Subs Cartwright , Holohan, Pyke, Khan, Gnahoua,Hunt,Maher

Good line up. Who knows what formation he's setting us up with.
If its the usual 4231 I hope it's Rose in the hole tight behind Wilson

Looks like 4-3-3 to me

Yeah surely just Wilson in for Khan on the right?

Quoted from lukeo

Good line up. Who knows what formation he's setting us up with.
If its the usual 4231 I hope it's Rose in the hole tight behind Wilson

More likely Wikson on the right .

Wishful thinking though. Not seen much of him but Wilson looks very good central

It's good to see Wilson start but no left back ( Amos & Glennon ) on the bench. The defence subs look light with only Maher so lets hope he's not needed, apart from a tactical sub.

Or... could Clifton be left wing back 532?

I’m hoping 442. Clifton and Eisa out wide. Wilson and Rose up top

Quoted from DB

It's good to see Wilson start but no left back ( Amos & Glennon ) on the bench. The defence subs look light with only Maher so lets hope he's not needed, apart from a tactical sub.

Could switch it to a back 3 or Maher is left sided so could drop in...or Clifton can cover in emergency. Its attack we need to work on.

Would be nice to see us line up 4-4-2.

Quoted from 123614

Would be nice to see us line up 4-4-2.

Welcome to 1989!

Quoted from 123614

Would be nice to see us line up 4-4-2.

And to have AB as manager.

Not going to happen.

Its prob going to be the usual 1 up front but Wilson or Rose out wide.

Quoted from moosey_club

Could switch it to a back 3 or Maher is left sided so could drop in...or Clifton can cover in emergency. Its attack we need to work on.

We’ve conceded 7, many preventable, in our last 3 games. No disputing we need to improve our attack, but there’s no shortage of evidence that we have work to do at the back as well.

Would be happier with Maher in the back line and Rodgers right sided centre back, where he is more comfortable, but I guess Maher is being eased back in.

Agree

Looks a bit stronger now. Maher will work his way back very soon. Just need to sort left back out Jo

Quoted from Heisenberg

Welcome to 1989!

Or 2023 as it turns out, surprisingly.

Nice to see us playing a 4-4-2!

Neither left back starting or even in the squad. You’ve got to imagine there will be at least one new left back in January?

Quoted from DB

It's good to see Wilson start but no left back ( Amos & Glennon ) on the bench. The defence subs look light with only Maher so lets hope he's not needed, apart from a tactical sub.

Amiss is injured Dave and Glennon has urine infection ( he is drunk off  )
                                 ....                           .......                                      Joke sorry !!

Quoted from grimsby pete

Amiss is injured Dave and Glennon has urine infection ( he is drunk off  )
                                 ....                           .......                                      Joke sorry !!

Thanks Pete I didn't know.

Town Fans sound in good voice.

How is their keeper murdering Wilson a free kick to them? Nonsense

Embarrassing defending yet again, but aided by a referee who had town down to 10 men and wouldn't let Wilson back on the pitch after he'd been assaulted by the tranmere keeper

FFS. Unmarked man in the box once again.

Who said we need to tighten up defensively?

Awful awful defending

How the hell did Tranmere get a free kick when their keeper flattened Wilson, giving them possession and leading to the goal?

Quoted from Chrisblor

How is their keeper murdering Wilson a free kick to them? Nonsense

Because Wilson didn't challenge for the ball and ran into the Goalkeeper who was in the air heading the ball.

Here we go

Through Eastwoods legs another silly goal to give away, not helped by the wayward defence.

Defence ball watching. Flipping awful.

I've lost the video and sky sports is saying  0 0

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Because Wilson didn't challenge for the ball and ran into the Goalkeeper who was in the air heading the ball.

Rubbish. Wilson had his eyes on the dropping ball and the keeper took him out. Should have been at least a booking for the keeper and our free kick.

Quoted from lukeo

I've lost the video and sky sports is saying  0 0

Well it isnt

Quoted from Chrisblor

Embarrassing defending yet again, but aided by a referee who had town down to 10 men and wouldn't let Wilson back on the pitch after he'd been assaulted by the tranmere keeper

Aye but no excuse for that defending

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Because Wilson didn't challenge for the ball and ran into the Goalkeeper who was in the air heading the ball.

Sorry, it's irrelevant if their keeper got to the ball first, he endangered an opponent by jumping into him at full force with his follow through and knew exactly what he was doing. Ludicrous that we're the ones punished and forced down to 10 as a result. Their keeper should have been booked

Quoted from Chrisblor

Sorry, it's irrelevant if their keeper got to the ball first, he endangered an opponent by jumping into him at full force with his follow through and knew exactly what he was doing. Ludicrous that we're the ones punished and forced down to 10 as a result. Their keeper should have been booked

If it had been our keeper no doubt he would have been sent-off.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Rubbish. Wilson had his eyes on the dropping ball and the keeper took him out. Should have been at least a booking for the keeper and our free kick.

Yeah Wilson was watching the ball, not challenging for the ball as he ran into the keeper who was already in the air heading the ball. It's really not complicated why the free kick was given. There no intent, but Wilson cleaned out the keeper.

Lovely play with Wilson and Eisa. Well done Rosey

Get in. Lovely finish from Rose that.

Justice after a free kick that shouldn't have been leading to their goal.

Brilliant goal from Rose 1-1

Pyke on for Wilson

Ffs. Another Injury

Wilson crocked again, disastrous for us as it looks muscular so that'll be him out for weeks at minimum

Really think Hurst should’ve gone and looked for a clinical striker 🙄

Quoted from aldi_01

Really think Hurst should’ve gone and looked for a clinical striker 🙄

He did find one that is constantly in clinic though.

Quoted from Kris2

He did find one that is constantly in clinic though.

I know, but Rose is most definitely clinical…

Wilson wasn't happy in the warm up so it was a gamble to start him but God we seem unlucky with injuries.

Brilliant goal from Rose 1-1

If Wilson was not right in the warm up ,Why the hell was he allowed to start ?

Bottom of the league Sutton 4 up in 37 minutes against Walsall
How??

Quoted from denni266

If Wilson was not right in the warm up ,Why the hell was he allowed to start ?

If he starts and gets injured, Hurst gets questioned

If he doesn't start and Hurst says he wants to ease him back from injury, Hurst also gets questioned for not playing the in form striker

He can't win

Wilson certainly didn't look too good as they went down the tunnel just before the start, he seemed to be having a late fitness test so clearly felt something in the warm up? So it was a gamble to start him, I just hope he isn't out for too long with this latest knock as he does seem to offer something different in the little we've seen of him, a fit Wilson woild be an asset I feel on what we've seen so far

Get in Pyke!!!

What a finish Pyke, keeper had no chance

Great goal by Pyke.

Enjoying Matt Dean's 'turtle neck' observations.

PYKEEEEEEE!!!

Pyke causing panic in the Tranmere box ...... get in

Sweet strike

Good bit of play, Pyke finally dug out his shooting boots for today

Pyke 2-1 up

Quoted from buckstown

Bottom of the league Sutton 4 up in 37 minutes against Walsall
How??

........ and Cheltenham finally score a goal

Ifollow on app has gone down. Gutted I've missed both goals

Quoted from MaccasBoots

If he starts and gets injured, Hurst gets questioned

If he doesn't start and Hurst says he wants to ease him back from injury, Hurst also gets questioned for not playing the in form striker

He can't win

Think you missed the point there.....If he wasnt right in the warm up  its not rocket science to guess he should not start .. It was not about weather Hurst would get the blame

As much as I have critisised Pyke in the past he took that goal very well..Nice to see him do a good job.

Quoted from lukeo

Ifollow on app has gone down. Gutted I've missed both goals

Mariners TV you mean? My stream has been good today.

Quoted from denni266

Think you missed the point there.....If he wasnt right in the warm up  its not rocket science to guess he should not start .. It was not about weather Hurst would get the blame

Wasn't disagreeing with you - was just saying that people on here and twitter would absolutely have given Hurst pelters if he didn't start Wilson

Pleased to be in front, two well taken goals from Rose and Pyke. How tight was the angle for Rose's

Slightly improve the passing and decision making in the final third and we could batter these

Knobheads on twitter posting "excrement guy finally scored" in response to Pyke's goal. I wonder how Rekeil would feel reading that? Sometimes I wonder if these tossers can even be called supporters

Quoted from MaccasBoots

Wasn't disagreeing with you - was just saying that people on here and twitter would absolutely have given Hurst pelters if he didn't start Wilson

Point taken  not a problem .  Not even i would have a go at hurst for not playing someone that is not right or fit

Quoted from denni266

It was not about weather Hurst would get the blame

It’s clear that your view is clouded

Very average 1st half of football.

We've scored 2 good goals for a change with out few  chances and conceded the usual poorly defended goal.

We're clearly on top since we scored our first.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

It’s clear that your view is clouded

Yer ok if you say so

Quoted from denni266

Yer ok if you say so

Well I got it  :)

Quoted from denni266

Think you missed the point there.....If he wasnt right in the warm up  its not rocket science to guess he should not start .. It was not about weather Hurst would get the blame

You've diagnosed him from a couple of hundred miles away?

Think the medical staff actually at the ground may just have a better idea, don't you think?

Quoted from denni266

Yer ok if you say so

Whhhhoooooooosssssshhhhhh

Quoted from promotion plaice

Well I got it  :)

Me too

Pyke had to score there. Bad miss

How did he miss

he didn't miss, it was saved

It was a good header but an incredible save . It happens

Feck. Cross from the left, header straight through Eastwood

FFS. Another cheap goal to concede, he had all the time in the world to pick that cross out.

Here we go

Where was the right back . Awful defence

Eastwood did stand a chance but where was the scorers marker?

Tranmere have changed their shape. We’ve not reacted at all

that was toooo close

Kahn getting ready to come on

Berrter up front but a shambles at the back  . Our defending is going to cost us dear  this season

The struggles of playing two strikers starting to show…

Quoted from It Bites

It was a good header but an incredible save . It happens

Not at all. Pyke had all the time to pick a corner but headed it straight in the middle of the goal. It was poor

Back to 451 after those changes I'm guessing

It’s there to be won and we take rose off

Well if we are counting on winning against teams below us  the chances are going to be slim.. Only 6 teams below us now  :(

Quoted from denni266

Berrter up front but a shambles at the back  . Our defending is going to cost us dear  this season

Is Bert Ter a new signing?

Quoted from denni266

Well if we are counting on winning against teams below us  the chances are going to be slim.. Only 6 teams below us now  :(

Oh give it a flipping rest man

This game is there for the taking but so much of what we do around the edge of their box is scrappy.

Anybody know the gate figure?

Quoted from Hagrid

Oh give it a flipping rest man

He can't help it as the thought of us losing gives him a massive stiffy. He's a Hurst-sexual and the thought of him being punished gets him going.

Quoted from Marinerdan

Is Bert Ter a new signing?

Ffs   lol

5968 (581)

Quoted from AdamHaddock

5968 (581)

Thank you, do have a source?

Quoted from DB

Thank you, do have a source?

Town twitter

Gnahoua on for Eisa, who has done well

Quoted from DB

Thank you, do have a source?

Just heard it on the tannoy, obviously I have a time delay.

2-2 FT

Thought we played well but our defence gifted them an undeserved draw.

We've got some drama queens supporting us. Back of the away end shouting "fukc off Hurst, out out out"

Quoted from AdamHaddock

We've got some drama queens supporting us. Back of the away end shouting "fukc off Hurst, out out out"

Hope someone shut the bellends up

Unlucky there but we were under the cosh for 15mins and we don't change anything till they equalise, its so frustrating

Same old same old isn't it. Score a couple goals, then throw it away conceding the same cheap goals we always concede

Thought we were pretty good there interesting Hurst did revert to 4-4-2 even when Wilson got injured with Pyke - Clifton looks so much more effective in that tucked in wide role .

Should have won there , but still a point better off than we should of been out of the Barrow & Tranmere games .

Should have won ,but we have a platform now and need to kick on with yet more so called weaker teams to come .

Pyke heads Clifton's cross anywhere else but straight at the keeper from 6 yards out and we go on to win that at a canter. Instead they go straight up the other end and score an identical chance to make it 2-2 and we spend the rest of the match floundering around creating very little other than one long distance effort from Eisa tipped round the post. Incredibly frustrating how mentally weak and flimsy this town side is. Maher can't get back to full fitness soon enough cos this Rodgers and Waterfall duo is hopeless.

Disappointing to lose a lead again, but another unbeaten game and 4 points in a week.

We have improved up front from last season and the forwards are doing the business, but we now find ourselves too porous at the back.

Maher is a miss when he's out. We looked much better at the back with Maher and Amos in the back four.

Quoted from AdamHaddock

We've got some drama queens supporting us. Back of the away end shouting "fukc off Hurst, out out out"

There is a group of so called supporters who will always blame the manager if we don't win the European Super League. Don't worry, they are toss*rs.

4 points in 2 games. That'll do.

Think that some town fans would back Mike Newell the way they speak like Hurst is the f×cking messiah. He's had a great chance of a budget this year and not used it wisely. As othered have mentioned we look so weak in the belly when we go ahead which is classic Hurst of settling for a 2-1 lead rather than going for 3 or 4. I'm not calling for him to be sacked whatsoever as he is a 'steady' pair of hands but won't be the manager to get us promoted out of this division.

Quoted from tarka

There is a group of so called supporters who will always blame the manager if we don't win the European Super League. Don't worry, they are toss*rs.

Shows ambition though 😉

Quoted from tarka

There is a group of so called supporters who will always blame the manager if we don't win the European Super League. Don't worry, they are toss*rs.

So who`s fault is it then ? Are we just about where we was when Hurst came back ?  What happened then ?  Cannot believe how so many just cannot smell the coffee  

Quoted from GtfcGarner

Think that some town fans would back Mike Newell the way they speak like Hurst is the f×cking messiah. He's had a great chance of a budget this year and not used it wisely. As othered have mentioned we look so weak in the belly when we go ahead which is classic Hurst of settling for a 2-1 lead rather than going for 3 or 4. I'm not calling for him to be sacked whatsoever as he is a 'steady' pair of hands but won't be the manager to get us promoted out of this division.

Would you like to repeat that in English please?

Quoted from GtfcGarner

Think that some town fans would back Mike Newell the way they speak like Hurst is the f×cking messiah. He's had a great chance of a budget this year and not used it wisely. As othered have mentioned we look so weak in the belly when we go ahead which is classic Hurst of settling for a 2-1 lead rather than going for 3 or 4. I'm not calling for him to be sacked whatsoever as he is a 'steady' pair of hands but won't be the manager to get us promoted out of this division.

Are you allright?

He kept 2 up top today and went for it. Pyke missed a glorious chance and it wasnt until we went back to a 1 up top that we got control of the game again.

What is confounding is that Hurst has built some excellent defences in the past. This year they're just hopeless.

Follow up a home win with an away draw is always fine by me

Quoted from denni266

So who`s fault is it then ? Are we just about where we was when Hurst came back ?  What happened then ?  Cannot believe how so many just cannot smell the coffee  

What on earth are you talking about?

Quoted from tarka

What on earth are you talking about?

We’re in a similar league position to where we were when Hurst took over. I don’t think it needed a translator.

Quoted from Hagrid

Are you allright?

He kept 2 up top today and went for it. Pyke missed a glorious chance and it wasnt until we went back to a 1 up top that we got control of the game again.

Jesus, over a dozen games into the season and he goes with 2 up front, may aswell call him the new Arrigo Sacchi. Football is a result business, not a game of if, buts or maybes. It's going to be another season of floating around mid-table, I'm aware alot of fans are very happy with that and content thinking that they owe Hurst something (and I don't know why). Won't get relegated under Hurst, but nor will we get promoted out of this division.

Frustrating not to win. We were cruising to a 2-1 win, Pyke has a chance to wrap it up from 6 yards but heads straight at the keeper. Then they go up the other end and score. Eisa had a shot deflected just wide. Granted we should have won but the reaction from a minority at the end was ridiculous.

Quoted from denni266

So who`s fault is it then ? Are we just about where we was when Hurst came back ?  What happened then ?  Cannot believe how so many just cannot smell the coffee  

Thank goodness that we have your superior nasal power to sniff out these helpful expert insights Denni.

Otherwise we would be thinking that a win last week and an away draw today were great. And that promotion and the Cup run were fantastic, and that it's OK to enjoy watching Town.

Enjoy your Starbucks.

Quoted from denni266

So who`s fault is it then ? Are we just about where we was when Hurst came back ?  What happened then ?  Cannot believe how so many just cannot smell the coffee  

[quote=1770]


Thank goodness that we have your superior nasal power to sniff out these helpful expert insights Denni.

Otherwise we would be thinking that a win last week and an away draw today were great. And that promotion and the Cup run were fantastic, and that it's OK to enjoy watching Town.

Enjoy your Starbucks.

I can be Hursts and the teams harshest critic, but I left that game dumbfounded with some of the boos at the end of the match. I thought it was an entertaining game with a much better performance than Tuesday.  There wasn’t a great deal to separate the two teams and a draw was a fair result. I guess some people will be on Hursts and the teams back whatever!

Another game we should have won but 4 points in a week is always a good thing.  I agree with the comment above, there’s a decent portion of the fan base who will never be fully behind Hurst, I will never be able to fathom it but everybody’s allowed an opinion.  Scrolling through Twitter in the second half today,  half of the tweets lambasting PH for not making changes, others having a go because he had - you can’t win.

I personally think we look much better with 3 in midfield,  on current form it would be Conteh, Holohan and Andrews. IMO that shape brings the best out of Conteh and Eisa who can be our difference makers.  I don’t buy into the argument that we’re too defensive in that shape, I actually think we create more.

Thought we played well today and created some good chances. They've scored 2 goals from very little.

Have to say although I think Pyke should have definitely scored a 2nd he appears to not be excrement.

Impressed with Andrews a bit deeper but get him off the free kicks and corners. Woeful.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

We’re in a similar league position to where we were when Hurst took over. I don’t think it needed a translator.

And??

A decent result and we have turned the tide. I think we will be up around the playoffs by the end of November and the moaners will be silenced. Paul Hursts black and white army
Utm

It was certainly a better performance than Tuesday. The team seem to have some confidence back and as mentioned above we have turned a corner.

I hope the distraction of playing Bradford in that cup match on Tuesday does not distract the team from this increase in performance. Tuesday is a pointless game as we are already out of this Mickey Mouse competition, but have to fulfil a fixture, and bring on the youth team.

Quoted from GtfcGarner

Think that some town fans would back Mike Newell the way they speak like Hurst is the f×cking messiah. He's had a great chance of a budget this year and not used it wisely. As othered have mentioned we look so weak in the belly when we go ahead which is classic Hurst of settling for a 2-1 lead rather than going for 3 or 4. I'm not calling for him to be sacked whatsoever as he is a 'steady' pair of hands but won't be the manager to get us promoted out of this division.

Not the managers fault when striker misses absolute sitter to wrap game up , some fans wont be happy till he gone so who do you want instead

Quoted from Zmariner

A decent result and we have turned the tide. I think we will be up around the playoffs by the end of November and the moaners will be silenced. Paul Hursts black and white army
Utm

That may be a smidge optimistic, but yes the doom mongering is uncalled for

Quoted from barralad

And??

And what? We’re in a similar league position to where we were when Hurst took over.

Quoted from GtfcGarner

Think that some town fans would back Mike Newell the way they speak like Hurst is the f×cking messiah. He's had a great chance of a budget this year and not used it wisely. As othered have mentioned we look so weak in the belly when we go ahead which is classic Hurst of settling for a 2-1 lead rather than going for 3 or 4. I'm not calling for him to be sacked whatsoever as he is a 'steady' pair of hands but won't be the manager to get us promoted out of this division.

And you know that how?

Quoted from fishcake63

Not the managers fault when striker misses absolute sitter to wrap game up , some fans wont be happy till he gone so who do you want instead

Guess the manager is a genius then when Eisa scores worldies to win us games. You can spin the coin on both heads, we will be nothing other than a mid-table team under Hurst which alot of people seem happy with.

Me myself I'm not and feel like we can actually capitalise on what we have at the minute, Notts County are taking the p!ss scoring at a canter every week in the division according to some peoples 'settling time'. Not calling for the managers head at all just saying that we are standing still while Hurst is at the helm, a very steady Eddie but not the man to propel and push a football club to where they need to be.

Quoted from denni266

Well if we are counting on winning against teams below us  the chances are going to be slim.. Only 6 teams below us now  :(

There's a whole world beyond the end of your nose, if only you could see it.

Quoted from heppy88

I can be Hursts and the teams harshest critic, but I left that game dumbfounded with some of the boos at the end of the match. I thought it was an entertaining game with a much better performance than Tuesday.  There wasn’t a great deal to separate the two teams and a draw was a fair result. I guess some people will be on Hursts and the teams back whatever!

I was  behind some of them that booed the team at the end. There mostly just kids and judging by there ongoing commentary throughout the game they havent got much going on upstairs. Ignore them

Quoted from lukeo

4 points in 2 games. That'll do.

Promotion form.

Quoted from GtfcGarner

Think that some town fans would back Mike Newell the way they speak like Hurst is the f×cking messiah. He's had a great chance of a budget this year and not used it wisely. As othered have mentioned we look so weak in the belly when we go ahead which is classic Hurst of settling for a 2-1 lead rather than going for 3 or 4. I'm not calling for him to be sacked whatsoever as he is a 'steady' pair of hands but won't be the manager to get us promoted out of this division.

Y3s he will.

Quoted from GtfcGarner

Guess the manager is a genius then when Eisa scores worldies to win us games. You can spin the coin on both heads, we will be nothing other than a mid-table team under Hurst which alot of people seem happy with.

Me myself I'm not and feel like we can actually capitalise on what we have at the minute, Notts County are taking the p!ss scoring at a canter every week in the division according to some peoples 'settling time'. Not calling for the managers head at all just saying that we are standing still while Hurst is at the helm, a very steady Eddie but not the man to propel and push a football club to where they need to be.

I don’t see us as anything better than mid table at best. There’s too many positions where our second option isn’t good enough. That’s down to the manager and the recruitment. I firmly believe that there comes a time when a manager reaches his ceiling and I think we’re nearing that stage. That’s not a judgement on this week’s results but we don’t seem to win when we play decent and we still don’t seem to be able to settle on a plan.

Quoted from ancientmariner54

There's a whole world beyond the end of your nose, if only you could see it.

Not much to look at below us is there.. But dont let that worry you

We lost Wilson early and Hurst stuck with 2 strikers. Pyke scored. Aggressive.

Those that pushed for us to go two strikers, Hurst did when he had Wilson and Rose fit. They'll bash him for something he cannot control as if other managers can make Wilson play on 1 leg and score.

Fans said we got more of a foot in with 5 in mid today eventually. Despite many bashing him for favouring 5 usually. Hurst cannot win with some. There is no winning. They just don't like Hurst. They want to Chelsea or Watford this and spend money on manager compensation, rather than player budget. Ironically, they say fans that want to stick are lacking in ambition.

Hopefully Wilson is OK, and we have a bit of depth in midfield and attack going forward for a less horrific run of games. 4 points in 2 games. I'll take that.

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

We lost Wilson early and Hurst stuck with 2 strikers. Pyke scored. Aggressive.

Those that pushed for us to go two strikers, Hurst did when he had Wilson and Rose fit. They'll bash him for something he cannot control as if other managers can make Wilson play on 1 leg and score.

Fans said we got more of a foot in with 5 in mid today eventually. Despite many bashing him for favouring 5 usually. Hurst cannot win with some. There is no winning. They just don't like Hurst. They want to Chelsea or Watford this and spend money on manager compensation, rather than player budget. Ironically, they say fans that want to stick are lacking in ambition.

Hopefully Wilson is OK, and we have a bit of depth in midfield and attack going forward for a less horrific run of games. 4 points in 2 games. I'll take that.

I don't think it's as straightforward as you suggest. I get that there are some that have no basis to some of their criticisms, but for most objective people who are willing to criticise PH for certain things, they perhaps want to see him doing the right things at the right time.

You seem like the most pro-PH poster this forum has ever seen, but in my opinion the ridiculing of those who do offer some criticisms of the management team is a bit unnecessary and can be just as harmful (in terms of not being objective/balanced) as those who do just blindly criticise.

I'm not a "Hurst-out" type, nor do I think the sun shines out of his bottom, but some posters raise valid points of critique and in wanting more.

Quoted from Tommy

I don't think it's as straightforward as you suggest. I get that there are some that have no basis to some of their criticisms, but for most objective people who are willing to criticise PH for certain things, they perhaps want to see him doing the right things at the right time.

You seem like the most pro-PH poster this forum has ever seen, but in my opinion the ridiculing of those who do offer some criticisms of the management team is a bit unnecessary and can be just as harmful (in terms of not being objective/balanced) as those who do just blindly criticise.

I'm not a "Hurst-out" type, nor do I think the sun shines out of his bottom, but some posters raise valid points of critique and in wanting more.

You suggest this as if it says something about me. It says more about The Fishy. Some great people here, but it is a wee bit reactionary. We go from the worst team in the world, to the best based on any one performance. I used to lurk here during the conference season, and during that run, I cannot remember anyone here wanting to keep with Hurst. I steered clear. I remembered how he'd got something out of the abysmal squad from the season before, and got some good players who could play. Form wasn't great, but every team goes through bad runs. At that time, I thought it was insane people wanted rid of a manager who had got us out of the conference, turned the team around from the year before and made us competitively and had previously kept Shrewsbury in the play-offs. IMO, he had all the attributes of a manager that can bring success. He can find good players, turn faltering players around, get a team competing. Get them defending better. He can bring improve younger players etc. My view on him hasn't changed, and I think he's probably a victim of his own early success (getting us straight back up, and having a great start last year in league 2). I don't forget the absolute shite we've had as we've plummeted down the leagues and eventually fell out of it. I don't forget the absolute dross we've had management wise, consistently for 2 decades. When I see we've probably had our best manager in 2 decades, and fans are trying to push it out the door, it's insane. Unless you're rich, the best way to succeed, is to pick a manager who has good attributes, support them and give them time to fix the issues within the team. The team has been an improvement year on year, and that is the only way we're getting out of league 2. Unless there is some Hollywood actors who want to invest in Lincolnshire's finest.

Does Hurst always get it right? No. Can he see the issues, and communicate that? Yes. Does he work on it and try to address it? Yes. When players aren't performing, he will talk to them, and often take them out of it so they can work on it, while a squad member gets a shot. I'm pretty confident we are going to get some form together coming up, and Wilson's fitness will play a part in it, but even then, Pyke is starting to find a bit of confidence now. That finish was a belter. (I'll get a few downvotes for saying something positive about Pyke. I previously said he could come good, but would need time, and I'm hoping today is the start of that.)

I'm not ridiculing those with valid criticisms. I picking up on those that only have criticisms. Game after game, only looking for reasons to be negative. That isn't supporting a team. If they want perfection, Man City is on the TV.

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

You suggest this as if it says something about me. It says more about The Fishy. Some great people here, but it is a wee bit reactionary. We go from the worst team in the world, to the best based on any one performance. I used to lurk here during the conference season, and during that run, I cannot remember anyone here wanting to keep with Hurst. I steered clear. I remembered how he'd got something out of the abysmal squad from the season before, and got some good players who could play. Form wasn't great, but every team goes through bad runs. At that time, I thought it was insane people wanted rid of a manager who had got us out of the conference, turned the team around from the year before and made us competitively and had previously kept Shrewsbury in the play-offs. IMO, he had all the attributes of a manager that can bring success. He can find good players, turn faltering players around, get a team competing. Get them defending better. He can bring improve younger players etc. My view on him hasn't changed, and I think he's probably a victim of his own early success (getting us straight back up, and having a great start last year in league 2). I don't forget the absolute shite we've had as we've plummeted down the leagues and eventually fell out of it. I don't forget the absolute dross we've had management wise, consistently for 2 decades. When I see we've probably had our best manager in 2 decades, and fans are trying to push it out the door, it's insane. Unless you're rich, the best way to succeed, is to pick a manager who has good attributes, support them and give them time to fix the issues within the team. The team has been an improvement year on year, and that is the only way we're getting out of league 2. Unless there is some Hollywood actors who want to invest in Lincolnshire's finest.

Does Hurst always get it right? No. Can he see the issues, and communicate that? Yes. Does he work on it and try to address it? Yes. When players aren't performing, he will talk to them, and often take them out of it so they can work on it, while a squad member gets a shot. I'm pretty confident we are going to get some form together coming up, and Wilson's fitness will play a part in it, but even then, Pyke is starting to find a bit of confidence now. That finish was a belter. (I'll get a few downvotes for saying something positive about Pyke. I previously said he could come good, but would need time, and I'm hoping today is the start of that.)

I'm not ridiculing those with valid criticisms. I picking up on those that only have criticisms. Game after game, only looking for reasons to be negative. That isn't supporting a team. If they want perfection, Man City is on the TV.

Don’t worry. A few more posts of eulogistic optimism from your keyboard and we will be convinced that Paul Hurst is the second coming of the Messiah!

Back in the real world, it’s not quite as easy as ‘seeing some good form coming up’. We’re a mid table team with a mid table setup, largely inconsistent playing pretty dull and uninspiring football.

In reality, that’s where we are. Not bad but not good enough.

The problem is Ancient you are over enthusiastic with Hirst (yes his paintings are good ) .

But Hurst as a manager is not great , but a good manager lower down .

I like him as a manager , but feel to move forward substantially in the next few years we need a change , yes he will keep us in league 2 and we might touch 7th once if he gets the team performing at some point .

It's not reactionary , just an outlook based on a 10 year spell - I just think Hurst's tenure has run it's course - I have stated many times I think he's a good , solid lower league manager who has done well at Town in the main . Pettit & Stockwood have not even made an appointment yet , but I think some's unwillingness for change is down to our former leaders long list of disastrous appointments barring Hurst .

This over confidence that you have in him , for me is wearing thin - yes I know he raised a million quid which meant Pettit & Stockwood didn't need to prop up as much of a shortfall.

But we need to beating Tranmere away , they are awful .

Funnily enough, it does it not surprise me that MuddyWaters and Mappers responded to me....

I must have agitated a few of the frequent doom mongers ;). Obviously not on denni's level, but not far off.

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But we need to beating Tranmere away , they are awful .

The beat Bradford the other day, which got Hughes the bullet. Can't be that terrible.

I wouldn't underestimate the effect of Madkins doing something to improve them. He talks a lot, but has a good record.

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Don’t worry. A few more posts of eulogistic optimism from your keyboard and we will be convinced that Paul Hurst is the second coming of the Messiah!

Back in the real world, it’s not quite as easy as ‘seeing some good form coming up’. We’re a mid table team with a mid table setup, largely inconsistent playing pretty dull and uninspiring football.

In reality, that’s where we are. Not bad but not good enough.

You were much more fun as Old Codger.  ;)

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

Funnily enough, it does it not surprise me that MuddyWaters and Mappers responded to me....

I must have agitated a few of the frequent doom mongers ;). Obviously not on denni's level, but not far off.

Christ mate I have watched a  team that was 'punching above it's weight ' for 5 years even in the back end of the 90's and early 2000's  then gradually declined into the oblivion of division 4 & 5 .With you seemingly telling us to keep 'us shape'


I'm not a  'doom monger' at all , my opinion has just changed somewhat after 10 years of seeing the same thing , I don't think it's unreasonable to ask for back to back wins against 2nd bottom after tucking up a decent team the game before , which we were lucky to win , very lucky . .

It's a forum ,we are all entitled to our opinion - mine is we are still not going anywhere fast and will have a mish mash season and finish anywhere from 10th to 16th - I would be very suprised if i'm wrong on that front .

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

You suggest this as if it says something about me. It says more about The Fishy. Some great people here, but it is a wee bit reactionary. We go from the worst team in the world, to the best based on any one performance. I used to lurk here during the conference season, and during that run, I cannot remember anyone here wanting to keep with Hurst. I steered clear. I remembered how he'd got something out of the abysmal squad from the season before, and got some good players who could play. Form wasn't great, but every team goes through bad runs. At that time, I thought it was insane people wanted rid of a manager who had got us out of the conference, turned the team around from the year before and made us competitively and had previously kept Shrewsbury in the play-offs. IMO, he had all the attributes of a manager that can bring success. He can find good players, turn faltering players around, get a team competing. Get them defending better. He can bring improve younger players etc. My view on him hasn't changed, and I think he's probably a victim of his own early success (getting us straight back up, and having a great start last year in league 2). I don't forget the absolute shite we've had as we've plummeted down the leagues and eventually fell out of it. I don't forget the absolute dross we've had management wise, consistently for 2 decades. When I see we've probably had our best manager in 2 decades, and fans are trying to push it out the door, it's insane. Unless you're rich, the best way to succeed, is to pick a manager who has good attributes, support them and give them time to fix the issues within the team. The team has been an improvement year on year, and that is the only way we're getting out of league 2. Unless there is some Hollywood actors who want to invest in Lincolnshire's finest.

Does Hurst always get it right? No. Can he see the issues, and communicate that? Yes. Does he work on it and try to address it? Yes. When players aren't performing, he will talk to them, and often take them out of it so they can work on it, while a squad member gets a shot. I'm pretty confident we are going to get some form together coming up, and Wilson's fitness will play a part in it, but even then, Pyke is starting to find a bit of confidence now. That finish was a belter. (I'll get a few downvotes for saying something positive about Pyke. I previously said he could come good, but would need time, and I'm hoping today is the start of that.)

I'm not ridiculing those with valid criticisms. I picking up on those that only have criticisms. Game after game, only looking for reasons to be negative. That isn't supporting a team. If they want perfection, Man City is on the TV.

For frigs sake, it's a football forum. no different than any other teams forum. There are a number on the Tranmere forum today slagging off some players and the manager and saying they played crap.

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The beat Bradford the other day, which got Hughes the bullet. Can't be that terrible.

I wouldn't underestimate the effect of Madkins doing something to improve them. He talks a lot, but has a good record.

Yesterday we looked far better than them though I thought , that's the issue for me  - we look far better than a lot of teams but seem to draw or lose when we do .
Who's looked better than us - Mansfield , Notts , Barrow and Wrexham ; all the rest we could or should have won really .

I liked that we went back to Hurst's tried and trusted formation yesterday , maybe we can have a run with that now ?

Quoted from AncientExiledMariner

Funnily enough, it does it not surprise me that MuddyWaters and Mappers responded to me....

I must have agitated a few of the frequent doom mongers ;). Obviously not on denni's level, but not far off.

We are not doom mongers  , Just see things as they are . Looking through many posts and the majority of fans are moaning and not happy, not just a few.