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Quoted from GrimRob

Always was a bit of a security problem. Thousands of people turning up at a predictable time and place and parting with huge amounts of used banknotes. Although I can't recall armed robbery at any football club. A large crowd to melt into. No cash - nothing to steal.

While I was working for a local firm, a Irish guy bought a second hand truck and paid 40K cash, had to count it and then take to the bank in Victoria Street on my own, a couple days later he returned a puchased another truck for £50K in cash, thinking about it probably money laundering for the IRA.
Would not get away it these days, cannot pay £10 cash into son's account, got to be a paper trail, the only way I could do it was to pay the £10 into my account and then cashier transfer into his account.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Thought you were talking about Glanford Park. ;D ;D ;D

That would be fanless stadium

Nothing says “I’m a dodgy illegitimate” like being against cashless venues.

Whilst I embrace cashless and use my phone for pretty much everything now, there are still a number of people generally old who can’t get their heads round it. There pretty much needs to be a cash option to ensure people are on disenfranchised.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Whilst I embrace cashless and use my phone for pretty much everything now, there are still a number of people generally old who can’t get their heads round it. There pretty much needs to be a cash option to ensure people are on disenfranchised.

This is going to sound harsh but if they cannot get their head around cashless (basically tapping a card to pay for things) then they shouldn't be carrying around physical money. Cashless is absolutely a simpler method of payment.

Cashless plays..or rather "pays" into the hands of business.
Whilst we are all responsible for our own budgeting it is so easy to spend more than you anticipate/budget for/ can afford when you don't physically hand over your cash.

With cash, once you have spent it....you spend no more...with a card...you can just tap tap tap beyond your means.

Quoted from moosey_club

Cashless plays..or rather "pays" into the hands of business.
Whilst we are all responsible for our own budgeting it is so easy to spend more than you anticipate/budget for/ can afford when you don't physically hand over your cash.

With cash, once you have spent it....you spend no more...with a card...you can just tap tap tap beyond your means.

Cashless pays into the hands of banks. Cash paid for the development of our country because the government created and sold it. Virtual money is created by banks and is just a way for bankers to become rich whilst we all apathetically sit at home complaining about them.

If everybody decided to use cash and bin off their credit cards, we'd have some money to fix the NHS and other public services.

Quoted from pen penfras

Cashless pays into the hands of banks. Cash paid for the development of our country because the government created and sold it. Virtual money is created by banks and is just a way for bankers to become rich whilst we all apathetically sit at home complaining about them.

If everybody decided to use cash and bin off their credit cards, we'd have some money to fix the NHS and other public services.

What?

Quoted from ska face

What?

If you have any interest in the economy and how broken the system is, I recommend you watch this documentary [url]https://m.imdb.com/title/tt2145874/[/url]

It explains how money works and how control and power has shifted to the banks from government. Whilst we all sit at home watching the rich get richer whilst the cost for us to buy a home has gone from 2x annual earnings to nearly 6x and 40 year mortgages are now a thing.

The whole system needs to change, but because nobody understands how it actually works, we just get a new credit card to buy the latest gadget and feed the broken system.

Quoted from pizzzza

This is going to sound harsh but if they cannot get their head around cashless (basically tapping a card to pay for things) then they shouldn't be carrying around physical money. Cashless is absolutely a simpler method of payment.

As i am mature socially awkward person I carry both
1. When i pop into "Mo's" grab a bit of shopping
I use cash to test the young girl on the till as it takes a little bit
longer too.
2. Pop in the pub on the way home use cash so when it runs out
I go home happy content with myself and not
To inebriated ..use card get carried away.
Me i just like to carry both cover all options
And always ask what an establishment prefers
Making sure the price list on the wall tallys up to what you are
Paying for !!
UTM

Cashless I've seen it when a card machine at a busy venue breaks down/loses signal it's a nightmare and the whole system fails.....cash is king

People should always have a choice wether to use cash or card, forcing people to use card is just another way of control.

Where do cheques come into this?

I got some postal orders for a birthday back in 92, I was hoping to use them one away day, guess it’s not Mansfield away then…

Quoted from Blundellite

Cashless I've seen it when a card machine at a busy venue breaks down/loses signal it's a nightmare and the whole system fails.....cash is king

Also,

Every home needs a landline
Vinyl records are best
Avocado green is the only acceptable colour for a bathroom
Wranglers are the height of fashion
The Bee Gees are are an exciting young band with a big future ahead of them

Quoted from GrimRob

Always was a bit of a security problem. Thousands of people turning up at a predictable time and place and parting with huge amounts of used banknotes. Although I can't recall armed robbery at any football club. A large crowd to melt into. No cash - nothing to steal.

So, in 150 years or so there has never been an armed robbery at a football match (or rugby etc) but now cash turnstiles are a risk?

Have you considered applying for a job with the Daily Mail or developing strategy for the current government Rob?

I haven't carried any cash for several years now. I have a credit card but don't use it. I buy everything with my debit card online, suits me perfectly as I am pretty much housebound.

It's called progress, and it identifies you to whoever's interested ie, where you've been, what you've spent, what you've bought etc. a big help in solving crime.
Downside is if you lose it as against losing money it's inconvenient to replace

Quoted from pizzzza

This is going to sound harsh but if they cannot get their head around cashless (basically tapping a card to pay for things) then they shouldn't be carrying around physical money. Cashless is absolutely a simpler method of payment.

You’re right, it sounds extremely harsh and indeed a bit pompous.

Quoted from Garth

It's called progress, and it identifies you to whoever's interested ie, where you've been, what you've spent, what you've bought etc. a big help in solving crime.
Downside is if you lose it as against losing money it's inconvenient to replace

You've only described technological progress there. The ability to transact whether cash, card or commodity, is a key cornerstone of human freedom. Wait until the CBDC kicks in along with the WHO and UN taking over every aspect of your life and you'll start to regret (very quickly) the meek acceptance of convenience in the march towards a cashless and QR code for everything society. Have the public ever had a vote on these sorts of things? The answer is no, and will always be no..

Quoted from pen penfras

Cashless pays into the hands of banks. Cash paid for the development of our country because the government created and sold it. Virtual money is created by banks and is just a way for bankers to become rich whilst we all apathetically sit at home complaining about them.

If everybody decided to use cash and bin off their credit cards, we'd have some money to fix the NHS and other public services.

What are you talking about? All money that isn't cash is credit? News to me.

Many seem happy with this cashless society were drifting towards but I'm an old cynic and trust no one.
Ignoring the fact that the days giving the grandchildren a fiver in their hands when they come to visit or dropping a pound in the tin of a homeless person or charity collector will be gone, I can see sinister implications in the future.
Who's to say your cards can't be declined if you've bought too much petrol, alcohol, junk food etc.
These lockdowns have given us a taste of how we can be controlled and given others an idea of how compliant we can all be.
I look at it from all sides. Of course I use my cards when I choose and I also use cash when I choose, thats the whole point, choice.
But when I look and think I just see the thin end of the wedge getting thicker.

There's a friend of a friend on Facebook who seems quite concerned about this although he's also very into chem trails in the sky, the deep state and all the 'cultural marxists taking over', he's even been railing against the cruelty of guide dogs.

I'm not fussed myself. I have my debit card and a twenty note in my wallet at all times. Haven't gone as far as having some sort of payment app on my phone as yet but we'll see.

Quoted from elduderinoUTM

What are you talking about? All money that isn't cash is credit? News to me.

Rather than make uninformed, sarcastic comments, watch 97% owned that I mentioned before. If you watch that and understand how the economy actually works, you'll understand what I'm saying and that actually, the answer to your question is technically yes.

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

There's a friend of a friend on Facebook who seems quite concerned about this although he's also very into chem trails in the sky, the deep state and all the 'cultural marxists taking over', he's even been railing against the cruelty of guide dogs.

I'm not fussed myself. I have my debit card and a twenty note in my wallet at all times. Haven't gone as far as having some sort of payment app on my phone as yet but we'll see.

Yes, I blame the guide dogs..

Admin this is now non footy!!!

Christ. Somebody mentioned the WHO in the same sentence as controlling lives. I didn't realise we were in that whacky part of the Internet. We'll be getting told that the UN is coming for our golf courses next.

Here's a link to an article published by the Bank of England which back in 2014 which explains how money is created in a fiat currency such as Sterling:

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/quarterly-bulletin/2014/q1/money-creation-in-the-modern-economy

The banks create a lot of money through loans and mortgages, because the UK government (which owns the Bank of England, of course) grants them a licence to do so. The rest is spent into existence by the government. Sterling is functionally nothing more than UK government debt.

Whenever you hear a politician (of any stripe) talk about the country not being able to afford something, they are either ignorant or lying. The government can spend what it wants on anything it wants as long as it is Sterling which is being spent. The money is spent into existence from thin air. Whether that is a good idea or not depends on what it is being spent on. If you ever hear a politician talking about "tax-payers' money", they are similarly either lying or ignorant (usually the latter).

There are good reasons to have cash and it was expected to be around for many more years before everything became digital, but the pandemic caused a big shift and it has shown people just how easy cashless society can be. For those who struggle with money, it would be ideal if, instead of a card, you had something like a 'money stick' or something similar which had a readout to show you your balance and what had been spent. Phone apps can do this to some degree, but it's not ideal and, if of course, the poorest in society may struggle to be able to afford a phone or even get a bank account set up.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Many seem happy with this cashless society were drifting towards but I'm an old cynic and trust no one.
Ignoring the fact that the days giving the grandchildren a fiver in their hands when they come to visit or dropping a pound in the tin of a homeless person or charity collector will be gone, I can see sinister implications in the future.
Who's to say your cards can't be declined if you've bought too much petrol, alcohol, junk food etc.
These lockdowns have given us a taste of how we can be controlled and given others an idea of how compliant we can all be.
I look at it from all sides. Of course I use my cards when I choose and I also use cash when I choose, thats the whole point, choice.
But when I look and think I just see the thin end of the wedge getting thicker.

Spot On,

And to add to what Pen was saying about Companies/Banks making money. Friday wife decided to pick up paint for the bathroom to be done today. Checked website local DIY mega company had it in and decided to do the old click and collect (In case it gets sold)and I would pick it up this morning, but having put in the requirements it said would you like free delivery of your items tomorrow am, as your spending over £100. So she said yes please completed the payment stuff and immediately received an email/text whatever to say they can deliver some of the goods but the paint wont be available till Weds. Obviously she cancelled the order, but although the money left her a/c the minute she said YES, she will have to wait at least 5 working days for a refund. Nice little earner for the company. Big business and banks are taking us for chumps and it will only get worse.

I agree with you there. When you buy they take the cash out of your account immediately, but when you want a refund it takes them days even when it's their error. "Sorry" is 5 letters and meaningless in today's business world.

Quoted from DB

I agree with you there. When you buy they take the cash out of your account immediately, but when you want a refund it takes them days even when it's their error. "Sorry" is 5 letters and meaningless in today's business world.

Same with a cash refund, instant but anything else it’s a bureaucratic nightmare.

I get the part that it’s safer for business to hold less cash on their premises, but, without the need for cash, there isn’t a real need for banks on the high st anymore is there? Likewise company's and businesses that rely on cash (window cleaners, street vendors, Latvian car wash etc) are then having to maybe bow down to the high and mighty and HAVE to use other forms of payment

Quoted from DB

I agree with you there. When you buy they take the cash out of your account immediately, but when you want a refund it takes them days even when it's their error. "Sorry" is 5 letters and meaningless in today's business world.

Not to defend dodgy companies, but that's just a function of how the banking system works. Payments from customers are taken immediately and the funds are transferred to the seller by the end of the day. On the other hand, refunds from retailers may be processed immediately (and are the deducted from their balance by the end of the day), but often take a few days thereafter to actually be refunded to the customer. Necessary checks, supposedly, though I'm not sure why immediate payments can be taken but immediate refunds aren't possible!

What happens when the banks close your account down if you disagree with their ideology .No chance of paying for anything

Quoted from Norseman

What happens when the banks close your account down if you disagree with their ideology .No chance of paying for anything

Switch to another bank perhaps.

There are plenty of them who will take your money, even if you are a Russian oligarch or worse.

Can we have a separate queue at the kiosk for fans still engaging in a barter system? Don’t want to get stuck behind someone trying to exchange some wheat & rabbit pelts for his loaded nachos.

Price of wheat nowadays, I would expect at least a scotch egg as well

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Price of wheat nowadays, I would expect at least a scotch egg as well

You'd need an audit trail, a couple of character references and proof of purchase if you're going to bring Scotch eggs into the deal

Quoted from Norseman

What happens when the banks close your account down if you disagree with their ideology .No chance of paying for anything

Are you Nigel Farage by any chance???

Quoted from Norseman

What happens when the banks close your account down if you disagree with their ideology .No chance of paying for anything

Depends if you’re a lying, scheming contradictory helmet that used bank of the rich and powerful, if you are, then it’s flipping hilarious….

They laughed at me, but deep down I always knew the global elites did their bidding through the most obvious way, through controlling the payment system of fourth tier football stadiums.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

So, in 150 years or so there has never been an armed robbery at a football match (or rugby etc) but now cash turnstiles are a risk?

Have you considered applying for a job with the Daily Mail or developing strategy for the current government Rob?

Clubs have to pay security firms though to take the money away, that's the only reason there hasn't been. Go cashless it's not an issue.

In a few years' time, Securicor will seem as dated as horseshoe manufacturers do now.

Quoted from aldi_01

Depends if you’re a lying, scheming contradictory helmet that used bank of the rich and powerful, if you are, then it’s flipping hilarious….

Or someone who has a different opinion and expresses it which we are all entitled to do .I'm sure many would find your opinions offensive .Doesn't mean you deserve to be cancelled

Quoted from Blundellite

Cashless I've seen it when a card machine at a busy venue breaks down/loses signal it's a nightmare and the whole system fails.....cash is king

Cash is no longer king, nor is it queen. In fact these days I'm afraid it struggles to even be Prince Harry.

Quoted from Norseman

Or someone who has a different opinion and expresses it which we are all entitled to do .I'm sure many would find your opinions offensive .Doesn't mean you deserve to be cancelled

Don’t disagree but I haven’t preyed on the vulnerability of folk or lied to them, all whilst making personal gain…still, man of the people will just move his money from one private elite bank to another.

As for cashless stadiums, it was always coming and whilst I’m not a fan, it doesn’t really bother me but for some it could be an issue, I know plenty of folk who still use cash regularly.

I don't like the idea of a cashless society but progress can't be halted, no matter hard you try. However, any changes need to be gradual with both systems running parallel until the cash aspect becomes virtually nil. It isn't a lot harder for the older generation to adapt or trust these forms of progress. I'm 75 and have tried to keep up with modern technology but certain aspects are slowly leaving me behind. As an example, I am quite happy with the metric system but my mind still automatically first thinks in imperial as these are the measurements that I first learnt and are ingrained in my sub- conscious. I still have friends in my age group who, when confronted with a metric value, ask what the imperial equivalent is. Change is inevitable but it must be tempered with patience and time.

Quoted from rancido

I don't like the idea of a cashless society but progress can't be halted, no matter hard you try. However, any changes need to be gradual with both systems running parallel until the cash aspect becomes virtually nil. It is a lot harder for the older generation to adapt or trust these forms of progress. I'm 75 and have tried to keep up with modern technology but certain aspects are slowly leaving me behind. As an example, I am quite happy with the metric system but my mind still automatically first thinks in imperial as these are the measurements that I first learnt and are ingrained in my sub- conscious. I still have friends in my age group who, when confronted with a metric value, ask what the imperial equivalent is. Change is inevitable but it must be tempered with patience and time.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Many seem happy with this cashless society were drifting towards but I'm an old cynic and trust no one.
Ignoring the fact that the days giving the grandchildren a fiver in their hands when they come to visit or dropping a pound in the tin of a homeless person or charity collector will be gone, I can see sinister implications in the future.
Who's to say your cards can't be declined if you've bought too much petrol, alcohol, junk food etc.
These lockdowns have given us a taste of how we can be controlled and given others an idea of how compliant we can all be.
I look at it from all sides. Of course I use my cards when I choose and I also use cash when I choose, thats the whole point, choice.
But when I look and think I just see the thin end of the wedge getting thicker.

With you there.

If we have a cashless society it will be too easy to economically disenfranchise people whether through error or deliberate targeting.

The only reason I know metric/imperial equivalents is because of the older generations continuing with the hybrid approach since 1965. It’ll hang around forever unfortunately.

I went in to the butchers a while back and the man who served me was in his forties and wouldn’t deal with a request for a kilo of something because “doesn’t do metric”. It’s been used his entire life, ffs.

A bag of sugar = 1Kg or 2.2lbs...you say so what ?
Well a few years ago whilst working for " That Orange airline !"
A few oldies going on their Holidays came to my check in , put their bags on the belt .
"Did you weigh your cases on the bathroom scales?" I ask ."Yes" came the reply .( I know whats coming next)
Sorry your over by 6Kgs we charge at £6 /Kg thats £36. After a discussion about the ins and out I just reminded them my way of looking at it 1. Remember the bag of Sugar
2. Turn your scales to metric not imperial before use.
I did'nt charge as the old fellah had the same watch strap as me 😉 Houshold Division told him to be careful on way back .
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