Confirmed. 3 year deal

Hopefully it works out for him and us

Wonderful. Great intent shown by the club with fees being paid, and long contracts being signed.

What a great start to the transfer window. Pace, creativity and finishing has been added in abundance already. Very exciting times.

UTM.

Cant believe we have paid a fee for him

Cue a million comments about him only doing it one game in five/was crap bar the final 3 months of his time here.

No two ways about this one in my eyes, a fantastic signing of intent. If anyone seriously thinks you're going to get better than Vernam at this level, without spaffing stupid money, they need their head testing.

Yet another fee paid. When was the last transfer window where we have forked out on a fee as many times as we have already

Pleased with this one, coming into his prime, should get us on the front foot and give us an outlet in a way we haven’t had for a few years.

He's a great league 2 player.
As I've said before, if he had a great game, every game, he wouldn't be coming back
Bradford fans are gutted they've not got him back, and they want promotion.... Buzzing

Great League Two player only have to look at his season with us and well thought of at Bradford. Great signing and well pleased to have him back.. Hope he can emulate a few like his Colchester goal.

Great signing at this stage in his career. We just need Omar back now!!

Welcome back Charles, show us what you're made of.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Cant believe we have paid a fee for him

If it wasn't for the short sightedness of the old regime, we may well have received a fee for him instead.

Glad to have him back and he adds more firepower to what was a serious shortcoming of the team last season.

PH has now signed five players and four of them are attackers. Someone better check if he's feeling alright.

I'll be happy to be proved wrong but I don't see this as a good signing. I never did see him as a team player in the Hurst mould . Yes, occasionally he did some good individual work but barring his Bradford spell he seems to have a problem of blending in. Hopefully I'm wrong and he has matured in his outlook.

I’m more impressed with the desire to get their target and pay a fee, nominal or not, it’s something we’re not used to. Decent length contracts too.

Great news!!


…and I got nothing but crosses for posting this in January and April 🤷‍♂️

Great signing. Would people agree that we're probably one or two signing off completing the attack now? Which considering it was the one outfield area that needed close to a complete overhaul is fantastic going at this stage in the window and absolutely unTownlike. Well done to all concerned, plenty of happy Mariners buzzing right now. Worth the wait. Can't wait to see him back in a Town shirt.

In January we were the only option.

There were 2 other clubs interested in this window but we were always the preferred option for Charles.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Yet another fee paid. When was the last transfer window where we have forked out on a fee as many times as we have already

When was the last time we had loads of dosh from an FA Cup run?

Quoted from Stranger in the Park

I'll be happy to be proved wrong but I don't see this as a good signing. I never did see him as a team player in the Hurst mould . Yes, occasionally he did some good individual work but barring his Bradford spell he seems to have a problem of blending in. Hopefully I'm wrong and he has matured in his outlook.

That was under Holloway, hopefully Hurst can improve that side of his game.

Finally. This transfer has been on the vinegar strokes for months.

Very noticeable that we've already got a lot more pace among our attackers now than we had last season. I'm really pleased with this because we were appallingly one-paced for a lot of last season and sometimes just having that extra yard can make the difference in a game.

Wilson and Vernam are quick, Eisa is rapid when fit and Rose is very physical. Already we're a much more worrying proposition for other defences. Great stuff.

Quoted from arryarryarry

When was the last time we had loads of dosh from an FA Cup run?

By all accounts most of that will be spent on boring stuff like keeping the decrepit main stand open.

Quoted from Heisenberg

By all accounts most of that will be spent on boring stuff like keeping the decrepit main stand open.

Don't know where you get that from, IIRC JS said the Cup money would go to the football side to strengthen the squad.

I can’t figure out if I’m excited about this signing or it’s just a solid player.

It feels like Vernam has improved at town whilst he’s been away. No doubt a talent but is he remembered more fondly as being a shining light along a steaming turd of a football club?

We're  really smashing it this summer so far, such an exciting player so great to see him back!

Have we signed the lifelong Grimsby supporting Vernam or the lifelong Lincoln supporting Vernam?

Was hoping we'd get a taller winger as I'm still a bit worried worried about a lack of height in forward areas, if crosses come in from either side our forwards/wingers coming in at the back post all seem relatively small

Vernan - 1.7m
Khan - 1.75m
Eisa - 1.8m
Wilson 1.8m
Rose - 1.73m
Orsi - 1.88m

Plus our midfielders who get forward are also all sub 6ft as well
Holoham, Clifton (maybe Hunt)

Looks like we are going to have to be pacey and play it on the deck to get most of our goals

Thank goodness for that, he’s absolute bobbins.

Mid-table Division 4 is about his natural level to be fair.

Only in the 3rd week of June and we have signed 5 players 4 of whom are not defenders,that shows intent

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Thank goodness for that, he’s absolute bobbins.

Mid-table Division 4 is about his natural level to be fair.

Thank goodness for that.

Was waiting for a "fan" of his ex club telling us he is sh1te. That's all the endorsement we need.

You seen him play much from the seats at the Etihad?

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Was hoping we'd get a taller winger as I'm still a bit worried worried about a lack of height in forward areas, if crosses come in from either side our forwards/wingers coming in at the back post all seem relatively small

Vernan - 1.7m
Khan - 1.75m
Eisa - 1.8m
Wilson 1.8m
Rose - 1.73m
Orsi - 1.88m

Plus our midfielders who get forward are also all sub 6ft as well
Holoham, Clifton (maybe Hunt)

Looks like we are going to have to be pacey and play it on the deck to get most of our goals

Oh nooooo...we're going to have to play football rather than Sladeball!!

Our attacking players are going to make this season very exciting. Lots of pace! Love it!

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Thank goodness for that, he’s absolute bobbins.

Mid-table Division 4 is about his natural level to be fair.

I’m sure your view from the council house puts you in a great position to comment on Vernam.

That said, I’m not overwhelmed by this signing, it’s decent but that is all.

Top player at this level and was always one of our better players when he was here. Jolley under used him because he was a flipping anti football pudding.

Keep him fit and he'll be class. Got some quality wide forwards, need a number 9.

Six attacking players at the club now. How many more does that leave room for or is that it? Opinions please

Quoted from HerveJosse

Six attacking players at the club now. How many more does that leave room for or is that it? Opinions please

Personally, I think we still need a strong target man type number 9. It looks like we're going with three up top and I don't see a focal point. Maybe Rose is that man, but my Mansfield supporting mate says he plays wide rather than central and is only 5'8.

I'd create space by moving Orsi on if possible, and getting a more physical strong forward in the mould of Harrogate's Luke Amstrong or Hartlepool's Josh Umerah.

Got to say, I'm a big fan of Charles Vernam, I'm delighted we have re-signed him. He's coming into his prime years now and I can't wait to see him pull on the black and white stripes again, I just hope he doesn't get overloaded with defensive responsibility off the ball. He's a match winner and playing below his level IMO.

Another left-sided player with Vernam in the squad - maybe there's more to the speculated interest in Glennon than is admitted to. Will Khan be moving to the right wing? The new strike force should get some reasonable service and backup.

Quoted from Stranger in the Park

Another left-sided player with Venam in the squad - maybe there's more to the speculated interest in Glennon than is admitted to. Will Khan be moving to the right wing? The new strike force should get some reasonable service and backup.

Don’t really see how signing a winger tells us anything about the future of a full back? Hurst clearly wants a back 4 from what he’s said and who he’s signed.

On the fence regards the player himself but good to see sought targets actually being acquired.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Was hoping we'd get a taller winger as I'm still a bit worried worried about a lack of height in forward areas, if crosses come in from either side our forwards/wingers coming in at the back post all seem relatively small

Vernan - 1.7m
Khan - 1.75m
Eisa - 1.8m
Wilson 1.8m
Rose - 1.73m
Orsi - 1.88m

Plus our midfielders who get forward are also all sub 6ft as well
Holoham, Clifton (maybe Hunt)

Looks like we are going to have to be pacey and play it on the deck to get most of our goals

No way is Orsi 1.88m
Wikipedia must be wrong. Look at a squad photo he’s the same height as Efete - who is shown as 1.83m.

Quoted from aldi_01

I’m sure your view from the council house puts you in a great position to comment on Vernam.

That said, I’m not overwhelmed by this signing, it’s decent but that is all.

I forgot to mention injury prone too … a 3yr contract is very generous, you must have money to burn?

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

No way is Orsi 1.88m
Wikipedia must be wrong. Look at a squad photo he’s the same height as Efete - who is shown as 1.83m.

Wikipedia is often wrong as anyone can add anything they wish to a players profile.

Quoted from aldi_01

I can’t figure out if I’m excited about this signing or it’s just a solid player.

It feels like Vernam has improved at town whilst he’s been away. No doubt a talent but is he remembered more fondly as being a shining light along a steaming turd of a football club?

Don't think he got better being away, that 5 game purple patch showed he had potential far greater than L2. The rest of his time here suggested it was likely to be unrealised potential.

He's better than we had last season, but I  expect more of the Vernam that drifted mostly out of games than anything else. He wouldn't be here otherwise

Quoted from Fette Schlange

Have we signed the lifelong Grimsby supporting Vernam or the lifelong Lincoln supporting Vernam?

According to his old mates from Caistor Grammar, he always supported Scunny! Anyway, who cares, he seemed to love scoring against them that time at Swann Stadium.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

I forgot to mention injury prone too … a 3yr contract is very generous, you must have money to burn?

Yeah he’s not though is he…

Quoted from NorfolkImp

I forgot to mention injury prone too … a 3yr contract is very generous, you must have money to burn?

I thought you would be in a better mood to be honest, with your club lifting the treble and all that (not Lincoln, obviously).

Can he play in goal ?

Pleased with this signing.  His brilliant goal at Colchester shows his potential.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Thank goodness for that, he’s absolute bobbins.

Mid-table Division 4 is about his natural level to be fair.

More accurately, Lincoln City's natural level is mid-table division 4 as opposed to the false position they currently find themselves in. In time they'll return to their natural place in the grand scheme of things.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Thank goodness for that, he’s absolute bobbins.

Mid-table Division 4 is about his natural level to be fair.

Nobody to talk to, a bit sad. Looking forward to your next contribution already

Welcome back Vernons

I think we’re sometimes guilty of overlooking how inexperienced Vernam was in his first spell. We were his first proper team after leaving Derby at 21, coming into a team playing under Jolley, and by the end of his second season here was considered probably our best player. He left at 23 and has been playing L1 or top end L2 ever since.

I was a bit worried as i always had the impression he was a bit of a chronic, but he’s managed 176 appearances since joining us in summer 2018, so averaging over 35 appearances a season in L1 or L2 for the last 5 seasons - and that is with some fairly significant injuries.

You never know, it might not work out, but I’m quite hopeful and think people would be more excited if it was someone with a similar record who’d not played for us before.

With Harvey Cartwright coming in as well, and if Harry stays, we could have 3 yellabelly regular starters. All straight forward haddock and chips, scraps and mushy peas lads, with no perversions from foreign counties

Welcome back Chaz :)

With all these wide players signing it will be interesting to see how Clifton is used , as I think he's best off the left hand side . Is Hurst going to trust him with a longer run of games in the middle of the park I wonder ?



              

Quoted from Mappers

With all these wide players signing it will be interesting to see how Clifton is used , as I think he's best off the left hand side . Is Hurst going to trust him with a longer run of games in the middle of the park I wonder ?



              

Think it’s about time he had that run of games. If we play with a three in midfield, he’s the one I’d be pushing alittle further on. He can get up to support the 9 and also back in to the three with his engine. Would like to see him given that role and have a look at it.

Technically, Clifton isn't the sort to sit there and play a defensive role before spraying passes forward. His eye for goal last season shows he's better pushing forward and using his athleticism and energy to cause the opposition problems in their own half. The advanced role in a midfield diamond, perhaps?

It will be interesting to see what Hurst comes up with as I really don't know where Clifton is likely to play, and you'd expect him to be a starter if fit.

Quoted from Mikey_345

Don’t really see how signing a winger tells us anything about the future of a full back? Hurst clearly wants a back 4 from what he’s said and who he’s signed.

Glennon spends more time upfield than as a supposed full back and has often been caught out defensively.  To act as a wing back effectively you need to be very swift to cover two bases and there lies his problem. When it comes to the full back position I believe Amos does a better job. Effectively Glennon is a frustrated winger .

Quoted from A Brace Of Tees

More accurately, Lincoln City's natural level is mid-table division 4 as opposed to the false position they currently find themselves in. In time they'll return to their natural place in the grand scheme of things.

69 seasons out of 110 in the Football League at Tier 3 or higher suggests otherwise …. what is it, 20 (TWENTY) years in the basement division or lower for you chaps now?

Quoted from NorfolkImp

69 seasons out of 110 in the Football League at Tier 3 or higher suggests otherwise …. what is it, 20 (TWENTY) years in the basement division or lower for you chaps now?

20 years of mismanagement and decay yes.  

Luckily we are on the rise again with a solid core , great ownership and the fans reunited .

There is quite a lot about Lincoln City to like - good ownership (Landon Donavan has raised you a lot of capital I believe ) , seems to be good infrastructure in place and the new stand is finally getting refurbished/built .

I doubt it wil be long until we are playing you in a league 1 game probably 3 or 4 years at most , so enjoy your time in the sun  for now my friend because it's nearing parity at least .

Quoted from NorfolkImp

69 seasons out of 110 in the Football League at Tier 3 or higher suggests otherwise …. what is it, 20 (TWENTY) years in the basement division or lower for you chaps now?

You probably need to look at overall average league positions… I won’t spoil the surprise.

Lincoln fans coming on here to give us opinions on a player who has already played for us before. Yeah, thanks for the important insight.

Weird.

Really Really happy with this signing. Talented player who is now at the peak of his career. Bar Mcatee he is better than anyone we had the forward/wing positions last year by quite a distance. Well done Paul, welcome back Charles.

So far two of Hurst's previous players signed. Good thing we've sunk all this money into big data and a recruitment specialist to make sure he knows what he's doing!

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

So far two of Hurst's previous players signed. Good thing we've sunk all this money into big data and a recruitment specialist to make sure he knows what he's doing!

Two? Abo Eisa and who else?

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

So far two of Hurst's previous players signed. Good thing we've sunk all this money into big data and a recruitment specialist to make sure he knows what he's doing!

Or just maybe (and stay with me on this one) there's some flexibility of thinking going on down Cheapside.....

Quoted from Poojah

Two? Abo Eisa and who else?

There does seem to be a weird impression on this forum that Hurst signed Vernam last time, it was actually Slade then Jolley, but some posters insist it was Hurst despite overwhelming proof to the contrary

Ahh, I fell into that trap!. Only one former player

(ps I was being facetious)

Quoted from sam gy

Lincoln fans coming on here to give us opinions on a player who has already played for us before. Yeah, thanks for the important insight.

Weird.

After their evaluation of Nolan (excrement-worst player ever etc) I stopped listening to them. They're even worse now with the influx of new fans (and 'lapsed' fans who pick and choose between Lincoln and Man City according to current success)

Quoted from Mappers

With all these wide players signing it will be interesting to see how Clifton is used , as I think he's best off the left hand side . Is Hurst going to trust him with a longer run of games in the middle of the park I wonder ?



              

Arguably both Clifton and Pakistan's finest OK7 can play as a 10/attacking midfield role which is even more options. Clifton can bring the ball forward well though so I'd like to see him with Hunt and A.N.Other as the Xavi/Iniesta/Fabregas triangle with pacy wide forwards ahead of them.

Quoted from Davec

There does seem to be a weird impression on this forum that Hurst signed Vernam last time, it was actually Slade then Jolley, but some posters insist it was Hurst despite overwhelming proof to the contrary

It’s a weird misconception. Vernam first signed for Town well over a year after Hurst left, with Bignot having been at the helm between him and Slade who signed him.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Pleased with this signing.  His brilliant goal at Colchester shows his potential.

Ffs....how many more times ......that goal was all about the Whitehouse assist,  virtually put on a plate for Vernam. 🙃

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Pleased with this signing.  His brilliant goal at Colchester shows his potential.

If we were still talking about his potential when he’s 26 I’d be concerned, but personally i think he’ll be great for us. Really happy with this signing.

I don't think you will find many Lincoln fans knocking him because he is a likeable fella - He also showed plenty of endeavour when he did play. We got him and Paudie O'Connor, Bradford's Captain in the same week and I think most thought Vernam was the one who would work out better. However, that was not the case, with O'Connor getting our Player of the year.

Some players quite naturally find it difficult when they move up levels and I think Vernam clearly did - There is a big chasm between L1 and L2 in my opinion. 30 odd appearances and 1 goal, no assists, sort of confirms that. I do think he will do well in L2 though, his pace and finishing just wasn't quite enough in L1 but I think will be fine in L2. I was surprised we got a fee though, especially as I believe Bradford bit 75k so you must have outbid them. Anyway I hope he does well - I did hear a rumour you were interested in a young lad we have who is on Loan in Ireland - Freddie Draper, I think he has bags of potential and could do very well for us in the future - He is about to come back after his loan finishes at the end of June.

It’s a mad thought to me that somebody wouldn’t be happy with this. Each to their own & all that but virtually every club at our level would be improved by Vernam.

Let’s hope he ranks well on the ‘played for Lincoln scale’

1. Waterfall (last 2 seasons)
2. Nolan
3. Arnold
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Somewhere in the middle: Whitehouse, Green….
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Bottom 2: Habergham and Waterfall (relegation season).

Quoted from Nutsy

Let’s hope he ranks well on the ‘played for Lincoln scale’

1. Waterfall (last 2 seasons)
2. Nolan
3. Arnold
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Somewhere in the middle: Whitehouse, Green….
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Bottom 2: Habergham and Waterfall (relegation season).

Having Green that high is a brave call

As much as I love Luke Waterfall , he won't be the mainstay of a team wanting to challenge at the top end I don't think, fully expect him to be backup ,especially if as expected we are trying to play it out from the back - his right foot club might not make the cut.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

69 seasons out of 110 in the Football League at Tier 3 or higher suggests otherwise …. what is it, 20 (TWENTY) years in the basement division or lower for you chaps now?

Tier 3 or higher.....?? :-)

Since their election to the Football League in 1892, Lincoln have spent 36 seasons in the second tier, 34 in the third, 40 in the fourth, and 10 seasons in non-League football.

However the mariners have spent 12 seasons in the first tier, 55 seasons in the second tier, 28 in the third and 19 in the fourth. Only 7 seasons in non league.

Yes a good while in the basement and below for us in the last couple of decades, but ultimately we all know who is the biggest and most and successful club in Lincolnshire.
There is not one single club stat where Lincoln have scaled bigger heights, had bigger crowds or been more successful than the mariners in all of the leagues and cups.

Enjoy your day in the sun.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

69 seasons out of 110 in the Football League at Tier 3 or higher suggests otherwise …. what is it, 20 (TWENTY) years in the basement division or lower for you chaps now?

Wow Lincoln are MASSIVE arnt they  ??)

I'm going to comment on Lincoln City

Some ( mostly the 5/6000 add on fans) remind me of MK Dons supporters . No real concept of football and it's long history.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

69 seasons out of 110 in the Football League at Tier 3 or higher suggests otherwise …. what is it, 20 (TWENTY) years in the basement division or lower for you chaps now?

You seem to have conveniently forgot about your 40 seasons in Tier 4.

Quoted from blackandwhitelaces

Wow Lincoln are MASSIVE arnt they  ??)

No

Quoted from Posh Harry

No

Oh yes that’s right they just think there massive

be fair lads, we have 38 Lincs senior cups each (the only stat they match Town on)

Amazed at the time spent and number of posts about Lincoln and Scunthorpe, lets be honest all clubs have ups and downs and are we they are at any current time due to fortunes and decicions both on and off the pitch.
Both Lincoln and Scunthorpe enjoyed sucess in recent years and while Scunthorpe have suffered massively Lincoln have managed to attract a lot of support many of whom have stuck around, I hope that we at Grimsby Town can emulate and supass some of Lincoln City' recent good fortune and ability to maintain increased levels of support we ourselves have seen since promotion last season.

Quoted from Azimuth

Amazed at the time spent and number of posts about Lincoln and Scunthorpe, lets be honest all clubs have ups and downs and are we they are at any current time due to fortunes and decicions both on and off the pitch.
Both Lincoln and Scunthorpe enjoyed sucess in recent years and while Scunthorpe have suffered massively Lincoln have managed to attract a lot of support many of whom have stuck around, I hope that we at Grimsby Town can emulate and supass some of Lincoln City' recent good fortune and ability to maintain increased levels of support we ourselves have seen since promotion last season.

Not much else to occupy us until August unless you are into cricket or ghoulish into Uke-Russo war, or Oxygen Countdown for the Titanic thing, sparring with an Imp Fan has to be our highlight.

You are always going to get banter between clubs and as mentioned a lot goes in circles, until significant change happens, and that is what I think the Cowley's and Clive Nates started. I would like to think we have stopped being a Yo - Yo club now and have consolidated within League 1  Our ground is much improved, and continues to improve and we have a decent training ground at this level. Our crowds are stable, and we have significant investment going into the club, we also operate a model where we can hopefully generate money from players sales.

A caveat to that is that it costs an awful lot of money to compete in L1 - I don't know for sure, but I would imagine our budget for players and staff is almost double what yours is in League 2? We lose money, though investment is covering that. That is why I think the promoted teams will struggle as I am not sure they are wealthy clubs - Wrexham I am sure will be an exception to that if they do well again. I am quite happy to plod in L1 and flirt with the play offs occasionally - I am more hopeful this year than last as I think we have made 3 good signings already, with a couple more to come - We have lost 2 good players but that is always going to happen. I am sure you will have a better season too, though I think Wrexham will win it comfortably, and I have a feeling Gillingham may be a dark horse too.

I think Lincoln are a bang average League 1 club, and they’re happy with that. Naturally, the glory hunters that climbed aboard the kick and run Cowley bandwagon probably find it odd, winning and losing an equal amount of games but those Lincoln fans who remember struggling to get 8000 to a playoff final, losing to Whitehawk etc, they’ll be buzzing.

With that in mind, I think that’s why Vernam is back here, he’s a decent league 2 player, but so far has shown little to suggest he’s a league 1, or a consistent league 1 player. May be injuries have hampered that but the were hardly queueing up to take him off our hands when the club made the monumental admin error…

Quoted from aldi_01

I think Lincoln are a bang average League 1 club, and they’re happy with that. Naturally, the glory hunters that climbed aboard the kick and run Cowley bandwagon probably find it odd, winning and losing an equal amount of games but those Lincoln fans who remember struggling to get 8000 to a playoff final, losing to Whitehawk etc, they’ll be buzzing.

With that in mind, I think that’s why Vernam is back here, he’s a decent league 2 player, but so far has shown little to suggest he’s a league 1, or a consistent league 1 player. May be injuries have hampered that but the were hardly queueing up to take him off our hands when the club made the monumental admin error…

I normally really like your posts, but you think this guy is sh#t, don’t you?

I have to admit, I think he’s a star at this level.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

You are always going to get banter between clubs and as mentioned a lot goes in circles, until significant change happens, and that is what I think the Cowley's and Clive Nates started. I would like to think we have stopped being a Yo - Yo club now and have consolidated within League 1  Our ground is much improved, and continues to improve and we have a decent training ground at this level. Our crowds are stable, and we have significant investment going into the club, we also operate a model where we can hopefully generate money from players sales.

A caveat to that is that it costs an awful lot of money to compete in L1 - I don't know for sure, but I would imagine our budget for players and staff is almost double what yours is in League 2? We lose money, though investment is covering that. That is why I think the promoted teams will struggle as I am not sure they are wealthy clubs - Wrexham I am sure will be an exception to that if they do well again. I am quite happy to plod in L1 and flirt with the play offs occasionally - I am more hopeful this year than last as I think we have made 3 good signings already, with a couple more to come - We have lost 2 good players but that is always going to happen. I am sure you will have a better season too, though I think Wrexham will win it comfortably, and I have a feeling Gillingham may be a dark horse too.

It's funny the contrast in posters on social media - you have the well thought out sensible posters like Mr Eardley and to the other extreme their other fan who seems to want to bait us , we have that sort aswell (some who even seemingly want to goad their own club).

I actually don't mind Lincoln , and think what they have done can be a good indicator as to what we will need to do when we get to league 1 (more investment will be required)
They are one of the more sustainable clubs at league 1 level and still losing (i think ) 2 or 3 million a season .

Just shows you how mad the game has gone even at that level really .

Quoted from Heisenberg

I normally really like your posts, but you think this guy is sh#t, don’t you?

I have to admit, I think he’s a star at this level.

I don’t think he’s excrement. I think he’s a decent signing, perhaps not the player some are making him out to be but he could most definitely be a key player for us.

Perhaps it’s his previous time here and the state we were in that gives me nightmares…

Quoted from aldi_01

I don’t think he’s excrement. I think he’s a decent signing, perhaps not the player some are making him out to be but he could most definitely be a key player for us.

Perhaps it’s his previous time here and the state we were in that gives me nightmares…

Hopefully he is decent , i was not too fussed either way whether he came back but he seemed to do well at league 2 level before with us & Bradford  , but not able to make the step up.

My main question mark is , is he good enough to get us out of league 2 ?

We will find out .

Quoted from Heisenberg

I normally really like your posts, but you think this guy is sh#t, don’t you?

I have to admit, I think he’s a star at this level.

This game is all about opinions. We all know that, and the Fishy provides evidence of it daily.  ;D

The most important opinion, obviously, is that of El General. The fee and the 3-year contract tells me that PH rates him.
A player can shine at one club, and yet look average (or worse) at another for reasons that are not immediately clear.
Paul knows the player and clearly believes he fits well into the scheme he has for the club.
That benefits the club, but also the player - knowing he is valued and understanding his role in the team.
So I'm confident (rather than just hopeful) that we'll get the best out of Charles, and he will prove an excellent acquisition.

Don't overlook the fact that when CV scored that goal against Colchester, he was back defending when he received the ball.
El General likes that sort of thing.
Waltzing past half the opposition before putting the ball in the net is something a player might do once a season.
Helping out his defenders is something he can do every match (is how I think PH sees things).

Looking forward massively to see how things pan out this coming season.

UTM

Let’s face it, managers work with players every day so they get to make a judgment call based on a lot more than the 90 mins we get to see them. The potential that CV has is known by those that saw him play in the spells that he had here previously and now he’s had the experience with 3 different clubs/managers, am sure that he’s also gained a lot of knowledge about his own game/style.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

You are always going to get banter between clubs and as mentioned a lot goes in circles, until significant change happens, and that is what I think the Cowley's and Clive Nates started. I would like to think we have stopped being a Yo - Yo club now and have consolidated within League 1  Our ground is much improved, and continues to improve and we have a decent training ground at this level. Our crowds are stable, and we have significant investment going into the club, we also operate a model where we can hopefully generate money from players sales.

A caveat to that is that it costs an awful lot of money to compete in L1 - I don't know for sure, but I would imagine our budget for players and staff is almost double what yours is in League 2? We lose money, though investment is covering that. That is why I think the promoted teams will struggle as I am not sure they are wealthy clubs - Wrexham I am sure will be an exception to that if they do well again. I am quite happy to plod in L1 and flirt with the play offs occasionally - I am more hopeful this year than last as I think we have made 3 good signings already, with a couple more to come - We have lost 2 good players but that is always going to happen. I am sure you will have a better season too, though I think Wrexham will win it comfortably, and I have a feeling Gillingham may be a dark horse too.

Good post, but Gillingham aren't dark horses they're chucking loads of money at it and will start the season as one of the favourites.

Quoted from Gilbertswand

Tier 3 or higher.....?? :-)

Since their election to the Football League in 1892, Lincoln have spent 36 seasons in the second tier, 34 in the third, 40 in the fourth, and 10 seasons in non-League football.

However the mariners have spent 12 seasons in the first tier, 55 seasons in the second tier, 28 in the third and 19 in the fourth. Only 7 seasons in non league.

Yes a good while in the basement and below for us in the last couple of decades, but ultimately we all know who is the biggest and most and successful club in Lincolnshire.
There is not one single club stat where Lincoln have scaled bigger heights, had bigger crowds or been more successful than the mariners in all of the leagues and cups.

Enjoy your day in the sun.

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past. No coincidence that neither of you actually play football in the place you claim to represent? Both grounds falling to bits with dismal views, cramped seats and leaking roofs.

It’s called Lincolnshire for a reason, and considering you count Hull as your big derby game despite never playing them, that’s when you’re not bullying little Scunny, why didn’t you do everyone a favour and just stay in Humberside?

As I say, keep enjoying our cast offs, I remember the dross you used to send over to us (Bobby Cumming exempt obviously). Diddy Gilbert was a mouthy little thief btw, that’s why Murph got rid.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past. No coincidence that neither of you actually play football in the place you claim to represent? Both grounds falling to bits with dismal views, cramped seats and leaking roofs.

It’s called Lincolnshire for a reason, and considering you count Hull as your big derby game despite never playing them, that’s when you’re not bullying little Scunny, why didn’t you do everyone a favour and just stay in Humberside?

As I say, keep enjoying our cast offs, I remember the dross you used to send over to us (Bobby Cumming exempt obviously). Diddy Gilbert was a mouthy little thief btw, that’s why Murph got rid.

Hull , derby  ? When did that happen. Obviously Scunny are our rivals most of us liked Lincoln because we felt sorry for them , just one hard luck story after another and then it changed. Like someone said , just enjoy it

Quoted from NorfolkImp

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past. No coincidence that neither of you actually play football in the place you claim to represent? Both grounds falling to bits with dismal views, cramped seats and leaking roofs.

It’s called Lincolnshire for a reason, and considering you count Hull as your big derby game despite never playing them, that’s when you’re not bullying little Scunny, why didn’t you do everyone a favour and just stay in Humberside?

As I say, keep enjoying our cast offs, I remember the dross you used to send over to us (Bobby Cumming exempt obviously). Diddy Gilbert was a mouthy little thief btw, that’s why Murph got rid.

More fool you for accepting our dross!!

What a weird post!! #UTM

Quoted from NorfolkImp

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past. No coincidence that neither of you actually play football in the place you claim to represent? Both grounds falling to bits with dismal views, cramped seats and leaking roofs.

It’s called Lincolnshire for a reason, and considering you count Hull as your big derby game despite never playing them, that’s when you’re not bullying little Scunny, why didn’t you do everyone a favour and just stay in Humberside?

As I say, keep enjoying our cast offs, I remember the dross you used to send over to us (Bobby Cumming exempt obviously). Diddy Gilbert was a mouthy little thief btw, that’s why Murph got rid.

What an incredibly sad life.

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past


F***ing Hell.  :-/ Says it all.

You don't even appreciate the God-like figure of Nigel Batch? I don't think you know anything about real football.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past. No coincidence that neither of you actually play football in the place you claim to represent? Both grounds falling to bits with dismal views, cramped seats and leaking roofs.

It’s called Lincolnshire for a reason, and considering you count Hull as your big derby game despite never playing them, that’s when you’re not bullying little Scunny, why didn’t you do everyone a favour and just stay in Humberside?

As I say, keep enjoying our cast offs, I remember the dross you used to send over to us (Bobby Cumming exempt obviously). Diddy Gilbert was a mouthy little thief btw, that’s why Murph got rid.

Firstly, Murphy, or murph as he must be your best buddy (although you have replaced him for pep), was an absolute loon and I wouldn’t trust, never mind understand, a word that came out of the idiots mouth.

Secondly, have you got anything to back up that accusation? Other wise I would be very careful what you put on a forum. Your name might not be on your profile to us, but your contact details are in the background and I would hope admin have a word at least when you put something like that in the public domain.

One player does not get you promotion in fact 11 players don't either,

It's how good your squad is plus the way the manager used them.

I am happy we have both or we will have by the start of the pre season training .

Isn't this guy the oddball who used to post as Aryan Imp? Hopefully the name change is a reflection that he's changed his racist ways even if he is still a Tommy-Two-Teams.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Isn't this guy the oddball who used to post as Aryan Imp? Hopefully the name change is a reflection that he's changed his racist ways even if he is still a Tommy-Two-Teams.

Correct. You’ll all remember him as the one who had a major tantrum about how shite Lincoln were and how he wasn’t going to go anymore. He wasn’t heard from for years until around January 2017 which seems rather a coincidence. Even now, with his team at their highest point in living memory (mid table L1 *snigger*) he still only comes on here when they win. Each time he comes on here, he  just gets angry and bitter as people point out that Lincoln have had far less success than us, that he’s a tw@t and that nobody gives a monkey’s for his opinion as he’s a two-team supporting turn coat who abandoned his side (or one of them at least) when they were at their lowest ebb. He then posts increasingly weird and aggressive posts until we don’t hear from him again for a few weeks. For a man who attempts to claim that Town are an irrelevance and no longer a rival of his massive club (unsure which one), he’s posted a staggering 2700 times on our forum including coming on here at 8pm on a Friday. What a fücking loser.

Quoted from mariner91

Correct. You’ll all remember him as the one who had a major tantrum about how shite Lincoln were and how he wasn’t going to go anymore. He wasn’t heard from for years until around January 2017 which seems rather a coincidence. Even now, with his team at their highest point in living memory (mid table L1 *snigger*) he still only comes on here when they win. Each time he comes on here, he  just gets angry and bitter as people point out that Lincoln have had far less success than us, that he’s a tw@t and that nobody gives a monkey’s for his opinion as he’s a two-team supporting turn coat who abandoned his side (or one of them at least) when they were at their lowest ebb. He then posts increasingly weird and aggressive posts until we don’t hear from him again for a few weeks. For a man who attempts to claim that Town are an irrelevance and no longer a rival of his massive club (unsure which one), he’s posted a staggering 2700 times on our forum including coming on here at 8pm on a Friday. What a fücking loser.

Well, that’s put him in his place!

Quoted from mariner91

Correct. You’ll all remember him as the one who had a major tantrum about how shite Lincoln were and how he wasn’t going to go anymore. He wasn’t heard from for years until around January 2017 which seems rather a coincidence. Even now, with his team at their highest point in living memory (mid table L1 *snigger*) he still only comes on here when they win. Each time he comes on here, he  just gets angry and bitter as people point out that Lincoln have had far less success than us, that he’s a tw@t and that nobody gives a monkey’s for his opinion as he’s a two-team supporting turn coat who abandoned his side (or one of them at least) when they were at their lowest ebb. He then posts increasingly weird and aggressive posts until we don’t hear from him again for a few weeks. For a man who attempts to claim that Town are an irrelevance and no longer a rival of his massive club (unsure which one), he’s posted a staggering 2700 times on our forum including coming on here at 8pm on a Friday. What a fücking loser.

Not really, I only came on for a nosey when I heard Vernam had re-signed and things have kind of escalated since.

I am a little concerned at the delight at which regulars on here are exuding towards harmless little Scunny though and their current plight, yet you have the temerity to call me a ‘loser’ ???

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Stealing lead off Holy Cross Church on Skelly Road .. it’s common knowledge round these parts. I saw his last ever game in a green Imps shirt at Craven Cottage in the promotion decider … I also saw him gleefully stick 2 fingers up to the away end after dispatching a pen for The Cobblers a few years later.

Thanks for the concern, but I deal in facts, not accusations.

Its ‘common knowledge’ is not facts. As for the 2 fingers, we’ll it’s only a third of what you have on each hand so I don’t blame him.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Not really, I only came on for a nosey when I heard Vernam had re-signed and things have kind of escalated since.

I am a little concerned at the delight at which regulars on here are exuding towards harmless little Scunny though and their current plight, yet you have the temerity to call me a ‘loser’ ???

“Only came on for a nosey”. You’ve posted more than 2700 times on a rival (or not, you can’t seem to decide) team’s forum you absolute weapon. At no point have you ever had anything remotely interesting or insightful to add. It’s Friday at half 8 on a lovely summer evening yet you’re on here “concerned” that some of our fans are amused by Scunny’s plight. Yes, that absolutely makes you a loser.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Not really, I only came on for a nosey when I heard Vernam had re-signed and things have kind of escalated since.

I am a little concerned at the delight at which regulars on here are exuding towards harmless little Scunny though and their current plight, yet you have the temerity to call me a ‘loser’ ???

It's Friday night and you're on a GTFC forum despite being a Man City "fan". If the dunces cap fits and all that.....

Quoted from NorfolkImp

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past. No coincidence that neither of you actually play football in the place you claim to represent? Both grounds falling to bits with dismal views, cramped seats and leaking roofs.

It’s called Lincolnshire for a reason, and considering you count Hull as your big derby game despite never playing them, that’s when you’re not bullying little Scunny, why didn’t you do everyone a favour and just stay in Humberside?

As I say, keep enjoying our cast offs, I remember the dross you used to send over to us (Bobby Cumming exempt obviously). Diddy Gilbert was a mouthy little thief btw, that’s why Murph got rid.

Did you say Man United? Another coincidence is that we still hold the attendance record there for an Fa cup semi  - ever played in one of those?

Sorry if i touched a nerve with a few facts...Hull is the big derby even if we haven't played them for a while..Little bit more to it than football....
The imps and scunny weren't really on our radar when i was a lad. We were an established second tier team back then....you wouldn't understand.
Played you a bit more in the last 30 years, so you have become a bit more relevant.

I think you only want us out of Lincolnshire so you can lord it over scunny as Lincolnshire's biggest club.
Im even having doubts about that though as to be fair to scunny, i don't think they would ever only bring 500 to derby game at our place...Whatever division they were in.

In terms of cast offs im pretty sure that you have had a lot more of ours than we have yours.....our players normally dropping down to you from a higher level... You even forgot Big Keith..

Anyway as for Diddy....I thought it was the air rifle incident that cooked his goose at Lincoln??....either way he managed to play a couple of hundred games in tier 2 and was clearly a fantastic player for us and west brom, On reflection, it probably came down to poor management/judgement from Murphy and not being able control or get the best or out of him.

See you soon.

Quoted from mariner91

“Only came on for a nosey”. You’ve posted more than 2700 times on a rival (or not, you can’t seem to decide) team’s forum you absolute weapon. At no point have you ever had anything remotely interesting or insightful to add. It’s Friday at half 8 on a lovely summer evening yet you’re on here “concerned” that some of our fans are amused by Scunny’s plight. Yes, that absolutely makes you a loser.

Nosey in that you’re not really on our radar anymore, and seeing as we are both 33/1 to win our respective divisions you won’t be for a while yet. Must be those rogue Nunsthorpe genes rearing their ugly head once more?

I did hear you were ‘massive’ again during your Cup run last season and watched the games v  Saints & Brighton reserves. It reminded me of The Imps under John Beck at times although I was pleased for Waterfall. He was another who had slipped my mind along with Big Keith (RIP) to wear both striped shirts with passion & pride.

7.00 am on a Saturday folks. And he's on the Fishy, unable to sleep, needing to dump his nonsense onto the forum of a team he 'doesnt care about'.

Sad.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Nosey in that you’re not really on our radar anymore, and seeing as we are both 33/1 to win our respective divisions you won’t be for a while yet. Must be those rogue Nunsthorpe genes rearing their ugly head once more?

I did hear you were ‘massive’ again during your Cup run last season and watched the games v  Saints & Brighton reserves. It reminded me of The Imps under John Beck at times although I was pleased for Waterfall. He was another who had slipped my mind along with Big Keith (RIP) to wear both striped shirts with passion & pride.

Must be a fooking weak radar.

Last time I looked, you were mid table league 1.

Quoted from ginnywings

Must be a fooking weak radar.

Last time I looked, you were mid table league 1.

And unsustainably chucking two or three mill in every season just to stay there..

Quoted from Bigdog

And unsustainably chucking two or three mill in every season just to stay there..

Yet lots on here think Lincoln are the model we should follow

Quoted from pen penfras

Yet lots on here think Lincoln are the model we should follow

In reality if we get to league 1 we will have to be , unless the strategy led approach can harness big transfer fees, 2million investment + is required per season just to compete at around mid table and that's with getting pretty decent gates .

Burton ,Accrington , Morecambe  and Cambridge are one's you could take hope from who are truly 'break even ' clubs i guess and have managed to survive at league 1 for  periods , but realistically their aim every year is to come 5th from bottom . Great achievements with low crowds and budgets .
It will be interesting to see our approach when we do get there .

Quoted from NorfolkImp

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past. No coincidence that neither of you actually play football in the place you claim to represent? Both grounds falling to bits with dismal views, cramped seats and leaking roofs.

It’s called Lincolnshire for a reason, and considering you count Hull as your big derby game despite never playing them, that’s when you’re not bullying little Scunny, why didn’t you do everyone a favour and just stay in Humberside?

As I say, keep enjoying our cast offs, I remember the dross you used to send over to us (Bobby Cumming exempt obviously). Diddy Gilbert was a mouthy little thief btw, that’s why Murph got rid.

What's an Exile Imp doing on a CodHead site? LCFC are too boring for you, need to follow a proper club?  
Anyway, what's a Turnip Head doing in Carrot Crunching land?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Isn't this guy the oddball who used to post as Aryan Imp? Hopefully the name change is a reflection that he's changed his racist ways even if he is still a Tommy-Two-Teams.

A more appropriate username would be Arrogant Imp.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

You sound like a NearManchester United fan living in the past. No coincidence that neither of you actually play football in the place you claim to represent? Both grounds falling to bits with dismal views, cramped seats and leaking roofs.

It’s called Lincolnshire for a reason, and considering you count Hull as your big derby game despite never playing them, that’s when you’re not bullying little Scunny, why didn’t you do everyone a favour and just stay in Humberside?

As I say, keep enjoying our cast offs, I remember the dross you used to send over to us (Bobby Cumming exempt obviously). Diddy Gilbert was a mouthy little thief btw, that’s why Murph got rid.

You forgot to mention a certain Graham Taylor in that list of dross! Except he wasn't was he and probably the best manager you had in the last 50+ years.

Quoted from pen penfras

Yet lots on here think Lincoln are the model we should follow

We are not being saddled with debt though, and that is quite a difference - This is investment into the club, and improvements continue to be made to the infrastructure, so it is hardly like we are being left to decay - I wonder what model you think you should follow - Clearly your current owners have a plan, it's common knowledge they speak with our Chief exec, I would imagine to pick his brains, but to a Non Grimsby fan It's clear they are trying to move you forward.

I would be interested how you think you would afford to pay League 1 wages on 6300 average attendance's at home, ours was 8.500 and we can't afford to compete without investment which currently is happening, should it stop we would obviously struggle. A cup run put us on a good footing with training facilities and a couple of squad investments - I would hope you would use your wisely, because they do not come around often for teams like us.

Supporters and facilities are often factors that will entice better players to your club, it will also play a huge part in teams higher up the pyramid lending you their best talent if they feel they will be looked after - Hence we have managed to get some high level loanees - Brennan Johnson and Carl Rushworth to name 2.

I have not been to BP for a few years, having been 5 or 6 times previously - I will come to the pre season game with my 13 year old and I am sure I will see a difference.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

I will come to the pre season game with my 13 year old and I am sure I will see a difference.

Er..you might not..still hope you and your son have a good visit.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

We are not being saddled with debt though, and that is quite a difference - This is investment into the club, and improvements continue to be made to the infrastructure, so it is hardly like we are being left to decay - I wonder what model you think you should follow - Clearly your current owners have a plan, it's common knowledge they speak with our Chief exec, I would imagine to pick his brains, but to a Non Grimsby fan It's clear they are trying to move you forward.

I would be interested how you think you would afford to pay League 1 wages on 6300 average attendance's at home, ours was 8.500 and we can't afford to compete without investment which currently is happening, should it stop we would obviously struggle. A cup run put us on a good footing with training facilities and a couple of squad investments - I would hope you would use your wisely, because they do not come around often for teams like us.

Supporters and facilities are often factors that will entice better players to your club, it will also play a huge part in teams higher up the pyramid lending you their best talent if they feel they will be looked after - Hence we have managed to get some high level loanees - Brennan Johnson and Carl Rushworth to name 2.

I have not been to BP for a few years, having been 5 or 6 times previously - I will come to the pre season game with my 13 year old and I am sure I will see a difference.

What exactly do you mean regarding the investment that enables you to compete with wages? Is it through transactional arrangements at the club, or are people putting money into the club by joining the board?

You seem confident you won't be saddled with debt despite financial losses so you don't envisage people asking for any investment back, should things change?

Well.... The floodlights are a bit lower these days.

I imagine our plan for ongoing development will be a mix of maximising the potential we have in terms of attendance (see pretty much every other thread on this forum) and outside investment. Something 1878 haven't hidden from admitting.

But a big factor in any development and progression will be the use of data to give us an advantage. To put it bluntly I imagine we're trying to unearth the hidden and rough diamonds that others aren't seeing, smoothing them out and selling them for a profit.

That works 3-fold.
1) We make money when these diamonds become attractive to bigger clubs
2) For them to become attractive they've most likely had success, individually and hopefully as part of a team so we're moving up the ladder.
3) We gain a reputation as a developing club, which makes us more attractive to ambitious players.

At the minute we'll be fishing in a pond that's relative to our position. Signings from Sutton, Stevenage, Accrington, Rochdale... You get the idea.
But with a bit of success that bar gets raised (hopefully) and we get even better players to compete at a higher level...and so on and so on...

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

We are not being saddled with debt though, and that is quite a difference - This is investment into the club, and improvements continue to be made to the infrastructure, so it is hardly like we are being left to decay - I wonder what model you think you should follow - Clearly your current owners have a plan, it's common knowledge they speak with our Chief exec, I would imagine to pick his brains, but to a Non Grimsby fan It's clear they are trying to move you forward.

I would be interested how you think you would afford to pay League 1 wages on 6300 average attendance's at home, ours was 8.500 and we can't afford to compete without investment which currently is happening, should it stop we would obviously struggle. A cup run put us on a good footing with training facilities and a couple of squad investments - I would hope you would use your wisely, because they do not come around often for teams like us.

Supporters and facilities are often factors that will entice better players to your club, it will also play a huge part in teams higher up the pyramid lending you their best talent if they feel they will be looked after - Hence we have managed to get some high level loanees - Brennan Johnson and Carl Rushworth to name 2.

I have not been to BP for a few years, having been 5 or 6 times previously - I will come to the pre season game with my 13 year old and I am sure I will see a difference.

They would have to raise investment to compete , with how small our ground is atm we can't even get more than 8400 in , we actually sell around 7k per game but count actual bums on seats rather than tickets sold (maybe 600-800 ST holders don't turn up for a lot of the home games ,and their seats don't go on resale)  .

They are wise to tap into your hierachy  , I have liatened to a couple of interviews with Nates and the CEO guy (I have forgotten his name ) and it's clear they are shrewd operators and want the best for the club .

Help me ! Or have i had to much sun today ,but have i missed something or not been keeping up ..But don't we still need a goalkeeper?
Confused ,to day the least .
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Quoted from The Caterham Mariner

Help me ! Or have i had to much sun today ,but have i missed something or not been keeping up ..But don't we still need a goalkeeper?
Confused ,to day the least .
UTM

Just one. Apparently, a season long loan for Cartwright from Hull is done. Just need backup/competition.

Quoted from smokey111

Just one. Apparently, a season long loan for Cartwright from Hull is done. Just need backup/competition.

Thank God for that  I thought i had to come out of retirement "People's Park" jumpers for goalposts near the bandstand .

Quoted from The Caterham Mariner

Thank God for that  I thought i had to come out of retirement "People's Park" jumpers for goalposts near the bandstand .

Very upmarket. I was more of an Immingham lower school field kinda kid. One post was a three litre bottle of strongbow and they other a turned over shopping trolley!

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

We are not being saddled with debt though, and that is quite a difference - This is investment into the club, and improvements continue to be made to the infrastructure, so it is hardly like we are being left to decay - I wonder what model you think you should follow - Clearly your current owners have a plan, it's common knowledge they speak with our Chief exec, I would imagine to pick his brains, but to a Non Grimsby fan It's clear they are trying to move you forward.

I would be interested how you think you would afford to pay League 1 wages on 6300 average attendance's at home, ours was 8.500 and we can't afford to compete without investment which currently is happening, should it stop we would obviously struggle. A cup run put us on a good footing with training facilities and a couple of squad investments - I would hope you would use your wisely, because they do not come around often for teams like us.

Supporters and facilities are often factors that will entice better players to your club, it will also play a huge part in teams higher up the pyramid lending you their best talent if they feel they will be looked after - Hence we have managed to get some high level loanees - Brennan Johnson and Carl Rushworth to name 2.

I have not been to BP for a few years, having been 5 or 6 times previously - I will come to the pre season game with my 13 year old and I am sure I will see a difference.

You won't see any difference in the ground that's for sure

Quoted from smokey111

Very upmarket. I was more of an Immingham lower school field kinda kid. One post was a three litre bottle of strongbow and they other a turned over shopping trolley!

I was a Whitgift school fence jumper in the holidays kind of person myself. Loads of us would go on (girls to) and play regularly

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

What exactly do you mean regarding the investment that enables you to compete with wages? Is it through transactional arrangements at the club, or are people putting money into the club by joining the board?

You seem confident you won't be saddled with debt despite financial losses so you don't envisage people asking for any investment back, should things change?

I am by no means a financial expert but shares are purchased, the Jabara family are purchasing shares and at the same time increasing their stake in the Club - Again Clive Nates is a fantastic chairman so he is well trusted that decisions and the people involved in our club are the right ones.

Quoted from Mappers

They would have to raise investment to compete , with how small our ground is atm we can't even get more than 8400 in , we actually sell around 7k per game but count actual bums on seats rather than tickets sold (maybe 600-800 ST holders don't turn up for a lot of the home games ,and their seats don't go on resale)  .

They are wise to tap into your hierachy  , I have liatened to a couple of interviews with Nates and the CEO guy (I have forgotten his name ) and it's clear they are shrewd operators and want the best for the club .

Liam Scully, he seems to be very good at his job.