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Well, there’s no way of sugar coating it, that was a disastrous result in disastrous fashion for Scunny, who find themselves with 5 defeats on the bounce and as good as bottom of the National League. As early as we are in the season, I think it’s clear already that the prospects of Scunny occupying one of the division’s four relegation spots in 40 matches time are high.

Which raises an interesting moral question: is it funny?

I’ve given this some thought at length and I’ve decided that the only decent and reasonable conclusion any person with love in their heart can arrive at is “no”. Hear me out; I get that they ridiculed us at the height of our darkest days, all the while enjoying life in the Championship and the top end of League One.

And I get that many of their fans took delight in our decline and would happily had us condemned to non-league for all eternity if they had been given the choice; maybe even worse. But you have to wake up and appreciate the sheer horror of what is going down at Glanford Park right now.

A once proud and successful club, being systematically destroyed at the behest of one grotesquely overweight man and his selfish, ill thought ideas that have unravelled faster than the speed of light. A club that, just a matter of seasons ago, was playing league fixtures against the likes of Newcastle, Crystal Palace and Wolves could well be in the same division next season as Atherton Colleries, Warrington Rylands and Alvechurch (no, me either).

A club that having just experienced one of the most humiliating football league relegations in living memory, looks well set to follow that up with yet another, straight into regional league football from where they might never, ever recover. Another Workington, gone and forever forgotten in the blink of a generation.

With fans, in many ways just like us, following an unfashionable team from an unfashionable, northern town, paying their way each week to watch and support their team, often with little success to celebrate along the way. Fans who will be unable to sleep tonight, crying into their beer not because of what has happened to their club but because of what is yet to happen.

Witnessing the Iron get sent back to the Stone Age. Like Bury. Like Macclesfield. Like Darlington. Like Scarborough, and so many others before them. I’m sorry, I know I might be in the minority on this but you’d have to be sick in the head to find any of that funny.

It simply is not.

…IT’S ABSOLUTELY FÚCKING HILARIOUS!!!111

Peter Swann on John Fenty

“ dont ever compare me to that man”

It’s difficult, I find myself having some sort of sympathy, but I do think that’s mainly due to a really good friend being a home and away scunny fan who is always the first to congratulate me when town do well and hasn’t ever taken the kids when it’s been excrement.

Listening to him, it’s horrific. The similarities between scunny and town under Fenty are alarming and whilst we never ended up as bad, I’ve no doubt that had the May ‘deal’ ever been allowed then we’d be done to.

Winning their first game was probably the worst thing that could’ve happened, it gave them false hope and a sense of optimism. That’s been quickly diminished and now the stark reality of the situation is laid bare in front of them.

I know many a scunny fan mocked us, much like some of ours seem determined to mock them, Lincoln and hull the same. I guess that’s football but as a fan I also know exactly how they feel and if it were my club I’d be truly gutted.

Only tonight there are rumours doing the rounds among scunny fans that a possible ground share with Gainsborough is being discussed given that they’re merely tenants at their ground…there irony isn’t lost on me.

It’s a tragic mess and whilst I’ll flipping howl every time they lose, especially to the true non league teams, I can’t help but want them to succeed and find their way back. We’re only a excrement season from joining them again, well, perhaps but you know what I mean.

A derby game is part of football but right now it looks a million miles away…

Just wish they would draw the odd game so Hill can keep his job a bit longer, there will surely be a sacking soon....possibly the rumoured takeover as well....so there is the distinct possibility of a massive mood swing around the place.

Quoted from Hagrid

Peter Swann on John Fenty

“ dont ever compare me to that man”

I’ve dropped my pint of Baremans and nuts on the floor. Thanks for nothing!

Quoted from Hagrid

Peter Swann on John Fenty

“ dont ever compare me to that man”

If Carlsberg did new owners.

Quoted from moosey_club

Just wish they would draw the odd game so Hill can keep his job a bit longer, there will surely be a sacking soon....possibly the rumoured takeover as well....so there is the distinct possibility of a massive mood swing around the place.

Two possibilities it seems; one potential new set of owners have met the fit and proper tests but have yet to prove funds (these are likely to be Swann’s acolytes, meaning the deal is more about him than the club), the second being a group of local businessmen willing to put a consortium and bid together to buy the club. I’d imagine the latter is the one the fans would prefer.

Like I said, whilst it’s funny watching them lose, the state of the club is extremely sad.

Quoted from moosey_club

Just wish they would draw the odd game so Hill can keep his job a bit longer, there will surely be a sacking soon....possibly the rumoured takeover as well....so there is the distinct possibility of a massive mood swing around the place.

He won’t get sacked , that would cost Swan money . He won’t spend money on the club

It’s always been on the cards. Ultimately, they’ve punched above their weight as a football league club for 70 years, but now they’re finding their level.

A buyout could galvanise them, but i doubt it. Swann must be really worried about his investment in something unsalvageable.

I know a couple of their fans (not fanatics) and I know they will not understand what is going on at all right now, as they are used to the Wharton-era of being run really well, with good managers who had an eye for a player. Their business practices kept the wolf from the door legitimately for many years. But now their luck has run out and their meagre fanbase has become the backbone of the club - a recipe for disaster.

It’s a beautiful thing.

At the end of the day 4 teams have to be relegated from the national League.
Do I want them to get relegated? Yes why not. Someone has to
Do I want them to be liquidised or go out of business? No.

Wow, this has gotta be hurting their fans.

I was pleased when they got relegated, mainly because it felt like payback for the gloating some of their fans did when we were at rock bottom. But I wouldn't like to see them disappear completely because the occasional derby game against them is always a lively event, For the foreseeable future it looks like this will only happen in a cup competition as I doubt they will be back in the EFL for a while.

Regarding any takeover, the problem is going to be the ground.  Swann's company owns it and effectively paid £11 million for it. So a prospective buyer faces the choice of buying the club without a ground, which Swann might not agree to, or agreeing a price with Swann for the ground.

From  Swann's perspective he can either accept a few million for the ground or, alternatively, sell the club only, and then sell off the land the ground stands on for development. It would depend on which gave him more cash unless he is feeling generous.

I have no idea how much the ground is worth as real estate. But it looks like a similar situation to the Derby County saga. Mel Morris bought the ground for £80 million as a way of getting funds into the club without breaching fair pay rules. In the end I think the new owners paid him around £22 million for it, which is probably less than it would cost to build a new one.

I could see a scenario where a consortium buys the club without the ground, and then has to ground share for a while. Not a great prospect, but at least they would be debt free. The problem is that ground sharing, as we saw with Coventry City, inevitably drives gates down.

Boy oh boy. Yet another club wrecked by poor ownership. It might have been us.

Why does a 75 year old B Level Film Director from Lancashire want to buy them?

Scunthorpe were always going to struggle in the National League. When was the last time someone finishing 24th in League 2 did well in their first season down there? :-)

It's all bringing back memories of our first season down there, and to be fair, its bloody great from an outside point of view!

Quoted from RonMariner

Wow, this has gotta be hurting their fans.

I was pleased when they got relegated, mainly because it felt like payback for the gloating some of their fans did when we were at rock bottom. But I wouldn't like to see them disappear completely because the occasional derby game against them is always a lively event, For the foreseeable future it looks like this will only happen in a cup competition as I doubt they will be back in the EFL for a while.

Regarding any takeover, the problem is going to be the ground.  Swann's company owns it and effectively paid £11 million for it. So a prospective buyer faces the choice of buying the club without a ground, which Swann might not agree to, or agreeing a price with Swann for the ground.

From  Swann's perspective he can either accept a few million for the ground or, alternatively, sell the club only, and then sell off the land the ground stands on for development. It would depend on which gave him more cash unless he is feeling generous.

I have no idea how much the ground is worth as real estate. But it looks like a similar situation to the Derby County saga. Mel Morris bought the ground for £80 million as a way of getting funds into the club without breaching fair pay rules. In the end I think the new owners paid him around £22 million for it, which is probably less than it would cost to build a new one.

I could see a scenario where a consortium buys the club without the ground, and then has to ground share for a while. Not a great prospect, but at least they would be debt free. The problem is that ground sharing, as we saw with Coventry City, inevitably drives gates down.

Boy oh boy. Yet another club wrecked by poor ownership. It might have been us.

I'm pretty sure we all know how lucky we were when 2 tyre kickers bought Town. Those at Glanford Park are now looking up at us.

Quoted from RonMariner

Wow, this has gotta be hurting their fans.

I was pleased when they got relegated, mainly because it felt like payback for the gloating some of their fans did when we were at rock bottom. But I wouldn't like to see them disappear completely because the occasional derby game against them is always a lively event, For the foreseeable future it looks like this will only happen in a cup competition as I doubt they will be back in the EFL for a while.

Regarding any takeover, the problem is going to be the ground.  Swann's company owns it and effectively paid £11 million for it. So a prospective buyer faces the choice of buying the club without a ground, which Swann might not agree to, or agreeing a price with Swann for the ground.

From  Swann's perspective he can either accept a few million for the ground or, alternatively, sell the club only, and then sell off the land the ground stands on for development. It would depend on which gave him more cash unless he is feeling generous.

I have no idea how much the ground is worth as real estate. But it looks like a similar situation to the Derby County saga. Mel Morris bought the ground for £80 million as a way of getting funds into the club without breaching fair pay rules. In the end I think the new owners paid him around £22 million for it, which is probably less than it would cost to build a new one.

I could see a scenario where a consortium buys the club without the ground, and then has to ground share for a while. Not a great prospect, but at least they would be debt free. The problem is that ground sharing, as we saw with Coventry City, inevitably drives gates down.

Boy oh boy. Yet another club wrecked by poor ownership. It might have been us.

I’ve met Mr Swann. He takes arrogant to another level. Karma.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’ve met Mr Swann. He takes arrogant to another level. Karma.

It's not him I feel for. It's those genuine fans that will have to live with the consequences of his ownership long after he has gone.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Scunthorpe were always going to struggle in the National League. When was the last time someone finishing 24th in League 2 did well in their first season down there? :-)

Thanks. My digestive has just plummeted, quicker than the Scunts, to the bottom of my mug of tea over that!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’ve met Mr Swann. He takes arrogant to another level. Karma.

I’ve met him aswell but he’s not the worst I’ve met 😎

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’ve met Mr Swann. He takes arrogant to another level. Karma.

Have you met fenty too? Who was more arrogant in your opinion?

My money would be on Swann.

Quoted from toontown

Have you met fenty too? Who was more arrogant in your opinion?

My money would be on Swann.

When you’ve had the displeasure of meeting Fenty, Swann and Steve Evans it’s impossible to choose…

     I guess I've mellowed in old age and like to think I've got some perspective now. Living here in the US and mostly following Town through the internet and one or two live games on my annual trip to the UK probably plays into this too, but I have to say that the current state of Scunthorpe United gives me very little pleasure. Yes, I'm fine with them being in the National League and learning what it's all about the hard way, just as Town had to do for several years, but I'm not going to be gloating and hoping they drop into the NL North or go out of business. I genuinely hope that at the very least they can avoid relegation, get decent new owners, and start the slow process of building towards at least having a realistic shot at getting back into the football league.

    It took us 6 long years of gradual year on year improvement to get back first time and I'll be perfectly fine if a similar scenario awaits Scunny, but their genuine supporters deserve that, at least. And who knows what the next few years hold for Town? Right now, everything looks positive, and all seems to be heading in the right direction with capable people who know their business in charge both behind the scenes and on the field, but things can change in football and a few poor results can make things look very different. We've been there, we know that, and it hurts. Also, from a Town perspective, games against Scunthorpe have always had a little bit of extra spice about them. It would be a pity to never have that again. Hull City operate in a different orbit these days and Lincoln and Doncaster have never really been seen as the local rivals we all love to hate, so yes, I wish Scunthorpe survival and eventual success. "Eventual" being the operative word!

All of this unravelling has been obvious to outsiders. I will never cease to be amazed that Swann’s son was in charge of recruitment and that prior to appointing Cox, they bought a load of players and then expected Cox to mould them into a team. We all knew relegation was nailed on for them last year, and we all knew they’d see their own arses once they’d been beaten by the likes of [insert National league team].

Doesn’t matter who they appoint, they’re copulated. It’s just a case of how far they fall now.

I would never want Scunnie to go bust as much as I detest the club. I just want them to find their true level and if that means dropping down to Cleethorpes Town or Grimsby Borough levels,then so be it.

Quoted from 140381

All of this unravelling has been obvious to outsiders.

Hasn’t it just. This article is a couple of weeks short of its third birthday and pretty much all of the concerns either inferred or explicitly stated have come home to roost in the time since it was published.

Some of the figures, not least the sustained ratio of wage expenditure to turnover, are absolutely staggering. This was always coming, Covid merely helped accelerate things.

https://priceoffootball.com/scunthorpe-united-2018-the-light-pours-out-of-me/

You only had to look at his time in charge of Gainsborough Trinity to see how it would and has ended up. He lost interest with Trinity as soon as the new stadium/housing project collapsed. And it's happened again at Scunthorpe. Predictable. They actual have an excellent manager with a great track record of success. If he's failing as spectacularly as he is that tells you everything about the state of the club at the moment.

Quoted from rancido

I would never want Scunnie to go bust as much as I detest the club. I just want them to find their true level and if that means dropping down to Cleethorpes Town or Grimsby Borough levels,then so be it.

That would mean a local derby, but not as we know it. ;)

Quoted from Poojah

Hasn’t it just. This article is a couple of weeks short of its third birthday and pretty much all of the concerns either inferred or explicitly stated have come home to roost in the time since it was published.

Some of the figures, not least the sustained ratio of wage expenditure to turnover, are absolutely staggering. This was always coming, Covid merely helped accelerate things.

https://priceoffootball.com/scunthorpe-united-2018-the-light-pours-out-of-me/

Their prospects are frozen in the Permafrost under the current regime...

Quoted from aldi_01

When you’ve had the displeasure of meeting Fenty, Swann and Steve Evans it’s impossible to choose…

Jesus. There’s a dinner party you wouldn’t want an invite to

Hill and assistant sacked

No manager in their right mind would take that job, surely. They're very much in the mud, sliding towards the NLN.

Quoted from Hagrid

Hill and assistant sacked

Awww....

:(

Quoted from Hagrid

Hill and assistant sacked

Thought today’s benchmark was a 9-0 spanking? Ah well….

Quoted from BulkyMariner

No manager in their right mind would take that job, surely. They're very much in the mud, sliding towards the NLN.

If you're an ambitious sort currently in a league lower than Scunny, I reckon it's a very tempting job to go for. Everyone knows its a sinking ship, so if it goes down and you can at least get a few results/team playing with pride and effort then your reputation is safe because everyone expected it to happen. If you keep them up your stock rises, and if you get a mid table finish or higher (by some miracle) you're the next Mourinho.

Anyone who's currently at that level and/or has a good rep and track record already would rightfully avoid it like the plague though

Quoted from Hagrid

Hill and assistant sacked

Maybe they will go for Hollway, apparently he likes it up here........

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Scunthorpe were always going to struggle in the National League. When was the last time someone finishing 24th in League 2 did well in their first season down there? :-)

Wasn't 'just' 24th though was it? They were as good as gone at Christmas ;D

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

If you're an ambitious sort currently in a league lower than Scunny, I reckon it's a very tempting job to go for. Everyone knows its a sinking ship, so if it goes down and you can at least get a few results/team playing with pride and effort then your reputation is safe because everyone expected it to happen. If you keep them up your stock rises, and if you get a mid table finish or higher (by some miracle) you're the next Mourinho.

Anyone who's currently at that level and/or has a good rep and track record already would rightfully avoid it like the plague though

Tommy Widdrington? Bet to nothing for him like you say...

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Thought today’s benchmark was a 9-0 spanking? Ah well….

That's coming...

Quoted from RonMariner

Maybe they will go for Hollway, apparently he likes it up here........

Now, that, would be hilarious ;D

Wonder if Lee Turnbull was the one who gave him the news - that would be quite amusing, given Hill's comments yesterday

Quoted from Hagrid

Hill and assistant sacked

I'm gutted about that ;)

Quoted from forza ivano

Wonder if Lee Turnbull was the one who gave him the news - that would be quite amusing, given Hill's comments yesterday

If he did, Hill is going to go full Mohsni and turn up at training tomorrow.

Gutted. He was the right man to get them out of that league at the first attempt. Relegated.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Gutted. He was the right man to get them out of that league at the first attempt. Relegated.

I'm gutted as well. I thought he was doing a great job.

He was doing such a great job too. ;D

Don't know about Keith Hill, over the hill more like

Quoted from Posh Harry

Jesus. There’s a dinner party you wouldn’t want an invite to

To be fair to the fat git, he's not doing too bad a job at Stevenage so far.

Quoted from supertown

He won’t get sacked , that would cost Swan money . He won’t spend money on the club

I don't know how old you were but were you involved in the design of an unsinkable ship by any chance😉

Ian Holloway is available.

Quoted from arryarryarry

To be fair to the fat git, he's not doing too bad a job at Stevenage so far.

Aye!

He's a charmless, odious fecker, but he gets teams winning games.

It’s never nice to see someone lose their job but this is something else. He was doing a fantastic job and had them performing very consistently.

Quoted from pizzzza

Don't know about Keith Hill, over the hill more like

Over the Hill and up the Swanny. Shouldn’t have got their Cox out.

Rumours are rife that Michael Jolley is number 1!..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Rumours are rife that Michael Jolley is number 1!..

Looks like Town fans are on the wind up to me, to be honest.

Quoted from davmariner

Looks like Town fans are on the wind up to me, to be honest.

Well he'd be cheap which must be an important criteria for Swann these days! Especially after paying off hill and the other one.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Rumours are rife that Michael Jolley is number 1!..

I’d quite like him to get another crack somewhere, but not Scunny. More out of wanting him to have half a chance of success than any dislike for them. It’s the poisoned chalice of all poisoned chalices.

His first interview with Matt Dean would certainly be a laugh

It's a job for Mike Bassett.

Quoted from RonMariner

It's a job for Mike Bassett.

Wouldn't surprise me if allsorts of applicants apply for the job.

Chris Doig has made no secret of his ambition to be a manager. Would cut down his commute as well. Wonder if he will be tempted to apply.

Quoted from psgmariner

Chris Doig has made no secret of his ambition to be a manager. Would cut down his commute as well. Wonder if he will be tempted to apply.

Think that would be unlikely.

Doigy mentioned something pre match against Walsall about living locally to there.

You’d envisage that the commute/hotel stays/rental would suggest when eventually when he does apply for something, it’ll be down that way somewhere.

Cox will likely get it on an interim basis given they’re still paying him anyway.

Then it’s a case of who knows. Who’d touch it?

I think the appointment will be an internal one. Given that they are still paying Cox, I assume they will be paying Hill and McMahon for some time too.

Colin Daniel (34) and Liam Feeney (35) might get thrown in at the deep end.

Jolley would be flipping hilarious. Barrow found him out a lot quicker than we did.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Jolley would be flipping hilarious. Barrow found him out a lot quicker than we did.

Hollowhead as manager, Jolly as assistant, Slade as DoF?

#DreamTeam ;D

What’s Mike Newell up to these days? Some of the other names mentioned aren’t fit to lace his drinks……

Quoted from RonMariner

What’s Mike Newell up to these days? Some of the other names mentioned aren’t fit to lace his drinks……

He can organise 'Thursday club'.

Quoted from RonMariner

It's a job for Mike Bassett.

Here’s a pic to be published in the crowle chronicle of PS in talk with his second choice outside Henry afrikas last night

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Jolley would be flipping hilarious. Barrow found him out a lot quicker than we did.

Am I missing something re Jolly??
Ye it didn't work for him in the end but we did play some good stuff under him at times.
People keep putting him alongside Hollowhead and Slade(don't forget a lot of weirdos on here were wanking over him coming back) I don't think he comes close to those clowns.

Quoted from TAGG

Am I missing something re Jolly??
Ye it didn't work for him in the end but we did play some good stuff under him at times.
People keep putting him alongside Hollowhead and Slade(don't forget a lot of weirdos on here were wanking over him coming back) I don't think he comes close to those clowns.

His outburst at journalists straight after a 4-0 defeat has dented his reputation here somewhat. The likes of Harry Clifton, Max Wright and Mattie Pollock owe Jolley a lot. Clifton was probably 10 games away from being released by Slade and disappearing into the semi-pro game but Jolley gave him a proper crack of the whip.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

His outburst at journalists straight after a 4-0 defeat has dented his reputation here somewhat. The likes of Harry Clifton, Max Wright and Mattie Pollock owe Jolley a lot. Clifton was probably 10 games away from being released by Slade and disappearing into the semi-pro game but Jolley gave him a proper crack of the whip.

Whilst you can’t entirely condone that rant, with the full context we have now as to just how bad the conditions were for Fenty-era managers, you can at least understand the pent up frustration.

He wasn’t perfect but unlike most managers in recent years he left something vaguely positive behind. I think, with the kind of backing and club-wide professionalism Hurst now has at his disposal, he’d have done a decent job for us in time.

I liked him in general and would hope he can salvage something from the burning wreckage of his short managerial career. Just not Scunny; the rigour mortis has already set in there.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

His outburst at journalists straight after a 4-0 defeat has dented his reputation here somewhat. The likes of Harry Clifton, Max Wright and Mattie Pollock owe Jolley a lot. Clifton was probably 10 games away from being released by Slade and disappearing into the semi-pro game but Jolley gave him a proper crack of the whip.

I don’t think Jolley did a bad job for us all things considered and especially when you take into account that he had to work under Fenty. Keeping us up was nothing short of a miracle when he took over from the bald one.

He also brought in some good players such as Hessenthaler, Andrew Fox, Hendrie, Hewitt, Whitehouse and Vernam.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

His outburst at journalists straight after a 4-0 defeat has dented his reputation here somewhat. The likes of Harry Clifton, Max Wright and Mattie Pollock owe Jolley a lot. Clifton was probably 10 games away from being released by Slade and disappearing into the semi-pro game but Jolley gave him a proper crack of the whip.

Who on here has never had a shitty day at work and lashed out at someone/something.
Don't forget his boss was Fenty

Quoted from TAGG

Who on here has never had a shitty day at work and lashed out at someone/something.
Don't forget his boss was Fenty

A 58 swear word abusive rant goes beyond what I could reasonably defend as being a error of judgement caused by momentary or even prolonged frustration. The truth is the guy showed his true colours. That's the real Michael Jolley, not the articulate "final third entries" modern football jargon bullsh!tter he pretended to be. The guy was and still is a nasty piece of work and you can count me out of rehabilitating the reputation he wrecked through his own actions. I would rather have Russell Slade back at Grimsby than him.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

A 58 swear word abusive rant goes beyond what I could reasonably defend as being a error of judgement caused by momentary or even prolonged frustration. The truth is the guy showed his true colours. That's the real Michael Jolley, not the articulate "final third entries" modern football jargon bullsh!tter he pretended to be. The guy was and still is a nasty piece of work and you can count me out of rehabilitating the reputation he wrecked through his own actions. I would rather have Russell Slade back at Grimsby than him.

Perhaps we need a new section on here Rob.
A ‘safe place’.
Where all the world is lovely. Nobody swears or chants.
Every person (or non person) loves and respects every other person (or non person) Hey. You could even have ‘fluffy bunny of the week.
Where’s FFS when you need him (They).
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

What used to make me laugh about Jolly was his Mrs who used to block anyone on Twitter who was remotely critical about him of the team. He had a great start and kept us up and with a better mentor and owners could quite easily have progressed.

Though his outburst was inexcusable I do think it has to be taken into account who he was working for at the time and the culture of the club that the then "custodians" fostered. To add balance I think the tirade wasn't a formal interview and was recorded or at the very least released without his knowledge, that also feels a bit of a cheap shot.

I wonder if there was any truth that he applied for the Lincoln job?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

What used to make me laugh about Jolly was his Mrs who used to block anyone on Twitter who was remotely critical about him of the team. He had a great start and kept us up and with a better mentor and owners could quite easily have progressed.

Though his outburst was inexcusable I do think it has to be taken into account who he was working for at the time and the culture of the club that the then "custodians" fostered. To add balance I think the tirade wasn't a formal interview and was recorded or at the very least released without his knowledge, that also feels a bit of a cheap shot.

I wonder if there was any truth that he applied for the Lincoln job?

Wasn’t the tirade recorded at a similar time to the idiot at the top being secretly recorded or was that a little before?

Quoted from aldi_01

Wasn’t the tirade recorded at a similar time to the idiot at the top being secretly recorded or was that a little before?

I think the idiot was about the same time.

Maybe Jolley just acted poorly under a lot of pressure. The idea that couple of minutes can unquestioningly define his entire character is clearly nonsense. I don't think he'd be right for them though. Surely they want someone with some knowledge of non league. Tommy Widdrington off the top of my head?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Maybe Jolley just acted poorly under a lot of pressure. The idea that couple of minutes can unquestioningly define his entire character is clearly nonsense. I don't think he'd be right for them though. Surely they want someone with some knowledge of non league. Tommy Widdrington off the top of my head?

To be fair we haven’t heard much from Joe Kinnear in a little while…

It was pretty widely known in and around the club that he wasn’t a nice person.

FWIW, I thought his recruitment was pretty crap and the football was drab for the best part.

God knows what happened at Barrow though!

Quoted from aldi_01

Wasn’t the tirade recorded at a similar time to the idiot at the top being secretly recorded or was that a little before?

The idiot at the top was recorded just before Slades left iirc (possibly before the Luton or Cheltenham game)

I think people are forgetting just how bad we were under Jolley before he left. No goal threat at all, route one hopeless hoofs. Did very well keeping us up but his ability to build a squad and get them playing a specific way was well short of what was needed.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

A 58 swear word abusive rant goes beyond what I could reasonably defend as being a error of judgement caused by momentary or even prolonged frustration. The truth is the guy showed his true colours. That's the real Michael Jolley, not the articulate "final third entries" modern football jargon bullsh!tter he pretended to be. The guy was and still is a nasty piece of work and you can count me out of rehabilitating the reputation he wrecked through his own actions. I would rather have Russell Slade back at Grimsby than him.

So you know him personally do you? Because the above statement has to come from someone who has spent a good amount of time in his company to say ‘true colours’, ‘still a nasty piece of work’, ‘bullish!tter he pretended to be’. Or the above statement is full of sh!t. As for rather having Russell slade back, Jesus Christ, that is another planet of thinking imo.

Was he on a football stats course and you spent a couple of long days with him finding out about his personality and all his thoughts on modern football?

Quoted from mariner91

I think people are forgetting just how bad we were under Jolley before he left. No goal threat at all, route one hopeless hoofs. Did very well keeping us up but his ability to build a squad and get them playing a specific way was well short of what was needed.

The idea that we were good under Jolley ever is baffling. He just about kept us up and the football throughout his reign was dire, truly the worst, it was anti-football.
He was a walking coaching manual and completely up his own bottom.
The most entertaining thing was that rant 😂

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Maybe Jolley just acted poorly under a lot of pressure. The idea that couple of minutes can unquestioningly define his entire character is clearly nonsense. I don't think he'd be right for them though. Surely they want someone with some knowledge of non league. Tommy Widdrington off the top of my head?

I've seen 3 King's Lynn games this season and Widdrington has them playing some great football. It's pretty much the same team that got relegated which shows the gulf between the 2 leagues and it's a completely different style to the backs to wall one he went with last season.

If Widdrington wants to make a serious go of management he would be best placed avoiding Scunthorpe and I don't think he's that stupid. He fell out with Joey Barton at Bristol Rovers but that isn't hard I guess. He was responsible though for bringing Jonson Clarke-Harris in at Bristol Rovers who is a League One goal machine for Peterborough.

He's under contract at King's Lynn until the summer of 2024 though so I can't see Swann paying that kind of compensation anyway!

Strangely the best football we ever played under Jolley was in the 2-1 win against Notts to confirm we stayed up. At times that day we played them off the park. After that though it was pretty dire. He then spent an entire pre season playing 352 without signing a single player capable of playing as a wing back. Out of his depth. Good luck to him, certainly not as bad as Slade or Holloway but that’s like calling yourself the tallest dwarf.

It’s a pretty sad indictment of the Fenty era that Jolley was one of his better appointments. He’s one of very few to leave us in a better place than he found us, along with Slade Mk1 and Hurst Mk1. He did his job, he was appointed to keep us up when we were in free fall and looking dead certs for relegation despite being out of the drop zone. We were then ok without being exciting the following season, never in any trouble and in the final season, we started well but had badly fizzled out. Once sides dealt with Hanson, we were utterly toothless. He did sign some of the best players we had in that period in the League. Hendrie, Davis, Waterfall, Vernam, Hess, Hanson to name most of them. We had long periods of being absolutely dire under him though and, as I said, became completely one dimensional in the final months.

With the cup games against Chelsea and Palace we had two of the best days out we’ve had in the last 18 years though.

Quoted from mariner91

Strangely the best football we ever played under Jolley was in the 2-1 win against Notts to confirm we stayed up. At times that day we played them off the park. After that though it was pretty dire. He then spent an entire pre season playing 352 without signing a single player capable of playing as a wing back. Out of his depth. Good luck to him, certainly not as bad as Slade or Holloway but that’s like calling yourself the tallest dwarf.

Definitely an improvement on slade, but yeah after he kept us up the football was so so dire much of the time. Didn't someone who knows the players say he had been coaching them to mark the opposition even when we had the ball. The lack of movement up front was so bad I could believe it.

I believe the barrow board commented after they sacked him that in his interview he had claimed he would be playing attacking football, and that any fan could see that that was not true or something similar.

Quoted from mariner91

Strangely the best football we ever played under Jolley was in the 2-1 win against Notts to confirm we stayed up. At times that day we played them off the park. After that though it was pretty dire. He then spent an entire pre season playing 352 without signing a single player capable of playing as a wing back. Out of his depth. Good luck to him, certainly not as bad as Slade or Holloway but that’s like calling yourself the tallest dwarf.

Jolley always struck me as someone who did his research and, having performed a miracle in keeping us up, seemed to be unhealthily aware of the value Town fans of a certain age place on attractive football having grown up in the Buckley years.

His attempts at recreating Buckley brand sexy football were at least vaguely on track for 45 minutes, before one of the greatest Town capitulations I’ve witnessed saw us concede 4 to Forest Green in the second half of our opening game and lose 4-1. I think it was at that point he realised he had neither the budget nor talent to have us play anything other than pragmatic football and that’s what got served up for the rest of that season.

Having been burned by that, he appeared to go into full-on, anti-football, opposite mode, signing 8ft 6” James Hanson and putting all his chips on winning cheap free-kicks and throw-ins in the opposition half in order to stick the ball on his head.

And to be fair, that strategy worked for quite a bit longer than 45 minutes - we were 4th in the league after 6 games and remained in the play-offs after beating Exeter 3-1 away in that Ethan Robson inspired game in our 11th. Not a bad way to react to having our àrse handed to us by Chelsea.

That Exeter victory, on the 28th September, would be his last win in the Town dugout, before he resigned on 15th November. What’s often forgotten though is that we only played 4 games in that time - with two consecutive games called off (international duty and a wind-damaged Plymouth stadium), and his last match as manager was actually less than a month after that Exeter win on 22nd October - a 0-0 draw at Cambridge. We were 16th but only two points shy of 9th.

People seem to recall Holloway coming in over New Year and turning into us some sort of footballing machine, but I think a lot of that is caught up in the excitement of the time. Jolley’s PPG that season was 1.27; Holloway’s 1.5. Better yes, but not massively so.

Jolley did alright here. It wasn’t always exciting but on balance he was comfortably the best part of our 2016 / 2020 Hurst sandwich. And I can’t vouch for what type of bloke he was, but if anyone can tell me that he was more odious than Bignot, Slade or that cúnt Holloway then I will fall off my chair.

I get the tallest dwarf argument and all that, but I do think with the board and budget in place now we’d have seen something much more palatable from Jolley’s teams than he was able to produce under the conditions he had to work under.

I think it was a testament to just how desperate we were in March 2018 that we appointed an ex-banker whose only managerial experience was a relegation in Sweden. It was a very big risk that paid off: he turned the situation around just in time (with the help of a couple of dodgy penalties) before smashing Forest Green on the last day with a JJ Hooper hat-trick, leaving us believing that we'd stumbled across a managerial genius.

But, although he didn't have the resources to build on the survival, it became clear that he didn't have enough versatility to coach League 2 players successfully. Once everything began to unravel, his squeaky-clean persona was worn away.

I remember after he 'resigned' he went around liking every positive comment about him on Twitter whilst blocking anyone who said anything critical, even if they hadn't tagged him. A total PR merchant.

Didn't the Barrow chairman say that a player had told him to sack Jolley as he was going to take them down? That surely ended his EFL managerial career, and it would take a club in an even greater state of desperation to us in 2018 to take him on now...

Jolley is an odd one. It could’ve worked, to some extent it did, he kept us up but after that it just slowly became turgid to watch, with the odd exception.

Perhaps an arrogance on his part and an inability to recognise that a system he was playing wasn’t ever going to work? Perhaps he realised that the club was a mess and whatever he tried to do, it wouldn’t really work.

I personally wanted Jolley to be a success but even with a PPG ratio not too far behind others, it was clear it was gonna end in tears, which sadly, almost everything did under Fenty.

I’d imagine that if you say every manager down in the last 20 years they’d all say the same thing about the club and it’s leadership, with probably the exception of Runaway. I suspect Jolley won’t ever be a league manager again, particularly after his time at Barrow. He could’ve been forgiven for his time at town given that it’s very apparent the reputation the club had but now he’s had that experience too I’d imagine that’s him done.

In some respects I don’t think we can compare any of our managers since about 2000, they’ve all been unique, some truly awful, one successful and one nearly successful. They’ve all worked in one person though so perhaps that’s the common denominator? Unfortunately, everyone was seemingly taken in by that idiot Holloway so I guess in his short time people will say he was better than Jolley, Bignot etc but in truth they were all flipping useless.

As Poojah said though, as much as Jolley was a tad on the narcissistic side, there’s no way he was a more odious bloke than Bignot, Fenty, Holloway, Slade…

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Jolley would be flipping hilarious. Barrow found him out a lot quicker than we did.

Bring on the Matt Dean interviews...

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Never mind Tony Daws... They'll be falling through the trap Daw (again!) with a bit of luck

I see Swan went for the cheap option.

Quoted from Poojah

Jolley always struck me as someone who did his research and, having performed a miracle in keeping us up, seemed to be unhealthily aware of the value Town fans of a certain age place on attractive football having grown up in the Buckley years.

His attempts at recreating Buckley brand sexy football were at least vaguely on track for 45 minutes, before one of the greatest Town capitulations I’ve witnessed saw us concede 4 to Forest Green in the second half of our opening game and lose 4-1. I think it was at that point he realised he had neither the budget nor talent to have us play anything other than pragmatic football and that’s what got served up for the rest of that season.

Having been burned by that, he appeared to go into full-on, anti-football, opposite mode, signing 8ft 6” James Hanson and putting all his chips on winning cheap free-kicks and throw-ins in the opposition half in order to stick the ball on his head.

And to be fair, that strategy worked for quite a bit longer than 45 minutes - we were 4th in the league after 6 games and remained in the play-offs after beating Exeter 3-1 away in that Ethan Robson inspired game in our 11th. Not a bad way to react to having our àrse handed to us by Chelsea.

That Exeter victory, on the 28th September, would be his last win in the Town dugout, before he resigned on 15th November. What’s often forgotten though is that we only played 4 games in that time - with two consecutive games called off (international duty and a wind-damaged Plymouth stadium), and his last match as manager was actually less than a month after that Exeter win on 22nd October - a 0-0 draw at Cambridge. We were 16th but only two points shy of 9th.

People seem to recall Holloway coming in over New Year and turning into us some sort of footballing machine, but I think a lot of that is caught up in the excitement of the time. Jolley’s PPG that season was 1.27; Holloway’s 1.5. Better yes, but not massively so.

Jolley did alright here. It wasn’t always exciting but on balance he was comfortably the best part of our 2016 / 2020 Hurst sandwich. And I can’t vouch for what type of bloke he was, but if anyone can tell me that he was more odious than Bignot, Slade or that cúnt Holloway then I will fall off my chair.

I get the tallest dwarf argument and all that, but I do think with the board and budget in place now we’d have seen something much more palatable from Jolley’s teams than he was able to produce under the conditions he had to work under.

He took over a club 6 points above the relegation zone and managed to steer us to finishing 5 points above the relegation zone by the end of the season. The 2 points in 5 or 6 matches after he was appointed (I can't remember if he took charge of the game at Carlisle the day after his appointment) was the reason we got dragged into a proper relegation battle.

And we had some luck in the final 5 games that season. The penalty given against Chesterfield was the type often not given. And the penalty given at Swindon was neither a foul nor in the penalty area.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

He took over a club 6 points above the relegation zone and managed to steer us to finishing 5 points above the relegation zone by the end of the season. The 2 points in 5 or 6 matches after he was appointed (I can't remember if he took charge of the game at Carlisle the day after his appointment) was the reason we got dragged into a proper relegation battle.

And we had some luck in the final 5 games that season. The penalty given against Chesterfield was the type often not given. And the penalty given at Swindon was neither a foul nor in the penalty area.

Context. We had gone 15 games without a win prior to his first game in the dugout and were in absolute free fall. All about opinions but for me he did a remarkable job keeping us up.

Slade had completely destroyed that team and we were destined for relegation. All of our creative players and goal scorers had departed, and you couldn’t see where another win was coming from. Whoever came in needed time to get a tune out of that team, but Jolley found a way to do it.

Yes, we got lucky with penalties, but you have to make your own luck. Is it any wonder that teams who spend more time in the oppositions box get more penalties. Jolley managed to tighten us up at the back, and we got lucky giving it a go at the other end.

His first full season was respectable, and he made some decent signings. Sadly it was the decision to go more direct in his second season to an ageing Hanson and Green that left us one dimensional and easy to stop.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

He took over a club 6 points above the relegation zone and managed to steer us to finishing 5 points above the relegation zone by the end of the season. The 2 points in 5 or 6 matches after he was appointed (I can't remember if he took charge of the game at Carlisle the day after his appointment) was the reason we got dragged into a proper relegation battle.

And we had some luck in the final 5 games that season. The penalty given against Chesterfield was the type often not given. And the penalty given at Swindon was neither a foul nor in the penalty area.

What your precious little stats don't tell you is how dreadful and rotten morale was. It was obvious to everyone that if we didn't roll the dice, we were going down.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

He took over a club 6 points above the relegation zone and managed to steer us to finishing 5 points above the relegation zone by the end of the season. The 2 points in 5 or 6 matches after he was appointed (I can't remember if he took charge of the game at Carlisle the day after his appointment) was the reason we got dragged into a proper relegation battle.

And we had some luck in the final 5 games that season. The penalty given against Chesterfield was the type often not given. And the penalty given at Swindon was neither a foul nor in the penalty area.

Bloody hell did he shag your wife or something?

There's still a nice bottle of Portuguese red waiting for him at The Pilgrim - can never thank him enough for saving us that season

Quoted from forza ivano

There's still a nice bottle of Portuguese red waiting for him at The Pilgrim - can never thank him enough for saving us that season

I’ll never forget that game against Notts County that kept us up. Last minutes winner. As usual against County. How they must hate playing us!!

Quoted from RonMariner

I’ll never forget that game against Notts County that kept us up. Last minutes winner. As usual against County. How they must hate playing us!!

The would have been promoted had they won that game. They went down the next season instead.

They probably don’t like us all that much.

Remember seeing us at Coventry, i was convinced we were doomed

No question jolly did very well keeping us up and I was fully supportive of him being here
.. it was only after he'd gone I was made aware by a former employee what kind of man he was

Quoted from davmariner

Bloody hell did he shag your wife or something?

There’s an obvious age related joke reply to this, but I won’t go there.

People are forgetting the deadliest front three we’ve ever fielded: Ogbu-Hanson-Green

Joking aside, against Port Vale, they played exceptionally well. Less said about Green and Ogbu after that, the better.

Anyway, he's not at Scunthorpe.

Quoted from Nutsy

People are forgetting the deadliest front three we’ve ever fielded: Ogbu-Hanson-Green

Joking aside, against Port Vale, they played exceptionally well. Less said about Green and Ogbu after that, the better.

Jesus, I'd forgotten about Ogbu ::)

He was truly awful.

Hanson I think could have been OK, had he been able to stay fit and the less said about Green the better!

Quoted from Nutsy

People are forgetting the deadliest front three we’ve ever fielded: Ogbu-Hanson-Green

Joking aside, against Port Vale, they played exceptionally well. Less said about Green and Ogbu after that, the better.

For comparison, the three of them had scored 8 league goals between them by the end of August 2019. That compares with 0 for our forwards in 2022.

And yet somehow I wouldn’t want to swap. Funny old game, innit?

I see getting rid of Hill has made a difference.

Quoted from promotion plaice

I see getting rid of Hill has made a difference.

Apparently Cox has been asked to get another consortium going despite pistol Pete accepting an offer from a buyer.

I believe FUBAR is the appropriate acronym.

6 defeats in a row in the NL is quite something. Don’t think we ever did that even at our lowest ebb.

Reality soup boys. Welcome to hell.

Consistency is what Scunny have, losing every game. :) :)

Soon to be overlapped by Scarborough Athletic (clap2)(clap2)(clap2)

Quoted from promotion plaice

I see getting rid of Hill has made a difference.

According to one caller into Humberside Post match it has made a difference....

They looked worse 😂

I count our blessings every time we play that we got out of that league at the first time of asking.

It's brutal if you're not prepared for it, and Scunny look to be under prepared to say the least. They look like they will be going down another level if they don't get their act together.

They must be heading for some kind of record for least wins over a period of time.

Time to stop relishing their demise now. There fall has gone to far on the edge of oblivion .

Quoted from HerveJosse

Time to stop relishing their demise now. There fall has gone to far on the edge of oblivion .

Or.....

Time to crank it up a bit more....😉

No worries. I can see them playing GTFC again very soon!

Gainsborough Trinity, in the Northern Premier League!

Quoted from HerveJosse

Time to stop relishing their demise now. There fall has gone to far on the edge of oblivion .

Absolutely not

Scunthorpe are down in 24th! Even Dover didn't drop below 23rd last season :)

They are going to get relegated. Losing six on the bounce in the national league is shocking.

Cox was talking about someone coming to help with had been involved with Notts. All I could think about was Alex May 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Cox was talking about someone coming to help with had been involved with Notts. All I could think about was Alex May 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻

Sven?

I’m not saying Scunny are doomed but the dancing Cliftons seem to have abandoned them.

Tell you what, it's a good job they haven't played anybody decent yet or things would be looking pretty grim!!

Take Town and Stockport out and all bar Halifax of last seasons top 7 are already occupying the top spots. Any two of Chesterfield, Wrexham and Notts County please so that clubs with history and a decent fan base get back into the EFL.

And to all you bãstards wishing the worst for Scunny, I’m hoping they come with a late rattle and get all the way up to 21st.

Whitehouse and Boyce (return) must wonder what the feck they have walked into.

Worth remembering that Cool Silk (Swann’s investment company) wrote off 11 million quid of Scunny debt last year, still leaving the club in 11 million debt. It’s Fenty on an industrial scale.

2,193 at Glanford Park today. Only a matter of time before that drops below the 2k mark.

What was our lowest gate for a league game in the NL?

I think they have sunk lower than we ever did at our very worst. 6 defeats on the trott is incredible for a club that were in the championship not that long ago.

It must feel even worse than we felt back in 2010. Blimey.

Maybe Poojah could write a rant for them? They must be about due for one!

Quoted from Poojah

2,193 at Glanford Park today. Only a matter of time before that drops below the 2k mark.

What was our lowest gate for a league game in the NL?

No idea but going on our average attendances well above 2,193.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/grimsby-town/besucherzahlenentwicklung/verein/1034

It's getting to the point where I'm starting to feel sorry for them. No one deserves to see their club being torn apart like that.

Having said that, why aren't Scunny fans hounding Swann out? Have they just given up as a fanbase?

Quoted from MarinerDevil

It's getting to the point where I'm starting to feel sorry for them. No one deserves to see their club being torn apart like that.

Having said that, why aren't Scunny fans hounding Swann out? Have they just given up as a fanbase?

All 4 of them are busy on weekday evenings.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

It's getting to the point where I'm starting to feel sorry for them. No one deserves to see their club being torn apart like that.

Having said that, why aren't Scunny fans hounding Swann out? Have they just given up as a fanbase?

I think it’s a blend of apathy, inability to comprehend their predicament, and a realisation that it’s way too late to do anything.

They have an irresolvable problem; no ground ownership, an £11m debt to their owner and a team destined for relegation regional league football.

I do have sympathy for supporters of poorly run football clubs; they are limited in terms of what they can do. But how can a man be allowed to run up an 8-figure debt at a club barely worth 6 figures without questions being asked?

Quoted from RonMariner

Maybe Poojah could write a rant for them? They must be about due for one!

They can't afford him on those gates.

The lemonade is being kept on ice for another season at Glumford Park!

It’s astonishing to think that, in September 2010 while we were struggling to come to terms with our first season in the NL, Scunthorpe were playing in The Championship! Three divisions above us.

Must be a very hard pill for them to swallow.

I must say, enjoyable as it has been to see them plummeting after some of them rubbed our noses in it unmercifully at the time, I think their current plight is so desperate that even I am beginning to think they may have suffered enough.

Karma is one thing, but this is becoming painful to watch. Or am I just too soft hearted?

Quoted from Poojah

They have an irresolvable problem; no ground ownership, an £11m debt to their owner and a team destined for relegation regional league football.

This is their major issue now. As far as I can see they’ve got two options left. Swann does the ‘honourable’ thing and sells for a nominal fee; either one of those silly fees like £1 or the going rate for non-league so perhaps £1M to £2M. There’s no way he will take another hit so I can’t see that happening. So in reality his only asset is the ground, is that worth £11M with or without the club? I doubt it so the easiest thing to do is to run the club down so there’s no covenant (for want of a better word) attached to the sale of the ground which then opens up the potential for more bidders who aren’t interested in buying a football club but would like some reasonably prime real estate for retail opportunities. Unless there’s some extremely rich and slightly foolish genuine fan out there the next steps I can see are ground share and/or phoenix club which for all the bluff and bluster would be a shame.

I would say that their ground is worth more without a football club playing there every other week. The best case scenario is for someone to get hold of the club cheap without the ground and either lease it off Swann or groundshare. Let that £11m be his problem.

Quoted from LN8Mariner

This is their major issue now. As far as I can see they’ve got two options left. Swann does the ‘honourable’ thing and sells for a nominal fee; either one of those silly fees like £1 or the going rate for non-league so perhaps £1M to £2M. There’s no way he will take another hit so I can’t see that happening. So in reality his only asset is the ground, is that worth £11M with or without the club? I doubt it so the easiest thing to do is to run the club down so there’s no covenant (for want of a better word) attached to the sale of the ground which then opens up the potential for more bidders who aren’t interested in buying a football club but would like some reasonably prime real estate for retail opportunities. Unless there’s some extremely rich and slightly foolish genuine fan out there the next steps I can see are ground share and/or phoenix club which for all the bluff and bluster would be a shame.

Rumour among fans is they’ve explored ground share opportunities.

As a rivalry it’s flipping hilarious but as a football fan it’s terrifying. It’s terrifying how many morons are allowed to get involved md but and run football clubs.

Personally, I’d quite liked them to have a couple of excrement seasons and then come back up and hopefully have a derby if we hadn’t gone up. I’d rather play scunny than say Stevenage of someone like franchise fc.

A group have met the fit and proper criteria by al accounts but as of yet, they have been unable to prove funds. It’s hinted that these are cronies of Swann. There’s also a rumour than a local consortium have been put together to purchase the club but nothing has seemingly come of it yet.

My STH mate at scunny reckons neither will go through before it’s too late, he doesn’t think the second consortium will get the club because the deal won’t suit Swann…perhaps they’re tyre kickers?

Having had long conversations with my mate, the comparisons between Swann and Fenty are stark and quite alarming.

Whatever we think and feel as rivals, there’s a group of fans, be it small, that are seeing their club be destroyed piece by piece.

Quoted from RonMariner

It’s astonishing to think that, in September 2010 while we were struggling to come to terms with our first season in the NL, Scunthorpe were playing in The Championship! Three divisions above us.

Must be a very hard pill for them to swallow.

I must say, enjoyable as it has been to see them plummeting after some of them rubbed our noses in it unmercifully at the time, I think their current plight is so desperate that even I am beginning to think they may have suffered enough.

Karma is one thing, but this is becoming painful to watch. Or am I just too soft hearted?

Am with you Ron starting to feel so sorry for their real fans and can’t help feeling that had we not won the jackpot with our new owners we might be sharing That berth one place above them

Is that right that they are still 11 million in debt to Swann? I thought he had taken the ground in settlement if that debt? Or was the debt 22million rather than 11 million?

With retail going to the dogs, is the ground really worth what Swann and others think, we couldn’t get a retail park and ground built 30 years ago before Amazon etc

Quoted from MarinerDevil

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Having said that, why aren't Scunny fans hounding Swann out? Have they just given up as a fanbase?

We let Fenty get away with far too much for far too long.

If it wasn’t for the Alex May debacle I genuinely believe he’d still be the owner. Whilst I doubt we’d have sunk as far as Scunny, I reckon we’d still be non-league !!!

Quoted from Civvy at last

We let Fenty get away with far too much for far too long.

If it wasn’t for the Alex May debacle I genuinely believe he’d still be the owner. Whilst I doubt we’d have sunk as far as Scunny, I reckon we’d still be non-league !!!

I agree. No way would we be back in the EFL under Fenty.

Thank goodness the May thing came to light. In retrospect it was the crucial turning point.

Quoted from Civvy at last

We let Fenty get away with far too much for far too long.

If it wasn’t for the Alex May debacle I genuinely believe he’d still be the owner. Whilst I doubt we’d have sunk as far as Scunny, I reckon we’d still be non-league !!!

I’m a big believer in this. Town fans making comments about Scunny fans giving up or not fighting for their club is a bit hypocritical. In the 20 years Fenty copulated us we had a couple of flimsy and half arsed protests in the car park, some people slinging a few banners up and that was it.

It wasn’t until Alex May that fans mobilised, and still we have some that speak fondly of Fenty etc so we’re really not in any position to have a pop at them for being ok with it.

Had he been allowed and not been a male private regarding May we’d still be non league and probably scrapping with Scunny for the prize of the worst team in the conference.

You only have to read between the lines of things that have been said, things that have been told to us and evidence of ex players to realise we were copulated. Rotten, on life support, heading in to football oblivion.

Do I enjoy seeing scunny lose every week, course i flipping do. That’s a football thing. Do I like what’s going on at the club? Not at all, it’s a flipping disgrace.

I think those comparing Swann to Fenty are actually harsh on JF. Yes, JF made some absolutely shocking decisions, decisions he refused to accept were wrong and did irreparable damage on numerous occasions. However, he didn’t make wilfully destructive decisions like Swann has done. Fenty never pensioned off the ground to himself or lost total interest. We never fell to these depths as he never pulled all funding in the way Swann has. I’m not for a second saying Fenty was a good owner, just that he’s not as bad as Swann.

Regards Scunny, the situation short and long term is bleak. Short term, unless there is a takeover and then massive investment in the squad in January, they look doomed for consecutive relegations already. I thought they’d struggle but not this badly this quickly. I’m not sure sacking Hill will make any difference as who else is going to want that job? It’s a poisoned chalice.

Long term, their issues (unlike ours) can’t just be solved with a takeover, the prospect of ground sharing must be terrifying. How on earth could they possibly rebuild if they were ground sharing with Brigg or whoever?

There is some comedy value in them spending a year or two in the NLN, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Humberside coverage stopped in that circumstance. However, I wouldn’t wish oblivion on them. Firstly, it seems eminently possible given their situation and what goes around comes around. It’s our time in the sun now but it will go rubbish again sooner or later.

Quoted from Mariner_09

I think those comparing Swann to Fenty are actually harsh on JF. Yes, JF made some absolutely shocking decisions, decisions he refused to accept were wrong and did irreparable damage on numerous occasions. However, he didn’t make wilfully destructive decisions like Swann has done. Fenty never pensioned off the ground to himself or lost total interest. We never fell to these depths as he never pulled all funding in the way Swann has. I’m not for a second saying Fenty was a good owner, just that he’s not as bad as Swann.

Regards Scunny, the situation short and long term is bleak. Short term, unless there is a takeover and then massive investment in the squad in January, they look doomed for consecutive relegations already. I thought they’d struggle but not this badly this quickly. I’m not sure sacking Hill will make any difference as who else is going to want that job? It’s a poisoned chalice.

Long term, their issues (unlike ours) can’t just be solved with a takeover, the prospect of ground sharing must be terrifying. How on earth could they possibly rebuild if they were ground sharing with Brigg or whoever?

There is some comedy value in them spending a year or two in the NLN, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Humberside coverage stopped in that circumstance. However, I wouldn’t wish oblivion on them. Firstly, it seems eminently possible given their situation and what goes around comes around. It’s our time in the sun now but it will go rubbish again sooner or later.

Didn't make wilfully destructive decisions?

How about trying to get a known thief and fraudster involved with the ownership of the club?

Quoted from Mariner_09

I think those comparing Swann to Fenty are actually harsh on JF. Yes, JF made some absolutely shocking decisions, decisions he refused to accept were wrong and did irreparable damage on numerous occasions. However, he didn’t make wilfully destructive decisions like Swann has done. Fenty never pensioned off the ground to himself or lost total interest. We never fell to these depths as he never pulled all funding in the way Swann has. I’m not for a second saying Fenty was a good owner, just that he’s not as bad as Swann.

Regards Scunny, the situation short and long term is bleak. Short term, unless there is a takeover and then massive investment in the squad in January, they look doomed for consecutive relegations already. I thought they’d struggle but not this badly this quickly. I’m not sure sacking Hill will make any difference as who else is going to want that job? It’s a poisoned chalice.

Long term, their issues (unlike ours) can’t just be solved with a takeover, the prospect of ground sharing must be terrifying. How on earth could they possibly rebuild if they were ground sharing with Brigg or whoever?

There is some comedy value in them spending a year or two in the NLN, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Humberside coverage stopped in that circumstance. However, I wouldn’t wish oblivion on them. Firstly, it seems eminently possible given their situation and what goes around comes around. It’s our time in the sun now but it will go rubbish again sooner or later.

I don’t think that there’s much difference between the two. Both narcissists but the Swann family piggy bank was much bigger. They’ve also significantly reduced their horse racing operation and many of their horses now are home bred rather than bought at the sales. Fenty didn’t have as big a slush fund so when he got to the bottom, he had to start clawing it back.

Quoted from Mariner_09

I think those comparing Swann to Fenty are actually harsh on JF. Yes, JF made some absolutely shocking decisions, decisions he refused to accept were wrong and did irreparable damage on numerous occasions. However, he didn’t make wilfully destructive decisions like Swann has done. Fenty never pensioned off the ground to himself or lost total interest. We never fell to these depths as he never pulled all funding in the way Swann has. I’m not for a second saying Fenty was a good owner, just that he’s not as bad as Swann.

Regards Scunny, the situation short and long term is bleak. Short term, unless there is a takeover and then massive investment in the squad in January, they look doomed for consecutive relegations already. I thought they’d struggle but not this badly this quickly. I’m not sure sacking Hill will make any difference as who else is going to want that job? It’s a poisoned chalice.

Long term, their issues (unlike ours) can’t just be solved with a takeover, the prospect of ground sharing must be terrifying. How on earth could they possibly rebuild if they were ground sharing with Brigg or whoever?

There is some comedy value in them spending a year or two in the NLN, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Humberside coverage stopped in that circumstance. However, I wouldn’t wish oblivion on them. Firstly, it seems eminently possible given their situation and what goes around comes around. It’s our time in the sun now but it will go rubbish again sooner or later.

Morning John.

You probably need to read in to our old mate John and realise why so many similarities are made between the two…

I mean remember when Fenty threatened to shut down the fishy? Swann did the same…

There’s a starter for ten…

I worry for the true supporters of Scunthorpe United. Their team looked doomed to another relegation unless a miracle worker comes in to take the managers job. Financially they're in a mess and I just wonder if there are more skeletons in the cupboard.

They say they have had an offer for the club excepted but who is the interested party and do they have the best interests of the club at heart. As long as any new owner can tell the NL that the ball is round and you start the game with 11 players then you'd expect that "governance"" would not be allowed to get in the way.

You could say that when they where doing well their support lapped it up and now should take the rough with the smooth regardless but clearly one man has once again put a football club that means something to 2,000 or so people in real jeopardy, surely that can't be right..

I genuinely fear for Scunnys survival as a football club and that is very very sad. As a Town fan I would happily see them dropping down the leagues but I don't want them to die.

The problem they have, as I see it, is that they no longer own their ground. They have no assets per se, as the team is worth nothing. I doubt running costs are covered by their ever decreasing gate receipts which will eventually lead to laying off of back room staff, then the players will stop getting paid, leading to administration and points deduction. Administration would also end in a winding up order as there is nothing to sell to pay off the debt. I don't know how Swann persuaded the National League that Scunny would be able to fulfill their fixtures, I also don't know how he can expect to sell the club, minus stadium, for anything more than £10. Scunny are well and truly in the excrement and, in my opinion, destined to be the next Bury.

The only reason Fenty didn't do the same to Town was because the ground, or the land it's on wasn't worth anything like the value of Glanford Park, and he got found out early enough for something to be done. Towns fanbase eventually got organised and there was a concerted effort to get Fenty out. Scunny fans are still in shock and need to get themselves organised pretty sharpish. Good luck to them because they need it. Time is running out.

Quoted from toontown

Didn't make wilfully destructive decisions?

How about trying to get a known thief and fraudster involved with the ownership of the club?

The Clincher for me was when one of our directors said May didn't do anything that bad . That made my mind up the our Directors were not the sort of people I wanted to be associated with a football club that is the heartbeat of the community

Quoted from Mariner_09

I think those comparing Swann to Fenty are actually harsh on JF. Yes, JF made some absolutely shocking decisions, decisions he refused to accept were wrong and did irreparable damage on numerous occasions. However, he didn’t make wilfully destructive decisions like Swann has done. Fenty never pensioned off the ground to himself or lost total interest. We never fell to these depths as he never pulled all funding in the way Swann has. I’m not for a second saying Fenty was a good owner, just that he’s not as bad as Swann.

Regards Scunny, the situation short and long term is bleak. Short term, unless there is a takeover and then massive investment in the squad in January, they look doomed for consecutive relegations already. I thought they’d struggle but not this badly this quickly. I’m not sure sacking Hill will make any difference as who else is going to want that job? It’s a poisoned chalice.

Long term, their issues (unlike ours) can’t just be solved with a takeover, the prospect of ground sharing must be terrifying. How on earth could they possibly rebuild if they were ground sharing with Brigg or whoever?

There is some comedy value in them spending a year or two in the NLN, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Humberside coverage stopped in that circumstance. However, I wouldn’t wish oblivion on them. Firstly, it seems eminently possible given their situation and what goes around comes around. It’s our time in the sun now but it will go rubbish again sooner or later.

Both were/are killing a club but via different methods. One was a death by a thousand cuts, the other via a guillotine. One is swift and quick, the other slow and painful, and both end in death. Lucky Florence Nightingale has come to Town's aid with enough plasters to start to cover up those cuts and fix the damage.

And off we go yet again with fenty, when will people realise that he’s little more than a spoilt child. Like a child he lives for attention, good or not so good. The only time I really want to see his name mentioned is in a sentence/statement where he agrees to hand back the £200k he extorted from the trust.

Quoted from It Bites

The Clincher for me was when one of our directors said May didn't do anything that bad . That made my mind up the our Directors were not the sort of people I wanted to be associated with a football club that is the heartbeat of the community

Not just a director, a retired solicitor who put £3k of his own money in to become Chairman.

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Quoted from HertsGTFC

I worry for the true supporters of Scunthorpe United. Their team looked doomed to another relegation unless a miracle worker comes in to take the managers job. Financially they're in a mess and I just wonder if there are more skeletons in the cupboard.

They say they have had an offer for the club excepted but who is the interested party and do they have the best interests of the club at heart. As long as any new owner can tell the NL that the ball is round and you start the game with 11 players then you'd expect that "governance"" would not be allowed to get in the way.

You could say that when they where doing well their support lapped it up and now should take the rough with the smooth regardless but clearly one man has once again put a football club that means something to 2,000 or so people in real jeopardy, surely that can't be right..

That could have scuppered our new owners before they started.

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I suspect that the interested bidder will be back when he/she has secured the funds. I think shifting half a dozen copies of the big issue should just about do it.

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I wouldn't be surprised to see negotiations go public if he's playing the kind of games that man he's nothing like used to play.

Listen to him when Ollie Turner mentions Neil Cox though...

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Only 1p to make up a quid but find the last penny.

Did they get to even kick the tyres?

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Did they get to even kick the tyres?

Already sold them.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

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Some good news then on what is a sad day for our nation.

I think he’s worse

Yeah their situation is much worse than even ours was. I think the Conference North might be the least of their worries over the next 12 months.

Quoted from Hagrid

I think he’s worse

I've said this for a long time. Yes, John left us in a state but John never took BP for himself. Holding out for his £1.5m debt and £1m shareholding back was bad and is a lot of money but he destroyed Gainsborough before destroying Scunny.

Had a beer in Lincoln on Tuesday and we got chatting to the Landlord/owner of The Treaty of Commerce.
Think he said was either a season ticket or regular at Gainsborough and was glad to see the back.

The really crazy thing is that he had Hurst and MacAtee at the club. If he had given Hurst the support which Jason has, the Scunts would now have a pretty good team on their books. Certainly better than what they have now, and most likely would have avoided relegation last season.

Ok, so this is all with the benefit of hindsight, but from where I am standing it looks like he didn’t give Hurst the time and money to dig them out of a pretty deep hole.

Quoted from RonMariner

The really crazy thing is that he had Hurst and MacAtee at the club. If he had given Hurst the support which Jason has, the Scunts would now have a pretty good team on their books. Certainly better than what they have now, and most likely would have avoided relegation last season.

Ok, so this is all with the benefit of hindsight, but from where I am standing it looks like he didn’t give Hurst the time and money to dig them out of a pretty deep hole.

There seems to be a continual cycle of appointing a new manager, significantly reducing their budget and then sacking them for failure.

This proof of funds stuff though, these people have passes the 'Fit And Proper Persons Test' but who do they need to prove funds to? If it's Peter Swann, what right does he have to scrutinise peoples finances when he has singlehandedly ruined two local football clubs, leaving his latest one without any assets because it gives him some leverage over the £11m he's lost?

Makes you wonder how much he is asking for. Nothing like £11 million surely? After all, Our owners effectively paid £2.5 million for what is clearly a bigger club.

Quoted from RonMariner

Makes you wonder how much he is asking for. Nothing like £11 million surely? After all, Our owners effectively paid £2.5 million for what is clearly a bigger club.

I suppose his asking price all depends on who owns the ground at the end of it. In his mind, I guess the precedent was set down the road here in Grimsby when the man he's got absolutely nothing in common with (his words, not mine) walked out of failure with all of his money back and £200k profit.

I don't want to see our local rivals go to the wall but I'd love to see Swann go bankrupt. I hope if a new owner comes in, they make the stadium his problem and immediately ground share somewhere else. Gainsborough would be quite a poetic ground share.

Quoted from RonMariner

Makes you wonder how much he is asking for. Nothing like £11 million surely? After all, Our owners effectively paid £2.5 million for what is clearly a bigger club.

Someone on Twitter reckons £8 million which seems insane but isn't the land Glanford Park is on supposed to be really valuable. The land and the ground that the football club don't actually own anymore.....

It looks like Mr Facts Right is issuing red crosses this morning.

Good Morning John, what have you done with that £200k?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Someone on Twitter reckons £8 million which seems insane but isn't the land Glanford Park is on supposed to be really valuable. The land and the ground that the football club don't actually own anymore.....

It’s not as valuable as it used to be, I’d imagine. I haven’t been there in a while but presumably the Debenhams unit remains empty. Can’t be much demand to build new units, and not many people would want to live in a new house there.

I think he’s knackered, as are Scunny, the latter of which makes me very happy, personally.

Quoted from Heisenberg

It’s not as valuable as it used to be, I’d imagine. I haven’t been there in a while but presumably the Debenhams unit remains empty. Can’t be much demand to build new units, and not many people would want to live in a new house there.

I think he’s knackered, as are Scunny, the latter of which makes me very happy, personally.

Site and adjoining land ( car park etc )without stadium or as either out of Town retail or residential development I think is currently in the £3- £4m current value bracket . This still makes it worth more then a non league football club with 2000 gates so I can only see this ending one way

Quoted from RonMariner

The really crazy thing is that he had Hurst and MacAtee at the club. If he had given Hurst the support which Jason has, the Scunts would now have a pretty good team on their books. Certainly better than what they have now, and most likely would have avoided relegation last season.

Ok, so this is all with the benefit of hindsight, but from where I am standing it looks like he didn’t give Hurst the time and money to dig them out of a pretty deep hole.

Aren't we the lucky ones. Without Hurst and McAtee we would probably be having a pint with Chalky before a County game. Thank you Swany for helping us, it's the only decent thing you've done.

Scunny new ground

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The loans for his development in Blackpool are allegedly due…could that force his hand somewhat?

Seeing them lose every week is one thing but seeing them teeter precariously close to extinction is all rather sad. We may laugh at their measly gates but those people love their club and yet again, a despotic owner with no conservation for anything or anyone apart from themselves has ruined a football club.

I’m past caring about rivalry at this stage, there’s a wider problem in football and nobody seems to want to do anything about it, particularly those with the power to do so. How does one meet fit and proper standards without having the money? Surely that’s a key component to meeting the standards?

Quoted from aldi_01

The loans for his development in Blackpool are allegedly due…could that force his hand somewhat?

Seeing them lose every week is one thing but seeing them teeter precariously close to extinction is all rather sad. We may laugh at their measly gates but those people love their club and yet again, a despotic owner with no conservation for anything or anyone apart from themselves has ruined a football club.

I’m past caring about rivalry at this stage, there’s a wider problem in football and nobody seems to want to do anything about it, particularly those with the power to do so. How does one meet fit and proper standards without having the money? Surely that’s a key component to meeting the standards?

And it's not even at our level (or former level, thanks Hursty!) - I saw last week that the head of the Spanish FA wants to talk to EUFA about how the premier league is spending too much money and unsustainable etc etc and he's probably got some great points to make but when we hold up the likes of Barcelona and Real to scrutiny he hasn't got a leg to stand on.

It is mad though how chairmen/board can move club stadium ownership on to other companies they own/are part of and it's not dodgy legally speaking. You'd think the FA (don't laugh) would be all over issues like this, being the custodians of the game and all that.

Neil Cox is speaking to the boys at UndrTheCosh later this week, lots of questions coming through about Scunny so it will be interesting to see what, if anything, he can say about it.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Neil Cox is speaking to the boys at UndrTheCosh later this week, lots of questions coming through about Scunny so it will be interesting to see what, if anything, he can say about it.

Yeah very interesting when you see the vehemence of Swanns reaction to the mere mention of Cox's name on that video someone published the other day.

Quoted from toontown

Yeah very interesting when you see the vehemence of Swanns reaction to the mere mention of Cox's name on that video someone published the other day.

I didn't really read it like that, Cox had said in an interview some people had been in contact with him looking for some contacts who could help with putting together a bid.....that sounded like it was in its infancy.....when Swann was asked in the later interview he said he hadn't had any contact or unaware of a.n other party, which given the very limited detail Cox had sounded viable.
Hope it drags on for years yet.

Rumours afoot that our friends down the a180 could be going into administration after todays game/tomorrow

Scunts losing 1-0 at Altrincham.

2-2 now after Scunny was winning 😂

Admin looks nailed on now

Whilst it's not funny* that Scunny are bottom of the league and looking ever increasingly likely to get relegated again, I do feel for the true fans that will be going through the mill, having the heart ripped out of their club by a shyster.

I didn't actually they didn't own their ground anymore, so they really are in excrement street!

*it's flipping hilarious ;D

Quoted from Lost in Lincoln

Whilst it's not funny* that Scunny are bottom of the league and looking ever increasingly likely to get relegated again, I do feel for the true fans that will be going through the mill, having the heart ripped out of their club by a shyster.

I didn't actually they didn't own their ground anymore, so they really are in excrement street!

For what it's worth even The Leech didn't sell our ground or maybe he never got the opportunity!

*it's flipping hilarious ;D

https://www.football365.com/news/opinion-scunthorpe-united-bottom-national-league-sink-even-lower

Pretty much sums up this thread!

Actually felt sorry for my neighbour even though he took the urine about us, until he said fcuk them and he's going to Leeds now.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Actually felt sorry for my neighbour even though he took the urine about us, until he said fcuk them and he's going to Leeds now.

That just about sums up the typical scunny and Leeds fan!

The sacking of Graham Alexander when 5th in League 1 looks a worse decision now than it did at the time, and it looked a terrible decision back then. They have been in freefall since.

A sign appeared today, professionally made essentially rallying the fans and telling Swann to rightfully intercourse off.

The club/Swann representative sent a reply essentially threatening them, the even more embarrassing thing is they sent it to the wrong person/company…

I’m by no means a scunny fan but as a football fan it’s impossible to not feel angry about the situation. Another unfit idiot buys a club and felicitations it…

It is often said The National League is the hardest league to get out of.
I think Scunthorpe will prove that to be wrong this season.

Quoted from thevera

It is often said The National League is the hardest league to get out of.
I think Scunthorpe will prove that to be wrong this season.

We’ve already proved it’s easy to get out of…

That was easy?
Thank intercourse we didn't do it the hard way

Easy league to get out of ????

Those 3 play off matches nearly did my heart in several times !!

5tockport did it right, but funnily are struggling a bit thus far !

I can't believe The Fishy has a thread with 33 posts about the Scunts. Whatever next?

Quoted from ginnywings

The sacking of Graham Alexander when 5th in League 1 looks a worse decision now than it did at the time, and it looked a terrible decision back then. They have been in freefall since.

They wanted a manager capable of taking them to the prem and thought Alexander wasn’t the man to do it , fortunately they will be playing in the prem next season

Quoted from 123614

I can't believe The Fishy has a thread with 33 posts about the Scunts. Whatever next?

34?

Quoted from 123614

I can't believe The Fishy has a thread with 33 posts about the Scunts. Whatever next?

Page 34.

34 pages, blooming heck they don’t even have 34 members on their forum!

Quoted from Gaffer58

34 pages, blooming heck they don’t even have 34 members on their forum!

They don’t have 34 fans either… that’ll be a good turnout !!!

I understand that when Swan goes they are going to be renamed...

Shorpe United ;D ;D ;D

.... get it?

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

I understand that when Swan goes they are going to be renamed...

Shorpe United ;D ;D ;D

.... get it?

It was good until you had to ask if we got it 😉

I hear the Fat Lady has turned down a gig at Glumford Park!

Really going down the swanney aren't they.

I'll get me coat.

Finally some good news for Scunthorpe fans…

The ridiculous highlights embargo in the National League has been changed. Scunthorpe fans no longer have to wait until 00:00 on Sunday night/Monday morning to see their latest defeat.

Highlights can now be viewed from 18:15 on a Saturday evening when there’s no BT Highlights show and immediately after the show has concluded when there is.

On this day 12 years ago Scunthorpe played Manu in the 3rd round of the League Cup at Glanford Park.

They lost 5-2 but did take the lead.

A week earlier they'd beaten Sheff Utd 4-0 away, which put them 10th in the Championship.

Meanwhile, we drew 0-0 at Gateshead in front of fewer than 1,000 fans.

Three whole leagues between us. That's an almighty swing to where we (and they) are today!

Quoted from RichMariner

On this day 12 years ago Scunthorpe played Manu in the 3rd round of the League Cup at Glanford Park.

They lost 5-2 but did take the lead.

A week earlier they'd beaten Sheff Utd 4-0 away, which put them 10th in the Championship.

Meanwhile, we drew 0-0 at Gateshead in front of fewer than 1,000 fans.

Three whole leagues between us. That's an almighty swing to where we (and they) are today!

Form is temporary but class is permanent and will always show true in the end! ;)

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Finally some good news for Scunthorpe fans…

The ridiculous highlights embargo in the National League has been changed. Scunthorpe fans no longer have to wait until 00:00 on Sunday night/Monday morning to see their latest defeat.

Highlights can now be viewed from 18:15 on a Saturday evening when there’s no BT Highlights show and immediately after the show has concluded when there is.

They'll be over in a flash!

A couple of seasons ago, I wonder how many Scunny fans would have predicted that they'd be welcoming Dorking Wanderers to their ground on Saturday. ;)

Scunthorpe did get some plaudits on talkSPORT, last Sat or the Sat before.

Reported that Scunthorpe had had 34 defeats in the last year (probably calendar year)  but still managed to take 200 fans away for a midweek game.

Overall, they are a perfect example of how football teams fortunes change.  And how they are now finding their natural level when not propped with lots of cash.

They had their moments in the sun, heady days indeed. But the unrealistic financial management by various owners has left them far worse off than they were before the glory days were bought for them.

Yes, they will have some great memories of Championship football and Wembley visits. But these memories came at a terrible price. Before the huge cash injections they had a club which owned its own stadium, was a long established EFL club, and were basically sustainable, albeit as a League Two outfit.

Compare that to their current situation. No stadium, out of the EFL and with the threat of further relegations or administration looming large.

So the question is, was it worth it? Is it better to have a few glory years, even if you crash and burn afterwards? Or is it better to bumble along in the lower reaches but at least face no existential threat?

Thoughts?

It's pretty boring to just trundle along going nowhere decade after decade though.

I believe Town and County are the most promoted/relegated teams in the pyramid which is much more exciting with having something riding on games.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Scunthorpe did get some plaudits on talkSPORT, last Sat or the Sat before.

Reported that Scunthorpe had had 34 defeats in the last year (probably calendar year)  but still managed to take 200 fans away for a midweek game.

Overall, they are a perfect example of how football teams fortunes change.  And how they are now finding their natural level when not propped with lots of cash.

Fortunes can change so easily in life. One day you're the dog, the next day you're the lampost.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Form is temporary but class is permanent and will always show true in the end! ;)

I don't think the word "class" and Scumthorpe belong in the same sentence.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Scunthorpe did get some plaudits on talkSPORT, last Sat or the Sat before.

Reported that Scunthorpe had had 34 defeats in the last year (probably calendar year)  but still managed to take 200 fans away for a midweek game.

Overall, they are a perfect example of how football teams fortunes change.  And how they are now finding their natural level when not propped with lots of cash.

The 200 fans is a bit of a misnomer, 100 wanted to go, the other 100 didn’t. The drawbacks of being conjoined eh.

Quoted from RonMariner

They had their moments in the sun, heady days indeed. But the unrealistic financial management by various owners has left them far worse off than they were before the glory days were bought for them.

Yes, they will have some great memories of Championship football and Wembley visits. But these memories came at a terrible price. Before the huge cash injections they had a club which owned its own stadium, was a long established EFL club, and were basically sustainable, albeit as a League Two outfit.

Compare that to their current situation. No stadium, out of the EFL and with the threat of further relegations or administration looming large.

So the question is, was it worth it? Is it better to have a few glory years, even if you crash and burn afterwards? Or is it better to bumble along in the lower reaches but at least face no existential threat?

Thoughts?

To be fair, their glory years don’t really have anything to do with their current plight. Their three seasons in the Championship were under the ownership of Steve Wharton and were more or less sustainable.

They had a brilliant record over several years of buying players for next to nothing and selling them on for millions. Billy Sharp, Andy Keogh, Martin Paterson and Gary Hooper to name just a few off the top of my head. They also did some smart loan deals for the likes of Jermaine Beckford.

Hard though it was to admit at the time, their ascent was somewhat of a fairytale.

It was only in 2012 that Peter Swann bought the club and things, gradually, went south. You can see it now; he saw a club capable of Championship football going cheap, sat on land worth millions at the time and the opportunity to move the ground to a nearby development.

Piece of píss right. Get the club steadily in the Championship, move to a posh new ground, sell the land from the old ground and sell the club for a 7 figure profit, whilst walking off into the sun an all time Scunny legend. All sorts of narcissism at play.

He then continued to chase the dream by pumping millions in to try and get back into the second tier and on plans for a doomed new stadium, with no repayment plan in mind whatsoever. Like a gambling addict chasing his last bet, only on a massive scale and with someone else’s property as deposit.

Then, once he realised his cash cow wasn’t fit to go to market, he pulled the plug, attempting to stem his already heavy losses. And now they are utterly, utterly fúcked.

It could have been us.

Interesting. Looks like their success was largely down to outstanding recruitment. I wonder who was behind that? It stated under Laws, so the sliding doors question is whether we would have signed Sharp and the rest if he had stayed with us longer!

Lee Turnbull was head of recruitment at the time. He’s now back at the club as COO but there’s only so much you can do with next to no money to spend.

There is one other missing part to the story one word Wilkos.

Quoted from RonMariner

Interesting. Looks like their success was largely down to outstanding recruitment. I wonder who was behind that? It stated under Laws, so the sliding doors question is whether we would have signed Sharp and the rest if he had stayed with us longer!

Laws loved a rough diamond, his words, when he was here. Wrack and Southall are just two players who he signed and went onto have decent careers at higher levels than we languished for long periods, yet failed to really make impressions here. Maybe too soon in their careers.

Then again he did sign Ashley Fickling and identified Vance Warner as a future superstar...

Rumors on the IronBru site that the Scunts are to sell leading scorer John Nuttall to Oldham. If true they really are in the mire.

Quoted from RonMariner

Rumors on the IronBru site that the Scunts are to sell leading scorer John Nuttall to Oldham. If true they really are in the mire.

Pretty sure he turned them down

Quoted from HerveJosse

There is one other missing part to the story one word Wilkos.

Gutted that is closing down on St Peter's Ave, gutted.

Sadly, I can't see them being relegated. There's alot of teams struggling in the NL at the moment and I just think Scunthorpe will recruit just enough points to keep their heads above the relegation zone. A shame really.

Interim manager Tony Daws seems to be talking sense into a poor squad. I think they will survive the drop but may go into administration which may bring another problem to the table

My mate reckons they’ll bust a gut to rack up some points but they’ll go in to administration which will ultimately see them head back in to the relegation zone…

Quoted from RonMariner

Interesting. Looks like their success was largely down to outstanding recruitment. I wonder who was behind that? It stated under Laws, so the sliding doors question is whether we would have signed Sharp and the rest if he had stayed with us longer!

Billy Sharp didn't appear on the scene for another 10 years. Talented young players have options so you have to have something to offer them such as an evidenced pathway and a decent wage. Scunny did that superbly for a few years.

It gives me no pleasure to see Scunthorpe in such a mess. A football league club is so important for a community and a healthy rivalry with nearby neiighbours brings additional interest. We could so easily be in siuch a dire situation if there had not been a change of ownership. We should count our blessings and wish Scunthorpe well.

Fűck the daft sCunts
Long may the turmoil continue.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

It gives me no pleasure to see Scunthorpe in such a mess. A football league club is so important for a community and a healthy rivalry with nearby neiighbours brings additional interest. We could so easily be in siuch a dire situation if there had not been a change of ownership. We should count our blessings and wish Scunthorpe well.

At the end of the day someone has to be relegated from each division so why not Scunny? I've said before I don't want them to go out of business but to be relegated again isn't a problem for me :) UTM

I hope they get relegated but that’s a sentiment that I have in regard to them every season to be honest.

The lad who’s currently the caretaker seems to have rallied them and talks a lot more sense than Keith Hill, then again Mad Jack McMad makes more sense than that clown.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I hope they get relegated but that’s a sentiment that I have in regard to them every season to be honest.

The lad who’s currently the caretaker seems to have rallied them and talks a lot more sense than Keith Hill, then again Mad Jack McMad makes more sense than that clown.

Oh, I don't know, I quite liked him. He was doing a sterling job.

They should appoint Holloway. Him and Swann, the dream team.

For Town fans that is.

406 to Oldham last night. Can't knock that - almost 20% of their current home crowds. Puts Lincoln to shame - they only get above 1,000 for local games on a Saturday.

406 is unreal really considering the situation they're in. Fair play to them

Quoted from lukeo

406 is unreal really considering the situation they're in. Fair play to them

I think a tough spell in non-league can focus fans' minds a bit.

It happened to us. Our fanbase was rejuvenated during our first spell there by the shared goal of returning to the Football League, the culture around our away games was (and still is) incredible. It humbled us too, no longer did we believe we were too big to go down. We realised we were going to need substantial change to catch up to the forward-thinking clubs that had surpassed us.

If Scunny can somehow escape their current crisis and find some new owners (and keep their ground), they might end up being thankful for the experience.

South Shields ................. :) :)

Their Bath City moment.

It was funny listening to them on Humberside this evening!!
They seem to be under the impression it can't get any worse, but I think they're potentially under estimating the situation

Sadly for them, the biggest upset of the round would have been Scunny beating Sth Shields.
It's that bad.

Quoted from buckstown

It was funny listening to them on Humberside this evening!!
They seem to be under the impression it can't get any worse, but I think they're potentially under estimating the situation

South Shields are one League above Cleethorpes Town sand Four places above Gainsborough Trinity in their league so I think that’s pretty bad.

Absolutely intercourse Scunny.
If they didn't see something along these lines lines happening they're even more flipping thick than I've always credited them with being, and deserve it richly.
Still hope they don't go out of business btw, but the deluded sharp objects thought their business model was solid, losing 20-50k per week with 2kish attendances, alarm bells should have been ringing 10 years ago, not 18 months, morons...

Quoted from coddy60

Absolutely intercourse Scunny.
If they didn't see something along these lines lines happening they're even more flipping thick than I've always credited them with being, and deserve it richly.
Still hope they don't go out of business btw, but the deluded sharp objects thought their business model was solid, losing 20-50k per week with 2kish attendances, alarm bells should have been ringing 10 years ago, not 18 months, morons...

My thoughts exactly

Quoted from crusty ole pie

My thoughts exactly

Me too. They gambled heavily and lost big time!

Feck scunny let them drop a bit more I say .. all this community talk and rivalry blah blah my memory is good they wished extinction on us in our dark days feck em ATAW

Let’s be kind to the Scunts. At least they didn’t drop any points this weekend!

Their Chasetown moment…

It did make me smile when I saw South Shields nickname……. The Mariners 🙂

Quoted from HertsGTFC

It did make me smile when I saw South Shields nickname……. The Mariners 🙂

Wonderful! Our tribute band beat them!

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Feck scunny let them drop a bit more I say .. all this community talk and rivalry blah blah my memory is good they wished extinction on us in our dark days feck em ATAW

My thoughts exactly! I don't want them to go out of business but a couple of more relegations would see them at a level they deserve. And it might teach a few of their most arrogant and vociferous supporters a lesson in humility after all the abuse thrown at us when we went non-league

Quoted from rancido

My thoughts exactly! I don't want them to go out of business but a couple of more relegations would see them at a level they deserve. And it might teach a few of their most arrogant and vociferous supporters a lesson in humility after all the abuse thrown at us when we went non-league

Gold star from me 👍

Quoted from rancido

My thoughts exactly! I don't want them to go out of business but a couple of more relegations would see them at a level they deserve. And it might teach a few of their most arrogant and vociferous supporters a lesson in humility after all the abuse thrown at us when we went non-league

Exactly. What goes around comes around.

Lived here for almost 20 years.

In that time I only know a handful of people who go and watch Scunny regularly.

Their fans lorded over us in our struggles so whilst I would not wish them to disappear there is still a lot further they can drop and struggle.

A local league derby v Gainsborough would be nice. Or even better a trip down to my local club Bottesford Town would be marvellous. I would even go to that game myself.

They took over 400 to South Shields which is remarkable. We may take pish out of their current plight but that is outstanding loyalty.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

They took over 400 to South Shields which is remarkable. We may take pish out of their current plight but that is outstanding loyalty.

Fools and their money…..

To be fair to them they recruited quite good with what little they had but they are very poor with out Apter and Butterfield. Both are quality but I don't expect either to be there after January

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

They took over 400 to South Shields which is remarkable. We may take pish out of their current plight but that is outstanding loyalty.

I think you mean 'Blind Loyalty'.

Sometimes I feel sorry for them then I remember the morons coming on here trying to take the. urine.

So sod them they will be down there for a long time and deservedly so.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Sometimes I feel sorry for them then I remember the morons coming on here trying to take the. urine.

So sod them they will be down there for a long time and deservedly so.

There's a guy on You Tube, goes under the name of "Iron Army". He seems to go to every game, home and away, as he always posts a vlog. Quite funny to watch them at times, especially the time they lost 4-3 having been 3-0 up.

Do I feel sorry for fans like that who go every game? Nah, sod them, I doubt they were feeling sorry for me when I was stood on the terrace watching us lose to Chasetown!

Somewhat of a 6-pointer at Glanford Park as second-bottom Scunny host fourth-bottom Gateshead in front of, quite possibly, a sub-2,000 crowd.

Coming off the the back of 1-0 and 3-0 defeats to South Shields and Southend, defeat tonight would be confirmation that the chink of light they had seen at the end of tunnel was indeed a train.

If they lose that, then I don't see any hope of survival. Sort of game you have to win when you're down the bottom.

For once, I'll be hoping Scunny win tonight, as I have them in my 6-fold accumulator!

Yeah if they lose tonight they are down . I know it's early days but 6 wins in a season and a 3rd suggests they're fooked anyway

Quoted from It Bites

Yeah if they lose tonight they are down . I know it's early days but 6 wins in a season and a 3rd suggests they're fooked anyway

It's worse than that even. They won 1 of the last 16 games of our relegation season.

If that season had lasted 3-4 more games, we'd almost certainly have stayed up at their expense.

That's 7 wins in the last 76 games all told, which is absolutely appalling.

Quoted from It Bites

Yeah if they lose tonight they are down . I know it's early days but 6 wins in a season and a 3rd suggests they're fooked anyway

Dont be so daft. Complete overstatement. Nobody is down October. They’ve got 30 games or summat, as gloomy as the signs look.

I've been coaching at Keele Uni to help a friend out recently and discovered one of their players is from Scunny (albeit not for a very long time). When he realized I was a town fan and the urge to kick him ended, we started talking. He's genuinely worried for the club's survival (and existence) and said he honestly thinks the only good thing they've got going for them this season is their home kit as it has a nice collar.

I laughed and he said he was being serious. He said what they've got in Swann is the same as what we had in Fenty. The only difference is they're in deeper excrement because at least we owned our ground when he sold the club and he can easily see Swann not selling the ground back and charging large amounts of rent for it while he continues to try and turn it into a housing estate.

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

I've been coaching at Keele Uni to help a friend out recently and discovered one of their players is from Scunny (albeit not for a very long time). When he realized I was a town fan and the urge to kick him ended, we started talking. He's genuinely worried for the club's survival (and existence) and said he honestly thinks the only good thing they've got going for them this season is their home kit as it has a nice collar.

I laughed and he said he was being serious. He said what they've got in Swann is the same as what we had in Fenty. The only difference is they're in deeper excrement because at least we owned our ground when he sold the club and he can easily see Swann not selling the ground back and charging large amounts of rent for it while he continues to try and turn it into a housing estate.

Thank goodness, for a sensible comment on this topic. Some of the previous comments have been shameful. Yes, there may have been a few idiots on this board goading us when we were in trouble but that is no reason to wish bad tidiings on all the fans of SUFC. The genuine fans of Scunthorpe will be going through hell at the state of their club. They are in troublke because of bad decisions from the directors/owner etc. We had the same and were heading for oblivion before the new owners took over. People in greenhouses should not throw stones and rather remember this is a fragile sport. We are doing well but shoudl not be compalcent about it lasting for ever. And I stick to my point that three strong FL teams in Lincolsnhrie is good for the county and would be even better if there were six derby games every season to bring in cash. Healthy rivalry - yes. Slagging off and wishing the demise of a rival- no. UTM

Quoted from hampshiremariner

Thank goodness, for a sensible comment on this topic. Some of the previous comments have been shameful. Yes, there may have been a few idiots on this board goading us when we were in trouble but that is no reason to wish bad tidiings on SUFC. The genuine fans of Scunthorpe will be going through hell at the state of their club. They are in troublke because of bad decisions from the directors/owner etc. We had the same and were heading for oblivion before the new owners took over. People in greenhouses should not throw stones and remember this is a fragile sport. We are doing well but shoudl not be compalcent about it lasting for ever. And I stick to my point that three strong FL teams in Lincolsnhrie is good for the county and would be even better if there were six derby games every season to bring in cash. UTM

I miss our derby matches with the gimps and scunny, it would be funny to see th drop further though, although they seem to always spawn Thier way out of the shite somehow, I get what your saying about Thier genuine fans and I respect that they support scunny when it would be so much easier to follow a bigger , better supported,more successful club like............winterton rangers.😘
So to sum up, be careful on your way up who you kick, like they did to us big time, and not just one or two of them it was loads, I wonder how many of them who came on here gloating are still going to watch them?

Quoted from Phil the cod

So to sum up, be careful on your way up who you kick, like they did to us big time, and not just one or two of them it was loads, I wonder how many of them who came on here gloating are still going to watch them?

Fair comment, however .... whilst you were getting beat against fellow non-league regulars Barrow, The Imps were beating one of your 'traditional rivals' Barnsley at Oakwell, barely a few days after almost doing the same to Sheff Wednesday.

So that's unbeaten against Derby 2-0, Ipswich 1-0 (at Portman Road) Barnsley 1-0 (at Oakwell) Charlton 0-0 and Wednesday 1-1, still in all 3 Cup competitions also .... not bad for relegation favourites, with a brand new young squad gelling nicely is it?

Who invited you to the party? ;)

I'd like scunthorpe to go down. I have nothing against Lincoln nor care what they do so well done for some good results

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Fair comment, however .... whilst you were getting beat against fellow non-league regulars Barrow, The Imps were beating one of your 'traditional rivals' Barnsley at Oakwell, barely a few days after almost doing the same to Sheff Wednesday.

So that's unbeaten against Derby 2-0, Ipswich 1-0 (at Portman Road) Barnsley 1-0 (at Oakwell) Charlton 0-0 and Wednesday 1-1, still in all 3 Cup competitions also .... not bad for relegation favourites, with a brand new young squad gelling nicely is it?

You're back, and with a little dig about fellow non league regulars. We've been in non league twice, as have you if I remember correctly. In fact, didn't you lot blaze the trail for us some decades ago?

Lincoln must be doing well then.

Quoted from promotion plaice

You have to feel for the genuine fans though, we've been there, I'll say no more.

Scary at there fall from grace in a relative short period of time eg championship football not that long ago.

Classic, few good results for Lincoln and the usual crawl out the woodwork.

Don't worry Aryan, we all remember your massive hissy fit as a grown adult when Lincoln got relegated and you cuddled up to your brand new Man City duvet set to console yourself.

Quoted from ginnywings

You're back, and with a little dig about fellow non league regulars. We've been in non league twice, as have you if I remember correctly. In fact, didn't you lot blaze the trail for us some decades ago?

Lincoln must be doing well then.

Yep, they were pioneers decades ahead of the recent trend : Lincoln were relegated to the Fourth Division at the end of the 1985–86 season, and the year after that they became the first team to suffer automatic relegation from the Football League

I've always been puzzled by the imps fetish for gtfc, I didn't even know we were supposed to be rivals until I moved there

Crikey how many Grimsby fans live in and around Lincoln!
Always seems quite a lot - Genuine question, I am not sure that many Lincoln fans would move to Grimsby?

As for Lincoln, loads on here said we would be bottom, relegation certainties, inexperienced manager, bubble had burst, and quite a few suggesting that you would pass us as you romp L2. Not quite working out that way at the moment, is it? Certainly not here to gloat as I know how fragile form is, Lincoln are in good form, I think Mark Kennedy has lost 4 games in 18, although a few too many draws, but back to back wins at Portman road and Oakwell are a step in the right direction. We keep producing valuable players which is also helping with our model. We certainly have a few on our books at the minute who will make us a profit.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Classic, few good results for Lincoln and the usual crawl out the woodwork.

Don't worry Aryan, we all remember your massive hissy fit as a grown adult when Lincoln got relegated and you cuddled up to your brand new Man City duvet set to console yourself.

Glorious retort, that’s more like it …. it’s comforting to know some of the East Coast Scousers haven’t lost their sense of humour and are quick to bite at any mention of their alleged ‘massiveness’.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Crikey how many Grimsby fans live in and around Lincoln!
Always seems quite a lot - Genuine question, I am not sure that many Lincoln fans would move to Grimsby?

As for Lincoln, loads on here said we would be bottom, relegation certainties, inexperienced manager, bubble had burst, and quite a few suggesting that you would pass us as you romp L2. Not quite working out that way at the moment, is it? Certainly not here to gloat as I know how fragile form is, Lincoln are in good form, I think Mark Kennedy has lost 4 games in 18, although a few too many draws, but back to back wins at Portman road and Oakwell are a step in the right direction. We keep producing valuable players which is also helping with our model. We certainly have a few on our books at the minute who will make us a profit.

'In and around Lincoln' is a lot easier than in and around Grimsby.  There's water to two of the sides of Grimsby/Cleethorpes and Lincoln's a lot more accessible for other places.  Let's not beat around the bush, you're trying to dig out the old 'oh, Lincoln's better..' line.  Is it?  I mean, really?  It depends what your definition of better is.  I live just outside Lincoln now and to be honest, it's ok.  The Bailgate area is nice if not a bit pretentious.  The actual city centre is far better than the town centre of Grimsby, you've actually got shops for a start.  The rest of the city is largely a shithole, like every other town and city really. Last week I was caught in traffic on Outer Circle and had to laugh at a couple of absolute cretins strutting about, high as a kite and blaring happy hardcore out of their oversized, most likely stolen, bluetooth speaker.  Not all about the Castle and the Cathedral is it... Good and bad everywhere.  There are parts of Grimsby, Cleethorpes, Lincoln, Nottingham....everywhere that are good and bad.

Where I am is nice and quiet, it's far enough away from the city itself to not be busy but if you want to be anywhere of note you're facing traffic and hold-ups. Pain in the bottom and it still pisses me off that it doesn't matter what time you get on the bypass it crawls and it doesn't matter what time of the day you venture anywhere Hykeham and it's an even slower crawl.  Compare that with Grimsby/Cleethorpes where everything is within easy reach and comparatively non-existent traffic.  Right on the coast, much closer to decent countryside...damn sight cheaper too.

The nature of Grimsby/Cleethorpes is that it's isolated.  People don't pass through, they either move for a purpose or they don't.  Lincoln is simply more accessible and is a University city.  Within an hour you can be in Sheffield, Nottingham, halfway to London, quite simply it's better located and closer to a lot more jobs.  That's the major reason you'll see more people going south on the A46 than the south, it's not because Lincoln is a better place to live.

Regards the actual football team, I thought you looked really poor in pre-season and was one of those who thought you'd struggle.  Very surprised to see you're sat in mid-table with a game in hand.  I've not seen any of your games or aware of how well you're playing, but what I would say is (just like us) you're only a few wins from the promotion places just like you are a few defeats from nervously looking over your shoulder.

Quoted from Les Brechin

For once, I'll be hoping Scunny win tonight, as I have them in my 6-fold accumulator!

I'd have been rolling in it, if the other 5 matches had come in! :)

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Glorious retort, that’s more like it …. it’s comforting to know some of the East Coast Scousers haven’t lost their sense of humour and are quick to bite at any mention of their alleged ‘massiveness’.

Whilst I believe there is a Liverpool fanbase in Grimsby, I think it's Leeds historically that has held a stronghold in this neck of the woods.

Personally, my only flirtation with another side was when I was 5 and was fascinated by the all conquering Liverpool side of the mid to late 1980's. Thankfully I came to my senses upon going to my first Town game. A 3-2 home defeat to Maidstone in 1989, their only season in the Football League I believe.

To be honest, I'm still a bit embarrassed by that brief dalliance as a glory supporter, even if I knew no better at 5 and that the vast majority of young children are drawn to a 'big' club.

I find it a bit weird if you go through that process in your, what, mid-40's? But hey, I'm not going to judge you. After all, who wouldn't be wooed by that Sergio Aguero matching slipper and dressing gown set. I promise, you don't look daft at all!

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Glorious retort, that’s more like it …. it’s comforting to know some of the East Coast Scousers haven’t lost their sense of humour and are quick to bite at any mention of their alleged ‘massiveness’.

You threw a tantrum on the forum. You bawled that you'd had enough of Lincoln, you were going over to Citeh and off you flounced.
Going back to them after gaining promotion is the stuff of plastic, glory hunting fandom.
Your view on 'massiveness' and anything else is embarrassing and worthless.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Whilst I believe there is a Liverpool fanbase in Grimsby, I think it's Leeds historically that has held a stronghold in this neck of the woods.

Personally, my only flirtation with another side was when I was 5 and was fascinated by the all conquering Liverpool side of the mid to late 1980's. Thankfully I came to my senses upon going to my first Town game. A 3-2 home defeat to Maidstone in 1989, their only season in the Football League I believe.

To be honest, I'm still a bit embarrassed by that brief dalliance as a glory supporter, even if I knew no better at 5 and that the vast majority of young children are drawn to a 'big' club.

I find it a bit weird if you go through that process in your, what, mid-40's? But hey, I'm not going to judge you. After all, who wouldn't be wooed by that Sergio Aguero matching slipper and dressing gown set. I promise, you don't look daft at all!

An Imp since my first game away at Mansfield as a birthday treat in 75’ (we lost 1-3) and City since 78’ v West Brom (2-2 draw at Maine Road) … and yes I do have photographic proof and both the programmes, so I’ve always been a 2 team banker* and not a ‘mid life’ crisis as you suggest.

Anyway, why this hatred towards harmless little Scunny, who we’ve always looked upon as being the same size as say Boston?

Quoted from NorfolkImp

An Imp since my first game away at Mansfield as a birthday treat in 75’ (we lost 1-3) and City since 78’ v West Brom (2-2 draw at Maine Road) … and yes I do have photographic proof and both the programmes, so I’ve always been a 2 team banker* and not a ‘mid life’ crisis as you suggest.

Anyway, why this hatred towards harmless little Scunny, who we’ve always looked upon as being the same size as say Boston?

Not quite always though, eh?

I don't think most people have hatred towards Scunny. I think at best it's merely a passing interest, potentially based on their gloating when we went down. Similar to the gloats from Sincil Bank in 2010 that were returned with glee a year later.

Local bragging rights aside, I'd like to see all local teams do well with Town doing the best.

Bloody hell, can you guys grow up and dump this “My Dads bigger than your Dad crap”?

For heaven’s sake.

back on topic - 2338 was the massive gate for the relegation 6 pointer & 9 goals in 15 for Nuttall ( Hurst wouldn't ,would he?)

Quoted from forza ivano

back on topic - 2338 was the massive gate for the relegation 6 pointer & 9 goals in 15 for Nuttall ( Hurst wouldn't ,would he?)

Tbh their attendances are holding up pretty well considering, and I was surprisingly impressed at how many travelled up to South Shields for their FA Cup tie recently.

Lincoln is of course our oldest derby. Both Founder members of 2nd division, we are the oldest “Town”, they are the oldest “City”. Even Hull are Jonny come lately compared to us 2.

They are most definitely a local rival in my book.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Lincoln is of course our oldest derby. Both Founder members of 2nd division, we are the oldest “Town”, they are the oldest “City”.

On another level its quite impressive when you think Grimsby are older than some of the big boys now eg Manchester City .

Quoted from Rick12

On another level its quite impressive when you think Grimsby are older than some of the big boys now eg Manchester City .

The biggest Town v City derby - Ipswich Town and Norwich City didn't happen in the Football League until the late 1930's, our first FL derby with Lincoln was 1892. So we have the original "El Grassico". Of course, they are the only FL clubs in the respective counties hence their really big crowds. Although neither urban area is that much bigger than GY/Clee and Lincoln if you are from Norfolk and like football you will support Norwich and same for Suffolk and Ipswich.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

The biggest Town v City derby - Ipswich Town and Norwich City didn't happen in the Football League until the late 1930's, our first FL derby with Lincoln was 1892. So we have the original "El Grassico". Of course, they are the only FL clubs in the respective counties hence their really big crowds. Although neither urban area is that much bigger than GY/Clee and Lincoln if you are from Norfolk and like football you will support Norwich and same for Suffolk and Ipswich.

Interesting information. By the way I like how you put that eg "El Grassico"😁👍🙂.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Fair comment, however .... whilst you were getting beat against fellow non-league regulars Barrow, The Imps were beating one of your 'traditional rivals' Barnsley at Oakwell, barely a few days after almost doing the same to Sheff Wednesday.

So that's unbeaten against Derby 2-0, Ipswich 1-0 (at Portman Road) Barnsley 1-0 (at Oakwell) Charlton 0-0 and Wednesday 1-1, still in all 3 Cup competitions also .... not bad for relegation favourites, with a brand new young squad gelling nicely is it?

Pardon my ignorance but how do you manage to type if you have the webbed hands from Norfolk and the 6 fingers from gimpville? Do you have something that resembles grotbags’ nose and have to head butt the keyboard

I can't believe we have a 43-page thread about Scunthorpe!

I can't believe we have a 44-page thread about Scunthorpe!

It was only 3 pages long until you stuttered! ;D

Quoted from diehardmariner

It was only 3 pages long until you stuttered! ;D

Just wasted a gold star on a post so can only give you a like sorry.

Apparently take over is close . I reckon a good hiding at the hands of free scoring Barnet is even closer

Rumours going around that today is a big day in the Scunny's history and that they have to be sold or will be entering admin. Rumours coming from some ITK Scunny fans, one of which does the Scunny pod and has had Swann on as a guest a few times.

Staff haven’t been paid today. Definitely D-day for them…

Also heard players and staffs wages not paid.

The wages is a very bad sign. Putting my money on Swann claiming he tried to seal a deal but the other side etc etc.

Admin by the end of the week.

Not sure it’s in Swann’s interest to have them enter administration. Would be surprised if that were to be the case.

Quoted from Poojah

Not sure it’s in Swann’s interest to have them enter administration. Would be surprised if that were to be the case.

They owe 250k apparently so I can't imagine he wants to stump that up either. Of course that's a mere drop in the ocean compared to his completely sane valuation of 8M that he is definitely gonna get...

Never a good time when people aren't getting paid.

This also likely means other bills aren't getting paid, local suppliers etc. out of pocket.

Really poor state of affairs if it’s come to that. Beyond the shafting that we got.

Quoted from brigg_mariner

Also heard players and staffs wages not paid.

Apparently all paid now just late.

Quoted from brigg_mariner

Apparently all paid now just late.

‘Late’

Quoted from Poojah

Not sure it’s in Swann’s interest to have them enter administration. Would be surprised if that were to be the case.

Presumably it would be Scunthorpe United Football Club Limited going into administration. Isn’t the real estate owned by Coolsilk Property and Investment Limited?

It's horrendous, it's disgraceful....but come on, down to the real business - when they enter admin and all the players become free agents are there any we would want? I have zero interest in them so wouldn't know personally, although I'm told Nuttall is a half decent striker?

Quoted from 140381

Presumably it would be Scunthorpe United Football Club Limited going into administration. Isn’t the real estate owned by Coolsilk Property and Investment Limited?

IF it is that's even worse I think as they clearly have no big assets to leverage against to get them out of administration by proving there is a viable business.

Shocking really.

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£250k debt needs paying tomorrow apparently

Surely if they’ve found a buyer and it takes until next week to pay it, they’ll extend that deadline though.

Can't see it myself how much is Swann selling for 8 million?

I don't know the actual value but if he wants 8 mill (how much he has lost) i just cant see anyone stumping that much cash for the club. JF couldn't even get 1 person for part 2.5 mil.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

IF it is that's even worse I think as they clearly have no big assets to leverage against to get them out of administration by proving there is a viable business.

Shocking really.

If so it's very ominous. It means that if the club do go into admin or even liquidation, he can sell the land the stadium is on. He would probably get more for that then selling the club itself and it would mean he didn't have to pump any more cash in,

But there are two to three thousand fans that support a football club in Scunthorpe. It should be possible to run a sustainable club at NL level, and probably League 2 with their fan base. It might be that a phoenix club rising from the ashes with fan ownership might be the best outcome at this stage.

Where’s all this information regarding their impending doom sourced from? Can’t see anything on the net regarding non payment of wages, takeovers, debts overdue
Anyone got any real facts?

Quoted from buckstown

Where’s all this information regarding their impending doom sourced from? Can’t see anything on the net regarding non payment of wages, takeovers, debts overdue
Anyone got any real facts?

They were a championship club whose owner had premiership ££££'s in his eyeballs
When he spoke a lot of sh1t came out of his mouth
Now he's off his head thinking the club is worth 8 million.

Eastleigh go 1-0 up against Scunny (Harper 68th minute)

Back in the relegation places as it stands.

FT....Eastleigh 2-0 Scunny.

Scunts out of the relegation places though because Podge scored the winner against Yeovil.

Quoted from promotion plaice

FT....Eastleigh 2-0 Scunny.

Scunts out of the relegation places though because Podge scored the winner against Yeovil.

Incidentally, I’d missed Mark Cooper had rocked up at Yeovil. A career seriously in reverse there.

Just looked at scunnys upcoming fixtures some tough ones to play in the next few weeks. Can only see it getting worse for them.

Quoted from Ashby mariner

Just looked at scunnys upcoming fixtures some tough ones to play in the next few weeks. Can only see it getting worse for them.

I feel for the Scunthorpe fans. Who would have thought in 2008 when they were playing championship football 14 years later they would be flirting with Conference North football.

Quoted from Rick12

I feel for the Scunthorpe fans. Who would have thought in 2008 when they were playing championship football 14 years later they would be flirting with Conference North football.

FUĆK EM!
utm

Quoted from MidnightMariner

FUĆK EM!
utm

There still football fans who love their club like us though. I note as well they've had some big players on their books notably Kevin Keegan in the youth team in the 1967-1968 season.

Quoted from Rick12

There still football fans who love their club like us though. I note as well they've had some big players on their books notably Kevin Keegan in the youth team in the 1967-1968 season.

I've always said I don't want them to go out of business but at the end of the day someone needs to be relegated every season from every division.. So why not them again :)

Quoted from lukeo

I've always said I don't want them to go out of business but at the end of the day someone needs to be relegated every season from every division.. So why not them again :)

I think its going to be tight Lukeo. They do have some useful players on their books though eg Andrew Boyce who was with us. As a defender Ive seen him a few times and thought he was ok. I cant get to see that many Grimsby games but it did surprise me a bit that he wasn't kept on ?.

Boyce looked the part due to his imposing stature, but never played the part very well, from what I recall.

Quoted from Poojah

Incidentally, I’d missed Mark Cooper had rocked up at Yeovil. A career seriously in reverse there.

Yes, Chris Hargreaves only lasted 5 months as manager there.

Quoted from Rick12

I feel for the Scunthorpe fans. Who would have thought in 2008 when they were playing championship football 14 years later they would be flirting with Conference North football.

They'd be/were delighted if/when it was us.

Quoted from Rick12

I feel for the Scunthorpe fans. Who would have thought in 2008 when they were playing championship football 14 years later they would be flirting with Conference North football.

We went from playing in Division One to the Conference in 7 years. 2003-2010.

Quoted from Rick12

There still football fans who love their club like us though. I note as well they've had some big players on their books notably Kevin Keegan in the youth team in the 1967-1968 season.

Keegan played three seasons in Scunny’s first team, over 120 appearances.

Quoted from Rick12

There still football fans who love their club like us though. I note as well they've had some big players on their books notably Kevin Keegan in the youth team in the 1967-1968 season.

5ft 8in ( keegan ) not exactly a BIG player 😉

Quoted from Rick12

There still football fans who love their club like us though. I note as well they've had some big players on their books notably Kevin Keegan in the youth team in the 1967-1968 season.

5ft 8in ( keegan ) not exactly a BIG player 😉

Quoted from Maringer

Boyce looked the part due to his imposing stature, but never played the part very well, from what I recall.

Thanks for the update Maringer

Quoted from 140381

They'd be/were delighted if/when it was us.

I don't think all fans though Dazza 😉

Quoted from jamesgtfc

We went from playing in Division One to the Conference in 7 years. 2003-2010.

Early days I know James but we were never near the foot of the conference as are Scunthorpe now

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Keegan played three seasons in Scunny’s first team, over 120 appearances.

Thanks Codger.

Quoted from MidnightMariner

5ft 8in ( keegan ) not exactly a BIG player 😉

He had massive thighs though midnight mariner . Remember reading something along the lines of him training with weights on and running up and down the stands to build them up .

Let’s face it, they (scunts) have been shafted and left to well and truly rot. The majority of their players won’t have any kind of allegiance to the cause and will possibly already be looking to jump Sh1t ( 😜 ) at the earliest opportunity. What you have left is office/ground/match day staff that are going to be hit hardest if things don’t work out in an area that has already had its major employer pull the rug from under the towns feet.

As football fans, everyone at every club world wide, wants to get one over their local rivals/arch enemies. It’s nice when ye olde footballing gods shine favourably on us, even more so after a reversal in fortunes. But, what I don’t like is the thought of families this time of year having to worry about the very realistic possibility of impending redundancy. It’s ok to have a laugh at the expense of the team, but, I hope it doesn’t affect those that rely on a wage from the club.

Quoted from DB

They were a championship club whose owner had premiership ££££'s in his eyeballs
When he spoke a lot of sh1t came out of his mouth
Now he's off his head thinking the club is worth 8 million.

Yes. When you think that 1878 bough Grimsby Town for 1 million (the 1.5mil loans were effectively almost totally repaid by transfer income) then £8m looks incredibly optimistic.

OK, so that figure presumably includs the stadium and training ground, but I doubt they stand on more than 8 acres and there is no way land in North Lincs, even with residential planning permission, would be worth anything like £1m an acre. So no easy way to recover the investment if the club folds in the future.

So you would really have to love SUFC and have deep pockets to risk pumping in that sort of cash. But you never know.

I don't wan't to see them disappear. It's good to have a feisty local derby now an again.

Quoted from RonMariner

Yes. When you think that 1878 bough Grimsby Town for 1 million (the 1.5mil loans were effectively almost totally repaid by transfer income) then £8m looks incredibly optimistic.

OK, so that figure presumably includs the stadium and training ground, but I doubt they stand on more than 8 acres and there is no way land in North Lincs, even with residential planning permission, would be worth anything like £1m an acre. So no easy way to recover the investment if the club folds in the future.

So you would really have to love SUFC and have deep pockets to risk pumping in that sort of cash. But you never know.

I don't wan't to see them disappear. It's good to have a feisty local derby now an again.

I'd like to see them drift into the NLN for a year or two, just for the pure comedy value it would bring, but liquidation is one step too far.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Fair comment, however .... whilst you were getting beat against fellow non-league regulars Barrow, The Imps were beating one of your 'traditional rivals' Barnsley at Oakwell, barely a few days after almost doing the same to Sheff Wednesday.

So that's unbeaten against Derby 2-0, Ipswich 1-0 (at Portman Road) Barnsley 1-0 (at Oakwell) Charlton 0-0 and Wednesday 1-1, still in all 3 Cup competitions also .... not bad for relegation favourites, with a brand new young squad gelling nicely is it?

How does losing against the side sitting 20th in the NLS sound?

Quoted from mariner91

How does losing against the side sitting 20th in the NLS sound?

Sounds sweet to me.

Quoted from mariner91

How does losing against the side sitting 20th in the NLS sound?

Poor old Norfolk... ;D

Never mind, let's keep Chippen' away at him(icon_cheesygrin)

24 hours (or 90 minutes) in football is a very long time.....some strange things can happen.

Norfolk Imp keep smiling 😃

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Norfolk Imp keep smiling 😃

All smiles here Micky 😉 …. obviously saving ourselves for The Wurzels and maybe a biggie in Rd 4?

Quoted from NorfolkImp

All smiles here Micky 😉 …. obviously saving ourselves for The Wurzels and maybe a biggie in Rd 4?

Talking of biggies your 2nd team visited us last night .

Score prediction for tonight ?

I'm going for 3-1 to Wrexham. Although if they get a couple of early goals it could be double figures

Quoted from It Bites

Score prediction for tonight ?

I'm going for 3-1 to Wrexham. Although if they get a couple of early goals it could be double figures

Am I right in thinking this game was originally scheduled for TV, and now isn’t? Would have been quite a larf.

Quoted from Poojah

Am I right in thinking this game was originally scheduled for TV, and now isn’t? Would have been quite a larf.

I am hoping The Scunts win tonight
I would prefer Notts or Chesterfield to go up instead of Wrexham

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Scunny back in the relegation places as it stands

The little purple patch they had when Daws first took over is firmly in the rear view mirror.

It’s hard to see them staying up. Wrexham will get at least 5 tonight.

Quoted from Poojah

The little purple patch they had when Daws first took over is firmly in the rear view mirror.

It’s hard to see them staying up. Wrexham will get at least 5 tonight.

Aaaannd Scunny pull one back 11 seconds after I finish positing…

Quoted from always grimsby

I am hoping The Scunts win tonight
I would prefer Notts or Chesterfield to go up instead of Wrexham

Bit weird, but in the back of my mind somewhere I also wanted them to win, one of those little thoughts that makes you feel guilty or dirty and you try block it out, and also feel a bit embarrassed even though you never shared the thought with anyone...

I would love it if Notts or Chesterfield win the league and Wrexham fail again in the play-off semi to Woking, ideally with Podge scoring the winner, or even better to York, with Lennie scoring...

Quoted from It Bites

Score prediction for tonight ?

I'm going for 3-1 to Wrexham. Although if they get a couple of early goals it could be double figures

Good call

Big teams in NL performing much more consistently then last will need 100 points to get automatic promotion .

Quoted from HerveJosse

Big teams in NL performing much more consistently then last will need 100 points to get automatic promotion .

May be they will but means intercourse all to Wrexham, they’ve had that many before and not gone up.

If my other teams get promoted on my lucky 15 then I want Wrexham to win the league. If they don't then I'm happy to lose out on a couple quid to see them fail.

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Talking of biggies your 2nd team visited us last night .

Indeed they did, well done on keeping young Carlos Borges quiet … he netted 4 times versus your 2nd team a few days earlier in ‘another’ 6-1 away win at Leigh (near Manchester)

Imps v Town in the Northern Semi or Final a distinct possibility perhaps?

Lost again today, 1 point off bottom with the 2 teams directly above having game/s in hand.

Bottom of the form table, all is looking good.

Oldham in the relegation places too, though do have games in hand.

I'm fairly sure that there has never been a season when both relegated teams have been relegated again. Could happen this season though.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Oldham in the relegation places too, though do have games in hand.

I'm fairly sure that there has never been a season when both relegated teams have been relegated again. Could happen this season though.

Fred Dibnah II not working out so well so far for them....his slightly disrespectful remarks towards Dorking at the start of the season biting him on the @rse now.

The gift that keeps on giving.

Thank you Scunthorpe. You cheer me up no end.😀

Wish I wasn’t such an old fart and was still working on the steelworks, had to take many years of crap from them I would just love to be there now.

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Dorking style score to come?

Wealdstone 3-1 Scunny.

Player sent-off, 3 game ban I think.

6 points from safety after today.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Wealdstone 3-1 Scunny.

Player sent-off, 3 game ban I think.

6 points from safety after today.

But apart from that.........

A shame taunton are in the conference south... I could have walked to a scunny game next year and laughed.

some Town fan on Humberside innocently asked whether RH would still be covering them if they dropped into conference north ;D ;D ;D ;D

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A shame taunton are in the conference south... I could have walked to a scunny game next year and laughed.

I'd put money on Scunny being in National League NORTH though if they're relegated.

Quoted from forza ivano

some Town fan on Humberside innocently asked whether RH would still be covering them if they dropped into conference north ;D ;D ;D ;D

The answer is seemingly above Burnsy's pay grade but Radio Lincs cover Boston (NLN) and Gainsborough (NPL).

They're doomed to relegation alright . Their form over the last 80 games is staggeringly bad .

But Radio Lincs dont have two other professional teams to cover

If Cleethorpes get promoted, they'll only be 1 league below Scunny

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

If Cleethorpes get promoted, they'll only be 1 league below Scunny

Cleethorpes loaning player/s to Scunny that can't get in the team.

If Carlsberg did loans.

Tony Daws hasn’t done anything there and their plight, even this early in the season doesn’t look good. The boardroom politics is obviously having an adverse effect on the club as a whole and with the threat of administration hanging above glanford park, something needs to happen there and quick.

They could do a lot worse than getting a proven manager like John Askey in to steady the ship. Or at least man the lifeboats!

I guess this could work in our favour. We can send our youngsters to sunny on short term loan deals

At least they've got some easy matches to pick some points up in there next few fixtures. 😉
Notts c
Woking
Yeovil
Chesterfield home and away

Quoted from lukeo

I guess this could work in our favour. We can send our youngsters to sunny on short term loan deals

Problem with that Luke is if they are playing week in week out with a team lacking confidence. It could impact their development and their style of play

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Tony Daws hasn’t done anything there and their plight, even this early in the season doesn’t look good. The boardroom politics is obviously having an adverse effect on the club as a whole and with the threat of administration hanging above glanford park, something needs to happen there and quick.

They could do a lot worse than getting a proven manager like John Askey in to steady the ship. Or at least man the lifeboats!

Would a proven manager like Askey take the Scunny job on though? I doubt it.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Would a proven manager like Askey take the Scunny job on though? I doubt it.

That was part of the point I was trying to make. That they need a manager like Askey.

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

If Cleethorpes get promoted, they'll only be 1 league below Scunny

I’d go to that for a laugh tbf

No way is Askey going there.

The big question is will they go part-time when they get relegated.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

No way is Askey going there.

The big question is will they go part-time when they get relegated.

The bigger question is will they go bust when they get relegated

When Scunny get relegated at least there will be a Lincolnshire derby again, with Boston.

I was watching something by a guy called Simon Sinek the other day where he talked about investors pumping money into businesses to drive massive growth in a short space of time and that there are 1000’s of examples where it doesn’t work, reminds me of the Scunts and quite a few others in football and now egg chasing too.

He then went on to talk about purpose driven growth which feels much more in line with what AP and JS are doing with Town, it takes a bit longer but will stick.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I was watching something by a guy called Simon Sinek the other day where he talked about investors pumping money into businesses to drive massive growth in a short space of time and that there are 1000’s of examples where it doesn’t work, reminds me of the Scunts and quite a few others in football and now egg chasing too.

Reminds me of a documentary I saw not long ago on BBC 2 I think it was tabout QPR. Businessmen with no real interest in the club just wanted to use the club as a way to make money. In the process they sacked a fair few managers as didn't have the patience .Once in the premiership they sold their shares and left.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I was watching something by a guy called Simon Sinek the other day where he talked about investors pumping money into businesses to drive massive growth in a short space of time and that there are 1000’s of examples where it doesn’t work, reminds me of the Scunts and quite a few others in football and now egg chasing too.

He then went on to talk about purpose driven growth which feels much more in line with what AP and JS are doing with Town, it takes a bit longer but will stick.

Obviously didn’t work at Man City! Or Chelsea or Newcastle

Quoted from HerveJosse

Obviously didn’t work at Man City! Or Chelsea or Newcastle

3 examples…3…

Quoted from aldi_01

3 examples…3…

Bournemouth, forest green, Brighton, Leicester,

(Not sure if these are viable though)

Quoted from aldi_01

3 examples…3…

Yes I try not to make the same point repeat the same thing over and over again

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Bournemouth, forest green, Brighton, Leicester,

(Not sure if these are viable though)

Not sure is include Leicester, a club that circumvented financial rules etc.

Bournemouth I have zero time for; FGR, whether we like it or not are a club with a plan and a vision. Perhaps it’s not working on the pitch this season but you have to give them credit for carving out an identity.

Footballs a poor example really of the idea of success; it’s hard to quantify because nowadays success in football is measurable in various ways. Actual business is probably easier, in that you could argue profits and customers or even units shifted indicates success.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Bournemouth, forest green, Brighton, Leicester,

(Not sure if these are viable though)

I think FGR & Brighton are good examples of building over a bit of time, Leicester would probably fall into that and I don't know about Bournemouth other than it looks like they've lived within their means.

Daws is no longer the interim manager. Can never remember an interim manager being changed for another interim manager. That club is finding new ways to be tinpot

Scunthorpe United have confirmed that Daws has decided to stand down and will return to his role as academy manager.

Michael Nelson will take over and will be supported by Paul Musselwhite and Lee Turnbull.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Scunthorpe United have confirmed that Daws has decided to stand down and will return to his role as academy manager.

Michael Nelson will take over and will be supported by Paul Musselwhite and Lee Turnbull.

That reeks of a lack of ambition. Thinking that club stalwarts can take over because "they know the club" very rarely works and is indicative of a club that is accepting of their fate.

Clearly, the chairman isn't throwing any more money at the problem. I reckon they will be relegated again at the end of the season.

Quoted from ginnywings

I reckon they will be relegated again at the end of the season.

The Oracle has spoken 🤪

Unless Scunny get taken over in very short order, ie in time to strengthen the squad significantly in January by paying over the odds for some half decent non league players, I think the dye is cast already. They're 6 points adrift already with no prospect of improving anytime soon.

If Scunthorpe United was a race horse the Swan's would be putting it out to grass.... But it is a football club and they are sending it to the knackers yard !

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Scunthorpe United have confirmed that Daws has decided to stand down and will return to his role as academy manager.

Michael Nelson will take over and will be supported by Paul Musselwhite and Lee Turnbull.

Deck chairs. Titanic. Shuffle.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Deck chairs. Titanic. Shuffle.

Swann sold the deckchairs a few weeks ago.

Isn't Lee Turnbull the CEO? So he's putting cones out at training now aswell?

Farewell Scunts!

It is a sad day as you slip into oblivion. I hope the Pheonix comes soon and breathes fire where it has been missing.

I will miss the Derbies we had. I miss twagging off skool that Wednesday afternoon to see you play Newcastle in the FA Cup. A distant memory now. I miss that year when we we're Champions and you were promoted with us.

I will miss my Old Friend! Those 3:15 kick offs. Could never understand why.

So long then!

Exhiledmeggie, I was also at that FA Cup game, our Brigg school actually ran a bus there, I went and snuck into the Newcastle end, loved it.

Tony Daws has decided to step down from the position of interim first team manager and will return to his role as academy manager.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Scunthorpe United have confirmed that Daws has decided to stand down and will return to his role as academy manager.

Michael Nelson will take over and will be supported by Paul Musselwhite and Lee Turnbull.

Ollie Turner grills a manager on a Saturday and they are gone a couple of days later.

First Keith Hill and now Tony Daws.

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

The Oracle has spoken 🤪

Why the sarcasm?

What I was getting at is that now is the time to act and get in an experienced manager to assess the squad and try to change things in January. They still have time to turn things around.

What they have done is almost throw in the towel and accepted their fate.

9 wins in 85 games .....

From what I remember the 3.15 kick offs were because of the amount of supporters that worked on the Steelworks that worked 6 to 2 shifts and it gave them an extra 15 minutes to get to the game, and also why the evening games kicked off at 7.45 as apposed to 7.30 pm.

Quoted from It Bites

9 wins in 85 games .....

Wow. That is truly spectacular.

Their fans must be in absolute shock.

Incredible as it may seem, on March 24th 2018 they were 5th in League one. But then the owner, in his wisdom, sacked the manager Graham Alexander. It's been downhill ever since.

If Carling did poor decisions......

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Wilko owners took £3m in dividends despite £37m losses.

No wonder they can't run a football club.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/29/wilko-owners-dividends-losses-emergency-funding-sales

Quoted from ginnywings

Why the sarcasm?

Just my way of highlighting we've got 55 pages of posts generally suggesting that is going to happen. No offence meant.

Quoted from DB

Wilko owners took £3m in dividends despite £37m losses.

No wonder they can't run a football club.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/nov/29/wilko-owners-dividends-losses-emergency-funding-sales

Mrs Swann sold her share in 2015.

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2015/07/sale-of-wilko-generates-family-63-pounds/

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

Just my way of highlighting we've got 55 pages of posts generally suggesting that is going to happen. No offence meant.

Fair enough. :)

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Mrs Swann sold her share in 2015.

https://www.retailgazette.co.uk/blog/2015/07/sale-of-wilko-generates-family-63-pounds/

I stand corrected but I assumed from the many posts on The Fishy which inferred the Swanns were still involved with Wilco.

Mrs Swann may be the intelligent one in the marriage in that she new when to get out of Wilco at the right time, whereas Mr Swann hung on at scunny until basically it’s too late to save them, on the other hand “ we’ll done Mr Swann” (ha ha ha)

Well at least we know what Tom Shutes is upto nowadays.....tyre kicking round Scunthorpe 🤣

Quoted from moosey_club

Well at least we know what Tom Shutes is upto nowadays.....tyre kicking round Scunthorpe 🤣

He likes buying Relics well past their sell by date

Basically every proposed commercial property deal is off post the Keaseng/Truss shitshow and the recaibration of borrowing rates.Is this a bad thing for Scunny who mows . Sale to a London based property group could only have meant no ground before long

Think I heard on Sport Talk that the Qatari CEO of the World Cup is a Scunny fan
Sounds like a google search gone wrong

Whatever our local rivalry, it will be terrible for football in this area if Scunthorpe gets relegated again, or go bust or whatever is written in the stars. It is the fans that suffer, lifelong fans who must be really worried.

There for the grace of God etc. but we felt terrible enough during the Fenty years, so imagine how we would feel if we were likely to implode like this.

I hope they pull it round.

I do not want the scunts go to the wall.

I just love it when we beat them.

So hope they get through these difficult times and are available to play us in the league again so we can get a easy six points .

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Whatever our local rivalry, it will be terrible for football in this area if Scunthorpe gets relegated again, or go bust or whatever is written in the stars. It is the fans that suffer, lifelong fans who must be really worried.

There for the grace of God etc. but we felt terrible enough during the Fenty years, so imagine how we would feel if we were likely to implode like this.

I hope they pull it round.

I hope they don’t go bust. I’ve always liked the thought of beating a rival.
Just a thought on the fans that suffer, are they also the ones that have benefited by having players they could not afford play for them, so have watched their team play at a higher level than they should.

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Hope so with Christmas close.

In Swan we trust. I don't want them to go bust. However I'd quite like them to slip down the leagues. End of the day someones got to be relagated.

I've said for some time that Swann is worse than Fenty.

It's Christmas in less than 4 weeks and all their staff are now worrying about their jobs in the middle of a cost of living crisis. Absolute scumbag.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

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Hope so with Christmas close.

I think this is absolutely disgusting. Inflation is now around 11% and a problem for most of us. The staff turn up for work and do their jobs and now have to worry if they are going to get paid. Mortgages, rents, utility bills and not forgetting food costs all have to be paid and it is not the employee's fault.

Once again the owner has show no respect for his staff. You have to feel for them especially as Christmas is just around the corner.

Quoted from DB

I think this is absolutely disgusting. Inflation is now around 11% and a problem for most of us. The staff turn up for work and do their jobs and now have to worry if they are going to get paid. Mortgages, rents, utility bills and not forgetting food costs all have to be paid and it is not the employee's fault.

Once again the owner has show no respect for his staff. You have to feel for them especially as Christmas is just around the corner.

Southend are in a bad way and the land their ground is on is worth a fortune so the owner is playing similar games. I believe staff got 65% of their wages so were either debating or have started doing 65% of the work they are employed to do.

Imagine the players heading into the tunnel as soon the scoreboard reads 58:30?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I've said for some time that Swann is worse than Fenty.

It's Christmas in less than 4 weeks and all their staff are now worrying about their jobs in the middle of a cost of living crisis. Absolute scumbag.

If its this bad this season, when they have full EFL parachute payments and will have sold more season tickets than next, what will it be like next year? Next season it's only half parachute payments, can't recall how much its worth.

If they go down then surely if they don't go straight back up they will be going part time? Maybe even part time next year perhaps, the finances of being full time seem to be creaking

I think we were actually quite fortunate with JF. He may have made a series of shocking managerial appointments, but he did ensure we were run sustainably. He never tried anything like this with the ground, and his heart was actually in the right place. Swann is a hundred times worse, doesn’t help that he’s not a Scunny fan. He’s a complete shyster who I don’t think has a moral fibre in his body. He’s taking Scunny to the dogs and doesn’t give two hoots. M

I know it’s unfashionable to be favourable towards JF but Swann is another level of bad

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I've said for some time that Swann is worse than Fenty.

It's Christmas in less than 4 weeks and all their staff are now worrying about their jobs in the middle of a cost of living crisis. Absolute scumbag.

Much worse. Not a Fenty advocate in any way, as most know well. But Swann has taken Scunny to unrecoverable debt levels. I’ve had the dubious pleasure of being in his company and his arrogance oozes out of every pore. Given how Scunny reacted to our relegation, I struggle to have a lot of sympathy but he has truly f*cked them.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I've said for some time that Swann is worse than Fenty.

It's Christmas in less than 4 weeks and all their staff are now worrying about their jobs in the middle of a cost of living crisis. Absolute scumbag.

Wonder how it would have panned out if the convicted fraudster had invested into the club though ? Perhaps we would have been in a similar situation to the scunts are now.

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I think we were actually quite fortunate with JF. He may have made a series of shocking managerial appointments, but he did ensure we were run sustainably. He never tried anything like this with the ground, and his heart was actually in the right place. Swann is a hundred times worse, doesn’t help that he’s not a Scunny fan. He’s a complete shyster who I don’t think has a moral fibre in his body. He’s taking Scunny to the dogs and doesn’t give two hoots. M

I know it’s unfashionable to be favourable towards JF but Swann is another level of bad

Wake up mate. Letting the place rot and saddling us with unbenign benign loans isn't running the club sustainably. We were steeped in luck that two fans had the money and the will to pay what was in effect a ransom demand. Then there was this bloke named Alex Manynames. Don't recall Swann trying to sell the club to a criminal. Where was John's heart when he tried that stunt? Had that sale gone through we would be exactly where Scunny are now, if not worse.

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Wake up mate. Letting the place rot and saddling us with unbenign benign loans isn't running the club sustainably. We were steeped in luck that two fans had the money and the will to pay what was in effect a ransom demand. Then there was this bloke named Alex Manynames. Don't recall Swann trying to sell the club to a criminal. Where was John's heart when he tried that stunt? Had that sale gone through we would be exactly where Scunny are now, if not worse.

The last set of Scunny accounts (up to June 2021) have carried forward losses of 19.7 million with another year of losses to add. I’d say that’s pretty unsustainable.

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Wake up mate. Letting the place rot and saddling us with unbenign benign loans isn't running the club sustainably. We were steeped in luck that two fans had the money and the will to pay what was in effect a ransom demand. Then there was this bloke named Alex Manynames. Don't recall Swann trying to sell the club to a criminal. Where was John's heart when he tried that stunt? Had that sale gone through we would be exactly where Scunny are now, if not worse.

He couldn’t sell the club to Alex May as he was a convicted criminal who couldn’t be a football club director.

May probably believed Fenty that if he “invested” he’d get millions bank when Fentydone opened.

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Wake up mate. Letting the place rot and saddling us with unbenign benign loans isn't running the club sustainably. We were steeped in luck that two fans had the money and the will to pay what was in effect a ransom demand. Then there was this bloke named Alex Manynames. Don't recall Swann trying to sell the club to a criminal. Where was John's heart when he tried that stunt? Had that sale gone through we would be exactly where Scunny are now, if not worse.

Do we have to eventually measure every event in the world in terms of whether it’s better or worse then Fenty Town. ? No relevance whatsoever to what’s happened at Scunthorpe or what happens to them next .

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Wonder how it would have panned out if the convicted fraudster had invested into the club though ? Perhaps we would have been in a similar situation to the scunts are now.

You do have to wonder but somebody recognised him, tipped off the media and we as fans ensured it wouldn't happen. James Findlater should never buy a drink in this town again, it's a real shame that his subsequent replacements write clickbait drivel.

The stonewall silence from Scunthorpe fans is very worrying. I remember driving home from Boston one night between during that festive period of statements written under the influence of Merlot and Town fans passionately dominated the Fans Forum on Radio Humberside.

Scunthorpe fans need to protest, get tennis balls on the pitch, sing Swann Out songs for 90 minutes, especially in the areas around the press area so that the Humberside microphones can pick it up. Drum up some activity, get some national attention onto their plight to force Swann to give the people of Scunthorpe their club and their ground back.

I know they are our rivals but no club should have owners like him. There are normal people employed by him that rely on the wages he can't be bothered to cover.

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You do have to wonder but somebody recognised him, tipped off the media and we as fans ensured it wouldn't happen. James Findlater should never buy a drink in this town again, it's a real shame that his subsequent replacements write clickbait drivel.

The stonewall silence from Scunthorpe fans is very worrying. I remember driving home from Boston one night between during that festive period of statements written under the influence of Merlot and Town fans passionately dominated the Fans Forum on Radio Humberside.

Scunthorpe fans need to protest, get tennis balls on the pitch, sing Swann Out songs for 90 minutes, especially in the areas around the press area so that the Humberside microphones can pick it up. Drum up some activity, get some national attention onto their plight to force Swann to give the people of Scunthorpe their club and their ground back.

I know they are our rivals but no club should have owners like him. There are normal people employed by him that rely on the wages he can't be bothered to cover.

Another one !

Would China be in a worse position with its Covid policy if Fenty had been in charge?

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Another one !

Would China be in a worse position with its Covid policy if Fenty had been in charge?

Not quite. I'm saying you have to wonder how it would have panned out if Fenty got Alex Whatever he's called this week involved.

I then compared our fan reaction to that move which was the trigger point for so many to the fan reaction down the road.

Part of forming opinions and discussing what is happening at Scunthorpe is offering comparisons.

The financial situation Swann has got Scunthorpe into is disgusting. £2.5m for our club was a lot of money, but at least 1878 inherited a ground for that. The debt/asking price means it needs some crazed fan who is more bonkers than Jason and Andrew to step forward or fantasists like Laurence Bassini and Chris Kirchner.

Beyond that and the only other people remotely interested would be asset strippers like Steve Dale but he would expect to buy the ground for his £1 investment.

Radio Humberside need to be asking serious questions of that puppet Lee Turnbull and forcing Peter Swann to stick his head above the parapet and answer some serious questions from both the media, fans and his own employees.

Last day of month / first day of month .....does anyone have a clue if they have been payed . .....doesn't matter what colour is on the shirt ....they are people trying their best for their family.......God never thought I would say this but the office staff ....the normal ones.... the average Joe's that work there if they haven't been paid I would help them .....we have raised funds for many many good causes ( could you imagine Lisa or any of our office staff not being paid just before Xmas!!

Not sure they will go to the wall ,or even go down .But I feel,they may be l like a few old League clubs who have left the league never to return could be their fate

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Another one !

Would China be in a worse position with its Covid policy if Fenty had been in charge?

I’d suggest you take a real close look at the scunny situation and realise that the mirroring of what happened here is terrifying.

Ironically, the consortium that was favoured by the club will no longer be purchasing the club, guess why? That’s right, it included its very own Alex May type.

I’ve no doubt that had that deal gone through we’d be in exactly the same position.

The numbers may be bigger at scunny but they way the club has been run is a striking similarity to us. We were lucky, and that’s what scunny need. Their situation is getting worse and worse and that’s coupled with a team that literally couldn’t buy a win.

Fans have protested and have made noise but I don’t think we’re in a position to criticise, had town fans mobilised years ago we’d have ousted the idiot well before, instead we just shuffle along and many continued to swallow the nonsense. I suspect similar has happened at scunny, in fact I know it has.

A really close friend goes home and away with them, I’ve known him donkeys years, he keeps my abreast of the situation, it’s bleak but fans have tried to protest, they have made their feelings known but just like when honest John threatened Rob on here, or sent emails threatening legal action, Swann has done the same. I suspect little interest in their protests comes from them being a small town club, little public interest and no famous ex players etc to shout up for them like Bury had…all sad really.

I’ve said it before, I’d rather play and lose to scunny than play shite like Stevenage and Salford.

Fans should boycott home games and try to travel to away games as often as possible. Don't give Swann any money.

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I suspect little interest in their protests comes from them being a small town club, little public interest and no famous ex players etc to shout up for them like Bury had…all sad really.

Kevin Keegan is a two-time Ballon d'Or winner.

He should be front and centre of any protests.

And Ray Clemence's son's wife was married to Jamie Parker in Dream Team.

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DISGRACEFUL !!!!

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They've been sold

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they've been sold

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Good news they're not going bust and that staff will get paid. Let's hope they're still relegated because that would be funny.

Includes the ground too. Great outcome for them. Wonder how much they paid.

They’ll still get relegated

anyone know anything about Elliott and Sharp?

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They’ll still get relegated

Fingers crossed!

Will have a LOT more hope of turning it around than under Swann unfortunately.

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anyone know anything about Elliott and Sharp?

Isn't Elliot the car dealership fella that has previously been involved with their board?

Quoted from forza ivano

anyone know anything about Elliott and Sharp?

They are part of a group of lottery syndicate winners

They are hoping that they can bring about a change in the club with their equal share of £38.

What they do with the £22 change they won’t disclose

I really hope they get relegated I have zero feeling for the scunts sorry for being predictable but I hate the kunts

Much though the actions of some of the Scunt muppets that delighted in rubbing salt in our wounds when we were in the NL drunk me off, I would take no joy in seeing club staff losing their jobs and their true fans having no club to follow.

So to that end I am glad they have been saved from going out of existence.

Avoiding relegation will be their priority. That will involve a substantial influx of new player and management talent. But the new owners have one hell of a job on their hands getting back into the EFL. Don't envy them that task. They will need very deep pockets.

The deal includes GP but I understand there is an £8 million loan secured on the land and stadium. I can't see the buyers saddling the club with that scale of debt so Swann must be repaying that or at least in part. Seems like it a similar scenario to 1878 - locals who are fans buying the club, which is good. Slightly earlier than 1878 coming forward in our relegation season but one tier lower and no manager. The new guys may be accepting they will be rebuilding from NL North.

Sharp on Twitter today saying that “he’s bricking it”.

It’s honest, but not what I’d want to hear from a new owner of my club. I suspect this’ll go pear shaped.

Oh and they’ll still get relegated. They’ll find it very difficult to attract players in January.

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Oh and they’ll still get relegated. They’ll find it very difficult to attract players in January.

Depends how much the new owners are willing to pay.

They are going to have to dig deep though.

Not so much a money issue. They’re an unfashionable club circling the drain. We’ve been there…

Happy they've been taken over but still want them relegated once more this season

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Not so much a money issue. They’re an unfashionable club circling the drain. We’ve been there…

We've never been THAT low though, thankfully.

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Sharp on Twitter today saying that “he’s bricking it”.

It’s honest, but not what I’d want to hear from a new owner of my club. I suspect this’ll go pear shaped.

I think either, maybe both, of Stockwood and Pettit came out saying something similar when they took over here.

You say it'll go pear shaped, but considering they were literally not paying wages and having a buffoon driving them at speed into oblivion it's difficult to see how it can get anything but better?

From what I can gather both guys are Scunny fans so would be a major surprise if they ended up pulling fast ones and screwing the club over.  At this point in time, I imagine most of their fanbase are just glad to have a football club that's not racing into liquidation.  Success on the field will wait for another time.

I've said a few times before that I've always found the rivalry with Scunny as a bit a of faux one, largely because of the era I grew up watching Town when they were always so deep in our shadow that they had a Vitamin D deficiency, but in recent years I've found it very difficult to not have a wry smile at their drop down the leagues.  Even more so after a lot of their fans gloated at our demise only for them to better it and then some 12 months later.  But the line is crossed when a football club is threatened and people are not getting paid.

Swann is a footballing scumbag and be it at Grimsby, Scunthorpe, Man Utd, Real Madrid...the game doesn't need scumbags.  The beautiful game is dying in my eyes.  At the highest levels the appeal of it is decreasing at an alarming rate for my interest levels.  The longer we can keep the lower levels pure and for the people the better.

Delighted that Scunny fans have a club to follow still.  But I want Notts County to batter them tomorrow, deflate all the built up feelgood factor around the place and we can watch on with a smug smile as they drop into the Conf. North.  That's football, there's almost as much joy in watching other suffer as your own success.  But others can't suffer if they don't exist in the first place.

So, out of interest if either Mr Fenty or Mr Swann were to be in a position where they were going to buy another league club would the pass the “ fit and proper” test.

Need to know what the deal is before any view can be formed on this. Unlike BP GP and the surrounding land is valuable so as this consortium is unlikely to have access to significant funds there are bound to be strings attached . Deal may include the ground but it may also include the level of debt that can be secured on the ground. Elliott has been a Director twice before and is a long-standing fan and has a solid career in motor industry as a senior employee but I suspect not with access to significant funds the other guy sounds a bit of a wild card .

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Need to know what the deal is before any view can be formed on this. Unlike BP GpP and the surrounding land is valuable so as this consortium is unlikely to have access to significant there are bound to be strings attached . Deal may include ground but it may also include the level of debt that can be secured on the ground. Elliott has been a director twice before and is a long-standing fan and a solid career in motor industry as an employee but I suspect not with access to significant funds the other guy sounds a bit of a wild card .

Somewhat puzzled on how this deal would work without significant access to funds. Without that the club will surely be saddled with debt unless Swann has suddenly become very benevolent.

Anyway they’ve got Notts county today so should be another battering for them .. cmon u pies ◻️◼️◻️◼️

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Happy they've been taken over but still want them relegated once more this season

My feelings exacly. I don't want any fan to lose their club but relegation has to happen so why not the scunts ? :)

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Swann has court case pencilled in for an issue with a bookie, Swann being the alleged guilty party. He really is a vile man…

Happy to see them go down but I will also be genuinely happy for them to survive and gain new ownership.

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Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Swann has court case pencilled in for an issue with a bookie, Swann being the alleged guilty party. He really is a vile man…

Happy to see them go down but I will also be genuinely happy for them to survive and gain new ownership.

Same! Ego is something that gets you in the end.

Quoted from aldi_01

Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Swann has court case pencilled in for an issue with a bookie, Swann being the alleged guilty party. He really is a vile man…

Happy to see them go down but I will also be genuinely happy for them to survive and gain new ownership.

What are the odds of a guilty verdict?

I once knew a director of SUFC .he was always bragging about how much money was being pumped in and how they were getting a new ground and that Grimsby were just seen as a tin pot Accrington Stanley around the club ..... That was only 4 years ago .....

This not going to plan scunts going 1 up after twenty min

Lasted 4 mins 1-1 🤣

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I wonder if someone with courage will throw a lifebelt, now they're cut adrift at the foot of oblivion!

Swann Out Now is the only thing that could save them!

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I wonder if someone with courage will throw a lifebelt, now they're cut adrift at the foot of oblivion!

Swann Out Now is the only thing that could save them!

Are you behind with the news ?

Love the post match assessment of their new interim manager..
"We were looking good until we took the lead ..then we gave them 3 goals.....the players have been protected by previous managers some of them aren't good enough and I have told them that"

After today's result, they are getting close now to being cast adrift at the bottom.

I see that Whitehouse has been loaned out to Spennymoor - wages reduction??

Would have thought that they would need some experienced players to make a fight of it??

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After today's result, they are getting close now to being cast adrift at the bottom.

I see that Whitehouse has been loaned out to Spennymoor - wages reduction??

Would have thought that they would need some experienced players to make a fight of it??

Perhaps he wants to be paid on time.

Listened to the interview with the 2 new owners on Humberside. There was something about it in the way they kept saying “mate” to I think it was Matt Dean, in some ways it was a bit like a coupe mates have suddenly got the keys to a whore house and cannot quite believe it.

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Listened to the interview with the 2 new owners on Humberside. There was something about it in the way they kept saying “mate” to I think it was Matt Dean, in some ways it was a bit like a coupe mates have suddenly got the keys to a whore house and cannot quite believe it.

To be fair though, everywhere they go they are getting well and truly fu(ked

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To be fair though, everywhere they go they are getting well and truly fu(ked

Pot kettle black.

Want to take a look at ourselves and our league form.

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Pot kettle black.

Want to take a look at ourselves and our league form.

We are not 6 points from safety in the dog and duck league

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I once knew a director of SUFC .he was always bragging about how much money was being pumped in and how they were getting a new ground and that Grimsby were just seen as a tin pot Accrington Stanley around the club ..... That was only 4 years ago .....

I also remember him admitting they signed Dominic Vose from under Hurst’s nose “Just so Grimsby couldn’t have him”

Amazed to see that sort of strategy didn’t work out.

Scunthorpe bus late for game at Wrexham tonight. M62 has been closed but someone on twitter has suggested they ran out of petrol/diesel.
Kick off expected at 20.30 !

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Scunthorpe bus late for game at Wrexham tonight. M62 has been closed but someone on twitter has suggested they ran out of petrol/diesel.
Kick off expected at 20.30 !

One of the staff was detained at the services on the M62, caught looking suspicious next to a broken cigarette machine, looking for 10 players I’d guess.

Also suggestions going round (again) that the takeover is off.

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Also suggestions going round (again) that the takeover is off.

Really? Sounds like Scunny have hired Fenty to do the negotiations.

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Scunthorpe bus late for game at Wrexham tonight. M62 has been closed but someone on twitter has suggested they ran out of petrol/diesel.
Kick off expected at 20.30 !

The result suggests the team ran out of gas, as well.

Read this thread, pretty alarming stuff.

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Can't understand how he lost so much? I won £17 last night betting on Scunthorpe losing to Wrexham ;D ;D ;D

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Can't understand how he lost so much? I won £17 last night betting on Scunthorpe losing to Wrexham ;D ;D ;D

Blimey that’s a dangerous bet for £10,000

So Swann found a bunch of well-meaning saps to come in & pay the late wages he’d spunked in a casino, now won’t sell them the club or ground? lol and, indeed, lmao. Hope all those who bought half-season tickets last month kept the receipt.

I think the only way out now is a phoenix Club . Hope I'm wrong though

As someone involved in football, how is he allowed to bet? There's a lot of flak for players and coaches who bet, but this guy is (or maybe 'was' reading that!) a millionaire club owner with far more power to manipulate things than those he employs...... disgraceful really

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As someone involved in football, how is he allowed to bet? There's a lot of flak for players and coaches who bet, but this guy is (or maybe 'was' reading that!) a millionaire club owner with far more power to manipulate things than those he employs...... disgraceful really

That's assuming he's pissed away a load of money betting on football though (although I suppose that's what his ownership has done!)

One thing I thought of which may have already been mentioned on this thread is if (when) they go down will they then go part time?

I think they will have to if they survive and not go to the wall,, They cannot aford wages this season so will havet to pay less next year or go part time . They need some kind of miracle .Feel sorry for the real supporter not the ones that took the urine out of us when we went down.

Where did it say the sale of SUFC is off?

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Where did it say the sale of SUFC is off?

Not sure it does anywhere. However, would you want to buy a club after finding out that basically £1.8M of your price is indirectly going on his gambling debts? Might be leverage to bring the price down though…

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Where did it say the sale of SUFC is off?

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Certainly doesn’t sound promising

Listening to Humberside earlier it all seems a bit symmetrical that his massive gambling period was around the time Scunny were falling away and changing policies on spending.

What a mess!!
What happens from here you would need to have mystical powers to predict.
Any attempt at either rational analysis or blind prejudice to predict outcome is pointless.

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Certainly doesn’t sound promising

O Dear, it never rains and now the heavens are open. I wonder what the odds are for the deal going through, for a betting man!

I would now suggest that the most important person in this saga and it’s possible outcome is possibly Mrs Swann.

Actually feeling a bit torn about this latest development...

Having to acknowledge that gambling is an addiction and I have seen how it can grip and destroy lives so part of me feels for Swann .
Trying to sue them because you have effectively been cr@p at gambling and lost a fortune I don't like, smacks of sore loser.

However with gambling laws as they are he may well have a case if the bookie in question hasn't followed protocols. Seemed to have been a previous agreement which may indicate the bookie didn't fancy their chances of winning a full refund by law.

Just hope that whatever the outcome SUFC suffer a bit more ill fortune.

I get the bit about “it’s his/her money and they can spend it how they like” but there is something quite obscene about betting £20K on something and running up gambling debts like Swann allegedly had. I know it happens,

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I get the bit about “it’s his/her money and they can spend it how they like” but there is something quite obscene about betting £20K on something and running up gambling debts like Swann allegedly had. I know it happens,

Not sure there is any "allegedly" about it, his gripe is the bookie allowed him to gamble it without warning him how deep in sh1t he was.

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I would now suggest that the most important person in this saga and it’s possible outcome is possibly Mrs Swann.

I would suggest that’s been the case for some time. He’s certainly made more than a dent in her family fortune.

I'm not sure if the Law changed but up to the 1980s gambling debts weren't recoverable by Law.

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I would now suggest that the most important person in this saga and it’s possible outcome is possibly Mrs Swann.

She would have to pay off the mortgage secured on the ground. When the buyers were announced and it said the ground is included in that's the bit I couldn't fathom.

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Not sure there is any "allegedly" about it, his gripe is the bookie allowed him to gamble it without warning him how deep in sh1t he was.

And here we go again, it's always, always someone else's fault when you fcuk up in life.
Personal responsibility has gone out the window.
I gambled too much and the bookies let me and I can't afford to pay for it.
I had too many babies and I can't afford to feed and clothe them.
It never ends and never will until people are held to account for their choices.

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And here we go again, it's always, always someone else's fault when you fcuk up in life.
Personal responsibility has gone out the window.
I gambled too much and the bookies let me and I can't afford to pay for it.
I had too many babies and I can't afford to feed and clothe them.
It never ends and never will until people are held to account for their choices.

To some extent, Swann does have a point in that he believes he had an agreement so it’s not about accountability in this instance.

The issue around the sale of the club is the value and cash, by all accounts they were poles apart and it seems that the deal is likely off, regardless of some guff on social media.

The alternative is now a random consortium that includes someone that is another Alex May. That has disaster written all over it…it’ll be ok though, he hasn’t defrauded people…

My friend, along with many other scunny fans have already said that should the dodgy consortium take over, it could be the end for them, both as supporters but long term, for the club.

Of course I wanna see scunny struggle from a footballing point of view but I don’t wanna see them go bust.

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Actually feeling a bit torn about this latest development...

Having to acknowledge that gambling is an addiction and I have seen how it can grip and destroy lives so part of me feels for Swann .
Trying to sue them because you have effectively been cr@p at gambling and lost a fortune I don't like, smacks of sore loser.

However with gambling laws as they are he may well have a case if the bookie in question hasn't followed protocols. Seemed to have been a previous agreement which may indicate the bookie didn't fancy their chances of winning a full refund by law.

Just hope that whatever the outcome SUFC suffer a bit more ill fortune.

Said gambling firm are worth intercourse all though.  They've got nothing to their name.  Unless I'm reading this wrong, Swann can't really win.  Even if he 'wins', he won't be able to recover anything from them.

It's an absolute excrement show all round.  Swann pissing money up the wall, getting the hopes up of fans that they're going to be saved, poor blokes having the wool pulled over their eyes to pay a months wages....all compounded by the team getting tanked every week and circling the plughole with even stray pubes standing a better chance of getting washed away.

For the life of me can't see how they get out of this one.  Relegation looms unless they invest seriously in the window.  That isn't going to happen so it's the Conf. North.  No guarantee that they'll even be accepted because of the financial situation so could drop even further.

The ground is the biggest asset Swann has so he's not going to let that go easily, despite what the consortium probably thought was happening.  No ground, excrement team, no money, no future really....Merry Xmas Iron fans!  3 years seems a long bloody time ago when Van Veen was goading the Town fans after his goal doesn't it!

The longer it goes on the more I think their fans just need to unite and go on their own.  Clubs aren't built on their history or the letters in the name, they're built on the fanbase.  If there's the will for Scunthorpe to emerge in a right of its own, then it will be fine.  But the longer they cling on for hope that Swann will play ball, the more painful the death will be.

Given Scunny's calamitous (and hilarious) decline in recent seasons, I half wonder if Swann has got some sort of dodgy long-term spread betting deal about position within the League Pyramid. The lower they go, the more he stands to make... ;)

Having met the bloke, there’s nothing in this story that surprises me.

He really is a spectacularly arrogant human being.

Like a lot on here I hope they get relegated again, but on the other hand, someone like swann shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a football club.
He epitomises everything that is wrong in this country today, regarding greed,power, elites thinking they can tread on the little guys.
Some type of non Marxist socialism would work better than what we're doing now.

Tried to book Sands Venue Hotel but it seems it is still not finished.

I wonder if any other club has their stadium named after something that does not exist.

Just read Swanns statement regarding the gambling. Incredible 😂😂😂

Swann not fit to run a football club. End of. An absolute disgrace.

After wages paid late the last two months they have paid Decembers early. Confused as to who has paid them as it appears Swan has not done so, but got others to pay them. Confused (icon_question)(icon_question)(icon_question)

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Swann not fit to run a football club. End of. An absolute disgrace.

Plenty of clubs are owned by not fit for purpose rats and it seems to be allowed by the powers that be

Quoted from It Bites

Just read Swanns statement regarding the gambling. Incredible 😂😂😂

Whereabouts? Do you have a link?

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So , he’s taking a bookmakers to court for allowing him to gamble . Really ?

To be precise, he's taking them to court for letting him be excrement at gambling.

I realise a lot of people really struggle with gambling and it can cause them all sorts of problems, but I doubt too many will try and sue the bookies following their binges. Most wouldn't have the resources, I suppose.

Quoted from Maringer

To be precise, he's taking them to court for letting him be excrement at gambling.

I realise a lot of people really struggle with gambling and it can cause them all sorts of problems, but I doubt too many will try and sue the bookies following their binges. Most wouldn't have the resources, I suppose.

My guess is that his marriage depends on the success of this case.

I'm still not totally convinced that he didn't bet on football, despite what he's said.

Perhaps Scunny fans ought to sue him for selling tickets to watch the team play football.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

My guess is that his marriage depends on the success of this case.

I'm still not totally convinced that he didn't bet on football, despite what he's said.

I’d definitely question the last part too; there’s clearly a problem there which is extremely sad but you’d imagine with that sort of gambling issue, no sport is off the table…

It’s all just becoming very messy…

Why would someone feel the need to stake £20k on a bet? I just don’t get it.

I was told that if you keep doubling your stake after a losing bet you would eventually make a profit. I started off putting 10p on Scunthorpe to win - my next bet will be £152000 - they have to win sometime..

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Why would someone feel the need to stake £20k on a bet? I just don’t get it.

Why do some people over eat, take heroin or drink too much? Sadly, some people have addictions.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Why would someone feel the need to stake £20k on a bet? I just don’t get it.

Financial willy-waving, I expect.

A lot of his self worth is probably tied up in being a wealthy man (as his splurges funding Scunny in their Championship days show). If your shoes cost you more than a grand, a 20 quid bet probably doesn't seem worthwhile.

Quoted from Maringer

Financial willy-waving, I expect.

A lot of his self worth is probably tied up in being a wealthy man (as his splurges funding Scunny in their Championship days show). If your shoes cost you more than a grand, a 20 quid bet probably doesn't seem worthwhile.

One of the reasons I’ve never been interested in betting is the confused Willy waving…all seems a bit ofd to me…

Show me a poor bookmaker, the lady who owns Bet365, earnt something like £700 million a couple of years ago.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Show me a poor bookmaker, the lady who owns Bet365, earnt something like £700 million a couple of years ago.

My Dad used to say that there is a reason there are three tills for putting bets on and one for getting your winnings!

Not seen many skint bookies but i'v seen alot of skint punters , swann obviously had a problem but it leaves a sour taste that someone betting upwards of 20k on horses & other sporting events crys wolf after he loses all his wifes money

Quoted from Gaffer58

Show me a poor bookmaker, the lady who owns Bet365, earnt something like £700 million a couple of years ago.

Highest paid ceo in the country I believe

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Highest paid ceo in the country I believe

Her (the Coates) family owns Stoke City don’t they?

You don’t need to be a genius to work out who wins, when you go to a race course 3 windows for paying in 1 window for paying out.

Interestingly Denise Coates is one of the highest tax payers in the country, so unlike many millionaires actually pays back a fair bit of what she pays herself

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Interestingly Denise Coates is one of the highest tax payers in the country, so unlike many millionaires actually pays back a fair bit of what she pays herself

My heart bleeds for her surviving on 100 mill a year ( that was a guess but I know it’s a lot ) gambling causes no end of misery in families it needs to be regulated a lot better than it is.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

My heart bleeds for her surviving on 100 mill a year ( that was a guess but I know it’s a lot ) gambling causes no end of misery in families it needs to be regulated a lot better than it is.

The government will never regulate it . It keeps the minions quiet . Just like the lottery, EastEnders , love island etc etc etc

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Interestingly Denise Coates is one of the highest tax payers in the country, so unlike many millionaires actually pays back a fair bit of what she pays herself

Top 1% pay around 30% of all tax

Quoted from It Bites

The government will never regulate it . It keeps the minions quiet . Just like the lottery, EastEnders , love island etc etc etc

Oh and cheap supermarket beer

Quoted from TAGG

Top 1% pay around 30% of all tax

Quite right, too. They are also tend to pay a lower marginal rate than most workers as they have the lawyers to offshore much of what they get.

Quoted from TAGG

Top 1% pay around 30% of all tax

Quite right considering they have on average wealth is £3.6 million each. The least wealthy only had average wealth (using the term very loosely) of £8,000.

Wealth inequality (from official Census figures for 2021.
Wealth inequality is a measure of how unequally wealth is distributed across the population. The wealthiest 10% of households held 43% of all the wealth in Great Britain in the latest period; in comparison the bottom 50% held only 9%.

The richest 1% of households were those whose total wealth was more than £3.6 million (Figure 2). The least wealthy 10% of households had wealth of £15,400 or less. In this group at least half only held wealth in physical assets (with a mean value of £8,000) and almost half held more financial debt than they did financial assets.

Quoted from TAGG

Top 1% pay around 30% of all tax

Poor buggers- we should do a whip round for them!

Quoted from It Bites

The government will never regulate it . It keeps the minions quiet . Just like the lottery, EastEnders , love island etc etc etc

I agree they won’t

Quoted from It Bites

The government will never regulate it . It keeps the minions quiet . Just like the lottery, EastEnders , love island etc etc etc

Agreed but what people watch is a choice not a policy.

Quoted from golfer

I was told that if you keep doubling your stake after a losing bet you would eventually make a profit. I started off putting 10p on Scunthorpe to win - my next bet will be £152000 - they have to win sometime..

Shite ! Scunthorpe 1 Chesterfield 2 . next bet £304000 This is why C E O of Bet 365 is a millionaire ( at the moment ) You wait till they win -

Quoted from golfer

Shite ! Scunthorpe 1 Chesterfield 2 . next bet £304000 This is why C E O of Bet 365 is a millionaire ( at the moment ) You wait till they win -

Why not just take them to court to get your money back?

Big rumour there was a board meeting at Scunny last night. Still haven’t paid a penny owed to HMRC and they’re knocking. Swann making up bids by all accounts to try and push the local consortium further.

Certainly gonna get messy and a lot worse.

Always great to see a rival struggle but I do think, as a football fan, it must be flipping horrible for them. It’s not getting any better any time soon.

Quoted from aldi_01

Big rumour there was a board meeting at Scunny last night. Still haven’t paid a penny owed to HMRC and they’re knocking. Swann making up bids by all accounts to try and push the local consortium further.

Certainly gonna get messy and a lot worse.

Always great to see a rival struggle but I do think, as a football fan, it must be flipping horrible for them. It’s not getting any better any time soon.

If it was us this deep in the excrement, they'd all be on here gloating, along with that wierdo supposed Lincoln idiot.
So on reflection...........f.ck them.

Quoted from Phil the cod

If it was us this deep in the excrement, they'd all be on here gloating, along with that wierdo supposed Lincoln idiot.
So on reflection...........f.ck them.

Ahhh the mighty THEY . You let the voice of a couple of idiots tarnish every honest football fan in Lincoln and Scunthorpe ..... ? . Grow up

Quoted from Phil the cod

If it was us this deep in the excrement, they'd all be on here gloating, along with that wierdo supposed Lincoln idiot.
So on reflection...........f.ck them.

Don’t let a couple of caravan dwelling virgins cloud your view of legitimate football fans…

Quoted from aldi_01

Big rumour there was a board meeting at Scunny last night. Still haven’t paid a penny owed to HMRC and they’re knocking. Swann making up bids by all accounts to try and push the local consortium further.

Certainly gonna get messy and a lot worse.

Always great to see a rival struggle but I do think, as a football fan, it must be flipping horrible for them. It’s not getting any better any time soon.

If said consortium has anything about them whatsoever, they will know full well that no bidding war is ensuing for Scunthorpe United FC.

Can you name something that would be a worse value for money purchase than the football club at this moment in time? I can’t.

Quoted from Poojah

If said consortium has anything about them whatsoever, they will know full well that no bidding war is ensuing for Scunthorpe United FC.

Can you name something that would be a worse value for money purchase than the football club at this moment in time? I can’t.

But they are probably also aware that they’re on a hiding to nothing. According to Ollie Turner on Humberside, there’s talk of a transfer ban.

Quoted from Poojah

If said consortium has anything about them whatsoever, they will know full well that no bidding war is ensuing for Scunthorpe United FC.

Can you name something that would be a worse value for money purchase than the football club at this moment in time? I can’t.

A luxury timeshare in Kiev? 🤔

Quoted from Poojah

If said consortium has anything about them whatsoever, they will know full well that no bidding war is ensuing for Scunthorpe United FC.

Can you name something that would be a worse value for money purchase than the football club at this moment in time? I can’t.

If i was the lads looking to buy Scunny i would sit tight at the minute, they are going down both on the pitch and off it, Swan is on self destruct so come the end of the season they could get the club for next to nothing and start the rebuild from there

Quoted from Simon

If i was the lads looking to buy Scunny i would sit tight at the minute, they are going down both on the pitch and off it, Swan is on self destruct so come the end of the season they could get the club for next to nothing and start the rebuild from there

If the takeover doesn’t happen soon, they won’t get to the end of the season.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

If the takeover doesn’t happen soon, they won’t get to the end of the season.

That depends if some mug keeps stumping up cash for the wages and other bills.

https://thilljourno.wordpress.com/2022q/12/26/scunthorpe-united-the-most-miserable-team-to-support-in-english-football/

Scunthorpe United -
The moste miserable team to support in English Football

Quoted from thefish

A luxury timeshare in Kiev? 🤔

Close but Scunny just tops that I reckon 😂

Quoted from TAGG

https://thilljourno.wordpress.com/2022q/12/26/scunthorpe-united-the-most-miserable-team-to-support-in-english-football/

Scunthorpe United -
The moste miserable team to support in English Football

Wow. There was a time when I would watch all of that with glee, but I have to say that you wouldn't wish this circus on your worst enemy.

Not true to say attendances are falling through the floor. On the contrary I think they holding up well at circa 2.5k home fans. 663 to Chesterfield the other day is great loyalty - compare Lincoln to us when they were mid table conference. Lincoln only had 900 at Burton the other day - that’s not much further than Scunthorpe to Chesterfield.

We need to stop using our away support as a means to measure other team’s fanbases. Our away support is an outlier, it is unusually high relative to our home support. We’ll end up the 6th-7th biggest home gates this season but will probably have the 1st or 2nd highest away followings, in terms of average. Given our large proportion of exiles, we have more away followers than we should for a club of our size.

We weren’t getting gates of much over 3k when we were sitting 10th in non-league. We have a bigger core support than Scunny and Lincoln but not by that much really.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Not true to say attendances are falling through the floor. On the contrary I think they holding up well at circa 2.5k home fans. 663 to Chesterfield the other day is great loyalty - compare Lincoln to us when they were mid table conference. Lincoln only had 900 at Burton the other day - that’s not much further than Scunthorpe to Chesterfield.

Quite. Scunny’s average gate so far this season (3,109) is actually higher than ours was in our first season down there (3,073). As bleak as things were for us back then, it’s fair to say they are significantly more so for Scunny.

A Tuesday night game that season always stuck in my mind for two reasons. First of all, it’s the game where Kettering literally dropped Serge Makofo off for us - as if that wasn’t some kind of sign! And secondly, because I remember Blundell Park being absolutely desolate. Having looked it up, the gate that night was 2,291 - roughly three quarters empty, and not even our lowest gate of the season. We could only attract 2,017 to our game against Rushden & Diamonds a few week’s later. Christ, we played an away fixture in the league that season in front of fewer than 600 fans.

Schadenfreude is great and all that, but it’s important not to forget where we have been and the state we have been in. Look to the future by all means, but remember the past, if only so that we never find ourselves in such a position ever again.

Their home average is distorted by having played Notts, Wrexham and Chesterfield, in our first season I think York brought 500 to our first non-league game after that I don’t think anyone brought more than 100 or so for the rest of that season apart from Luton and Mansfield (Wrexhams support was pretty excrement in those days). I’d forgotten how low some of our crowds were though. Scunthorpe’s hardcore support is certainly as good as Lincoln’s was at that level.

It’s gone very quiet on the supposed sale to the fan consortium. Other bidders were mentioned on RH the other day but they’ll only be after one thing - development land.

Apollo Bookmakers reply to the claims made by Peter Swann. Interestingly, he was hoping to sell the club in 2018 which would have freed up the cash to pay his gambling debt.

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Quoted from jamesgtfc

Apollo Bookmakers reply to the claims made by Peter Swann. Interestingly, he was hoping to sell the club in 2018 which would have freed up the cash to pay his gambling debt.

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Interesting reading, I just don’t see how he can win this court case

Quoted from supertown

Interesting reading, I just don’t see how he can win this court case

More chance of his club winning a game then!

Quoted from supertown

Interesting reading, I just don’t see how he can win this court case

Well....he loves a gamble.

Big news tomorrow seems to be the general consensus

The rumour being Begbies Traynor are being brought in to “help with the sale”. However, they are also a company heavily linked with putting businesses into administration and even insolvency.

Thoughts are with them in these really shít times.

Quoted from bradzmilne

Big news tomorrow seems to be the general consensus

The rumour being Begbies Traynor are being brought in to “help with the sale”. However, they are also a company heavily linked with putting businesses into administration and even insolvency.

Thoughts are with them in these really shít times.

It looks like they opened a new office in Scunthorpe around the time Swann's gambling got the better of him in 2018: https://www.begbies-traynorgroup.com/news/firm-news/begbies-traynor-expands-business-rescue-and-recovery-services-to-scunthorpe

Apparently staff told last night that administration is pending very shortly.

Club that is going into admin, not Swann's company which means the land remains protected as he still owns that. Inland Revenue bill is north of £100k which is what has, as is often the case, proved to be the crucial factor in the decision to go into administration.

Stadium, if that's owned by the club (which I'm not sure if it is to be honest), is probably worthless anyway - even more so without the land.

They've not really got any assets so it really isn't looking good for them at all.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Apparently staff told last night that administration is pending very shortly.

Club that is going into admin, not Swann's company which means the land remains protected as he still owns that. Inland Revenue bill is north of £100k which is what has, as is often the case, proved to be the crucial factor in the decision to go into administration.

Stadium, if that's owned by the club (which I'm not sure if it is to be honest), is probably worthless anyway - even more so without the land.

They've not really got any assets so it really isn't looking good for them at all.

The second that land was transferred to Coolsilk Property they were copulated.

Very sad to see this. Clearly we remember the nob jockeys that came on this site from Scunthorpe when we were having a bad patch but these are the minority. ,they deserve better and I hope a buyer can be found

The problem is the buyer won’t have stadium. There is no way the Coolsilk mortgage on the stadium and land can be repaid by any deal for SUFC that makes financial sense.

Our pitch certainly can’t handle a ground share - they might end up playing at the Keepmoat.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

The problem is the buyer won’t have stadium. There is no way the Coolsilk mortgage on the stadium and land can be repaid by any deal for SUFC that makes financial sense.

Our pitch certainly can’t handle a ground share - they might end up playing at the Keepmoat.

Or Gainsborough Trinity!

Quoted from DB

Or Gainsborough Trinity!

Watch Scunthorpe United at the home of GTFC…

Donny Rugby League team play at the Keepmoat too, so not sure there's scope to ground share.

Hull FC play on the KC as well as the football team.

Be an awful cruel twist of irony if they end up sharing with Gainsborough. Two clubs together, screwed over by Swann.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Donny Rugby League team play at the Keepmoat too, so not sure there's scope to ground share.

Hull FC play on the KC as well as the football team.

Be an awful cruel twist of irony if they end up sharing with Gainsborough. Two clubs together, screwed over by Swann.

Gainsborough have a very good pitch and their ground is definitely up to NLN standard which is the highest Scunny will be playing next season. It handled a groundshare with Boston for a couple of months before their new ground opened.

I'm not sure what we could charge for a groundshare but could it fund a better pitch?

Could Northolme take a game every single weekend in the height of winter, plus any midweek fixtures too though?

Either way, wherever they go it isn't going to be home!

Didn't realise Boston were there on a temp basis, that's an horrendous trek!

As harsh as it sounds, if we could guarantee that our pitch could handle it, I wouldn't be opposed to us making a bit extra money from Scunthorpe's lack of a ground. Horrible situation I know, but someone's got to profit from it.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Could Northolme take a game every single weekend in the height of winter, plus any midweek fixtures too though?

Either way, wherever they go it isn't going to be home!

Didn't realise Boston were there on a temp basis, that's an horrendous trek!

As harsh as it sounds, if we could guarantee that our pitch could handle it, I wouldn't be opposed to us making a bit extra money from Scunthorpe's lack of a ground. Horrible situation I know, but someone's got to profit from it.

The comedy value of Scunny playing home games at BP, add that we'd force them to pay, even if it's a token gesture based on pity at their situation, would be completely worth it.

How many times have crooked owners transferred ownership of the ground to private companies and used it as leverage against the club? Can't believe this is still going on in football.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Could Northolme take a game every single weekend in the height of winter, plus any midweek fixtures too though?

Either way, wherever they go it isn't going to be home!

Didn't realise Boston were there on a temp basis, that's an horrendous trek!

As harsh as it sounds, if we could guarantee that our pitch could handle it, I wouldn't be opposed to us making a bit extra money from Scunthorpe's lack of a ground. Horrible situation I know, but someone's got to profit from it.

Not just that, there is every chance Gainsborough could be in the NLN next season (or Scunny in the NPL if the NL kick them out the NLN). I know beggars can't be choosers but if they are in the same league, Scunny might not want to boost the budget of a league rival.

Quoted from Son of Cod

How many times have crooked owners transferred ownership of the ground to private companies and used it as leverage against the club? Can't believe this is still going on in football.

Even councils feck over clubs - look what Coventry City Council did to CCFC; I know the CCFC owners SISU were complete shysters, but to flog their home ground to a rugby franchise moving out of London like the Wimbledon fiasco was appalling. It also fecked over the rugby club in the city as well to a certain extent.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Not just that, there is every chance Gainsborough could be in the NLN next season (or Scunny in the NPL if the NL kick them out the NLN). I know beggars can't be choosers but if they are in the same league, Scunny might not want to boost the budget of a league rival.

To be honest, I think Scunny will do well to even be in existence at any level by the time the fixtures come out for 23/24. What level do phoenix clubs usually come in at?

Whilst Mrs Swann isn't directly involved in Wilko anymore, it remains family owned. I noticed that they have had to secure a loan to keep trading so wherever Mr Swann turns money is tight.

https://www.ft.com/content/1c2b7f90-8421-4d66-956e-8634c64ad098

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Whilst Mrs Swann isn't directly involved in Wilko anymore, it remains family owned. I noticed that they have had to secure a loan to keep trading so wherever Mr Swann turns money is tight.

https://www.ft.com/content/1c2b7f90-8421-4d66-956e-8634c64ad098

Expecting online saddos who follow Grimsby Town to have a subscription to the FT is a little ambitious. Does it mention Scunny or just Wilkos?

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Even councils feck over clubs - look what Coventry City Council did to CCFC; I know the CCFC owners SISU were complete shysters, but to flog their home ground to a rugby franchise moving out of London like the Wimbledon fiasco was appalling. It also fecked over the rugby club in the city as well to a certain extent.

And then when Wasps inevitably failed, CCFC had a decent bid in to take over the stadium lease but the council gave it to Mike Ashley anyway! I don't see how that's in the best interests of the people of Coventry that the council are supposed to look after, feels like something personal between the owners of CCFC and the local Council tbh

Quoted from diehardmariner

To be honest, I think Scunny will do well to even be in existence at any level by the time the fixtures come out for 23/24. What level do phoenix clubs usually come in at?

I think North Ferriby came back at Counties Division 1, so tier 10. Below that is the Lincolnshire League which is a regional feeder league and considered the end of our formal pyramid.

The Lincolnshire League contains teams such as:
Barton Town Reserves
Cleethorpes Town Reserves
Grimsby Borough Reserves
Immingham Town
Louth Town
Nunsthorpe
Wyberton

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I think North Ferriby came back at Counties Division 1, so tier 10. Below that is the Lincolnshire League which is a regional feeder league and considered the end of our formal pyramid.

The Lincolnshire League contains teams such as:
Barton Town Reserves
Cleethorpes Town Reserves
Grimsby Borough Reserves
Immingham Town
Louth Town
Nunsthorpe
Wyberton

So Barton, Clee Town and Grimsby Borough have B teams in that league?! Bloody disgraceful that these giants toy with lower league football like that - Taking away a spot from the likes of Scunny Phoenix

The only phoenix clubs in recent times with any sort of success are Wimbledon and (clutching at straws) aldershot.

It’s going to be a tough ask for them and, unless something happens pretty quickly, they may not even see the season out

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

The only phoenix clubs in recent times with any sort of success are Wimbledon and (clutching at straws) aldershot.

It’s going to be a tough ask for them and, unless something happens pretty quickly, they may not even see the season out

Macclesfield are making a pretty decent comeback.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

The only phoenix clubs in recent times with any sort of success are Wimbledon and (clutching at straws) aldershot.

It’s going to be a tough ask for them and, unless something happens pretty quickly, they may not even see the season out

It took a while but Accrington did. Stockport aren’t w Phoenix club but they were in a similar state to Scunny.

They’re not there yet but Darlo and Scarborough aren’t doing too bad and as someone else said, Macclesfield are doing alright.

The issue at scunny is that there’s so much apathy and anger that the unity needed to get a Phoenix club off the ground just isn’t there…

I'd argue that simply by existing and allowing the fans the chance to watch some regular football is a mark of success. Lots of the phoenix clubs haven't recovered back to their previous level, but no reason they can't get near in due course.

Quoted from aldi_01

It took a while but Accrington did. Stockport aren’t w Phoenix club but they were in a similar state to Scunny.

They’re not there yet but Darlo and Scarborough aren’t doing too bad and as someone else said, Macclesfield are doing alright.

The issue at scunny is that there’s so much apathy and anger that the unity needed to get a Phoenix club off the ground just isn’t there…

The club needs to cease to exist before a phoenix club has any chance of being successful otherwise it gets messy like Bury has.

Forgetting Swann's web of companies and the stadium, what level of debt does the football club actually have?

Feel for the regular employees and businesses that may lose out if any such admin move occurs, they have my sympathy.

The supporters can suffer it for as long as possible for me but I imagine if admin does occur then a consortium would possibly be able to deal with administrators quicker than they could with Swann so that would be a silver lining for them.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The club needs to cease to exist before a phoenix club has any chance of being successful otherwise it gets messy like Bury has.

Forgetting Swann's web of companies and the stadium, what level of debt does the football club actually have?

What has actually happened at Bury? I know there are two clubs and it's got messy and acrimonious but I can't really figure out the detail.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

What has actually happened at Bury? I know there are two clubs and it's got messy and acrimonious but I can't really figure out the detail.

My understanding is that AFC Bury formed and entered the pyramid but Bury FC still owns the ground but isn't in the pyramid. Both have supporters trusts and AFC overwhelmingly voted in favour of merging as advised by their trust. Bury FC didn't advise, has a few controversial folk involved and they voted not to merge but now they seem to be open to the idea again.

I've not followed it too closely but that's my understanding of it all.

The impression I got was that a few ego's were hindering the merger so that tallies with the above.

Quoted from Maringer

I'd argue that simply by existing and allowing the fans the chance to watch some regular football is a mark of success. Lots of the phoenix clubs haven't recovered back to their previous level, but no reason they can't get near in due course.

Absolutely.

Newport are doing ok of it too. Hereford, Chester, Halifax...

It's absolutely sliding doors for me as to how we could have turned out had Alex May got involved with the club, but had we gone to the wall then I wouldn't have cared what league a phoenix version of GTFC started out in. It would be about the fact it was a football club, my football club.

This has aged like a fine wine...

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I’m always wary of Fenty vs Swann comparisons, as it can come across as a defence of the former, but there’s no doubt now that Swann has far bigger and more dangerous character defects.

Fenty slowly suffocated Town through an obsession with the balance sheet and not an ounce of vision or concept of “speculate to accumulate”. Swann quite the opposite - happy to quite literally gamble millions, and ultimately the viability of the club, on a pipe dream of second tier football with no discernible exit plan.

The key difference is that Fenty-brand mismanagement took us to place where we were at least still capable of resuscitation, where with Scunny it seems it’s now a simple matter of when and not if someone turns off the machine.

As I say, not a defence of Fenty who must not be forgotten for the way he abused his time as custodian of this club, but there is a special place in football hell for Swann. Whatever you think of Scunthorpe United or Scunthorpe, he’s robbing the local population of an important and historic community asset, and club allegiances aside I cannot take any pleasure in that.

Regrettably, his other financial challenges (a large outstanding gambling debt, a counter suit by the gambling company and his unfinished and seemingly defunct hotel in Blackpool) would indicate there is zero chance of him doing the right thing and handing the club and the ground back to the fans.

What a grotesque, grubby little man he is.

Comparison is always the thief of joy.

But in this case I think it's also a companion of hindsight.

No doubt, as you say, that Fenty didn't take us to the depths that Swann has.  At face value and certainly for the majority of his time at the helm, our place in existence wasn't in doubt.

Alas, in my opinion he willingly opened a door to a corridor that could have easily led to that.  He knowingly engaged with Alex May, a convicted fraudster nonetheless, who had little to no interest in the club or the fans of the club.  May was interested in a quick buck, the quicker the better.  Fenty was caught with him, pants round his ankles, in bed.

If that tip-off hadn't been given to James Findlater and if the story hadn't been followed through....well, we'll never know how it would have panned out.  It's fair to say that his exposure probably put the end to any plans and enforced a sale to 1878.  But the whole affair was sordid and potentially as grubby as Swann's input at Scunthorpe.

Swann's a turd on the moral compass of society for his actions.  Regardless of how he's viewed, it'll never let Fenty off the hook for me and I suspect many others too.  We were very fortunate we had the light shone on the situation and a consortium that were willing, capable and able to move quickly.  Scunthorpe aren't that lucky.

Something coming up about Scunthorpe Utd on Look North tonight (BBC One starts 18:30)

Didn't quite catch it but think it mentioned something about Scunny's survival.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Something coming up about Scunthorpe Utd on Look North tonight (BBC One starts 18:30)

Didn't quite catch it but think it mentioned something about Scunny's survival.

I just watched it on catch up. It didn't tell us anything that we didn't know apart from it looks like the 'local consortium" has pulled out of the sale. It looks pretty bad for them especially as they have no assets to sell. If they manage the debts???? then it's NLN at best, or phoenix club at worst. Either way they are down and out!

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I just watched it on catch up. It didn't tell us anything that we didn't know apart from it looks like the 'local consortium" has pulled out of the sale. It looks pretty bad for them especially as they have no assets to sell. If they manage the debts???? then it's NLN at best, or phoenix club at worst. Either way they are down and out!

It's terrible, it really is. People like me and you who have given and enjoyed a lifetime of supporting their home town club in its ups and downs, only to have it snatched away by one man.

Generations of fans' completely disregarded by sheer selfishness. It makes my blood boil and if it happened to us I would be distraught.

I hope for a miracle from their point of view.

We know, some of us more than others that our favourite custodian threatened or tried to sue individuals when they dared speak the truth. Swann has done the same but on closer look, and with information from a Scunny supporting mate, it seems that the Irb-Bru site refused to hand over details of a poster, rightly so…Swanns response? Sue Google…the man isn’t well…

Wouldn’t mind if Town signed Lavery, whilst he is ‘hot’ and experienced playing in a ‘up to now’ poor team.
According to Jeff Stelling - his contract may not be renewed.

Quoted from Teestogreen

Wouldn’t mind if Town signed Lavery, whilst he is ‘hot’ and experienced playing in a ‘up to now’ poor team.
According to Jeff Stelling - his contract may not be renewed.

Sounds like he was playing for a contract elsewhere today...

Lavery scored a hat trick today might be worth a punt.

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It's terrible, it really is. People like me and you who have given and enjoyed a lifetime of supporting their home town club in its ups and downs, only to have it snatched away by one man.

Generations of fans' completely disregarded by sheer selfishness. It makes my blood boil and if it happened to us I would be distraught.

I hope for a miracle from their point of view.

Hit the nail on the head. I take no pleasure at all in Scunthorpe’s demise. They are our rivals, of course, but I deplore the abject tribalsim of some. As you say, if it was us in such trouble, we would be devastated. Clubs need to support each other if we are to keep our national sport in a healthy state. I hope Scunthorpe can come through these awful times and get back into the FL.

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Hit the nail on the head. I take no pleasure at all in Scunthorpe’s demise. They are our rivals, of course, but I deplore the abject tribalsim of some. As you say, if it was us in such trouble, we would be devastated. Clubs need to support each other if we are to keep our national sport in a healthy state. I hope Scunthorpe can come through these awful times and stay in the national league.

There, fixed it for you.

Not good news at all...

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HMRC issue those orders all the time and they just get pushed back and pushed back, never amount to anything.

Perhaps not entirely unusual but I’d suggest reason for serious concern given the breadth and depth of Scunthorpe’s predicament. Sad times for them, but the path they are on has looked inevitable for some time.

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Perhaps not entirely unusual but I’d suggest reason for serious concern given the breadth and depth of Scunthorpe’s predicament. Sad times for them, but the path they are on has looked inevitable for some time.

Of course, it's only the club that gets wound up. The stadium will be a valuable piece of land in a prime position owned by Swann.

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Of course, it's only the club that gets wound up. The stadium will be a valuable piece of land in a prime position owned by Swann.

The moment the ground was transferred to Coolsilk, they were doomed. I posted this back in March, shortly after Swann stepped down as ‘chairman’.

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The major difference is that Scunny are, in effect, indebted to Swann to the tune of £11m. You only have to look at what he’s done with the club these last three years or so; he has throttled the life out of it financially out of pure personal, self-interest.

Covid hurt him financially, with the bulk of his income streams coming from the hospitality industry. This, while in the midst of the £28m renovation of his Sands Venue resort in Blackpool (after which Glanford Park is currently named).

He needs money. Glanford Park, due to where the land on which it sits is, is worth millions. But only without a football club playing there. Now he’s moved to distance himself from the club, something the Scunny fans seem to be hailing as good news.

It isn’t. They need to wake up and join up all of the dots.

https://forum.thefishy.co.uk/Blah.pl?m-1647104501/s-200/#num206

This was all a part of the plan. Isolate the only thing the club had left of any value, then stand back and let it die. It’s the only way he could recoup any of the money he spunked on the club, money he now desperately needs.

It’s a dastardly plan of the highest order, and I have huge sympathy for Scunny fans. I’m not sure what they could have done, but my only criticism of them is that they should have seen this coming sooner and made more noise about it. Who, outside of Lincolnshire, really knows about their story?

They’re sinking without a trace.

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Of course, it's only the club that gets wound up. The stadium will be a valuable piece of land in a prime position owned by Swann.

Sorted it for you 😉

Joking aside, what would go there? Big supermarket, no point with Tesco, Aldi and M&S already there so I would have thought not. Department store, Debenhams is still there vacant. DIY, B&Q is opposite. The only thing that I could see would make it profitable there for Swann is some sort of distribution centre but when you look at the size of them it’s probably lacking by at least a half. Does he own any adjoining land along the 181? It’d be a decent spot for an Amazon but is there enough space just on the football land?

Quoted from LN8Mariner

Sorted it for you 😉

Joking aside, what would go there? Big supermarket, no point with Tesco, Aldi and M&S already there so I would have thought not. Department store, Debenhams is still there vacant. DIY, B&Q is opposite. The only thing that I could see would make it profitable there for Swann is some sort of distribution centre but when you look at the size of them it’s probably lacking by at least a half. Does he own any adjoining land along the 181? It’d be a decent spot for an Amazon but is there enough space just on the football land?

I heard via someone who knows someone that the land has been valued at £150k per acre. The area owned by the club equates to approximately 10 acres, so doing the simple maths worth £1.5m.

Swann on the other hand, wants close to its peak value of £350k, coming in at some £2m more. The man lives in cloud cuckoo land, though that’s been clear to all for some time.

Whatever happens, he’s getting nothing like his money back. That ship sailed a long time about. But would he send Scunny under for the sake of a couple of million. It’s abundantly clear that he would.

Quoted from LN8Mariner

Sorted it for you 😉

Joking aside, what would go there? Big supermarket, no point with Tesco, Aldi and M&S already there so I would have thought not. Department store, Debenhams is still there vacant. DIY, B&Q is opposite. The only thing that I could see would make it profitable there for Swann is some sort of distribution centre but when you look at the size of them it’s probably lacking by at least a half. Does he own any adjoining land along the 181? It’d be a decent spot for an Amazon but is there enough space just on the football land?

Housing estate would be my guess.

Quoted from LN8Mariner

Sorted it for you 😉

Joking aside, what would go there? Big supermarket, no point with Tesco, Aldi and M&S already there so I would have thought not. Department store, Debenhams is still there vacant. DIY, B&Q is opposite. The only thing that I could see would make it profitable there for Swann is some sort of distribution centre but when you look at the size of them it’s probably lacking by at least a half. Does he own any adjoining land along the 181? It’d be a decent spot for an Amazon but is there enough space just on the football land?

Amazon have recently opened a huge hub in Stockton and are closing 3 of their other hubs later this year; one of which is Doncaster so Amazon won't be interested.

I saw a rumour recently about the NHS being interested.

How did the transfer of the ground even go through without someone putting two and two together? (Not a dig at the fact their fans can’t count!). I’d like to think that had J*** F**** done that, there would’ve been a lynch mob marching down humberstone ave with pitch forks etc

Absolutely no way that Amazon would build a warehouse there. Nowhere near any real population centres, a distance away from the main transport routes. Expanding the Donny warehouse would make more sense, but they are closing that down anyway.

My money is in a development sale for commuter housing near the motorway connection to the M180.

Got housing written all over it. Built up area around the West of Scunthorpe near the M181, good connections to the motorway system, infrastructure and amenities already nearby.

Cynic would say with the Scunthorpe Lakes, or whatever the development was going to be called, hitting the buffers this is a stop-gap to continue to expansion towards that end of the Town, filling up brownfield space to the limits of the original development plans.

Swann knows exactly what he's doing here and it absolutely stinks. This won't be a plan he's doing alone though, be many fingers in this horrid pie.

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be many fingers in this horrid pie.

Typical dig at poor old Scunthorpe people

Quoted from LN8Mariner

Sorted it for you 😉

Joking aside, what would go there? Big supermarket, no point with Tesco, Aldi and M&S already there so I would have thought not. Department store, Debenhams is still there vacant. DIY, B&Q is opposite. The only thing that I could see would make it profitable there for Swann is some sort of distribution centre but when you look at the size of them it’s probably lacking by at least a half. Does he own any adjoining land along the 181? It’d be a decent spot for an Amazon but is there enough space just on the football land?

E.G.
SUFC site is over 17 acres. At 18 houses per acre density that's 300 + houses. At £50K (conservative) per building plot that £15 Million.

Quoted from GrimPol

E.G.
SUFC site is over 17 acres. At 18 houses per acre density that's 300 + houses. At £50K (conservative) per building plot that £15 Million.

Where do you get 17 acres from, out of interest? It’s more like 10, by my reckoning, unless they own more of the surrounding land than is immediately obvious.

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Where do you get 17 acres from, out of interest? It’s more like 10, by my reckoning, unless they own more of the surrounding land than is immediately obvious.

Carpark to East of the Ground. It's all a crude measure, but it shows how Swann thinks. If I'm half right, he's got £7.5 million.
Why else would he separate the "Club" from the "Ground" It's all been done before.
Now potential buyers of the club can only buy, what exactly? Where will they play?
It's not looking good for them.

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Got housing written all over it. Built up area around the West of Scunthorpe near the M181, good connections to the motorway system, infrastructure and amenities already nearby.

Cynic would say with the Scunthorpe Lakes, or whatever the development was going to be called, hitting the buffers this is a stop-gap to continue to expansion towards that end of the Town, filling up brownfield space to the limits of the original development plans.

Swann knows exactly what he's doing here and it absolutely stinks. This won't be a plan he's doing alone though, be many fingers in this horrid pie.

Swann tried a similar thing at Gainsborough Trinity.
Excerpt from Swann Wikii Page "On 28 August 2012, Swann announced he would leave his position as owner of the club for health reasons but had agreed to finance them until the end of the season and would leave them debt free.[9]

Swann later admitted he was walking away from the club in part because the "Blues Club" social club who owned The Northolme would not sell the ground to him, despite stating he didn't want to sell the stadium he only wanted it for the club and the fans.[10]

Goodone innit.

It stinks. Makes Fenty look like the fairly godmother.

Thank goodness we have Jason and Andrew owning our club.

Kieran Maguire has gone all in on Peter Swann again today.

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Just as a point of interest, what would be the National League's stand on Scunthorpe having a winding up order hanging over them?

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Just as a point of interest, what would be the National League's stand on Scunthorpe having a winding up order hanging over them?

The "winding-up petition" is a debtor's last option of focusing a company's mind on the unpaid debt. They have to show the High Court that this is the last resort to get paid as the company is not servicing its debts, and hence cannot go on, as by law it is illegal to trade into un-serviceable debt. It will take 20-75 days for it to be heard in the High Court from the served petition. The assumption is that the board is running around to get some money to pay HMRC off. Of course, loans are out of the question against the club, unless someone is willing to privately guarantee the loan.
If the club goes into administration the National League subtract 10 points.
In the next 3 to 10 weeks The Iron could be extinct. Not good for football.

Quoted from GrimPol

The "winding-up petition" is a debtor's last option of focusing a company's mind on the unpaid debt. They have to show the High Court that this is the last resort to get paid as the company is not servicing its debts, and hence cannot go on, as by law it is illegal to trade into un-serviceable debt. It will take 20-75 days for it to be heard in the High Court from the served petition. The assumption is that the board is running around to get some money to pay HMRC off. Of course, loans are out of the question against the club, unless someone is willing to privately guarantee the loan.
If the club goes into administration the National League subtract 10 points.
In the next 3 to 10 weeks The Iron could be extinct. Not good for football.

And if they get relegated the points go onto the following season, i think.

Quoted from GrimPol

The "winding-up petition" is a debtor's last option of focusing a company's mind on the unpaid debt. They have to show the High Court that this is the last resort to get paid as the company is not servicing its debts, and hence cannot go on, as by law it is illegal to trade into un-serviceable debt. It will take 20-75 days for it to be heard in the High Court from the served petition. The assumption is that the board is running around to get some money to pay HMRC off. Of course, loans are out of the question against the club, unless someone is willing to privately guarantee the loan.
If the club goes into administration the National League subtract 10 points.
In the next 3 to 10 weeks The Iron could be extinct. Not good for football.

Why would swann be running around trying to get money to pay off HMRC - Wouldn't it suit coolsilk to have a load of land to sell without a football club wanting to play there? Or am I missing something - Genuine question.

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Why would swann be running around trying to get money to pay off HMRC - Wouldn't it suit coolsilk to have a load of land to sell without a football club wanting to play there? Or am I missing something - Genuine question.

A pattern has appeared. Also can I mention Asset Stripping?

At Gainsborough Trinity the only asset was the Stadium, in a prominent position, which is owned by the supporters club The Blues.
Swann left, due to illhealth, after negotiations broke down to buy the stadium(at the right price)
After a miraculous recovery, he buys to run SUFC, another struggling club, which had a stadium in again a prominent place. Sounds familiar?
If its correct his main company has lost £48 million, and his gambling debts are in the millions, and his business ventures are/have stalled, he has to get money from somewhere.
IF SUFC go into administration,(and drag themselves half-dead around the National League whilst the administrator sells whats left) then surely they go down. If a Phoenix club arises, they have no legal contracts in place to play at GP. The landlord has no tenants so can sell the land any way they please.
If anyone intimates that this has been engineered, it's certainly not I.
But Scunthorpe are not dead yet, they have a feeble pulse for sure, so there is still some hope. Fingers Crossed eh?

How much do SuFc owe HMRC? If the transfer of the stadium cleared the debt to Swann, then the remaining debts are probably reasonably modest. So a new owner would acquire a club with no assets but only small debts. It’s possible someone might be willing to take it on, albeit acquiring a homeless club. But they would still have a National League membership. I guess the crucial question is how much Swann would want for the asset less club? He could basically give it away and do what he wants with the land.

So there could be a route to salvage the club providing Swann doesn’t demand a silly price for it.

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How much do SuFc owe HMRC? If the transfer of the stadium cleared the debt to Swann, then the remaining debts are probably reasonably modest. So a new owner would acquire a club with no assets but only small debts. It’s possible someone might be willing to take it on, albeit acquiring a homeless club. But they would still have a National League membership. I guess the crucial question is how much Swann would want for the asset less club? He could basically give it away and do what he wants with the land.

So there could be a route to salvage the club providing Swann doesn’t demand a silly price for it.

Swann has an ailing hotel project on the go and, whilst still holding on to the land/stadium for £11 million against his loans, is also an additional £9 million in hock. Apparently, Mrs Swann is, understandably, less than happy. Hence, with his additional gambling debt, he’s trying to wriggle out with the best deal he can get.

It's just the name for me. Fancy calling a company 'Coolsilk' by choice! If I was an investor, I'd be backing away carefully after hearing the name. The idea that a 5 star hotel is really necessary in Blackpool is an odd one to me as well. If it ever opens, I'd imagine the advertising will have the 5 star part in inverted commas.

Coolsilk might be a decent name for a company if it was flogging really good lube, I suppose.

As much as I dislike scunny, I hope they get through this, even if it means starting again as a phoenix and ground-shearing with Gainsborough. In comparison Swann makes Fenty look like a saint. The sad thing is the writing has been on the wall for years.

I personally think that a phoenix club is their only chance. Swann has definitely killed them. They just haven't realised it yet.

I hope they've got one or two fans with the wherewithal and time to set up and get backing for a phoenix club in due course. If so, I'm sure the fans will then rally round in the way that usually occurs with phoenix clubs.

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Kieran Maguire has gone all in on Peter Swann again today.

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Interesting this as it highlights the reserves on the balance sheet I wonder if they’re making any operating profit through their P&L’s?

I think it’s a shocking situation and to a degree feel sorry for their supporters.

Quoted from RonMariner

How much do SuFc owe HMRC? If the transfer of the stadium cleared the debt to Swann, then the remaining debts are probably reasonably modest. So a new owner would acquire a club with no assets but only small debts. It’s possible someone might be willing to take it on, albeit acquiring a homeless club. But they would still have a National League membership. I guess the crucial question is how much Swann would want for the asset less club? He could basically give it away and do what he wants with the land.

So there could be a route to salvage the club providing Swann doesn’t demand a silly price for it.

Im led to believe the tax bill is around 150k

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It's just the name for me. Fancy calling a company 'Coolsilk' by choice! If I was an investor, I'd be backing away carefully after hearing the name. The idea that a 5 star hotel is really necessary in Blackpool is an odd one to me as well. If it ever opens, I'd imagine the advertising will have the 5 star part in inverted commas.

Coolsilk might be a decent name for a company if it was flogging really good lube, I suppose.

The prize for that was won years ago by Fuchs Lubricants, 2nd place is probably still up for grabs with Coolsilk though!

Quoted from RonMariner

How much do SuFc owe HMRC? If the transfer of the stadium cleared the debt to Swann, then the remaining debts are probably reasonably modest. So a new owner would acquire a club with no assets but only small debts. It’s possible someone might be willing to take it on, albeit acquiring a homeless club. But they would still have a National League membership. I guess the crucial question is how much Swann would want for the asset less club? He could basically give it away and do what he wants with the land.

So there could be a route to salvage the club providing Swann doesn’t demand a silly price for it.

I'm sure looking at the travails of football, wearing of Rose Tinted glasses helps. However, I'm wearing Grey Tinted glasses as I feel the big issues surrounding Coolsilk only makes SUFC a rung of a ladder to get out of his own current mire.
Peter D Swann was born in the Oakham area, so has no connection with Gainsborough Trinity or Scunthorpe Utd, so what made him buy into them? A willy extension or profit?

I remember when Swann did the IronBru podcast just after our takeover and was pretty offended to be compared to JF. I think it is JF who should be offended to be compared to Swann if anything....

Quoted from Maringer

It's just the name for me. Fancy calling a company 'Coolsilk' by choice! If I was an investor, I'd be backing away carefully after hearing the name. The idea that a 5 star hotel is really necessary in Blackpool is an odd one to me as well. If it ever opens, I'd imagine the advertising will have the 5 star part in inverted commas.

Coolsilk might be a decent name for a company if it was flogging really good lube, I suppose.

It only costs £12 to set up a company. Coolsilk has racehorses so ??

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I remember when Swann did the IronBru podcast just after our takeover and was pretty offended to be compared to JF. I think it is JF who should be offended to be compared to Swann if anything....

While we were going nowhere under JF there was never any chance of liquidation . The only debt we had was th JF himself .

Looks like Scunny are having an Alex May moment. Ex notts county owner leading a consortium to take over at Scunny

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Out of the frying pan... straight down the shitter.

Not everyone will agree with this & i await the reds but i really hope they survive , swann been a terrible owner & i'm not going into his gambling just hope they can get owners that can save club for the fans & community

This thread is sinking faster than Scunny themselves. It needs more action. Who are they losing to tomorrow?

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This thread is sinking faster than Scunny themselves. It needs more action. Who are they losing to tomorrow?

They're at home to Padraig Amond's Woking. 4th in the table.

Rhys Browne is at Woking too and is flying. 13 in 23 so far this year. Looked a real prospect when we signed him and had Bolton on toast during the FA Cup game under Dave Moore back in 2016. Shame it didn't work out for him here, seem to recall he had not long last his Dad and wanted to be closer to home.

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They're at home to Padraig Amond's Woking. 4th in the table.

Rhys Browne is at Woking too and is flying. 13 in 23 so far this year. Looked a real prospect when we signed him and had Bolton on toast during the FA Cup game under Dave Moore back in 2016. Shame it didn't work out for him here, seem to recall he had not long last his Dad and wanted to be closer to home.

And they both scored in the 2-0 win for Woking.

Agents Amond and Browne hard at work there.

I hope scunthorpe can be saved from extinction, but I do so want them to be relegated.

Looks like Swann and the consortium are miles apart on their valuations.

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Looks like Swann and the consortium are miles apart on their valuations.

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Just last year he "bought" Glandford Park for the £11 million debt, why would he take £1.25 million now?

He wants 3.5million for the land and a quid for ‘Scunthorpe United’ according to a Scunny mate of mine , dunno if it’s true

Quoted from supertown

He wants 3.5million for the land and a quid for ‘Scunthorpe United’ according to a Scunny mate of mine , dunno if it’s true

You can’t blame him, that still constitutes a whacking great loss overall, and the £1.25m they offered does seem a low offer. Whilst you’d be loathe to pay a quid for a relegation-bound conference club, their ground, despite being drab and as bad as ours, is still not worthless.

Quoted from Heisenberg

You can’t blame him, that still constitutes a whacking great loss overall, and the £1.25m they offered does seem a low offer. Whilst you’d be loathe to pay a quid for a relegation-bound conference club, their ground, despite being drab and as bad as ours, is still not worthless.

You most certainly fúcking can blame him. The bloke spent £11m trying to increase the value of the company he owned for the purpose of his own financial gain and wound up reducing its true market value to the sum total of fúck all. That’s a special kind of fúck up by a spectacularly special man.

The sad thing is that, such is football, it is not only the owner of the asset that suffers greatly for his catastrophic mistakes.

I’ve no idea of the kind of legislation it would require or even if it’s possible, but I’d like to see football clubs and the like given special status which protects them against gross mismanagement (or at least punishes those in control for any harm they cause to a community asset).

Swann’s actions will cause considerable, lasting harm and distress to thousands of people that follow Scunthorpe United. They should be considered criminal, and yet they are not.

Drastic change is needed or this will continue to happen again and again to historic football clubs that have been in existence for the best part of a century and a half in some cases. And just because it’s not us right now, it doesn’t mean it can’t be in the future.

Fans of lower league clubs really need to unite over this, if not for Scunny, for their own clubs.

Quoted from Poojah

You most certainly fúcking can blame him. The bloke spent £11m trying to increase the value of the company he owned for the purpose of his own financial gain and wound up reducing its true market value to the sum total of fúck all. That’s a special kind of fúck up by a spectacularly special man.

The sad thing is that, such is football, it is not only the owner of the asset that suffers greatly for his catastrophic mistakes.

I’ve no idea of the kind of legislation it would require or even if it’s possible, but I’d like to see football clubs and the like given special status which protects them against gross mismanagement (or at least punishes those in control for any harm they cause to a community asset).

Swann’s actions will cause considerable, lasting harm and distress to thousands of people that follow Scunthorpe United. They should be considered criminal, and yet they are not.

Drastic change is needed or this will continue to happen again and again to historic football clubs that have been in existence for the best part of a century and a half in some cases. And just because it’s not us right now, it doesn’t mean it can’t be in the future.

Fans of lower league clubs really need to unite over this, if not for Scunny, for their own clubs.

Exactly this . Imagine how powerful the image would be ... Grimsby fans and Scunthorpe fans United in one cause .

At least we seem to have dodged that bullet.

I may be wrong but would very much doubt if the current ownership would behave like Swann, even those who contributed to the Guardian, previously known as the Manchester Guardian……well they lost that tag many years ago….

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At least we seem to have dodged that bullet.

I may be wrong but would very much doubt if the current ownership would behave like Swann, even those who contributed to the Guardian, previously known as the Manchester Guardian……well they lost that tag many years ago….

I’m very confident of that fact. I also believe they’d only hand the club over to someone with the right intentions and proven capability, but at some point in the future who knows what state we might ourselves in at some point in the future.

Quoted from supertown

He wants 3.5million for the land and a quid for ‘Scunthorpe United’ according to a Scunny mate of mine , dunno if it’s true

The land is worthless unless it can be redeveloped, that removes the car parking from the ground which the planning authority won't allow. To get value from the land, if the club is viable, a comparable new ground would have to be provided at £x million cost. None of that adds up to me. The only way it works is the club goes bust and the land is then freed up for redevelopment. The planning authority could still insist on a football ground being reprovided, but if it's a phoenix club way down the league pyramid maybe they would accept something with prefab stands and 5k capacity, don't know.

No tangible solution to that without Swann losing his shirt.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

No tangible solution to that without Swann losing his shirt.

Do you mind, just about to have tea!

Quoted from Poojah

You most certainly fúcking can blame him. The bloke spent £11m trying to increase the value of the company he owned for the purpose of his own financial gain and wound up reducing its true market value to the sum total of fúck all. That’s a special kind of fúck up by a spectacularly special man.

The sad thing is that, such is football, it is not only the owner of the asset that suffers greatly for his catastrophic mistakes.

I’ve no idea of the kind of legislation it would require or even if it’s possible, but I’d like to see football clubs and the like given special status which protects them against gross mismanagement (or at least punishes those in control for any harm they cause to a community asset).

Swann’s actions will cause considerable, lasting harm and distress to thousands of people that follow Scunthorpe United. They should be considered criminal, and yet they are not.

Drastic change is needed or this will continue to happen again and again to historic football clubs that have been in existence for the best part of a century and a half in some cases. And just because it’s not us right now, it doesn’t mean it can’t be in the future.

Fans of lower league clubs really need to unite over this, if not for Scunny, for their own clubs.

Of course I do get that, but he’s hardly gonna cut his losses and give the whole thing away, is he? If he gave the whole package away for a quid, including the ground, saving the club, then the new owners could quite feasibly sell it on for a couple of million or so at a later date, which would rile any business person.

Of course he’s to blame for all this overspending, but the Scunny fans weren’t complaining when they were winning. It only becomes an issue when you start getting relegated.

He’s got himself stuck in a hole here, and he’s gonna try and get something back after wasting all that cash.

Some are making noises about the state of the game and the way clubs are financed, but whether anything comes of it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64285556

Quoted from ginnywings

Some are making noises about the state of the game and the way clubs are financed, but whether anything comes of it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64285556

Jason Stockwood has just done an interview on Sports Talk about this. Excellent interview, very good listen. Suggests that better distribution of money from the top clubs would create a culture where clubs didn’t rely on vanity project owners and things like salary cap could be brought in and regulated and finances would be sustainable.

Quoted from ginnywings

Some are making noises about the state of the game and the way clubs are financed, but whether anything comes of it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64285556

The problem is that they're assuming by giving more money down the pyramid that it won't all get spunked on player wages as clubs all spend every penny trying to get promoted. The only way to force sustainability is to put a salary cap as a percentage of income, which got ruled illegal when challenged. The more money clubs have, the more they'll spend as we see at all levels.

Quoted from ginnywings

Some are making noises about the state of the game and the way clubs are financed, but whether anything comes of it...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/64285556

I know the efl hate the parachute payments for clubs from prem dropping into the championship because it gives so much money to them compared to clubs already in the championship. But I was wondering what is the amount and how much does it compare to a championship club?

I wonder if this will likely mean the end of parachute payments for clubs dropping out of the efl, as that is hard to justify for the efl if they persuade the prem it isn't acceptable for them to do it. I believe clubs dropping into NL get 1 year of full premiership solidarity payments (about 450k I think) and another year of half payments. So for the first year about 45 times the amount a NL club gets for their TV deal (10k I believe).

I do think a multi year parachute payment for dropping to NL is hard to justify when so few contracts are beyond 2 years at this level anyway.

Quoted from pen penfras

The problem is that they're assuming by giving more money down the pyramid that it won't all get spunked on player wages as clubs all spend every penny trying to get promoted. The only way to force sustainability is to put a salary cap as a percentage of income, which got ruled illegal when challenged. The more money clubs have, the more they'll spend as we see at all levels.

You're probably correct, but if the extra money also came with stricter expenditure rules, then that has to be a good thing I would have thought. The loopholes and workarounds need to be shut off.

I thought the salary cap that was challenged was the same for every team and not a percentage of income, though I may be wrong there.

Quoted from toontown

I know the efl hate the parachute payments for clubs from prem dropping into the championship because it gives so much money to them compared to clubs already in the championship. But I was wondering what is the amount and how much does it compare to a championship club?

I wonder if this will likely mean the end of parachute payments for clubs dropping out of the efl, as that is hard to justify for the efl if they persuade the prem it isn't acceptable for them to do it. I believe clubs dropping into NL get 1 year of full premiership solidarity payments (about 450k I think) and another year of half payments. So for the first year about 45 times the amount a NL club gets for their TV deal (10k I believe).

I do think a multi year parachute payment for dropping to NL is hard to justify when so few contracts are beyond 2 years at this level anyway.

Based on the current tv deal they receive around £40m in year 1, £30m in year 2 and £15m in year 3. So in total best part of £85 to £90m. Best suggestion I heard re this came from Simon Jordan who pointed out that in most seasons at least one of the previously relegated clubs gets promoted straight back in which case the parachute payments are not made. He believes that as this money is already budgeted for it should be shared equally between League 1 & 2 clubs. This doesn’t cost the Premiership anymore but would be a godsend to smaller clubs. Thinking about how many times Fulham, Norwich & WBA have moved up and down in the last few years and you realise that this would be life changing money to lower league clubs.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Based on the current tv deal they receive around £40m in year 1, £30m in year 2 and £15m in year 3. So in total best part of £85 to £90m. Best suggestion I heard re this came from Simon Jordan who pointed out that in most seasons at least one of the previously relegated clubs gets promoted straight back in which case the parachute payments are not made. He believes that as this money is already budgeted for it should be shared equally between League 1 & 2 clubs. This doesn’t cost the Premiership anymore but would be a godsend to smaller clubs. Thinking about how many times Fulham, Norwich & WBA have moved up and down in the last few years and you realise that this would be life changing money to lower league clubs.

But what happens when a relegated club doesn't get promoted straight back? Lg1 and 2 clubs get less money. Some clubs would no doubt take a risk and have budgeted to be getting it, and then find themselves short. Would cause more problems in my opinion.

Probably better off saying prem can get it back if it happens but we get more guaranteed money so there isn't the risk of potential big swings in income.

I don’t always agree with Pen but he makes a valid point in that, you can facade as much money as you like down th leagues but it’s unlikely to stop the likes of Swann doing what they’re doing.

It would be difficult to impose spending restrictions on clubs, or as the DfE do with schools, provide cash for key areas which must be proven etc because ultimately clubs would likely vote against that.

It would be swallowed up on wages. The book soccernomics argues that investment on a wages level, long term usually leads to a level of success rather than big transfer fees but that still doesn’t mean the model is sustainable. We made it out of a league by grit, determination and some luck along the way but there’s one team in there literally spaffing money left right and centre chasing a dream of the football league. Cascading money without some sort of ring faced approach or fixed terms would just lead this to happen at more clubs.

Some may argue that it would lead to more teams being competitive but those clubs being operated by idiot owners, the ones taking money out, the ones lacking any ideas, vision or understanding of keeping the club sustainable would still intercourse it.

So whilst I agree that cascading cash further down the pyramid could be useful and probably should happen, it would need tight restrictions and clear guidance on what it can and can’t be spent on…although, as top clubs have proven, get the right legal team and you can manipulate things to be anytbinf they want and circumvent rules and regulations…

And it wouldn’t stop the likes of Swann ruining a club…

Money will just be used on the playing side, this needs a big change / decision like football clubs are like listed buildings, and cannot be sold (even to a holding company). Its like it needs the FA to take the club of the owner (who has shown bad practices) and give it to the trust, but this would never happen as no one would buy the clubs.

But it needs something like this.

You have to wonder what power football has to essentially be left alone every time a club goes bust, yet the Digital, Culture,Media and Sport select committee can hold a thorough examination of 2 collapsed rugby clubs within a matter of months and tell everyone how crap they were run. Bear in mind the Worcester owners also own/owned 2 football clubs but the DCMS doesn't say a word about that (Morcambe and Worcester Raiders). You can see how people like Swann get away with it, football is too powerful to be held to account it seems ...

Report scathing of 'unscrupulous' Worcester owners
The DCMS committee added that Worcester Warriors' "unscrupulous owners mismanaged club finances while attempting to strip the club of its assets", and that they had gone more than a year without filing accounts, with players paid late for several months.

The committee said "one of the most striking facets of the problems at Worcester Warriors was the lack of due diligence undertaken regarding its owners, particularly Colin Goldring".

Last May, the club's co-owner Goldring was banned from working in the legal profession without the permission of the Solicitors Regulation Authority.

"This was seemingly not enough for the Rugby Football Union (RFU) to intervene and end Mr Goldring's ownership of Worcester Warriors," the DCMS committee added.

At that time, the club issued a statement saying: "All regulatory bodies expressed to Goldring that they were satisfied he was fit and proper to own and be director of a sports club."

Goldring, who was a trainee solicitor at the time the incident occurred, said then that he had been cleared of "any allegations of dishonesty or lack of integrity".

In response to the DCMS report, which Goldring said he had not seen, he denied claims of asset stripping.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/64297517

I see Man U’s manager is talking about having a maximum weekly wage of about £200k, in theory so that everyone is on the same level, don’t know how that will work when player A has a choice of Man U at £200k or Man City at £350 per week.so yes the majority of money at all levels will always go into player wages.

Quoted from Gaffer58

I see Man U’s manager is talking about having a maximum weekly wage of about £200k, in theory so that everyone is on the same level, don’t know how that will work when player A has a choice of Man U at £200k or Man City at £350 per week.so yes the majority of money at all levels will always go into player wages.

£200k base.

They would still receive performance bonuses, image rights etc on top of that.

Quoted from Gaffer58

I see Man U’s manager is talking about having a maximum weekly wage of about £200k, in theory so that everyone is on the same level, don’t know how that will work when player A has a choice of Man U at £200k or Man City at £350 per week.so yes the majority of money at all levels will always go into player wages.

Probably choose Man U if it were me in that scenario.

Quoted from mariner91

Probably choose Man U if it were me in that scenario.

I still think I’d take the £199,650 / week hit, if I’m honest.

I could not play for less than 300,000 grand a week.

You can not under value the product . ;D

Now where have I heard that before ?

salary caps are all well and good, but, as is the common case in many industries there are ways around it.

i used to go to a bar/restaurant in London where some of the staff were from brazil, on student visa's, so could only "work" 16 hours a week. what the owners did, was pay them double and they voluntarily worked extra hours. am sure this would happen with regards footballers i.e. player gets max allowed at £200k per week (the poor mite!) and then gets an extra £200k a week from a "sponsor".

the parachute payments that are given to clubs should imho, be seen to be used in the clubs infrastructure (football in the community, retaining office/matchday staff, youth development etc) and not spunked on players in the hope of gaining promotion. though, i guess its easy to say this, as it is extremely unlikely that we will make it through the golden gates into the premier league.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

salary caps are all well and good, but, as is the common case in many industries there are ways around it.

i used to go to a bar/restaurant in London where some of the staff were from brazil, on student visa's, so could only "work" 16 hours a week. what the owners did, was pay them double and they voluntarily worked extra hours. am sure this would happen with regards footballers i.e. player gets max allowed at £200k per week (the poor mite!) and then gets an extra £200k a week from a "sponsor".

the parachute payments that are given to clubs should imho, be seen to be used in the clubs infrastructure (football in the community, retaining office/matchday staff, youth development etc) and not spunked on players in the hope of gaining promotion. though, i guess its easy to say this, as it is extremely unlikely that we will make it through the golden gates into the premier league.

Absolutely right mate - Sarries famously circumvented the salary cap by the chairman starting up 'companies' for 'property investment' with their players, so paying them £300k a year on the books and then in a totally separate and not at all linked business venture he would stick £100k into a company with just him and the player as directors.......they won like 5 leagues and 3 euro cups before it was discovered. In all sport money will find a way - was it Mancini at Man City who got around FFP by being paid £3m a year to coach city but then £10m a year as a 'consultant' to the Chinese team that the sheiks also owned?

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

Absolutely right mate - Sarries famously circumvented the salary cap by the chairman starting up 'companies' for 'property investment' with their players, so paying them £300k a year on the books and then in a totally separate and not at all linked business venture he would stick £100k into a company with just him and the player as directors.......they won like 5 leagues and 3 euro cups before it was discovered. In all sport money will find a way - was it Mancini at Man City who got around FFP by being paid £3m a year to coach city but then £10m a year as a 'consultant' to the Chinese team that the sheiks also owned?

i think the majority of teams in the Gallagher have had financial trouble. it all started with the demise of London Welsh but i know many teams have been publicly scrutinized. my beloved Gloucester being one of them.

i think there will be more teams going the way of wasps and Worcester unfortunately as the player demand becomes more and more and teams try (no pun intended) to compete with the money clubs in France (noticably Clermont and Toulon). the only way that this can stop is by paying an incentive/loyalty payment as such to each England player to remain in the premiership. which then contradicts the salary cap in the first place

Local consortium have pulled out. Not looking good.

Game over

Tweet 1616060309969436672 will appear here...

That guy from Notts County who got his pecker out on Twitter is their only hope and Notts fans are saying it would be better to go bust and start again than have him.

Don't think Hardy has a pot to urine now does he?

He'll only be a front man for a consortium. Which would absolutely beg the question why would a consortium be interested in a crumbling fifth tier side, one heading towards the sixth tier.

Just realised now what UTI stands for…….

Some medical condition down below that women get a lot……

Quoted from diehardmariner

Don't think Hardy has a pot to urine now does he?

He'll only be a front man for a consortium. Which would absolutely beg the question why would a consortium be interested in a crumbling fifth tier side, one heading towards the sixth tier.

Doesn't Hardy have links to Alex Whatshisname?

The best way this can play out is that fans demonstrate against Hardy buying the club and he pulls out leaving Swann with no bids. The damage may be multiple relegations or a phoenix club but their future would be far more promising with the locals at the helm than Hardy.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Doesn't Hardy have links to Alex Whatshisname?

The best way this can play out is that fans demonstrate against Hardy buying the club and he pulls out leaving Swann with no bids. The damage may be multiple relegations or a phoenix club but their future would be far more promising with the locals at the helm than Hardy.

Funny you should mention Alex May, apparently he was an advisor in a Take Over bid for Notts County before he got involved with Fenty. Allegedly

It’s a dire situation. I can’t help thinking that if the fraudster wasn’t outed back in 2020 we might easily be in trouble ourselves, though maybe not in as deep a hole.

Maybe we should consider how lucky we are to have the luxury of moaning about lack of transfer activity half way through the transfer window as our main beef with the club at this time!

Quoted from RonMariner

It’s a dire situation. I can’t help thinking that if the fraudster wasn’t outed back in 2020 we might easily be in trouble ourselves, though maybe not in as deep a hole.

Maybe we should consider how lucky we are to have the luxury of moaning about lack of transfer activity half way through the transfer window as our main beef with the club at this time!

Definitely, it would not have ended well. Was it the journalist James Findlater who rumbled what was going on?

Quoted from psgmariner

Local consortium have pulled out. Not looking good.

...depending on your viewpoint 😏

Quoted from moosey_club

...depending on your viewpoint 😏

Yep, I’m one of those too, if only to take my mind off the poor form and the slight chance of being in a relegation dogfight again. I can’t be doing with it, and the Scunny thing just reminds me that, for once, someone’s got it worse than us, and I’m glad.

I know that’s a bit rich after the incredible events of last year, but evened out over the past 25 years, we’ve been a disaster. Someone else’s turn.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

Thank goodness, for a sensible comment on this topic. Some of the previous comments have been shameful. Yes, there may have been a few idiots on this board goading us when we were in trouble but that is no reason to wish bad tidiings on all the fans of SUFC. The genuine fans of Scunthorpe will be going through hell at the state of their club. They are in troublke because of bad decisions from the directors/owner etc. We had the same and were heading for oblivion before the new owners took over. People in greenhouses should not throw stones and rather remember this is a fragile sport. We are doing well but shoudl not be compalcent about it lasting for ever. And I stick to my point that three strong FL teams in Lincolsnhrie is good for the county and would be even better if there were six derby games every season to bring in cash. Healthy rivalry - yes. Slagging off and wishing the demise of a rival- no. UTM

Well said Hampshire. Why despise an entire club because of a few tech warriors posting that they wanted our demise? Those kind of people probably don't even go to the Scunny game, they are sat in the bedroom in Y-fronts playing computer games. Focussing on Scunny's failure is a waste of time and energy. Put it into making Town better supported. It's a playground mentality.

Quoted from Gaffer58

I see Man U’s manager is talking about having a maximum weekly wage of about £200k, in theory so that everyone is on the same level, don’t know how that will work when player A has a choice of Man U at £200k or Man City at £350 per week.so yes the majority of money at all levels will always go into player wages.

It would need to be a FIFA thing. If Premier League do put in a cap, then the French Italian Spanish German Leagues would just gain players. And there is always Saudi Qatari and other money.
Aint easy.

Quoted from GrimPol

It would need to be a FIFA thing. If Premier League do put in a cap, then the French Italian Spanish German Leagues would just gain players. And there is always Saudi Qatari and other money.
Aint easy.

and ironic (no pun intended!) that a player on that kind of money could just nip down to the local branch of Santander and cough up a weeks wages to save a club from extinction. times that by the amount of players in the premier league earning that amount (avg possibly 10 per club) and it soon dawns on you what a ridiculous situation it is

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

and ironic (no pun intended!) that a player on that kind of money could just nip down to the local branch of Santander and cough up a weeks wages to save a club from extinction. times that by the amount of players in the premier league earning that amount (avg possibly 10 per club) and it soon dawns on you what a ridiculous situation it is

Politicians and the likes squirrelling money away in the Caymans, avoiding tax but they go after a club that owes a measly 150k…

If it was just £150k I don’t think there would be a problem finding new owners. But it will cost a few million to buy the club and ground. Then it will require substantial investment to get the squad anywhere close to being serious promotion candidates in the NL.

They need someone with very deep pockets to come along,

Quoted from aldi_01

Politicians and the likes squirrelling money away in the Caymans, avoiding tax but they go after a club that owes a measly 150k…

How dare you circumvent your anger at the politicians. They would never do that or take back handers or pay for any unsolicited entertainment or take funds from the tax payer or pay for their homes to be refurbished (you know, the one that they hide their ‘bedroom friends’ in) etc etc

🤔 🧐 🤨

Quoted from RonMariner

If it was just £150k I don’t think there would be a problem finding new owners. But it will cost a few million to buy the club and ground. Then it will require substantial investment to get the squad anywhere close to being serious promotion candidates in the NL.

They need someone with very deep pockets to come along,

You can buy the club and the stadium but Swann won’t sell the car park as he has ideas to build apartments on it.

I’m beginning to think that it wouldn’t matter if Elon Musk wanted Scunny, Swann will not relinquish control or ownership of the car park. He’s a desperate man, a man with a gambling problem and I suspect, a man that is not in a harmonious relationship given the money wasted etc.

They’ve brought in a financial company to essentially make them more saleable but it won’t make a blind bit of difference because Swann won’t budge on his valuation and he, and he alone holds the key…

Scunny need an Alex May moment…

Quoted from aldi_01

Scunny need an Alex May moment…

They needed one a couple of years ago

Rumour has it that Hardy is due to take over Scunthorpe. You couldn't make it up . The worrying thing is most their fans are happy

Quoted from It Bites

Rumour has it that Hardy is due to take over Scunthorpe. You couldn't make it up . The worrying thing is most their fans are happy

Is Laurel going to be co-owner?

Quoted from It Bites

Rumour has it that Hardy is due to take over Scunthorpe. You couldn't make it up . The worrying thing is most their fans are happy

He made a right sharp object of himself at County.

Quoted from It Bites

Rumour has it that Hardy is due to take over Scunthorpe. You couldn't make it up . The worrying thing is most their fans are happy

They will be given the alternative. Problem being that they could be out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Only time will tell but I do hope they survive. We don't want to see another lower league club go t1ts up.

Quoted from ginnywings

They will be given the alternative. Problem being that they could be out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Only time will tell but I do hope they survive. We don't want to see another lower league club go t1ts up.

Bit of a dilemma.
Sell your soul to the Devil or Extinction.

Quoted from GrimPol

Bit of a dilemma.
Sell your soul to the Devil or Extinction.

If your sinking, you don't care who throws you the life belt - you just care that you get it. Thin this is the feeling Scunny fans are experiencing now.

Quoted from GrimPol

Bit of a dilemma.
Sell your soul to the Devil or Extinction.

Don't want to see no club go extinct eg Scunthrope . Has given community plus the highs and the lows throughout the years (even if they are rivals) to football fans from that area.

Quoted from It Bites

Rumour has it that Hardy is due to take over Scunthorpe. You couldn't make it up . The worrying thing is most their fans are happy

Friend of David Hilton? As he's more than likely going to be involved.

With Lavery going, they’ve no chance of making the playoffs now

Rumours of an imminent takeover from Ilkeston owners who have step down today stating a new venture helping a national League club from the brink
I believe they tried a takeover before but Swan rejected.
They might just save their club if not there status in the national league

Quoted from Stew0_0

Rumours of an imminent takeover from Ilkeston owners who have step down today stating a new venture helping a national League club from the brink
I believe they tried a takeover before but Swan rejected.
They might just save their club if not there status in the national league

There was a tweet from Alan Hardy saying he is no longer buying the club due to another party also wanting to buy the club.

When you look at the bottom 4 in the NL there is a gap starting to appear

20 Oldham               25 -8 27

21 Gateshead           26 -12 22
22 Torquay                26 -20 22
23 Maidstone United  29 -32 21
24 Scunthorpe          27 -23 19

Looking at this, and the fact their striker has left, Scunthorpe looks doomed to the NLN. I wouldn't want them to go out of business but it's a tall order for them to survive both on and off the pitch.

They’ll have an array of decent local away days next season so that’s a plus I suppose.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

They’ll have an array of decent local away days next season so that’s a plus I suppose.

Ah yes, lovely northern towns like Kings Lynn, Kidderminster, Brackley, Gloucester, Banbury, Peterborough, Hereford, Leamington Spa and Kettering,

Seriously, 24 teams in that league, 9 of them south of Derby (most of them well south). The most northern team in the southern variant is Oxford.

Northern non-league needs some levelling up money.

Got to be honest I looked at NLN table after i posted and realised they need to go down another step before they get many local games .

Quoted from Poojah

Ah yes, lovely northern towns like Kings Lynn, Kidderminster, Brackley, Gloucester, Banbury, Peterborough, Hereford, Leamington Spa and Kettering,

Seriously, 24 teams in that league, 9 of them south of Derby (most of them well south). The most northern team in the southern variant is Oxford.

Northern non-league needs some levelling up money.

It's insane that the 24 most northern teams ranked 117-164 in the English pyramid encompasses teams from Banbury, Gloucester, Peterborough, Kettering whilst also containing a strong cluster of clubs in the North East such as Spennymoor, Blyth, Darlington, Scarborough.

Go down a level, Basford and Ilkeston are in the Southern Central Premier; the equivalent to the Northern Premier which contains Gainsborough. Yet a level lower in the Northern Premier East Division you have Long Eaton United; who are 11 miles south of Basford.

Quoted from DB

When you look at the bottom 4 in the NL there is a gap starting to appear

20 Oldham               25 -8 27

21 Gateshead           26 -12 22
22 Torquay                26 -20 22
23 Maidstone United  29 -32 21
24 Scunthorpe          27 -23 19

Looking at this, and the fact their striker has left, Scunthorpe looks doomed to the NLN. I wouldn't want them to go out of business but it's a tall order for them to survive both on and off the pitch.

Yeovil in 19th are on 27 too,and like Oldham have two games in hand on the Scunts. After that its Maidenhead on 29. The gap to safety could easily be 10 points before long. With their main goal threat gone it is looking more likely by the week that they are going down again. Hard to believe they are in this situation given they were in the league 1 play offs 5 years ago.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Got to be honest I looked at NLN table after i posted and realised they need to go down another step before they get many local games .

They're on it

How many relegations before they're playing Clee Town and Grimsby Borough?

My local non league team Gainsborough Trinity are near the top of the Northern Premier division and whilst i think that the one automatic promotion spot will go to South Shields, i think Trinity have a good chance of promotion via the play offs. That would set up a local derby next year against scunthorpe in the national league north, should the increasingly likely relegation again for Scunny happen.

Quoted from Shipwrecked In Gainsborough

My local non league team Gainsborough Trinity are near the top of the Northern Premier division and whilst i think that the one automatic promotion spot will go to South Shields, i think Trinity have a good chance of promotion via the play offs. That would set up a local derby next year against scunthorpe in the national league north, should the increasingly likely relegation again for Scunny happen.

You never know, they might even ground share with Gainsborough. So who gets the home dressing room?

Not that all games aren't massive for them at the moment but on telly tonight away at Halifax, BT Sport.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Not that all games aren't massive for them at the moment but on telly tonight away at Halifax, BT Sport.

That's the evenings entertainment sorted then.... 😆

Scunthorpe have a new owner, things looking up for them.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-statement/

Quoted from DB

Scunthorpe have a new owner, things looking up for them.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-statement/

I don’t think the chairman understands - that club is ALREADY where it belongs.

That was a quick deal, just like going out and buying a second hand car off a dodgy car dealer.

Quoted from DB

Scunthorpe have a new owner, things looking up for them.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/january/club-statement/

Things are looking up for them. An upgrade to the Hilton....

Great news for them and he seems to be genuine.

Be interesting to see if they fall into the same trap as before and massively overspend. You’ve got to do what you can to get back into the League, but they’ll never be the biggest down there (we often weren’t either).

Think they might still go down this season, but think they might smash the NLN with the right recruitment. Although I hope not!

I wonder how much this guy paid…..

Extremely happy for them and I bet they get more bodies in than we do

His background is in property - essentially it will be a development land deal with a football club thrown in. Looks like others had done the hard yards at Ilkeston before he got involved. At least it keeps the club alive.

My only concern is if OUR transfer targets (if there are any) end up there!

Great news they've been bought out and now we can enjoy their relegation gilt free ;D

Scary that the bottom 6 are all ex league teams .

Just goes to show how easy it is to get into obscurity.

Watching them on BT tonight away at Halifax, just hoping there is no bounce effect.

Quoted from moosey_club

Watching them on BT tonight away at Halifax, just hoping there is no bounce effect.

Same

Where are all the fans lmao

Halifax are making Scunthorpe look like they are top of the league.

Pleased they got sorted. Does anyone know if the deal includes the ground?

Quoted from MarinerDevil

Pleased they got sorted. Does anyone know if the deal includes the ground?

It does yes

Have to say I’m pleased for them, but also mightily surprised. Perhaps it finally dawned on Swann that football is a force greater than his own ego.

The new owner has some work to do, I think that is fair to say.

Whitehouse has had a good game.

Well....Halifax have been awful and clearly didn't get our script.
Massive day for the Scunts.

Sadly

Terrible game of football

Thought Halifax mirrored how we play sometimes asleep for 1st 20 mins, then start to get possession but do nothing when in good crossing positions. That Festus Arthur looked shocking.

Quoted from Hagrid

Terrible game of football

Total garbage but Scunthorpe won’t give a flying feck.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Thought Halifax mirrored how we play sometimes asleep for 1st 20 mins, then start to get possession but do nothing when in good crossing positions. That Festus Arthur looked shocking.

Agree about Arthur, should’ve been replaced at half time he was a liability.

We might as well close this thread now. We’ve got enough to worry about ourselves.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Thought Halifax mirrored how we play sometimes asleep for 1st 20 mins, then start to get possession but do nothing when in good crossing positions. That Festus Arthur looked shocking .

Clearly his mind was on the offer from us that his agent told him about this afternoon. 🤣

So the new owner seems a decent bloke has acquired the club ground and surrounding land and they have their first away win in 13 months. Time to stop taking the urine and focus on ourselves.

Quoted from HerveJosse

So the new owner seems a decent bloke has acquired the club ground and surrounding land and they have their first away win in 13 months. Time to stop taking the urine and focus on ourselves.

Noo.. I'm sure we can stretch the thread to 100 pages, why stop now at 90 odd.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Noo.. I'm sure we can stretch the thread to 100 pages, why stop now at 90 odd.

Agreed. Now they are a stable club again, we can laugh at their impending relegation to NLN.

At a loose end, I watched the first half of the Halifax game.

My god, if ever we needed a reminder as to why we can't even consider treading water again, or God forbid dropping back down to that level, that game should be used as such.

Quoted from HerveJosse

So the new owner seems a decent bloke has acquired the club ground and surrounding land and they have their first away win in 13 months. Time to stop taking the urine and focus on ourselves.

You mean time to start taking the urine again and hoping they get relegated.

Focus on ourselves? I keep forgetting we have these huge problems.

If anyone's still keeping up with the soap opera down the road...

After a decent point against Bromley yesterday, interim manager Michael Nelson found out he's not getting the job via a Radio Humberside reporter during his post match interview.

The new owner was, by all accounts, walking round the game with his new manager (Jimmy Dean of Peterborough Sports). Dean looks a very, ahem, interesting character to say the least.

Something tells me this isn't going to end well for Scunny!

Listened to the new owners interview ( well skipped through it) said a lot about nothing got big plans but would not divulge think they will have a 3 g pitch shortly was proud of that at Ilkeston

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Listened to the new owners interview ( well skipped through it) said a lot about nothing got big plans but would not divulge think they will have a 3 g pitch shortly was proud of that at Ilkeston

I think they need new players before getting a new pitch.

Where can I find the Scunthorpe new owner interview please?

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Listened to the new owners interview ( well skipped through it) said a lot about nothing got big plans but would not divulge think they will have a 3 g pitch shortly was proud of that at Ilkeston

Clearly no ambition of returning to the EFL relatively quickly if that is what he wants to do to the main pitch.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Clearly no ambition of returning to the EFL relatively quickly if that is what he wants to do to the main pitch.

i think its being pretty realistic really. this season has gone. next season will likely be in NLN so season after would be at best back where they started. promotion, as we know is not a given, and the fact that at least one of Wrexham/chesterfield/Notts county wont go up this season, then who knows what's going to happen in the future.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

i think its being pretty realistic really. this season has gone. next season will likely be in NLN so season after would be at best back where they started. promotion, as we know is not a given, and the fact that at least one of Wrexham/chesterfield/Notts county wont go up this season, then who knows what's going to happen in the future.

Whatever the investment is to tear up the pitch and lay artificial plus the £500k I think it cost Sutton to put grass back in after promotion.

Can we get back to normal now Swann has gone and wish our near neighbours every success, in the National League North!

After the announcement of a new manager at our Ferrous Fingered Friends club down the A180, the movie 'Welcome To The Five And Dime,Jimmy Dean' sprang to mind

They are planning to announce seven signings today , one every hour.

Quoted from AdamHaddock

They are planning to announce seven signings today , one every hour.

All from Ilkeston ? ;D ;D ;D

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

All from Ilkeston ? ;D ;D ;D

A promising kid from Forest and Sembie-Ferris from Peterborough Sports so far.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

All from Ilkeston ? ;D ;D ;D

Not all. One of them is rumoured to be Dallas from Solihull.

Too soon?

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Not all. One of them is rumoured to be Dallas from Solihull.

Too soon?

Not too soon, made me laugh out loud on a sh!t morning!

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Not all. One of them is rumoured to be Dallas from Solihull.

Too soon?

I’d quite like that. Just to see the meltdown.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Not all. One of them is rumoured to be Dallas from Solihull.

Too soon?

Ha ha! He won't mind going to Scunny as it's closer to home.

They've signed a doorman now!

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/february/united-add-target-man-gerry-mcdonagh-to-the-squad/

Damien Spencer vibes to this one.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Not all. One of them is rumoured to be Dallas from Solihull.

Too soon?

Excellent bantz- made me smirk in work Teams meeting when I sneaked a look my phone…

Jesus they've signed some right dross. Couple of the young lads might do ok but the rest ?

Final singing isn't over the line, despite the new chairman promising seven today.

Then he puts out a tweet name dropping a player from Southend who he can't sign, then deletes it. But not before the club retweet it.

Absolute car wreck over there. To think, we've got people unhappy that our best window signing is a lad who was the best right back in the league above two years ago!

Quoted from diehardmariner

Final singing isn't over the line, despite the new chairman promising seven today.

Then he puts out a tweet name dropping a player from Southend who he can't sign, then deletes it. But not before the club retweet it.

Absolute car wreck over there. To think, we've got people unhappy that our best window signing is a lad who was the best right back in the league above two years ago!

Something tells me Scunny may have jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire.

Comms are already a train wreck. Humberside/Nelson debacle and now actually not having the signings completed.

If Scunthorpe hotels can't handle the sheer volume of signings they are making today, I understand GTFC have a few unused room bookings available in Laceby.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

If Scunthorpe hotels can't handle the sheer volume of signings they are making today, I understand GTFC have a few unused room bookings available in Laceby.

Their signings all look terrible. That target man is nearly 25 and has got 8 career goals. I know it's not all about goal returns as a striker, particularly if you're a target man but that works out at virtually one goal for every season he's played football.

They'll still go down.

Quoted from mariner91

Their signings all look terrible. That target man is nearly 25 and has got 8 career goals. I know it's not all about goal returns as a striker, particularly if you're a target man but that works out at virtually one goal for every season he's played football.

They'll still go down.

Their young lads were doing ok - they've put a little run of results together. Put an experienced keeper behind them and you never what they might pull off. Disrupt that with a load of Holloway 20/21 type signings and they might go backwards. Naturally, their fans are relieved to still have a club, be interesting how this pans out though. At the end of the day, this is still a property transaction because that is where the value is.

I think a large part of their mini-revival was the siege mentality Michael Nelson had created.

You say Holloway, it's got more of a Bignot feel to it.

Quoted from mariner91

Their signings all look terrible. That target man is nearly 25 and has got 8 career goals. I know it's not all about goal returns as a striker, particularly if you're a target man but that works out at virtually one goal for every season he's played football.

They'll still go down.

4 of them were in this game! I can't be certain, but I'm not sure it's against a watertight defence or goalkeeper.

They were on very sketchy ground as it was only on the 30th that the FA allowed them to sign players again. A lot of the wheeling and dealing must have been done without the knowledge of whether they could sign anyone anytime soon. There could have been 7 happy players whos transfers could have fallen through, BUT sadly for them, they have now had to sign lol

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Their young lads were doing ok - they've put a little run of results together. Put an experienced keeper behind them and you never what they might pull off. Disrupt that with a load of Holloway 20/21 type signings and they might go backwards. Naturally, their fans are relieved to still have a club, be interesting how this pans out though. At the end of the day, this is still a property transaction because that is where the value is.

Job for Macca ?

Just listened to the new managers first interview and he sounds like a very interesting character! Get the feeling he's a bit John Beck meets Steve Evans and it'll be up and at 'em, no messing about and take no prisoners.
Could go either way but my instincts are he'll get a short term bounce. Whether it's enough to save them is the big question

Their chairman has said an experienced goalkeeper is pending.

Must admit, McKeown was the first name that came to mind.

Whoever and whatever happens I still hope they get relegated

Quoted from diehardmariner

Their chairman has said an experienced goalkeeper is pending.

Must admit, McKeown was the first name that came to mind.

Won't be Macca, he's settled going part time with Clee Town which affords him time for pursuits outside of football

It's clear that their new manager knows what's needed to survive in the National League North.

It's all a bit Bignot for my liking . This is going to be the ultimate car crash after the bounce

Quoted from diehardmariner

Their chairman has said an experienced goalkeeper is pending.

Must admit, McKeown was the first name that came to mind.

I had the exact same thought

Quoted from Gaffer58

Whoever and whatever happens I still hope they get relegated

Me too!

First test for them tomorrow night when they play Barnet, who beat Chesterfield 3-0 on Saturday.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Whoever and whatever happens I still hope they get relegated

Same

As much as I hate our Ferrous Fingered Friends down the road, I never wanted them to go out of business. However, I did want them to get relegated from the FL and drop even further. I wanted them to suffer and feel what it was like to fall from grace. Most of all I wanted all their fans who gloated over our demise to feel the same pain, anger and humiliation we felt. Maybe a few years in the lower levels of the football pyramid will make them realise that no teams are immune from the pitfalls that football teams experience when things go wrong, especially when the club's owners and Boards are driven by self-interest and egotism.

At the start of every season you always want the outcome for your rivals to be relegation, nothings changed in that for me

Big crowd in tonight . Losing already . That bubble didn't last long 😂😂😂

Scunny 1-3 Barnet.

Not going well for the new regime.

Quoted from ginnywings

Scunny 1-3 Barnet.

Not going well for the new regime.

Swann in 😂

New owner and Manager look like a car crash for me. Like a few have said jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. They'll never get back to the FL

Quoted from gtfc98

New owner and Manager look like a car crash for me. Like a few have said jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. They'll never get back to the FL

Can we have that in a signed contract please? We’re counting on you…..

Quoted from moosey_club

Swann in 😂

This reminds me of a game against Walsall in the (astonishing) 97/98 season. I think we won easily, maybe 3-0, and they had their first shot after about 80 minutes - fair play to their fans, they went mental and mockingly had a party. However, they had a banner aimed at their chairman that said “Bonser Out!” - the whole of Blundell Park responded “We love you bonser, we do, oh, bonser we love you!”.

Classic old school bantz x.

Lost 3-1 but I guess it’s not a disgrace given the opponents and their recent firm.

They are only five points from safety but the problem is they have played 4 games more than Oldham in 20th. One win for them and the gap to safety increase to at least 7 points.

However they still have 16 games left, that’s enough time to turn it round if the new players can improve matters because with 23 points from 30 games it’s clear the existing squad couldn’t.

Too many changes, too late and not good enough. Sound familiar.

They should stick with their new manager and plan for the National north.

Im relieved there not going bust. But I think there doomed. They need 27 points from 16 games to get to 50 points. 1.7 points per game. Thats a 77 points season form. No way they can do that. NLN beckons Mwahahaha.

The gift that keeps on giving.

Haven't heard from Ironsmiler for a long time.

Quoted from gtfc98

New owner and Manager look like a car crash for me. Like a few have said jumped out of the frying pan and into the fire. They'll never get back to the FL

Been some week for the bald Peter Swann. Fell out with Radio Humberside because he couldn't be bothered to tell the well respected Nelson who was starting to get a tune out of the players that his replacement was at the game with him last Saturday. He then brought him in as manager but kept Nelson on as Head Coach before promising 7 signings on the hour, every hour, upsetting Southend along the way by trying to unsettle their striker and I think he only delivered 6 because he didn't actually have 7 deals agreed. Finally, they lost tonight. From the outside looking in, the red flags are still there.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Been some week for the bald Peter Swann. Fell out with Radio Humberside because he couldn't be bothered to tell the well respected Nelson who was starting to get a tune out of the players that his replacement was at the game with him last Saturday. He then brought him in as manager but kept Nelson on as Head Coach before promising 7 signings on the hour, every hour, upsetting Southend along the way by trying to unsettle their striker and I think he only delivered 6 because he didn't actually have 7 deals agreed. Finally, they lost tonight. From the outside looking in, the red flags are still there.

I've never understood posters using this as some sort of insult or urine take.
I've been bald for years and consider myself a decent person.
One of my oldest friends went bald in his teens and was bullied for it.
A mate's wife was bald through chemotherapy.
It's the same with the press, they'll always come out with the bald and tattooed defendent line without mentioning the nice shoes and smart suit.

Over 5000 at Scunny last night. Decent sized crowd for them.

Glad they seem more safe now regards going bust, we think.
Relegation is almost a certainty now though. Hopefully it won't knock them too much and they can get back up to the national league where they belong... and stay there.

Over 5000 there last night, the stewards must have been busy kidnapping people and forcing them through the gates.Unless they were only charging a quid or something stupid.

Listening to their manager on Humberside after the game all 15 mins of it! He sounds enthusiastic but seems like an amateur to me, I thought I was Listening to a bloke in the pub for most of it!

Looking at the bottom 6 teams fixtures. February sees most of there relagagion rivals playing each other. By the end of Feb they could be really cut adrift if they aren't already.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Over 5000 there last night, the stewards must have been busy kidnapping people and forcing them through the gates.Unless they were only charging a quid or something stupid.

Was it free entry?

Looking at the management appointment and the recruitment it would suggest they’re preparing for a promotion push out of NLN next season and staying up this season will be a bonus.

5000 crowd (virtually doubled overnight) , 6 new signings, new striker scores on debut, Swann gone..... if you are a glass half full type thats not a terrible couple of weeks.
Near enough 2 weeks before they play again I think so plenty of time for getting to know each other and hammering home any new tactics.

Luckily they have played 3-4 games more than most of the teams they are trying to catch so hopefully that will be their bridge too far. .....but I am starting to sweat a little that they may just avoid another drop..

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Was it free entry?

Looking at the management appointment and the recruitment it would suggest they’re preparing for a promotion push out of NLN next season and staying up this season will be a bonus.

STH friend for a fiver. That wouldn't have added that many so still a big increase in full-price payers.

I agree everything points to assembly of NLN promotion-winning coaching team and squad, and if they stay up happy days for them. Back to the FL is wholly different matter. Even if Wrexham and Notts went up teams like Woking and Barnet are looking strong on top of Chesterfield, and with capable management, the south-east clubs have a vast pool of players to assemble a good squad from down there.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I've never understood posters using this as some sort of insult or urine take.
I've been bald for years and consider myself a decent person.
One of my oldest friends went bald in his teens and was bullied for it.
A mate's wife was bald through chemotherapy.
It's the same with the press, they'll always come out with the bald and tattooed defendent line without mentioning the nice shoes and smart suit.

It's an identifier isn't it, more so than an insult? If it is an insult it goes quite literally over my head.

I mean I absolutely detest any form of bullying, but as a man with a hairline similar to Stacy Coldicott, I take absolutely no offence to any reference to baldness.

I am bald. I actually like it and having spent the first 30ish years of my life having hair but never really managing a hairstyle, I actually love the fact I don't have that consideration.

Other feeling the cold quicker, there's literally no downside to it. Maintaining it is a quick run over with the clippers a few times a week and that's it. No shampoo and conditioner, no hair gel, no combing it. Why would anyone want hair in the first place?

Own it, embrace it and enjoy it!

I picked up a stream of the Scunny game but gave up watching after 20 minutes. The standard of the production via the National League version of iFollow was only matched by the football on show.

Scunny were just long and aimless balls up to their new big man, who worked on the scraps he had but was isolated. Barnet coped with him quite easily.

If that's their roll of the dice to stay up, they're copulated.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I've never understood posters using this as some sort of insult or urine take.
I've been bald for years and consider myself a decent person.
One of my oldest friends went bald in his teens and was bullied for it.
A mate's wife was bald through chemotherapy.
It's the same with the press, they'll always come out with the bald and tattooed defendent line without mentioning the nice shoes and smart suit.

It wasn't an insult at all, it was an identifier.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

STH friend for a fiver. That wouldn't have added that many so still a big increase in full-price payers.

I agree everything points to assembly of NLN promotion-winning coaching team and squad, and if they stay up happy days for them. Back to the FL is wholly different matter. Even if Wrexham and Notts went up teams like Woking and Barnet are looking strong on top of Chesterfield, and with capable management, the south-east clubs have a vast pool of players to assemble a good squad from down there.

I’ve always thought as well as having the resource to get out of that league you also need to know how to do it on and off the pitch.

Some of their fans are that giddy they have been putting £10 on them getting promoted at 20'000-1. Thick doesn't cover it

I'm pleased that Scunny have a new owner and are going to survive.

But also pleased to see their charge down the divisions continuing full speed ahead ;D

Quoted from jamesgtfc

It wasn't an insult at all, it was an identifier.

balderdash mate, you picked that excuse up from a previous poster.
Unless there's two Peter Swanns why would you need an 'identifier' using his hair or lack of it?

Sounds like Southend are on the verge of admin if not liquidation. So they might end up going out of the NL which would help the Scunts stat up.

Quoted from RonMariner

Sounds like Southend are on the verge of admin if not liquidation. So they might end up going out of the NL which would help the Scunts stat up.

Southend Chairman will not sell, determined to get his money back from the stadium. HMRC will just wind them up. Their fans have finally started talking about a phoenix club. Looks more like liquidation than Admin.

Amazing the difference. We got relegated together. We got rid of our owner and they didn't. Now look at us. For those asking if 1878 are any good try looking at Southend and Scunny then ask yourself the same question.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

balderdash mate, you picked that excuse up from a previous poster.
Unless there's two Peter Swanns why would you need an 'identifier' using his hair or lack of it?

Stop being so sensitive. The insulting part was "Peter Swann", not "bald".

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Southend Chairman will not sell, determined to get his money back from the stadium. HMRC will just wind them up. Their fans have finally started talking about a phoenix club. Looks more like liquidation than Admin.

Amazing the difference. We got relegated together. We got rid of our owner and they didn't. Now look at us. For those asking if 1878 are any good try looking at Southend and Scunny then ask yourself the same question.

I think that is terrible news for Southend fans and, I agree, there for the grace of God, go the Mariners. When our new owners took over, there was an immediate change of atmosphere and mood and I am certain that helped us to get out of the NL immediately. I don’t wish to see any club go into liquidation. In the lower reaches of the FL life is touch and go. I am very thankful we have a club that is rejuvenated. Before Jason and Andrew we were on a perlious downward trajectory and they came on the scene in the nick of time.
I am pleased that things are now looking a bit better for the Iron.

Always liked Southend. they sold us Stuart Brace.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Always liked Southend. they sold us Stuart Brace.

Didn’t we sell him back to them and Dave Worthington too?

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Southend Chairman will not sell, determined to get his money back from the stadium. HMRC will just wind them up. Their fans have finally started talking about a phoenix club. Looks more like liquidation than Admin.

Amazing the difference. We got relegated together. We got rid of our owner and they didn't. Now look at us. For those asking if 1878 are any good try looking at Southend and Scunny then ask yourself the same question.

I'm sure Herve n pen will point out where you ate wrong....

Interesting to see that the race for automatic promotion from the NL is once again becoming a two horse race.

Must be a worry for whoever finishes second that they are by no means sure of getting up via the playoff, as was the case last season when a certain team beat the odds three times in a fortnight!

Quoted from forza ivano

I'm sure Herve n pen will point out where you ate wrong....

You keep repeating the same point ie they are better then the worst examples you can find . So what.

Quoted from RonMariner

Didn’t we sell him back to them and Dave Worthington too?

We did sell them both to Southend and I watched them both in some highlights shown on the “Big Match Revisited” the other week with Bracey scoring as usual. However, thought we signed him from Peterborough but I could be wrong.

Yes,from the Posh.£4,000.

Quoted from Dodorondon

Yes,from the Posh.£4,000.

On basis it was about 15p to get in then and us now £22 that is the equivalent of over £500 k today

Quoted from HerveJosse

On basis it was about 15p to get in then and us now £22 that is the equivalent of over £500 k today

More than that for adults wasn’t it in 68? Pre- decimalisation then and also before my time by 4 years. I can only remember the Main Stand terrace price in the mid 70s - 80p for adults. By the late of the 70s the Main Stand was 1.20. You could then pay a steward to upgrade to the Main Stand seats.

Gate receipts for the end of season game v Exeter in the championship year were £6000 from 22500 crowd so make that less then 30 p a head . Brace signed a couple of years before that and we had high inflation so I will up it to around 20p equivalent. In those days the gate receipts were published along with the attendance

Quoted from HerveJosse

Gate receipts for the end of season game v Exeter in the championship year were £6000 from 22500 crowd so make that less then 30 p a head . Brace signed a couple of years before that and we had high inflation so I will up it to around 20p equivalent. In those days the gate receipts were published along with the attendance

We won’t have had anywhere near 6k STH either. But in those days kids were half price everywhere so I reckon - you are about right. Standing at Old Trafford was 25p in 68/69.

Inflation in football tickets has been much higher than general inflation mind - if you inflate the £4k by general inflation I make it about £85k. A bargain!

Also transfer fees at the lower end of football have probably dropped in relative terms because of FoC

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

We won’t have had anywhere near 6k STH either. But in those days kids were half price everywhere so I reckon - you are about right. Standing at Old Trafford was 25p in 68/69.

Inflation in football tickets has been much higher than general inflation mind - if you inflate the £4k by general inflation I make it about £85k. A bargain!

Also transfer fees at the lower end of football have probably dropped in relative terms because of FoC

Can we stay on topic please and continue the ridicule of them lot down the road

Quoted from HerveJosse

You keep repeating the same point ie they are better then the worst examples you can find . So what.

There is only one person they needed to be better than ...

And they are

So there.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

There is only one person they needed to be better than ...

And they are

So there.

Is the aspiration to just be better than the previous regime?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Is the aspiration to just be better than the previous regime?

When your previous regime was Fenty, then yes.

I don't understand why people have a problem with this. What should the aspiration be? League 1 in 5 years? New ground and 30,000 attendances? or just not being the plaything of an egomaniac with a chance that we could be associated with a con man / criminal?

If getting a semi regular column in the Guardian is the price we pay for our club to be run on a normal basis then its a small price. People need to catch on. We're a small club with a small revenue, the 6 or 7 thousand we get in is probably about as many as we'll ever get. We're not turning fans away. So we try and maintain a club and not risk it shooting for past glories like Scunny.

The aspiration is to still have a club preferably in the football league. With 1878 we have that. Aspirations met.

In addition to the above. I'd like to know why supporters of 1878 are the ones who are questioned about their aspirations. Perhaps it would be more pertinent to find out the aspirations of the likes and Herve and Pen are? They are the ones who are so eager to knock. I'd like to know why?

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

When your previous regime was Fenty, then yes.

I don't understand why people have a problem with this. What should the aspiration be? League 1 in 5 years? New ground and 30,000 attendances? or just not being the plaything of an egomaniac with a chance that we could be associated with a con man / criminal?

If getting a semi regular column in the Guardian is the price we pay for our club to be run on a normal basis then its a small price. People need to catch on. We're a small club with a small revenue, the 6 or 7 thousand we get in is probably about as many as we'll ever get. We're not turning fans away. So we try and maintain a club and not risk it shooting for past glories like Scunny.

The aspiration is to still have a club preferably in the football league. With 1878 we have that. Aspirations met.

I can't agree with any of that. So because Fenty is gone you would be happy for the club to be steadily meandering along?

Aspirations for me are to improve year on year and occasionally get back to the kind of level in the pyramid we haven't seen since 2003. Your statement that we aren't turning fans away is quite simply false. I know of a few people that choose not to go because the only views available are poor or single seats.

I'm not complaining here, I'm just saying my aspirations go further than simply not being owned by Fenty.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I can't agree with any of that. So because Fenty is gone you would be happy for the club to be steadily meandering along?

Aspirations for me are to improve year on year and occasionally get back to the kind of level in the pyramid we haven't seen since 2003. Your statement that we aren't turning fans away is quite simply false. I know of a few people that choose not to go because the only views available are poor or single seats.

I'm not complaining here, I'm just saying my aspirations go further than simply not being owned by Fenty.

I am happy to be steadily meandering along. I no longer yearn for days in the Championship playing the likes of Birmingham City or Stoke. I'm happy to know that the club I've been watching most of my life is a normal sustainable football club that represents the community that I grew up in. Yes the odd promotion would be OK but not if that then means we try to live beyond our means. You know what I really want? I want to be able to watch Grimsby Town until the day I die and I really don't care what division or league they're in.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

I am happy to be steadily meandering along. I no longer yearn for days in the Championship playing the likes of Birmingham City or Stoke. I'm happy to know that the club I've been watching most of my life is a normal sustainable football club that represents the community that I grew up in. Yes the odd promotion would be OK but not if that then means we try to live beyond our means. You know what I really want? I want to be able to watch Grimsby Town until the day I die and I really don't care what division or league they're in.

I get your point but it’s a bit of a selfish mantra. what about the new fans that are coming through the gates every week? Maybe they want to see us playing big city clubs and experiencing 1000+ away fans week in week out. What about the local pubs, restaurants and hotels that could get extra business from the increased footfall. What about the local business’ that provide their produce to town week in week out. The increase in match day staff meaning more employment. More exposure through media. Increased sponsorship money for the club that could be invested in the club’s infrastructure.

Nah, give me Crawley and barrow (no offence to those two) week in week out 🤷🏻‍♂️

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I can't agree with any of that. So because Fenty is gone you would be happy for the club to be steadily meandering along?

Aspirations for me are to improve year on year and occasionally get back to the kind of level in the pyramid we haven't seen since 2003. Your statement that we aren't turning fans away is quite simply false. I know of a few people that choose not to go because the only views available are poor or single seats.

I'm not complaining here, I'm just saying my aspirations go further than simply not being owned by Fenty.

Yeah, I was going to say regardless of people's thoughts on what he said, the bit about us not turning people away is simply factually wrong. I also know of people who don't go because only poor views are available or can't sit with friends etc as they could in the past.

It's great that we are more popular now that leads to this problem, but it is a problem. It stems from our very low capacity.

Quoted from toontown

Yeah, I was going to say regardless of people's thoughts on what he said, the bit about us not turning people away is simply factually wrong. I also know of people who don't go because only poor views are available or can't sit with friends etc as they could in the past.

It's great that we are more popular now that leads to this problem, but it is a problem. It stems from our very low capacity.

There is a world of difference in turning fans away because there are no seats available and not getting a seat of your choice because of whatever criteria you wish to set yourself. Just saying .

As long as we win a few more than we lose I am happy we play in L1 or L2 .

BUT

It would be nice to get back into the championship as long as we do not struggle.

Quoted from grimsby pete

As long as we win a few more than we lose I am happy we play in L1 or L2 .

BUT

It would be nice to get back into the championship as long as we do not struggle.

We would all love to be back in the championship ( the old first division) but with the restrictions imposed since them days regarding all seater stadiums and no standing the present gate receipts would never support us financially in that division. In the present stadium league 1 is as far as we can go without suffering financial problems with regards to paying inflated wages for championship players.

Quoted from Spurn boy

We would all love to be back in the championship ( the old first division) but with the restrictions imposed since them days regarding all seater stadiums and no standing the present gate receipts would never support us financially in that division. In the present stadium league 1 is as far as we can go without suffering financial problems with regards to paying inflated wages for championship players.

Second division. ;)

Quoted from Spurn boy

We would all love to be back in the championship ( the old first division) but with the restrictions imposed since them days regarding all seater stadiums and no standing the present gate receipts would never support us financially in that division. In the present stadium league 1 is as far as we can go without suffering financial problems with regards to paying inflated wages for championship players.

I think you’ll find we managed with these restrictions last time we were in the Championship/league 1. We were definitely an all seater stadium then,
However I take your point that we would have to increase our finances to really flourish in the Championship nowadays. But clubs like Barnsley, Rotherham are surviving quite well and historically they have had similar gates etc. to ourselves.

Quoted from rancido

There is a world of difference in turning fans away because there are no seats available and not getting a seat of your choice because of whatever criteria you wish to set yourself. Just saying .

I didn't quote the original post but what I was responding to said there would never be more fans wanting to attend than the 7000 home fans we have now. I disagree, we could have had more fans at certain games this season if we had had a bigger capacity that would have allowed fans to choose non restricted view seats or sit with friends. It was this specific idea we have maxed out at 7000 home fans I disagree with.

Don't like the way this thread is going....its been a good page or so since someone said "Scunny are sh1t"....

So I would like to put that straight..

Scunny are sh1t.

They got a goalkeeper and striker in today

Quoted from supertown

They got a goalkeeper and striker in today

Aaron Chapman the goalkeeper. 6ft 8”. Certainly going for height. Had a decent-ish career at L1 / L2 / SPL level.

Danny Elliott the striker, from Boreham Wood. 5 goals in his last 7 National League games (while on loan at Gateshead).

I mean, to placate a poster above, Scunny are shít, but today’s business at least looks a little more well thought out than last week’s random splurge.

Still, lots for them to do. No mistake.

Going on the fact during their last home game the ball spent more time in the air than on the ground a 6ft 8ins goalie should be an advantage for them.

Danny Elliott was a star for Boston last year. Signed for Borehamwood but didn't get a look in. Loaned to Gateshead after half a season but he's come good since he went there.

By the way

Scunny are excrement.

I'm surprised they got Aaron Chapman. He looked a good, safe pair of hands playing against us for Accrington a few years ago

Both look decent signings, far better than their random signings last week.

But, we do need to return to the Scunny are excrement theme.

I thought the young lad Watson in Scunny's goal was exposed badly from what I saw on Friday. They definitely need some experience in ahead of him but I'd have thought the greater need would be to upgrade on the two centre-backs. Both Boyce and the other lad, name escapes me, were awful. No leadership, no warrior mentality, just absolutely folded.

We were in for Elliott last summer weren't we?

Scunny fan here, did a few posts on here about 3 years ago not long after KVV had smashed in the winner at your place.  It was all in good jest, actually came across some decent  Cods on here, some very angry bitter ones but expected at the time. Just wanted to say I understand what you lot felt having all those years down here whilst watching us ride the crest of a wave.

Having said that, I  don't believe you have ever feared you would lose your hometown club completely like we have.  The feel good factor is back in our town, 5,000 home fans last  Friday night and more new signings made since then.  Our club is finally saved from that parasite ( he who must not be named.)  I have looked on in  envy at your play off  promotion last season, but the tide has turned your way and under new owners you seem to have really stabilised.

I can only hope we will end up the same and our derby days will resume once more. Because let's face it, as fierce as the rivalry is,  we need each other.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Scunny fan here, did a few posts on here about 3 years ago not long after KVV had smashed in the winner at your place.  It was all in good jest, actually came across some decent  Cods on here, some very angry bitter ones but expected at the time. Just wanted to say I understand what you lot felt having all those years down here whilst watching us ride the crest of a wave.

Having said that, I  don't believe you have ever feared you would lose your hometown club completely like we have.  The feel good factor is back in our town, 5,000 home fans last  Friday night and more new signings made since then.  Our club is finally saved from that parasite ( he who must not be named.)  I have looked on in  envy at your play off  promotion last season, but the tide has turned your way and under new owners you seem to have really stabilised.

I can only hope we will end up the same and our derby days will resume once more. Because let's face it, as fierce as the rivalry is,  we need each other.

UTI

Glad you survived but still hope you go down, you've got a lot more suffering to go through yet! ;)

Thank you for your kind words there Hagrid. However I honestly believe we will stay up on the final day away at Dorking (what is one of them you ask?) the miracle great escape is on. David Hilton is our saviour and Jimmy Dean is at the wheel.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Thank you for your kind words there Hagrid. However I honestly believe we will stay up on the final day away at Dorking (what is one of them you ask?) the miracle great escape is on. David Hilton is our saviour and Jimmy Dean is at the wheel.

UTI

You'd best hope hes not at the wheels of a motorbike

Quoted from Madeleymariner

You'd best hope hes not at the wheels of a motorbike

Or a Porsche Spyder !

Lets hope you have a big bad John playing for you

Quoted from BIron

Scunny fan here, did a few posts on here about 3 years ago not long after KVV had smashed in the winner at your place.  It was all in good jest, actually came across some decent  Cods on here, some very angry bitter ones but expected at the time. Just wanted to say I understand what you lot felt having all those years down here whilst watching us ride the crest of a wave.

Having said that, I  don't believe you have ever feared you would lose your hometown club completely like we have.  The feel good factor is back in our town, 5,000 home fans last  Friday night and more new signings made since then.  Our club is finally saved from that parasite ( he who must not be named.)  I have looked on in  envy at your play off  promotion last season, but the tide has turned your way and under new owners you seem to have really stabilised.

I can only hope we will end up the same and our derby days will resume once more. Because let's face it, as fierce as the rivalry is,  we need each other.

UTI

Welcome!

We will always be rivals but what you guys have been through made even us cod heads feel genuinely sorry for what he who must not be named has put you through. That’s why, if you look over this thread you will see post after post saying that we hope you survive. Even we don’t want to see you disappear!

I look forward to more spicy derby clashing in the future and I think you will stay up this season. But the NL is really tough to escape from and it may well take you a few years to do it.

Hurry back, we want to have the joy of thrashing you again!😎

Quoted from RonMariner

Welcome!

We will always be rivals but what you guys have been through made even us cod heads feel genuinely sorry for what he who must not be named has put you through. That’s why, if you look over this thread you will see post after post saying that we hope you survive. Even we don’t want to see you disappear!

I look forward to more spicy derby clashing in the future and I think you will stay up this season. But the NL is really tough to escape from and it may well take you a few years to do it.

Hurry back, we want to have the joy of thrashing you again!😎

I disagree totally. They seem to be finding it a doddle escaping

For some obscure reason it slipped under the radar, but our chums up the road slipped 7 points from safety last night.
Oldham won at home but Dorking appear determined to throw a lifeline if the Scunts can put a run together

Quoted from buckstown

For some obscure reason it slipped under the radar, but our chums up the road slipped 7 points from safety last night.
Oldham won at home but Dorking appear determined to throw a lifeline if the Scunts can put a run together

York are sliding fast as well, never made sense them getting rid of Askew.

Scunny need 7 points from their remaining 16 just to draw level with the points Dorking (in that final safety position) have at the minute.

For context they've managed 23 points from their first 30 games.

This doesn't take into account that Dorking have a game in hand and can at any point increase their points total. There's also Gateshead and Torquay to overtake.

We saw two years ago that you can give yourself too much to do in too little time, which is where I think Scunny are now.

Much like how York getting rid of Askey could be to their detriment, I think the same may well be said of Scunny when they demoted Nelson.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Scunny need 7 points from their remaining 16 just to draw level with the points Dorking (in that final safety position) have at the minute.

For context they've managed 23 points from their first 30 games.

This doesn't take into account that Dorking have a game in hand and can at any point increase their points total. There's also Gateshead and Torquay to overtake.

We saw two years ago that you can give yourself too much to do in too little time, which is where I think Scunny are now.

Much like how York getting rid of Askey could be to their detriment, I think the same may well be said of Scunny when they demoted Nelson.

And games come thick and fast in the latter part of the National League season, if you are going well you can rack up points quickly but if you're struggling you can lose touch and never drag it back. I think they have to be within touching distance of safety after the next 6 or so games or time will run out for them. There's always a couple of clubs who get themselves out of trouble (or potential trouble) with a good run and that leaves a bottom 5 or 6 to fight it out.

The problem they have is that the teams they need to overtake to escape the drop zone, Gateshead and Dorking, have games in hand and are averaging a point a game. So Scunthorpe might need more that 46 points to stay up.

So that means another 24 points from their remaining 16 games. So 1.5 points per game. Currently the only teams in the NL averaging 1.5 points per game or better are the top seven.

That’s the reality of the size of the task facing them. They have to perform like playoff contenders for the rest of the season. On the other hand Southend might go bust and make three task a little easier.

Scunny have still got to play both Wrexham and Notts County away theoretically leaving them only 14 games to get the necessary points. Last game of their season is Dorking away.

I'm still not sure about their new manager. He has done a great job with Peterborough Sports but this is at a level way below what he is taking on now. A couple of defeats and the expectation from the Scunny fans will subside.

I don't think they'll stay up,

Their next three games Dagenham H, Wrexham A and Boreham Wood A.

You'd be surprised if they got very much from those three games, they could be 10 points adrift by then. I just don't see how they suddenly transform into a team who win basically every other game until the end of the season.

Unfortunately (or fortunately some might say) I can't see them getting out of it to be honest. I assume they'll be hoping that Boston stay up in the NLN so they can have a nice Derby next season.

I think their 2 signings this week are of decent quality but most of last weeks seemed a bit scattergun.

Quoted from Mariner_09

Their next three games Dagenham H, Wrexham A and Boreham Wood A.

You'd be surprised if they got very much from those three games, they could be 10 points adrift by then. I just don't see how they suddenly transform into a team who win basically every other game until the end of the season.

Well having 7 new players in could be a transformation

Quoted from moosey_club

Well having 7 new players in could be a transformation

They've signed some right guff

Quoted from moosey_club

Well having 7 new players in could be a transformation

Sounds like Runaway to me,just sign anyone and it looks like I know what I’m doing, to quote him ( my phone has nearly melted with players wanting to sign)

Quoted from Spurn boy

Sounds like Runaway to me,just sign anyone and it looks like I know what I’m doing, to quote him ( my phone has nearly melted with player wanting to sign)

True enough...but what they had in the building was clearly only going to go down, to give the new guys credit they have addressed the issues preventing them signing anyone and have signed plenty of new players to try and improve or at least bring in enough players who aren't just used to being beaten every week.
They had to act and have. Hopefully the losing mentality will soon rub off on the new players and before you know it they are still in the cr@p but paying 7 more salaries to boot.
DTI

Quoted from Spurn boy

Sounds like Runaway to me,just sign anyone and it looks like I know what I’m doing, to quote him ( my phone has nearly melted with players wanting to sign)

I think it’s the polar opposite. Runaway had decent enough players at his disposal. Scunny had a load of sh1te (going by the table) and got, they are hoping, better in

Quoted from diehardmariner

Scunny need 7 points from their remaining 16 just to draw level with the points Dorking (in that final safety position) have at the minute.

For context they've managed 23 points from their first 30 games.

This doesn't take into account that Dorking have a game in hand and can at any point increase their points total. There's also Gateshead and Torquay to overtake.

We saw two years ago that you can give yourself too much to do in too little time, which is where I think Scunny are now.

Much like how York getting rid of Askey could be to their detriment, I think the same may well be said of Scunny when they demoted Nelson.

It’s a miracle task for us but one that we are up for. I disagree on Nelson, he is a solid coach but he was doing an interim manager role and doing the best he could under the circumstances. He is still Head Coach at the club too. We have taken a gamble with Jimmy Dean but look where we are in the league we have had to take one.Elliott is a real coup signing for us as well. UTI

Quoted from RonMariner

The problem they have is that the teams they need to overtake to escape the drop zone, Gateshead and Dorking, have games in hand and are averaging a point a game. So Scunthorpe might need more that 46 points to stay up.

So that means another 24 points from their remaining 16 games. So 1.5 points per game. Currently the only teams in the NL averaging 1.5 points per game or better are the top seven.

That’s the reality of the size of the task facing them. They have to perform like playoff contenders for the rest of the season. On the other hand Southend might go bust and make three task a little easier.

Thank you for your kind words to us on the previous post, was nice to see so many of you not wanting us to go bust but i am pleased normalities have resumed and back to local rivalry now. You’re right it it is a tall order but it is still possible. Personally don’t want to stay up on the basis of Southend going bust, we know only too well how it feels to nearly have your club taken away from you. Hope they sort themselves out, predicting we will stay up on the final day…. UTI

Quoted from Mariner_09

Their next three games Dagenham H, Wrexham A and Boreham Wood A.

You'd be surprised if they got very much from those three games, they could be 10 points adrift by then. I just don't see how they suddenly transform into a team who win basically every other game until the end of the season.

We are viewing the Dagenham game as a must win, still have us staying up even with two defeats against Wrexham and Boreham Wood. March-May we play a lot of teams around us and in the lower half of the league.

A lot questioning the manager and the new signings on here, not sure what you expected us to bring in? We are where we are. We have a manager with a wealth of non league experience. Can he make the step up? I hope so but we can’t judge him yet.

We are encouraged by the signings and the statement of intent but Ultimately we are relieved we still have a hometown club to support. UTI

Quoted from BIron

Thank you for your kind words to us on the previous post, was nice to see so many of you not wanting us to go bust but i am pleased normalities have resumed and back to local rivalry now. You’re right it it is a tall order but it is still possible. Personally don’t want to stay up on the basis of Southend going bust, we know only too well how it feels to nearly have your club taken away from you. Hope they sort themselves out, predicting we will stay up on the final day…. UTI

The only club I would ever want to see go bust are The illegitimate Franchise Scum. At the end of the day we're all football fans, it's just that most of your fans were born 30 miles down the road from us! :)

Quoted from BIron

Thank you for your kind words to us on the previous post, was nice to see so many of you not wanting us to go bust but i am pleased normalities have resumed and back to local rivalry now. You’re right it it is a tall order but it is still possible. Personally don’t want to stay up on the basis of Southend going bust, we know only too well how it feels to nearly have your club taken away from you. Hope they sort themselves out, predicting we will stay up on the final day…. UTI

I hope you do stay up. Your fans have suffered enough from the mismanagement of the previous owner. We all know how that feels having been dumped into the NL twice. Enough is enough, even for our local rivals.

Cameron Wilson scored another very tidy goal yesterday - 20 years old. Kind of player we need to a risk with perhaps - pay some kind of fee with the % sell on and then hope to make a decent margin. We need a McAtee every season really.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Cameron Wilson scored another very tidy goal yesterday - 20 years old. Kind of player we need to a risk with perhaps - pay some kind of fee with the % sell on and then hope to make a decent margin. We need a McAtee every season really.

Great result for the Iron yesterday, over 3,700 home fans there as well. I said we was viewing it as a must win and we managed to do it. Look like a complete different side now. Cameron Wilson is a promising prospect but still raw. He runs himself into the ground and took his goal very well. He usually gets brought off after the hour mark as he tires.

Would like to think you Cods cannot poach our best players despite you in the football league. McAtee was exceptional circumstances, fallen out with Cox and downed tools playing for the team when he did. It was Hurst that brought him to Scunny so wasn’t surprised to see him go down the road to you lot.

The great escape could may well be on.

UTI

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Gets a bit boring though, let’s worry about ourselves.

With you there , keep our own house in first given our record "Don"t throw stones" come to mind.

Get back to us if Cameron Wilson is seen as lazy.

We will take him off your hands in a jiffy. 😉😃

The games are running out, and it’s Wrexham up next, but I suspect Scunny might pick up enough points to survive now with their new signings, but this is as much down to how bad the likes of Maidstone and Dorking must be. I’m surprised to see Torquay doing so badly though.

Quoted from BIron

Would like to think you Cods cannot poach our best players despite you in the football league

Why would you think a bigger club in a higher division can’t poach your best players?

Quoted from lukeo

3-0 up at home... Lost 4-3. Can we all just take a moment and... Laugh.

And you know what I do miss the Scunny / Town fixture, back in the day when the new season fixtures came out it was the first one i would look for.
Oh well what would we talk about/ Slag off .
Gave the coppers overtime too!!
UTM

Why would Grimsby want any of Scunnys players ? They are at Scunny for a reason. It's going to be along way back for them even with the take over etc . I'm guessing they'll be down there for years to come

Quoted from BIron

Great result for the Iron yesterday, over 3,700 home fans there as well. I said we was viewing it as a must win and we managed to do it. Look like a complete different side now. Cameron Wilson is a promising prospect but still raw. He runs himself into the ground and took his goal very well. He usually gets brought off after the hour mark as he tires.

Would like to think you Cods cannot poach our best players despite you in the football league. McAtee was exceptional circumstances, fallen out with Cox and downed tools playing for the team when he did. It was Hurst that brought him to Scunny so wasn’t surprised to see him go down the road to you lot.

The great escape could may well be on.

UTI

It seems to me that Dorking and Maidstone are sinking like stones and I would put money on them going down. So on current form two of the four relegation spaces look to me nailed on.

So I would think that it’s currently heading towards a three way fight between you Gateshead and Torquay to escape the drop. But of course you never know who might be drawn into the dog fight. All to play for though.

I listened to Jimmy Dean on the radio last night after their game. Not sure what he’s like as a manager but he sounds like the kind of bloke that you’d have a pint with and that makes him relatable so he might actively keep them up.

Personally I’m not changing my view, like every season I hope they get relegated, don’t you want that for your rivals?

If I'm correct it could quite possibly be that the 4 promoted teams end up all going down. Maidstone, Dorking, Gateshead and since York sacked there manager they've struggled.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I listened to Jimmy Dean on the radio last night after their game. Not sure what he’s like as a manager but he sounds like the kind of bloke that you’d have a pint with and that makes him relatable so he might actively keep them up.

Personally I’m not changing my view, like every season I hope they get relegated, don’t you want that for your rivals?

That's the same impression i got when listening to his first Scunthorpe interview, he sounded like a bloke from the pub

Quoted from Davec

That's the same impression i got when listening to his first Scunthorpe interview, he sounded like a bloke from the pub

Quite appropriate then considering he is managing a pub team.

I work with a fanatical Torquay fan and she thinks they're doomed. Says that they are awful and not likely to improve.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I work with a fanatical Torquay fan and she thinks they're doomed. Says that they are awful and not likely to improve.

Strange, they've only lost 1 of their last 5 league games, winning 3!

I think Scunny will still find it hard to stay up. It's not the gaining of the points but overhauling at least 3 teams ahead of them. New manager bounce will end after their next game, Wrexham away. The manager is totally untried at this level or full time. They've brought a raft of players in but players available at this time of year are usually make weights at their present clubs, Danny Elliott being a classic example.

Ironically they could be saved by a club being wound up, namely Southend. Love to see how their fans would react if that was the case. After wanting the whole football world to get behind them, could they really celebrate at the demise of another club?

Quoted from Les Brechin

Strange, they've only lost 1 of their last 5 league games, winning 3!

I'm only reporting what I've been told....

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I listened to Jimmy Dean on the radio last night after their game. Not sure what he’s like as a manager but he sounds like the kind of bloke that you’d have a pint with and that makes him relatable so he might actively keep them up.

Personally I’m not changing my view, like every season I hope they get relegated, don’t you want that for your rivals?

Each to their own but I think he sounds an absolute male private.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

I think Scunny will still find it hard to stay up. It's not the gaining of the points but overhauling at least 3 teams ahead of them. New manager bounce will end after their next game, Wrexham away. The manager is totally untried at this level or full time. They've brought a raft of players in but players available at this time of year are usually make weights at their present clubs, Danny Elliott being a classic example.

Ironically they could be saved by a club being wound up, namely Southend. Love to see how their fans would react if that was the case. After wanting the whole football world to get behind them, could they really celebrate at the demise of another club?

If Scunny beat Wrexham meaning come the season end they stay up and Wrexham fail again to get promoted that would do me especially for that absolute w@nker of a manager.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

I think Scunny will still find it hard to stay up. It's not the gaining of the points but overhauling at least 3 teams ahead of them. New manager bounce will end after their next game, Wrexham away. The manager is totally untried at this level or full time. They've brought a raft of players in but players available at this time of year are usually make weights at their present clubs, Danny Elliott being a classic example.

Ironically they could be saved by a club being wound up, namely Southend. Love to see how their fans would react if that was the case. After wanting the whole football world to get behind them, could they really celebrate at the demise of another club?

Even if we lose back to back games coming up ( away at Wrexham and Boreham Wood) I still believe we can get enough points out of the games we have left against the teams we are up against. Very early days with our Manager Jimmy Dean but he comes across a likeable bloke and passionate. Whether he can get the best out of these new players time will tell but he has got off to a promising start.

I don't want to see Southend get wound up, i genuinely don't know any Scunny fans that do either. But if we do stay up because of that what do you want us to do? not be happy we have stayed up? let's get real.

UTI

Quoted from arryarryarry

If Scunny beat Wrexham meaning come the season end they stay up and Wrexham fail again to get promoted that would do me especially for that absolute w@nker of a manager.

Yes, I'd also like Scunny to win just one more game - that one...

I’m not particularly bothered whether the Scunts manage to survive or get relegated, I just want their fan’s to realise how hard it is to get out of the National league and appreciate the magnificent efforts that we went through last season to get promoted back to the Football league. It’s a very tough league to get out of. UTM

Quoted from Spurn boy

I’m not particularly bothered whether the Scunts manage to survive or get relegated, I just want their fan’s to realise how hard it is to get out of the National league and appreciate the magnificent efforts that we went through last season to get promoted back to the Football league. It’s a very tough league to get out of. UTM

I think you’ll find they’ll find getting out of the National League an absolute piece of píss if I’m honest…

Quoted from Spurn boy

I’m not particularly bothered whether the Scunts manage to survive or get relegated, I just want their fan’s to realise how hard it is to get out of the National league and appreciate the magnificent efforts that we went through last season to get promoted back to the Football league. It’s a very tough league to get out of. UTM

I think you will find their fans already know how hard it is to get out.

Even under Woods we never fell as far as they are now.

Big games at the bottom of the national league tomorrow. They couod find there self's 6 points off safety again

I see Scunny are at Wrexham tonight, good luck with that one.

1-0 down, Mullen with a penalty, I wonder which Wrexham forward with a surname beginning with M dived to win the penalty

Refs are really trying everything this season to get Wrexham into the football league. But the way Notts County is playin I actually see no way they get promoted directly. This Langstaff fella is atleast Championship level. Scoring at will

But besides the pen, really like Scunnys effort so far. Doing a good job

Quoted from Gaffer58

1-0 down, Mullen with a penalty, I wonder which Wrexham forward with a surname beginning with M dived to win the penalty

Interesting that Humberside have viewed the replay and describe it as ‘Mullen conning the referee’

My comment was purely tongue in cheek as I had no knowledge of the actual precedings, seems I was fairly accurate.

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cheating illegitimate

Clear pen for Wrexham, clear dive and a yellow for everyone else

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cheating illegitimate

Nah! I thought it was an altruistic action by Mullin as he could see that the keeper was going to pounce on the ball and drag it outside the box for a deliberate handball and DOGSO so being a benevolent soul he made the ref blow his whistle earlier.

According to Humberside, Scunts played pretty well tonight and only undone by Mullins theatrics

Surely refs talk to each other even in the national league and warn each other about Mullen.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Surely refs talk to each other even in the national league and let eachother know of the brown bag sat in their dressing room full of dollars.

Amended for you

Am I reading the latest scunny idea right he is offering 50% of their fan base free admission info galndford park for life in exchange of £1900 to raise 3.5 million . Where is the money coming from when he’s spent it starting to look out of the frying pan into the chip fryer springs to mind

Looking at their run in the have 4/5 winnable games in April and I think they're gonna have to win them all to stay in with a chance of staying up . Trouble is they need at least 3 wins between now and April . It would be some achievement if they did it and their manager would certainly do his career path no halm at all

Wrexham are being gifted penalties. Given their profile, the fact they’ve got the 3 up 3 down rule to be analysed and they’ve changed the broadcast rules, what ref is going to decide against them?

It stinks.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Am I reading the latest scunny idea right he is offering 50% of their fan base free admission info galndford park for life in exchange of £1900 to raise 3.5 million . Where is the money coming from when he’s spent it starting to look out of the frying pan into the chip fryer springs to mind

No you’re not, it’s a ‘share in the ground’ they still have to buy tickets

Watched the game online last night and we gave Wrexham a real go, no way did we deserve to lose. Mullins is a diver,  never a penalty for the first one. We then grew into the game,  hit the post just before they scored their second penalty as well.  Second penalty was a bit of clumsiness from our reserve keeper but Mullins still made a meal out of that.

I can see why you lot don't like them so much as well now and must have felt great upsetting the applecart last season in the play offs at their place.

Dorking and Gateshead winning last night was a blow for us but i still stand by what i said previously,  even if we lose again Saturday we can still stay up providing we win a lot of the games against teams around us.  It is a tall order but i still believe.

UTI

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Am I reading the latest scunny idea right he is offering 50% of their fan base free admission info galndford park for life in exchange of £1900 to raise 3.5 million . Where is the money coming from when he’s spent it starting to look out of the frying pan into the chip fryer springs to mind

No, that is incorrect. It is £1,899 per share, you get a free season ticket for next season and some other incentives included in there but not free admission for life. Personally, I think it is a great initiative from our Chairman but it is a lot of money to ask as well from people. Having said that, it would be great to have a fan owned Glanford Park and keep it away from any potential vultures in the future after what he who must not be named nearly did.

Not sure what you mean about where the money is coming from when he has spent it, it is money to own the ground not for the chairman to spend? please don't compare Hilton to that parasite. He is doing all the right things so far and has saved us from extinction.

UTI

In two minds about this. It’s the kind of thing that sounds great. Put the phrase “fan-owned” in front of anything to do with a football club and it’ll get people excited (“fan-owned” stadium, “fan-owned” training ground, “fan-owned” striker – yes please!), probably because it’d help bridge that disconnect lots of people feel between themselves and the modern-day football club.

But what do Scunny fans actually get for their near-£2,000? Reading the press release on their website, it appears to essentially be a very expensive season ticket. It irks me when peoples’ decades-long fandom is exploited for an extra cash injection, particularly when it would seem they get so little in return. There is also a whiff of Hilton, their new owner, taking advantage of the discord sowed by Swann – after separating the club and the stadium, a move which made selling SUFC extra difficult and very nearly cost the club its existence, of course fans are going to be anxious to “secure” the stadium’s future. But shouldn’t it be safe and secure right now, in the hands of Hilton?

There’s just something a little “off” about a brand-new owner seeking a £3.5 million cash injection so soon.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

In two minds about this. It’s the kind of thing that sounds great. Put the phrase “fan-owned” in front of anything to do with a football club and it’ll get people excited (“fan-owned” stadium, “fan-owned” training ground, “fan-owned” striker – yes please!), probably because it’d help bridge that disconnect lots of people feel between themselves and the modern-day football club.

But what do Scunny fans actually get for their near-£2,000? Reading the press release on their website, it appears to essentially be a very expensive season ticket. It irks me when peoples’ decades-long fandom is exploited for an extra cash injection, particularly when it would seem they get so little in return. There is also a whiff of Hilton, their new owner, taking advantage of the discord sowed by Swann – after separating the club and the stadium, a move which made selling SUFC extra difficult and very nearly cost the club its existence, of course fans are going to be anxious to “secure” the stadium’s future. But shouldn’t it be safe and secure right now, in the hands of Hilton?

There’s just something a little “off” about a brand-new owner seeking a £3.5 million cash injection so soon.

Great username.

Quoted from Poojah

Great username.

I reckon we're roughly the same age, but all the same, if you recognised that as an obscure reference to the TV show Scrubs I'd be amazed and bow down to your all-knowingness!

It doesn't rain it pours....I just heard on the news that British Steel have announced 0lans to close the coking plant down at Scunny...possible 200+ jobs in the balance.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I reckon we're roughly the same age, but all the same, if you recognised that as an obscure reference to the TV show Scrubs I'd be amazed and bow down to your all-knowingness!

Knowing our dear friend Poojah, I’d suspect he picked up on the reference…

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I can see why you lot don't like them so much as well now and must have felt great upsetting the applecart last season in the play offs at their place.

Thing is, I don't think we do dislike them really.  Their fans were very magnanimous in defeat last season and as a fanbase made significant contributions towards the fund that allowed a lot of less fortunate GTFC fans to go to the final.  That's a remarkable gesture and truth be told I probably wouldn't be so inclined to do so.

They've been through the ringer for a long time, something both you and I can have a degree of understanding towards.  I don't wish anything but success to their real fans.

But what absolutely boils my urine more than anything, even Mullins' diving, is the ten-minute fans who only became aware of Wrexham because of their owners.

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Haven't got my head round the refs inability to not realise the dives from Mullins yet. You only need a passing interest in the game to know he goes down far too easy, that surely must play in the mind of the officials when he tumbles to the ground. They wouldn't be human if it didn't affect their thoughts in some way.

Don't know about any conspiracy either, surely it's in the interest of the National League to keep them down there rather than help them get promoted.

Quoted from BIron

No, that is incorrect. It is £1,899 per share, you get a free season ticket for next season and some other incentives included in there but not free admission for life. Personally, I think it is a great initiative from our Chairman but it is a lot of money to ask as well from people. Having said that, it would be great to have a fan owned Glanford Park and keep it away from any potential vultures in the future after what he who must not be named nearly did.

Not sure what you mean about where the money is coming from when he has spent it, it is money to own the ground not for the chairman to spend? please don't compare Hilton to that parasite. He is doing all the right things so far and has saved us from extinction.

UTI

Thanks for putting me right I must say that makes more sense but where does the money go to ?

I don't think people dislike Wrexham fans. But I am sick of the narrative that they're underdogs when they're just throwing obscene amounts of money at it. And Mullin is a cheat. A great goalscorer. But a cheating big-nosed twit. It's not even occasional either, he dives every other week and put the ball in with his hand against us.

Scunny manager told players to not bother turning up Monday morning if they're not up for it . 😂. He's doomed and so are they

Now 7 points from safety, and huge game on Tuesday - the bottom 2 meet at maidstone

Quoted from It Bites

Scunny manager told players to not bother turning up Monday morning if they're not up for it . 😂. He's doomed and so are they

How many times did he call the interviewer "mate" too?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

How many times did he call the interviewer "mate" too?

It's embarrassing.

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Now 7 points from safety, and huge game on Tuesday - the bottom 2 meet at maidstone

Surely they’ll win that one though? I think they will (having not seen them play all season….).

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How many times did he call the interviewer "mate" too?

Yep, that’s a bad sign. Sounds like a bit of a dingbat.

Reminds me of Dell Boy lol ;D

Quoted from Numanoid

Reminds me of Dell Boy lol ;D

Yep - managing Hope and Anchor FC on Hackney Marshes…

Scunny have won 6 games this season. They won 4 in the whole of last season.

That is 10 wins from 79 games.

Can't see them surviving myself, especially as 4 teams are relegated from the National League.

Quoted from It Bites

Scunny manager told players to not bother turning up Monday morning if they're not up for it . 😂. He's doomed and so are they

Taking that out of the dressing room into the media pretty much gave away the level of manager they’ve recruited here. I get it and it probably needed saying but not in public.

Quoted from ginnywings

Scunny have won 6 games this season. They won 4 in the whole of last season.

That is 10 wins from 79 games.

Can't see them surviving myself, especially as 4 teams are relegated from the National League.

To be fair...a 50% increase in wins is pretty impressive 😂

The blokes a drug dealing, Sunday league manager. If they have any chance of staying up it’ll be nothing to do with him and more to do with professional players digging themselves out the excrement…

Quoted from aldi_01

The blokes a drug dealing, Sunday league manager. If they have any chance of staying up it’ll be nothing to do with him and more to do with professional players digging themselves out the excrement…

Add the word “allegedly “ to that, Aldi!!!

Quoted from arryarryarry

I think you will find their fans already know how hard it is to get out.

Even under Woods we never fell as far as they are now.

Was never Woodsy who is a God to most lads over 40 or so. Damage was done under Newell. Look forwards now.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Add the word “allegedly “ to that, Aldi!!!

Allegedly professional.

Under Woods we scored 7 and 6 in sucessive games.

Dont recall any other manager doing that

I thought they had an outside chance with Michael Nelson as manager but with this bloke a dead certainty for the NLN. According to their website which lists all their manager, they still it is Neil Cox!!!!!

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/club/history/managers/

Let them stew in the NLN for a few seasons. A bit of humble pie for some of their fans wouldn't go amiss especially after some of the flak they gave us after our demise. What goes around, comes around.

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Under Woods we scored 7 and 6 in sucessive games.

Dont recall any other manager doing that

Under Woods we went God knows how many games without a win and went down with a whimper, add to that some defeats that were ultimately embarrassing.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Under Woods we scored 7 and 6 in sucessive games.

Dont recall any other manager doing that

Mansfield and Hayes & Yeading? Did Hurst not manage that against Gateshead and Alfreton August Bank Holiday weekend? Might have been 6 then 7 but surely that counts. The home game was probably one of the only ones I missed that season ofc..

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Under Woods we went God knows how many games without a win and went down with a whimper, add to that some defeats that were ultimately embarrassing.

My fading memory seems to think it was 25 games without a win….

Quoted from Heisenberg

My fading memory seems to think it was 25 games without a win….

The kind of form Scunny can only dream of.

How long will it be before Ilkeston (Owner last Club) and Peterborough Sports (Managers old club) are above Scunthorpe in the pyramid.

They have a very winnable game on Tuesday and could find themselves only 4 points adrift of Dorking in 20th.

However, if they fail to beat Maidstone on Tuesday you would have to say the fat lady will be going through her warming up exercises, because they wont have a more winnable game all season.

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They have a very winnable game on Tuesday and could find themselves only 4 points adrift of Dorking in 20th.

However, if they fail to beat Maidstone on Tuesday you would have to say the fat lady will be going through her warming up exercises, because they wont have a more winnable game all season.

Definitely a must win game tonight, never mind a 6 pointer it is a 9 pointer. Failure to win and although not mathematically, but we might as well be relegated barring a miracle. We are running out of games, we have a favourable run in on paper but teams are fighting for their lives like us too. I always said on here i had us down to lose against Wrexham and Boreham Wood, but we have to win tonight.

UTI

Hope Scunny win this one to keep their season alive. Very high pressure and I will be supporting them for this one utm

Cant see it ending well for them with this manager and chairman already getting in to arguments with fans ,and then letting a manager go without him knowing -under Swann they were dead ,now they are just about on life support.

I think there’s a bit of rivalry blindness/relegation hope going on with some of our fans re Scunny – and tonight’s “six pointer”, whilst obviously an important match, is not necessarily make-or-break for their season (though it does make for a good narrative around the game).

I actually think Scunny have a good chance of staying up. Whilst, after tonight, they have a few tricky fixtures, their final run-in is an absolute dream. After playing Notts County (surely a loss?), six of their final seven matches are against Oldham, Aldershot, York, Gateshead, Dorking and Torquay, clubs which are 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and 22nd respectively. You could not ask for a better run-in than playing six of the eight teams immediately above you in a relegation scrap.

I’d wager that, so long as they’re not cut too far adrift by then (what’s a psychological bridge too far – more than 7/8 points?) they genuinely have a chance of avoiding regional football. Of course, they might be 12+ points adrift by then and already be looking forward to next season’s Jimmy Dean Derby against Peterborough Sports.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I think there’s a bit of rivalry blindness/relegation hope going on with some of our fans re Scunny – and tonight’s “six pointer”, whilst obviously an important match, is not necessarily make-or-break for their season (though it does make for a good narrative around the game).

I actually think Scunny have a good chance of staying up. Whilst, after tonight, they have a few tricky fixtures, their final run-in is an absolute dream. After playing Notts County (surely a loss?), six of their final seven matches are against Oldham, Aldershot, York, Gateshead, Dorking and Torquay, clubs which are 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and 22nd respectively. You could not ask for a better run-in than playing six of the eight teams immediately above you in a relegation scrap.

I’d wager that, so long as they’re not cut too far adrift by then (what’s a psychological bridge too far – more than 7/8 points?) they genuinely have a chance of avoiding regional football. Of course, they might be 12+ points adrift by then and already be looking forward to next season’s Jimmy Dean Derby against Peterborough Sports.

I am glad they have been saved from oblivion, but couldn't give a rat's bottom if they stay up or not. Although I'd rather see Wrexham get knocked out of the play offs before the final than i would Scunny go down.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I think there’s a bit of rivalry blindness/relegation hope going on with some of our fans re Scunny – and tonight’s “six pointer”, whilst obviously an important match, is not necessarily make-or-break for their season (though it does make for a good narrative around the game).

I actually think Scunny have a good chance of staying up. Whilst, after tonight, they have a few tricky fixtures, their final run-in is an absolute dream. After playing Notts County (surely a loss?), six of their final seven matches are against Oldham, Aldershot, York, Gateshead, Dorking and Torquay, clubs which are 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and 22nd respectively. You could not ask for a better run-in than playing six of the eight teams immediately above you in a relegation scrap.

I’d wager that, so long as they’re not cut too far adrift by then (what’s a psychological bridge too far – more than 7/8 points?) they genuinely have a chance of avoiding regional football. Of course, they might be 12+ points adrift by then and already be looking forward to next season’s Jimmy Dean Derby against Peterborough Sports.

And I would imagine all those teams mentioned, near the bottom, are pleased they have a game against our Ferrous Fingered Friends down the road.

Quoted from Les Brechin

She's warming up!

She looks in a good voice to me, ready for her final rendition to the Iron. May they survive as a club, in the NLN.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I think there’s a bit of rivalry blindness/relegation hope going on with some of our fans re Scunny – and tonight’s “six pointer”, whilst obviously an important match, is not necessarily make-or-break for their season (though it does make for a good narrative around the game).

I actually think Scunny have a good chance of staying up. Whilst, after tonight, they have a few tricky fixtures, their final run-in is an absolute dream. After playing Notts County (surely a loss?), six of their final seven matches are against Oldham, Aldershot, York, Gateshead, Dorking and Torquay, clubs which are 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and 22nd respectively. You could not ask for a better run-in than playing six of the eight teams immediately above you in a relegation scrap.

I’d wager that, so long as they’re not cut too far adrift by then (what’s a psychological bridge too far – more than 7/8 points?) they genuinely have a chance of avoiding regional football. Of course, they might be 12+ points adrift by then and already be looking forward to next season’s Jimmy Dean Derby against Peterborough Sports.

Although I accept it’s in their own hands by playing fellow relegation contenders it also works massively against them should they lose one

I see Southend have paid their HMRC debt

Quoted from supertown

Although I accept it’s in their own hands by playing fellow relegation contenders it also works massively against them should they lose one

And those relegation dog fights can be very tough. What you actually want are games against mid table teams with nothing to play for. Those are the clubs that start putting out youth players for experience.

Having half a dozen relegation battles in the run in is not the dream fixture list it may appear on the surface.

1-0 at Maidstone. Not looking good for them.

Ended 1.1. 6 points from safety with those 2 teams 6 points ahead having 2 games in hand

Quoted from BIron

Definitely a must win game tonight, never mind a 6 pointer it is a 9 pointer. Failure to win and although not mathematically, but we might as well be relegated barring a miracle. We are running out of games, we have a favourable run in on paper but teams are fighting for their lives like us too. I always said on here i had us down to lose against Wrexham and Boreham Wood, but we have to win tonight.

UTI

Your not going to finish above Gateshead . The bottom 4 look set now . Enjoy local football

Quoted from forza ivano

Ended 1.1. 6 points from safety with those 2 teams 6 points ahead having 2 games in hand

Effectively 7 points with the goal difference.....shame. 😂

A bad result for them. And an indication that having to play relegation rivals in the run in could be as much a curse as a blessing.

As we know from when we went down to non league, draws just don't cut it. We drew a shedload of games and we went down.

You need wins and Scunny have only won 10 games from their last 80 played.

Quoted from It Bites

Your not going to finish above Gateshead . The bottom 4 look set now . Enjoy local football

The cruel irony is that barely even going to be local; the National League North currently containing such northern outposts as King’s Lynn, Gloucester, Brackley, Banbury, Hereford, Kettering and Peterborough (Sports). With the other three likely to go down situated south of London and north west Fylde likely going up from the NLN, it’s only going to get worse next season.

Perhaps the one positive you’d hope to take from relegation into regional football, and it’s a complete misnomer.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I actually think Scunny have a good chance of staying up. Whilst, after tonight, they have a few tricky fixtures, their final run-in is an absolute dream. After playing Notts County (surely a loss?), six of their final seven matches are against Oldham, Aldershot, York, Gateshead, Dorking and Torquay, clubs which are 15th, 16th, 18th, 19th, 20th, and 22nd respectively. You could not ask for a better run-in than playing six of the eight teams immediately above you in a relegation scrap.

Dorking, for example, are not going to lie down for Scunny. They've just beaten Torquay in a right old scrap at the weekend. They'll see Scunny as a real opportunity for 3 points.

Scunny's next 3 games are Eastleigh, Solihull and Altrincham. Difficult to see them getting much out of those games (a couple of draws?) and that could leave them 9-12 points adrift (?)

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I am glad they have been saved from oblivion, but couldn't give a rat's bottom if they stay up or not. Although I'd rather see Wrexham get knocked out of the play offs before the final than i would Scunny go down.

Notts County Up,
Wrexham get beaten in the finals by Southend, currently trailing 30 points behind.
Long flight back to Hollywood in your private jet when you're stuffed 8)

Yes I have lost all hope now after that result last night. Barring a miracle we are down again. Never thought i would ever see my hometown club drop to those depths. I can read the room and fully aware this is not the place to be looking for sympathy and i don't intend too. Was just contributing to this thread from a Scunny perspective and appreciated some of the comments from some fans on here.

UTI

I watched the game last night.
I never want Lincolnshire clubs to be relegated.
It was good when we had 4 Lincolnshire clubs in the Football League.
On last nights showing, I can't see them getting out of NLN for sometime.
Two teams wouldn't have looked out of place on Bradley pitches.

Quoted from BIron

Yes I have lost all hope now after that result last night. Barring a miracle we are down again. Never thought i would ever see my hometown club drop to those depths. I can read the room and fully aware this is not the place to be looking for sympathy and i don't intend too. Was just contributing to this thread from a Scunny perspective and appreciated some of the comments from some fans on here.

UTI

As a fan, you just have to suck it up I'm afraid.

You have a manager with experience of the level, so hopefully, he can get you going again, not that I'm bothered you understand. ;)

It was PH that turned us around, twice. Took him a while first time, but he had us in and around the play offs most seasons.

I do sort of sympathise tbf it could have been us in exactly the same situation if things had gone the wrong way,the Alex May way. Saying that , i enjoyed Peter Swann much like Fenty for the comedy value ; the stumbling block is when one of them are in charge of your own club and then its wearing and becomes non funny .

Very much on the fence with this new manager /chairman and if they are what they say they are .
The stadium fan ownership idea rings alarm bells to me but I guess time will tell .

Quoted from BIron

Yes I have lost all hope now after that result last night. Barring a miracle we are down again. Never thought i would ever see my hometown club drop to those depths. I can read the room and fully aware this is not the place to be looking for sympathy and i don't intend too. Was just contributing to this thread from a Scunny perspective and appreciated some of the comments from some fans on here.

UTI

Think 90% of us wanted Scunthorpe to survive mate and they have BUT 100% of us want you to sink as low as possible before your rise back up .

Quoted from BIron

Yes I have lost all hope now after that result last night. Barring a miracle we are down again. Never thought i would ever see my hometown club drop to those depths. I can read the room and fully aware this is not the place to be looking for sympathy and i don't intend too. Was just contributing to this thread from a Scunny perspective and appreciated some of the comments from some fans on here.

UTI

Always remember. Even if you do go down at least you support you're hometown club, not like the 3 minibus loads of "Leeds" fans we saw coming off the Scunthorpe slip road onto the m 180 one Saturday when Leeds were at home, phoney plastic scumbags, so good on you for sticking with the iron. I won't go as far as to wish you well for the season though, nothing personal.

Quoted from BIron

Yes I have lost all hope now after that result last night. Barring a miracle we are down again. Never thought i would ever see my hometown club drop to those depths. I can read the room and fully aware this is not the place to be looking for sympathy and i don't intend too. Was just contributing to this thread from a Scunny perspective and appreciated some of the comments from some fans on here.

UTI

We know how you are feeling. We felt the same way when the clown Holloway was in charge here.

Relegation seems like the end of the world at the time, but dropping down a division gives the club a chance to get back into the habit of winning games again. If you do go down, and I think that is far from certain with 12 games to go, then you will be a very big club in NLN and will probably, if well managed, get promoted back very quickly. You will then be taking on the NL with a team with winning mentality. Your fans will enjoy a promotion campaign and the whole club will get some forward momentum.

Losing at home again.

FT...Scunny 0-1 Eastleigh

and Eastleigh were down to 10 men for most of the second half.

10 wins from 81 games now over 2 seasons.

No chance they are surviving relegation.

Their new manager sounds completely out of his depth. They were doing ok with a smaller squad before he was appointed. Too many mediocre panic signings.

The good news is that they haven't gone bust. The bad news is their new owner is from the SPL and their manager is from NLN. No experience for the NL and soon to be NLN team.

For the first time since his appointment I caught an interview on Humberside with their new gaffer Jimmy Dean today....
absolutely filled me with confidence that they are heading only in one direction and will indeed be only spending one season in the National League.

Thought exactly the same, sounded well out of his depth, aggy & argumentative. Fair play to Oliver Turner though, that bloke does not give a single shíte. He’s probably only been at Humberside a year but has - live on air - suggested to Keith Hill that he should resign, told their captain the squad wasn’t up to it, informed Nelson that he’s been sacked and now made an enemy of their new manager.

I went to their game today ( given a freebie by a Scunny season ticket holder mate).
Eastleigh weren't up to much ....but they didn't have to be as Scunny were dire.
The home support were getting on their own players backs (sounds familiar) throughout the game.
My mate reckons Jimmy Dean is very much out of his depth and that they were better under Nelson.
On the plus side ....... they have a new scoreboard.

I bet their scoreboard only has one number for the home score, a big fat 0.

I have got a feeling that the new manager and chairman might be a bit out of their depth .

Had a conversation with a Scunthorpe diehard season ticket holder yesterday who is always optimistic but even he was saying there is no chance of avoiding relegation. It’s worse now since Dean came in as manager with all his new signings than when Nelson was in charge and had all the players playing for him.

See the owner was in a spat with some people on Twitter about wages not going in at midnight as they needed paying manually 🤷‍♂️

From Peter Swann (the man, the legend), to the new guy (no idea what his name is) - out of the frying pan, into the fire.

It seems it’s getting worse before it gets better. Makes our defeat today that little bit more palatable.

Quoted from Spurn boy

Had a conversation with a Scunthorpe diehard season ticket holder yesterday who is always optimistic but even he was saying there is no chance of avoiding relegation. It’s worse now since Dean came in as manager with all his new signings than when Nelson was in charge and had all the players playing for him.

Listening to Dean's post match on Humberside, he sounds completely out of his depth. Maybe it's because he's not used to handling the media but it was bordering on embarrassing how clueless he sounded.

Quoted from Gaffer58

I bet their scoreboard only has one number for the home score, a big fat 0.

Their last scoreboard had a permanent home score zero through screen burn.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

See the owner was in a spat with some people on Twitter about wages not going in at midnight as they needed paying manually 🤷‍♂️

This is an entertaining thread.

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Seems very confrontational. It's fair to correct Maguire if his info was wrong but given the wages were technically late, I don't think Maguire's tweet was inaccurate.

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I bet their scoreboard only has one number for the home score, a big fat 0.

Eurovision awaits

Each to their own but I'll never understand why we even have a Scunny thread let alone one of 117 pages. We had a game today and we are stuttering to the finish line in the league. No Lincoln or Hull thread but a small time fascination with The Iron.

I seem to remember us being generally supportive of Macclesfield and Bury fans but entertain ourselves gloating about the fate of S.U.F.C.

Well at least the Scunny fans are turning up in their numbers to try to turn this around - 3,237….

Quoted from Heisenberg

Well at least the Scunny fans are turning up in their numbers to try to turn this around - 3,237….

I'm not sure if this is irony or not...?

Actually that is decent for them. I can't see it being too long before the penny drops about Deans mind, and they turn on him - maybe they already did today.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I'm not sure if this is irony or not...?

Actually that is decent for them. I can't see it being too long before the penny drops about Deans mind, and they turn on him - maybe they already did today.

I was trying to be ironic, yes! I know we’ve had some eras of poor attendances, but when the chips are down, they don’t seem to pull together at glumford park, whereas clubs like us do. I still look at their table and think survival is possible, but I suspect the fans have given up hope.

oh wow. just listened to that interview. The guy is a complete n utter drongo. i watch step 6 and he sounds like he'd struggle at that level. Completely out of his depth, never worked at a full time level and it shows. Jacob butterielfd will be saying wtf?????

Quoted from Croxton

Each to their own but I'll never understand why we even have a Scunny thread let alone one of 117 pages. We had a game today and we are stuttering to the finish line in the league. No Lincoln or Hull thread but a small time fascination with The Iron.

I seem to remember us being generally supportive of Macclesfield and Bury fans but entertain ourselves gloating about the fate of S.U.F.C.

'Cos it's funny.

I'm supportive of Scunny in that I hope they survive, as I did Macclesfield and Bury, but it's fun watching them squirm.

Quoted from Heisenberg

I was trying to be ironic, yes! I know we’ve had some eras of poor attendances, but when the chips are down, they don’t seem to pull together at glumford park, whereas clubs like us do. I still look at their table and think survival is possible, but I suspect the fans have given up hope.

Our average attendance in 2010-11 was 3072, then 3141 the following year. We were in the upper reaches of the conference for the next few years with three consecutive PO appearances, but attendances averaged 3600-3800.

Very easy to forget, and Town fans would be well advised not to do so. Easy come, easy go.

I think their attendances have held up well tbf 7th highest in the NL , and in a total mess -real fans .Not sure ours would have held up much better with many more years of our former primary custodian .

Quoted from Croxton

Each to their own but I'll never understand why we even have a Scunny thread let alone one of 117 pages. We had a game today and we are stuttering to the finish line in the league. No Lincoln or Hull thread but a small time fascination with The Iron.

I seem to remember us being generally supportive of Macclesfield and Bury fans but entertain ourselves gloating about the fate of S.U.F.C.

Really ?

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I'm not sure if this is irony or not...?

Actually that is decent for them. I can't see it being too long before the penny drops about Deans mind, and they turn on him - maybe they already did today.

They did turn on him .

Scunny had every player in the box defending corners on numerous occasions (sound familiar) with Eastleigh having a defender on the halfway line. Supporters were screaming at Dean to leave a forward in the middle.
Eventually he listened to the crowd and shouted to the forward to go to the halfway line (he only did this due to
the supporters screaming at him to do so). Obviously Eastleigh did what every team would (should) do and put an additional defender on the halfway line to counteract this.

Quoted from ska face

Our average attendance in 2010-11 was 3072, then 3141 the following year. We were in the upper reaches of the conference for the next few years with three consecutive PO appearances, but attendances averaged 3600-3800.

Very easy to forget, and Town fans would be well advised not to do so. Easy come, easy go.

I do remember that, yes, but when you’re at the business end and desperate to stay up, the fans unite and you start doubling the gates for home games. That hasn’t happened to them yet as they probably feel all hope is lost. Our first two seasons in NL we finished 11th both times, which is about as boring and vanilla as you can get. Scunny are still getting 3000 when they’ve got rid of their Voldemort character and need some sort of bounce or it’s curtains, but it isn’t happening.

You've got to acknowledge the fact the supporters that do turn up are at least supporting Thier home team, unlike all the so called "scunny Leeds" idiots.
It would be funny to see them drop further, bit even I'm starting to feel a sliver of empathy for Thier true fans..

Quoted from supertown

Really ?

I get the local rivalry bit. It's part of football life. The scale of ridicule seems disproportionate considering our last 20 years. Looking at Carlisle fans as I walked back to my car yesterday, they look exactly like Towns fans but wearing different colours.

Mind you, it was a former Town manager who said that football is more important than life or death.

Quoted from Croxton

I get the local rivalry bit. It's part of football life. The scale of ridicule seems disproportionate considering our last 20 years. Looking at Carlisle fans as I walked back to my car yesterday, they look exactly like Towns fans but wearing different colours.

Mind you, it was a former Town manager who said that football is more important than life or death.

All you need to do is remember Von Veen after he scored the only goal at BP when they won, ironically when PH was their manager. Afterwards their support were rubbing it in for ages. If the boot was on the other foot then they’d be all over it.

Quoted from Heisenberg

I do remember that, yes, but when you’re at the business end and desperate to stay up, the fans unite and you start doubling the gates for home games. That hasn’t happened to them yet as they probably feel all hope is lost. Our first two seasons in NL we finished 11th both times, which is about as boring and vanilla as you can get. Scunny are still getting 3000 when they’ve got rid of their Voldemort character and need some sort of bounce or it’s curtains, but it isn’t happening.

Look back over the years and Scunny have had many seasons in the league averaging well below 3k, so averaging 3k+ is good for them. They are simply a small club hemmed in by bigger clubs with a longer history - us, Lincoln and Donny. I think Scunny fans have rallied and are quite loyal, unlike Lincoln fans who practically disappeared from the scene when they were struggling down there, especially away from home, as we well know.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

All you need to do is remember Von Veen after he scored the only goal at BP when they won, ironically when PH was their manager. Afterwards their support were rubbing it in for ages. If the boot was on the other foot then they’d be all over it.

Yes, I was there too. He certainly is a twit, so much so that even the Scunny fans didn't like his arrogance. Punch and Judy stuff really.

I’m not convinced the saga at scunny is anywhere near finished. That 1899 deal or whatever it is, fancy ST and membership etc looks like a bit of a scam (even a scunny fan said that to me) and the new owners seems a proper bellsniff.

The manager/coach or whatever they’ve called him that was brought him is a proper dodgy bloke and clearly has a questionable side hustle.

Can still see it getting worse for them…

Quoted from aldi_01

I’m not convinced the saga at scunny is anywhere near finished. That 1899 deal or whatever it is, fancy ST and membership etc looks like a bit of a scam (even a scunny fan said that to me) and the new owners seems a proper bellsniff.

The manager/coach or whatever they’ve called him that was brought him is a proper dodgy bloke and clearly has a questionable side hustle.

Can still see it getting worse for them…

The Club 1899 or whatever it's called does seem a strange scheme. Their new owner wants 1899 fans to contribute £1899 each and for this they get a season ticket, a few bits of tat like a scarf etc., money off at the club shop AND a £1 share in the company that owns the ground or something like that. This looks like the new owner trying to recoup the money he spent on the ground immediately. He has appointed a manager who has no experience of managing or playing any higher than NLN to manage a full time professional club. The new owner is already in a spat on Twitter with a football finance person. Its better than Swann for them but for how long. At least they have still got a club.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

The Club 1899 or whatever it's called does seem a strange scheme. Their new owner wants 1899 fans to contribute £1899 each and for this they get a season ticket, a few bits of tat like a scarf etc., money off at the club shop AND a £1 share in the company that owns the ground or something like that. This looks like the new owner trying to recoup the money he spent on the ground immediately. He has appointed a manager who has no experience of managing or playing any higher than NLN to manage a full time professional club. The new owner is already in a spat on Twitter with a football finance person. It's better than Swann for them but for how long. At least they have still got a club.

Swann's company's mortgage on the stadium and the land around was £3.6 million I think. I don't know the total amount that was paid, but as SUFC are effectively worth less than SFA as a net cash generator at their current level the owners will need to extract development value/profit from the land to get any sort of return on investment. The owner is not a benevolent fan like our owners, he is a property developer. This looks like a cash-raising scheme and the key question is what for? To invest in the club and playing squad or the design and planning application for the land around the stadium? We shall see...

I hope that they, just like every other club, have found owners that are decent.  No proper club deserves to have their club sold from underneath them.

But I'm laughing like a flipping drain at the state of them on the pitch.  Pub footballers with a pub manager and yet they look like they still couldn't organise a urine-up.

They laughed out our demise, we're laughing back at them now.  It'll come back round again, it always does. Gloat whilst you can.  If we didn't enjoy the suffering of others, football would be a dull affair all round.

They had Swann

Now they have these two charlatans .

Its almost like he gave them the keys and said 'do your worst'

Whats the league below the NLN ?

Its either that or the club goes sadly

Slow and painful or short and sweet ,unfortunately one way or another their demise is almost fully complete .

Their new custodians achievements so far :

- appointed a pub league level manager
-Signed pub league level players
-Got into an argument with their independent Iron Bru podcast
-Argued a factual tweet from an experienced football accountant on twitter
- Sacked a manager without him knowing about it
-Set up some sort of strange fan owned stadium scheme

Thats all in just a few weeks

They might need to move back to their former ground because this might be the ultimate one, just sit back and watch .

Quoted from Mappers

Their new custodians achievements so far :

- appointed a pub league level manager
-Signed pub league level players
-Got into an argument with their independent Iron Bru podcast
-Argued a factual tweet from an experienced football accountant on twitter
- Sacked a manager without him knowing about it
-Set up some sort of strange fan owned stadium scheme

Thats all in just a few weeks

They might need to move back to their former ground because this might be the ultimate one, just sit back and watch .

I was surprised at the Twitter exchange, Maguires a decent follow on Twitter, generally posting scans of actual documents and clearly distinguishing between facts/rumours. A quick prod to him stating the wages were fine, no harm done but the Hilton guy came over as very abrasive and unprofessional. Then a handful of Hilton fans backed him up in deriding Maguire, all very familiar.
Their manager sounds like the guy sat on his own 2 rows back at BP shouting footballing terms and commands, but with a smaller vocabulary, and the team are heading for a winless patch that will detach them form safety long before the seasons end.

Apart from that, the turnaround is going well.

Quoted from Mappers

Their new custodians achievements so far :

- appointed a pub league level manager
-Signed pub league level players
-Got into an argument with their independent Iron Bru podcast
-Argued a factual tweet from an experienced football accountant on twitter
- Sacked a manager without him knowing about it
-Set up some sort of strange fan owned stadium scheme

Thats all in just a few weeks

They might need to move back to their former ground because this might be the ultimate one, just sit back and watch .

I think you’ll find their previous ground is now a supermarket so the only part of it to play a game of football is the car park. Just need 4 shopping trolleys for goalposts.

Quoted from Spurn boy

I think you’ll find their previous ground is now a supermarket so the only part of it to play a game of football is the car park. Just need 4 shopping trolleys for goalposts.

Think the position of the centre spot is marked in one of the aisles though in memorium of the old showground.....quite aptly it's the aisle between toilet roll and dog poop bags.

Quoted from aldi_01

I’m not convinced the saga at scunny is anywhere near finished. That 1899 deal or whatever it is, fancy ST and membership etc looks like a bit of a scam (even a scunny fan said that to me) and the new owners seems a proper bellsniff.

The manager/coach or whatever they’ve called him that was brought him is a proper dodgy bloke and clearly has a questionable side hustle.

Can still see it getting worse for them…

Football Club buyers have to have reasons for purchase. In the Prem it's either to make money (Man U Liverpool Arsenal) or advert for a dodgy country/sports wash Man C Newcastle.
In Div 2 it must mean something to that person, either you went with your dad/ you from the area and when you made good you wish to keep the club going, or quick buck which normally is selling off the ground.(The only asset really)
What connection has David Hilton got with SUFC or Scunthorpe? Nothing. You're quite right it's not going to end well.

Football financing is a mystery to me at they best of times. Football clubs are where successful businessmen go to forget everything that made them successful businessmen.

At first I assumed Hilton was a true Scunts fan coming in to rescue the club out of his own pocket. From that perspective offering the fans the chance to own the ground, and recouping the alleged £3.6 million he paid for the club and ground seemed like a win win. The fans would own the ground so the club would always have a home, and he would have bought the club basically for nothing.

But if it's true that he has no affiliation with Club then there must be something more to it.

If 1,899 fans did go for the deal, it makes you wonder where that cash is going. Because if it goes to Hilton, then that blows a giant hole in next seasons playing budget. I don't know how many season tickets the club would expect to sell next season, but I doubt its much over 3,000. If you the lose the income from 1,900 of those, it's a pretty major shortfall.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Look back over the years and Scunny have had many seasons in the league averaging well below 3k, so averaging 3k+ is good for them. They are simply a small club hemmed in by bigger clubs with a longer history - us, Lincoln and Donny. I think Scunny fans have rallied and are quite loyal, unlike Lincoln fans who practically disappeared from the scene when they were struggling down there, especially away from home, as we well know.

Having lived in Lincoln for a while, I can confirm there weren't any Lincoln fans in Lincoln until they got back in the league. Then all of them were suddenly die-hard fans who 100% had supported through thick and thin. Honest. There was also a weird fetish for the Cowleys for a while.

Scunny pick up a much needed 3 points tonight but with Yeovil, York and Dorking all somewhat inexplicably winning, and Gateshead picking up a valuable point, Scunny are no closer to safety than they were this morning

Quoted from immariner

Scunny pick up a much needed 3 points tonight but with Yeovil, York and Dorking all somewhat inexplicably winning, and Gateshead picking up a valuable point, Scunny are no closer to safety than they were this morning

As much as I love the Scunts demise, I do miss the edginess of a local derby with them. Hopefully those games might become possible when they fall to Grimsby Borough or Cleethorpes Towns levels.😉

I see they already have released one of the new signings that they only just brought in during February ! 😄

Quoted from moosey_club

I see they already have released one of the new signings that they only just brought in during February ! 😄

Not released recalled forest green thought he had served his punishment and after two weeks in scunthorpe he has promised not to eat another McDonald’s

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Not released recalled forest green thought he had served his punishment and after two weeks in scunthorpe he has promised not to eat another McDonald’s

No that's another one . This one has gone to Eastleigh

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Not released recalled forest green thought he had served his punishment and after two weeks in scunthorpe he has promised not to eat another McDonald’s

Bunker was recalled by FGR, it's McDonagh who's left, signed for Eastleigh I think.

Played 4, scored 1 ...released to Eastleigh, haha.

I didn't realise Bunker had gone as well earlier in the week.

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Bunker was recalled by FGR, it's McDonagh who's left, signed for Eastleigh I think.

Pretty sure I had a McDoner in Glashow once.

Quoted from moosey_club

Think the position of the centre spot is marked in one of the aisles though in memorium of the old showground.....quite aptly it's the aisle between toilet roll and dog poop bags.

I think this is the most depressing thing I have ever read about a former football ground. I couldn't bear that if it was BP.

Scunny away at Solihull tonight, still a tough game but Solihull not meeting expectations after last season.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Scunny away at Solihull tonight, still a tough game but Solihull not meeting expectations after last season.

And by all accounts lost their two best players in recent weeks. An opportunity for Scunny.

Quoted from Heisenberg

And by all accounts lost their two best players in recent weeks. An opportunity for Scunny.

Completely, agree… this is a huge opportunity for Scunny to get something; I fully expect them to pick up at least a poi…

Final score: Solihull 3, Scunny 0!

Latest score after 15 minutes

Solihull 1-0 Scunny

Hilarious goal to concede, but they've just equalised

2-1 Solihull after 86 minutes.

Haha...
As the final whistle blew on our commentary I switched my radio back to DAB in time to hear Neil Cox summarise the 3-1 loss as "probably Scunnys best performance of the season"...

The fat Swann has sung

They have 11 wins from the past 83 games now, over 2 seasons.

Must be brutal being one of their fans at the moment and NLN beckons for sure.

Quoted from ginnywings

They have 11 wins from the past 83 games now, over 2 seasons.

Must be brutal being one of their fans at the moment and NLN beckons for sure.

They deserve it.

I figure they will need at least 46 points to survive, So that's 16 points from their remaining 9 games. It will be quite a feat if they pull that off.

Quoted from RonMariner

I figure they will need at least 46 points to survive, So that's 16 points from their remaining 9 games. It will be quite a feat if they pull that off.

Be surprised if they need that many . Probably 42

Quoted from supertown

Be surprised if they need that many . Probably 42

You really think the likes of Dorking and Yeovil will only get another 4 points this season? They both have 37 points currently and are averaging just over a point a game. No reason they shouldn't get close to 45 points.

Scunts will need to overtake one of them. (And Gateshead who have three points, a 17 goal difference advantage and two games in hand on them.) Cant see 42 points being enough.

Aldershot went down with 43 points last season. Eastleigh stayed up with 46 points. So that's the kind of ball park for safety.

Gateshead have home games to come against all the other sides around them including Scunny. Yeovil and Dorking have still got to play each other. Think the Heed will be safe and can't see Scunny catching up the points on both Yeovil and Dorking.

Quoted from supertown

Be surprised if they need that many . Probably 42

Even that is going to be a tall order. Basically they’ve got to go from averaging one win every eight matches (based on nearly two seasons of matches!) to winning one in two. They do need to play most of them around them which may help but they are 5 of the last 7 so they may pretty much be out of reach by then.

just listened to their manager. Jeez he sounds as thick as pigsh!t. Can hardly put 2 words together, and even when he does you can have a great game of cliche bingo ;D ;D ;D

PS what's this about him having a dodgy past?

Quoted from forza ivano

just listened to their manager. Jeez he sounds as thick as pigsh!t. Can hardly put 2 words together, and even when he does you can have a great game of cliche bingo ;D ;D ;D

PS what's this about him having a dodgy past?

Find the tweets from other fans, the day he was appointed…massive rumours he likes to sell sweets to adults so speak…

Thought this was ironic, Scunthorpe supporter bemoaning the fact they’re going down to a league where a club takes 8 supporters to an away game, the same club where they recruited their current manager from BTW.

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Thought this was ironic, Scunthorpe supporter bemoaning the fact they’re going down to a league where a club takes 8 supporters to an away game, the same club where they recruited their current manager from BTW.

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Scunny might actually be considered massive

Quoted from moosey_club

Scunny might actually be considered massive

They'll easily be the biggest club in the NLN won't they?

Quoted from Mariner_09

They'll easily be the biggest club in the NLN won't they?

Darlington fans might dispute that. York could yet get dragged into it and they might protest that claim too.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Darlington fans might dispute that. York could yet get dragged into it and they might protest that claim too.

Chester and Hereford are another two "biggish" clubs down there.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Chester and Hereford are another two "biggish" clubs down there.

Hereford still being regarded as the biggest giant killers in FA Cup history until Sunday.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Chester and Hereford are another two "biggish" clubs down there.

Blimey, when you start reeling off the clubs in the NLN it's no cakewalk to get out of it. Scunny fans probably think they will walk it if they go down, but it might be tougher than they imagine.

Quoted from RonMariner

Blimey, when you start reeling off the clubs in the NLN it's no cakewalk to get out of it. Scunny fans probably think they will walk it if they go down, but it might be tougher than they imagine.

Yet the top 2 are AFC Fylde and King's Lynn Town. At least one of them will go up you would imagine, although I'm hoping Scarborough make it through the play-offs.

Boston fighting relegation alongside Kettering, although both should survive. Telford will probably be mathematically relegated before the end of March, and Kidderminster sit in 13th despite all that cup money they made last season.

You then have northern powerhouses such as Gloucester City, Banbury United and Brackley Town.

Quoted from RonMariner

Blimey, when you start reeling off the clubs in the NLN it's no cakewalk to get out of it. Scunny fans probably think they will walk it if they go down, but it might be tougher than they imagine.

It took Stockport 6 years to get out of NLN.

Quoted from RonMariner

Blimey, when you start reeling off the clubs in the NLN it's no cakewalk to get out of it. Scunny fans probably think they will walk it if they go down,but it might be tougher than they imagine.

To be fair...they thought the same when they went down to the National League....

so they clearly know what they are talking about 😅👋

We’re not down yet! Fat lady was about to clear her throat but hanging in there, still on a life support machine. 4-1 against a team who was 8th in the league shows how terrible this league is. Going to Notts County away not expecting anything there, it is the other games where we have the faintest of chances.

Some of the comments on here are shocking, saying we deserve to go down to NL North? And you wonder why Scunny supporters gave it so much when you cods were down here? Some of you have been respectful towards me to be honest.

UTI

Quoted from moosey_club

To be fair...they thought the same when they went down to the National League....

so they clearly know what they are talking about 😅👋

No we didn’t, we saw how long you cods were down here to know that. Making things up as you go along. I genuinely feared we’d go down again because of our previous regime.

UTI

Quoted from RonMariner

Blimey, when you start reeling off the clubs in the NLN it's no cakewalk to get out of it. Scunny fans probably think they will walk it if they go down, but it might be tougher than they imagine.

Why would we think we would walk it? We’ve suffered terribly the past 3 years, saw how long it took Stockport to get back up and wasn’t easy for York either.

Still find it amazing you cods have got to a FA Cup quarter final, can only dream of ever seeing my hometown do that.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

We’re not down yet! Fat lady was about to clear her throat but hanging in there, still on a life support machine. 4-1 against a team who was 8th in the league shows how terrible this league is. Going to Notts County away not expecting anything there, it is the other games where we have the faintest of chances.

Some of the comments on here are shocking, saying we deserve to go down to NL North? And you wonder why Scunny supporters gave it so much when you cods were down here? Some of you have been respectful towards me to be honest.

UTI

The comments are no worse than when you Ferrous Five Fingered F**ckers gave it large and gloated when we went down. What goes round come around.
Shocking I maybe but I can't wait for the day your local derby's are against Winterton and Goole.

Quoted from BIron

We’re not down yet! Fat lady was about to clear her throat but hanging in there, still on a life support machine. 4-1 against a team who was 8th in the league shows how terrible this league is. Going to Notts County away not expecting anything there, it is the other games where we have the faintest of chances.

Some of the comments on here are shocking, saying we deserve to go down to NL North? And you wonder why Scunny supporters gave it so much when you cods were down here? Some of you have been respectful towards me to be honest.

UTI

Tbf, your on the board of your biggest rivals, what kind of reception where you expecting?
I firmly believe you will get out of it as the teams around you are equally as bad.
However, it's going to be a long time until you get back in the EFL, more likely we will be coming down to your level before you get up.
As for the shocking comments, people on here are only reacting to how some of you lot were behaving when we was down there and you lot were flying high, I for one will never be too nasty as karma doesn't take long to manifest itself in football.
However,it would be funny to see you drop further.

Quoted from rancido

The comments are no worse than when you Ferrous Five Fingered F**ckers gave it large and gloated when we went down. What goes round come around.
Shocking I maybe but I can't wait for the day your local derby's are against Winterton and Goole.

Ferrous five fingered fornicators 😂 such an angry l Codhead aren’t you. We might be at our lowest ebb but we are a long way from those derbies just yet. You can look forward to pretending you’ve got a rivalry with Donny now I suppose instead.

What about the many decades where you was above us and we had to put up with taunting? As soon as we got to the championship and you was down there we gave it out and rightly so.

But I wouldn’t wish for you to be in NL North, would rather play you in a derby. Won’t drop to your bitter levels.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Ferrous five fingered fornicators 😂 such an angry l Codhead aren’t you. We might be at our lowest ebb but we are a long way from those derbies just yet. You can look forward to pretending you’ve got a rivalry with Donny now I suppose instead.

What about the many decades where you was above us and we had to put up with taunting? As soon as we got to the championship and you was down there we gave it out and rightly so.

But I wouldn’t wish for you to be in NL North, would rather play you in a derby. Won’t drop to your bitter levels.

UTI

Your coming across as quite angry and disrespectful in the tone of your posts.
As a scunny supporter your a guest on this board and you need to show a bit more class and respect.
Now no one's saying that they want you lot to go pop and disappear are they, if you come on here with a balanced viewpoint and add to the discussion in a calm civilised manner people will respond in the same way, wether we be "codheads" or just normal football supporters, the one thing we have in common is we support our local clubs and we're not plastic mancs or Scouse gits or god forbid "Donny whites" .

Quoted from BIron

Ferrous five fingered fornicators 😂 such an angry l Codhead aren’t you. We might be at our lowest ebb but we are a long way from those derbies just yet. You can look forward to pretending you’ve got a rivalry with Donny now I suppose instead.

What about the many decades where you was above us and we had to put up with taunting? As soon as we got to the championship and you was down there we gave it out and rightly so.

But I wouldn’t wish for you to be in NL North, would rather play you in a derby. Won’t drop to your bitter levels.

UTI

That aint gonna happen. Johnny come lately rugby town.

We'll catch Lincoln instead and joust with them for a bit while you sort yourselves out.

As for the comments about you on here. Just giving back what you gave us.

See you in a decade or so.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Tbf, your on the board of your biggest rivals, what kind of reception where you expecting?
I firmly believe you will get out of it as the teams around you are equally as bad.
However, it's going to be a long time until you get back in the EFL, more likely we will be coming down to your level before you get up.
As for the shocking comments, people on here are only reacting to how some of you lot were behaving when we was down there and you lot were flying high, I for one will never be too nasty as karma doesn't take long to manifest itself in football.
However,it would be funny to see you drop further.

I’ve said on here before I can read the room I’m not looking for sympathy. I’ve also spoke before on how nice it was to see some of your lot on here actually hoping we didn’t go bust and I received some respectful posts in return as well. I’m responding to this ‘Rancido’ clown dropping the five fingered insults and giving it some.

Honestly I don’t think we will get out of it but it is nice to be able to still have that glimmer of hope. Yes it is a worry that we won’t play each other for a long time and nobody really wants that deep down.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Ferrous five fingered fornicators 😂 such an angry l Codhead aren’t you. We might be at our lowest ebb but we are a long way from those derbies just yet. You can look forward to pretending you’ve got a rivalry with Donny now I suppose instead.

What about the many decades where you was above us and we had to put up with taunting? As soon as we got to the championship and you was down there we gave it out and rightly so.

But I wouldn’t wish for you to be in NL North, would rather play you in a derby. Won’t drop to your bitter levels.

UTI

You might not like Ferrous Five Fingered Fornicator but I don't like being called a Codhead.
I'm certainly not angry but very happy especially with your demise. If you don't like the tone of GTFC supporters on here, especially me, which I hasten to add is our own message board, then I suggest you stick to the Blast Furnace for your posts.

Now, now girls. Sort yourselves out.

Quoted from rancido

You might not like Ferrous Five Fingered Fornicator but I don't like being called a Codhead.
I'm certainly not angry but very happy especially with your demise. If you don't like the tone of GTFC supporters on here, especially me, which I hasten to add is our own message board, then I suggest you stick to the Blast Furnace for your posts.

Just as I would be happy if it was the other way round but no need to resort to expletives. Definitely don’t like your tone the bitterness oozes out of you but there is some decent people on here. Fully aware it is a Grimsby fan message board, it is a thread about Scunthorpe and I’m responding to posts about us, majority are respectful as well.

UTI

Scunthorpe will survive only if they finish above Gateshead . They have games in hand . I didn't want you to go bust and I genuinely felt sorry for the genuine fans but I also genuinely hope you end up playing Brigg town

Tbf I post on the iron bru site from time to time and everyone in the main is pretty decent ,you just get the odd one like on here .

I think in the main Town fans dont want the club to go as Swann so desperately did .But a few want you to have your medicine down there so to speak.

Decent result today for you , as i put in an earlier post ,i do have concerns the saga there is far feom over with Dean and Hilton at the wheel .

Quoted from Mappers

Tbf I post on the iron bru site from time to time and everyone in the main is pretty decent ,you just get the odd one like on here .

I think in the main Town fans dont want the club to go as Swann so desperately did .But a few want you to have your medicine down there so to speak.

Decent result today for you , as i put in an earlier post ,i do have concerns the saga there is far feom over with Dean and Hilton at the wheel .

I'm always dubious when someone takes over a football club who isn't a supporter or is from the area, this new guy at Scunthorpe is neither as far as I'm aware, like the Glazers at man utd or various sheikhs, Chinese,Americans etc that own our most famous clubs, shouldn't be allowed.

Quoted from BIron

I’ve said on here before I can read the room I’m not looking for sympathy. I’ve also spoke before on how nice it was to see some of your lot on here actually hoping we didn’t go bust and I received some respectful posts in return as well. I’m responding to this ‘Rancido’ clown dropping the five fingered insults and giving it some.

Honestly I don’t think we will get out of it but it is nice to be able to still have that glimmer of hope. Yes it is a worry that we won’t play each other for a long time and nobody really wants that deep down.

UTI

Looking at your run in, a lot of games are "6 pointers" I personally think you will just escape in your usual spawny fashion.

Quoted from BIron

Ferrous five fingered fornicators 😂 such an angry l Codhead aren’t you. We might be at our lowest ebb but we are a long way from those derbies just yet. You can look forward to pretending you’ve got a rivalry with Donny now I suppose instead.

What about the many decades where you was above us and we had to put up with taunting? As soon as we got to the championship and you was down there we gave it out and rightly so.

On another note have you heard /aware of Grayson ?
We have just picked him up on a scholarship and believe he was with you ? Decent prospect apparently

But I wouldn’t wish for you to be in NL North, would rather play you in a derby. Won’t drop to your bitter levels.

UTI

Is anyone else amused that UTI is a medical abbreviation for a bladder/waterworks infection? (Urinary Tract Infection).

So yes, UTI. Pass the penicillin.

Quoted from Phil the cod

Your coming across as quite angry and disrespectful in the tone of your posts.
As a scunny supporter your a guest on this board and you need to show a bit more class and respect.
Now no one's saying that they want you lot to go pop and disappear are they, if you come on here with a balanced viewpoint and add to the discussion in a calm civilised manner people will respond in the same way, wether we be "codheads" or just normal football supporters, the one thing we have in common is we support our local clubs and we're not plastic mancs or Scouse gits or god forbid "Donny whites" .

Definitely didn’t intend to come across angry and disrespectful, I’ve engaged with some nice individuals on here despite the club rivalry we have.I was firing back at the one individual giving it the five finger taunts. Absolutely, the pride you have following your hometown team is something else. Sometimes you have to hit the lows to appreciate the good times.

You lot are certainly going through that now, FA Cup quarter final is a once in a lifetime experience.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Definitely didn’t intend to come across angry and disrespectful, I’ve engaged with some nice individuals on here despite the club rivalry we have.I was firing back at the one individual giving it the five finger taunts. Absolutely, the pride you have following your hometown team is something else. Sometimes you have to hit the lows to appreciate the good times.

You lot are certainly going through that now, FA Cup quarter final is a once in a lifetime experience.

UTI

I find the expression ' Codhead ' just as bad as you don't like my expression ' ferrous five fingered' but maybe you are more sensitive than me. If you have seen any of my previous posts, as regards your club, you should know that I never wanted your club to go bust. I could totally empathise with the feeling of having an egocentric owner pulling your home town club down and the pain you feel. But you must admit that the gloating from your fans and remarks on the Blast Furnace when we were first relegated to non-league justified a response when the roles were reversed.

Quoted from rancido

I find the expression ' Codhead ' just as bad as you don't like my expression ' ferrous five fingered' but maybe you are more sensitive than me. If you have seen any of my previous posts, as regards your club, you should know that I never wanted your club to go bust. I could totally empathise with the feeling of having an egocentric owner pulling your home town club down and the pain you feel. But you must admit that the gloating from your fans and remarks on the Blast Furnace when we were first relegated to non-league justified a response when the roles were reversed.

Appreciate the response, all is forgiven. Still not wishing you all the best today though but what an achievement getting to the FA Cup quarter finals. I can only hope we have some glory days to experience in the future too.

Yes that is local rival banter but hurt to read some people wishing we go down to NL North personally I love the derby games and hope they will return one day.

Just might take us 5-10 years to sort ourselves out first. Pleased you don’t see Donny as rivals either, they have a weird obsession with be us but our main derby will always be your lot.

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Notts v Sc.unthorpe this Saturday

Tickets £10 adults,£5 over 65's and under 22's and under 16's a quid

Hope that lots of Scunny fans make the journey,12,000 tickets sold so far

We’ve almost sold our full allocation of 1,750. Considering where we are in the league, it is brilliant support. The new ownership has revitalised us as a fan base, made people appreciate just having a hometown club. Got my ticket for Notts County and York City on the Tuesday night. Not expecting a result on the Saturday but off early on the train so should be a cracking day out.

UTI

Don't expect the result to be a foregone conclusion Blron,Notts have a nasty habit of losing "easy" games,it's in our DNA,great support from your fans if you sell out your allocation and looking forward to a noisy atmosphere on the day

Quoted from BIron

We’ve almost sold our full allocation of 1,750. Considering where we are in the league, it is brilliant support. The new ownership has revitalised us as a fan base, made people appreciate just having a hometown club. Got my ticket for Notts County and York City on the Tuesday night. Not expecting a result on the Saturday but off early on the train so should be a cracking day out.

UTI

A bit like us on Sunday! ;)

Some. Great pubs in notts,. Vat and fiddle, trip to Jerusalem and canal house to name a few.

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Some. Great pubs in notts,. Vat and fiddle, trip to Jerusalem and canal house to name a few.

And don't forget Hooters! ;D

There will be bigger mammaries in the away stand on Saturday

Quoted from BIron

We’ve almost sold our full allocation of 1,750. Considering where we are in the league, it is brilliant support. The new ownership has revitalised us as a fan base, made people appreciate just having a hometown club. Got my ticket for Notts County and York City on the Tuesday night. Not expecting a result on the Saturday but off early on the train so should be a cracking day out.

UTI

Good that you are getting behind the club. Took your time but at least doing it now - 8 key games in the club’s history.

Notts is a cracking away day, hope they come up with Chesterfield to give us two more local games and for the amusement factor with Wrexham. Doesn’t look likely that Wrexham will manage to mess this up again now mind.

I'll only say this once ... I'm hoping for a scunthorpe win. I need Wrexham to win the league in my.lucky 15 😄

Quoted from lukeo

I'll only say this once ... I'm hoping for a scunthorpe win. I need Wrexham to win the league in my.lucky 15 😄

It’s ok, I’ll let you off there - first rule of football betting - never let sentiment cloud your judgement…

Quoted from BIron

Honestly I don’t think we will get out of it but it is nice to be able to still have that glimmer of hope. Yes it is a worry that we won’t play each other for a long time and nobody really wants that deep down.

UTI

You are only 4 points behind Dorking, so they are certainly catchable, especially if you have still to play them. Looks like the teams below you are dead meat, so what you have to do is finish them and either either Gateshead or Yeovil, neither of whom are tearing up trees at the moment. If you can tonk a team in 8th place, you certainly have a chance.

Looks to me like 46 points will see you safe, so that's 13 points from 8 games. Four wins and a draw. Given your fixtures that is not impossible. I wish you good luck. it's not your fans fault that you are where you are, and if our previous owner was still in charge with his Nigerian con man buddy in tow who knows where we would be right now.

Quoted from BIron

We’ve almost sold our full allocation of 1,750. Considering where we are in the league, it is brilliant support. The new ownership has revitalised us as a fan base, made people appreciate just having a hometown club. Got my ticket for Notts County and York City on the Tuesday night. Not expecting a result on the Saturday but off early on the train so should be a cracking day out.

UTI

I see Gainsborough won last night , looking good for the play offs . Oh the Irony if you end up in the same league as them . You could call it The Peter Swann derby . I'm sure you'll sell that one out 😂😂😂

Quoted from BIron

We’ve almost sold our full allocation of 1,750. Considering where we are in the league, it is brilliant support. The new ownership has revitalised us as a fan base, made people appreciate just having a hometown club. Got my ticket for Notts County and York City on the Tuesday night. Not expecting a result on the Saturday but off early on the train so should be a cracking day out.

UTI

Isn't it strange we have a notts county fan in discussion with a scunny fan on a GTFC forum 😮

Quoted from Norseman

Isn't it strange we have a notts county fan in discussion with a scunny fan on a GTFC forum 😮

I think it's nice we provide a space for those less fortunate than ourselves. 🤣🤣🤣😄
Like we are carrying on 1878s principles on our message board!
And of course it's good to keep in touch with grass roots football 🤣🤣🤣

Quoted from Norseman

Isn't it strange we have a notts county fan in discussion with a scunny fan on a GTFC forum 😮

It just goes to show that if you respect The Fishy and don't act like a two hat then everyone is welcome on here 😎

Quoted from forza ivano

And of course it's good to keep in touch with grass roots football 🤣🤣🤣

Worth a gold star that line 👍

They've announced their early bird season ticket prices for next season.

Yet bizarrely you can't pay for the season tickets with either debit or credit card, has to be via bank transfer or cash. Apparently down to the card merchant....

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/march/2023-24-season-tickets-on-sale-now/

Quoted Text

PAYMENT INFORMATION

The card merchant will not permit us to take season ticket payments by credit or debit card. This also applies to online season ticket purchases.

Season tickets may be purchased via the Ticket Office in cash or by direct bank transfer. Bank account details will be provided upon request along with a unique reference number that will be used to identify the season ticket holder.

Please be advised this only applies to season tickets, all other matchday tickets can be purchased using a card as normal.

Seems very legit.

Was their card provider Elavon?

Tweet 1631658484709093376 will appear here...

Quoted from diehardmariner

They've announced their early bird season ticket prices for next season.

Yet bizarrely you can't pay for the season tickets with either debit or credit card, has to be via bank transfer or cash. Apparently down to the card merchant....

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/march/2023-24-season-tickets-on-sale-now/

Seems very legit.

Cardholders can raise a chargeback if a good or service is not provided. For a club at risk of failure, it’s a risk to try and avoid, but can be mitigated by way of guarantee from someone with means. This wouldn’t have surprised me at Scunny under Swann, but does surprise me at Lincoln.

Quoted from Chalky

Notts v Sc.unthorpe this Saturday

Tickets £10 adults,£5 over 65's and under 22's and under 16's a quid

Hope that lots of Scunny fans make the journey,12,000 tickets sold so far

16,000 tickets now sold plus a section of the away stand opened for home fans,should be a cracking atmosphere,fingers crossed for a 4-3 win

Quoted from Chalky

16,000 tickets now sold plus a section of the away stand opened for home fans,should be a cracking atmosphere,fingers crossed for a 4-3 win

So you only give a full away allocation to teams you don't fear then?

Quoted from ginnywings

So you only give a full away allocation to teams you don't fear then?

We've been through all that before

Quoted from Chalky

We've been through all that before

Still rankles though. I couldn't get a ticket for the game, so forgive me for being a bit peeved still.

I see their new primary funder is arguing with the Iron bru podcast boys again over their new ticket scheme ..... 'there really is no chance of pleasing some of you lot ,honestly ,talk about constantly fighting fires ,its exhausting !'- David Hilton 23/3/23

Ohh ohh

Quoted from ginnywings

Still rankles though. I couldn't get a ticket for the game, so forgive me for being a bit peeved still.

It was down to police advice and nothing to do with Notts,why would we turn down money?

Anyway you had the last laugh so maybe it's time to forgive and forget ♥️

Quoted from Chalky

It was down to police advice and nothing to do with Notts,why would we turn down money?

Anyway you had the last laugh so maybe it's time to forgive and forget ♥️

Nah, not buying that. We've took many more to your place in previous games and Notts police regularly handle bigger and uglier crowds than GTFC.

Quoted from Chalky

It was down to police advice and nothing to do with Notts,why would we turn down money?

Anyway you had the last laugh so maybe it's time to forgive and forget ♥️

The reason you turned down money was to try maximise home advantage as the revenue sharing model of gate receipts meant what you received for the game was minimal; it wasn't just split between us 2!

Can we all agree that it wasn't my fault personally then?

If it was up to me I would have put you all up at my gaff for the night and gone for a pint after the game with you 🍻

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The reason you turned down money was to try maximise home advantage as the revenue sharing model of gate receipts meant what you received for the game was minimal; it wasn't just split between us 2!

Tbf we are doing exactly the same for every big one in giving the minimum we can for the osmond .
I know Meadow Lane has a higher capacity ,but i would be doing the same in their shoes .
Will be interesting to see how many Doncaster give us ,if its the full 4k as they have been getting relatively low crowds this season (4 and 5k ,their av attendance is inflated by a few big away followings )
So that one could be like a home game for us .

Quoted from Chalky

Can we all agree that it wasn't my fault personally then?

If it was up to me I would have put you all up at my gaff for the night and gone for a pint after the game with you 🍻

FWIW I want Wrexham & Notts to go up (i might be in the minority)
Although it would make the league stronger ,at least you would bring decent numbers.
I am sick of teams bringing 100 to BP when we take big numbers away to them .
And no disrespect but Barnet ,Woking or Eastleigh would probably bring double figures .
Have any of the stattos on here got a list of away attendances at BP this season ?

Quoted from Mappers

Tbf we are doing exactly the same for every big one in giving the minimum we can for the osmond .
I know Meadow Lane has a higher capacity ,but i would be doing the same in their shoes .
Will be interesting to see how many Doncaster give us ,if its the full 4k as they have been getting relatively low crowds this season (4 and 5k ,their av attendance is inflated by a few big away followings )
So that one could be like a home game for us .

We aren't because we don't have thousands and thousands of empty seats in the home end like notts did - what was the gate for an 18k stadium that night?

I don't really have a problem with notts doing it, it's within the rules - but I do have a problem with them lying about why they did it! Obviously, and especially after the league match, they knew how big and vocal our support would be and worried it would give us a boost, so tried to minimise that boost.

I said it at the time - as the NL playoffs are like cup games in giving the advantage to better placed teams by awarding a one off tie at home it should be 15% crowd available to the away team like the fa cup (with the proviso they can fill it to prevent more empty space than needed preventing home fans from seeing the game).

Quoted from Mappers

Tbf we are doing exactly the same for every big one in giving the minimum we can for the osmond .
I know Meadow Lane has a higher capacity ,but i would be doing the same in their shoes .
Will be interesting to see how many Doncaster give us ,if its the full 4k as they have been getting relatively low crowds this season (4 and 5k ,their av attendance is inflated by a few big away followings )
So that one could be like a home game for us .

We aren't doing the same at all Mappers as we are selling tickets in Block A and B of the Osmond. I understand why they did it, and the way play-off gate receipts were distributed probably helped make that decision too, but just be honest about it.

Quoted from Mappers

FWIW I want Wrexham & Notts to go up (i might be in the minority)
Although it would make the league stronger ,at least you would bring decent numbers.
I am sick of teams bringing 100 to BP when we take big numbers away to them .
And no disrespect but Barnet ,Woking or Eastleigh would probably bring double figures .
Have any of the stattos on here got a list of away attendances at BP this season ?

Our away support shouldn't really be used as a barometer to judge other teams. Our away support is ridiculous, relative to our home gates it's probably one of the best in the 92. 900 to Northampton, 700 to Crewe, 1,100 to Wimbledon, these are just daft numbers realistically.

Quoted from Mappers

FWIW I want Wrexham & Notts to go up (i might be in the minority)
Although it would make the league stronger ,at least you would bring decent numbers.
I am sick of teams bringing 100 to BP when we take big numbers away to them .
And no disrespect but Barnet ,Woking or Eastleigh would probably bring double figures .
Have any of the stattos on here got a list of away attendances at BP this season ?

Nope, I want Wrexham and notts to go up to.
They've done Thier. Stint in this excrement league and going by support levels these two are at least league one outfits.
Would love to see Crawley and Stevenage drop down, as these clubs are a joke in terms of support as too are the likes of forest green.

Me too, the EFL is better with them in it and to be fair Chesterfield too. This season Wrexham and Notts have both done enough for promotion in a fair system. Promotion well deserved on merit, good clubs with excellent fan bases.

Quoted from Zmariner

Me too, the EFL is better with them in it and to be fair Chesterfield too. This season Wrexham and Notts have both done enough for promotion in a fair system. Promotion well deserved on merit, good clubs with excellent fan bases.

It would be grossly unfair if Notts C didn't go up as well. They could both break the points record and one not go up. But, those playoffs are a lottery, they are one off games that are usually marginal and could go either way.

Quoted from Mariner_09

It would be grossly unfair if Notts C didn't go up as well. They could both break the points record and one not go up. But, those playoffs are a lottery, they are one off games that are usually marginal and could go either way.

I think they both will break the record. Jamie Vardy-powered Fleetwood hold it with 103 points, and County who are slightly off the pace at present are tracking to an unbelievable 107 points.

It’s pretty insane to think you could get anything like that points total and not top the division, any division. Whoever doesn’t make it, and it looks like it will be Notts, will need to channel some incredible mental strength to prevail in the play-offs after that.

Quoted from Mariner_09

It would be grossly unfair if Notts C didn't go up as well. They could both break the points record and one not go up. But, those playoffs are a lottery, they are one off games that are usually marginal and could go either way.

It wouldn't be unfair at all! They knew the rules of the competition at the start of the season. Automatic promotion goes to the team who got most points, whether it's 100+ or not.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

We aren't doing the same at all Mappers as we are selling tickets in Block A and B of the Osmond. I understand why they did it, and the way play-off gate receipts were distributed probably helped make that decision too, but just be honest about it.

Sorry i suppose its different isnt it with us only having 8400 seats (over demand for them )and Notts having a lot higher capacity .

Yeah I understand why totally ,obviously promotion would be a lot more beneficial financially than appeasing a few K town fans .

On another note will be interesting what our crowd is tomorrow as it looks quite close to sold out again in the home ends ,interested to see how many ST holders wont be there this time out .

Quoted from Chalky

Can we all agree that it wasn't my fault personally then?

If it was up to me I would have put you all up at my gaff for the night and gone for a pint after the game with you 🍻

Yeah, I can agree to that. Nothing against you personally and I've never had a problem with Notts County until that decision was made, which denied me and hundreds of others from seeing one of the best moments in our recent history.

Quoted from Chalky

Don't expect the result to be a foregone conclusion Blron,Notts have a nasty habit of losing "easy" games,it's in our DNA,great support from your fans if you sell out your allocation and looking forward to a noisy atmosphere on the day

Didn’t realise you was a County fan, ironic that both of us find ourselves on our arch rivals forum haha. thank you for the message and fair play to you lot as well, turning out in your droves. Just hope we get a goal and give you a game. I will have a good day regardless, get to Nottingham for half 10. Always enjoyed my time in Nottingham.

UTI

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Some. Great pubs in notts,. Vat and fiddle, trip to Jerusalem and canal house to name a few.

Trip to Jerusalem is a cracking little pub, was there with my missus last year. Can’t see a lot of the lads wanting to go there though but will do my best.

UTI

Quoted from RonMariner

You are only 4 points behind Dorking, so they are certainly catchable, especially if you have still to play them. Looks like the teams below you are dead meat, so what you have to do is finish them and either either Gateshead or Yeovil, neither of whom are tearing up trees at the moment. If you can tonk a team in 8th place, you certainly have a chance.

Looks to me like 46 points will see you safe, so that's 13 points from 8 games. Four wins and a draw. Given your fixtures that is not impossible. I wish you good luck. it's not your fans fault that you are where you are, and if our previous owner was still in charge with his Nigerian con man buddy in tow who knows where we would be right now.

I have to say RonMariner, you have been the most welcoming to me on this group and I appreciate your kind words in wishing us good luck.

UTI

Quoted from Mappers

I see their new primary funder is arguing with the Iron bru podcast boys again over their new ticket scheme ..... 'there really is no chance of pleasing some of you lot ,honestly ,talk about constantly fighting fires ,its exhausting !'- David Hilton 23/3/23

Ohh ohh

Iron Bru is an absolute weapon, one of the most negative fans we have. Still upset that his mate ‘Swanny’ isn’t owning us anymore. Hilton has saved our club and given us a glimmer of hope in staying up, got to get behind him instead of beating him down.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Didn’t realise you was a County fan, ironic that both of us find ourselves on our arch rivals forum haha. thank you for the message and fair play to you lot as well, turning out in your droves. Just hope we get a goal and give you a game. I will have a good day regardless, get to Nottingham for half 10. Always enjoyed my time in Nottingham.

UTI

Hopefully there will be goals from both sides to make it a cracking game to watch,it's been a nerve racking season for both clubs for very different reasons but as a season starts to head towards the final games the clubs at the bottom are to be feared far more than those in the playoffs,enjoy the day Blron

Quoted from BIron

Iron Bru is an absolute weapon, one of the most negative fans we have. Still upset that his mate ‘Swanny’ isn’t owning us anymore. Hilton has saved our club and given us a glimmer of hope in staying up, got to get behind him instead of beating him down.

UTI

Wasnt they the ones calling Swann out every time they fot him on their podcast ?

Hope Hilton isnt a busted flush ,its just there are a lot of questions that are still unanswered -
This weird stadium scheme and his low amount of capital are two of the main ones surely ?
I still think deep down it might be a case of Swann handing him the keys with the memo of 'do your worst '
Genuinely hope I am wrong and will be watching on with interest.

Quoted from BIron

I have to say RonMariner, you have been the most welcoming to me on this group and I appreciate your kind words in wishing us good luck.

UTI

Well I remember how how sickening it was when we were at a low ebb and some muppets from Lincoln and Scunthorpe came on here rubbing salt in the wound. At first I was angry, and occasionally lashed out at them. But then I realised that they must be pretty sad individuals if they get their kicks by gloating over people who are hurting because the club they love, the club that is a big part of their life, is in trouble. Friendly rivalry and banter is one thing. But some take it way too far.

That said, I do love it when we beat you. And though I hope you eventually get back into the EFL, just don't go finishing above us. It's annoying!

Regardless of what happens, the guy who has ‘saved’ scunny seems to be a flipping moron. May be not quite as bad as Swann but still a massive male private. I can’t see their troubles being over…

Quoted from RonMariner

Odd how those who claim to have no interest at all in Scunthorpe nevertheless take the trouble to read the thread called 'Scunthorpe'. ;)

Indeed ..But I miss the fixtures list coming out when we used to play them and you do miss the Scunny Vs Grimsby derby.
This is an emotive subject which you can tell by the amount of responses, plus we wanna get out own house in order.

Full Time....Notts County 4-0 Scunny.

Games running out, the pressure is mounting.

Dorking and Gateshead have won as well.

Lose at York and they're doomed 😂😂

County’s Macauley Langstaff has got 39 league goals in 39 appearances this season. For context Jamie Vardy scored 34 with Fleetwood in the 11/12 season. Someone will be spending serious cash on him this summer.

Quoted from cannylad65

It won't be us.

Notts County owe around £14 million I believe. If they go up, and they certainly deserve to (They'll get over 100 points) then bids from clubs higher than League two will come in. Straight to the championship I'd say with a seven figure price tag. Well out of our reach I'm afraid.

Quoted from Poojah

County’s Macauley Langstaff has got 39 league goals in 39 appearances this season. For context Jamie Vardy scored 34 with Fleetwood in the 11/12 season. Someone will be spending serious cash on him this summer.

Wrexham probably.

Quoted from Poojah

County’s Macauley Langstaff has got 39 league goals in 39 appearances this season. For context Jamie Vardy scored 34 with Fleetwood in the 11/12 season. Someone will be spending serious cash on him this summer.

39 goals and he's not even our penalty taker

Quoted from Chalky

39 goals and he's not even our penalty taker

I wonder if he has a buy out fee ?
You should be getting some big coin in the summer

Quoted from Chalky

39 goals and he's not even our penalty taker

Is this his first season playing at National League level, too? From what I can tell he's only played NLN and below up until this year, making his record this season all the more impressive.

This is the highest that Langstaff has played professional football,we got him from Gateshead and paid £50,000 for him and I'm presuming that the Reedz brothers who own Notts (and Football Radar) haven't put something in his contract that prevents him leaving without a buy out fee or whatever,whether we go up or not he won't be with us next season as there's a lot of interest in him from clubs further up the league's
Wrexham are going up as champions and I fear the playoffs

Quoted from Chalky

This is the highest that Langstaff has played professional football,we got him from Gateshead and paid £50,000 for him and I'm presuming that the Reedz brothers who own Notts (and Football Radar) haven't put something in his contract that prevents him leaving without a buy out fee or whatever,whether we go up or not he won't be with us next season as there's a lot of interest in him from clubs further up the league's
Wrexham are going up as champions and I fear the playoffs

Your only fear would be playing Chesterfield in the final which I think you would win easily.

Quoted from Spurn boy

Your only fear would be playing Chesterfield in the final which I think you would win easily.

Notts or Wrexham were supposed to go up last season it doesn’t always work out like that as we know though 😎

Quoted from Chalky

This is the highest that Langstaff has played professional football,we got him from Gateshead and paid £50,000 for him and I'm presuming that the Reedz brothers who own Notts (and Football Radar) haven't put something in his contract that prevents him leaving without a buy out fee or whatever,whether we go up or not he won't be with us next season as there's a lot of interest in him from clubs further up the league's
Wrexham are going up as champions and I fear the playoffs

You should be afraid of the playoffs. Look what happened to that unfancied team you played last year in the playoffs.

Quoted from DB

You should be afraid of the playoffs. Look what happened to that unfancied team you played last year in the playoffs.

Yes, providing you don’t deny your opponents a proper ticket allocation, which acts as a huge motivator, you should be ok in the semi.😏

Gateshead, Torquay and Dorking all winning .

They are really up against it now.

Jelly and ice cream time nearly

They are gone , and i cant help but feel a bit smug about it .

Quoted from RonMariner

They are really up against it now.

Now?

They've been doomed all season.

Quoted from RonMariner

They are really up against it now.

Disastrous night for them without losing. Dorking almost out of sight so winning their game v them unlikely to be a get out of jail, Gateshead hitting form and have 3 games in hand. Can't see them overhauling 3 teams.

Great effort from Dorking. Scunny down now and looking like aYork and Lenny will be joining them

Had the pleasure of attending York v Scunny tonight - Scunny better in the first half and York the second. And by better I mean less shit, a truly shocking game. Scunny's number 2 looked decent but their 49 was a striker even the Holloway of summer 2020 would've rejected ;D

Really pleased to see Scunthorpe on their way down.
I hope they go down again next season too.

A couple of weeks ago when they thrashed Wealdstone 4-1 and closed the the gap to safety to 4 points I though they had a real chance. But both Dorking and Gateshead have chalked up significant wins since then and the gap is now eight points plus a colossal goal difference disadvantage, so essentially 9 points. And that's against a team with three games in hand who have taken 8 points from their last four games.

They would have to win five of their last seven games to reach 46 points, but even that might not be enough. So it looks to me as if it is almost all over.

Incredible to think that they were in the L1 playoffs in 2017 and 2018. So it's going to be three relegations in five seasons.

Genuine question, would relegation to the NL North mean Scunny going part time?

Quoted from brigg_mariner

Genuine question, would relegation to the NL North mean Scunny going part time?

I think thats something under discussion over there ,Mr Hilton their new custodian mentioned on humberside in his first interview that the off field staff will have to be cut dramatically as their current staff levels are league 1 standards .......

Expensive ticket scheme
NLN manager (with a side job allegedly)
An owner with low capital ,who likes building things

Part time players (potentially)
Big crowds by NLN standards

Potential ££££

Maybe I am just cynical

Quoted from Mappers

I think thats something under discussion over there ,Mr Hilton their new custodian mentioned on humberside in his first interview that the off field staff will have to be cut dramatically as their current staff levels are league 1 standards .......

Expensive ticket scheme
NLN manager (with a side job allegedly)
An owner with low capital ,who likes building things

Part time players (potentially)
Big crowds by NLN standards

Potential ££££

Maybe I am just cynical

Not cynical, just a realist.

They play Torquay on Saturday. It's a must win game for them, but very winnable. If they do, and other results go their way, they might be just 5 points from safety. Problem is that they travel to Gateshead on Good Friday and I don't fancy their chances there. Realistically they need to win both of those games to still be in with a shout.

Only two promotion spots from NLN too. Gonna get a whole lot worse for them before it gets better. I can see both the manager and the owner massively seeing their ownarses if they go down.

They’re already down in my eyes. No way of staying up. And the league below isn’t a cakewalk either.

Quoted from RonMariner

They play Torquay on Saturday. It's a must win game for them, but very winnable. If they do, and other results go their way, they might be just 5 points from safety. Problem is that they travel to Gateshead on Good Friday and I don't fancy their chances there. Realistically they need to win both of those games to still be in with a shout.

They have gone Ron

Dorking away last game of the season, what a way to bow out.

The Fat lady has sung her song , got paid and copulated off home

Quoted from It Bites

The Fat lady has sung her song , got paid and copulated off home

I'm not quite sure she's sung but she's limbering up, the crowd has all gathered knowing full well her entrance is imminent.

Quoted from It Bites

The Fat lady has sung her song , got paid and copulated off home

Not the first time the topic of wages being paid has cropped up on this thread tbf…

I've just seen a morbidly obese lady at the petrol station on the A180 doing some voice exercises as she filled the tank....

Like its been said by a few posters on here we feel sorry for the real fans seeing thier club in such a mess

Its the ones who came on here to take the urine we are gloating at. ;D

If anyone needs context as to just how bad this Scunthorpe team is, wrap your head around this. Our 2010/11 team which featured such lesser lights as Tom Corner, Serge Makofo, Danny Carlton, Steven Watt, Lee Ridley, Dwayne Samuels, and a long since-retired, one-armed Steve Croudson in goal, finished 11th in the National League.

That team was tough, tough watch that season, made just about bearable by the odd moment of Alan Connell magic. It’s hard to imagine just how poor this current Scunny team must be to be second bottom at this stage of the season and not feel a tinge of sympathy for their fans.

Quoted from Poojah

If anyone needs context as to just how bad this Scunthorpe team is, wrap your head around this. Our 2010/11 team which featured such lesser lights as Tom Corner, Serge Makofo, Danny Carlton, Steven Watt, Lee Ridley, Dwayne Samuels, and a long since-retired, one-armed Steve Croudson in goal, finished 11th in the National League.

That team was tough, tough watch that season, made just about bearable by the odd moment of Alan Connell magic. It’s hard to imagine just how poor this current Scunny team must be to be second bottom at this stage of the season and not feel a tinge of sympathy for their fans.

I'm friendly with a die hard Torquay fan who is intelligent and sensible and she is scathing about their team's ability - she actually says the effort and desire are there but the players just aren't good enough and you see it every game as clear as day. They are on the same points as Scunny, a game in hand over them and 5 goals better off.

She's been saying Torquay are gone for about 4 months now.

Massive game for them on Saturday at home to fellow strugglers Torquay. The loser of that one is almost defintely down, if both aren't already!

Quoted from Poojah

If anyone needs context as to just how bad this Scunthorpe team is, wrap your head around this. Our 2010/11 team which featured such lesser lights as Tom Corner, Serge Makofo, Danny Carlton, Steven Watt, Lee Ridley, Dwayne Samuels, and a long since-retired, one-armed Steve Croudson in goal, finished 11th in the National League.

That team was tough, tough watch that season, made just about bearable by the odd moment of Alan Connell magic. It’s hard to imagine just how poor this current Scunny team must be to be second bottom at this stage of the season and not feel a tinge of sympathy for their fans.

Totally agree. We all know how hard it is to get promoted out of that league, but to get *relegated* out of that league (and to probably finish below Dorking flipping Wanderers) you have to be a special grade of awful.

Quoted from brigg_mariner

Dorking away last game of the season, what a way to bow out.

Dorking will look like Real Madrid compared to some of the places they will visit in NLN.

Quoted from Poojah

If anyone needs context as to just how bad this Scunthorpe team is, wrap your head around this. Our 2010/11 team which featured such lesser lights as Tom Corner, Serge Makofo, Danny Carlton, Steven Watt, Lee Ridley, Dwayne Samuels, and a long since-retired, one-armed Steve Croudson in goal, finished 11th in the National League.

That team was tough, tough watch that season, made just about bearable by the odd moment of Alan Connell magic. It’s hard to imagine just how poor this current Scunny team must be to be second bottom at this stage of the season and not feel a tinge of sympathy for their fans.

For more context; of the last 132 games played by Scunny over three seasons, they have won just 25, and 13 of those wins were in the season we went down and they stayed up, so they have managed just 12 wins since then, in almost 2 seasons.

Last season, they managed just 4 wins and had a goal difference of -61.

They aren't just tumbling, they are plummeting.

Quoted from RonMariner

Dorking will look like Real Madrid compared to some of the places they will visit in NLN.

I played at the lower end of the pyramid and my greatest fear when we were in the bottom half of the NL was that we would be playing at places I had played at! That felt truly depressing.

If Langstaff scores on 7th April he will become the National League's highest ever scorer in a league,he currently has 40 goals and no doubt will add a couple of quid to his price

Quoted from Chalky

If Langstaff scores on 7th April he will become the National League's highest ever scorer in a league,he currently has 40 goals and no doubt will add a couple of quid to his price

And?

Does that have any bearing on the demise of Scunny?

I'm glad they didn't go bust but I'm delighted they may be relegated. I have zero sympathy for their fans, none of whom ever showed any sympathy to us. intercourse 'em.

Quoted from Chalky

If Langstaff scores on 7th April he will become the National League's highest ever scorer in a league,he currently has 40 goals and no doubt will add a couple of quid to his price

And you still might not go up.

Hope you do, but no guarantees for second spot, if indeed you do finish second, which is looking likely, unless Wrexham c0ck it up.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

And?

Does that have any bearing on the demise of Scunny?

I'm glad they didn't go bust but I'm delighted they may be relegated. I have zero sympathy for their fans, none of whom ever showed any sympathy to us. intercourse 'em.

Bit of a bad day today for you I'm presuming?

The best thing about Scunny hopefully going down is that if you’re below National League level, you don’t get a mention on Soccer Saturday or the BBC1 results show. You literally get forgotten about…..

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I've just seen a morbidly obese lady at the petrol station on the A180 doing some voice exercises as she filled the tank....

I told my mum to use the Esso garage just off the a180. Ffs.

Quoted from Chalky

Bit of a bad day today for you I'm presuming?

Just can't understand why you would use a thread about Scunthorpe on a Grimsby Town forum to mention that you have a striker who has broken a scoring record no matter how good that achievement is.

And as it happens every day is a bad day, so yeah.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

Just can't understand why you would use a thread about Scunthorpe on a Grimsby Town forum to mention that you have a striker who has broken a scoring record no matter how good that achievement is.

And as it happens every day is a bad day, so yeah.

It was mentioned a few pages back by another poster to be fair

Quoted from Mariner_09

If they lose that, then I don't see any hope of survival. Sort of game you have to win when you're down the bottom.

Quoted from Chalky

If Langstaff scores on 7th April he will become the National League's highest ever scorer in a league,he currently has 40 goals and no doubt will add a couple of quid to his price

And doesn’t even take penalties…as mentioned about 1,000 times by Notts fans on OFF. Perhaps Wrexham v Notts on Easter Monday should be 2 a-side. Mullins v Langstaff plus keepers. Alternatively they could just get their c0cks out…

Quoted from ginnywings

For more context; of the last 132 games played by Scunny over three seasons, they have won just 25, and 13 of those wins were in the season we went down and they stayed up, so they have managed just 12 wins since then, in almost 2 seasons.

Last season, they managed just 4 wins and had a goal difference of -61.

They aren't just tumbling, they are plummeting.

Similar to our one in five home win ratio this season then

Good job that away wins count then.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

And doesn’t even take penalties…as mentioned about 1,000 times by Notts fans on OFF. Perhaps Wrexham v Notts on Easter Monday should be 2 a-side. Mullins v Langstaff plus keepers. Alternatively they could just get their c0cks out…

What's OFF?

Would the keepers have to get their c0cks out as well,what about the refs and linos? Probably best to play the traditional game tbh

Quoted from HerveJosse

Similar to our one in five home win ratio this season then

Yeah, exactly the same.

What was I thinking?

Quoted from Chalky

What's OFF?

Macauley Langstaff in the summer.

Quoted from Chalky

What's OFF?

Would the keepers have to get their c0cks out as well,what about the refs and linos? Probably best to play the traditional game tbh

One Football Forum. Actually it’s football.forum.net that is the active site for Non-League. When you get promoted OFF is the move active site.

Mr Hilton has now 'come off twitter ' after a number of arguments on twitter with fans .

One key point being raised is that Swann actually still owns the land and possibly the ground ......

Official takeover date was never actually until the end of May

Its unravelling

Quoted from Mappers

Mr Hilton has now 'come off twitter ' after a number of arguments on twitter with fans .

One key point being raised is that Swann actually still owns the land and possibly the ground ......

Official takeover date was never actually until the end of May

Its unravelling

Went to see my dad the other day ( Scunny fan) and he told me Swann still owned the ground and land ?

Talk on Twitter that key backroom staff are leaning in their droves.

Lots of questions getting asked with no forthcoming answers.

Prior to coming off Twitter it appears Hilton (or White as his birth name is) got into arguments with a few Bury fans over his failed attempt to take control there previously.

Ominous...

This thread appears to explain the situation. Although it is based entirely on hearsay it would appear that the doubts expressed about the owner on here had some validity.

Quoted Text

I’m about to say the following, which I cannot prove, nor am I stating it as fact; I just need to put that disclaimer out there. It’s what I’ve been told by more than just a small handful, and seems to add-up…

Apparently the agreement between DH and PS is that the stadium and land will be bought for £3.5m. There is apparently a deadline for DH to raise the funds; some time in May. DH has apparently asked PS for an extension on that date which has been refused…

The 1899scheme is the money-raiser.
1899 x £1899 = little over £3.6m.
DH would use this to buy the stadium and land. The stadium would go to the fans, the land would go to DH who allegedly plans to build industrial units on it…

If all is true then the fans would be funding construction on the land which they’ve shown they’re against; construction that would benefit DH and not the club.
If the deadline passes, the assets will be offered to anyone…

We could end up paying rent to play at GP, or be thrown out and GP demolished if it’s sold to a developer.

All hearsay of course; but a reoccurring story from many different people.

Tweet 1641338259207749633 will appear here...

They’re not going to exist in a years time are they?

Quoted from mariner91

They’re not going to exist in a years time are they?

Looks like theyve got out of the frying pan and into the fire.

iI may be hersay but it certainly sounds like a credible explanation of recent events, particularly the 1899 x 1899 business. I thought it was an odd thing to start with, because diverting that many season ticket sales into a ground purchase would devastate the playing budget for the following season.

Getting relegated to the NLN is bad enough, but there could be worse to come.

It’s gonna get worse for them. A drug dealer for a manager and an idiot taking over from an idiot.

There’s a whole raft of rumours and stories doing the rounds among Scunny fans. A really good friend is a scunt and he’s been critical of Hilton on Twitter, called him out regarding stuff that’s been said/promised and all he’s received back is sarcasm or bolshy non answers.

This alleged take over has divided fans further and is now ful of people saying ‘but he saved the club’…it’s like the Fenty narrative all over again…

Quoted from aldi_01

It’s gonna get worse for them. A drug dealer for a manager and an idiot taking over from an idiot.

There’s a whole raft of rumours and stories doing the rounds among Scunny fans. A really good friend is a scunt and he’s been critical of Hilton on Twitter, called him out regarding stuff that’s been said/promised and all he’s received back is sarcasm or bolshy non answers.

This alleged take over has divided fans further and is now ful of people saying ‘but he saved the club’…it’s like the Fenty narrative all over again…

Some people don’t agree and think the stance of those like me is perverse, but I am loving this. It’s great stuff, from start to finish (“finish” being very close…..very close inddeed).

Just when you thought it couldn't get worse, unbelievable. While I'm happy to see them in NLN (if they last that long) I do feel sorry for the genuine fans. Another Bury, Macclesfield, Darlington.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Some people don’t agree and think the stance of those like me is perverse, but I am loving this. It’s great stuff, from start to finish (“finish” being very close…..very close inddeed).

I suspect most people on here agree and are sharing your saisfaction .

Its going to get messy once that buying deadline is missed (which I think it will )

The club proberly ends up back in the hands of Swann

Then more than likely the club goes

When you see all the comments from the Simpletons/ sheep on the Scunny forum you soon realise how easy it is for the government/ church to control people . Problem, reaction, solution works every time

Quoted from It Bites

When you see all the comments from the Simpletons/ sheep on the Scunny forum you soon realise how easy it is for the government/ church to control people . Problem, reaction, solution works every time

I have found it staggering in the main that there has not been more questions asked of this new custodian from them .

Their hate for Swann has blinded them from the reality of the situation it seems .

Their only hope is to shift nearly 2000 season tickets at £2k nearly ,seems unlikely especially with their upcoming demotion.

Quoted from Mappers

I have found it staggering in the main that there has not been more questions asked of this new custodian from them .

Their hate for Swann has blinded them from the reality of the situation it seems .

Their only hope is to shift nearly 2000 season tickets at £2k nearly ,seems unlikely especially with their upcoming demotion.

Time will tell but the signs were there when he started asking fans for money . Never a good look for a new owner and saviour .

Their owner is still Mr popular currently in some quarters

I know a few Scunthorpe fans and whilst they don't trust Deans and his alleged shady dealings they seem to trust Hilton implicitly, one told me he has saved the club and he will restore the club to its former glory (whatever that is)

Quoted from Davec

Their owner is still Mr popular currently in some quarters

I know a few Scunthorpe fans and whilst they don't trust Deans and his alleged shady dealings they seem to trust Hilton implicitly, one told me he has saved the club and he will restore the club to its former glory (whatever that is)

A bit like Donald Trump saying he would " make America great again".

Quoted from Davec

Their owner is still Mr popular currently in some quarters

I know a few Scunthorpe fans and whilst they don't trust Deans and his alleged shady dealings they seem to trust Hilton implicitly, one told me he has saved the club and he rwill restore the club to its former glory (whatever that is)

Unbelievable Jeff. Their glory years were being unsustainable and “surviving” in the second tier by virtue of players sales and cup runs, the luck obviously ran out sooner rather than later. They then had Swann who basically spent them into near oblivion. I know we punched above our weight during the “glory days” but we were surviving based on a meritocracy and weren’t there by dubious means. The glory days for them are L2, their attendances are barely top half of L2. It’s time they went to regional football and were forgotten about for a while!

Maybe Alex May will step in and save them..............

Quoted from Mariner_09

Unbelievable Jeff. Their glory years were being unsustainable and “surviving” in the second tier by virtue of players sales and cup runs, the luck obviously ran out sooner rather than later. They then had Swann who basically spent them into near oblivion. I know we punched above our weight during the “glory days” but we were surviving based on a meritocracy and weren’t there by dubious means. The glory days for them are L2, their attendances are barely top half of L2. It’s time they went to regional football and were forgotten about for a while!

To be fair, their original glory years (circa 2004 - 2011) were the absolute epitome of sustainability. They developed an unbelievably successful strategy of identifying young, undervalued talent, developing it and selling them on for a massive profit, ad infinitum. Basically what the likes of Brighton and Brentford are doing now, albeit at a lower level of the pyramid.

That was the work of Steve Wharton, whose only (and fatal) mistake was selling the club to Peter Swann in 2013. Put your club allegiance to one side for a moment, and it’s a sad, sad story. Swann, driven by ego and personal greed, took Scunny from literally the pound-for-pound best run club in the country to literally the worst. That’s a special achievement.

Quoted from Poojah

To be fair, their original glory years (circa 2004 - 2011) were the absolute epitome of sustainability. They developed an unbelievably successful strategy of identifying young, undervalued talent, developing it and selling them on for a massive profit, ad infinitum. Basically what the likes of Brighton and Brentford are doing now, albeit at a lower level of the pyramid.

That was the work of Steve Wharton, whose only (and fatal) mistake was selling the club to Peter Swann in 2013. Put your club allegiance to one side for a moment, and it’s a sad, sad story. Swann, driven by ego and personal greed, took Scunny from literally the pound-for-pound best run club in the country to literally the worst. That’s a special achievement.

A sobering thought that almost all football clubs are one bad owner away from being completely copulated. Fan ownership models need to become more common

Quoted from bedders78

A sobering thought that almost all football clubs are one bad owner away from being completely copulated. Fan ownership models need to become more common

We are one of the few clubs in the unique position of already having fan ownership with Jason & Andrew .

I am not totally against the idea of full 'fan ownership' of clubs , but the smaller clubs if just relying on fans to run and fund the club; with the current financial climate ,much like being own bad owner away , clubs would be 1 or 2 bad seasons away from disaster .

Quoted from Poojah

To be fair, their original glory years (circa 2004 - 2011) were the absolute epitome of sustainability. They developed an unbelievably successful strategy of identifying young, undervalued talent, developing it and selling them on for a massive profit, ad infinitum. Basically what the likes of Brighton and Brentford are doing now, albeit at a lower level of the pyramid.

That was the work of Steve Wharton, whose only (and fatal) mistake was selling the club to Peter Swann in 2013. Put your club allegiance to one side for a moment, and it’s a sad, sad story. Swann, driven by ego and personal greed, took Scunny from literally the pound-for-pound best run club in the country to literally the worst. That’s a special achievement.

Sadly for Scunnie, Wharton had to retire from club ownership due to ill-health I do believe. Coincidentally Swan had made a right mess at Gainsborough, failed to progress them up the pyramid and the opportunity arose to obtain an established league club with Scunnie.

Quoted from rancido

Sadly for Scunnie, Wharton had to retire from club ownership due to ill-health I do believe. Coincidentally Swan had made a right mess at Gainsborough, failed to progress them up the pyramid and the opportunity arose to obtain an established league club with Scunnie.

Think he was very close to buying into Lincoln, it was before the South African’s involvement, but they were then non league so he switched his sights to Scunny and Lincoln can consider themselves very lucky he never pursued his interest in them.

Quoted from RonMariner

Maybe Alex May will step in and save them..............

It really would be 'May Day' then ,considering when this cut off line is for the purchase .

Scunny United Fans Group on Facebook. Comedy genius at the moment

Every season I hope that they get relegated, this season is no different. For their support I just hope they have a club to watch next season and beyond too.

Big rumour that the club will effectively shut down next week with all admin stuff being moved to Ilkeston and industrial units being built on the training ground.

They’ve gotten rid of Swann but I’m not sure they’re any better off, intact it feels like it’s gotten worse…

[quote=284]Big rumour that the club will effectively shut down next week with all admin stuff being moved to Ilkeston and industrial units being built on the training ground.

They’ve gotten rid of Swann but I’m not sure they’re any better off, intact it feels like it’s gotten worse…[/quote

That's some wild rumours. Ive heard the training ground might be moved but that's it

Quoted from It Bites

[quote=284]Big rumour that the club will effectively shut down next week with all admin stuff being moved to Ilkeston and industrial units being built on the training ground.

They’ve gotten rid of Swann but I’m not sure they’re any better off, intact it feels like it’s gotten worse…[/quote

That's some wild rumours. Ive heard the training ground might be moved but that's it

Rumours came from a lad who’s a big scunny fan, home and away type and has been pretty bang on so far and a couple of blokes talking about it at work.

Madness really…

Cast your mind back to the first game of the season. After half an hour they were three up against the previous seasons play off finalists Solihull. They must have though 'blimey this league is easy. We are going to walk it.'

But then the football gods said 'Sorry lads, just joking...' and they ended up losing 4-3. That first half an hour must be the high point of their season.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Think he was very close to buying into Lincoln, it was before the South African’s involvement, but they were then non league so he switched his sights to Scunny and Lincoln can consider themselves very lucky he never pursued his interest in them.

Simply untrue.

Lincoln City were only created by the hands of the Cowley brothers in 2016.

Quoted from RonMariner

Cast your mind back to the first game of the season. After half an hour they were three up against the previous seasons play off finalists Solihull. They must have though 'blimey this league is easy. We are going to walk it.'

But then the football gods said 'Sorry lads, just joking...' and they ended up losing 4-3. That first half an hour must be the high point of their season.

That wasn't their first game of the season. First game of the season they beat Yeovil 2-1 at home. That game was about their 4th or 5th match.

Quoted from aldi_01

Big rumour that the club will effectively shut down next week with all admin stuff being moved to Ilkeston and industrial units being built on the training ground.

They’ve gotten rid of Swann but I’m not sure they’re any better off, intact it feels like it’s gotten worse…

This cannot be true, surely? To be fair to you, you’re hardly a WUM, but this rumour goes too far…..

Quoted from Heisenberg

This cannot be true, surely? To be fair to you, you’re hardly a WUM, but this rumour goes too far…..

It sounds mental but my scunny source is usually pretty bang on and the fact ransoms were talking about it at work made me think there’s a tad more to it than I imagined…

Quoted from Les Brechin

That wasn't their first game of the season. First game of the season they beat Yeovil 2-1 at home. That game was about their 4th or 5th match.

Sorry my bad!

Anyway, that first half an hour if that game was probably the high point until the spectacular collapse. I doubt they could have imagined where they would be by now,

Quoted from aldi_01

It sounds mental but my scunny source is usually pretty bang on and the fact ransoms were talking about it at work made me think there’s a tad more to it than I imagined…

Bloody hell! Imagine that. Well, let’s see what happens. And it is indeed mental, no matter what happens…..

Jelly and Ice cream ...

Update
Mr Hilton is off twitter .
Somebody called Partick has interestingly appeared on the Iron Bru forum bigging up everything their custodian did at Ilkeston and offering fans the opportunity to go down there and view the sterling work Hilton has done there .

A few have asked some probing questions ,and this 'Pat ' character has become quite passive agressive (much like Hilton towards anyone questioning him on twitter )

Its either him himself ,or somebody extremely close to him posting on there .

Who needs Corry or Eastenders with this show ?

Has there ever been a shorter honeymoon period for a new manager and owner? Anything less than a win today and I fully expect it all to completely unravel. This whole premise has been based on the assumption they’d stay up. Which tbf looked likely before the new owner started pissing about.

Imagine being such a basket case club that none of your fans post daft April Fools posts in the hope of catching fans off guard because the actual reality itself is so unbelievable.

Quoted from Mappers

Update
Mr Hilton is off twitter .
Somebody called Partick has interestingly appeared on the Iron Bru forum bigging up everything their custodian did at Ilkeston and offering fans the opportunity to go down there and view the sterling work Hilton has done there .

A few have asked some probing questions ,and this 'Pat ' character has become quite passive agressive (much like Hilton towards anyone questioning him on twitter )

Its either him himself ,or somebody extremely close to him posting on there .

Who needs Corry or Eastenders with this show ?

Could Patrick be this guy.

Andrew Patrick Nally
Business partner of David Hilton
Owner and Chairman of Ilkeston Town FC (where David Hilton came from)

Torquay leading at Scunthorpe. This could be the end and relegation becomes a certainty.
:) :) :) :) :) :)

Now losing at home to rivals Torquay. Fat lady on stage.

Scunny are terrible against a poor Torquay side.

Anyone hear a fat lady starting to sing ?

FT.....Scunny 0-1 Torquay

And that’s all she wrote.

Some people are on this board, they think it’s all over.

It is now.

So much for the easy run in.

Burns just offered his thoughts on Humberside 'they are gone ,what level of football are they heading to ?'

Gone

And now its wait and see whether the club goes

A Yeovil win would put the icing on the funeral cake, but Gateshead have four in hand as well as Dorking winning…

They are completely fücked. Fully expect the “takeover” to fall apart now too. Not reached the bottom of the barrel yet by a long way.

Quoted from 140381

A Yeovil win would put the icing on the funeral cake, but Gateshead have four in hand as well as Dorking winning…

They are completely fücked. Fully expect the “takeover” to fall apart now too. Not reached the bottom of the barrel yet by a long way.

David Hilton bought Peter Swans shares of Scunthorpe United FC which is 90% of the share issue but Swann still owns the stadium and training ground and I believe Hilton has until the beginning of May to come up with the 3.5 million to buy this which at this moment is not looking good. ( Allegedly)

Quoted from Spurn boy

David Hilton bought Peter Swans shares of Scunthorpe United FC which is 90% of the share issue but Swann still owns the stadium and training ground and I believe Hilton has until the beginning of May to come up with the 3.5 million to buy this which at this moment is not looking good. ( Allegedly)

He’s effectively trying to get £2K per head off 2000 fans, so he can’t have the capital himself by the sounds of it. Which means they’re knackered.

And they’re certainly relegated, no doubt.

Quoted from Spurn boy

David Hilton bought Peter Swans shares of Scunthorpe United FC which is 90% of the share issue but Swann still owns the stadium and training ground and I believe Hilton has until the beginning of May to come up with the 3.5 million to buy this which at this moment is not looking good. ( Allegedly)

If you're right it's a case of down and out ( of existence ). I can't say I like the idea as I remember Jackie Brownsword, Barrie Thomas Kevin Kegan, Ray Clemance and a certain George Kerr all playing for them, not forgetting Ron Ashman who came to manage Town for a while.

Call it nostalgia if you like but they don't deserve to go to the wall through bad owners.

Quoted from DB

If you're right it's a case of down and out ( of existence ). I can't say I like the idea as I remember Jackie Brownsword, Barrie Thomas Kevin Kegan, Ray Clemance and a certain George Kerr all playing for them, not forgetting Ron Ashman who came to manage Town for a while.

Call it nostalgia if you like but they don't deserve to go to the wall through bad owners.

Yeah, they do!

They were never getting out of the relegation zone.

They have won 24 league games from the last 132 attempts, and 13 of those were in the 20/21 season, which means they have won just 11 games in almost 2 seasons.

Has to be up there with the worst runs over a prolonged period of any team.

They will go part-time next season in the NLN - wouldn’t surprise me if they got relegated again

Something is wrong with the BBC NL table. Missing a game for each team, so it says the Scunts are on 31 points when in fact they are on 34? Says that Wrexham are ion 97 points when in fact they hit 100 today.

Just listened to Jimmy Dean’s interview. Cheered me up no end.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Just listened to Jimmy Dean’s interview. Cheered me up no end.

Anyone got a link, I would love to listen to it?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fdb78l

I actually feel a bit sorry for the bloke . He seems surprised full time professional footballers would do this to the club , fans etc

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Just listened to Jimmy Dean’s interview. Cheered me up no end.

I’ve listened to him on radio hull before he sounds a right bell end whose completely out of his depth , hopefully they extend his contract though :-)

Quoted from It Bites

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fdb78l

I actually feel a bit sorry for the bloke . He seems surprised full time professional footballers would do this to the club , fans etc

Thanks.

Quoted from It Bites

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fdb78l

I actually feel a bit sorry for the bloke . He seems surprised full time professional footballers would do this to the club , fans etc

Yeah I agree with you.
It was funny but also quite sad. He seems genuinely gutted and annoyed.
Must be awful for their fans tbh.
Relegation again, fine, going bust, I hope not.

Off the pitch they’re clearly f*****d on the pitch they’re equally as f*****d. Manager who is from a mid table team from the league they’re going down to, a playing squad that seems to have lost any pride or just isn’t good enough for full time football.

To get themselves out of the NLN they have a massive task in terms of supporter engagement to gain any feel good momentum never mind build a squad to achieve the task.

What's all this Scunny, Ilkeston talk all about?

Just listened to the Jimmy Dean interview. Thought it was very sympathetic but he knows he’s a dead man walking, RH knows he is, and Scunny fans prob know he is.

The new owner deserves some of the vitriol. buys a club with a caretaker manager in place who is doing well with a tight knit squad. Demotes him, brings in someone untested at their level, panic signs loads of players, releases some, loses excrement. An absolute circus.

Quoted from It Bites

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0fdb78l

I actually feel a bit sorry for the bloke . He seems surprised full time professional footballers would do this to the club , fans etc

To the extent that he is so deluded he doesn't realise he's completely out of his depth you mean? I'm not sure that deserves sympathy though. Complaining about the players not caring is a hard sell when the club has brought in a mix of umpteen pub footballers and shunted them in an out of the squad on a random basis. Nelson's team deservedly had won at Halifax, and then drew with Woodman's Shithausen FC who beat us twice last season, Nelson gets dumped and then they sign 12 mostly unheard of players; it was like Holloway's Covid close season on Speed.

I didn't know that Swann still had title to the ground, if that land deal falls through then along with relegation it looks very very bleak. Terrible for their fans and it is our closest derby, be very sad if we lost that rivalry for the forseeable future..

Quoted from RonMariner

Something is wrong with the BBC NL table. Missing a game for each team, so it says the Scunts are on 31 points when in fact they are on 34? Says that Wrexham are ion 97 points when in fact they hit 100 today.

Updated now Ron it does not make a lot of difference the scunts are down.

Shame !!!

Scunts have a lot to look forward to next season. The massive grudge match against Dean's old club , Peterborough Sports, and a Boxing Day derby v Farsley Celtic to salivate over

Quoted from davmariner

I don’t want to see Scunny drop any further and hope they can resolve their ownership issues - we know all too well what that feels like. Always love the local derbies and hope to see them again one day.

A nice miserable season fighting relegation would be lovely though, with them only just surviving!

Me too used to look forward to thay fixture, Oh well
Wait and see .

So they've announced they are moving the day to day operation of Scunthorpe United to Ilkeston and will only be in the town on a match day.

Academy is being shut down. Mass staff redundancies.

wow.

Quoted from bax

So they've announced they are moving the day to day operation of Scunthorpe United to Ilkeston and will only be in the town on a match day.

Academy is being shut down. Mass staff redundancies.

wow.

The begining of the end .

and still some Scunny fans lapping it up . Unbelievable Jeff

Sit down on a Sunday morning at the table
with a pot of tea, to read this thread if
You mention a team beginning  with S
not far from Grimsby.
You light a fuse ..Crikey how long will
this go on for 🤔😎😎..the new years eve fireworks in London
go on for less.
In 1996 to 1998 i was working away in a certain part of the UK
where there was/is a conflict of opinion I came in regular contact
with a "Scunny fan who took great pleasure in ridiculing  me as a
"Town" fan come next year at an annual comrades reunion I
Will look across to him with great satisfaction smile nod and wink.
Basically  screw you how the mighty have fallen.
UTM

I can definitely see the advantages of moving the training facilities to Ilkeston and using the all weather pitch for training and then bus all the players to Scunthorpe on match days or wherever they are playing,but to move the day to day operations there seems like the beginning of the end.

If you want a a listen of something with your cup of tea ,The full 46 minute interview with Hilton is up on there site .

The future is bleak for them
He sounds defeated already

MK Dons MKII.

Now known as Ilkeston Iron FC.

Feckin hell - basically the Scunts now exist only on matchdays and the rest of the time it's Scunthorpe United in name only.
Wonder if they've got any decent youngsters, now their academy is closing down?
He sounds a beaten man already.
Don't think I'd trust him no further than I could kick him

So, Hilton fails to come up with the cash, Swann ends up with the ground, and SUFC are homeless. Is that where this sorry saga goes next?

Quoted from RonMariner

So, Hilton fails to come up with the cash, Swann ends up with the ground, and SUFC are homeless. Is that where this sorry saga goes next?

Yes.

As my source said, this will seemingly do no favours for the club.

He called the move but they’ve essentially thrown in the towel too. I wanna see them go down but I don’t wanna see them go bust.

The sad thing is if you are a Scunthorpe utd fan is you had 2 local lads ,who are fans who wanted to takeover the club (much like Jason & Andrew) but for whatever reason it didnt happen .

They didnt want anything out of it apart from the good of the club .

Now at best what you are left with is a half truths ,divisive situation were everything is in jeopardy

In reality the future looks much worse

Ron they are gone from the national league

And realistically i think the club goes within the next year or two

Get the 2 local lads to start a phoenix club once the inevitable happens. They could apply to the NL for a place next season already given their financial woes and stricter NL rules.

If scunthorpe are moving their operations to ilkinston where does that leave the local team who’s facilities they are taking over

Paul Hurst started out in management at Ilkeston, and managed Scunny too.

Funny old game.

I've not heard the statement but what I understand from what I've read is that Scunny will be run from Ilkeston and only play home games in Scunny, in a stadium which it seems is still owned by their previous owner. My question would be how long before Hilton says that in a bid to cut costs even further they will play their home games away from Scunny as it's cheaper Oh and we're going to change the name, and Ilkeston are going to take our place in the NLN.

This Hilton guy didn't save their club. He's just delayed their death so he could execute them himself. So far he has bought the club and paid off HMRC, he hasn't bought the ground, the training ground or the land surrounding the ground. Instead he has come up with this nonsensical scheme whereby 1899 Scunny fans would pay £1899 each .The money raised would buy the ground and the land BUT allegedly the 1899 fans would only own the stadium, what happens to the land is anyone's guess. Hilton has also said in the past that the club would remain full time even if they went down BUT that seems to have changed also. So he's paid the bare minimum to basically franchise the club probably merging sorry being swallowed up by Ilkeston Town.

Are they any better off now than they were with Swann?

Of course the above is all conjecture on my part

This is sad for the real supporters and going a lot further down than most thought .

Quoted from ginnywings

Paul Hurst started out in management at Ilkeston, and managed Scunny too.

Funny old game.

Indeed But at this moment in time "A Bloody Yorkie I can trust / put faith for Town!"
UTM

as scumthorpe lost a 6 pointer yesterday, i would like to hear your guys’ opinions. who will reach the NL quicker from next year. scunny, clee town or grimsby borough?

I’m really not sure they can survive this. Sounds like a proper hatchet job to me.

Be incredible if Ilkeston took scunny’s place in NLN next season. Having said that, I literally have zero clue as to whether they’re already there or not!

Maybe a merger is imminent, a la Rushden & Diamonds? Ilkethorpe Unitown…..

Crikey listening to that interview fear even more them.

Mr Hilton has 'a new idea ' sign 25 released academy kids and then loan them all out to gain experience ,sounds absolutely bonkers .

All operations moved out of Scunthorpe apart from games

Academy goes and wont be coming back 'its pointless'

Most staff will be made redundant

Crikey Mr Hilton in the words of our former primary funder must have many hats

Quoted from Heisenberg

I’m really not sure they can survive this. Sounds like a proper hatchet job to me.

Be incredible if Ilkeston took scunny’s place in NLN next season. Having said that, I literally have zero clue as to whether they’re already there or not!

Maybe a merger is imminent, a la Rushden & Diamonds? Ilkethorpe Unitown…..

Ilkiston Iron I reckon

Well I've heard the interview now and some of my questions were answered but I still can't help thinking of John Fenty when I listen to him.

Oh and there is no way they are coming straight back up from NLN even if the club is running exactly as he says it will be.

Quoted from The Caterham Mariner

Sit down on a Sunday morning at the table
with a pot of tea, to read this thread if
You mention a team beginning  with S
not far from Grimsby.
You light a fuse ..Crikey how long will
this go on for 🤔😎😎..the new years eve fireworks in London
go on for less.
In 1996 to 1998 i was working away in a certain part of the UK
where there was/is a conflict of opinion I came in regular contact
with a "Scunny fan who took great pleasure in ridiculing  me as a
"Town" fan come next year at an annual comrades reunion I
Will look across to him with great satisfaction smile nod and wink.
Basically  screw you how the mighty have fallen.
UTM

To be fair I worked with people from Scunthorpe around the same time (mid to late 90s ) and none of them ever admitted being a Scunny fan , all Leeds etc .

A few popped up over the last 15 years or so while they had their brief time in league above us .
I always told them that we would always be a bigger more successful club than them and to enjoy it while it lasts .

I can’t see them ever being above us now in the rest of our lifetimes , they just don’t have the support in and around their own town to pull it back

Oh my, this latest revelation/ development is seriously worrying. As much as I dislike them I can't help feeling a bit of remorse with this now.

😁😆😅🤣...no couldn't quite keep a straight face there, almost.

No doubt Hurst will cherry pick Scunny's academy when it closes.

Don't post much but just so I'm clear the are literally moving all of the club Ilkeston and the scunny fans are just rolling over and letting that happen?

I get it makes sense in some aspects if they need to cut costs and I get the impression it's a short term thing but doesn't sound like the communication is very good apart from one rambling interview this morning?

Thing is I don't actually care but it's kind of like watching love island with the misses you say it's excrement but you end up invested in the drama

Quoted from scott

Don't post much but just so I'm clear the are literally moving all of the club Ilkeston and the scunny fans are just rolling over and letting that happen?

I get it makes sense in some aspects if they need to cut costs and I get the impression it's a short term thing but doesn't sound like the communication is very good apart from one rambling interview this morning?

Thing is I don't actually care but it's kind of like watching love island with the misses you say it's excrement but you end up invested in the drama

I could easily get invested in anything that involves Maya Jama…..

After yesterday’s game at Bradford I was feeling a bit down this morning after watching the game and having a few too many red wines last night , but after reading and listening to all of their problems us losing yesterday seems a distant memory and makes you realise how fortunate we are to have the owners we have. I do feel a bit of sympathy for the genuine Scunny fans and I know a few of them but to the tossers that gave us so much abuse when we got relegated Karma UTM

Quoted from Spurn boy

After yesterday’s game at Bradford I was feeling a bit down this morning after watching the game and having a few too many red wines last night , but after reading and listening to all of their problems us losing yesterday seems a distant memory and makes you realise how fortunate we are to have the owners we have. I do feel a bit of sympathy for the genuine Scunny fans and I know a few of them but to the tossers that gave us so much abuse when we got relegated Karma UTM

To a man, woman and child, they are ALL tossers, from my experiences.

I just listened to most of the interview (how sad is that?) and he sounded really down, particularly about the abuse he's had. Have to say it was scripted and he sounded like he was reading from notes for pre-prepared questions which were then all edited together. That raises questions in itself.
My take is that he categorically stated that the money to buy the land/ground is there, but it's in the hands of the legal boys. I guess the training ground at GP is going to be developed and they wont be going back in the near future. I thought he left/sold Ilkeston so I'm confused about how they're going to be sharing facilities? Aren't there rules about only owning one club.
If he's telling the truth and I think he is, the playing budget was 30% of the total expenditure. That's amazing in modern football. He sounded committed to Jimmy boy which a lot of their fans will be underwhelmed by, but to be fair PH didn't save us when Holloway left and he had more time. Overall it's a massive mess and I do feel for the ordinary fans. Goodness knows what the future holds

Quoted from buckstown

I just listened to most of the interview (how sad is that?) and he sounded really down, particularly about the abuse he's had. Have to say it was scripted and he sounded like he was reading from notes for pre-prepared questions which were then all edited together. That raises questions in itself.
My take is that he categorically stated that the money to buy the land/ground is there, but it's in the hands of the legal boys. I guess the training ground at GP is going to be developed and they wont be going back in the near future. I thought he left/sold Ilkeston so I'm confused about how they're going to be sharing facilities? Aren't there rules about only owning one club.
If he's telling the truth and I think he is, the playing budget was 30% of the total expenditure. That's amazing in modern football. He sounded committed to Jimmy boy which a lot of their fans will be underwhelmed by, but to be fair PH didn't save us when Holloway left and he had more time. Overall it's a massive mess and I do feel for the ordinary fans. Goodness knows what the future holds

Did you hear that bit about 15-25 players being recruited from academys higher up and then loaning them out to clubs even lower down to make them more valuable for 'sell on fees '?

I didnt get what he meant ,it sounded like football manager or something

Another concerning point is that at the end he says the accounts have not even been looked at by his own accountant ,but all dealt with by Peter Swanns accountants so far .

Crikey

They should bring back dream team based on this lot

Tossers the lot of them. U.T.M.

Quoted from Mappers

Did you hear that bit about 15-25 players being recruited from academys higher up and then loaning them out to clubs even lower down to make them more valuable for 'sell on fees '?

I didnt get what he meant ,it sounded like football manager or something

I think what he was referring to was that of all the players that had been transferred out of SUFC in the last 10 years none had a sell on clause and was amazed that had happened.

Quoted from Spurn boy

I think what he was referring to was that of all the players that had been transferred out of SUFC in the last 10 years none had a sell on clause and was amazed that had happened.

Good for us then with Mcatee

Quoted from aldi_01

Big rumour that the club will effectively shut down next week with all admin stuff being moved to Ilkeston and industrial units being built on the training ground.

They’ve gotten rid of Swann but I’m not sure they’re any better off, intact it feels like it’s gotten worse…

True story...

Quoted from ancientmariner54

Tossers the lot of them. U.T.M.

… and this should’ve ended the 148 page thread!

Having listened to that interview it's hard to tell really, can't see what the motivation would be to buy the club in the state its in. Clearly its not to make money, its all a bit bizzare to say the least. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it pans out like everyone else.

Quoted from thefish

… and this should’ve ended the 148 page thread!

It cant end mate

We dont have anything to moan about with us

So we need to gloat and oversee the chaos of our neighbours from our gantry of comfort and superiority.

Getting worse. Training moved to Ilkeston (better facilities) & academy scrapped.

Quoted from promotion plaice

No doubt Hurst will cherry pick Scunny's academy when it closes.

Already happening apparently

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Getting worse. Training moved to Ilkeston (better facilities) & academy scrapped.

Just playing devils advocate on the training ground move for a second. Ilkeston is roughly an hour from Scunthorpe, but also only 20 minutes from Nottingham, 50 mins from Sheffield, an hour from Birmingham, and just over an hour from Manchester. The notion of moving our training ground further down the M180 in order to make us more accessible from major urban centres has been mooted multiple times on here, and whilst it's clearly not an idea supported by our current owners, I certainly don't think it's the worst in the world.

A lot going on (and now seemingly away from Scunny) at the minute, but I would suggest that training at Ilkeston is the least of their worries.

Quoted from Poojah

Just playing devils advocate on the training ground move for a second. Ilkeston is roughly an hour from Scunthorpe, but also only 20 minutes from Nottingham, 50 mins from Sheffield, an hour from Birmingham, and just over an hour from Manchester. The notion of moving our training ground further down the M180 in order to make us more accessible from major urban centres has been mooted multiple times on here, and whilst it's clearly not an idea supported by our current owners, I certainly don't think it's the worst in the world.

A lot going on (and now seemingly away from Scunny) at the minute, but I would suggest that training at Ilkeston is the least of their worries.

We should move to the old Scunny one

Quoted from jimgtfc

Already happening apparently

We picked that lad up whos scored 200 in 60 games
Maybe he knew what was hapenning ?
Grayson Giles

Interestingly his last game for them was in November when he scored a treble against our academy side , he left them in January and now has signed a 2 year scholarship with us .

Wonder if Gallys son is on our radar ,decent prospect by all accounts .

Quoted from bedders78

We should move to the old Scunny one

And turn it into a fishmeal tip 🤣

Just listened to the interview, I think he comes across okay albeit probably rightly quite downbeat about the situation at Scunthorpe. If I was a Scunthorpe fan, I would be hugely worried that this guy with no links to the town/club (he weirdly mentions this multiple times within the first 10 mins of the interview) spend 400k alone satisfying the tax man, and probably end up sinking millions into a club which is fading into oblivion. Why?

Listened to vast majority of it now....
Ironic that the first advert on the link "we are experts in small business " 😀

He states at one point that trolls are just a small percentage and that 99.9% of the support are behind him...then in the very next breath says that he knows there is a good percentage of people who have doubts !!

His academy reject plan....so he wants to take Cat 1 academy players in, 20 yr old ish players, ( pretty much all Premier or Championship acadamies) around 15-20 of them then loan them out to other teams who will give them first team football and pay their wages whilst Scunny monitor them...🤔.... so if a team fancies one of these players that have been rejected why wouldn't they just pick that player up directly ? Likelihood is that there will be at least 3 divisions above Scunny in the same market who would be a better attraction to the player anyway. Odd.

Oh and 51 people have bought into the 1899 club so far.

I think Scunny will be non league for a looooooooong time. It will make Wrexhams time in the National league seem like a few minutes.

This basic winding down of the club to be no bigger than many of the clubs in the league they are dropping in to. Tinpot is a disparaging term but this seems to be what they are aiming for. Streamlining costs at the club is all well and good but it definitely doesn't get you 3 points on a Saturday at Spennymoor Town. They can't continue at Glanford Park even if they end up buying the ground their income can't sustain the upkeep of the stadium and players pay, so they're in some terrible sort of Catch 22 situation.

I can't see the point of buying Glanford Park when the upkeep will be like a millstone around their neck. So they move elsewhere. If it's away from Scunny then are they still Scunthorpe United?. Hiltons plans for the club are ... well what are his plans?. In the 46 minute interview he gave he never actually said what his plan was. All we know is that Glanford Park will only open on match days and effectively the club has found a pied a terre in Ilkeston.

What are predicted attendances in the NLN? Not enough to maintain the club I'd wager. How long before they go part time and aren't able to attract the quality of player they need to get out of NLN? With no training ground, how long before anything other than first team matches are played at Ilkeston?

Their fans are deluded if they think they'll be some sort of big fish in NLN. Clubs such as Darlington, Chester, Kidderminster Harriers and Boston, all ex league teams in one form or another, are already down there. Part time Scunny are no big draw to fans of the other teams in NLN.

I think what I'm trying to say that despite what Hilton has promised ....

They're copulated.

Quoted from jimgtfc

Already happening apparently

Not just from the Academy.

Puns a plenty if there's truth in the name I'm told...

Quoted from moosey_club

Listened to vast majority of it now....
Ironic that the first advert on the link "we are experts in small business " 😀

He states at one point that trolls are just a small percentage and that 99.9% of the support are behind him...then in the very next breath says that he knows there is a good percentage of people who have doubts !!

His academy reject plan....so he wants to take Cat 1 academy players in, 20 yr old ish players, ( pretty much all Premier or Championship acadamies) around 15-20 of them then loan them out to other teams who will give them first team football and pay their wages whilst Scunny monitor them...🤔.... so if a team fancies one of these players that have been rejected why wouldn't they just pick that player up directly ? Likelihood is that there will be at least 3 divisions above Scunny in the same market who would be a better attraction to the player anyway. Odd.

Oh and 51 people have bought into the 1899 club so far.

Well that strategy around recruiting players shows an alarming lack of understanding about the pro game and the mind set of you players who have been loved and looked after at big clubs from an early age.

I would suggest they'd have more chance of success by recruiting hardened pros/semi pros who know the ropes at such a low level .

At face value, there's some merit in what Hilton is pitching.

Realistically, Scunny are going to be in the sixth division of the pyramid next season.  That's definitely the sort of level where you perhaps don't need a full-time operation from your ground seven days a week, or even five!  Also the sort of level where you're not going to get players living remotely close to where you play.  Lots of clubs at that level will train somewhere more central and convenient to attract players.

Equally so, they're not the first and won't be the last club to ditch their Academy.  We saw first hand that our Academy funding was non-existent once we dropped out the league.  The offset for having funding is that you basically open the door to be raided as soon as anyone shows a smidge of talent.  Scunny are now in a position where they don't get the funding yet they've not got a shut door either.

This isn't at face value though is it?  This absolutely stinks.  The cruelest thing of all is that Hilton gave the Scunny fans hope, only to pull it away from them.  Their fans deserve better than this.  The kindest thing is for the club to die and a phoenix club to rise from the ashes.  They might have to share with Bottesford Town or Appleby Frodingham for a bit, but least it'll be their club.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Not just from the Academy.

Puns a plenty if there's truth in the name I'm told...

Is it that kid called Fin Shrimpton?

That's the one.

On Hurst's radar for a while. Lad is a big Scunny fan apparently, which kyboshed a previous move for him but led to believe the lad has seen the light/can't wait to get out of dodge.

Limited bits I've seen of him he looks to be one of their better players. Big, strong and mobile. I know a lot of Scunny fans can't quite understand why he hasn't played more.

Quoted from Mappers

We picked that lad up who's scored 200 in 60 games
Maybe he knew what was happening ?
Grayson Giles

Interesting if true. Looks to have a lot of potential. Trouble is, with a goal scoring record like that, I wouldn't be surprised if clubs from higher up the pyramid than us, are sniffing around.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Is it that kid called Fin Shrimpton?

With a name like that, he has to play for us doesn't he?

https://www.iron-bru.co.uk/forums/topic/grayson-giles/

Quite literally a child. Let's not get carried away just yet. Joe Ligtowler anyone?

Of course, awful for Scunthorpe to be in this situation and I'm not 100% comfortable with us as one of the vultures swooping in, but someone will pick the better talents up and it might as well be us.

Quoted from diehardmariner

https://www.iron-bru.co.uk/forums/topic/grayson-giles/

Quite literally a child. Let's not get carried away just yet. Joe Ligtowler anyone?

Of course, awful for Scunthorpe to be in this situation and I'm not 100% comfortable with us as one of the vultures swooping in, but someone will pick the better talents up and it might as well be us.

Literally just turned 16 (13th March) but has been scoring goals in u17 and u18 all season. Just had a quick look through his Twitter page, seems quite grounded based on that!

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Well that strategy around recruiting players shows an alarming lack of understanding about the pro game and the mind set of you players who have been loved and looked after at big clubs from an early age.

I would suggest they'd have more chance of success by recruiting hardened pros/semi pros who know the ropes at such a low level .

I think you misunderstand....the academy scheme isn't to play them at Scunny....they recruit a load from academies only with a view to loan them out to play first team elsewhere and then when they are ready they bring them back ....or sell them on.
They will still be running an actual first team squad as well.

Quoted from diehardmariner

https://www.iron-bru.co.uk/forums/topic/grayson-giles/

Quite literally a child. Let's not get carried away just yet. Joe Ligtowler anyone?

Of course, awful for Scunthorpe to be in this situation and I'm not 100% comfortable with us as one of the vultures swooping in, but someone will pick the better talents up and it might as well be us.

Wayne Rooney was only 16 when he made his debut, and scored his first goal for Everton.

Quoted from diehardmariner

At face value, there's some merit in what Hilton is pitching.

Realistically, Scunny are going to be in the sixth division of the pyramid next season.  That's definitely the sort of level where you perhaps don't need a full-time operation from your ground seven days a week, or even five!  Also the sort of level where you're not going to get players living remotely close to where you play.  Lots of clubs at that level will train somewhere more central and convenient to attract players.

Equally so, they're not the first and won't be the last club to ditch their Academy.  We saw first hand that our Academy funding was non-existent once we dropped out the league.  The offset for having funding is that you basically open the door to be raided as soon as anyone shows a smidge of talent.  Scunny are now in a position where they don't get the funding yet they've not got a shut door either.

This isn't at face value though is it? This absolutely stinks.  The cruelest thing of all is that Hilton gave the Scunny fans hope, only to pull it away from them.  Their fans deserve better than this.  The kindest thing is for the club to die and a phoenix club to rise from the ashes.  They might have to share with Bottesford Town or Appleby Frodingham for a bit, but least it'll be their club.

You'd hope the two local guys who were proposing a takeover towards the end of last year would be getting their heads together. They fell short on the money side of things apparently, but they were genuine and a far better shout log term than Hilton in my eyes.

Quoted from moosey_club

I think you misunderstand....the academy scheme isn't to play them at Scunny....they recruit a load from academies only with a view to loan them out to play first team elsewhere and then when they are ready they bring them back ....or sell them on.
They will still be running an actual first team squad as well.

I would think the fa would have a close look at this plan as it’s almost 3rd party ownership.

Quoted from BulkyMariner

Get your point to some extent, but Rooney was a wonderkid playing in the Premier League. Shrimpton's about to be relegated with Scunthorpe from NL to NLN. There's quite a difference between the two.

Seen a few Scunny fans raving about his work rate, which you would have thought would please Hurst. But for where we want to be next season, i'd like move towards more well-rounded quality players for LG2, and not work rate merchants.

Our problem this season has been turning decent performances to wins. High work rate players will get you decent performances, quality gets you wins and makes the difference.

You do realise that I am talking about Grayson Giles, right? Very unlikely he is going to be in the first team any time soon seeing as he is only 16.

Quoted from 123614

You do realise that I am talking about Grayson Giles, right? Very unlikely he is going to be in the first team any time soon seeing as he is only 16.

The way scunny are going there’s a good chance he’ll be playing for them this weekend.

Quoted from moosey_club

I think you misunderstand....the academy scheme isn't to play them at Scunny....they recruit a load from academies only with a view to loan them out to play first team elsewhere and then when they are ready they bring them back ....or sell them on.
They will still be running an actual first team squad as well.

Ahh… I think I get it now, so what he’s suggesting is theoretically a great scenario for them but you would imagine young players of that calibre/potential wouldn’t want to drop to the 6th tier and possibly play at a level below out on loan to kick start their career.

Hard one to sell to an agent I reckon but let’s see.

As hard a sell as their ticket scheme it seems .
Grand total so far ......50 tickets

Quoted from Gaffer58

The way scunny are going there’s a good chance he’ll be playing for them this weekend.

Only if we loan him back to them

Valuable 3 points for York tonight against promotion chasing Barnet.

York looking pretty safe now.

How are they going to afford a full time playing squad and 20 odd youngsters? There's no way clubs are going to take all of these young kids, and they certainly won't be paying 100% of their wages!

Gateshead v Yeovil tomorrow night, a big game that, no matter the result it will have a negative effect on Scunny. Things go bad even when they DON’T play!

Quoted from forza ivano

How are they going to afford a full time playing squad and 20 odd youngsters? There's no way clubs are going to take all of these young kids, and they certainly won't be paying 100% of their wages!

I think you’re right Forza I think this is a red herring by their owner to be honest.

Has anybody considered it could be an MK Dons type takeover. Moving everything but the ground to Ilkeston and then rename the club Ilkeston Iron, and then shut done Ilkeston Town having successfully moved one place up the leagues.

Once completed adios Glanford Park and Scunthorpe, as we know them. Hilton and co. just seem like a tin of worms moving in every direction.

Just a thought!

Quoted from DB

Has anybody considered it could be an MK Dons type takeover. Moving everything but the ground to Ilkeston and then rename the club Ilkeston Iron, and then shut done Ilkeston Town having successfully moved one place up the leagues.

Once completed adios Glanford Park and Scunthorpe, as we know them. Hilton and co. just seem like a tin of worms moving in every direction.

Just a thought!

Yeah the ones that mentioned it on this thread quite a few pages ago 🙄

Quoted from DB

Has anybody considered it could be an MK Dons type takeover. Moving everything but the ground to Ilkeston and then rename the club Ilkeston Iron, and then shut done Ilkeston Town having successfully moved one place up the leagues.

Once completed adios Glanford Park and Scunthorpe, as we know them. Hilton and co. just seem like a tin of worms moving in every direction.

Just a thought!

This is exactly what I think and told this to a Scunny mate at work yesterday. I even said they'll name then Ilkeston Iron too! I haven't listened or read into things in the depth others have, but just taking this thread as my guiding light, I can't help but think there's something that's going to be more beneficial to Ilkeston than it is Scunthorpe.

Moving the clubs training outside of town a problem? No
Moving the club training out of town to a town he has connections and a past with a problem? Yes

Maybe it’s just me the thinking this but, who cares. Would they honestly give 2 fu(ks what happened to us? Every time I get the slightest bit of a empathy for them, am taken back and remember a lad I used to work with and how much he would (try to) humiliate me in front of colleagues about the fact we were (then) non league and they were playing in the championship I think. Yeah their club is going to the wall it appears and am sure there are a few hundred genuine fans but if the boot was on the other foot, they wouldn’t have 152 pages of nicety and worry for us. It would all be ‘fu(k the cods’ etc etc

Gateshead vs. Yeovil tonight.

I’ve genuinely no idea what result is most beneficial for Scunthorpe, at this stage.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Maybe it’s just me the thinking this but, who cares. Would they honestly give 2 fu(ks what happened to us? Every time I get the slightest bit of a empathy for them, am taken back and remember a lad I used to work with and how much he would (try to) humiliate me in front of colleagues about the fact we were (then) non league and they were playing in the championship I think. Yeah their club is going to the wall it appears and am sure there are a few hundred genuine fans but if the boot was on the other foot, they wouldn’t have 152 pages of nicety and worry for us. It would all be ‘fu(k the cods’ etc etc

You are certainly entitled to that view in connection with our closest rivals, but the game is poorer if local rivalries disappear. I prefer them to be in the same division myself (as high up the pyramid as possible) and if we were in their position Town fans would be inconsolable so I do have a lot of sympathy.

We might think we are on the up (mid table, league 2!!) but eternity is a long time and one day it might well be us, God forbid.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Maybe it’s just me the thinking this but, who cares. Would they honestly give 2 fu(ks what happened to us? Every time I get the slightest bit of a empathy for them, am taken back and remember a lad I used to work with and how much he would (try to) humiliate me in front of colleagues about the fact we were (then) non league and they were playing in the championship I think. Yeah their club is going to the wall it appears and am sure there are a few hundred genuine fans but if the boot was on the other foot, they wouldn’t have 152 pages of nicety and worry for us. It would all be ‘fu(k the cods’ etc etc

They don’t have 152 pages about themselves on their own fans forum never mind about anyone else.🤣🤣

Quoted from bradzmilne

Gateshead vs. Yeovil tonight.

I’ve genuinely no idea what result is most beneficial for Scunthorpe, at this stage.

I’m not sure it matters, but I guess a Yeovil win would be the best outcome for them.

It’s looking like their only chance is to win five out of five…

Quoted from bradzmilne

Gateshead vs. Yeovil tonight.

I’ve genuinely no idea what result is most beneficial for Scunthorpe, at this stage.

In my opinion this is the order given that Scunny play Gateshead on Friday.

Both lose 😂 > Yeovil win > draw > Gateshead win

But only as they need to catch Gateshead and not Yeovil currently and they have them to play next. If they didn’t then a draw is probably best as it gives them a chance of catching two teams. That said, two wins from Gateshead this week puts Scunny down barring 4 wins from 4 and a 20-odd goal difference swing…
And Gateshead losing their last 7 after winning the two this week!

Quoted from Mappers

As hard a sell as their ticket scheme it seems .
Grand total so far ......50 tickets

It's propaganda bullsh1t and trolling like this that's ruins the fishy reputation....
It isn't 50 at all....

its 51.

Did make me think though that the people in this scheme have been told that they will own the company that owns the stadium, so if a consortium of people bought 51% of the 1899 company......they could then sell the ground from under them 🤣.
I am in.

It's a flipping terrible idea.

At the minute they're loaning young lads out to Cleethorpes Town.  You don't, generally, loan young players up.  They get loaned down the pyramid to see if they can hack it and gain some experience.

At best, Scunny will be in the National League North next season.  Dropping a level comes with a cost, Cleethorpes Town probably won't want their kids anymore.  Does Hilton think lads released from Premier League Academy sides are going to want to sign for them in the first place to be then loaned out to the seventh/eight/ninth tier of the pyramid?

The idea that they can then be sold later on is bordering on insanity.  Hypothetically they might get one, maybe two who they pick up from an Academy who they act as a conduit to for a deal at, let's say AFC Goole.  As part of that they install a sell-on clause of 50% of any future transfer fees.

Goole are not going to be selling this imagined superstar for mega money.  You'll be doing well to touch five figures at that level.  So for all that investment, time and energy Scunny will be hoping that Goole can sell this imagined player to Halifax so they can net a sell-on fee of about £5k.   That won't even come close to covering the administration costs of facilitating all those moves.

He's seen the Chelsea model of hoarding talented kids and making it a profitable enterprise through loan fees and sell-on clauses and thought he can do that. What a clown.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Maybe it’s just me the thinking this but, who cares. Would they honestly give 2 fu(ks what happened to us? Every time I get the slightest bit of a empathy for them, am taken back and remember a lad I used to work with and how much he would (try to) humiliate me in front of colleagues about the fact we were (then) non league and they were playing in the championship I think. Yeah their club is going to the wall it appears and am sure there are a few hundred genuine fans but if the boot was on the other foot, they wouldn’t have 152 pages of nicety and worry for us. It would all be ‘fu(k the cods’ etc etc

I once got tripped up at school by an older boy.  Everyone laughed.  He had blonde hair.

I've hated everyone Scandinavian since.

This goes well beyond the banter and rivalry in the game.  I want Scunthorpe to lose every single week, that'll never change.  Regardless of what division we and they are in I want them to be as excrement as possible.  I know that's reciprocated.  I work with Scunny fans and I love reminding them how excrement they are, just like they did to me when the roles were reversed.  It's give and take.  Football would be dull and bland if we only cared about our own results.

But c'mon, do you really want to see a whole community lose their football club?  The one thing that unites people and gives a sense of pride.  We got lucky, really lucky that the Fenty/May disaster was exposed and it paved the way for an undignified exit.  We were even luckier that we had 2 guys patiently waiting to come in and pick up the pieces.   It's almost a Sliding Doors moment.  For us Fenty could have been Swann and May could have been Hilton.  Thank god it wasn't....but it nearly was!

Quoted from DB

Has anybody considered it could be an MK Dons type takeover. Moving everything but the ground to Ilkeston and then rename the club Ilkeston Iron, and then shut done Ilkeston Town having successfully moved one place up the leagues.

Once completed adios Glanford Park and Scunthorpe, as we know them. Hilton and co. just seem like a tin of worms moving in every direction.

Just a thought!

Would be a ridiculously expense way to move up one league level. Sounds like he's in for the best part of a million in taxes and wages over the last eight weeks.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I once got tripped up at school by an older boy.  Everyone laughed.  He had blonde hair.

I've hated everyone Scandinavian since.

This goes well beyond the banter and rivalry in the game.  I want Scunthorpe to lose every single week, that'll never change.  Regardless of what division we and they are in I want them to be as excrement as possible.  I know that's reciprocated.  I work with Scunny fans and I love reminding them how excrement they are, just like they did to me when the roles were reversed.  It's give and take.  Football would be dull and bland if we only cared about our own results.

But c'mon, do you really want to see a whole community lose their football club?  The one thing that unites people and gives a sense of pride.  We got lucky, really lucky that the Fenty/May disaster was exposed and it paved the way for an undignified exit.  We were even luckier that we had 2 guys patiently waiting to come in and pick up the pieces.   It's almost a Sliding Doors moment.  For us Fenty could have been Swann and May could have been Hilton.  Thank god it wasn't....but it nearly was!

I dont particularly have empathy for them , i am looking foward to the upcoming show and hoping it drags on for as long as possible -i suspect in the upcoming weeks/years/months somebody will put the final post on this thread which is 'thread closed/They are gone '

Who I do feel sorry for are the kids who found out via an interview that they are effectively released ,and wont have the dream to play for their hometown club to aspire to and anywhere to train -would hope local clubs at least fix them up for training/trials to give them some hope .

I feel for the employees who found out they were instantly redundant to without any prior knowledge .Lacked class from Mr Ilkeston ,not a good look.

Scunny fan here. I know some of our fans have made comments about hoping Town go bust, but that was never me. Sure, I made jokes with Grimsby supporting associates about Grimsby playing The Dog & Duck when we were in the league and Grimsby not so, but that's just a bit of a joke. I expected the same the other way round. However, deep down, I always wanted Grimsby to be in the same division because the whole point of a rivalry is to play each other, surely?

If the roles were reversed I'd not celebrate. At the end of the day Grimsby fans are just like us, supporting their local team. Surely there's an understanding possible there. The real alienation are from the glory boys who come from Scunny and Grimsby, but support Man Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal and goad us for being 'excrement'. We have more in common than them.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Scunny fan here. I know some of our fans have made comments about hoping Town go bust, but that was never me. Sure, I made jokes with Grimsby supporting associates about Grimsby playing The Dog & Duck when we were in the league and Grimsby not so, but that's just a bit of a joke. I expected the same the other way round. However, deep down, I always wanted Grimsby to be in the same division because the whole point of a rivalry is to play each other, surely?

If the roles were reversed I'd not celebrate. At the end of the day Grimsby fans are just like us, supporting their local team. Surely there's an understanding possible there. The real alienation are from the glory boys who come from Scunny and Grimsby, but support Man Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal and goad us for being 'excrement'. We have more in common than them.

So how do you see it panning out

I don't know. I know Barrow do a similar thing with training at Manchester and we needed to downscale given the situation. However, I can't help but feel unease at moving to Ilkeston for training and operations. It feels like a large part of the club has been ripped from the community it represents and I hope it would only be for the short term, but I am suspicious that it won't be.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

If the roles were reversed I'd not celebrate. At the end of the day Grimsby fans are just like us, supporting their local team. Surely there's an understanding possible there. The real alienation are from the glory boys who come from Scunny and Grimsby, but support Man Utd/Liverpool/Arsenal and goad us for being 'excrement'. We have more in common than them.

Had more in common. Past tense. Regrettably, it looks like our two clubs will be operating at very different levels of the footballing pyramid for the foreseeable future, whether you or I like it or not.

We’ve had dark days at the likes of Coalville and Chasetown, but could at least take some solace in the fact that they weren’t league fixtures. Scunthorpe United, it seems, is heading to a place we never dreamed of going in even our worst nightmares. And that’s the optimistic scenario.

I’ve said on here multiple times that I do not like what has happened to SUFC and its fans. I believe football clubs are sacrosanct, vital components of their local community; often deprived and impoverished ones. I abhor the likes of Peter Swann, who destroy decades of history on a whim as soon as his own, greed-driven plans show no signs of fruition.

And so I have sympathy for Iron fans. But there’s a “but”. That sympathy is tempered by the way the fan base has sleepwalked into the nightmare you are now enduring. When I visit the Iron Bru blast furnace I expect to see concern and anger - fúcking apoplectic rage even, and yet all I am met with is confusion and ambivalence. Short of a pitch invasion a couple of months ago, I have seen little to suggest that Iron fans are prepared to save their club, by hook or by crook.

Things have escalated in the time since we, ourselves, tumbled out of the league again a little less than two years ago. But the Peter Swann shít show was patently foreseeable roughly as far back as 2018. I‘ve been calling it on here for almost as long as that, and have been at least 90% accurate so far.

The time to oust Swan was then, when the club was still vaguely saleable, not 2023. Fenty got away with way too much here, I will concede that, but the moment a convicted fraudster became linked with the club, that move, along with Fenty’s tenure, were rendered instantly unviable. Fans, with the help of the media, made it impossible.

Let’s not forget, there are clubs which have befallen worse fates than you, whatever happens. AFC Wimbledon fans didn’t fúck about when they had their club stolen; they had themselves back in the football league and briefly above their own body snatchers inside a decade. The fans of Bury on the other hand are still dícking about arguing with each other about who gets to be head boy and as such, are no closer to a return of football to Gigg Lane or anywhere else for that matter. Right now, I see more Bury in you lot than Wimbledon.

Fortunately, if there is a chink of light, it is that the Scunthorpe United doomsday clock hasn’t quite hit midnight just yet. You can’t change what your last owner did, but you can at least hold your current one to account and, should there turn out to be a element of subterfuge about how plans, ensure that he is not able to carry them out.

You lot need to give your heads a wobble. Lose the “woe is me” attitude, accept the supporting role you all played in your demise, and vow to fúcking put it right. Christ, I shouldn’t have to write your rallying cry for you.

If all else fails, be prepared to burn your ships and start afresh, at the bottom rung, with a fan owned club. I don’t pretend that such a thing is an easy undertaking, but others have done it and find themselves in a far better state than Scunny do right now. It can be done.

Whatever you do, don’t go gentle into that good night. Take some action, and take back some control. Do something. Anything. Anything is better than nothing, and nothing is all I see from Scunny fans right now.

Quoted from Poojah

Had more in common. Past tense. Regrettably, it looks like our two clubs will be operating at very different levels of the footballing pyramid for the foreseeable future, whether you or I like it or not.

We’ve had dark days at the likes of Coalville and Chasetown, but could at least take some solace in the fact that they weren’t league fixtures. Scunthorpe United, it seems, is heading to a place we never dreamed of going in even our worst nightmares. And that’s the optimistic scenario.

I’ve said on here multiple times that I do not like what has happened to SUFC and its fans. I believe football clubs are sacrosanct, vital components of their local community; often deprived and impoverished ones. I abhor the likes of Peter Swann, who destroy decades of history on a whim as soon as his own, greed-driven plans show no signs of fruition.

And so I have sympathy for Iron fans. But there’s a “but”. That sympathy is tempered by the way the fan base has sleepwalked into the nightmare you are now enduring. When I visit the Iron Bru blast furnace I expect to see concern and anger - fúcking apoplectic rage even, and yet all I am met with is confusion and ambivalence. Short of a pitch invasion a couple of months ago, I have seen little to suggest that Iron fans are prepared to save their club, by hook or by crook.

Things have escalated in the time since we, ourselves, tumbled out of the league again a little less than two years ago. But the Peter Swann shít show was patently foreseeable roughly as far back as 2018. I‘ve been calling it on here for almost as long as that, and have been at least 90% accurate so far.

The time to oust Swan was then, when the club was still vaguely saleable, not 2023. Fenty got away with way too much here, I will concede that, but the moment a convicted fraudster became linked with the club, that move, along with Fenty’s tenure, were rendered instantly unviable. Fans, with the help of the media, made that it impossible.

Let’s not forget, there are clubs which have befallen worse fates than you, whatever happens. AFC Wimbledon fans didn’t fúck about when they had their club stolen; they had themselves back in the football league and briefly above their own body snatchers inside a decade. The fans of Bury on the other hand are still dícking about arguing with each other about who gets to be head boy and as such, are no closer to a return of football to Gigg Lane or anywhere else for that matter. Right now, I see more Bury in you lot than Wimbledon.

Fortunately, if there is a chink of light, it is that the Scunthorpe United doomsday clock hasn’t quite hit midnight just yet. You can’t change what your last owner did, but you can at least hold your current one to account and, should there turn out to be a element of subterfuge about how plans, ensure that he is not able to carry them out.

You lot need to give your heads a wobble. Lose the “woe is me” attitude, accept the supporting role you all played in your demise, and vow to fúcking put it right. Christ, I shouldn’t have to write your rallying cry for you.

If all else fails, be prepared to burn your ships and start afresh, at the bottom rung, with a fan owned club. I don’t pretend that such a thing is an easy undertaking, but others have done it and find themselves in a far better state than Scunny do right now. It can be done.

Whatever you do, don’t go gentle into that good night. Take some action, and take back some control. Do something. Anything. Anything is better than nothing, and nothing is all I see from Scunny fans right now.

Great post Poojah
Maybe they need you in as an impartial adviser

Quoted from Poojah

And so I have sympathy for Iron fans. But there’s a “but”. That sympathy is tempered by the way the fan base has sleepwalked into the nightmare you are now enduring. When I visit the Iron Bru blast furnace I expect to see concern and anger - fúcking apoplectic rage even, and yet all I am met with is confusion and ambivalence. Short of a pitch invasion a couple of months ago, I have seen little to suggest that Iron fans are prepared to save their club, by hook or by crook.

[...] Fenty got away with way too much here, I will concede that, but the moment a convicted fraudster became linked with the club, that move, along with Fenty’s tenure, were rendered instantly unviable. Fans, with the help of the media, made it impossible.

I've also wondered why the Scunny fanbase has seemed so half-hearted. I was going to say that it must be because they've never had their "Alex May moment" - but then what about when Swann sold Glanford Park to his own company? Surely that should have kick-started the Scunny fans into some proper protest? Instead there were a few mumblings of discontent but no action whatsoever.

I would still say have, given the end has not yet happened,

Anyway, my post was less about the rights and wrongs of how the situation arose, more to do with the celebratory attitude some Scunny fans did take regarding Grimsby's relegation. Which I never got or agreed with.

No rallying calls expected from me. As for the past, I think too many of us were in denial and blinkered by years of relative stability beforehand. Yes, we were cash strapped in the 70s and 80s, and had some dubious goings on, but we had people who cared for the club and made the effort to keep things going. Then we had the Wharton years where things were on the up. Sure, we had moaners and groaners throughout all this, but we mostly escaped the fates of the likes of Donny, Brighton, Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Rotherham and Stockport at this sort of time. Our supporters were more naive, I think. Things started to look bleak in 2018 when the funding went, but I think most thought it was necessary cost cutting and were hoodwinked by Swann. I have family members who said "Swann wouldn't let us languish in league two or below" when were relegated from league one in 2019.

The fate of the stadium ownership saw the turn, but by then it was getting too late and too many were in shock and despair. The pitch invasion came when finally a large enough proportion realised sitting on our arses would do little, and it was well received by most. Right now I think some are wanting to give Hilton time, some are annoyingly seeing Hilton as a messiah because he saved us from Swann. Yes, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily without problems. Others are turning against, especially after this. I get that it's early days, but we need to be sceptical and I hope if Hilton has more warning signs appear there'd be a more rapid effort to do something.

Interesting to see Wimbledon hailed. I recall many comments that they gave up on the club and didn't protest to save it at the time from some quarters.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I've also wondered why the Scunny fanbase has seemed so half-hearted. I was going to say that it must be because they've never had their "Alex May moment" - but then what about when Swann sold Glanford Park to his own company? Surely that should have kick-started the Scunny fans into some proper protest? Instead there were a few mumblings of discontent but no action whatsoever.

I think this is partly it. Many didn't see any of it prior to 2021 as being a huge cause for concern. The stadium transfer was enough to turn the majority against him, but we were clueless still over how bad it was and what was needed to do. This was probably the first time in our history where any action was needed, and we were left too divided and clueless in what to do. Hopefully that changes with Hilton, but there are still divisions. In that way we are probably like Bury. I am not better than anyone; I saw through Swann before 2021, but after others, so those singing Hilton's name to the high heavens have my sympathy. I know they're doing it because they want to believe. I just hope they don't fool themselves with false hopes and cognitive dissonance like with Swann if time proves Hilton to be wrong.

The Ilkeston thing and Hilton's inability to treat staff made redundant with respect, by not informing them, is leaving me with worries. I am pleased there is a number highlighting this, even if some are going too far, and if these red flags continue we can do something. Even if it means starting over again with AFC Scunthorpe.

I may not hate Grimsby, but if some MK Dons shenanigans does happen with Ilkeston, that club will be one I and I hope all Scunny fans would treat with utter disdain.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I would still say have, given the end has not yet happened,

Anyway, my post was less about the rights and wrongs of how the situation arose, more to do with the celebratory attitude some Scunny fans did take regarding Grimsby's relegation. Which I never got or agreed with.

No rallying calls expected from me. As for the past, I think too many of us were in denial and blinkered by years of relative stability beforehand. Yes, we were cash strapped in the 70s and 80s, and had some dubious goings on, but we had people who cared for the club and made the effort to keep things going. Then we had the Wharton years where things were on the up. Sure, we had moaners and groaners throughout all this, but we mostly escaped the fates of the likes of Donny, Brighton, Wimbledon, Portsmouth, Rotherham and Stockport at this sort of time. Our supporters were more naive, I think. Things started to look bleak in 2018 when the funding went, but I think most thought it was necessary cost cutting and were hoodwinked by Swann. I have family members who said "Swann wouldn't let us languish in league two or below" when were relegated from league one in 2019.

The fate of the stadium ownership saw the turn, but by then it was getting too late and too many were in shock and despair. The pitch invasion came when finally a large enough proportion realised sitting on our arses would do little, and it was well received by most. Right now I think some are wanting to give Hilton time, some are annoyingly seeing Hilton as a messiah because he saved us from Swann. Yes, but that doesn't mean he's necessarily without problems. Others are turning against, especially after this. I get that it's early days, but we need to be sceptical and I hope if Hilton has more warning signs appear there'd be a more rapid effort to do something.

Interesting to see Wimbledon hailed. I recall many comments that they gave up on the club and didn't protest to save it at the time from some quarters.

Beyond any words uttered by Swann, did spending the best part of 200% of turnover on player wages for several seasons running not induce the slightest of concerns? Or was a blind eye turned because that kind of unsustainable spending was enabling the club to finish far higher up the football pyramid than would have otherwise been the case at the time?

I recall a BBC article around 2016/17 that called out Bolton and Scunny for dangerous overspending that would eventually put the former into admin and yourselves into the NLN. Alarm bells should have rung a lot earlier than they did, imo.

I think people were happy at that time to be challenging in the league one playoffs to really notice. I admit that at that time, myself and others had deluded ourselves. Bolton fans were just the same, and it was somewhat ironic Swann called them out at the time for financial problems. Some did have concerns, and they were right, but were ignored because they thought Swann's stadium redevelopment plans and flats would balance the books.

If you have experience with Iron-Bru, you may know of the user, Bucksiron. He was going around saying the plans made a lot of 'business sense' at the time, and that's what people thought. This may appear daft to the outsider, but when you're on the in you can become impervious to reason. Humans have this ability to shut off red flags and concerns when it's something they care and love, while the outsider can see things more clearly.

Very good post and completely agree with the need to fight, it's your club....Hilton is just the guy holding the paperwork at the minute.  Be it at Glanford Park, on a dogshit infested field behind some school, as Scunthorpe United or a reborn AFC Scunthorpe...your club is about your town and your community.  Fail to save that relationship between people and a common love and you'll never recover it.

But just to add an alternative view to this...

There was a huge degree of apathy and ambivalence towards John Fenty from the majority of fans for a long, long time of his tenure...and that's as strong as it got. Right up to the moment he got into bed with a convicted fraudster.   I can remember very, very limited and in the minority protests against his reign.   One that sticks out in my mind is a car park protest before a home game against Cambridge.  It was pathetic.  Limited numbers and largely just mindless shouting at the back of the Findus Stand, that was easily appeased when he threw his mate Slade on the scrapheap.  Fenty's reign of decline was of nearly 20 years, yet we let him do it as much as the Scunny fans sleepwalked beside Swann's reign of ineptitude, greed and ideocracy.  We had no mass pitch protests, we had gargled mutterings of discontent about him from a minority.  That was it.  Most people couldn't even bring themselves to stop going anymore, attendances dwindled because we were excrement not because of him.

We allowed Fenty to take the 2016 Play Off Trophy in his car to the FA Trophy Final and be photographed with it at service stations, he walked round the ground game after game with people shaking his hand, we watched as he came onto the pitch bare-chested with a towel over his shoulder for a game of StrokeMyEgo.  We still went to the next game, every single time.  He tried to publicly destroy a local and well respected journalist, we all voiced our disapproval but did we actually do anything about it?

Circumstance made sure John Fenty finally sold up.  He needed the money and he realised his time in NELC was up.  The revelation of his relationship with Alex May killed his political career.  He had nothing left in the area and needed out.  Fortunately for us 1878 were waiting in the wings.

But let's not kid ourselves that we hounded him out.  He left of his own accord because he had no other choice.  Had he decided not to engage with Alex May and/or have financial commitments that he needed to meet, it's more than likely he would still be here waiting for some football fortune to magically transform his and our future.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I think this is partly it. Many didn't see any of it prior to 2021 as being a huge cause for concern. The stadium transfer was enough to turn the majority against him, but we were clueless still over how bad it was and what was needed to do. This was probably the first time in our history where any action was needed, and we were left too divided and clueless in what to do. Hopefully that changes with Hilton, but there are still divisions. In that way we are probably like Bury. I am not better than anyone; I saw through Swann before 2021, but after others, so those singing Hilton's name to the high heavens have my sympathy. I know they're doing it because they want to believe. I just hope they don't fool themselves with false hopes and cognitive dissonance like with Swann if time proves Hilton to be wrong.

The Ilkeston thing and Hilton's inability to treat staff made redundant with respect, by not informing them, is leaving me with worries. I am pleased there is a number highlighting this, even if some are going too far, and if these red flags continue we can do something. Even if it means starting over again with AFC Scunthorpe.

I may not hate Grimsby, but if some MK Dons shenanigans does happen with Ilkeston, that club will be one I and I hope all Scunny fans would treat with utter disdain.

That is twice he has treated outgoing staff with disdain; Michael Nelson finding out he had been replaced live on Radio Humberside. A lot of people dived in on Ollie Turner for that, which I think is unfair. I understand the training argument from a recruitment perspective, it's a subject that has been debated lots on here and the likes of Barrow (Manchester) and Boston (Doncaster) have utilised it to great effect. But day to day operations? That is wrong, because those people are part of the club far more than players that come and go every year.

I really don't buy into the Wimbledon-MK Dons comparisons. For one thing, Ilkeston will be just one division below Scunny next year, and they're doing fairly well at that level. If Hilton was bothered about taking an Ilkeston-based club up through the leagues, he might as well just have done that with the existing Ilkeston club and not bothered with Scunny at all. Scunny is in such a state, and will suck up so much of his money, I just can't see the benefit of a merger.

The only grasping-at-straws-possible explanation I can at all see for a merger is if he thinks doing so would swell the fan base by combining Ilkeston and Scunny fans, thus giving an Ilkeston club more potential for higher-level football, but anyone with an iota of knowledge about football fandom will know that won't work. I think we can rule out the whole "Ilkeston Iron" thing on the grounds of it being a football fan's worst nightmare, and so thus being the thing people are jumping to.

I genuinely believe Hilton wants to do well at Scunny, but he comes across as naive (that under-23s academy player idea?? Thinking he'll get a new multi-pitch training complex built in the short term?) and is pretty poor at communicating his ideas.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I think people were happy at that time to be challenging in the league one playoffs to really notice. I admit that at that time, myself and others had deluded ourselves. Bolton fans were just the same, and it was somewhat ironic Swann called them out at the time for financial problems. Some did have concerns, and they were right, but were ignored because they thought Swann's stadium redevelopment plans and flats would balance the books.

If you have experience with Iron-Bru, you may know of the user, Bucksiron. He was going around saying the plans made a lot of 'business sense' at the time, and that's what people thought. This may appear daft to the outsider, but when you're on the in you can become impervious to reason. Humans have this ability to shut off red flags and concerns when it's something they care and love, while the outsider can see things more clearly.

Honestly mate, I find it absolutely staggering that people were able to see that the club was making such huge losses and that it didn’t cause widespread concern amongst the fan base. Between 2013 and 2018 (when Swann finally stopped bankrolling the club), the club made operating losses of £18.7m.

£18.7m ffs. That’s an average of £3.2m per season, which is roughly what the club was turning over each year. It was absolutely moronic and there was no shortage of people calling it out as such, not least Kieran Maguire. None of this required profound knowledge of complex business finance matters; primary school mathematics would have done the trick.

It’s just mental. Absolutely mental.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I really don't buy into the Wimbledon-MK Dons comparisons. For one thing, Ilkeston will be just one division below Scunny next year, and they're doing fairly well at that level. If Hilton was bothered about taking an Ilkeston-based club up through the leagues, he might as well just have done that with the existing Ilkeston club and not bothered with Scunny at all. Scunny is in such a state, and will suck up so much of his money, I just can't see the benefit of a merger.

The only grasping-at-straws-possible explanation I can at all see for a merger is if he thinks doing so would swell the fan base by combining Ilkeston and Scunny fans, thus giving an Ilkeston club more potential for higher-level football, but anyone with an iota of knowledge about football fandom will know that won't work. I think we can rule out the whole "Ilkeston Iron" thing on the grounds of it being a football fan's worst nightmare, and so thus being the thing people are jumping to.

I genuinely believe Hilton wants to do well at Scunny, but he comes across as naive (that under-23s academy player idea?? Thinking he'll get a new multi-pitch training complex built in the short term??) and is pretty poor at communicating his ideas.

Ilkeston isn't a huge place and it's sandwiched between Nottingham and Derby.  2 Premier League capable sides within 10 miles either way, a bit of a sleeping giant in Notts County there too.  Milton Keynes is about ten times as populous with 25 miles between them and the next decent sized team.

I hate what they represent but can, through gritted teeth, see what Winkleman was thinking...although as others have pointed out it would have been easier to just bankroll the existing football side in Milton Keynes.  Either way, whilst not the best decision it still made sense from a purely business side.

Trying to do that in Ilkeston would be idiotic.  I want to say he's not that stupid, but I'm not sure.

Ironic isn't it, pardon the pun.....

https://www.ilkestonhistory.org.uk/history/industry/stantonironworks/stantonironworks.htm

Quoted from Poojah

Honestly mate, I find it absolutely staggering that people were able to see that the club was making such huge losses and that it didn’t cause widespread concern amongst the fan base. Between 2013 and 2018 (when Swann finally stopped bankrolling the club), the club made operating losses of £18.7m.

£18.7m ffs. That’s an average of £3.2m per season, which is roughly what the club was turning over each year. It was absolutely moronic and there was no shortage of people calling it out as such, not least Kieran Maguire. None of this required profound knowledge of complex business finance matters; primary school mathematics would have done the trick.

It’s just mental. Absolutely mental.

It is in hindsight, but fans of so many clubs just don't listen to worries when things are positive. Any suggestions to the contrary was damned as jealousy or bitterness. Even from within the fanbase. The before mentioned Bucksiron used to say critics were jealous of Swann's wealth when any question came up about his running of the club and losses. It doesn't matter how many people from outside question or bring evidence, the believer (in this case of Scunthorpe Utd) will not listen because they want to be happy.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

I really don't buy into the Wimbledon-MK Dons comparisons. For one thing, Ilkeston will be just one division below Scunny next year, and they're doing fairly well at that level. If Hilton was bothered about taking an Ilkeston-based club up through the leagues, he might as well just have done that with the existing Ilkeston club and not bothered with Scunny at all. Scunny is in such a state, and will suck up so much of his money, I just can't see the benefit of a merger.

The only grasping-at-straws-possible explanation I can at all see for a merger is if he thinks doing so would swell the fan base by combining Ilkeston and Scunny fans, thus giving an Ilkeston club more potential for higher-level football, but anyone with an iota of knowledge about football fandom will know that won't work. I think we can rule out the whole "Ilkeston Iron" thing on the grounds of it being a football fan's worst nightmare, and so thus being the thing people are jumping to.

I genuinely believe Hilton wants to do well at Scunny, but he comes across as naive (that under-23s academy player idea?? Thinking he'll get a new multi-pitch training complex built in the short term?) and is pretty poor at communicating his ideas.

Oh, I agree that an Ilkeston Iron is unlikely. I just put it there as I can't yet discount it. I agree it'd be a bonkers move, given Ilkeston has zero opportunity to form a sizeable fanbase given its location.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I think this is partly it. Many didn't see any of it prior to 2021 as being a huge cause for concern. The stadium transfer was enough to turn the majority against him, but we were clueless still over how bad it was and what was needed to do. This was probably the first time in our history where any action was needed, and we were left too divided and clueless in what to do. Hopefully that changes with Hilton, but there are still divisions. In that way we are probably like Bury. I am not better than anyone; I saw through Swann before 2021, but after others, so those singing Hilton's name to the high heavens have my sympathy. I know they're doing it because they want to believe. I just hope they don't fool themselves with false hopes and cognitive dissonance like with Swann if time proves Hilton to be wrong.

The Ilkeston thing and Hilton's inability to treat staff made redundant with respect, by not informing them, is leaving me with worries. I am pleased there is a number highlighting this, even if some are going too far, and if these red flags continue we can do something. Even if it means starting over again with AFC Scunthorpe.

I may not hate Grimsby, but if some MK Dons shenanigans does happen with Ilkeston, that club will be one I and I hope all Scunny fans would treat with utter disdain.

I listen to the iron bru podcast regularly and listening to that over the last few years you could tell something was brewing , especially when they had Swann on making statements and threats like :

"If they keep going off on their tangeant (the fans ) the club goes ' and
'Who would want to make up a million pound shortfall when all the chairman does is get abused '

There were many more non empty threats and digs at the fans .

Quoted from diehardmariner

Very good post and completely agree with the need to fight, it's your club....Hilton is just the guy holding the paperwork at the minute.  Be it at Glanford Park, on a dogshit infested field behind some school, as Scunthorpe United or a reborn AFC Scunthorpe...your club is about your town and your community.  Fail to save that relationship between people and a common love and you'll never recover it.

But just to add an alternative view to this...

There was a huge degree of apathy and ambivalence towards John Fenty from the majority of fans for a long, long time of his tenure...and that's as strong as it got. Right up to the moment he got into bed with a convicted fraudster.   I can remember very, very limited and in the minority protests against his reign.   One that sticks out in my mind is a car park protest before a home game against Cambridge.  It was pathetic.  Limited numbers and largely just mindless shouting at the back of the Findus Stand, that was easily appeased when he threw his mate Slade on the scrapheap.  Fenty's reign of decline was of nearly 20 years, yet we let him do it as much as the Scunny fans sleepwalked beside Swann's reign of ineptitude, greed and ideocracy.  We had no mass pitch protests, we had gargled mutterings of discontent about him from a minority.  That was it.  Most people couldn't even bring themselves to stop going anymore, attendances dwindled because we were excrement not because of him.

We allowed Fenty to take the 2016 Play Off Trophy in his car to the FA Trophy Final and be photographed with it at service stations, he walked round the ground game after game with people shaking his hand, we watched as he came onto the pitch bare-chested with a towel over his shoulder for a game of StrokeMyEgo.  We still went to the next game, every single time.  He tried to publicly destroy a local and well respected journalist, we all voiced our disapproval but did we actually do anything about it?

Circumstance made sure John Fenty finally sold up.  He needed the money and he realised his time in NELC was up.  The revelation of his relationship with Alex May killed his political career.  He had nothing left in the area and needed out.  Fortunately for us 1878 were waiting in the wings.

But let's not kid ourselves that we hounded him out.  He left of his own accord because he had no other choice.  Had he decided not to engage with Alex May and/or have financial commitments that he needed to meet, it's more than likely he would still be here waiting for some football fortune to magically transform his and our future.

Really well put, I have been amazed at the limited number of posts about all this on irn-bru when I've had a look. The scunny fan base seems so apathetic - I expected it to be a furnace of rage. But looking back it was only the Alex May thing that finally triggered an overwhelming rejection of fenty, and even then it was probably, as you say, the mix of ending his local political career and needing a cash injection due to his problems that meant he had to sell up and even then we got lucky with JS and AP being willing and able to meet the asking price.

I dread to think where we'd be if fenty had managed to get May in the door, or if nobody could meet what he perceived as the right price for the club when he did want to sell. After years of neglect he came close to smothering the club, no doubt.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Very good post and completely agree with the need to fight, it's your club....Hilton is just the guy holding the paperwork at the minute.  Be it at Glanford Park, on a dogshit infested field behind some school, as Scunthorpe United or a reborn AFC Scunthorpe...your club is about your town and your community.  Fail to save that relationship between people and a common love and you'll never recover it.

But just to add an alternative view to this...

There was a huge degree of apathy and ambivalence towards John Fenty from the majority of fans for a long, long time of his tenure...and that's as strong as it got. Right up to the moment he got into bed with a convicted fraudster.   I can remember very, very limited and in the minority protests against his reign.   One that sticks out in my mind is a car park protest before a home game against Cambridge.  It was pathetic.  Limited numbers and largely just mindless shouting at the back of the Findus Stand, that was easily appeased when he threw his mate Slade on the scrapheap.  Fenty's reign of decline was of nearly 20 years, yet we let him do it as much as the Scunny fans sleepwalked beside Swann's reign of ineptitude, greed and ideocracy.  We had no mass pitch protests, we had gargled mutterings of discontent about him from a minority.  That was it.  Most people couldn't even bring themselves to stop going anymore, attendances dwindled because we were excrement not because of him.

We allowed Fenty to take the 2016 Play Off Trophy in his car to the FA Trophy Final and be photographed with it at service stations, he walked round the ground game after game with people shaking his hand, we watched as he came onto the pitch bare-chested with a towel over his shoulder for a game of StrokeMyEgo.  We still went to the next game, every single time.  He tried to publicly destroy a local and well respected journalist, we all voiced our disapproval but did we actually do anything about it?

Circumstance made sure John Fenty finally sold up.  He needed the money and he realised his time in NELC was up.  The revelation of his relationship with Alex May killed his political career.  He had nothing left in the area and needed out.  Fortunately for us 1878 were waiting in the wings.

But let's not kid ourselves that we hounded him out.  He left of his own accord because he had no other choice.  Had he decided not to engage with Alex May and/or have financial commitments that he needed to meet, it's more than likely he would still be here waiting for some football fortune to magically transform his and our future.

The stars alligned for us
It could have been alex may (convicted fraudster )
It could have been Tom Shutes (alterior motives allegedly)

We have the lads we all like to moan but whatever happens we all know they are big fans and dont have any hidden agendas ,if ,buts and maybes or points of division like our neighbours new potential primary funder .

We can just debate new stadiums ,a million pound striker and how many seasons it will take to get to league 1 .

A good place to be

Gateshead now 2 up against Yeovil, so our chums are 11 points from safety with 6 games to play

9 isn’t it? Aldershot have Yeovil on Friday while Scunny are away at Gateshead. Aldershot could win and all but relegate Scunny (and more than likely Yeovil too) provided Scunny can’t get a win. The teams above Scunny have all played a game more too.

Regional football, lol.

Quoted from buckstown

Gateshead now 2 up against Yeovil, so our chums are 11 points from safety with 6 games to play

Someone on here actually pointed out that the BBC table is WRONG and still hasn’t been updated correctly, so apparently Scunny are not as far away from safety as the BBC think. The gap isn’t a chasm, it’s just a massive bloody hole!

Looking at the relegated clubs yeovil, torquay n maidstone n.l. north will be even more southerly based. Will be able to watch them at oxford, blackley n banbury should I want a laugh next season

The BBC National League table is totally inaccurate - Scunthorpe and Maidstone have played 41 games, York are now on 46 points after winning last night. Really, Premiership aside the BBC don't give a monkeys about the lower leagues.

As someone has mentioned Yeovil, I note Maguire-Drew is no longer starting. Subs bench of a team staring the NLN in the face. A shame. Dunno where he’ll turn up next.

Quoted from 140381

As someone has mentioned Yeovil, I note Maguire-Drew is no longer starting. Subs bench of a team staring the NLN in the face. A shame. Dunno where he’ll turn up next.

Something not quite right with him. Has a lovely delivery and the ability to change a game but just never seems fit/motivated enough. Struggling to get a game facing relegation from the NL is way below where his ability should be.

Quoted from mariner91

Something not quite right with him. Has a lovely delivery and the ability to change a game but just never seems fit/motivated enough. Struggling to get a game facing relegation from the NL is way below where his ability should be.

The comparison with Scott neilson is quite amazing

Quoted from forza ivano

Looking at the relegated clubs yeovil, torquay n maidstone n.l. north will be even more southerly based. Will be able to watch them at oxford, blackley n banbury should I want a laugh next season

TBF 2 of them will go into NLS and unless Leiston win the Central League play-offs then all three will go into the NLS. There is a 4 in 5 chance the Central League promoted teams [into NLN] come from the midlands so won't mess up NLN and NLS too much!

Scunny, Yeovil and Torquay all looking nailed-on to go down. Yeovil were in the Championship as recently as 2014, arguably trumping Scunny’s fall from grace in that respect.

Torquay have surprised me, too. I tipped them to do alright this season after they played some nice football at BP a little less than a year ago, Town needing a last minute Tristan Abrahams penalty to win the game.

Sad to see the state of some of those clubs, really.

Quoted from Poojah

Scunny, Yeovil and Torquay all looking nailed-on to go down. Yeovil were in the Championship as recently as 2014, arguably trumping Scunny’s fall from grace in that respect.

Torquay have surprised me, too. I tipped them to do alright this season after they played some nice football at BP a little less than a year ago, Town needing a last minute Tristan Abrahams penalty to win the game.

Sad to see the state of some of those clubs, really.

Well...two of them anyway 😀

Gateshead win 4-0. Scunny trail by 11 points and an insurmountable goal difference with 6 games left to play. They are down.

Quoted from Poojah

Gateshead win 4-0. Scunny trail by 11 points and an insurmountable goal difference with 6 games left to play. They are down.

Don't think it is 11 points. BBC table is wrong.

Think it is 9 points, but they are down regardless.

Quoted from Poojah

Gateshead win 4-0. Scunny trail by 11 points and an insurmountable goal difference with 6 games left to play. They are down.

9 points behind Gateshead with only 5 games left and one of them is against Gateshead

Effectively 10 points with the goal difference now with 5 to play,
It's a real shame, I know alot of genuine Town fans, myself included were hoping that they would hang on in there to the last game of the season to prolong their agony before getting the dagger through the heart, oh well. ...always next season.

Quoted from ginnywings

Don't think it is 11 points. BBC table is wrong.

Think it is 9 points, but they are down regardless.

I was looking at the Sky table which, it turns out, wasn’t “live”. As you say, minor details in a very sorry looking bigger picture.

Quoted from forza ivano

Looking at the relegated clubs yeovil, torquay n maidstone n.l. north will be even more southerly based. Will be able to watch them at oxford, blackley n banbury should I want a laugh next season

What would happen if say 4 southern teams got relegated from the national league 3 years in a row ?
Does anyone know how they work out who goes in north and south ?

Aldershot v Yeovil on Friday. If Shots win that, Scunny could be 12 points off safety with 4 games left. And a dreadful goal difference.

All ifs and buts, but if they still have anything to play for after Easter Monday, I’d be amazed.

If memory serves me correctly, they were also relegated on Good Friday last year.

Looks like the current bottom four are most likey going down unless one of them can catch Aldershot because Gateshead look well capable of securing safety.

That will mean that two clubs who graced the L1 playoffs not so long ago will relegated out of the NL. That is quite staggering when you think about it.

Quoted from Mappers

What would happen if say 4 southern teams got relegated from the national league 3 years in a row ?
Does anyone know how they work out who goes in north and south ?

The 24 most northern teams play in the NLN and the 24 most southern teams play in the NLS based on latitude.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The 24 most northern teams play in the NLN and the 24 most southern teams play in the NLS based on latitude.

Jeez why didn't I work that one out (genuine reply)

If only I had thought of cat's eyes.

They are basically a grass roots team now and based on what I've heard from the owner I can't see that changing for a long time . It will eventually sink in for the supporters who were glory hunting a few years ago and they will end up with the 2.5/3k loyal fan base which is a sizable crowd at that level. Moving the training ground makes perfect sense , closing the academy does too But they should set up teams like clee town etc so young kids can still feel a connect with the club . Perhaps they will ?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The 24 most northern teams play in the NLN and the 24 most southern teams play in the NLS based on latitude.

Genuine question - do teams transfer from North to South and visa versa if they stay up, but are replaced by teams who are more northern or more southern?

Quoted from Heisenberg

Genuine question - do teams transfer from North to South and visa versa if they stay up, but are replaced by teams who are more northern or more southern?

Yes they do

Quoted from Heisenberg

Genuine question - do teams transfer from North to South and visa versa if they stay up, but are replaced by teams who are more northern or more southern?

Yes, it is a 48 team division that it is divided up every season once they know what members they have. Gloucester and Boston have spent the longest period at that level but Gloucester have moved between the North and South divisions.

If you go down a level or 2, you have Ilkeston and Basford in the Southern Premier Central playing AFC Rushden & Diamonds, Nuneaton, Bedford Town, Tamworth etc. 7 miles south of Ilkeston you have Long Eaton who play a level lower and are in the Northern Premier East Division with Cleethorpes Town, Grimsby Borough, Bridlington, Worksop and a few teams from the North East.

I spent a while working for Halifax about ten years ago. At the time they were in NLN. In the league that year were Oxford City, Gloucester City, Worcester City, Histon and Bishop’s Stortford. They’ve all jumped between NLN/NLS.

Halifax also had Workington and Colwyn Bay in the league that year, and a cup match away to Dartford. Throw in the likes of Blyth and Gateshead, who have spent time in that league, and you can soon rack up the miles in as a NLN club.

Quoted from toontown

Really well put, I have been amazed at the limited number of posts about all this on irn-bru when I've had a look. The scunny fan base seems so apathetic - I expected it to be a furnace of rage. But looking back it was only the Alex May thing that finally triggered an overwhelming rejection of fenty, and even then it was probably, as you say, the mix of ending his local political career and needing a cash injection due to his problems that meant he had to sell up and even then we got lucky with JS and AP being willing and able to meet the asking price.

I dread to think where we'd be if fenty had managed to get May in the door, or if nobody could meet what he perceived as the right price for the club when he did want to sell. After years of neglect he came close to smothering the club, no doubt.

The true scale of neglect of investment in the club’s infrastructure in the Fenty era is still only just coming to light. And let’s not kid ourselves it wasn’t just Fenty - it was what went before as well. It’s like a little microcosm of Tory austerity - payback is now - NHS, Social Care, childcare, water industry, transport, court system, energy, insulation of homes - everywhere you look chronic underinvestment.

That neglect wasn’t entirely visible to us as fans - like with the Tories there was a facade of financial stability. On the pitch we did just enough, we certainly weren’t happy but there was the hope that things could get better - 6 years in non-league but play-offs 4 times, then promotion and struggle but head above water, then the fanfare around Holloway, crowds up, packing away ends. Who knows what would have happened if COVID hadn’t?

This is not the same as Swann - he wasn’t Tory incompetence and austerity, he was Latin American banana republic.

...... with William Hill on speed dial

This video will come in handy for the Scunts next season. ;D

Quoted from Les Brechin

This video will come in handy for the Scunts next season. ;D

The Hawthorns (Brigg) is palatial compared to some of the grounds in NLN.
I never knew there was a '3rd' ground called St James('s) Park.

Realistically, they could get mathematically relegated on Monday. The day their two closest rivals play each other....

Quoted from Youngy

Realistically, they could get mathematically relegated on Monday. The day their two closest rivals play each other....

With their goal difference they will be as good as down on Friday if they lose at Gateshead and Aldershot beat Yeovil at home.

The Iron Trust have spoken.......... It's gonna get messier

Following consideration of Mr Hilton’s statement by the board and feedback from members, The Iron Trust has made the statement below:

The Iron Trust board has considered the statement from owner David Hilton.  We acknowledge that, as SUFC drops into the National League North, it is inevitable that there will be cost cutting at the club.  However, we are concerned about a number of the issues raised in the statement.

Although the primary function of the club is to find and develop players who will represent Scunthorpe United to the best of their ability and effort it is also important that the club is part of Scunthorpe community.

With Glanford Park being open only on (or mainly on), match days; the training being done 70 miles away and the academy being scrapped it is hard to see how any local players will again represent SUFC.  The team will hardly represent Scunthorpe as a town.  There is no evidence that the club will attract more players as a result of being mainly based at Ilkeston and no certainty that the model of taking in academy cast offs will succeed.

It is not yet clear if Ilkeston staff will administer the club or if there will be reduced staff at GP. The SUFC staff have been loyal over the past few years through Covid and the previous administration and are Scunthorpe fans.  There is no information about how much SUFC will pay for use of the facilities at Ilkeston and how that will save money as GP will still have to be kept in good condition.

Also we do not see how closing the club on non match days will help with commercial activities and sponsorship of the club.  The facilities and restaurant will not be used to their potential thereby cutting down potential income streams. It is also difficult to see how commercial staff will operate from out of town.

It is also unclear if the Iron Foundation and Study United will continue to operate.  Both of these are integral to good community links. Players would regularly be involved with these enterprises helping to embed SUFC in the community,

Mr Hilton identified several groups of supporters:  those who would see what he is proposing as being for the best; those who opposed and those who would be sceptical. Given our experiences over the last five years or so we are firmly in the sceptical group.

We wish to see a successful Scunthorpe United team which operates in the town, has successful use of Glanford Park generating income for the club and which is closely linked to the town.  A true community club.  We feel that the proposals as outlined make this much more difficult to achieve.

Quoted from It Bites

The Iron Trust have spoken.......... It's gonna get messier

Following consideration of Mr Hilton’s statement by the board and feedback from members, The Iron Trust has made the statement below:

The Iron Trust board has considered the statement from owner David Hilton.  We acknowledge that, as SUFC drops into the National League North, it is inevitable that there will be cost cutting at the club.  However, we are concerned about a number of the issues raised in the statement.

Although the primary function of the club is to find and develop players who will represent Scunthorpe United to the best of their ability and effort it is also important that the club is part of Scunthorpe community.

With Glanford Park being open only on (or mainly on), match days; the training being done 70 miles away and the academy being scrapped it is hard to see how any local players will again represent SUFC.  The team will hardly represent Scunthorpe as a town.  There is no evidence that the club will attract more players as a result of being mainly based at Ilkeston and no certainty that the model of taking in academy cast offs will succeed.

It is not yet clear if Ilkeston staff will administer the club or if there will be reduced staff at GP. The SUFC staff have been loyal over the past few years through Covid and the previous administration and are Scunthorpe fans.  There is no information about how much SUFC will pay for use of the facilities at Ilkeston and how that will save money as GP will still have to be kept in good condition.

Also we do not see how closing the club on non match days will help with commercial activities and sponsorship of the club.  The facilities and restaurant will not be used to their potential thereby cutting down potential income streams. It is also difficult to see how commercial staff will operate from out of town.

It is also unclear if the Iron Foundation and Study United will continue to operate.  Both of these are integral to good community links. Players would regularly be involved with these enterprises helping to embed SUFC in the community,

Mr Hilton identified several groups of supporters:  those who would see what he is proposing as being for the best; those who opposed and those who would be sceptical. Given our experiences over the last five years or so we are firmly in the sceptical group.

We wish to see a successful Scunthorpe United team which operates in the town, has successful use of Glanford Park generating income for the club and which is closely linked to the town.  A true community club.  We feel that the proposals as outlined make this much more difficult to achieve.

It seems both members of the Trust aren't in line with Mr Hiltons plans.

Bit of a wet statement, that. Pick a position - you either back something or you oppose it; don’t just stand between those two extremes and meekly describe yourselves as “skeptical”. Skepticism won’t change anything. Forceful opposition might, but yet again all we have is more empty words and passivity.

They need a fúcking rocket, that lot.

The Podcast bunch (who seem a decent lot) meeting up with Hilton at his request at Ilkeston will be the real eye opener. Either firm evidence of what's going to happen will be seen or more smoke and mirrors.

That statement could’ve been written by Fenty.

It doesn’t really say anything other than what any normal scunny fan would think anyway. Sceptical, they’re putting themselves in the sceptical camp? intercourse me, you’re meant to represent the club, it’s fans more so and you’re only sceptical.

Grow a pair ya flipping melts and go after them, after them all and demand some flipping clarity. Swann set your club into a death spiral and this flipping idiot Hilton doesn’t seem much better. These measures aren’t just cost cutting, they’re club killing so demand answers.

The levels of ambivalence are terrifying. It was bad enough at town, all those idiots swallowing the fenty nonsense but this is flipping disgraceful. They should be wanting blood…

Might have been covered before but after results at the bottom in the last week, they could be gone by the final whistle on Easter Monday if my maths are right, all being well!

If Aldershot win and Scunny lose tomorrow they'll be affectively relegated due to shite gd

I wonder what odds will be available for another relegation out of the NLN 🤔

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

I wonder what odds will be available for another relegation out of the NLN 🤔

With Everything going on at the club and the players only there on match days they won't give a intercourse if results don't pick up . They've all got the ultimate excuse and can hide away every week . They'll go down again if they don't get off to a good start

I am aware of the promotion and relegation numbers for the top five tiers but scunny are slipping so far I am not familiar with them (haha) - how many go down from NLN is it 2, 3 or 4?

Quoted from toontown

I am aware of the promotion and relegation numbers for the top five tiers but scunny are slipping so far I am not familiar with them (haha) - how many go down from NLN is it 2, 3 or 4?

2 up, 4 down. I know where I’d put my money.

The list of the old long established EFL clubs who have fallen to tier 6 or lower is a long one includes Stockport , Barrow , York , Halifax , Chester , Darlington , Aldershot , Southport , Workington and about to add Scunthorpe and Torquay . Of those only the first two are currently back in EFL so the odds are stacked against them

A quick glance on Twitter seems there's a huge split amongst their fanbase too.

I think Poojah's comparison to Bury is an apt one at this stage. It's looking woeful.

The 'training in Ilkeston' thing not happening now:

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/april/training-update/

So presumably there is some sort of deal to keep using it even if the purchase doesn't go through before the start of next season???

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Might have been covered before but after results at the bottom in the last week, they could be gone by the final whistle on Easter Monday if my maths are right, all being well!

They could be (as good as) down by the final whistle tomorrow, if they lose and Aldershot win due to their poor goal difference.

Podcast just gone up for those following the drama...

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Podcast just gone up for those following the drama...

Crikey
Might be a listen for with a beer or two later

Love it how the show continues

Even the podcasts are split havent this lot started one because they dont agree with the iron bru lads views or something like that.

Quoted from Mappers

Crikey
Might be a listen for with a beer or two later

Love it how the show continues

Even the podcasts are split havent this lot started one because they dont agree with the iron bru lads views or something like that.

I'd be very worried about a chairman and owner that says would "of" instead of would "have". I don't think Fenty ever did that did he...?

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I'd be very worried about a chairman and owner that says would "of" instead of would "have". I don't think Fenty ever did that did he...?

It’s a funny one that Nottinghamshire / Derbyshire accent. It tricks you into thinking it is completely inoffensive and then punches you in the face with any word ending in the letter “y”.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I'd be very worried about a chairman and owner that says would "of" instead of would "have". I don't think Fenty ever did that did he...?

And at least he could be excused if he did seeing as he's dyslexic. It's the only thing I allow him.

I've listened to about 13mins so far, and he comes across as a right chancer. You have to ask what is in it for him, no proper ties with the club, and from what is going on it feels as if he is using Scuuny to progress Ilkeston. Why doesn't that fan who tried to buy the club try again with Hilton. Such as shame really i just find it unbelievable the podcast team are just taking it all in, like if they are at a tea party. I'll listen to more later.

Quoted from Meza

I've listened to about 13mins so far, and he comes across as a right chancer. You have to ask what is in it for him, no proper ties with the club, and from what is going on it feels as if he is using Scuuny to progress Ilkeston. Why doesn't that fan who tried to buy the club try again with Hilton. Such as shame really i just find it unbelievable the podcast team are just taking it all in, like if they are at a tea party. I'll listen to more later.

Listened to more mate couldnt wait unti later for the next installment of 'the old showground'
Bonkers :
Theres no point of putting all the key points as Dodgy Dave seems to change his mind all the time ,everything he said in the first interview he has backtracked on and changed his mind .
Brilliant
What a plonker

'The only goal is to make Scunthorpe Utd sustainable '

If he's being honest its NLN / touching the NL on odd occasions forever .

They wont be troubling us anytime soon apart from their biggest game of the season in the lincs cup (if its still going )

He obviously has not got much capital by football owners standards he said it himself .

Like Meza said whats in it for him ?

Why with a relatively modest amount would you gamble it on Scunthorpe Utd when you dont even support them ?

Its all going to play out one way or another

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I'd be very worried about a chairman and owner that says would "of" instead of would "have". I don't think Fenty ever did that did he...?

Whats the accent ?
Swann had a similiar one they say graandd (ground) and parnddd (pound )
Thats his most endearing trait

Arr Poojah answered my question
Cheers

I listened to the podcast purely because I have a couple of mates who are Sunny S/T holders and want to be able to understand the shite that they are in and take the piste like they did when Town got relegated but am more confused than I was after listening to Hilton on Sunday. For football reasons I cannot think of a reason why he would invest in SUFC when he has no affiliation to them and can only think his reasoning is financial and he’s had to bail them out to the tune of a few 100k before he actually buys the club, maybe I’m missing something or maybe he is . UTM

Quoted from Spurn boy

I listened to the podcast purely because I have a couple of mates who are Sunny S/T holders and want to be able to understand the shite that they are in and take the piste like they did when Town got relegated but am more confused than I was after listening to Hilton on Sunday. For football reasons I cannot think of a reason why he would invest in SUFC when he has no affiliation to them and can only think his reasoning is financial and he’s had to bail them out to the tune of a few 100k before he actually buys the club, maybe I’m missing something or maybe he is . UTM

Perhaps he invests in corrugated iron?

So he’s changed his mind about training at Ilkeston and he’s changing his mind about the academy
Worrying when leaders act, then consultant, then change. Doesn’t look highly professional

Quoted from buckstown

So he’s changed his mind about training at Ilkeston and he’s changing his mind about the academy
Worrying when leaders act, then consultant, then change. Doesn’t look highly professional

Or......he has been man enough to listen, recognise the error and not too proud to admit he is wrong.....rather that than a bloody minded fool.

I'd always be dubious about someone who was never a supporter or is from the area getting involved in buying your football club.
Even honest John was from the area.
So, what's in it for this Hilton guy?
Some dodgy deal with swann is most likely what's in the pipeline for these two.
Doesn't bode well for our scunty friends that's for sure.
They're going to be better off starting from scratch with a phoenix club a la Aldershot style.
Putting my hatred of them aside for a minute, it's a shite hawk way of treating fans.
My only suprise is the apathy from the fans towards the situation. Very bizarre.

Quoted from Phil the cod

I'd always be dubious about someone who was never a supporter or is from the area getting involved in buying your football club.
Even honest John was from the area.
So, what's in it for this Hilton guy?
Some dodgy deal with swann is most likely what's in the pipeline for these two.
Doesn't bode well for our scunty friends that's for sure.
They're going to be better off starting from scratch with a phoenix club a la Aldershot style.
Putting my hatred of them aside for a minute, it's a shite hawk way of treating fans.
My only suprise is the apathy from the fans towards the situation. Very bizarre.

It's the general apathy in life right now . We just roll over and give into everything. So long as we can vent on social media we've done our job .

Gateshead 1 Scunts 0

So long neighbour!

Good work Agent Wearne.

The fat lady is singing a beautiful song …… going down going down going down

Seems an eternity ago when Kevin Von veen was running up to us shushing us in a one nil win for those scunty twa.ts.......oh well, so long farewell,auf weidersen , adure, adure,adure, to yer and yer and yer.

Aldershot take the lead. As it stands the Scunts are 99.9% down

Could be a big result at Halifax if they can hang on...

No chance Halifax hang on ref wont end the game till Wrexham score even if it takes 20mins of added time ;)

“Mind the (big) Gap” ;)

Quoted from Madeleymariner

No chance Halifax hang on ref wont end the game till Wrexham score even if it takes 20mins of added time ;)

Notts county win last 4 games they go up as champions

Big game on Monday, Wrexham v Notts County

Notts County have 5 games left, Wrexham have 6.

Easter blockbuster Mon Wrexham v Notts County. Both teams on 97 points. GD is nearly identical.

Both teams should easily get more than100 points, 100 goals for both also in hand.
Records being set across the board.

If Wrexham beat County they would be in a very strong position with games running out.

If County win it is probably still 50/50 for the title.

Both teams are exceptional by NL standards going back many years.

Amazing that we won at both teams inside a week!

In fact they are both on 100 points. The BBC table is still wrong. It’s been inaccurate for about a week now.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Please don't post videos of my wife without her permission.

Mani scores again against Wrexham. Only second time they lost since last time he did it

Very interesting climax to the National League season, at the top end at least. The BBC table remains out of date as others have said, so both Notts County and Wrexham are on 100 points (County top by virtue of their GD of 70 versus Wrexham’s 67 - today’s results saw a 5 goal swing in Notts’ favour), with Wrexham having a game in hand.

The game on Monday afternoon is huge. Should Notts County win, the title would be theirs if they could win their remaining three games against Woking (‘3rd), Maidstone (24th) and York (14th).

A Wrexham win puts things in their hands, though they still have tough games away at Barnet (5th) and at home to Boreham Wood (6th).

If there is a winner, it’s hard to make an argument for whoever it is not winning the title. Wrexham will be the favourites; they haven’t lost at home in any competition since, ooh, about the 28th May last year, but I wonder if the nerves might begin to creep in as the pressure rises. It’d be hard not to have a bit of a complex about what happened that fateful day.

Gut feel says Notts will win on Monday and Wrexham bottle the play-offs. Time will tell. However shít today was, I’m glad we at least don’t have to worry about getting out of that league.

Quoted from Poojah

Very interesting climax to the National League season, at the top end at least. The BBC table remains out of date as others have said, so both Notts County and Wrexham are on 100 points (County top by virtue of their GD of 70 versus Wrexham’s 67 - today’s results saw a 5 goal swing in Notts’ favour), with Wrexham having a game in hand.

The game on Monday afternoon is huge. Should Notts County win, the title would be theirs if they could win their remaining three games against Woking (‘3rd), Maidstone (24th) and York (14th).

A Wrexham win puts things in their hands, though they still have tough games away at Barnet (5th) and at home to Boreham Wood (6th).

If there is a winner, it’s hard to make an argument for whoever it is not winning the title. Wrexham will be the favourites; they haven’t lost at home in any competition since, ooh, about the 28th May last year, but I wonder if the nerves might begin to creep in as the pressure rises. It’d be hard not to have a bit of a complex about what happened that fateful day.

Gut feel says Notts will win on Monday and Wrexham bottle the play-offs. Time will tell. However shít today was, I’m glad we at least don’t have to worry about getting out of that league.

It’s mad. Common sense says we know the 2 who should go up, but you never really know. If Wrexham fail, will there be a 3rd season on Disney+?

Anyway, this all suggests to me that L2 will be even tougher next season, so we have to make some good signings or we’re potentially in deep trouble. My god, we’ve toiled this season….

Quoted from Heisenberg

It’s mad. Common sense says we know the 2 who should go up, but you never really know. If Wrexham fail, will there be a 3rd season on Disney+?

Anyway, this all suggests to me that L2 will be even tougher next season, so we have to make some good signings or we’re potentially in deep trouble. My god, we’ve toiled this season….

If County come up the league won't be any tougher than now, their one and only match winner will be gone and they, like all others, will be hunting a goal scorer.
If Wrexham come up, by whatever means however, they will interfere with the League order....guaranteed

Quoted from moosey_club

If County come up the league won't be any tougher than now, their one and only match winner will be gone and they, like all others, will be hunting a goal scorer.
If Wrexham come up, by whatever means however, they will interfere with the League order....guaranteed

That’s a good point about County. Even if Langstaff goes for £2m or something, it’s a drop on the ocean compared to their debt. But I have a feeling that won’t affect their spending. Some clubs can’t help themselves.

Quoted from moosey_club

If County come up the league won't be any tougher than now, their one and only match winner will be gone and they, like all others, will be hunting a goal scorer.
If Wrexham come up, by whatever means however, they will interfere with the League order....guaranteed

Langstaff will go, no doubt about it, but they’ll get a decent fee. Two years left on his contract and 41 goals in 41 games in the NL; a record far better than Jamie Vardy’s a decade or so ago. I can see a Championship club taking a punt, probably for somewhere between £1.5m and £2m.

At least one of Wrexham or Notts are coming up; either of both of whom will be very well heeled.

Quoted from Poojah

Langstaff will go, no doubt about it, but they’ll get a decent fee. Two years left on his contract and 41 goals in 41 games in the NL; a record far better than Jamie Vardy’s a decade or so ago. I can see a Championship club taking a punt, probably for somewhere between £1.5m and £2m.

At least one of Wrexham or Notts are coming up; either of both of whom will be very well heeled.

That's true...but County have a proven track record of fking up any big opportunity they have so I am genuinely not overly worried they will threaten League 2...Wrexham however would spunk loads at it and are a serious threat...and there is no way Parkinson will be in charge at all...or for long next season .

Quoted from Poojah

Very interesting climax to the National League season, at the top end at least. The BBC table remains out of date as others have said, so both Notts County and Wrexham are on 100 points (County top by virtue of their GD of 70 versus Wrexham’s 67 - today’s results saw a 5 goal swing in Notts’ favour), with Wrexham having a game in hand.

The game on Monday afternoon is huge. Should Notts County win, the title would be theirs if they could win their remaining three games against Woking (‘3rd), Maidstone (24th) and York (14th).

A Wrexham win puts things in their hands, though they still have tough games away at Barnet (5th) and at home to Boreham Wood (6th).

If there is a winner, it’s hard to make an argument for whoever it is not winning the title. Wrexham will be the favourites; they haven’t lost at home in any competition since, ooh, about the 28th May last year, but I wonder if the nerves might begin to creep in as the pressure rises. It’d be hard not to have a bit of a complex about what happened that fateful day.

Gut feel says Notts will win on Monday and Wrexham bottle the play-offs. Time will tell. However shít today was, I’m glad we at least don’t have to worry about getting out of that league.

No but we could still worry about going back into that league

Thought this was the Scunthorpe thread?

Ah scunny, no matter how crap yesterday was at BP were not in scunnys position.

I’d genuinely like to congratulate Scunny on matching our achievement last season.

Getting out of the National League at the first opportunity is a stunning accomplishment.

If results go against them on Monday and relegation is confirmed it will be interesting to see if there are any fan protests. Or do they really blame the previous owner more than the current regime?

Quoted from RonMariner

If results go against them on Monday and relegation is confirmed it will be interesting to see if there are any fan protests. Or do they really blame the previous owner more than the current regime?

We didn’t protest when Hurst, Stockwood and Pettit took US down…..

Quoted from RonMariner

If results go against them on Monday and relegation is confirmed it will be interesting to see if there are any fan protests. Or do they really blame the previous owner more than the current regime?

Listened to their manager after the game he seemed in a bad way .
They wont be troubling the top tier of the NLN with him at the helm .So i suppose we wont Mr Hilltop to keep him on as long as possible .

Still think the club possibly goes in May

Quoted from Heisenberg

We didn’t protest when Hurst, Stockwood and Pettit took US down…..

The takeover didn’t officially go through until after our relegation, and that’s no accident.

Our season is fizzling out big time however I’m convinced we’re safe and I think hurst will bring in 4/5 who will be of the required standard to push us on. As for the scunts fuk em I say my memory is long I remember how they laughed at us in our dark times so I’m enjoying their demise big time 😀 see you all at donny 3000 handed I love this club 🤍🖤

Quoted from RonMariner

If results go against them on Monday and relegation is confirmed it will be interesting to see if there are any fan protests. Or do they really blame the previous owner more than the current regime?

There wont be protests Ron . The divisive nature of Swann & now Mr Hiltop has left them mute , lethargic and unable to mobilise the troops (as people have commented on here )
I think crowds will drop badly in the NLN
And thats if they even make it to next season ,we will see after May Day if there new part of the club owner purchases the other assets .
If not the club goes or ends up back with Swann
For my own pleasure i would love it to play out like this :

Hilton cant afford to buy in May
Swann returns telling fans he 'wants to give it another go'

And the show continues with him arguing with fans etc again and takes them 'right through' to the northern premier league .

Quoted from promotion plaice

Not sure if anyone has seen the post reply on the Scunny site to this.

Taken off the fishy forum, one of our seaweed chomping chums posted while out on day release.
However as retarded as the cod head may be its accurate, so get back on the bus, lick the windows and fook off to make plaster scene models n play bingo.

Didn’t realise we were thought of as highly as that , UTM

It’s Plasticine actually.

I can see them suffering a further relegation next season.

Their revenue will be cut and their only income will be from gate receipts and commercial activities. I believe their crowds will fall to below 2,500 maybe even 2,000 and commercial activities will be limited to reduced sales of shirts and pies. With this reduced income they will have to build a full time team because most of this seasons cloggers will retire, be out of contract or are just not good enough.

Despite what their fans think, they will not be a big fish in a small pond and attracting players good enough will be difficult. They are Scunthorpe United, not Wrexham or Stockport County. Playing them will not be every other teams cup final, there are other teams down there that could compete with Scunny, namely Chester, Darlington and Hereford plus there are the likes of Boston and Kidderminster and finally the rising star that is South Shields.

With their owner already trying to cut costs and who doesn't own the ground yet, plus a manager who will be managing full time in the highest division he's ever managed in. A bad start will see them in big trouble. This time next year they could be staring the Northern Premier League in the face.

I love it.

After their relegation will even radio Humberside be broadcasting them next season?

Quoted from Gaffer58

After their relegation will even radio Humberside be broadcasting them next season?

I doubt it . No one seemed to give a toss about Gainsborough when they were in there .

Quoted from It Bites

I doubt it . No one seemed to give a toss about Gainsborough when they were in there .

Maybe radio Nottinghamshire for brief updates ,that will be about it.

Quoted from It Bites

I doubt it . No one seemed to give a toss about Gainsborough when they were in there .

Gainsborough are covered by Radio Lincolnshire. Sometimes it's full match commentaries and other times it's just match updates but they have a member of staff at most games.

I think Humberside will still fully cover Scunthorpe in the NLN but reduce the coverage should they go down again.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Gainsborough are covered by Radio Lincolnshire. Sometimes it's full match commentaries and other times it's just match updates but they have a member of staff at most games.

I think Humberside will still fully cover Scunthorpe in the NLN but reduce the coverage should they go down again.

When they go down.

Just to add my personal opinion. I don’t want then to go out of business, but I do want them to fall as far as possible. Yes.

It would be funny if both Wrexham and Notts County came up.

And

We beat them both in the play offs again. ;D

Scunny fan here: couple of codhead work colleagues told me to look at the thread. Some good points, some stupid ones.

In terms of the New chairman: the fanbase seems to be split, the communication of the move to Ilkeston to train and closing down the academy was hasty and Ill thought. The reaction with the supporters wasn’t great, hence the u-turn. There’s a number of unanswered questions with regards to wealth and can he afford the assets. During an interview with a podcast released last week he stated he had the funds to purchase the ground/land and everything was in order for completion next month; this has to be proven at the stage of buying the club too. There is doubts amongst some whether this will come to fruition, why else would the 1899 scheme be released to conveniently try and raise the same amount the ground is up for sale for. The proof will be in the pudding next month.

With regards to scaling back, it was always going to have to happen. We/and 90% of EFL clubs have lost millions over the last few years and continue to run at a loss. If anything, a relegation to the NLN will probably help our cause as we hardly lose any funding and don’t have to compete with the clubs spending to get out like Wrexham etc. You lot did fantastic escaping at the first attempt and for that your owner/Hurst deserve credit.

What we need is stabilisation across the board. Regardless of what a few in here might believe our supporters have actually backed the club well this year. 20 wins in a 120 odd games and
Some of the worst football you can imagine, yet we’ve still had 3,200 through the gate, 3,600 since Swann left which is still pretty good going for this level. Any sign of success next year and we should be able to get 4K through the door which is almost double the next best attended club.

Overall then, we are heading down to exactly where we deserve to be unfortunately. I’ve seen us when we were arguably the best ran professional club in the country during the 00’s to now quite easily the worst ran club. I hope we rekindle the Lincolnshire derby one day but I don’t imagine that time to be anytime soon.

Quoted from Ironman23

Scunny fan here: couple of codhead work colleagues told me to look at the thread. Some good points, some stupid ones.

In terms of the New chairman: the fanbase seems to be split, the communication of the move to Ilkeston to train and closing down the academy was hasty and Ill thought. The reaction with the supporters wasn’t great, hence the u-turn. There’s a number of unanswered questions with regards to wealth and can he afford the assets. During an interview with a podcast released last week he stated he had the funds to purchase the ground/land and everything was in order for completion next month; this has to be proven at the stage of buying the club too. There is doubts amongst some whether this will come to fruition, why else would the 1899 scheme be released to conveniently try and raise the same amount the ground is up for sale for. The proof will be in the pudding next month.

With regards to scaling back, it was always going to have to happen. We/and 90% of EFL clubs have lost millions over the last few years and continue to run at a loss. If anything, a relegation to the NLN will probably help our cause as we hardly lose any funding and don’t have to compete with the clubs spending to get out like Wrexham etc. You lot did fantastic escaping at the first attempt and for that your owner/Hurst deserve credit.

What we need is stabilisation across the board. Regardless of what a few in here might believe our supporters have actually backed the club well this year. 20 wins in a 120 odd games and
Some of the worst football you can imagine, yet we’ve still had 3,200 through the gate, 3,600 since Swann left which is still pretty good going for this level. Any sign of success next year and we should be able to get 4K through the door which is almost double the next best attended club.

Overall then, we are heading down to exactly where we deserve to be unfortunately. I’ve seen us when we were arguably the best ran professional club in the country during the 00’s to now quite easily the worst ran club. I hope we rekindle the Lincolnshire derby one day but I don’t imagine that time to be anytime soon.

Good sensible post IronMan ,pretty much mirrors my thoughts -I have always taken a keen eye on Scunthorpe Utd with you being our neighbours through the good,bad ,ugly and enjoy the iron bru podcast so know quite a bit more about your team/club than i probably should .

I have to admit i am enjoying your downfall but dont want in Swanns words 'for the club to go ' .

I listened to both Hiltons interviews and was alarmed by the almost instant U turn on everything , appearing to give in to fans demands (which at least show he's listening I guess ) but what would concern me is how quickly he changes his mind on things ,with the impending purchase date approaching .

Another thing that has not realltly been touched on is this 'idea ' he has about loaning 15-25 high end academy players and loaning them out ; i dont see how this would be achievable in NLN .

The ticket scheme seems a massive red flag ,and the academy lads and staff effectively being released on line is not a good look , he did this with your temporary manager on Humberside which I thought fair enough, a one off mistake after taking over in a wirlwind minimal harm done and a bit of leeway given but he seems to have not learnt .

I do hope it works out for you in the long run and you bounce back eventually ,but will continue to use this thread to gloat at your demise .

Quoted from Ironman23

Scunny fan here: couple of codhead work colleagues told me to look at the thread. Some good points, some stupid ones.

In terms of the New chairman: the fanbase seems to be split, the communication of the move to Ilkeston to train and closing down the academy was hasty and Ill thought. The reaction with the supporters wasn’t great, hence the u-turn. There’s a number of unanswered questions with regards to wealth and can he afford the assets. During an interview with a podcast released last week he stated he had the funds to purchase the ground/land and everything was in order for completion next month; this has to be proven at the stage of buying the club too. There is doubts amongst some whether this will come to fruition, why else would the 1899 scheme be released to conveniently try and raise the same amount the ground is up for sale for. The proof will be in the pudding next month.

With regards to scaling back, it was always going to have to happen. We/and 90% of EFL clubs have lost millions over the last few years and continue to run at a loss. If anything, a relegation to the NLN will probably help our cause as we hardly lose any funding and don’t have to compete with the clubs spending to get out like Wrexham etc. You lot did fantastic escaping at the first attempt and for that your owner/Hurst deserve credit.

What we need is stabilisation across the board. Regardless of what a few in here might believe our supporters have actually backed the club well this year. 20 wins in a 120 odd games and
Some of the worst football you can imagine, yet we’ve still had 3,200 through the gate, 3,600 since Swann left which is still pretty good going for this level. Any sign of success next year and we should be able to get 4K through the door which is almost double the next best attended club.

Overall then, we are heading down to exactly where we deserve to be unfortunately. I’ve seen us when we were arguably the best ran professional club in the country during the 00’s to now quite easily the worst ran club. I hope we rekindle the Lincolnshire derby one day but I don’t imagine that time to be anytime soon.

Welcome to the fishy. Very sensible and honest post. I hope this is true and things change for the good if your club

Quoted from Ironman23

Scunny fan here: couple of codhead work colleagues told me to look at the thread. Some good points, some stupid ones.

In terms of the New chairman: the fanbase seems to be split, the communication of the move to Ilkeston to train and closing down the academy was hasty and Ill thought. The reaction with the supporters wasn’t great, hence the u-turn. There’s a number of unanswered questions with regards to wealth and can he afford the assets. During an interview with a podcast released last week he stated he had the funds to purchase the ground/land and everything was in order for completion next month; this has to be proven at the stage of buying the club too. There is doubts amongst some whether this will come to fruition, why else would the 1899 scheme be released to conveniently try and raise the same amount the ground is up for sale for. The proof will be in the pudding next month.

With regards to scaling back, it was always going to have to happen. We/and 90% of EFL clubs have lost millions over the last few years and continue to run at a loss. If anything, a relegation to the NLN will probably help our cause as we hardly lose any funding and don’t have to compete with the clubs spending to get out like Wrexham etc. You lot did fantastic escaping at the first attempt and for that your owner/Hurst deserve credit.

What we need is stabilisation across the board. Regardless of what a few in here might believe our supporters have actually backed the club well this year. 20 wins in a 120 odd games and
Some of the worst football you can imagine, yet we’ve still had 3,200 through the gate, 3,600 since Swann left which is still pretty good going for this level. Any sign of success next year and we should be able to get 4K through the door which is almost double the next best attended club.

Overall then, we are heading down to exactly where we deserve to be unfortunately. I’ve seen us when we were arguably the best ran professional club in the country during the 00’s to now quite easily the worst ran club. I hope we rekindle the Lincolnshire derby one day but I don’t imagine that time to be anytime soon.

Someone has posted about Mr Hiltons (allegedly) previous business -Brittania Law - might be worth a look if you are interested in his past exploits .

https://whocallsme.com/Phone-Number.aspx/08456806308

Allegedly -makes for grim reading

Hope your fans have looked at the whole picture

Allegedly would make the name change make sense

How do you make the link between Britannia Law and David Hilton? He's not listed as an officer of the company unless I missed something?

I’ve said it before every season I want them to get relegation, why wouldn’t you? They’re our rivals aren’t they?

I’m glad they appear to have been saved though I’m not sure why Hilton has bought them? He’s not a supporter of the club and it’s appears a long way back to them being back in the EFL. Also as we take delight in they have a limited supporter base so it’s not like they could come back like Stockport on good gates every week which in turn attracts additional investors.

In the interviews I’ve caught he seems quite pragmatic which doesn’t always sell well with supporters. Let’s see how it pans out, they’re not dead which is a good thing but for a good while yet they’ll definitely be in the pit of despair.

Today looks like it will be the day. A Scunthorpe defeat OR an Aldershot victory sees the Iron relegated to the NLN.

Quoted from Poojah

Today looks like it will be the day. A Scunthorpe defeat OR an Aldershot victory sees the Iron relegated to the NLN.

Not quite, they could still theoretically catch Dorking or Gateshead on 46 points if they win today. Pretty unlikely though.

I think they might well win today, but it is only postponing the inevitable for another few days.

We managed to drop all the way from the championship to the NL, so we know what their fans are going through. But dropping to NLN certainly beats our shambolic decline. Now the question is whether they will even survive. I just don't see why someone not connected to the Town would want to sink £3.6 million into the project.

I watched Wearn’s goal for Gateshead on Friday on social media, definitely looked like the Scunny players didn’t give a sh1t.

Quoted from buckstown

How do you make the link between Britannia Law and David Hilton? He's not listed as an officer of the company unless I missed something?

Its easy enough to find and connect the dots

I would connect the dots and go through the whole process and were think i think it will end up but i can't be bothered to tell the truth -its something that their fans should be doing ,and not following some sort of blind love after Swann ; it might be that its all legitimate and that Mr Hilton is going to make good on all his promises -but i can't help but think thats highly unlikely .

Ron the answer to your last paragraph is- they would not .

I just hope that the Scunthorpe utd fanbase has some fight left ,because my god i think they are going to need it over the coming months .

The train now departing Glumford Park is for the NLN and all stations to the abyss.

The Old Lady has finished her song and has left the house.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I’d genuinely like to congratulate Scunny on matching our achievement last season.

Getting out of the National League at the first opportunity is a stunning accomplishment.

I feel this is worth a bump.

And it's goodbye from me ;D

Congratulations to Scunthorpe.

They have outdone us again, with their rapid descent from the Championship.

A disaster for Scunthorpe. National Leagye North. I would die if we went down to that. No gloating from me though. I feel sorry for their fans. Their club has been ruined.
Lincolnshire derby games look like a thing of the past, unless we get promotion to L1. Only two league teams in the county now. Great shame, IMO.

Regional football! ;D ;D ;D

FGR all but relegated today too. Just need Crawley to go and that would be a good hat trick.

Another Lincolnshire side gets out of the National League at the first attempt.

No joy from me at this. Feel for their fans at what’s happened to their club. It could so easily have been us with back-to-back relegations had we not got rid of Fenty.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

A disaster for Scunthorpe. National Leagye North. I would die if we went down to that. No gloating from me though. I feel sorry for their fans. Their club has been ruined.
Lincolnshire derby games look like a thing of the past, unless we get promotion to L1. Only two league teams in the county now. Great shame, IMO.

Of course there will be a Lincolnshire derby - the Scunts can look forward to Gainsborough, Goole, Winterton Rangers, Brigg Town and Barton Old Boys. Lots of local derby's as they drop down the pyramid!

Perfect day 3 points and Scunthorpe get relegated to regional football

I couldn’t care less to be honest

Quoted from davmariner

No joy from me at this. Feel for their fans at what’s happened to their club. It could so easily have been us with back-to-back relegations had we not got rid of Fenty.

Never forget how they gloated at our demise. Karma.

They've still won more points at home this season than we have.

Quoted from Barrattstander

They've still won more points at home this season than we have.

Yeah, but away points count too, so...

They'll have to win 3 fa cup ties to even get to round 1.

Just imagine the winning prize for your forthcoming season being entry to the National League? Doesn’t bare thinking about.

Quoted from Poojah

Just imagine the winning prize for your forthcoming season being entry to the National League? Doesn’t bare thinking about.

Yeah but we've never been insuch deep excrement as them - imagine the relief of being in NL if you were them...

I am sure that they will keep their hardcore fan base at this level, as Stockport and York did.

Karma at its best.

Although the players need to take a long look at themselves, absolute disgrace the way they capitulated in the last few weeks.
At least they had the foresight to get a manager in who knows his way around that league, will be invaluable when they are going to games via national express as they won't be shelling out for a club bus.

Northampton Fans giving them it right now 😂😂😂😂😂

Let's close the thread, I think the mission has been accomplished now they're down !!

Quoted from acko338

Let's close the thread, I think the mission has been accomplished now they're down !!

Or rename it Scunthorpe RIP ( Relegation In Progress )

Quoted from acko338

Let's close the thread, I think the mission has been accomplished now they're down !!

Nah milk it for all its worth, they would.

Quoted from acko338

Let's close the thread, I think the mission has been accomplished now they're down !!

Totally agree let’s show a bit of class

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll say it again. Swann took GTFC, Gainsborough Trinity to the near reaches of the National League, only to leave them in the doldrums. He is now only 38 games off making a return to NLN!

Should had put my house on it!

Petty boll@cks as far as I concerned. Much rather have our local rivals playing in the same division as us. Local derby games are much more interesting than playing the likes of Stevenage and Crawley.

Thus saga has a way to run yet.

Let's see if Hilton coughs up the £3.6 million to pay off Swann.

And still the BBC can't get the table right!

Ohhhh this Saga will run and run . May could be very interesting

Quoted from RonMariner

Thus saga has a way to run yet.

Let's see if Hilton coughs up the £3.6 million to pay off Swann.

Why would you ? If he does he is absolutely bonkers

just listened to Jimmy 'every sentence needs a cliche' Dean and he was good value.
Good news for Scunts is he's now managing at a level he knows well ;D ;D ;D ;D and he doesn't underestimate the challenge , given the quality of big clubs in that league (namely Scarborough ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D) He's summat else! Long may he reign!

Quoted from forza ivano

just listened to Jimmy 'every sentence needs a cliche' Dean and he was good value.
Good news for Scunts is he's now managing at a level he knows well ;D ;D ;D ;D and he doesn't underestimate the challenge , given the quality of big clubs in that league (namely Scarborough ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D) He's summat else! Long may he reign!

Everyone is lapping up the comment that he knows the NLN well, he has managed 2/3 of a season at that level with the rest of his experience coming at Southern Premier League level or below with Peterborough Sports.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Everyone is lapping up the comment that he knows the NLN well, he has managed 2/3 of a season at that level with the rest of his experience coming at Southern Premier League level or below with Peterborough Sports.

Allegedly Peterborough Sports have gained more points since he left than they did when he was in charge.

He’s a clown. They’re doomed.

Quoted from acko338

Let's close the thread, I think the mission has been accomplished now they're down !!

Agree completely. Too many glaoting comments. People in greenhouses shouldn’t throw stones. This game has a habit of comimg back to bite you. Had it not been for a miracle last season we could still be in the NL.

Just shut this down. We/ve all had our say. Hope Scunthorpe can get back soon.

Quoted from rancido

Of course there will be a Lincolnshire derby - the Scunts can look forward to Gainsborough, Goole, Winterton Rangers, Brigg Town and Barton Old Boys. Lots of local derby's as they drop down the pyramid!

Leagye derbies. This is just the sort of bigoted comment which supports the request to shut down this thread. Have a heart, mate.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

Agree completely. Too many glaoting comments. People in greenhouses shouldn’t throw stones. This game has a habit of comimg back to bite you. Had it not been for a miracle last season we could still be in the NL.

Just shut this down. We/ve all had our say. Hope Scunthorpe can get back soon.

Amen to that! Fishy folks' interest in every gory detail is borderline pathological. Just add some fava beans, wash it down with a little Chianti then move on.

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league-north/attendances

looking at that Scunts will have the biggest support, but not by much, given that they won't have Halifax, York, Wrexham, Chesterfield and Notts Co swelling their average gate

Quoted from hampshiremariner

Leagye derbies. This is just the sort of bigoted comment which supports the request to shut down this thread. Have a heart, mate.

Bigoted lol. It's a town forum discussing scunny, it's a tribal game, of course we are laughing it up!

Quoted from forza ivano

https://www.footballwebpages.co.uk/national-league-north/attendances

looking at that Scunts will have the biggest support, but not by much, given that they won't have Halifax, York, Wrexham, Chesterfield and Notts Co swelling their average gate

1000 Oldham fans there today

More Town fans at Donny than Iron fans at their own place today.

Quoted from hampshiremariner

Leagye derbies. This is just the sort of bigoted comment which supports the request to shut down this thread. Have a heart, mate.

Have a heart pmsl ;D

Anyway I've had this song in my head all day, dont know why

Quoted from hampshiremariner

Agree completely. Too many glaoting comments. People in greenhouses shouldn’t throw stones. This game has a habit of comimg back to bite you. Had it not been for a miracle last season we could still be in the NL.

Just shut this down. We/ve all had our say. Hope Scunthorpe can get back soon.

And with a bit of a miracle they would still be in the NL too.

Cant close this yet , there is the ground buying fiasco to come yet

Quoted from supertown

Cant close this yet , there is the ground buying fiasco to come yet

I'm buying so much popcorn 🍿 I'll not fit through the turnstile at BP next season 😂😂

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=it%27s+over+roy+orbison&docid=603539292771321219&mid=4749EEBDC63D3FA50DA24749EEBDC63D3FA50DA2&view=detail&FORM=VRAASM&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dit%2527s%2Bover%2Broy%2Borbison%26qpvt%3Dit%2527s%2Bover%2Broy%2Borbison%26FORM%3DVDRE

Why close the thread, it’s been entertaining but also informative. The saga isn’t nearly over for Scunny yet. Their relegation, in football rivalry terms is funny but what’s happening at the club is it. We were within a cats whisker of it happening here and still, one of the biggest issues in football is club ownership.

People seem to make a thread about Hollywood FC every week so why close this. I’ve said all along, I’d we could play and lose to scunny every year I’d take that over a excrement game against some pointless team like Crawley or Stevenage…

Keep it open until the club goes .
If they keep going keep the thread.
Too much is going to happen to bin it off

Imagine paying 2 grand to watch NLN football
56 people have done

Quoted from hampshiremariner

Leagye derbies. This is just the sort of bigoted comment which supports the request to shut down this thread. Have a heart, mate.

Do you honestly believe that if the roles were reversed then the Ferrous Fingered bunch down the M180 wouldn't be giving it 'large' on here and the Blast Furnace! They gloated enough when we went non-league, well it's our turn now. What goes around comes around. I don't want SUFC to cease to exist, just, like water, find it's own level and that level is NLN.

Quoted from forza ivano

just listened to Jimmy 'every sentence needs a cliche' Dean and he was good value.
Good news for Scunts is he's now managing at a level he knows well ;D ;D ;D ;D and he doesn't underestimate the challenge , given the quality of big clubs in that league (namely Scarborough ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D) He's summat else! Long may he reign!

I howled at that listening on the way back from Donny.

Everyone else is to blame but me....totally ignoring the fact that Nelson started to get some sort of tune out the players only for the raft of signings to just finish them off. Have any of their signings had a positive impact?

Then that guy rang in from London and got really emotional about it. Hammered home what a football club means to a town and the people, even though he was neither Scunny born or resident. Their demise and shower of performance is hilarious, what's actually going on in the background isn't.

Quoted from Mappers

Imagine paying 2 grand to watch NLN football
56 people have done

Cocaine is a powerful drug…

Quoted from thefish

Cocaine is a powerful drug…

Is that another Jimmy Dean quote?

Quoted from Poojah

Is that another Jimmy Dean quote?

What is the story here? I know his Twitter was a bit of a mess when he joined Scunny but a simple Google search isn't bringing up anything about drugs.

Hilton has changed his mind again. They are keeping the academy ... Has he ever stuck to his
word ?

I'm not sure we can call them rivals anymore when they play at such a level. They are not relevant. I did pop to Glandford Park yesterday on the way home for some jelly and ice cream, but my party hat was not appreciated by the locals. No sense of humour.

If you have a few minutes to spare go on to YouTube and watch the ironarmy video of the interview with the man who saved Oldham Athletic, you will not be disappointed.

Quoted from rancido

Do you honestly believe that if the roles were reversed then the Ferrous Fingered bunch down the M180 wouldn't be giving it 'large' on here and the Blast Furnace! They gloated enough when we went non-league, well it's our turn now. What goes around comes around. I don't want SUFC to cease to exist, just, like water, find it's own level and that level is NLN.

Absolutely mate, I can remember when we went down and there were a few Scunthorpe fans on here gloating, one even private messaged me to gloat and rub it in, so yeah I’m with you.

Quoted from It Bites

Hilton has changed his mind again. They are keeping the academy ... Has he ever stuck to his
word ?

Well he has not stuck to his surnames so probably not

Mayble he will be David North next week in a nod to their new league .

I'm finished laughing and gloating now. I hope they get the background stuff sorted and still have a team to follow. I just hope it stays in non league for a while

Quoted from lukeo

I'm finished laughing and gloating now. I hope they get the background stuff sorted and still have a team to follow. I just hope it stays in non league for a while

We've only just got started, they were absolute di.ks when we dropped down so no empathy from me I'm afraid, long may they suffer, I hate the kunts.

Quoted from lukeo

I'm finished laughing and gloating now. I hope they get the background stuff sorted and still have a team to follow. I just hope it stays in non league for a while

I’m not!

Big game for the Iron Fans to keep tabs on tonight as two teams are battling to make the playoffs with a prize in the NLN up for grabs.

It’s the mighty Radcliffe vs Warrington Rylands.

Quoted from Mappers

Well he has not stuck to his surnames so probably not

Mayble he will be David North next week in a nod to their new league .

* David ‘Jumpers for Goalposts’ North

Quoted from thefish

I’m not!

Big game for the Iron Fans to keep tabs on tonight as two teams are battling to make the playoffs with a prize in the NLN up for grabs.

It’s the mighty Radcliffe vs Warrington Rylands.

Somewhat of a footballing renaissance going on in Warrington right now, with Town in 2nd and the mighty Rylands chasing the Northern Premier League play-off pack. To think Warrington could have two teams above Scunny in the footballing pyramid in the not too distant future is quite something.

Quoted from thefish

I’m not!

Big game for the Iron Fans to keep tabs on tonight as two teams are battling to make the playoffs with a prize in the NLN up for grabs.

It’s the mighty Radcliffe vs Warrington Rylands.

i really, really hope they'v started a thread on this match on their forum ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quoted from Spurn boy

If you have a few minutes to spare go on to YouTube and watch the ironarmy video of the interview with the man who saved Oldham Athletic, you will not be disappointed.

I preferred his match vlog....have watched a few of them over the last few years and seeing how much the guy has lost enthusiasm/lowered his expectations is hilarious. Watching the Wrexham v Notts County game instead of the game he is attending.

He was quite bouncy and cocky when originally doing these vlogs..now he comes across more like the old cartoon character Droopy.

DTI

Quoted from forza ivano

i really, really hope they'v started a thread on this match on their forum ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Radcliffe 's manager is Bobby Grant. I wonder if he gets Shiela to wash the kits?

Rylands sufferc a shock 3.0 home defeat giving fresh hope to fellow play off contenders Hyde, Matlock n Marine. Wonder which of those scunts fans want to go through?

Quoted from forza ivano

Rylands sufferc a shock 3.0 home defeat giving fresh hope to fellow play off contenders Hyde, Matlock n Marine. Wonder which of those scunts fans want to go through?

Won't be Matlock ...too near a bath.

The Southern Premier Central feeds in to the NLN/NLS too.

Coalville, Leiston or Tamworth will win that. Nuneaton and Rushall are the other 2 play-off teams, although Mickleover have a very, very slim chance of making the play-offs.

Quoted from forza ivano

Rylands sufferc a shock 3.0 home defeat giving fresh hope to fellow play off contenders Hyde, Matlock n Marine. Wonder which of those scunts fans want to go through?

Only one gives them an opportunity to play the Mariners next season…

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The Southern Premier Central feeds in to the NLN/NLS too.

Coalville, Leiston or Tamworth will win that. Nuneaton and Rushall are the other 2 play-off teams, although Mickleover have a very, very slim chance of making the play-offs.

Leiston would be appropriate for a club that might be looking to dispose of land next to the ground.

Once upon a time, in 2010, a small town club were living the dream. They were in the Championship and doing well. Their leading scorer was was the third best marksman in the championship. They sold him for £2.4 million at the end of the season.

Their once local rivals were relegated out of the EFL that same year. The club were thus playing three divisions higher than them the following season so were so far above their rivals that it was almost cruel to mock their fans. But that didn't stop some gloaters visiting their rivals forum to rub salt into the wound.

There were those that urged caution, because what goes around comes around. But this advice was not headed. After all, three divisions is a chasm that surely can never be bridged?

Next season the 'rivals' will be two divisions apart.

Quoted from RonMariner

Once upon a time, in 2010, a small town club were living the dream. They were in the Championship and doing well. Their leading scorer was was the third best marksman in the championship. They sold him for £2.4 million at the end of the season.

Their once local rivals were relegated out of the EFL that same year. The club were thus playing three divisions higher than them the following season so were so far above their rivals that it was almost cruel to mock their fans. But that didn't stop some gloaters visiting their rivals forum to rub salt into the wound.

There were those that urged caution, because what goes around comes around. But this advice was not headed. After all, three divisions is a chasm that surely can never be bridged?

Next season the 'rivals' will be two divisions apart.

Or a 5 league swing on the swing-ometer.

Quoted from RonMariner

Once upon a time, in 2010, a small town club were living the dream. They were in the Championship and doing well. Their leading scorer was was the third best marksman in the championship. They sold him for £2.4 million at the end of the season.

Their once local rivals were relegated out of the EFL that same year. The club were thus playing three divisions higher than them the following season so were so far above their rivals that it was almost cruel to mock their fans. But that didn't stop some gloaters visiting their rivals forum to rub salt into the wound.

There were those that urged caution, because what goes around comes around. But this advice was not headed. After all, three divisions is a chasm that surely can never be bridged?

Next season the 'rivals' will be two divisions apart.

Before we get too cocky, at that moment in time they hadn’t done anything wrong yet on the football or financial side; this was pre-Swann and whether we like it not what they were doing on the pitch was an achievement for said small town football club.

And it’s now 13 years since 2010, in which time we’ve spent 7 seasons in non-league and another 6 finishing 14th or below in League Two. We might better that this season, but only just. Yes, we’ve never dropped to the depths Scunny are now at, but we’ve been dire in the main.

By all means laugh at Scunny if that’s your thing but the self congratulation needs to wait until we’ve had another promotion or two above this level. Let’s not be seen patting ourselves on the back for being the tallest dwarf.

You can take it as laughing if you want, or as a cautionary tale about hubris.

Quoted from RonMariner

Once upon a time, in 2010, a small town club were living the dream. They were in the Championship and doing well. Their leading scorer was was the third best marksman in the championship. They sold him for £2.4 million at the end of the season.

Their once local rivals were relegated out of the EFL that same year. The club were thus playing three divisions higher than them the following season so were so far above their rivals that it was almost cruel to mock their fans. But that didn't stop some gloaters visiting their rivals forum to rub salt into the wound.

There were those that urged caution, because what goes around comes around. But this advice was not headed. After all, three divisions is a chasm that surely can never be bridged?

Next season the 'rivals' will be two divisions apart.

All sounds a bit familiar doesn't it? Small town club punching above their weight in the championship for a while exceeding the expectations of pundits and media. Sold most of their best players off for decent fees and then got mismanaged into non-league over a period of time. Not reached those dizzying heights again over the last 20 years so perhaps it shows to enjoy your time in the sun while it's there because it could be a long time before those times come back, if ever.

I think it all goes to show that however talented the players, manager and coaching staff are from time to time, its the owners that really determine the fate of a club in the long term. Scunthorpe is a case study in good verses poor ownership. As others have pointed out, they were once just about the best run club in the EFL but recently have become the worst. What the previous owner has done to that club is a tragedy for their loyal fans. It could easily have happened to us.

I wonder of this sign will be changed next season?

PROUD members of The Vanarama National League North.

Well proud!

Quoted from RonMariner

I think it all goes to show that however talented the players, manager and coaching staff are from time to time, its the owners that really determine the fate of a club in the long term. Scunthorpe is a case study in good verses poor ownership. As others have pointed out, they were once just about the best run club in the EFL but recently have become the worst. What the previous owner has done to that club is a tragedy for their loyal fans. It could easily have happened to us.

And what their current primary funder is going to do remains to be seen ........

Quoted from RonMariner

I think it all goes to show that however talented the players, manager and coaching staff are from time to time, its the owners that really determine the fate of a club in the long term. Scunthorpe is a case study in good verses poor ownership. As others have pointed out, they were once just about the best run club in the EFL but recently have become the worst. What the previous owner has done to that club is a tragedy for their loyal fans. It could easily have happened to us.

They had a model , a good one Ron .
Then somebody with a gambling problem who had literally been given a warchest by his wife to probably 'have a bit of fun ' has destroyed their club in the process -it could have been us but 2 lifelong fans -the telegraph journo and Lloyd Griffith saved us from that potential fate ;no one is saving them at the moment as they are not even questioning anything of this new regime which i find completely bizarre as its not all its cracked up to be with him , the proof will come when he has to make up a 3.4 million pound shortfall which i am assuming he thought the fans would lap up with the 2k season tickets.

Or he might just have a way to pay up ?
Stranger things have happened

Quoted from Mappers

They had a model , a good one Ron .
Then somebody with a gambling problem who had literally been given a warchest by his wife to probably 'have a bit of fun ' has destroyed their club in the process -it could have been us but 2 lifelong fans -the telegraph journo and Lloyd Griffith saved us from that potential fate ;no one is saving them at the moment as they are not even questioning anything of this new regime which i find completely bizarre as its not all its cracked up to be with him , the proof will come when he has to make up a 3.4 million pound shortfall which i am assuming he thought the fans would lap up with the 2k season tickets.

Or he might just have a way to pay up ?
Stranger things have happened

Even if he has the money, which I doubt , why would you ? It’s nonsensical

Quoted from supertown

Even if he has the money, which I doubt , why would you ? It’s nonsensical

It's just odd . In an interview he said he did it because he wants to make a difference , a legacy for his family? I genuinely hope it all works out for him and Scunthorpe but as my dear old dad said today " the only thing worth having is the land " and he's a Scunny fan

28th March 2018 - Scunthorpe United (Peter Swann) sacks manager Graham Alexander despite the club sitting 5th in League One with 7 games to go.

His league record at the time of his sacking...
Played 94
Won 46 (48.9%)
Drew 25
Lost 23 (24.5%)
GD +48 (+0.51 per game)
Points 163 (1.73 PPG)

Scunthorpe's league record since his sacking...
Played 225
Won 51 (22.7%)
Drew 56
Lost 118 (52.4%)
GD -154 (-0.68 per game)
Points 209 (0.93 PPG)

Paul Hurst managed 30 of those games and managed 33 points (1.1 PPG) with a GD of -6 (-0.2 per game).
In the other 195 matches they managed 176 points (0.90 PPG) with a GD of -148 (-0.76 per game).

Also worth noting that Paul Hurst managed 8 cup matches for Scunthorpe winning 4 and drawing 1. Since he was sacked they've played 12 cup matches and have drawn 1 and lost the other 11..

Quoted from GollyGTFC

28th March 2018 - Scunthorpe United (Peter Swann) sacks manager Graham Alexander despite the club sitting 5th in League One with 7 games to go.

His league record at the time of his sacking...
Played 94
Won 46 (48.9%)
Drew 25
Lost 23 (24.5%)
GD +48 (+0.51 per game)
Points 163 (1.73 PPG)

Scunthorpe's league record since his sacking...
Played 225
Won 51 (22.7%)
Drew 56
Lost 118 (52.4%)
GD -154 (-0.68 per game)
Points 209 (0.93 PPG)

Paul Hurst managed 30 of those games and managed 33 points (1.1 PPG) with a GD of -6 (-0.2 per game).
In the other 195 matches they managed 176 points (0.90 PPG) with a GD of -148 (-0.76 per game).

Also worth noting that Paul Hurst managed 8 cup matches for Scunthorpe winning 4 and drawing 1. Since he was sacked they've played 12 cup matches and have drawn 1 and lost the other 11..

I was only thinking the other day that Scunny’s problems started with the sacking of Graham Alexandra who had taken them on a run of 20 something games without defeat before a fallout with Swann, I think the decision to sack him was the start of their downfall.

Quoted from Spurn boy

I was only thinking the other day that Scunny’s problems started with the sacking of Graham Alexandra who had taken them on a run of 20 something games without defeat before a fallout with Swann, I think the decision to sack him was the start of their downfall.

It over that sacking that Swann had a go at Jeff Stelling on air for questioning the decision.

Quoted from RonMariner

It over that sacking that Swann had a go at Jeff Stelling on air for questioning the decision.

IIRC the spat between Swann and Stelling was when Wilcox was sacked

Strange isn't it, great to see Scunny go down again, and yet I think we will miss them.

Lincoln we are coming for you.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Strange isn't it, great to see Scunny go down again, and yet I think we will miss them.

Lincoln we are coming for you.

It’s not that long ago that we were a Town promotion and Hull relegation away from being in the same division as the mudrats, scunts and gimps. Would have been great to see; will probably never happen again now.

Quoted from pizzzza

IIRC the spat between Swann and Stelling was when Wilcox was sacked

I stand corrected!

They’re not really rivals if you don’t play them. That said a few years in purgatory so we can have a good laugh at them if and when we do meet again would be quite nice.

Quoted from Poojah

It’s not that long ago that we were a Town promotion and Hull relegation away from being in the same division as the mudrats, scunts and gimps. Would have been great to see; will probably never happen again now.

Must have happened a few times back in the late 80's. Donny in the mix too I'd have thought.

Just checked. 89/90 was the last time us, Scunny, Lincoln were in the same division (Four). Hull were in the second tier then.

The next season we were in the third tier and secured back-to-back promotions but the selfish Mudrats dropped out the second tier to avoid us in 91/92.

Quoted from Spurn boy

I was only thinking the other day that Scunny’s problems started with the sacking of Graham Alexandra who had taken them on a run of 20 something games without defeat before a fallout with Swann, I think the decision to sack him was the start of their downfall.

I think it started with this incident. People talk about running over a black cat as being harbinger of doom. They had to go one further...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/19486989

Scunny's demise is so horrific I actually find it difficult to take any pleasure from.

They had many play-off adventures, went to Wembley a number of times, had three seasons in the Championship, beat Newcastle in a league game, played Chelsea and Man City in cup games, had strikers like Martin Paterson, Billy Sharpe and Gary Hooper on their books.

They also had Andy Keogh and Paul Hayes. I mean, the striking talent they had was some of the best around. They bought well, sold even better and seemed to have a conveyor belt of talent to rely on.

Even when they suffered relegation back to L2, they were straight back up to L1 again and competing in the play-offs. Never has a turning point been so obvious than the sacking of Alexander. The stats Poojah has churned out are truly startling.

Quoted from RichMariner

Scunny's demise is so horrific I actually find it difficult to take any pleasure from.

They had many play-off adventures, went to Wembley a number of times, had three seasons in the Championship, beat Newcastle in a league game, played Chelsea and Man City in cup games, had strikers like Martin Paterson, Billy Sharpe and Gary Hooper on their books.

They also had Andy Keogh and Paul Hayes. I mean, the striking talent they had was some of the best around. They bought well, sold even better and seemed to have a conveyor belt of talent to rely on.

Even when they suffered relegation back to L2, they were straight back up to L1 again and competing in the play-offs. Never has a turning point been so obvious than the sacking of Alexander. The stats Poojah has churned out are truly startling.

I agree mostly, their fans have seen their club go into some incredible death spiral brought about by one mans stupidity and ineptitude.

Paul Hayes can do one though, I still remember his smug 'Have GTFC been relegated yet, just asking..' Tweet on our last fall into the abyss.
I'd post the link but after his old club followed us a year later, then fell into the Northern non-league hellhole he's put his Twitter onto private.
Dishes it out, can't take it back, the tool.

Quoted from Poojah

It’s not that long ago that we were a Town promotion and Hull relegation away from being in the same division as the mudrats, scunts and gimps. Would have been great to see; will probably never happen again now.

In an ideal world you would have us in league 1 with Lincoln, our neighbours , Hull , Donny , Notts County , Mansfield , Bradford , Sheff wed and Rotherham .

Thar scenario is light years away now , but in the not so distant past could have been a possibilty if the stars had alligned ; a shame they did not really .

Their at the perfect level now for us to loan a load of our development players to get games at a decent level.

I'd like to see us milk that for youngsters like Braithwaite, Goundry and Essel. Perfectl development team for us really.

Quoted from lukeo

3-0 up at home... Lost 4-3. Can we all just take a moment and... Laugh.

Can we all just take a moment to reflect on the fact this original post has been on the go since August and still not finished,

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Their at the perfect level now for us to loan a load of our development players to get games at a decent level.

I'd like to see us milk that for youngsters like Braithwaite, Goundry and Essel. Perfectl development team for us really.

A fine idea but they’d need to go through a thorough decontamination process to ensure there were no traces of scunt left on them before being reintegrated into the group.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Their at the perfect level now for us to loan a load of our development players to get games at a decent level.

I'd like to see us milk that for youngsters like Braithwaite, Goundry and Essel. Perfectl development team for us really.

I`m not sure that that level is good enough for our players and that Scunny may not be able to offer football that would challenge our youngsters ;)

Quoted from Spurn boy

Can we all just take a moment to reflect on the fact this original post has been on the go since August and still not finished,

It's been that long I didn't even realise I started this thread!

It’s getting very interesting at the bottom. Gateshead have pulled well clear after looking in grave danger. Torquay have given themselves a chance by winning four on the bounce when they looked dead in the water.

It’s not so long ago that the Scunts looked to have a chance themselves. After that 4-1 win they were only 4 points from safety, with four winnable looking games to come. As it turned out they got only one point from those games, a truly shambolic effort. I wonder how many of their current squad with be with them next season. Or indeed how many of them the fans would want to retain. Assuming they survive of course. I hope they do, but it is far from a given at this point.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Just checked. 89/90 was the last time us, Scunny, Lincoln were in the same division (Four). Hull were in the second tier then.

The next season we were in the third tier and secured back-to-back promotions but the selfish Mudrats dropped out the second tier to avoid us in 91/92.

2004/05: Us, Scunny, Lincoln AND Boston all in League 2

Of course! I erased that season from memory with Scunny going up and us playing a very small part in that by drawing with Southend on the final day, although they were in shocking form before they played us anyway and had well and truly shot themselves in the foot.

Thankfully they recovered for the play-offs and beat Lincoln in the final.

Someone told me yesterday that according to IronBru podcasts this guy Hilton has changed his name a few times.

Anyone else heard this?

Used to be David Travelodge gone upmarket

I wouldn't worry about them now . They are gloating at teams fans in the NLN that they're going to be the team to beat and how they're going to smash attendance records etc🙄😂😂😂. They remind me of lemmings right now

Quoted from RonMariner

Someone told me yesterday that according to IronBru podcasts this guy Hilton has changed his name a few times.

Anyone else heard this?

Its public knowledge like i have put before , if you do half an hours digging its public knowledge .

Someone who obviously wants to take him down is on that iron bru forum posting essay format stuff about it all ,obviously spending a bit more time than the half an hour i did .

From what i have seen Mr White ,Hilton,Anderson etc has probably not done anything illegal but certainly things that would be deemed frowned upon and morally questionable as to whether you would wanting him running your club .

Saying all that I am just waiting to see whether he raises the 3.4mill to buy the assets , because the 58 golden tickets are not going to touch the sides .

There’s a few going after Hilton, which I can understand and having shared a beer with a scunt last week, he, along with others remains very sceptical. They’re his club, and like us, he will forever support them but he’s holding off on making a decision on a season ticket until there’s some confirmation as to where they’ll be playing next year.

Changing you name doesn’t always mean a bad thing but you can understand why people are cynical where Hilton is concerned.

They were never shifting many of those fancy season tickets and if the plan was to raise some capital to purchase the land etc then you’d have to say it was a shite idea. Hilton claims he has the money but is unlikely to get his hands on it by the deadline Swann has set…not sure why that date has been set but Swann has said he’s not prepared to budge.

It’s flipping hilarious that they’ve been relegated from a football/rivalry perspective and as typical football fans, my mate has been very much in the gallows humour camp regarding it but as a football fan, what is happening to scunny is a flipping disgrace and even though some think they’ve been saved, I’m not so sure myself…

Quoted from aldi_01

There’s a few going after Hilton, which I can understand and having shared a beer with a scunt last week, he, along with others remains very sceptical. They’re his club, and like us, he will forever support them but he’s holding off on making a decision on a season ticket until there’s some confirmation as to where they’ll be playing next year.

Changing you name doesn’t always mean a bad thing but you can understand why people are cynical where Hilton is concerned.

They were never shifting many of those fancy season tickets and if the plan was to raise some capital to purchase the land etc then you’d have to say it was a shite idea. Hilton claims he has the money but is unlikely to get his hands on it by the deadline Swann has set…not sure why that date has been set but Swann has said he’s not prepared to budge.

It’s flipping hilarious that they’ve been relegated from a football/rivalry perspective and as typical football fans, my mate has been very much in the gallows humour camp regarding it but as a football fan, what is happening to scunny is a flipping disgrace and even though some think they’ve been saved, I’m not so sure myself…

Yeah , i think their season ticket cut off line for purchases is well before (end of this month i believe) the time of the potential sale of assets , so if you leave it until after then you will be paying a higher price , and quite a few I understand are reluctant to part with their cash before the confirmation of sale ; why would you ?

Another bad move

Seen a lot of comments on social media from Scunny fans thinking they'll walk our league.

They will get a shock and half when there playing the likes of Curzon Ashton/Brackley & Peterborough Sports in front of a few hundred fans.

Looking forward to a weekend in Grimsby and doing Scunny away when we have them.

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Seen a lot of comments on social media from Scunny fans thinking they'll walk our league.

They will get a shock and half when there playing the likes of Curzon Ashton/Brackley & Peterborough Sports in front of a few hundred fans.

Looking forward to a weekend in Grimsby and doing Scunny away when we have them.

Cleethorpes would be a better option.

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Seen a lot of comments on social media from Scunny fans thinking they'll walk our league.

They will get a shock and half when there playing the likes of Curzon Ashton/Brackley & Peterborough Sports in front of a few hundred fans.

Looking forward to a weekend in Grimsby and doing Scunny away when we have them.

And if you have done Scunny, wear your shirt and you probably won't have to buy a drink all night. The enemy of our enemy is our friend.

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Seen a lot of comments on social media from Scunny fans thinking they'll walk our league.

They will get a shock and half when there playing the likes of Curzon Ashton/Brackley & Peterborough Sports in front of a few hundred fans.

Looking forward to a weekend in Grimsby and doing Scunny away when we have them.

They will be fortunate if they make it to your leagus mate

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Seen a lot of comments on social media from Scunny fans thinking they'll walk our league.

They will get a shock and half when there playing the likes of Curzon Ashton/Brackley & Peterborough Sports in front of a few hundred fans.

Looking forward to a weekend in Grimsby and doing Scunny away when we have them.

A bit negative to talk about next season in NLN when you are out of the play-offs by -1 goal difference and when games in hand are factored in you could end up 5th or 6th. Trust me, you can win a play-off from 6th!

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Seen a lot of comments on social media from Scunny fans thinking they'll walk our league.

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Yes, I remember the same comments from them at the end of last season too…

I saw someone saying they'd be a massive scalp as they were still seen as a Championship level team......

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I saw someone saying they'd be a massive scalp as they were still seen as a Championship level team......

LOL!
they weren't even seen as a Championship level team when they were IN the championship!!

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I saw someone saying they'd be a massive scalp as they were still seen as a Championship level team......

Fake news lol

A Scunthorpe supporting friend of mine has been a season ticket holder for nigh on 50 years.
He is a handicapped person who requires private car parking. The current discount offer for next season tickets ends this Friday.
His total discount cost including private parking is £400.
Get this, he has been told it must be in cash as they don't have the facility for card payments.
So a handicapped supporter has to go to the bank to get the cash.
By the way he lives in Barton, so he has to drive to Scunthorpe as well, before Friday.

All this talk by scunny fans saying how they’d walk the league has proved correct, only trouble is the other teams in the league were running.

Quoted from cannylad65

A Scunthorpe supporting friend of mine has been a season ticket holder for nigh on 50 years.
He is a handicapped person who requires private car parking. The current discount offer for next season tickets ends this Friday.
His total discount cost including private parking is £400.
Get this, he has been told it must be in cash as they don't have the facility for card payments.
So a handicapped supporter has to go to the bank to get the cash.
By the way he lives in Barton, so he has to drive to Scunthorpe as well, before Friday.

Disgusting if true.

Quoted from cannylad65

A Scunthorpe supporting friend of mine has been a season ticket holder for nigh on 50 years.
He is a handicapped person who requires private car parking. The current discount offer for next season tickets ends this Friday.
His total discount cost including private parking is £400.
Get this, he has been told it must be in cash as they don't have the facility for card payments.
So a handicapped supporter has to go to the bank to get the cash.
By the way he lives in Barton, so he has to drive to Scunthorpe as well, before Friday.

I wonder how many ST they will sell with that ending so early , it's not right what is going on there really , the boo boos are just stacking up almost dailly it seems and fans are rightly annoyed about this season ticket cut off deadline .

Lets hope there is not a 3.4 million parnnd (pound) disaster in a few weeks time , i just cant see how in his own words 'a not particularly wealthy' owner is going to raise that amount of capital in a few weeks ; if he had it straight up surely he would have made the purchase and not launched the golden ticket scheme - they have raised about 100k from the scheme so far , it won't even touch the sides as I am assuming his hope was to sell a decent amount of them and make up a more realistic shortfall from other avenues.

It's going to be carnage
They wont be a Championship club again

Quoted from Mappers

I wonder how many ST they will sell with that ending so early , it's not right what is going on there really , the boo boos are just stacking up almost dailly it seems and fans are rightly annoyed about this season ticket cut off deadline .

Lets hope there is not a 3.4 million parnnd (pound) disaster in a few weeks time , i just cant see how in his own words 'a not particularly wealthy' owner is going to raise that amount of capital in a few weeks ; if he had it straight up surely he would have made the purchase and not launched the golden ticket scheme - they have raised about 100k from the scheme so far , it won't even touch the sides as I am assuming his hope was to sell a decent amount of them and make up a more realistic shortfall from other avenues.

It's going to be carnage
They wont be a Championship club again

I’m not sure they’ll be a club full stop for much longer.

Maybe they could arrange some friendlies against Bury for something to do next season…..

Quoted from Mappers

I wonder how many ST they will sell with that ending so early , it's not right what is going on there really , the boo boos are just stacking up almost dailly it seems and fans are rightly annoyed about this season ticket cut off deadline .

Lets hope there is not a 3.4 million parnnd (pound) disaster in a few weeks time , i just cant see how in his own words 'a not particularly wealthy' owner is going to raise that amount of capital in a few weeks ; if he had it straight up surely he would have made the purchase and not launched the golden ticket scheme - they have raised about 100k from the scheme so far , it won't even touch the sides as I am assuming his hope was to sell a decent amount of them and make up a more realistic shortfall from other avenues.

It's going to be carnage
They wont be a Championship club again

For the sake of their fans, the new owner should come clean about the club's financial state, and the ownership of Glanford Park. He already has a track record of changing his mind, in so few weeks in charge, so some candid frankness about the full state of the club would not go amiss, nor would his intentions for the club.

Quoted from cannylad65

A Scunthorpe supporting friend of mine has been a season ticket holder for nigh on 50 years.
He is a handicapped person who requires private car parking. The current discount offer for next season tickets ends this Friday.
His total discount cost including private parking is £400.
Get this, he has been told it must be in cash as they don't have the facility for card payments.
So a handicapped supporter has to go to the bank to get the cash.
By the way he lives in Barton, so he has to drive to Scunthorpe as well, before Friday.

In scunny defence a number of teams are having to do this has a certain merchant is refusing to transfer all the money to clubs but on a match to match basis, therefore if the club does not receive full st money there is no point in them discounting the cost. It’s something to do with the credit card garentee that should a club fail to fulfill a season than they could claim a refund from the credit card company. We wait to see if town will be in that boat once season tickets are released certainly Lincoln are
.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

In scunny defence a number of teams are having to do this has a certain merchant is refusing to transfer all the money to clubs but on a match to match basis, therefore if the club does not receive full st money there is no point in them discounting the cost. It’s something to do with the credit card garentee that should a club fail to fulfill a season than they could claim a refund from the credit card company. We wait to see if town will be in that boat once season tickets are released certainly Lincoln are
.

Yes i have found it strange ,its happening at a few clubs .

Ironically Scunthorpe Utd could be the one club where not offering the service actually does make sense .

But i think with their fans the issue is more the deadline i believe normally cut of time is normally the end of May/June for their early bird tickets but is now 6-8 weeks earlier which is a big difference + the fact the deadline is only available well before the 24th May purchase date cut off point .

On another note if you have some spare time the Ilkeston Town catering manager is now posting on the Iron Bru site , telling their fans how Mr White is the best thing since slice bread .

You could not make it up

Quoted from Mappers

On another note if you have some spare time the Ilkeston Town catering manager is now posting on the Iron Bru site , telling their fans how Mr White is the best thing since slice bread .

You could not make it up

It's all too forced and unprofessional isn't it . Based on every thing I've read and seen since the take over , I'm guessing Scunny will be non league for many years to come .

Yeovil's relegation confirmed last night too, it was only 10 years ago in 2013, that Yeovil beat Brentford 2-1 in the L1 play off final to reach The Championship, How fortunes have changed for both teams since.

Non football
*league. Sorry. Non league, carry on.

So Scunthorpes academy is saved ? Or is it ? . Allegedly they will be playing in the JPL next season . Any grass roots team can do that . It's called The Junior Premier League but it's just grass roots football. Basically any grass roots team can now take Scunnys players and I've heard that some have gone already . I'm guessing the club will charge for the privilege to turn out for the mighty iron too . I shall watch with interest ............ When does that land need paying for ?

Quoted from Mappers

On another note if you have some spare time the Ilkeston Town catering manager is now posting on the Iron Bru site , telling their fans how Mr White is the best thing since slice bread .

...and sliced bread is the basis for a number of tasty, nutricious dishes like cheese on toast...

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

...and sliced bread is the basis for a number of tasty, nutricious dishes like cheese on toast...

I prefer my bread like my golf shots, no slices.....

They are shafted , some of their regulars seem to have smelt the gravy and are starting to realise it's probably unlikely that their new custodian will be able to raise the 3.4 million quid .

The golden tickets are not going well 58 sold but many have not paid yet , my god that idea has backfired .

They are gone Ron
The final nail is now upon them

With Scunny and Yeovil added there will be 10 former EFL sides in the National League North next year so it’s no easy place to get out off. Alan see that Weymouth who we played last Year are bottom of the National League South and down again.

Quoted from HerveJosse

With Scunny and Yeovil added there will be 10 former EFL sides in the National League North next year so it’s no easy place to get out off. Alan see that Weymouth who we played last Year are bottom of the National League South and down again.

I can't see Yeovil being in The National League North next season!

Quoted from Les Brechin

I can't see Yeovil being in The National League North next season!

Well Gloucester and Hereford are but point taken. Should probably be called the National League anywhere thats difficult to travel to section.

Quoted from HerveJosse

With Scunny and Yeovil added there will be 10 former EFL sides in the National League North next year so it’s no easy place to get out off. Alan see that Weymouth who we played last Year are bottom of the National League South and down again.

That’s a grim statistic, and a reminder of how things could have been in a parallel universe without the takeover a couple of years ago. Yeovil will presumably be in the National League South, but still 9 out of 24 is not an insignificant number.

Scunny
Chester
Scarborough
Darlington
Kiddy
Hereford
Boston
Bradford PA
Southport

You’re going back a bit since BPA and Southport were in the league, but there’s some well supported clubs there, relatively speaking. Half the division have average gates above 1,000 - given the disarray they are in, next season will be no cake walk. Assuming they make it that far.

Quoted from Poojah

That’s a grim statistic, and a reminder of how things could have been in a parallel universe without the takeover a couple of years ago. Yeovil will presumably be in the National League South, but still 9 out of 24 is not an insignificant number.

Scunny
Chester
Scarborough
Darlington
Kiddy
Hereford
Boston
Bradford PA
Southport

You’re going back a bit since BPA and Southport were in the league, but there’s some well supported clubs there, relatively speaking. Half the division have average gates above 1,000 - given the disarray they are in, next season will be no cake walk. Assuming they make it that far.

Sadly I am old enough to remember us losing at home to Southport in the Mcmenemy championship season one of only two defeats and not long before that finishing second bottom of Div 4 with BPA bottom so both still resonate with me.

I can remember Bradford Park Avenue playing Bradford City in the now championship in front of 40,000 fans.

Quoted from grimsby pete

I can remember Bradford Park Avenue playing Bradford City in the now championship in front of 40,000 fans.

Easy for those under the age of 50, myself included, to overlook that Bradford Park Avenue were once a serious club with a cracking old ground. Bits of it are still there, I believe.

Quoted from Poojah

Easy for those under the age of 50, myself included, to overlook that Bradford Park Avenue were once a serious club with a cracking old ground. Bits of it are still there, I believe.

Not a big fan of those function chairs behind stands. Very much the vogue in the 1950's but dated as hell now, could use that space for a Fanzone.

Quoted from Poojah

Easy for those under the age of 50, myself included, to overlook that Bradford Park Avenue were once a serious club with a cracking old ground. Bits of it are still there, I believe.

I played cricket there in the seventies when the football stands were still there but BPA had gone under. The cricket club ( clubhouse) was also the main student night out venue when I was there.I think it’s now or was an indoor cricket school.

Quoted from HerveJosse

I played cricket there in the seventies when the football stands were still there but BPA had gone under. The cricket club ( clubhouse) was also the main student night out venue when I was there.I think it’s now or was an indoor cricket school.

Is the clubhouse the Craven Cottage like structure in the front left of the model? If not, what is it?

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Is the clubhouse the Craven Cottage like structure in the front left of the model? If not, what is it?

Don’t think so as I remember it unlike other shared football cricket grounds like Bramhall Lane it was not a three sided football ground it was more like Headingley with one stand fronting both the football and cricket ground back to back with the pavilion elsewhere on the cricket section

Have you got any before and after pictures of the old showground?

We need a before one of Glumford park to .......

I will get my coat

Quoted from Poojah

Easy for those under the age of 50, myself included, to overlook that Bradford Park Avenue were once a serious club with a cracking old ground. Bits of it are still there, I believe.

I know very little of BPA. That ground really is a belter, I agree.

Quoted from Heisenberg

I know very little of BPA. That ground really is a belter, I agree.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Designed by Archibal Leitch who built Hampden Park and other famous stadiums

Bloody hell, I didn’t know that either!

I love stadiums and their history, but this one is new to me.

Shame the scunts wont have the opportunity to play there next season. They will have a lovely day out at the soulless athletics stadium that Bradford pa now use

The reliable rumours are now that Swann will be back in situ before the month is out .

Hilton has gone missing .

You could not make this lot up .

Quoted from Mappers

The reliable rumours are now that Swann will be back in situ before the month is out .

Hilton has gone missing .

You could not make this lot up .

My almost 100% correct source hit me with this this morning but then about 2 hours later said the rumours are just flying around. Hilton basically doesn’t have the money to give Swann for the ground so suggestion is that he’s off with his begging bowl.

It’s a mess. No other way to describe it.

Forgot to add, there’s a trans scunny fan that is relatively prominent along their fans on Twitter…they’re comparing how many dicks they’ve had against goals scored is my understanding…the whole thing is mental…

The old Bradford Park Avenue football ground is virtually dismantled. The adjacent cricket playing surface is in regular use, including for Yorkshire second team. The cricket terraces are still there but in poor state of repair.

Remember seeing Kevin Hector playing there in 1960s. He went to Derby for big money and was a prolific goalscorer.

I wonder if scunny’s latest defeat will be their last ever game at glanford park…..

The scale of their failure is stunning. They are 20 points behind Dorking for Christ’s sake. To finish on less than 40 points in the NL is incredible. What a disaster.

Just listening to Dean, hes completely out of his depth.he sounds lost n clueless

Interesting that he mentioned finn shrimpton disobeyed orders n was the only player to come out n acknowledge the fans. Hopefully that's a sign that he wont be there next season

Hearing Neil Cox descibe the last minute pitch invasion as "embarrassing" was that extra bit of gold dust today 🤣

Quoted from moosey_club

Hearing Neil Cox descibe the last minute pitch invasion as "embarrassing" was that extra bit of gold dust today 🤣

For me the gold dust was "look, I've got about 9 players injured, apparently."

Quoted from forza ivano

Just listening to Dean, hes completely out of his depth.he sounds lost n clueless

I'm sure in his interview on RH after today's game he actually said something like "I dont want to be too harsh on the players but... I'm flogging a dead horse" ;D

Quoted from pizzzza

I'm sure in his interview on RH after today's game he actually said something like "I dont want to be too harsh on the players but... I'm flogging a dead horse" ;D

'We have 9 players out injured ,some of them are injured apparently '

If the club survives (doubtful) I can see him and this chairman taking them right through to whatever league is below the NLN .

They are gone Ron

Scunthorpe United sound like a club and a side so broken that they’ll need a massive effort to ensure they stay in NLN. I’m not having a pop for once but the rebuild required just to get stability sounds like a job beyond Jimmy Dean.

James Dean, rock on...

Big rumour that Taft dropped a dumb bell on his foot along with some others purposely getting injured.

flipping disaster of a season from start to finish…

Jimmy Dean.... doesn't even sound like a football manager.

That's the name of a sh1t Butlins comic.

Quoted from Total Hawsehole

James Dean, rock on...

Ha! "and where do we go from here....."

We can all mock Jimmy Dean, but he’s an ex semi-pro footballer who became a semi-pro manager who had got a job at a professional club. He hasn’t been given media training to teach him how to give boring interviews. He sounds like a guy who starts a sentence before he’s worked out how to end it. In a world of dull interviewees churning out the same answers it’s kind of refreshing to hear his answers even if he does come over a bit naive at times.

But you only have to look at his record and promotions at Peterborough Sports to know he’s a good manager and if he’s given a decent hand to play next season he’ll do well in a really tough division. Unfortunately NLN is a higher standard than NLS where often there’s a team running away with your title by 20 points so it will difficult to get into the playoff mix given the mess they are in so close to the end of the season when recruitment starts.

My guess is that next season they go part-time. The chaos continues and they get relegated again. I've enjoyed this fall from grace but it is getting to a point now where I'd like Scunny to get some stability and turn into a club that is at least vaguely competitive in non-league. Having said that I will be trooping down to Farsley Celtic to watch them play Scunny next season for a laugh.

I see in NLN that Kevin Phillips has parted company with the newly promoted South Shields, from the article I read it seems like it was a club led decision with an eye on trying to run more sustainably with academy focused rather than "signjngs".
Sounds very familiar..

Quoted from horsforthmariner

My guess is that next season they go part-time. The chaos continues and they get relegated again. I've enjoyed this fall from grace but it is getting to a point now where I'd like Scunny to get some stability and turn into a club that is at least vaguely competitive in non-league. Having said that I will be trooping down to Farsley Celtic to watch them play Scunny next season for a laugh.

They will receive their 2nd season parachute payment. Only around £325,000, but a big advantage over the rest of the division. I think I heard on a podcast that their are 4 fully pro clubs in NLN and several who are hybrid. Going semi-pro would make an already difficult task even harder.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

They will receive their 2nd season parachute payment. Only around £325,000, but a big advantage over the rest of the division. I think I heard on a podcast that their are 4 fully pro clubs in NLN and several who are hybrid. Going semi-pro would make an already difficult task even harder.

Yeah their last parachute payment they better make better use of it than last year!

Quoted from toontown

Yeah their last parachute payment they better make better use of it than last year!

They’ll need it to pay rent to Brigg Town.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

We can all mock Jimmy Dean, but he’s an ex semi-pro footballer who became a semi-pro manager who had got a job at a professional club. He hasn’t been given media training to teach him how to give boring interviews. He sounds like a guy who starts a sentence before he’s worked out how to end it. In a world of dull interviewees churning out the same answers it’s kind of refreshing to hear his answers even if he does come over a bit naive at times.

But you only have to look at his record and promotions at Peterborough Sports to know he’s a good manager and if he’s given a decent hand to play next season he’ll do well in a really tough division. Unfortunately NLN is a higher standard than NLS where often there’s a team running away with your title by 20 points so it will difficult to get into the playoff mix given the mess they are in so close to the end of the season when recruitment starts.

He got a job at a professional club? Who was that?

Quoted from toontown

Yeah their last parachute payment they better make better use of it than last year!

The problem with the parachute at Gloomford Park, is no Scunt knows how to pull the cord, as they continue to fall!

Quoted from exiledmeggie

The problem with the parachute at Gloomford Park, is no Scunt knows how to pull the cord, as they continue to fall!

It’s currently being made by wile e coyote and those at the acme corporation. So will possibly have an anvil instead

Quoted from Titty

Scunny fan in peace.
Been following this thread as you lot talk more sense and got yourv eyes more open than anyone on the bru/scunny fans fb page as to what's going on.

Anyway here's a link to dodgy dave's past,to give you all a laugh at what we're lumbered with.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jyzDdHxN5t0F6oWHZ7WaYDyAqNKct_0biIZYDPFri3s/mobilebasic

Is there an owners/directors test to consider whether they are suitable at NL level?

Quoted from Titty

Scunny fan in peace.
Been following this thread as you lot talk more sense and got yourv eyes more open than anyone on the bru/scunny fans fb page as to what's going on.

Anyway here's a link to dodgy dave's past,to give you all a laugh at what we're lumbered with.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jyzDdHxN5t0F6oWHZ7WaYDyAqNKct_0biIZYDPFri3s/mobilebasic

I heard him in an interview that he wants to leave a legacy for his children. It looks like he might of had a checkered past but I wouldn't expect him to lie about his children. I think most Town fans genuinely want to see it all work out off the pitch . On the pitch I certainly hope you keep falling. Based on Facebook and various other groups your fans and very divided, which is odd really as you nearly went bust

Quoted from Titty

Scunny fan in peace.
Been following this thread as you lot talk more sense and got yourv eyes more open than anyone on the bru/scunny fans fb page as to what's going on.

Anyway here's a link to dodgy dave's past,to give you all a laugh at what we're lumbered with.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jyzDdHxN5t0F6oWHZ7WaYDyAqNKct_0biIZYDPFri3s/mobilebasic

I had seen a few of these bits as someone is going in to it all in great detail on Iron Bru .

It is wait and see now ,the 24th May is the cut off line for purchase so see if he can make up the shortfall

I still think it was a case of Swann handing him the keys with the memo of 'do your worst'
But time will tell .

Quoted from Titty

Scunny fan in peace.
Been following this thread as you lot talk more sense and got yourv eyes more open than anyone on the bru/scunny fans fb page as to what's going on.

Anyway here's a link to dodgy dave's past,to give you all a laugh at what we're lumbered with.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jyzDdHxN5t0F6oWHZ7WaYDyAqNKct_0biIZYDPFri3s/mobilebasic

The National League should be brought to book for allowing this to happen. What a complete and utter mess. And even Peter Swann should have known better than to deal with people like this.

The fact that ‘Hilton’ is a known alias is astonishing to me.

Wow, if that is all true then May 24th looks like being a massive day in the history of SUFC.
Only thing missing was the name May for a full house of dodgy activity. Must stress it may not all be factually correct

Quoted from Titty

Scunny fan in peace.
Been following this thread as you lot talk more sense and got yourv eyes more open than anyone on the bru/scunny fans fb page as to what's going on.

Anyway here's a link to dodgy dave's past,to give you all a laugh at what we're lumbered with.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jyzDdHxN5t0F6oWHZ7WaYDyAqNKct_0biIZYDPFri3s/mobilebasic

Welcome TITTY
If it gets to depressing there’s a few restricted view available in the main stand

wow ! Just wow.
Now even i feel for the scunts now.
They are deffo doomed with this cowboy in charge🤠 🫨

Alex May would probably have second thoughts about getting involved with this guy .

That's 1 chequered past. I wouldn't trust him to put my wheelie bin out.

Back to footie, n hope humberside will be giving scunts fans updates on the matches that matter to them

Bamber Bridge v Gainsborough and Warrington v Matlock in the play offs! Bet they cant wait for a trip to bamber bridge or warrington😄😄😄

Someone posted the David White link that was put on here on the Iron Bru site

It has been removed sharpish

The Fishy admin might be getting another email from a supposed primary funder .

The show goes on

Quoted from Titty

Scunny fan in peace.
Been following this thread as you lot talk more sense and got yourv eyes more open than anyone on the bru/scunny fans fb page as to what's going on.

Anyway here's a link to dodgy dave's past,to give you all a laugh at what we're lumbered with.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jyzDdHxN5t0F6oWHZ7WaYDyAqNKct_0biIZYDPFri3s/mobilebasic

Why would any Scunny fans part with their hard earned cash and buy a season ticket for next season after reading everything on that link regarding Dynamic Dave who hasn’t even bought the club yet but apparently ST sales are going remarkably well. Makes you wonder how stupid Scunny supporters really are.

They have touched 700 +59 golden ones now .

It's looking more and more unlikely they will see next season .

I see this new guy stepping away now with all the abuse he's taking , even putting aside potential past misdemeanors .

Hilton is no better than Swann, or at least that’s how I see it. They may be different folk but the club is no better off with him.

Hilton makes fake Twitter accounts and just writes pro Hilton stuff, slags off scunny fans who dare to challenge and then deletes them, sets another up and uses the same wording. All a bit weird, I know Fenty and his acolytes had fake accounts but at least he’s ruined the club for a few years first, Hilton has only just got involved.

What that list of misdemeanours proves is that the so called fit and proper tests are useless…

No idea about the veracity of the claims against this guy in the posted document, but it has occurred to me that he could have just been put in as a figurehead to run interference for the previous owner. Looks certain to me the ground will be gone and sold for construction in due course - this guy, whatever his name, could end up being the scapegoat for the demise of the club before disappearing off back into obscurity.

I've thought it for months, but I think the only real hope for the Scunny fans in the future is a phoenix club. Whether or not there are enough fans with the wherewithal and time to set up and run such a club is a different matter.

Quoted from Maringer

No idea about the veracity of the claims against this guy in the posted document, but it has occurred to me that he could have just been put in as a figurehead to run interference for the previous owner. Looks certain to me the ground will be gone and sold for construction in due course - this guy, whatever his name, could end up being the scapegoat for the demise of the club before disappearing off back into obscurity.

I've thought it for months, but I think the only real hope for the Scunny fans in the future is a phoenix club. Whether or not there are enough fans with the wherewithal and time to set up and run such a club is a different matter.

That Alan Hardy is piping up in defence of White to, and everyone knows his track record .

It is a mess , whatever way you look at it and has fragmented what is an already split fanbase even more .

I cannot see any way this ends well .

IF all these claims about White are true , did he not think former enemies would be chomping at the bit to expose his past ?
Or maybe as you say he is a plant , time will tell .

But if it does go through and he somehow finds the funds to make up the shortfall would you really be comfortable with him being in situ as your chairman ?

Quoted from Mappers

That Alan Hardy is piping up in defence of White to, and everyone knows his track record .

It is a mess , whatever way you look at it and has fragmented what is an already split fanbase even more .

I cannot see any way this ends well .

IF all these claims about White are true , did he not think former enemies would be chomping at the bit to expose his past ?
Or maybe as you say he is a plant , time will tell .

But if it does go through and he somehow finds the funds to make up the shortfall would you really be comfortable with him being in situ as your chairman ?

Personally I’m VERY comfortable with where he is right now.

Quoted from Mappers

That Alan Hardy is piping up in defence of White to, and everyone knows his track record .

It is a mess , whatever way you look at it and has fragmented what is an already split fanbase even more .

I cannot see any way this ends well .

IF all these claims about White are true , did he not think former enemies would be chomping at the bit to expose his past ?
Or maybe as you say he is a plant , time will tell .

But if it does go through and he somehow finds the funds to make up the shortfall would you really be comfortable with him being in situ as your chairman ?

I've noticed that Alan Hardy and Simon Elliott are both trying to tame supporters on Twitter. Hardy has been involved in Ilkeston too so will definitely know David Whatshisname in some way or another. I think both Hardy and Elliott are trying to maintain an amicable relationship with Hilton to rescue the club when it all goes pear shaped, again.

The Hilton bid was £1m more than what the local consortium was willing to pay according to Hardy. Whilst £1m will have been very handy to Swann and tempting to accept, in my opinion owners have a duty to ensure due diligence is done. If some random member of a forum can build a dossier that concerning, surely the lawyers for Swann could have found that out and advised accordingly.

The suggestion on here that Hilton is a plant is looking increasingly plausible. What happens to the 59 gullible people who have parted with £1899 when it doesn't buy the stadium? Do they get a refund?

You would expect a credible new owner to not be faced with a card payment issue to the extent that fans HAVE to pay in cash. This strongly suggests also that the finance industry is incredibly suspicious of Hilton.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I've noticed that Alan Hardy and Simon Elliott are both trying to tame supporters on Twitter. Hardy has been involved in Ilkeston too so will definitely know David Whatshisname in some way or another. I think both Hardy and Elliott are trying to maintain an amicable relationship with Hilton to rescue the club when it all goes pear shaped, again.

The Hilton bid was £1m more than what the local consortium was willing to pay according to Hardy. Whilst £1m will have been very handy to Swann and tempting to accept, in my opinion owners have a duty to ensure due diligence is done. If some random member of a forum can build a dossier that concerning, surely the lawyers for Swann could have found that out and advised accordingly.

The suggestion on here that Hilton is a plant is looking increasingly plausible. What happens to the 59 gullible people who have parted with £1899 when it doesn't buy the stadium? Do they get a refund?

You would expect a credible new owner to not be faced with a card payment issue to the extent that fans HAVE to pay in cash. This strongly suggests also that the finance industry is incredibly suspicious of Hilton.

Mr White claimed he did not know Alan Hardy ...
And then pictures of them enjoying games of golf emerged .
He claims he has never known Peter Swann to .

I think it's all going to end up very messy before they kick a ball in the NLN.

When people first started saying Hilton was a plant, I thought that was an incredibly complicated and machiavellian for a non-league club land-grab, like one of those US melodramas....but.....it's looking more and more likely I have to admit. Just how much has Swann managed to progress with a potential sale etc behind closed doors and out of the spotlight whilst the wheels fell off?

tbf I might pitch the Scunthorpe story to apple tv, it would make a good series!

New pre match team walk out song for them next season !!

Status Quo - Down Down, Deeper and Down !!

The show is unfolding on twitter now
Crikey
Lots of newly created accounts threatening people who are challenging / using this alleged info about Mr White somebody even claiming they have been given the old 'we know where you live ' line
I am getting some popcorn

Quoted from Mappers

The show is unfolding on twitter now
Crikey
Lots of newly created accounts threatening people who are challenging / using this alleged info about Mr White somebody even claiming they have been given the old 'we know where you live ' line
I am getting some popcorn

Nothing on tv where do I find all this scandal on twitter

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Nothing on tv where do I find all this scandal on twitter

You can make a start with Hardy's - replying and arguing with fans on his replies

You can follow it from there i will have a look later as I can't remember the fake accounts but will link them to you later very worrying for them if this is/has links to Hilton .

It is fairly clear now Hardy is involved in some capacity as he is defending Mr White the Hilt -
The 3 amigos
Swann
Hardy
White
It could not be could it ?

Quoted from Mappers

You can make a start with Hardy's - replying and arguing with fans on his replies

You can follow it from there i will have a look later as I can't remember the fake accounts but will link them to you later very worrying for them if this is/has links to Hilton .

This Harry Gresham (@HarryGreshamIlk) considers himself a very good friend of David Whatshisname. He created his account this month, follows 3 accounts linked to Britain First, which is in line with Jimmy Deans views.

If you Google "Harry Gresham Ilkeston" all of the search results are for the BBC presenter Harry Gration who recently passed away.

Could get confusing on the terraces if this David fella did ever bring any success back to Scunthorpe.

“There’s only onnne…. wait, THREE? David Hilton’s!”

What the jimmy dean drugs/Britain first links.
Not seen them mentioned anywhere but here?

Quoted from Titty

What the jimmy dean drugs/Britain first links.
Not seen them mentioned anywhere but here?

Jimmy Dean's Twitter account, which has since been deleted, was somewhat questionable for someone in charge of a professional football club.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Jimmy Dean's Twitter account, which has since been deleted, was somewhat questionable for someone in charge of a professional football club.

Unless that club was Crawley...

I thought we'd got some resemblance of normality after Swann left, but nope.

There is no evidence that Mr Gresham is a mate of Hilton's, but him and the others have cropped up over recent weeks, causing division. Whoever is doing it, for whatever purpose, needs to stop. Then we have those making cryptic comments about Hilton's past coming back to get him and I don't know what to think.

A lot in that dossier is unsubstantiated, but his record at Companies House is shoddy and the telephone scam stuff, which appear to be linked to him is eyebrow raising.

To say I am concerned is an understatement.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I thought we'd got some resemblance of normality after Swann left, but nope.

There is no evidence that Mr Gresham is a mate of Hilton's, but him and the others have cropped up over recent weeks, causing division. Whoever is doing it, for whatever purpose, needs to stop. Then we have those making cryptic comments about Hilton's past coming back to get him and I don't know what to think.

A lot in that dossier is unsubstantiated, but his record at Companies House is shoddy and the telephone scam stuff, which appear to be linked to him is eyebrow raising.

To say I am concerned is an understatement.

No offense mate ( which means I'm going to offend) . Your fan base are as wet as the sea we play next too . Heads in sand .

They are not wanting to listen to concerns, because they are (as of now) able to be dismissed as internet rumours and it's easier to think we are ok than contemplate that it might not be.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

They are not wanting to listen to concerns, because they are (as of now) able to be dismissed as internet rumours and it's easier to think we are ok than contemplate that it might not be.

Not sure of your level of support for Scunny but would you part with your money for a Season Ticket given the shite that is flying about at the moment?

No, but a lot of that is down to the fact I cannot afford it right now, especially since I live outside of Scunthorpe.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

especially since I live outside of Scunthorpe.

They say there’s a silver lining in every cloud…

As Nigel Tufnell might say…..

The question is how black can it get? The answer is none. None more black.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

No, but a lot of that is down to the fact I cannot afford it right now, especially since I live outside of Scunthorpe.

Miss Scunthorpe.

Not a beauty pageant just fu(king good advice

Fast forward to 19:15 tomorrow when the full time whistle blows at Dorking and Scunthorpe United officially become a National League North Club.

Rewind a little bit to 17:30 when Dorking Wanderers v Scunthorpe United kicks off, Winterton Rangers could have been promoted to the Northern Premier League East Division if they win their Promotion/Relegation Play-Off against Coggleshall Town of the Isthmian League. If Winterton Rangers get promoted, just two divisions separate them and Scunthorpe United next season.

All Winterton Aren't We?

Won't two divisions separate Scummy from Code Town and Grimsby Borough anyway

Journalist at The Athletic just tweeted this. (He's now deleted it, was just about 4 clubs not paid wages and one he mentioned Scunthorpe, the others was Southend and Yeovil.)

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Won't two divisions separate Scummy from Code Town and Grimsby Borough anyway

Yes, Winterton are playing for the opportunity to play in the same league as Clee and Borough. North Ferriby will be joining them in that league next season too.

They haven't won in April since 2018!

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Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Won't two divisions separate Scummy from Code Town and Grimsby Borough anyway

When Darlington went down to NLN, they got wound up, lost their ground and ended up at step 9. That's Winterton Rangers / Bottesford / Barton Town level around here

Quoted from bedders78

When Darlington went down to NLN, they got wound up, lost their ground and ended up at step 9. That's Winterton Rangers / Bottesford / Barton Town level around here

Recent precedent is mixed; the Macclesfield phoenix club got to come in at step 9, but Bury AFC had to start at step 10. North Ferriby had to restart at step 10 too, but the original club was kicked out of the NPL.

Staff paid , players Not paid apparently .

It's getting extremely worrying for them over there now , i think this is the third month in a row that wages are late .

The silence is deafening from Mr White after all the rumours and allegations ; I would have expected an official statement on their site dispelling it all .

My god they are in a mess .

They've all been paid now

Quoted from Mappers

Staff paid , players Not paid apparently .

It's getting extremely worrying for them over there now , i think this is the third month in a row that wages are late .

The silence is deafening from Mr White after all the rumours and allegations ; I would have expected an official statement on their site dispelling it all .

My god they are in a mess .

Maybe the players are paid on results and performances ....that would explain why their pay packets are empty this month.

Quoted from It Bites

They've all been paid now

Yeah I have seen that ,wonder why its always late though?
Not long until D Day for them now one way or another on the 24th May .

You can see why players are "apparently" injured when the owner can't be bothered to pay them on time.

I’m not sure if this shows how well Wrexham and Notts County have done or how badly Scunny have been but I’ve just calculated that if Scunny were given 9 points for a win and 3 for a draw they’d still only be third with 102 points! 🤔

In Swann's final interview with iron bru he said ' who would want to be the owner of a club when all you do is get abused , and have to make up a million pound shortfall every year , there is just nothing there at the moment , no one wants to buy Scunthorpe ..... Its a great asset with THE LAND and we have planning on that and various other bits and pieces '

The land and stadium site is key to whatever happens , there is no way White is doing it for his love of our neighbours .

3.4million reasons why I think now more than ever the club goes .

You e got to hope that Shrimpton is thinking wtf is going on, if hes not being paid on time. Playing for an honest, straightforward, knows what hes doing manager, backed by responsible owners at a higher level, must surely because better option?

Is Shrimpton any good? I’ve not seen any reports highlighting him as being outstanding in that team and he’s just been involved in back to back relegations.

You won't be surprised to learn that Scunny are losing again.

Quoted from mariner91

Is Shrimpton any good? I’ve not seen any reports highlighting him as being outstanding in that team and he’s just been involved in back to back relegations.

He looked good on loan at Clee and was putting in some solid performances for Gainsborough but it's a big jump up. With some proper training (I've heard a horror story about Musselwhite's keeper coaching recently) and a decent mentality about the place, he could come good.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

He looked good on loan at Clee and was putting in some solid performances for Gainsborough but it's a big jump up. With some proper training (I've heard a horror story about Musselwhite's keeper coaching recently) and a decent mentality about the place, he could come good.

That's an enormous jump though. It's a big jump from the NL to then being good enough for a team with promotion aspirations in L2, let alone from two divisions below that. We're already fairly heavily stocked with midfielders but are lacking quality in that area, I'd be underwhelmed if we added another player in that position who'd been playing three divisions below us as recently as December. Maybe I'm wrong and he's got huge potential but not being good enough for the team who have finished 23rd in the NL (as in he was loaned out for the first half of the season) doesn't fill me with confidence that he's FL standard or even really close to that.

Quoted from mariner91

That's an enormous jump though. It's a big jump from the NL to then being good enough for a team with promotion aspirations in L2, let alone from two divisions below that. We're already fairly heavily stocked with midfielders but are lacking quality in that area, I'd be underwhelmed if we added another player in that position who'd been playing three divisions below us as recently as December. Maybe I'm wrong and he's got huge potential but not being good enough for the team who have finished 23rd in the NL (as in he was loaned out for the first half of the season) doesn't fill me with confidence that he's FL standard or even really close to that.

He will be 21 at the end of August, so he's suddenly not a young kid. He did well at Gainsborough, not seen him for Scunny but I do think he's better than Gallimore who has just turned 20.

That's some going from them this season. Not just to be relegated, but to be relegated by 16 points! ;)

Quoted from Les Brechin

That's some going from them this season. Not just to be relegated, but to be relegated by 16 points! ;)

Bit unfair that Les.

Don't forget their -38:goal difference as well. 🤪

Just watched a couple of YouTube videos and one was the Iron Army which is done by a guy called Gareth who was videoing their game at Dorking and showed a fan in a Scunny shirt with the no 8 on his back with the word above it We and the word below it Codheads, in effect We 8 Codheads. Nice to know they still have an affection for us.

Quoted from Spurn boy

Just watched a couple of YouTube videos and one was the Iron Army which is done by a guy called Gareth who was videoing their game at Dorking and showed a fan in a Scunny shirt with the no 8 on his back with the word above it We and the word below it Codheads, in effect We 8 Codheads. Nice to know they still have an affection for us.

I went in the McDonald’s near their ground one day about 15 years ago and saw a teenager with a shirt saying exactly the same.

We might have 200 pages on this thread, but trust me, the real obsession is still theirs.

Quoted from forza ivano

You e got to hope that Shrimpton is thinking wtf is going on, if hes not being paid on time. Playing for an honest, straightforward, knows what hes doing manager, backed by responsible owners at a higher level, must surely because better option?

SHRIMPton netted by the Mariners, oh the IRONy.

Shrimpton is nowere near good enough for you lot or league two football.

Quoted from Titty

Shrimpton is nowere near good enough for you lot or league two football.

That's what i thought , unless the plan is to loan him out and develop him -do you think he can cut it in the NL ?

Today will be an exciting day for Scunthorpe. They’ll find out which of Warrington or Bamber Bridge and Nuneaton & Rushall Olympic they’ll be facing next season!

I think he would hold his own in that league with better players around him,would be ok for a mid table team.But if you had ambitions of been up the top end and getting out of the league he wouldn't cut it.

You didn't give McAtee much praise when we signed him.

If we are interested in Shrimpton, then I'd trust the judgement of PH over some fans who are used to seeing mostly dross for a few seasons.

Shrimpton is certainly better than most of our up and coming players .I'd be surprised if we didn't try to sign him . I can't see us been interested in any of the other dross though .

Quoted from ginnywings

You didn't give McAtee much praise when we signed him.

If we are interested in Shrimpton, then I'd trust the judgement of PH over some fans who are used to seeing mostly dross for a few seasons.

Always liked McCatee as a player,just seemed disinterested when playing for us,but was definitely a player in there.

For balance a fair majority of our fans didn't rate Ivan Toney because he goes down to easy etc so wouldn't trust there judgment,they just like to say anyone who leaves us is trash.

Fans see what they want to see in the context of their own team and if the team is struggling they don't think much of them. They also don't look at a players potential like a scout or a footy manager would.

I'm getting worried.. a Scunthorpe fan named 'titty' talks more sense then half of the fishy ;D

Quoted from lukeo

I'm getting worried.. a Scunthorpe fan named 'titty' talks more sense then half of the fishy ;D

Yeah, but it's not a high bar.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Yeah, but it's not a high bar.

Not high enough for Scunny's strikers :X

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Not high enough for Scunny's strikers :X

Do they have any?

After today's results Scunny fans must be salivating at the thought of trips to Rushall Olympic (capacity 1980) & Warrington Town (Cantilever park! with its capacity of 2200

Quoted from forza ivano

After today's results Scunny fans must be salivating at the thought of trips to Rushall Olympic (capacity 1980) & Warrington Town (Cantilever park! with its capacity of 2200

So next season Scunny are in level 6 and newly promoted Winterton Rangers are in level 8, possible very local derby the following season then.

Quoted from It Bites

Shrimpton is certainly better than most of our up and coming players .I'd be surprised if we didn't try to sign him . I can't see us been interested in any of the other dross though .

How do you know? How many times have you seen him play, and how many times have you seen our young pros?

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Do they have any?

They have all been on strike

Running out of time 23 days until the cut off line , a clueless manager with a questionable owner and fans divided down the middle .
Where next for Scunthorpe Utd ?
How do they get out of it ?

Quoted from Mappers

Running out of time 23 days until the cut off line , a clueless manager with a questionable owner and fans divided down the middle .
Where next for Scunthorpe Utd ?
How do they get out of it ?

I still think the local consortium and/or Alan Hardy have a part to play in all of this. The only question is, will Scunthorpe United be salvageable or will they be setting up a phoenix club instead?

Hopefully Jimmys name tops the released list for starters.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I still think the local consortium and/or Alan Hardy have a part to play in all of this. The only question is, will Scunthorpe United be salvageable or will they be setting up a phoenix club instead?

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to see things having a happy conclusion for Scunny, which to me would look something like retaking ownership of the ground, steadying the club’s finances, a season or three’s consolidation in the NLN before an eventual promotion back to the National League where anything thereafter would be a bonus.

That’s still a fairly depressing short-term future for the club, but yet it also seems incredibly optimistic. Regrettably, things going completely títs up in the summer, one way or another, seems far more likely.

The requirement for a phoenix club isn’t certain just yet, but it’s not unforeseeable either. It may already be happening, but if it is I haven’t seen it, the fan base should already be making clear and concrete plans for that eventuality. How would the club be financed from the get go? Where would they play? What league would they enter into, and what are the entry requirements?

A quick and organised phoenix club can be a very effective solution. Wimbledon are the gold standard though others, like Darlington and more recently Macclesfield, have also made a decent stab at it. But it would be naive to assume that it’s necessarily quick or easy to organise; just look at the hash Bury fans have made of it.

If I’m speaking out of turn then I am happy to be corrected, but I don’t see this kind of proactive thinking from the Scunny collective. Rather they are haplessly and helplessly spiralling towards oblivion, sleepwalking from one crisis into the next. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, they need a fúcking rocket, that lot.

Quoted from Poojah

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to see things having a happy conclusion for Scunny, which to me would look something like retaking ownership of the ground, steadying the club’s finances, a season or three’s consolidation in the NLN before an eventual promotion back to the National League where anything thereafter would be a bonus.

That’s still a fairly depressing short-term future for the club, but yet it also seems incredibly optimistic. Regrettably, things going completely títs up in the summer, one way or another, seems far more likely.

The requirement for a phoenix club isn’t certain just yet, but it’s not unforeseeable either. It may already be happening, but if it is I haven’t seen it, the fan base should already be making clear and concrete plans for that eventuality. How would the club be financed from the get go? Where would they play? What league would they enter into, and what are the entry requirements?

A quick and organised phoenix club can be a very effective solution. Wimbledon are the gold standard though others, like Darlington and more recently Macclesfield, have also made a decent stab at it. But it would be naive to assume that it’s necessarily quick or easy to organise; just look at the hash Bury fans have made of it.

If I’m speaking out of turn then I am happy to be corrected, but I don’t see this kind of proactive thinking from the Scunny collective. Rather they are haplessly and helplessly spiralling towards oblivion, sleepwalking from one crisis into the next. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, they need a fúckibg rocket, that lot.

The Apathy is frightening but how many serious fans have they got ? 1500 ? 2000 at a push . Simpletons is probably to harsh but my god they're lapping it all up

Quoted from Poojah

It’s becoming increasingly difficult to see things having a happy conclusion for Scunny, which to me would look something like retaking ownership of the ground, steadying the club’s finances, a season or three’s consolidation in the NLN before an eventual promotion back to the National League where anything thereafter would be a bonus.

That’s still a fairly depressing short-term future for the club, but yet it also seems incredibly optimistic. Regrettably, things going completely títs up in the summer, one way or another, seems far more likely.

The requirement for a phoenix club isn’t certain just yet, but it’s not unforeseeable either. It may already be happening, but if it is I haven’t seen it, the fan base should already be making clear and concrete plans for that eventuality. How would the club be financed from the get go? Where would they play? What league would they enter into, and what are the entry requirements?

A quick and organised phoenix club can be a very effective solution. Wimbledon are the gold standard though others, like Darlington and more recently Macclesfield, have also made a decent stab at it. But it would be naive to assume that it’s necessarily quick or easy to organise; just look at the hash Bury fans have made of it.

If I’m speaking out of turn then I am happy to be corrected, but I don’t see this kind of proactive thinking from the Scunny collective. Rather they are haplessly and helplessly spiralling towards oblivion, sleepwalking from one crisis into the next. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, they need a fúcking rocket, that lot.

They appear to have quite a divided fanbase, so any phoenix club is likely to be more Bury than Darlington and Macclesfield in my opinion.

The conversations I’ve had about phoenix clubs and the like is definitely more Bury than Wimbledon. There’s plenty lapping up the Hilton stuff but there’s equally some that are very cynical and cautious about it, which is entirely understandable.

Wages weren’t paid on time again, another poor excuse given and then fans find out the owner who says he’s got no money or can’t find it in time has a new £400k car…I don’t begrudge him that if he’s paid for it but it’s be hard to swallow as a scunny fan…

Quoted from Poojah

If I’m speaking out of turn then I am happy to be corrected, but I don’t see this kind of proactive thinking from the Scunny collective. Rather they are haplessly and helplessly spiralling towards oblivion, sleepwalking from one crisis into the next. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, they need a fúcking rocket, that lot.

It's absolute luck of the draw when it comes to this kind of thing.  AFC Wimbledon as the gold standard of a phoenix club had the fortunate situation, if you can even dream of calling it that, of already having mobilised themselves against Winkleman and his plans.  They were already organised and collectively united.  They had been for a few years prior to forming AFC.

Honest truth, if Fenty had gone through with his shacking up with Alex May and we found ourselves without a club in everyway bar the name...what would have happened?  What would have happened if Stockwood and Pettit hadn't have found themselves introduced by Tom Schutes?  What would have happened had Lloyd Griffith played his part in leaking the story and James Findlater ran with it, which in turn exposed Fenty and made GTFC and NE Lincs no longer viable as a football club or place to live/do business respectively?

Would we have rallied behind the Mariners Trust to burn Fenty at the stake, or formed AFC Grimsby which would have played out of a packed Bradley every other week in the Northern Premier?  I'm not so sure we would have done.  We tolerated an awful lot of Fenty in 20 years and you can almost see his actions getting bolder and bolder over time, he gained confidence from the apathy.

I genuinely don't know we, or a lot of other fanbases, would have had the ability to rally round a cause.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Scunny fanbase need to decide now if they want to fight or not.  I just don't think it's that easy.  Quite a lot of mentions about a split fanbase.  It's classic divide and conquer isn't it?  You split your potential enemies in half and you let them fight amongst themselves whilst you put your feet up.   Someone (be it individually or collectively) are getting a great tune out of the Scunny fans.  As james points out, see Bury for a great example of how this works.

Southend Utd could be the next one they have been hit with another winding up order . A shame the game is in such a mess lower down the pyramid .

I seem to think that some of those behind AFC Wimbledon were actually very well-off types, working in the City. It obviously will have taken a lot of work to get it all organised and keep it running, but having a bit of money behind you and not needing to worry about keeping food on the table would allow a bit more time to spend thinking about things.

Not likely to be the case in Scunny.

Yeah, even the two lads who were looking favourites the buy the club first time round (Sharp the film producer and the other guy who was MD of a few car dealerships, forget his name!!).

Both of them are probably wealthy rather than minted. I don't think 1878 are excessively cash rich, more so than the Scunny lads, but they've got connections which count for just as much I reckon.

Quoted from aldi_01

The conversations I’ve had about phoenix clubs and the like is definitely more Bury than Wimbledon. There’s plenty lapping up the Hilton stuff but there’s equally some that are very cynical and cautious about it, which is entirely understandable.

Wages weren’t paid on time again, another poor excuse given and then fans find out the owner who says he’s got no money or can’t find it in time has a new £400k car…I don’t begrudge him that if he’s paid for it but it’s be hard to swallow as a scunny fan…

Wow some car what is it .?

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Wow some car what is it .?

A DeLorean, set to travel back to March 2018, the day before Swann sacked Graham Alexander I'd bet.

Scunny announced their retained list.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement/

The two players I believe we're interested in picking up, Shrimpton and Wilson, have had a contract extension activated and a new contract offered respectively.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Scunny announced their retained list.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement/

The two players I believe we're interested in picking up, Shrimpton and Wilson, have had a contract extension activated and a new contract offered respectively.

And I have no doubt that those players will be f#cking thrilled with their new situation!

Been a tough few years for Elliot Whitehouse. Like he’s under a gypsy’s curse.

Quoted from Poojah

Been a tough few years for Elliot Whitehouse. Like he’s under a gypsy’s curse.

LOL!!!!!

Quoted from diehardmariner

Scunny announced their retained list.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement/

The two players I believe we're interested in picking up, Shrimpton and Wilson, have had a contract extension activated and a new contract offered respectively.

Wasn't gallimore meant to be rated as well? It looks like he has been released

This whole payment deadline thingy, when you submit these multi-million £ bids for a company isn't there some form of proof required that you either have the money or access to the money before the bid can be accepted, like when buying a house? If so then its all even more questionable

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

This whole payment deadline thingy, when you submit these multi-million £ bids for a company isn't there some form of proof required that you either have the money or access to the money before the bid can be accepted, like when buying a house? If so then its all even more questionable

1) The deadline has been set by Swann I am assuming to purchase the whole asset .
2) It's difficult to know what will happen as 'proof of funds' is required by FFP which Hilton said he has 'gone through the process' . Where I struggle is the grey are of 'proof of funds ' I am talking about below the EPL - It seems to me like this is not neccesarilly 'cash ready ' money but could be assets ,loans etc that a wannable owner may not have or never had to be able to leverage against buying a club .

It will be interesting to see if they make that deadline on the 24th May

What a massive squad 16 players released and 20 either under contract or getting a contract (although a lot of them are young pros)

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

What a massive squad 16 players released and 20 either under contract or getting a contract (although a lot of them are young pros)

They also say that they expect some contracted players to leave the club, so it looks like a huge clear out.

Quoted from RonMariner

They also say that they expect some contracted players to leave the club, so it looks like a huge clear out.

I would think any relegation clauses that would be triggered again would hit any player who signed a couple of seasons ago pretty hard so no doubt they will want to be off on their toes anyhow.

Any of their recent players would need a long dettol bath before seeking new clubs as they must all reek of relegation.

What’s more bonkers is that some fans are annoyed players are being let go etc. mind blowing…I’d want the lot gone, top to bottom…

Quoted from aldi_01

What’s more bonkers is that some fans are annoyed players are being let go etc. mind blowing…I’d want the lot gone, top to bottom…

Agree Aldi. In 2021, when people were a bit disappointed that Hewitt hadn’t re-signed, I wasn’t remotely bothered. I wanted them all gone, all of them. I wanted the scars of the horror of another relegation from the League ripped out of the club. I was surprised Waterfall didn’t find a new club that summer, he’s the only one who rebuilt his reputation as a Town player after that season. Coke too, to a lesser extent I guess as well.

I actually think the sale will go through ok. I also think there will be no club in 2 years time . It's just a hunch on my part and pure speculation

Quoted from Mariner_09

Agree Aldi. In 2021, when people were a bit disappointed that Hewitt hadn’t re-signed, I wasn’t remotely bothered. I wanted them all gone, all of them. I wanted the scars of the horror of another relegation from the League ripped out of the club. I was surprised Waterfall didn’t find a new club that summer, he’s the only one who rebuilt his reputation as a Town player after that season. Coke too, to a lesser extent I guess as well.

So you’re disappointed we’ve still got Clifton then?

Quoted from It Bites

I actually think the sale will go through ok. I also think there will be no club in 2 years time . It's just a hunch on my part and pure speculation

The land around the ground holds the key to their future - This Hilton bloke either has the cash / borrowed the cash and wants to keep them their at a break even , NL /,NLN team ; this would be alongside whatever developmemt he has planned on the land , which I think it's 99% sure the reason he got involved you would have thought .Thats the best case scenario .

Worst case is he has not got any working capital at all the deal falls through and they are in limbo or he does buy the club against various assets ; you have to assume that was the original plan - use the golden ST scheme to at least raise part of the capital requirement to make the purchase and make up the shortfall by other means ; whenever investing normally building a brick wall behind you is a good idea as fallback , but whether Hilton has that mentallity/option time will tell .

But I do get the feeling it won't end well
He does have no connection or affection of the club
2 years may well be about right ,and then the club goes.

Quoted from aldi_01

What’s more bonkers is that some fans are annoyed players are being let go etc. mind blowing…I’d want the lot gone, top to bottom…

100% agree.

Quoted from Mariner_09

Agree Aldi. In 2021, when people were a bit disappointed that Hewitt hadn’t re-signed, I wasn’t remotely bothered. I wanted them all gone, all of them. I wanted the scars of the horror of another relegation from the League ripped out of the club. I was surprised Waterfall didn’t find a new club that summer, he’s the only one who rebuilt his reputation as a Town player after that season. Coke too, to a lesser extent I guess as well.

I thought clifton had a good season that year, mostly playing full back or wing back i think, obviously in a very bad side - he didn't have to rebuild his reputation after that year in my opinion as he was let down by the others.

Just signed two players ex Eastleigh. I hope for their sake that the club start the season and are financially stable playing at Glanford Park.

Gotta admire their ability to see the positives...

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/may/fewer-miles-to-travel-to-support-the-iron-in-2023-24/

'Recent campaigns' 2014-15.........

Kidderminster back in The National League after yesterdays play-offs, despite finishing 24 points behind Kings Lynn who didn't go up.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Kidderminster back in The National League after yesterdays play-offs, despite finishing 24 points behind Kings Lynn who didn't go up.

Tommy Widdrington's gamble to move to relegation threatened Aldershot paid off though, as his new employer survived.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Kidderminster back in The National League after yesterdays play-offs, despite finishing 24 points behind Kings Lynn who didn't go up.

Wasn't it Kiddy who sold the pies that Town fans (and others) raved about? Poor Scunny, really can't catch a break ;D

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Wasn't it Kiddy who sold the pies that Town fans (and others) raved about? Poor Scunny, really can't catch a break ;D

was shepeherds pie and curry that were the dogs bollox back in the day. My favourite away trip - good food, great old fashioned covered away end and the station bar at the steam railway was perfect

Quoted from diehardmariner

Gotta admire their ability to see the positives...

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/may/fewer-miles-to-travel-to-support-the-iron-in-2023-24/

Blimey. Talk about clutching at straws! It's a bit like saying look how much we're saving on petrol now the cars been stolen.

If they got relegated down to playing in the Scunthorpe and District Sunday League they would have even less miles to travel.

Simon Elliott , the guy who tried to take over the club before White with Sharp has tweeted today .

'That a large plot of land has been purchased by the club ,and it's NOT for a new training ground '

Make of that what you will.

That's not very local 😂😂😂

Two of these gone up near empty land in Scunthorpe. New ground apparently

Quoted from It Bites

That's not very local 😂😂😂

It’s bloody good job they got relegated to help with the balance

Quoted from It Bites

Two of these gone up near empty land in Scunthorpe. New ground apparently

If it’s for a new ground I wonder who has greased who’s hand to get planning permission that quickly

Quoted from crusty ole pie

If it’s for a new ground I wonder who has greased who’s hand to get planning permission that quickly

It's their fans forum tomorrow .... Anyone can put a sign up but planning would take more than a few weeks ?

I can't see any current planning applications on the North Lincs planning portal with the words "football" or "stadium" other than something for Glanford Park back in Jan.

The signings they've made are very good signings especially given they've dropped into the North. Took Eastleighs main creative player and now taken Boreham Woods best centre half.. they had the best defence in the NL.

That's a pretty quick process to purchase that land will be interesting to see what Hilton intends on doing with it.

Well, if Swann doesn’t get his £3.5m, in come the bulldozers. So where do they play next season?

They’re gonna need some decent income to pay these new players. I’d have to question the mentality of a player who’s just been in the NL playoffs and has now accepted a move to NLN, especially a homeless one.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Well, if Swann doesn’t get his £3.5m, in come the bulldozers. So where do they play next season?

They’re gonna need some decent income to pay these new players. I’d have to question the mentality of a player who’s just been in the NL playoffs and has now accepted a move to NLN, especially a homeless one.

Probably where they have put those signs up if Dodgy Dave gets his way.

The land in question used to be a land fill site years ago .....

Quoted from It Bites

The land in question used to be a land fill site years ago .....

Methane and lots of other obnoxious gasses this is not going to Bea quick process

Quoted from Mappers

Probably where they have put those signs up if Dodgy Dave gets his way.

To be fair, at the level they’re at surely all you need is a pitch with a rope around it?

Quoted from aldi_01

To be fair, at the level they’re at surely all you need is a pitch with a rope around it?

With the players putting the nets up !!
I wonder which Scunny sub will have to run the line ??

Jumpers for goalposts 😉

Has the ownership of that land been immediately passed onto Coolsilk and re-mortgaged against the club too?

Quoted from forza ivano

was shepeherds pie and curry that were the dogs bollox back in the day. My favourite away trip - good food, great old fashioned covered away end and the station bar at the steam railway was perfect

Absolutely cracking awayday, all that plus some nice canalside boozers and the best freak watching Wetherspoons ever.

Those signings are definitely interesting, ones you would have expected to have drawn better new clubs than one with back-to-back relegations and still very much in the midst of what appears to have a car crash takeover.

Then again, who knows.  Maybe Hilton does have something behind him to fund it all.   It's a decent size and right next to what remains of the Town Centre.  If they're not going to use it as a training ground (be a stupid place to put it anyway) I can't think of anything else but a new ground.

But as others have pointed out, purchasing land doesn't mean jack excrement.  It's the planning permission that counts, then the investment ability to do something.

Absolute cynic in me thinks it's all part of the bigger plan.  Swann would have a massive battle on his hands to flog the land where Glanford Park sits, just because of the opposition it would bring and the association with kicking out the local football team.   As if by magic a new potential venue pops up, Hilton finds some investment from somewhere to purchase it...we'll be there in a few years, but we've got to vacate Glanford Park for now.  We can always share with Ilkeston for a bit...

Can anyone see us actually playing them in a league game for at least a decade,if ever ?

How far apart do we have to be to class them as 'non rivals' anymore and just see them as par with Boston and Gainsborough ?

Quoted from Heisenberg

Well, if Swann doesn’t get his £3.5m, in come the bulldozers. So where do they play next season?

.

Bradley?

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Bradley?

My guess would be Doncaster.

Ploggers sounds right to me

Gainsborough ! It would be ironic with it being Swanns old club he nearly copulated.

I think i'm a little lost with all the scunny ongoings now. So let me get this right, the stadium is still owned by Swann, and 3.5 million is needed to purchase the stadium. If unable to purchase, then Swann could bulldoze the stadium for its Land, but then Hilton has gone and purchased 2 lots and they are signing players left right and centre, but the fans still dont know if they'll have a stadium to play in?

Quoted from Meza

I think i'm a little lost with all the scunny ongoings now. So let me get this right, the stadium is still owned by Swann, and 3.5 million is needed to purchase the stadium. If unable to purchase, then Swann could bulldoze the stadium for its Land, but then Hilton has gone and purchased 2 lots and they are signing players left right and centre, but the fans still dont know if they'll have a stadium to play in?

Basically that. I am fairly confident that there is a substantial amount of subterfuge and machiavellianism at play. I find the lack of suspicion emanating from the Scunny fan base quite alarming.

Been told that Swann is playing hard ball over the sale of the ground but the sale of the training ground is agreed. From what I was told the new land, around 35 acres, has been purchased with the intention of building a new stadium and new training facility. I was told agreement in place for them to play one more season at Glanford Park and after that they must move. Approaches have been made for ground share with another local club but that was declined so at the minute they will have no home ground from 2024 until new ground, if agreed, is in place.

If new guy can’t pay whatever price Swann wants for the new ground not sure how he will fund the building of a new stadium. Be interesting what is announced next week when sale of the ground is scheduled to complete.

I don’t really know what to make of it but those players would have had some decent signing on fees. If Hilton was about to shell out £3.5 million for the stadium and land I would expect a playing down of expectations for next season, make it a season of consolidation, develop younger players, get the fans onside and get ready for a challenge the following season.

All will be clearer in a couple of weeks.

Things might even become clearer tonight - Mr Dave is hosting their fans forum to outline his plans .

Quoted from Mappers

Things might even become clearer tonight - Mr Dave is hosting their fans forum to outline his plans .

Might send a question in to see if flasks are allowed in under NLN rules 🤣

New Ground confirmed. Built within two years apparently

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New Ground confirmed. Built within two years apparently

Talk is cheap but if he pulls it off it will be a major embarrassment for Grimsby and the local council.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

New Ground confirmed. Built within two years apparently

Sounds too good be true. I'd be amazed if that happens...

Quoted from It Bites

Talk is cheap but if he pulls it off it will be a major embarrassment for Grimsby and the local council.

Depends what he’s building

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

New Ground confirmed. Built within two years apparently

Sure. Isn't the land an ex-landfill meaning there will be loads of hoops to jump through.

This just seems pie in the sky he sells prime land for10 million ( my wild guess) pays swan 3.5 million leaves 6.5 must be expecting .5 million loss this season leaving 6 to buy two lumps of landfill ground what sort of stadium does that buy ?

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This just seems pie in the sky he sells prime land for10 million ( my wild guess) pays swan 3.5 million leaves 6.5 must be expecting .5 million loss this season leaving 6 to buy two lumps of landfill ground what sort of stadium does that buy ?

One fit for NLN.

It's not happening in two years is it ?

This is a smokescreen it has to be

Building a 5k stadium is about 12 million quid ballpark

Unless he's looking at one like Clee Town or whatever ?

They are going to lap this up and it's going to come back and bite them in the arce .

no way they get a new stadium in 2 years. Not unless its railings round the pitch and a couple of potakabins fr changing rooms.

Mind you in 2 years time that might be all they need for the grading ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Quoted from It Bites

Talk is cheap but if he pulls it off it will be a major embarrassment for Grimsby and the local council.

How's he going to pull it off, dare i say it their council are even more inept than ours , it took them about 8 years to build a roundabout .

Quoted from Mappers

It's not happening in two years is it ?

This is a smokescreen it has to be

Building a 5k stadium is about 12 million quid ballpark

Unless he's looking at one like Clee Town or whatever ?

They are going to lap this up and it's going to come back and bite them in the arce .

And the rest now. Boston's ground was estimated to cost £5.5m in 2013, the final stand which hasn't been started and will incorporate a sports hall, is now estimated to cost £3m alone.

I'm not sure if the total figure is £12m including that or £12m so far plus £3m for the sports hall. Their chairman owns Chestnut Homes and they have funded it with the new build estate out in Wyberton and then protected it from asset strippers by wrapping it up in a Community Trust which peppercorn leases it to Boston for 250 years or something like that.

As for his little event tonight, you could only go if you were stupid enough to sign up for his 1899 Club which aimed to buy Glanford Park or have a season ticket.

Quoted from It Bites

Talk is cheap but if he pulls it off it will be a major embarrassment for Grimsby and the local council.

What the fūck’s it got to do with the Council? Not their job to relocate a private business

Quoted from It Bites

Talk is cheap but if he pulls it off it will be a major embarrassment for Grimsby and the local council.

To build a new ground within two years from now would mean it's a crap one.

OK..
Just a thought...let's say this new scheme comes off, they leave Glanford Park......I seem to recall Glanford Park was constructed like an industrial sized lego kit with additional expansion in mind......could part of it be purchased and relocated go replace the main stand ?

They are absolutely copulated

Quoted from scott

They are absolutely copulated

I would say that's being kind

More than likely

Gone

Really feel like they're out of the frying pan and into the fire with this new owner. There's something not right about him.

To be fair at least he gone out and bought some land, did fenty even get that far.
Just maybe he likes to get on with it without all the bollorks like fenty gave out.

Building a stadium really isnt that difficult for most teams, just ours

If you ask questions on their pages you're on a witch hunt . Looking like the doubters even got banned from attending the fans forum. None of this makes any sense and all . He's building a squad capable of top7 in the NL to guarantee promotion next seon in the NLN . Sounds like the biggest gamble of his life but where is all the money coming from ?

They have made some very good signings so far, and the manager will have huge pressure on him.
A lot of the fans aren't keen on him already, so if he doesn't get off to a good start, it could go pete tong very quickly...

Quoted from It Bites

If you ask questions on their pages you're on a witch hunt . Looking like the doubters even got banned from attending the fans forum. None of this makes any sense and all . He's building a squad capable of top7 in the NL to guarantee promotion next seon in the NLN . Sounds like the biggest gamble of his life but where is all the money coming from ?

I think your last point is key

No one know's , normally a quick google search and taps and you can see how somebody has made their wealth ; with Mr David doing that just brings up more questions than answers .

Surely one of them at the fans forum asked that question and how they are going to raise all this capital for the new ground ?

Or maybe not - you would not be happy if you bought the 'golden tickets' at £2000 a pop to part own a stadium that is not even owned by the club would you .

Local council recommended the site for the new ground and levelling up money will be used to help finance it.

Think GY and Cleethorpes got about £40 mill levelling up money. Let's hope it's used wisely....

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And the rest now. Boston's ground was estimated to cost £5.5m in 2013, the final stand which hasn't been started and will incorporate a sports hall, is now estimated to cost £3m alone.

I'm not sure if the total figure is £12m including that or £12m so far plus £3m for the sports hall. Their chairman owns Chestnut Homes and they have funded it with the new build estate out in Wyberton and then protected it from asset strippers by wrapping it up in a Community Trust which peppercorn leases it to Boston for 250 years or something like that.

As for his little event tonight, you could only go if you were stupid enough to sign up for his 1899 Club which aimed to buy Glanford Park or have a season ticket.

And the cost of building concrete structures has basically doubled over the last 2 years, so you're probably looking at a 125-150% greater cost if Boston built their exact stadium again today. Their ground has a capacity of 6,000. Scunny will surely be looking for a similar sort of ground (but maybe a bigger capacity as it will have 4 complete stands!) So, not adjusting for the price of land and additional inflation in the next 2 years, you're probably looking at paying £15-18m for a new ground. Where on earth are they finding the money from?

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Approaches have been made for ground share with another local club but that was declined

was it us?

Quoted from Poojah

I find the lack of suspicion emanating from the Scunny fan base quite alarming.

Aye, we've had differing views (on this thread nonetheless) regards the lack of opposition/challenge towards Swann from their fan base.

But intercourse me, there are so few their fans that I've seen who are questioning this. The ones that do are shot down in flames.

There's sleepwalking into a disaster zone, then there's sprinting into it with a smile on your face.

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was it us?

Trinity apparently.

Quoted from Mariner_09

And the cost of building concrete structures has basically doubled over the last 2 years, so you're probably looking at a 125-150% greater cost if Boston built their exact stadium again today.

Hey, maybe FGR Veggie guy (whose name eludes me at present), was really onto something when he was pushing for a new stadium constructed of wood...

Quoted from Maringer

Hey, maybe FGR Veggie guy (whose name eludes me at present), was really onto something when he was pushing for a new stadium constructed of wood...

Dale Vince.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Trinity apparently.

You are correct it was Gainsborough

You mean Dale Mince. 😆

Quoted from Maringer

Hey, maybe FGR Veggie guy (whose name eludes me at present), was really onto something when he was pushing for a new stadium constructed of wood...

We were 100 years ahead of him, stop stealing our ideas Vince!

Scunthorpe council leader just on Humberside
-Did not know about a new ground , just that the 2 signs have been erected on the site .
- A new ground might be a good idea there
-when asked if the council are publicly backing it his reply was 'absolutely not '

A stark contrast to Hiltons claims that the council are 'on board '

It's going to get messy next week .

lmao.

More of this please.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

And the rest now. Boston's ground was estimated to cost £5.5m in 2013, the final stand which hasn't been started and will incorporate a sports hall, is now estimated to cost £3m alone.

I'm not sure if the total figure is £12m including that or £12m so far plus £3m for the sports hall. Their chairman owns Chestnut Homes and they have funded it with the new build estate out in Wyberton and then protected it from asset strippers by wrapping it up in a Community Trust which peppercorn leases it to Boston for 250 years or something like that.

As for his little event tonight, you could only go if you were stupid enough to sign up for his 1899 Club which aimed to buy Glanford Park or have a season ticket.

Re: Boston’s final stand…

The foundations are already done and ready to be built on.

What a frigging mess, almost a thousand supporters have bought a season ticket already but they don’t know where Scunny will be playing next season and 50 people have paid £1899 for a part of Glanford Park that the new owner of SUFC David Hilton is now not going to buy, you couldn’t make it up. What a joke, and we thought we had a problem with Fenty. UTM

Quoted from Mappers

Scunthorpe council leader just on Humberside
-Did not know about a new ground , just that the 2 signs have been erected on the site .
- A new ground might be a good idea there
-when asked if the council are publicly backing it his reply was 'absolutely not '

A stark contrast to Hiltons claims that the council are 'on board '

It's going to get messy next week .

David Hilton was right in saying N Lincs is involved.

"Can we build our new stadium here?" No!. N Lincs involvement, see?

Burns was up to his (good) old tricks earlier trying to goad Hilton on to his show , obviously no response ; but i would love to hear that .

Humberside are all over this like a rash . Which is good .

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/may/club-statement-fans-forum/

Mr Dave has spent all day typing up his notes

It’s got even better, apparently Swann has served notice on them to leave Glumford Park by the 24th…
If that happens they’ll not have a ground to play on and would they be allowed in the league on that basis?

I can't believe a large proportion of their fans are taking it in , lapping it up even ;with some of their comments you would think Mr D is the messiah .

Have they not been following the U turns , false promises and lies since he took over the sinking ship?

To be fair to the guy though he paid the tax bill to clear the embargo as promised, signed a load of players as promised, listened to the uproar on the proposed Ilkeston move and u turned, has already signed 6/7 players , not playing Swanns games so initiated an alternative plan ...I quite like his no nonsense approach....

Glad he isn't involved with us obviously but it's great to be looking in.

After reading that statement I now realise that I was completely wrong that they were a crisis club with no hope; they are in fact run by rich, competent, man-with-a-plan, and nothing could possibly go wrong from here on in.....

No mention of where they are to play 23/34 season home games. Ilkeston?

It’ll get significantly messy now he’s called out Swann. What he says about Swann is true and I think he’s right to call him out but I suspect, given how pig headed Swann is, it’ll just make the process even more complicated.

I think we’ve seen a great example of owners taking over a club run by a moron ad letting people know they’re not impressed with the previous regime and explaining why atuff is needing to be done because of that idiot without actually going full on ranty about it…

I admire the ambition from Hilton on so much as they realise that the longer they stay down there the harder it will be to come back but surely he realised that the club is rotten? It oozes failure and defeat. Adding a couple of half decent players won’t solve everything…I’d also question the sanity of those players but hey, that’s up to them.

As for the training complex and new stadium…I understand why, I understand the issues with GP and moving forward but as a Scunny fan I’d be terrified about that. The council clearly don’t know fully or if they do, they’re pretending they don’t for some reason, then there’s the cost of such projects. He can talk about levelling up funding and the likes but that still wouldn’t cover even a third of the costs…unless you’re building a stadium like Clee Town…current climate and market would probably suggest at least 10m for anything half decent…where’s that coming from?

It’s all a bit messy and it doesn’t seem to have any possibility of being tidied up anytime soon…I admire Hilton for trying but if I’m honest, as an outsider, nothing about him suggests he’s actually any better than say Fenty…talks a lot about projects he wants to deliver but offers no actual concrete evidence to suggest he’ll ever deliver nor does he seem to have any idea how it’ll be delivered…

Quoted from DB

No mention of where they are to play 23/34 season home games. Ilkeston?

Given the previous mention of moving 'administration' to Ilkeston, I reckon it's a fait accompli that they'll be playing there next season.

Lots of big financial promises in that statement. Does anybody think he can really walk the walk as well as talking the talk?

Out of the frying pan...

Quoted from Maringer

Given the previous mention of moving 'administration' to Ilkeston, I reckon it's a fait accompli that they'll be playing there next season.

Lots of big financial promises in that statement. Does anybody think he can really walk the walk as well as talking the talk?

Out of the frying pan...

Not at all, and sensible scunny fans know this, but, he will wind Swann up, Swann is your archetypal ‘not very bright man married well’ dreamer…he’s already had people threatening Hilton and people at the club so there’s no doubt he’ll do it again but it all works in Hilton’s favour, and to some extent, the clubs.

Swann has an overinflated value of GP which will ultimately land him a worthless piece of breeze blocks and tin, even if scunny have to play elsewhere, his ownership of something that’s worthless remains and he’s still not received his money.

As for Hilton, as I said, it just reads like a Fenty statement circa 2002/3. I can’t see any of it coming off to the levels he’s discussed but for now, I’d imagine the plan is just to get Swann away…

From what I was told, following their enquiry to ground share with Gainsborough, is that they could stay at Glanford Park next season and ground share was for 24/25 season pending building of new stadium.

Optimism at its best I believe but who knows……

Quoted from aldi_01

It’ll get significantly messy now he’s called out Swann. What he says about Swann is true and I think he’s right to call him out but I suspect, given how pig headed Swann is, it’ll just make the process even more complicated.

I think we’ve seen a great example of owners taking over a club run by a moron ad letting people know they’re not impressed with the previous regime and explaining why atuff is needing to be done because of that idiot without actually going full on ranty about it…

I admire the ambition from Hilton on so much as they realise that the longer they stay down there the harder it will be to come back but surely he realised that the club is rotten? It oozes failure and defeat. Adding a couple of half decent players won’t solve everything…I’d also question the sanity of those players but hey, that’s up to them.

As for the training complex and new stadium…I understand why, I understand the issues with GP and moving forward but as a Scunny fan I’d be terrified about that. The council clearly don’t know fully or if they do, they’re pretending they don’t for some reason, then there’s the cost of such projects. He can talk about levelling up funding and the likes but that still wouldn’t cover even a third of the costs…unless you’re building a stadium like Clee Town…current climate and market would probably suggest at least 10m for anything half decent…where’s that coming from?

It’s all a bit messy and it doesn’t seem to have any possibility of being tidied up anytime soon…I admire Hilton for trying but if I’m honest, as an outsider, nothing about him suggests he’s actually any better than say Fenty…talks a lot about projects he wants to deliver but offers no actual concrete evidence to suggest he’ll ever deliver nor does he seem to have any idea how it’ll be delivered…

By what their fans have said the first 40 minutes of that forum were a full on character assasination /rant on Swann , I am assuming he picked what he wanted out of the night to post in his official essay on their club site .

I can't see how they pull off any sort of semi-decent stadium in 2 years , why even say it when it's nigh on impossible to deliver ?

Their fans are creaming over it to ,most of them thinking they will be in a mini version of the Spurs stadium in 2 years .

Just need to announce Extreme Leisure are building it next .

Hilton setting up fake Twitter accounts and going after people is still flipping astounding…gone after a female town fan now.

I can’t decide if it’s flipping hilarious or mind blowingly bonkers…

Quoted from aldi_01

Hilton setting up fake Twitter accounts and going after people is still flipping astounding…gone after a female town fan now.

I can’t decide if it’s flipping hilarious or mind blowingly bonkers…

Whats he called ? i will go on and ask a few questions

Quoted from Mappers

Whats he called ? i will go on and ask a few questions

@MallisonTy40353

It’ll be deleted by tonight…they always end up like that…

"Enabling development, potentially retail, will be key to the application to help fund the new stadium"

Now where have we heard that before.........

Quoted from aldi_01

@MallisonTy40353

It’ll be deleted by tonight…they always end up like that…

I half expected it to be Wacca ;D

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

"Enabling development, potentially retail, will be key to the application to help fund the new stadium"

Now where have we heard that before.........

Yes well, David Hilton has just instructed Barristers because Swann has given notice to SUFC to either pay £3 million or quit GP by May 24.
For a self-confessed Business Guru, Hilton has bought SUFC which is just a name, worth £5, but the thing of any worth, i.e. GP, he forgot about. Then picks a fight with the guy who owns GP and is then shown the door. "Smooth Operator" V Street Bruiser. What can go wrong eh? Does anyone want to bet on who will win this round?

Hilton can paint Swann as the bad guy all he likes, but if there is a £3 million mortgage secured on GP and the adjoining land the lender would soon start calling the shots even if Swann didn’t.

I can't work out if Hilton is a genuine guy who has over promised and is now in a bit of a pickle, or something more sinister, but it all has a funny smell about it.

There was another called foreveriron having a go at Sophie Bray cos shes a lawyer and had asked some common questions that he didn't like.

Two things
Where is the reporting of the eviction notice coming from and surely this new owner reads the papers and knows just how long it takes to get to the stage of laying the first brick minimum 5 years ask Luton Everton sure Wembley the only quick fix I can think of was Rotherham and that took a while

Yeah, I saw that. Always a good idea to start abusing a lawyer on twitter. What could possibly go wrong? ;D

He's not the brightest iron in the fire.

Quoted from GrimPol

Yes well, David Hilton has just instructed Barristers because Swann has given notice to SUFC to either pay £3 million or quit GP by May 24.
For a self-confessed Business Guru, Hilton has bought SUFC which is just a name, worth £5, but the thing of any worth, i.e. GP, he forgot about. Then picks a fight with the guy who owns GP and is then shown the door. "Smooth Operator" V Street Bruiser. What can go wrong eh? Does anyone want to bet on who will win this round?

I think you underestimate Hilton and overestimate Swann. Let’s wait and see

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

"Enabling development, potentially retail, will be key to the application to help fund the new stadium"

Now where have we heard that before.........

Yeah but it's a solid plan, bricks and mortar retail is in such good health and there's absolutely no threat to it's continued success....

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

"Enabling development, potentially retail, will be key to the application to help fund the new stadium"

Now where have we heard that before.........

Some much needed retail space 🤦‍♂️

In the current climate, I think there are 2 realistic possibilities for enabling developments: housing and the NHS.

They have missed the NHS opportunity as Scunthorpe got rejected as part of the Hospital Rebuild Programme and the Community Diagnostic Centre location has been decided.

Truly baffling some of the Scunthorpe fans commenting on Twitter I've read this week who seem to think this Hilton is a saviour.. I would be really fearful of the clubs future if I was them.. time will tell I guess.

I posted a question on there when they were cooing over him ,asking where and how Mr Dave made his money - no one seemed to know .

When he was asked about his back story on their club website  he mumbled something about 'being a normal bloke ,having 6 kids and a people carrier'  but not much more .

I find it telling he won't go on  any official media platform and answer any questions transparently -Burns tried , tried hard to get him on his show but no luck .

Surely if all was well you would just go on , tell your story and put any rumours to bed for good .

He was buying the ground outright a month ago
Now he's not
They were training at Ilkeston and closing the academy
Now they are not
The council are on board
They say they are not
Too many alarm bells  and contradictions for me and that's looking at it objectively as a neutral without my Town hat on .

Quoted from Mappers

I posted a question on there when they were cooing over him ,asking where and how Mr Dave made his money - no one seemed to know .

When he was asked about his back story on their club website  he mumbled something about 'being a normal bloke ,having 6 kids and a people carrier'  but not much more .

I find it telling he won't go on  any official media platform and answer any questions transparently -Burns tried , tried hard to get him on his show but no luck .

Surely if all was well you would just go on , tell your story and put any rumours to bed for good .

He was buying the ground outright a month ago
Now he's not
They were training at Ilkeston and closing the academy
Now they are not
The council are on board
They say they are not
Too many alarm bells  and contradictions for me and that's looking at it objectively as a neutral without my Town hat on .

Something seriously not right about the bloke;

1. Bury told him to intercourse off, didn't want to know.
2. No one knows how he made his money/whether he actually has any money and approximately how much.
3. His real name isn't Hilton, it's actually White. Changed for "personal reasons".
4. Said he's bought the ground in the purchase, turns out he hasn't. Charged some fans 2 grand to "buy the stadium" in a membership scheme despite never actually owning it.
5. Dishing out 2 year contracts for fun with no training ground/place to play secured past next week!
6. Randomly buys 2 plots of land, declares he's going to build a new stadium there within 2 years (LOL) despite having no planning permission, no funding secured and the local council apparently knowing nothing about it.

Why aren't scunny fans concerned?

1) don't know about the Bury thing but sure that was comedy to
2)To add - he said he ' did not have substantial monies ' in his interview
3)There were (are maybe) many more alias than just those 2
4)He lied (said he HAD purchased the whole thing)
5)Probably see above ,but to the players .
6)He has not even bought it , their fans said it is registered on todays date to somebody else

The last bit ?
Maybe deep down they know they are F#cked !

Hilton is a clown. I’ve said that to my scunny supporting good friend, and in his defence, he tends to agree. He sees Hilton as a vessel to finally push Swann over the edge so he felicitations off for good and then hopefully someone comes in to get rid of Hilton.

There’s a lot of Fentyisms in what he says and some massive contradictions. The land that has been acquired isn’t in his name, or SUFCs name, and whilst that doesn’t mean it’s not for them, it ales you wonder where Hilton thinks the money is coming from. He talks of grants and levelling up money but at the risk of repeating myself, that isn’t gonna build them a ground that’s any better than Clee Town.

Swann has placed a very inflated value on GP but k can’t help thinking, if Hilton is claiming to have the cash to build and develop a new stadium and training complex, just bite the bullet and take GP off of Swann’s hands.

I didn’t realise Bury had knocked him back…that’s a concern for sure.

Time will tell if any of his statements come true, I suspect it’ll just be a raft of fentyisms from now on. I wouldn’t be holding my breath as a scunny fan. This obsession with fake accounts on Twitter going after folk is flipping weird too, as is the bloke support he’s received from plenty of scunny fans.

Pretty much everything that’s happened to Scunny in the last few years has been predicted on here. It’s all been a bit close to the bone for us. I think it’s obvious that the Hilton episode will unravel too.

Quoted from 140381

Pretty much everything that’s happened to Scunny in the last few years has been predicted on here. It’s all been a bit close to the bone for us. I think it’s obvious that the Hilton episode will unravel too.

Close to heart to

I remember the feeling 'buzz' at the time of many of our former leaders 'promises' especially at the time, but afterwards when they don't happen the comedown isn't great.I see that hystera with Hilton now and this new ground .

Big promises rarely come true in these situations , at least with the lads there are no big dreamy promises and deadlines , just realism and facts(sometimes we don't like them ) but I think I prefer that to the short term excitement of non -realistic goals .

Crikey it just goes on

One of our fans has posted some pretty reasonable questions for Mr David on Twitter and just been hit with a mega load of abuse from one of these parody clone accounts .

Apparently the cardboard signs have been taken down on the potential new ground site as well according to a few of their fans .

Someone posted the deed to that land as well showing it does not belong to Scunthorpe Utd as of today .

Jesus wept

Talking, laughing at, to a Scunny fan in the local and he believes everything Hilton says won’t have a word said against him, unbelievable in his naïveté.

Quoted from Mappers

Crikey it just goes on

One of our fans has posted some pretty reasonable questions for Mr David on Twitter and just been hit with a mega load of abuse from one of these parody clone accounts .

Apparently the cardboard signs have been taken down on the potential new ground site as well according to a few of their fans .

Someone posted the deed to that land as well showing it does not belong to Scunthorpe Utd as of today .

Jesus wept

Where do you find all this stuff on twitter world

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Where do you find all this stuff on twitter world

This Mallison Ty is the one going off i dont know how to post the links but if you just search it's daft watching the show he's abusing town fans and even a scunny fan it's bonkers

Was there no due diligence done on the new bloke coming in? Of course, the bloke selling it doesn’t care where the money comes from, but I thought the fans would have been a bit ‘on the ball’ with it all.

It all screams like a case of p1ssing in the wind, with a train hurtling towards them carrying a shed load of sweet fu(k all

25/1/23 David Hilton purchases Scunthorpe United, Hiton on this - 'The deal includes the club , stadium and all surrounding land '.

23/2/23 David Hilton is interviewed by radio Humberside ' A legal agreement has been signed to commit me to buying the whole site , land and stadium it was signed, and signed by Peter Swann '

19/5/23 Hilton confirms at a fans forum that they will build a new stadium within a 2 year period on land acquired by the club (2 small cardboard signs are erected )) with the councils backing (who subsequently either have no or very limited knowledge of the project) the land is still owned by a different company as confirmed by the deed .

Just a snippet of what's happened in Mr D's short tenure

I wonder what will happen next ?

If Hilton had any money at all surely the common sense route would just be to buy the ground off Swann, far cheaper than any other option . He’s obviously got diddly squat , apart from a very expensive car that he probably pays monthly for

Quoted from supertown

If Hilton had any money at all surely the common sense route would just be to buy the ground off Swann, far cheaper than any other option . He’s obviously got diddly squat , apart from a very expensive car that he probably pays monthly for

I'm sure I read somewhere that GP needed 10 mill spending on it ...😂. Who believes this crap ?

Quoted from It Bites

I'm sure I read somewhere that GP needed 10 mill spending on it ...😂. Who believes this crap ?

It did not cost that to build it ;D ;D

The Glanford Park thing is just plain weird I am pretty sure when our neighbours started getting tetchy about rumours Mr D stated 'they will always play at GP'.

It needs a bit of love,lick of paint and a decent fanzone then it would be fine ; lets face it it's a much easier replenishment than BP .

But they have fallen for this new ground 'idea' hook ,line and sinker - Dave the messiah somehow gets the council to dish out 10 or 20 million on a ground thats not really required ,really?

He had his other 'idea' about taking 15-20 higher academy players and loaning them out or something ,assuming he has changed his mind on that to with their early signing .

Bonkers
And they are more bonkers for entertaining it

I think regards the ground that he may actually have a point regards Swann and all this sign erecting could just be playing hardball.
If, as reported, Swann has excluded parts of the GP site in an deliberate attempt to hold influence or retain future value for himself then Hilton may well just be undertaking manoeuvres to pressure Swann into selling everything as I would think takers for that site as it stands would be limited.

Either way up its a giggle and a mini soap opera to tune into. Middle of the week will be interesting.

The first picture of Scunthorpes new ground emerges .......

Quoted from It Bites

The first picture of Scunthorpes new ground emerges .......

That's the 1899 club members suite

Quoted from It Bites

The first picture of Scunthorpes new ground emerges .......

‘ season tickets still available from the club shop’

Apparently the Iron Bru equivalent of our Les has started a sweepstake, not for who they will play first game, but where they will play there first home game. ;D

Here's a sobering thought. I gather Hilton had no prior link to Scunthorpe and in fact tried to by some other club previously.

Just imagine if he had bought Town off Fenty two years ago. It would have been cheaper than the £3.6mill to buy Scunts and Glanford Park.

YIKES!!!!

Think i need a stiff drink. Something tells me I'll be having nightmares tonight.

Quoted from RonMariner

Here's a sobering thought. I gather Hilton had no prior link to Scunthorpe and in fact tried to by some other club previously.

Just imagine if he had bought Town off Fenty two years ago. It would have been cheaper than the £3.6mill to buy Scunts and Glanford Park.

YIKES!!!!

Think i need a stiff drink. Something tells me I'll be having nightmares tonight.

We have to be thankful we got Jason and Andrew true town supporters who have GRIMSBY running through their blood Ron.

Just like us. 8)

Quoted from RonMariner

Here's a sobering thought. I gather Hilton had no prior link to Scunthorpe and in fact tried to by some other club previously.

Just imagine if he had bought Town off Fenty two years ago. It would have been cheaper than the £3.6mill to buy Scunts and Glanford Park.

YIKES!!!!

Think i need a stiff drink. Something tells me I'll be having nightmares tonight.

Does make you wonder how many times he kicked fentys tyres I suppose that’s at least one thing we maybe shoud be grateful for

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

‘ season tickets still available from the club shop’

CASH only ;D ;D ;D

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

‘ season tickets still available from the club shop’

….until the staff are evicted later this week…..

Let me tell you what happened at Bury FC regarding Mr David Hilton.

We had a very keen legal expert on our board, and the following points should be followed by someone at Scunthorpe United.

We looked at his history of name changes, David White, David Wright, David Mellors, David Anderson, David Hilton.
We looked at his filing history of Ltd companies, over 20 on Companies House all folded. Not one profitable. Some fined, some closed by regulators.

We asked for a DBS check, Disclosure and Barring Check. Refused!

We spoke to solicitors that had worked with him, in particular one who had been struck off due to his business dealing. Link below.
https://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/register/person/?sraNumber=109542

Link below, scroll down to SRA vs Varley
https://www.hollandcondon.ie/why-we-ask-for-money-laundering-documents-and-need-to-keep-an-eye-on-suspicious-transactions/

We had people bullied, threatened and harassed by a rogue element online all defending Hilton.

Let me assure you, He is not the messiah, he is a very naughty boy.

At their fans forum he admitted working for Brittania Law(one of the bogus companies who people accused him of being involved with )  he said 'it was a mistake i was collecting bad debt for them and they were operating in a  grey area of the law '
They were (allegedly) ripping off small to medium sized businesses on their rates

He denied changing his name more than once , but it seems a striking coincidence that all the Daves you talk about have the same DOB and links to the same people and companies .

The Iron fans seem to be blindly following Dave

My worry now is he's in too deep and walks away and blames it on all and  sundry - Cods , Bury fans etc etc as the fall guys

We will find out more tomorrow

'Grey area of the law' sounds worryingly like 'a victimless crime'.

Quoted from Mappers

Crikey it just goes on

One of our fans has posted some pretty reasonable questions for Mr David on Twitter and just been hit with a mega load of abuse from one of these parody clone accounts .

Apparently the cardboard signs have been taken down on the potential new ground site as well according to a few of their fans .

Someone posted the deed to that land as well showing it does not belong to Scunthorpe Utd as of today .

Jesus wept

Probably by the furious land owner, I mean imagine waking up to find someone had stuck a sign on your land claiming it had something to do with Scunthorpe United...shudder....

Quoted from Bury Born Again

Let me tell you what happened at Bury FC regarding Mr David Hilton.

We had a very keen legal expert on our board, and the following points should be followed by someone at Scunthorpe United.

We looked at his history of name changes, David White, David Wright, David Mellors, David Anderson, David Hilton.
We looked at his filing history of Ltd companies, over 20 on Companies House all folded. Not one profitable. Some fined, some closed by regulators.

We asked for a DBS check, Disclosure and Barring Check. Refused!

We spoke to solicitors that had worked with him, in particular one who had been struck off due to his business dealing. Link below.
https://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/register/person/?sraNumber=109542

Link below, scroll down to SRA vs Varley
https://www.hollandcondon.ie/why-we-ask-for-money-laundering-documents-and-need-to-keep-an-eye-on-suspicious-transactions/

We had people bullied, threatened and harassed by a rogue element online all defending Hilton.

Let me assure you, He is not the messiah, he is a very naughty boy.

This sounds even more of a mess for the poor buggers.

Quoted from Bury Born Again

Let me tell you what happened at Bury FC regarding Mr David Hilton.

We had a very keen legal expert on our board, and the following points should be followed by someone at Scunthorpe United.

We looked at his history of name changes, David White, David Wright, David Mellors, David Anderson, David Hilton.
We looked at his filing history of Ltd companies, over 20 on Companies House all folded. Not one profitable. Some fined, some closed by regulators.

We asked for a DBS check, Disclosure and Barring Check. Refused!

We spoke to solicitors that had worked with him, in particular one who had been struck off due to his business dealing. Link below.
https://www.sra.org.uk/consumers/register/person/?sraNumber=109542

Link below, scroll down to SRA vs Varley
https://www.hollandcondon.ie/why-we-ask-for-money-laundering-documents-and-need-to-keep-an-eye-on-suspicious-transactions/

We had people bullied, threatened and harassed by a rogue element online all defending Hilton.

Let me assure you, He is not the messiah, he is a very naughty boy.

Thanks got that and please get that team of yours climbing up the leagues to regain your rightful place. The EFL asa lot to answer for with the handling of your club and a few others Darlington Scunthorpe etc to be controlled by people with no loyalty to the clubs and seemly thinking it’s a money making machine which anyone will say it’s certainly not at the best you can expect to break even

The EFL is a members club though, same as the Premier League. The power and authority comes from the membership.

That there is such little appetite for proper transparency and integrity within football club ownership tells you everything. A turkey never votes for Christmas.

I was always sceptical of the Bury stuff, mainly because I’d only read stuff from fans but having read those links and then followed other stuff linked to that, it makes for a dark read.

Swann is a girl private but I’m not sure they’re gonna be any better off long term. Even if they were to get promoted, Hilton looks like an accident waiting to happen.

It still concerns me how the scunny fans are swallowing everything Hilton says. He’s made a swathe of promises and offered nothing in the way of evidence to suggest he can pull it off, nor a plan.

I know there are things that haven’t been set up, paid or whatever by Swann but the occurrences are frequent since Hilton took over, makes me think he’s not got a clue either, and is seemingly not trying to figure out what needs to be done, instead just focusing on big things rather than day to day stuff that’s important…

So today's the day . If Hilton pulls this off we're all gonna look proper mammaries ........ Tick tock tick tock Dave

Quoted from It Bites

So today's the day . If Hilton pulls this off we're all gonna look proper mammaries ........ Tick tock tick tock Dave

Pulls what off? Purchasing the ground?

Quoted from supertown

Pulls what off? Purchasing the ground?

Just being allowed in the ground . Hearing he's subletted the ground ??

Quoted from diehardmariner

The EFL is a members club though, same as the Premier League. The power and authority comes from the membership.

That there is such little appetite for proper transparency and integrity within football club ownership tells you everything. A turkey never votes for Christmas.

There’s plenty of appetite for transparency and integrity from the huge majority of member clubs in both the EFL & the Premier League.

However putting that in place is hugely costly. If the EFL do it that money comes directly from the central pot. That’s 72 clubs receiving less money because of a tiny minority of owners.

And anyhow there’s zero checks in the National League and below. How could there be when they are competitions run of fumes from the 92?

Which is why Macclesfield happened. Their owner would never have passed an EFL fit and proper person check. But he became an EFL owner by promotion and the EFL were powerless.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

There’s plenty of appetite for transparency and integrity from the huge majority of member clubs in both the EFL & the Premier League.

However putting that in place is hugely costly. If the EFL do it that money comes directly from the central pot. That’s 72 clubs receiving less money because of a tiny minority of owners.

And anyhow there’s zero checks in the National League and below. How could there be when they are competitions run of fumes from the 92?

Which is why Macclesfield happened. Their owner would never have passed an EFL fit and proper person check. But he became an EFL owner by promotion and the EFL were powerless.

I don't think the EFL is powerless, it just chooses not to use it's power.

The EFL is not a public body with open access. It's more like a private members club (it's a limited company, I think). So it has the power to say who can and who can't come into the league. It doesn't really need to have any reasons but it's much better management to have clear criteria and stick to them. In some ways it's a bit like a pub - anyone can come in but the landlord has the right to kick you out and tell you you can't come back.

I suspect that it's sh*t scared of the bad PR around refusing teams access due to unscrupulous owners (or any other reason) and probably the costs of legal challenges to it's decisions.

I also suspect that the point about turkeys not voting for Christmas is absolutely bang on.

Looks like they are locked out of Glandford Park.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Looks like they are locked out of Glandford Park.

Hiltons locked Swann out apparently ,according to their lot on twitter .

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Looks like they are locked out of Glandford Park.

Hilton has locked Swann out and is claiming squatters rights.

Hilton is claiming squatters rights 😂😂. Brilliant

A club and town famous for travellers is squatting on land that doesn’t belong to them…flipping golden…

Quoted from aldi_01

A club and town famous for travellers is squatting on land that doesn’t belong to them…flipping golden…

And some people wonder why there’s over 200 pages of us talking about Scunny - are they for real, this is gold and has been for 2 years?!!

There might be another 200 pages the way this is going

Signs confirmed removed at that potential stadium site ,obviously some sort of ploy from Hilton .

This is going to get very messy now , i thought we might be wrong on here and Hilton might actually have the cash and ability to see it through .

Not now
Hilton -Wrong en
Swann-Wrong en
Scunthorpe Utd- Absolutely intercourse*d!

Get the popcorn out ;D

I’ll give Hilton credit where it’s due; he’s less predictable than Swann. Regardless, this is merely further evidence that this will not end well.

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Just in case anyone else wondered what section 6 of the criminal law act 1977 says!!

Under Section 6(2) of this Act it is an offence for anyone 'without lawful authority' to use, or threaten to use, violence to gain entry where someone is trying to prevent him from doing so. The Police will normally prosecute a Landlord under the Criminal Law Act.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Looks like they are locked out of Glandford Park.

Could be worse. Could be locked in

Quoted from buckstown

Just in case anyone else wondered what section 6 of the criminal law act 1977 says!!

Under Section 6(2) of this Act it is an offence for anyone 'without lawful authority' to use, or threaten to use, violence to gain entry where someone is trying to prevent him from doing so. The Police will normally prosecute a Landlord under the Criminal Law Act.

After all of this, he will probably peacefully walk into the ticket office tomorrow!

Can commercial entities claim squatters rights? I thought that was only private individuals?

What an absolute excrement show, a barely believable excrement show, I love them being relegated and in absolute turmoil, I would hate to see them go bust due to illegitimate owners though.

Section 6 - Violence for securing entry

Section 6 creates an offence of using or threatening unauthorised violence for the purpose of securing entry into any premises, while there is known to be a person inside opposing entry. Violence is taken to include violence to property, as well as to people.

This section has been widely used by squatters in England and Wales, as it makes it a crime in most circumstances for the landlord to force entry, as long as the squatters are physically present and express opposition to the landlord's entry. "Squatters rights" do not apply when the property appears to be occupied (e.g. there are signs of current use, furniture, etc.).

Section 6 is referred to in printed legal warnings, which are commonly displayed near the entrances to squatted buildings. Squatters are not protected by the Protection from Eviction Act 1977, which makes it a crime to evict tenants without following the legal process.

Reasonable force used by a bailiff executing a possession order would not be considered unauthorised violence, so landlords can still legally regain possession through the courts.

Laws regarding squatting residential properties were revised in the Legal Aid, Sentencing and Punishment of Offenders Act 2012.

Really immersing themselves in the pub leagues aren’t they?

Squatters rights have been used widely but individuals and groups for yonks. There’s a whole raft of folk using these laws to reside in luxury houses owned by oligarchs and the like across the capital.

I’ve never heard a commercial entity utilise them before. It’s all very amateur, and whilst I get the point, there’s just ways of doing things and to me, this makes you a laughing stock rather than getting support from the wider footballing community. It’s just become Hilton v Swann, two bitter folk in ghr midst of a divorce playing mammary for tat and forgetting there’s a child on the middle of all this…

There's tinpot, then there's this.

Their demise has been spectacular in it's rapidity.

Amateur hour continues.

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“No need for concern”. Ok David, we believe you.

By the way, from all in Grimsby, keep up the good work!

Lol how's he going to do the school run if he can't leave the stadium 🤔

I wonder if any of these apply.

Squatting in non-residential properties
A non-residential property is any building or land that is not designed to be lived in.

Simply being on another person’s non-residential property without their permission is not usually a crime. The police can take action if squatters commit other crimes when entering or staying in a property.

Crimes include:

causing damage when entering the property
causing damage while in the property
not leaving when they’re told to by a court
stealing from the property
using utilities like electricity or gas without permission
fly-tipping
not obeying a noise abatement notice

It's all going off on Twitter space now .
Crikey
I think a few are now starting to question Saint David
With the help of 'us cods' and lots of neutrals

"Someone stole the signs that were put up on the site of the proposed new development, "

We are still moving there...honest guv.

Quoted from Mappers

It's all going off on Twitter space now .
Crikey
I think a few are now starting to question Saint David
With the help of 'us cods' and lots of neutrals

Put a link up ffs.

Basic manners

Incredible.

Looks like I chose the wrong week to give up crystal meth and crack cocain speed balls. It’s the only thing that helps one make sense of all this.

Entirely hypothetical and obviously know it would happen BUT… if they lost the right to their stadium for the season and asked to groundshare BP for the year paying rent… would anyone want us to be good neighbours?

Quoted from WetFlannel

Entirely hypothetical and obviously know it would happen BUT… if they lost the right to their stadium for the season and asked to groundshare BP for the year paying rent… would anyone want us to be good neighbours?

Not a fan of sharing, sorry lol anyway it will more likely be at Ilkestons ground.

Quoted from WetFlannel

Entirely hypothetical and obviously know it would happen BUT… if they lost the right to their stadium for the season and asked to groundshare BP for the year paying rent… would anyone want us to be good neighbours?

Nah, the pitch gets enough grief already without the sh*t munchers wrecking it even more!

Quoted from WetFlannel

Entirely hypothetical and obviously know it would happen BUT… if they lost the right to their stadium for the season and asked to groundshare BP for the year paying rent… would anyone want us to be good neighbours?

Surely they’d just need to use Bradley, no need to use a actual stadium like BP…

Brigg, Winterton,Goole all nearer and more appropriate for that level.

Quoted from ska face

Put a link up ffs.

Basic manners

The #IRON and #UTI hashtag will give the full show from last night

The whole thing is strange

The list of respectable people asking genuine questions is growing , only to be told they are wrong or abused (I am assuming by Hilton / his crew )

I asked a question about how the ground is deliverable in 2 years going through due process and build,only to be sent lots of DM's with videos , pictures of fish and incoherent abuse from some sort of account that has cloned a Scunthorpe Utd fans .

The whole thing has gone from funny to sad and now bizarre .

Where will it end ?

Quoted from WetFlannel

Entirely hypothetical and obviously know it would happen BUT… if they lost the right to their stadium for the season and asked to groundshare BP for the year paying rent… would anyone want us to be good neighbours?

Except when we actually play them I don't want anything from that club to taint BP. No it's or buts .

Quoted from WetFlannel

Entirely hypothetical and obviously know it would happen BUT… if they lost the right to their stadium for the season and asked to groundshare BP for the year paying rent… would anyone want us to be good neighbours?

I'm clearly in a minority here, but I say take their money! It increases revenue so more dollars for improvements. Money is money. Potentially all the drainage is going in ready for a ground share to help absorb all the salty tears of Iron fans........

Quoted from Mappers

The #IRON and #UTI hashtag will give the full show from last night

The whole thing is strange

The list of respectable people asking genuine questions is growing , only to be told they are wrong or abused (I am assuming by Hilton / his crew )

I asked a question about how the ground is deliverable in 2 years going through due process and build,only to be sent lots of DM's with videos , pictures of fish and incoherent abuse from some sort of account that has cloned a Scunthorpe Utd fans .

The whole thing has gone from funny to sad and now bizarre .

Where will it end ?

High court and Swann gets his land back. Iron have no ground and have to ground share with Ikeston or withdraw from the league. Lastly, all those who handed money over st's etc. get nothing back as Hilton winds up Scunny. To clarify everything and no come back on him Hilton may change his name, AGAIN.

Of course, it's just my opinion, but something is very wrong 30 miles down the road.

Whoever ground shares with them needs to factor in their reputation as squatters !!

Would you trust them to pay the rent.

I dont 8)

The land title issue that Hilton is raising must be a red herring. Unless he’s employing muppets for lawyers that would have been flagged months ago in the title report, but more importantly if there is a flaw in the title would Swann have been able to get a mortgage with GP and the land as security? Mortgage lenders don’t employ muppet lawyers…

Quoted from WetFlannel

Entirely hypothetical and obviously know it would happen BUT… if they lost the right to their stadium for the season and asked to groundshare BP for the year paying rent… would anyone want us to be good neighbours?

I would want money upfront and/or time for the cheque to clear. Also would want 24 Hr manned security just in case "someone" changed the locks whilst SUFC were playing at "home" and GTFC were locked out.

I would be happy to have them as tenants, providing it was a profitable transaction for the club.

Given their track record, I would be demanding payment up front and use of their ground staff to help ours with the additional wear and tear of BP.

There is absolutely no way they will be playing on the hallowed bp next season there 1000 fans would be in uproar at the thought it would be the final nail in the coffin cos they simply would not. Come to pay.

I wouldn’t have them anywhere near Blundell Park, and wouldn’t trust either Swann or Hilton or whoever owns SUFC anyway with their track record. UTM

Messrs Stockwood and Petit are very keen on being good neighbours and being part of the football family.

I doubt they will play at BP but I wouldn't dismiss it completely.

And I quite like the idea of taking money off our closest rivals at a time when they can ill afford it.

If anybody groundshared at BP, we'd need the ongoing pitch renovations to do an amazing job not to end up with a basket case of a playing surface.

They don't deserve the privilege of playing at an EFL club. They are a basket case of a club that I want nothing to do with.

For anyone doubting the stupidity of some of the Scunthorpe fans at this moment in time, have a look at some of the responses to Elliott's defence statement of Hilton.

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Absolutely incredible!

Quoted from diehardmariner

For anyone doubting the stupidity of some of the Scunthorpe fans at this moment in time, have a look at some of the responses to Elliott's defence statement of Hilton.

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Absolutely incredible!

There are still Town fans that believe without Fenty we wouldn’t have a club !!
Desperation makes for strange beliefs !!

Quoted from diehardmariner

For anyone doubting the stupidity of some of the Scunthorpe fans at this moment in time, have a look at some of the responses to Elliott's defence statement of Hilton.

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Absolutely incredible!

Isn't he one of the guys that was trying to buy the club ?

You would imagine Simon Elliott has heard a lot of half truths ,contradictions and lies from Sir David .

He's Scunthorpe Utd through and through so you have to feel for him slightly .

Again , not willing to answer the direct question 'have you seen proof of funds ?' From a few people on there .

The number of U- turns and lies over the last 6 months seems to go over most of their heads still , and the more balanced and knowledgable just get shut down or abused .

I think us cods have done enough to try and help them

If the club goes it goes

I disagree with many of those who call some of our fans "happy clappers" but the phrase certainly fits their supporters much better, they seem beyond help. No matter how many times people point out the numerous red flags that are out there, they continue to happily clap believing him to be their saviour.

How Simon Elliott, respectable and successful in business can get behind him is beyond me.

Is it just my way of thinking or are scunny fans suffering from Stockholm syndrome

Perhaps they are so far into the hole, that they just have to believe, and hope for the best?

So what happened re yesterdays deadline to pay £3.1M?

Quoted from 123614

So what happened re yesterdays deadline to pay £3.1M?

I guess the next steps can't be taken until that deadline passed, and those next steps will take days or weeks to progress into something that the public see.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I disagree with many of those who call some of our fans "happy clappers" but the phrase certainly fits their supporters much better, they seem beyond help. No matter how many times people point out the numerous red flags that are out there, they continue to happily clap believing him to be their saviour.

How Simon Elliott, respectable and successful in business can get behind him is beyond me.

He said to another fan 'it's the only way we still have a club '

You can tell he is a proper fan , i thought him and Sharp would be a great fit for them but i don't think they had the capital or transparently would not pay the 3.5m!

So sane after all

Scunny fans who are being critical are now being singled out and just given abuse but the happy clappers. I know they’re desperate to get out of this mess but as an outsider, who is pragmatic and can see all the evidence without bias, Hilton is unlikely to help them out any further than just keeping the club going. I don’t see him being able to pull them out the excrement and I’m sorry, but anyone that believes he’s building them a new stadium any time soon is a flipping moron…and if he did, it’s got Darlo written all over it…that or the stadium will be like Bradley…

This Paul Skillington bloke on there is obviously part of Hiltons crew , a strange character who is involved in Ilkeston I think, taking down anyone that knocks Davey .

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Is it just my way of thinking or are scunny fans suffering from Stockholm syndrome

I recently read a book about Stockholm Syndrome.
It was awful at first, but by the time I’d finished it, I loved it.

Quoted from chaos33

I recently read a book about Stockholm Syndrome.
It was awful at first, but by the time I’d finished it, I loved it.

👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼

I really can't understand why the local media aren't all over this story, it's perfect to fill a slot on a low news day.
Not a glimmer on the Scunthorpe section of the telegraph (which I realise is useless) or Humberside sport. There is the possibility that this bloke is genuine but surely there's enough question marks to be waving large flags.
What the hell else is going on in Scunny??

Quoted from buckstown

I really can't understand why the local media aren't all over this story, it's perfect to fill a slot on a low news day.
Not a glimmer on the Scunthorpe section of the telegraph (which I realise is useless) or Humberside sport. There is the possibility that this bloke is genuine but surely there's enough question marks to be waving large flags.
What the hell else is going on in Scunny??

I've been thinking the same. You can only judge the fervour and support of a club through its crowds and, to a point, its input on forums, Twitter, FB etc. If that's the case then they are doomed. Iron Bru has 2 or 3 decent posters but any sensible talk is quickly drownded out by cries of 'shut up/be positive/wait and see' type head in the sand replies
Other posts have mocked the Fishy and Town fans input, claiming the huge Scunny thread on here is some kind of obsession, failing to see that it's a well balanced look at corrupt and inept chairmanship in general, Scunthorpe are sinmpy the leading example right now, also note that there are hundreds of guests on here from other clubs tuning in to see what's going on, each visit upping the number of times the thread has been read.

This is the thread that SHOULD be on Iron Bru. Swann virtually killed the club, Hilton will supply the Kill or Cure solution but their fans apathy might be the thing that turned off the life support.

Doesn't surprise me that the Telegraph aren't covering it, I don't think they really employ journalists anymore. Just click-baiters.

We were so very lucky that James Findlater was in post at the Telegraph when the Fenty/May storm hit. Nothing against the guys who have since followed him but they don't appear to be in the same class when it comes journalistic ability, or they definitely don't have the scope and freedom to express it anyway.

Would have expected a bit more from BBC Humberside and I imagine if he wasn't getting the shove, Burnsy might have dug a bit deeper on it.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Doesn't surprise me that the Telegraph aren't covering it, I don't think they really employ journalists anymore. Just click-baiters.

We were so very lucky that James Findlater was in post at the Telegraph when the Fenty/May storm hit. Nothing against the guys who have since followed him but they don't appear to be in the same class when it comes journalistic ability, or they definitely don't have the scope and freedom to express it anyway.

Would have expected a bit more from BBC Humberside and I imagine if he wasn't getting the shove, Burnsy might have dug a bit deeper on it.

Burnsy has tried over and over again to get Hilton on his show ,was basically begging him the other day .

He refuses,says it all really does it not ?

Yeah, I meant more if he had more time left on his show I imagine he would got to dig even deeper, rather than him not trying.

Personally I've always liked Burnsy and enjoy listening to him, in many ways I preferred it when he was covering Town on occasions as he was less concerned with upsetting people with his questions.

He's a great loss to local radio and raising awareness/challenging local issues.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Yeah, I meant more if he had more time left on his show I imagine he would got to dig even deeper, rather than him not trying.

Personally I've always liked Burnsy and enjoy listening to him, in many ways I preferred it when he was covering Town on occasions as he was less concerned with upsetting people with his questions.

He's a great loss to local radio and raising awareness/challenging local issues.

Maybe he can do it indepent once he's finished his show .

He is good always made me laugh .

Maybe he will go to more Town games now he's finished ,unless he still covers Hull .

I know nothing about the Scunthorpe situation other than what I read on this thread, so I am not going to speculate on what is going on there.

But on the more general point about club owners I met a guy back in the 90's who was a London based business man, a real wheeler dealer type. He was approached by some associates to join in with the purchase of a northern based EFL club. He had no interest in football, and no link at all to the town they were based it. The aim was to close the club and then redevelop the ground, in the town centre which would have made a pretty good profit as the club was on hard times and available for a song.

So he went for it. He tried to get the bank to put the club into administration but they refused on the basis that they did not want to alienate thousands of their customers who were probably supporters of the club. He found it harder than anticipated to close the club due to local opposition. Eventually he sold out to a local business man so he made a smaller profit in the deal.  The new owner injected millions into the club and they enjoyed great success for a time, and ironically did eventually move to a new stadium, but for rather different motives.

We live in a world where opportunities to make a killing like the one above are irresistible to a certain type of entrepreneur, so it will doubtless be seen time and time again in football. The flip side of the coin is the owner who pumps millions into the club to buy unsustainable levels of success. That tends to end in tears eventually once they tire of frittering away their fortune.

We seem to be in the fortunate position of having owners who are neither of the above.  I think we should count our blessings.

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Quoted from RonMariner

I know nothing about the Scunthorpe situation other than what I read on this thread, so I am not going to speculate on what is going on there.

But on the more general point about club owners I met a guy back in the 90's who was a London based business man, a real wheeler dealer type. He was approached by some associates to join in with the purchase of a northern based EFL club. He had no interest in football, and no link at all to the town they were based it. The aim was to close the club and then redevelop the ground, in the town centre which would have made a pretty good profit as the club was on hard times and available for a song.

So he went for it. He tried to get the bank to put the club into administration but they refused on the basis that they did not want to alienate thousands of their customers who were probably supporters of the club. He found it harder than anticipated to close the club due to local opposition. Eventually he sold out to a local business man so he made a smaller profit in the deal.  The new owner injected millions into the club and they enjoyed great success for a time, and ironically did eventually move to a new stadium, but for rather different motives.

We live in a world where opportunities to make a killing like the one above are irresistible to a certain type of entrepreneur, so it will doubtless be seen time and time again in football. The flip side of the coin is the owner who pumps millions into the club to buy unsustainable levels of success. That tends to end in tears eventually once they tire of frittering away their fortune.

We seem to be in the fortunate position of having owners who are neither of the above.  I think we should count our blessings.

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Great post Ron

I think on Scunthorpe Utd

They are gone Ron

Only hope is a phoenix club but that will be long and messy affair.

Quoted from RonMariner

I know nothing about the Scunthorpe situation other than what I read on this thread, so I am not going to speculate on what is going on there.

But on the more general point about club owners I met a guy back in the 90's who was a London based business man, a real wheeler dealer type. He was approached by some associates to join in with the purchase of a northern based EFL club. He had no interest in football, and no link at all to the town they were based it. The aim was to close the club and then redevelop the ground, in the town centre which would have made a pretty good profit as the club was on hard times and available for a song.

So he went for it. He tried to get the bank to put the club into administration but they refused on the basis that they did not want to alienate thousands of their customers who were probably supporters of the club. He found it harder than anticipated to close the club due to local opposition. Eventually he sold out to a local business man so he made a smaller profit in the deal.  The new owner injected millions into the club and they enjoyed great success for a time, and ironically did eventually move to a new stadium, but for rather different motives.

We live in a world where opportunities to make a killing like the one above are irresistible to a certain type of entrepreneur, so it will doubtless be seen time and time again in football. The flip side of the coin is the owner who pumps millions into the club to buy unsustainable levels of success. That tends to end in tears eventually once they tire of frittering away their fortune.

We seem to be in the fortunate position of having owners who are neither of the above.  I think we should count our blessings.
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Hilton isn’t new to football he owned another non
league team for 4 years where he was reasonably thought of. Invested in 3g pitches and infrastructure and got promoted.
He may turn out to be a charlatan and certainly has a history but appears to be someone who gets things done .
The vitriol on here seems to be driven by glee at our neighbours demise rather then any objective analysis

Quoted from HerveJosse

Hilton isn’t new to football he owned another league team for 4 years where he was reasonably thought of. Invested in 3g pitches and infrastructure and got promoted.
He may turn out to be a charlatan and certainly has a history but appears to be someone who gets things done .
The vitriol on here seems to be driven by glee at our neighbours demise rather then any objective analysis

League team?

Quoted from toontown

League team?

Another non league team corrected

Quoted from HerveJosse

Hilton isn’t new to football he owned another non
league team for 4 years where he was reasonably thought of. Invested in 3g pitches and infrastructure and got promoted.
He may turn out to be a charlatan and certainly has a history but appears to be someone who gets things done .
The vitriol on here seems to be driven by glee at our neighbours demise rather then any objective analysis

You could argue at such a small club as llkeston nothing of his past was questioned and he had his crew close to hand for support . Bury turned him away and I would think it likely other clubs of decent standing before it ever even got close to being public,after due diligence .

I don't think there is that much vitriol Herve ,I think most are just astounded both with what's happening and their fans apathy for any sort of clarity over the situation .

The objective analysis is that he's lied , contradicted himself and made U turns in probably double digit figures from the start of his takeover of them , that's not rumour ,just plain facts and that's putting any alleged past misdemeanors asside .

They are finished even if only a small portion on what is on here is true.

I feel sorry for their fans who are hoping Hilton or whatever is name is comes good.

I don't think that will happen and I will miss out local derbies against them .

Let's hope some genuine person comes in and they start again rising the ranks and once again play us in the league.

At 75 I don't think I will live long enough to witness it though.

Quoted from grimsby pete

They are finished even if only a small portion on what is on here is true.

I feel sorry for their fans who are hoping Hilton or whatever is name is comes good.

I don't think that will happen and I will miss out local derbies against them .

Let's hope some genuine person comes in and they start again rising the ranks and once again play us in the league.

At 75 I don't think I will live long enough to witness it though.

I’m not sure people in their sixties will either!

Here’s an incredible fact for you. Since the beginning of the 2010/11 season, Scunthorpe have dropped 5 divisions whilst Luton have risen 5 - a swing of 10 divisions in Luton’s favour.

What’s more incredible though is that during that time, Luton have only been in a league above Scunthorpe for 4 seasons out of a total of 13, during several of which Scunthorpe were grossly overspending to little avail.

As a result, Scunthorpe have in fact spent more in wages in reaching the National League North (from the Championship) than Luton have in reaching the Premier League (from the National League).

I find that absolutely staggering.

Quoted from Poojah

Here’s an incredible fact for you. Since the beginning of the 2010/11 season, Scunthorpe have dropped 5 divisions whilst Luton have risen 5 - a swing of 10 divisions in Luton’s favour.

What’s more incredible though is that during that time, Luton have only been in a league above Scunthorpe for 4 seasons out of a total of 13, during several of which Scunthorpe were grossly overspending to little avail.

As a result, Scunthorpe have in fact spent more in wages in reaching the National League North (from the Championship) than Luton have in reaching the Premier League (from the National League).

I find that absolutely staggering.

Have you found Golly's "Book of Football Facts & Stats" ? ;D ;D ;D

Scunthorpe were seen as one or the best run club in England!

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Scunthorpe were seen as one or the best run club in England!

Runaway also said that about us under Fenty !!!!!

Massive rumour that Hilton has been copulated off, the deal was club and ground, he’s reneged on the ground element although Swann is hardly playing ball so the mess that is SUFC continues…

Another rumour is that you have to notify the league where you’ll be playing by 31st March, they’ve said Glanford Park but as we know, that’s looking increasingly unlikely…

Quoted from aldi_01

Massive rumour that Hilton has been copulated off, the deal was club and ground, he’s reneged on the ground element although Swann is hardly playing ball so the mess that is SUFC continues…

Another rumour is that you have to notify the league where you’ll be playing by 31st March, they’ve said Glanford Park but as we know, that’s looking increasingly unlikely…

What Mr Dave has gone ?

Quoted from buckstown

I really can't understand why the local media aren't all over this story, it's perfect to fill a slot on a low news day.
Not a glimmer on the Scunthorpe section of the telegraph (which I realise is useless) or Humberside sport. There is the possibility that this bloke is genuine but surely there's enough question marks to be waving large flags.
What the hell else is going on in Scunny??

What you have to realise now is the fact that SUFC are a football club in the 6th tier and have a non league status and apart from local support do not attract media attention like they would if they were a football league team, who else apart from Scunny fans and us are really interested in what is happening down there. For us Town fans it’s a continual source of amusement and something to fill in the end of season discussions but apart from that SUFC could disappear and not a lot of football fans from outside the area would really be too bothered. We are are so lucky to have the owners we have and long may it continue. UTM

Quoted from Spurn boy

What you have to realise now is the fact that SUFC are a football club in the 6th tier and have a non league status and apart from local support do not attract media attention like they would if they were a football league team, who else apart from Scunny fans and us are really interested in what is happening down there. For us Town fans it’s a continual source of amusement and something to fill in the end of season discussions but apart from that SUFC could disappear and not a lot of football fans from outside the area would really be too bothered. We are are so lucky to have the owners we have and long may it continue. UTM

This is very true. I was speaking to a genuine Man City fan recently who knows me well and always asks about town. I told him what was happening at Scunny and he was completely shocked - didn’t even know they’d gone down.

You think, when they’re in NLN (IF they’re accepted) their scores aren’t even on any of the national tv and radio channels. Stelling’s replacement may never mention Scunthorpe again…..

That right, the exposure clubs below NL get is minimal, even ex EFL clubs. Hereford and Darlington for example hardly get a mention.

But throughout out all of the drama at Scunthorpe I just keep thinking how something similar might easily have happened to us if things had transpired differently two years ago. The reversal of our downward trajectory is incredible when you think about it. The ownership, management and players have delivered something far beyond any realistic expectations we might have had when we dropped out of the league so ignominiously just 24 months ago. We have come so far in such a short space of time.

Things getting emotional on Twitter again today back and forths ,with that Simon Elliott defending Mr Dave - anyone want a look going on Elliotts replies and go from there.

This Paul Skillington on there is one of Dodgy Daves crew , seems a bit of. Weirdo to .

What is Elliots Twitter name?

Quoted from 123614

What is Elliots Twitter name?

Simonelliott33 .

One, very clearer a burner account regularly goes after my mate on Twitter, for some weird reason he thinks my mate is a landlord of a boozer in Scunny…naturally, my mate has played up to this and tweets the odd cryptic special offer in his non-existent pub…

It’s flipping tragic really, at first it was funny but now I just think they need putting down…

Those burners continue to abuse all and sundry - one even saying he had discussed the situation with Mr David and he's not happy and may well step away .

Max Bell (local councillor) has called out the Iron Bru podcast ,saying they are in cahoots with Swann and leaking out information .

You can't make this lot up , it's taking up too much of my time watching this show .

So I hope one way or another it's resolved or the club goes soon , so I can get off SM again .

The show goes on .

Quoted from Mappers

Those burners continue to abuse all and sundry - one even saying he had discussed the situation with Mr David and he's not happy and may well step away .

Max Bell (local councillor) has called out the Iron Bru podcast ,saying they are in cahoots with Swann and leaking out information .

You can't make this lot up , it's taking up too much of my time watching this show .

So I hope one way or another it's resolved or the club goes soon , so I can get off SM again .

The show goes on .

Forgive my ignorance but what is a burner ?

Quoted from It Bites

Forgive my ignorance but what is a burner ?

Like a burner phone for extra curricular activities (a nokia brick or equivalent )

But the Twitter account version - accounts are created with fictional names , or clones of Scunny fans accounts ; abusing whoever is anti Hilton/ asking reasonable questions on the situation - account disappears and then another created hours or days later - rinse and repeat .

I would suggest being used as a smokescreen to create a false narative , where the end game is Hilton walks away .

I may well be wrong
I might not be
Who knows

Quoted from Mappers

Like a burner phone for extra curricular activities (a nokia brick or equivalent )

But the Twitter account version - accounts are created with fictional names , or clones of Scunny fans accounts ; abusing whoever is anti Hilton/ asking reasonable questions on the situation - account disappears and then another created hours or days later - rinse and repeat .

I would suggest being used as a smokescreen to create a false narative , where the end game is Hilton walks away .

I may well be wrong
I might not be
Who knows

Local MP , that Elliot bloke obviously know more than us because they are in full support of Mr H . The only thing that gets me confused is where the money is coming from

Bit slow moving this now , is it gonna end up in court ?

Quoted from It Bites

Local MP , that Elliot bloke obviously know more than us because they are in full support of Mr H . The only thing that gets me confused is where the money is coming from

Simon Elliott is in the dark as much as everybody else , but is scared witless Hilton walks away and the club 'goes' .
Almost begging people to stop having a pop or asking reasonable questions, quite sad really - he clearly loves the club .

The money ?
It's not is it ,otherwise he would have paid the 3.4mil for the ground and land . So we can assume he's got less than that .
More than likely nowt !

So noone with any affiliation with the club are doing anything except praying . It's all too bizarre to be true

I have to say, I think Mappers has got this bang on, and we’ve been saying it for a long time. Hilton (?) tried to get 1899 Scunny fans (think about it, that was always pushing it) to pay £1899 each to pay for a share of the stadium. Anyone with a calculator could see that would have been the full Swann asking price for Glumford Park. The next thing you know, the £3.5m isn’t paid, and the club try to enforce squatter’s rights!!!!

This is comedy gold. Hilton, or whatever that guy’s name is, hasn’t got the money, and Scunny don’t have anywhere to play home games this coming season.

They are ruined.

Game set and match to Swann. Swann holds his head up and blames Hilton for the demise of SUFC while selling off the stadium and land for development.

What’s becoming increasingly worrying is the fans who are seen as being ‘respected’ among Scunny fans are still peddling the narrative set by Hilton whilst simultaneously ignoring the fact they’ve actually got nowhere to play…

The rumours that Hilton May walk still remain, apparently because he can’t hack the excrement he’s getting on social media, which is ironic given all that burner accounts making personal digs at fans asking legitimate questions link back to him…

Whilst there’s no doubt Swann started this mess, and the set the club on this course to destruction but if I’m honest, unless Hilton sacks it off, I can’t see him waving them. He seems as flipping mental as Swann and I’m not entirely sure he’s got the money, let alone the know how to save them…

We all seem to be getting various quotations from this thread posted all over the show as well Twitter , Iron Bru Facebook all the mod cons .

The famous Fishies ....

Hopefully Mr White does not try and shut us down !

Sweet jesus

'The plan is a state of the art 12500 stadium ,shopping centre and food court .office spaces and a hotel delivered in two years '

David Hilton
31/5/23

Unbelievable Jeff . Where has he said that ?

Done an interview with the Iron Hour guy I think it is

It's all on Twitter space

@YorkyIron .

Mr David has done a little drawing of there new ground ,it's on there .

Quoted from Mappers

Done an interview with the Iron Hour guy I think it is

It's all on Twitter space

@YorkyIron .

Mr David has done a little drawing of there new ground ,it's on there .

Any funding news ?

Hope he pulls it off, I like someone who is motivated , ambitious and able to deliver.

Although I do believe he is actually delusional but thats a different matter 😀

Full thread is below. You’ll have to click on the tweet below to read the full thing. In short, the stadium will be financed through an enabling development (e.g. shopping centre and offices).

All I can say is it’s a good job it’s still 2005; we haven’t had the biggest financial crash in living memory or a once in a century pandemic, bricks and mortar retail is thriving and absolutely every white collar worker works from an office building 5 days a week.

Lordy lord.

Tweet 1663940438795878406 will appear here...

Don’t forget he still hasn’t met with the council, only council officials, technically a bin man is an officer of the council…

Ready for the start of the 25/26 League Two season…

Tweet 1663940815780028423 will appear here...

My last post on the subject because it's getting weird now

Why announce this on a little twitter page and not Radio Humberside or at least the Scunthorpe website?

Quoted from It Bites

My last post on the subject because it's getting weird now

Why announce this on a little twitter page and not Radio Humberside or at least the Scunthorpe website?

I think I will join you mate
This will be a drawn out messy affair ,probably lasting years and them without a ground of their own to play in for a long long time if ever .
Back to Town , have we signed a nnnnineee yet ?

Quoted from It Bites

My last post on the subject because it's getting weird now

Why announce this on a little twitter page and not Radio Humberside or at least the Scunthorpe website?

Because it’s all an absolute steaming pile of horse shít.

It simply isn’t going to happen. It’s merely a smoke screen for the fact that they will be ground sharing with another non-league club for the foreseeable; Hilton admits in his little chat that a deal has been done with another club “just in case”.

It costs about £50 to produce a CAD image of a stadium like that. To deliver the actual stadium will cost something closer to £50m; double that for the scheme as a whole. It’s a pipe dream. A crack pipe dream, more to the point.

Quoted from Mappers

Sweet jesus

'The plan is a state of the art 12500 stadium ,shopping centre and food court .office spaces and a hotel delivered in two years '

David Hilton
31/5/23

Surely the scunny fanbase can't just be swallowing that whopper!

When do they get their Conoco caps?

Last post on this thread for me until 2025

I have set an alarm for 31/5/2025 ' Scunthorpe Utd ground completion date ' on my phone

Let's see where they are then

Isn’t that essentially the same image Fenty presented at PP and Great Coates…

Invites fans to question and challenge him. Anyone who does so rationally gets shot down by the deluded or the burners!

Retail and office space is dead in the main part. If it was alive, the best position would be where Glanford Park currently is, next to a thriving Debenhams (which is still empty).

RH aren't going anywhere near it in my opinion because they are rational and share the opinion of most people on here. It's a real shame what has gone on with Burnsy because he would tear Hilton a new one.

What a complete and utter mess Scunny are in.

Hilton is taking them for a ride and they (surely out of pure desperation) seem totally oblivious to it.

If somethings too good to be true, it usually is.

Just going back to what the Bury supporter reported. How on earth does a geezer like Hilton get the go ahead to own a community asset like a football club? SUFC, love them or loathe them, the whole sorry affair stinks and is yet another blot on those running English football.

Quoted from Mappers

Sweet jesus

'The plan is a state of the art 12500 stadium ,shopping centre and food court .office spaces and a hotel delivered in two years '

David Hilton
31/5/23

How are you going to pay for it?

errrmm a mix of things; levelling up, my own money (that I don't actually have), enabling development blah blah blah.

They are screwed

Quoted from gtfc98

How are you going to pay for it?

errrmm a mix of things; levelling up, my own money (that I don't actually have), enabling development blah blah blah.

They are screwed

He might as well have added ‘Swann’s gambling winnings’ to that rambling list of pipe dreams!

‘The Iron’ my bottom- might as well change their nickname to Scrap Metal.

Quoted from thefish

‘The Iron’ my bottom- might as well change their nickname to Scrap Metal.

I’ll think you’ll find that’s the new name for Glanford Park.

How's this loser going to fund a new 12500 stadium, which would probably cost north of £30 million, when he can't afford to buy their current ground which leaves them essentially homeless and potentially not allowed to enter the NLN next season?

He's absolutely off his head and anyone that trusts him is in a fantasy world.

Totally agree, any Scunny fan buying this steaming pile of horse sh*t is living in a fantasy land

They should call the new ground the Jamestown Stadium.

Quoted from Poojah

Because it’s all an absolute steaming pile of horse shít.

It simply isn’t going to happen. It’s merely a smoke screen for the fact that they will be ground sharing with another non-league club for the foreseeable; Hilton admits in his little chat that a deal has been done with another club “just in case”.

It costs about £50 to produce a CAD image of a stadium like that. To deliver the actual stadium will cost something closer to £50m; double that for the scheme as a whole. It’s a pipe dream. A crack pipe dream, more to the point.

That image would be an embarrassing effort for an A Level design student, never mind for presenting to a planning authority as a pre-planning application concept.

The design fees and other costs to get to planning application will cost as much as buying GP and the land off Swann. Why not just go ahead with the original deal if DH wants development land in Scunthorpe.

So, the club have obtained a leasehold for GP from Hilton himself? Am I reading that correctly? If so, how is that legal?

“We have been speaking to a range of professionals including architects and surveyors”

It took me 8 months to get planning permission for a flipping garage conversion.

Quoted from heppy88

Hilton is taking them for a ride and they (surely out of pure desperation) seem totally oblivious to it.

If somethings too good to be true, it usually is.

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I think it's the pure desperation on their part. A scunny supporting friend of mine basically said as much when I asked him about all the red flags, he acknowledged it and basically said we've just got to hope it isn't balderdash cos otherwise the clubs gone.

They r copulated.

Can someone clarify for me?

Who owns the ground?

Who locked the gates?

Thank you.

Quoted from cannylad65

Can someone clarify for me?

Who owns the ground?

Who locked the gates?

Thank you.

No! The only thing that's clear about Scunny at the moment is that there is no clarity about anything.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Invites fans to question and challenge him. Anyone who does so rationally gets shot down by the deluded or the burners!

Retail and office space is dead in the main part. If it was alive, the best position would be where Glanford Park currently is, next to a thriving Debenhams (which is still empty).

RH aren't going anywhere near it in my opinion because they are rational and share the opinion of most people on here. It's a real shame what has gone on with Burnsy because he would tear Hilton a new one.

I will give my own account of this sorry state of affairs later, as a Scunny fan, but I believe David Burns offered an interview to Hilton. It was ignored.

Quoted from Poojah

It costs about £50 to produce a CAD image of a stadium like that. To deliver the actual stadium will cost something closer to £50m; double that for the scheme as a whole. It’s a pipe dream. A crack pipe dream, more to the point.

£50?

They've had their pants down.

LMA Manager for the PS1 is available for £5.13 on Amazon, I dare say you could get it cheaper if you looked - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Codemasters-LMA-Manager-PS/dp/B00004SQO8

It didn't take long to 'build' a stadium like the one below.

Quoted from diehardmariner

£50?

They've had their pants down.

LMA Manager for the PS1 is available for £5.13 on Amazon, I dare say you could get it cheaper if you looked - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Codemasters-LMA-Manager-PS/dp/B00004SQO8

It didn't take long to 'build' a stadium like the one below.

They weren’t eligible to use it. LMA = League Managers Association. That ship hasn’t just sailed, it’s sunk to the very bottom of the ocean.

Quoted from mariner91

How's this loser going to fund a new 12500 stadium, which would probably cost north of £30 million, when he can't afford to buy their current ground which leaves them essentially homeless and potentially not allowed to enter the NLN next season?

He's absolutely off his head and anyone that trusts him is in a fantasy world.

What I don't understand is that some Scunny supporters are taking this as gospel. Are they just ignoring the red flags or is DH capable of delivering what he has promised?

Quoted from 123614

What I don't understand is that some Scunny supporters are taking this as gospel. Are they just ignoring the red flags or is DH capable of delivering what he has promised?

Take away the rhetoric and what he ( seems ) to own is a football club called Scunthorpe United. I have not read anywhere else that what he has said has happened. He claims to have another ground lined up, but does not specify it! Not Trinity, according to The Fishy, and no others in the area would meet NLN standards; so Ilkeston may be the favourite.

So whichever way you look at it, unless he pays Swann with money he doesn't seem to have, the Iron have had it as a 'local' team for Scunthorpe; if they continue to exist at all.

Good news people, I have just had an exclusive interview with David (insert current alias here) owner of Scunny whilst helping him erect claret and blue corner flags at Bradley Pitches - which he assured me was a precaution only. I can officially clarify the following:

-The A-team has been hired to construct the stands of the new stadium, this should only take 4x 2 minute montages enabling such a short time frame to be realistic
-Woolworths have signed as the flagship commercial store partner
-His council contact is a chap called May Alex
-New Stadium will have a go-cart track like Spurs are building, only this one will be on the stadium roof not underneath it
-When pressed about funding that isn't coming from levelling up or woolies, he hopped into his DeLorean and shouted "where we're playing next season, we don't need roads!"

I believe he is a genuine chap who only has the clubs best interests at heart

Fixtures are only a matter of weeks from getting released.  If they are ground-sharing, it would need to be registered and approved asap to ensure they're not double booked with their hosts.

Working down the leagues and within a generous hour of Scunthorpe

League 2

Doncaster - Already share with the rugby club.  Don't think that pitch could take another 23 games upwards a season.
Mansfield - An hour away, can't see them entertaining a ground share.
Us - Won't happen

Conference (Step 5)

Chesterfield - Already hosts Sheff Utd Under 23's and Women's sides.
York - Very generous hour. Already share with York Knights RL side.

Conference North (Step 6)

Alfreton - Already host Notts Forest Under 23's

Northern Premier League (Step 7)

Gainsborough Trinity - Already knocked back

You're then at Step 8 where you effectively are playing with advertising hoardings round the pitch.  There's very few grounds at this level that would meet Conf. North standards.

It's baffling that any sane Scunthorpe fan would think that anything but a 'temp' move to Ilkeston is on the cards.  They literally have no options, be that through the fault or design of anyone or not.

A quick glance through this thread after recent events reveals general bemusement at this situation from many Grimsby fans, and as a Scunny fan I agree. When Hilton did his original club site interview I would have classified myself as the 'step two' he listed, where I want things to succeed and reserve my right to question, but maybe that's slipping now. What has followed has been worrying to say the least and I am staggered at how many seem content and not so worried. When Hilton gave his fans forum spiel it was obvious that ground issues were coming and I couldn't see how it was anything but Swann having the upper hand given he's ground owner. Yet all I have heard is that Hilton has said this that and the other about some sub-leasing scheme which allows us to play there, and this was treated as foolproof conditions for our stay, even though I am sceptical of its validity.

I get it. After years of misery, relegations, embarrassment and nearly going under with Swann, people want to feel positive again and will cling on to any vision for optimism. People want to be happy and will react badly if pointed out that the dream is built on nothing. People often prefer comforting lies above uncomfortable truths. It may be that Hilton delivers on his promises, but I cannot have faith in it. Not after Swann and how so many questions arise from his past and handling of the club to date. It is quite wearying, especially as to question or criticise seemingly angers those who just want to believe. That makes you a meddling Bury or Grimsby fan, someone who wants the club dead or someone who should support Grimsby. It doesn't compute that if critics wanted the club to fail, we'd be celebrating all this on.

I just don't see what there is to be so positive or nonchalant about. Everything is based off Hilton's word, and that has changed through time. He said he'd got Glanford Park during the deal, with due diligence. That wasn't the case. He said he could rent Glanford Park using his own sub-letting scheme, but is now pivoting to a groundshare. I think the latter is more likely, I suspect Hilton knows it, but some fans are still talking as if we will be playing at Glanford Park next season. Swann hurt fans badly, and hatred towards him ha suspended any kind of scepticism of Hilton. They want Hilton to do one over Swann, so no matter how much it appears as if Swann is in the driving seat for Glanford Park, some will just back Hilton and question anyone daring to say "hang on a second" to Hilton. I don't like Swann and think he holds a lot of responsibility for the mess we're in, but that doesn't matter to legal battles over who has a right to use the stadium, and I can't see how Hilton has the upper hand. Even if I am not a legal bod.

I don't see what there is to trust in Hilton. From the lack of clarity over the ground, to pie eyed schemes of £1899 membership schemes and planned Ilkeston training/operations moves. It seems like he was trying to opaquely buy the ground off the fans going for that scheme, which wasn't very open of Hilton at the time, given most were thinking everything was sorted. Now we have this new stadium to be delivered in 2 years? I have worked in a construction linked industry; the idea of that happening so soon from pre-planning permission to completion is baffling to me. Yet some speak with confidence and bat down such scepticism. Then there are the portfolio of failed ventures, previous people he's lent to reportedly refusing to deal with him and it makes me question how he can work his plans sustainably and professionally. Of course he might prove me wrong, Ilkeston fans like him, but it doesn't exactly generate confidence when you see he has been involved with dodgy telemarketing stuff and failed companies.

Not knowing all the ins and outs of what scunny need for a ground next season, but is Brigg Towns ground adequate and meets any criteria? Also regarding this Mr Hilton guy, if he seems like a dodgy dealer, and not many previous people who have had dealings with him have a good word to say, then basically how does he live generally,eg, pays his gas bill etc, or had he been successful in something previously?

It would be interesting to find out where Scunthorpes new signings are basing themselves. Might give an indication whether Hilton has told them anything…….

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

A quick glance through this thread after recent events reveals general bemusement at this situation from many Grimsby fans, and as a Scunny fan I agree. When Hilton did his original club site interview I would have classified myself as the 'step two' he listed, where I want things to succeed and reserve my right to question, but maybe that's slipping now. What has followed has been worrying to say the least and I am staggered at how many seem content and not so worried. When Hilton gave his fans forum spiel it was obvious that ground issues were coming and I couldn't see how it was anything but Swann having the upper hand given he's ground owner. Yet all I have heard is that Hilton has said this that and the other about some sub-leasing scheme which allows us to play there, and this was treated as foolproof conditions for our stay, even though I am sceptical of its validity.

I get it. After years of misery, relegations, embarrassment and nearly going under with Swann, people want to feel positive again and will cling on to any vision for optimism. People want to be happy and will react badly if pointed out that the dream is built on nothing. People often prefer comforting lies above uncomfortable truths. It may be that Hilton delivers on his promises, but I cannot have faith in it. Not after Swann and how so many questions arise from his past and handling of the club to date. It is quite wearying, especially as to question or criticise seemingly angers those who just want to believe. That makes you a meddling Bury or Grimsby fan, someone who wants the club dead or someone who should support Grimsby. It doesn't compute that if critics wanted the club to fail, we'd be celebrating all this on.

I just don't see what there is to be so positive or nonchalant about. Everything is based off Hilton's word, and that has changed through time. He said he'd got Glanford Park during the deal, with due diligence. That wasn't the case. He said he could rent Glanford Park using his own sub-letting scheme, but is now pivoting to a groundshare. I think the latter is more likely, I suspect Hilton knows it, but some fans are still talking as if we will be playing at Glanford Park next season. Swann hurt fans badly, and hatred towards him ha suspended any kind of scepticism of Hilton. They want Hilton to do one over Swann, so no matter how much it appears as if Swann is in the driving seat for Glanford Park, some will just back Hilton and question anyone daring to say "hang on a second" to Hilton. I don't like Swann and think he holds a lot of responsibility for the mess we're in, but that doesn't matter to legal battles over who has a right to use the stadium, and I can't see how Hilton has the upper hand. Even if I am not a legal bod.

I don't see what there is to trust in Hilton. From the lack of clarity over the ground, to pie eyed schemes of £1899 membership schemes and planned Ilkeston training/operations moves. It seems like he was trying to opaquely buy the ground off the fans going for that scheme, which wasn't very open of Hilton at the time, given most were thinking everything was sorted. Now we have this new stadium to be delivered in 2 years? I have worked in a construction linked industry; the idea of that happening so soon from pre-planning permission to completion is baffling to me. Yet some speak with confidence and bat down such scepticism. Then there are the portfolio of failed ventures, previous people he's lent to reportedly refusing to deal with him and it makes me question how he can work his plans sustainably and professionally. Of course he might prove me wrong, Ilkeston fans like him, but it doesn't exactly generate confidence when you see he has been involved with dodgy telemarketing stuff and failed companies.

Really feel for the genuine fan, but to me he just comes across as a chancer, and a bullsh*tter (you cannot bullsh*t a bullsh*tter). Clearly Swann is making things difficult, maybe they did agree in principle to the ground, but now you have 2 wrong ones in control of the club in some shape, one with the ground and the other with the name, its an absolute disaster and its at points like this tougher measures should be in place to avoid things like this (the club / fans being in the middle) whilst Tom, male private and Harry argue about the club.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

A quick glance through this thread after recent events reveals general bemusement at this situation from many Grimsby fans, and as a Scunny fan I agree. When Hilton did his original club site interview I would have classified myself as the 'step two' he listed, where I want things to succeed and reserve my right to question, but maybe that's slipping now. What has followed has been worrying to say the least and I am staggered at how many seem content and not so worried. When Hilton gave his fans forum spiel it was obvious that ground issues were coming and I couldn't see how it was anything but Swann having the upper hand given he's ground owner. Yet all I have heard is that Hilton has said this that and the other about some sub-leasing scheme which allows us to play there, and this was treated as foolproof conditions for our stay, even though I am sceptical of its validity.

I get it. After years of misery, relegations, embarrassment and nearly going under with Swann, people want to feel positive again and will cling on to any vision for optimism. People want to be happy and will react badly if pointed out that the dream is built on nothing. People often prefer comforting lies above uncomfortable truths. It may be that Hilton delivers on his promises, but I cannot have faith in it. Not after Swann and how so many questions arise from his past and handling of the club to date. It is quite wearying, especially as to question or criticise seemingly angers those who just want to believe. That makes you a meddling Bury or Grimsby fan, someone who wants the club dead or someone who should support Grimsby. It doesn't compute that if critics wanted the club to fail, we'd be celebrating all this on.

I just don't see what there is to be so positive or nonchalant about. Everything is based off Hilton's word, and that has changed through time. He said he'd got Glanford Park during the deal, with due diligence. That wasn't the case. He said he could rent Glanford Park using his own sub-letting scheme, but is now pivoting to a groundshare. I think the latter is more likely, I suspect Hilton knows it, but some fans are still talking as if we will be playing at Glanford Park next season. Swann hurt fans badly, and hatred towards him ha suspended any kind of scepticism of Hilton. They want Hilton to do one over Swann, so no matter how much it appears as if Swann is in the driving seat for Glanford Park, some will just back Hilton and question anyone daring to say "hang on a second" to Hilton. I don't like Swann and think he holds a lot of responsibility for the mess we're in, but that doesn't matter to legal battles over who has a right to use the stadium, and I can't see how Hilton has the upper hand. Even if I am not a legal bod.

I don't see what there is to trust in Hilton. From the lack of clarity over the ground, to pie eyed schemes of £1899 membership schemes and planned Ilkeston training/operations moves. It seems like he was trying to opaquely buy the ground off the fans going for that scheme, which wasn't very open of Hilton at the time, given most were thinking everything was sorted. Now we have this new stadium to be delivered in 2 years? I have worked in a construction linked industry; the idea of that happening so soon from pre-planning permission to completion is baffling to me. Yet some speak with confidence and bat down such scepticism. Then there are the portfolio of failed ventures, previous people he's lent to reportedly refusing to deal with him and it makes me question how he can work his plans sustainably and professionally. Of course he might prove me wrong, Ilkeston fans like him, but it doesn't exactly generate confidence when you see he has been involved with dodgy telemarketing stuff and failed companies.

Very sensible post from a Scunny fan

Quoted from diehardmariner

Fixtures are only a matter of weeks from getting released.  If they are ground-sharing, it would need to be registered and approved asap to ensure they're not double booked with their hosts.

Working down the leagues and within a generous hour of Scunthorpe

League 2

Doncaster - Already share with the rugby club.  Don't think that pitch could take another 23 games upwards a season.
Mansfield - An hour away, can't see them entertaining a ground share.
Us - Won't happen

Conference (Step 5)

Chesterfield - Already hosts Sheff Utd Under 23's and Women's sides.
York - Very generous hour. Already share with York Knights RL side.

Conference North (Step 6)

Alfreton - Already host Notts Forest Under 23's

Northern Premier League (Step 7)

Gainsborough Trinity - Already knocked back

You're then at Step 8 where you effectively are playing with advertising hoardings round the pitch.  There's very few grounds at this level that would meet Conf. North standards.

It's baffling that any sane Scunthorpe fan would think that anything but a 'temp' move to Ilkeston is on the cards.  They literally have no options, be that through the fault or design of anyone or not.

It's Brigg Town or Winterton isn't it! Both probably meet NLN requirements to be fair!

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

A quick glance through this thread after recent events reveals general bemusement at this situation from many Grimsby fans, and as a Scunny fan I agree. When Hilton did his original club site interview I would have classified myself as the 'step two' he listed, where I want things to succeed and reserve my right to question, but maybe that's slipping now. What has followed has been worrying to say the least and I am staggered at how many seem content and not so worried. When Hilton gave his fans forum spiel it was obvious that ground issues were coming and I couldn't see how it was anything but Swann having the upper hand given he's ground owner. Yet all I have heard is that Hilton has said this that and the other about some sub-leasing scheme which allows us to play there, and this was treated as foolproof conditions for our stay, even though I am sceptical of its validity.

I get it. After years of misery, relegations, embarrassment and nearly going under with Swann, people want to feel positive again and will cling on to any vision for optimism. People want to be happy and will react badly if pointed out that the dream is built on nothing. People often prefer comforting lies above uncomfortable truths. It may be that Hilton delivers on his promises, but I cannot have faith in it. Not after Swann and how so many questions arise from his past and handling of the club to date. It is quite wearying, especially as to question or criticise seemingly angers those who just want to believe. That makes you a meddling Bury or Grimsby fan, someone who wants the club dead or someone who should support Grimsby. It doesn't compute that if critics wanted the club to fail, we'd be celebrating all this on.

I just don't see what there is to be so positive or nonchalant about. Everything is based off Hilton's word, and that has changed through time. He said he'd got Glanford Park during the deal, with due diligence. That wasn't the case. He said he could rent Glanford Park using his own sub-letting scheme, but is now pivoting to a groundshare. I think the latter is more likely, I suspect Hilton knows it, but some fans are still talking as if we will be playing at Glanford Park next season. Swann hurt fans badly, and hatred towards him ha suspended any kind of scepticism of Hilton. They want Hilton to do one over Swann, so no matter how much it appears as if Swann is in the driving seat for Glanford Park, some will just back Hilton and question anyone daring to say "hang on a second" to Hilton. I don't like Swann and think he holds a lot of responsibility for the mess we're in, but that doesn't matter to legal battles over who has a right to use the stadium, and I can't see how Hilton has the upper hand. Even if I am not a legal bod.

I don't see what there is to trust in Hilton. From the lack of clarity over the ground, to pie eyed schemes of £1899 membership schemes and planned Ilkeston training/operations moves. It seems like he was trying to opaquely buy the ground off the fans going for that scheme, which wasn't very open of Hilton at the time, given most were thinking everything was sorted. Now we have this new stadium to be delivered in 2 years? I have worked in a construction linked industry; the idea of that happening so soon from pre-planning permission to completion is baffling to me. Yet some speak with confidence and bat down such scepticism. Then there are the portfolio of failed ventures, previous people he's lent to reportedly refusing to deal with him and it makes me question how he can work his plans sustainably and professionally. Of course he might prove me wrong, Ilkeston fans like him, but it doesn't exactly generate confidence when you see he has been involved with dodgy telemarketing stuff and failed companies.

Great post Hodges. What really surprises me is that there's "sensible" Scunny fans with clout like Simon Elliott and to a lesser extent Max Bell throwing their towel in Hilton's corner. I don't understand it, there are so many red flags with the guy and very little of what he's promised has come to fruition. Is there any clarity on how much money he actually has and where it's come from? Also, what's the plan with the 1899 scheme? Is he planning on refunding those who invested? What's happened to that money?

I suspect Elliott is trying to angle himself into a position of influence with Hilton, so doesn't want to rock the boat. He did similar with Swann and bemoaned criticism even when it was obvious the wheels were falling off and Swann was to blame.

Max is part of a podcast which has links with Hilton now, so will probably be careful in what he says. It is not helped by his dislike of the Iron Bru, which probably provoked him into spreading disinformation on social media, while bemoaning rumours about Hilton (the irony).

I have no idea about refunds, but would hope he would consider it after using that and season tickets to tempt people, who evidently thought our future at Glanford Park was secured.

From what I remember of the GTFC application to build a stadium in Great Coates was apart from the local residents objections was the fact that the new stadium would be very near a chemical factory which was Courtaulds and in the event of a serious incident there the evacuation of the stadium would present a serious risk to everyone in the stadium. Looking at where Dynamic Dave is looking to build his new stadium it is very close to the Steelworks and BOC and there is no chance of him getting approval to build a stadium there unless he knows a way of getting round this. UTM

Quoted from Spurn boy

From what I remember of the GTFC application to build a stadium in Great Coates was apart from the local residents objections was the fact that the new stadium would be very near a chemical factory which was Courtaulds and in the event of a serious incident there the evacuation of the stadium would present a serious risk to everyone in the stadium. Looking at where Dynamic Dave is looking to build his new stadium it is very close to the Steelworks and BOC and there is no chance of him getting approval to build a stadium there unless he knows a way of getting round this. UTM

There’s no guarantee those two facilities will still be open by then.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

A quick glance through this thread after recent events reveals general bemusement at this situation from many Grimsby fans, and as a Scunny fan I agree. When Hilton did his original club site interview I would have classified myself as the 'step two' he listed, where I want things to succeed and reserve my right to question, but maybe that's slipping now. What has followed has been worrying to say the least and I am staggered at how many seem content and not so worried. When Hilton gave his fans forum spiel it was obvious that ground issues were coming and I couldn't see how it was anything but Swann having the upper hand given he's ground owner. Yet all I have heard is that Hilton has said this that and the other about some sub-leasing scheme which allows us to play there, and this was treated as foolproof conditions for our stay, even though I am sceptical of its validity.

I get it. After years of misery, relegations, embarrassment and nearly going under with Swann, people want to feel positive again and will cling on to any vision for optimism. People want to be happy and will react badly if pointed out that the dream is built on nothing. People often prefer comforting lies above uncomfortable truths. It may be that Hilton delivers on his promises, but I cannot have faith in it. Not after Swann and how so many questions arise from his past and handling of the club to date. It is quite wearying, especially as to question or criticise seemingly angers those who just want to believe. That makes you a meddling Bury or Grimsby fan, someone who wants the club dead or someone who should support Grimsby. It doesn't compute that if critics wanted the club to fail, we'd be celebrating all this on.

I just don't see what there is to be so positive or nonchalant about. Everything is based off Hilton's word, and that has changed through time. He said he'd got Glanford Park during the deal, with due diligence. That wasn't the case. He said he could rent Glanford Park using his own sub-letting scheme, but is now pivoting to a groundshare. I think the latter is more likely, I suspect Hilton knows it, but some fans are still talking as if we will be playing at Glanford Park next season. Swann hurt fans badly, and hatred towards him ha suspended any kind of scepticism of Hilton. They want Hilton to do one over Swann, so no matter how much it appears as if Swann is in the driving seat for Glanford Park, some will just back Hilton and question anyone daring to say "hang on a second" to Hilton. I don't like Swann and think he holds a lot of responsibility for the mess we're in, but that doesn't matter to legal battles over who has a right to use the stadium, and I can't see how Hilton has the upper hand. Even if I am not a legal bod.

I don't see what there is to trust in Hilton. From the lack of clarity over the ground, to pie eyed schemes of £1899 membership schemes and planned Ilkeston training/operations moves. It seems like he was trying to opaquely buy the ground off the fans going for that scheme, which wasn't very open of Hilton at the time, given most were thinking everything was sorted. Now we have this new stadium to be delivered in 2 years? I have worked in a construction linked industry; the idea of that happening so soon from pre-planning permission to completion is baffling to me. Yet some speak with confidence and bat down such scepticism. Then there are the portfolio of failed ventures, previous people he's lent to reportedly refusing to deal with him and it makes me question how he can work his plans sustainably and professionally. Of course he might prove me wrong, Ilkeston fans like him, but it doesn't exactly generate confidence when you see he has been involved with dodgy telemarketing stuff and failed companies.

Excellent post - and very refreshing to see a fan from rival club engaging sensibly and without any of the rubbish you get on other social media outlets. One of my own ‘concerns’ was/has been how quiet Scunthorpe fans have been on this throughout..almost accepting the club being taken into the brink initially, and then the takeover and shenanigans since/presently. Nothing adds up..and it’s a genuine concern, or should be, for its supporters that the club is in massive trouble.

Quoted from Heisenberg

There’s no guarantee those two facilities will still be open by then.

Good point 👍

Quoted from gtfc98

It's Brigg Town or Winterton isn't it! Both probably meet NLN requirements to be fair!

Looking at pictures of those two grounds, you could probably throw Barton Towns ground into the mix too.

Quoted from 123614

Looking at pictures of those two grounds, you could probably throw Barton Towns ground into the mix too.

How would those towns cope with the influx of Scunny fans in their thousands invading their towns to watch a level 6 game of football.🤣🤣

Quoted from Spurn boy

How would those towns cope with the influx of Scunny fans in their thousands invading their towns to watch a level 6 game of football.🤣🤣

Thousands? That’s really pushing it!

Could those places cope with all the caravans?

Quoted from marinerjase

Excellent post - and very refreshing to see a fan from rival club engaging sensibly and without any of the rubbish you get on other social media outlets. One of my own ‘concerns’ was/has been how quiet Scunthorpe fans have been on this throughout..almost accepting the club being taken into the brink initially, and then the takeover and shenanigans since/presently. Nothing adds up..and it’s a genuine concern, or should be, for its supporters that the club is in massive trouble.

Too fecking right nothing adds up. There are no real-world financial metrics whereby buying contaminated land, remediating it, and building a new stadium, apparently funded by Scunthorpe retail values and levelling up funds is more viable and less risky, than simply paying £3.5 million for a perfectly serviceable 9k capacity stadium, with a decent chunk of land attached. At the same signing on fees and wages for 7 new players, who look decent acquisitions to be fair, have been paid out, but there is no home stadium for the team to play at.
A survey of Scunthorpe fans that asked the question - would you rather:-

1) secure the future of the club at GP and have a few years in mid table NLN while developing young players,or;

2) Spaff a load of cash on imported players to mount a promotion challenge from Ilkeston or elsewhere and lose GP to the club at the same time.

would surely get 1) as a massively strong preference.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Too fecking right nothing adds up. There are no real-world financial metrics whereby buying contaminated land, remediating it, and building a new stadium, apparently funded by Scunthorpe retail values and levelling up funds is more viable and less risky, than simply paying £3.5 million for a perfectly serviceable 9k capacity stadium,

Our Dave says it's not the money, a small unregistered strip of land is what's causing the main issue. ;D One which apparently evaded Mr Swann when he got it off Wharton.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Our Dave says it's not the money, a small unregistered strip of land is what's causing the main issue. ;D One which apparently evaded Mr Swann when he got it off Wharton.

Anyone can pay a small fee and do a title search on the Land Registry. Title insurance is a relatively inexpensive way of dealing with unregistered land. Surely someone is asking simple questions of him.

The guy is hiding from all media outlets which might give him a hard time, preferring scripted soundbytes he can control. When he did a fans' forum he held it to a closed audience where he can baffle with bullshit and the pressure of those happy to hear something positive, no matter its reliability, can make any querying stay silent. The art of the chancer, in my opinion. David Burns said on twitter that he reached out for an interview, but it was ignored. The guy doesn't want to be held to account and too many just want happiness, because contemplating that things are still in the mud is too stressful, so pretending that everything is alright is the least mentally taxing option.

I think this all points to Ilkeston sharing.

Quoted from gtfc98

It's Brigg Town or Winterton isn't it! Both probably meet NLN requirements to be fair!

All signs point to Ilkeston, but is North Ferriby an option?

I'm not sure that North Ferriby could cope with an extra 2-3,000 people there each match day.

Quoted from bedders78

All signs point to Ilkeston, but is North Ferriby an option?

At this point, I can't help but feel that the most likely outcome is that the season doesn't start anywhere for Scunthorpe United, and I'll take some convincing otherwise.

It'll be Gainsborough. Which throws up other issues.

you've bought a season ticket for Scunthorpe, expecting them to play in Scunthorpe. They're now (hypothetically) playing in a different town.

But the club didn't want you to pay by card (where you have protections) and so people have paid by transfer/cash where there's no protections.

I'm sure these two things are total coincidences. But again fans are affected,

A handicapped friend of mine who lives in Barton Upon Humber, has had a season ticket for just over 50 years.
So this year, he had to go to the bank for the cash and then travel to Scunthorpe to purchase his season ticket.
He asked in writing that he would be given his usual seat, which was convenient for his problem, only to have this confirmed by a handshake from the chief operating officer..

It's an interesting point about the 1899 subscribers.

Around 60 invested didn't they? So that's £114k. What has happened to that cash? In the event GP is not purchased, which seems very likely now, one would think those investors should be at least partially refunded.

Quoted from RonMariner

It's an interesting point about the 1899 subscribers.

Around 60 invested didn't they? So that's £114k. What has happened to that cash? In the event GP is not purchased, which seems very likely now, one would think those investors should be at least partially refunded.

Scunny fans investing in the club…

Quoted from bax

It'll be Gainsborough. Which throws up other issues.

you've bought a season ticket for Scunthorpe, expecting them to play in Scunthorpe. They're now (hypothetically) playing in a different town.

But the club didn't want you to pay by card (where you have protections) and so people have paid by transfer/cash where there's no protections.

I'm sure these two things are total coincidences. But again fans are affected,

I thought I read somewhere else in this thread that said Gainsborough are not interested?

Quoted from Poojah

At this point, I can't help but feel that the most likely outcome is that the season doesn't start anywhere for Scunthorpe United, and I'll take some convincing otherwise.

Hilton says we have a plan B in groundshare, but is still claiming Glanford Park will still be the home ground. Fixtures will be out soon; surely our home needs to be in order by then? I am no legal bod, so can't make any expert comment, but I cannot see how Swann can be forced to rent Glanford Park to Hilton if it's against his wishes?

Quoted from Spurn boy

From what I remember of the GTFC application to build a stadium in Great Coates was apart from the local residents objections was the fact that the new stadium would be very near a chemical factory which was Courtaulds and in the event of a serious incident there the evacuation of the stadium would present a serious risk to everyone in the stadium. Looking at where Dynamic Dave is looking to build his new stadium it is very close to the Steelworks and BOC and there is no chance of him getting approval to build a stadium there unless he knows a way of getting round this. UTM

The Town centre, what's left of it, is there too. I'm not sure the risk of 3,000 fans is greater than those doing their usual Saturday shop/going to the cinema etc.

Let's face it, this isn't the hold-up. The site could be in the heart of Chernobyl, the safety issue would be the same because neither are going to get built, nor I suspect is there any actual plans to do so.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Hilton says we have a plan B in groundshare, but is still claiming Glanford Park will still be the home ground. Fixtures will be out soon; surely our home needs to be in order by then? I am no legal bod, so can't make any expert comment, but I cannot see how Swann can be forced to rent Glanford Park to Hilton if it's against his wishes?

Let me make it absolutely clear that I take no pleasure whatsoever in your current circumstances; I hate seeing historic football clubs destroyed by bad or unscrupulous owners, whether that's Wimbledon, Darlington, Bury or Scunthorpe United. My own club allegiance makes absolutely no difference whatsoever in that regard.

But all I see coming from the club are statements and suggestions that are at best juvenile in their naivety and at worst downright deceitful.

I just do not see how we arrive at sensible scenario whereby the club has a viable and stable place to stage its home matches within the next few weeks and I do not see the National League, who are renowned for taking no prisoners in matters like this, allowing Scunthorpe United to enter the NLN without such assurances in place, which brings us to a Bury-esque scenario, albeit brought about in slightly different circumstances.

I hope I'm wrong on that, I sincerely do, but all of the signs point to things coming to a very sorry end in the not too distant future. I wish you all the best mate.

I completely agree, Poojah, and no offence taken. Every single statement released by the club or Hilton just raises more concerns and questions rather than certainty. I've tried to give Hilton benefit of the doubt from his arrival, but with his actions and words to date, along with his historical record, I am left with bad feelings, red flags and things that make no sense.

I feel like it's a disaster waiting to happen, but raising issues just gets you grief from those who want to believe. I suspect if things go awry it will be those of us critical who will get it in the neck for not backing Hilton enough, along with Swann (who takes a large chunk of blame, but Hilton must do too).

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I completely agree, Poojah, and no offence taken. Every single statement released by the club or Hilton just raises more concerns and questions rather than certainty. I've tried to give Hilton benefit of the doubt from his arrival, but with his actions and words to date, along with his historical record, I am left with bad feelings, red flags and things that make no sense.

I feel like it's a disaster waiting to happen, but raising issues just gets you grief from those who want to believe. I suspect if things go awry it will be those of us critical who will get it in the neck for not backing Hilton enough, along with Swann (who takes a large chunk of blame, but Hilton must do too).

"If things go awry"!!

Based on your current situation what has to happen for it to be classed as 'awry'?

If this was Grimsby I would be classing it as a copper bottomed, clusterf*cking omnishambles. Awry would have been a ship that had sailed some time ago.

Quoted from diehardmariner

The Town centre, what's left of it, is there too. I'm not sure the risk of 3,000 fans is greater than those doing their usual Saturday shop/going to the cinema etc.

Let's face it, this isn't the hold-up. The site could be in the heart of Chernobyl, the safety issue would be the same because neither are going to get built, nor I suspect is there any actual plans to do so.

Oh come on! Comparing it to Chernobyl is ridiculous.

One is a toxic wasteland, abandoned for years and rotting away to a distant memory. People long removed from it's centre. Buildings falling down, metal rusting in the damp breeze. It's former purpose and focus now overgrown and useless.

The other is a town in the former Soviet Union that used to have a nuclear power plant.

Ok. Even more awry. By which I mean we have no ground for next year, confirmed. Right now we have those saying we can still play at Glanford Park.

Quoted from 123614

I thought I read somewhere else in this thread that said Gainsborough are not interested?

You did. My mate is father to a very senior guy involved at Trinity and he confirmed to me that Scunny had made a request to ground share but this had been declined. However, he did say the request was for season 2024/25 as Scunny representatives are confident of playing at GP next season!!!

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Oh come on! Comparing it to Chernobyl is ridiculous.

One is a toxic wasteland, abandoned for years and rotting away to a distant memory. People long removed from it's centre. Buildings falling down, metal rusting in the damp breeze. It's former purpose and focus now overgrown and useless.

The other is a town in the former Soviet Union that used to have a nuclear power plant.

I see you’ve been on the comedy juice this morning, Bobby. I think it’s fair to say that Scunny are more fúcked than an attractive teenager in an ITV green room.

It seems that, for some, the issue of concern is that us showing interest/concern rather than the issue at hand with no-one knowing who the intercourse actually owns the club, back-to-back relegations, unpaid wages, a bizarre and unexpected influx of signings on what is a fair presumption of good money, a manager who sounds utterly out of his depth, squabbling fans, a supposed owner who has a Communist state approach to engagement, doubt over where they're going to play next season, worry that the supposed owner is going to move them to Ilkeston...but hey, those bloody interfering codheads, eh!

https://www.iron-bru.co.uk/forums/topic/and-that-boys-and-girls-is-the-hat-trick/page/3/

First of all welcome to the fishy L H B, very good, honest open post.
I know we all laugh at our rivals etc but I do feel for yourself and other true loyal scunthorpe fans.
Please feel free to stick around as posters like yourself are few and far between and are more than welcome onto the fishy

Quoted from lukeo

First of all welcome to the fishy L H B, very good, honest open post.
I know we all laugh at our rivals etc but I do feel for yourself and other true loyal scunthorpe fans.
Please feel free to stick around as posters like yourself are few and far between and are more than welcome onto the fishy

I second that. Rivalry is one thing, but what is happening to your club is apauling.

As i have said before, one of the reasons many of us sympathise so strongly with your plight is that, had the chips fallen differently two years ago, we might well be in a similar position.

Quoted from RonMariner

I second that. Rivalry is one thing, but what is happening to your club is apauling.

As i have said before, one of the reasons many of us sympathise so strongly with your plight is that, had the chips fallen differently two years ago, we might well be in a similar position.

They are gone Ron
Brown bread

I hope they aren't. It was funny seeing them get relegated given the sneering from some of their lot when we went down, but this is something else. Hopefully, some kind of accommodation can be made between Swann and Hilton for them to play at GP otherwise it looks a very dark pit they are in with no easy way out.

No I don't take any pleasure in it
But sometimes the truth hurts
If their fans had some sense of reality it would be helpful
Long drawn out messy affair , the club goes in it's current guise at some point

Mr Dave changes his name again and vanishes (he already seems to have )

We have not been too far wrong about what's happened so far but 'us cods' are just 'getting moist ' because we could not deliver a stadium apparently and have 'an agenda ' i'm not sure anyone does s*nts ,just trying to help ,but fair enough .

I have an apathy for this thread and said I would not post again , but to make it clear how bad things are for them maybe it's worth one last post
Brown Bread
Finished
Terminated
Gone
That's Scunthorpe Utd's future direction

Quoted from Mappers

No I don't take any pleasure in it
But sometimes the truth hurts
If their fans had some sense of reality it would be helpful
Long drawn out messy affair , the club goes in it's current guise at some point

Mr Dave changes his name again and vanishes (he already seems to have )

We have not been too far wrong about what's happened so far but 'us cods' are just 'getting moist ' because we could not deliver a stadium apparently and have 'an agenda ' i'm not sure anyone does s*nts ,just trying to help ,but fair enough .

I have an apathy for this thread and said I would not post again , but to make it clear how bad things are for them maybe it's worth one last post
Brown Bread
Finished
Terminated
Gone
That's Scunthorpe Utd's future direction

But how do you really feel about it….? ;)

Quoted from gtfc_chris

But how do you really feel about it….? ;)

I would suggest to myself to think not once ,not twice but 3 times before hitting the send key and replying to that ,especially after a few beers and watching the plastic clubs game this afternoon !

Quoted from diehardmariner

The Town centre, what's left of it, is there too. I'm not sure the risk of 3,000 fans is greater than those doing their usual Saturday shop/going to the cinema etc.

Let's face it, this isn't the hold-up. The site could be in the heart of Chernobyl, the safety issue would be the same because neither are going to get built, nor I suspect is there any actual plans to do so.

Presumably with all that glowing soil there isn't a need for floodlights at Chernobyl, couple that with very cheap rental charges and it could be quite an attractive temporary base whilst they build the new stadium

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

Presumably with all that glowing soil there isn't a need for floodlights at Chernobyl, couple that with very cheap rental charges and it could be quite an attractive temporary base whilst they build the new stadium

And probably closer than Ilkeston.

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

Presumably with all that glowing soil there isn't a need for floodlights at Chernobyl, couple that with very cheap rental charges and it could be quite an attractive temporary base whilst they build the new stadium

The opportunity for Scunthorpe/Chernobyl jokes is endless:

Chernobyl actually refers to the nuclear power plant but the town that was evacuated and you always see the pictures of (deserted ferris wheel, kids shoes in the street, empty house etc) is called Pripyat. It was custom built to house the workers at the Chernobyl plant. And it isn't in Russia, it's in Ukraine.

So it's a deserted toxic wasteland, currently at war!

Quoted from diehardmariner

Conference North (Step 6)

Alfreton - Already host NOTTINGHAM Forest Under 23's

Fixed that for yer 👍

You go from the absolute joy of the 'Year Ago Today' thread to this pit of doom and despondency. What a contrast.

Still, Swann and Hilton have done something I thought i would never ever see. Load of Town fans feeling sympathy for Scunthorpe. Pretty incredible achievement!

Quoted from Chalky

Fixed that for yer 👍

They’re referred to as ‘Notts Forest’ around these parts, and always will be!

Quoted from RonMariner

You go from the absolute joy of the 'Year Ago Today' thread to this pit of doom and despondency. What a contrast.

Still, Swann and Hilton have done something I thought i would never ever see. Load of Town fans feeling sympathy for Scunthorpe. Pretty incredible achievement!

As someone alluded to a bit higher up , I have a contrasting view of the situation to that Ron - I will continue to bask in our correct place of superiority over them lot (i suggest if you get too concerned ,watch them and that Van Veen in the game when they beat us at BP )

It's gone very quiet over there , and no luck for the poor sods who were sold a whopper with the golden ticket scheme trying to get their money back .

They are gone Ron

Quoted from Mappers

They are gone Ron

Maybe. But football clubs are far more resilient than normal business, and it’s likely they will survive in some form.

But if they did disappear we wouldn’t be able to beat them. Where’s the fun in that?

I'm confused.... Mr D has just been on a scunny FB group as Mr White ?

Yeah he's facing off with some of their fans on there now

It just gets better and better .

'My patience is wearing thin now and the alternative for your club without my money is extremely bleak '

The guy is an idiot whether he has the money or not , just for that paragraph alone .

Quoted from Heisenberg

They’re referred to as ‘Notts Forest’ around these parts, and always will be!

There's people who think that Grimsby is in Yorkshire but it don't make it right

Quoted from Chalky

There's people who think that Grimsby is in Yorkshire but it don't make it right

That's a poor example because those people who say Grimsby is in Yorkshire actually believe that to be the case and are just wrong.

I live in Grantham. That's less than 25 miles from Nottingham. Grantham is full of Forest fans. And the one thing I know about Forest fans is they absolutely hate their club being referred to as Notts Forest. Which is why we use "Notts Forest". They bite every time.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

That's a poor example because those people who say Grimsby is in Yorkshire actually believe that to be the case and are just wrong.

I live in Grantham. That's less than 25 miles from Nottingham. Grantham is full of Forest fans. And the one thing I know about Forest fans is they absolutely hate their club being referred to as Notts Forest. Which is why we use "Notts Forest". They bite every time.

There are also people who actually believe that Notts Forest play at the City Ground,I've even heard Forest being referred to it on Sky Sports but I suppose if it's deliberate to get a rise then I can see why it's said I suppose

Quoted from Mappers

Yeah he's facing off with some of their fans on there now

It just gets better and better .

'My patience is wearing thin now and the alternative for your club without my money is extremely bleak '

The guy is an idiot whether he has the money or not , just for that paragraph alone .

Has he now morphed into Fenty?

Interesting, he makes a point about his money yet he hasn’t actually proved anything yet…

Quoted from Mappers

Yeah he's facing off with some of their fans on there now

It just gets better and better .

'My patience is wearing thin now and the alternative for your club without my money is extremely bleak '

The guy is an idiot whether he has the money or not , just for that paragraph alone .

Which page are you on ?

Scunny Utd Fans group he's gone at 1 ,it's pretty long though mentions ' lies and nonsense created by supporters of other clubs ' I think people have just asked reasonable questions on social media in general .

Their race is run with that plonker at the helm , if he does manage to keep it going a bit what a show it could be .

I am still in no doubt though
They are gone Ron

He has put 'simply shut up ' to this bloke to , we have heard that before !

Ok so I couldn't care less about what happens to SUFC, but having spent a fair amount of time this evening reading their Facebook Fans page, it seems that the greater majority of posts are supportive of DH/DW. So they are our arch rivals and struggling in non league, that doesn't mean that all their supporters are stupid, they obviously have reasons for backing this guy, maybe they are right? I don't know why the majority,(they are saying 98%) are behind him, but what I have seen on Facebook seems to trust in him. Why do you think this is? They are saying he has spent £2.7M already to 'save' the club, is that correct, or do we not 100% know that? All seems a bit odd to me, but then I don't know much about what is going on there.

He's also said he is the "custodian" of the club. This threatening to leave because the fans are not nice is a classic "I'm off! see ya" move. It hasn't worked out but he's always had an exit strategy and he's just put it into action. He is Fenty but with a plan.

Quoted from BlackandWhiteBarmy2

He's also said he is the "custodian" of the club. This threatening to leave because the fans are not nice is a classic "I'm off! see ya" move. It hasn't worked out but he's always had an exit strategy and he's just put it into action. He is Fenty but with a plan.

This is what I don't get, if all the sensible posters on TheFishy are saying he's an imposter, then how come the sensible posters on Scunny Fan pages cannot see it too?

Quoted from 123614

This is what I don't get, if all the sensible posters on TheFishy are saying he's an imposter, then how come the sensible posters on Scunny Fan pages cannot see it too?

Maybe both of them are not on line at the moment 😉

The Scunny guy on here has his doubts and seems sensible

Quoted from 123614

Ok so I couldn't care less about what happens to SUFC, but having spent a fair amount of time this evening reading their Facebook Fans page, it seems that the greater majority of posts are supportive of DH/DW. So they are our arch rivals and struggling in non league, that doesn't mean that all their supporters are stupid, they obviously have reasons for backing this guy, maybe they are right? I don't know why the majority,(they are saying 98%) are behind him, but what I have seen on Facebook seems to trust in him. Why do you think this is? They are saying he has spent £2.7M already to 'save' the club, is that correct, or do we not 100% know that? All seems a bit odd to me, but then I don't know much about what is going on there.

Much like them my race is run .

Explaining all of his fundamental errors , lies and contradictions in his short tenure at our neighbours .

You can get the summary on this thread
Mr David is a liability and I suspect a chancer or/and a very naughty boy .

Quoted from 123614

This is what I don't get, if all the sensible posters on TheFishy are saying he's an imposter, then how come the sensible posters on Scunny Fan pages cannot see it too?

Their club is brown bread and deep down they all know it. The first stage of grief is denial, most of them are not beyond that stage yet.

Quoted from Mappers

Much like them my race is run .

Explaining all of his fundamental errors , lies and contradictions in his short tenure at our neighbours .

You can get the summary on this thread
Mr David is a liability and I suspect a chancer or/and a very naughty boy .

Sometimes you need a liability and a chancer to have a go where the sensible would fear to tread

Suspect the reason it's all gone quiet is that Swan and what's his name are doing a deal for them to play at GP on a rental basis
Don't think either of them has sufficient spare cash to throw about going to court

Scunthorpe might not be the best Lincolnshire side in the NLN next season, Boston have signed Bostwick and are looking decent.

They might not be in the NLN next season if Hilton carries on in this vein.

Quoted from Nutsy

Scunthorpe might not be the best Lincolnshire side in the NLN next season, Boston have signed Bostwick and are looking decent.

Should hold their defence together

Quoted from mariner91

Their club is brown bread and deep down they all know it. The first stage of grief is denial, most of them are not beyond that stage yet.

So what about the £2.7M he has supposedly put into the club?

Quoted from 123614

So what about the £2.7M he has supposedly put into the club?

And this is why he has doubters .......

I'm putting 10 million in to Grimsby Town and helping them build a new ground because I won £122 million on the euro millions

That paragraph didn't hurt me and I've told the Grimsby fans more than his statements have . I've backed it up with a fact .

Just for the record I didn't win but you get my drift 🤣🤣

Maybe the Scunny fans have seen proof, as they are signing some decent players according to others, but it just feels fake. What we don't know is where they will be playing next season GP, Ilkeston, Immingham Town lol and if there is no ground / groundshare would they get kicked out the league, i would imagine his default option would be Ilkeston. But if they were the signed players would have to play x Tier lol.

Quoted from 123614

So what about the £2.7M he has supposedly put into the club?

This man said the deal for the club had included Glanford Park. It hasn’t.
He erected a sign in a random field and said they’d put a new stadium and enabling development on there in two years time and that the local council knew about it. The council said they knew nothing of the sort.
His past business dealings are interesting to say the least.
He has changed his name multiple times.
I could go on.

Unless there is irrefutable evidence then are you really going to believe that this man has put £2.7 million of his own money in to the club?

Quoted from Maringer

They might not be in the NLN next season if Hilton carries on in this vein.

Never mind next season, will they be in the NLN come Christmas given the alleged insight into his dealings?

Quoted from mariner91

This man said the deal for the club had included Glanford Park. It hasn’t.
He erected a sign in a random field and said they’d put a new stadium and enabling development on there in two years time and that the local council knew about it. The council said they knew nothing of the sort.
His past business dealings are interesting to say the least.
He has changed his name multiple times.
I could go on.

Unless there is irrefutable evidence then are you really going to believe that this man has put £2.7 million of his own money in to the club?

I don't know whether or not he has put that money into the club, that's why I am asking on here, and on the Scunny Fans page for cast iron proof that he has! So far I have not received an answer.

Quoted from 123614

I don't know whether or not he has put that money into the club, that's why I am asking on here, and on the Scunny Fans page for cast iron proof that he has! So far I have not received an answer.

I’d agree, it’s one thing for him to say he’s put money in (we had someone that continually told us he had when the facts said different) but it’s another to actually do it.

For what’s it’s worth, I suspect he has put some money in and has likely made some of those payments he claims but the fact he jumps on anyone that dare to question him, or challenges him, won’t go on any real media outlet other than a podcast ran by a fan and then goes on to make lengthy Facebook comments is a bit odd.

He also pulled the classic Fenty line of ‘I don’t see anyone else putting money in’ blah blah…

It’s all murky and I think the scunny fans swallowing it must just be so desperate that they’ll believe anything.

Also, two posts that I posted on the Scunny United Fans Group on Facebook appear to have been deleted, after being marked as Pending for Admins approval. It looks to me like they think I have an ulterior motive, but I don't, I am just interested to see if this guy is genuine.

How do I post an image here? I wanted to post an image that showed that the Admin on the Scunny United Fans Forum on Facebook has declined my latest post asking for proof of the claim that DH has put £2.7M into the club. Says a lot!

As a town fan who lives close to Scunthorpe and attends some of there home games (in a Grimsby shirt of course though) I do feel for the real fans, but we have to remember what they did to us when we were relegated. So… Ha! Karma

Didn’t seem right that this thread had dropped of the first page

Are they still a thing then, this Scunthorpe place? Or have they been kicked out of NLN for being groundless yet? Will this soap opera ever be televised?

What an improvement .. ;D

Head Coach and former interim manager Michael Nelson has left the club.

Quoted from tintowner

Head Coach and former interim manager Michael Nelson has left the club.

knows a sinking ship

Quoted from tintowner

Head Coach and former interim manager Michael Nelson has left the club.

The only competent member of staff left at the club. Thought they were gonna crawl out of it when he was in charge.

Personal reasons, they actually put out a well thought out statement to be fair. The only positive in the last 3 years 😄

They've singed Cal Roberts who left Notts for a fee to go to Aberdeen last summer. Was one of Notts' best players, very injury prone but quality at NL level, was the one who score against us at their place in the league. Ridiculous signing for NLN.

It's all excrement or bust for them.

I still don't see a happy ending for them, the owner sounds dodgy as hell (I should know, I've seen 3 at my club in 20 years) (roulette)

It looks like Scunthorpe United will be playing at their home ground for the coming season for the first time on Saturday 15 July 2023...

;D ;D ;D

You know when you’re going down the High St and there’s that shop that’s currently a dessert parlour, but was a vape shop last month, an American sweet shop before that and a nail salon the month before that?

Yeah that’s how I’m looking at Scunny at the minute.

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

It's all excrement or bust for them.

I still don't see a happy ending for them, the owner sounds dodgy as hell (I should know, I've seen 3 at my club in 20 years) (roulette)

On paper Scunny should walk that league ............ If they don't go up then I fear the worst

Quoted from It Bites

On paper Scunny should walk that league ............ If they don't go up then I fear the worst

At present, that is a good point. I can also see the Scunts coming out of that league in a season. Relegated.

Has it been agreed that they can play at Glumford Park yet?

Quoted from Heisenberg

Has it been agreed that they can play at Glumford Park yet?

Mr White says it's '100% confirmed ' they play at GP next season , he's all over their Facebook group answering questions and still making the odd threat of walking away when somebody questions him ; he says the new stadium plans are 'coming along well ' or something along those lines .

Dead amateur , can you imagine Jason,Andrew or DC going on our fans facebook group , on their account and debating with fans ?

Just makes me feel we are even more lucky to be stable and have them .

excrement or bust for our neighbours, maybe he's managed to raise enough £££££ to have one big go at getting to the NL ?

I love how we’re still managing to absolutely rattle some of you lot despite how far we have fallen. The rivalry is still alive and I’m all here for it.

Jury remains on Hilton, personally I’m on the ride and praying it ends with us back in the football league in years to come. A lot of nonsense rumours going around by faceless men on social media and have quickly gone into hiding.

Excited for next season, be going to some places I never thought I would see Scunny in but should hopefully see us win a lot more games than what we are used too and with a pint in my hand too.

UTI

Don’t think you’ve rattled anyone tbh..most comment as they’re either just genuinely concerned, or bewildered…or both.

Sorry, hope I’m wrong ..but nothing adds up. It’s only ending one way. Which is a massive shame, genuinely.

Quoted from marinerjase

Don’t think you’ve rattled anyone tbh..most comment as they’re either just genuinely concerned, or bewildered…or both.

Sorry, hope I’m wrong ..but nothing adds up. It’s only ending one way. Which is a massive shame, genuinely.

This.
But I do genuinely hope it works out and you get back to where you belong... NL.

A quote from the new guy
“The only aim for me is to help the club win the league"

That's a very bold statement. It won't be easy that's for sure! And even then IF they did what next? NL is an absolute nightmare to get out of and all the money in the world could still see you not win the league for some time

To be fair, he’s not gonna come out and say ‘I’ve joined the club because I like chaos, I thrive on not knowing if the club can honour my contract or the raffle related to where we’re gonna be playing…’

Noone is rattled, I actually think a lot of town fans are concerned. It's like a family member you don't like ...... It's ok to hate you but if anyone tries to fcuk you over we get a bit protective. The people of Grimsby are good people ( I don't live there ) they have big massive Hearts . Scunthorpe Fans need to except their fate , what ever that may be because a lot of good people have tried , in their own way , to help .

Good Luck

Quoted from BIron

I love how we’re still managing to absolutely rattle some of you lot despite how far we have fallen. The rivalry is still alive and I’m all here for it.

Jury remains on Hilton, personally I’m on the ride and praying it ends with us back in the football league in years to come. A lot of nonsense rumours going around by faceless men on social media and have quickly gone into hiding.

Excited for next season, be going to some places I never thought I would see Scunny in but should hopefully see us win a lot more games than what we are used too and with a pint in my hand too.

UTI

It's understandable that after one terrible owner in Swann, with Hilton promising the world fans will naturally buy into the notion that everything will be brilliant.

We're not rattled by anything down the road, as others have said previously, we're actually concerned for you. We love seeing our rivals have a little downturn and we'll bask in it given how the same when the roles were reversed. But ultimately, although it's a little funny what's happening, to lose a rivalry doesn't do anyone any favours. Also, as general football fans, we actually wouldn't want to see the good fans of SUFC lose their club, in the same way as Bury, Macclesfield etc.

We have the benefit of looking at things a little more objectively as we're not emotionally attached and when you lay everything out on the ground, there's a lot there to cause concern and lot's of things that don't add up. Please don't let us take away your optimism but I think our suggestion would be to have a little look more deeply and consider the need for some back-up expectations if all doesn't go well...

Club spends money it doesn't have on players it can't afford...
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Club gets into massive, unserviceable debt...
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Club goes into meltdown...
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Club gets relegated into the National League North...
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"Hooray, new ownership!"
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Club spends money it doesn't have on players it can't afford...
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"Bloody hell, lads, we've really got them cod 'eds rattled now..."

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Some people will never learn.

To paraphrase:

Promoted back to the league, a very safe 11th in our first season back, an historic run to the FA Cup quarter finals - where did it all go wrong?

I bet you'd swap our 'rattled' for your situation in a heartbeat.

Quoted from Poojah

Club spends money it doesn't have on players it can't afford...
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Club gets into massive, unserviceable debt...
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Club goes into meltdown...
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Club gets relegated into the National League North...
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"Hooray, new ownership!"
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Club spends money it doesn't have on players it can't afford...
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"Bloody hell, lads, we've really got them cod 'eds rattled now..."

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Some people will never learn.

I still think WHEN it all goes pear , Hilton's go to response will be to blame Bury , Cods ; all and sundry for their demise .

It will be an entirely predictable circle of blame , I'm hoping they don't lap it up down the road .

I've offered a scunylny fan 100/1 odds for him thinking they'll get back to back promotions

Quoted from lukeo

I've offered a scunylny fan 100/1 odds for him thinking they'll get back to back promotions

That is absolutely idiotic. I’m mean, come on - admitting to being friends with a Scunny fan!

Have a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror before posting on here again.

Quoted from Heisenberg

That is absolutely idiotic. I’m mean, come on - admitting to being friends with a Scunny fan!

Have a long, hard look at yourself in the mirror before posting on here again.

Where does it say friend? Its Some random twitter account

Quoted from marinerjase

Don’t think you’ve rattled anyone tbh..most comment as they’re either just genuinely concerned, or bewildered…or both.

Sorry, hope I’m wrong ..but nothing adds up. It’s only ending one way. Which is a massive shame, genuinely.

That’s why I said ‘some’ of you, not aiming it at everyone on here. Nip on here every now and then just to check what gets said on this thread. Genuinely appreciate the concern from the ones that mean it as well.

As for burying my head in the sand, what on earth do you all expect us to do as supporters? We have a chairman who has shown at the forum he has proof of funds and is clearly splashing the cash to get us back where we belong.

Don’t listen to the negative doom and gloom, I guess I shouldn’t be expecting positive things about Scunny on our rivals fan forum so that is my overlook.

UTI

Quoted from It Bites

Noone is rattled, I actually think a lot of town fans are concerned. It's like a family member you don't like ...... It's ok to hate you but if anyone tries to fcuk you over we get a bit protective. The people of Grimsby are good people ( I don't live there ) they have big massive Hearts . Scunthorpe Fans need to except their fate , what ever that may be because a lot of good people have tried , in their own way , to help .

Good Luck

Appreciate the good luck message but not sure many people from Grimsby get over protective about Scunny failing, don’t buy that one unfortunately. I understand it is important the rivalry remains and that we still have a club to support which we do. People need to understand how much damage Swann has caused and what Hilton is left to pick up instead of criticising him.

UTI

Quoted from gtfc_chris

It's understandable that after one terrible owner in Swann, with Hilton promising the world fans will naturally buy into the notion that everything will be brilliant.

We're not rattled by anything down the road, as others have said previously, we're actually concerned for you. We love seeing our rivals have a little downturn and we'll bask in it given how the same when the roles were reversed. But ultimately, although it's a little funny what's happening, to lose a rivalry doesn't do anyone any favours. Also, as general football fans, we actually wouldn't want to see the good fans of SUFC lose their club, in the same way as Bury, Macclesfield etc.

We have the benefit of looking at things a little more objectively as we're not emotionally attached and when you lay everything out on the ground, there's a lot there to cause concern and lot's of things that don't add up. Please don't let us take away your optimism but I think our suggestion would be to have a little look more deeply and consider the need for some back-up expectations if all doesn't go well...

Thank you for the nice response I cannot argue with that. I understand how it all looks and there is clearly still concerns with the ground saga and we all obviously hope it is resolved soon. We have 1,500 season ticket holders for NLN which is impressive considering the years of misery we have had to endure in recent times.

Just doing my best to keep the faith and get behind the new owner and hope he is the man. The signings are unbelievable, just hope there is a team out of them and we can get back where we belong and get playing each other again.

UTI

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

To paraphrase:

Promoted back to the league, a very safe 11th in our first season back, an historic run to the FA Cup quarter finals - where did it all go wrong?

I bet you'd swap our 'rattled' for your situation in a heartbeat.

I commented on here at the time and said credit where it’s due for the past few years you have had through gritted teeth. The fa cup run was unbelievable. I just find it amusing that little old Scunny are still one of your main talking topics on this forum.

You want us to be back really, you’ve had your laugh at how far we’ve fallen. Now it’s time for us to try rise back up again. Hopefully we will!

UTI

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I commented on here at the time and said credit where it’s due for the past few years you have had through gritted teeth. The fa cup run was unbelievable. I just find it amusing that little old Scunny are still one of your main talking topics on this forum.

You want us to be back really, you’ve had your laugh at how far we’ve fallen. Now it’s time for us to try rise back up again. Hopefully we will!

UTI

What are your thoughts on Hilton being on the Facebook group answering questions/doubters etc ?

Not sure what to make of it , he's either truly transparent (and thinks he can be in the new stadium in 2 years ) or trying to use smokescreens .

Right, here's the issue I have, BIron. Let me spell it out once and for all.

Naturally, it's a somewhat silly but real reflection of tribalism in football, that I should want to see Scunthorpe United struggle, given my position as a Grimsby Town fan. The reverse is also true of course, and there's nothing really wrong with that. But I have never liked, do not like, and will never like historic football clubs being destroyed by careless and / or unscrupulous owners. I'd add MK Dons as the exception to that rule, but I don't have to since they're not an historic football club.

In terms of where you find yourselves today, in the National League North, 99.99% of the blame for that sits with Peter Swann - a man who has done untold and potentially irreversible damage to a local institution. He did so, ultimately, by putting his own interests ahead of the club's long-term future and either didn't consider or didn't care about the risks involved from the club's perspective.

I could tell you that it surprised and maybe even angered me that it took so long for Iron supporters to wake up and smell the coffee, but that's irrelevant now. You can't change the past. But you can, as a collective of supporters with a common interest, change the future, or at least plan today for the numerous different paths fate might take the club down.

So let's start with where we are right now, with the club under the ownership of one David Hilton / White (enter additional pseudonyms here). If we think back, just two summers ago, we, Grimsby Town, ushered in two new joint owners in Jason Stockwood and Andrew Pettit, much to the delight of the club's fanbase.

There were two main reasons behind this delight. Number one, they weren't John Fenty, and that's at least one claim David Hilton can hang on to. He's not Peter Swann. Number two, though, was much more important. They were people who had been born and grown up in the town, long-standing supporters of GTFC, and most importantly of all, had very transparent and traceable roots to their wealth, namely hugely successful careers in their own respective, legitimate lines of business. They also had some very clear and well defined values, which was a bonus.

I've heard and read a lot of rumours that don't paint David Hilton in a particularly good light at all, but since I can't vouch for the validity or accuracy of any of them, I'll steer clear of making spurious or even libellous claims. But there do appear to be a number of largely unanswered questions about the man, which collectively, amount to a very large red flag.

- Just how wealthy is David Hilton?
- What is the source of that wealth?
- Is / are the source[s] legitimate? And if we can tick the legitimate box, how about "noble"?
- Why all the name changes?
- Besides all this, why does he purportedly want to pump millions of his presumably hard-earned cash into saving Scunthorpe United, a club he has no prior connection to?

Aside from the above, there are broader questions about the way he appears to be running the club. What on earth is going on with Glanford Park? What's all this nonsense about a new multi-million pound stadium delivered within 2 years? The appointment of a manager very much out of his depth at a professional club? The scattergun approach to transfers? And what's with all the abuse sceptical fans have found themselves subject to on Twitter and the like? It's all quite peculiar, and whilst Peter Swann's end game was always abundantly clear, Hilton is certainly harder to size-up in that regard.

Your latest signing, Callum Roberts, raises far more questions than it answers. I won't lie, I nearly fell off my chair when I saw he'd signed for you. I thought he was one of the best players in the National League during our promotion season, and I felt could easily go and play at a higher level, as he technically did when he signed for Aberdeen last year. Hands up, in spite of his recent injury record, I wouldn't have been disappointed to see him rock up at Blundell Park this week.

But "rattled" certainly isn't how I'd describe my reaction. It wasn't one of "wow, that's a bloody good signing", but more one of "erm...that just doesn't compute - there's something not right there".

Aberdeen finished 3rd in the SPL last season; they are one of the biggest clubs in Scotland behind Celtic and Rangers. Roberts will have been on between £2k and £3k a week there, and given that he's been happy to rip up a further 2 years on his contract at Pittodrie and sign for a troubled and volatile club relegated to the NLN indicates he's probably been offered even more money at Scunthorpe, a club which will have probably less than 10% of his former club's income next season.

How on earth is that possible? It doesn't stack up, does it? The only way it can happen is if Hilton pays him £150k+ a year out of his own pocket, and why would he want to do that on top of everything else he's already having to spend to prop the club up?

Ultimately, Scunthorpe United are falling into the same trap that took them here in the first place. Spending well beyond what the club organically generates in revenue to bring a better standard of player to the club. That's fine if you have a benefactor of quantifiable wealth and a clear motivation to see things through come rain or shine.

But I'm just not seeing that. I see a man at the helm who's game plan isn't clear. Is he genuine in his plans for the club? Is he legitimately wealthy? Is he prepared to underwrite the club's continued losses until it is truly back on its own feet? Or is he none of those things? Is he something else altogether?

There simply isn't sufficient evidence in the public domain to make a definitive call either way, but the many gaps in what we know and the demeanour of Hilton's modus operandi make it difficult to feel like backing the positive horse is a sensible choice. Given what the club has been through already, a sizeable dollop of scepticism can only be healthy. That means continuing to probe, continuing to ask questions, even, if not especially, when the news appears to be positive on the surface, and planning, now, for the eventuality that things go well and truly títs up. It means being proactive, not reactive. That's a crucial distinction.

Fool you once, shame on them. Fool you twice, shame on you.

Hilton will ultimately be a disaster for Scunny, but when you look at context, he can be no worse.

It won’t end well though and everything he said is still no more valid than claims made by a bloke down the pub…

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What are your thoughts on Hilton being on the Facebook group answering questions/doubters etc ?

Not sure what to make of it , he's either truly transparent (and thinks he can be in the new stadium in 2 years ) or trying to use smokescreens .

I like it personally but don’t like to hear too much. Swann liked the sound of his own voice and spoke up far too much and controlled too much as well. Hilton is having to speak up to constantly reassure supporters. Some of it is rightly so, others are just critical of every little move he makes. It is daunting but ultimately he saved the club we have to give him a chance.

As for the new stadium in 2 years absolutely no chance. North Lincs Council are a nightmare at the best of times too.

Focusing on the present and that is some top quality signings and chance to watch us win plenty of games next season. And hopefully finish the season as title winners and back in the NL (never thought I would view that as an achievement but here we are)

UTI

Quoted from BIron

I like it personally but don’t like to hear too much. Swann liked the sound of his own voice and spoke up far too much and controlled too much as well. Hilton is having to speak up to constantly reassure supporters. Some of it is rightly so, others are just critical of every little move he makes. It is daunting but ultimately he saved the club we have to give him a chance.

As for the new stadium in 2 years absolutely no chance. North Lincs Council are a nightmare at the best of times too.

Focusing on the present and that is some top quality signings and chance to watch us win plenty of games next season. And hopefully finish the season as title winners and back in the NL (never thought I would view that as an achievement but here we are)

UTI

The big question I'd be asking is ... What happens when we don't go up next season ?
No FA funding .
Even less season ticket sales

I think even you know you won't walk that league . Top 8 if you're lucky , bottom 8 if you're not

I didn't care about Scunny when they were 3 leagues above us and I don't care now they are 2 leagues below us.

I don't want them to go out of business, but until or unless we are in the same league as them, or draw them in the cup, I couldn't care less about them.

I am reminded that if something looks too good to be true, it probably is. I just can’t figure out why someone with no affiliation to Scunthorpe would want to risk throwing huge wads of cash at them? That’s why I remain sceptical.

Promising players big wages is easy. Let’s see if the cash is there to pay them.

Nothing about this situation makes much sense to me. But time will tell.

Maybe they're making a documentary as well, for comedy Central.

Has anybody asked.Hilton why he has changed his name six times and why ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

Has anybody asked.Hilton why he has changed his name six times and why ?

Bury asked him and he wouldn’t tell them. Anything.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Has anybody asked.Hilton why he has changed his name six times and why ?

Only 3 reason why you change your name

You get married
You are Reginald Kenneth Dwight and want to be called Elton Hercules John
The Police are after you.

Quoted from GrimPol

Only 3 reason why you change your name

You get married
You are Reginald Kenneth Dwight and want to be called Elton Hercules John
The Police are after you.

Or change gender

Or if you were married to a drug kingpin though find out his actions so leave him with your son, and you change your name and start fresh in a small town. This is fine for a while, until an undercover cop by the name Detective John Kimble (no relation to Richard), joins the local elementary school as a teacher working in the nursery class. Whilst you fall for the undercover cop, he brings your ex back onto the scene and causes all sorts of mayhem with the nursery kids in class, resulting in a final showdown at the local theme park.

Quoted from SteffiMariner

Or if you were married to a drug kingpin though find out his actions so leave him with your son, and you change your name and start fresh in a small town. This is fine for a while, until an undercover cop by the name Detective John Kimble (no relation to Richard), joins the local elementary school as a teacher working in the nursery class. Whilst you fall for the undercover cop, he brings your ex back onto the scene and causes all sorts of mayhem with the nursery kids in class, resulting in a final showdown at the local theme park.

Classic

Quoted from SteffiMariner

Or if you were married to a drug kingpin though find out his actions so leave him with your son, and you change your name and start fresh in a small town. This is fine for a while, until an undercover cop by the name Detective John Kimble (no relation to Richard), joins the local elementary school as a teacher working in the nursery class. Whilst you fall for the undercover cop, he brings your ex back onto the scene and causes all sorts of mayhem with the nursery kids in class, resulting in a final showdown at the local theme park.

You must be looking through Sunny Scunny Bunny Glasses to think DH (errrr D White err D Anderson) looks like AS.
Mind you Grimps Gender Change theory sounds more promising.

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I am reminded that if something looks too good to be true, it probably is. I just can’t figure out why someone with no affiliation to Scunthorpe would want to risk throwing huge wads of cash at them? That’s why I remain sceptical.

Promising players big wages is easy. Let’s see if the cash is there to pay them.

Nothing about this situation makes much sense to me. But time will tell.

Reasons for buying a football club.
1  Sports Washing. Clearly SUFC not on any Arabic list, and once DH DW DA finishes with them, SUFC will not even have a shirt on their backs to wash.
2  Local businessman makes a fortune and wants to "do good for the town, or extend his/her/their tackle". Doesn't somehow fit with Mr 3names.
3  Spiv/Wideboy/Shyster sees an opportunity in making a quick buck.    I'm struggling here though, but just because I can't see it, Mr 3names might.     Except ManUtd of course which actually bought itself, paid off its own debts of purchase, and will make a fortune for some chiseler from USA whose name I've forgotten.   I wish I had thought of it myself mind.
4.  An altruistic person who just wants to bring joy to millions, err thousands err, hundreds. I saw him/her/they riding a unicorn just last week.
4

I think some of you might have egg on your faces as the season progresses. I say this because almost all the posts I see on their forum are positive, and if nothing else, DH/DW talks a good talk. Whether he can walk the walk or not we will see in the months/years to come, but a lot of Scunny fans see him as the Messiah who has saved their club.

I don't care what happens with Scunny either way, I'm just posting this as an observation, not an opinion, on what I have seen on social media.

Quoted from SteffiMariner

Or if you were married to a drug kingpin though find out his actions so leave him with your son, and you change your name and start fresh in a small town. This is fine for a while, until an undercover cop by the name Detective John Kimble (no relation to Richard), joins the local elementary school as a teacher working in the nursery class. Whilst you fall for the undercover cop, he brings your ex back onto the scene and causes all sorts of mayhem with the nursery kids in class, resulting in a final showdown at the local theme park.

You should talk to Sutton Mariner, our resident firm maker - sounds like a blockbuster in the making, or at least a mini-series

No way scunny get through this season without non payment of wages . I’d be surprised if they get to Christmas. Unless all these signings have got their money upfront but I doubt it .

Just watched a you tube documentary about George Reynolds and the Darlington catastrophe. A guy with a worrying past comes in with big ideas about a stadium, pumps in a few million, and before long the club is totally destroyed.

Not saying Hilton is like Reynolds’s, who had actually done a few stints behind bars, but it certainly might serve as a cautionary tale regarding apparent saviours.

I am sure AndyDarlo would give chapter and verse on the whole sorry saga.

Like I said before, I don’t want to see Scunthorpe vanish, but I would be deeply concerned if I were one of their fans.

Quoted from RonMariner

Just watched a you tube documentary about George Reynolds and the Darlington catastrophe. A guy with a worrying past comes in with big ideas about a stadium, pumps in a few million, and before long the club is totally destroyed.

Not saying Hilton is like Reynolds’s, who had actually done a few stints behind bars, but it certainly might serve as a cautionary tale regarding apparent saviours.

I am sure AndyDarlo would give chapter and verse on the whole sorry saga.

Like I said before, I don’t want to see Scunthorpe vanish, but I would be deeply concerned if I were one of their fans.

Can we categorically say that Hilton hasn't been behind bars? We don't even really know what his real name is.

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I think some of you might have egg on your faces as the season progresses. I say this because almost all the posts I see on their forum are positive, and if nothing else, DH/DW talks a good talk. Whether he can walk the walk or not we will see in the months/years to come, but a lot of Scunny fans see him as the Messiah who has saved their club.

I don't care what happens with Scunny either way, I'm just posting this as an observation, not an opinion, on what I have seen on social media.

The only people that think he’s a messiah are the morons. Genuine, sensible fans are still very much on the fence. Personally, Hilton will be a disaster, I can’t see past that. They can sign all these players but it means intercourse all, I don’t see them getting to Christmas without at least one missed payday, and they’ve still not actually clarified where they’re playing.

Hilton or whatever his name is can talk the hind legs off of a donkey but a lot of it is similar to the drivel we heard from Fenty. He’s made claims the council are supportive of a new stadium yet they’ve said nothing of the sort, not it’s created an anti council agenda.

He’s still not actually proven where the money, if it actually exists, has come from.

He’s made obscene promises that have been swallowed hook line and sinker without any credible evidence to back them up.

Nobody is sure who he is or what his motives are.

Swann is still involved with the club.

And they’re playing in a glorified Sunday league…

The fact he agreed to pay Swann £3.5m to buy Glanford Park then reneged on the deal when 1899 fans didn’t agree to pay £1899 each told me all I need to know.

The fact he has changed his name multiple times is a massive wake-up call,

There is no clarification at all that they have the authorisation to even play at Glumford Park in 23/24, and that is astonishing.

And all the alarming facts given to us by Bury fans on here makes us KNOW, with almost certainty, that something is massively wrong.

This is an abomination.

I can't see how they stay at GP it does not add up .

Mr White says they will pay Swann 20k a month P/A to play there .

20×12= 240k P/A
1400×£200 = £280k (season ticket sales ,being generous)

That's that ,wiped out .

What must their wage bill be with all these big signings ?

Maybe 1million +

So he either has to put in a million + for them to get through the season

Or they would need to average between 5.5k and 6k(at least) to cover the costs .

They topped out at 4k in The Champ so I think it's highly unlikely they get many more than 3.5k in NLN .

If you look at it from a figures point of view , if I were a Scunthorpe Utd fan I would still be very worried .

Quoted from 123614

I think some of you might have egg on your faces as the season progresses. I say this because almost all the posts I see on their forum are positive, and if nothing else, DH/DW talks a good talk. Whether he can walk the walk or not we will see in the months/years to come, but a lot of Scunny fans see him as the Messiah who has saved their club.

I don't care what happens with Scunny either way, I'm just posting this as an observation, not an opinion, on what I have seen on social media.

Must all be fine then. At no point in history has a chancer promised the world and been really positive about everything and the opportunities going forward without it all being true in the end.

By the way, I’ve got some magic beans I would like to sell to you if you’re interested?

There's a very old saying that seems to fit here..

If it quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck it's very probably a duck.

There are too many unknowns, loose ends and worrying aspects to suggest that this will end in any way other than badly for Scunny fans.

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Must all be fine then. At no point in history has a chancer promised the world and been really positive about everything and the opportunities going forward without it all being true in the end.

By the way, I’ve got some magic beans I would like to sell to you if you’re interested?

I think you should read and inwardly digest the WHOLE of my post.

If the exception proves the rule then an English manager did promise the world. Not really a chancer though. But he stuck his neck out.

Alf Ramsey said that England would win the World Cup - and we did.

Quoted from 123614

I think some of you might have egg on your faces as the season progresses. I say this because almost all the posts I see on their forum are positive, and if nothing else, DH/DW talks a good talk. Whether he can walk the walk or not we will see in the months/years to come, but a lot of Scunny fans see him as the Messiah who has saved their club.

I don't care what happens with Scunny either way, I'm just posting this as an observation, not an opinion, on what I have seen on social media.

One of the saddest things is when a terminal illness is diagnosed, the patients start to visit clairvoyants/faith healers because they promise hope, so they go along with it as the alternative is, well oblivion.
Perhaps Scunny fans are in that mode and they will go along with anybody who says follow me the rainbow is just over the hill.

Quoted from GrimPol

One of the saddest things is when a terminal illness is diagnosed, the patients start to visit clairvoyants/faith healers because they promise hope, so they go along with it as the alternative is, well oblivion.
Perhaps Scunny fans are in that mode and they will go along with anybody who says follow me the rainbow is just over the hill.

That's definitely a possibility.

To all Scunthorpe fans on here,

I am sorry but all this is going to end in tears the man of many names is a joke he will walk away and change his name again.

I will honestly miss you as I always looked forward to our. derby games I sincerely hope you get another saviour because he is not the man to save you.

I only have good wishes to send you because you will need them.

If feels like a tactic to sign players on probably unrealistic wages, in the hope lots of fans renew season tickets then walk away with some cash out of it into the nowhere.

Quoted from GrimPol

One of the saddest things is when a terminal illness is diagnosed, the patients start to visit clairvoyants/faith healers because they promise hope, so they go along with it as the alternative is, well oblivion.
Perhaps Scunny fans are in that mode and they will go along with anybody who says follow me the rainbow is just over the hill.

Well, the rainbow is just over the flyover but it's not really a hill. That end of Freemo is very flat.

Quoted from grimsby pete

To all Scunthorpe fans on here,

I am sorry but all this is going to end in tears the man of many names is a joke he will walk away and change his name again.

I will honestly miss you as I always looked forward to our. derby games I sincerely hope you get another saviour because he is not the man to save you.

I only have good wishes to send you because you will need them.

We might be playing Scunthorpe United (2023) FC yet.

Quoted from GrimPol

We might be playing Scunthorpe United (2023) FC yet.

Lincs. Cup ? ;D

Quoted from grimsby pete

Lincs. Cup ? ;D

Unlikely, we normally come in at the semi final stage. They'll go out in the first round, well beaten by Spalding High School U13s.

Quoted from GrimPol

Only 3 reason why you change your name

You get married
You are Reginald Kenneth Dwight and want to be called Elton Hercules John
The Police are after you.

In other news, the Swann’s have had a Royal Ascot winner today.

Quoted from GrimPol

One of the saddest things is when a terminal illness is diagnosed, the patients start to visit clairvoyants/faith healers because they promise hope, so they go along with it as the alternative is, well oblivion.
Perhaps Scunny fans are in that mode and they will go along with anybody who says follow me the rainbow is just over the hill.

That's a pretty damned insensitive analogy considering the many who have passed, the many who are living with terminal illness and the many who are seeing them through their last days.
It's ok taking the urine out of a local rival's decline, but come on, there's got to be a line somewhere.

Great Expectations {Taken from Scunny United Fans Group on Facebook)

Daz Drury
Top contributor
David White if we have the season we're all hoping for I would expect 3700 as a minimum. 5000 crowd is achievable as you witnessed v Barnet.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

That's a pretty damned insensitive analogy considering the many who have passed, the many who are living with terminal illness and the many who are seeing them through their last days.
It's ok taking the urine out of a local rival's decline, but come on, there's got to be a line somewhere.

Why is it you see something in my analogy that I never intended nor wrote.?
I suggest you reflect, then apologise.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Lincs. Cup ? ;D

About time they won it, as the last time was 2014-15 season

Quoted from Poojah

Right, here's the issue I have, BIron. Let me spell it out once and for all.

Naturally, it's a somewhat silly but real reflection of tribalism in football, that I should want to see Scunthorpe United struggle, given my position as a Grimsby Town fan. The reverse is also true of course, and there's nothing really wrong with that. But I have never liked, do not like, and will never like historic football clubs being destroyed by careless and / or unscrupulous owners. I'd add MK Dons as the exception to that rule, but I don't have to since they're not an historic football club.

In terms of where you find yourselves today, in the National League North, 99.99% of the blame for that sits with Peter Swann - a man who has done untold and potentially irreversible damage to a local institution. He did so, ultimately, by putting his own interests ahead of the club's long-term future and either didn't consider or didn't care about the risks involved from the club's perspective.

I could tell you that it surprised and maybe even angered me that it took so long for Iron supporters to wake up and smell the coffee, but that's irrelevant now. You can't change the past. But you can, as a collective of supporters with a common interest, change the future, or at least plan today for the numerous different paths fate might take the club down.

So let's start with where we are right now, with the club under the ownership of one David Hilton / White (enter additional pseudonyms here). If we think back, just two summers ago, we, Grimsby Town, ushered in two new joint owners in Jason Stockwood and Andrew Pettit, much to the delight of the club's fanbase.

There were two main reasons behind this delight. Number one, they weren't John Fenty, and that's at least one claim David Hilton can hang on to. He's not Peter Swann. Number two, though, was much more important. They were people who had been born and grown up in the town, long-standing supporters of GTFC, and most importantly of all, had very transparent and traceable roots to their wealth, namely hugely successful careers in their own respective, legitimate lines of business. They also had some very clear and well defined values, which was a bonus.

I've heard and read a lot of rumours that don't paint David Hilton in a particularly good light at all, but since I can't vouch for the validity or accuracy of any of them, I'll steer clear of making spurious or even libellous claims. But there do appear to be a number of largely unanswered questions about the man, which collectively, amount to a very large red flag.

- Just how wealthy is David Hilton?
- What is the source of that wealth?
- Is / are the source[s] legitimate? And if we can tick the legitimate box, how about "noble"?
- Why all the name changes?
- Besides all this, why does he purportedly want to pump millions of his presumably hard-earned cash into saving Scunthorpe United, a club he has no prior connection to?

Aside from the above, there are broader questions about the way he appears to be running the club. What on earth is going on with Glanford Park? What's all this nonsense about a new multi-million pound stadium delivered within 2 years? The appointment of a manager very much out of his depth at a professional club? The scattergun approach to transfers? And what's with all the abuse sceptical fans have found themselves subject to on Twitter and the like? It's all quite peculiar, and whilst Peter Swann's end game was always abundantly clear, Hilton is certainly harder to size-up in that regard.

Your latest signing, Callum Roberts, raises far more questions than it answers. I won't lie, I nearly fell off my chair when I saw he'd signed for you. I thought he was one of the best players in the National League during our promotion season, and I felt could easily go and play at a higher level, as he technically did when he signed for Aberdeen last year. Hands up, in spite of his recent injury record, I wouldn't have been disappointed to see him rock up at Blundell Park this week.

But "rattled" certainly isn't how I'd describe my reaction. It wasn't one of "wow, that's a bloody good signing", but more one of "erm...that just doesn't compute - there's something not right there".

Aberdeen finished 3rd in the SPL last season; they are one of the biggest clubs in Scotland behind Celtic and Rangers. Roberts will have been on between £2k and £3k a week there, and given that he's been happy to rip up a further 2 years on his contract at Pittodrie and sign for a troubled and volatile club relegated to the NLN indicates he's probably been offered even more money at Scunthorpe, a club which will have probably less than 10% of his former club's income next season.

How on earth is that possible? It doesn't stack up, does it? The only way it can happen is if Hilton pays him £150k+ a year out of his own pocket, and why would he want to do that on top of everything else he's already having to spend to prop the club up?

Ultimately, Scunthorpe United are falling into the same trap that took them here in the first place. Spending well beyond what the club organically generates in revenue to bring a better standard of player to the club. That's fine if you have a benefactor of quantifiable wealth and a clear motivation to see things through come rain or shine.

But I'm just not seeing that. I see a man at the helm who's game plan isn't clear. Is he genuine in his plans for the club? Is he legitimately wealthy? Is he prepared to underwrite the club's continued losses until it is truly back on its own feet? Or is he none of those things? Is he something else altogether?

There simply isn't sufficient evidence in the public domain to make a definitive call either way, but the many gaps in what we know and the demeanour of Hilton's modus operandi make it difficult to feel like backing the positive horse is a sensible choice. Given what the club has been through already, a sizeable dollop of scepticism can only be healthy. That means continuing to probe, continuing to ask questions, even, if not especially, when the news appears to be positive on the surface, and planning, now, for the eventuality that things go well and truly títs up. It means being proactive, not reactive. That's a crucial distinction.

Fool you once, shame on them. Fool you twice, shame on you.

Blimey Poojah, how long did it take you to write that? Way too much time on your hands.

In all seriousness, nobody is right and nobody is wrong in this instance. Certainly seems to be a lot of assumptions and accusations getting made though. Saw someone saying you all could have egg on your faces and I have to agree. However it could also be us Scunny fans that is the one hurting. Only time will tell, until then we will focus on playing ‘pub teams” and the rebuild starts now!

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Blimey Poojah, how long did it take you to write that? Way too much time on your hands.

In all seriousness, nobody is right and nobody is wrong in this instance. Certainly seems to be a lot of assumptions and accusations getting made though. Saw someone saying you all could have egg on your faces and I have to agree. However it could also be us Scunny fans that is the one hurting. Only time will tell, until then we will focus on playing ‘pub teams” and the rebuild starts now!

UTI

We’ve had the ‘pub teams’ thing thrown at us as well obviously, and they often end up winning! I hate non league, but some people seem to like it.

I think poojah’s points, as with most on here, are nothing to do with what league you’re in, it’s just we think you should be really wary of this guy Hilton. Something does not add up. For starters, agreeing to buy GP for £3.5m, then trying to get the fans to pay for it, THEN pulling out of the deal. You can’t trust someone who reneges on business agreements like that.

We think he’s dodgy, Scunny fans don’t. Time will tell.

Quoted from BIron

Blimey Poojah, how long did it take you to write that? Way too much time on your hands.

In all seriousness, nobody is right and nobody is wrong in this instance. Certainly seems to be a lot of assumptions and accusations getting made though. Saw someone saying you all could have egg on your faces and I have to agree. However it could also be us Scunny fans that is the one hurting. Only time will tell, until then we will focus on playing ‘pub teams” and the rebuild starts now!

UTI

Has DH gambled the funds to buy the stadium on the squad on the basis that SUFC have Tenant rights providing they pay a market rent, or if they don’t on the basis that Swann won’t chuck SUFC out on its ear anyway?

Judging by the players brought in the budget looks to be circa top 10 NL? A promotion or bust strategy? Like you say time will tell.

There is nothing about Hilton which indicates he is anything but dodgy. The small amount of information about his past which is available in the public domain would tend to indicate he is dodgy and he's not made any apparent effort to clear his name, so to speak.

It will take a lot more than wishful thinking by Scunny fans to see this whole situation end in anything but disaster for the club.

Quoted from Heisenberg

We’ve had the ‘pub teams’ thing thrown at us as well obviously, and they often end up winning! I hate non league, but some people seem to like it.

I think poojah’s points, as with most on here, are nothing to do with what league you’re in, it’s just we think you should be really wary of this guy Hilton. Something does not add up. For starters, agreeing to buy GP for £3.5m, then trying to get the fans to pay for it, THEN pulling out of the deal. You can’t trust someone who reneges on business agreements like that.

We think he’s dodgy, Scunny fans don’t. Time will tell.

Oh I know, I am expecting some shock results next season, every week will be like a cup final for the opposition. I don’t enjoy non league I would rather us be back in the football league of course but I respect a lot of fans who support their local teams down there. Scunny supporters have stuck with them too despite us being at our current lowest ebb.

A lot of questions still remain on the ground saga, was never off to be easy dealing with a nasty piece of work like Mr Swann. All we can do as supporters is live in hope that Hilton is the right man but still ask questions where necessary which we do.

UTI

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Has DH gambled the funds to buy the stadium on the squad on the basis that SUFC have Tenant rights providing they pay a market rent, or if they don’t on the basis that Swann won’t chuck SUFC out on its ear anyway?

Judging by the players brought in the budget looks to be circa top 10 NL? A promotion or bust strategy? Like you say time will tell.

Looking at the budget, Hilton certainly appears to have thrown everything at the squad to not only bounce back straight into the national league but also be pushing for top 10/play offs the season after.

You lot know more than anyone how hard it is to get out of the national league so not suggesting it will be easy for us but can see what Hilton is trying to do.

As for the ground situation, nobody truly knows exactly what is happening. People keep banging on about how there’s so much on social media about Hilton being bad. Why do Ilkeston Town fans speak so highly of him then if he is so bad?

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Blimey Poojah, how long did it take you to write that? Way too much time on your hands.

In all seriousness, nobody is right and nobody is wrong in this instance. Certainly seems to be a lot of assumptions and accusations getting made though. Saw someone saying you all could have egg on your faces and I have to agree. However it could also be us Scunny fans that is the one hurting. Only time will tell, until then we will focus on playing ‘pub teams” and the rebuild starts now!

UTI

However long it took me, I wrote it for the genuine benefit of any Scunthorpe following chump choosing to err on the side optimism when your club is at such a precarious fork in the road.

Is there a narrative where David Hilton turns out to be the messiah and all becomes rosy in the Iron garden? I suppose there is. However, there are many other possibilities of varying levels of doom which need to be considered sooner rather than later.

You talk about egg on faces, but on whose face are you referring to? I made clear, in the very post that you quoted, that as a fan of football I don’t like what happened to your club or where it finds itself. If this season or next were to be a positive turning point for Scunthorpe United then I wouldn’t begrudge you that for a second. Whisper it quietly on here, I might even be quietly pleased to see an historically long-standing league club getting back on its feet.

But sometimes, when you’re less close to a situation emotionally, you can see things a little more clearly for what they are. “He only hits me because he loves me”. No, he fúcking doesn’t!

There are many ways this could potentially play out, some positive, some less so. From where I’m sat though, the probability is that things continue to go south, rather quickly. Whilst there’s nothing wrong in hoping otherwise, it’s the assumption that things will be ok that bothers me. If you, and many others like you, are wrong, then it’s basically game over.

Anyway, I’ve said all I have to say. Because I have too much time on my hands? To the contrary mate, I assure you. I care deeply about lower league football and I believe I share common values with likeminded fans of other unfashionable clubs, including Scunthorpe. It’s literally no more than that.

So yeah, belittle my take on your affairs all you like, but understand this; it will be a lot easier to rebuild your club, should it come to that, if you prepare for the worst, now, whilst hoping for the best. My message couldn’t be clearer than that.

Quoted from BIron

Hilton certainly appears to have thrown everything at the squad to not only bounce back straight into the national league but also be pushing for top 10/play offs the season after.

Quoted from BIron

Oh I know, I am expecting some shock results next season,

That's it fella, keep your pecker up....focus on the positive and just Iike you said.......i am sure you will pull off the odd shock and win a game every now and then 😉

Quoted from BIron

A lot of questions still remain on the ground saga, was never off to be easy dealing with a nasty piece of work like Mr Swann. All we can do as supporters is live in hope that Hilton is the right man but still ask questions where necessary which we do.

And this is what I just can't get my head round.  I get the fact that he's not Swann. It's a low bar but at the minute he's comfortably keeping his head well above that sinking point.

But living in hope and asking the odd question isn't enough, I'm sorry but it isn't.  You're an unwelcome tenant (for now) in your ground, you're in the sixth tier of football, a pathetic plan for moving grounds has been pitched after the original plan to buy Glanford Park didn't come off, the owner has already tried to up you from Scunthorpe all the way to Ilkeston (please don't think that won't rear its head again at some point), there are red flags raised all over the place about him as an individual and to top it all off you're spending absolute mega-money on players.

You don't even need to be particularly interested in football to look at that objectively and think 'hmm, bit dodgy!'.  The absolute first question anyone should be asking of any prospective owner is 'why?'. Football isn't a money making business.  At whatever level it's at, no fornicator is making anything out of it.  Unless he's hidden the fact he had a poster of Andy Flounders on his wall as a teenager, Hilton has absolutely zero affiliation with Scunthorpe.   He's got to be in it for something.  He hasn't just decided one day whilst randomly doing an Aldi shop in Scunthorpe and glancing across the road that 'hey, that looks a good football club. I might buy it'.

intercourse, lets even say he's a bit of a sadist and fancies the challenge of turning a club around.  There are dozens of clubs he could have picked that would have proved a better choice simply because of the issues with the ground.

Let's remove his intentions from it, because to be honest we can't be certain of them at all. It's all conjecture at this stage.  But just with everything that's going on and what's at stake, he should be scrutinized to within an inch of his life.  Yet all I've seen is a few meek questions thrown at him, favourably and on his terms too, that have been batted away and he's hailed as a saviour.  The few who have and are continuing to ask questions are cast as doom-mongers and of causing trouble.

I hope I'm wrong, I really do.  I smiled from ear-to-ear when you got relegated into the Conference, even more so when we took your place in the FL.  I laughed like a flipping drain when you got relegated to the Conf. North.  It was a joy as I drove back from having seen Town beat Doncaster, listening to Dean rant away after relegation was confirmed.  It was one of the funniest things I've ever heard in football.  Having felt absolutely embarrassed to be beneath bloody Scunthorpe for the best part of two decades, it just felt like a bit of normality was restored.  But I don't want anyone to lose their football club. Unfortunately I can't see anything but this guy absolutely flipping you over, to the point you don't recover.

Quoted from BIron

Oh I know, I am expecting some shock results next season, every week will be like a cup final for the opposition. I don’t enjoy non league I would rather us be back in the football league of course but I respect a lot of fans who support their local teams down there. Scunny supporters have stuck with them too despite us being at our current lowest ebb.

A lot of questions still remain on the ground saga, was never off to be easy dealing with a nasty piece of work like Mr Swann. All we can do as supporters is live in hope that Hilton is the right man but still ask questions where necessary which we do.

UTI

What are your thoughts on Mr Hilton's promise that you will be in a purpose built stadium early May 2025?

A lad at works a Scunny fan he's pretty buoyant with it all and in his words we're gonna urine that league .Then he said Scunny are everyone else's Cup Final . On paper they should win the league but football ⚽️ is played on grass and I'm not convinced? They have lost consistently for 3-4 Seasons and you don't turn that round overnight.

When are their fixtures out for next season?

Quoted from Les Brechin

When are their fixtures out for next season?

Next Wednesday I believe.

I agree Scunthorpe will be a few teams big day out, but I still see them as club who've continued to falter throughout the last 10 years.
The fanbase has dwindled massively and it's hilarious to see the disrespect those fans have towards the league. They'll get a shock and half when they pop up at Brackley away with an attendance of 500 and they get battered 3-0.

It's going to be interesting to watch them "walk the league". I've said it previously, if they don't go up though - Then they'll be bust this time next season with the amount of money DH has thrown it (without showing any proof of his funds and his dodgy past).

Quoted from Les Brechin

When are their fixtures out for next season?

Night before the first game because nobody cares

Quoted from BIron

Oh I know, I am expecting some shock results next season, every week will be like a cup final for the opposition. I don’t enjoy non league I would rather us be back in the football league of course but I respect a lot of fans who support their local teams down there. Scunny supporters have stuck with them too despite us being at our current lowest ebb.

A lot of questions still remain on the ground saga, was never off to be easy dealing with a nasty piece of work like Mr Swann. All we can do as supporters is live in hope that Hilton is the right man but still ask questions where necessary which we do.

UTI

Look on the bright side. A broken watch is right twice a day

Unless it’s hands have totally fallen and sat around figuring out how to change their name

Just had a look at SUFC's Wiki page....

....anyone spot the mistake, or is it a mistake?

Clue... on right hand side below club badge. ;D ;D ;D

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Just had a look at SUFC's Wiki page....

....anyone spot the mistake, or is it a mistake?

Clue... on right hand side below club badge. ;D ;D ;D

I'm not sure wiki is the place to make announcements as big as that but if it happened no one would be surprised

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Next Wednesday I believe.

I agree Scunthorpe will be a few teams big day out, but I still see them as club who've continued to falter throughout the last 10 years.
The fanbase has dwindled massively and it's hilarious to see the disrespect those fans have towards the league. They'll get a shock and half when they pop up at Brackley away with an attendance of 500 and they get battered 3-0.

It's going to be interesting to watch them "walk the league". I've said it previously, if they don't go up though - Then they'll be bust this time next season with the amount of money DH has thrown it (without showing any proof of his funds and his dodgy past).

The fan base has dwindled massively haha are you joking! We was getting 3-4,000 last season despite being near the bottom of the national league! Don’t know how you can come out with that utter nonsense. With all due respect I don’t think it will be easy and I’m bracing myself for getting turned over by teams that have a man and his dog watching them.

But come on, let’s not come out with nonsense about attendances. Looking forward to Darlo away next season, how much do they allow away fans?

UTI

Quoted from BIron

The fan base has dwindled massively haha are you joking! We was getting 3-4,000 last season despite being near the bottom of the national league! Don’t know how you can come out with that utter nonsense. With all due respect I don’t think it will be easy and I’m bracing myself for getting turned over by teams that have a man and his dog watching them.

But come on, let’s not come out with nonsense about attendances. Looking forward to Darlo away next season, how much do they allow away fans?

UTI

Traffic must be a nightmare!

Quoted from thefish

Traffic must be a nightmare!

Sorry I forgot you are getting 8,000 every week aren’t you? Some of you cods are way too big for your boots aren’t you. Finally had a couple of years above us after nearly 20 years below us and now you’re giving it large. Fickle game isn’t it.

UTI

It is indeed fickle, cruelly so at times.

You had your little moment in the sun, now normality is restored. Ha-flipping-ha! 😉

Quoted from BIron

Sorry I forgot you are getting 8,000 every week aren’t you? Some of you cods are way too big for your boots aren’t you. Finally had a couple of years above us after nearly 20 years below us and now you’re giving it large. Fickle game isn’t it.

UTI

Still, at least you’re rising above it and not biting…

Quoted from BIron

Sorry I forgot you are getting 8,000 every week aren’t you? Some of you cods are way too big for your boots aren’t you. Finally had a couple of years above us after nearly 20 years below us and now you’re giving it large. Fickle game isn’t it.

UTI

You picking on the wrong audience here dear .... You'd be better off helping Dave clear that tip next to glebe road

Quoted from It Bites

You picking on the wrong audience here dear .... You'd be better off helping Dave clear that tip next to glebe road

Oh I don’t think I am my dear, little old Scunthorpe one of the most talked about threads on this forum and we are in National League North!

Some of you lot talking like you know it all about our owner as well, listening to a man at the boozer and running with it. I will stick to the facts.

You lot just really miss us don’t you. I know how boring league two can be, teams miles away and no local rivals can be pretty poor so I get it.

Almost 20 years it’s taken you to get above us and here we are eh. UTI

Have to say, if Dodgy Dave comes up with the dosh I think they’ll walk the NLN next year.
It all seems a bit weird at the moment but I’m inclined to wait until it goes belly up before laughing my socks off
After the last 5 years the proper Iron fans deserve a small amount of comfort

Quoted from BIron

Oh I don’t think I am my dear, little old Scunthorpe one of the most talked about threads on this forum and we are in National League North!

Some of you lot talking like you know it all about our owner as well, listening to a man at the boozer and running with it. I will stick to the facts.

You lot just really miss us don’t you. I know how boring league two can be, teams miles away and no local rivals can be pretty poor so I get it.

Almost 20 years it’s taken you to get above us and here we are eh. UTI

Above you ? Jesus, we have never been so far apart in every way . Your just a local grass roots league team like Brigg and Bottesford.

Quoted from buckstown

Have to say, if Dodgy Dave comes up with the dosh I think they’ll walk the NLN next year.
It all seems a bit weird at the moment but I’m inclined to wait until it goes belly up before laughing my socks off
After the last 5 years the proper Iron fans deserve a small amount of comfort

I don’t tar you all with the same brush and it is comments like that, remind me not too. Thank you, appreciate it! We all want us back playing each other deep down. UTI

Quoted from It Bites

Above you ? Jesus, we have never been so far apart in every way . Your just a local grass roots league team like Brigg and Bottesford.

You just keep talking about us on your forum, fantastic reading. Nice to see our little grass roots league team are still so relevant to you. You’ve had about just under 20 years in our shadow and now you’re giving it some. The tables will turn again one day, it is football it happens. I have to say that day when KVV smashed in the winner at your place was glorious. You aren’t as invincible as what you think you are.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

You just keep talking about us on your forum, fantastic reading. Nice to see our little grass roots league team are still so relevant to you. You’ve had about just under 20 years in our shadow and now you’re giving it some. The tables will turn again one day, it is football it happens. I have to say that day when KVV smashed in the winner at your place was glorious. You aren’t as invincible as what you think you are.

UTI

Invincible? Lol. We were run into the ground for 20 years with little or no hope .....

Quoted from BIron

You just keep talking about us on your forum, fantastic reading. Nice to see our little grass roots league team are still so relevant to you. You’ve had about just under 20 years in our shadow and now you’re giving it some. The tables will turn again one day, it is football it happens. I have to say that day when KVV smashed in the winner at your place was glorious. You aren’t as invincible as what you think you are.

UTI

If we didn't talk about you then no one would as no one in Scunthorpe gives a excrement.

Quoted from BIron

Sorry I forgot you are getting 8,000 every week aren’t you? Some of you cods are way too big for your boots aren’t you. Finally had a couple of years above us after nearly 20 years below us and now you’re giving it large. Fickle game isn’t it.

UTI

Oops, there's the goodwill gone methinks.
Scunthorpe in the league from when to when?
How much history compared to us?
How far have you fallen?

Quoted from BIron

Sorry I forgot you are getting 8,000 every week aren’t you? Some of you cods are way too big for your boots aren’t you. Finally had a couple of years above us after nearly 20 years below us and now you’re giving it large. Fickle game isn’t it.

UTI

To be fair, 4000/400/400000, it’s irrelevant really. Clubs that tend to bang on about crowds are usually smaller clubs or those that have big crowds but zero success, Newcastle, for example.

I’d say scunny have done well to cling to that amount of fans although I’m sure decent away followings from County, Wrexham and Chesterfield helped push it up a bit.

What’s more alarming is how few of those fans really got behind the protests, but also how easily they’ve swallowed Best Westerns jibberish. You’d have thought the scunny faithful would’ve learned to tread with caution after Swann…

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Oops, there's the goodwill gone methinks.
Scunthorpe in the league from when to when?
How much history compared to us?
How far have you fallen?

You have the audacity to live in Scunny and come out with that as well, I know Scunny isn’t paradise but Grimsby must be really grim for you to live over here. This is exactly it, even when we was in the championship you lot were in non league and still banging the drum about history. All I know is that for about 20 years of my lifetime we was above you, that’s history for me. Some of you really will never change will you.

UTI

UTI

And you were doing so well...

Then the bitterness kicks in.

I didn't miss you when you were above us, and I won't miss you now you are below us.

Good luck

The rivalry thing is weird. When we play each other, of course I want us to win. Other than that, don’t really take any notice. Rivalries between clubs that aren’t local are always a bit forced.

There’s a few scunny at work, a couple of town, the town lads barely say anything and have actually been supportive of scunny getting rid of Swann etc, and not wanting the club to fold but the scunny fans can’t help themselves making snide jibes…weird…

Quoted from aldi_01

The rivalry thing is weird. When we play each other, of course I want us to win. Other than that, don’t really take any notice. Rivalries between clubs that aren’t local are always a bit forced.

There’s a few scunny at work, a couple of town, the town lads barely say anything and have actually been supportive of scunny getting rid of Swann etc, and not wanting the club to fold but the scunny fans can’t help themselves making snide jibes…weird…

It’s a class thing and they have none

Quoted from bawarmy

It’s a class thing and they have none

No you’re wrong, there is some decent people on here and genuinely enjoy having a debate and light hearted banter with. What I won’t take is getting belittled about our attendances as a club, we nearly had our club snatched away from us and defended them to the death. Forgive me if I am being defensive but pretty sure you would be if the shoe was on the other foot.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

No you’re wrong, there is some decent people on here and genuinely enjoy having a debate and light hearted banter with. What I won’t take is getting belittled about our attendances as a club, we nearly had our club snatched away from us and defended them to the death. Forgive me if I am being defensive but pretty sure you would be if the shoe was on the other foot.

UTI

Your attendances were very good last season , I don't think anyone can deny that ; I worked in Scunny for a brief period in the early 2000's and there were some good people over there , made some good mates and it was always friendly banter .

Never minded the town like GY , Scunny has it's faults and has been neglected a bit but I always liked the place much like our town .

I still have my doubts about Hilton but there will be no glee from me if he turns out bad , just like there will be no envy if things turn out well for you .

I am in a content place with where we are as a club , 3 years ago I looked on with envy at pretty much any club ,not anymore .

Good luck for next season

I

Oh dear BIron resorted to the 'grim in Grimsby' shall we resort to the  who put  the c'unts in Scunthorpe?
20 years of YOUR History is not History, History  is not contained by selected periods, have you won at Anfield, Goodison, St James Park, or beaten Chelsea, Wolves, Man City, Spurs, Wolves, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham and others in your 'history'? was your club twice FA Cup semi finalists and still hold the record attendance at Old Trafford? I think not.
This forum has given ,in my opinion, far more sympathy for your plight than we would have received from your  'fans' certainly far more than i would have given, because while i do not want to see your club go completely out of business, i delight in your fall from grace, because it is vivid in my mind the joy  your fans showed when we were twice relegated to non league.

Quoted from BIron

You have the audacity to live in Scunny and come out with that as well, I know Scunny isn’t paradise but Grimsby must be really grim for you to live over here. This is exactly it, even when we was in the championship you lot were in non league and still banging the drum about history. All I know is that for about 20 years of my lifetime we was above you, that’s history for me. Some of you really will never change will you.

UTI

Did you go to school? My god your grammar is APPALLING. Even when we WAS in the league? For about 20 years we WAS above you? I’m not an English graduate but at least I try to make my posts grammatically correct. I assume you must talk like that too?!!

Quoted from petethemariner

Oh dear BIron resorted to the 'grim in Grimsby' shall we resort to the  who put  the c'unts in Scunthorpe?
20 years of YOUR History is not History, History  is not contained by selected periods, have you won at Anfield, Goodison, St James Park, or beaten Chelsea, Wolves, Man City, Spurs, Wolves, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham and others in your 'history'? was your club twice FA Cup semi finalists and still hold the record attendance at Old Trafford? I think not.
This forum has given ,in my opinion, far more sympathy for your plight than we would have received from your  'fans' certainly far more than i would have given, because while i do not want to see your club go completely out of business, i delight in your fall from grace, because it is vivid in my mind the joy  your fans showed when we were twice relegated to non league.

Totally agree. Well said. 👏👏👏 #UTM

Quoted from BIron

You have the audacity to live in Scunny and come out with that as well, I know Scunny isn’t paradise but Grimsby must be really grim for you to live over here. This is exactly it, even when we was in the championship you lot were in non league and still banging the drum about history. All I know is that for about 20 years of my lifetime we was above you, that’s history for me. Some of you really will never change will you.

UTI

UTI

Pillock.
I was born and bred in Scunthorpe with parents from Carlisle and South London.
I often joke that I'm only alive due to Hitler, because if the Luftwaffe hadn't demolished the South London docklands and my mother's family hadn't moved north she would never had met my father who was based at RAF Finningley. But I digress.
Started following Town in 1972 when the family had a caravan at Beacholme in Humberston.
Over the years, Westcliff junior school, Thomas Sumpter comprehensive, the first ten or fifteen years of my forty on the steelworks, Scunthorpe Tiffany's and local boozers were a constant battleground with bullying Scunts because I was Grimsby, and it was never ever one on one but I stood up to everyone even if I came a poor second
I've the scars and bent nose to prove it, Scunthorpe was violent in the 70's.
Don't talk to me about audacity you knob, I'll live where I was born matey boy.

I attended.My first town game in 1955 five years after the scunts Were allowed in the league.

Town however joined the league in 1878 that's 72 years playing higher than them.

20 years is nothing to us but means a whole lot more to them poor sods.

Well, this has gone in a strange direction...

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Well, this has gone in a strange direction...

Yes, it's gone downhill quicker than Scunny.

Quoted from BIron

You have the audacity to live in Scunny and come out with that as well, I know Scunny isn’t paradise but Grimsby must be really grim for you to live over here. This is exactly it, even when we was in the championship you lot were in non league and still banging the drum about history. All I know is that for about 20 years of my lifetime we was above you, that’s history for me. Some of you really will never change will you.

UTI

UTI

Just bullies I’m afraid, always have been, probably never change.

You’ve dropped like a stone in recent seasons, I for one hope you don’t descend any lower and get back to a respectable level of football. That classic Alexander/Laws play-off semi 2 decades ago must feel like a lifetime now?

I think it's safe to say looking at it from an objective point of view , putting the longer term history to one side and going on a 10-20 year projection that I think it's safe to say looking forward to the next 20 years we will be in a much stronger and higher position than Scunthorpe Utd for the majority, if not all of that period (and that's even if they continue to even exist in their current format ).

We will not be playing them for a very long time ,unless it's in that Lincs club or they strike lucky in the FA cup .

They still don't even have a ground with a bluffer and a chancer seemingly thinking the other will back down . I take no pleasure in it but they are copulated copulated badly , it's strange how people that love their club are not asking questions on the budget ; someone who in his own words 'has not got loads of money ' playing the lottery of walking through NLN with a budget that must be 2 or 3 times their turnover - after Swann you would have thought it would ring alarm bells - one bitten , and all that . But no , it seems Mr David has recruited a crew of lovers who hang on his every word ; it's almost a cult and it's absolutely bonkers .

He's promised to deliver a 20-30 million quid stadium in 20 months without even starting the process ,it's undeliverable (the physical build would have had to have been started months ago ) yet some are buzzing asking 'when the spades in the ground ' alarm bells ring surely but no 'saviour Dave will deliver' anyone that questions it is deemed negative (where have we heard that before?).He wont . The facts are he's never delivered a noteworthy project and renegade on multiple small builds part way through the process that's FACT and in the public domain .

We did it to death on here over the course of the thread - the U-turns,half truths and lies - it's not some sort of envious propaganda but just plain facts of his 6 months in charge .

Some Lincoln & Scunthorpe fans have been strange about the whole thing,almost insinuating we want the club gone and have been mocking them throughout , when if you strip it back the majority have been trying to give gentle warnings and present facts .

It does not matter really what will be will be

But I don't want the false narative spinning IF it goes mammaries up that it was Cods,Bury fans etc etc that caused it because it won't be ; it would be their fans blindness to the situation and Mr David's.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Just bullies I’m afraid, always have been, probably never change.

You’ve dropped like a stone in recent seasons, I for one hope you don’t descend any lower and get back to a respectable level of football. That classic Alexander/Laws play-off semi 2 decades ago must feel like a lifetime now?

Hey, why don't you two carry on this chat on a Lincoln* or Scunny board? Instead of going out of your way to get 'bullied'.

(* Or Man City board.)

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Hey, why don't you two carry on this chat on a Lincoln* or Scunny board? Instead of going out of your way to get 'bullied'.

(* Or Man City board.)

They have on their little vital imps forum basically calling us vermin and that we are a 'nasty little club ' and that it's because we all live in 'our excrement little town' .

Weird lot ,like some of the scunts

Not sure if they even read anything properly let alone this .

Fact is that Scunny spent 20 years above us because they spaffed ridiculous amounts of money to stay there, and it was never sustainable with the size of the club and its fan base. The Scunny fans loved it of course; why wouldn't they?

Now the chickens have come home to roost.

Those 20 years coincided with our worst period of decline, which started with the ITV Digital collapse and was carried on pretty much in the same impecunious state for almost 2 decades by our last board and it's leader.

I'm afraid it's your turn to pay the piper, because you cannot live beyond your means indefinitely.

Enjoy your trips to Chorley and Banbury, and we'll be waiting for you when you get back. Hope it's not too soon though.

Quoted from ginnywings

Fact is that Scunny spent 20 years above us because they spaffed ridiculous amounts of money to stay there, and it was never sustainable with the size of the club and its fan base. The Scunny fans loved it of course; why wouldn't they?

Now the chickens have come home to roost.

Those 20 years coincided with our worst period of decline, which started with the ITV Digital collapse and was carried on pretty much in the same impecunious state for almost 2 decades by our last board and it's leader.

I'm afraid it's your turn to pay the piper, because you cannot live beyond your means indefinitely.

Enjoy your trips to Chorley and Banbury, and we'll be waiting for you when you get back. Hope it's not too soon though.

Not sure why I keep biting back to people on here but to say our last 20 years was over spending is complete nonsense. We were ran incredibly by Steve Wharton, he did not put tonnes of money into the club. We were brilliant with our recruitment. We had a conveyor belt of talent, Billy Sharp, Andy Keogh, Gary Hooper most notable mentions for our strikers. Sharp cost £100k Keogh £50k and Hooper on a free. Proper over spending that isn’t it?

It was the evil Swann that overspent well beyond his means and ultimately ran us into the ground. So please get your facts right. I genuinely want to see all Lincolnshire clubs in the football league and playing each other. I have a laugh at your demise just as you do ours but I don’t wish any club to disappear.

UTI

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Just bullies I’m afraid, always have been, probably never change.

You’ve dropped like a stone in recent seasons, I for one hope you don’t descend any lower and get back to a respectable level of football. That classic Alexander/Laws play-off semi 2 decades ago must feel like a lifetime now?

Some of them are good people on here and you can have a laugh with and I respect some of their concern of our current plight as well. Others are just so angry and bitter and I guess I have to accept that as a Scunny supporter on here. Unfortunately it doesn’t stop me reacting to anything that I feel is nonsense.

I remember those days well, we could never quite manage to beat you in those play offs but they were great days. Simon Yeo was our nemesis he always seemed to score against us!

Great times, hope we get those games back in the future just like we do playing Grimsby.

UTI

Right, first and foremost, not sure if you two (Biron and Norfolkgimp) have noticed but, this is a Grimsby Town forum. Obviously with you two being our (geographic) rivals then there is going to be a fair bit of sarcasm and finger pointing in your teams general direction. That’s the nature of message boards and the like isn’t it? Am sure that on your own clubs social media etc you aren’t exactly handing out compliments to us or each other are you? Why do you expect us to be holding a pity party for you? Have a look back when the boot was on the other foot and am sure that you were hardly being supportive and hoping we didn’t stay out of the football league for too long.

That’s the way of the world with football. It’d get a bit boring if you only had a finite number of clubs to play. Peaks and troughs…..up’s and down…..good and bad…..rough and smooth. Whatever you want to call it, it’s exactly what it is. Just don’t be bitter because (1) nobody really cares if you don’t like what is put (2) it’s a place for many to let off steam

Now, in the words of the great Rob Scott : ‘if you don’t like it….Fu(k off’

Quoted from grimsby pete

I attended.My first town game in 1955 five years after the scunts Were allowed in the league.

Town however joined the league in 1878 that's 72 years playing higher than them.

20 years is nothing to us but means a whole lot more to them poor sods.

I attended my first Scunny game in 1997, I was 6 years old. I am 32 years old now, believe me when I say 20 years of my existence of us above you in the leagues is a long time to me. I remember my Grandad always telling me how Grimsby are always the top dogs and we will never be above them.

We have had a blast but now the roles have reversed dramatically. But I live in hope we will come back again in the future.

UTI

Quoted from Mappers

Your attendances were very good last season , I don't think anyone can deny that ; I worked in Scunny for a brief period in the early 2000's and there were some good people over there , made some good mates and it was always friendly banter .

Never minded the town like GY , Scunny has it's faults and has been neglected a bit but I always liked the place much like our town .

I still have my doubts about Hilton but there will be no glee from me if he turns out bad , just like there will be no envy if things turn out well for you .

I am in a content place with where we are as a club , 3 years ago I looked on with envy at pretty much any club ,not anymore .

Good luck for next season

I

Thank you Mappers, you’re one of the good ones on here. I can take the banter and I will dish it out just as much as well. Appreciate the kind words, hope we can cross paths again one day. Good luck to you as well!

UTI

Quoted from petethemariner

Oh dear BIron resorted to the 'grim in Grimsby' shall we resort to the  who put  the c'unts in Scunthorpe?
20 years of YOUR History is not History, History  is not contained by selected periods, have you won at Anfield, Goodison, St James Park, or beaten Chelsea, Wolves, Man City, Spurs, Wolves, Villa, Newcastle, West Ham and others in your 'history'? was your club twice FA Cup semi finalists and still hold the record attendance at Old Trafford? I think not.
This forum has given ,in my opinion, far more sympathy for your plight than we would have received from your  'fans' certainly far more than i would have given, because while i do not want to see your club go completely out of business, i delight in your fall from grace, because it is vivid in my mind the joy  your fans showed when we were twice relegated to non league.

It was tongue in cheek Pete, I have a mate who lives in New Waltham so often go out around Cleethorpes. Every area has bad spots, we are very similar towns.

In regards to your list I know we beat Chelsea in the late 80’s (before I was born) and I saw us beat Newcastle in 2009. I had a dream childhood following my hometown club. We are at our lowest ebb now but I will continue to follow them and hope I can take kids of my own to games as well in the future. Stick with your hometown club through thick and thin. That’s what it is all about isn’t it?

UTI

Quoted from GrimExile

Did you go to school? My god your grammar is APPALLING. Even when we WAS in the league? For about 20 years we WAS above you? I’m not an English graduate but at least I try to make my posts grammatically correct. I assume you must talk like that too?!!

I have English A Levels, a degree and a career. I am doing okay thank you. Forgive me for not saying were instead of was.

UTI

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Pillock.
I was born and bred in Scunthorpe with parents from Carlisle and South London.
I often joke that I'm only alive due to Hitler, because if the Luftwaffe hadn't demolished the South London docklands and my mother's family hadn't moved north she would never had met my father who was based at RAF Finningley. But I digress.
Started following Town in 1972 when the family had a caravan at Beacholme in Humberston.
Over the years, Westcliff junior school, Thomas Sumpter comprehensive, the first ten or fifteen years of my forty on the steelworks, Scunthorpe Tiffany's and local boozers were a constant battleground with bullying Scunts because I was Grimsby, and it was never ever one on one but I stood up to everyone even if I came a poor second
I've the scars and bent nose to prove it, Scunthorpe was violent in the 70's.
Don't talk to me about audacity you knob, I'll live where I was born matey boy.

Oh wow you sound a very angry man. What a nasty response, it was only a bit of banter no need to get personal. Sounds like you had an interesting upbringing and credit to you for sticking with your team despite living amongst their arch enemy.

Calm down, have a look outside and smile. Not everyone is full of hatred.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

Thank you Mappers, you’re one of the good ones on here. I can take the banter and I will dish it out just as much as well. Appreciate the kind words, hope we can cross paths again one day. Good luck to you as well!

UTI

I try and be balanced in my viewpoint

I don't have the hatred of Scunthorpe Utd as some seem to , I don't get it really, but then I don't get when people abuse our own players and call them out etc or say who we have signed are crap ; I don't understand why some Scunny & Lincoln fans seemingly hate us .

It's all down to viewpoint and what you think I guess , I just go to our games to enjoy the day - in truth I'm not that bothered whether we win ,lose or draw aslong as the efforts there and the bars open I am happy (maybe I am just easily pleased ).

I think all fans deserve those basics ,so hopefully you get that and the worry of not having a club is erased .

Quoted from BIron

I have English A Levels, a degree and a career. I am doing okay thank you. Forgive me for not saying were instead of was.

UTI

Well you do surprise me. 😁😁

Quoted from BIron

I have English A Levels, a degree and a career. I am doing okay thank you. Forgive me for not saying were instead of was.

UTI

Well you do surprise me. 😁😁

Quoted from BIron

I attended my first Scunny game in 1997, I was 6 years old. I am 32 years old now, believe me when I say 20 years of my existence of us above you in the leagues is a long time to me. I remember my Grandad always telling me how Grimsby are always the top dogs and we will never be above them.

We have had a blast but now the roles have reversed dramatically. But I live in hope we will come back again in the future.

UTI

That’s interesting. I am much older than you but I also experienced what was a golden age from 1980 to 2003 when Town were in the Championship for 17 seasons during that period. That’s why the terrible years under Fenty were so hard to stomach. It’s hard to accept a 5-0 thrashing at Braintree when you can look back at victory at Stamford Bridge. I was seething with anger that we had fallen so low as the National League.

So I and many others understand how you are feeling. And it’s something you wouldn’t wish on any football fan. So I understand that it’s hard not to lose your cool now and again.

What I will say though is that I am sure most of us on this site have far more respect for a guy like you that sticks by his home town club than the glory hunters who pretend that they are Chelsea, Liverpool, more recently Man City, and in the future no doubt Newcastle fans. It’s easy to support the team that happens to top the Prem. but I don’t believe that it could ever mean as much to them as watching our home team beating the odds like we did at Southampton this season.

It’s about being a true football fan.

Best of luck to you this season.

Quoted from RonMariner

That’s interesting. I am much older than you but I also experienced what was a golden age from 1980 to 2003 when Town were in the Championship for 17 seasons during that period. That’s why the terrible years under Fenty were so hard to stomach. It’s hard to accept a 5-0 thrashing at Braintree when you can look back at victory at Stamford Bridge. I was seething with anger that we had fallen so low as the National League.

So I and many others understand how you are feeling. And it’s something you wouldn’t wish on any football fan. So I understand that it’s hard not to lose your cool now and again.

What I will say though is that I am sure most of us on this site have far more respect for a guy like you that sticks by his home town club than the glory hunters who pretend that they are Chelsea, Liverpool, more recently Man City, and in the future no doubt Newcastle fans. It’s easy to support the team that happens to top the Prem. but I don’t believe that it could ever mean as much to them as watching our home team beating the odds like we did at Southampton this season.

It’s about being a true football fan.

Best of luck to you this season.

Great post Ron

Quoted from BIron

Not sure why I keep biting back to people on here but to say our last 20 years was over spending is complete nonsense. We were ran incredibly by Steve Wharton, he did not put tonnes of money into the club. We were brilliant with our recruitment. We had a conveyor belt of talent, Billy Sharp, Andy Keogh, Gary Hooper most notable mentions for our strikers. Sharp cost £100k Keogh £50k and Hooper on a free. Proper over spending that isn’t it?

It was the evil Swann that overspent well beyond his means and ultimately ran us into the ground. So please get your facts right. I genuinely want to see all Lincolnshire clubs in the football league and playing each other. I have a laugh at your demise just as you do ours but I don’t wish any club to disappear.

UTI

Pretty sure that Wharton was overspending too, and yes you did develop and sell some players, but those you mention were a long time ago. Wharton saw the future and offloaded, knowing he couldn't sustain it without pumping in piles of money.

We sold a few players too when we were up the leagues, but it soon gets eaten up by higher wages. Even more so today than it did then.

You can't have a championship squad on your gates without overspending on wages. It's just not possible.

Lincoln are just about holding their own in league 1 with bigger gates than you can ever muster.

I don't want your club to die, just suffer for a few seasons. It may do some good in the end for you to rebuild with a more sustainable model. I'm not sure your new owner is the man to do it though. Seems very dodgy to me, but as I say, good luck with it.

Quoted from BIron

Some of them are good people on here and you can have a laugh with and I respect some of their concern of our current plight as well. Others are just so angry and bitter and I guess I have to accept that as a Scunny supporter on here. Unfortunately it doesn’t stop me reacting to anything that I feel is nonsense.

I remember those days well, we could never quite manage to beat you in those play offs but they were great days. Simon Yeo was our nemesis he always seemed to score against us!

UTI

Myself and almost all those responding have shown no anti-Scunthorpe feelings. There's no more bitterrness shown on here than on Iron Bru against any Town fans on there. And try it on the insipid Lincoln Rivals board and see how quickly they ban you.

Others are just so angry and bitter and I guess I have to accept that as a Scunny supporter on here. Unfortunately it doesn’t stop me reacting to anything that I feel is nonsense.
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Others are just reacting to anything that they feel is nonsense and I guess I have to accept that as a Scunny supporter on here. Unfortunately it doesn’t stop me being so angry and bitter.

Take a hint from RichGY on Iron Bru's board and keep it civil, rspond to those who clearly want to talk football, otherwise you look all over the place and not particularly engaging on a (GTFC) message board.

I remember those days well, we could never quite manage to beat you in those play offs but they were great days. Simon Yeo was our nemesis he always seemed to score against us!

And remember, you're talking to a Man City fan.

Refreshing to see the Scunny thread vying to become an even bigger car crash than the club itself. Great work everyone!

Quoted from Poojah

Refreshing to see the Scunny thread vying to become an even bigger car crash than the club itself. Great work everyone!

Yep absolutely gone to pot this thread. Has anything happened in the last few weeks of note?

One thing I keep seeing BIron making reference to is the fact that there's a massive thread on here about Scunny. In our defence, this thread has (up until recently) been the best place to get a quick update on what's going on at Scunny. I've never been able to find my way into the Scunny forum for some reason and I really can't be bothered navigating my way around the Facebook page that Hilton is using as his own official soundboard.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Just bullies I’m afraid, always have been, probably never change.

You’ve dropped like a stone in recent seasons, I for one hope you don’t descend any lower and get back to a respectable level of football. That classic Alexander/Laws play-off semi 2 decades ago must feel like a lifetime now?

Takes a proper sad act for a part-time Lincoln fan to come on the Grimsby Town forum at 9am on a Sunday morning, click on a thread about Scunthorpe United just to say how nasty all the Grimsby fans are. Get a life man, you depress me.

I don't hate the scunts it's all banter from me but I do dislike the few that came on here taking the urine. when we were non league.

I hope you get back in the league in the distant future but I would like to know why any man would change his name six times and proof of where the money is coming from if I was you.

Best of luck finding out because you need to know.

Quoted from ginnywings

Pretty sure that Wharton was overspending too, and yes you did develop and sell some players, but those you mention were a long time ago. Wharton saw the future and offloaded, knowing he couldn't sustain it without pumping in piles of money.

We sold a few players too when we were up the leagues, but it soon gets eaten up by higher wages. Even more so today than it did then.

You can't have a championship squad on your gates without overspending on wages. It's just not possible.

Lincoln are just about holding their own in league 1 with bigger gates than you can ever muster.

I don't want your club to die, just suffer for a few seasons. It may do some good in the end for you to rebuild with a more sustainable model. I'm not sure your new owner is the man to do it though. Seems very dodgy to me, but as I say, good luck with it.

Everything you said in your first para is factually incorrect. Why do people just make assumptions to suit a narrative. Go on companies House and look at their accounts and you will they consistently made a profit over the Wharton era and did not pay big wages

Quoted from grimsby pete

I don't hate the scunts it's all banter from me but I do dislike the few that came on here taking the urine. when we were non league.

I hope you get back in the league in the distant future but I would like to know why any man would change his name six times and proof of where the money is coming from if I was you.

Best of luck finding out because you need to know.

Some supporters have asked for a refund of the money they paid for 1899 membership 2-3 weeks ago. DW says he has been really busy as there are lots of questions to answer but he will sort it this Monday!

Quoted from BIron

Oh wow you sound a very angry man. What a nasty response, it was only a bit of banter no need to get personal. Sounds like you had an interesting upbringing and credit to you for sticking with your team despite living amongst their arch enemy.

Calm down, have a look outside and smile. Not everyone is full of hatred.

UTI

I'll tell you what's copulated me off mate, you coming on this forum and telling me I've the audacity to live in the town I was born in.
As for getting personal, who started it in the first place with that statement?
And don't tell me to calm down either you patronising fool.

Any recent new from Scunthorpe anyone ?????

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Any recent new from Scunthorpe anyone ?????

Yes, it's obviously full of patronising fools without their own forum. 😆

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Any recent new from Scunthorpe anyone ?????

Yes mate, they are playing in the NLN next season if they have a ground to play at, you won’t get the results of any games they play until the following morning and you will have to look inside the back page in the small print below proper football matches of most newspapers to find out their result. UTM

Quoted from RonMariner

That’s interesting. I am much older than you but I also experienced what was a golden age from 1980 to 2003 when Town were in the Championship for 17 seasons during that period. That’s why the terrible years under Fenty were so hard to stomach. It’s hard to accept a 5-0 thrashing at Braintree when you can look back at victory at Stamford Bridge. I was seething with anger that we had fallen so low as the National League.

So I and many others understand how you are feeling. And it’s something you wouldn’t wish on any football fan. So I understand that it’s hard not to lose your cool now and again.

What I will say though is that I am sure most of us on this site have far more respect for a guy like you that sticks by his home town club than the glory hunters who pretend that they are Chelsea, Liverpool, more recently Man City, and in the future no doubt Newcastle fans. It’s easy to support the team that happens to top the Prem. but I don’t believe that it could ever mean as much to them as watching our home team beating the odds like we did at Southampton this season.

It’s about being a true football fan.

Best of luck to you this season.

Thank you Ron, always enjoyed your responses on here to myself, you come across a genuine bloke. All the best to you as well.

UTI

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I'll tell you what's copulated me off mate, you coming on this forum and telling me I've the audacity to live in the town I was born in.
As for getting personal, who started it in the first place with that statement?
And don't tell me to calm down either you patronising fool.

No it really wasn’t that deep, if you think I’ve come on here to wind you up it wasn’t my intention. You call that personal? That wasn’t me getting personal at all. That’s twice you’ve called me something now, a patronising fool? I was actually trying to make light heart of it and have a joke with you.

You must be about 30 years my senior, you sound like a very angry man. I suggest you calm yourself down instead of mouthing off on the internet.

UTI

Quoted from BIron

No it really wasn’t that deep, if you think I’ve come on here to wind you up it wasn’t my intention. You call that personal? That wasn’t me getting personal at all. That’s twice you’ve called me something now, a patronising fool? I was actually trying to make light heart of it and have a joke with you.

You must be about 30 years my senior, you sound like a very angry man. I suggest you calm yourself down instead of mouthing off on the internet.

UTI

I suggest you do us all a favour a f*** o** on your own forum and take your snide remarks with you. Personally I hope Scunny go bust and I will laugh my bloody head off.

BIRON your embarrassing yourself now.
As a scunny fan I find all the Grimsby lot on here decent people not malicious or ill wishers or anything.

Anyway if you fancy been a director apply within

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02UiyBcGZVB7JhddnQShcVkQrKQEnXV6iz9SnPW7vDcRTfmcNPzCcGdPdHPPqdU2Dql&id=100064692155935

Quoted from Titty

BIRON your embarrassing yourself now.
As a scunny fan I find all the Grimsby lot on here decent people not malicious or ill wishers or anything.

Anyway if you fancy been a director apply within

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid02UiyBcGZVB7JhddnQShcVkQrKQEnXV6iz9SnPW7vDcRTfmcNPzCcGdPdHPPqdU2Dql&id=100064692155935

The ideal candidate will be excellent at nodding their head.

Posted by a Scunny fan on TFF earlier today, not sure if it's been mentioned yet but their accounts are now officially overdue...

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00123622

The accountant will only need one pen to write up their accounts, RED.

Interesting they are advertising for new investors/board members .

Something Mr David said would not happen earlier in his tenure ,in his own words it will be 'just me ' .

Just like he said
They will 'always play at Glanford park'
They will 'train at Ilkeston'
He will 'close the academy '
He will 'try a new idea ,and recruit 15-20 ex high level academy graduates'
All members of the expensive ticket club will 'get a refund' (waiting)
They will 'be in a purpose built stadium in 2 years '

There are many more contradictions but I have forgotten .

Bonkers

Their fixture list out.

Opening games

Tamworth (A)
Peterborough Sports (H)
Darlington (H)
Rushall Olympic (A)
Curzon Ashton (A)
Scarborough (H)

Nice Xmas/New Year Double (I do miss this from our non-league days to be fair) with Farsley Celtic.

Ending the season with a local fixture away at Gloucester City.

First home game could be tasty. Travelling mob of 9 coming up the A1 from Peterborough to give their former manager some abuse.

Got to admire the attempt at putting a positive spin on their fixtures.

Tweet 1676585156226740225 will appear here...

Blimey, for a split second I thought that they were announcing season ticket sales....... oh silly me..... 🥴😁

They spun that less miles crap pretty soon after relegation too.

excrement that your house was 30 metres away from the Chernobyl explosion. But on the plus side you're going to save on buying toothpaste because you no longer have teeth to brush.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Their fixture list out.

Opening games

Tamworth (A)
Peterborough Sports (H)
Darlington (H)
Rushall Olympic (A)
Curzon Ashton (A)
Scarborough (H)

Nice Xmas/New Year Double (I do miss this from our non-league days to be fair) with Farsley Celtic.

Ending the season with a local fixture away at Gloucester City.

First home game could be tasty. Travelling mob of 9 coming up the A1 from Peterborough to give their former manager some abuse.

Tamworth!! (blink2)

Just that name sends chills down my spine!

Watching the Gateshead streams last night to see Conteh made me realise however much I enjoyed the NL at the time , I never want us back there let alone NLN .

Quoted from diehardmariner

Their fixture list out.

Opening games

Tamworth (A)
Peterborough Sports (H)
Darlington (H)
Rushall Olympic (A)
Curzon Ashton (A)
Scarborough (H)

Nice Xmas/New Year Double (I do miss this from our non-league days to be fair) with Farsley Celtic.

Ending the season with a local fixture away at Gloucester City.

First home game could be tasty. Travelling mob of 9 coming up the A1 from Peterborough to give their former manager some abuse.

Funny how those random computers selected New Club vs Old Club for the first home game 😅

Quoted from Son of Cod

Posted by a Scunny fan on TFF earlier today, not sure if it's been mentioned yet but their accounts are now officially overdue...

https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00123622

Many people on here said that overdue company accounts are nothing to worry about.

Looking forward to an early-season trip down there, will soon see if they will walk the league.

There will be some made up excuse for the accounts being late... Is there a fine for this sort of thing ??

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Looking forward to an early-season trip down there, will soon see if they will walk the league.

It's easy to talk the talk.
Different situation to walk the walk.

do we know where the mileage is being taken from? Ilkeston, Scumthorpe or Goole?

Quoted from forza ivano

do we know where the mileage is being taken from? Ilkeston, Scunthorpe or Goole?

In all fairness, it did say Glanford Park, but their Wiki page still states they will play at "The New Manor Ground". This has been there for a fair while now and, for what reason, Scunny have chosen not to amend it!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scunthorpe_United_F.C.

There is a small segment about them on The Price Of Football podcast today , seems the lads on there have concerns describing Mr Hiltons new 'idea' to invite people onto the board as weird.

On that Facebook page of there's Mr David is saying he's 'working through' the refund process for the golden ticket bods , this has been going on for a few weeks now and considering they only have 150 ticket holders would not have taken this long , you would have thought .

The signing of loads of decent players for them has masked what's actually going on , the accounts filing in isolation is nothing out of the ordinary ; it's more the fact I think Mr Dave has promised they would be be filed by at least 2 previous dates which he has not met.

They are in one hell of a mess , and I'm not sure they start the season.

If they do it will be promotion or bust ,at best .

Deeply concerning for our neighbours .

Quoted from forza ivano

do we know where the mileage is being taken from? Ilkeston, Scumthorpe or Goole?

Goole are having work done on their ground so it won't be there!

I believe more hawks are circling on their young prospects too, at various levels...

Quoted from diehardmariner

I believe more hawks are circling on their young prospects too, at various levels...

They are at a level ideal for a decent young pro to start making a name for themselves. Their signings however, suggest youngsters won't get the opportunity to impress.

Bit further down the chain mate.

Can't remember the lads name but we picked up one of their highly rated schoolkids, striker who has scored for fun through the age-groups.

Other clubs are now following suit and picking them off.

Last year Scunny will have still got full Premier League funding for their youth set-up.  This year it's halved.  Next summer, it's completely gone.  Even with back-to-back promotions they're facing a 12-month period with a huge gap in their youth pot.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Bit further down the chain mate.

Can't remember the lads name but we picked up one of their highly rated schoolkids, striker who has scored for fun through the age-groups.

Other clubs are now following suit and picking them off.

Last year Scunny will have still got full Premier League funding for their youth set-up.  This year it's halved.  Next summer, it's completely gone.  Even with back-to-back promotions they're facing a 12-month gap with a huge gap in their youth pot.

Grayson Giles- 2 year scholarship .

Quoted from Mappers

There is a small segment about them on The Price Of Football podcast today , seems the lads on there have concerns describing Mr Hiltons new 'idea' to invite people onto the board as weird.

On that Facebook page of there's Mr David is saying he's 'working through' the refund process for the golden ticket bods , this has been going on for a few weeks now and considering they only have 150 ticket holders would not have taken this long , you would have thought .

The signing of loads of decent players for them has masked what's actually going on , the accounts filing in isolation is nothing out of the ordinary ; it's more the fact I think Mr Dave has promised they would be be filed by at least 2 previous dates which he has not met.

They are in one hell of a mess , and I'm not sure they start the season.

If they do it will be promotion or bust ,at best .

Deeply concerning for our neighbours .

Yeah listened to that, words used to describe the running of the club included "bizarre", "red flags" and "unprofessional".

The fella that runs that podcast is highly respected, and was basically in disbelief at this idea of "fancy being a director - come on in and help make the decisions" being advertised on the website to any Tom, male private or Harry.

I seem to remember one of the sceptics about hilton saying there needs to be more than 1 director according to club rules but who was it and it not really being answered, something like that. Such a mess.

The podcast Also referenced the other areas of running the club but didn't want to go into it.

He has posted a lengthy post on their facebook page .(I don't know how to copy & paste on my phone or I would)

They have fallen for it hook,line and sinker

Cooing over him

Ticket scheme went pear so scrambling for investment?

Still no actual important questions answered

A relentless attack on their iron bru forum (we have been there )

What a show .

The one thing that will always baffle me is why this need to explain everything on a fans Facebook page and not go through the media etc . It reads to me like he's stepping back from the day to day running of the club ?? . Leaving the new directors to run the club

This is going to get messy. Swanny’s just posted a statement on the iron Bru forum ,basically calling Dodgy Dave a liar and saying he hasn’t got the funds to complete the deal . He’s also repossessing the ground.
It’s beginning to look like the light at the end of the tunnel is the light of an oncoming train for our ferrous fingered friends down the road.

The post in question, copied and pasted below. Quelle surprise, quelle surprise…

Quoted Text

Please see statement dated 06.07.23 below. I have posted here as a last resort to attempt to bring the fans up to date as I don’t have any social media accounts.

There comes a time, during every business transaction, when a party must state certain facts due to media posts and speculation in the public domain, which are untrue, misleading and causing harm to one or more of the associated parties. I hope this statement clarifies in writing, what can be substantiated with evidence if ever challenged.
We as a family decided to look to sell the club and Glanford Park a couple of years ago and had various interests from multiple parties. Those potential purchasers worked with us on establishing the value of the club and land, working through budgets, creditors and debtors etc. Over that period all of those offers and interests fell away due to a lack of proven funds but not until a substantial amount of time and money was spent in accommodating those interested parties. In January, we decided to appoint an advisor to add clarity to the situation and we hoped to be able to move the club on quicker and with transparency. Sadly, each new potential buyer fell away at the proof of funds and finance stage of the purchase, even with a professional independent advisor on board.
In the middle of January, I was told that we had serious interest from an individual who already owned a club and wanted to step in and take the football club and land associated with it and that our advisors had seen proof of funds. The land and stadium were priced at £3m and the individual was notified that the club would probably need £600k of liquid investment to finish the season. Management accounts, budgets and all other details were at hand, as we had prepared and provided these for many other previous potential investors. Everything was clear in the financial package and the purchaser, Mr David Hilton, had access to this and so much more information. The price was agreed – Mr Hilton was happy with the £3m price tag and understood the investment needed to finish the season and take on all the existing debts and loans. As such, we decided to sell the club to Mr Hilton for a few pounds and proceeded to enter an exclusivity period, which was Mr Hilton’s idea and also included extended timescales, at Mr Hilton’s request, for any extra due diligence on the asset and so that, in his words, he could liquidate the funds required to purchase.
In late January, we signed a 4-month exclusivity agreement, which meant we could not sell to another party and were bound into that period with Mr Hilton. During this period, Mr Hilton had explained he was using the best professional people to advise him on the land and stadium and didn’t require his lawyers until the transaction was to be concluded. Although in breach of the exclusivity deal, we were happy to work on this premise. At no time did Mr Hilton raise concerns over the price and in fact on multiple occasions had stated he was happy with the price and would be concluding on time or even earlier.
The first red flag surfaced when Mr Hilton announced the 1899 club membership scheme, which uncannily reflected the figures for the purchase of the club and stadium, as well as the likely liquid funds required to finish the season. We approached Mr Hilton on this and explained we were concerned he did not have the funds to purchase, which is when the relationship went south, to a point where direct contact was impossible due to the content of certain emails and texts received by myself. The lawyers then took control and no direct discussions have taken place since. No new proof of funds, as asked for by me, or statement of wealth has been forthcoming.
During the exclusivity period, we continued to work tirelessly, answering his enquiries via our solicitors in a timely and professional manner and overcoming all questions asked on the matter. Despite this, still the process dragged on. We received an offer for the full amount spaced over a period, which we agreed to but required proof of funds and security over the property until the amount was paid in full. However, Mr Hilton asked to secure the balance payments on a personal guarantee, which would have been just less than half of the agreed purchase price over 12 months or more, interest free. We again asked for proof of funds, which were being withheld. Mr Hilton refused to accept security over the land and stadium and after we did our own due diligence decided we couldn’t accept a personal guarantee, which now was being asked to be put against SUFC rather than himself in any case. This was unacceptable for us, and we were sure this is something that would not go down well with the fans either. From about a month before the end of the exclusivity period, Mr Hilton refused to pay the agreed sum and started to impose unrealistic demands which we could not accept under the agreement that was in place.
We have acted with full professionalism, respected the exclusivity agreement in full and with flexibility where needed, never moved the transaction to benefit us beyond the agreement and in fact have worked to accommodate any deal that would have ensured Scunthorpe Utd had the best possible chance of moving forward and staying at Glanford Park (GP). These range from a discounted one-off price, to a deposit and interest free payments, to a part sale with agreement to change the price if any issue was found to devalue the site. In fact, that is still available and has been on the table – Mr Hilton could have owned the site, secured possession and the future of the club by paying just 50% of the asking price and working on the remaining monies needed. To this day I have still not seen proof of funds directly or, received via the solicitors, any up-to-date proof of funds or wealth as requested and we must question until proven otherwise whether those funds were available and / or are still available to purchase the site under the exclusivity agreement.
The recent media / news reports and online chatter regarding a new stadium, training facilities and a potential ground share agreed late April and licenced by the National League at that time, have convinced us that Mr Hilton does not have the money to purchase the site and in fact was ready to vacate after the May deadline as stated in the exclusivity agreement. To our complete surprise we received notification shortly before the deadline that Mr Hilton would be himself issuing SUFC a short term 7-day periodic lease, in contravention of the exclusivity agreement and where he had no legal right to do so. This lease will be challenged in the courts shortly and Mr Hilton and SUFC will be asked to vacate the land. The lease he issued himself does not constitute a security of tenure required by the National League or the FA. We have made this point very clear to the National League alongside many other ongoing major issues, however they have refused to work with us or even communicate with us properly to discuss these concerns.
It is unfathomable that Mr Hilton has not truly informed the fans of this situation, still continues to claim the club holds a two-year secured lease, that SUFC will 100% be playing at GP, and that a groundshare had been agreed as a backup! SUFC has been taking monies for season tickets, sponsorship, home friendlies, car parking, as well as signing numerous players on contracts who have likely committed with the expectation of playing at GP this season – all these parties making purchases and commitments not knowing the true nature of the situation. Mr Hilton is completely aware of all of the above and yet both he and SUFC continue to publicly pretend all is well and that GP will be where SUFC play their football this season.
It is time Mr Hilton answered publicly and directly to inform the fans what is going on – not hiding behind closed doors, in closed interviews, through Facebook or through others’ social media accounts. Mr Hilton needs to tell the fans the truth of the position he is in, not only on the purchase, but why he hasn’t publicly kept them in the loop regarding the situation both himself and SUFC find themselves in. There are many more serious questions that must be answered and there is still a chance the situation could be recovered, if Mr Hilton decides to pay what was agreed, in whichever format that works for all parties and with accompanying legitimate proof of funds. However, currently the occupation of GP and a complete lack of any recent considered efforts by Mr Hilton and his team to come to any form of amicable agreement on the purchase has meant we have been forced into legal action to regain possession of the property.

Just what do you have to have done to fail the fit and proper owners test?
Will the new fella suddenly declare he's found the funds thanks to a new investor who looks a lot like this bloke ...

When he mentions proof of funds, is that to the FA (fit and proper person test) or just to Swann/solicitor?

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

Just what do you have to have done to fail the fit and proper owners test?
Will the new fella suddenly declare he's found the funds thanks to a new investor who looks a lot like this bloke ...

For a start, you have to be in the EFL.

Quoted from Poojah

For a start, you have to be in the EFL.

Ah i see. Thanks mate.

Quoted from Meza

Ah i see. Thanks mate.

Yeah, despite some of the shysters that I’ve found their way into EFL ownership, I think it’s highly unlikely David Hilton would have been permitted to take control of the club (for reasons that are becoming increasingly obvious).

https://www.iron-bru.co.uk/forums/topic/statement-06-07-23/?fbclid=IwAR0ZSLHXQ1ST6m2D865u9xIC4CAevlYQkWvca0eYO1E5HnQW5o8N9-JEP38

Good read for you guys.
Swann has spoken

I would be extremely surprised if Swann has made any of that up.... Surely them rose tinted glasses are falling off?

The new “owner” has somewhat responded on that Facebook fans group, it’s absolutely incredible to see Scunny fans just completely lapping it up while the house is clearly ablaze.

Poojahs early post about the situation and the fans naivety is absolutely bang on.

But it's going it be OK, BRion and others told us so!

Absolute flipping car crash over there.

Mighty convenient if they can't play at GP this close to the start of the season. Just wonder where they could ground share, perhaps Hilton has some connections at other clubs...I dunno maybe within an hour or so driving distance?

Looks like Mr White/Hilton has responded with some name calling... classy... ;D

Quoted from Poojah

Yeah, despite some of the shysters that I’ve found their way into EFL ownership, I think it’s highly unlikely David Hilton would have been permitted to take control of the club (for reasons that are becoming increasingly obvious).

I wondered how they've been filtering through. For me, and I'm not just being a nasty rival fan, but someone who he is struggling to understand why the Scunny fans can't see through him, everything I've read, watched, and listened to he just comes across as dodgy as hell. He talks the talk like a charmer and seems to like to bullshit, you know what they say, you can't bullshit a bullshitter.

We'll find out soon enough I guess.

Quoted from GhostDan

The new “owner” has somewhat responded on that Facebook fans group, it’s absolutely incredible to see Scunny fans just completely lapping it up while the house is clearly ablaze.

Poojahs early post about the situation and the fans naivety is absolutely bang on.

Can you copy and paste his reply for those of us not on Facebook. This is far more entertaining than Eastenders !

Quoted from MarshMariner

Looks like Mr White/Hilton has responded with some name calling... classy... ;D

Can we have a link

Quoted from Captaincod

Can you copy and paste his reply for those of us not on Facebook. This is far more entertaining than Eastenders !

“Now isn’t this surprising, the day I publish that I am uncomfortable with Iron Bru and I confirm their allegiance to your former owner and they issue a statement from the man himself.

Convenient 🤣

I will obviously respond to this rubbish once I have had time to digest it. But it does seem my earlier post has smoked out some vermin and clarified a certain relationship status.”

Quoted from Meza

I wondered how they've been filtering through. For me, and I'm not just being a nasty rival fan, but someone who he is struggling to understand why the Scunny fans can't see through him, everything I've read, watched, and listened to he just comes across as dodgy as hell. He talks the talk like a charmer and seems to like to bullshit, you know what they say, you can't bullshit a bullshitter.

We'll find out soon enough I guess.

There are some of us suspicious and outright sceptical, but we just get told to support Grimsby/Hull, how we thrive on misery and aren't proper fans.

Sorry to say Mr Burger but your club is as dead as disco.

I agree. The only question for me is how long will it take. I would prefer the Bury route. At least they knew they were dying. 3/4 of our fans seem to think it's all going to be ok still!

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I agree. The only question for me is how long will it take. I would prefer the Bury route. At least they knew they were dying. 3/4 of our fans seem to think it's all going to be ok still!

Sorry to say this, but it looks increasingly like the worst case scenario is about to play out for the Scunts.

I am now starting to agree with the doom mongers who have predicted that they won’t even start the season.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

There are some of us suspicious and outright sceptical, but we just get told to support Grimsby/Hull, how we thrive on misery and aren't proper fans.

I suppose in reality what is it that can be done without having someone with some money behind them.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

There are some of us suspicious and outright sceptical, but we just get told to support Grimsby/Hull, how we thrive on misery and aren't proper fans.

It'll have to be Hull mate. We can't fit our own fans in.

I find the situation completely bizarre, is this evidence that we live in a multiverse and SUFC is in some other multiverse bubble - the clubs website, social media, everything really, appears as if the club owns the stadium and land - all acquired as per the original publicised deal? Then there is that SUFC Fangroup page which is like some weird cult worship thing of the leader.

The fixtures are out, tickets are available for home pre-season games - what is the legal basis that SUFC are occupying Glanford Park?

If I were one of these big money signings they’ve made this summer, I’d be on the phone to my agent asking what the fúcking hell they’ve got me into.

Quoted from ska face

If I were one of these big money signings they’ve made this summer, I’d be on the phone to my agent asking what the fúcking hell they’ve got me into.

Or perhaps those players should have asked themselves how a club that has been in freefall from the championship, down to non league north, could be paying the sort of money that attracted them to go there in the first place.

Were I a footballer, I think I might have been a bit wary of going there, given the upheaval that has gone on at Scunny.

Scunny fans buying into anything Hilton says deserve everything they get.

A excrement storm already exists but it’s just about to get worse. Swann May be the architect of the demise of scunny but he says nothing out of turn in that statement.

Hilton hasn’t even used solicitors, why? Or do we already know the answer to that.

Simple fact is, and everyone except those moron scunny fans can see it, Hilton has no money, he hasn’t been able to prove the funds…

Scunny fans must be absolute morons not to see through him now, surely....

Ah-ha, I think I see the problem

Message for Biron when he shows up....so, load of new and promising signings paid from an invisible account playing at a home venue still to be decided in front of fans who have to attend as they can't get their money refunded after buying into the clubs pyramid scheme and I for one am absolutely RATTLED!

Just a thought, but Swann says he agreed to sell the ground for £3 million and the club for ‘a few pounds’. Does that mean Hilton owns the club? Or would he have to have bought them together?

Maybe Hilton has pulled a fast one here, getting the club for next to nothing so he can move it to another ground with no need to fork out 3 million.

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Message for Biron when he shows up....so, load of new and promising signings paid from an invisible account playing at a home venue still to be decided in front of fans who have to attend as they can't get their money refunded after buying into the clubs pyramid scheme and I for one am absolutely RATTLED!

I think your inference is a little harsh there. Footage has emerged from the club showing the players’ wages being paid.

Quoted from RonMariner

Just a thought, but Swann says he agreed to sell the ground for £3 million and the club for ‘a few pounds’. Does that mean Hilton owns the club? Or would he have to have bought them together?

Maybe Hilton has pulled a fast one here, getting the club for next to nothing so he can move it to another ground with no need to fork out 3 million.

Only issue with that is they won’t have a ground and will find it difficult to get one at this short notice. Equally, if he hasn’t got the money which is obvious by now, how would they fund a new one?

Quoted from mariner91

Only issue with that is they won’t have a ground and will find it difficult to get one at this short notice. Equally, if he hasn’t got the money which is obvious by now, how would they fund a new one?

Hilton previously put it on record that they have agreed a deal with another non-league club to play at their ground, as a “precaution”.

At this stage, the chances of Scunny kicking-off the season at Glanford Park look to be <0.1%. I’m yet to be convinced that the chances of them kicking-off anywhere are a great deal better.

Quoted from Poojah

Hilton previously put it on record that they have agreed a deal with another non-league club to play at their ground, as a “precaution”.

At this stage, the chances of Scunny kicking-off the season at Glanford Park look to be <0.1%. I’m yet to be convinced that the chances of them kicking-off anywhere are a great deal better.

Mr Hilton/Mr White has said a few things... not sure I would take solace in that myself.. ;)

Quoted from aldi_01

Scunny fans buying into anything Hilton says deserve everything they get.

A excrement storm already exists but it’s just about to get worse. Swann May be the architect of the demise of scunny but he says nothing out of turn in that statement.

Hilton hasn’t even used solicitors, why? Or do we already know the answer to that.

Simple fact is, and everyone except those moron scunny fans can see it, Hilton has no money, he hasn’t been able to prove the funds…

I'm a Scunny fan and I must admit that I am losing sympathy for some, in particular those who are abusing and insulting those for not just blindly trusting Hilton. Those who say that they hope it's all ok, because the alternative means destruction, I am more forgiving.

Today was always going to happen; Hilton can't keep at it against the deal, and making comments about Swann, without having Swann respond. It's all very childish at the moment, and we should be sceptical about the rights and wrongs, but Hilton has form with business, much of what Swann mentioned corroborates with what has been said elsewhere and he has every damn right to expect the money they agreed. £3 mil may have been an inflated price, but Hilton can't just renegade on it because he had a change of feeling post-agreement based on cost disagreements (and the ransom strip excuse is a load of balderdash) .

Not that I am 'team Swann'. He copulated up in everything he did and managed to intercourse up a sale, where he treated it like selling a book on ebay. I also am sceptical of his claims about other sellers, given how he handled the local consortium, but most of the rest is plausible. Hilton has acted like the ultimate bullshitter.

I think this post says it all... >:(

Taken from the Scunny Fans Page... ;D

Were stronger than ever and we will be back belive and trust one man only that's David Hilton dnt listen to outsiders or rumours he's putting the foundations and building a great bored of directors and great squad to give us every chance trust him and belive in him the fat controller should never ever be mentioned with this club again new beginnings

Perhaps if you say it enough it may come true... Its like the Wizard of Oz... :)

Quoted from Poojah

Hilton previously put it on record that they have agreed a deal with another non-league club to play at their ground, as a “precaution”.

At this stage, the chances of Scunny kicking-off the season at Glanford Park look to be <0.1%. I’m yet to be convinced that the chances of them kicking-off anywhere are a great deal better.

Aye, but I am not sure if he has a deal which is acceptable with the authorities. If things go belly up, he is probably hoping he can just wing a deal with Ilkeston.

Quoted from RonMariner

Just a thought, but Swann says he agreed to sell the ground for £3 million and the club for ‘a few pounds’. Does that mean Hilton owns the club? Or would he have to have bought them together?

Maybe Hilton has pulled a fast one here, getting the club for next to nothing so he can move it to another ground with no need to fork out 3 million.

Tricky one this, do you believe Shyster 1 or Shyster 2 , or ???? .........hmmmmm

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I'm a Scunny fan and I must admit that I am losing sympathy for some, in particular those who are abusing and insulting those for not just blindly trusting Hilton. Those who say that they hope it's all ok, because the alternative means destruction, I am more forgiving.

Today was always going to happen; Hilton can't keep at it against the deal, and making comments about Swann, without having Swann respond. It's all very childish at the moment, and we should be sceptical about the rights and wrongs, but Hilton has form with business, much of what Swann mentioned corroborates with what has been said elsewhere and he has every damn right to expect the money they agreed. £3 mil may have been an inflated price, but Hilton can't just renegade on it because he had a change of feeling post-agreement based on cost disagreements (and the ransom strip excuse is a load of balderdash) .

Not that I am 'team Swann'. He copulated up in everything he did and managed to intercourse up a sale, where he treated it like selling a book on ebay. I also am sceptical of his claims about other sellers, given how he handled the local consortium, but most of the rest is plausible. Hilton has acted like the ultimate bullshitter.

Where your fans have got this so terribly wrong is by splitting camps into pro Hilton or against..... Your common ground is that you all love and Support Scunthorpe United FC and looking out for it's interests should of been your main priority. Your fans need to back away right now and let this play out to it's natural conclusion. It's too late to do anything else sadly . Hilton v Swann on social media, absolutely pathetic

So Swann has sold 'the club' and all its liabilities for a few pounds, removing all liability for him and kept the only asset, the land?

Seems a reasonable deal for him, apart from taking the massive losses he accumulated on the chin.

(I've lost track a little so might have this wrong)

One thing I seem to remember is Swann said a while back is he’d given the club a 99 year freehold lease on the ground . If this is true could Dodgy Dave have bought the club for a nominal fee knowing that Swann couldn’t evict him if he just flatly refused to buy the ground himself? He has history for being a bit of a con man. If Swann can’t evict him them his land is worth much less and puts Dodgy Dave in a much better position .
I don’t really take any pleasure in this, it could have been us.

I don't think the 99 year lease exists, Cod. If it existed, I don't think Hilton would have needed to chance this lending the ground to himself nonsense.

Really hope it all works out for you and you're club Mr Burger, though it's looking decidedly dodgy right now.

Despite the ribbing, I don't think any of us GTFC fans want to see you go belly up.

Quoted from ginnywings

Really hope it all works out for you and you're club Mr Burger, though it's looking decidedly dodgy right now.

Despite the ribbing, I don't think any of us GTFC fans want to see you go belly up.

Incorrect. I want them to go belly up. They lorded it over us for the best part of 15 years, largely based on ridiculous over spending. The Wharton era was commendable, but the Swann era was odious and gave them an unfair advantage over well run clubs. We were sh#t due to our own idiotic owner, but Scunny’s recent fall is karma - not a single scunny fan had an issue with paying people like Kevin Van Veen 4K per week when they couldn’t afford it.

To be fair, I’d be supportive of their fans who start a phoenix club, but SUFC in their current form need to go so football eventually learns an important lesson.

Quoted from MarshMariner

I think this post says it all... >:(

Taken from the Scunny Fans Page... ;D

Were stronger than ever and we will be back belive and trust one man only that's David Hilton dnt listen to outsiders or rumours he's putting the foundations and building a great bored of directors and great squad to give us every chance trust him and belive in him the fat controller should never ever be mentioned with this club again new beginnings

Perhaps if you say it enough it may come true... Its like the Wizard of Oz... :)

Bored of directors.....Lol.

Another point on this, which this latest Swann statement pricked my memory....I am sure Hilton satisfied the league/fa that he had funds to be able to purchase in the first place, Hilton used that himself in previous interviews when asked about his finance.

Is this new raft of fan directors all part of a plan Hilton has to block Swann getting back on The board?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Is this new raft of fan directors all part of a plan Hilton has to block Swann getting back on The board?

or could it be these are the new owners of SUFC and "Mr whatever his name is these days" is running away lol.

So what is the score with DH/DW? Is he just stupid, did he “buy” the club to then go all out to destroy it? What is his point, I just don’t get what he is doing.

What’s with the new directors appointed today ? Keith walters has some credibility

Not sure we should be calling fans holding on to any vestige of hope as Morons .Misguided yes .But at times we all want to believe and hope for something out of our control .

"Were stronger than ever and we will be back belive and trust one man only that's David Hilton dnt listen to outsiders or rumours he's putting the foundations and building a great bored of directors and great squad to give us every chance trust him and belive in him the fat controller should never ever be mentioned with this club again new beginnings"

Is this satire?

We Knew it , logical thinking almost always comes to fruition over hopes and dreams .

No smugness from me

Just another reminder our game is down the shitter , with either people with a load of dosh just throwing money at clubs without any knowledge of how to run a football club ,messing them up , dodgy characters using clubs as a way to manipulate capital or just all out chancers .

It's not a time to hit them , they are on their bottom and anyone with their heads out the sky know it .

Divide and conquer in all it's glory .

Their fans need to unite and fast , because it's all they have left and my god they need to do it soon because the very existence of their football club depends on it .

Without a clear plan & direction from them ,the clubs goes with these two wrong uns using their club as some sort of pawn piece in their game .

Fans deserve better , there are too many clubs to mention on the brink ,the lifeblood and institutions of the very communities they belong to . Stripped away .

Things need to change and fast before we see the next victims (the fans ) of clubs being messed about with for agendas that they both don't want to be involved in or care for.

It's fine wanting teams to lose , but everyone deserves not too be worried for the life of their club , it's a low bar .

I hope they pull through .

Have they started pre season training if so where ?

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I'm a Scunny fan and I must admit that I am losing sympathy for some, in particular those who are abusing and insulting those for not just blindly trusting Hilton. Those who say that they hope it's all ok, because the alternative means destruction, I am more forgiving.

Today was always going to happen; Hilton can't keep at it against the deal, and making comments about Swann, without having Swann respond. It's all very childish at the moment, and we should be sceptical about the rights and wrongs, but Hilton has form with business, much of what Swann mentioned corroborates with what has been said elsewhere and he has every damn right to expect the money they agreed. £3 mil may have been an inflated price, but Hilton can't just renegade on it because he had a change of feeling post-agreement based on cost disagreements (and the ransom strip excuse is a load of balderdash) .

Not that I am 'team Swann'. He copulated up in everything he did and managed to intercourse up a sale, where he treated it like selling a book on ebay. I also am sceptical of his claims about other sellers, given how he handled the local consortium, but most of the rest is plausible. Hilton has acted like the ultimate bullshitter.

First of all welcome to the fishy.
Very good honest post from yourself and I'm genuinely worried for the proper fans of SUFC like yourself. I hope what seems inevitable and obvious isn't going to happen for your sake and other genuine sufc fans

well theres some scunny fans who are completely blinded by Hilton/White whatever his name is, he's as dodgy as they come and the writings been on the wall with him for months

Quoted from 123614

So what is the score with DH/DW? Is he just stupid, did he “buy” the club to then go all out to destroy it? What is his point, I just don’t get what he is doing.

I think this is a key question, what is Hilton's (if that's his name) endgame? What does he hope to get out of owning SUFC? What return does he expect on his investment?

If it's ego then there must be other clubs in a better position than Scunny who he could buy and look good. They are in the NLN, not the natural home of the ego driven football club owner.

It's not supporting your hometown club and giving back to the community. Even our owners admit this is lunacy, while they are doing it! Hilton has no connection to Scunthorpe.

It's most likely asset stripping and making money from the sale of the land GP sits on (and the training ground? I have no idea what that's worth). But he doesn't own the land!

It's a strange one.

Looking at this from a far and not being across all the detail of the chaos that's been going on for months I think it boils down to one thing re Swann vs Hilton. That being I am more inclined to believe a man who has one name than one who has several...

Quoted from Mikey_345

Looking at this from a far and not being across all the detail of the chaos that's been going on for months I think it boils down to one thing re Swann vs Hilton. That being I am more inclined to believe a man who has one name than one who has several...

Agree Swann is obviously a plonker

But Mr David is on another level,probably shows you how much of a hole Swann was/is in that he was willing to sell literally to anyone .

That Dave has certainly got a way with words , and it's not in a good way ; I just can't believe a good majority of them are entertaining him .

Imagine if one of our custodians had labelled this board/the hosts 'vermin' there would have rightly been outrage I am sure of it , but they are a split fanbase.

Quoted from Mappers

Agree Swann is obviously a plonker

But Mr David is on another level,probably shows you how much of a hole Swann was/is in that he was willing to sell literally to anyone .

That Dave has certainly got a way with words , and it's not in a good way ; I just can't believe a good majority of them are entertaining him .

Imagine if one of our custodians had labelled this board/the hosts 'vermin' there would have rightly been outrage I am sure of it , but they are a split fanbase.

To be fair to the Iron Bru lot, they put out a very strident response to that comment from Hilton.

“The members of Iron Bru are not vermin. We may be liars, pigs, idiots, vermin, but we are NOT porn stars!”

Can someone point me in the direction of the post on here about hiltons ,was it telecoms scam?
(In debate currently on the Facebook page that he's a wrong un)

Crikey, there are 250 pages it's on there somewhere . I can't remember the name bud but it's on there - i think he admitted he was involved at your fans forum and it was a 'dark time' in his life and was not proud of it or something like that .Mr David .

Just clicked back through about 100 pages worth and gave in eventually.

Brittania law bud , thats it just googled 'David White called me '
And it came up ,say's it all really .

Swann is the architect of the mess that is currently SUFC but I have no doubt that Hilton is most definitely not going to be anything other another disaster. Perhaps it’s just blind optimism from scunny fans but he is a disaster waiting to happen…

Quoted from aldi_01

Swann is the architect of the mess that is currently SUFC but I have no doubt that Hilton is most definitely not going to be anything other another disaster. Perhaps it’s just blind optimism from scunny fans but he is a disaster waiting to happen…

Swann the architect and building contractor; Hilton the demolition man. The Swann / Hilton era summarised by a gif:

Swann is the buyer of the Titanic, stripping out all of its lifeboats, life jackets and emergency flares and selling them before launch.
Hilton is the iceberg. And now the collision is due.

Dave just replied with a furious slanderous meltdown.
Post was instantly renoved

Any chance anyone screenshot it?

This is Bradley Guest, he is a vicious convicted drug dealing racist that has recently been sacked from a school.

For the record Bradley my reference to Vermin was directed at Swann.

Is all you have done in the last few days is attack me on here, so piecing this together with the actual character you are you are the first and hopefully last person I personally will be banning from GP.

From Swann's statement (which despite the guy being an absolute buffoon I do believe) this is what I think Mr David's plan has been all along;

Buy the club for a few quid (he probably paid £1) with the promise to also buy the stadium and land for £3m after a period of due diligence. Have absolutely no intention whatsoever in doing so, drag your feet as much as possible until its clear to everyone that you don't have any intention (or means) of paying.

Then you either do 2 things; move all operations to Ilkestone and merge the 2 clubs. Or force Swann to sell the stadium for absolutely peanuts because there's no other option and saddle the cost on other investors or fans. How scunny fans didn't see the 1899 scheme as a huge red flag I will never understand, but they all seem to have their heads well and truly buried in the sand.

I'm convinced his original plan was the merger which has probably been scuttled to some extent because scunny are now only 1 league above Ilkeston. Its all extremely odd, and very sad for football. The scunny fans falling over themselves to praise this guy are embarrassing. Mr David even posted something on his Facebook page (which hes since deleted) from the wolf of Wall Street along the lines of "was all of this legal? Absolutely flipping not." Although not damning evidence of being a crook if someone openly tells you they're a crook then there's a high chance that for once they're telling the truth.

Surely an organisation as well run as the FA wouldn't allow a merger between 2 clubs 70 miles apart?!

I still think a possible outcome (maybe soon )is he walks away blaming all and sundry, 'everbody is against Dave' it's almost as if he's orchestrating it atm - too obvious surely ?

Sweet jesus , he's just given someone a lifetime ban from wherever they are playing ,on that facebook page .

The merger is probably their only hope of survival in any form , apart from a phoenix club - but have they got the fight for that ?

This is a right mess , was it similiar to what happened to Bury & Macclesfield ?
I never followed their plight

Quoted from gtfc98

From Swann's statement (which despite the guy being an absolute buffoon I do believe) this is what I think Mr David's plan has been all along;

Buy the club for a few quid (he probably paid £1) with the promise to also buy the stadium and land for £3m after a period of due diligence. Have absolutely no intention whatsoever in doing so, drag your feet as much as possible until it's clear to everyone that you don't have any intention (or means) of paying.

Then you either do 2 things; move all operations to Ilkestone and merge the 2 clubs. .

Doing a catch-up reading through this thread and this is all I could think of as well. Everything he's doing stinks of him wanting an excuse to do a Franchise FC, that's why he tried to move the training ground and staff offices before the backlash

Quoted from Abdul19

Surely an organisation as well run as the FA wouldn't allow a merger between 2 clubs 70 miles apart?!

*cough*

There is a third option. It isn't this, but I thought I'd throw it in for ships and giggles, after all the reality is bizarre enough.

PS and DH are really great mates in secret . DH deliberately makes such a hash of things that SUFC go belly up and cease to exist. PS then gets to sell GP for development as it is redundant, without it looking like a deliberate act (which might make the council reluctant to give change of use).

And they would have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids*.

* I tried to weave DH dressing up as a ghost into this but couldn't

After falling well behind, this thread is staging a
comeback in the head to head against the Ska Face Summer Transfer Rumour thread, which, with PH getting all his business done early, is drifting becalmed. All it needs now is David White to announce the new home ground as North Ferriby United and this thread will surge into the lead…

Quoted from Abdul19

Surely an organisation as well run as the FA wouldn't allow a merger between 2 clubs 70 miles apart?!

You wouldn't have thought an organisation as well run as the FA would allow a team to be kidnapped and moved 70 miles away from their home!!

Quoted from Bogtrotter

There is a third option. It isn't this, but I thought I'd throw it in for ships and giggles, after all the reality is bizarre enough.

PS and DH are really great mates in secret . DH deliberately makes such a hash of things that SUFC go belly up and cease to exist. PS then gets to sell GP for development as it is redundant, without it looking like a deliberate act (which might make the council reluctant to give change of use).

And they would have got away with it if it wasn't for those pesky kids*.

* I tried to weave DH dressing up as a ghost into this but couldn't

Yeah this had crossed my mind too,surely not though, don't think the pair of them are intelligent enough to concoct such a plan anyway!

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

After falling well behind, this thread is staging a
comeback in the head to head against the Ska Face Summer Transfer Rumour thread, which, with PH getting all his business done early, is drifting becalmed. All it needs now is David White to announce the new home ground as North Ferriby United and this thread will surge into the lead…

More likely to be South Ferriby concrete works football pitch. At least there’s a decent gastro pub within a few yards.

Quoted from LN8Mariner

More likely to be South Ferriby concrete works football pitch. At least there’s a decent gastro pub within a few yards.

Oh no, they’ll be able to outclass us in the Footy Food Championship…I think we are top 10 atm aren’t we?

Quoted from LN8Mariner

More likely to be South Ferriby concrete works football pitch. At least there’s a decent gastro pub within a few yards.

That would be The Hope and Anchor, unless it's had a name change in the last few years.

Quoted from 123614

That would be The Hope and Anchor, unless it's had a name change in the last few years.

100%

Quoted from 123614

That would be The Hope and Anchor, unless it's had a name change in the last few years.

If they did end up there they could rename the pub ..

No Hope and W@nkers

Big game today in Brigg , apparently Scunny are going to take over the Hawthorns..... 😂😂😂😂

Quoted from Titty

This is Bradley Guest, he is a vicious convicted drug dealing racist that has recently been sacked from a school.

For the record Bradley my reference to Vermin was directed at Swann.

Is all you have done in the last few days is attack me on here, so piecing this together with the actual character you are you are the first and hopefully last person I personally will be banning from GP.

I'm not sure Mr David can ban someone from a stadium he's banned from himself?

The club reverend has now posted on the facebook page urging Hilton and Swann to sort things out .

Quoted from gtfc98

I'm not sure Mr David can ban someone from a stadium he's banned from himself?

I didn't think he owned the stadium? How can he ban someone from a stadium he doesn't own? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Quoted from 123614

I didn't think he owned the stadium? How can he ban someone from a stadium he doesn't own? Correct me if I'm wrong.

That was my point. He doesn't just not own the stadium, he's being actively evicted from it.

Quoted from gtfc98

That was my point. He doesn't just not own the stadium, he's being actively evicted from it.

I think Swann still owns the training ground too, so it looks like they will have nowhere to play or train.

Quoted from moosey_club

If they did end up there they could rename the pub ..

No Hope and W@nkers

Hahaha nice play on words there

Quoted from RonMariner

I think Swann still owns the training ground too, so it looks like they will have nowhere to play or train.

Think he’s got his Lego bricks out now building the new facilities

Just seen the scunny army making there way to Brigg Town for a friendly this afternoon, the local traffic warden has been sent to keep order, or even maybe a chance to play.

Well a lot of their fans still think they will be playing at GP, AND that they will have a new stadium within 2 years.

They maybe going to grab their seat for the new season
, still not confirmed where they’ll be playing this coming season.

Scunny drew 2-2 after being 2 up today…messge from my scunny supporting mate said…

“Typical, 2 up and copulated it. Game abandoned/terminated for a medical issue…if someone hadn’t died we’d definitely have won’

I admire his optimism…

Quoted from 123614

Well a lot of their fans still think they will be playing at GP, AND that they will have a new stadium within 2 years.

*20 months now *

Quoted from 123614

Well a lot of their fans still think they will be playing at GP, AND that they will have a new stadium within 2 years.

I looked on the iron bru site and this guy had put something like
"Just had a look on the council website and we still haven't applied for planning permission for the new stadium - we really need to get a move on for it to be built by summer 2025"

The reply really made me laugh

"Yeah I'm overrun with unicorns here mate, so I'm banging them out half price - how many do you want?"

LOL

Quoted from toontown

I looked on the iron bru site and this guy had put something like
"Just had a look on the council website and we still haven't applied for planning permission for the new stadium - we really need to get a move on for it to be built by summer 2025"

The reply really made me laugh

"Yeah I'm overrun with unicorns here mate, so I'm banging them out half price - how many do you want?"

LOL

I'm still waiting for our new ground after it was announced in 1995.

I met this girl at the weekend and took her home to meet my dad. He whispered to me, "Where did you get her from son? She's cross-eyed, bow-legged, and she's got no teeth!"

I replied Scunthorpe.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I met this girl at the weekend and took her home to meet my dad. He whispered to me, "Where did you get her from son? She's cross-eyed, bow-legged, and she's got no teeth!"

I replied Scunthorpe.

Don’t give up the day job 🤨

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I met this girl at the weekend and took her home to meet my dad. He whispered to me, "Where did you get her from son? She's cross-eyed, bow-legged, and she's got no teeth!"

I replied Scunthorpe.

Have you been to 1970 this weekend?

Quoted from supertown

Don’t give up the day job 🤨

No problem.

Don’t forget to cash the giro and buy the fags for the Mrs.

Quoted from supertown

Don’t give up the day job 🤨

No problem.

Don’t forget to cash the giro and buy the fags for the Mrs.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

No problem.

Don’t forget to cash the giro and buy the fags for the Mrs.

The obvious conclusion to draw from the fact that he wasn't impressed with your joke is that he's on the dole.

Quoted from mariner91

The obvious conclusion to draw from the fact that he wasn't impressed with your joke is that he's on the dole.

No worries, don’t forget your giro as well. Don’t want the electric going off and not be able to respond.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

No worries, don’t forget your giro as well. Don’t want the electric going off and not be able to respond.

Thanks mate, wouldn't want to miss your next rib-tickler.

There is a segment on The Price Of Football podcast today about our neighbours plight if anyone requires some light Monday listening .

Quoted from mariner91

Thanks mate, wouldn't want to miss your next rib-tickler.

I missed his first.

That facebook page of their's is not the full shilling .

Some sort of cult to Mr David

And now posting pictures of Glanford Park , saying how amazing it looks and that it's 'ready for the new season ' .

Do they not realise they will probably start the season at Ilkeston Town ? and that's the best case scenario .

Still think the club in it's current format probably goes , does anyone with any sense of reality think any different ?

Their first scheduled home psf at Glanford Park is still twelve days away (Donny on Sat 22nd July).
Anything can happen between now and then ........ what will happen ? ...... who knows, but I am going with the scenario that they will be playing somewhere else.

Quoted from tintowner

Their first scheduled home psf at Glanford Park is still twelve days away (Donny on Sat 22nd July).
Anything can happen between now and then ........ what will happen ? ...... who knows, but I am going with the scenario that they will be playing somewhere else.

Can't see any of the legal action quoted by Swann happening that fast, if he has indeed started proceedings and not just bluffing, then could take months I would think.

Their accounts have been published ,grim reading - a key point in the text is that Mr David plans to pay off debts with loans .

Maybe that's another one of his 'ideas'
Pay off a debt by creating another one.

He's sinking , they are sinking , whether the legal action drags on or not , there will only be one winner when it comes to the ground and it won't be Mr David .

Ilkeston Iron is a very real possibility , i'm certain of that ; their only hope is Elliott & Sharp or some sort of Phoenix club .

I realy cannot see them starting the season . Surley the league have picked up on what is happining and will be looking for proof that they can sustain a full season and not by just asking this mr what ever his name is this week

Hilton/White/Premier Inn issues a statement really going after Irn Bru website, calling our fans on Thursday/Friday…Monday rolls around and Irn Bru are sponsoring one of their marquee signings…

Another day at normal SUFC…

Quoted from aldi_01

Hilton/White/Premier Inn issues a statement really going after Irn Bru website, calling our fans on Thursday/Friday…Monday rolls around and Irn Bru are sponsoring one of their marquee signings…

Another day at normal SUFC…

Scunny’s new marquee signing:

No flipping way they need that many seats…

Quoted from aldi_01

No flipping way they need that many seats…

That’s just for their new directors on their board.

Quoted from Mappers

Their accounts have been published ,grim reading - a key point in the text is that Mr David plans to pay off debts with loans .

Maybe that's another one of his 'ideas'
Pay off a debt by creating another one.

He's sinking , they are sinking , whether the legal action drags on or not , there will only be one winner when it comes to the ground and it won't be Mr David .

Ilkeston Iron is a very real possibility , i'm certain of that ; their only hope is Elliott & Sharp or some sort of Phoenix club .

Loans to pay loans = disaster

Quoted from exiledmeggie

No worries, don’t forget your giro as well. Don’t want the electric going off and not be able to respond.

If you want to engage in a battle of wits, first make sure you have some ammunition.

Quoted from supertown

Loans to pay loans = disaster

Unfortunately I think most of top flight football works like that apart from the oil funded owners. Man Utd a classic example I think.
Maybe they think their rightful place is amongst Europe's elite so are setting up accordingly 🤔

Quoted from Mappers

Their accounts have been published ,grim reading - a key point in the text is that Mr David plans to pay off debts with loans .

Maybe that's another one of his 'ideas'
Pay off a debt by creating another one.

I would assume if you are looking to pay off a debt with another debt, you would need an asset, as a form of protection for the loaning company.

Good job they have a ground to use, perhaps they can secure it with that..

Mr Daves had another angry outburst on Facebook at 7am this morning

Quoted from Titty

Mr Daves had another angry outburst on Facebook at 7am this morning

The bloke is unhinged. Posting photos of letters saying he's going to buy the ground for £3m. I could say in buying Wembley for £500m but if I haven't got the money its not gonna go through is it. The blokes a wrong un.

Quoted from Titty

Mr Daves had another angry outburst on Facebook at 7am this morning

I just read it.

He is desperate, and it's starting to become apparent unhinged .

This is from a statement by the Iron Trust.

"So where does that leave us as fans? Mr Swann owns the land on which the club is operating whilst Mr Hilton owns the club. Mr Hilton says he has a lease enabling the club to use GP whilst Mr Swann contests that. We know that there is currently no lease registered at the Land Registry and so we are unable to confirm what arrangements are in place."

So what does this mean re SUFC playing at Glanford Park?

Quoted from 123614

This is from a statement by the Iron Trust.

"So where does that leave us as fans? Mr Swann owns the land on which the club is operating whilst Mr Hilton owns the club. Mr Hilton says he has a lease enabling the club to use GP whilst Mr Swann contests that. We know that there is currently no lease registered at the Land Registry and so we are unable to confirm what arrangements are in place."

So what does this mean re SUFC playing at Glanford Park?

This

Can they even play there ?

Quoted from Mappers

This

Can they even play there ?

They have a home friendly coming up v Donny on 22nd - where that game is played will be indicative of what the situation really is! Their website says it will be at Glumford Park.

They should be back in League 2 for the opening of their new ground.

Quoted from Mappers

I just read it.

He is desperate, and it's starting to become apparent unhinged .

What's it say?

Quoted from 123614

This is from a statement by the Iron Trust.

"So where does that leave us as fans? Mr Swann owns the land on which the club is operating whilst Mr Hilton owns the club. Mr Hilton says he has a lease enabling the club to use GP whilst Mr Swann contests that. We know that there is currently no lease registered at the Land Registry and so we are unable to confirm what arrangements are in place."

So what does this mean re SUFC playing at Glanford Park?

If it's not with the Land Registry then I'd suggest that, as per usual it seems, Mr Hilton is talking b0llocks. I can't believe the Scunny fans have been dumb or blind enough to believe this guy. He's not even a convincing con artist!

They are basically a team without a ground . Sunday league status.. But even some sunday league teams have had their own pitches at times ;D

Quoted from cannylad65

They should be back in League 2 for the opening of their new ground.

That gives them a decade or so to build it.

Have to say, now that pre-season has started the whole Scunthorpe scenario is leaving me bored rigid. I want them to survive as a club but I don't give a monkeys where they play, what the bloke is called, who owns what, how much Swan owes and whether anyone has ten bob to buy a season ticket.
Nobody on here knows anything concrete but we've got hundreds of pages of speculation and it's become a huge bore fest. It's time to move on and concentrate on the 23-24 league 2 champions
Stuff em, stuff Hilton, Swan, White, stuff Ilkeston and Glanford Park, stuff Iron Bru, facebook etc. etc.
Come on you mighty Mariners

Dear moderators how long do we give this thread before it can be moved to 'Non Football'

Maybe it's race is run and it should be put in the junk folder,like where they are going.

Just start a new thread 'Club Finances & Basket Case latest' and update as and when there are developments.
Wigand & Reading are among a few clubs that are worth keeping an eye on.

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Just start a new thread 'Club Finances & Basket Case latest' and update as and when there are developments.
Wigand & Reading are among a few clubs that are worth keeping an eye on.

Southend might be going , some sort of deadline this week ,Morecambe are in a mess - they could not even fulfil a fixture last night because they have no players ; big ownership issues there....then there is Crawley and Fleetwood . Probably more.

Quoted from buckstown

Have to say, now that pre-season has started the whole Scunthorpe scenario is leaving me bored rigid. I want them to survive as a club but I don't give a monkeys where they play, what the bloke is called, who owns what, how much Swan owes and whether anyone has ten bob to buy a season ticket.
Nobody on here knows anything concrete but we've got hundreds of pages of speculation and it's become a huge bore fest. It's time to move on and concentrate on the 23-24 league 2 champions
Stuff em, stuff Hilton, Swan, White, stuff Ilkeston and Glanford Park, stuff Iron Bru, facebook etc. etc.
Come on you mighty Mariners

Completely disagree, it’s great fun . Kept me going during the close season and there is more to come

Quoted from Barrattstander

Dear moderators how long do we give this thread before it can be moved to 'Non Football'

Why, it's most definitely Football, and the number of posts shows there is a lot of interest in it? Also, the best is to come yet! You don't have to read it if you don.t like it :)

I think it was a clever line that they won’t be playing the game for much longer. Probably a decent shout!

Quoted from Mappers

Southend might be going , some sort of deadline this week ,Morecambe are in a mess - they could not even fulfil a fixture last night because they have no players ; big ownership issues there....then there is Crawley and Fleetwood . Probably more.

If 2 or more of these clubs who are struggling do fold, either before or during the season, does that mean no relegation for anyone in League 2 as they'll be kicked out/guaranteed bottom?

Quoted from Mappers

Southend might be going , some sort of deadline this week ,Morecambe are in a mess - they could not even fulfil a fixture last night because they have no players ; big ownership issues there....then there is Crawley and Fleetwood . Probably more.

Stockport and Wrexham possibly too if their owners decide to walk away. Leeds’ and Leicester’s owners will Chuck the required ££££ to go straight back up, though at what cost?

It’s been mentioned about football fortune before, but who actually gains the football fortune? From where I see it, it’s just an excuse to pay extortionate wages and the chance for willys hanging out in montecristo stained board rooms

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Stockport and Wrexham possibly too if their owners decide to walk away. Leeds’ and Leicester’s owners will Chuck the required ££££ to go straight back up, though at what cost?

It’s been mentioned about football fortune before, but who actually gains the football fortune? From where I see it, it’s just an excuse to pay extortionate wages and the chance for willys hanging out in montecristo stained board rooms

Yeovil all but went but were taken over by a good local guy .

Cardiff are on their bottom , will struggle this season wage budget cut massively .

Bury & Macclesfield destroyed but now recuperating .

I always wonder if sometime soon the game will implode , especially at the lower levels .

Probably loads on the brink or one piece of bad luck away from being in the situation Scunny are now.

We all (the majority ) know what safe hands we are in with Petit and Stockwood ; we all 100% know they would not put the future of the club at risk , but in truth it's a low bar that just knowing your clubs future is secure put's them at a higher standing than a good proportion of owners , when it's something fans should never have to contemplate- that the very existence of their club could come to an end .

It should all be about what goes on ,on the pitch .But sadly these days the whole scope of clubs are coming under the spotlight for all the wrong reasons .

Something needs to change .

Quoted from 123614

Why, it's most definitely Football, and the number of posts shows there is a lot of interest in it? Also, the best is to come yet! You don't have to read it if you don.t like it :)

I have to admit I’m not a Facebook user but my misses is so I was able to go on to the Scunny fans Facebook page using her account and was amazed at the amount of Harse licking going on towards Saint David by the Scunny fans who seem to think he is the best thing to ever happen to Scunny and he is their saviour and anyone who casts doubt upon him is evil. I’m sure they still believe in father xmas and the tooth fairy’s and they are clinging on to a dream that is not going to come true. The harsh reality is they are a 6th tier football team without a ground that they own and sinking fast. UTM

So I questioned whether SUFC had a lease to play at Glanford Park as stated by Mr H. In an earlier statement from The Iron Trust they said they had checked the Land Registry and there was no such lease. So in answer to my question, which wasn't answered by Mr H I received abusive comments from one poster, and a silly Gif posted by Mr H and was then banned from the Forum for asking awkward questions. Not one of the posters on that forum asked the same question! Are they not interested that one of the two parties are lying, does it not bother them that people get banned for asking questions on a public forum. Not once did I use foul language, or insult anyone, even though I was subjected to both of those, just for questioning their 'saviour'. Funny old world.

Quoted from 123614

So I questioned whether SUFC had a lease to play at Glanford Park as stated by Mr H. In an earlier statement from The Iron Trust they said they had checked the Land Registry and there was no such lease. So in answer to my question, which wasn't answered by Mr H I received abusive comments from one poster, and a silly Gif posted by Mr H and was then banned from the Forum for asking awkward questions. Not one of the posters on that forum asked the same question! Are they not interested that one of the two parties are lying, does it not bother them that people get banned for asking questions on a public forum. Not once did I use foul language, or insult anyone, even though I was subjected to both of those, just for questioning their 'saviour'. Funny old world.

Bulshitters & people who want to see something that's not there don't take important questions and facts well .

Never more evident than that page .

Their first 11 are playing Winterton tonight .... 0-0 after 55 mins . Not bad ....

Sorry my bad , got it wrong ... They're losing

Having checked out their Facebook page it looks a bit like a cult, really weird that there is such a love in for someone who has diddly squat evidence of jack excrement.

Get a load of the Winterton team sheet. If you’re wondering, “L. Ridley” is indeed Lee Ridley, formerly of this parish and now at the ripe old age of 41. Scunny 1-0 down with 5 minutes remaining.

Tweet 1678825869735784455 will appear here...

Is that des walker at No 14

Tweet 1678861923582980097 will appear here...

Looooolll!

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Is that des walker at No 14

It’s his dad.

Quoted from 123614

So I questioned whether SUFC had a lease to play at Glanford Park as stated by Mr H. In an earlier statement from The Iron Trust they said they had checked the Land Registry and there was no such lease. So in answer to my question, which wasn't answered by Mr H I received abusive comments from one poster, and a silly Gif posted by Mr H and was then banned from the Forum for asking awkward questions. Not one of the posters on that forum asked the same question! Are they not interested that one of the two parties are lying, does it not bother them that people get banned for asking questions on a public forum. Not once did I use foul language, or insult anyone, even though I was subjected to both of those, just for questioning their 'saviour'. Funny old world.

They don't. It's approved chat only on there now, no dissent is allowed. They react with fury at Iron Bru, because it's an independent forum where dissent is allowed. They act like a cult and it's rather tiresome. They abuse anyone daring to question; I know of at least one person on there who has been threatened because he's sceptical of Hilton, yet they will turn it round and make out you're the toxic one for being negative. Hilton was on there today whining about the Trust needing to have gratitude for what he's done, because of a statement where they urged him and Swann to sort things out. He needs to grow a thicker skin.

I am struggling to see what world they're living in, because it doesn't matter what signings we make if we have no ground and are evicted. Regardless of who they blame on that, Hilton's hardly a saviour if he doesn't secure our future in a stadium. And that sparkly new team might not be any good, and pre-season results are a wake-up call. Either to squad quality or the ineptness of Jimmy Dean.

Quoted from Poojah

It’s his dad.

I know we can sometimes give you too much credit, Poojah, but that is a belter!

Quoted from Poojah

Get a load of the Winterton team sheet. If you’re wondering, “L. Ridley” is indeed Lee Ridley, formerly of this parish and now at the ripe old age of 41. Scunny 1-0 down with 5 minutes remaining.

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Is the winning captain Lee Ridley - our former left back?

Quoted from Poojah

Get a load of the Winterton team sheet. If you’re wondering, “L. Ridley” is indeed Lee Ridley, formerly of this parish and now at the ripe old age of 41. Scunny 1-0 down with 5 minutes remaining.

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They’ve got that lad we had on loan in goal

Quoted from Poojah

Get a load of the Winterton team sheet. If you’re wondering, “L. Ridley” is indeed Lee Ridley, formerly of this parish and now at the ripe old age of 41. Scunny 1-0 down with 5 minutes remaining.

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Ex-Iron 69 year old Vince Grimes in midfield there?

Quoted from 123614

So I questioned whether SUFC had a lease to play at Glanford Park as stated by Mr H. In an earlier statement from The Iron Trust they said they had checked the Land Registry and there was no such lease. So in answer to my question, which wasn't answered by Mr H I received abusive comments from one poster, and a silly Gif posted by Mr H and was then banned from the Forum for asking awkward questions. Not one of the posters on that forum asked the same question! Are they not interested that one of the two parties are lying, does it not bother them that people get banned for asking questions on a public forum. Not once did I use foul language, or insult anyone, even though I was subjected to both of those, just for questioning their 'saviour'. Funny old world.

There was a whole load of GTFC fans who up until recently, and the May incident, thought Fenty was the saviour when it was evident to some that he was only ever interested in milking the club to further himself and were often shot down on here.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

They don't. It's approved chat only on there now, no dissent is allowed. They react with fury at Iron Bru, because it's an independent forum where dissent is allowed. They act like a cult and it's rather tiresome. They abuse anyone daring to question; I know of at least one person on there who has been threatened because he's sceptical of Hilton, yet they will turn it round and make out you're the toxic one for being negative. Hilton was on there today whining about the Trust needing to have gratitude for what he's done, because of a statement where they urged him and Swann to sort things out. He needs to grow a thicker skin.

I am struggling to see what world they're living in, because it doesn't matter what signings we make if we have no ground and are evicted. Regardless of who they blame on that, Hilton's hardly a saviour if he doesn't secure our future in a stadium. And that sparkly new team might not be any good, and pre-season results are a wake-up call. Either to squad quality or the ineptness of Jimmy Dean.

On Jimmy Dean, he's an absolute nobody who, up until a few months ago, has only ever managed part-time footballers and now he's managing some players who have had a decent career. It's a huge difference managing professional footballers as opposed to plumbers, builders and salesmen.

I wonder what off field incident prevented them getting the draw or even a win this evening ?

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Looooolll!

Lee Ridley was decidedly slow 13 years ago, so I can only imagine how quickly he'll move these days. That's a terrible result for Scunny, but the players are probably getting a bit worried about how secure their contracts will be, given all that is going on at present.

It's a bad time for the Scunny fans to be falling out with each other given that they'll most likely be needing to form a Phoenix club sooner, rather than later.

As questions abound regarding the Scunthorpe owner’s relationship with his club’s head coach, and members of the Winterton playing staff, David Hilton issues his latest statement:

“Jimmy Dean is not my lover
He’s just a bloke who sold me some crack and a bong
Lee Ridley’s not my son”

Ridley was running in treacle 13 years ago, he must be virtually stationary these days. You'd have to be really quite shite to lose to a side with a 41 year old Lee Ridley in it.

Ridley can't have lost pace with age as he never had it to lose.

He's probably the same pace now as he was 10 years ago.

Maybe even 20 years. I didn't realise he was still in his 20s when he played for us - I thought he was on his last legs even then!

Quoted from Maringer

Maybe even 20 years. I didn't realise he was still in his 20s when he played for us - I thought he was on his last legs even then!

Just 13 years ago apparently. Feels like a lifetime ago now.

Fair play to Mr D , he's got all the social media outlets singing to his tune now , including the Iron Bru . So it would appear he has all his ducks lined up at last . Nothing is standing in his way apart from Swann . What can go wrong ?

Whilst any sensible fan knows, pre season isn’t really a measure of how well one’s season will pan out, scunny have struggled in both games having made, what they consider to be good signings.

There’s a genuine confusion as to where they’ll play Donnie and the Hilton/Swann saga will continue, my understanding is the National League have gotten involved now so at some point both are gonna actually have to behave like adults and do things properly.

Swann is a girl private, Hilton is a conman. Not a great set of credentials for an amicable sale of a football club which, in truth means nothing to either of them but their bank balance and ego.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

There was a whole load of GTFC fans who up until recently, and the May incident, thought Fenty was the saviour when it was evident to some that he was only ever interested in milking the club to further himself and were often shot down on here.

The Fenty comparison is unfair on Fenty.

For all his foibles, Fenty was merely obsessed with the balance sheet, it could have been a case of lack of due diligence with Alex May, it would be in keeping with some of his managerial appointments if he'd simply not bothered to check May's background. Not excusing it by any stretch but offering an alternative explanation.

Fenty would never have let us end up in a situation akin to Scunny and/or Southend, he did find the capital to keep us going and proceeded to make series of appalling decisions, fall out with absolutely everyone, make a succession of terrible managerial appointments and then blackmail the Trust into giving up shares because he was such a control freak.

I honestly believe he had the best intentions of Grimsby Town at heart but was just manifestly ill equipped to run the club to any kind of professional standard.

Quoted from It Bites

Fair play to Mr D , he's got all the social media outlets singing to his tune now , including the Iron Bru . So it would appear he has all his ducks lined up at last . Nothing is standing in his way apart from Swann . What can go wrong ?

To be fair to the Bru admin, he is probably still sceptical of some thing deep down (unless he has seen evidence to the contrary). He's just agreed to a more amicable relationship between them both.

Quoted from Mariner_09

The Fenty comparison is unfair on Fenty.

For all his foibles, Fenty was merely obsessed with the balance sheet, it could have been a case of lack of due diligence with Alex May, it would be in keeping with some of his managerial appointments if he'd simply not bothered to check May's background. Not excusing it by any stretch but offering an alternative explanation.

Fenty would never have let us end up in a situation akin to Scunny and/or Southend, he did find the capital to keep us going and proceeded to make series of appalling decisions, fall out with absolutely everyone, make a succession of terrible managerial appointments and then blackmail the Trust into giving up shares because he was such a control freak.

I honestly believe he had the best intentions of Grimsby Town at heart but was just manifestly ill equipped to run the club to any kind of professional standard.

I'm almost coughing up a fur ball writing this but...

You're right. He was a Town supporter and came from Grimsby with deep roots in the Town. The comparison to Hilton or Swann is unfair.

But we're so much better off without him!

Quoted from Mariner_09

The Fenty comparison is unfair on Fenty.

For all his foibles, Fenty was merely obsessed with the balance sheet, it could have been a case of lack of due diligence with Alex May, it would be in keeping with some of his managerial appointments if he'd simply not bothered to check May's background. Not excusing it by any stretch but offering an alternative explanation.

Fenty would never have let us end up in a situation akin to Scunny and/or Southend, he did find the capital to keep us going and proceeded to make series of appalling decisions, fall out with absolutely everyone, make a succession of terrible managerial appointments and then blackmail the Trust into giving up shares because he was such a control freak.

I honestly believe he had the best intentions of Grimsby Town at heart but was just manifestly ill equipped to run the club to any kind of professional standard.

He started off with the right intentions ,but seemingly they dissipated along with his moral obligation (in his own words ) to be a 'good custodian' .

He was good at running a frozen fish business , very bad at running a football club as our various current discussions show .

He was not as bad as quite a few current owners .

But it's an extremely low bar.

Ah y'see I always thought Fenty had the best interest of Town at heart (in his warped interpretation of it).

But that May saga showed him up.  We can argue a lack of due diligence, perhaps a bit of naivety and even damned foolishness.  However it doesn't wash with me.  He was oh so happy to call out Schutes and co. as tyre kickers and question their ability to raise funds, yet just believed what May told him?  Nah, he knew.

Schutes talked about regeneration of the Town, Stockwood and Pettit were named as partners before Schutes departed.  Their reputations and portfolio were easy enough to research.  At absolute face value their interest was for the good of the club.  Why wouldn't he take that but be happy to get into bed on face value with someone who had no prior or even loose link to the club?

Let's not forget the only reason he sold to 1878 was because he needed to.  Not because he wanted to.

Quoted from Mariner_09

The Fenty comparison is unfair on Fenty.

For all his foibles, Fenty was merely obsessed with the balance sheet, it could have been a case of lack of due diligence with Alex May, it would be in keeping with some of his managerial appointments if he'd simply not bothered to check May's background. Not excusing it by any stretch but offering an alternative explanation.

Fenty would never have let us end up in a situation akin to Scunny and/or Southend, he did find the capital to keep us going and proceeded to make series of appalling decisions, fall out with absolutely everyone, make a succession of terrible managerial appointments and then blackmail the Trust into giving up shares because he was such a control freak.

I honestly believe he had the best intentions of Grimsby Town at heart but was just manifestly ill equipped to run the club to any kind of professional standard.

Agree completely - inflated ego coupled with incompetence.
Not in Swann’s league…

Quoted from Mariner_09

The Fenty comparison is unfair on Fenty.

For all his foibles, Fenty was merely obsessed with the balance sheet, it could have been a case of lack of due diligence with Alex May, it would be in keeping with some of his managerial appointments if he'd simply not bothered to check May's background. Not excusing it by any stretch but offering an alternative explanation.

Fenty would never have let us end up in a situation akin to Scunny and/or Southend, he did find the capital to keep us going and proceeded to make series of appalling decisions, fall out with absolutely everyone, make a succession of terrible managerial appointments and then blackmail the Trust into giving up shares because he was such a control freak.

I honestly believe he had the best intentions of Grimsby Town at heart but was just manifestly ill equipped to run the club to any kind of professional standard.

Can't agree with this to be honest. He wanted back every single penny he'd put in to the club meaning it had cost him nothing to run the club in to the ground and devalue it enormously over almost 20 years. On top of that he got generous pension contributions from the club and made a profit by selling the shares he coerced the Trust into giving to him. I think he had enough feeling for the club to not do what Swann has done but ultimately after being a total failure as custodian, he still wanted back every penny and more. Money which could have been used to rectify some of the huge infrastructure issues he'd created. I seem to recall his argument was that the new owners were wealthy people as though that excused his greed. That's before we get in to the Alex May saga but let's just say nobody with purely innocent and innocuous intentions would dream of going in to business with such an individual. Particularly a business or entity that you supposedly care about.

Nope, history will not be kind to John Sheldon Fenty. Ultimately he was a terrible owner who still cared far more for lining his own pocket than he did the club. He wasn't a criminal and conman like Hilton appears to be and is less of a cünt than Swann but his greed and arrogance almost ruined this club and will almost certainly be viewed as the worst period in the club's history.

Quoted from mariner91

Ridley was running in treacle 13 years ago, he must be virtually stationary these days. You'd have to be really quite shite to lose to a side with a 41 year old Lee Ridley in it.

I've played cricket against him a couple of times this year and he looks fitter now than when he played for us

Quoted from Mariner_09

The Fenty comparison is unfair on Fenty.

For all his foibles, Fenty was merely obsessed with the balance sheet, it could have been a case of lack of due diligence with Alex May, it would be in keeping with some of his managerial appointments if he'd simply not bothered to check May's background. Not excusing it by any stretch but offering an alternative explanation.

Fenty would never have let us end up in a situation akin to Scunny and/or Southend, he did find the capital to keep us going and proceeded to make series of appalling decisions, fall out with absolutely everyone, make a succession of terrible managerial appointments and then blackmail the Trust into giving up shares because he was such a control freak.

I honestly believe he had the best intentions of Grimsby Town at heart but was just manifestly ill equipped to run the club to any kind of professional standard.

Everyone’s entitled to an opinion and I recognise you’re trying to offer some balance but if anyone genuinely believes that last paragraph I’d imagine they’re still wearing their Conoco hat with excitement.

Even the way Fenty obtained the club was merely for his own benefit, the constant need to be involved in key moments, what about the Orange?

Then we get to Alex May. If anyone ever wanted proof that Fenty didn’t actually care about GTFC, that was it.

We can go on but it’s fair to say, that whilst we didn’t end up in the mire quite as deep as Scunny, it doesn’t excuse it or make it ok…

Man who’s incompetence took us to our lowest ebb (twice!) wasn’t that bad.

Quoted from aldi_01

Everyone’s entitled to an opinion and I recognise you’re trying to offer some balance but if anyone genuinely believes that last paragraph I’d imagine they’re still wearing their Conoco hat with excitement.

Even the way Fenty obtained the club was merely for his own benefit, the constant need to be involved in key moments, what about the Orange?

Then we get to Alex May. If anyone ever wanted proof that Fenty didn’t actually care about GTFC, that was it.

We can go on but it’s fair to say, that whilst we didn’t end up in the mire quite as deep as Scunny, it doesn’t excuse it or make it ok…

Spot on. And that’s why we are all watching this excruciating Scunthorpe car crash with such interest. It’s a ‘there but for the grace of god’ situation. Albeit, and with apologies to their handful of clued-up fans, a lot funnier!

Quoted from jamesgtfc

On Jimmy Dean, he's an absolute nobody who, up until a few months ago, has only ever managed part-time footballers and now he's managing some players who have had a decent career. It's a huge difference managing professional footballers as opposed to plumbers, builders and salesmen.

Someone under the name James Swann has posted this word for word on the Scunny Facebook group.

My name is not James Swann 😂

I honestly can't believe that people still defend Fenty.
I will give you an example of the type of day to day.
I had reason to go to the Club with a view to selling them a very good heating product .
I had to go through Nick Dale the then stadium manager.He had all the details asked the cost which he was given .Took one look and said ha its too expensive and you can't beat free.He then proceeded to try and tell us JF was an engineer and his cool energy product would be better.Que my surprise sometime later when I saw a cool energy bill a lot more than we quoted on the clubs accounts .Not bad for free Nick I hasten to add JF wasn't involved in the meeting himself so ????

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Someone under the name James Swann has posted this word for word on the Scunny Facebook group.

My name is not James Swann 😂

So which is it ? Town or Scunny? You can't have both 😂😂😂

Quoted from 123614

So I questioned whether SUFC had a lease to play at Glanford Park as stated by Mr H. In an earlier statement from The Iron Trust they said they had checked the Land Registry and there was no such lease. So in answer to my question, which wasn't answered by Mr H I received abusive comments from one poster, and a silly Gif posted by Mr H and was then banned from the Forum for asking awkward questions. Not one of the posters on that forum asked the same question! Are they not interested that one of the two parties are lying, does it not bother them that people get banned for asking questions on a public forum. Not once did I use foul language, or insult anyone, even though I was subjected to both of those, just for questioning their 'saviour'. Funny old world.

Denialism:- the practice of denying the existence, truth, or validity of something despite proof or strong evidence that it is real, true, or valid.

SUFC will be a lecture topic in some Psychology lectures in the future.

Quoted from mariner91

Can't agree with this to be honest. He wanted back every single penny he'd put in to the club meaning it had cost him nothing to run the club in to the ground and devalue it enormously over almost 20 years. On top of that he got generous pension contributions from the club and made a profit by selling the shares he coerced the Trust into giving to him. I think he had enough feeling for the club to not do what Swann has done but ultimately after being a total failure as custodian, he still wanted back every penny and more. Money which could have been used to rectify some of the huge infrastructure issues he'd created. I seem to recall his argument was that the new owners were wealthy people as though that excused his greed. That's before we get in to the Alex May saga but let's just say nobody with purely innocent and innocuous intentions would dream of going in to business with such an individual. Particularly a business or entity that you supposedly care about.

Nope, history will not be kind to John Sheldon Fenty. Ultimately he was a terrible owner who still cared far more for lining his own pocket than he did the club. He wasn't a criminal and conman like Hilton appears to be and is less of a cünt than Swann but his greed and arrogance almost ruined this club and will almost certainly be viewed as the worst period in the club's history.

Yep. Post of the day.

It's an incredibly tenuous link, but Harry Toffolo has been charged with hundreds of breaches of FA betting rules between 2014-17, during which he spent a season at Scunthorpe.

Probably had a betting syndicate going with Mr Swann...

Swann has now issued a possession order against Hilton and the club for Glanford Park .

Quoted from Mappers

Swann has now issued a possession order against Hilton and the club for Glanford Park .

https://caseboard.io/cases/4fba849c-6555-4b9a-8d07-b6bb74d0b054

Quoted from Poojah

https://caseboard.io/cases/4fba849c-6555-4b9a-8d07-b6bb74d0b054

I doubt Hilton has the money , and he will be blown out the water if it actually gets to court .

Which leaves Scunthorpe Utd in the perilous position of nowhere to play and no tangible assets ; much like the majority of 'us cods' predicted .

Ilkeston Town or worse awaits .

Will the NL let them start the season if there is uncertainty whether they can even finish it?

Quoted from LH

Man who’s incompetence took us to our lowest ebb (twice!) wasn’t that bad.

** 3 times if not for Luton **

Quoted from Poojah

https://caseboard.io/cases/4fba849c-6555-4b9a-8d07-b6bb74d0b054

Ok so that’s SUFC probably out on their ear in this universe, what’s happening in the parallel universe of the Scunny Utd Fan Group on Facebook

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Ok so that’s SUFC probably out on their ear in this universe, what’s happening in the parallel universe of the Scunny Utd Fan Group on Facebook

Well , they've got a 99 year lease and don't have to pay any rent till the club is sustainable. I think Mr D may of pulled a fast one over Mr S . This is gonna get messy

Quoted from It Bites

Well , they've got a 99 year lease and don't have to pay any rent till the club is sustainable. I think Mr D may of pulled a fast one over Mr S . This is gonna get messy

Why would Mr Dave offer 20k a month rent if he could just get it for free?

As daft as Swann is ,with the wealth behind him I can't imagine he did not go through some pretty tight legals to make sure the deal was watertight and he got his 3 million quid .

I think it will be a mess and they will either go or end up at Ilkeston .

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Ok so that’s SUFC probably out on their ear in this universe, what’s happening in the parallel universe of the Scunny Utd Fan Group on Facebook

The reality is that this is where things unravel for Scunny very, very quickly. I'm no expert on how long it takes to execute a possession order; I know that in a residential context sitting tenants can be difficult to remove, however regardless of that the National League is going to want a number of assurances - high up the list, where they're going to play.

At this stage it looks as though the two most likely scenarios are that either Swann regains possession of Glanford Park swiftly, or a slow legal battle ensues. In either scenario it's unlikely that the National League would be satisfied that the club will be able to host its home games there this season, and so Hilton would have to play his "plan b", this other, non-league ground that he has supposedly done a deal for the club to play at as a last resort.

The huge question mark of course is where that is. Brigg? Gainsborough? Ilkeston? Wherever it may be, the club stands to lose a substantial chunk of commercial income and then of course, what happens to the season ticket money the club has taken on the premise their games would be taking place at Glanford Park? In the worst case scenario, the club could be playing over an hour away from Scunthorpe, so even if the club's supporters opted not to request a refund there is going to be a huge drop in matchday income - and what other income do you realistically have in the sixth tier?

And all this on the back of signings which on the surface look impressive; almost too impressive for a club at their level and in their predicament. Is Cal Roberts there for the scenic backdrop of the town's steel factories, glistening resplendently in Scunthorpe’s coveted balmy microclimate? They almost certainly have made contractual commitments that are above their organic financial capabilities, and that's before their exile from their home ground and home town.

And then we have a league body whom, despite their known incompetencies, are notorious for suffering no fools and taking no prisoners when it comes to kicking badly run clubs and their dodgy owners out of the football pyramid. Darlington, Chester, Macclesfield, to name just three. They'll need to prove they have the financial chops to complete the season, all of the above taken into account. I suspect they cannot.

This news, while predictable, feels like end of the road stuff for Scunthorpe United. At best, this is the beginning of the end. Good job their plucky supporters have got that phoenix club fired up and ready to go when the inevitable comes home to roost...

Can somebody just post all the lies and discrepancies David Hilton, David White or whatever he calls himself today has told please?

I am losing track!

Quoted from Poojah

The reality is that this is where things unravel for Scunny very, very quickly. I'm no expert on how long it takes to execute a possession order; I know that in a residential context sitting tenants can be difficult to remove, however regardless of that the National League is going to want a number of assurances - high up the list, where they're going to play.

At this stage it looks as though the two most likely scenarios are that either Swann regains possession of Glanford Park swiftly, or a slow legal battle ensues. In either scenario it's unlikely that the National League would be satisfied that the club will be able to host its home games there this season, and so Hilton would have to play his "plan b", this other, non-league ground that he has supposedly done a deal for the club to play at as a last resort.

The huge question mark of course is where that is. Brigg? Gainsborough? Ilkeston? Wherever it may be, the club stands to lose a substantial chunk of commercial income and then of course, what happens to the season ticket money the club has taken on the premise their games would be taking place at Glanford Park? In the worst case scenario, the club could be playing over an hour away from Scunthorpe, so even if the club's supporters opted not to request a refund there is going to be a huge drop in matchday income - and what other income do you realistically have in the sixth tier?

And all this on the back of signings which on the surface look impressive; almost too impressive for a club at their level and in their predicament. Is Cal Roberts there for the scenic backdrop of the town's steel factories, glistening resplendently in the town's balmy microclimate? They almost certainly have made contractual commitments that are above their organic financial capabilities, and that's before their exile from their home ground and home town.

And then we have a league body whom, despite their known incompetencies, are notorious for suffering no fools and taking no prisoners when it comes to kicking badly run clubs and their dodgy owners out of the football pyramid. Darlington, Chester, Macclesfield, to name just three. They'll need to prove they have the financial chops to complete the season, all of the above taken into account. I suspect they cannot.

This news, while predictable, feels like end of the road stuff for Scunthorpe United. At best, this is the beginning of the end. Good job their plucky supporters have got that phoenix club fired up and ready to go when the inevitable comes home to roost...

Yep and any two bit doddering old country solicitor on the verge of retirement could have taken one look at the scenario and come to that conclusion the moment DH didn’t complete on the deal to buy the ground. Yet the fans - some of whom must have a basic legal brain - accountants surveyors other professional seem generally to be deluded. Weird.

Do Scunny’s proposed home fixtures line up with Ilkeston’s? I can only assume there’s a 50% chance they will or won’t. Either way, sounds like the NL will think it’s a bit messy to approve a ground share this late….

Quoted from Heisenberg

Do Scunny’s proposed home fixtures line up with Ilkeston’s? I can only assume there’s a 50% chance they will or won’t. Either way, sounds like the NL will think it’s a bit messy to approve a ground share this late….

We will find out tomorrow, that's when the Northern Premier, Southern Premier etc release their fixtures...

Quoted from Heisenberg

Do Scunny’s proposed home fixtures line up with Ilkeston’s? I can only assume there’s a 50% chance they will or won’t. Either way, sounds like the NL will think it’s a bit messy to approve a ground share this late….

Mr David said a while back he's got the back up plan sorted

So Ilkeston in all probability was the plan as soon as he realised the magic ticket scheme was a no go to offset the cost of purchase , or at least make up a substantial shortfall .Why else would he have tried to move 'all operations ' apart from matchdays over there ? if they had not pushed back no doubt it would have happened a bit quicker.

The fact he’s always claimed he had a plan whilst clearly having little confidence in the actual possibility of playing at GP.

He’s almost primed everyone that it’s coming and spun it to make him appear proactive and with the clubs interests at heart…he hasn’t.

Swann clearly has little faith in the money ever materialising and this will likely prove his thinking. Hilton has set everything up so he can appear like he’s got a plan, thr cash and vision but in reality he’s got nothing but dirty money, an ego and absolutely zero idea how to run a real football team…

Back in April, someone on IrunBru/Blast Furnace mentioned Land Grab!

I guess the good news is that if SUFC go down the swanny, and a phoenix club has to be created, the fans haven't spent the last few weeks ripping themselves apart into a disunited mess. Ahem.

July 31st will be an interesting date for the diary; will the wages be paid? My guess is that they won't!

So it looks like the worst case scenario, playing at Ilkeston, is the most likely one. As mentioned, how many supporters would they actually get going to games? Are they going to hire coaches to shuttle the fans to and from the game? How many players signed a contract as it was convenient for them to play at GP?

I’m amazed that there isn’t an option closer to home for them, even if it is going cap in hand to Gainsborough/Donny/us/brigg town/winterton etc etc a quick glance on Google maps shows a 75 minute drive to Ilkeston. Will supporters be willing to do that journey as a minimum every week to watch their favoured team??

It all seems a long time ago when their supporters stopped one of their games by invading the pitch when they knew that the Sh1t was about to hit the fan. Their lack of resolve has been eaten up in desperation, in the hope that their almighty saviour (mr travelodge) will perform some sort of trick by gaining the golden ticket to GP. As poojah alludes to, are the clubs staff even going to get paid this month? Has anyone even been looking after the pitch and facilities to make playing at GP an outside chance?

So many questions. Too many questions!! But I fear that for those down the a180, the end is nigh. Especially when their biggest rivals are asking the questions that they are afraid to ask.

If somebody offers you something that is too good to be true then it's a scam.
Unfortunately, the majority of Iron fans appear to have been conned.

You only have read this thread to see what has been promised and what has been achieved by the owners and there are large discrepancies, particularly as to where they will be playing. If I was an Iron fan I'd be seriously thinking about a Phoenix club and trying to do a deal with Swann, as unpalatable as it seems. It's too late for this season but a start for next season and time to get some funds.

Step 7 and 8 fixtures are out at 9am today. It will be interesting to see is scheduled to play away when Scunny are at home.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Step 7 and 8 fixtures are out at 9am today. It will be interesting to see is scheduled to play away when Scunny are at home.

May be the National League will do what the Italians did to Cagliari when they drunk them off. They were made to play at Trieste was couldn’t have been any further away…

Scunny could be made to play at that great Conference North side, Gloucester City…

Quoted from DB

If somebody offers you something that is too good to be true then it's a scam.
Unfortunately, the majority of Iron fans appear to have been conned.

You only have read this thread to see what has been promised and what has been achieved by the owners and there are large discrepancies, particularly as to where they will be playing. If I was an Iron fan I'd be seriously thinking about a Phoenix club and trying to do a deal with Swann, as unpalatable as it seems. It's too late for this season but a start for next season and time to get some funds.

Sharp & Eliott were their answer all along , and I am in no doubt it will end up back in the hands of them (if they still want it , after themselves taking abuse from sections of their fanbase after the takeover fell through ) , and whether the mixture of their capability to raise capital , local businesses and the goodwill of their fanbase can either keep Scunthorpe Utd in some form of it's current guise (doubtful) or a phoenix club .

No one has mentioned the new directors.

Surely they have had to promise cash injections.

Michael Chapman invested £500.

As I know bugga all about business, would someone like to inform me of what happens when a Phoenix Club forms please?

If this happens at SUFC, will DH still own the club, will PS still want £3M for the Stadium and land, who will stump up the money etc.?

Quoted from Mappers

Sharp & Eliott were their answer all along , and I am in no doubt it will end up back in the hands of them (if they still want it , after themselves taking abuse from sections of their fanbase after the takeover fell through ) , and whether the mixture of their capability to raise capital , local businesses and the goodwill of their fanbase can either keep Scunthorpe Utd in some form of it's current guise (doubtful) or a phoenix club .

Yep, of course they were and a phoenix club would have probably been the best long term outcome. They don't have that many fans but they are loyal like ours (more so than Lincoln's I would say), they would have rallied round. What I struggle with is why a good part of the fan base has formed this cult around a property developer with no connections to the town, a track record of directorships with name changes and failed companies, and that didn't hear the alarm bells when he failed to complete on relatively straight forward property transaction to buy the ground and land.

Quoted from cannylad65

No one has mentioned the new directors.

Surely they have had to promise cash injections.

Michael Chapman invested £500.

They will have had to put some capital in .

But it's another of many u-turns

'I will be the sole board member and have full control of all operations '

To
I want a board running the club .

Mr David

Got this link from IronBru, very good piece for those not up to speed or need a refresher on the whole shambles,
https://unexpecteddelirium.substack.com/p/the-long-read-scunthorpe-united-the

There was a long post on their Facebook page, that seems to have disappeared, but the crux of the argument appears to be that PS agreed a deal with DH, for a purchase of the land / rent per month. This deadline has now passed, hence the latest developments.

What has been suggested is that it appears that DH has sublet the land etc to the club. The argument therefore appears to be that PS can't evict the Club, as his agreement was with DH.

IF this is true, this seems strange defensive approach, I have a couple of commercial leases, and they normally cover off the prospect of subletting - requiring the approval of the landlord or worse still no subletting is allowed.

Apologies, fixtures are released at 2pm. It should become pretty clear who the agreement is with after then.

I listened to the Price of Football episode this morning that featured Scunny. I may have misheard it but I'm sure Kieran Maguire said something along the lines of "I've spoken with a few clubs local to Scunny who have given me a nudge as to what's going on there...."

Quoted from 123614

As I know bugga all about business, would someone like to inform me of what happens when a Phoenix Club forms please?

If this happens at SUFC, will DH still own the club, will PS still want £3M for the Stadium and land, who will stump up the money etc.?

Very simplistically, a "phoenix club" is just as the name suggests, a phoenix from the ashes of the old club. In legal and commercial terms, it is a brand new entity with no relationship whatsoever to the original club, other than the original fan base.

The benefit from a Scunthorpe perspective is that it would rid them of the likes of Swann and Hilton and allow them to start afresh, totally debt free. There are of course some obvious drawbacks, not least that they would need to start from the very bottom rung of the ladder in footballing terms. I'm not sure what that would like for Scunny exactly (my knowledge of the league system doesn't extend that far), but realistically something like step 9 or 10, versus step 6 where they sit currently. Realistically though, they would be expected to progress quickly back through those levels given the relative size of their fan base, as several other clubs have done.

Where they would play is less clear. There is no definitive answer as to what happens to a club's ground after its dissolution. In some instances, phoenix clubs have been able to retain their old stadiums - the likes of Halifax, Macclesfield and more recently Bury. Several others haven't - Scarborough, Wimbledon, Darlington. In almost every case though, the circumstances are unique and many nuanced factors contributed to where the future of each club ultimately lay.

In the specific case of Scunthorpe United, given that much of the current mess is centred on the matter of the stadium's ownership, it's almost impossible to see a "Scunthorpe FC" ever playing at Glanford Park. More likely, the current club folds, Glanford Park is sold and redeveloped and the new incarnation of the Iron has to find its own place to play. Scarborough moved to an existing local athletics stadium, Wimbledon shared a ground with Kingstonian and Darlington moved in to the ground of a local rugby club and performed a series of upgrades. There are ways and means of making it work.

Ultimately, the immediate pill Scunny fans have to swallow is a bitter one, but the sooner they do it the better. All but Macclesfield and Bury of the above have recovered to NLN/S level as a minimum, and those two inevitably will given a little bit of time. It's likely that there are no easy answers or solutions, but there are plenty of templates to follow.

The Scunthorpe United we once knew is as good as dead. It may have a pulse, but it's a faint one at best. My only wish for the fans of Scunthorpe United is that they wake up to this fact as soon as possible, and plan for the future. They still have one, it's just going to take a bit of imagination and a lot of gumption.

Quoted from Poojah

Very simplistically, a "phoenix club" is just as the name suggests, a phoenix from the ashes of the old club. In legal and commercial terms, it is a brand new entity with no relationship whatsoever to the original club, other than the original fan base.

The benefit from a Scunthorpe perspective is that it would rid them of the likes of Swann and Hilton and allow them to start afresh, totally debt free. There are of course some obvious drawbacks, not least that they would need to start from the very bottom rung of the ladder in footballing terms. I'm not sure what that would like for Scunny exactly (my knowledge of the league system doesn't extend that far), but realistically something like step 9 or 10, versus step 6 where they sit currently. Realistically though, they would be expected to progress quickly back through those levels given the relative size of their fan base, as several other clubs have done.

Where they would play is less clear. There is no definitive answer as to what happens to a club's ground after its dissolution. In some instances, phoenix clubs have been able to retain their old stadiums - the likes of Halifax, Macclesfield and more recently Bury. Several others haven't - Scarborough, Wimbledon, Darlington. In almost every case though, the circumstances are unique and many nuanced factors contributed to where the future of each club ultimately lay.

In the specific case of Scunthorpe United, given that much of the current mess is centred on the matter of the stadium's ownership, it's almost impossible to see a "Scunthorpe FC" ever playing at Glanford Park. More likely, the current club folds, Glanford Park is sold and redeveloped and the new incarnation of the Iron has to find its own place to play. Scarborough moved to an existing local athletics stadium, Wimbledon shared a ground with Kingstonian and Darlington moved in to the ground of a local rugby club and performed a series of upgrades. There are ways and means of making it work.

Ultimately, the immediate pill Scunny fans have to swallow is a bitter one, but the sooner they do it the better. All but Macclesfield and Bury of the above have recovered to NLN/S level as a minimum, and those two inevitably will given a little bit of time. It's likely that there are no easy answers or solutions, but there are plenty of templates to follow.

The Scunthorpe United we once knew is as good as dead. It may have a pulse, but it's a faint one at best. My only wish for the fans of Scunthorpe United is that they wake up to this fact as soon as possible, and plan for the future. They still have one, it's just going to take a bit of imagination and a lot of gumption.

Your post sums up their situation perfectly. I do feel sorry for the genuine fans but somewhere reality has to kick in and those rose-tinted glasses have to be ditched.

Quoted from MarshMariner

There was a long post on their Facebook page, that seems to have disappeared, but the crux of the argument appears to be that PS agreed a deal with DH, for a purchase of the land / rent per month. This deadline has now passed, hence the latest developments.

What has been suggested is that it appears that DH has sublet the land etc to the club. The argument therefore appears to be that PS can't evict the Club, as his agreement was with DH.

IF this is true, this seems strange defensive approach, I have a couple of commercial leases, and they normally cover off the prospect of subletting - requiring the approval of the landlord or worse still no subletting is allowed.

How can DH sublet Land he doesn't own to the club? Last I read was that he owned the club only, NOT the land or the stadium.!

Quoted from Poojah

Very simplistically, a "phoenix club" is just as the name suggests, a phoenix from the ashes of the old club. In legal and commercial terms, it is a brand new entity with no relationship whatsoever to the original club, other than the original fan base.

The benefit from a Scunthorpe perspective is that it would rid them of the likes of Swann and Hilton and allow them to start afresh, totally debt free. There are of course some obvious drawbacks, not least that they would need to start from the very bottom rung of the ladder in footballing terms. I'm not sure what that would like for Scunny exactly (my knowledge of the league system doesn't extend that far), but realistically something like step 9 or 10, versus step 6 where they sit currently. Realistically though, they would be expected to progress quickly back through those levels given the relative size of their fan base, as several other clubs have done.

Where they would play is less clear. There is no definitive answer as to what happens to a club's ground after its dissolution. In some instances, phoenix clubs have been able to retain their old stadiums - the likes of Halifax, Macclesfield and more recently Bury. Several others haven't - Scarborough, Wimbledon, Darlington. In almost every case though, the circumstances are unique and many nuanced factors contributed to where the future of each club ultimately lay.

In the specific case of Scunthorpe United, given that much of the current mess is centred on the matter of the stadium's ownership, it's almost impossible to see a "Scunthorpe FC" ever playing at Glanford Park. More likely, the current club folds, Glanford Park is sold and redeveloped and the new incarnation of the Iron has to find its own place to play. Scarborough moved to an existing local athletics stadium, Wimbledon shared a ground with Kingstonian and Darlington moved in to the ground of a local rugby club and performed a series of upgrades. There are ways and means of making it work.

Ultimately, the immediate pill Scunny fans have to swallow is a bitter one, but the sooner they do it the better. All but Macclesfield and Bury of the above have recovered to NLN/S level as a minimum, and those two inevitably will given a little bit of time. It's likely that there are no easy answers or solutions, but there are plenty of templates to follow.

The Scunthorpe United we once knew is as good as dead. It may have a pulse, but it's a faint one at best. My only wish for the fans of Scunthorpe United is that they wake up to this fact as soon as possible, and plan for the future. They still have one, it's just going to take a bit of imagination and a lot of gumption.

Thanks very much for the explanation.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I listened to the Price of Football episode this morning that featured Scunny. I may have misheard it but I'm sure Kieran Maguire said something along the lines of "I've spoken with a few clubs local to Scunny who have given me a nudge as to what's going on there...."

That was definitely said on Mondays episode. I haven't listened to todays episode yet which is the official news pod. They record it on Wednesday so I wonder if it was recorded before or after this latest development became public knowledge.

Kieran also said that a lot of information he knows about Scunthorpe can't be said yet, and also said a lot of information will never be able to be said. It's such a sorry mess, and it could easily have been us.

Quoted from 123614

How can DH sublet Land he doesn't own to the club? Last I read was that he owned the club only, NOT the land or the stadium.!

Subletting is letting something out that you let yourself, and is legal in some circumstances.

I've seen a few people talk about Rent2Rent in the housing sector which is basically the same thing. Like anything, if the right contracts are in place, it's fine.

Just because of the size of their fan base, I can't really see any other options than sharing with either Winterton or Brigg if they formed a Phoneix Club. Neither of which have huge capacities, probably 3000 at the very most.

Gainsborough is the closest ground that's capable of meeting their probable capacity demand but would that be seen as too far away? Dunno.

Quoted from HatTrickHero

Got this link from IronBru, very good piece for those not up to speed or need a refresher on the whole shambles,
https://unexpecteddelirium.substack.com/p/the-long-read-scunthorpe-united-the

I wonder if the 'cult' on the Scunny Fans Facebook page will read and inwardly digest this, or just carry on in their hero worship of Mr Hilton?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Subletting is letting something out that you let yourself, and is legal in some circumstances.

I've seen a few people talk about Rent2Rent in the housing sector which is basically the same thing. Like anything, if the right contracts are in place, it's fine.

Well PS doesn't think it's fine. :) Also, he owns SUFC but doesn't own Glanford Park or the land, so how can he sublet anything?

I think that the owners just need to bite the bullet and go and grovel for something like a 3-5 year lease on glumford park. Just so the club can operate again. Hard to do, when it’s in the public eye, but, surely this would be a win win situation? The economy seems to be slowing down so it would give peter Swann a form of income (better than nothing) and it would also give the club a very familiar home.

Quoted from 123614

Well PS doesn't think it's fine. :) Also, he owns SUFC but doesn't own Glanford Park or the land, so how can he sublet anything?

Hilton has either pulled an absolute masterstoke and found a loophole in his terms and conditions or Swann is bang to rights. Whatever it is, the fans will ultimately lose out in this sorry saga.

If you own something, you can't sublet it, you're letting it out. Subletting is where you let something out that you are letting yourself.

Simon Elliott, who proudly told everyone on Twitter that he had seen proof of Hilton's wealth has seemingly gone a bit quiet now.

Tweet 1662590635344289795 will appear here...

Quoted from 123614

I wonder if the 'cult' on the Scunny Fans Facebook page will read and inwardly digest this, or just carry on in their hero worship of Mr Hilton?

They'll carry on. Ive not seen anything like it, usually there are 2 factions and a lot of un-committed/wait-and-see fans on the sidelines. Looking at the Facebook battle of words I'd like to say that Hilton supporters outweigh the Hilton doubters (there are after all NO Swann supporters) by, say, 5 to 1 but it's not even that. Hilton has divided and conquered, it would seem.

It seems a full on attack on Swann and on those with even the slightest concerns over Hilton despite the shenanigans he's carried out.
Bizzarre, though luckily a couple of decent Scunny fans on here and a handful on IronBru do keep me concerned for their future. But it's a strange imbalance of opinion and concern from their fans.

Quoted from 123614

I wonder if the 'cult' on the Scunny Fans Facebook page will read and inwardly digest this, or just carry on in their hero worship of Mr Hilton?

I think that’s a typo

Quoted from AussieMariner

I think that’s a typo

Who put the 'cult' in Scunthorpe? ::)

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Hilton has either pulled an absolute masterstoke and found a loophole in his terms and conditions or Swann is bang to rights. Whatever it is, the fans will ultimately lose out in this sorry saga.

If you own something, you can't sublet it, you're letting it out. Subletting is where you let something out that you are letting yourself.

Simon Elliott, who proudly told everyone on Twitter that he had seen proof of Hilton's wealth has seemingly gone a bit quiet now.

Tweet 1662590635344289795 will appear here...

But is he 'letting' the land or the stadium?

This whole scenario is like a guilty pleasure to follow. I get some have said “so what?”, “screw Scunny” but, come on, what self-respecting football fan can’t be interested by this utterly bizarre story? Having the smoothest pre-season – certainly in my lifetime – over here has probably helped to emphasise the dire nature at Scunny.

I just can’t get over how little resistance there has been from the Scunny fanbase – not just right now with Hilton, but over the last 5-8 years. Is it too simple to say that “hope” is the main culprit? When PS was initially splurging the cash whilst in League 1 I don’t recall many questions being asked – blinded by the fact they were recently in the Championship and so desperately wanted to get back there?

I still can’t fathom why there was so little resistance to PS buying up Glanford Park. Alarm bells were even going off on here at the time.

Then there’s this weird cultish relationship currently with Hilton and a section of the Scunny fanbase. We have what feels like the quintessential “good owners”, but I don’t think I’ve seen any of our fans as emphatic in their fervour for JS & AP as some of Scunny’s fans have been about backing Hilton – some of them are practically foaming at the mouth with rage at the mere suggestion he does anything wrong, utterly blinded by the faintest bit of hope that their club might survive and come storming back up the leagues.

At this point, if I were a Scunny fan I think I’d rather have had avoided Hilton altogether, allowed PS to kill off the current club at the end of last season and flog Glanford Park (thus forever tainting him as the ultimate Bad Guy) and just started again as a phoenix club. They’d only be starting 3 or 4 leagues below where they are now. It’s the only way I can see them moving on and disassociating themselves from the current cast of conmen which are involved with the club.

Will they still be painting Mr White as a hero when the club goes to Ilkeston or go goes I wonder ?

Quoted from Mappers

Will they still be painting Mr White as a hero when the club goes to Ilkeston or go goes I wonder ?

If/when they fold, many will say "at least he tried" and continue to blame Swann.

Swann carries a large portion of the blame but Hilton has promised so much and backtracked on just about all of it.

On the latest Price of Football, Kieran Maguire suggested that there's stuff happening that the press can't talk about.

The whole thing is dodgier than an 'investigation' by The Sun.

Is there some sort of legal/libel reason Humberside aren't saying/tweeting anything? Tuned in at 1pm to expect some sort of summary at what's going on but nothing. Also haven't seen any tweets from Matt Dean/Olly Turner etc?

Quoted from diehardmariner

On the latest Price of Football, Kieran Maguire suggested that there's stuff happening that the press can't talk about.

The whole thing is dodgier than an 'investigation' by The Sun.

The main thing I have taken from Maguire on this is his paraphrased tweet (you could almost take it as a subtle warning to Scunny fans ) that 'Swann was putting 2 million a year into Scunthorpe , and finding a decent owner under those circumstances is difficult' .

Quoted from mariner chopper

Is there some sort of legal/libel reason Humberside aren't saying/tweeting anything? Tuned in at 1pm to expect some sort of summary at what's going on but nothing. Also haven't seen any tweets from Matt Dean/Olly Turner etc?

Hilton won't talk to them , we covered this a while back - they invited him on many times but rebuffed . Burns asked him on his show quite a few times aswell.

Swann won't go on either, so all you have is the facts we all know anyway so there is not much more that can be said really .

I guess they will cover factual updates as they happen with what information they have .

The only facts we know are that Hilton bought the club, he has signed players and Swann has a court case for the possession of the ground.

The rest is hearsay or gossip.

Quoted from Mappers

Hilton won't talk to them , we covered this a while back - they invited him on many times but rebuffed . Burns asked him on his show quite a few times aswell.

Swann won't go on either, so all you have is the facts we all know anyway so there is not much more that can be said really .

I guess they will cover factual updates as they happen with what information they have .

Media & comms is one of the (very) few areas I actually know anything about, thanks to work. I think it’s safe to say that Hilton has no concept of how to interact with the media in any kind of a professional way. He seems to think he knows what he’s doing – several of his rants have made reference to his willingness to “engage with the fans” – but it’s pathetically obvious that he’s never been involved with a professional sports club before.

If I were Scunny’s media & comms manager (do they even have a media & comms manager anymore?) I’d wake up to my owner’s latest attempt to “engage with the fans” on social media, put my head in my hands and weep gently as he unintentionally makes everything so much worse, and reinforces Scunny’s identity as an absolute basket case of a club.

Quoted from mariner chopper

Is there some sort of legal/libel reason Humberside aren't saying/tweeting anything? Tuned in at 1pm to expect some sort of summary at what's going on but nothing. Also haven't seen any tweets from Matt Dean/Olly Turner etc?

He won't talk to them, but with his alleged dodgy past I imagine they are being rather cautious for their own protection.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

Media & comms is one of the (very) few areas I actually know anything about, thanks to work. I think it’s safe to say that Hilton has no concept of how to interact with the media in any kind of a professional way. He seems to think he knows what he’s doing – several of his rants have made reference to his willingness to “engage with the fans” – but it’s pathetically obvious that he’s never been involved with a professional sports club before.

If I were Scunny’s media & comms manager (do they even have a media & comms manager anymore?) I’d wake up to my owner’s latest attempt to “engage with the fans” on social media, put my head in my hands and weep gently as he unintentionally makes everything so much worse, and reinforces Scunny’s identity as an absolute basket case of a club.

They got rid of most of their backroom staff I think ,so probably not .

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/inside-scunthorpe-uniteds-owner-battle-30440579

Quoted from Mappers

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/inside-scunthorpe-uniteds-owner-battle-30440579

Interest read, backs up my original comments - “Hilton has issued himself a lease, a 7-day periodical lease and we believe that was unlawful and we will contest that. In the agreement, it was stated that he couldn’t sublet or assign anything so it’s pretty straightforward for us.”

Interesting DH acknowledges he is trying to use loopholes to get his way... :-/

Would have been interesting hear what the league said, strange there was no comment from them... :X

Quoted from MarshMariner

Interest read, backs up my original comments - “Hilton has issued himself a lease, a 7-day periodical lease and we believe that was unlawful and we will contest that. In the agreement, it was stated that he couldn’t sublet or assign anything so it’s pretty straightforward for us.”

Interesting DH acknowledges he is trying to use loopholes to get his way... :-/

Would have been interesting hear what the league said, strange there was no comment from them... :X

Probably the same as the council said about the ‘new ground’

Quoted from Mappers

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/inside-scunthorpe-uniteds-owner-battle-30440579

Hilton talks a good talk but I'm not convinced at all .

Quoted from Mappers

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/inside-scunthorpe-uniteds-owner-battle-30440579

The arrogance of both is absolutely unbelievable.

Hilton is admitting that Scunny can't stay there, but he's buying himself more time which will allow them to see out the season, and even confidently promises promotion!

Quoted from It Bites

Hilton talks a good talk but I'm not convinced at all .

For me there is absolutely no way that he has the 3m to buy the stadium, or has any intention to do so. Reading between the lines of that interview it's all just delaying tactics. He says he's made a "new offer" but it looks to be the same as the old one, he just says that there can't be a time limit on it. Basically he wants to keep paying Swann 10k a month and keep kicking the can down the road. What a mess!

Quoted from It Bites

Hilton talks a good talk but I'm not convinced at all .

Not for me.. he says too much only to retract his previous comments ;D

Too much bluster... not enough thought!

Quoted from MarshMariner

Interest read, backs up my original comments - “Hilton has issued himself a lease, a 7-day periodical lease and we believe that was unlawful and we will contest that. In the agreement, it was stated that he couldn’t sublet or assign anything so it’s pretty straightforward for us.”

Interesting DH acknowledges he is trying to use loopholes to get his way... :-/

Would have been interesting hear what the league said, strange there was no comment from them... :X

Have we got a resident Fishy lawyer? My legal training is only ancillary to RICS exams years ago, but I’d say subletting to an entity controlled by yourself to create a protected tenancy that is contracted out in the superior Lease will be kicked out by the Court. But the key thing in that article is the mortgage. The mortgagee is not going agree to its security being fettered by a long term lease to a third party controlled entity. Swann is actually being reasonable in this instance. He wants £1.5 million up front to redeem the mortgage by the sound of it, and then will give a Lease for a fixed period to give Hilton time to come up with the rest of the cash. So he’s been willing to negotiate on the £3 million for an immediate sale which should have happened in May - or at least got to exchange of contract by then.

It's nice to be on the outside, looking in. We may have had problems with JSF but never as bad or in this league.

https://www.gi-media.co.uk/2023/05/19/scunthorpe-united-fans-forum/

He offered 20k a month rent back in May not sure how that has dropped 50% since .

Transparent David

Quoted from Mappers

https://www.gi-media.co.uk/2023/05/19/scunthorpe-united-fans-forum/

He offered 20k a month rent back in May not sure how that has dropped 50% since .

Transparent David

Here today gone tomorrow. A bit like most of his comments.

What I take most from that is the fact he is allowing supporters back in that have banning orders.

Not sure how this works, or maybe I’ve misunderstood, but I thought these were issued by the courts

Quoted from Mappers

https://www.gi-media.co.uk/2023/05/19/scunthorpe-united-fans-forum/

He offered 20k a month rent back in May not sure how that has dropped 50% since .

Transparent David

Am I dreaming it or did he say in that article that he has offered to double the rent to £10k per month, which means it's currently £5k?

Absolutely nothing adds up.

3 lies for one on David's special offer ?

One things for sure, Hilton isn't going to be able to argue a good faith defence, not after that article.

The Scunny fans are certainly not interpreting the article like we are....

Will be interesting to see the outcome..

Hilton is a shameless spiv who would steal sweets from a blind child. He’s basically glorifying rule bending and reneging on contractual agreements. The National League need to step in here.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Hilton is a shameless spiv who would steal sweets from a blind child. He’s basically glorifying rule bending and reneging on contractual agreements. The National League need to step in here.

It starting to get good now lol

Quoted from MarshMariner

The Scunny fans are certainly not interpreting the article like we are....

Will be interesting to see the outcome..

The Scunny fans on that facebook page are currently cooing over Mr David after he put another post up .

He has converted a good % of their fanbase through abuse of others and disinformation .

I just wish he would make an appearance on here , it would put the cherry on top .

Quoted from Mappers

The Scunny fans on that facebook page are currently cooing over Mr David after he put another post up .

He has converted a good % of their fanbase through abuse of others and disinformation .

I just wish he would make an appearance on here , it would put the cherry on top .

People on there are definitely lurking here because someone posted one of my posts word for word!

Quoted from Mappers

https://www.gi-media.co.uk/2023/05/19/scunthorpe-united-fans-forum/

He offered 20k a month rent back in May not sure how that has dropped 50% since .

Transparent David

Yes I had noticed that, I read somewhere on their iron bru forum somebody claiming that because the offer of 20k a month was above market value it would make them harder to evict (no idea if that's true) and so was a smart move. If it was a smart move it's no longer considered affordable obviously!

Has he offered an explanation for this halving of his offer in a few weeks?!

The most gobsmacking part of the article is the statement that Scunny incurred losses of £27 million over the last decade. In return for which they achieved three relegations.

Quoted from RonMariner

The most gobsmacking part of the article is the statement that Scunny incurred losses of £27 million over the last decade. In return for which they achieved three relegations.

Yeah , Swann torched 50 million + on Scunthorpe Utd and a gambling addiction .

Can't imagine Mrs Swann will be trusting him with anymore spending money in future .

They are gone Ron ,far far gone .

Quoted from toontown

Yes I had noticed that, I read somewhere on their iron bru forum somebody claiming that because the offer of 20k a month was above market value it would make them harder to evict (no idea if that's true) and so was a smart move. If it was a smart move it's no longer considered affordable obviously!

Has he offered an explanation for this halving of his offer in a few weeks?!

No , there never is an explanation with Mr David .Just onto another of his 'ideas' . The loophole one seems the latest , until next weeks.

Quoted from Mappers

The Scunny fans on that facebook page are currently cooing over Mr David after he put another post up.

Stockholm syndrome.

Actually, probably Axholme syndrome, if you want to get geographical.

Did anyone check out Ilkeston's fixtures?

Point here is. Other clubs will be watching very close to whats going on and this ground share thing for some clubs will be a non starter because Would you trust This Mr whatever his name is this week to pay regularly or at all for the use of their ground Or is he going to be looking for loop holes to get out of paying again. Seems he has tried to get out of most things so far

Quite a few are suggesting Gainsborough, as their fixtures line up favourably with Scunnys.

I don't know about Ilkeston .

Do those Hilton lovers not realise that in all probability they have no tangible assets and whatever happens , the long and short of it is the ground still belongs to Swann ,Hilton just owns their name & badge ?

Have they even got a training ground ?

Quoted from Mappers

Quite a few are suggesting Gainsborough, as their fixtures line up favourably with Scunnys.

I don't know about Ilkeston .

Do those Hilton lovers not realise that in all probability they have no tangible assets and whatever happens , the long and short of it is the ground still belongs to Swann ,Hilton just owns their name & badge ?

Have they even got a training ground ?

I thought I'd read that he was supposed to announce the training ground location a couple of weeks ago ? He seems to answer everyone's questions with promises. Does he own the land that was acquired for the new stadium yet ? I see someone has installed new gates and locks on the entrance. Perhaps squatters are moving in ?

Quoted from denni266

Point here is. Other clubs will be watching very close to whats going on and this ground share thing for some clubs will be a non starter because Would you trust This Mr whatever his name is this week to pay regularly or at all for the use of their ground Or is he going to be looking for loop holes to get out of paying again. Seems he has tried to get out of most things so far

Unless it's Ilkeston, any other club making the agreement needs to be asking for money up front and sticking to those terms.

Quoted from It Bites

I thought I'd read that he was supposed to announce the training ground location a couple of weeks ago ? He seems to answer everyone's questions with promises. Does he own the land that was acquired for the new stadium yet ? I see someone has installed new gates and locks on the entrance. Perhaps squatters are moving in ?

The signs said 'land acquired by Scunthorpe Utd '.

Which I highly doubt , how would they purchase land when they are technically insolvent and owe relatively high amounts to creditors ?

If they were still owing to you ,you would be definately asking for your money if they can afford to purchase a large piece of land .

Mr David

Quoted from Mappers

The signs said 'land acquired by Scunthorpe Utd '.

Which I highly doubt , how would they purchase land when they are technically insolvent and owe relatively high amounts to creditors ?

If they were still owing to you ,you would be definately asking for your money if they can afford to purchase a large piece of land .

Mr David

Strictly speaking acquired doesn’t necessarily mean purchased

Quoted from supertown

Strictly speaking acquired doesn’t necessarily mean purchased

When Hilton said he had acquired Scunthorpe United FC and their stadium, which is £3m he didn't specify that he was accquiring the use of it as a squatter.

Quoted from Mappers

Quite a few are suggesting Gainsborough, as their fixtures line up favourably with Scunnys.

I don't know about Ilkeston .

Do those Hilton lovers not realise that in all probability they have no tangible assets and whatever happens , the long and short of it is the ground still belongs to Swann ,Hilton just owns their name & badge ?

Have they even got a training ground ?

Out of interest, what is the actual value of a 6th tier licence, and what value does the SUFC name/badge/trademark carry? That and their database will be the only things they have of worth I imagine but as the club itself was only worth a 'nominal fee' in Swann's eyes none of it can be worth much surely?

Quoted from Maringer

Stockholm syndrome.

Actually, probably Axholme syndrome, if you want to get geographical.

I want that as a tshirt

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

Out of interest, what is the actual value of a 6th tier licence, and what value does the SUFC name/badge/trademark carry? That and their database will be the only things they have of worth I imagine but as the club itself was only worth a 'nominal fee' in Swann's eyes none of it can be worth much surely?

Based on other clubs that have gone to the wall or have come back as Phoenix clubs (Bury, Maidstone, Macc etc etc) very little beyond the goodwill of local residents and supporters, they're not like a brand that can be used to generate cash elsewhere. And the database of fans is probably not worth much either, it's not very big in marketing terms and represents a group of people with a pretty narrow interest (football in Scunthorpe).

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Based on other clubs that have gone to the wall or have come back as Phoenix clubs (Bury, Maidstone, Macc etc etc) very little beyond the goodwill of local residents and supporters, they're not like a brand that can be used to generate cash elsewhere. And the database of fans is probably not worth much either, it's not very big in marketing terms and represents a group of people with a pretty narrow interest (football in Scunthorpe).

Thanks for the insight - I suppose at the end of the day the actual badge and name are incredibly easy to get around anyway, see FC united of Manchester or AFC Wimbledon etc, so are essentially worthless on their own.

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

Thanks for the insight - I suppose at the end of the day the actual badge and name are incredibly easy to get around anyway, see FC united of Manchester or AFC Wimbledon etc, so are essentially worthless on their own.

You're welcome.

Yes, a brand is only worth something when it's reputation enhances the value of a product (or service) and therefore increases it's chance of selling more items, increasing the price you can ask for it or has some other intrinsic value (safety, green credentials etc). Recently a number of companies have gone to the wall and there is little interest in the company's buildings etc but the brand is sold very quickly because the buyer believes they can use the brand name and not be shackled with the previously failing company - it has just happened with Hunter wellingtons.

But the Scunthorpe Utd brand just doesn't have that worth/value. Putting the name or badge on a shirt will not impact sales outside of a tiny geography and tiny number of people. It's the same with any small football club, nobody will value their brand beyond their supporters and maybe a few locals.

In football it all changes when you are Liverpool or Man U or Arsenal because your brand guarantees worldwide sales, or the brand is Messi or was Beckham. It was always rumoured that PSG weren't that bothered about Beckham as a player but Nike wanted him to sign for them because it would sell huge amounts of shirts.

York seem to be the latest club to try and bankroll their way out of the NL , breaking their transfer record today on someone , will be disclosed later.

I'm not really sure of the backstory their or about their new wealthy owners the Ugla family .

Let's hope it's not another club destined for disaster.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

In football it all changes when you are Liverpool or Man U or Arsenal because your brand guarantees worldwide sales, or the brand is Messi or was Beckham. It was always rumoured that PSG weren't that bothered about Beckham as a player but Nike wanted him to sign for them because it would sell huge amounts of shirts.

Hence this story from a few years ago when Liverpool FC tried to trademark the word "Liverpool", because they know how much the Liverpool brand is worth and were annoyed by non-official merch being sold with the word "Liverpool" on it. Fortunately common sense prevailed as the Intellectual Property Office told them that a football club can't just decide that they own their town/city's place name: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/26/liverpool-fail-in-attempt-to-trademark-the-word-liverpool-football

Quoted from Mappers

York seem to be the latest club to try and bankroll their way out of the NL , breaking their transfer record today on someone , will be disclosed later.

I'm not really sure of the backstory their or about their new wealthy owners the Ugla family .

Let's hope it's not another club destined for disaster.

Matt Uggla's dad pocketed £650m after selling his data company for over £1bn. He is now heavily involved in sustainability.

Matt Uggla is in the property game (red flag) and studied Sports Management at University of Southampton. His mum (separated from his dad) and brother also own York I think.

There are a few red flags and he does things a bit different because he's only 29, but I think the right intentions are there.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Matt Uggla's dad pocketed £650m after selling his data company for over £1bn. He is now heavily involved in sustainability.

Matt Uggla is in the property game (red flag) and studied Sports Management at University of Southampton. His mum (separated from his dad) and brother also own York I think.

There are a few red flags and he does things a bit different because he's only 29, but I think the right intentions are there.

Thanks mate

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Matt Uggla's dad pocketed £650m after selling his data company for over £1bn. He is now heavily involved in sustainability.

Matt Uggla is in the property game (red flag) and studied Sports Management at University of Southampton. His mum (separated from his dad) and brother also own York I think.

There are a few red flags and he does things a bit different because he's only 29, but I think the right intentions are there.

Ugla rumours?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Matt Uggla's dad pocketed £650m after selling his data company for over £1bn. He is now heavily involved in sustainability.

Matt Uggla is in the property game (red flag) and studied Sports Management at University of Southampton. His mum (separated from his dad) and brother also own York I think.

There are a few red flags and he does things a bit different because he's only 29, but I think the right intentions are there.

I think York fans were wary of him at first, his record of being a Guernsey based tax exile who recently tried to buy Yeovil Town FC didn't suggest anything other than an entrepreneur looking for something to invest in rather than any actual connection with the club.

However he has been very clever in getting the fans onboard with his use of social media and willingness to engage at every opportunity and has managed to deflect the disapproval of the fans away from the club's management towards the Trust (who own 49% of the shares) who are now perceived as the stumbling block to York progressing.

Well , Mr David has now fully scrapped their youth setup and academy .

Quoted from Mappers

Well , Mr David has now fully scrapped their youth setup and academy .

Really ? I can't see anything

A couple of sets of parents have put on Twitter space they received an email saying it's closing .

Can't imagine they are making it up.

Quoted from Mappers

A couple of sets of parents have put on Twitter space they received an email saying it's closing .

Can't imagine they are making it up.

Mr D back tracking again ........

Quoted from Mappers

A couple of sets of parents have put on Twitter space they received an email saying it's closing .

Can't imagine they are making it up.

I’d guess that all money (if they even have any) will HAVE to go towards the first team to give them any chance of getting out of NLN. Not good at all as these are not only potential players for the future, but possibly a lifeline if they were to go on to be sold for big £££

Quoted from Mappers

Well , Mr David has now fully scrapped their youth setup and academy .

I was told by someone who knows Andy Dawson that Hilton only reversed on his decision to scrap the youth team because after the initial announcement Dawson offered all of the scholars trials at Hull. Hilton realised that if he scrapped it he'd get no money for the players Hull wanted as they'd be free agents. Hull were impressed with Owen Foster and wanted to sign him, so he reversed on the decision, took the transfer fee and now low and behold he's scrapping it again!

Here is the excuse, for yet another back track...

"Philip Wood really? How so?
The business plan put forward by the academy manager in April required a 70k contribution by me for the year. When we tried to implement their plan it didn’t stack up and after re looking at his numbers Tony Daws came back and said it needed over £220k and that was not allowing a contingency.
£220k minimum from a football club that’s at step 2 non league with only 8 scholars is insane.
The decision was made to drop the academy to a category 4 and over the next twelve months the 9-16 will transform into a self sufficient junior set up like every other non league club that has with no funding.
The priority is getting this football club back to the EFL as quickly as possible and unfortunately this is the only way."

Clearly pays close attention to the detail when making decisions... ;D

Quoted from MarshMariner

Here is the excuse, for yet another back track...

"Philip Wood really? How so?
The business plan put forward by the academy manager in April required a 70k contribution by me for the year. When we tried to implement their plan it didn’t stack up and after re looking at his numbers Tony Daws came back and said it needed over £220k and that was not allowing a contingency.
£220k minimum from a football club that’s at step 2 non league with only 8 scholars is insane.
The decision was made to drop the academy to a category 4 and over the next twelve months the 9-16 will transform into a self sufficient junior set up like every other non league club that has with no funding.
The priority is getting this football club back to the EFL as quickly as possible and unfortunately this is the only way."

Clearly pays close attention to the detail when making decisions... ;D

70k to run the academy for a year ..... Ffs . I'm not too bright but even I'd know that's bull excrement

What is this Facebook page he posts on?

Quoted from Hagrid

What is this Facebook page he posts on?

It's called Scunny United Fans Group

It's comedy genius and pathetic all at the same time

Quoted from It Bites

It's called Scunny United Fans Group

It's comedy genius and pathetic all at the same time

If you go on it, don't question any of what DH says, or else you will be swore at, called names and get banned from the forum.

Quoted from 123614

If you go on it, don't question any of what DH says, or else you will be swore at, called names and get banned from the forum.

Mission accepted

Put some sensible questions on there would love to see that mentally warped lot's replies .

This is getting even more laughable ,a post has been put up - now that group is going to be vetted , the admin is going to go through all members and any 'excrement stirrers , fake accounts , cod heads or trolls will be removed '

I think Mr David has given the instruction 'smoke out some more vemin'

So basically anyone who does not bow to the messiah or asks sensible questions goes.

North Korea MKII

The delusion is unbelievable! The below is from their Facebook group tonight.

Quoted Text

Good evening my prawn sandwich munching friends.
Some of you may be happy, but a lot of you won’t be but I have been drafted in by the boys to help out cracking heads and making some of you naughty lot behave better in here so we don’t lose our group due to trolls, fake accounts, cod heads and sh!t stirrers.

I will be in charge of vetting new members as well as systematically checking all 5000 accounts for anything that smells fishy.

It’s not a hard job allowing people to join but basically if you look if the applicant has mutual friends they get in.

I am firm but fair and am going to listen to all appeals but will try to limit everyone to one account.

For example if you call yourself David Black or David Q Hotels, you can only use one or the other 👀

The truth is it's a comedy show the whole thing and although I don't want them ro go ; the guilty pleasure of all the madness I want to continue - it's better than any of the crap on the box , all these comedy characters involved in their own little show with Hilton & Swann in starring roles .

My favourite Hilton quote today was to a fan who put a reasonable post up questioning why the academy is closing . 'Maybe I should let you run the club being so knowledgeable ' .

Golden

Quoted from Hagrid

What is this Facebook page he posts on?

Fantasy Island.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The delusion is unbelievable! The below is from their Facebook group tonight.

Good evening my prawn sandwich munching friends.
Some of you may be happy, but a lot of you won’t be but I have been drafted in by the boys to help out cracking heads and making some of you naughty lot behave better in here so we don’t lose our group due to trolls, fake accounts, cod heads and sh!t stirrers.

I will be in charge of vetting new members as well as systematically checking all 5000 accounts for anything that smells fishy.

It’s not a hard job allowing people to join but basically if you look if the applicant has mutual friends they get in.

I am firm but fair and am going to listen to all appeals but will try to limit everyone to one account.

For example if you call yourself David Black or David Q Hotels, you can only use one or the other 👀

So if your only allowed one account what does David "multiple names" do... ;D >:(

hopefully we are all over their academy players/scholars etc. like a rash

Quoted from forza ivano

hopefully we are all over their academy players/scholars etc. like a rash

Judging by the last 5 years at Scunny they're all shite!

Quoted from forza ivano

hopefully we are all over their academy players/scholars etc. like a rash

For matchday ball boys?

I am now removed from their little comedy group , so if anyone still remains please post Dodgy Daves little outbursts on here .

Quoted from Mappers

I am now removed from their little comedy group , so if anyone still remains please post Dodgy Daves little outbursts on here .

It's a very dangerous precedent when you kick people out for supporting opposing teams. Did you say anything or did you just fall victim to Jason Herbert's audit?

I did not survive his cut , I have never posted just observed .

That bloke seems odder than odd.

Quoted from Mappers

I did not survive his cut , I have never posted just observed .

That bloke seems odder than odd.

I’m still in but they think I like them

Quoted from It Bites

I’m still in but they think I like them

Well done mate try and stay in we need the mad outbursts from Mr D relaying .

I saw before i got booted out that odd bloke is just screenshotting pictures of profiles of people he won't let in 'Cod , no mutual friends , blocked ' daft .

Quoted from Mappers

Well done mate try and stay in we need the mad outbursts from Mr D relaying .

I saw before i got booted out that odd bloke is just screenshotting pictures of profiles of people he won't let in 'Cod , no mutual friends , blocked ' daft .

If Putin ran a facebook group............

I can't even find this Facebook group, even by typing in "scunny united fans group" I am missing out it seems 😢

Quoted from It Bites

I’m still in but they think I like them

Don’t drop your guard by spelling correctly or using punctuation correctly

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Don’t drop your guard by spelling correctly or using punctuation correctly

I'm from Brigg so I basically fit in 😱😱😂😂

Quoted from It Bites

I’m still in but they think I like them

Me too but I also have a number, possibly 1, mutual friends.

Has there been anymore mad Dave rants on there ,or that daft sherbert offering his thoughts ?

Is he some sort of Hilton /Scunthorpe Utd uber fan?

Everything is fine now they won 3-0 at Ilkeston and David is the messiah the Ilkeston fans said so…

Quoted from Mappers

Has there been anymore mad Dave rants on there ,or that daft sherbert offering his thoughts ?

Is he some sort of Hilton /Scunthorpe Utd uber fan?

Jason Herbert was very passionately against Peter Swann. I believe he got cut off from RH for swearing live on air in a rant about him. Unfortunately, he appears to have let this hatred for Swann cloud his judgement of David Anderson/Hilton/White.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Everything is fine now they won 3-0 at Ilkeston and David is the messiah the Ilkeston fans said so…

I know it was a long time ago, but I wonder if they know about Brittania Law Limited?

Quoted from 123614

I know it was a long time ago, but I wonder if they know about Brittania Law Limited?

Yeah, he admitted that at the fans forum he said it was 'a dark time in his life ' or something along those lines , they don't seem too fussed.

Quoted from Mappers

Yeah, he admitted that at the fans forum he said it was 'a dark time in his life ' or something along those lines , they don't seem too fussed.

I’m sure it was a far darker time for the people who he allegedly fraudulently stole money from.

Fraud's not a proper crime though, heard a top legal eagle say so.

Quoted from Abdul19

Fraud's not a proper crime though, heard a top legal eagle say so.

*Ian Holloway breathes a sigh of relief…

Quoted from Heisenberg

I’m sure it was a far darker time for the people who he allegedly fraudulently stole money from.

It's not fraud , a grey area and morally corupt certainly .

I know when I took over a business i got various cold calls offering to inprove business rates, building insurance and many other things (sure others have had the same ) - they love to record the call and try to implement no cooling off period (which I think is maybe illegal?) If you are green or chasing cheaper rates I can see how you would fall for it as people must have with Brittania law ; who were actually under investigation alongside his business partners (now Ilkeston chairman) organisation for relatively the same thing (allegedly).

https://edm.parliament.uk/early-day-motion/44088/britannia-law

Quoted from Abdul19

Fraud's not a proper crime though, heard a top legal eagle say so.

Tell that to the people that were robbed of thousands of pounds.

Quoted from 123614

Tell that to the people that were robbed of thousands of pounds.

I think he was making a sarcastic comment in reference to the moron who was made Chairman of GTFC…

If you keep making U -turns with the youth academy, does it become an 'O' turn, or does it stay as multiple U turns? And is this circular thinking from roundabout dave an obvious precursor to the whole playing at ilkeston thing........

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

If you keep making U -turns with the youth academy, does it become an 'O' turn, or does it stay as multiple U turns? And is this circular thinking from roundabout dave an obvious precursor to the whole playing at ilkeston thing........

Several u-turns makes you a doughnut

More cost cutting at Scunny....

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/july/mortz-property-services-stand-closed-for-pre-season-encounters/

When do we anticipate “D-Day” to be?

Surely at some point, they need to have a home ground or not?

Quoted from bradzmilne

When do we anticipate “D-Day” to be?

Surely at some point, they need to have a home ground or not?

I suppose their friendly with Doncaster , to establish if they can actually play there in this interim period before Swann get's the ground back and the July payday are the next two obstacles for them to overcome .

D day in court will come shortly and either it's dragged out ,or Swann gets the assets back quickly and they have no ground and have to play wherever else .

Or Mr D and Jason Sherbet somehow raise the funds to buy the lot , you never know .

Quoted from Mappers

I suppose their friendly with Doncaster , to establish if they can actually play there in this interim period before Swann get's the ground back and the July payday are the next two obstacles for them to overcome .

D day in court will come shortly and either it's dragged out ,or Swann gets the assets back quickly and they have no ground and have to play wherever else .

Or Mr D and Jason Sherbet somehow raise the funds to buy the lot , you never know .

And I can guarantee that Dave youth hostel will be tucked up in bed while most likely 10s of thou…hundr….people will be having sleepless nights worrying if their team will be around in 2 weeks

Quoted from forza ivano

hopefully we are all over their academy players/scholars etc. like a rash

We are/were.

But as are every other club within reasonable distance. I think we actually got in a bit earlier than most clubs but I wouldn't even say the vultures are circling now. It's more like they've landed, are nicely settled and currently looking at putting a hot tub in the corner of the garden.

Even if Scunny somehow emerge from this, which would be a miracle in itself, their medium-to-long term future is absolutely copulated.

Quoted from diehardmariner

We are/were.

But as are every other club within reasonable distance. I think we actually got in a bit earlier than most clubs but I wouldn't even say the vultures are circling now. It's more like they've landed, are nicely settled and currently looking at putting a hot tub in the corner of the garden.

Even if Scunny somehow emerge from this, which would be a miracle in itself, their medium-to-long term future is absolutely copulated.

Imagine if they somehow survive , their losses will be staggering over the next couple of years about 5 to 10 players on league 1/league 2 wages ; on 2 year contracts in NLN - unless they suddenly start pulling in crowds similiar to ours they will be in a very bad way .

I actually think if they survive they might get very good gates this season, a lot of people expecting to win every week

Exactly.

It doesn't need Mystic Meg to work out the trajectory of this season.  But let's be really kind and imagine they do have somewhere to play, be it Glanford Park, Northolme, The Hawthorns....Quibbel Park maybe.  Anyway, they start off ok.  Players like Cal Roberts shouldn't be at that level and they soon put the mighty Peterborough Intersports to the sword and Hilton is paraded around the streets of Ashby like John Fenty on the south coast in 2009.

Late August arrives and the players haven't been paid.   The dressing room is a less than happy place.  By the time September arrives and they're now two-months without pay it's not so much of an empty dressing room but an empty one.  At that level the constraints on moving are much less so and the better players will soon be looking to find someone who can pay something of their wages, even if a contribution as part of a loan deal.

Never fear, Scunny can call on their youth set-up to step in and fulfil first team duties.  In fairness that has served them quite well in recent seasons....hasn't it?  Oh, they've all gone to Grimsby, Hull, Donny, Barnsley...

If Scunny are still with us by the time we're lighting the bonfires I'll be amazed.

Quoted from supertown

I actually think if they survive they might get very good gates this season, a lot of people expecting to win every week

Maybe that's Mr Davids latest gamble ?

Hope they somehow get through the season with the court cases adjourned until Swann gets the ground back .

Try and walk the league and fill GP to cover the losses ?

One hell of a risk if that is the case.

It still baffles me how a lot of their fans seem to think they will somehow keep GP for free , do they realise Swann owns the ground fullstop?

If they survive and actually start the season their fans who think they'll walk the NLN may be in for a very rude awakening.

We thought we'd walk the Blue Square when we first got relegated. They thought they'd walk the National League last season (before it began). Stockport thought they'd walk the NLN when they dropped into it. Wrexham had been at that level for 15+ years. Ask Darlington, York etc etc

We know it is a nightmare getting out of the National leagues and some of the smaller teams are going to raise their game against a team who were in the Championship in recent memory, especially if they play at GP as it will be the biggest ground some NLN players will have ever played at.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

If they survive and actually start the season their fans who think they'll walk the NLN may be in for a very rude awakening.

We thought we'd walk the Blue Square when we first got relegated. They thought they'd walk the National League last season (before it began). Stockport thought they'd walk the NLN when they dropped into it. Wrexham had been at that level for 15+ years. Ask Darlington, York etc etc

We know it is a nightmare getting out of the National leagues and some of the smaller teams are going to raise their game against a team who were in the Championship in recent memory, especially if they play at GP as it will be the biggest ground some NLN players will have ever played at.

tbf with the signings they have made, on paper they should walk it.

Quoted from Hagrid

tbf with the signings they have made, on paper they should walk it.

Assume Stockport and Fylde thought the same , took them more than a season.

Scunny humiliation will be public

Tweet 1681242676329365506 will appear here...

Quoted from GrimRob

Scunny humiliation will be public

Tweet 1681242676329365506 will appear here...

Imagine the standard of that though, can't imagine it will be great .

Quoted from Mappers

Imagine the standard of that though, can't imagine it will be great .

The football or the camera work?

Don’t panic, the producers have asked me to pop along with my mobile phone for transmission, I explained that I will be walking the dog and they do not see any problem, apart from when I may be poop a scooping, hopefully nobody scores at that point.

Quoted from Hagrid

tbf with the signings they have made, on paper they should walk it.

And no doubt paying wages over and above their income......mmm what could possibly go wrong?

They've sold 1,400 season tickets and I believe they were cash only ?

Quoted from GrimRob

Scunny humiliation will be public

Tweet 1681242676329365506 will appear here...

Notice the mistake on the link at the bottom.

The National League still as unprofessional as when we were in it.

Quoted from It Bites

They've sold 1,400 season tickets and I believe they were cash only ?

Yeah you could not pay on card , seems strange .

Quoted from Mappers

Yeah you could not pay on card , seems strange .

That wasn't to do with Scunny - it was a problem with the finance provider. Lincoln had the same problem I believe - has been mentioned on here a couple of times

Quoted from forza ivano

That wasn't to do with Scunny - it was a problem with the finance provider. Lincoln had the same problem I believe - has been mentioned on here a couple of times

Yeah quite a few clubs had the problems I believe mate , but I think they all managed to still provide a card payment option , whereas Scunny did not - Dave probably said it was a 'worldwide issue ' and Sherbert and their crew would take it in .

I checked Lincoln just to be sure - Bacs , Paypal , Klarna ; credit card - all host of payment options in the end .

I see they’ve won the league tonight. Again,

Wait until all those players don't get paid on pay day in the next week or so.

Quote from SUFC Blast Furnace Forum after beating Gainsboro 6-0, "I think this guarantees being champions by Christmas!

Quoted from 123614

Quote from SUFC Blast Furnace Forum after beating Gainsboro 6-0, "I think this guarantees being champions by Christmas!

Surely that's tongue in cheek?

Yeah the Iron Bru lot are alright ,don't seem to be taken in by Mr David and Sherberts little cult hence them being described as 'vermin' by Mr David .

Just to add a bit of context on a strange situation that's constantly becoming more bizarre .

For folk that don't do facebook ,I know some do.

This Jason Herbert is a Scunthorpe Utd / David Hilton uberfan who by his own admission is talking to White/Hilton dailly and has taken it upon himself (or by request of his leader ) to monitor and remove their page of any 'smelly cods',Bury fans , non-believers or 'trouble causers ' .

They have serious issues with Iron Bru as there are a lot of people asking the right questions and they don't like it one bit .

Although Mr David's business partners dad is on there to , with the obvious remit to 'kill them with kindness' which I think the less gullible have realised.

The whole thing is mental .

A shame none of these characters have ventured on here , would be comedy to say the least.

Quoted from Mappers

Yeah the Iron Bru lot are alright ,don't seem to be taken in by Mr David and Sherberts little cult hence them being described as 'vermin' by Mr David .

Just to add a bit of context on a strange situation that's constantly becoming more bizarre .

For folk that don't do facebook ,I know some do.

This Jason Herbert is a Scunthorpe Utd / David Hilton uberfan who by his own admission is talking to White/Hilton dailly and has taken it upon himself (or by request of his leader ) to monitor and remove their page of any 'smelly cods',Bury fans , non-believers or 'trouble causers ' .

They have serious issues with Iron Bru as there are a lot of people asking the right questions and they don't like it one bit .

Although Mr David's business partners dad is on there to , with the obvious remit to 'kill them with kindness' which I think the less gullible have realised.

The whole thing is mental .

A shame none of these characters have ventured on here , would be comedy to say the least.

They’d get destroyed on here mate . That’s why the won’t attempt to reason with anyone with a sensible question. Apparently quieble park is the latest destination for a training complex.

Quoted from Mappers

Yeah the Iron Bru lot are alright ,don't seem to be taken in by Mr David and Sherberts little cult hence them being described as 'vermin' by Mr David .

Just to add a bit of context on a strange situation that's constantly becoming more bizarre .

For folk that don't do facebook ,I know some do.

This Jason Herbert is a Scunthorpe Utd / David Hilton uberfan who by his own admission is talking to White/Hilton dailly and has taken it upon himself (or by request of his leader ) to monitor and remove their page of any 'smelly cods',Bury fans , non-believers or 'trouble causers ' .

They have serious issues with Iron Bru as there are a lot of people asking the right questions and they don't like it one bit .

Although Mr David's business partners dad is on there to , with the obvious remit to 'kill them with kindness' which I think the less gullible have realised.

The whole thing is mental .

A shame none of these characters have ventured on here , would be comedy to say the least.

They probably thought better of registering when they realised their ideal username, getyourfactsright, was taken.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

They probably thought better of registering when they realised their ideal username, getyourfactsright, was taken.

That user name should be de-constructed and let free.

Quoted from It Bites

They’d get destroyed on here mate . That’s why the won’t attempt to reason with anyone with a sensible question. Apparently quieble park is the latest destination for a training complex.

Why would they come on here , that’s just silly . Not sure any owner of a football club (or part of it) would register to go on another teams site to get shot down in flames

Quoted from Mariner_09

Surely that's tongue in cheek?

Actually a lot of posters on the Scunny Fans Facebook page are convinced they will walk the league this season, maybe one or two on the Blast Furnace rhink so too?

I mentioned the other day that the new York City owner, Matt Uggla, was a bit different. Fair play to him for this gesture.

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Who is Daves business partners father on there?

Quoted from Titty

Who is Daves business partners father on there?

Patrick - Patrick Nally ,Andrew Nally's (Mr D's business partner ) dad who runs a burger van at Ilkeston Town - he's even said so himself on their - an Ilkeston Town uberfan , and he will now be attending Scunny games ; inviting non-believers in the exec box for a day with him .

Are Scunthorpe playing this afternoon, and if so where?

Thank you.

Quoted from cannylad65

Are Scunthorpe playing this afternoon, and if so where?

Thank you.

They have a match scheduled against Doncaster at Glanford Park this afternoon. Time will tell, but I suspect that this is where the fun starts.

I’d imagine they’ll play at GP this afternoon although they’ve already said they only be opening certain parts of the ground.

Once that fort case starts, assuming it hasn’t, then it’ll get interesting. I’m still not convinced they’ll be playing at GP, not for the full season anyway.

Quoted from aldi_01

I’d imagine they’ll play at GP this afternoon although they’ve already said they only be opening certain parts of the ground.

Once that fort case starts, assuming it hasn’t, then it’ll get interesting. I’m still not convinced they’ll be playing at GP, not for the full season anyway.

Could the bailiffs theoretically take control when the fans are in? It wouldn't quite be Dunston v Gateshead levels of bizarre from last night but it would certainly give the case a lot of attention.

If Hilton's son doesn't get on the tannoy system at half time and announce that it's his name, not his Dad's, on the contract of ownership at SUFC I'll be disappointed.

Look out for the hearse at half time. ;)

After the Gateshead-Hearse incident I fully expect a clown car driven by Hilton in full cosume to burst onto the field, skid to a halt in the centre circle, all four wheels fall off as the Scunny team all wearing oversized clown shoes rush to help him out, stepping into various buckets along the way.

They'll play at GP today I'd expect, and be paid on time at the end of the month.

It gets interesting when the court case starts - I assume itt will be found initially swann has a case but scunny get to stay at GP in the mean time. From looking at a fee other cases on the website (the extent of my legal research lol) these things tend to either be settled out of court or a decision is made within 6 months.

Quoted from toontown

They'll play at GP today I'd expect, and be paid on time at the end of the month.

It gets interesting when the court case starts - I assume it will be found initially swann has a case but scunny get to stay at GP in the mean time. From looking at a fee other cases on the website (the extent of my legal research lol) these things tend to either be settled out of court or a decision is made within 6 months.

Pretty much this - out of court would mean Hilton has to buy the ground though and that's not happening - his hope is they get the majority of the season at GP and that they do well ,get high gates and can cover their high wage bill for the season (still not sure how he plans on servicing all their debts as they are insolvent - but you suspect it's a case of kicking the can as far down the road as possible with that )

They get kicked out early ,they are not fairing well and he has one of his tangents , then the club goes .

The only asset they (don't) have is the stadium and land ; they are in such a mess - still can't believe a lot of that fanbase don't see it.

I reckon Hilton thinks if he almost takes them to the wall, without a ground , the council will bail them out and build them a new stadium and prop the club up .I'm almost certain he's shafted Swann , will shaft the fans and then pretend the council have shafted him when the stadiums not up in 19 months .

Quoted from Mappers

Pretty much this - out of court would mean Hilton has to buy the ground though and that's not happening - his hope is they get the majority of the season at GP and that they do well ,get high gates and can cover their high wage bill for the season (still not sure how he plans on servicing all their debts as they are insolvent - but you suspect it's a case of kicking the can as far down the road as possible with that )
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Are they in debt? I thought Swann wrote off the £11 million of loans by transferring the stadium to one of his other companies. Or do they have other significant creditors?

Currently playing at GP, so good news for them. There's obviously still a lot of questions that need answering but somewhat reassuring that they are able to host a match there.

Quoted from RonMariner

Are they in debt? I thought Swann wrote off the £11 million of loans by transferring the stadium to one of his other companies. Or do they have other significant creditors?

He's written off a small amount of it and loans he ended up not able to pay any creditors , Hilton claims to have written off a million (the only official transaction he's paid is £160k ; part of an undisclosed HMRC debt ) so it will still stack up to a hefty amount owing - he will have to write off debts as they get called by creditors .

The accounts published were for 21/22 season aswell so you can only speculate , but after Swanns troubles and their terrible time on the pitch the 22/23 accounts will probably look substantially worse

The accounts published were the minimum requirement in terms of detail that you can publish .

I suspect we may never see a set of accounts published from Scunthorpe Utd in it's current form again Ron .

Quoted from Mappers

He's written off a small amount of it and loans he ended up not able to pay any creditors , Hilton claims to have written off a million (the only official transaction he's paid is £160k ; part of an undisclosed HMRC debt ) so it will still stack up to a hefty amount owing - he will have to write off debts as they get called by creditors .

The accounts published were for 21/22 season aswell so you can only speculate , but after Swanns troubles and their terrible time on the pitch the 22/23 accounts will probably look substantially worse

The accounts published were the minimum requirement in terms of detail that you can publish .

I suspect we may never see a set of accounts published from Scunthorpe Utd in it's current form again Ron .

It's very concerning that the new owner would reduce the transparency of the accounts to the bare minimum for an accounting period that he had absolutely zero responsibility for.

According to their Facebook group, they sold out of pies, burgers and hot dogs within 11 minutes of the game kicking off.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

It's very concerning that the new owner would reduce the transparency of the accounts to the bare minimum for an accounting period that he had absolutely zero responsibility for.

Yeah , I think we discussed on here in those accounts I'm sure there was a paragraph about how Hilton plans on paying off creditors with loans - it was not clear whether they were loans from himself to the club (honest John style ) or borrowing more against the club - which you would think would be near impossible with no assets to leverage against and already mounting debts .

Quoted from jamesgtfc

According to their Facebook group, they sold out of pies, burgers and hot dogs within 11 minutes of the game kicking off.

Jason Sherbert has still got me banned so I can't look lol is he still spouting nonsense on there ?

An update on the stadium

The club aren’t issuing any official updates on any progress until the planning has been submitted however preliminary architectural design work and calculations are in place.

DH is conscious that supporters have heard such promises before and the club just wants to focus on and off the pitch.

He sent me a few shots of proposed initial design work and had no issue with me sharing them.

Things are happening even if it’s not publicised step by step

He posted new pictures of the proposed stadium too . You know on a FB group because that's how professionals do it now ? Ffs

I don’t know who I’d believe in my caravan tbh! You’ve got the former chairman/owner who has ‘allegedly’ written off loads of debt or the new owner who you know nothing about and (through rumours) could end up having the team play an hour away.

I can’t understand why the supporters of the club, aren’t asking some serious strong questions. It’s like we’re more concerned about the future of the club rather than them!

Taking an established football league club into step 5 is bad but, even though it’s a league below, there’s a huge chasm between step 5 & 6.. I would be apoplectic now if that had happened to us (and am pretty sure there’s at least another 4000 like that too). You arent even guaranteed decent progress in the fa cup and the crowds will be embarrassing Considering 4-5 years ago they were probably averaging 3500.

I’d be asking at the very least for a q&a with the owner. Where he simply has to show his hand. It sounds like, if we’re honest about it, it’s Sh1t or (literally) bust come next April/may!

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

I don’t know who I’d believe in my caravan tbh! You’ve got the former chairman/owner who has ‘allegedly’ written off loads of debt or the new owner who you know nothing about and (through rumours) could end up having the team play an hour away.

I can’t understand why the supporters of the club, aren’t asking some serious strong questions. It’s like we’re more concerned about the future of the club rather than them!

Taking an established football league club into step 5 is bad but, even though it’s a league below, there’s a huge chasm between step 5 & 6.. I would be apoplectic now if that had happened to us (and am pretty sure there’s at least another 4000 like that too). You arent even guaranteed decent progress in the fa cup and the crowds will be embarrassing Considering 4-5 years ago they were probably averaging 3500.

I’d be asking at the very least for a q&a with the owner. Where he simply has to show his hand. It sounds like, if we’re honest about it, it’s Sh1t or (literally) bust come next April/may!

He did ,the fans forum- which was effectively invite only . The first half by all accounts was Hilton throwing personal insults and accusations at Swann (non of which he allowed on record ) . With the rest a mixture of him outlining his new stadium promise ,which is going to be delivered 19 months from now and telling their fans how they would not have a club if it was not for him.

I do believe he thinks he can somehow get through the season at GP , get a groundshare the following season and then move into the new stadium - it's become obvious he won't/can't buy the assets . He's pretty much said he won't buy it as it is so Swann will get that back at some point .

Will they survive this season ?
If they make it through and go up ,how do they continue to pay the wages playing at Ilkeston or Gainsborough ?
How do they service the creditors with his idea of doing it with loans ?

I have so many more questions and if I was one of their fans would have so many more .

Quoted from Mappers

He did ,the fans forum- which was effectively invite only . The first half by all accounts was Hilton throwing personal insults and accusations at Swann (non of which he allowed on record ) . With the rest a mixture of him outlining his new stadium promise ,which is going to be delivered 19 months from now and telling their fans how they would not have a club if it was not for him.

Exactly. Bottled it. Invite only? He could’ve paid them off or force fed them nytol before hand.

There’s just no concern. Admittedly am only reading what’s on here, but it just seems like they are accepting their fate. With town there’s always been a group of players throughout the years that would stand up for the fans/club over the owners but it’s like nobody cares

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Exactly. Bottled it. Invite only? He could’ve paid them off or force fed them nytol before hand.

There’s just no concern. Admittedly am only reading what’s on here, but it just seems like they are accepting their fate. With town there’s always been a group of players throughout the years that would stand up for the fans/club over the owners but it’s like nobody cares

Well he definately has sweetened that Jonny Sherbert bloke , he's his PA now I think and the Iron Bru lads who he called vermin , he's 'cleared the air ' or something along those lines .

What's on here is probably a lot closer to the truth than their fans would like .

He might ,if somehow everything runs in his favour get them through , but even if he does the long term future looks bleak .

The stadium won't happen in 19 months , best case would probably be 6 years , but how would they survive for 5 years playing away ?

It will be interesting to see if he can pressure the local authority into building it , I think it's extremely doubtful .

Quoted from Mappers

Well he definately has sweetened that Jonny Sherbert bloke , he's his PA now I think and the Iron Bru lads who he called vermin , he's 'cleared the air ' or something along those lines .

What's on here is probably a lot closer to the truth than their fans would like .

He might ,if somehow everything runs in his favour get them through , but even if he does the long term future looks bleak .

The stadium won't happen in 19 months , best case would probably be 6 years , but how would they survive for 5 years playing away ?

It will be interesting to see if he can pressure the local authority into building it , I think it's extremely doubtful .

Jason Herbert is banned from games for some reason or another. Hilton has promised him that he will sort the home games out for him and they have recently advertised for a new Scunny Bunny. Herbert was thinking this was a sick joke and Hilton's way of getting him in for home games!

Their star signing Cal Roberts suffers a suspected leg fracture, not good for Cal himself and not good for Scunny

Quoted from Davec

Their star signing Cal Roberts suffers a suspected leg fracture, not good for Cal himself and not good for Scunny

An unfortunate injury, I guess that's what happens when you play in the "clobbers league". (lol)

So can they play at home then? Looks like it

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Not on Scunthorpe site yet though. Wonder why?

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probably cancelled then!

Absolute chaos. They were due to play Scunny tonight, then changed it to Loughboro a few days ago, then cancelled Scunny tonight only to un-cancel a few minutes later. Team sheets should be interesting.

Finally Scunthorpe fans are discussing the real issues at the club...

Quoted from Son of Cod

Finally Scunthorpe fans are discussing the real issues at the club...

If that’s all they have to worry about then they’ll be fine ……….😂😂

Quoted from Son of Cod

Finally Scunthorpe fans are discussing the real issues at the club...

Lol well he don’t know but wants nic naks and the pie at winterton was awesome if smaller clubs can produce such high class cuisine surely the massive iron can do so

Absolutely incredible

" lets be patient with the kiosk staff"
Fucķing hurry up with my coffee !
Thats it fella, glad you got your prioritys right!@
Your clubs going tiťs up but as long as you can get 4 fingers or a snicker down ur neck youll be rite 🤣😂🤣
Absolute joke, as for them nik naks....keep away fella, youve clearly got 1 stuck in your throat 🤣

Does a Scunny Kitkat have 5 fingers?

Jesus Christ…..

It’s like a second season of Mike Bassett football manager.

You couldn’t make it up.

Fck me, I have heard of small gains in sport but not sure a time and motion study on coffee lids will...to coin a phrase....get you 3 points on a Saturday.

Hope when he next goes the kiosk staff recognise him and tell him to fck off 😆

Oh and in his own style....

"one thing I did notice, might be a little tip , looking at him...instead of pulled pork and mars bars...choose a salad "

There's a lot of err.. errs.

...

"one thing I did notice, might be a little tip , looking at him...instead of pulled pork and mars bars...choose a salad " [/quote]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Quoted from Wedidntdidwe

Does a Scunny Kitkat have 5 fingers?

First lol of the day from me and a gold star sir .

2-1 win over Burton and held Donny to a draw......could things be looking up?

Quoted from moosey_club

2-1 win over Burton and held Donny to a draw......could things be looking up?

They’ll be celebrating on their sisters tonight

See how they get on tomorrow when the wages are meant to go in .

If that's fine then see how they get on , it's alright doing well in pre season but see how it goes in the league ; it wont be easy for them and they will not walk the league like many predict .3

Quoted from Mappers

See how they get on tomorrow when the wages are meant to go in .

If that's fine then see how they get on , it's alright doing well in pre season but see how it goes in the league ; it wont be easy for them and they will not walk the league like many predict .3

I think their July wages will be fine, whether they are still paying them on time by Christmas is another matter though.

One of their fans was bragging that he had put £50 on Scunny to win the title at 7/4 …. Fuckin idiot

Quoted from It Bites

One of their fans was bragging that he had put £50 on Scunny to win the title at 7/4 …. Fuckin idiot

He'd be safer putting money on relegation.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I think their July wages will be fine, whether they are still paying them on time by Christmas is another matter though.

Agree James but still a milestone .

Still don't understand how the figures add up but time will tell and that's even before the ground dispute .

Quoted from It Bites

One of their fans was bragging that he had put £50 on Scunny to win the title at 7/4 …. Fuckin idiot

They should win that league to be fair looking at the players they have. Let's see if they actually pay those players.

Exactly. People on here are gonna have to get used to Scunny winning because they’ll walk it this season and will be putting 5s and 6s past teams most weeks.

By all accounts they have assembled a squad that should do very well in NLN.

The problems will be off the field with the legal situation and fears over cash flow. Let's face it, Scunny have a track record of unsustainable wage bills.

Be interesting to see how it pans out.

Quoted from RonMariner

By all accounts they have assembled a squad that should do very well in NLN.

The problems will be off the field with the legal situation and fears over cash flow. Let's face it, Scunny have a track record of unsustainable wage bills.

Be interesting to see how it pans out.

It is an interesting one. Other clubs in NLN may not see this as a level playing field as SUFC are effectively squatters. Would they have been able to assemble that squad if the stadium had been purchased at the price agreed. Of course they wouldn't. The club are nominally insolvent, but Hilton is able to underwrite the debts because he hasn't had to cough up £3 million for the stadium and land. Could other clubs cry foul as they have avoided administration and a points deduction only by becoming a squatter on someone else's land?

No matter how much of a cVnt Swann is, and he's complete one, he is still entitled to be paid for the land and stadium. Even if those assets hadn't been transferred away from the club ownership, he would have still wanted paying for them as part of the deal to sell the club.

Had to force myself to stop
Commenting!

They might have good players for that level but they've got an ice cream man for a manager.

Wages not paid in full according to the Iron Bru lot .Ohh ohh .

Quoted from Mappers

Wages not paid in full according to the Iron Bru lot .Ohh ohh .

Probably waiting for the final 250k from the FA . Player morale will soon drop , after all they are a grass roots team now so players will not hang about

I wonder how much all these new board members have had to cough up ?

Gone from 'it will just be me alone ' to 6 board members , maybe another one of Mr David's 'ideas'.

Quoted from Mappers

I wonder how much all these new board members have had to cough up ?

Gone from 'it will just be me alone ' to 6 board members , maybe another one of Mr David's 'ideas'.

I’m guessing we’ll find out everything soon enough

Quoted from ska face

Exactly. People on here are gonna have to get used to Scunny winning because they’ll walk it this season and will be putting 5s and 6s past teams most weeks.

I can smell the coffee! 8) 8) 8)

Quoted from 140381

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66395824

Hmmmm…wonder if this will have an effect?

It might on your interior paint and wild bird feed buying potential.

'Staff unpaid (and not happy) , unconfirmed whether players have been '- Iron Insider

Quoted from Mappers

'Staff unpaid (and not happy) , unconfirmed whether players have been '- Iron Insider

Can't wait for Dodgy Dave's latest excuse!

Dodgy Dave going after a scunny fan tonight calling him a Paedo etc…the bloke really is an embarrassment…

Quoted from aldi_01

Dodgy Dave going after a scunny fan tonight calling him a Paedo etc…the bloke really is an embarrassment…

Where abouts ?

Quoted from It Bites

Where abouts ?

On Twitter…flipping embarrassing…

Quoted from aldi_01

On Twitter…flipping embarrassing…

Not on there but yes , the bloke is an embarrassment

Just looking at the land that DD has “acquired” for the new stadium and it doesn’t look big enough for a football stadium ?

Quoted from aldi_01

On Twitter…flipping embarrassing…

Got a link to the tweet?

Quoted from gtfc98

Got a link to the tweet?

Sadly not, I was sent screen shots from a scunny fan…Hilton’s account is @DavidHilto72776

Search that and you’ll probably find it…

I mean, I don’t know if the guy in question is a paedophile or not, but…

Quoted from aldi_01

Sadly not, I was sent screen shots from a scunny fan…Hilton’s account is @DavidHilto72776

Search that and you’ll probably find it…

https://twitter.com/DavidHilto72776/with_replies not sure about this one Aldi - brand new account with only 6 tweets n a couple of followers? false flag?

It's probably not even him , but him being such a liability actually makes you wonder and ask the question .

Their wages are going in late every month

Not good for people who need to put bread on the table and direct debits to pay .

Feel for them on that one .

In other distant Scunny news...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66395824

Is the real David White/Hilton still posting on that facebook group of theirs?

Quoted from Poojah

I mean, I don’t know if the guy in question is a paedophile or not, but…

Ironic that he accuses someone else of using fake names!!

According to a number of 'in the know' people ....... big news to be announced today.

Quoted from tintowner

According to a number of 'in the know' people ....... big news to be announced today.

Assuming my source is right, and he hasn’t been wrong so far, there’s some massive stuff coming their way today. Stuff linked very much to the further of the club, their home and moving forward…

Quoted from aldi_01

Assuming my source is right, and he hasn’t been wrong so far, there’s some massive stuff coming their way today. Stuff linked very much to the further of the club, their home and moving forward…

Good or bad for them aldi?

Given all that has gone on, it would be almost miraculous if it was good news for them.

Quoted from Poojah

I mean, I don’t know if the guy in question is a paedophile or not, but…

If 1500club is a paedophile, he has been hiding it very well. An active member of Iron Bru in the 00s, and on twitter ever since. From previous posts I think he was a teenager in the 80s, and several Scunny fans know who he is (not me) and knew him from games back in the 90s at least. If he's been to prison for any crime, he's hidden it well and probably managed to post from a gaol cell, somehow, while getting day release to go to home and away matches.

I don't think this idiot is Hilton, but there have been several burners doxxing, abusing, making death threats and libellous comments under the guise of Hilton or his mates. One after Hilton's tirade against Iron Bru. I don't think it would have been unfair to ask him to distance himself from them.

As for today, I am worried. I fear this is the beginning of the end.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

As for today, I am worried. I fear this is the beginning of the end.

Do you know what today's 'big news' is?

Could be that swan n Hilton have reached a compromise

Quoted from forza ivano

Could be that swan n Hilton have reached a compromise

Or have fallen madly in love?

This news could be absolutely anything, but I believe there was a National League meeting earlier this week and today is the eve of the new season. On the other side, David might be releasing a pretty picture of his pipedream stadium to make people think it's happening.

I hope, for the sake of their decent fans and staff, that the news isn't disastrous. I don't have any sympathy for the players they signed this summer, they/their agents should do some due diligence.

Quoted from thefish

Or have fallen madly in love?

Yuk, that's brought a bit of sick up...

Strikes me that Hilton might use the Wilko news as a smokescreen to claim he's been forced to change his plans for one reason or another. It's all so, so dodgy.

Quoted from Maringer

Strikes me that Hilton might use the Wilko news as a smokescreen to claim he's been forced to change his plans for one reason or another. It's all so, so dodgy.

Mrs Swann sold her share in Wilko a long time ago. This is one situation that Swann did come out on the right side.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Do you know what today's 'big news' is?

There's talk of GP being limited to 2,000 fans, a move elsewhere, but it's mostly wait and see. There's also talk of something else, linked with a journalist investigation, but nothing concrete on that. Ground limitations seem to be the thing though, at the very least.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

There's talk of GP being limited to 2,000 fans, a move elsewhere, but it's mostly wait and see. There's also talk of something else, linked with a journalist investigation, but nothing concrete on that. Ground limitations seem to be the thing though, at the very least.

Hmm, OK. Cheers for that.

Let's hope it's good news.

Reading the way Hilton’s twitter mates talk I’m guessing they watch a lot of episodes of minder

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

There's talk of GP being limited to 2,000 fans, a move elsewhere, but it's mostly wait and see. There's also talk of something else, linked with a journalist investigation, but nothing concrete on that. Ground limitations seem to be the thing though, at the very least.

Considering that to be a hindrance would be extremely ambitious if you lot!

Have not got any detail apart from a message off Iron Insider

'Todays the day , our race is run ; staff still only partially paid '

Sad sad state of affairs

The only thing that surprises me is that it has taken this long.

Kieran Maguire hinted a few weeks back that there was something brewing that was very significant but couldn't be released, yet.

Regardless if it's Hilton or not, throwing a slur of a paedo at anyone is pretty bloody low.

Presumably it’s positive news that’s coming? Surely the NL couldn’t deny them entry the day before the season starts, could they?!

Quoted from Heisenberg

Presumably it’s positive news that’s coming? Surely the NL couldn’t deny them entry the day before the season starts, could they?!

It would be the most National League-ish thing the National League has done since they placed a non-league final between a team from North East Lincs and a team from Birmingham at an inaccessible athletics stadium in London, with no seats behind either goal and with tickets priced at a blanket rate of £40 a pop with no concessions.

It would be absolutely moronic to wait until the day before the season starts to expel Scunny, wouldn’t it?

Quoted from Poojah

It would be the most National League-ish thing the National League has done since they placed a non-league final between a team from North East Lincs and a team from Birmingham at an inaccessible athletics stadium in London, with no seats behind either goal and with tickets priced at a blanket rate of £40 a pop with no concessions.

It would be absolutely moronic to wait until the day before the season starts to expel Scunny, wouldn’t it?

I wonder if Scunny still have the money from the 750 away tickets for tomorrow? Probably paid in cash too….

My understanding is that all the new board members all paid £30k a piece, which again is a truly woeful business model.

Partial payments on pay day and now the most tinpot of tinpot organisations getting involved. Anyone with half a brain has seen the issues at scunny all summer; suddenly thr FA get interested and the National League suddenly want involvement too. Regardless of who owns the club, that’s just embarrassing from a league perspective…

Allegedly he does not want to pay the academy staff their final paycheck - Iron Insider.

If there is a statement coming, from the club, league, FA or anyone, I am saddened that it is taking so long to do. We're over half-way through the working day now and this will create anxieties among many of us. If there isn't one, and this is an unfounded rumour, then shame on who started it.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

If there is a statement coming, from the club, league, FA or anyone, I am saddened that it is taking so long to do. We're over half-way through the working day now and this will create anxieties among many of us. If there isn't one, and this is an unfounded rumour, then shame on who started it.

You are a good poster on here and obviously a lifelong decent fan of your club , like the vast majority of your fans you don't deserve what's happened and is happening .

My good friend, a Scunthorpe season ticket holder for over 50 years, has rung to tell me the following rumours.

There is a board meeting at Glanford Park as I type.

Apparently there is no coach transport to the match tomorrow, as they bill for last year is still outstanding.

Apparently the home capacity is going to be 2000 maximum, as David is not prepared to pay for a certain amount of stewarding.

Apparently the £2000 or whatever the figure was, investors have not as yet got their money back.

Apparently only some of the players have been paid.

Apparently that is what I have been told.

Quoted from cannylad65

My good friend, a Scunthorpe season ticket holder for over 50 years, has rung to tell me the following rumours.

There is a board meeting at Glanford Park as I type.

Apparently there is no coach transport to the match tomorrow, as they bill for last year is still outstanding.

Apparently the home capacity is going to be 2000 maximum, as David is not prepared to pay for a certain amount of stewarding.

Apparently the £2000 or whatever the figure was, investors have not as yet got their money back.

Apparently only some of the players have been paid.

Apparently that is what I have been told.

The capacity cap is also due to work or being undertaken, storage of certain things not meeting standards and the likes…

All very worrying, but it’s ok, Daft Dave spent all night calling someone a paedo…

Quoted from cannylad65

Apparently that is what I have been told.

So you're not sure if you've been told or not?

:-/

Does anybody actually know whether Radio Humberside (or perhaps The Athletic) are attempting to find out exactly what is happening, rather than this continuous rumour?

Quoted from Dodorondon

Does anybody actually know whether Radio Humberside (or perhaps The Athletic) are attempting to find out exactly what is happening, rather than this continuous rumour?

I think Dodgy Dave allegedly being dodgy, and allegedly having some very dodgy friends, prevent local journalists in particular from probing.

Doesn’t look like an announcement today

No announcement, but I have spoken to trustworthy people indicating that there is an attendance limitation in place.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

No announcement, but I have spoken to trustworthy people indicating that there is an attendance limitation in place.

Gonna be tough trying to make 20k profit per month to pay Swann rent if you’ve only got 2000 in. Can’t imagine you’ll be able to pay your best players.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Gonna be tough trying to make 20k profit per month to pay Swann rent if you’ve only got 2000 in. Can’t imagine you’ll be able to pay your best players.

…..that Swann never agreed to in the first place…..

I mean they are subjected to the National League so I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see an announcement just before the players get in their taxis to get to Tamworth…

Is the KO change at home to Scarborough to 1pm something to do with the GP safety issues I wonder?Couldn’t envisage hordes of tanked up, powder snorting, randomly urinating, disabled fan molesting (and whatever else the Times accused our fans of) Scarborough fans descending on Scunny…

Mr D has surfaced on the Scunny FB fans page . He’s laughed off suggestions that there will be a 2k cap at GP and he has confirmed everyone has been paid in full . Mr sherbet has stated that Mr D has thrown away 3 million of his own money so far saving the club . I’ll let you lot pick the bones out of that lot ……….

Quoted from aldi_01

I mean they are subjected to the National League so I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see an announcement just before the players get in their taxis to get to Tamworth…

They will be on stop with all the taxi firms by the end of the month.

Quoted from It Bites

Mr D has surfaced on the Scunny FB fans page . He’s laughed off suggestions that there will be a 2k cap at GP and he has confirmed everyone has been paid in full . Mr sherbet has stated that Mr D has thrown away 3 million of his own money so far saving the club . I’ll let you lot pick the bones out of that lot ……….

If he’d spent £3m he’d own Glumford Park. Which he doesn’t. Because he hasn’t. And won’t.

The fact that he converses like a teenager on a Facebook page really is astounding when you think about it. It’ll not be long before he’s slagging people off too. So odd…

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

No announcement, but I have spoken to trustworthy people indicating that there is an attendance limitation in place.

Will anyone notice? ;)

Assuming the 2000 restriction is in place, even if every ticket was sold at match day prices, and at full price, they’d just manage the rent and about half of one players wages…

I know there’s potentially some additional income but it looks unlikely to be anything near what they’d need…

What wage will Calum Roberts be on, with his last two clubs being Notts and Aberdeen? A grand a week minimum surely - he could have gone to a NL club with play-off ambitions, which probably means SUFC would have needed to pay slightly over the odds to persuade to drop down a level.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

What wage will Calum Roberts be on, with his last two clubs being Notts and Aberdeen? A grand a week minimum surely - he could have gone to a NL club with play-off ambitions, which probably means SUFC would have needed to pay slightly over the odds to persuade to drop down a level.

I’d guess at £1500 a week, minimum.

Quoted from Heisenberg

I’d guess at £1500 a week, minimum.

Not advocating signing Scunny players but he’s decent.

Fed up with opening a gtfc forum and seeing 300 pages about Scunthorpe?? Can this thread be moved to non football - this forum is becoming an obsession about Scunthorpe 🙄

Quoted from samg

Fed up with opening a gtfc forum and seeing 300 pages about Scunthorpe?? Can this thread be moved to non football - this forum is becoming an obsession about Scunthorpe 🙄

Have you thought about not opening this thread?

Quoted from gtfc98

Have you thought about not opening this thread?

When the season is less than 15 hours away and the main topic thread on here is about Scunthorpe - pretty sad really 🙄

Quoted from samg

When the season is less than 15 hours away and the main topic thread on here is about Scunthorpe - pretty sad really 🙄

This thread started nearly a year ago. Almost reached 300. The transfer thread start end of April and has 322 pages. That means this thread is not the main one. If you don’t like it, don’t read it. Seems pretty simple really.

Quoted from samg

When the season is less than 15 hours away and the main topic thread on here is about Scunthorpe - pretty sad really 🙄

What a misery , it’s pretty obvious what this thread is about, why are you opening it if it affects you so much ?

Quoted from samg

When the season is less than 15 hours away and the main topic thread on here is about Scunthorpe - pretty sad really 🙄

Don’t open it then ya soft girl private…

This thread is like a box set - somewhat addictive and you can’t help clicking for the next episode…

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

This thread is like a box set - somewhat addictive and you can’t help clicking for the next episode…

I’ve always said Scunthorpe is like the Walking Dead.

Quoted from thefish

I’ve always said Scunthorpe is like the Walking Dead.

I agree, went on for far too many seasons and should have quit ages ago! ;)

Shows how far scunny have dropped, cannot find their result anywhere.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Shows how far scunny have dropped, cannot find their result anywhere.

You won’t be happy when you do.

Dodgy Dave's pre match interview was pretty hilarious. He basically said get results right on the pitch and everything else will take care of itself. Yeah, not really sure that's how this is going to pan out David.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Shows how far scunny have dropped, cannot find their result anywhere.

It's on the BBC results page, but you have to scroll a long way down.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/scores-fixtures

Quoted from tintowner

According to a number of 'in the know' people ....... big news to be announced today.

What was the big announcement?, surely not a limitation on ground capacity when you need as much money as you can get; or is Hilton paying Swanny £5 per head?

Well they actually won a game yesterday , perhaps they are declaring a public holiday to celebrate.

They won their first game last year…

They will win the national lge north at a canter if it dont go belly up under the owner

Will they? Listening to RH on the way home and one of their fans who had been at the game was interviewed and he thought they were fortunate to win, on the day.

Deflected shot for a goal an O.G and an underwhelming display apparently. Nice to get lucky but its usually fleeting.

Their new commercial manager has already told them to stick it after not being paid…

How long until the full implosion ?

Quoted from Mappers

How long until the full implosion ?

I don't think there will be a single dramatic event. It will be death by a thousand cuts (literally and figuratively).

Is there still the love in for Mr D on that facebook page , even though he's not paying all the wages and owing money allover the place?

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

It will be death by a thousand cuts

Give or take a consonant

He's now tendering the catering for the club, presumably as it means he doesn't have to pay their staff. They will probably be bust by the time any employment tribunals relating to that come about.

Quoted from 140381

Give or take a consonant

Dearth?

I know, I know...

Watched the IronArmy vlog from their Tamworth trip...
Lots of predictions of a healthy win, the odd draw but predominantly buoyant mood pre match......
By half way through first half very sombre and frustrated mood ...
Equaliser recognised as lucky and undeserved with a similar feeling at the end for the winner.
A huge dose of reality served despite the win....and to think Tamworth might even be one of the better grounds or surroundings they perform at this year.....although being able to have a pint in the stand must be nice.

Found it quite amusing that outsider comments thought it was brilliant that Scunny fans wore mullet wigs in honour of their Aussie player as a theme for the day..........
they obviously have never been to know the mullet is still actually de rigeur in those parts 😀

I hope they fail in the league and go bust . I’m bored of their plight now . Let the simpletons enjoy it

Angry Daves on one,on Facebook today.

Quoted from Titty

Angry Daves on one,on Facebook today.

A shame I can't see after sherbert removed me lol

What's he on with now ?

A women who's been housing academy players has come on saying her lodge hasn't been paid still and that he terminated the under 18s contracts by zoom call on Tuesday night.
Hes gone off on one calling her a money grabber(words to that effect)

‘Wendi Betts kind people that put them up 🤣
You’re on here having been paid extremely well by the club slating that very entity because you’ve lost your little earner. Stop spouting rubbish and portraying you were doing this out of the goodness of your heart to help the lads. Your motivation like most in that academy set up was financial.
You are just angry it’s come to an end.’

Quoted from Titty

‘Wendi Betts kind people that put them up 🤣
You’re on here having been paid extremely well by the club slating that very entity because you’ve lost your little earner. Stop spouting rubbish and portraying you were doing this out of the goodness of your heart to help the lads. Your motivation like most in that academy set up was financial.
You are just angry it’s come to an end.’

He really is thick as mince.

He’s laid everyone off from the academy and has justified not paying them because they’re all awaiting redundancy, money he probably doesn’t have.

As with Fenty though, there will be people who defend him…

Isn’t the aim of all football academy’s to make money, be it through development of players and selling those players on…

This Dave bloke really is a flipping helmet…

This Dave is as thick as 2 shorts planks and becoming increasingly volatile

It sounds bonkers that facebook group

Is Herbert still just basically relaying Dodgy D's requests on there after his 'late night calls ' with him or whatever he was on about ?

Iron Insider - 'Hilton wants to get through the season by recruiting 10-15 new board members to invest and make up the shortfall in cashflow , he knows in reality we will be kicked out of GP shortly after Xmas at best ,and playing at Trinity . He thinks without a ground it will give him greater leverage against local authority and other forms of funding to build a new one in a shorter time period than normal with us being homeless ' the clubs future more than likely hangs on this '

Iron Insiders info in the main have been pretty accurate - it will be interesting if this one is on the money

i cant find this group anywhere on facebook, i really want to see the loon in action

Quoted from aldi_01

He really is thick as mince.

He’s laid everyone off from the academy and has justified not paying them because they’re all awaiting redundancy, money he probably doesn’t have.

As with Fenty though, there will be people who defend him…

Isn’t the aim of all football academy’s to make money, be it through development of players and selling those players on…

This Dave bloke really is a flipping helmet…

I'm not and was not Fenty's biggest fan but this bloke is taking it to a much higher level.

Quoted from Hagrid

i cant find this group anywhere on facebook, i really want to see the loon in action

You are probably blocked like me Hagrid - 'invisible to all cods & disbelievers'

Reminds me of that Derek and Clive sketch..

‘And I said to him with all the dignity I could muster, this is no way to run a f**cking ballroom.’

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1019664078503060/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=1691022678033860

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1019664078503060/?hoisted_section_header_type=recently_seen&multi_permalinks=1691022678033860

I'm also blocked from that site, for asking awkward questions.

After threatening Trinity's secretary and chairman ,and telling them he will end there club if they dont play ball,i don't think he will be welcome there anytime soon.

Quoted from RonMariner

Reminds me of that Derek and Clive sketch..

‘And I said to him with all the dignity I could muster, this is no way to run a f**cking ballroom.’

God, I love that sketch.

How low have the Scunts fallen, the owner /chairman using a Facebook group as his mouthpiece and posting a mouthful of abuse to anyone that questions his actions. We may have had a bad experience with a previous chairman but even he never acted like David White/Hilton is at the moment. What’s more alarming is that 99% of the fan base support him. UTM

Looking forward to seeing mental Dave in full action on Tuesday when we visit.

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Looking forward to seeing mental Dave in full action on Tuesday when we visit.

I hope you smash them mate . Their supporters arrogance about the league and their new owner are staggering. I’d be embarrassed to be a supporter of theirs .

A quick glance of that facebook page makes for interesting reading. I know the fishy has a few odd ones on it but their page is full of complete weirdos, it's like a personality cult with James Herbert as the lead disciple.

Quoted from gtfc98

A quick glance of that facebook page makes for interesting reading. I know the fishy has a few odd ones on it but their page is full of complete weirdos, it's like a personality cult with James Herbert as the lead disciple.

I know I over use the phrase but they are Simpletons mate and I hope for the sake of the club they are not the voice of the club

Quoted from gtfc98

A quick glance of that facebook page makes for interesting reading. I know the fishy has a few odd ones on it but their page is full of complete weirdos, it's like a personality cult with James Herbert as the lead disciple.

It's like an adult version of The Inbetweeners

Pop corn sales are up again .

Just read on twitter that Lincoln are setting up a youth development centre in Scunthorpe.

Assuming so, what a kick in the teeth for the Scunts & you have to admire the forward thinking by Lincoln.

Just wait till they offer to hire Glanford Park and play some games there, top trolling by the Imps

Quoted from bradzmilne

Just read on twitter that Lincoln are setting up a youth development centre in Scunthorpe.

Assuming so, what a kick in the teeth for the Scunts & you have to admire the forward thinking by Lincoln.

Lincoln are taking a lot of kids from around here too. Their Academy lead is local and does local coaching sessions. I'm not sure how kids end up in our academy but I've seen Lincoln, Leicester and Hull scouts at tournaments with my lad who is 6.

This is part of Lincoln extending their reach into the parts of Lincolnshire that are outside their heartland.

West and South of them is a bit more challenging because of the locality of other clubs. North though there's an opportunity. I feel for Scunthorpe as they're getting pillaged, both in terms of youth development and the next step will be the fanbase. But if someone is going to do it I would much rather we did it than Lincoln.

Quoted from diehardmariner

This is part of Lincoln extending their reach into the parts of Lincolnshire that are outside their heartland.

West and South of them is a bit more challenging because of the locality of other clubs. North though there's an opportunity. I feel for Scunthorpe as they're getting pillaged, both in terms of youth development and the next step will be the fanbase. But if someone is going to do it I would much rather we did it than Lincoln.

Both of them?

Quoted from bradzmilne

Just read on twitter that Lincoln are setting up a youth development centre in Scunthorpe.

Assuming so, what a kick in the teeth for the Scunts & you have to admire the forward thinking by Lincoln.

The same Lincoln who spun their recent revival around the cornerstone of community and doing good are now feeding off the carcass off Scunny's youth academy when the club is at its lowest point in years.

Stay classy, Lincoln.

This doesn't sit well with me and I'd be embarrassed if Town did it. Poach players that aren't being paid by all means. Work your way into the surrounding towns and villages that are located between yourselves too. But open up an academy in the town and push your initiatives in their schools and at local youth football clubs? Not a good look, in my opinion.

Flip of it is with the demise of Scunthorpe there's a huge population of young people without access and progression route to a professional academy set-up.

They aren't doing it for the good of the people of Scunthorpe, but it's win-win.  It's harsh as hell, but that's the consequence of burying your head in the sand, ignoring the fire around you as you complain about the time taken to put lids on coffee cups.

You say that it's ok to take the players who aren't getting paid, but what about the Academy staff who aren't getting paid?  Or the former Scunny Academy kids who aren't going to get developed?  Do they just get left at the kerb?

Scunthorpe United have left a gap in the market that is Scunthorpe itself.  That's their own doing.  There's even an argument about protectionism here with whoever makes the first move.  If we, Hull, Doncaster etc. make a move into Scunthorpe then we're a little bit closer to Lincoln.  A little bit closer to places like Gainsborough, Kirton.

As said, I feel for Scunthorpe as a place and for their true fans as it's just another nail in their coffin.  But it's good business sense for Lincoln to make moves there.  I'm just disappointed we've not stolen a march on it.

Giles & Cribb were 2 of their better youngsters by all accounts and I think we have snapped them up .

Jeez it's a truly mighty fall they have had, and I am guessing we haven't seen the worst of it yet. I would be heart broken if this was happening to Town.

Quoted from Son of Cod

The same Lincoln who spun their recent revival around the cornerstone of community and doing good are now feeding off the carcass off Scunny's youth academy when the club is at its lowest point in years.

Stay classy, Lincoln.

This doesn't sit well with me and I'd be embarrassed if Town did it. Poach players that aren't being paid by all means. Work your way into the surrounding towns and villages that are located between yourselves too. But open up an academy in the town and push your initiatives in their schools and at local youth football clubs? Not a good look, in my opinion.

To be fair it’s an odd one though as I know one of the lads who’s gone through Scunny’s system was rejected by Lincoln very early on so they seem to be picking up a system that’s only good enough for their cast offs! Not sure it’ll pick too many more up for them if that’s the case so it could be quite a costly set up for very little dividends.

We owe Scunthorpe United nothing, absolutely nothing. I say make hay while the sun shines just like they did when we were on our bottom . intercourse em

Quoted from Son of Cod

The same Lincoln who spun their recent revival around the cornerstone of community and doing good are now feeding off the carcass off Scunny's youth academy when the club is at its lowest point in years.

Stay classy, Lincoln.

This doesn't sit well with me and I'd be embarrassed if Town did it. Poach players that aren't being paid by all means. Work your way into the surrounding towns and villages that are located between yourselves too. But open up an academy in the town and push your initiatives in their schools and at local youth football clubs? Not a good look, in my opinion.

Alternatively, they’re giving the youngsters of Scunthorpe an opportunity to play academy football.

If Scunthorpe don’t have an academy set up, who are they poaching these players from?

I don’t understand the moral argument in this context.

Quoted from bradzmilne

Alternatively, they’re giving the youngsters of Scunthorpe an opportunity to play academy football.

If Scunthorpe don’t have an academy set up, who are they poaching these players from?

I don’t understand the moral argument in this context.

There is no moral argument. Academy football is cut throat and anyone allowing their children to enter into it with out know that deserve all they get . It’s brutal .

I don’t really know if being a lower league footballer is a good career choice . Probably better playing at a high level of non league and having a career alongside

Scunthorpe United 1-1 Peterborough Sports. FT. Still wonder if they are going to walk their League.

Quoted from 123614

Scunthorpe United 1-1 Peterborough Sports. FT.

Does anyone on here give a excrement?

Quoted from Humbercod

Does anyone on here give a excrement?

Probably, seeing as there are over 300 pages of this thread so far.

Quoted from 123614

Probably, seeing as there are over 300 pages of this thread so far.

The irony is, town fans (who were extremely passive whilst our own dogshit owner copulated the club) have actually made some great observations and asked the questions scunny fans should be asking.

People do care because rivalry aside, they’re a club that mean something to people and it’s been run terribly and to some degree, still is, albeit by another idiot.

It’s great they only drew a league game at home to a Sunday league team but to be honest, I’m not arsed if they get a double bounce promotion. I know who I’d rather play out of Crawley or Scunny, Salford or Scunny, Harrogate or Scunny etc…

Quoted from aldi_01

The irony is, town fans (who were extremely passive whilst our own dogshit owner copulated the club) have actually made some great observations and asked the questions scunny fans should be asking.

People do care because rivalry aside, they’re a club that mean something to people and it’s been run terribly and to some degree, still is, albeit by another idiot.

It’s great they only drew a league game at home to a Sunday league team but to be honest, I’m not arsed if they get a double bounce promotion. I know who I’d rather play out of Crawley or Scunny, Salford or Scunny, Harrogate or Scunny etc…

100% with you Aldi.
Some fantastic comments, posts and opinions on this thread. I have always said I never want them to go bust. At first I was hoping and happy for them to stay where they are but now reading your comment I'm with you on it. I'd much prefer Grimsby v Scunny than Vs crawley on Salford.

A quick look on Blast Furnace sees a couple of Scunts slagging off McAtee now. Think they should be looking closer to home after yesterdays result.

This has gone quiet since they are doing well in the pub league .
Anyway , they are in Leeds court at 1000 on 29/8 over the ground so could be interesting. They have also only been issued with a ground safety certificate for 2200 but are letting over 3000 in , could also be interesting.

Quoted from supertown

This has gone quiet since they are doing well in the pub league .
Anyway , they are in Leeds court at 1000 on 29/8 over the ground so could be interesting. They have also only been issued with a ground safety certificate for 2200 but are letting over 3000 in , could also be interesting.

I noticed they've had about 3400 for both home games. Is there any evidence the safety certificate restricts attendances to 2k or is that just based on the rumour on here?

No , it’s from a person in the know

Yeah it is factual .

I don't even understand though is the SAG literally just an advisory group so can't actually implement any sort of restriction on the clubs capacity or can they literally shut stadiums down ?

I'm more asking in general , not just about Scunny .

Sorry if it's a dumb question , I honestly had never heard of them until recently , because wasn't it them who asked us to replace the roof ?

Could the Pontoon have been shut down if we had refused to replace ?

And are the rules different for different leagues / clubs etc ?

My thoughts are that you need a safety certificate to operate and have to comply with it otherwise you will be closed down . Safety is safety whatever league you are in surely

Is the safety certificate down to the local authority, who ask relevant bodies for advice before they issue one?

If this is true I wonder why health and safety are not investigating.

Quoted from DB

If this is true I wonder why health and safety are not investigating.

Probably got the answer already ....if this is true.....

Safety usually comes in either absolute duty or recommended....you can essentially run around recommended until something goes wrong whereas an absolute duty and usually in safety language that is listed as a "must" then you have to.
If its true...if..... then they are either working with them on an improvement plan or whoever is enforcing it is incompetent.

I think its an untrue personally.

I really can't be bothered to read all of the attached, but this 2000 business is clearly a baseless rumour. It's inconceivable that the local authority would enforce it
https://sgsa.org.uk/safety-certification/

Quoted from buckstown

I really can't be bothered to read all of the attached, but this 2000 business is clearly a baseless rumour. It's inconceivable that the local authority would enforce it
https://sgsa.org.uk/safety-certification/

All I can say is my Info is from someone high up in the Scunny trust 🤷🏼‍♂️

Quoted from supertown

All I can say is my Info is from someone high up in the Scunny trust 🤷🏼‍♂️

If it's true, they surely have a moral duty to publish that in the public domain?

At both home games they’ve seemingly stopped people entering the Donnie Road end when it’s clearly not full. That’s come straight from a Scunny fan who literally saw it happen. The performances are also masking the ongoing issues off the pitch which, in truth, could still see the club go under or end up playing on Ploggers.

There’s still a divide between fans and some of the fan base are embarrassing themselves; Hilton/White whatever he’s called this week, left the match on Saturday in his Rolls Royce 4x4 to chants of his name from fans, even though he’s still lying to them. After essentially sacking loads of staff and not paying them, fans supported Hilton, not the people now out of work.

And yesterday, some absolute crevice has suggested they sing a song over the weekend to the tune of a Savage Garden song, I excrement you not. I can’t post images but have a look, it’s out there. It’s flipping tragic. Almost feels like someone in an abusive relationship,..

The start of court proceedings to repossess the ground is at the end of the month .

The local labour councillor has confirmed an agreement is in place with Gainsborough if (when) the inevitable happens .

Mr David obviously wants to drag it out at GP as long as possible , it's a case of when not if they are playing away every week .

All the fans cheering Mr D in his Borrowed Rolla are just simpletons who deserve all what is coming to the club . As for the directors who have got involved they should of known better imo

It seems the stars have aligned for Scunny to ground share with Gainsborough, only 3 dates when both sides have a home fixture at the same time - 24th October, 2nd March and 13th April.

Not sure why it would be the local Labour councillor who's announcing that, but it's a marked changed of tone from Gainsborough if they're willing to ground share. I just hope they've stocked the correct confectionery and have removed waste from their hot drink production line...

Quoted from diehardmariner

I just hope they've stocked the correct confectionery and have removed waste from their hot drink production line...

And trained the servers to make sure that they don’t put the kids on to save time, don’t forget!

At the end of the day, the rent and wages have to be paid regardless of whether you rent the ground from Swan or Gainsborough.

If I was anything to do with Gainsborough I would demand rent in advance or they don't play there.

The 1899 scheme as been rebranded to the 100 Benefits for personal members are as follows:

> Never have to buy a home match ticket again!
         - FREE lifetime, non-transferrable season ticket
         - FREE admission to all pre-season friendlies and cup matches
         - FREE upgrade to the Executive Club and Players Lounge
> 15% discount on all club shop purchases
> Direct access to the Board of Directors through quarterly meetings
> A framed Share Certificate confirming you are a shareholder in Scunthorpe United Football Club, with 50 shares worth £1,000 allocated to you from the football club, and otherwise unavailable to purchase

Don’t think you can give supporters free or reduced price tickets for cup games

I'm fully expecting Hiltons bluff to be called , as according to Iron Insider Swann has sorted all the legals out that Hilton alleged were stopping him handing over the cash .

Quoted from diehardmariner

It seems the stars have aligned for Scunny to ground share with Gainsborough, only 3 dates when both sides have a home fixture at the same time - 24th October, 2nd March and 13th April.

Not sure why it would be the local Labour councillor who's announcing that, but it's a marked changed of tone from Gainsborough if they're willing to ground share. I just hope they've stocked the correct confectionery and have removed waste from their hot drink production line...

I am reliably informed there is no agreement for Scunny to play at Gainsborough this season but they are expected to share next season. Gains contact believes Scunny have contract agreed to play at Glumford Park this season but no doubt the court case will clarify this in due course.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

I am reliably informed there is no agreement for Scunny to play at Gainsborough this season but they are expected to share next season. Gains contact believes Scunny have contract agreed to play at Glumford Park this season but no doubt the court case will clarify this in due course.

That new ground of theirs is gonna have to get a move on then . If they don’t get promoted this season they’ll be ducked any way

Quoted from It Bites

That new ground of theirs is gonna have to get a move on then . If they don’t get promoted this season they’ll be ducked any way

Yeah, have the diggers gone in yet ? What’s he got about 18 months left to deliver

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

I am reliably informed there is no agreement for Scunny to play at Gainsborough this season but they are expected to share next season. Gains contact believes Scunny have contract agreed to play at Glumford Park this season but no doubt the court case will clarify this in due course.

If there is a contract for this season then Swann must have agreed to it - in which case why is there need for a Court case?

Quoted from supertown

Yeah, have the diggers gone in yet ? What’s he got about 18 months left to deliver

About 20 I think , would have to be the quickest build from start of the process to finish in history .

I'm sure the script is - they get made homeless , play at Gainsborough , Hilton tries to pressure local authority etc into building them a new ground quickly with the threat of the town having no club without others funding it .

Seems like he's starting to pile up CCJ's to ,which is never a good sign .

They are in such a mess

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

If there is a contract for this season then Swann must have agreed to it - in which case why is there need for a Court case?

My Gainsborough contact believes that there is an agreement for Scunny this season as they have been approached about ground sharing next season and that Scunny believe new ground will be in place for 2025. So clearly the latter is unlikely, nay impossible, so how truthful Scunny have been with Gainsborough god only knows.

Quoted from grimsby pete

If I was anything to do with Gainsborough I would demand rent in advance or they don't play there.

Apparently they're charging the player £5 each (£3 for subs) pre match and handing it over before kick off

Quoted from supertown

Yeah, have the diggers gone in yet ? What’s he got about 18 months left to deliver

He's not even at planning permission stage. I doubt he has even bought the land yet.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

He's not even at planning permission stage. I doubt he has even bought the land yet.

What do you honestly think Mr D’s end game / plan is because let’s face it he’s got most of us lot questioning everything

I can’t believe any Scunny fans are genuinely stupid enough to believe that this bloke could deliver a new stadium. He clearly doesn’t have the funds available to buy the basic one the club currently use so how’s he going to fund buying enough land and building a suitable stadium in such a short time frame?

"If you (can) build it, they will come..."

Seem to be getting it right on the pitch. Just need to get the rest of it on track now, but he comes across as a dubious character to say the least.

As far as I can see, planning hasn't even been submitted. I added the word "yet" to that sentence but deleted it as that implies that I think it will get to planning stage.

https://apps.northlincs.gov.uk/

Quoted from ginnywings

Seem to be getting it right on the pitch. Just need to get the rest of it on track now, but he comes across as a dubious character to say the least.

I went to see Peterborough sports v spennymoor at the weekend and if they don’t p8ss that league then there are massive problems. Apart from a few sporadic moments the quality was very poor, and they only drew at home to Peterborough sports!

Hilton as of today is 100% confident that the stadium will be built in 20 month , in time for the 25/26 season .

Sweet jesus

1 round away from their chance of a dream FA Cup draw. Grimsby (Borough) v Scunthorpe.

The happy clappers are happy again.

https://www.iron-bru.co.uk/forums/topic/update-from-dh/#post-270286

I'm just pleased he's not rectracting his stadium delivery date .

Everyone bar him and those happy clappers would look very silly if he somehow made history on his timescale .

Well he's given himself just over a year to start and finish the new stadium! A bit ambitious I would guess.

If, and it's a big IF he does manage to facilitate a new ground, it's unlikely it will be started in 18 months, never mind finished.

Have they even bought the land?

Quoted from Mappers

Have they even bought the land?

Nope it’s still a tip that will take years to decontaminate. Even Asda back heeled the site

Quoted from Mappers

Have they even bought the land?

Don't know, I don't even know the location of the land for the new ground.

Quoted from It Bites

Nope it’s still a tip that will take years to decontaminate. Even Asda back heeled the site

So where exactly is the proposed new site for the ground.

Quoted from 123614

So where exactly is the proposed new site for the ground.

Glebe Road wherever that is .

Quoted from 123614

I don't see any applications for planning permission for a stadium in Glebe Road, checking back to 2021.

That’s cause it’s all bull excrement mate

Says they’re putting an application together now and hoping to have a spade in the ground by Spring. Absolutely off-the-charts level of bullshít going on.

Actually, just had another look at that post and it says that planning permission is being prepared.

Quoted from 123614

Well he's given himself just over a year to start and finish the new stadium! A bit ambitious I would guess.

Yes...I can remember another local club director only a few seasons back claiming their club would be in a new ground playing Championship football inside 5 yrs.......🫣......
makes you wonder how these people ever made some sort of business success in their lives.

Anyone buying into a lifetime season ticket or membership of anything should have contract solicitor read the contract .I signed up to pay £1500 to the Body Studio in Orwell st .Guess what it was only while it was under the current ownership .When the business was taken over my lifetime membership ceased

Where does it end though ?

I can't see it being at GP or this new pipe dream site (within 5 years , if ever )

Quoted from Norseman

Anyone buying into a lifetime season ticket or membership of anything should have contract solicitor read the contract .I signed up to pay £1500 to the Body Studio in Orwell st .Guess what it was only while it was under the current ownership .When the business was taken over my lifetime membership ceased

It was pretty disgusting what happened there when oasis bought the gym, I did feel for people. With hindsight, it was very naive to sign up to it, but in those days I don’t think society was that used to companies reneging on deals, and businesses going bust (not that that happened in this case, but you know what I mean) it just didn’t happen that often pre-2008.

Quoted from Heisenberg

It was pretty disgusting what happened there when oasis bought the gym, I did feel for people. With hindsight, it was very naive to sign up to it, but in those days I don’t think society was that used to companies reneging on deals, and businesses going bust (not that that happened in this case, but you know what I mean) it just didn’t happen that often pre-2008.

In my opinion, not the fault of Oasis. Jimmy was selling lifelong memberships even when he new it was going mammaries up. !!

Surely there isn’t a scunny fan alive that’s dumb enough to think those lifelong season tickets are a good deal? It’s nothing more than a short term money maker and it’s had little interest in truth.

Much like the sticking plaster solution for the new board members, it’s not a sensible or sustainable model and provides a few hundred grand now, which, if documents and murmurings suggest, will last a few weeks.

The decent start is just masking the real issues and still, sensible fans asking questions are being ridiculed because Hilton or whatever he calls himself this week is some alleged saviour…

Swann was/is a girl private, Hilton is no different…

Quoted from Norseman

Anyone buying into a lifetime season ticket or membership of anything should have contract solicitor read the contract .I signed up to pay £1500 to the Body Studio in Orwell st .Guess what it was only while it was under the current ownership .When the business was taken over my lifetime membership ceased

This is what I don't understand, maybe I'm thick but, how can he give out free lifetime season tickets, what happens when he leaves and someone else buys the club, are they going to honour that, or indeed do they have to honour that as new owners?

Quoted from 123614

This is what I don't understand, maybe I'm thick but, how can he give out free lifetime season tickets, what happens when he leaves and someone else buys the club, are they going to honour that, or indeed do they have to honour that as new owners?

he's making it up as he goes along Bear, i did have sympathy with them to begin with, but I'd say the majority are now all for Dodgy Dave so let it come crashing down

In the highly unlikely likelihood* that it's all legit, £1899 for a lifetime season ticket is a bargain.

*of course this likelihood is less so than finding a winning lottery ticket at the back of the same wardrobe you use to get to Narnia.

So there is a question on the "1899 membership rebranded as the 100 club" thread in Blast Furnace Forum that was posted12 hours ago, wonder why no one has answered it!

FT Curzon Ashton 1-0 Scunny 8)

Quoted from promotion plaice

FT Curzon Ashton 1-0 Scunny 8)

Listening to Jimmy Dean blaming the pitch for the loss was quite entertaining.

Quoted from promotion plaice

FT Curzon Ashton 1-0 Scunny 8)

Blimey Curzon normally average between 250-300 tops, that’s Grantham Town standard attendances …. a bit of a culture shock for Scunny fans yesterday, I’m not sure Town or the Imps suffered such depths?

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Blimey Curzon normally average between 250-300 tops, that’s Grantham Town standard attendances …. a bit of a culture shock for Scunny fans yesterday, I’m not sure Town or the Imps suffered such depths?

I’d say losing 5-0 to Braintree was an equal low point even though a league above

Curzon Ashton sounds like a pretty little village. Any scunts on here: did it have a shop or a pub? And did you all get parked okay in the parish hall car park😅😅

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Blimey Curzon normally average between 250-300 tops, that’s Grantham Town standard attendances …. a bit of a culture shock for Scunny fans yesterday, I’m not sure Town or the Imps suffered such depths?

The Curzon website lists the attendance as;

Attendance – 868 (635 Away) .

Scunny shocked that a pub league isn't run to professional standards.

It's like booking a flight on RyanAir and then grumbling that that the caviar isn't up to scratch.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Scunny shocked that a pub league isn't run to professional standards.

It's like booking a flight on RyanAir and then grumbling that that the caviar isn't up to scratch.

Cue Scunts fans rapidly googling 'caviar' to find out what it is >:( >:(

Quoted from Mallyner

The Curzon website lists the attendance as;

Attendance – 868 (635 Away) .

Hats off to their support then, we took a similar number to Walsall.

Quoted from moosey_club

Hats off to their support then, we took a similar number to Walsall.

Yes, but their fans presumed they’d win 6-0.

I may be wrong but they've never really travelled well but now all of a sudden when they should 'win every week' (their words) they have started to turn up. Bizarre.

Makes the loss even funnier when you see the conditions, no way on earth that game should have continued , pitch was absolutely waterlogged, ball wouldn't run, players couldn't kick it definitely dangerous.......well played ref 😄

Interesting, Scarboro all in black, ref and linos all in black.

Weird, they score then all the team walk over to the bench to get a drink. Looks like they seem to think they can make their own rules in this league.

HT: Scunts 2-0 Scarboro

Over 4,000 at the game. They're all coming out the woodwork now the team can win games albeit against Sunday pub teams

Quoted from lukeo

now the team can win games albeit against Sunday pub teams

Well.....not every week

If scunny don't walk that league and get promoted with the squad they have assembled there is something very wrong

There's something very wrong anyway

Even if they get promoted , how are they going to fund a tilt at the NL ?

There are about 10 well financed clubs in that , you would think they would be mid table at best really . I can't see them back in the league again anytime soon - if they actually survive that is .

Quoted from Davec

If scunny don't walk that league and get promoted with the squad they have assembled there is something very wrong

There's something very wrong anyway

They will

Iron’s ground hearing set for High Court, Leeds Tuesday.

https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/443639/irons-ground-hearing-set-for-court/

Quoted from GrimPol

Iron’s ground hearing set for High Court, Leeds Tuesday.

https://www.thenonleaguefootballpaper.com/latest-news/443639/irons-ground-hearing-set-for-court/

It reads as if Hilton is hanging in there hoping for a delay.

I am not a betting man but I bet the decision will be delay delay delay.

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Scunthorpe are currently paying Swann 7p a week for Glanford Park, according to todays hearing.

Bloody rip off.

Quoted from bradzmilne

Scunthorpe are currently paying Swann 7p a week for Glanford Park, according to todays hearing.

Bloody rip off.

I thought Hilton said he was/would pay Swann 20k a month to rent it ?

Quoted from Mappers

I thought Hilton said he was/would pay Swann 20k a month to rent it ?

He’s said a lot of things.

Quoted from Mappers

I thought Hilton said he was/would pay Swann 20k a month to rent it ?

He’s also been quoted as leaving the hearing saying “No comment. Go away.” to a journalist from The Athletic.

Seems an odd guy.

Quoted from Mappers

I thought Hilton said he was/would pay Swann 20k a month to rent it ?

20K is 20 Kenyan Shillings = 11p sterling. Seems near enough 8)

They will get kicked out won't they .

If they actually do build that new ground , you can't help but think it will be a far cry from the thing Mr David says he is going to build .

Quoted from bradzmilne

Scunthorpe are currently paying Swann 7p a week for Glanford Park, according to todays hearing.

Bloody rip off.

Aren't the club paying Hilton 7p a week for sub-letting the ground?

Looks like Hilton has outmanoeuvred Swann in getting the can kicked down the road. He’s got GP for most of the season. He’s spent a lot on the squad which it’s well above NLN standard so he’s got the fans behind him. The financial reckoning is still to come though. At some point there will have to back rent paid for GP - seems like that will go to mediation. In the meantime Swann, via Coolsilk, will have to keep paying the mortgage, he will be incurring financial pain. On the face of it I’d say Swann’s lawyers haven’t performed very well. Hilton offered £3 million and completion was set for May. The interim Lease should have been watertight - no sale completion by x date and you are out.

This probably delays things enough for them to see the season out, providing they can continue to fund themselves.  In fairness, the gates they're getting at the minute are going to be a huge boost towards that!

After that, intercourse knows.  Swann, or Coolsilk, still own the ground don't they?  I thought the court case was more about the occupancy of it than ownership.  In such case it's just a matter of time before he can kick the club out, at great expense to both parties I may add.   Building a new ground for next season isn't do-able, pipedream or not it just won't happen.

Ground sharing with Trinity or AN Other isn't going to help any cause one bit.  There isn't a fan base in the world that holds firm when the club has to play in another town.  Brighton, Coventry, Wimbledon, Charlton...the list could go on forever of the impact it has.  4,000 in the Conf. North is great.  How many will trek down to Gainsborough next season? 2,000 in the Conference soon becomes very small and unsustainable, especially with what you imagine are some of the contracts they've dished out.

Saddest thing to see is that they seem to keep giving themselves (blind) hope all the time.  No doubting it, the majority of their fans are idiots for believing that Hilton is going to guide them to anything but oblivion, but it's hard to not pity them as he leads them off the cliff when he's the only one with a parachute.

Surely this plan backfires if they don't go up? Will be interesting to see if they don't win it, end up in the playoffs, and then lose how bad the gamble is/will be.

Will still be eagerly keeping an eye on their results every week hoping for an L- can't seem to help myself!

UTM

Is that Sherbet bloke still Hiltons PA ?

Comical really

Still can't get my head around why Hilton wants a new ground cost £20 million +when £3 million was agreed to buy Glumford.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Still can't get my head around why Hilton wants a new ground cost £20 million +when £3 million was agreed to buy Glumford.

Because he doesn't have the money to buy GP and the new ground talk is just to keep the airheads in the fanbase on side. Grandiose visions and plans with no substance behind them, a distraction technique.

I believe the technical term is 'All fur coat and no knickers'.

Or in this case, 'All fur coat, no knickers and absolutely riddled with STI's'.

Mr Hilton use a legal firm called "WILDCAT LAW" to represent him. ;D

Quoted from diehardmariner

I believe the technical term is 'All fur coat and no knickers'.

Or in this case, 'All fur coat, no knickers and absolutely riddled with STI's'.

Leave my partner out of this.

So reading the above Scunthorpe United pay Hilton 7p per week, Hilton has promised according to this thread to pay Swann £20k per month. It looks as if Hilton is trading as 2 separate companies, 1 being his agreement with Swann and a separate company being the football club which now has no connection with Swann.

Come March time I wonder if squatters' rights will come into force and which slippery eel will win.

I can't have been the only one to have noticed that, yet again, what it was reported that Hilton was saying when this legal action started differs somewhat as to what the court was told and BBC reporters where saying was the current situation. Either this chap has the worse kind of luck with people misrepresenting what he says, or.....

https://www.sfo.gov.uk/2016/02/04/two-convicted-fraudsters-returned-to-prison/

Nice to see Hilton/white or whatever his name is had a credible parent to lean on…

Quoted from DB

So reading the above Scunthorpe United pay Hilton 7p per week, Hilton has promised according to this thread to pay Swann £20k per month. It looks as if Hilton is trading as 2 separate companies, 1 being his agreement with Swann and a separate company being the football club which now has no connection with Swann.

Come March time I wonder if squatters' rights will come into force and which slippery eel will win.

Are squatters allowed to invite two or three thousand mates round every couple of weeks?

Looks like Mr D is running scared of a trial and wants to resolve it before then . Tbf he’s done well to get this far with it .

Hilton/white, whatever his name is has some other stuff that’s likely to affect him coming over the hill of rumours are to be believed.

The continued blind faith of some scunny fans is flipping mind blowing though…

Over on Facebook, their deluded fans are considering a crowd funder to pay Hilton's legal fees!

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Over on Facebook, their deluded fans are considering a crowd funder to pay Hilton's legal fees!

Nothing wrong with that , if that’s what they want to do .

Quoted from supertown

Nothing wrong with that , if that’s what they want to do .

I guess he needs someone to help him put fuel in they Roller 4x4…

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Are squatters allowed to invite two or three thousand mates round every couple of weeks?

Probably ok if they are all related? :)

Quoted from lee65

Probably ok if they are all related? :)

And could quite easily be ;)

Quoted from aldi_01

Hilton/white, whatever his name is has some other stuff that’s likely to affect him coming over the hill of rumours are to be believed.

The continued blind faith of some scunny fans is flipping mind blowing though…

This court adjournment has boosted some into thinking that everything Hilton has said was right. Never mind, that he hasn't yet won the case, isn't paying Swann £20k a month in rent (as said) and that ground issues were once dismissed as rumours.

I don't know what these rumours about things to come are. I am aware of certain details about David's history.

Quoted from aldi_01

Hilton/white, whatever his name is has some other stuff that’s likely to affect him coming over the hill of rumours are to be believed.

The Donald Trump of Scunthorpe?

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

This court adjournment has boosted some into thinking that everything Hilton has said was right. Never mind, that he hasn't yet won the case, isn't paying Swann £20k a month in rent (as said) and that ground issues were once dismissed as rumours.

I don't know what these rumours about things to come are. I am aware of certain details about David's history.

Was he the original "Dodgy Dave?" :)

Sensational stuff today. 1-0 down at home to Buxton they played against ten men for the entire second half before finally equalising on 82. Before conceding to go behind again in the 83rd. Scunny then missed a 93rd minute penalty.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Sensational stuff today. 1-0 down at home to Buxton they played against ten men for the entire second half before finally equalising on 82. Before conceding to go behind again in the 83rd. Scunny then missed a 93rd minute penalty.

Then match abandoned 96th minute!

Match abandoned being said now 😂😂 how tin pot is that .

Was listening to the end of the game on the way home from Bradford, it was comedy gold especially the end when the commentator didn't have a clue what was going on >:( >:(

Quoted from It Bites

Match abandoned being said now 😂😂 how tin pot is that .

It’s a 10 on the tinpot scale…

The ref blew the final whistle in injury time , in my book he has ended the game . This should be interesting

Quoted from It Bites

The ref blew the final whistle in injury time , in my book he has ended the game . This should be interesting

The Buxton lads were celebrating a win albeit he blew before the full amount of added time had been played. I suppose Scunthorpe might have a case if he blew early.

Why was it abandoned ??

Quoted from Civvy at last

Why was it abandoned ??

Heavy rain

We know Scunthorpe is in its own part of the universe but seriously, as the rest of the UK baked they got this.

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Buxton's time wasting and alleged shithousery apparently caused the added time ironically , and looks like a replay. Could be tasty.

Haha, their game at Curzon looked similar and should have been abandoned but wasn't...pity the red couldn't have taken them 9ff for 10 mins with so little time remaining

Surely if they got to the 96th minute, they could have played out the last few minutes no matter how heavy the rain was.

Some stupid anus bragging about throwing a brick at the Refs car. Big fine heading their way if true

The sun only shines on the righteous.

Buxton would have gone 6th with a win today. If this game is replayed, I doubt Buxton will win. People keep talking about the result stands after 75 minutes but Darlington v Boston had to be replayed a couple of years ago after being abandoned in the 85th minute due to a freak injury.

The Boston manager for that game was the current Buxton manager, Craig Elliott!

Operation urine the league slipping up a bit (thumbup2)

I see the outcome is still undecided on this as the Non League are awaiting the referees report before giving a decision on whether the score stands or a replay will be required.
I reckon they may rubber stamp the result 😄

Quoted from moosey_club

I see the outcome is still undecided on this as the Non League are awaiting the referees report before giving a decision on whether the score stands or a replay will be required.
I reckon they may rubber stamp the result 😄

Yeah I do . The rules say the league can allow the result if the wish

As long as the ref is reprimanded, even suspended,(ppfff). Apparently he blew and took the ball down the tunnel giving no indication of what was happening. Fans went home thinking it was 2-1, both clubs updated their websites and social media with the result and the league tables were updated accordingly.
Can't imagine what goes on every match day down at that level.

Here’s an unlocked link to the Athletic article today - they seem to think Mr. David is a convicted fraudster (which wouldn’t surprise me!)

https://archive.ph/IvCe5

So many incredibly poor reffing decisions on Saturday. How about this one. Guessing the ref didn't 'want to spoil the occasion' Brizzle Rovers style but how does he explain this to the assessors?

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Quoted from Brummie Codfather

Here’s an unlocked link to the Athletic article today - they seem to think Mr. David is a convicted fraudster (which wouldn’t surprise me!)

https://archive.ph/IvCe5

Thank you for the article which made interesting reading. It's a bit similar to them hanging onto the last thread of last season. The team may be in a good position in the NLN but the club is hanging on by threads and appears doomed one way or another.

Quoted from Brummie Codfather

Here’s an unlocked link to the Athletic article today - they seem to think Mr. David is a convicted fraudster (which wouldn’t surprise me!)

https://archive.ph/IvCe5

A really interesting read!

The fact that such a well known, international publication conducted this investigation and was happy to publish it (presumably after going through a number of lawyers) should set off alarm bells for the Scunny fans who have buried their heads in the sand. I can’t imagine it will be a one-off either and it may end up shedding much more light on what is going on there.

Quoted from Marinerdan

A really interesting read!

The fact that such a well known, international publication conducted this investigation and was happy to publish it (presumably after going through a number of lawyers) should set off alarm bells for the Scunny fans who have buried their heads in the sand. I can’t imagine it will be a one-off either and it may end up shedding much more light on what is going on there.

I thought it was a slightly wishy-washy piece of journalism, replete with relatively little new information, but ultimately I am sure that their investigation satisfied that they have access to greater legal resources than Hilton.

Their fans will add The Athletic to their list of culprits when they demise ,alongside Cods , Swann and Bury fans .

Their race is run .

Quoted from HatTrickHero

So many incredibly poor reffing decisions on Saturday. How about this one. Guessing the ref didn't 'want to spoil the occasion' Brizzle Rovers style but how does he explain this to the assessors?

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I think that's fine tbh. Looks to me like he's forgotten where he was rather than done it deliberately to stop a goal (there's no immediate threat really).

Quoted from Abdul19

I think that's fine tbh. Looks to me like he's forgotten where he was rather than done it deliberately to stop a goal (there's no immediate threat really).

It happened at a Newport game last season - seems to be an issue of spacial awareness on pitches where there are lines painted for rugby. The Luke Summerfield one however is totally bizarre:

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Quoted from Abdul19

I think that's fine tbh. Looks to me like he's forgotten where he was rather than done it deliberately to stop a goal (there's no immediate threat really).

I see what you mean but it's another potential grey area if abused. Is every ref told to take into account there could be a problem in the keepers spacial awareness... if he swipes the ball off the toe of a striker about to score could he still claim that he'd lost his bearings? What if a keeper does this twice, or more in a game?
Good basic honesty from the all of the players would solve this of course. Hmm..

Quoted from SpiritOf98

I see what you mean but it's another potential grey area if abused. Is every ref told to take into account there could be a problem in the keepers spacial awareness... if he swipes the ball off the toe of a striker about to score could he still claim that he'd lost his bearings? What if a keeper does this twice, or more in a game?
Good basic honesty from the all of the players would solve this of course. Hmm..

How did this get into a thread about Scunthorpe United?

Quoted from SpiritOf98

if he swipes the ball off the toe of a striker about to score could he still claim that he'd lost his bearings?

No, that would be completely different!

Quoted from 123614

How did this get into a thread about Scunthorpe United?

???

How did this get into a thread called 'Just Back' ? Almost like it's a forum with free discussion, maybe.

Quoted from 123614

Agreed. I did 3 years in the province during my 14 year stint in the Army, including 2 years in Londonderry when the troubles were at their worst, 1970/72. If you haven't walked the walk, don't try to talk the talk, you have no idea whatsoever.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1019664078503060/permalink/1708615512941243/

A FB thread on all this.

If you had any sense at all, you would see that it is in response to a post in that particular thread. Only been here 5 minutes and already made my block list. Congratulations.

Interview with Hilton.

The game's up.

https://soundcloud.com/sufcofficial-398987333/interview-david-hilton?si=a1a14d1f93f04bc1b6fd5d243a521b5a&utm_source=clipboard&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=social_sharing

They all still love him . He’s their only hope . The timing of the article was perfect though .

What a sob story, but finally the truth. I feel vindicated now, after getting kicked off their FB page for asking him questions he didn't like. I hope all his fanboys can see him for what he was, and the lies he told since taking over their club.

Can't imagine it looks good for their new super stadium ....

The only thing more bizarre than this story, is Scunthorpe fans on that post still saying 'David is an honest bloke'... when he's quite literally given an 18 minute interview explaining how he lied to fans about his fraud conviction.

Hard listen. He's an absolute bullshitter and they're absolutely copulated would be my initial hunch.

Sob story indeed. You own your ‘mistakes’, whether you like it or not, and when those mistakes amount to criminal fraud, the consequences will stay with you for evermore.

As much as I think these times of enlightenment on mental health are great, I will always dislike those who attempt to use it as a get out of jail free card whenever they’ve fúcked up. If I’d committed fraud every time I’ve suffered a serious bout of depression, I’d be serving a good couple of hundred years as I type. It’s got fúck all to do with depression or suicidality, and everything to do with being a crook.

And therein lies a problem for Scunny. Having admitted “15 different kinds of fraud” (if I heard that correctly), he surely now fails the ownership test and should never have been granted ownership by the authorities. Likewise, none of Hilton’s latest revelations do anything to provide proof of the existence and / or legitimacy of the funds at his disposal required to keep the club going.

One way or another, his ownership of Scunny looks set to end sooner rather than later. In what circumstances it remains to be seen, but it’s hard to envisage an exit that leaves the club in a better position than the dire straits they are already in.

Time to get that phoenix club fired up, I would suggest…

Pretty sure he will walk away before it's required he pays the beans for the ground won't he?

Quoted from Poojah

As much as I think these times of enlightenment on mental health are great, I will always dislike those who attempt to use it as a get out of jail free card

Indeed, I suffered from anxiety and depression in my early 20's, followed by a PTSD diagnosis some years after leaving the Army. That didn't, and still hasn't turned me into a fraudster or any other kind of criminal, Just a poor excuse from a pathetic person.

I wonder if Jason Sherbet is still defending him to the hilt on that facebook page ?

Amazing how he only decides to open up, once hes been outed. Utter n total bulls hitter. I bet someone who knows the story inside out could pick that interview apart

Like all his other statements and claims it seems a little unwise to trash the Athletic like he does. It looks a very complete and well written piece. The bit that makes me very uncomfortable is his statement about his depression.

Because he is clearly very mentally in a bad way. But that can't sweep aside the burner accounts, wild claims and threats he made in conjunction with his mates, who perhaps should have intervened to help him when in such an obvious state rather than helping him in his nasty ways.
I'm sure the authorities will take into account his mental state to a point, but he's still a rogue businessman, a chancer who never knows when to stop.
For Scunny, I'd hope that Swann would back off a bit, thrash out as reasonable a deal as possible, get Hilton/White sorted and away from the club forever and maybe go down the local business consorteum toute they came close to before Hilton arrived.
It would be a modest, very modest buy out and the club will be lower league for some time with no spending power while debts are paid but honestly it would be a small miracle if Scunny come out the other side of this Swann/Hilton apocalypse at all as a functioning football club.
I hope they all get what they want/deserve/require out of this in time.

Quoted from Mappers

I wonder if Jason Sherbet is still defending him to the hilt on that facebook page ?

Yep he’s got Hilton down as the messiah.

As a naturally trusting person, I spent a large time listening to this and wondering whether actually there is a guy who wants to do well, has made mistakes but is genuinely looking to make a positive impact.

The I managed to snap back to reality and realise that this was his attempt at a masterful stroke of PR. I doubt it will work exactly how he see's it, but I imagine the Scunny fans who have invested their faith in him will swallow this whole, which is his main audience and intended target.

There is a minute possibility that what he is saying could actually be the truth, but I imagine he'll fail to see the harshness that when you lie, cheat and steal on the scale he has, people tend not to trust unless they're desperate themselves which in a footballing sense Scunny fans are.

The parts about the Rehab of Offenders Act is poignant as it serves as a very useful excuse and smokescreen to everything else. OK, he isn't obliged to divulge certain information, yet working in such a public space if he had genuine morals and learned from past experiences you'd like to believe he'd be open from the start and not risk a backlash such as this when the inevitable happens.

What isn't covered - and I'm sure it'll be for legal reasons - is the answers to more pressing general questions over funds, GP, new stadium etc. He's provided a well rehearsed and scripted piece to try and play on the gullible and desperate but what he's really done is confirm he's dishonest and should be cause enough for those Scunny fans marching to his beat to actually question the integrity of everything else and join in the worry for their club.

As many people on here have discussed, much as it's enjoyable seeing their plight on a rivalry footing, to lose them altogether isn't what people want and hopefully this swings the Scunny fans thought processes and gets them pushing for the real answers, however painful, so that they can apply whatever pressure is necessary to either get honest guys in or start thinking about a phoenix club.

Just listened to it and I hate how this shyster is using mental health as an excuse. It’s a genuine issue for people, not a get out of jail free card (pun intended).
The facts are he stole £64k from the council - the council’s money is the money paid in taxes by taxpayers in that area, he’s a thief.
He obviously is only admitting this because the Athletic ousted him in their article and he then has the cheek to say their article wasn’t in the public interest.
If he wanted in his words “a fair crack of the whip” one would suggest he should have been open an honest from the start.
Makes you wonder what else he’s hidden away - Scunnybare screwed with him in charge & their fan base need to wise up and take action soon or they’ll have absolutely nothing left.

What, if anything will the FA do about this can of worms?

Quoted from Mappers

Pretty sure he will walk away before it's required he pays the beans for the ground won't he?

Yes, that’s what I’m expecting. The strong squad they’ve assembled cannot be funded playing at Gainsborough Trinity, the new ground proposal is an even bigger pile of bull than our stadium plans ever were. The best hope is that some other developer buys Glanford Park and the land off Swann and leases the ground to some kind of Iron Trust entity that takes over the club. GP is everything - even if they were relegated again, they can and probably would come back to NL level eventually as long as they have the ground.

Be interesting to hear him interviewed by a journalist. A few questions I'd be asking are:

- Why has he aggressively denied this previously?
- Why was the money not there, as planned, to buy Glanford Park?
- How did he actually make his money after leaving prison?
- If there was absolutely no evidence against him the first time he was charged with fraud, how did it end up in court?
- Why has he changed his name multiple times?

What an absolute bullshitting scummer he really is…

Using mental health is unfortunately becoming the normal route for scumbags. It undermines totally the real ( and there are plenty) folk with these issues.
To my mind this is a guy who’s been found out and is about to jump ship. But blaming everyone but himself for this situation.

Utter disgrace of a human being

It wasn't me honest, it was someone who looked like me, talked like me, and changed their name like me. I'm really worried/stressed/anxious; yes that's it my mental health is at fault but it's not me, honest. Just believe me when I say it's not me.

That's it they are ganging up on me for no reason, but I want the best I really do but not for me but for you. That's right I want the best for you honest, after all anybody can make a small mistake in the past, £64K did someone say. That's not much and was a mistake the courts got it all wrong, there all against me, don't trust them.

I'm honest and doing it all for you, not for me, honest.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Be interesting to hear him interviewed by a journalist. A few questions I'd be asking are:

- Why has he aggressively denied this previously?
- Why was the money not there, as planned, to buy Glanford Park?
- How did he actually make his money after leaving prison?
- If there was absolutely no evidence against him the first time he was charged with fraud, how did it end up in court?
- Why has he changed his name multiple times?

I'd love to hear someone like Burnsey interview him.

Quoted from 123614

If you had any sense at all, you would see that it is in response to a post in that particular thread. Only been here 5 minutes and already made my block list. Congratulations.

I'd thank you for the congrats but you'd not see it, so I'll just look on in awe at the authority and voice of reason status you hold on this board while chuckling at your reputation points. *shrug*

Wow. “I decided to keep the funds”. As you do. Sympathy for any of their deluded fans still backing this shyster now is zero and if they do swallow this total bullsh!t then they deserve to go out of business.

Quoted from Mariner_09

I'd love to hear someone like Burnsey interview him.

Yes, almost everything has gone through Facebook. If the guy truly wants accountability then local media is the only option.

A man with a history of fraud and deceit now using mental health as an isssue and he wants us to believe him? Not only is that a real low but a huge disregard for people who are truly suffereing.

A big win for good investigative journalism imo. Also highlights what we’re missing now with the demise of local journalism. The Athletic generally covers top-level sport, so it’s lucky that in Matt Slater and Philip Buckingham we have a couple of journalists who were willing to chase a story from the lower leagues in such depth.

Before this story was published, most of the information was out there but could be easily dismissed by Hilton as social media rumour. Publishing via an outlet with some actual pedigree made all the difference and has forced Hilton to accept what he has been trying to hide.

Football clubs (especially full-time, professional football clubs) are important community assets. Their custodians ought to be held to a higher level of accountability than your average business owner due to their role in the community. Publishing was obviously in the public’s interest.

The numbers of people supporting him is astounding, and for that reason alone, I hope it goes flipping bang!

I’m all for redemption and his conviction is spent. He did his time, and I do believe in rehabilitation but, and it’s a flipping huge but, he’s still lying. He’s lied constantly about stadium developments, ownership of the club, clearly about wages and investment, the whole lot is a giant lie.

Do the EFL/FA/whoever have the legal authority to investigate spent convictions? If not, does this mean any prospective owner of a club can easily hide their criminal past by invoking the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act?

Quoted from aldi_01

The numbers of people supporting him is astounding, and for that reason alone, I hope it goes flipping bang!

I’m all for redemption and his conviction is spent. He did his time, and I do believe in rehabilitation but, and it’s a flipping huge but, he’s still lying. He’s lied constantly about stadium developments, ownership of the club, clearly about wages and investment, the whole lot is a giant lie.

I'm truly sorry to be the person that says this, but this is the Tory government over the past 5-10 years in a nutshell.

Self-serving scumbags, only ever thinking about themselves, seeking power and believing they should be untouchable while working their charm on the very people they've continued to shaft and deceive, to the degree where some of them actually think they've done good.

Hilton, like the government, will lie and deceive for personal gain. In the media, they paint the picture you want to see, they feed you lies, they deflect, they bury... until they are cornered. Then come the excuses, the 'not knowing' while still pleading that they always had good intentions.

The parallels are all too obvious, and all too familiar.

They lie to such a degree that some people are totally brainwashed into thinking that he (they) are still doing a good job, despite the massive inferno raging all around them. Scunny/the country is in its biggest mess in decades and yet Hilton/Tories will exploit people's worst prejudicies and suggest there's no alternative in one last effort to remain in power.

He’s been advised to play the victim by a lawyer perhaps ? Absolutely vile . If it was my own son I’d not except it but there you have it . Hundred of Scunthorpe fans are lapping it up and treating him as the second coming. Pathetic. Alex May wishes he’d had it this easy with the Grimsby Fans . Show some backbone you spineless set of victims

Quoted from DB

It wasn't me honest, it was someone who looked like me, talked like me, and changed their name like me. I'm really worried/stressed/anxious; yes that's it my mental health is at fault but it's not me, honest. Just believe me when I say it's not me.

That's it they are ganging up on me for no reason, but I want the best I really do but not for me but for you. That's right I want the best for you honest, after all anybody can make a small mistake in the past, £64K did someone say. That's not much and was a mistake the courts got it all wrong, there all against me, don't trust them.

I'm honest and doing it all for you, not for me, honest.

The Donald Trump defence. I do it for you, not for me.

Quoted from RichMariner

I'm truly sorry to be the person that says this, but this is the Tory government over the past 5-10 years in a nutshell.

Self-serving scumbags, only ever thinking about themselves, seeking power and believing they should be untouchable while working their charm on the very people they've continued to shaft and deceive, to the degree where some of them actually think they've done good.

Hilton, like the government, will lie and deceive for personal gain. In the media, they paint the picture you want to see, they feed you lies, they deflect, they bury... until they are cornered. Then come the excuses, the 'not knowing' while still pleading that they always had good intentions.

The parallels are all too obvious, and all too familiar.

They lie to such a degree that some people are totally brainwashed into thinking that he (they) are still doing a good job, despite the massive inferno raging all around them. Scunny/the country is in its biggest mess in decades and yet Hilton/Tories will exploit people's worst prejudicies and suggest there's no alternative in one last effort to remain in power.

Talking of Self Serving Scumbags, Remember Tony Blair?
Tony Blair who is now pulling Sir (Sir, the title is Hypocrisy for a Socialist) Kier Starmers strings.
Politicians of all colours are now a self serving breed, the majority are ex lawers, trained to lie and keep a straight face.

an ex player now has posted about Hilton not paying wages and taking money for pensions and them not being paid in

Tweet 1701251871736737941 will appear here...

Quoted from It Bites

Yep he’s got Hilton down as the messiah.

He’s not the messiah !!! He’s a very naughty boy !!!

There’s an astonishing amount of Scunny fans defending him. They are in for a big fall.

May he that is without sin cast the first stone. Who amongst us when at our lowest ebb hasn't defrauded others to the tune of tens of thousands, been incarcerated and changed our name multiple times before denying any of this ever happened? For me personally after the sudden and unexpected early death of my father, I ended up on crystal meth assistant managing the iMax in Bradford for like a year and a half.

I would have some sympathy for the Scunthorpe fans if they were being even remotely objective about their situation and the shyster in charge. However, the collective delusion and cognitive dissonance amongst their fanbase is astonishing. I understand that they're rather desperate but allowing a convicted crook who has continually lied to them to continue in charge will only lead them into further disarray. Even now that Hilton has finally acknowledged that the rumours about his past were all true I've seen some of them describe him as an "honest guy". In a few years it will be a fascinating case study in cult behaviour. Anyone that raises objections or valid points against Hilton is met with abuse. George Taft, an ex player, claimed today that he's not been paid and that money that should be put in to his pension has been taken out but not gone into his pension. Rather than accept that this is further evidence of Hilton being a charlatan, they turn on the victim and abuse them. They've had plenty of warnings about this guy from various people and from various things he's promised which have turned out to be a total lie yet they still rally round him and attack others who do call him out. Any sympathy I did have for them has gone out of the window. They will inevitably go bust with that wankstain in charge and I reckon it could be substantially longer than a decade until we play them in a league fixture again.

The saying "no smoke without fire" could have been coined for this scenario, and there is a massive plume over Glanford Park.

Look at the responses to Taft from a fair number of the Scunny fans.

Beyond delusion now. Feel for the real fans, the ones with brain cells. But this lot deserve to lose their club.

Tweet 1701128691953340683 will appear here...

Instant response is to go on the attack against Slater or Swann or anyone, just anything to defend Hilton.

How thick can you get?

Quoted from diehardmariner

Instant response is to go on the attack against Slater or Swann or anyone, just anything to defend Hilton.

How thick can you get?

I don't think that's fair. We are all capable of being in denial when it comes to the club we have supported all our lives.

Speaking as a mental health nurse for 38 years and having listened to the interview, I have to say that was the most brazenly manipulative explanation (if you can call it that) I have ever come across. I cringed when I heard him recount suicidal ideation...it made me want to throw up in disgust, quite frankly.

its not all bad news for them today.....they have got away with the potential loss on Saturday and have to replay the Buxton game in full.

Quoted from moosey_club

its not all bad news for them today.....they have got away with the potential loss on Saturday and have to replay the Buxton game in full.

Dont think it will matter weather they have to replay or not. They wont last the season anyway

Quoted from tarka

I don't think that's fair. We are all capable of being in denial when it comes to the club we have supported all our lives.

Speaking as a mental health nurse for 38 years and having listened to the interview, I have to say that was the most brazenly manipulative explanation (if you can call it that) I have ever come across. I cringed when I heard him recount suicidal ideation...it made me want to throw up in disgust, quite frankly.

He's a wrong un . And for the their fans to be defending him is unforgivable really - if one of the people / businesses he had ripped off had been their's i doubt they would feel the same way ; aside from that article he was ripping small to medium size businesses off on their rates which probably caused them no end of heartache .

God knows how many more scams he's had /has / will have on the go .

And he's got the cheek to come across as 'poor me '

Sod twit of the week , here we have tw*t of the year !

I knew of the existence of this article a few weeks ago, so should have been prepared, but it still stings. I am utterly despondent and have lost all hope.

I try not to be too hard on my fellow fans who want to believe, because they just want things to be better, but intercourse me. The delusions are ridiculous and I am bored of hearing how they're the best fans and anyone with concerns are 'moaners' or wanting the club dead. I realise sorting it out is a monumental task, and some don't want to face up to that reality, but we can't bury our heads in the sand. Which just makes me more despondent. We can't even think of a phoenix club, because so many want to believe in dodgy Dave and would see attempts as undermining the saviour.

I get that people deserve second chances, but he has destroyed any trust in that given his lies and attacks on those who discussed these rumours previously. While he bemoans his poor mental health (and I do sympathise with anyone who suffers), he has given no thought to others when he defrauded people and launched baseless attacks on those who run Iron Bru. So, the sympathy is very much limited from me.

I can only hope there's a knight in shining armour to buy the club off him, and he clears off to never be heard from again, but they're called fairy tales for a reason.

Quoted from Mappers

He's a wrong un . And for the their fans to be defending him is unforgivable really - if one of the people / businesses he had ripped off had been their's i doubt they would feel the same way ; aside from that article he was ripping small to medium size businesses off on their rates which probably caused them no end of heartache .

God knows how many more scams he's had /has / will have on the go .

And he's got the cheek to come across as 'poor me '

Sod twit of the week , here we have tw*t of the year !

Don't worry, it's ok, he was only found guilty of defrauding a council. That's the response of some. Never mind the money that deprived from vital resources or how it affected staff (that money could go for keeping any redundancies, say). Then there's the Britannia Law stuff, which he said was operating in a grey area of the law and hurt others. The guy's a cretin .

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I knew of the existence of this article a few weeks ago, so should have been prepared, but it still stings. I am utterly despondent and have lost all hope.

I try not to be too hard on my fellow fans who want to believe, because they just want things to be better, but intercourse me. The delusions are ridiculous and I am bored of hearing how they're the best fans and anyone with concerns are 'moaners' or wanting the club dead. I realise sorting it out is a monumental task, and some don't want to face up to that reality, but we can't bury our heads in the sand. Which just makes me more despondent. We can't even think of a phoenix club, because so many want to believe in dodgy Dave and would see attempts as undermining the saviour.

I get that people deserve second chances, but he has destroyed any trust in that given his lies and attacks on those who discussed these rumours previously. While he bemoans his poor mental health (and I do sympathise with anyone who suffers), he has given no thought to others when he defrauded people and launched baseless attacks on those who run Iron Bru. So, the sympathy is very much limited from me.

I can only hope there's a knight in shining armour to buy the club off him, and he clears off to never be heard from again, but they're called fairy tales for a reason.

Holloway on his way up now.....

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Don't worry, it's ok, he was only found guilty of defrauding a council. That's the response of some. Never mind the money that deprived from vital resources or how it affected staff (that money could go for keeping any redundancies, say). Then there's the Britannia Law stuff, which he said was operating in a grey area of the law and hurt others. The guy's a cretin .

Sounds like a former board member of our own when defending Alex May....he only ripped off institutions so its doesnt matter.

I read in the article that there could be some hope in the Trust potentially having a first option of buying the club as a community asset if the worst happens ? Would you have any hope in that ?

It would be one step, but they would then need to ensure the club can be paid for and sustained without Hilton. I know Hilton almost certainly cannot already, but I would like a successor to be able to.

I was told he was majorly dodgy before he took over. Apparently the press in Nottingham knew all about this and much more but were reluctant to report it due to fear of repercussions.

Nobody knows or will say where his money is coming from.

They're copulated.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

It would be one step, but they would then need to ensure the club can be paid for and sustained without Hilton. I know Hilton almost certainly cannot already, but I would like a successor to be able to.

It really does look like the car crash that’s already going on there is about to be a massive pile up. Everyone who has seen who you have signed has thought they were over your income. I imagine his supposed funds don’t really exist do they?
Good luck, I thInk you’ll need it.

Maybe it's what's needed to shake sense into some of the fanbase. Heard a rumour that Hardy's sniffing around again, so maybe someone will buy it off dodgy Dave.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I was told he was majorly dodgy before he took over. Apparently the press in Nottingham knew all about this and much more but were reluctant to report it due to fear of repercussions.

Nobody knows or will say where his money is coming from.

They're copulated.

But he's such a reputable gentleman. I'm sure all of his money making schemes are completely legal.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Maybe it's what's needed to shake sense into some of the fanbase. Heard a rumour that Hardy's sniffing around again, so maybe someone will buy it off dodgy Dave.

Out of the frying pan…..

Quoted from Heisenberg

Out of the frying pan…..

...into the crapper.

Would someone be kind enough to copy and paste the article as it's behind a paywall.

Quoted from gtfc98

Would someone be kind enough to copy and paste the article as it's behind a paywall.

Go back about 6 pages and there is a link direct to it

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Go back about 6 pages and there is a link direct to it

I saw the link to the Hilton sob story and listened to it but didn't see the athletic article, which is what I'd really like to see.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I was told he was majorly dodgy before he took over. Apparently the press in Nottingham knew all about this and much more but were reluctant to report it due to fear of repercussions.

Nobody knows or will say where his money is coming from.

They're copulated.

The local press not reporting on it due to fear of repercussions- was that fear of legal repercussions or fear of more unsavory repercussions?

Quoted from toontown

The local press not reporting on it due to fear of repercussions- was that fear of legal repercussions or fear of more unsavory repercussions?

The latter.

Quoted from mariner91

May he that is without sin cast the first stone. Who amongst us when at our lowest ebb hasn't defrauded others to the tune of tens of thousands, been incarcerated and changed our name multiple times before denying any of this ever happened? For me personally after the sudden and unexpected early death of my father, I ended up on crystal meth assistant managing the iMax in Bradford for like a year and a half.

I would have some sympathy for the Scunthorpe fans if they were being even remotely objective about their situation and the shyster in charge. However, the collective delusion and cognitive dissonance amongst their fanbase is astonishing. I understand that they're rather desperate but allowing a convicted crook who has continually lied to them to continue in charge will only lead them into further disarray. Even now that Hilton has finally acknowledged that the rumours about his past were all true I've seen some of them describe him as an "honest guy". In a few years it will be a fascinating case study in cult behaviour. Anyone that raises objections or valid points against Hilton is met with abuse. George Taft, an ex player, claimed today that he's not been paid and that money that should be put in to his pension has been taken out but not gone into his pension. Rather than accept that this is further evidence of Hilton being a charlatan, they turn on the victim and abuse them. They've had plenty of warnings about this guy from various people and from various things he's promised which have turned out to be a total lie yet they still rally round him and attack others who do call him out. Any sympathy I did have for them has gone out of the window. They will inevitably go bust with that wankstain in charge and I reckon it could be substantially longer than a decade until we play them in a league fixture again.

Yeah I feel pretty much the same way, even after all these things have proven to be true, and hilton has been proving to be lying to them lots of scunny fans declaring the real villains in this are those that have proven the truth. Absolutely incredible levels of delusion amongst a frankly bizarre fanbase. Learnt nothing from the swann stewardship which seems incredible.
They need to begin thinking about a phoenix club but the cult of Dave is stopping them doing it. If clubs/owners continue to get away with spending wildly beyond their means, lying to the FA and fans, ripping off pensions of staff etc then they need to be punished. It's only fair for those running clubs properly. Maybe I don't actively wish for them to go bust but I certainly wouldn't care if they did.

Quoted from toontown

The local press not reporting on it due to fear of repercussions- was that fear of legal repercussions or fear of more unsavory repercussions?

I believe that is why there is very little coverage from our local media outlets too.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

The latter.

Wow.
Really really worrying.

Given that people have been doxxed, had paedo accusations leveled at them and received death threats just for posting doubts about him on the Internet though utterly unsurprising, hence my question.

Hopefully the FA act and force him out ASAP if he has lied on his director information and not given details of previous names.

Quoted from gtfc98

I saw the link to the Hilton sob story and listened to it but didn't see the athletic article, which is what I'd really like to see.

See Page 320 Brummie Codfather

Quoted from toontown

Wow.
Really really worrying.

Given that people have been doxxed, had paedo accusations leveled at them and received death threats just for posting doubts about him on the Internet though utterly unsurprising, hence my question.

Hopefully the FA act and force him out ASAP if he has lied on his director information and not given details of previous names.

I got a load of abuse from them when he was on twitter space and a load of burner accounts for asking perfectly reasonable questions ......
Lot's of videos of fish to , which i found slightly amusing tbh

Quoted from Mappers

I got a load of abuse from them when he was on twitter space and a load of burner accounts for asking perfectly reasonable questions ......
Lot's of videos of fish to , which i found slightly amusing tbh

Mappers you will love this from Herbert within the last 30 minutes.

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I’ve been out tonight and just finished my tea so only just got back to social media but I have managed to read some of the George Taft stuff.

From the moment Taft went on holiday with McAtee you could see that the boy didn’t want to be at the club.

Coming out now about not being paid his wages after all this time seemed a bit strange so I questioned why the PFA aren’t supporting him in getting his wages paid as this is exactly the sort of thing they are good for.

I’m hating it that after two years stealing a living and downing tools or just going through the motions at SUFC and being an ever present member of the team that took us out the football league and national league in progressive seasons he wants to moan about a months wages.

Instead of putting up a poll about his wages maybe he should explain why he tried to get an extra  month from us when he was already at Worksop receiving money but asked Worksop not to register him straight away as he had been paid till July but as he was on an EFL contract he could get another month from SUFC. He is only entitled to Julys wage if he did not have a club but he was at Worksop.
He tried to pull a fast one n get paid double bubble but thankfully Worksop were honest and his plan failed.
Taft can go to the PFA but highly doubt he will waste his time.

I don’t tend to follow ex players careers but at 6”4’ I’m sure that Tesco will be crying out for shelf stackers. The kids gotta be thicker than pig excrement trying to pull that scam off.

As deluded fan behaviour goes, this surpasses Stevenage in 17/18.

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I’ve been out tonight and just finished my tea so only just got back to social media but I have managed to read some of the George Taft stuff.

From the moment Taft went on holiday with McAtee you could see that the boy didn’t want to be at the club.

Coming out now about not being paid his wages after all this time seemed a bit strange so I questioned why the PFA aren’t supporting him in getting his wages paid as this is exactly the sort of thing they are good for.

I’m hating it that after two years stealing a living and downing tools or just going through the motions at SUFC and being an ever present member of the team that took us out the football league and national league in progressive seasons he wants to moan about a months wages.

Instead of putting up a poll about his wages maybe he should explain why he tried to get an extra  month from us when he was already at Worksop receiving money but asked Worksop not to register him straight away as he had been paid till July but as he was on an EFL contract he could get another month from SUFC. He is only entitled to Julys wage if he did not have a club but he was at Worksop.
He tried to pull a fast one n get paid double bubble but thankfully Worksop were honest and his plan failed.
Taft can go to the PFA but highly doubt he will waste his time.

I don’t tend to follow ex players careers but at 6”4’ I’m sure that Tesco will be crying out for shelf stackers. The kids gotta be thicker than pig excrement trying to pull that scam off.
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The above seems to be from a deluded fan who wants to go to work, not be paid nor have his deducted pension contribution passed on. Regardless of a player's performance on the pitch, they have a contract with the club to be paid, and monies deducted are passed on to the relative parties According to Taft this has not happened so why is the fan moaning? He obviously must be deranged as he cannot see the clouds gathering over GP to terminate the club.

They are flipping morons. They’ve no idea how the PFA works, nor are the arsed about finding out.

Their desperation to support Hilton/Armstrong/White or whatever his name is is terrifying, I was always in favour of them surviving as a club but the way some of their fans are carrying on, I hope they burn…

And to top it all Saturday’s match was officially abandoned and they’re going to replay the whole match.

Quoted from DB

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I’ve been out tonight and just finished my tea so only just got back to social media but I have managed to read some of the George Taft stuff.

From the moment Taft went on holiday with McAtee you could see that the boy didn’t want to be at the club.

Coming out now about not being paid his wages after all this time seemed a bit strange so I questioned why the PFA aren’t supporting him in getting his wages paid as this is exactly the sort of thing they are good for.

I’m hating it that after two years stealing a living and downing tools or just going through the motions at SUFC and being an ever present member of the team that took us out the football league and national league in progressive seasons he wants to moan about a months wages.

Instead of putting up a poll about his wages maybe he should explain why he tried to get an extra  month from us when he was already at Worksop receiving money but asked Worksop not to register him straight away as he had been paid till July but as he was on an EFL contract he could get another month from SUFC. He is only entitled to Julys wage if he did not have a club but he was at Worksop.
He tried to pull a fast one n get paid double bubble but thankfully Worksop were honest and his plan failed.
Taft can go to the PFA but highly doubt he will waste his time.

I don’t tend to follow ex players careers but at 6”4’ I’m sure that Tesco will be crying out for shelf stackers. The kids gotta be thicker than pig excrement trying to pull that scam off.
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The above seems to be from a deluded fan who wants to go to work, not be paid nor have his deducted pension contribution passed on. Regardless of a player's performance on the pitch, they have a contract with the club to be paid, and monies deducted are passed on to the relative parties According to Taft this has not happened so why is the fan moaning? He obviously must be deranged as he cannot see the clouds gathering over GP to terminate the club.

Beyond help , I am speechless.

So dense light bends around them.

I think this says more about the system which allowed him to take over than it does about Dave Fournames himself. Where’s the due diligence from the National League? I don’t suppose Swann gave a monkey’s but it’s pretty sad to see where this is heading.

Scunthorpe and Buxton have been ordered to replay their National League North game, which was abandoned in the 96th minute after a torrential downpour.

Buxton were leading 2-1 on Saturday when play was halted, and had called on the league to award them the points.

Boss Craig Elliott said the 10 minutes of added time was in part due to interruptions caused by objects allegedly thrown at their goalkeeper.

A National League statement said the "fixture will be rescheduled in full".

The statement continued: "The matter was considered thoroughly, with the outcome decided in line with National League regulations and previous occurrences of this nature. A new date for the game will be announced by the clubs in due course."

The abandonment came on the hottest day of the year in the UK, with temperatures reaching 32.7C (91F) as part of the September heatwave.
'We hoped common sense would prevail'

The decision to replay the fixture has financial implications for Buxton, and their fans, who must now travel across country for a second time to fulfil their commitment.

To add to the Bucks' ire, the dismissal of Connor Brown will remain on his record, as will the ban, meaning he misses Saturday's FA Cup trip to Macclesfield.

"We expected a better outcome, we hoped common sense would hopefully prevail but it hasn't," boss Elliott told BBC Radio Derby. "I'm really disappointed for the players and the fans who paid their hard earned money to support us and for it not to be a result.

"Scunthorpe have got their own agenda, they're heavy favourites to go and win the league this year. I think they'll be relieved and really happy with the outcome.

"From our point of view we feel we've been hard done by, on social media the reaction to it is there's a lot of people thinking it's the wrong decision as well.

Quoted from aldi_01

They are flipping morons. They’ve no idea how the PFA works, nor are the arsed about finding out.

Their desperation to support Hilton/Armstrong/White or whatever his name is is terrifying, I was always in favour of them surviving as a club but the way some of their fans are carrying on, I hope they burn…

They don't think it's unbelievable that Hilton is the world's unluckiest man and manages to attract so many who give him grief or scam him for no reason, from Swann to Taft and all former players, Matt Slater, the previous work interests he irritated, Bury AFC and Iron Bru. As if, in any world, a player should accept not getting their wages paid. Just ridiculous from those who are currently berating sceptical fans of ours for being gullible and wanting the club dead.

So now you know some of the truth about David White Wright Mellors  Anderson Hilton.
Also known in Bestwood, Nottingham as Blockhead, also known in Nottinghamshire as Dodgy Dave.

We at Bury did our homework and figured him out very early. Now Scunthorpe fans need to get rid of him before he kills their club for good.

Some fans may think yesterdays news was bad, to be fair it was very well known to anyone who cared to look, it just took a professional journo to put it together, but there is worse to come.

Dodgy Dave has no money, fact. His net worth is zero, he has never made a profit legally in his life.
His Proof of Funds to buy the club were fake, he is a convicted fraudster after all.  And he will either have to show them in court, committing fraud again or make an excuse before the court date and quit the club. No doubt blaming others.

His so called depression and suicidal issues are fake, he used them to get sympathy from some serious people he owed big money too, now trying to gain sympathy, low beyond belief.

He was not purchased any new land, and never will.
He has not paid players, staff and pensions.
A new ground would cost around 30 million, York's new ground cost 44 million, he cant  pay the bills at GP, CCJs stacking up.

Current players are already having serious doubts and concerns, wages paid from personal accounts, NI and PAYE not paid, pensions not paid, Hilton hijacking the players WhatsApp group shouting at them to stop asking questions.

So were has the money come from? Dodgy Dave is not a serious drug dealer, his dad is not a convicted money launder ( he is a taxi driver ), Dave has borrowed it from a coupe of ex players and its now all gone.

Get prepared for him to leave, blame others and change his name again, claim health issues and that he was pushed out.

He had no money before the crash of 2007, and no money after, he is a career criminal and will not accept the blame for anything.

He will kill SUFC, and blame others, then change his name, check his history he done it 4 times already.

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/eastmidlands/news/2075684-former-ilkeston-town-chairman-admits-serving-time-for-fraud

Quoted from Bury Born Again

So now you know some of the truth about David White Wright Mellors  Anderson Hilton.
Also known in Bestwood, Nottingham as Blockhead, also known in Nottinghamshire as Dodgy Dave.

We at Bury did our homework and figured him out very early. Now Scunthorpe fans need to get rid of him before he kills their club for good.

Some fans may think yesterdays news was bad, to be fair it was very well known to anyone who cared to look, it just took a professional journo to put it together, but there is worse to come.

Dodgy Dave has no money, fact. His net worth is zero, he has never made a profit legally in his life.
His Proof of Funds to buy the club were fake, he is a convicted fraudster after all.  And he will either have to show them in court, committing fraud again or make an excuse before the court date and quit the club. No doubt blaming others.

His so called depression and suicidal issues are fake, he used them to get sympathy from some serious people he owed big money too, now trying to gain sympathy, low beyond belief.

He was not purchased any new land, and never will.
He has not paid players, staff and pensions.
A new ground would cost around 30 million, York's new ground cost 44 million, he cant  pay the bills at GP, CCJs stacking up.

Current players are already having serious doubts and concerns, wages paid from personal accounts, NI and PAYE not paid, pensions not paid, Hilton hijacking the players WhatsApp group shouting at them to stop asking questions.

So were has the money come from? Dodgy Dave is not a serious drug dealer, his dad is not a convicted money launder ( he is a taxi driver ), Dave has borrowed it from a coupe of ex players and its now all gone.

Get prepared for him to leave, blame others and change his name again, claim health issues and that he was pushed out.

He had no money before the crash of 2007, and no money after, he is a career criminal and will not accept the blame for anything.

He will kill SUFC, and blame others, then change his name, check his history he done it 4 times already.

I don't doubt any of that

But my question over this whole affair is

Why ?

Power? Some kind of weird vanity project?

Or more likely he's in it for a quick buck. Even without all the fraud and lies, no-one buys a football club that they've no affiliation for just for the sake of it. He must think, or at least thought, there's money to be made. The club itself is worthless and that's nothing new, the tune to which Swann was bankrolling signings and racking up debt made sure of that. The ground and more specifically the land are the route to a windfall, he must think there's someway he can get hold of it for virtually nothing and sell it at a significant profit.

How many people posting on here slating Scunthorpe supporters for supporting their current owners, forget they were supporting our previous owner regardless,and conducting a vicious campaign against those calling him out.
It is Scunthorpe's version of Stockholme Syndrome they will eventually see reality.

Quoted from Mappers

I don't doubt any of that

But my question over this whole affair is

Why ?

My guess would be to sell the land, didn't he want to check it still had planning permission for those apartments or something when he was in discussion with swann.

Quoted from friskneymariner

How many people posting on here slating Scunthorpe supporters for supporting their current owners, forget they were supporting our previous owner regardless,and conducting a vicious campaign against those calling him out.
It is Scunthorpe's version of Stockholme Syndrome they will eventually see reality.

Not quite the same though really.

JSF didn't acquire the Club with a convicted background and uncertainty whether he had the funds to buy the club and a legal battle over the ground and monies not paid as agreed.

Absolutely he didn't do anything that progressed the club and his penny pinching ways resulted in a steady decline as he prioritised a new stadium for reasons that could easily be suggested as selfish ambitions of leaving a personal legacy, neglecting other 'in the moment' areas of the club.

Yet despite that the club never appeared at risk of collapsing. Some fans were quick to call on it, others took longer and some were still content with the nature of how the club was being run 'prudently'. The Alex May saga was the nail in his coffin and the legacy he will have never wanted to leave yet has to suffer as a result of his poor decision making.

We can all have an opinion on how successful you think his 20 year tenure was and I'd suggest it'd be a low ranking opinion, but we were here. Not at a level we'd like to have been, but we were here and the prospect of being bankrupt or in need of a phoenix club was never present. None of that is me lending support to JF, but pointing out that we were simply here without the dark clouds hanging over us like SUFC.

This guy has acquired the club on the basis of lies and deceit. He has placed Scunthorpe at risk and it will be the fans who suffer if the club goes bust. It was crap having to watch us slide through the leagues but we had a team to support. The same may not be true in even a years time and it will largely be down to this guy (I reserve a little for Swann allowing the Club to slide as far as it did and for selling to a conman).

Quoted from gtfc_chris

Not quite the same though really.

JSF didn't acquire the Club with a convicted background and uncertainty whether he had the funds to buy the club and a legal battle over the ground and monies not paid as agreed.

Absolutely he didn't do anything that progressed the club and his penny pinching ways resulted in a steady decline as he prioritised a new stadium for reasons that could easily be suggested as selfish ambitions of leaving a personal legacy, neglecting other 'in the moment' areas of the club.

Yet despite that the club never appeared at risk of collapsing. Some fans were quick to call on it, others took longer and some were still content with the nature of how the club was being run 'prudently'. The Alex May saga was the nail in his coffin and the legacy he will have never wanted to leave yet has to suffer as a result of his poor decision making.

We can all have an opinion on how successful you think his 20 year tenure was and I'd suggest it'd be a low ranking opinion, but we were here. Not at a level we'd like to have been, but we were here and the prospect of being bankrupt or in need of a phoenix club was never present. None of that is me lending support to JF, but pointing out that we were simply here without the dark clouds hanging over us like SUFC.

This guy has acquired the club on the basis of lies and deceit. He has placed Scunthorpe at risk and it will be the fans who suffer if the club goes bust. It was crap having to watch us slide through the leagues but we had a team to support. The same may not be true in even a years time and it will largely be down to this guy (I reserve a little for Swann allowing the Club to slide as far as it did and for selling to a conman).

The main difference between Fenty and Hilton + Swann is that whatever you think of him , him and his family where /are town fans (or at least started off that way ) .

He was a terrible owner but he never brought about anything like this and as soon as he tried a small number of town fans called him out , and he was out of the club .

Fenty( in his own small way ) and the fans that called him out gave us a future of prosper , Swann ,Hilton and his cult have given Scunthorpe Utd in all probability one that will lead to their extinction .

There is a massive difference

Quoted from toontown

My guess would be to sell the land, didn't he want to check it still had planning permission for those apartments or something when he was in discussion with swann.

Probably , but he must be really dumb if he thought all of his past would not catch up with him .

Maybe it was a case of no questions asked at Ilkeston so I can take it a step further with a bigger club ?

It's fairly clear the bloke has not got a pot to pi*s in , makes me wonder how he is paying Herbet's retainer .

Quoted from Bury Born Again

So now you know some of the truth about David White Wright Mellors  Anderson Hilton.
Also known in Bestwood, Nottingham as Blockhead, also known in Nottinghamshire as Dodgy Dave.

We at Bury did our homework and figured him out very early. Now Scunthorpe fans need to get rid of him before he kills their club for good.

Some fans may think yesterdays news was bad, to be fair it was very well known to anyone who cared to look, it just took a professional journo to put it together, but there is worse to come.

Dodgy Dave has no money, fact. His net worth is zero, he has never made a profit legally in his life.
His Proof of Funds to buy the club were fake, he is a convicted fraudster after all.  And he will either have to show them in court, committing fraud again or make an excuse before the court date and quit the club. No doubt blaming others.

His so called depression and suicidal issues are fake, he used them to get sympathy from some serious people he owed big money too, now trying to gain sympathy, low beyond belief.

He was not purchased any new land, and never will.
He has not paid players, staff and pensions.
A new ground would cost around 30 million, York's new ground cost 44 million, he cant  pay the bills at GP, CCJs stacking up.

Current players are already having serious doubts and concerns, wages paid from personal accounts, NI and PAYE not paid, pensions not paid, Hilton hijacking the players WhatsApp group shouting at them to stop asking questions.

So were has the money come from? Dodgy Dave is not a serious drug dealer, his dad is not a convicted money launder ( he is a taxi driver ), Dave has borrowed it from a coupe of ex players and its now all gone.

Get prepared for him to leave, blame others and change his name again, claim health issues and that he was pushed out.

He had no money before the crash of 2007, and no money after, he is a career criminal and will not accept the blame for anything.

He will kill SUFC, and blame others, then change his name, check his history he done it 4 times already.

Wow, that’s so scary for the lot up the road. Looks like Bury have dodged this one. Good luck on your own journey back.

Interesting post from Blast Furnace Forum below. I have no legal knowledge, so maybe more knowledgeable persons can debate this.

"There is one point that all of you have overlooked, including Hilton.

From The Athletic:

“In a case that started at Nottingham Crown Court in late 2014, Anderson was also disqualified from being a company director for five years after pleading guilty to 15 charges.”

Yet Hilton became a director in the following businesses:

Reality Management Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Advent Corporation Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Centrepoint Marketing Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Stratton Enterprises Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Maxwell Cohen Ltd – appointed 28/06/18
Maxwell Cohen Estates Ltd – appointed 18/06/19
Acquisition And Property Management Ltd – appointed 18/06/19
DH Management And Holdings Ltd – appointed – 24/09/19

As you can see, the 5 year disqualification period for David Anderson as reported by The Athletic and the directorships held by David Hilton during the disqualification period don’t reconcile!.

Quoted from 123614

Interesting post from Blast Furnace Forum below. I have no legal knowledge, so maybe more knowledgeable persons can debate this.

"There is one point that all of you have overlooked, including Hilton.

From The Athletic:

“In a case that started at Nottingham Crown Court in late 2014, Anderson was also disqualified from being a company director for five years after pleading guilty to 15 charges.”

Yet Hilton became a director in the following businesses:

Reality Management Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Advent Corporation Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Centrepoint Marketing Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Stratton Enterprises Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Maxwell Cohen Ltd – appointed 28/06/18
Maxwell Cohen Estates Ltd – appointed 18/06/19
Acquisition And Property Management Ltd – appointed 18/06/19
DH Management And Holdings Ltd – appointed – 24/09/19

As you can see, the 5 year disqualification period for David Anderson as reported by The Athletic and the directorships held by David Hilton during the disqualification period don’t reconcile!.

He will be in more trouble , the more he talks the more trouble he will find himself in - hence him deleting that interview .

I suspect his resignation and awol status is nearing tbh .

Quoted from 123614

Interesting post from Blast Furnace Forum below. I have no legal knowledge, so maybe more knowledgeable persons can debate this.

"There is one point that all of you have overlooked, including Hilton.

From The Athletic:

“In a case that started at Nottingham Crown Court in late 2014, Anderson was also disqualified from being a company director for five years after pleading guilty to 15 charges.”

Yet Hilton became a director in the following businesses:

Reality Management Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Advent Corporation Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Centrepoint Marketing Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Stratton Enterprises Ltd – appointed 21/11/17
Maxwell Cohen Ltd – appointed 28/06/18
Maxwell Cohen Estates Ltd – appointed 18/06/19
Acquisition And Property Management Ltd – appointed 18/06/19
DH Management And Holdings Ltd – appointed – 24/09/19

As you can see, the 5 year disqualification period for David Anderson as reported by The Athletic and the directorships held by David Hilton during the disqualification period don’t reconcile!.

I'm as far removed from a legal expert as I am a world class singer, but the first thing that stands out in that narrative is the courts ruled David Anderson was disqualified for 5 years. They then go on to list David Hilton as being a director of those companies.

I'd like to believe that there would be further proof required than simply a name to safeguard against people circumnavigating this type of disqualification but I'm sure here are holes you can slip through and perhaps this is the scenario here?

i see the entire article and interview has been removed by the Scunny twitter account, the blokes been found out, a chancer,a fraudster, a liar and a bully.

Mental health? not on my life, playing that for sympathy, Scunny are copulated, and what sympathy I did have has gone when seeing the blind delusion their fans have in supporting Hilton White Houdini.

The interview was apparently taken down after The Athletic got in contact with the club for the way he slung mud at them, and I don't think they are happy about it in the least. I suspect the journalists there are now digging for more and more info.

That Facebook Fans group is making me feel sick now . An absolute set of simpletons that don’t realise they are fooked . How many lies can one man make before a fans group turns on him

I never look at that site, but hear some of the rubbish. It would just depress me seeing how many want to drink the kool aid from my own fanbase.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

The interview was apparently taken down after The Athletic got in contact with the club for the way he slung mud at them, and I don't think they are happy about it in the least. I suspect the journalists there are now digging for more and more info.

Lie after lie after lie . Now playing the mental illness card . Any sympathy other fans had has now evaporated . How can so many on that FB group still be behind him ?

Quoted from It Bites

That Facebook Fans group is making me feel sick now . An absolute set of simpletons that don’t realise they are fooked . How many lies can one man make before a fans group turns on him

By the sounds of it , it's beyond words

They want to believe, desperately. Hilton's charmed them, they want to avoid the inconvenient truth and are deeply scarred by Swann.

Quoted from Mappers

I don't doubt any of that

But my question over this whole affair is

Why ?

That's easy - he's a fantasist!

Quoted from Mappers

I don't doubt any of that

But my question over this whole affair is

Why ?

Yes why ever would a convicted fraudster/career criminal have any interest in an industry well-known for the credulity of its customers and their willingness to hand over vast sums of cash without question, along with notoriously lax safeguards against such people?

Quoted from friskneymariner

How many people posting on here slating Scunthorpe supporters for supporting their current owners, forget they were supporting our previous owner regardless,and conducting a vicious campaign against those calling him out.
It is Scunthorpe's version of Stockholme Syndrome they will eventually see reality.

You could absolutely be forgiven for missing this argument previously on this thread, it'll be tucked away somewhere in the previous 300+ pages.

I too argued that it was easy for Town fans to point the judgmental finger at Scunny fans when we, largely, sat back and let Fenty do as he wished.  I still maintain his time came to an end here as a result of circumstance and luck (on our behalf) rather than because of a movement.

A brave journalist ran a story that he was tipped off for to expose Fenty/May.  Having continually held onto the club, for whatever reasons, Fenty suddenly needed the cash (see the excellent Cod Almighty feature on this) and was effectively run out of the area.  We also, very luckily, had two buyers who were waiting in the wings to snap the club up.

I felt to tell the Scunny fans they should do this and do that was unfair, especially when their situation was akin to jumping out of a frying pan into a slightly less (at the time) cooler fire.  Of course temperatures always rise when the stove is on.

However...there's blissful ignorance, there's blindsided belief/hope that this one won't be as bad as the last and then there's sheer and utter stupidity.  This isn't a case of burying their heads in the sand or even blind faith, they're backing what he's doing.  Going to lengths to support him and discredit anyone who goes against him.  He's identifying his targets and his foot soldiers are carrying out the assassinations.  One guy who has called him out on Twitter since day one had a paedo slur thrown at him by an 'anonymous' Hilton acolyte.  Matt Slater, who wrote The Athletic piece, is now in the crosshairs and his cronies are gobbling it all up.  George Taft, comes out and says he hasn't received payment owed...like good little troops they're already piling in on him before Hilton even has to give the order.  So many of the responses to him aren't about how he's entitled to be paid but how he's wrong to raise it.

This is very, very different from what we had under Fenty.  We'll never know, thankfully, if Fenty's regime would have got as bad as this.  Therefore we'll never know how our fanbase would have reacted.  But I certainly would like to think we wouldn't have gone around acting like the SS.

The art of being a con man is to get people to like/ love / believe or even feel sorry for you.

This man of many names is very good in his job.

The sooner the masses see through him the better it will be for their club.

Time is running out things are catching up with him again.

Another name change and a swift exit is on the cards.

Wake up you scunts !!!!!!!!!!!

Fenty did act that way, and had plenty of his own acolytes slinging mud around. Fenty used this very website to close down arguments against him. Some people were invited into the club for "a little chat", others threatened with legal action.

Fenty was dodgy from day one. In the way he took control of the club, through to his very dodgy pension arrangement (that the HMRC eventually caught up with)

There are still people around today, including some who have posted on this thread, that think he was "alright" or that he ran a steady ship. Running a property into disrepair is not sound financial running of an organisation. A lot of the damage he cauaed is still being dealt with today and will continue to cost the club for many years.

Town fans were mostly silent or made excuses for him. Some defended everything that Fenty did and verbatim quoted his lies. The way sunny fans are acting is no different in many ways.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

I'm as far removed from a legal expert as I am a world class singer, but the first thing that stands out in that narrative is the courts ruled David Anderson was disqualified for 5 years. They then go on to list David Hilton as being a director of those companies.

I'd like to believe that there would be further proof required than simply a name to safeguard against people circumnavigating this type of disqualification but I'm sure here are holes you can slip through and perhaps this is the scenario here?

Companies House is just a Registry they record they dont police it is up to other authorities to pursue breaches of the law ie the police if they receive a complaint and can be arsed. Now they don’t even respond to looting in shops fat chance of that.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

They want to believe, desperately. Hilton's charmed them, they want to avoid the inconvenient truth and are deeply scarred by Swann.

I genuinely feel sorry for you mate, whenever you come on here you always talk sense and rationally. it gives me no pleasure thinking you are were you are with your beloved football club. As a fan to a fan I wish it would work out for you

Quoted from EvilFish

Fenty did act that way, and had plenty of his own acolytes slinging mud around. Fenty used this very website to close down arguments against him. Some people were invited into the club for "a little chat", others threatened with legal action.

Fenty was dodgy from day one. In the way he took control of the club, through to his very dodgy pension arrangement (that the HMRC eventually caught up with)

There are still people around today, including some who have posted on this thread, that think he was "alright" or that he ran a steady ship. Running a property into disrepair is not sound financial running of an organisation. A lot of the damage he cauaed is still being dealt with today and will continue to cost the club for many years.

Town fans were mostly silent or made excuses for him. Some defended everything that Fenty did and verbatim quoted his lies. The way sunny fans are acting is no different in many ways.

I was invited for a chat (I declined) and, in hindsight, I wish I'd had the courage to say to his face what I said on here. That said, nothing Fenty did compares to what Swann and now Hilton have done to the Scunts. For all that their demise is making interesting reading, comparing Fenty to this mess is a bit far-fetched and I do genuinely feel for their loyal fans who apparently can't see beyond their noses.

Quoted from SpiritOf98

I'd thank you for the congrats Black and White Bear but you'd not see it, so I'll just look on in awe at the authority and voice of reason status you hold on this board while chuckling at your reputation points. *shrug*

You shouldn't read anything into that. Some people here would get a green tick just for saying "Up the Mariners".

You receive a lot of red crosses if you don't join in with the circle jerk. Strictly no criticism of the owners. Positive spin to be put on defeats.

Quoted from White_shorts

You shouldn't read anything into that. Some people here would get a green tick just for saying "Up the Mariners".

You receive a lot of red crosses if you don't join in with the circle jerk. Strictly no criticism of the owners. Positive spin to be put on defeats.

Actually I have never looked at green and red crosses, they don't interest me one little bit. I'm a lot too mature to worry about simple things like that.

Quoted from White_shorts

You shouldn't read anything into that. Some people here would get a green tick just for saying "Up the Mariners".

You receive a lot of red crosses if you don't join in with the circle jerk. Strictly no criticism of the owners. Positive spin to be put on defeats.

Good job we've only lost one in the league so far then.

'Up the Mariners' (angel)

Quoted from White_shorts

You shouldn't read anything into that. Some people here would get a green tick just for saying "Up the Mariners".

You receive a lot of red crosses if you don't join in with the circle jerk. Strictly no criticism of the owners. Positive spin to be put on defeats.

That's a misrepresentation of what people say. Everyone is entitled to opinion, nobody disputes that. What people, rightly in my view, push back against is this notion of launching into negatives whenever possible. You see it on here on Twitter whereby the usual suspects are deafeningly silent while it goes well and then predictably pop up when there's anything to moan about.

Take the Hurst subs agenda for example. He makes no subs on Saturday, he gets slaughtered as "boring Hurst" "never learns" and all that. Simultaneously, say he makes changes and disrupts the flow and shape of the team and he gets slaughtered the other way. It's those accounts that will argue either one of those but would be silent had we held on.

You cannot argue that since JS and AP came into the club, that has been anything other than a massive set of constant improvements on and off the pitch. Yes, there have been small errors but you'd just be nit picking.

Quoted from Blundellite

I genuinely feel sorry for you mate, whenever you come on here you always talk sense and rationally. it gives me no pleasure thinking you are were you are with your beloved football club. As a fan to a fan I wish it would work out for you

Thanks for the kind words.

I wish I had optimism in survival, but that seems blind faith at the moment. I wish I could have the confidence of many of our fanbase, who think it will be fine and Hilton's a changed man and doing well, but it just seems so daft. Many rightfully ask what do we do instead, but after yesterday's debacle I don't see how I can cheer him on. They say sceptics don't care about what happens if he leaves, since that would leave us in the excrement. However, I don't know how anyone can cheer on a crook who has blatantly lied to us and expects us to take everything on his word regarding him being a changed man, sorting the stadium issue out and debts. I can understand how some might just not want to call him out and hope for the best, but that wasn't good enough for some. There were once complaints about how we weren't expressing enough gratitude to him at one point. Some seem to have got high off their own supply and seem to be competing to be the 'best fans' by showing how supportive of Hilton they are, regardless of how much it means insulting other fans or drowning out any kind of critical thought.

Anyway, I don't want to get too carried away with that. There needs to be unity, somehow. I understand that people want to believe, but I don't see how it's anything other than dire off the pitch right now.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I was invited for a chat (I declined) and, in hindsight, I wish I'd had the courage to say to his face what I said on here. That said, nothing Fenty did compares to what Swann and now Hilton have done to the Scunts. For all that their demise is making interesting reading, comparing Fenty to this mess is a bit far-fetched and I do genuinely feel for their loyal fans who apparently can't see beyond their noses.

We do not know how it would have ended ,if it was not for some enterprising reporter.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I was invited for a chat (I declined) and, in hindsight, I wish I'd had the courage to say to his face what I said on here. That said, nothing Fenty did compares to what Swann and now Hilton have done to the Scunts. For all that their demise is making interesting reading, comparing Fenty to this mess is a bit far-fetched and I do genuinely feel for their loyal fans who apparently can't see beyond their noses.

I was comparing the actions of their fans to the actions of ours at the time under Fenty. As a previous poster said - Stockholm Syndrome - it's a valid comparison. We slept walked into the slow destruction of our club and absolutely rode our luck. The authorities were chasing Fenty when he eventually legged it. Scunthorpe are just going through a faster collapse.

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Fenty did act that way, and had plenty of his own acolytes slinging mud around. Fenty used this very website to close down arguments against him. Some people were invited into the club for "a little chat", others threatened with legal action.

Fenty was dodgy from day one. In the way he took control of the club, through to his very dodgy pension arrangement (that the HMRC eventually caught up with)

There are still people around today, including some who have posted on this thread, that think he was "alright" or that he ran a steady ship. Running a property into disrepair is not sound financial running of an organisation. A lot of the damage he cauaed is still being dealt with today and will continue to cost the club for many years.

Town fans were mostly silent or made excuses for him. Some defended everything that Fenty did and verbatim quoted his lies. The way sunny fans are acting is no different in many ways.

In no way am I defending The Leech but if memory serves me correctly the tone of some of the posts against him were bordering on libelous and could have had legal repercussions against the site.

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In no way am I defending The Leech but if memory serves me correctly the tone of some of the posts against him were bordering on libelous and could have had legal repercussions against the site.

From memory there was only really one that went close to the bone, but nothing worse than is posted on here about players, managers and others. The difference being that Fenty made the threat, messages got deleted and posters banned. I think Fenty would've struggled to make any allegation stand up in court given (a) his own dubious actions and (b) his absolutely abysmal record every time he did appear in court.

Remember he also tried to silence the BBC. Didn't quite work our for him, that one.

Love this pic

Some of them aren't the smartest are they? ;D

I disagreed strongly with JF on matters regarding the team and his politics, but when I spoke to him in person, he was actually quite reasonable, and I didn't get the impression he was lying to me.

It was more that his moral compass and mine were set to different directions. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Hilton, but he did get on board with a fraudster, even if he wasn't a fraudster himself, so more guilt by association in his case. I think from a legal standpoint, May had served his time and JF saw no reason why he shouldn't fraternise with him. Morally, it is a different story.

He also paid his staff and other bills, so comparisons with the Scunny guy are a stretch.

I wonder that now this has come to light and he has admitted another name , attached to more dissolved companies, serving time for fraud ....what the recently appointed directors will think of it ?
Pretty sure I would want out if this news broke, I wonder if they were all in the know and are associates of his anyway?
If there isn't a mass resignation or calls from other directors for him to go then I would be even more concerned about who was in charge of my football club.

Latest statement released...😄

Quoted from SpiritOf98

'Up the Mariners' (angel)

Well played sir. Well played.

It gets funnier, rumour along the sensible scunny fans is that he’s now trying to sell the club…for cash. flipping hilarious…

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I disagreed strongly with JF on matters regarding the team and his politics, but when I spoke to him in person, he was actually quite reasonable, and I didn't get the impression he was lying to me.

It was more that his moral compass and mine were set to different directions. I wouldn't put him in the same category as Hilton, but he did get on board with a fraudster, even if he wasn't a fraudster himself, so more guilt by association in his case. I think from a legal standpoint, May had served his time and JF saw no reason why he shouldn't fraternise with him. Morally, it is a different story.

He also paid his staff and other bills, so comparisons with the Scunny guy are a stretch.

It’s worth remembering that, for a very long time, many on here saw Fenty as our saviour and the likes of you and I were in the minority.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It’s worth remembering that, for a very long time, many on here saw Fenty as our saviour and the likes of you and I were in the minority.

I was mouthing off about him for years but just got shot down . He isn’t in Hilton’s league though , Hilton is a different kind of guy

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It’s worth remembering that, for a very long time, many on here saw Fenty as our saviour and the likes of you and I were in the minority.

There are still a few that defend Fenty, even now. They still believe that nonsense and it’s almost like they choose to ignore the fact that he lied to us and clearly wasn’t arsed about the future of the club, ever. It was only ever about him…

Anyway, I digress…I suspect, for all the weirdness from fans and Hilton or whatever name he’s using this week trying to defend himself, he’ll be finding a way out, which will likely mean he can line his pockets more ill gotten gains…

If anything in that article was incorrect you’d sue, he hasn’t, he only tried to have it stopped. He hasn’t actually challenged them to prove any of it and I suspect that the FA, who are seemingly always under pressure will probably be poking around and will want to save face…

I understand that they’re relived they got rid of Swann (we think) but their blind faith in someone proven to be a criminal and liar is bizarre. I get the whole ‘anything is better than Swann’ but this inability to apply sense and pragmatism is on a whole new level we’ve never seen before. Fans love their club but they’re in danger in putting all their faith and eggs into the basket of a bloke who has made a living from illegal activity, and in truth, has no real cash flow…even the recruitment of board members is odd.

It’s genuinely astounding that large amounts of fans can’t see it..:

Quoted from aldi_01

It gets funnier, rumour along the sensible scunny fans is that he’s now trying to sell the club…for cash. flipping hilarious…

Hopefully he is and the stupid cult around him goes away.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Hopefully he is and the stupid cult around him goes away.

Who and what is Jason Herbet ?

Quoted from aldi_01

It gets funnier, rumour along the sensible scunny fans is that he’s now trying to sell the club…for cash. flipping hilarious…

Really what’s left to sell there is no ground the outgoings are massively greater than the incomings he may have spunk@d 1.5 million paying off swans debt but that does not add any value.
I really would not be surprised when all this is over that swan and many names are not best buddy’s and he is been put there to put the final nail in the coffin and swan gets a easy ride to build those apartments (sorry I love a good conspiracy theory)

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Really what’s left to sell there is no ground the outgoings are massively greater than the incomings he may have spunk@d 1.5 million paying off swans debt but that does not add any value.
I really would not be surprised when all this is over that swan and many names are not best buddy’s and he is been put there to put the final nail in the coffin and swan gets a easy ride to build those apartments (sorry I love a good conspiracy theory)

Not sure that’s a conspiracy, I’ve had the same discussion with my scunny supporting mate. I’m not gonna go so far as to say they’re best mates but it would seem odd that Swann, a man who has genuinely had hard cash in the past would allow someone like Hilton, who still hasn’t proved funds yet, to get involved with the club.

Quoted from aldi_01

Not sure that’s a conspiracy, I’ve had the same discussion with my scunny supporting mate. I’m not gonna go so far as to say they’re best mates but it would seem odd that Swann, a man who has genuinely had hard cash in the past would allow someone like Hilton, who still hasn’t proved funds yet, to get involved with the club.

Swann was desperate.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Swann was desperate.

Exactly desperate men take desperate measures like many names pocketing 70 grand

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It’s worth remembering that, for a very long time, many on here saw Fenty as our saviour and the likes of you and I were in the minority.

Minority? No chance. The majority on here, me included, had daggers out for Fenty for years.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Swann was desperate.

Yep, and a bloody moron with no judgement whatsoever. He apparently just signed off on Hilton's bid without having a proper check. The sort of thing we got from Swann through his tenure. I don't think we need conspiracies when we can explain this with Swann being a dimwitted, desperate man.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Really what’s left to sell there is no ground the outgoings are massively greater than the incomings he may have spunk@d 1.5 million paying off swans debt but that does not add any value.
I really would not be surprised when all this is over that swan and many names are not best buddy’s and he is been put there to put the final nail in the coffin and swan gets a easy ride to build those apartments (sorry I love a good conspiracy theory)

Still many loose threads in all this.Statements
1 He has no money and never has had.
2 He’s paid Swann money and funded (some wages) etc
3 He’s put himself in the spotlight for his life to be picked over by all and sundry . Why would someone with all this to hide do that?
Probably make a good Netflix dicudrams

Quoted from HerveJosse

Still many loose threads in all this.Statements
1 He has no money and never has had.
2 He’s paid Swann money and funded (some wages) etc
3 He’s put himself in the spotlight for his life to be picked over by all and sundry . Why would someone with all this to hide do that?
Probably make a good Netflix dicudrams

Love a good dicudrams, me.

Quoted from It Bites

Who and what is Jason Herbet ?

Ive not met him but a friend does. He described him to me as a complete idiot who is totally unsuitable to be the admin of a facebook group. so far hes not banned me for being a cod as i have a couple of scunny supporting friends on facebook but he seems rather power hungry and a little deranged from what ive seen on his group,

Quoted from aldi_01

There are still a few that defend Fenty, even now. They still believe that nonsense and it’s almost like they choose to ignore the fact that he lied to us and clearly wasn’t arsed about the future of the club, ever. It was only ever about him…

Anyway, I digress…I suspect, for all the weirdness from fans and Hilton or whatever name he’s using this week trying to defend himself, he’ll be finding a way out, which will likely mean he can line his pockets more ill gotten gains…

If anything in that article was incorrect you’d sue, he hasn’t, he only tried to have it stopped. He hasn’t actually challenged them to prove any of it and I suspect that the FA, who are seemingly always under pressure will probably be poking around and will want to save face…

I understand that they’re relived they got rid of Swann (we think) but their blind faith in someone proven to be a criminal and liar is bizarre. I get the whole ‘anything is better than Swann’ but this inability to apply sense and pragmatism is on a whole new level we’ve never seen before. Fans love their club but they’re in danger in putting all their faith and eggs into the basket of a bloke who has made a living from illegal activity, and in truth, has no real cash flow…even the recruitment of board members is odd.

It’s genuinely astounding that large amounts of fans can’t see it..:

I cant help but be suspicious that the recruitment of board members was some kind of get out safety net. what's to stop him resigning from the board and disappearing now he's not the only shareholder. if he only paid £3 for the club as rumoured, its not like he has a big financial stake to walk away from.

Jason Herbert mocking Taft who has not been paid for a contractual agreement is comical , as he swigs white storm cider and oversees his cults page ; I'm sure he would be more sympathetic if his giro did not go in from the social .

I thought all football debts had to be paid in full in order to keep the licence to play in the EFL, presumably its the same in NLN? Woukd that not include wages and pensions being paid?

Ref Fenty, I’ll openly admit I thought he was doing just enough and therefore we should tolerate him for a long time. However due to him getting involved in something I was working on and demonstrating what an utter anus he was, that opinion changed and then, once all the other stuff came to light a realised I was deluded in having any sort of faith in him in the first place, despite previously defending him. Point is, we do want to make the very best out of what we have if we can. Scunny fans may be doing that now but the are even more deluded than I was. Massive problems up the M180 and I fear they may well not survive this one.

I can't believe that they are playing the whole game from Saturday again. Their players/fans must be well drunk off.

On the Buxton game, they had no choice. The rules state that if a game is abandoned before full time, and it's beyond the club's control (weather most certainly is), it has to be replayed in full. To do otherwise would go against their own rules. The result was still to play for, and we could have theoretically scored a goal in 6 minutes ordinarily, so it wouldn't be fair to assume Buxton would win.

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I can't believe that they are playing the whole game from Saturday again. Their players/fans must be well drunk off.

It’s irrelevant, anyway. Any points accrued against Scunthorpe will be expunged come the end of the season.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

On the Buxton game, they had no choice. The rules state that if a game is abandoned before full time, and it's beyond the club's control (weather most certainly is), it has to be replayed in full. To do otherwise would go against their own rules. The result was still to play for, and we could have theoretically scored a goal in 6 minutes ordinarily, so it wouldn't be fair to assume Buxton would win.

It doesn’t just say that, the next paragraph says the committee can deem the result final if it wishes to do so . They did have a choice . The ref could have taken them off for a bit then played the last 4 minutes

I agree the ref should have delayed, but the ref was a useless berk, so what do you expect? Once he'd abandoned though (after much confusion), I don't think there would be any other outcome besides a replay to avoid going against precedence.

Given that there was 6 minutes left and the rules clearly state that the ideal solution is a replay (whether you agree with this or not), I don't think it can be some big scandal. They replayed a game when Boston were 2-0 up due to a freak injury, after the 87th minute, so they really weren't going to do anything different here.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I agree the ref should have delayed, but the ref was a useless berk, so what do you expect? Once he'd abandoned though (after much confusion), I don't think there would be any other outcome besides a replay to avoid going against precedence.

Given that there was 6 minutes left and the rules clearly state that the ideal solution is a replay (whether you agree with this or not), I don't think it can be some big scandal. They replayed a game when Boston were 2-0 up due to a freak injury, after the 87th minute, so they really weren't going to do anything different here.

The ref's (mis) handling of it is the main factor. I've seen the footage and he clearly gives 3 peeps of his whistle, which you'd take to signify the final whistle. Otherwise he'd surely have peeped once, signalled both captains and managers together and explained to them. Instead some Buxton players go to question him, he mutters something to them as he's hurrying to the tunnel and they run off celebrating.
He's made a right pigs ear of it.

According to some who heard, he muttered "game's over." This would easily be understood as full time. I believe an FA monitor was there, so maybe he realised or was made to realise that he cannot blow for full time with allocated minutes left to play.

I don't like signalling out referees for criticism, they're human too, but I haven't see a ref that bad before. He had no control from minute one and was very unsure at times. I suspect he didn't know what to do with the downpour and unplayable conditions in an already feisty game, and just panicked.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

According to some who heard, he muttered "game's over." This would easily be understood as full time. I believe an FA monitor was there, so maybe he realised or was made to realise that he cannot blow for full time with allocated minutes left to play.

I don't like signalling out referees for criticism, they're human too, but I haven't see a ref that bad before. He had no control from minute one and was very unsure at times. I suspect he didn't know what to do with the downpour and unplayable conditions in an already feisty game, and just panicked.

If you had been winning 2-1 would you be unhappy with this decision?

I would be unhappy, and I don't blame Buxton fans for being unhappy, but I don't see how they can go against a rule interpretation and we'd just have to accept and get on with it.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I would be unhappy, and I don't blame Buxton fans for being unhappy, but I don't see how they can go against a rule interpretation and we'd just have to accept and get on with it.

It’s the National League mate; they can, and do, whatever the fúck they’re want.

Quoted from Poojah

It’s the National League mate; they can, and do, whatever the fúck they’re want.

My main takeaway from this latest Conference clusterf**k is that we must never, ever, ever allow ourselves to drop down there again.

And never let yourself go down to the national league north. If you think the refs are bad in the national league, you haven't seen the quality of this level. It's truly abysmal to mind boggling levels. Sometimes in favour of us, sometimes against; it's not bias, just inexperience and incompetence.

Am I right in thinking that because more than half of the game was played, tickets do not need refunding and Scunthorpe can actually charge fans that attended the original fixture for attending the replayed game?

I'm sure we had this debate when our game against Carlisle got abandoned last season, and our decent owners obviously did the decent thing.

Do red cards from abandoned games still count?

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

Do red cards from abandoned games still count?

Yes they do.

Kieran Maguire describes the Athletic article as what the lawyers allowed to be published and stated that the situation with our neighbours is a brownberg - i.e. the article and what is currently out there in the public domain is the 10% you can see, and the other 90% is a whole lot worse.

Yep, and I have heard some worse news for us is imminent.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Yep, and I have heard some worse news for us is imminent.

I’m not here to gloat, Lee, but can you elaborate at all? And i appreciate your name is very probably not Lee!!…….

It's not. My username is named after former Iron player, and Hull City enemy (to them as KVV is to you), Lee Hodges. I don't mind being called Lee.

I will stop being cryptic, but I have been told that Dave hasn't been paying the taxman.

I'm not going to lie , I would love to know the other 90%

I can't imagine he will stick around long enough for us to find out .

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

It's not. My username is named after former Iron player, and Hull City enemy (to them as KVV is to you), Lee Hodges. I don't mind being called Lee.

I will stop being cryptic, but I have been told that Dave hasn't been paying the taxman.

Lee Hodges was a really good player tbf

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

It's not. My username is named after former Iron player, and Hull City enemy (to them as KVV is to you), Lee Hodges. I don't mind being called Lee.

I will stop being cryptic, but I have been told that Dave hasn't been paying the taxman.

Oh right. Not to mention the pension fund, or ex players wages, etc….

What a mess.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Oh right. Not to mention the pension fund, or ex players wages, etc….

What a mess.

Sometimes, you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. A few years back, Scunny were criticised for spending 180% of turnover on wages. Now they’re spending 0% and people have still got it in for them.

Poor buggers.

O dear when you think it can't get any worse it does, I wonder if they'll make the Christmas fixtures without paying wages!

Quoted from Poojah

Sometimes, you’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t. A few years back, Scunny were criticised for spending 180% of turnover on wages. Now they’re spending 0% and people have still got it in for them.

Poor buggers.

I’ve been as critical of their previous over-spending as anyone, and I’ll admit I didn’t see the irony until you pointed it out!

Turns out that Buxton match might not be replayed then after all.

Quoted from LH

Turns out that Buxton match might not be replayed then after all.

Why ?

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

It's not. My username is named after former Iron player, and Hull City enemy (to them as KVV is to you), Lee Hodges. I don't mind being called Lee.

I will stop being cryptic, but I have been told that Dave hasn't been paying the taxman.

Hardly surprising, George Taft alleges he hasn't paid him for 2 months and was deducting pension contributions but not paying them.

I wonder what the deluded Jason Herbert makes of this allegation.

For now, with it only being rumours, it will be denied, I am sure.

When is the next board meeting expecting mass resignations

How many have been taken in by him ? It’s not as if he’s charming is it

What a shambles.
What a shame for the true fans

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

It's not. My username is named after former Iron player, and Hull City enemy (to them as KVV is to you), Lee Hodges. I don't mind being called Lee.

I will stop being cryptic, but I have been told that Dave hasn't been paying the taxman.

But he’s such an astute and not remotely criminal businessman. Surely not?!

He’ll be thinking of his exit strategy now. There will be fingers pointed all over the place and his acolytes will lap it up. The club is in big trouble but he won’t care. He must have seen what he thought was an opportunity to profit from but that hasn’t materialised so he’ll make his excuses and bow out. It’s abundantly clear that he hasn’t got the money to finance these big contracts for that league and certainly nowhere near enough to buy GP. The idea he would be able to help finance a new stadium is laughable, about as likely as me successfully going on a date with Margot Robbie.

I’m sorry for you Lee and all the genuine fans. But the cretins like Jason Herbert attacking anyone else who dares criticise the messiah deserve to lose their club. If you haven’t got the brain power to notice all the warning signs about Hilton/White/Anderson and, worse, push away sensible objections then more fool you.

Quoted from It Bites

How many have been taken in by him ? It’s not as if he’s charming is it

I think his appeal, besides just being not Swann, is that he's marketed himself as this lad who's just like others, a hard working (ha) father who doesn't see himself as above anyone. He has been to games, in the Scunny end (away games), mingling with fans and goes on social media to respond to questions and give his account. Many see this as him being an approachable chap and has gained trust of many. Then he has had the ability to launch accusations at any nay sayer, because he's just an honest guy, like you and me, and these agenda laden people just want to bring him down.

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I’m sorry for you Lee and all the genuine fans. But the cretins like Jason Herbert attacking anyone else who dares criticise the messiah deserve to lose their club. If you haven’t got the brain power to notice all the warning signs about Hilton/White/Anderson and, worse, push away sensible objections then more fool you.

I find it funny to see myself, and others, listed as genuine fans on here, because if you go on that cult page, we're not true fans who don't go to games, unlike them, and want the club to fail by hounding a good man out. I do find it so strange that many have gone down this cultish way of thinking, and I try to respect that others will think differently, but it's so infuriating when much of it is mad and they hurl insults and abuse at others for dissenting.Thanks for the sympathy though. One thing this last year has made me realise, is that we have much more in common, as rival fans, than before. I know some have been mocking, and I can't complain about mocking about the results too much, but there has been genuine sympathy from Mariners over our plight. Donny fans too, and some Hull. Not seen much Lincoln, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Quoted from Mappers

Lee Hodges was a really good player tbf

Did we have him on trial in the ITV digital summer? (the same summer Lee Sharpe didn't turn up for his)

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I think his appeal, besides just being not Swann, is that he's marketed himself as this lad who's just like others, a hard working (ha) father who doesn't see himself as above anyone. He has been to games, in the Scunny end (away games), mingling with fans and goes on social media to respond to questions and give his account. Many see this as him being an approachable chap and has gained trust of many. Then he has had the ability to launch accusations at any nay sayer, because he's just an honest guy, like you and me, and these agenda laden people just want to bring him down.

I find it funny to see myself, and others, listed as genuine fans on here, because if you go on that cult page, we're not true fans who don't go to games, unlike them, and want the club to fail by hounding a good man out. I do find it so strange that many have gone down this cultish way of thinking, and I try to respect that others will think differently, but it's so infuriating when much of it is mad and they hurl insults and abuse at others for dissenting.Thanks for the sympathy though. One thing this last year has made me realise, is that we have much more in common, as rival fans, than before. I know some have been mocking, and I can't complain about mocking about the results too much, but there has been genuine sympathy from Mariners over our plight. Donny fans too, and some Hull. Not seen much Lincoln, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

It’s interesting that you mention this ‘average Joe’ persona he’s tried to adopt. Fans have lapped it up which is understandable given the previous owners approach but the weirdness of it all has passed many by. He’s barely released anything officially, through the ‘right’ channels so to speak and much as we saw with Fenty on here, it’s merely him putting a poorly worded, often illiterate response to something that irks him.

He’s never done an honest days work in his life and the fact he drives around in a 4x4 Rolls Royce certainly doesn’t present him as an average Joe. Then, anyone with half a brain would start questioning why someone who’s businesses operate on either losses or zero income, often bankrupt, has access to the funds for such a motor…we can all speculate, probably quite accurately how he obtains such things. Again, fans have ignored this, well, plenty have anyway.

I do believe there’s a genuine sympathy when any club is badly run by egocentric, incompetent, and in your case criminals (apart from Franchise FC, they can flipping burn) and I’ve said it from day 1, it was funny from a football perspective watching scunny fall but I’d happily play Scunny every season over someone pointless like Crawley.

The cult is worrying and they really do seem blind to it. I thought the whole ‘get T-shirts of support’ made was a wind up but it wasn’t…that’s alarming. Even more so when those asking legitimate questions are being shot down, called Swann sympathisers, being told they don’t go regularly or they’re not proper fans (we had something similar at our ill-fated fans forum) by their own fans. Ironically really given my source of all things Scunny is a home and away fan, has been all his life and he’s as sceptical as we all are of Hilton, the critics are probably better placed than most…

It’ll continue to burn and if another HMRC letter arrives and he goes cap in hand to honest folk on the board again, surely it’s curtains for him moving forward. I know what my response as a director who’s already handed over £30k would be…

Quoted from aldi_01

It’s interesting that you mention this ‘average Joe’ persona he’s tried to adopt. Fans have lapped it up which is understandable given the previous owners approach but the weirdness of it all has passed many by. He’s barely released anything officially, through the ‘right’ channels so to speak and much as we saw with Fenty on here, it’s merely him putting a poorly worded, often illiterate response to something that irks him.

He’s never done an honest days work in his life and the fact he drives around in a 4x4 Rolls Royce certainly doesn’t present him as an average Joe. Then, anyone with half a brain would start questioning why someone who’s businesses operate on either losses or zero income, often bankrupt, has access to the funds for such a motor…we can all speculate, probably quite accurately how he obtains such things. Again, fans have ignored this, well, plenty have anyway.

I do believe there’s a genuine sympathy when any club is badly run by egocentric, incompetent, and in your case criminals (apart from Franchise FC, they can flipping burn) and I’ve said it from day 1, it was funny from a football perspective watching scunny fall but I’d happily play Scunny every season over someone pointless like Crawley.

The cult is worrying and they really do seem blind to it. I thought the whole ‘get T-shirts of support’ made was a wind up but it wasn’t…that’s alarming. Even more so when those asking legitimate questions are being shot down, called Swann sympathisers, being told they don’t go regularly or they’re not proper fans (we had something similar at our ill-fated fans forum) by their own fans. Ironically really given my source of all things Scunny is a home and away fan, has been all his life and he’s as sceptical as we all are of Hilton, the critics are probably better placed than most…

It’ll continue to burn and if another HMRC letter arrives and he goes cap in hand to honest folk on the board again, surely it’s curtains for him moving forward. I know what my response as a director who’s already handed over £30k would be…

When the court case is ruled in favour of Swann will he be owed backdated monies in rent ?

Hilton evidently has not got a pot to pi*s in so he won't be there in all probablility ; it's going to be a hell of an undertaking for their fans & potential investors + the new board to avoid the club being liquidated .

They are going to be in the fight of their lives to keep the club alive , the cult like following and comical nonsense talk is not going to get them through until the end of the season .

I do feel for their fans ,it's a couple of years there that you could not make up - it will make one hell of a netflix documentary that's for sure .

The sooner Hilton goes the better their chance of survival I think , probably at NLN /NL level and a period of living within their means while stabilising and paying off debt ; he drags it out and they may well pass the point of no return IMO - the wage bill , debts and ground situation could well make it unsalvageable .

Peter Swann ruined Scunthorpe Utd , Mr Anderson may well kill them.

Quoted from Mappers

When the court case is ruled in favour of Swann will he be owed backdated monies in rent ?

Hilton evidently has not got a pot to pi*s in so he won't be there in all probablility ; it's going to be a hell of an undertaking for their fans & potential investors + the new board to avoid the club being liquidated .

They are going to be in the fight of their lives to keep the club alive , the cult like following and comical nonsense talk is not going to get them through until the end of the season .

I do feel for their fans ,it's a couple of years there that you could not make up - it will make one hell of a netflix documentary that's for sure .

The sooner Hilton goes the better their chance of survival I think , probably at NLN /NL level and a period of living within their means while stabilising and paying off debt ; he drags it out and they may well pass the point of no return IMO - the wage bill , debts and ground situation could well make it unsalvageable .

Peter Swann ruined Scunthorpe Utd , Mr Anderson may well kill them.

Whatever happens, I do wonder how long it will be before we see Scunny play a League game again. It may be never.

It's like the cult of Boris and Trump.

Both known liars and bullsh1tters, who couldn't give a toss about their followers, and yet said followers slavishly defend them to the hilt.

It's easy to con people, but it's almost impossible to convince them that they have been conned.

Here’s a question. If Scunny want under and a phoenix (Bessemer) club were formed, would you offer help via crowd funding as Town fans. I think I probably would actually. Similar to how other clubs chipped into Operation Mariachi and the fans to the play off final.

They are a cult…..

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1019664078503060/permalink/1710404236095704/

Can't read that, was banned from there as were many others who asked awkward questions.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Here’s a question. If Scunny want under and a phoenix (Bessemer) club were formed, would you offer help via crowd funding as Town fans. I think I probably would actually. Similar to how other clubs chipped into Operation Mariachi and the fans to the play off final.

I was pondering that very question when reading Lee Hodge's Burger's posts, and yes I would.

Think it could well end with a phoenix club.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Here’s a question. If Scunny want under and a phoenix (Bessemer) club were formed, would you offer help via crowd funding as Town fans. I think I probably would actually. Similar to how other clubs chipped into Operation Mariachi and the fans to the play off final.

Probably. At the end of the day, 99% of football fans across the country are all the same but just happen to be born in a different place!

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

They are a cult…..

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1019664078503060/permalink/1710404236095704/

Wow!

Talk of getting David tattoos, building him a shrine in the car park, and getting tee shirts printed with his face on them.

All very Trumpian and quite alarming.

Quoted from ginnywings

Wow!

Talk of getting David tattoos, building him a shrine in the car park, and getting tee shirts printed with his face on them.

All very Trumpian and quite alarming.

They are Simpletons who deserve to lose their club . Lee Hodge and many other normal supporters don’t deserve this at all . With out free speech you end up with crap like this

Quoted from ginnywings

Wow!

Talk of getting David tattoos, building him a shrine in the car park, and getting tee shirts printed with his face on them.

All very Trumpian and quite alarming.

I recall one Trump’s acolytes in early days talking about “alternative facts” in an interview and thinking wtf, now it’s more or less mainstream…”Sunak says it’s completely wrong to suggest he slashed funding for school rebuilding…”

Quoted from It Bites

They are Simpletons who deserve to lose their club . Lee Hodge and many other normal supporters don’t deserve this at all . With out free speech you end up with crap like this

Their Iron Bru forum and podcast are decent , a number of thoughtful posters on there who are switched on to their ACTUAL situation - the Facebook group is where the simpletons lay in the main - obviously an easy target for dodgy Dave to prey on- the simple minded , desperate and the one's wanting their moment in the sun .

They will no doubt go awol like their cult leader when not if the s*it hits the fan shortly .

Do I want the club to go ?

No , just like I don't want Southend to - invariably it's the fans who are going to suffer after two idiots have used an asset for the community as their personal play things and in Hilton's case probably financial gain .

I don't think a phoenix club is the answer for them , just a trip back to reality and a period of trying to regain a sense of stability ; assuming they can find both the finance and leaders to move them to a better place .

Phew,
I was getting a bit worried that this thread was going to get to 350 pages without some folk bringing politics into it.
Thanks guys. If you can find any way of bringing racism in we can totally hijack it 👍

Quoted from Civvy at last

Phew,
I was getting a bit worried that this thread was going to get to 350 pages without some folk bringing politics into it.
Thanks guys. If you can find any way of bringing racism in we can totally hijack it 👍

Shhhhh don’t mention the Germans

Thanks for those who would consider donating for a phoenix club. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

There are parts of this story that the facts are clear on;
- DH has been known by at least 4 aliases *red flag*
- DH has served prison time for fraud *red flag*
- DH was acquitted on another charge of fraud *still a red flag*
- DH has been a director of countless companies that have been liquidated or gone bankrupt *red flag*
- DH comes up with dodgy fundraising schemes like the 1899 membership and hasn't refunded the money *red flag*
- DH makes outlandish promises that he can't keep such as a new stadium in 2 years *red flag*
- There is no obvious source of DH's wealth. *red flag*
- DH's business practices are extremely shady. The negotiations with Swann (who is also a wrongun) is particularly underhand, see also George Taft's wages/pensions and academy staff's wages. *red flag*

The bit that is uncertain for me and I still can't get my head around is what is actually in all of this for Hilton? The circumstantial evidence is there to see but what is the motive? There must be a grift somewhere but I can't quite pinpoint what it is. He only owns the club, he doesn't own any assets as such, the players he inherited were so bad there was no money to be made from them.

The only thing I can think of is whether he's trying to grind Swann down to see him GP for peanuts and then sell it on? But even that seems unlikely.

But for someone like David Hilton this whole thing is an extremely risky business. I'm sure someone with his past and present (driving a rolls royce with no obvious significant income stream) is known to the authorities already but putting himself in the public eye like this is a big risk. Yeah, it's only little old Scunny but now Kevin Maguire is talking about them almost monthly on the Price of Football, the Athletic are running pieces on him. He's now a person who at least in the football world is known outside of the region.

If anyone can enlighten me as to what on earth he's up to I'd love to hear ideas!

He's a property developer, all he wants is the land.

At some point in recent history, news outlets changed from telling people what they need to hear, to telling people what they want to hear.

People like Hilton exploit this expertly. They say the right words, to the right people. It doesn't matter that it's all baseless, and a pack of lies, because by the time these people hear about it being baseless, and a pack of lies, their commitment and loyalty is too great, and they'll go on the offensive to defend the indefensible.

It's hard to keep politics out of it, because that's exactly how modern politics works. You aren't allowed to call an 'honourable' man or woman a liar in the house of commons, but the prime minister can, with impunity, say whatever he likes — lie, basically — and then claim he was either misinformed or misunderstood elements of the subject.

It's a tactic that Sunak and Johnson before him have perfected. Instead of inviting more scrutiny, the loyalists come out with stock phrases like 'let them get on with the job' — that's effectively what Hilton's acolytes are saying now.

I don't really know how you counter that. My only thought is to be relentless and consistent with the indisputable facts. Shut arguments down before they even start with indisputable facts.

It's hard, and it's sad to watch this unfold. Rivalry can't exist if one side isn't being given the chance to compete.

Quoted from 123614

He's a property developer, all he wants is the land.

Correction - a Property NON developer .

Ask Nottingham City Council .

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Thanks for those who would consider donating for a phoenix club. Hopefully it doesn't come to that though.

Is anyone at your end of the m180 looking into how this might happen? Coz ,as an outsider, I hope someone is

Quoted from RichMariner

It's hard to keep politics out of it,

.

No it isn’t. It’s easy. You talk about Hilton’s role at Scummy.
You compare him (wrongly in my opinion) with Fenty.
You talk about wether you love what’s happening or you sympathise with the genuine fans. You talk about the FA fit and proper process. You talk about ground sharing. You talk about a phoenix club and many other aspects. No need to divert to politics at all.

Quoted from gtfc98

There are parts of this story that the facts are clear on;
- DH has been known by at least 4 aliases *red flag*
- DH has served prison time for fraud *red flag*
- DH was acquitted on another charge of fraud *still a red flag*
- DH has been a director of countless companies that have been liquidated or gone bankrupt *red flag*
- DH comes up with dodgy fundraising schemes like the 1899 membership and hasn't refunded the money *red flag*
- DH makes outlandish promises that he can't keep such as a new stadium in 2 years *red flag*
- There is no obvious source of DH's wealth. *red flag*
- DH's business practices are extremely shady. The negotiations with Swann (who is also a wrongun) is particularly underhand, see also George Taft's wages/pensions and academy staff's wages. *red flag*

The bit that is uncertain for me and I still can't get my head around is what is actually in all of this for Hilton? The circumstantial evidence is there to see but what is the motive? There must be a grift somewhere but I can't quite pinpoint what it is. He only owns the club, he doesn't own any assets as such, the players he inherited were so bad there was no money to be made from them.

The only thing I can think of is whether he's trying to grind Swann down to see him GP for peanuts and then sell it on? But even that seems unlikely.

But for someone like David Hilton this whole thing is an extremely risky business. I'm sure someone with his past and present (driving a rolls royce with no obvious significant income stream) is known to the authorities already but putting himself in the public eye like this is a big risk. Yeah, it's only little old Scunny but now Kevin Maguire is talking about them almost monthly on the Price of Football, the Athletic are running pieces on him. He's now a person who at least in the football world is known outside of the region.

If anyone can enlighten me as to what on earth he's up to I'd love to hear ideas!

Everything you mention is probably correct and he has managed to impose his ideas into the minds of a few hundred of Scunny fans and they are blindly following him as he goes along, what I can’t understand is one of the recently appointed club directors is Keith Waters who is a Director of the European Golf Tour who must be a very astute chap as well as being very successful financially, how does someone like this manage to get involved with Dodgy Dave ?

Quoted from Spurn boy

Everything you mention is probably correct and he has managed to impose his ideas into the minds of a few hundred of Scunny fans and they are blindly following him as he goes along, what I can’t understand is one of the recently appointed club directors is Keith Waters who is a Director of the European Golf Tour who must be a very astute chap as well as being very successful financially, how does someone like this manage to get involved with Dodgy Dave ?

Keith is a Scunthorpe lad . I think he’s a contemporary of Stephen Bennett the Waltham Windmill pro.

Are the players getting paid ?i'v not heard anybody say they're not & should imagine wage bill be large for level so my nxt question will be if he so skint how is paying players upto 2k a week ? i know he sounds & prob is dodgy but maybe somebody from afar funding his project

Quoted from Civvy at last

No it isn’t. It’s easy. You talk about Hilton’s role at Scummy.
You compare him (wrongly in my opinion) with Fenty.
You talk about wether you love what’s happening or you sympathise with the genuine fans. You talk about the FA fit and proper process. You talk about ground sharing. You talk about a phoenix club and many other aspects. No need to divert to politics at all.

I chose to compare him to Boris and Trump, merely from a psychological point of view, as in that they are all men who have hoodwinked acolytes into compliance, because they are lying, manipulating sociopaths who care not one jot for their followers, only themselves. I could have used other cult leaders as examples, i.e. Charles Manson or David Koresh, as their politics wasn't the point of my post. Is psychology also a banned subject in your "only football related posts allowed" world?

Conversations evolve, and guess what? As much as politics creeping into threads annoys you, your constant pointing out of threads being "hijacked" annoys me, but I can live with it.

Quoted from gtfc98

The bit that is uncertain for me and I still can't get my head around is what is actually in all of this for Hilton? The circumstantial evidence is there to see but what is the motive? There must be a grift somewhere but I can't quite pinpoint what it is. He only owns the club, he doesn't own any assets as such, the players he inherited were so bad there was no money to be made from them.

For me everything he has done up to now screams franchise. I think he thinks he can do an MK Dons and wants to move the club out of Scunny.

Quoted from forza ivano

Is anyone at your end of the m180 looking into how this might happen? Coz ,as an outsider, I hope someone is

At the moment, none that I know of. At the moment any attempts will be seen as undermining Hilton, I suspect.

Quoted from ginnywings

I chose to compare him to Boris and Trump, merely from a psychological point of view, as in that they are all men who have hoodwinked acolytes into compliance, because they are lying, manipulating sociopaths who care not one jot for their followers, only themselves. I could have used other cult leaders as examples, i.e. Charles Manson or David Koresh, as their politics wasn't the point of my post. Is psychology also a banned subject in your "only football related posts allowed" world?

Conversations evolve, and guess what? As much as politics creeping into threads annoys you, your constant pointing out of threads being "hijacked" annoys me, but I can live with it.

I hardly think 3 times in the last few months equates to constantly. Unless you’re a sensitive soul.
It’s a football forum, so why should conversations evolve into politics. Hilton is a con man. I was conned (by a Labour PM) into believing I was fighting a just war in Iraq. It turned out I wasn’t. But I don’t bring that up that link on a football forum. I won’t be continuing this in this thread as it would make me a hypocrite.
And ironically, as it stands I will be voting Labour at the next election!!

UTM

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

For me everything he has done up to now screams franchise. I think he thinks he can do an MK Dons and wants to move the club out of Scunny.

They would have to have some league standing for that to be worthwhile surely ? At the moment they are in with the pub teams

Quoted from Les Brechin

I can't believe that they are playing the whole game from Saturday again. Their players/fans must be well drunk off.

If there was that much water on the pitch they should have put the subs on.

Quoted from supertown

They would have to have some league standing for that to be worthwhile surely ? At the moment they are in with the pub teams

There was a theory going round a while back that went along the lines that Swann/Hilton weren't that opposed to each as it appeared.  Crux of this masterplan was Hilton takes the football club elsewhere, the why aspect of it was never really developed on but this was around the time he was actually trying to pretty much take it to Ilkeston.

That left a vacant stadium and supporting area for Swann to sell on for whatever development.

Hilton gets a football club.  Swann gets a free ride for flogging the land off.

At the time I thought there might be something in it.  However considering the sheer expense and effort they're going through, including going to court, it feels less and less likely.   However, stranger things have happened.

08/09/23 – County Court Judgement – £463.00 – Case No. K5AA9Y66. Another one to add to the list.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

If there was that much water on the pitch they should have put the subs on.

Very good!!😊

To be fair if the ref at Notts County had blown up 6 minutes early in May 2022 we would still be playing in the National League. So a replay seems fair.

Fentyesque

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1019664078503060/permalink/1710933846042743/

I can't read it mate , I'm banned .

Any chance of a copy & paste ?

Has Hilton continued the drama ?

This was our last convo

DH

I don’t have any other convictions. But the situation is simple now mate. I’ve put the club up for sale but nobody wants it. The consortium never had the money last time and still don’t. They are not interested and I’ve offered it at a considerable financial loss to myself for the good of the club. That means that if I step away the club dies. If I don’t pay money to lawyers to continue submitting docs against Swann he gets us out in a week. I didn’t give the stadium away, yet I seem to be blamed now for that to.
If I don’t pay HMRC there will be a winding up petition put out next week.

If I don’t pay players they will leave and an embargo would stop any coming in.

If I don’t pay the bills the club will get 60 CCJs and winding up petitions in a month.

You see, people want to judge me on what I did 12 years ago. They want to judge me on things that I’ve not done rather than everything I am going Press and media want to say the FA should have more stringent checks. What have I done wrong, why does nobody mention that I saved a club in Ilkeston days from death, spent fortunes and saved a community club that is now thriving, or that I got 600 kids integrated there and paid £1m for a 4g pitch so they are altogether. What about the works and donations to less fortunate and charitable organisations, what about all the money I have put in to Scunthorpe for no reward, the 70 hours a week I’ve put in and not worked my day job, what about the fact that since I came in nobody has helped me, the council promised Quibell park for training but then change their mind because of American football (priorities right) or Ian sharp the saviour actively suing the club for 150k what about the fact the council made me spend thousands on securing land in town for a stadium with the promise of assistance to last week tell me they have no money to contribute. What about the really big businesses up there that are not interested, I’ve done everything up there on my own with the only help being the true supporters coming through the turnstiles and small and medium sized businesses supporting us. Nobody else gives a excrement.

I’ve had Taft come out playing the victim but what people don’t know is that he refused to play the final 5 games, he signed for another club with a signing on fee but told them to withheld the registration so he could con another 6k from
Us and people wonder why I’m not paying him. Why has he not gone to the PFA. What about Richard Smales who sold sponsorship and hospitality packages at a loss to the club to fund his own pocket via commission, then when he’s sacked plays the victim and now wants £6k from the club after practically stealing from us.

When you consider what I’ve gone through and the attacks on me for bringing Jimmy in, then the academy then training out of town then the dossier then they want to highlight all the things I’ve not done with no mention of all the things I have it’s a disgrace. I’m not playing the victim but for a certain mob to think I owe apologies because I denied prison and denied my past in February which I was legally entitled to do is balderdash. I owe nobody up there a dam thing.
People can continue, they can continue to bring up my daughter and her home she works Dam hard to provide for herself and is proud, they can ridicule me for my failings, for my past and for the things I get wrong. But know this mate, them cowardly life destroying journalists and especially those trolls up there that hide behind fake accounts will never achieve what I have, I’ve said before, my life has broken
Pieces and it’s littered with mistakes but it also has an almighty comeback and regardless of the real dark place I’m in right now I’m a better man for the path I took. This has affected not just me and the club but also my family, friends and businesses. I’m to ashamed to leave my house and I never deserved that.
People will now see what happens when I don’t pay the bills. The ones missed have either slipped through the net or are in negotiation or quite simply won’t be paid for reasons I’ve mentioned. But they are a drop in the ocean compared to everything I have paid and sorted and now i need to decide if I stop paying and let the people who say it was for the good of the community to practically murder me publicly pat themselves on their own back for potentially killing a football club.
Please thank everyone who supports me and I promise if I continue moving forward it is solely for them. I’m one of them and always have been.

Finally Jason, why do you think I’m all for giving second chances, you’ll see the same people get blamed in DRE that were previously banned. Any mis directed fart is their fault, just because they made a past mistake or two. Judgement of others is rife. The funniest thing is when they say that if I’d been honest about things in February they would of been more supportive, would they intercourse they would have lynched me and the club would have been dead already. Apologise I flipping won’t.

This stuff is pretty car crash stuff and as luck would have it these two donuts infront can’t even concentrate on keeping a car on the M1 while I’m trying to save my football club 🤬🤬

Historically Grimsby has always been Labour and will be again after the next General Election.
For my part I am a member of the Monster Raving Loony party started by my friend Lord David Sutch.
His fan club was run by a lady in Nunsthorpe, and I am led to believe that his drummer, Carlo Little, married a Tetney lady.

You may well ask, what has this to do with Scunthorpe United Football Club.

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear…for some months now it’s been clear that this would end in disaster at some point, but not quite “when” or “how”. It seems we now have that clarity.

RIP Scunny.

Hilton/White/Anderson is a sociopathic narcissist. What a load of tripe.

Reading that crap, I am left wondering if Dave thinks he has responsibility for anything?

What's more likely? That everyone he deals with is rotten and out to get him or that he is the source of the problems?

Sweet jesus , thanks for posting Titty .

Seems like he want's to take as many people down with him as possible

That may well be his 'exit interview ' delivered from his second in command .

And right at the end, "Apologise I flipping won’t."

One has to ask why? Why would he put himself through all that pain, when he has absolutely no affiliation with the town. I’d assumed he’d originally seen a property deal there that he could make money from. But thinking his past would not eventually come back to haunt when you buy a football club that’s recently had Championship status, especially when it’s fraud, is just delusional.

I’m not playing the victim but…

Holy excrement the blokes an absolute mentalist

I think somebody , sometime soon will be able to write *Closed* on this thread .

Classic ‘destroy and exit’

Quoted from Marinerdan

Classic ‘destroy and exit’

An Athletico Mince fan, Dan, by any chance?!

I hope this thread ends soon; it’s massively entertaining but also I’m exhausted by this, it’s a saga that’s gone on too long.

This idiot, Mr David, still doesn’t get that the club he’s now trying to sell is NOTHING without Glanford Park. When any prospective buyers come along and see the wage bill Hilton has created, they’ll run a mile.

I've always wondered if the man of many names was just a stalking horse put in by Swann to deflect some of the flak but this didn't seem too likely given the shenanigans in court. I'm still not entirely there isn't something in the theory, but make no mistake, Swann killed the club. Hilton has just been dancing a jig on its remains.

There’s threats flying around on the fan page now . Fans destroying anyone who is asking why this essay of BS wasn’t released through the proper channels. How can anyone believe him ? The club is worth nothing . It’s up to its eyeballs in dept .

One more thing he keeps saying that he will have to pay the bills ? I’d it not the football club that does that ? If if it’s unsustainable then who’s fault is that ? They are getting brilliant crowds to fund things but who allowed the unstable wage bill ?

Quoted from It Bites

One more thing he keeps saying that he will have to pay the bills ? I’d it not the football club that does that ? If if it’s unsustainable then who’s fault is that ? They are getting brilliant crowds to fund things but who allowed the unstable wage bill ?

You would get banned from that fan page for those sort of sensible questions .

I got culled for far less

Just another cod trying to destroy Hilton's dreams of taking The Iron right through the leagues .

Quoted from Heisenberg

An Athletico Mince fan, Dan, by any chance?!

I hope this thread ends soon; it’s massively entertaining but also I’m exhausted by this, it’s a saga that’s gone on too long.

This idiot, Mr David, still doesn’t get that the club he’s now trying to sell is NOTHING without Glanford Park. When any prospective buyers come along and see the wage bill Hilton has created, they’ll run a mile.

I wondered if anyone would get the reference!

There is a few on Twitter labelling Hilton 'a legend '

-shafted a load of kids by text message and social media ,saying the academy is closed .
-Told the fans the 'deal was done ' for the club ,land and ground ; everything ' only for it not to be .
- Fails/failed to pay creditors because he does not want to (although no doubt contractually obligated to)
- Abused their Iron Bru podcast /forum labelling them as 'vermin' after they asked reasonable questions
- Said he would deliver a new 'purpose built' stadium by May 2025 with the help of the council (which they knew nothing about )
- Denied ever having any other previous names at their fans forum ,  apart from White & Hilton - saying it was for family reasons .
- Various burner accounts appeared on Twitter  offering  anyone who had any sort of doubts with threats , accusations and vile abuse . It was not Dave ,but he said he had only ever been Hilton / White so who knows.
- He said Scunthorpe Utd would 'always play at Glanford Park ' 6 months later it is revealed an agreement is in place for Scunthorpe to play home games at Gainsborough Trinity if they are evicted from Glanford Park.
- then there is the ticket scheme , all of the wild statements , Sherbet , all the actual naughty stuff which is just a small amount of it by all accounts and whatever I have forgotten in this insanely non-believable show down the road over the last nine months .

Some legend

Quoted from It Bites

One more thing he keeps saying that he will have to pay the bills ? I’d it not the football club that does that ? If if it’s unsustainable then who’s fault is that ? They are getting brilliant crowds to fund things but who allowed the unstable wage bill ?

Yep. If you can't afford 6th division wages on gates of 4000+ then there's something seriously amiss. And if you're spending that much in that division and still not top then you've got a pretty shite manager!

It’s a bit of an aside given all the issues at Scunthorpe but I’d imagine their bank and service providers (card terminals, DD origination etc) will be having some serious conversations about exiting the club.

In commercial banking it’s fairly standard to do searches on shareholders criminal convictions as well as any aliases they declare. Any directors with a conviction for fraud would normally result in closure notices being issued. Negative press articles are also picked up for review.

Banks are very hot on this at the moment as Santander were fined over £100m this year as their process wasn’t robust enough.

Quoted from Marinerdan

It’s a bit of an aside given all the issues at Scunthorpe but I’d imagine their bank and service providers (card terminals, DD origination etc) will be having some serious conversations about exiting the club.

In commercial banking it’s fairly standard to do searches on shareholders criminal convictions as well as any aliases they declare. Any directors with a conviction for fraud would normally result in closure notices being issued. Negative press articles are also picked up for review.

Banks are very hot on this at the moment as Santander were fined over £100m this year as their process wasn’t robust enough.

Didn't he make it cash only?

Quoted from It Bites

One more thing he keeps saying that he will have to pay the bills ? I’d it not the football club that does that ? If if it’s unsustainable then who’s fault is that ? They are getting brilliant crowds to fund things but who allowed the unstable wage bill ?

It would seem that he hasn't been paying all the bills, so why would he start paying them now?

Apart from money, he needs a bucketful of comma's, full stops and question marks.

What a rambling load of old tosh. "I did it for you, the people of Scunthorpe, and now I can no longer carry on with all the criticism aimed at me", for basically being a liar and bullsh1tter.

What a mess, and again it's the fans who will suffer, while he slopes off into the sunset, leaving a trail of destruction behind him.

One has to ask who chairs the fit and proper test meetings?

Sherbet has now deleted the rant . Absolute clowns

Maybe he’s waiting for an FA Cup football fortune before he pulls the plug 😬

My first season supporting Town 71/72. 4th division. Town1st, Southend 2nd, Brentford 3rd, Scunny 4th. Now Southend and Scunny on the brink, Town suffer two non- league spells and look at Brentford. Shows what good and bad ownership can do to a club.

Quoted from mariner91

Yep. If you can't afford 6th division wages on gates of 4000+ then there's something seriously amiss. And if you're spending that much in that division and still not top then you've got a pretty shite manager!

*appointed a new manager without telling the old one he had lost his job

Quoted wrong post there sorry.

Quoted from Titty

*appointed a new manager without telling the old one he had lost his job

*made manager redundant live on air *

I remember that season very well
We played Southend away on a Friday night

'I did it for the people of Scunthorpe.'

Why? You're not from Scunthorpe, you had no affiliation with Scunthorpe before you bought the club.

I think we all know the real motive behind his purchase, but to the fans at least, what's he said that gives them any reason to believe he's emotionally invested in the club and the town?

It's just really weird all round.

Quoted from RichMariner

'I did it for the people of Scunthorpe.'

Why? You're not from Scunthorpe, you had no affiliation with Scunthorpe before you bought the club.

I think we all know the real motive behind his purchase, but to the fans at least, what's he said that gives them any reason to believe he's emotionally invested in the club and the town?

It's just really weird all round.

Let’s not forget he’s tried to buy other teams. These girl privates are as bad as badge kissers…

He did it to steal some money, flipping ironic he accuses Taft of stealing…

Quoted from Townforlife

My first season supporting Town 71/72. 4th division. Town1st, Southend 2nd, Brentford 3rd, Scunny 4th. Now Southend and Scunny on the brink, Town suffer two non- league spells and look at Brentford. Shows what good and bad ownership can do to a club.

And a West London location.

Quoted from always grimsby

I remember that season very well
We played Southend away on a Friday night

Was there went in a reliant robin lost 3-1 I do believe. driver tired on the way home so slept in the back of the robin In a layby on the A1 bloody thing rocked like hell every time a lorry passed

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/eastmidlands/news/2075960-david-hilton-allegedly-unable-to-sell-scunthorpe-united

An own goal of epic proportions by Herbert.

Quoted from paulmblythe

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/eastmidlands/news/2075960-david-hilton-allegedly-unable-to-sell-scunthorpe-united

An own goal of epic proportions by Herbert.

Herbert by name ……… he’s a simpleton that doesn’t realise every word he types is being scrutinised vigorously. 😂😂 what a mammary

If the minority carry on were not going to have a club to support and cheer on so if I were them I'd think long and hard about what would happen if he decided to walk away I really do hope he sees past them mindless idiots and carries on the good work we need to be more united than either for scunthorpe united and more importantly for DH if anything he deserves a heap of praise for what he's done here and more no one leads a perfect life nobody doesn't go through life without making mistakes so if DH can see this there's a lot of support coming your way continuously

More wise words . The Scunny Fans page is incredible

It’s like a cult, it’s so bizarre. Any criticism is filtered out & what you’re left with are some very strange people who despite all that’s happened are talking about getting David Hilton tattoos!

This is absolutely a cult being created before our very eyes. Despite all the lies he has told and the revelations some scunny fans just reject reality to prove they are the ones with the most faith in the messiah. Truly bizarre.

That Fans Forum will be culpable for the demise of their club . Herbert will go down as a hero of the simpletons

I wonder how many of them would jog down the bank if he asked them to lend him a grand. 🤦‍♂️

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

I wonder how many of them would jog down the bank if he asked them to lend him a grand. 🤦‍♂️

Aye!

Wonder how much the new directors were required to chip in to join and what they think now. They were surely relatively uninformed non football people as anybody more clued up would have known to steer clear.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

I wonder how many of them would jog down the bank if he asked them to lend him a grand. 🤦‍♂️

Not many. Only 60 fools gave £1899, so his support isn’t THAT stupid.

Reminds me of our time with F**ty. "but who else will take the club on? " "he's doing his best" blah blah blah. Always better looking from the outside in but surely they can deep down see its not going well and the club jmhas no long term future with him

Did they draw today in the cup qualifying?

Found it 0-0 😬

Quoted from supertown

Did they draw today in the cup qualifying?

Found it 0-0 😬

Not sure there is any need for that sarcasm..

They were playing Brackley after all.

FFS why are people continuing to post on this thread when our club is such a shambles as evidenced by today…

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

FFS why are people continuing to post on this thread when our club is such a shambles as evidenced by today…

Text book case of displacement behaviour

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

FFS why are people continuing to post on this thread when our club is such a shambles as evidenced by today…

Because it’s titled ‘Scunthorpe’ why you bothering to read it you misery

Quoted from HerveJosse

Text book case of displacement behaviour

Should I see someone about it?

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

FFS why are people continuing to post on this thread when our club is such a shambles as evidenced by today…

Our club is not in a shambles, today’s result and performance was disappointing for us all but at least we know our club is going in the right direction unlike the Scunts who have no idea what’s happening next. UTM

Quoted from Spurn boy

Our club is not in a shambles, today’s result and performance was disappointing for us all but at least we know our club is going in the right direction unlike the Scunts who have no idea what’s happening next. UTM

Hmm - I need to be more blatantly ironic - but I’m now not sure about this displacement behaviour thing. Maybe deep down I really do think we are a shambles…

I suspect that one or two of the Scunny players (more of them, if they've got any sense) are getting a bit nervous about the arrival of their next paypacket person which is likely to affect their performances...

This, from the Business Desk article makes me want to puke:-

“Please thank everyone who supports me and I promise if I continue moving forward it is solely for them. I’m one of them and always have been.”

And they conclude, “I’m trying to save my football club.”

Quoted from 123614

This, from the Business Desk article makes me want to puke:-

“Please thank everyone who supports me and I promise if I continue moving forward it is solely for them. I’m one of them and always have been.”

And they conclude, “I’m trying to save my football club.”

It’s horrific to think he’s one of them .

Anymore Jason Herbert revelations or is he staying quiet now?
it's been a few days of no entertainment from my favourite drama , need some more chaos .

Funnily enough, I watched Catch Me If You Can for the first time at the weekend (only 20 years too late).

If you haven't seen it, it's a film about a young American man (late teens) who poses as someone about 10 years older than he really is, to win their confidence, get jobs with authority and then he takes their money (at a time when you could easily forge cheques).

He's an airline pilot, a doctor and a barrister throughout the film.

It kind of proves that if you walk into any room with the air and authority of someone who truly believes they have all that they say they have, then you win the confidence of others.

It's also how investment works. Investors put their money in businesses that show enough confidence in the market. Buy low, sell high. If you're good at selling low (i.e. another DiCaprio film, Wolf of Wall St) then you don't need to do anything else, you have their money.

Hilton has walked into this Scunny episode with nothing but a history of failure. On the surface, he talks a good game and has a nice car. He's a pro at blagging. But that's it, and now the world sees him for what he is, except those who choose not to.

Someone once told me that you can't 'reason out' people from a situation if they didn't use reason going into it.

It's sort of fascinating, while also very weird, and sad.

Quoted from Mappers

Anymore Jason Herbert revelations or is he staying quiet now?
it's been a few days of no entertainment from my favourite drama , need some more chaos .

It’s all gone quiet over there

Quoted from RichMariner

Funnily enough, I watched Catch Me If You Can for the first time at the weekend (only 20 years too late).

If you haven't seen it, it's a film about a young American man (late teens) who poses as someone about 10 years older than he really is, to win their confidence, get jobs with authority and then he takes their money (at a time when you could easily forge cheques).

He's an airline pilot, a doctor and a barrister throughout the film.

It kind of proves that if you walk into any room with the air and authority of someone who truly believes they have all that they say they have, then you win the confidence of others.

It's also how investment works. Investors put their money in businesses that show enough confidence in the market. Buy low, sell high. If you're good at selling low (i.e. another DiCaprio film, Wolf of Wall St) then you don't need to do anything else, you have their money.

Hilton has walked into this Scunny episode with nothing but a history of failure. On the surface, he talks a good game and has a nice car. He's a pro at blagging. But that's it, and now the world sees him for what he is, except those who choose not to.

Someone once told me that you can't 'reason out' people from a situation if they didn't use reason going into it.

It's sort of fascinating, while also very weird, and sad.

Hmmmmm I concur!

Quoted from Mappers

Anymore Jason Herbert revelations or is he staying quiet now?
it's been a few days of no entertainment from my favourite drama , need some more chaos .

He has discovered tonight that Braintree Town were established before Scunthorpe United and have the same nickname as them, which he describes as being rude.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

He has discovered tonight that Braintree Town were established before Scunthorpe United and have the same nickname as them, which he describes as being rude.

I don't know when Scunny adopted 'The Iron' as a nickname, but they were traditionally known as 'The Nuts' which they should consider switching back to given the current situation

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Quoted from bedders78

I don't know when Scunny adopted 'The Iron' as a nickname, but they were traditionally known as 'The Nuts' which they should consider switching back to given the current situation

It was knuts, to be fair. However, there might be no point in changing anything given today's news.

Rumours flying round that they’re finished.

Wow, the sh!te has really hit the fan now!

According to Twitter, the Vice Chairman, Keith Waters has resigned, allegedly.

Feel for the genuine fans, but those who have backed Hilton, Abused anyone with a different view to them, can get stuffed, we all knew this would happen.

Hiltons a piece of bullshitting horse droppings

Quoted from Hagrid

Feel for the genuine fans, but those who have backed Hilton, Abused anyone with a different view to them, can get stuffed, we all knew this would happen.

Hiltons a piece of bullshitting horse droppings

Agreed mate, I joined their FB Group a while back as I was interested in what was going on, but as soon as I asked a couple of awkward questions, I was kicked out and banned.

They're probably trying to work out how to blame this on fans who were critical or how HMRC and IPM are scamming the club and honest Dave is right not to pay out.

Most must realise the situation now surely , most knew it 8 months ago surely they have caught up . Barring Herbert .

I think those who were just hoping Hilton would come good, and saying what other choice we have, are wising up now. Seen a few of them make comments that suggest they know it's dreadful.

The ardent backers on the Facebook cult are either blaming those who were sceptics for it (blood on their hands, apparently). No idea what Smitho, Herbert and co are thinking.

Quoted from It Bites

Rumours flying round that they’re finished.

Where are the rumours?

You will have Hilton & Herbert on Judge Judy arguing over the none payment of his retainer next .

Apparently some members of the FB group has there houses posted on Facebook and threatened if they didn’t shut up .

Quoted from It Bites

Apparently some members of the FB group has there houses posted on Facebook and threatened if they didn’t shut up .

Probably why Humberside have been so reluctant to cover it.

Edit: just to be clear, they're posting pictures of fans' houses and saying "I'd keep quiet if I were you, we know where you live"? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Writing was on the wall as soon as it was clear the deal on GP wasn’t happening.

Very sad situation and end of an era if they do go under - I’ve a lot of old school friends who are Iron fans. Never liked GP, but us old feckers on here remember many a battle (on and off the pitch) at the Old Show Ground. The last time was the FA Cup game - when we were about 40% of an 11k crowd. I think only their Leeds Cup games had bigger crowds in the last 40 years.

Then there was the Scunny v Lincoln game in about 76 when Graham Taylor was manager at Lincoln. I was in the Donny Road with Scunny mates and some Town fans turned up in the Fox Street and started scrapping with the Lincoln fans - who is owning up?

Herbert has had a 62 minute call with a David White (screenshot provided):

I might have a laugh and put you down but I will never ever let you down. You asked and I will deliver.

As previously stated I don’t ring or message DH first except that time my phone was in my pocket and my poor male private gets lonely so it goes through my contacts looking for other dicks to talk to…. One time it rang DH in my pocket but I bollocked my male private and apologised to Dave and he understood and laughed. He just rang, well I say just, he’s been on over an hour lol

Mr Hilton will be doing a press release once he has sat down and digested everything that’s appeared on social media but I’m gonna have ten minutes writing down my thoughts on todays matters and the last few weeks and post in a bit.

Having just read the statement to me, somethings I was already privy to and some things I didn’t and are going to be a shock.

What David did say was that if it wasn’t for the support he received from the fans once that Athletic article came out he wouldn’t even be here…. I’m taking that to mean the club and not this earth. Had enough mates go lately

RIP Captain 💔

The resignations (or most of the appointments to be fair) aren't on Companies House yet.

The bloke might as well change his name to David Koresh and have done with it.

He’ll be trying to move them to Jonestown, never mind Ilkeston.

Quoted from ska face

The bloke might as well change his name to David Koresh and have done with it.

He’ll be trying to move them to Jonestown, never mind Ilkeston.

Still on upgrade on Scunthorpe.

Love me some low hanging fruit.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The resignations (or most of the appointments to be fair) aren't on Companies House yet.

It takes time for any updates. It took a while for them to appear as directors.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Herbert has had a 62 minute call with a David White (screenshot provided):

I might have a laugh and put you down but I will never ever let you down. You asked and I will deliver.

As previously stated I don’t ring or message DH first except that time my phone was in my pocket and my poor male private gets lonely so it goes through my contacts looking for other dicks to talk to…. One time it rang DH in my pocket but I bollocked my male private and apologised to Dave and he understood and laughed. He just rang, well I say just, he’s been on over an hour lol

Mr Hilton will be doing a press release once he has sat down and digested everything that’s appeared on social media but I’m gonna have ten minutes writing down my thoughts on todays matters and the last few weeks and post in a bit.

Having just read the statement to me, somethings I was already privy to and some things I didn’t and are going to be a shock.

What David did say was that if it wasn’t for the support he received from the fans once that Athletic article came out he wouldn’t even be here…. I’m taking that to mean the club and not this earth. Had enough mates go lately

RIP Captain 💔

First thing I did when I read this was to check the poster as it had one of Knut’s wonderful surreal rambles written all over it. I’ve just been on the Scunny Facebook and it’s genuinely from Jason Herbert… words fail me. Looks like we may be in for a Dave special announcement sometime shortly.

Oh, and I’m up in Scunny in the next hour so I’ll see if I can report back of any rebellion going on.

Due to staff travelling to this evenings game an official statement has been delayed.

I will confirm that I have known about the Athletic article for 7 weeks. It was fairly obvious the news was going to cause massive embarrassment for me and there was a strong possibility it would create a lack of support. I made the decision weeks ago that I would temporarily limit my funding contribution to cover current staff wages only.
This is why after 7 months of no serious issues despite the mess inherited we now have a winding up petition with another to follow in due course. We also have numerous CCJs and ex staff waiting on redundancy payments.
Please understand that any money I put into the club is lost forever and whilst I’m still committed to funding the club it has to be under the right circumstances.

I can confirm the club is up for sale. I do not see how my reputation can ever be repaired fully at the club even with success and therefore I will be looking for ways to limit my exposure and exit without it affecting the clubs playing side or it’s future existence.

I will fund your club to ensure its survival, and the playing side will be unaffected until a new owner is found.

Sweet Jesus 😂😂

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1019664078503060/permalink/1713504699118991/

It’s gonna go bang very very soon

The club is worth duck all

I do feel for their fans, the one's with clarity of thought and realisation of the severity of their situation .

But much like a TV series that I enjoy , know the likely ending of at the finale ,I want a few more twists and turns before we reach our final destination .

I have every confidence Sherbet , Hilton and co will not let me down .

Right on cue

The gift that keeps on giving

I’ve only seen the Jason Herbert stuff on here until now, just at a look at some of his posts . Ffs he’s mentally ill, how are the other idiots falling for this . It’s beyond reason

Shall we have a whip round to raise the £22 sherbet claims is owed to the security company who’s issued a winding up order

It’s £22k isn’t it?

I can’t be arsed to read all this thread so can anyone tell me are those rats down the road fooked or not ?

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

It’s £22k isn’t it?

I think so but sherbert said in a ramble it was £22

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

I can’t be arsed to read all this thread so can anyone tell me are those rats down the road fooked or not ?

Not just fooked
Properly royally fooked fooked

In all probability the club goes

Have they got any forward players up to league 2 ?

Quoted from Mappers

Not just fooked
Properly royally fooked fooked

In all probability the club goes

Have they got any forward players up to league 2 ?

Injury prone, but Cal Roberts looked a real talent at Notts County during our season down in the National League. 1:10 for example.

Quoted from It Bites

Due to staff travelling to this evenings game an official statement has been delayed.

I will confirm that I have known about the Athletic article for 7 weeks. It was fairly obvious the news was going to cause massive embarrassment for me and there was a strong possibility it would create a lack of support. I made the decision weeks ago that I would temporarily limit my funding contribution to cover current staff wages only.
This is why after 7 months of no serious issues despite the mess inherited we now have a winding up petition with another to follow in due course. We also have numerous CCJs and ex staff waiting on redundancy payments.
Please understand that any money I put into the club is lost forever and whilst I’m still committed to funding the club it has to be under the right circumstances.

I can confirm the club is up for sale. I do not see how my reputation can ever be repaired fully at the club even with success and therefore I will be looking for ways to limit my exposure and exit without it affecting the clubs playing side or it’s future existence.

I will fund your club to ensure its survival, and the playing side will be unaffected until a new owner is found.

Sweet Jesus 😂😂

That's the telling sentence right there. He can now say the right circumstances weren't present when he leaves, because only he knows what they are.

The majority of the funds will be coming from the fans anyway, in the form of ticket sales.

Quoted from Poojah

Injury prone, but Cal Roberts looked a real talent at Notts County during our season down in the National League. 1:10 for example.

He’s already injured and out for a few months.

Not forgetting the poor buggers who shelled out for the own the club fund . Idiots ! Wasn’t that 3k?

That statement is a cue call for other NLN clubs to cry foul. He is explicitly stating he will pay players that club clearly cannot afford if the club met all its financial obligations including those creditors already with CCJs in their favour.

His argument is literally an article and unsupportive fans means he doesn't feel like paying people what they're owed. It's absurd, but too many lap it up.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/september/official-statement-from-club-chairman-david-hilton/

I'm at Brackley tonight and they havent even brought 100 fans.pathetic turnout

Another woe is me statement. He is a flipping disgrace

Where is the White Knight when he is needed ? I would like to think if our club was on the point of death he would be riding over the hill now.

Not sure about a white knight, think Scunny are currently looking at a white horse riding their way.

Quoted from forza ivano

I'm at Brackley tonight and they havent even brought 100 fans.pathetic turnout

I mean it's only been a few day's notice, motivation may have been sapped by recent shenanigans, it's a long journey and someone said £25 a ticket during a cost of living crisis.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I mean it's only been a few day's notice, motivation may have been sapped by recent shenanigans, it's a long journey and someone said £25 a ticket during a cost of living crisis.

To be fair your support has been incredible this season

Step forward J S F …………

That statement is astounding. Like bravo Hilton/white/Armstrong/Jones/Mandela, whatever your name is. That is some effort.

I never thought a Merlot soaked, illiterate rambling littered with woe is me rhetoric, delivered at 11:44 on a Saturday night after a 1-0 defeat at home to a made up team would ever be beaten but that is something else.

I mean, for all his rambling about a well researched, well written article, he does nothing to refute anything they’ve said, instead choosing the defence of all celebrity sex cases ‘but I helped X charity’…Scunthorpe fans believed it could never get worse than Swann, it has. It really has. It’s going to get worse and with the admittance that they’re essentially paying above what the club can genuinely afford, Christ on a bike it’s gonna get flipping messy.

Naturally, our results are what matters, how our club performs is our focus but seriously, when you stand back and just survey the situation, suddenly, a urine poor performance away from home when suffering key injuries really pales into insignificance…we don’t know we’re flipping born.

Jesus H Christ on a bike.

Their fans are staring into the sky, praising the guy and waiting for the rapture.

Why can't they see? The guy never had the money, he hasn't paid the bills and he hasn't saved their club, they're going to die, and soon.

They need to start a phoenix club and pretty damn sharpish.

It’s actually a cult isn’t it? It is genuinely fascinating how they’re lapping all this total nonsense up. It would be hilarious if it wasn’t for the fact they’re clearly going to become extinct.

Quoted from supertown

Scunny 1 up at HT

Elliott, the ex Boston lad with their only real chance.Firzsimmons has kept them in the game with 4 v good saves. Shrimpton n Butterfield look half decent, but brackley should be level, if not in front. Our old chum Danny newton leading the line for them

There has to be a documentary on this lot surely ?

Right through from Swann to this donut with all the little co-stars to .

It could be a movie .

Some show

Quoted from forza ivano

Elliott, the ex Boston lad with their only real chance.Firzsimmons has kept them in the game with 4 v good saves. Shrimpton n Butterfield look half decent, but brackley should be level, if not in front. Our old chum Danny newton leading the line for them

All they need is to get to QF and everything will be fine.

Actually though they should be kicked out the competition based upon that statement.

Photocopier companies, hand dryer companies, ex players, former investors....all lining up to sue the club. Then the taxman waiting in the wings.

If only there was a common denominator in this whole drama.

If they make it to October I'll be amazed.

All this statement says is, I spent a shed load of money on signing 11 players to keep us up last season that the club couldn’t afford and I’ve spent more than that this season on players we can’t afford. So that’s why I haven’t paid any other bills and it’s everyone else’s fault but mine.
I’m no accountant but this bit caught my attention:

The most frightening part of these numbers is that not even 50% of the payroll amount was for the playing staff. Our payroll now contains less than 50 people with a top line of £130,000, reduced by nearly a third. Better still over 80% is paid to the footballing side of the club and I am sure everybody can see the impact that has made.

Does that mean that roughly 40 people in the first team squad and management are on 2 and a half grand a week ?

I work with a scunny fan who’s supported them since 1967, he’s totally taken in by dodgy Dave and thinks everyone should give him a chance !

Quoted from Mappers

There has to be a documentary on this lot surely ?

Right through from Swann to this donut with all the little co-stars to .

It could be a movie .

Some show

Far more fun than that shite about Wrexham or those stories where the team invariably wins…

Ok, so the paragraph that caught my eye was this:

“The payroll when I came into the club contained over 160 staff each month, the monthly amount was in excess of £180,000. The most frightening part of these numbers is that not even 50% of the payroll amount was for the playing staff. Our payroll now contains less than 50 people with a top line of £130,000, reduced by nearly a third. Better still over 80% is paid to the footballing side of the club and I am sure everybody can see the impact that has made.”

So originally circa 160 staff were paid circa £180,000 per month, with circa 50% of that on player wages – so about £60,000 per month on player wages.

They now have circa 50 staff at £130,000 per month, 80% of which is on player wages – about £104,000 per month.

I’m terrible at maths, but if that works out, it means he’s taken on a debt-ridden club (presumably having carried out some sort of an economic assessment of the asset he was taking on) and yet still increased the monthly playing staff wages from £60,000 to £104,000 per month? In NLN.

If we forget about all of the other stuff for minute… this on its own is bonkers, isn’t it?

Quoted from Captaincod

All this statement says is, I spent a shed load of money on signing 11 players to keep us up last season that the club couldn’t afford and I’ve spent more than that this season on players we can’t afford. So that’s why I haven’t paid any other bills and it’s everyone else’s fault but mine.
I’m no accountant but this bit caught my attention:

The most frightening part of these numbers is that not even 50% of the payroll amount was for the playing staff. Our payroll now contains less than 50 people with a top line of £130,000, reduced by nearly a third. Better still over 80% is paid to the footballing side of the club and I am sure everybody can see the impact that has made.

Does that mean that roughly 40 people in the first team squad and management are on 2 and a half grand a week ?

Ah, sorry, I've just seen your post. I bet a few people are going to notice this...

Brackley last minute equaliser, after dominating the 2nd half 😅😅😅

2-1 96th min 😂😂😂

There’s a poll on their Facebook group asking after all that’s happened today does Hilton still have their support:
Yes - 176
Unsure - 4
No - 3
🤦‍♂️

3-1 99th min 😂😂😂😂😂

Russell Brand’s currently sat at home thinking “well at least I’m not a fúcking Scunny fan”

I know there are people on here who are very much “Fenty had his supporters, they were just as bad”, but no. Think of it like this; if a prospective buyer agreed to pay £3m for Blundell Park and then blatantly tried to get the fans to pay it, we’d have noticed and reacted en masse. Then, if he’d pulled out of the deal on a technicality, the Grimsby mentality would have immediately said “he can’t afford it, he’s a charlatan”. It’s simple, and so are the Scunny fans for not seeing the signs.

Idiocy of the highest level. End this nonsense now, and liquidate them.

Quoted from supertown

3-1 99th min 😂😂😂😂😂

So 3-1 to who?

Ahh just seen the result.

Quoted from 123614

So 3-1 to who?

The home team 🤨

Could be their last FA Cup game for a while…

Quoted from supertown

The home team 🤨

And no downpours in sight

Quoted from ska face

Russell Brand’s currently sat at home thinking “well at least I’m not a fúcking Scunny fan”

He’d probably happily be fúcking one, mind.

What?!? Do I understand this correctly? Mr Convicted-Changeaname isn't paying the redundancy due to people who have been laid off and they are still thinking he is the new messiah? What?!?!?!

Surely I've got that wrong?

Quoted from Bogtrotter

What?!? Do I understand this correctly? Mr Convicted-Changeaname isn't paying the redundancy due to people who have been laid off and they are still thinking he is the new messiah? What?!?!?!

Surely I've got that wrong?

Surprised that the Scunny fans are not bothered that loyal staff, who may have worked there for years, have not received their legal entitlements whilst the money is instead thrown towards player wages that are in excess of the income. Just sums them up really and no doubt the local Scunny fan who comes in our local will still believe that the new ground is being built. It’s like watching Brassic, it’s that unbelievable

Not the day for serious questions as I can't stop giggling but.....

How on earth did he pass a fit and proper persons test and the proof of funds hurdle ? Seriously....how ?

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Surprised that the Scunny fans are not bothered that loyal staff, who may have worked there for years, have not received their legal entitlements whilst the money is instead thrown towards player wages that are in excess of the income. Just sums them up really and no doubt the local Scunny fan who comes in our local will still believe that the new ground is being built. It’s like watching Brassic, it’s that unbelievable

Exactly this. I'd be mortified of my club were doing this, not fawning over the Chairman who should be getting them sorted.

Quoted from supertown

3-1 99th min 😂😂😂😂😂

Danny Newton with a 96th minute 25 yard screamer, then Andrew Boyce gives away a 99th minute penalty, which Brackley tuck away for a deserved 3-1 win & rounded off a near perfect evening!
Fitzsimmons, Scunny keeper, was easily their motm. They showed absolutely nothing after they scored, with Brackley dominating and missing chance after chance, including another penalty which Fitzsimmons saved.

Quoted from Heisenberg

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Idiocy of the highest level. End this nonsense now, and liquidate them.

That’s a bit harsh mate. I know they’re pretty dumb in believing in Hilton. But you can’t just liquidate 2000 people !!! 😉😂😂

So out of a 4K gate, there are about 1,200 STs = money already spent. 2,800 left at £18 per ticket gives a top line income of £50 grand, averaging 2 home games a month so £100K, but this is the maximum and not allowing for those who attend and get concession prices.

A windy freezing cold night at GP may only bring out 2,000 less STs so hopefully he gets 1,000 paying fans, giving a maximum income@ £18 per head of £18,000. So a mid week home and Saturday Home could bring him in a mere £68K, on average,which is not enough to pay the wage bills as shown on this thread.

Apart from the numerous debts he has accrued, these new debts as he claims to have cleared the inherited debt! there are the unstated debts to solicitors, which he claims is running into £1,000's without giving actual figures.

All I can see is not enough money coming in to service the running costs. I am not a financial wizz kid but the known figures coming less the known figures + unknown going out will leave one thing BANKRUPTCY.

I feel sorry for the genuine fans, like the 100ish quoted as going to Brackley but I think they better bite the bullet and start phoenix club. As for those who swallow every word, DH says then as the saying goes nothing is more easy than separating a fool and his money.

Have i missed something.... That weird facebook group still think he's the saviour????

As a life long supporter of SUFC, first match attended in 1958 I want to thank you Mr Hilton for your efforts in keeping the club alive and a viable concern. The previous incumbent acted disgracefully during and post his time as chairman. I would like to sincerely ask you to reconsider your position. You have been a much needed breath of fresh air at Glanford Park. I believe with you at the helm SUFC can be steered back to the Football League. Talk is cheap Mr Hilton, you have not only talked the talk you have walked the walk. To those who wish to castigate you for past misdemeanours, I say hoist two fingers to them. There is huge gratitude and support in the Iron community for you Mr Hilton, take it and run with it.
To many of us you are the clubs saviour.

Really honest statement he needs to do what's best for him and his family but swann has a hell of alot to answer for thank you David Hilton

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I wouldn't wish them going bust, i really wouldn't but why are they still so deluded

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Have i missed something.... That weird facebook group still think he's the saviour????

As a life long supporter of SUFC, first match attended in 1958 I want to thank you Mr Hilton for your efforts in keeping the club alive and a viable concern. The previous incumbent acted disgracefully during and post his time as chairman. I would like to sincerely ask you to reconsider your position. You have been a much needed breath of fresh air at Glanford Park. I believe with you at the helm SUFC can be steered back to the Football League. Talk is cheap Mr Hilton, you have not only talked the talk you have walked the walk. To those who wish to castigate you for past misdemeanours, I say hoist two fingers to them. There is huge gratitude and support in the Iron community for you Mr Hilton, take it and run with it.
To many of us you are the clubs saviour.

Really honest statement he needs to do what's best for him and his family but swann has a hell of alot to answer for thank you David Hilton

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I wouldn't wish them going bust, i really wouldn't but why are they still so deluded

Probably written by Mrs.Hilton! :)

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

Ok, so the paragraph that caught my eye was this:

“The payroll when I came into the club contained over 160 staff each month, the monthly amount was in excess of £180,000. The most frightening part of these numbers is that not even 50% of the payroll amount was for the playing staff. Our payroll now contains less than 50 people with a top line of £130,000, reduced by nearly a third. Better still over 80% is paid to the footballing side of the club and I am sure everybody can see the impact that has made.”

So originally circa 160 staff were paid circa £180,000 per month, with circa 50% of that on player wages – so about £60,000 per month on player wages.

They now have circa 50 staff at £130,000 per month, 80% of which is on player wages – about £104,000 per month.

I’m terrible at maths, but if that works out, it means he’s taken on a debt-ridden club (presumably having carried out some sort of an economic assessment of the asset he was taking on) and yet still increased the monthly playing staff wages from £60,000 to £104,000 per month? In NLN.

If we forget about all of the other stuff for minute… this on its own is bonkers, isn’t it?

I have a snappy headline to sum this up : 'football club saviour makes 110 local people jobless'......how's he still got any support after that revelation? They're up in arms any time the steelworks lays a few off

They sound right up to the Hilt-on with it all...

Quoted from OddShapedBalls

I have a snappy headline to sum this up : 'football club saviour makes 110 local people jobless'......how's he still got any support after that revelation? They're up in arms any time the steelworks lays a few off

Exactly. This business genius has managed to get rid of 68.75% of the workforce but only managed to reduce wages by 27.77% per month.

Ironically, as DB figured out above, the 60/70-odd grand earned every couple of home games almost covers the on-field costs as they were before Hilton arrived. Assuming their crowds stayed at roughly what they are now (although there's no guarantee of this, especially if they stay in NLN for a while) then you could see how a prudent business person could stabilise the club and gradually sort through mess that Swann left, but isn't Hilton just doing what Swann did when they were in League 1? Unsustainably throwing a load of money at it and gambling for promotion? That alone should be enough to ring alarm bells.

Quoted from Maringer

I suspect that one or two of the Scunny players (more of them, if they've got any sense) are getting a bit nervous about the arrival of their next paypacket person which is likely to affect their performances...

Given last nights result you may well be right.

Quoted from kafunanapar140909

Exactly. This business genius has managed to get rid of 68.75% of the workforce but only managed to reduce wages by 27.77% per month.

Ironically, as DB figured out above, the 60/70-odd grand earned every couple of home games almost covers the on-field costs as they were before Hilton arrived. Assuming their crowds stayed at roughly what they are now (although there's no guarantee of this, especially if they stay in NLN for a while) then you could see how a prudent business person could stabilise the club and gradually sort through mess that Swann left, but isn't Hilton just doing what Swann did when they were in League 1? Unsustainably throwing a load of money at it and gambling for promotion? That alone should be enough to ring alarm bells.

If you were willing to take on a project , actually cut the cloth accordingly and run it as a proper business they would still have been able to compete at the top end of the NLN and cut their debts . Saint David has just gone the other way and put the final nail in

Going , going .....

I know many on here have seen the absurd and deluded reactions of many on that comical Facebook group and can't believe how many seem to be swallowing the rubbish. I agree that it's too many, and may be a majority, but they are not as ubiquitous as they like to make out. Herbert says 95% back Hilton, but I am sceptical it's *that* many.

There are a few on twitter who have expressed dislike, disbelief or scepticism of Hilton. This includes 1500club, Dropshort, fans64, The Ref, SaleIron, Bad Apple, northwestiron, Decking_Murr, Carl Gac, Aidan McCartney, Jordan Zakarin, Jim Coulson, John G Knight, Stu Johnson, George Luya, JB59795482, Mr Callum, Lancsiron, Greeny501, ironforever99, Matt Ellis, SwannHilton, Filing Iron, Andy Ripley and some others I have forgotten from the top of my head.

Then there are several on the Iron Bru forum, who may be the same as some of the tweeters, but not all. Then there will be those who don't engage in discussions online and are in disbelief. There's a sizable amount of us who aren't blinded.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I know many on here have seen the absurd and deluded reactions of many on that comical Facebook group and can't believe how many seem to be swallowing the rubbish. I agree that it's too many, and may be a majority, but they are not as ubiquitous as they like to make out. Herbert says 95% back Hilton, but I am sceptical it's *that* many.

There are a few on twitter who have expressed dislike, disbelief or scepticism of Hilton. This includes 1500club, Dropshort, fans64, The Ref, SaleIron, Bad Apple, northwestiron, Decking_Murr, Carl Gac, Aidan McCartney, Jordan Zakarin, Jim Coulson, John G Knight, Stu Johnson, George Luya, JB59795482, Mr Callum, Lancsiron, Greeny501, ironforever99, Matt Ellis, SwannHilton, Filing Iron, Andy Ripley and some others I have forgotten from the top of my head.

Then there are several on the Iron Bru forum, who may be the same as some of the tweeters, but not all. Then there will be those who don't engage in discussions online and are in disbelief. There's a sizable amount of us who aren't blinded.

In that case start making preparations for Phoenix Club now and you hit the ground running.

The latest official club statement sets out the ongoing financial situation the club faces. It seems home gate receipts are much lower than speculated, between 44k and 75k a month assuming two home games. So the owners have an immediate shortfall to fund just to cover the players wages. There are also numerous outstanding debts to pay too.

Not sure how you can bring the club back to a break even basis. It would mean laying off half the playing staff, but they presumably have one or two year contracts that would need paying off.

So either someone with very deep pockets needs to cover ongoing losses or they will surely end up in administration.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I know many on here have seen the absurd and deluded reactions of many on that comical Facebook group and can't believe how many seem to be swallowing the rubbish. I agree that it's too many, and may be a majority, but they are not as ubiquitous as they like to make out. Herbert says 95% back Hilton, but I am sceptical it's *that* many.

There are a few on twitter who have expressed dislike, disbelief or scepticism of Hilton. This includes 1500club, Dropshort, fans64, The Ref, SaleIron, Bad Apple, northwestiron, Decking_Murr, Carl Gac, Aidan McCartney, Jordan Zakarin, Jim Coulson, John G Knight, Stu Johnson, George Luya, JB59795482, Mr Callum, Lancsiron, Greeny501, ironforever99, Matt Ellis, SwannHilton, Filing Iron, Andy Ripley and some others I have forgotten from the top of my head.

Then there are several on the Iron Bru forum, who may be the same as some of the tweeters, but not all. Then there will be those who don't engage in discussions online and are in disbelief. There's a sizable amount of us who aren't blinded.

I think there’s probably a fair proportion that are very much cynical and rightly so about Hilton that don’t engage with those platforms. I knew several people who were vehemently against Fenty but didn’t use social media or the fishy so I’m with you on that one.

I know one of those tweeters really well and he’s been cynical but also pragmatic through all of this but, he, much like you is terrified of how Hilton behaves and that moving from Swann to Hilton hasn’t actually done anything, or saved the club as he likes to tell people.

It’s a tragic state really and what’s even more tragic is there’s too many that seem to challenge any conversation that questions Hilton, even in a sensible, thought our way.

I commented on the SUFC Facebook group following the ‘official statement’ but I deleted the words and simply placed a well known Gif from the Simpson’s episode about the cult…ironically, nobody challenged me…perhaps they literally can’t see it…

Quoted from DB

In that case start making preparations for Phoenix Club now and you hit the ground running.

At this juncture I’d argue it looks more likely than not that the club will cease to exist before this season has run its course. That seems almost an inevitability to me.

If we accept dissolution as a given, the biggest threat to some level of senior football in Scunthorpe in the near term is the polarisation of the fan base. Bury are a good case in point; division between two distinct groups of fans meant it took three years to get the club up and running again at the lowest rung of the footballing ladder. Even then, they’re currently only 5th in a league comprising such lesser lights as Glossop North End, AFC Liverpool and Prestwich Hays.

Someone with half-a-brain needs to be making concrete contingency plans NOW, not when the club goes POP.

It will be a long, long time before we see a league fixture between Grimsby and Scunthorpe, if ever. And I do think that’s a sad statement of fact.

Quoted from DB

In that case start making preparations for Phoenix Club now and you hit the ground running.

Just don't let that Herbert fellow anywhere near the running of it.

A phoenix club would probably need to be on the agenda pronto given everything, though it needs to be handled carefully. The divisions would maybe end up with people refusing to support it, while our current club exists. Bury is a good analogy, and there are still rifts in the fanbase between those who worked with Bury AFC and those who tried to keep the old Bury going.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

A phoenix club would probably need to be on the agenda pronto given everything, though it needs to be handled carefully. The divisions would maybe end up with people refusing to support it, while our current club exists. Bury is a good analogy, and there are still rifts in the fanbase between those who worked with Bury AFC and those who tried to keep the old Bury going.

Floating the idea would be a good start though. Acquire some respectable business nous, a couple of ex-player crowd favourites backing it and proper media exposure ie talking to Radio Humbs regularly about potential plans etc.

It's all much simpler on paper, of course.

Quoted from Poojah

At this juncture I’d argue it looks more likely than not that the club will cease to exist before this season has run its course. That seems almost an inevitability to me.

If we accept dissolution as a given, the biggest threat to some level of senior football in Scunthorpe in the near term is the polarisation of the fan base. Bury are a good case in point; division between two distinct groups of fans meant it took three years to get the club up and running again at the lowest rung of the footballing ladder. Even then, they’re currently only 5th in a league comprising such lesser lights as Glossop North End, AFC Liverpool and Prestwich Hays.

Someone with half-a-brain needs to be making concrete contingency plans NOW, not when the club goes POP.

It will be a long, long time before we see a league fixture between Grimsby and Scunthorpe, if ever. And I do think that’s a sad statement of fact.

Would be better if someone with a whole brain did it.

Does anyone know why he asked Keith Waters, one of the directors, to step down? He was only appointed in July.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Would be better if someone with a whole brain did it.

Rules out Sherbet and the rest either way

2 short planks comes to mind

Or The Following

Quoted from Bogtrotter

Does anyone know why he asked Keith Waters, one of the directors, to step down? He was only appointed in July.

Probably only Keith Waters knows, I just couldn’t understand how a Director of the European PGA tour could get involved and trust someone like David Hilton, I know Keith is is a local guy and probably a Scunny fan but looks like a poor decision on his part to be taken in by Dodgy Dave.

Quoted from Spurn boy

Probably only Keith Waters knows, I just couldn’t understand how a Director of the European PGA tour could get involved and trust someone like David Hilton, I know Keith is is a local guy and probably a Scunny fan but looks like a poor decision on his part to be taken in by Dodgy Dave.

Agree

Quoted from Bogtrotter

Does anyone know why he asked Keith Waters, one of the directors, to step down? He was only appointed in July.

May be he didn’t ask him to step down. Would make sense for it to be yet another lie from Dave.

You’d imagine Waters to be a relatively astute bloke as well as a scunny fan. Probably asked some questions and was met with the same vitriol folk online have been met with…

The rumours I heard were flowing that Waters resigned on his own accord after becoming jaded with Hilton.

Herbert's now running his mouth saying critics should be banned from the ground again.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

The rumours I heard were flowing that Waters resigned on his own accord after becoming jaded with Hilton.

Herbert's now running his mouth saying critics should be banned from the ground again.

Probably won't matter for much longer unfortunately.

https://unexpecteddelirium.substack.com/p/scunthorpe-united-this-is-what-this

another excellent article

I mean, another journalist publishing stuff that isn't in the public interest

I may not be representative of what grimbarians at large think, but personally I’m sad about all of this Scunny demise.

Unfortunately the football authorities have continued to demonstrate their ncompitence and lack of judgement to run the game.

How can it be right that 75% of Premier league teams are foreign owned?

It’s creeping down into the Championship too.

Maybe it’s time for the true fans of English teams to stand up and say we are not having it.

Or are too many pockets being picked and too much craving for success amongst fans of foreign owned clubs become established in the mindsets of the morons of Premier league fans for the inevitable demise of English football to arise.

Personally I’m all for football clubs to reflect the wishes of their local supporters. Thank goodness we have Jason and the current regime at the club I have loved for over 60 years…

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Probably won't matter for much longer unfortunately.

In a few months if he sticks around , he won't be able to ban anyone from Gainsborough will he

Im thinking of buying Scunthorpe United Football Club.

I have recently had a lottery win and I am willing to spend all £25 on buying the club.

Where do i apply?

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Im thinking of buying Scunthorpe United Football Club.

I have recently had a lottery win and I am willing to spend all £25 on buying the club.

Where do i apply?

£25? Just use £5, you will still get some change back.

£25 to purchase a business with zero assets, cataclysmically unmanageable running costs, multiple CCJs and winding up orders, a 10000% debt ratio, and is to all intents and purposes already completely and utterly insolvent?

I’d keep your £25 if I were you.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

I may not be representative of what grimbarians at large think, but personally I’m sad about all of this Scunny demise.

Unfortunately the football authorities have continued to demonstrate their ncompitence and lack of judgement to run the game.

How can it be right that 75% of Premier league teams are foreign owned?

It’s creeping down into the Championship too.

Maybe it’s time for the true fans of English teams to stand up and say we are not having it.

Or are too many pockets being picked and too much craving for success amongst fans of foreign owned clubs become established in the mindsets of the morons of Premier league fans for the inevitable demise of English football to arise.

Personally I’m all for football clubs to reflect the wishes of their local supporters. Thank goodness we have Jason and the current regime at the club I have loved for over 60 years…

So the root of the problem is owners not being English then. Fascinating insight that. Are you suggesting thast David Hilton/White/Whatever actually has another name? David Al Saud Billy Bob Vladimirovmich the Third perhaps? Maybe I've missed something but greed, egotism and sheer flipping stupidity cross all boundaries including race, gender, politics and shoe size.
Can't wait to see a demise arise though.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

I may not be representative of what grimbarians at large think, but personally I’m sad about all of this Scunny demise.

Unfortunately the football authorities have continued to demonstrate their ncompitence and lack of judgement to run the game.

How can it be right that 75% of Premier league teams are foreign owned?

It’s creeping down into the Championship too.

Maybe it’s time for the true fans of English teams to stand up and say we are not having it.

Or are too many pockets being picked and too much craving for success amongst fans of foreign owned clubs become established in the mindsets of the morons of Premier league fans for the inevitable demise of English football to arise.

Personally I’m all for football clubs to reflect the wishes of their local supporters. Thank goodness we have Jason and the current regime at the club I have loved for over 60 years…

I am sad for the good one's like Lee Hodge here and most of the Iron Bru lot as they know their stuff +quite a few on Twitter who obviously know their football  - one guy has known something was off from the start and has passionately ralied against Hilton from the outset just to be abused ; he now does not want praise or apologies , just for the club to survive - he's what I would call a proper fan and no doubt there are many more .

I don't particularly hate Scunthorpe Utd I have never minded them , mainly seen them as our slightly smaller neighbours that punched above their weight in the Championship through excellent recruitment, a solid chairman and organisation . Alright Van Veen was a bit of a pr*ck and that irked me in the lower but they provided a good local derby , we probably even envied them slightly, a team in Swann's words that he wanted to 'take right through ' the leagues . We were on a different trajectory , with a custodian that would the following season claim we were 'punching above our weight ' at a meteoric 7th in the National League .

Last year Peter Swann stated in one of his interviews that Scunthorpe Utd fans are 'not easy ' and that 'if they go off on a tangeant the club goes ' . Another insight from a man who has lost 20 million pound + on a gambling addiction was 'don't you dare compare me with Fenty ,we are completely different characters , I have put a lot of money into this club '. Well maybe , but dishonest John did not leverage the stadium (and basically the clubs future ) against his own company , but fair enough .

In another interview from  the disastrous conference season , while trying to sell the club , with the Iron Bru podcast Swann was asked how the sale of the club was developing his reply was 'it's not easy , who would want to make up a million pound shortfall every season ?!

Again he said it was 'not easy ' .

There was a brief period when lifelong fans Ian Sharp & Simon Elliott were close to purchasing the club , but either a lack of finance or co-operation from Swann on the asking price and ground put an end to that . So Scunthorpe Utd were in the hands of Swann again who wanted to sell -'I want out , but there is just nothing there at the moment ' were his exact words .

In January there is progress .

David Hilton confirms he has taken over Scunthorpe Utd , Hilton states 'the deal includes the stadium , club and land '  and that 'any remaining debts will be eradicated in due course '  Hilton also adds the deal has 'been done very quickly '  he also thanked supporters for their support . .

A month later Hilton announced plans for a '1899' membership  , which would mean supporters pay £1899 pound for a 'lifetime membership'  with in Hilton's words 'other benefits '  - hospitality benefits and a special prize draw . The figure ironically added upto around same amount Swann was demanding for the ground ,around 3 million pound .

Hilton then claimed in the same interview the deal for the land and ground was 'imminent' and that the deal was not 'untoward' . 'Him and Pete' would never commit to something if both of them had not legally agreed to do so'.

In April Hilton 'removed himself from social media ' claiming' trolls are disruptive '
and to 'judge me on what is visible '.
Hilton then went onto say he 'enjoys making pancakes and that his life is relatable with a people carrier and 6 kids , snd that he is not Jason Bourne ' .
He then went onto say he changed his name 'I changed my name for personal reasons my family name is White , I changed my name to Hilton ; I have never had any other names ' .

Hilton states he 'want's to build a legacy for his family and make them proud '
He then confirms he has provided proof of fund for 'all debts ''

He says he has paid 400k + to HMRC already at this point .
'100's and 100's thousands of pounds Hilton states.

In May Scunthorpe Utd hold a fans forum , in which Hilton asks it to not to be documented . The first hour is undisclosed but by all accounts involves 'an agenda ' against former owner Peter Swann .  Simon Elliott confirms Hilton can provide proof of funds as he has seen them himself and basically asks fans to back off , as without Hilton there is no club .

Hilton reveals at the forum that there are plans for a new 'state of the art ' stadium in the pipeline funded from himself , local authority and other investment he adds that the stadium 'will be delivered in two years ' (18 months at the time of writing ) at some point land is acquired on the Glebe road  site at which Hilton intends to build his masterpiece .

North Lins council seemed  unaware of this development .

There were minor revelations in between this period
-Hilton will try 'an idea ' to recruit high end academy player and loan them out , create a profit because the club had not capitalised with sell-on clauses in the past .
-Hilton said that Scunthorpe Utd would be 'moving all operations ' apart from gameday to Ilkeston Town - this was then reversed because the fanbase were less than happy about it.

There was now some opposition of David Hilton , mainly from fans on social media . They opposed his tenure and thought their wage budget was 'over inflated ' for NLN . 'Trolls ,liars and fans of other clubs with an agenda' called Hilton's ever growing fanbase out only to be told 'Hilton is the best thing to happen to us' from his ever growing crew .

Innocent Bystander on the Iron Bru forum continues to rage war on Hilton , whether that's as a genuine football lover in general or someone who 'has an agenda ' against him I'm not sure - I would probably have an agenda against him , if he had ripped me off on my rates as Mr Anderson /White but I will put that to one side .

In the last month Jordan Zakarin , Matt Slater and Kieran Maguire all produce articles or podcasts relating to Scunthorpe Utd . Slater says that Hilton has 'had 4 names ' double the amount he had previously stated - the two he had for 'family reasons ' . He never volunteered the information that he had been convicted . Maguire insists Scunthorpe are hitting a S#itberg and Zakarin , who by all accounts helped force Swann out the club insists  and has stated 'Hilton has sunk the club with more  debt than he started with ' will probably get abused .

Jason Sherbet and  Barley have been fully supportive of Hilton , with 'late night drops' at his house and unnoficial statements on their facebook page .

George Taft an ex player who has not yet received his wage , is now publishing that 'at least 5 more have not been paid '

George Taft had a contractual agreement , that some but not all of the Scunthorpe Utd fanbase think should be obliged .

Over to you David &Peter
But more likely over to the fans

Who the hell is this Jason Sherbert bloke other than being a complete simpleton?

Quoted from gtfc98

Who the hell is this Jason Sherbert bloke other than being a complete simpleton?

A bystander who supports vermin

Given the general response to Dave (can’t be bothered what his name is) from Scunt fans, fuckem is what I say. If they’re that desperate, then let them go bust.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Given the general response to Dave (can’t be bothered what his name is) from Scunt fans, fuckem is what I say. If they’re that desperate, then let them go bust.

They are brown bread mate

The more you read, the more dark it gets. So there are ex players, like George Taft, who haven't been paid. How on earth are the FA allowing them to operate?

@mappers is right. They are done.

Like I said before I’m not bothered about their future anymore. The loud bullies have spoken and deemed DH to be the one . As the sensible supporters have no voice and in some cases are afraid to speak out they are fooked .

This is what happens when democracy fails , so if ever you wonder why the government keep the simpletons happy ? This is why

Not only that, but people with the money to help out, like Simon Elliott, seem to be fine with Hilton. At least outwardly.

I know people are desperate and it's hard to get people to see that they've been fooled, but it's ridiculous. His excuse for not paying those he owes is daft, it shows he doesn't have the money. Yet I still hear how hounding him out would kill the club. I appreciate that we need a new owner, that this is difficult, but we can't function with him!

They are dancing with the devil, because they can’t see an alternative. It’s just blind faith

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Not only that, but people with the money to help out, like Simon Elliott, seem to be fine with Hilton. At least outwardly.

I know people are desperate and it's hard to get people to see that they've been fooled, but it's ridiculous. His excuse for not paying those he owes is daft, it shows he doesn't have the money. Yet I still hear how hounding him out would kill the club. I appreciate that we need a new owner, that this is difficult, but we can't function with him!

Elliott hasn't been seen or heard since he proudly told everyone everything was fine and he had personally seen proof of funds.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Elliott hasn't been seen or heard since he proudly told everyone everything was fine and he had personally seen proof of funds.

It begs the question as to why these funds are not being used to pay the club's debts. Did they really exist on a bank statement or just on paper?

Mentioning paper it looks like the cracks in their finances are too big to paper over. LOL (sorry I'll get my coat)

Elliott was pictured in a video with Herbert last week at the pub, having a good laugh.

I don't see a way out. I would love to do something for a phoenix club prep, but don't have the money to get that rolling and the worries over fan reaction is something. I don't know if it would be well supported, because so many would see it as defeatism and undermining Dave when our current club is still there.

I try to understand the opposite view, we need unity. However, my patience has been sorely tested and it's maybe coming to an end. There's only so long I can be charitable and understanding to the most ardent backers of Hilton, while they continue to get high off their own supply and refuse to consider any other point of view to see if they're right or wrong. It's ludicrous; Dave's excuses for not paying those he owes are dumb and unbelievable, he has no money and is not trustworthy. Yet those of us who do so much as question anything are damned as club killers, toxic and abusive by those hurling out abuse. There have been cases of people's health being mocked because they are concerned about Hilton. Division is inevitable when one side is so self-assure, which is mad when you consider what they're so certain about. It's football's most daft cult at this point.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Elliott was pictured in a video with Herbert last week at the pub, having a good laugh.

I don't see a way out. I would love to do something for a phoenix club prep, but don't have the money to get that rolling and the worries over fan reaction is something. I don't know if it would be well supported, because so many would see it as defeatism and undermining Dave when our current club is still there.

I try to understand the opposite view, we need unity. However, my patience has been sorely tested and it's maybe coming to an end. There's only so long I can be charitable and understanding to the most ardent backers of Hilton, while they continue to get high off their own supply and refuse to consider any other point of view to see if they're right or wrong. It's ludicrous; Dave's excuses for not paying those he owes are dumb and unbelievable, he has no money and is not trustworthy. Yet those of us who do so much as question anything are damned as club killers, toxic and abusive by those hurling out abuse. There have been cases of people's health being mocked because they are concerned about Hilton. Division is inevitable when one side is so self-assure, which is mad when you consider what they're so certain about. It's football's most daft cult at this point.

You seem like a decent football fan. When the end comes, as it surely will for you, I think there might be room at BP for you to get your football fix, albeit under a different banner.

Wasn't a lot of hope pinned on Simon Elliott as a good guy, genuine fan, astute and successful businessman etc? Doesn't really seem to have panned out.

Haha. I don't think I could stomach going to Grimsby, lads. I don't think I could support any other traditional league team. It would have to be a phoenix club or a local non-league team for me.

If Simon starts a phoenix club or gets involved with one I'd have to support, but he has damaged his reputation in my view.

I think a phoenix club is the only chance for them, but would rely on a lot of hard work from some capable individuals, generally with a bit of money behind them, and there is no guarantee such a group exists amongst the Scunny fanbase.

Imagine you're going to try and set up a club which has the potential to become professional again one day. Where would you start? There's a lot to consider and organise.

Given their level of support, with gates around 4,000 the town should comfortably enable a league 2 club at least. The problem is getting there.

We have seen time and time again what happens when clubs are run unsustainably. It’s fine as long as the owners are happy to continue pumping money in, but eventually they often grow tired of chucking cash down a black hole and then the club is buggered. This is especially likely when the owner is not a dyed in the wool lifelong supporter.

Under Wharton the Scunts were incredibly well managed and made a fortune on brilliant player recruitment which in part funded a wage budged well in excess of what was ordinarily sustainable. When Swann took over this recruitment success did not continue at the same level and hence the losses mounted. I think he ended up writing off £11million in exchange for the stadium, effectively leaving the club assetless.

The problem now is that to return to the EFL will require a playing budget costing more than can be serviced from NLN income. So somebody will have to be prepared to cover the funding shortfall for several seasons. That looks to me like a multi million undertaking, and that is before any purchase of GP or some other stadium solution. So it will need a very dedicated and very wealthy benefactor to step in and save this club.

History tells us that when a club is this deep in the mire a Phoenix club is a more likely outcome. If this happens the town will get a club to support, albeit outside of the EFL for several years. So if the current club does fold, it’s not the end for Scunts fans, but the beginning of a very long road back.

Of course the other issue a Phoenix club would face is where to play. No good having 4,000 fans if you can’t accommodate them. It seems unlikely that Swann would want to let them rent GP so ground capacity might well be a seriously limiting factor on their income streams.

Quoted from RonMariner

Of course the other issue a Phoenix club would face is where to play. No good having 4,000 fans if you can’t accommodate them. It seems unlikely that Swann would want to let them rent GP so ground capacity might well be a seriously limiting factor on their income streams.

Their options are limited. They can either seek a ground share with another local-ish club (Gainsborugh, capacity 4,300 or Brigg, capacity 2,500) or look to fashion something out of existing non-football stadiums such as the rugby club or Quibell Park athletics ground; think of what Darlington have done at Blackwell Meadows or a poor man’s Withdean Stadium (which was already poor in and of itself).

Neither option sounds particularly appetising, but it’s realistically all they’ve got. And as unappetising as they may be, they’re not going to materialise overnight. Someone really ought to be doing the requisite planning now with a view to having somewhere for any prospective NewCo to call home at the start of next season, otherwise they’re going to be another 12 months down the line having made zero progress.

Some strong coffee needed in north Lincolnshire right now.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Haha. I don't think I could stomach going to Grimsby, lads. I don't think I could support any other traditional league team. It would have to be a phoenix club or a local non-league team for me.

If Simon starts a phoenix club or gets involved with one I'd have to support, but he has damaged his reputation in my view.

The phoenix club looks like being the only option in all honesty. But, you say that financing could be the issue, I think the immediate thing to take stock of, would be to have a board in place so that decisions could be made. Then ask for credible ex players or scunny famous folk to help out, botham, keegan, Tony jacklin etc even the likes of the supporters paid £1 a month you must surely be looking at £2500 a month.

Or, go and speak to A.F.C. Wimbledon or bury supporters that are already down that road, for advice

We could offer BP as a groundshare! :D

Quoted from RonMariner

Given their level of support, with gates around 4,000…..

Think this ‘4,000 loyal fans’ thing we keep hearing is a Mr David-style exaggeration. Yep they got plus 4k for Scarbro on August bank holiday, but that’s the only time they got near that this season. I’m bored so I looked up last season, it was in the 2000s and 3000s, apart from three games, v Notts County and Chesterfield, who must have brought at least a thousand each I’d have thought? The other was v Barnet at the start of the great new world under dodgy Dave!

Quoted from Mandy Dunnit vs Hettie

Think this ‘4,000 loyal fans’ thing we keep hearing is a Mr David-style exaggeration. Yep they got plus 4k for Scarbro on August bank holiday, but that’s the only time they got near that this season. I’m bored so I looked up last season, it was in the 2000s and 3000s, apart from three games, v Notts County and Chesterfield, who must have brought at least a thousand each I’d have thought? The other was v Barnet at the start of the great new world under dodgy Dave!

Think Scunny have a hardcore of about 2.5-2.75k fans. It's still a lot for regional football.

Agreed, bet their peers like Buxton and Peterborough Sports would be happy with it!

Whilst I particularly dislike Scunny I want them to survive its always been a cracking Derby .
The FA Cup game when we were Non league saw an 8k crowd at the time rare as rocking horse sh1t.

They've just released another statement, which I've taken to mean there's going to be spending cuts n a cull

Quoted from forza ivano

They've just released another statement, which I've taken to mean there's going to be spending cuts n a cull

I would be getting very twitchy if I was a National League North footballer with a contract at Scunthorpe United significantly over the going rate for that level.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I would be getting very twitchy if I was a National League North footballer with a contract at Scunthorpe United significantly over the going rate for that level.

Can't just sack them, we still have some employment laws in this country

Quoted from bedders78

Can't just sack them, we still have some employment laws in this country

Employment laws become somewhat irrelevant when your employer gets dissolved with zero assets to its name.

Quoted from Poojah

Employment laws become somewhat irrelevant when your employer gets dissolved with zero assets to its name.

That's a different (and seemingly inevitable) scenario to spending cuts and a cull though

Just read the statement and that sounds ominous. A lot of corporate double speak that basically says 'we're in the sh*t and we're going to have to take some serious measures to get out of it. Some of you aren't going to like it'.

Get the popcorn in and buckle up.

PS some hilarious stuff about 'where we where' and 'getting back'. It's a f*cking long way back to the championship after being played off the park by Brackley in an FA Cup qualifying round.

Is there much of a financial relief to being a part time football club as opposed to full time? I can't immediately figure anything that would substantially reduce costs making that change given the players are on contracts that must surely be honoured and can't be amended with such a change...?

I also wondered whether 'Daves' expertise in winding up/liquidating businesses whilst being owners of the same type of business could come in handy. Is it possible to form a new company that assumes control of SUFC and the existing company that holds all the debt goes bankrupt/insolvent meaning the club itself continues under a new company with all debts being written off under the old? As you may notice, I don't really have a clue on business matters just putting the very little I have heard and have a modicum of understanding to see if the pieces can fit or not.

Quoted from bedders78

Can't just sack them, we still have some employment laws in this country

We do, but those employment laws haven't got George Taft his deducted pension contributions paid. He is also yet to make redundancy payments to those he made redundant.

Quoted from gtfc_chris

Is there much of a financial relief to being a part time football club as opposed to full time? I can't immediately figure anything that would substantially reduce costs making that change given the players are on contracts that must surely be honoured and can't be amended with such a change...?

I also wondered whether 'Daves' expertise in winding up/liquidating businesses whilst being owners of the same type of business could come in handy. Is it possible to form a new company that assumes control of SUFC and the existing company that holds all the debt goes bankrupt/insolvent meaning the club itself continues under a new company with all debts being written off under the old? As you may notice, I don't really have a clue on business matters just putting the very little I have heard and have a modicum of understanding to see if the pieces can fit or not.

Good questions and the answers are super complicated. To move from full to part time anyone with a contract has to agree to the move, it's unlikely anyone will as it's a turkey voting for Christmas. The club may say that it will go bust unless people do agree to it and if it goes bust they are out of a job with a very low chance of seeing any money at all. But the players are automatically out of contract and can find another club immediately (not so easy for non playing staff).

If the company goes bust creditors have to be paid out of the remaining assets - we know there aren't many assets and the biggest one for a football club is the ground, which Honest Dave doesn't own so it's not an asset of the club. The likelihood is that if it went bust there would be nothing left of the old club. Swann may have played a blinder financially by holding on to the ground and it not belonging to SUFC.

Once this has happened Honest Dave could start a new SUFC but the likelihood is that he would be starting with nothing as there would be nothing left of SUFC. Why would he do that when he's already got Ilkeston?

And finally, clubs that go bust and restart have to go to the bottom of the pyramid and scrabble their way back again - see Bury, Maidstone, Wimbledon (different circumstances).

I don't know what's happened here but it appears to me that Honest Dave had plans that had no chance of coming to fruition or were way too ambitious, especially when Swann held on to the ground and wouldn't play ball with him. Hilton was either too thick, naive or ego driven to see that he was on a hiding to nothing but now the reality is dawning.

I am trying to find a way out for them and struggling .

They could survive if they cut costs , and live within their means while paying off the ever increasing debts - but they still remain without any assets , and the football club will not own the ground or have somewhere permanent to play will they , something that imo should never be allowed to happen (an owner signing away the ground to his company , and using it as leverage on a mortgage ; which I assume was to try help his own situation ).

They will be playing at Gainsborough or Ilkeston shortly , which this statement is maybe a pre warning to ; we know now Hilton won't buy the ground and you would doubt it will now go to court as Hilton say's he wants to sell the club ; so why would he even attempt to buy the ground ?

He has not disclosed the amount he is putting it on the market for .

I don't think it matters about contractual obligations or legalities as Mr Dave has made it crystal clear he will pick and choose who deserves payment .

How far are we from the end of the month ?

Because once we reach it I would think things will get very very messy .

Quoted from Mappers

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I don't think it matters about contractual obligations or legalities as Mr Dave has made it crystal clear he will pick and choose who deserves payment .

If they go bust he doesn't get to make that call.

No but it will take a while if he sticks around (just look at Southend with Martin) .

It will just be an irretrievable situation (which in all honesty , it already probably is )

I hope the poor sods who bought those golden tickets don't need that 2k because they are never getting it back are they .

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Just read the statement and that sounds ominous. A lot of corporate double speak that basically says 'we're in the sh*t and we're going to have to take some serious measures to get out of it. Some of you aren't going to like it'.

Get the popcorn in and buckle up.

PS some hilarious stuff about 'where we where' and 'getting back'. It's a f*cking long way back to the championship after being played off the park by Brackley in an FA Cup qualifying round.

With no little sense of irony there's a Tesco and an Aldi across the road from Glanford Park doing reasonably priced popcorn.

Quoted from Mappers

No but it will take a while if he sticks around (just look at Southend with Martin) .

It will just be an irretrievable situation (which in all honesty , it already probably is )

I hope the poor sods who bought those golden tickets don't need that 2k because they are never getting it back are they .

100% agree.

I'm surprised the club is still going.

Quoted from Mappers

How far are we from the end of the month ?

Because once we reach it I would think things will get very very messy.

If they get paid last working day, next Friday would be payday. It wouldn't surprise me if those well paid players not starting regularly find an issue with their wages.

According to rhetoric from Hilton he suggested he cleared all debts when he took over. Todays statement says

"He is continuing to settle historic debts and legal cases the club faces."

So he hasn't paid off the debts. Given his various statements about their finances, he doesn't seem to have any money and is paying his way day to day. You can only do this so long and the day of reckoning will be soon.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/september/joint-statement-from-the-board-of-directors-at-scunthorpe-united-football-club/

Maybe one of the more informed posters could tell me this but who is on their board of directors and releasing that statement ??
I should be amazed to read that they are seemingly still behind Dave ...but nothing is suprising me now on this one.

Are they just his friends?
Are they genuine people who care but fear being left holding the sh1t pan if they force Dave out?
Are they owed big money and can't afford to get 17p in the £1 back on investment if it goes t1ts up?

Really can't see why they won't distance themselves from him.

Anyway at least beers £2.50 a pint at the ground so all is well 😁

Quoted from moosey_club

Maybe one of the more informed posters could tell me this but who is on their board of directors and releasing that statement ??
I should be amazed to read that they are seemingly still behind Dave ...but nothing is suprising me now on this one.

Are they just his friends?
Are they genuine people who care but fear being left holding the sh1t pan if they force Dave out?
Are they owed big money and can't afford to get 17p in the £1 back on investment if it goes t1ts up?

Really can't see why they won't distance themselves from him.

Anyway at least beers £2.50 a pint at the ground so all is well 😁

My guess is the employment lawyer - having just googled 3 or 4 of the latest directors

Quoted from Poojah

Their options are limited. They can either seek a ground share with another local-ish club (Gainsborugh, capacity 4,300 or Brigg, capacity 2,500) or look to fashion something out of existing non-football stadiums such as the rugby club or Quibell Park athletics ground; think of what Darlington have done at Blackwell Meadows or a poor man’s Withdean Stadium (which was already poor in and of itself).

Neither option sounds particularly appetising, but it’s realistically all they’ve got. And as unappetising as they may be, they’re not going to materialise overnight. Someone really ought to be doing the requisite planning now with a view to having somewhere for any prospective NewCo to call home at the start of next season, otherwise they’re going to be another 12 months down the line having made zero progress.

Some strong coffee needed in north Lincolnshire right now.

I wouldn't wish Blackwell Meadows on anyone, an awful place to watch football. We hate it,

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

I wouldn't wish Blackwell Meadows on anyone, an awful place to watch football. We hate it,

More than the Arena?

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

I wouldn't wish Blackwell Meadows on anyone, an awful place to watch football. We hate it,

See you have appointed Josh Gowling once of this parish as manager. Really nice bloke hope it works out for you all.

Quoted from moosey_club

Maybe one of the more informed posters could tell me this but who is on their board of directors and releasing that statement ??
I should be amazed to read that they are seemingly still behind Dave ...but nothing is suprising me now on this one.

Are they just his friends?
Are they genuine people who care but fear being left holding the sh1t pan if they force Dave out?
Are they owed big money and can't afford to get 17p in the £1 back on investment if it goes t1ts up?

Really can't see why they won't distance themselves from him.

Anyway at least beers £2.50 a pint at the ground so all is well 😁

One is a Solicitor and another is a Barrister

Quoted from HerveJosse

One is a Solicitor and another is a Barrister

Almost; one’s into solicitation and the other’s a barista.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

If they get paid last working day, next Friday would be payday. It wouldn't surprise me if those well paid players not starting regularly find an issue with their wages.

I think football debts are prioritised by the FA and in order to keep your place in the pyramid you have to pay them don't you? Do wages and explayer pensions etc count as part of that or just payments to other clubs etc?
Also can't players just leave as soon as two weeks wages have not been paid, or is it 2 months?

Here is the only review I can find of of the Barrister on Trustpilot

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.college-chambers.co.uk

Quoted from HerveJosse

Here is the only review I can find of of the Barrister on Trustpilot

https://uk.trustpilot.com/review/www.college-chambers.co.uk

quite glowing.

Quoted from toontown

I think football debts are prioritised by the FA and in order to keep your place in the pyramid you have to pay them don't you? Do wages and explayer pensions etc count as part of that or just payments to other clubs etc?
Also can't players just leave as soon as two weeks wages have not been paid, or is it 2 months?

Kacper Łopata terminated his Southend deal last season after not being paid for 28 days at the start of March and was a Woking player by the end of March. He's played 8 times for Barnsley this season so it's a player Southend could easily have got a decent fee for.

Southend managed to complete the season and have started this one, so there is nothing stopping him not paying some of his players.

Quoted from DB

According to rhetoric from Hilton he suggested he cleared all debts when he took over. Todays statement says

"He is continuing to settle historic debts and legal cases the club faces."

So he hasn't paid off the debts. Given his various statements about their finances, he doesn't seem to have any money and is paying his way day to day. You can only do this so long and the day of reckoning will be soon.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/september/joint-statement-from-the-board-of-directors-at-scunthorpe-united-football-club/

So the statement says 'we and David will be doing this and that etc.' but didn't he say that the club was up for sale?

Quoted from 123614

So the statement says 'we and David will be doing this and that etc.' but didn't he say that the club was up for sale?

He said yesterday it’s up for sale indefinitely

Quoted from 123614

So the statement says 'we and David will be doing this and that etc.' but didn't he say that the club was up for sale?

There will be an absolute meltdown on that bizarre facebook page in the next few weeks when the squad is broken apart - who will they even play ? he scrapped the youth system so they won't even be able to just play a load of kids .

Sherbet isn't right at all is he , he is actively trying to track the lad who runs the Iron Bru podcast down and is just abusing him on twitter space .

Quoted from Poojah

More than the Arena?

For how bad and big the Arena is, least it had a good viewing point for everyone.

Whenever we get over 2,000 in Blackwell, the view point is horrendous.

Reading this thread sometimes seems like rubbernecking at a slow motion car crash, but it is oddly fascinating. We are seeing events play out that show the decline of a once well run club in graphic detail.

It is clearly heartbreaking for true fans of the club who have my sympathy.

Quoted from RonMariner

Reading this thread sometimes seems like rubbernecking at a slow motion car crash, but it is oddly fascinating. We are seeing events play out that show the decline of a once well run club in graphic detail.

It is clearly heartbreaking for true fans of the club who have my sympathy.

They are gone Ron

It's interesting for me as I have followed the situation for 3 or 4 years (mainly as someone who just likes football , and is interested in the situation of other clubs apart from just our own ; that it's our neighours just adds an extra level of intrigue )

I get some won't be interested , because they just love town and don't really care about any other team , which i respect totally .

But for a neutral and people just interested in their general sutuation it is and has been fascinating , with so many twists and turns . From Swann , to Hilton and Herbert with all the characters in between ; the authorities that have let it all unfold have a lot to answer for imo - the fit and proper owner test is obviously not fit for purpose and needs a serious overhaul .

There was so much that people on here are probably unaware of long before Hilton came in , Swann appointed his son chief scout for example and they picked the team for a short time when they were managerless . Swann boasted that he had '100% win rate ' because he had won a game as manager of Gainsborough .

He irked Bolton fans badly , they hate him , had some sort of run in with Geoff Stelling live on sky and then while 'talking football' on the Iron Bru podcast said he needed to 'have a word with the manager ,we need to get in between the lines more and attack at pace down the flanks ' .

Then there was his own unique selling pitch 'why would anyone want to buy the club when all the chairman does is get abused ?!'.

I hope they don't go , I want it to carry on - with Swann declaring he wants to 'give it another go ' he does hold their only asset after all and he could be owner/manager .

Quoted from Mappers

They are gone Ron

It's intersting for me as I have followed the situation for 3 or 4 years (mainly as someone who just likes football , and is interested in the situation of other clubs apart from just our own ; that it's our neighours just adds an extra level of intrigue )

I get some won't be interested , because they just love town and don't really care about any other team , which i respect totally .

But for a neutral and people just interested in their general sutuation it is and has been fascinating , with so many twists and turns . From Swann , to Hilton and Herbert with all the characters in between ; the authorities that have let it all unfold have a lot to answer for imo - the fit and proper owner test is obviously not fit for purpose and needs a serious overhaul .

There was so much that people on here are probably unaware of long before Hilton came in , Swann appointed his son chief scout for example and they picked the team for a short time when they were managerless . Swann boasted that he had '100% win rate ' because he had won a game as manager of Gainsborough .

He irked Bolton fans badly , they hate him , had some sort of run in with Geoff Stelling live on sky and then while 'talking football' on the Iron Bru podcast said he needed to 'have a word with the manager ,we need to get in between the lines more and attack at pace down the flanks ' .

Then there was his own unique selling pitch 'why would anyone want to buy the club when all the chairman does is get abused ?!'.

I hope they don't go , I want it to carry on - with Swann declaring he wants to 'give it another go ' he does hold their only asset after all and he could be owner/manager .

Can you attach the source for this as it makes for more twists than a Christie Novel!!!!!

It's like one of those tv series.... it probably should have stopped at season 6 but here we are now at season 17

It’s fast turning into a reboot of the Carry On Franchise

Quoted from It Bites

It’s fast turning into a reboot of the Carry On Franchise

and there's more t1ts in it than Carry On Camping.

Quoted from It Bites

It’s fast turning into a reboot of the Carry On Franchise

Or ‘carry on caravaning’ 😉

Quoted from DB

Can you attach the source for this as it makes for more twists than a Christie Novel!!!!!

He has not said that mate , it's what i'm hoping for - it won't happen though .

Quoted from Mappers

He has not said that mate , it's what i'm hoping for - it won't happen though .

But let’s face it, anything is possible in this particular melodrama!

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They are gone Ron

It's interesting for me as I have followed the situation for 3 or 4 years (mainly as someone who just likes football , and is interested in the situation of other clubs apart from just our own ; that it's our neighours just adds an extra level of intrigue )

I get some won't be interested , because they just love town and don't really care about any other team , which i respect totally .

But for a neutral and people just interested in their general sutuation it is and has been fascinating , with so many twists and turns . From Swann , to Hilton and Herbert with all the characters in between ; the authorities that have let it all unfold have a lot to answer for imo - the fit and proper owner test is obviously not fit for purpose and needs a serious overhaul .

There was so much that people on here are probably unaware of long before Hilton came in , Swann appointed his son chief scout for example and they picked the team for a short time when they were managerless . Swann boasted that he had '100% win rate ' because he had won a game as manager of Gainsborough .

He irked Bolton fans badly , they hate him , had some sort of run in with Geoff Stelling live on sky and then while 'talking football' on the Iron Bru podcast said he needed to 'have a word with the manager ,we need to get in between the lines more and attack at pace down the flanks ' .

Then there was his own unique selling pitch 'why would anyone want to buy the club when all the chairman does is get abused ?!'.

I hope they don't go , I want it to carry on - with Swann declaring he wants to 'give it another go ' he does hold their only asset after all and he could be owner/manager .

Love your posts on this thread.

Seem to remember quite a few starting "they are gone Ron" haha, dunno why but made me giggle.

Are there no financial fair play rules at the Scunts level? Because it seems to me David Nameychangey's unfunded wonder squad would clearly be in breach of them.

I am just thankful that we are not in their position.

Quoted from CSLM

[quote=141149]

They are gone Ron

It's interesting for me as I have followed the situation for 3 or 4 years (mainly as someone who just likes football , and is interested in the situation of other clubs apart from just our own ; that it's our neighours just adds an extra level of intrigue )

I get some won't be interested , because they just love town and don't really care about any other team , which i respect totally .

But for a neutral and people just interested in their general sutuation it is and has been fascinating , with so many twists and turns . From Swann , to Hilton and Herbert with all the characters in between ; the authorities that have let it all unfold have a lot to answer for imo - the fit and proper owner test is obviously not fit for purpose and needs a serious overhaul .

There was so much that people on here are probably unaware of long before Hilton came in , Swann appointed his son chief scout for example and they picked the team for a short time when they were managerless . Swann boasted that he had '100% win rate ' because he had won a game as manager of Gainsborough .

He irked Bolton fans badly , they hate him , had some sort of run in with Geoff Stelling live on sky and then while 'talking football' on the Iron Bru podcast said he needed to 'have a word with the manager ,we need to get in between the lines more and attack at pace down the flanks ' .

Then there was his own unique selling pitch 'why would anyone want to buy the club when all the chairman does is get abused ?!'.

I hope they don't go , I want it to carry on - with Swann declaring he wants to 'give it another go ' he does hold their only asset after all and he could be owner/manager .

Love your posts on this thread.

Seem to remember quite a few starting "they are gone Ron" haha, dunno why but made me giggle.

Thanks bud .

I think my posts have been a contradiction of genuine concern for them , and enjoyment of the entertainment with the whole show.

As Ron says we are fortunate , but it's a low bar with the quality of ownership at a lot of clubs ; it should be a given fans have no concern over their existence really.

Quoted from Mappers

Thanks bud .

I think my posts have been a contradiction of genuine concern for them , and enjoyment of the entertainment with the whole show.

As Ron says we are fortunate , but it's a low bar with the quality of ownership at a lot of clubs ; it should be a given fans have no concern over their existence really.

I was hoping for a few more juicy revelations on this thread to cheer me up after today's debacle. :B

Quoted from RonMariner

I was hoping for a few more juicy revelations on this thread to cheer me up after today's debacle. :B

Tjete is. Aidan McCartney on twitter saying that they will be playing at gainsborough after the Bravkley match. Says herbert is his source

Quoted from RonMariner

I was hoping for a few more juicy revelations on this thread to cheer me up after today's debacle. :B

There is. Aidan McCartney on twitter saying that they will be playing at gainsborough after the Brackley match. Says herbert is his source

Quoted from forza ivano

There is. Aidan McCartney on twitter saying that they will be playing at gainsborough after the Brackley match. Says herbert is his source

Why? They are rent free at GP till the court case next year aren’t they?

Quoted from RonMariner

Why? They are rent free at GP till the court case next year aren’t they?

Unless the cost-cutting is in the legal costs? I hope Gainsborough have their rent up front.

Herbert then took his phone from him and threw it on the pitch

Quoted from Titty

Herbert then took his phone from him and threw it on the pitch

Dave's lack of monitoring social media didn't last long.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Dave's lack of monitoring social media didn't last long.

“I don’t care what people think so I’m not going to check…but I’m definitely gonna let you know I don’t check and I’ll keep telling you”

Blokes flipping deluded. I’ve no doubt Swann has copulated over every single person, Gainsborough fans did tell scunny this…but Hilton/white/whatshisname has been equally as corrupt and dodgy.

The club have taken money from fans knowing Theresa likelihood they’ll not see the season out, not at GP anyway.

The whole thing is a flipping wind up, better than any Disney + Wrexham shite or Sunderland til I die. This would’ve been the ultimate viewing.

Their club is dying, some fans can see it, some are so against Swann they’d let lucifer run the club, and probably have.

I want them to survive for the genuine fan, for those sensible enough to ask the pertinent questions and have faced criticism from their own, even calling them anti scunny, but for the rest, intercourse it. I hope it flipping burns…

He's had a complete melt down on Facebook today, multiple posts all now removed on advice of his 'legal team'.

Totally bizarre.

I hope his "legal team" aren't the same ones advising him that it is illegal to report on someone's spent convictions. Which it most definitely isn't.

Quoted from aldi_01

The club have taken money from fans knowing Theresa likelihood they’ll not see the season out, not at GP anyway.

…

I think I went to Toll Bar with Theresa Likelihood. Lived in New Waltham.

flipping spell check🙈

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I think I went to Toll Bar with Theresa Likelihood. Lived in New Waltham.

I suspect you are thinking of Theresa Likelihat.

So at the moment is his name Hilton or White ?

Maybe he has decided to use them both.

Quoted from Bogtrotter

I suspect you are thinking of Theresa Likelihat.

Wake up man!

Theresa Likelihood, Theresa Likelihat, Theresa Hilton, Theresa White… they’re all the same bloody person!

Quoted from thefish

Wake up man!

Theresa Likelihood, Theresa Likelihat, Theresa Hilton, Theresa White… they’re all the same bloody person!

Could have been worse.

Could have been Theresa May 😉

Hello. Theresa Likelicrim's solicitor here. We would like to warn you all that Theresa's convictions for fraud are spent and it is therefore it is a capital offence to mention them in conversation, print, or that big closed Sam Smiths pub in Scunny.

Theresa would also like to point out that her conviction for fraud involved a fraction of the amount of victims as Theresa May so any comparison is slanderous.

Don't you chumps know she is the messiah?

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Im thinking of buying Scunthorpe United Football Club.

I have recently had a lottery win and I am willing to spend all £25 on buying the club.

Where do i apply?

I believe the fee is £3. You need to claim you will buy the ground too, in fact it's a done deal.

Then use the income through the turnstiles to pay the players wages (well, some of them) and claim you have cleared all the debts (but not actually clearing any of the clubs debts) then claim all is well, it's just a few CCJS and a couple of winding up petitions (but don't worry, all is fine).

The scenes at the weekend make me grateful that Fenty was effectively ousted in lockdown where everything became a bit more magnified, and he wasn’t surrounded by people who wanted to plate his ringpiece every Saturday. It was just Fenty, the voices in his head and the people online (that he couldn’t detach himself of) and in print, no lackeys, no shaking his hand or thumbs up as he walked through the stands.

From what I can gather, mentalist-in-Chief Herbert blabbed to their equivalent of Phil Norton or James Findlater that they’ll be playing at Gainsborough in a few weeks, and then nicked his phone off him & launched it onto the pitch. Given the toxic atmosphere at places like Cambridge a few years back, I can only imagine how bad it might’ve got if fans were in the stands when Alex May was enjoying his fish & chip dinner in Mcmenemys.

I alaways wondered what the source of the phrase

‘A right Herbert’

was so at least their misfortune has cleared that one up

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I think I went to Toll Bar with Theresa Likelihood. Lived in New Waltham.

She had a sister who always 'put out' at the New Waltham Friday Night Disco. Evri.

Guy behind Iron Bru has apparently been banned for voicing his option of Hilton

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I see on the Iron Bru twitter, the Scunts have been hit with several Banning orders! I ponder whether these are legit?

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Hiltons a flipping disgrace

"Kind regards" ;D

I've been away for a couple of weeks, what's this I'm hearing about them potentially playing at Gainsborough?

It's almost like Hilton/White has promoted Herbert to SUFC Head of Customer Relations.

Quoted from ska face

Given the toxic atmosphere at places like Cambridge a few years back, I can only imagine how bad it might’ve got if fans were in the stands when Alex May was enjoying his fish & chip dinner in Mcmenemys.

Was that when Scott Vernon took umbrage with the dogs abuse he got when warming up as a sub?

These fans getting bans are only getting a head start on knowing what time is quietest at B&Q etc on a Saturday afternoon before the inevitable happens anyway. It won’t be long!

Herbert is just gutted he couldn't attend another game so that he could throw his phone too.

Play with feathers you are gonna get your bottom tickled.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

Bru provided a platform for codheads and bury fans to post disgusting remarks about DH daughter.

I did hope that he would give Matt Ellis this weekend coz I’ve got an addiction for chucking idiots phones now so maybe for the best

That Herbert fellow really is a gimp. Long after Changy McChangename has moved on to whatever scheme he has in mind next, Scunny will exist in one form or another, and Herbert will be about as popular as a fart in a lift.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Herbert is just gutted he couldn't attend another game so that he could throw his phone too.

Play with feathers you are gonna get your bottom tickled.
Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

Bru provided a platform for codheads and bury fans to post disgusting remarks about DH daughter.

I did hope that he would give Matt Ellis this weekend coz I’ve got an addiction for chucking idiots phones now so maybe for the best

So it's our fault it's all gone diddly donk?

Quoted from Bogtrotter

That Herbert fellow really is a gimp. Long after Changy McChangename has moved on to whatever scheme he has in mind next, Scunny will exist in one form or another, and Herbert will be about as popular as a fart in a lift.

Pretty confident that he'll also find his mate Dave stops ringing him/answering his calls too.

Quoted from LH

These fans getting bans are only getting a head start on knowing what time is quietest at B&Q etc on a Saturday afternoon before the inevitable happens anyway. It won’t be long!

Fans Getting Bans is going to be the name of my new Indie band.

People on twitter pointing out that Herbert having access to / being given information about, the clubs membership system amounts to a GDPR breach. Just could not make it up.

That Herbert is like that Dean Kay chancer who turned up as a mate of Munich Mullen’s during the dark days of Fenty’s reign, arguing he had some claim over the ownership of the club. Fúcking comedy when you look back at it, not funny at the time. These people walk amongst us.

So as I read it, a twitter account has been served a banning order.

Herbert is a simpleton and shouldn’t be allowed near a football club

Quoted from It Bites

Herbert is a simpleton and shouldn’t be allowed near a football club

I'd assumed, based on our history and many other club's, that being a simpleton was a prerequisite for running a football club and was probably the first question on the FA's 'Fit and Proper Test'.

See also politicians.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

So as I read it, a twitter account has been served a banning order.

Wouldn't be surprised at all if it's ineffective and needs to be sent in paper form, served properly with a signature. But I'm no lawyer....and seeing as he doesn't own the ground does he even have the power to ban people?
Nutjob.

Quoted from Bogtrotter

I suspect you are thinking of Theresa Likelihat.

Nah that was her sister. Always tried to cop off with her at the New Wally disco but my dancing to Stand and Deliver didn’t do it for her.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Nah that was her sister. Always tried to cop off with her at the New Wally disco but my dancing to Stand and Deliver didn’t do it for her.

The New Wally Bop, I can smell the desperation even now.

I see they call him David WHAM (for all his surnames) . Found that funny

It's beyond them now . Herbert the Sherbert has probably in truth finished the club with the amount of division Hilton has pushed him to cause - he's probably made it the easyiest out ever now as surely a higher proportion of their fanbase will be anti Hilton after the banning order issued to the Iron Bru .

So he get's what he wants
Herbert got his moment in the sun
The real fans are left to pick up the pieces and left at Gainsborough and more than likely without a club .

I'm pretty sure most of 'us cods ' thought this was the likely outcome from the ticket scheme 'idea ' one of many from David Travelodge .

They are gone Ron and it will be a long journey back for them.

The saddest comment of all in this saga is the guy who has been banned via twitter and says 'i don't recognise my club anymore.'

I can't imagine what it must feel like to have the club you have loved and supported all your life turned into such a bizarre and mess.

Mind you, I guess we almost found out a three years ago.

Quoted from Mappers

It's beyond them now . Herbert the Sherbert has probably in truth finished the club with the amount of division Hilton has pushed him to cause - he's probably made it the easyiest out ever now as surely a higher proportion of their fanbase will be anti Hilton after the banning order issued to the Iron Bru .

So he get's what he wants
Herbert got his moment in the sun
The real fans are left to pick up the pieces and left at Gainsborough and more than likely without a club .

I'm pretty sure most of 'us cods ' thought this was the likely outcome from the ticket scheme 'idea ' one of many from David Travelodge .

They are gone Ron and it will be a long journey back for them.

But they still have lots of Happy Clappers, Mappers. :)

I’ve been through all the posts regards banning orders and it would appear it’s all cod heads fault . Unbelievable Jeff . Herbert can’t get is little brain around the fact that other fans join other clubs forums and offer opinion . If only Mr Wham was bright enough to come off social media and only post on the clubs official channels .

I think the end is in sight for him, the Twitter account The Lower League Look has some grim stuff on him if/when verified.

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How is a ground with hardly anyone there not recognisable to them?

There’s no way those messages are legit surely?

Poor Mr Herbert doesn't even realise he's a patsy in all this.

He's too dumb to grasp that he is being manipulated by someone who has served time for manipulating people to his own ends.

He's the Lord Haw Haw of football.

Using the word “ spastic”. What a despicable, wicked, cruel illegitimate he is.

By using the word Spastic (if true) he’s just got his escape card stamped

Are these texts from Hilton or Herbert?

Quoted from Mariner_09

So it's our fault it's all gone diddly donk?

Herbert found out that a Bury fan on this thread had posted comments about his daughter in a post, containing many pieces of info, on this thread. That post got copied and pasted onto the Bru (not by me, I may add), but it was deleted from Bru due to the allegations it contained. I suspect the person who shared shared it for other reasons besides anything about his daughter.

Herbert has been yapping about this for a week on twitter, and it has gone from one slightly rude comment about his daughter's house to how she was doxxed and a photo was put up. Neither was true for the post on here or Iron Bru. This was what Hilton was whining about in his weekend comments about consoling his daughter.

Today has been a disgrace, and he has really showed himself up as the sociopathic anus that he is today. Fortunately it has got a lot of outside attention and I have seen several former Hilton fans say that this is their watershed moment.

Quoted from GhostDan

There’s no way those messages are legit surely?

The Lower League Look has said the number this came from has been corroborated to be Hilton by several people.

Saw those messages last week, clearly the person that received them has been banned today.

flipping hilarious that some scunny fans are so dim they think we’re remaking up rumours…as with our own crooked charlatan, we just used information available to us to bring them down and get them gone…Hilton is nothing more than a crook, why can’t they see it?

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Herbert found out that a Bury fan on this thread had posted comments about his daughter in a post, containing many pieces of info, on this thread. That post got copied and pasted onto the Bru (not by me, I may add), but it was deleted from Bru due to the allegations it contained. I suspect the person who shared shared it for other reasons besides anything about his daughter.

Herbert has been yapping about this for a week on twitter, and it has gone from one slightly rude comment about his daughter's house to how she was doxxed and a photo was put up. Neither was true for the post on here or Iron Bru. This was what Hilton was whining about in his weekend comments about consoling his daughter.

Today has been a disgrace, and he has really showed himself up as the sociopathic anus that he is today. Fortunately it has got a lot of outside attention and I have seen several former Hilton fans say that this is their watershed moment.

The Lower League Look has said the number this came from has been corroborated to be Hilton by several people.

Worrying times for your club mate, unbelievably sad to see it all unfold like this - many like yourself saw this coming a mile away but I’ve little to no sympathy for those morons on the Facebook page who’ve bought into his cult despite the glaring facts.

I’m sorry for all the genuine Scunthorpe fans.

But the fact that a significant percentage of the fanbase seem to be too stupid to realise what David FourNames is doesn’t bode well for any phoenix club. Genuinely think we may have played our last league fixture against any club, phoenix or original, from Scunthorpe. And that is truly sad.

His true colours are coming out on X (twitter) now , aren’t they

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Mr Wham has denied the txts were from him on the Facebook fans page . Someone is gonna need a tin hat if true

He is a liar, so I have no trust in him saying it wasn't him.

Also, Iron Bru do not allow posts about his daughter. The one post which mentioned her at all got deleted very quickly.

Fortunately, I have seen many on twitter say today was a watershed moment and he has lost support.

As someone on here said the other week..the sob story and use of the mental health card was despicable, and unfair on the thousands who do face every day struggles just to get by. He’s not remorseful at all, he doesn’t care. The only thing he cares about is his own gain and status..however fraudulently he got it and however fake it is..much like the sob story.

Herbert’s gone . The Facebook group has been suspended. Mr H has had a rant and deleted it

What's all this about town fans posting about his daughter? Not seen anything about his kids being mentioned.

Quoted from gtfc98

What's all this about town fans posting about his daughter? Not seen anything about his kids being mentioned.

It was a bury fan apparently

It’s all bloody astonishing. I mean I thought it was bad but this just keeps getting worse.
Even after three bottles of Malbec and a quick romp on the snooker table, Fenty was never even nearly this bad.

It's nearing being able to close this thread down I suspect now

Payday is going to be messy

Quoted from Mappers

It's nearing being able to close this thread down I suspect now

Payday is going to be messy

Do we launch a phoenix thread…?

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

It’s all bloody astonishing. I mean I thought it was bad but this just keeps getting worse.
Even after three bottles of Malbec and a quick romp on the snooker table, Fenty was never even nearly this bad.

Fenty was an absolute star next to this fool. Jesus Mary, hells bells. Better than Eastenders christmas special this ;D ;D ;D

At this point fecking Swann might be a star next to this idiot. OK, Swann deserves his ire for bringing us this low, but deep down I felt there was something humane there beneath the self-centred ego. Hilton comes across as a sociopath.

On a side note, Grimsby fans taking a sympathetic note has not gone unnoticed by some:

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Quoted from Mappers

It's nearing being able to close this thread down I suspect now

Payday is going to be messy

But they still have plenty of happy clappers, Mappers.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

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It was worth reading the three thousand seven hundred posts in this thread just to see that. So many legends in that short clip. Are the entire highlights available anywhere? Would love to see them.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Do we launch a phoenix thread…?

You are the wind beneath my wheels

Quoted from RonMariner

It was worth reading the three thousand seven hundred posts in this thread just to see that. So many legends in that short clip. Are the entire highlights available anywhere? Would love to see them.

I was behind the goal for the first goal.

I remember Lew Chatterley scoring a similar goal away at Colchester on a Tuesday night I think. A bloody long way to go in them days.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

At this point fecking Swann might be a star next to this idiot. OK, Swann deserves his ire for bringing us this low, but deep down I felt there was something humane there beneath the self-centred ego. Hilton comes across as a sociopath.

On a side note, Grimsby fans taking a sympathetic note has not gone unnoticed by some:

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You’ve had loads of support on here . If you set up a crowd funder to start a phoenix club I guarantee you’d get support from Grimsby.

Quoted from It Bites

You’ve had loads of support on here . If you set up a crowd funder to start a phoenix club I guarantee you’d get support from Grimsby.

Agreed

Quoted from RonMariner

It was worth reading the three thousand seven hundred posts in this thread just to see that. So many legends in that short clip. Are the entire highlights available anywhere? Would love to see them.

I couldn't find them on you tube, anyone know who does the OnthisdayGTFC? The commentator is Gerry Harrison, so it's Anglia TV's Sunday afternoon highlights programme. I remember the day of the game vividly, I was in a massive 9 yr old strop because we weren't going, for some reason the family had to drive into Scunny though and we got stuck on Motlash Hill in a massive traffic jam of Town fans, so I stuck my black and white scarf out the window. My mum told me to bring it back in but my dad said I could leave out. He must have been needing some payback for some misdemeanour for us not to be going to the game.

The official twitter & facebook accounts of Scunny have been deleted

Christ, what an absolute member!

I and many other said months and months ago, the phoenix route was the only way that the fans would get their club back.  I hope, for their sake, that there's still enough appetite amongst their splintered fanbase to go down that route.

Jason Herbert should be banned from setting foot anywhere near any new club, such is his role in the division amongst the supporters.  Naivety isn't enough of an excuse for his role in Hilton's plan to divide, distract and conquer.  He's complicit in it all.

Buxton at home at the weekend for Scunny, if they last that long.  I know who is definitely going onto my weekend bet...

One has to wonder what the players are making of all this. Wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall in their dressing room.

Hilton took three of the walls and the ceiling off the dressing room when his toys came out the pram.

He did leave the wall with the door though.

Quoted from 123614

One has to wonder what the players are making of all this. Wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall in their dressing room.

Can't be good for morale and may partially explain their downturn in form. They're toast.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Hilton took three of the walls and the ceiling off the dressing room when his toys came out the pram.

He did leave the wall with the door though.

Really showing his true colours now. If any Scunny fan still can't see him for what he is then they need sectioning.

Quoted from mariner91

Really showing his true colours now. If any Scunny fan still can't see him for what he is then they need sectioning.

Hilton’s true colours…

He's not much more than a grubby squatter, refusing to give up the property he has somehow acquired ands now as he faces up to the real consequences of his actions he's taking a sledgehammer to the place to leave it barely habitable for the next (potential) owners.

Quoted from Poojah

Hilton’s true colours…

I have 4 stools in my kitchen that are blue, should I be worried?

Quoted from Hagrid

The official twitter & facebook accounts of Scunny have been deleted

Has it actually been deleted or has someone been sat there painstakingly blocking all cod heads under the instruction of Herbert?

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Has it actually been deleted or has someone been sat there painstakingly blocking all cod heads under the instruction of Herbert?

I've just checked twitter and their official account is still up. I used a work account so nothing about GTFC is posted and no reason for it to be blocked.

Quoted from Maringer

I've just checked twitter and their official account is still up. I used a work account so nothing about GTFC is posted and no reason for it to be blocked.

they've just come back online, they were deleted, what a shitshow

The account has been cleansed of all it's 70k followers .

Quoted from Mappers

The account has been cleansed of all it's 70k followers .

It says they have 52 followers, but it also says that 73 people I follow also follow them.

Quoted from Mappers

The account has been cleansed of all it's 70k followers .

That happens when you deactivate a Twitter account. They should come back.

It's hit the Daily Mail now.

Quoted from friskneymariner

It's hit the Daily Mail now.

Has it been blamed on immigrants?

Quoted from friskneymariner

It's hit the Daily Mail now.

For those who want to read it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12559479/Scunthorpes-social-media-accounts-deactivated-chairman-says-doesnt-two-f-s-s-tic-fans-text-supporter-bans-dissenters-stadium-insisting-club-DIE-cares.html

For whatever reason the DM will not let you comment on the article.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Has it been blamed on immigrants?

I assume D W-H is a Daily Mail hero - Iron Bru wanted vegan burgers and 7 different kinds of recycling bins at GP…deservedly banned…

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I assume D W-H is a Daily Mail hero - Iron Bru wanted vegan burgers and 7 different kinds of recycling bins at GP…deservedly banned…

He certainly looks and speaks like a man who would make the DM Hall of Fame. Calling someone a spastic is deplorable.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

He certainly looks and speaks like a man who would make the DM Hall of Fame. Calling someone a spastic is deplorable.

Hilton or whatever he calls himself is 100% paid up member of the Daily Mail squad…

He’s such an crook; he’d be the guy stood slagging off migrants and the likes whilst begging the government to fill his failing hotel with migrants at 5x the price per room…

Quoted from aldi_01

Hilton or whatever he calls himself is 100% paid up member of the Daily Mail squad…

He’s such an crook; he’d be the guy stood slagging off migrants and the likes whilst begging the government to fill his failing hotel with migrants at 5x the price per room…

Scunny are out of the FA Cup so your ban from GP won’t affect you…

Quoted from DB

For those who want to read it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12559479/Scunthorpes-social-media-accounts-deactivated-chairman-says-doesnt-two-f-s-s-tic-fans-text-supporter-bans-dissenters-stadium-insisting-club-DIE-cares.html

For whatever reason the DM will not let you comment on the article.

I don't normally believe a word printed in the Daily Mail, but I will make an exception in this case.

Whole thing has turned into a soap opera.

I’m wondering if this was the plan all along, create huge division then decide to step back and sell the club due to ‘personal abuse’. He can set the asking price which I’m sure will be more than the £3 he paid for it.

I know he’s claiming to have put millions into the club but I wouldn’t be surprised if the club has been funded by season tickets, 100 club, 1899 club, smoke and mirrors and the owner hasn’t put his hand in his pocket. I’m sure he’ll claim he has and want a huge fee to walk away.

Quoted from DB

For those who want to read it

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-12559479/Scunthorpes-social-media-accounts-deactivated-chairman-says-doesnt-two-f-s-s-tic-fans-text-supporter-bans-dissenters-stadium-insisting-club-DIE-cares.html

For whatever reason the DM will not let you comment on the article.

They seemed to have removed several paragraphs including the more sensational material.

Quoted from 123614

One has to wonder what the players are making of all this. Wouldn't mind being a fly on the wall in their dressing room.

Fly wall space is at a premium what with all the steaming sh1t that is already in there

Apparently the FA have finally got involved

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Quoted from It Bites

Apparently the FA have finally got involved

Ah, that`ll get it sorted :-/

Well - my first few viewing games were at the Old Show Ground - there was a nice parapet wall to sit on - so I could see. Got a couple of programmes to show for it / one against Southport
Remember names like Derek Hemstead , Barry Horstead, FrNk Barton, Bobby Smith, Keith Birkenshaw
- but my dad returned to Blundell Park and I had to watch through the railings in the Barratt Stand. (didn’t mind when we beat them 7-1)
Having since then, always wanting to beat Scunthorpe United, I hope Scunny can recover from this terrible period, at some point in the future, to be able to compete against us in a local ‘derby’

Frank Barton from Barton.

Quoted from cannylad65

Frank Barton from Barton.

Yep, used to play with him kicking a tennis ball around in Baysgarth Park when we were young.

Quoted from cannylad65

Frank Barton from Barton.

Are you David or Jamie?

Used to cycle from Brigg to Baysgarth Park to that outdoor swimming pool - thems we’rte days.
Remember the Big Bang rattling our windows from Flixbrough as well - sure it was Saturday afternoon around twenty to five?

Quoted from Teestogreen

Used to cycle from Brigg to Baysgarth Park to that outdoor swimming pool - thems we’rte days.
Remember the Big Bang rattling our windows from Flixbrough as well - sure it was Saturday afternoon around twenty to five?

It was definitely a Saturday afternoon as I was playing cricket in Middle Rasen and we heard it there, 20 plus miles away!!

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

It was definitely a Saturday afternoon as I was playing cricket in Middle Rasen and we heard it there, 20 plus miles away!!

Saturday June 1st 1974.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

It was definitely a Saturday afternoon as I was playing cricket in Middle Rasen and we heard it there, 20 plus miles away!!

Saturday June 1st 1974.

Quoted from Teestogreen

Used to cycle from Brigg to Baysgarth Park to that outdoor swimming pool - thems we’rte days.
Remember the Big Bang rattling our windows from Flixbrough as well - sure it was Saturday afternoon around twenty to five?

Was probably there at Baysgarth sometime when you were then. Also used Brigg Grammar pool.

I was outside cutting our lawn for my pocket money when big bang happened - the earth moved…

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

It was definitely a Saturday afternoon as I was playing cricket in Middle Rasen and we heard it there, 20 plus miles away!!

Heard it in Binbrook too :-/

I was watching a football match on tv at home in Grimsby. I thought it was thunder at first, even though the sky didn’t look like there would be thunder.

Then within a very short time, seemed liked seconds at the time, a news flash came on tv that Flixborough had been declared a disaster zone and for people to stay away of the area.

They were very lucky it was a Saturday, or a lot more would have been killed.

I remember sitting at the old police box on corner of imperial Ave and heard a rumble of sorts

Working in the seafront arcade we all thought it was a lightning breaking the sound barrier

I was at the app frod Gala in Scunthorpe. One of my earliest memories. All the air got sucked out the Marquee we were in and the it blew out . Terrible day 😥

I was staying in a caravan at Market Rasen. Wondered what the bloody hell it was.

Was at a park in Gainsboro I was 11 and lived in Scunny when I heard it. 10 mins later their was an parade of fire engines and ambulances sirens on, passing by over the next hour, My dad guessed what it was as we were driving back when we saw the plume of smoke way before we got home. I remember a few shop windows blown out on Frod Rd and an eerie silence/atmosphere for the rest of the day. Really chilling despite being too young to understand the gravity of what had happened.

I lived in Scunthorpe at the time, it blew out the glass in my greenhouse. The worrying factor was the wind direction for the fumes, there was talk of evacuating Winterton depending on the wind direction. A change could also have meant parts of Scunthorpe might have to be evacuated as well, my car was packed for a quick getaway as I monitored the police wave band.

Quoted from Les Brechin

I was staying in a caravan at Market Rasen. Wondered what the bloody hell it was.

It's a mobile home, usually made of aluminium. They are a popular choice for people taking holidays. They have to be made light and relatively small because the most popular use of them is being towed behind a family car.

Nearly two pages off topic we need what’s is name statement to bring us to order

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Was probably there at Baysgarth sometime when you were then. Also used Brigg Grammar pool.

I was outside cutting our lawn for my pocket money when big bang happened - the earth moved…

Are you a Barton lad too?

Quoted from 123614

Are you a Barton lad too?

...takes off shoes to count total number of fingers and toes....

Hahah, :) Wonder how many posters here are from Barton, I might now some IRL.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Nearly two pages off topic we need what’s is name statement to bring us to order

Off topic without me moaning it’s non footy !!
But back on topic. I guess tomorrow is payday for a lot. So by Saturday there should surely be a lot more 💩 flying around !!!

Quoted from 123614

Are you a Barton lad too?

Wrawby - ie. the good side of Brigg

Quoted from Les Brechin

I was staying in a caravan at Market Rasen. Wondered what the bloody hell it was.

Les, tell us more a Caravan in Market Rasen back in 1974, was you saying with Briggy the scrap metal man? Don’t remember too many mobile homes in Rasen unless it was the time of year the “Romany travellers” made their annual visit!!!

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Wrawby - ie. the good side of Brigg

While Wrawby might be the good side of Brigg, ultimately the best side of Brigg is Broughton.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Les, tell us more a Caravan in Market Rasen back in 1974, was you saying with Briggy the scrap metal man? Don’t remember too many mobile homes in Rasen unless it was the time of year the “Romany travellers” made their annual visit!!!

I'm getting a very strong 'Last Of The Summer Wine' vibe here.

Les in his holiday shorts, all scuffed shoes and bloody knees. Briggy sending him off to purloin items that only a child could get away with. A hint of Oliver Twist in rural Lincolnshire. Set to a backdrop of gypsy violin music, horses tied in fields and dark haired beauties that stirred something deep inside Les but he was too young to understand what it was.

Quoted from DB

While Wrawby might be the good side of Brigg, ultimately the best side of Brigg is Broughton.

Not sure about that - too near Scunny, too many Scunny fans there, and I recall that some from Broughton didn’t even wear whites and cricket boots for the house cricket matches - dark school trousers and trainers - disgraceful…

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Nearly two pages off topic we need what’s is name statement to bring us to order

Isn't this where B&W Bear asks us what this has to do with Scunthorpe/Hilton ?

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I'm getting a very strong 'Last Of The Summer Wine' vibe here.

Been looking for a Foggy and Compo to compliment my Cleg persona for years. Any takers?

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Not sure about that - too near Scunny, too many Scunny fans there, and I recall that some from Broughton didn’t even wear whites and cricket boots for the house cricket matches - dark school trousers and trainers - disgraceful…

We can't all be perfect but we tried, still, it's not what you wear but the taking part and winning that counts.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Been looking for a Foggy and Compo to compliment my Cleg persona for years. Any takers?

Sorry

(offtopic)

I think we're not off topic as Flixborough went bang and Scunny is on the same sort of fuse before they go bang as well.

Quoted from DB

I think we're not off topic as Flixborough went bang and Scunny is on the same sort of fuse before they go bang as well.

Good point well made

Quoted from DB

I think we're not off topic as Flixborough went bang and Scunny is on the same sort of fuse before they go bang as well.

Twenty Eight people died when Flixborough went bang so not a great analogy.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Twenty Eight people died when Flixborough went bang so not a great analogy.

You forget to mention the number of injuries caused to people in Flixborough and surrounding areas. The mental stress put on people and those who had their properties destroyed and severely damaged. The concern about the toxic cloud etc.

My analogy was a light hearted one. I lived within 2 miles as the crow flies of the site, spent a sleepless night wondering if I and my family would be safe. Humour in times of stress and troubles is one of the few things that keeps us going. Chill out.

Quoted from DB

I think we're not off topic as Flixborough went bang and Scunny is on the same sort of fuse before they go bang as well.

I think the Cliff Brumby character from Get Carter (“you are a big man but you are out of shape”) lived out near Flixborough in the book on which the film is based - Jack’s Return Home - which is mostly set in Scunthorpe. Ted Lewis the author was from Barton - maybe ex Baysgarth School?

I recall that Town get a mention in the book. Jack dies out that side of Scunny near the Humber

Just trying to keep the thread going until the next main popcorn feature on payday…

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I think the Cliff Brumby character from Get Carter (“you are a big man but you are out of shape”) lived out near Flixborough in the book on which the film is based - Jack’s Return Home - which is mostly set in Scunthorpe. Ted Lewis the author was from Barton - maybe ex Baysgarth School?

I recall that Town get a mention in the book. Jack dies out that side of Scunny near the Humber

Just trying to keep the thread going until the next main popcorn feature on payday…

You don't have to try, it's a bit like watching the end of a death film scene that comments " They'll never get me they're all wrong". ;)

Ted Lewis attended Barton Upon Humber Grammar School.
I was 4 years below.
Ironically 4 of us are visiting the Ted Lewis Centre in Barton this Friday afternoon.

Quoted from cannylad65

Ted Lewis attended Barton Upon Humber Grammar School.
I was 4 years below.
Ironically 4 of us are visiting the Ted Lewis Centre in Barton this Friday afternoon.

Thanks. I’ve only read Jack’s Return Home and that was years ago. Should read the prequel Jack Carter’s Law

Quoted from cannylad65

Ted Lewis attended Barton Upon Humber Grammar School.
I was 4 years below.
Ironically 4 of us are visiting the Ted Lewis Centre in Barton this Friday afternoon.

Did you play for Barton United back in the day?

There is an excellent article in the i by Dan Storey today.

Quoted from barralad

Saturday June 1st 1974.

at 4:53 pm

I dread to think what is yet to come!

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/scunthorpe-united-football-club-dying-2646754

Quoted from DB

You forget to mention the number of injuries caused to people in Flixborough and surrounding areas. The mental stress put on people and those who had their properties destroyed and severely damaged. The concern about the toxic cloud etc.

My analogy was a light hearted one. I lived within 2 miles as the crow flies of the site, spent a sleepless night wondering if I and my family would be safe. Humour in times of stress and troubles is one of the few things that keeps us going. Chill out.

True Blue. If we aren't "allowed" to laugh within tragedy, then all Dads Army actors would be shot at dawn. "Don't tell them your name DB"

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I dread to think what is yet to come!

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/scunthorpe-united-football-club-dying-2646754

You need an account to read it

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I dread to think what is yet to come!

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/scunthorpe-united-football-club-dying-2646754

Thanks for this. I had no problem accessing the article for free. Nothing new here, but it’s a well written piece and the national exposure won’t do them any harm. Maybe a potential benefactor may read it. They certainly need Lady Luck to come calling.

Did you play for Barton United back in the day?

I'm afraid knot.

I grew up in Immingham, and went to BGS.

I visited Ted Lewis when he lived in London.
Sadly he sold the book rights, needing the money.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/september/club-update/

Best get the buckets out

Wow, hard to see them coming back now without a phoenix club. Swann may have put the club on life support but Hilton has definitely finished them off.

Quoted from Balthazar Bullitt

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/september/club-update/

Best get the buckets out

So they will be playing at GTFC after all…

They are screwed. Comments like the playing side will be largely untouched followed by any drop in revenue will have an effect, are horrible for them as the playing side will 100% be hit.

Dodgy Dave has put the final nail in the coffin, everyone saw it coming months back

How would the season ticket holders stand if they can't or wont travel to a town 15 miles away with a very poor at best transport link?

Shouldn’t have sacked Graham Alexander.

Anyway, we need to be trying to pick any meat off this carcass. The likes of Roberts and maybe even Elliot got to be worth a punt. Even if the best case scenario comes through and they get promoted this year, I imagine they’ll have promotion bonuses to find and they’re then still looking at a long slog in the conference with no money and no ground.

Quoted from cannylad65

Did you play for Barton United back in the day?

I'm afraid knot.

I grew up in Immingham, and went to BGS.

I visited Ted Lewis when he lived in London.
Sadly he sold the book rights, needing the money.

Ahh ok, I'm getting you mixed up with someone else. :)

So Ian Dawson and Tahina Akther are exiting...which personnel are still there?

It's all so chaotic maybe someone at Scunny should make one of those FBI evidence boards and stick all the names and photos on it, starting with Swann/Hilton in the centre to help explain what's going on.

I’m assuming the ‘outside company to work with creditors’ is an insolvency practitioner?

Quoted from GYinScuntland

How would the season ticket holders stand if they can't or wont travel to a town 15 miles away with a very poor at best transport link?

Agree...

Train 11.08 gets you there for 12.09, the next train 13.08 gets there at 14.38 on Saturdays. Both you need to change at Doncaster. Coming back the only train after 17.00 leaves at 18.44 and gets to Scunthorpe at 20.02 after changes at Retford & Doncaster. A cheap day return would cost £27.10p

The bus is no better, 12.30 get you there for 13.25 the next bus the 13.30 arrives Gainsborough at 14.25. There is only one bus after 17.00 back to Scunthorpe at 17.15. Cost capped at £2 each way at present.

So if you don't have access to car travel you will struggle. Only hope is if they put coaches on.

Quoted from ska face

Shouldn’t have sacked Graham Alexander.

Anyway, we need to be trying to pick any meat off this carcass. The likes of Roberts and maybe even Elliot got to be worth a punt. Even if the best case scenario comes through and they get promoted this year, I imagine they’ll have promotion bonuses to find and they’re then still looking at a long slog in the conference with no money and no ground.

Danny Elliott scored 1 goal every 3 games last season in the National League before moving to Scunny in February. Goals dried up a bit then but they were utter shite. Given our lack of forwards, he'd surely be worth a punt on a short term contract. He also played with Conteh during that period last season.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Agree...

Train 11.08 gets you there for 12.09, the next train 13.08 gets there at 14.38 on Saturdays. Both you need to change at Doncaster. Coming back the only train after 17.00 leaves at 18.44 and gets to Scunthorpe at 20.02 after changes at Retford & Doncaster. A cheap day return would cost £27.10p

The bus is no better, 12.30 get you there for 13.25 the next bus the 13.30 arrives Gainsborough at 14.25. There is only one bus after 17.00 back to Scunthorpe at 17.15. Cost capped at £2 each way at present.

So if you don't have access to car travel you will struggle. Only hope is if they put coaches on.

No local business in their right mind is going to accept business from Scunny at the minute. You'll never get paid!

So on the one hand the push for promotion will not be affected. On the other hand if the club is not supported it will affect the playing staff. Typical of the muddled thinking throughout this mess. And yet there or those who still refer to their chairman as Mr Hilton, and remain in complete denial. So much for his family legacy.

That's an extraordinarily sad if inevitable statement for what should be a football club at the heart of a community. Assume Hilton/White/Anderson has finally accepted that while he may have convinced a few in Scunny, he can't sell the vision to the national media and even the FA
If Swan sends the bulldozers in next week that would be the most heart breaking blow imaginable.

Sad, sad day. Disastrous. It's over and there is no anger left. Only sorrow.

I just hope the prat, Dave, gets exposed for what he is now.

The moron thought he could divide the fanbase and use others as scapegoats. May have worked with Ilkeston, but never was going to with a traditional league club, which gets national interest when his antics becomes too much.

There will be a Radio Humberside Scunny special tonight at 6. Better late than never,I guess.

Hilton did say they’d have spades in the ground by Spring. Didn’t realise he meant they’d be digging their own grave.

Could someone please explain to me in very simple terms, what was Hilton's motive/idea for taking over Scunthorpe United.

Very simple please.
I am an octogenarian.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

Sad, sad day. Disastrous. It's over and there is no anger left. Only sorrow.

I just hope the prat, Dave, gets exposed for what he is now.

The moron thought he could divide the fanbase and use others as scapegoats. May have worked with Ilkeston, but never was going to with a traditional league club, which gets national interest when his antics becomes too much.

I feel genuinely sorry for the true Scunny fans after this announcement, unfortunately we could see it months before when the idea of moving the day to day running of the club to Ilkeston was announced. It’s been one u turn after another and the purchase of GP was never going to happen. Sad day guys. UTM

Quoted from GYinScuntland

How would the season ticket holders stand if they can't or wont travel to a town 15 miles away with a very poor at best transport link?

usually you'd have credit/debit card protections, but I'm fairly certain people could only buy them in cash prior to the start of the season...

Quoted from cannylad65

Could someone please explain to me in very simple terms, what was Hilton's motive/idea for taking over Scunthorpe United.

Very simple please.
I am an octogenarian.

No one knows for sure but it's probably either:

He believed there was an opportunity to acquire the stadium and land for cheap, or perhaps he planned to con the fans into paying for it via the 1899 scheme.
He genuinely thought he was capable of rescuing the club through a combination of ego and belief in his own lies.

Either way, it's a sad day for the people of Scunthorpe. I hope the fans are able to unite and form a phoenix club, I'd be happy to chip in.

What a mess.

No doubt there will be a statement tomorrow retracting today's statement.

I can't help but think that the evil Swann guy is actually the only person able to save SUFC - I mean he owns the ground already just needs the club back lol.

In all seriousness - providing Mr Wham would sell it back to him cheap enough- it would solve problems short term, he can guarantee he gets the rent on the stadium by filling it with football plans, then make it a stable club and sell it complete with stadium to someone else down the line. Nobody would be happy with that situation but it's the only realistic way to avoid destruction surely?

Gainsborough Trinity say they are aware of a groundshare statement by Scunthorpe United but that there is no agreement in place so that makes matters even worse.

Quoted from 800

Gainsborough Trinity say they are aware of a groundshare statement by Scunthorpe United but that there is no agreement in place so that makes matters even worse.

The plot thickens.

Quoted from cannylad65

Could someone please explain to me in very simple terms, what was Hilton's motive/idea for taking over Scunthorpe United.

Very simple please.
I am an octogenarian.

Edit: I originally read this as "Swann", hence the next 1,000 words or so may not actually answer your question.

Right, cast your mind back to May 2013. Scunthorpe, under the ownership of Steve Wharton, have spent the most of the last 7 or 8 years flitting between the upper echelons of League One and the Championship (beating the likes of Newcastle United in league fixtures, would you believe). And it's important to note here that they'd done this not by spunking loads of money they didn't have, but by recruiting incredibly smartly, selling players on for a massive profit and then repeating the process. Tough though it was to admit at the time, they were brilliant at it. Billy Sharp, Andy Keogh, Martin Paterson, Gary Hooper, and so on.

All very good, but Wharton wanted to retire and so one Peter Swann spots an opportunity. Remember that this is 10 years ago; Covid hadn't happened and bricks and mortar retail wasn't completely on it's knees. It just so happens that the land on which Glanford Park was built in the 80's, was now surrounded by retail and leisure units. Ergo, it was worth quite a bit of money.

Of course, a football club needs somewhere to play football (other than Gainsborough, ideally), but it also just so happened that round the corner was the Lincolnshire Lakes development, and with it the opportunity to build a new stadium on a patch of land that was very, very cheap by comparison. So Swann, ever the opportunist, hatched a plan.

1. Acquire the club for very little money - Wharton was keen to step down and was a motivated seller.
2. Get the club firmly back in the Championship - easy peasy given they'd recently made it there, twice, whilst turning a profit.
3. Build a new ground on virtually free land at Lincolnshire Lakes, financed using the Glanford Park land as security (perfectly reasonable in this context).
4. Sell the club, kit and kaboodal with their shiny new ground, as a substantially more fashionable club with realistic aspirations of making the Prem, a la Bournemouth.
5. Make an 8-figure profit on the club, then do the same with the Glanford Park land, by this point no longer required as security following the sale of club and stadium outright to a tycoon or oligarch.
6. Sail off into the sunset, a Scunthorpe United hero and £20 - £30m richer.

Unfortunately, you see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan. It was bóllocks.

As it would turn out, getting the club back in the Championship wasn't quite as easy peasy as it seemed. Such is football, and the increasing number of big clubs with deep pockets finding themselves in League One, throwing millions at the problem on transfer fees and wages failed to guarantee them a passage to the promised land. At one point, Scunny were reported to be spending somewhere in the region of 160% of revenue on players' wages. Wrap your head round that; for every £1 that came through the door, £1.60 went the other way, and that's before every other cost associated with running a football club is accounted for. It could only end one way.

Equally problematic that, as we well know, delivering a new stadium ain't so easy either. Alas, a watered-down plan to redevelop Glanford Park was announced, perhaps at least to try and make the club a more attractive proposition to would-be buyers, but no viable financing mechanic was ever put forward, to my knowledge.

After several years of throwing good money after bad, it appeared to have dawned on Swann that his dream was dead, and so, not actually giving a shít about the club, decided to drastically Benjamin Button the wage bill whilst simultaneously transferring ownership of Glanford Park to his own company, Coolsilk. Relegation from League One inevitably followed, followed by Covid. That was an even bigger problem for Swann given most of his income came was derived from hospitality industry. The construction of his half-rebuilt "Sands Venue" - designed to be the only 5-star hotel in Blackpool, ground to a halt, presumably due to lack of funds, and as of 2023 it still isn't finished (or any further on for that matter).

So Swann pulls the purse strings even tighter, and another relegation follows. At this point, you've got a club massively on the decline, with no ground, and the only way to obtain that ground is to pay the current owner several million quid. In effect, Scunthorpe United was valued by Swann at somewhere in the region of 4x what Stockwood and Pettit paid for Town, which by their own admission, was daylight robbery. Naturally, buyers were few and far between, and so he allowed himself to be sweet-talked into some so-called deal by one David Hilton, a man with no money and even less of an idea about how to run a football club.

So there you have it, pretty much. With Swann now seemingly free to raze Glanford Park to the ground and recoup his eye-watering losses, he has in effect gambled with, and lost all, of someone else's money. Or, perhaps a better analogy, someone else's family heirloom. Once all is done and dusted, and it seemingly almost is, he'll have lost next to nothing, with the possible exception of the ability to have a night out in North East Lincs. Meanwhile, the town of Scunthorpe has lost its biggest and most important community asset. And he's been allowed to do all of that within the confines of the law and the inept parameters laid down by the FA.

An ego-powered get-rich-quick scheme, underwritten by the fans of an historic football club. An historic ex-football club.

RIP, Scunny. :o

Quoted from 800

Gainsborough Trinity say they are aware of a groundshare statement by Scunthorpe United but that there is no agreement in place so that makes matters even worse.

Just take a moment to think about this - Scunny have released a statement saying they will be playing at Gainsborough in a week or so and Gainsborough are saying there is no agreement in place.

So either they are talking in the background about the groundshare and Scunny have been a bit premature or they do not have a ground to fulfil upcoming home fixtures!

The incompetence is staggering.

Quoted from MarinerDevil

No one knows for sure but it's probably either:
He believed there was an opportunity to acquire the stadium and land for cheap, or perhaps he planned to con the fans into paying for it via the 1899 scheme.
He genuinely thought he was capable of rescuing the club through a combination of ego and belief in his own lies.

Either way, it's a sad day for the people of Scunthorpe. I hope the fans are able to unite and form a phoenix club, I'd be happy to chip in.

I think it's a more complicated scenario and ever changing in the mind of Mr David .

-The Ticket Scheme so the fans pay for it and then he sells and makes a neat profit.
Oh oh they don't buy the tickets!
-move the club to Ilkeston , damage limitation but still make a bit , try and force the council into funding a new stadium
Oh oh the fans won't have it!
-I can't buy the ground , so buy some time with GP, the fans hate Swann so they will back me to a man and his dog
Oh oh Not all the fans do and they realise it's a sticky situation (I will pay on credit for a 1 million quid budget in the process , it does not matter i don't have the minerals )
-recruit a willing charlatan to cause division ..... 'Hi sherbert you need your money topping up ?' .........

And then the rest that follows
-

Tweet 1707380839791690208 will appear here...

The GTFC statement.

Without anywhere to play they’ll last 5 minutes.

Quoted from Poojah

Edit: I originally read this as "Swann", hence the next 1,000 words or so may not actually answer your question.

Right, cast your mind back to May 2013. Scunthorpe, under the ownership of Steve Wharton, have spent the most of the last 7 or 8 years flitting between the upper echelons of League One and the Championship (beating the likes of Newcastle United in league fixtures, would you believe). And it's important to note here that they'd done this not by spunking loads of money they didn't have, but by recruiting incredibly smartly, selling players on for a massive profit and then repeating the process. Tough though it was to admit at the time, they were brilliant at it. Billy Sharp, Andy Keogh, Martin Paterson, Gary Hooper, and so on.

All very good, but Wharton wanted to retire and so one Peter Swann spots an opportunity. Remember that this is 10 years ago; Covid hadn't happened and bricks and mortar retail wasn't completely on it's knees. It just so happens that the land on which Glanford Park was built in the 80's, was now surrounded by retail and leisure units. Ergo, it was worth quite a bit of money.

Of course, a football club needs somewhere to play football (other than Gainsborough, ideally), but it also just so happened that round the corner was the Lincolnshire Lakes development, and with it the opportunity to build a new stadium on a patch of land that was very, very cheap by comparison. So Swann, ever the opportunist, hatched a plan.

1. Acquire the club for very little money - Wharton was keen to step down and was a motivated seller.
2. Get the club firmly back in the Championship - easy peasy given they'd recently made it there, twice, whilst turning a profit.
3. Build a new ground on virtually free land at Lincolnshire Lakes, financed using the Glanford Park land as security (perfectly reasonable in this context).
4. Sell the club, kit and kaboodal with their shiny new ground, as a substantially more fashionable club with realistic aspirations of making the Prem, a la Bournemouth.
5. Make an 8-figure profit on the club, then do the same with the Glanford Park land, by this point no longer required as security following the sale of club and stadium outright to a tycoon or oligarch.
6. Sail off into the sunset, a Scunthorpe United hero and £20 - £30m richer.

Unfortunately, you see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan. It was bóllocks.

As it would turn out, getting the club back in the Championship wasn't quite as easy peasy as it seemed. Such is football, and the increasing number of big clubs with deep pockets finding themselves in League One, throwing millions at the problem on transfer fees and wages failed to guarantee them a passage to the promised land. At one point, Scunny were reported to be spending somewhere in the region of 160% of revenue on players' wages. Wrap your head round that; for every £1 that came through the door, £1.60 went the other way, and that's before every other cost associated with running a football club is accounted for. It could only end one way.

Equally problematic that, as we well know, delivering a new stadium ain't so easy either. Alas, a watered-down plan to redevelop Glanford Park was announced, perhaps at least to try and make the club a more attractive proposition to would-be buyers, but no viable financing mechanic was ever put forward, to my knowledge.

After several years of throwing good money after bad, it appeared to have dawned on Swann that his dream was dead, and so, not actually giving a shít about the club, decided to drastically Benjamin Button the wage bill whilst simultaneously transferring ownership of Glanford Park to his own company, Coolsilk. Relegation from League One inevitably followed, followed by Covid. That was an even bigger problem for Swann given most of his income came was derived from hospitality industry. The construction of his half-rebuilt "Sands Venue" - designed to be the only 5-star hotel in Blackpool, ground to a halt, presumably due to lack of funds, and as of 2023 it still isn't finished (or any further on for that matter).

So Swann pulls the purse strings even tighter, and another relegation follows. At this point, you've got a club massively on the decline, with no ground, and the only way to obtain that ground is to pay the current owner several million quid. In effect, Scunthorpe United was valued by Swann at somewhere in the region of 4x what Stockwood and Pettit paid for Town, which by their own admission, was daylight robbery. Naturally, buyers were few and far between, and so he allowed himself to be sweet-talked into some so-called deal by one David Hilton, a man with no money and even less of an idea about how to run a football club.

So there you have it, pretty much. With Swann now seemingly free to raze Glanford Park to the ground and recoup his eye-watering losses, he has in effect gambled with, and lost all, of someone else's money. Or, perhaps a better analogy, someone else's family heirloom. Once all is done and dusted, and it seemingly almost is, he'll have lost next to nothing, with the possible exception of the ability to have a night out in North East Lincs. Meanwhile, the town of Scunthorpe has lost its biggest and most important community asset. And he's been allowed to do all of that within the confines of the law and the inept parameters laid down by the FA.

An ego-powered get-rich-quick scheme, underwritten by the fans of an historic football club. An historic ex-football club.

RIP, Scunny. :o

Swanns USP was 'who would want to buy a club when you have to make up a million pound shortfall every year , and all you get for it is abuse '

He was never going to find a 'good un' was he ?

He also said many times he wanted to 'take them right through ' to the EPL the bloke was on fantasy island

He got the 'taking them right through' bit right at least I guess ,the other way.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Tweet 1707380839791690208 will appear here...

The GTFC statement.

Without anywhere to play they’ll last 5 minutes.

Christ on a bike! This isn't even 'we've not finalised it yet' it's more like 'we haven't even spoken to them'. And they don't sound very enthusiastic about the idea either.

Quoted from ska face

Shouldn’t have sacked Graham Alexander.

Anyway, we need to be trying to pick any meat off this carcass. The likes of Roberts and maybe even Elliot got to be worth a punt. Even if the best case scenario comes through and they get promoted this year, I imagine they’ll have promotion bonuses to find and they’re then still looking at a long slog in the conference with no money and no ground.

Perhaps, in the interests of maintaining this thread to offer our condolences to our neighbours (deep felt from being from the borders near Brigg), we should refrain from debating carcass picking.

That does of course leave the door open for a new Ska Face Out of Transfer Window - Carcass Picking thread…

Surely the National League now have to get involved as it has transpired that Scunny don't have a home to play at in a weeks time.

Compare and contrast poor Scuuny’s current plight with a packed out old Sinny Bank last night, more than competing with £170m worth of West Ham talent.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Compare and contrast poor Scuuny’s current plight with a packed out old Sinny Bank last night, more than competing with £170m worth of West Ham talent.

No, let’s not.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Surely the National League now have to get involved as it has transpired that Scunny don't have a home to play at in a weeks time.

Suspect the statement was deliberately issued so as to put pressure on Gainsborough & relevant authorities. Shifts the blame off Hilton (again) and onto someone else if they can’t get something sorted in the next week or so. Fair play to Gainsborough, not their problem to solve.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Compare and contrast poor Scuuny’s current plight with a packed out old Sinny Bank last night, more than competing with £170m worth of West Ham talent.

And the only ground in the country where the entire home crowd is closely related to each other. A family club.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Compare and contrast poor Scuuny’s current plight with a packed out old Sinny Bank last night, more than competing with £170m worth of West Ham talent.

Well no lets not as this isn't actually about you 6 fingered lot.

bit in bold almost made me vomit as well

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

No, let’s not.

The reason I mention it, is because Swann was interested in taking over at Lincoln before Clive Nates arrived, but thankfully Bob Dorian saw through it and bided his time before stepping down.

Quoted from Hagrid

Well no lets not as this isn't actually about you 6 fingered lot.

bit in bold almost made me vomit as well

Sinny Bank is what us old gits have always affectionally called it … LNER stadium doesn’t have the same ring I’m afraid.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Compare and contrast poor Scuuny’s current plight with a packed out old Sinny Bank last night, more than competing with £170m worth of West Ham talent.

And last year of course when you went out of the FA Cup to £170m worth* of Chippenham talent.

*It might have been less than that

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Christ on a bike! This isn't even 'we've not finalised it yet' it's more like 'we haven't even spoken to them'. And they don't sound very enthusiastic about the idea either.

My understanding is that Hilton did contact Gainsborough about ground sharing but when he didn’t get the response he hoped for he made certain threats to the Gainsborough official. Any ground share with Gainsborough is also made more complex as the ground is not owned by the football club but by the supporters club and it was them that refused to sell to Swann a few years back when he was Chairman leading to his departure to Scunthorpe. Now looks an even better decision by the supporters.

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Compare and contrast poor Scuuny’s current plight with a packed out old Sinny Bank last night, more than competing with £170m worth of West Ham talent.

There for the grace of god!!! It’s my understanding that Swann was very close to taking over at Lincoln when Bob put the club up for sale and the Lincoln board felt very let down when he switched to Scunny at the last minute!

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Sinny Bank is what us old gits have always affectionally called it … LNER stadium doesn’t have the same ring I’m afraid.

Wow, you’re on a GTFC site, on a thread about Scunthorpe, trying to shoehorn in a reference to Lincoln. You need to get out more. Sinny Bank my @rse

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Sinny Bank is what us old gits have always affectionally called it … LNER stadium doesn’t have the same ring I’m afraid.

What do you call the Etihad?

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Compare and contrast poor Scuuny’s current plight with a packed out old Sinny Bank last night, more than competing with £170m worth of West Ham talent.

'more than competing with' is a lot of words for 'lost to'.

You're right though, one team has been artificially floated above it's natural level by having extra millions pumped into it for years and the stadium is surrounded by a sh!thole, the other team is Scunthorpe.

Trinity statement reads to me that they've taken offence, which you can understand.

I'd imagine any hopes of Scunny playing at Northolme have taken a bit of a hammering.

If playing at Trinity is off, I wonder if there's going to be a call to an 01472 number soonish to see if help is available...got a feeling that the club would say no just because of the general wrong feeling to Scunny at this moment in time.

Regards the carcass, we can't change the situation.  If we don't get in there like a vulture someone else will.  Not sure there's much to go at.  I think Elliott's ok, but probably not up to this level.  Roberts, yeah I reckon he's worth a go.

Quoted from Grantley

What do you call the Etihad?

Home. ;D

Quoted from diehardmariner

Trinity statement reads to me that they've taken offence, which you can understand.

I'd imagine any hopes of Scunny playing at Northolme have taken a bit of a hammering.

If playing at Trinity is off, I wonder if there's going to be a call to an 01472 number soonish to see if help is available...got a feeling that the club would say no just because of the general wrong feeling to Scunny at this moment in time.

Regards the carcass, we can't change the situation.  If we don't get in there like a vulture someone else will.  Not sure there's much to go at.  I think Elliott's ok, but probably not up to this level.  Roberts, yeah I reckon he's worth a go.

The idea of them playing at BP is a non-starter. Besides the general rivalry between fans that would make both sets of supporters uncomfortable, there’s no way the pitch can take the best part of another 40 games this season. It’s held up well after the summer work, but the weather’s been very kind so far.

Quoted from Grantley

What do you call the Etihad?

I'm sure AryanImp was one of the sub 2000 rocking up at 'Sinny Bank' in the dark days of less than a decade ago. At least Scunny still haven't sunk to those depths of the whole town turning their back on the club only to crawl back like Man City fans up Wembley Way in 1999.

Come to think of it...do you have the badges for both those achievement, Aryan?

1 Ground share with Doncaster Rovers may be a better transport route for Scunthorpe fans - after all, they did used to play on Doncaster Road. Not sure if rivalry between the clubs is a showstopper.

2 The 2 law expert directors resignations mean that Scunthorpe United seem to be on a course of lawlessness?

Quoted from diehardmariner

Trinity statement reads to me that they've taken offence, which you can understand.

I'd imagine any hopes of Scunny playing at Northolme have taken a bit of a hammering.

If playing at Trinity is off, I wonder if there's going to be a call to an 01472 number soonish to see if help is available...got a feeling that the club would say no just because of the general wrong feeling to Scunny at this moment in time.

Regards the carcass, we can't change the situation.  If we don't get in there like a vulture someone else will.  Not sure there's much to go at.  I think Elliott's ok, but probably not up to this level.  Roberts, yeah I reckon he's worth a go.

We couldn't sign their players anyway, at least not until Jan. They weren't free agents when the window shut. They can sign for other non league clubs though.

As for Hilton. He's clearly one of those people who craves attention and wants the Millionaires lifestyle without the actual millions behind him.

Definitely a sociopathic narcissist. The type that leaves a trail of devastation wherever he goes.

Sad but predictable day for Scunny.

Go on the official FB page . Some fans blaming negativity for this mess 🤣🤣🤣 it’s probably the wrong time to ask but does this mean the new ground is a nonstarter?

What I find most odd is that both those who agreed to go join the SUFC Board and even the agents of players ( do they do any kind of due diligence for their clients? Seems not) they have signed didn’t smell a rat, when we on here and some on Iron Bru have thought the whole thing feels wrong the moment he didn’t buy the ground and came up with blatant bull about the new ground with council support. Looks like bullshite, smells like bullshite but hey-ho I’m going to join the Board anyway…

Quoted from ginnywings

We couldn't sign their players anyway, at least not until Jan. They weren't free agents when the window shut. They can sign for other non league clubs though.

I seem to recall, but happy to be corrected, that there's some sort of precedent for players that find themselves without club and/or payment outside of a transfer window. Effectively their status changes to that of a free agent prior to the window closing.

Quoted from Poojah

The idea of them playing at BP is a non-starter. Besides the general rivalry between fans that would make both sets of supporters uncomfortable, there’s no way the pitch can take the best part of another 40 games this season. It’s held up well after the summer work, but the weather’s been very kind so far.

Oh I don't want it. Not to be an bottom, but Scunny need to stand on their own feet here and by that I mean their fans need to start with their phoenix club rather than clinging onto the sinking ship. I'd feel fairly uncomfortable us playing a role in delaying their pending death.

Regards the rivalry, if we took the Hilton factor out of it and all that I think if most Scunny fans had the choice of not seeing their club or watching them at BP then they would be on the M180 before you finished asking the question. I'd be the same if roles were reversed.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I seem to recall, but happy to be corrected, that there's some sort of precedent for players that find themselves without club and/or payment outside of a transfer window. Effectively their status changes to that of a free agent prior to the window closing.

Then I stand corrected if that is the case.

Sounds feasible.

Quoted from It Bites

Go on the official FB page . Some fans blaming negativity for this mess 🤣🤣🤣 it’s probably the wrong time to ask but does this mean the new ground is a nonstarter?

In one of his final tirades (I assume) Hilton claimed the council had retracted funding (something, by the account of the local authority they 'knew nothing about ' anyway , when asked months earlier)

But yes it's safe to assume something that was never happening , will not be happening .

Quoted from NorfolkImp

Sinny Bank is what us old gits have always affectionally called it … LNER stadium doesn’t have the same ring I’m afraid.

Weird that Man City fans have a nickname for a lower league club's home ground.

Quoted from ginnywings

We couldn't sign their players anyway, at least not until Jan. They weren't free agents when the window shut. They can sign for other non league clubs though.

Is there any relaxation of that rule in such a scenario where a player’s former club has been formally liquidated? In the case of Scunthorpe, most of their players would naturally be looking for a new home in non-league, but in the event an EFL club went pop mid-window, it would seem a pretty harsh restriction of employment if the player no longer had an income from their former, now defunct employer.

Quoted from Mappers

In one of his final tirades (I assume) Hilton claimed the council had retracted funding (something, by the account of of the local authority they 'knew nothing about ' anyway , when asked months earlier)

But yes it's safe to assume something that was never happening , will not be happening .

Ah yes a kind of inverse of the meat tax tactic…

Quoted from Poojah

Is there any relaxation of that rule in such a scenario where a player’s former club has been formally liquidated? In the case of Scunthorpe, most of their players would naturally be looking for a new home in non-league, but in the event an EFL club went pop mid-window, it would seem a pretty harsh restriction of employment if the player no longer had an income from their former, now defunct employer.

As mentioned by someone above, I think the players automatically become free agents if their club goes under.

Quoted from ginnywings

As for Hilton. He's clearly one of those people who craves attention and wants the Millionaires lifestyle without the actual millions behind him.

Definitely a sociopathic narcissist. The type that leaves a trail of devastation wherever he goes.

Sad but predictable day for Scunny.

I think I saw "sociopathic narcissist" play at the Winter Gardens in 79 Ginny! ;)

I think we are honour bound to offer them the use of BP if it will save the club, small clubs have to help each other regardless of local rivalries.

I would understand though if Stockwood and Petit refused to deal with Hilton. And that might be a neat little get out.

Quoted from lee65

I think I saw "sociopathic narcissist" play at the Winter Gardens in 79 Ginny! ;)

Oh God, the production on their second album was amazing....

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I think we are honour bound to offer them the use of BP if it will save the club, small clubs have to help each other regardless of local rivalries.

I would understand though if Stockwood and Petit refused to deal with Hilton. And that might be a neat little get out.

Nah no way, Our pitch couldnt handle another 20 odd games, nor would we get any payment from them for it.

Quoted from Teestogreen

1 Ground share with Doncaster Rovers may be a better transport route for Scunthorpe fans - after all, they did used to play on Doncaster Road. Not sure if rivalry between the clubs is a showstopper.

2 The 2 law expert directors resignations mean that Scunthorpe United seem to be on a course of lawlessness?

Don’t the egg chasers play there too?

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Don’t the egg chasers play there too?

They do.

Castle Park may be the best option in Doncaster. It’s a small modern stadium that holds about 5000.

Rugby League season just finished - probably start again in Feb 24

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I think we are honour bound to offer them the use of BP if it will save the club, small clubs have to help each other regardless of local rivalries.

I would understand though if Stockwood and Petit refused to deal with Hilton. And that might be a neat little get out.

If it was something that looked like a possibility, it would have to be strict payment conditions, i.e. the money up front.

The club should put then put the ball in their court by putting a statement out setting the facts before they make it up again.

Briefly, Hilton has so far:
Promised that the deal included GP.
Moved operations to Ilkeston and then decided against it.
Promised a new stadium on a former tip that the council know nothing about.
Shot down this Gainsborough rumour the other day before publishing as fact, before Gainsborough denied it.

The above isn't even all of it, and he hasn't even owned them for 12 months!

Can't believe their fans were so gullible not to smell a rat when they could only pay cash for their season tickets.If anyone who paid cash,reads this would like to recoup their money I'v got some magic beans going cheap.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

If it was something that looked like a possibility, it would have to be strict payment conditions, i.e. the money up front.

The club should put then put the ball in their court by putting a statement out setting the facts before they make it up again.

Briefly, Hilton has so far:
Promised that the deal included GP.
Moved operations to Ilkeston and then decided against it.
Promised a new stadium on a former tip that the council know nothing about.
Shot down this Gainsborough rumour the other day before publishing as fact, before Gainsborough denied it.

The above isn't even all of it, and he hasn't even owned them for 12 months!

It’s a non starter while Mr D is still involved and I would hazard a guess that will apply to any other football club

Quoted from jamesgtfc

If it was something that looked like a possibility, it would have to be strict payment conditions, i.e. the money up front.

The club should put then put the ball in their court by putting a statement out setting the facts before they make it up again.

Briefly, Hilton has so far:
Promised that the deal included GP.
Moved operations to Ilkeston and then decided against it.
Promised a new stadium on a former tip that the council know nothing about.
Shot down this Gainsborough rumour the other day before publishing as fact, before Gainsborough denied it.

The above isn't even all of it, and he hasn't even owned them for 12 months!

Of course! I'm taking a bit if a battering for this with the old red crosses (I can live with that) but I didn't mean for a second that we just open the gates and let them walk in. There would have to be a strict agreement. And preferably not with Hilton involved.

Small clubs have to look out for each other because the EFL, FA and Premier League are not going to do it. Stockwood talks constantly about us being part of the community, I know he means Grimsby and Cleethorpes but we are also part of a football community. We need to reach out to Scunthorpe's supporters and the good people involved in the club.

Whether we like it or not Scunny fans are just like us - they've seen the good, the bad and the Conference. They've turned up in all weathers and all divisions to be mostly disappointed.

They have to know that, as football fans, we are with them and we stand shoulder to shoulder in condemning sh*tgibbons like Swann, White/Hilton and Fenty.

The football stadium in Gainsborough( The Northolme ) is owned by the Gainsborough Trinity Supporters Club & NOT Gainsborough Trinity Football Club. The football club lease the ground from the supporters club. So i would have thought that there may well be some clause in the lease that may limit it's use or prevent sub-leasing it out to 3rd parties?. So the situation is no doubt more complicated than a simple agreement between the two football clubs. We shall see !.

I know nothing whatsoever about the man of many names, but the only thing I could imagine he'd be trying to get involved in Scunny for would to be a to facilitate something which sounds a bit like honey maundering. Allegedly, of course, because I don't know where any honey to maunder would come from.

It's a weird situation which is sadly to going to end as we all expected for the fans.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Small clubs have to look out for each other because the EFL, FA and Premier League are not going to do it. Stockwood talks constantly about us being part of the community, I know he means Grimsby and Cleethorpes but we are also part of a football community. We need to reach out to Scunthorpe's supporters and the good people involved in the club.

They have to know that, as football fans, we are with them and we stand shoulder to shoulder in condemning sh*tgibbons like Swann, White/Hilton and Fenty.

OK....thats twice now BCT .........refer to us again as a small club and I will red cross you.

I am a in a group chat with several Scunthorpe fans and for months and months I have been trying to tell them it will end up in tears but they haven't had it and they've all stuck up for Hilton or White or whatever name he's going by now, but now today all of a sudden they are slagging him off! I just commented in it saying "told you so"

Quoted from moosey_club

OK....thats twice now BCT .........refer to us again as a small club and I will red cross you.

I wonder if JSF fancies buying a local football club......

Quoted from Grantley

What do you call the Etihad?

Much more fond of the Spaghettihad (Livingston's Tony Macaroni Arena/Almodvale Stadium)

For those unaware, Tony Macaroni is a Scottish/Northern Irish chain of Italian restaurants.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almondvale_Stadium

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The Humberside phone in...First caller ..... when he first came in i was right behind David Hilton...... and to some extent I still am ...

They have that youtube bloke on now , he still seems behind Hilton .

I hope he realises the club goes , because he still seems pretty upbeat .

Its going to hit him hard.

Gainsborough Trinity have deleted their statement!

Going - Going - GONE

Quoted from Shipwrecked In Gainsborough

The football stadium in Gainsborough( The Northolme ) is owned by the Gainsborough Trinity Supporters Club & NOT Gainsborough Trinity Football Club. The football club lease the ground from the supporters club. So i would have thought that there may well be some clause in the lease that may limit it's use or prevent sub-leasing it out to 3rd parties?. So the situation is no doubt more complicated than a simple agreement between the two football clubs. We shall see !.

Any sensible scunny fan who knew Swann would be a problem, and there were warning signs would know that Trinity aren’t the people you need to negotiate with…hence why Swann copulated off from trinity…

I presume Mr Wham isn’t struggling with mental health anymore?

FFS apart from the Price of Football bloke the whole programme totally lacked any sort of analytical depth. Or, apart from the Price of Football bloke that was typical Radio Humberside.

As for the Scunny fans who were saying what great football they’ve been playing blah blah blah, totally missing the absolute basic point that what 4 Names has done is a shorter term version of Swann - signing players completely beyond their financial means. But Swann at least paid the bills for a few years…

Didn't Hilton say he'd keep funding them a week or so ago until it was sold?

So much for a leopard changing its spots.

If it looks like a fraudster, sounds like a fraudster, acts like a fraudster, convicted of fraud then it probably is a fraudster. But apparently some scunny fans still can't see it. bonkers.

Quoted from Davec

I am a in a group chat with several Scunthorpe fans and for months and months I have been trying to tell them it will end up in tears but they haven't had it and they've all stuck up for Hilton or White or whatever name he's going by now, but now today all of a sudden they are slagging him off! I just commented in it saying "told you so"

I bet that made them feel better!

I don't know what the hell it will take for that shower to wake up ?
It's way beyond sleepwalking to oblivion FFS

Quoted from cannylad65

Could someone please explain to me in very simple terms, what was Hilton's motive/idea for taking over Scunthorpe United.

Very simple please.
I am an octogenarian.

Hubris

Payday tomorrow.  That should be interesting.  You have to feel for the genuine fans and also the staff.
As good as it is to watch them suffer, I think they’ve sunk low enough to keep me satisfied.
If they had a whip-round to fund a phoenix club I’d stick a tenner in.  But wouldn’t donate a single penny while the multi named scumbag is involved.
I personally have them as bigger rivals than the Gimps and would love to play them again in a few years time.
I think you’d struggle to find many people happier than me when JF left our club.
But anybody comparing him to Hilton is out of order IMHO.
UTM

Scunny got battered, everywhere they went 🎶

Too soon?

Quibell Park. Council Owned, I am sure they will be keen to help.Plenty of room for a couple of extra temporary stands and a great view from the trees.

When are their fans going to wake up to fact that they have been misled.

Quoted from friskneymariner

When are their fans going to wake up to fact that they have been misled.

Some of them have .

Some will blame Swann forever , probably as a smokescreen to their own shortfall of trusting Dodgy D and cooing over him for 8 months .

Swann effectively killed the club when he signed it over to Coolsilk , Hilton is finishing the job in the most explosive of ways.

They have no assets , the administrators won't even be able to pay themselves let alone creditors ; unless there is a miracle (or major investment ) the club will be liquidated- the quicker their fans unite and realise this the better as it might make them wake up and try to formulate a way forward which is currently most likely a phoenix club or somehow raising the investment over time to buy GP (if Swann would be willing) and pay off debts ; which seems inconceivable really .

What happens to the poor buggers that paid £1800 for lifetime membership, proper stitched up

Quoted from Simon

What happens to the poor buggers that paid £1800 for lifetime membership, proper stitched up

I thought they abandoned that after initial declaration of interests peaked at 61?? so no one actually bought in.
If they did then according to the original blurb they would all own a share of the ground wouldnt they ? .....but seeing as Mr Wham didn't buy the ground anyway then I guess they all have magic beans

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/scunthorpe-united-football-club-dying-2646754

There were warning signs when Swann took over, they ignored it. There were warning signs when Hilton took over, they ignored it. Then, to make matters worse, fans who challenged and questioned decisions and were thinking about their club were pilloried by their own, because, quite frankly, the cult like a approach from Hilton fans just manifested like a parasite among fans.

They’re doomed but still, even now, having listened to Humberside, they still can’t see it. For those fans, I will laugh if they go under. You’re part of the problem. However, for the rest, we’ll be sad. I’d rather have a derby than nothing, a real club to play.

Then factor in people not getting paid, people being sacked or made redundant and it all makes for a very sad story.

There are once again questions to be asked of the FA and leagues when they’re processing applications from people to buy clubs, something has to change. It won’t, because they’re not really bothered truth be told…perhaps it’s time for supporters to unite and take a stand…

This whole debacle has all the hallmarks of a cult,with a campaign of hatred being whipped up against any dissenters.Scunthorpe fans should take a long hard look at themselves and wake up to the reality of the situation,no matter how hard for them.

For the muppets that were swallowing hiltons bullshit and, worse, threatening other fans on his behalf when they called him out on his bullshit, I hope the club just hurries up and dies and puts everyone out of their misery.

For the real scunny fans (yes, there are a few!) I recognise this whole episode is a flipping disgrace, a damning indictment of the FA and the fit and proper person test, and a warning as to how easy it is for bad ownership to destroy a precious community asset. In all likelihood the club goes and it takes many years, perhaps decades to get back to the EFL as a phoenix club (assuming their divided fanbase can even rally round).

No way on earth we should be propping them up with a ground share though, sympathy only goes so far. Anyway their fans would vandalise stuff, be naieve to think otherwise, the pitch can't take it, and any money that comes in would probably be more than lost on legal battles to try and force payment or eviction!

Rumour is Danny Whitehall and Michael Clunnan have left. I’m assuming they are two of the better players.

Payday today so doesn’t look good.

Have they got any players worth a short contract ?

How did this Grifter ever pass the 'fit and proper'?
This looks like the death of Scunthorpe and I'm gutted for the fans.
I would rather them be in the league if only for a good away day.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Have they got any players worth a short contract ?

Whitehall is a 6’3 striker who’s scored 6 in 9 so far. Not sure if he’d be good enough for this level though.

Quoted from TAGG

How did this Grifter ever pass the 'fit and proper'?
This looks like the death of Scunthorpe and I'm gutted for the fans.
I would rather them be in the league if only for a good away day.

Mad to think that surreal day back in March 2020 wasn't just our last game to attend for well over a year, but also our last ever visit to Glanford Park.

Quoted from Marinerdan

Whitehall is a 6’3 striker who’s scored 6 in 9 so far. Not sure if he’d be good enough for this level though.

14 in a bang average Eastleigh side last season. If he's permissable to sign I'd be getting him in. Not really your typical Hurst move though, is it?

Whitehall is decent saw him a few times for Eastleigh - thought he would step up to league 2 or a higher end national league club ,but went to our neighbours for ££££ no doubt - similiar to Ryan Taylor in style but a bit younger and scores a few more ; he will get snapped up .

Probably on daft wages though for what he is ?

Quoted from TAGG

How did this Grifter ever pass the 'fit and proper'?
This looks like the death of Scunthorpe and I'm gutted for the fans.
I would rather them be in the league if only for a good away day.

The Saudi Arabian government own Newcastle, the list of owners who have shafted clubs is endless.The fit and proper test is a sham.

Quoted from Mappers

Whitehall is decent saw him a few times for Eastleigh - thought he would step up to league 2 or a higher end national league club ,but went to our neighbours for ££££ no doubt - similiar to Ryan Taylor in style but a bit younger and scores a few more ; he will get snapped up .

Probably on daft wages though for what he is ?

Draft wages is one thing, getting them paid is another.

Quoted from Mappers

Whitehall is decent saw him a few times for Eastleigh - thought he would step up to league 2 or a higher end national league club ,but went to our neighbours for ££££ no doubt - similiar to Ryan Taylor in style but a bit younger and scores a few more ; he will get snapped up .

Probably on daft wages though for what he is ?

Shouldn't think he's getting any wages this month.

I know many on here have seen that Facebook page and are baffled by the devotion to Hilton. I agree, and I am baffled by it too. Especially now for any remaining sympathies. However, looking at twitter and elsewhere, this week has been a real watershed. Many have turned, those trying the Facebook style devotion and defence get ratioed and disagreed with. There are calls for unity, and there is a greater feeling of such than before. I don't think the Hilton backers are as representative as they once were.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I know many on here have seen that Facebook page and are baffled by the devotion to Hilton. I agree, and I am baffled by it too. Especially now for any remaining sympathies. However, looking at twitter and elsewhere, this week has been a real watershed. Many have turned, those trying the Facebook style devotion and defence get ratioed and disagreed with. There are calls for unity, and there is a greater feeling of such than before. I don't think the Hilton backers are as representative as they once were.

Herbert has gone completely awol hasn’t he? Not surprised.

Quoted from DB

Draft wages is one thing, getting them paid is another.

Should have put Taft wages instead of daft

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Herbert has gone completely awol hasn’t he? Not surprised.

Nope, apparently he’s ‘gonna excrement through Swanns letterbox , every other Saturday’
Class 😬

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Herbert has gone completely awol hasn’t he? Not surprised.

He was back on twitter trying to put a positive spin and attack those who 'hate Scunthorpe Utd'. He was getting short shrift. The most hated man in Scunny now outside of club ownership. Someone did a twitter poll of who is a bigger waster between him, Hilton and Swann and he was above Swann.

Staff not paid apparently? A go fund me already set up

Quoted from TAGG

How did this Grifter ever pass the 'fit and proper'?
This looks like the death of Scunthorpe and I'm gutted for the fans.
I would rather them be in the league if only for a good away day.

From Wiki
"Disqualifying events
The Premier League has tighter restrictions than the Football League or National League. In general, a businessman will fail the test if:
    They have power or influence over another Football League club[7]
    They hold a significant interest in another Football League club[7]
    They become prohibited by law from being a director[7]
    They are filing for bankruptcy[7]
    They have been director of a club while it has suffered two or more unconnected events of insolvency[7]
    They have been a director of two or more clubs of which, while they have been director, has suffered an event of insolvency"

Q's are football-centric. You can be a pedo, rapist, clubbed your granny, bankrupted other businesses and gone to jail as long as its not football related, its OK.

Also thought Radio Humberside special very poor apart from the financial bloke. If the club is liquidated then it must start again, like Bury. Administration would mean a 10 pt reduction, putting the club just outside the bottom four on goal difference.

Grim.

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Buxton an incredible 13/5 with Bet 365 tomorrow.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Buxton an incredible 13/5 with Bet 365 tomorrow.

Will Scunny put a team out if they haven't been paid?

Quoted from It Bites

Staff not paid apparently? A go fund me already set up

I'm in 2 minds about this...every ounce of me wants to support them and see the club survive but a go fund me page is, in some ways, letting Hilton/White get away with it.
He can walk away leaving absolute f*cking carnage behind him and the future of the club rests with hard working people putting their hands in their pockets again. And many who will contribute will have been putting their hands in their pockets to support Scunny for years.

There's also every chance right now that if you contribute to the page you are chucking good money after bad and still won't have a club to support in a month or so.

I know it's to support office staff etc but I'm torn.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Buxton an incredible 13/5 with Bet 365 tomorrow.

Steaming in. 4/1 yesterday.

Quoted from DB

Will Scunny put a team out if they haven't been paid?

They'll get a team out even if it's full of kids.

But if my employer hadn't paid me in these circumstances they would be told to f*ck off. Any player who plays tomorrow is in danger of getting injured (as any player is in any game) and finding themselves without a job in the very near future and no club prepared to sign them because of their injury.

I'm sorry Mr Hilton/White, I'll be busy in Sainsburys tomorrow afternoon and busy every day until you pay me what I'm owed.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I'm in 2 minds about this...every ounce of me wants to support them and see the club survive but a go fund me page is, in some ways, letting Hilton/White get away with it.
He can walk away leaving absolute f*cking carnage behind him and the future of the club rests with hard working people putting their hands in their pockets again. And many who will contribute will have been putting their hands in their pockets to support Scunny for years.

There's also every chance right now that if you contribute to the page you are chucking good money after bad and still won't have a club to support in a month or so.

I know it's to support office staff etc but I'm torn.

I’d contribute for the admin staff of SUFC but not the playing staff. The players have to earn a living but I regard the whole fiasco as blatant cheating. It would be big sporting news if higher up the pyramid.
Before the rule changes remember Leicester City not paying the stadium investor yet signing Danny Coyne on higher wages than we could afford. Whitehall scores 6 in 9 yet the stadium security contractor has not been paid.

Suspect they will be gone within a month. I feel quite sad about this to be honest. I enjoyed them ending up in the national league and then the second relegation was hilarious. But the reality is that two terrible owners have taken a perfectly sound football club and destroyed it. It could happen to us in the future (and it nearly did in 2021). I feel like there should be some way of stopping this from happening but not sure what. It could be 20 years before we play a team from Scunny again (outside of the Lincs Cup) and frankly thats just bizarre. Feel for Fans, staff and the honest people connected with the club. They need to get a phoenix club ready to go.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

They'll get a team out even if it's full of kids.

But if my employer hadn't paid me in these circumstances they would be told to f*ck off. Any player who plays tomorrow is in danger of getting injured (as any player is in any game) and finding themselves without a job in the very near future and no club prepared to sign them because of their injury.

I'm sorry Mr Hilton/White, I'll be busy in Sainsburys tomorrow afternoon and busy every day until you pay me what I'm owed.

How can they put kids out though ? they scrapped their academy and whole youth setup .

They will literally have no players soon, their race is run .

RH reporting players and staff NOT paid

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

They'll get a team out even if it's full of kids.

But if my employer hadn't paid me in these circumstances they would be told to f*ck off. Any player who plays tomorrow is in danger of getting injured (as any player is in any game) and finding themselves without a job in the very near future and no club prepared to sign them because of their injury.

I'm sorry Mr Hilton/White, I'll be busy in Sainsburys tomorrow afternoon and busy every day until you pay me what I'm owed.

They havent got any kids, they binned that off

Quoted from horsforthmariner

Suspect they will be gone within a month. I feel quite sad about this to be honest. I enjoyed them ending up in the national league and then the second relegation was hilarious. But the reality is that two terrible owners have taken a perfectly sound football club and destroyed it. It could happen to us in the future (and it nearly did in 2021). I feel like there should be some way of stopping this from happening but not sure what. It could be 20 years before we play a team from Scunny again (outside of the Lincs Cup) and frankly thats just bizarre. Feel for Fans, staff and the honest people connected with the club. They need to get a phoenix club ready to go.

A club with a wage bill 1.6x their earnings can hardly be described as well run.

The players and staff must have seen this coming. And have familys to feed and support like any worker. The club is going T**s up and the so called owner should fold and release the players so they can get something else sorted quickley. No one with half a brain cell will help them with the state they are in RIP Scunthorpe Ununited

Surely NL should step in and cancel tomorrows game - what about the safety of the Buxton players , staff and fans - will stadium security be guaranteed if they won’t be paid. SUFC results will be expunged soon anyway.

Quoted from Abdul19

Steaming in. 4/1 yesterday.

Oof.

I looked earlier in the week but wasn't anything available. Best is 31/10 with BetVictor at present.

Do you get a refund if the match isn't played?

Yes, be classed as a void bet. BetVictor have just pulled the bet. Paribet (no, me neither) are still showing 31/10 but can't see it staying for long.

I’m told Whitehall has gone to York and Clunnan has gone back to his old job in a Solicitors . Wonder how many more will be gone before KO tomorrow

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Surely NL should step in and cancel tomorrows game - what about the safety of the Buxton players , staff and fans - will stadium security be guaranteed if they won’t be paid. SUFC results will be expunged soon anyway.

Can’t see the Police allowing it , no one to pay the Policing bill

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I'm in 2 minds about this...every ounce of me wants to support them and see the club survive but a go fund me page is, in some ways, letting Hilton/White get away with it.
He can walk away leaving absolute f*cking carnage behind him and the future of the club rests with hard working people putting their hands in their pockets again. And many who will contribute will have been putting their hands in their pockets to support Scunny for years.

There's also every chance right now that if you contribute to the page you are chucking good money after bad and still won't have a club to support in a month or so.

I know it's to support office staff etc but I'm torn.

There's no point, harsh as that sounds. It's literally like trying to stop a sinking ship with a teaspoon, and only delaying the inevitable.

I won't donate to this, but I will if a Phoenix club arises from the ashes.

Quoted from ginnywings

There's no point, harsh as that sounds. It's literally like trying to stop a sinking ship with a teaspoon, and only delaying the inevitable.

I won't donate to this, but I will if a Phoenix club arises from the ashes.

My understanding is that the go fund me is for the staff who have in effect just been made redundant without salary or notice. its not to save the club but help people feed their familys in the short term. having been there myself its not pleasent.

You're right Paul. I have no illusion that this will save the club, but it provides the wages needed for those who have put in a month's work, so they don't feel like they're owed and can have something to build on in the short term.

They’ve raised 12 k already

Quoted from It Bites

They’ve raised 12 k already

Absolute drop in the ocean when they put a statement out recently saying their monthly top line for wages is £130,000 a month.

Should help non-footballing staff this month but I’m not sure if it’s now too much to do in too short a time.

Hilton strikes me as an extremely small-time thug, bully & conman - the likes of which you regularly come across in “property” circles - and I’d be surprised if his shiny bonce is ever spotted this side of Donny services again.

Quoted from It Bites

They’ve raised 12 k already

It's not going to go far though is it - all the admin staff would be due redundancy payments. If the game does go ahead tomorrow there will be some cash coming in but HMRC alone are owed way more then the assets if the £130k figure is right.

Quoted from ska face

Absolute drop in the ocean when they put a statement out recently saying their monthly top line for wages is £130,000 a month.

Should help non-footballing staff this month but I’m not sure if it’s now too much to do in too short a time.

Hilton strikes me as an extremely small-time thug, bully & conman - the likes of which you regularly come across in “property” circles - and I’d be surprised if his shiny bonce is ever spotted this side of Donny services again.

He said something along the lines of the wage budget used to be £180k, but 50% of it was for non-playing. Now it's £130k, but 80% of it is related to the playing side. Whether he was talking people or money, I don't know, but the non-playing wages could amount to £26k.

It's clear that these bans were all to prevent those capable of gathering a group of followers from protesting this outcome tomorrow. And it's also clear that the board statement yesterday was breaking everyone in gently for today.

I’m fuckin fuming with all these simpletons up the road …..

We can still get promoted
We’ve still got a decent squad
The players will do it for the fans
The manager will do it for the fans
Hilton just didn’t realise the extent of the problem
Hilton gave it his best shot
Herbert is united through and through
We’ll still take 2k to Gainsborough

Just some of the quotes from today . Thick as 2 short planks

Quoted from It Bites

I’m fuckin fuming with all these simpletons up the road …..

We can still get promoted
We’ve still got a decent squad
The players will do it for the fans
The manager will do it for the fans
Hilton just didn’t realise the extent of the problem
Hilton gave it his best shot
Herbert is united through and through
We’ll still take 2k to Gainsborough

Just some of the quotes from today . Thick as 2 short planks

They won't be taking 2k to Gainsborough because they won't be going to Gainsborough.

Quoted from It Bites

I’m fuckin fuming with all these simpletons up the road …..

We can still get promoted
We’ve still got a decent squad
The players will do it for the fans
The manager will do it for the fans
Hilton just didn’t realise the extent of the problem
Hilton gave it his best shot
Herbert is united through and through
We’ll still take 2k to Gainsborough

Just some of the quotes from today . Thick as 2 short planks

Herbert hasn't uttered a word on that Facebook group today!

Stockwood slinging £500 into the pot…

As I and others pointed out many moons ago Hilton bought a club with no assets, apart from players under contract. It was like a ticking time bomb but unfortunately many seem to have been misled. No ground and no assets, although the original information supplied inferred that this was in the package.

I do feel sorry for the genuine fans who have supported them over the years and it just shows how a well club can be turned into a disaster by others.

RIP Scunthorpe United; let a phone club rise to compete against us in the distant future.

Ignore the simpletons in that Facebook group. Outside of that, most I have seen know what Hilton is now and what an idiot his rat sidekick is.

Stockwood gives £500 to the cause .

Quoted from DB

As I and others pointed out many moons ago Hilton bought a club with no assets, apart from players under contract. It was like a ticking time bomb but unfortunately many seem to have been misled. No ground and no assets, although the original information supplied inferred that this was in the package.

I do feel sorry for the genuine fans who have supported them over the years and it just shows how a well club can be turned into a disaster by others.

RIP Scunthorpe United; let a phone club rise to compete against us in the distant future.

I think you mean Phoenix DB - but I should like to see Scunthorpe United rise up again - I worked in Scunthorpe for 2 and a half years - looking forward to competing against Scunny in a few years time - UTM
I’m sure there are plenty of intelligent enthusiastic people to revive them - including those law experts that resigned yesterday

So what's he made so far that we know of (mostly all cash in hand presumably )
Ian Sharp loaned the club around £150k in the interim period between Swann & Hilton  (I'm not sure of the exact amount ) but whether that was used to keep the club solvent before Hilton , for me is uncertain .
66×1889- £125k ticket scheme
60k was in the club account according to Swann , I'm sure Hilton disputes this so we will half it for the balance of fairness - 30k

Lets wind back to the takeover - buys club for 4 pound and pays HMRC tax bill which was a reported 130k and seemed to be verified as an initial payment ,  so he's 5 grand and 4 quid down at this point

Brings in a raft of players , trying to keep them in the NL which must have been a good whack for the last half of their conference season , but let's break down gate receipts for that final period of the conference season i will go with an average of £11 per head on the cautious side .

Barnet - 5110 - £61000
Dagenham 3782-£41000
Eastleigh - 3237-£36000
Altrincham -2545-£28000
Wealdstone -3651-£40000
Torquay-3467- £38000
Oldham- 3754-£41000
Southend- 3169-£35000

A turnover of 500k + in half a season , without F&B , hospitality or any commercial income .

Not bad right ? In a league where a number of clubs operate within that budget throughout a whole season .

We move into this season (still a ground free of rent )
5 or 6 directors jump on board paying 30k a piece (reported)
Nice , money topped up at about 650k in the bank from June onwards + there is a gray area of the EFL academy grant (this could well be a bit more as there is a crossover, a few £100k  probably ; but I will round it down to £100k )

750k turnover since the takeover , not bad and most of it's cash ; cash can get lost very easily .

Got some good players , fans are happy and that reflects in the gates (which dwarfs about 15 NL clubs , the problem (or lack of in DD's mind is they need paying a decent whack ). So the season starts again :

Peterboro sports -3380 - £37000
Darlington - 3392- £37000
Scarborough -4860 -£53000
South shields - 3477 - £38000

Another £165k + to add for the kitty
900k + in total , they also added a local catering company at this point to their matchday catering (I have completely forgotten their name) and hopefully they have been paid as it was selling out of stock every week .

So Dave what's his name more than likely had a million quid + to play with in 8 months ..... he conveniently managed to make sure only 7 paydays fell in this period (well at least that he would honour ) .

It had good cashflow and could have stabilised as an operation , the ground situation may well have come back to bite but they could have been a decent proposition to takeover with the right owmership , Mr Dave most definitely was not the right man .

He will walk away into the sunset with a bag of cash and yet another name change , with fans divided and blaming Hilton & Swann in equal measure .

Sherbet Lemon will be derided in the town he calls home , and spend the rest of his days asking himself 'was it worth it ?' .

That really is my finale on Scunthorpe Utd
As some said further up , donating wouldn't be the wise choice , as in my view until he's gone the money is in the wrong hands .

Hopefully they do reform or somehow get through whether it's realistic or not who know's .

But I do feel for them - my contradicting view of sympathy and entertainment has finished .

Hopefully 3 points at Swindon

This is really sad to watch. I'm not sure there was a stage where I took any genuine pleasure in their plight because they had underlying issues as soon as Swann began overspending in an effort to get into the Championship.

His actions were like a gambler chasing their losses.

Hilton might want to blame Swann, the fans, or whoever, but ultimately when the club dies the history books will show it happened on his watch.

Annoyingly, narcissists can live with that. Firstly, because they can't feel a fûcking thing, and secondly, because they'll probably change their name to disconnect the dots.

Can I just confirm any money donated is going straight to the staff who haven't been paid not into this bellends pocket.

Quoted from Mappers

So what's he made so far that we know of (mostly all cash in hand presumably )
Ian Sharp loaned the club around £150k in the interim period between Swann & Hilton  (I'm not sure of the exact amount ) but whether that was used to keep the club solvent before Hilton , for me is uncertain .
66×1889- £125k ticket scheme
60k was in the club account according to Swann , I'm sure Hilton disputes this so we will half it for the balance of fairness - 30k

Lets wind back to the takeover - buys club for 4 pound and pays HMRC tax bill which was a reported 130k and seemed to be verified as an initial payment ,  so he's 5 grand and 4 quid down at this point

Brings in a raft of players , trying to keep them in the NL which must have been a good whack for the last half of their conference season , but let's break down gate receipts for that final period of the conference season i will go with an average of £11 per head on the cautious side .

Barnet - 5110 - £61000
Dagenham 3782-£41000
Eastleigh - 3237-£36000
Altrincham -2545-£28000
Wealdstone -3651-£40000
Torquay-3467- £38000
Oldham- 3754-£41000
Southend- 3169-£35000

A turnover of 500k + in half a season , without F&B , hospitality or any commercial income .

Not bad right ? In a league where a number of clubs operate within that budget throughout a whole season .

We move into this season (still a ground free of rent )
5 or 6 directors jump on board paying 30k a piece (reported)
Nice , money topped up at about 650k in the bank from June onwards + there is a gray area of the EFL academy grant (this could well be a bit more as there is a crossover, a few £100k  probably ; but I will round it down to £100k )

750k turnover since the takeover , not bad and most of it's cash ; cash can get lost very easily .

Got some good players , fans are happy and that reflects in the gates (which dwarfs about 15 NL clubs , the problem (or lack of in DD's mind is they need paying a decent whack ). So the season starts again :

Peterboro sports -3380 - £37000
Darlington - 3392- £37000
Scarborough -4860 -£53000
South shields - 3477 - £38000

Another £165k + to add for the kitty
900k + in total , they also added a local catering company at this point to their matchday catering (I have completely forgotten their name) and hopefully they have been paid as it was selling out of stock every week .

So Dave what's his name more than likely had a million quid + to play with in 8 months ..... he conveniently managed to make sure only 7 paydays fell in this period (well at least that he would honour ) .

It had good cashflow and could have stabilised as an operation , the ground situation may well have come back to bite but they could have been a decent proposition to takeover with the right owmership , Mr Dave most definitely was not the right man .

He will walk away into the sunset with a bag of cash and yet another name change , with fans divided and blaming Hilton & Swann in equal measure .

Sherbet Lemon will be derided in the town he calls home , and spend the rest of his days asking himself 'was it worth it ?' .

That really is my finale on Scunthorpe Utd
As some said further up , donating wouldn't be the wise choice , as in my view until he's gone the money is in the wrong hands .

Hopefully they do reform or somehow get through whether it's realistic or not who know's .

But I do feel for them - my contradicting view of sympathy and entertainment has finished .

Hopefully 3 points at Swindon

Great, detailed analysis. Don't disagree with the logic of any of that. However, do think chucking a tenner into their cause isn't a bad thing in that at least the staff will get something to cover their bills. Hilton is a scumbag.

Quoted from lukeo

Can I just confirm any money donated is going straight to the staff who haven't been paid not into this bellends pocket.

Who you asking ?

Jimmy Dean just been on Sky - not good

Quoted from gtfc98

Great, detailed analysis. Don't disagree with the logic of any of that. However, do think chucking a tenner into their cause isn't a bad thing in that at least the staff will get something to cover their bills. Hilton is a scumbag.

Mike Parker

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Herbert hasn't uttered a word on that Facebook group today!

I believe he's been ejected from the group

Quoted from Teestogreen

Jimmy Dean just been on Sky - not good

What did he say?

“The situation is not good”

Quoted from ska face

“The situation is not good”

Understatement

Quoted from lukeo

Can I just confirm any money donated is going straight to the staff who haven't been paid not into this bellends pocket.

I genuinely want to make a donation but the thought of my money going to help Hilton in any way is holding me back even though I’ve seen Jason Stockwood has made a donation.

Quoted from aldi_01

Stockwood slinging £500 into the pot…

Shrewd move.....now they are officially a charity case it will be a tax write off 🤣

Out of all of this - I would want the previous chairman Swann and the current chairman White /Anderson / Hilton to be out of the picture completely. Then the real Scunthorpe supporters, who have a realistic vision for the future , can rebuild the club - as long as it takes. Until then - I perceive plenty of pain for this club

UTM

My big worry with this has always been that Hilton has put nothing in and is taking the season ticket money and running. Grants, left over funds etc by the analysis above seems like that’s now plausible. What a bell end Hilton is.

Is there any proof to indicate the crowd funder is legit and not just White/Hilton stealing yet more money…

Quoted from aldi_01

Is there any proof to indicate the crowd funder is legit and not just White/Hilton stealing yet more money…

It's set up by Matt Ellis, who Hilton banned from GP. So I think we can safely assume the money is going no where near Dodgy Dave.

Called it 250 pages ago in April 😆

Stockwood & Pettit both made donations, so I have too in the hope that it give the staff a buffer to pay there way and find a new job. I wish all SUFC's none playing staff all the best for the future. Liquidation can not come quick enough so a phoenix club can be formed ready for a start lower down the pyramid next season. I will not be donating anything else to SUFC staff/ex staff because I do not think it will help if the current situation just drags on.

Made a small donation myself, hope it helps.

Quoted from Mappers

So what's he made so far that we know of (mostly all cash in hand presumably )
Ian Sharp loaned the club around £150k in the interim period between Swann & Hilton  (I'm not sure of the exact amount ) but whether that was used to keep the club solvent before Hilton , for me is uncertain .
66×1889- £125k ticket scheme
60k was in the club account according to Swann , I'm sure Hilton disputes this so we will half it for the balance of fairness - 30k

Lets wind back to the takeover - buys club for 4 pound and pays HMRC tax bill which was a reported 130k and seemed to be verified as an initial payment ,  so he's 5 grand and 4 quid down at this point

Brings in a raft of players , trying to keep them in the NL which must have been a good whack for the last half of their conference season , but let's break down gate receipts for that final period of the conference season i will go with an average of £11 per head on the cautious side .

Barnet - 5110 - £61000
Dagenham 3782-£41000
Eastleigh - 3237-£36000
Altrincham -2545-£28000
Wealdstone -3651-£40000
Torquay-3467- £38000
Oldham- 3754-£41000
Southend- 3169-£35000

A turnover of 500k + in half a season , without F&B , hospitality or any commercial income .

Not bad right ? In a league where a number of clubs operate within that budget throughout a whole season .

We move into this season (still a ground free of rent )
5 or 6 directors jump on board paying 30k a piece (reported)
Nice , money topped up at about 650k in the bank from June onwards + there is a gray area of the EFL academy grant (this could well be a bit more as there is a crossover, a few £100k  probably ; but I will round it down to £100k )

750k turnover since the takeover , not bad and most of it's cash ; cash can get lost very easily .

Got some good players , fans are happy and that reflects in the gates (which dwarfs about 15 NL clubs , the problem (or lack of in DD's mind is they need paying a decent whack ). So the season starts again :

Peterboro sports -3380 - £37000
Darlington - 3392- £37000
Scarborough -4860 -£53000
South shields - 3477 - £38000

Another £165k + to add for the kitty
900k + in total , they also added a local catering company at this point to their matchday catering (I have completely forgotten their name) and hopefully they have been paid as it was selling out of stock every week .

So Dave what's his name more than likely had a million quid + to play with in 8 months ..... he conveniently managed to make sure only 7 paydays fell in this period (well at least that he would honour ) .

It had good cashflow and could have stabilised as an operation , the ground situation may well have come back to bite but they could have been a decent proposition to takeover with the right owmership , Mr Dave most definitely was not the right man .

He will walk away into the sunset with a bag of cash and yet another name change , with fans divided and blaming Hilton & Swann in equal measure .

Sherbet Lemon will be derided in the town he calls home , and spend the rest of his days asking himself 'was it worth it ?' .

That really is my finale on Scunthorpe Utd
As some said further up , donating wouldn't be the wise choice , as in my view until he's gone the money is in the wrong hands .

Hopefully they do reform or somehow get through whether it's realistic or not who know's .

But I do feel for them - my contradicting view of sympathy and entertainment has finished .

Hopefully 3 points at Swindon

They’ve run up another HMRC debt in the meantime - potentially VAT that’s not been paid. The playing squad must be top half NL budget and the Court will award Swann a proper rent for GP. Gate receipts will fall off a cliff away from GP. He’s running now because he can’t and never could fund the stadium purchase and the club can never be solvent without it - save at something like Gainsboroughs level. At the price of football bloke said last night, other clubs have survived losing their ground like Cov because of TV and sponsorship and much bigger retail sales.

Dont know if the law has changed over the last few years but anyone has been in employment for 2 yrs or more is entitled to 90 days notice of being made reduntant and can either be asked to work it or get paid for it. Plus 1 week per every full year of continuious employment or 1 1/2 weeks per year if over a certain age with a max of 20 yrs paid. The employer has to inform the government of this and can claim it from them but it is paid direct to the employee direct and the company does not see the money for obvious reasons.. Also the company cannot employ anyone for a period of 2 years to do the same job and must ask the person made redundand if the want their job back first. Now i know employment laws change from time to time and someone on here may know if it has or not changed ..

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

They’ve run up another HMRC debt in the meantime - potentially VAT that’s not been paid. The playing squad must be top half NL budget and the Court will award Swann a proper rent for GP. Gate receipts will fall off a cliff away from GP. He’s running now because he can’t and never could fund the stadium purchase and the club can never be solvent without it - save at something like Gainsboroughs level. At the price of football bloke said last night, other clubs have survived losing their ground like Cov because of TV and sponsorship and much bigger retail sales.

Pension contributions to -  I forgot that , he just hasn't bothered .

The rent on GP  will be backdated aswell probably .

The HMRC debt is interesting as I assume he paid the minimum requirement up front ( I have no clue what the whole debt is) but they love installment plans don't they so It could be much larger .

But  he knew he could never fund the stadium purchase , he never intended to , just to make a few quid in his own style .

That's what worries me about the donations and goodwill-  people with good morals , care , heart and kindness are all going to step up to the plate .

They are all directly opposing to Mr Davids  compass ; just ask some of the small business owners , tenants and Nottingham City Council .

The money can't go to the club in it's current form , it somehow needs to make it through to those it's owing .

Interesting article here by Robbie Savage, which mentions Scunny in passing, and highlights the massive costs of running a football club nowadays, even one in the 7th tier.

This is why I cut our owners some slack when fans are demanding we go out and spend big on players.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/sport/football/frightening-costs-and-desperate-failures-prove-clubs-need-biggest-development-since-bosman/ar-AA1hsisp?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8a32468f9509445693619bb64ac74044&ei=126#image=1

https://www.instagram.com/reel/CxyN14fL2OG/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

Thomas Turgoose on Scunny

Quoted from Mappers

So what's he made so far that we know of (mostly all cash in hand presumably )
Ian Sharp loaned the club around £150k in the interim period between Swann & Hilton  (I'm not sure of the exact amount ) but whether that was used to keep the club solvent before Hilton , for me is uncertain .
66×1889- £125k ticket scheme
60k was in the club account according to Swann , I'm sure Hilton disputes this so we will half it for the balance of fairness - 30k

Lets wind back to the takeover - buys club for 4 pound and pays HMRC tax bill which was a reported 130k and seemed to be verified as an initial payment ,  so he's 5 grand and 4 quid down at this point

Brings in a raft of players , trying to keep them in the NL which must have been a good whack for the last half of their conference season , but let's break down gate receipts for that final period of the conference season i will go with an average of £11 per head on the cautious side .

Barnet - 5110 - £61000
Dagenham 3782-£41000
Eastleigh - 3237-£36000
Altrincham -2545-£28000
Wealdstone -3651-£40000
Torquay-3467- £38000
Oldham- 3754-£41000
Southend- 3169-£35000

A turnover of 500k + in half a season , without F&B , hospitality or any commercial income .

Not bad right ? In a league where a number of clubs operate within that budget throughout a whole season .

We move into this season (still a ground free of rent )
5 or 6 directors jump on board paying 30k a piece (reported)
Nice , money topped up at about 650k in the bank from June onwards + there is a gray area of the EFL academy grant (this could well be a bit more as there is a crossover, a few £100k  probably ; but I will round it down to £100k )

750k turnover since the takeover , not bad and most of it's cash ; cash can get lost very easily .

Got some good players , fans are happy and that reflects in the gates (which dwarfs about 15 NL clubs , the problem (or lack of in DD's mind is they need paying a decent whack ). So the season starts again :

Peterboro sports -3380 - £37000
Darlington - 3392- £37000
Scarborough -4860 -£53000
South shields - 3477 - £38000

Another £165k + to add for the kitty
900k + in total , they also added a local catering company at this point to their matchday catering (I have completely forgotten their name) and hopefully they have been paid as it was selling out of stock every week .

So Dave what's his name more than likely had a million quid + to play with in 8 months ..... he conveniently managed to make sure only 7 paydays fell in this period (well at least that he would honour ) .

It had good cashflow and could have stabilised as an operation , the ground situation may well have come back to bite but they could have been a decent proposition to takeover with the right owmership , Mr Dave most definitely was not the right man .

He will walk away into the sunset with a bag of cash and yet another name change , with fans divided and blaming Hilton & Swann in equal measure .

Sherbet Lemon will be derided in the town he calls home , and spend the rest of his days asking himself 'was it worth it ?' .

That really is my finale on Scunthorpe Utd
As some said further up , donating wouldn't be the wise choice , as in my view until he's gone the money is in the wrong hands .

Hopefully they do reform or somehow get through whether it's realistic or not who know's .

But I do feel for them - my contradicting view of sympathy and entertainment has finished .

Hopefully 3 points at Swindon

Thanks for the lesson in how to scam a football club in distress 🤣

I'm just wondering if employees such as stewards, turnstile operators etc. will turn up at GP today, bearing in mind that they are unlikely to get paid!

Seems like the response has been magnificent and should the staff actually not get officially paid there is a bit of a safety net for them.

I’m certain none of the crowdfunded will find its way to Hilton. The PFA will pay the players too, so this is for the other staff who have all been shafted by an absolute crook.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

I’m certain none of the crowdfunded will find its way to Hilton. The PFA will pay the players too, so this is for the other staff who have all been shafted by an absolute crook.

In a roundabout way the money will make its way to Hilton though, won’t it? He has failed to pay the staff and players, the crowdfund pays the staff, PFA pay the players, Hilton is now not £90k (or whatever the value is) out of pocket. Whichever way you look at it Hilton’s bank account is better off than it would have been had he paid like he, ahem, claimed he was committing to.

For how long will the PFA pay the players wages? Seems unfair on the other clubs for the PFA to be subsiding an unrealistic salary level.

See how easy if is to get others to pay his bills for him. Bet he is laughing all the way to the bank.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

I’m certain none of the crowdfunded will find its way to Hilton. The PFA will pay the players too, so this is for the other staff who have all been shafted by an absolute crook.

Why would the PFA pay the players? The PFA only represents players in the PL & EFL.

"It's behind you" if Scunny end up playing at Gainsborough 8)

Quoted from denni266

See how easy if is to get others to pay his bills for him. Bet he is laughing all the way to the bank.

This has always been his intention, in my opinion. He bought the actual club for £3 or £4 with an agreement to buy the ground, he intended to fund this with the 1899 membership. I'm unclear as to whether the ground was to be owned by the 1899 saps who had parted with £1899 or whether they just got a share in the company that owned the ground. He had to ditch that idea when only 60 odd people signed up and then came up with some bullshit about parcels of land not being registered properly. If he ever had any intention of buying Glanford Park then why did he come up with a contingency plan of playing at Gainsborough. He got rid of the academy after the FA funding was reduced and he would have to fund part of it himself. It turns out he hasn't paid off the debts he said he has (allegedly) resulting in CCJ's and winding up orders. He also hasn't paid the staff for two months and has now reneged on paying the players the inflated wages that he agreed to pay them because the wage bill is running at 160% of the gate receipts. Then there were schemes and promises to build a new ground in two years, even going to the extent of saying the club had acquired the land, which it hadn't.

If you ask me he never had the money to do anything and his whole plan was dependant on obtaining Glanford Park and the land it stands on but getting somebody else to pay for it. When this didn't happen he used his exit strategy of saying that the fans were bullying him on social media.

I feel for the Scunny fans and I know a few. They lapped up everything he said because he wasn't Swann, and he conned them, in my opinion.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

Why would the PFA pay the players? The PFA only represents players in the PL & EFL.

If the players are able to join their union then they’ll get paid by it. I’m pretty sure as long as you are a FT pro this is the case.

Con artists like him deserve to rot in jail , i genuinly feel for scunny fans & i get the rivalry but this is about potentially been no club at all for the fans , just hope someone comes to the rescue & hilton or whatever he's called gets his just deserts

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

If the players are able to join their union then they’ll get paid by it. I’m pretty sure as long as you are a FT pro this is the case.

The PFA is not officially responsible for players outside English football's top four divisions but nearly four out of five players in the National League have been PFA members earlier in their careers, either as full-time professionals or scholars in English Football League or Premier League academies.

The problem is the crowdfunder is just delaying the inevitable. If I was a Scunny fan I’d be saving my money and investing it in a phoenix club.

I think the right thing to do here is not donate to anything that is helping insert name here -------------.. But to wait and donate when a pheonix club is being set up. That way you know exactly where it is going.. I do not dispute that those that have set up the crown funding are only fighting to save their club just as we would have done , Its good too help out but its just helping whats his name this week

The fund has been set up by Iron Bru and is for non-playing staff who likely to get absolutely nothing when the club folds. 4Names won’t get his hands on any of it.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

If the players are able to join their union then they’ll get paid by it. I’m pretty sure as long as you are a FT pro this is the case.

Nope. Not the case at all.

Quoted from Teestogreen

Buxton 2-0 up

Good, any sign of rain ?

Hope we all lumped on.

3-0 up - don’t think rain will save them this time - good for Buxton

Easy Enough chances to win the game

Maybe those who said they would walk that League at the beginning of the season, might have to think again.

Genius post, Bear….

Finished 0-3 in what could well be the last ever game at Glumford Park, and possibly the last SUFC ever. If so a suitably funereal ending to a dreadful series of events.

I wonder if there was any kind of protest at the end.

Quoted from RonMariner

I wonder if there was any kind of protest at the end.

There was a pitch invasion with flares towards the end.

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;D

Excellent.

I suspect though that this result, like the other 9 involving Scunthorpe this season will end up being wiped.

Is there any point in playing Scunny when your points will be expunged?

Quoted from DB

Is there any point in playing Scunny when your points will be expunged?

No, but clubs have no choice but to carry on fulfilling their fixtures against them until they get booted out of the NLN. Unless of course a new saviour turns up. Better hurry though.

Here’s my 1st of October 2023 prediction
Once Scunthorpe vacate glamford park and the stadium is secured there will be an unfortunate electrical fault resulting in a devastating fire.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Here’s my 1st of October 2023 prediction
Once Scunthorpe vacate glamford park and the stadium is secured there will be an unfortunate electrical fault resulting in a devastating fire.

Crusty old pie, our very own Mystic Meg...

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Here’s my 1st of October 2023 prediction
Once Scunthorpe vacate glamford park and the stadium is secured there will be an unfortunate electrical fault resulting in a devastating fire.

Causing tens of thousands of pounds of improvements.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Here’s my 1st of October 2023 prediction
Once Scunthorpe vacate glamford park and the stadium is secured there will be an unfortunate electrical fault resulting in a devastating fire.

I'm buggered if I can find any odds on Bet365 but I'll keep my eye on it.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

I'm buggered if I can find any odds on Bet365 but I'll keep my eye on it.

Might be under specials on bet365 next to strictly come dancing

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In a roundabout way the money will make its way to Hilton though, won’t it? He has failed to pay the staff and players, the crowdfund pays the staff, PFA pay the players, Hilton is now not £90k (or whatever the value is) out of pocket. Whichever way you look at it Hilton’s bank account is better off than it would have been had he paid like he, ahem, claimed he was committing to.

The crowd funder is completely separate from the club. If the crowd funder pays the staff hilton and scunny United are still morally and legally obliged to pay the staff they're wages. Weather the club or hilton have the money to pay them is a separate issue

Quoted from horsforthmariner

The problem is the crowdfunder is just delaying the inevitable. If I was a Scunny fan I’d be saving my money and investing it in a phoenix club.

The money isn't going to the club though so it's irrelevant.

Quoted from RonMariner

No, but clubs have no choice but to carry on fulfilling their fixtures against them until they get booted out of the NLN. Unless of course a new saviour turns up. Better hurry though.

Never know, another Poundshop Sheikh might just turn up.

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The money isn't going to the club though so it's irrelevant.

I’m a Town fan who has been going to watch the mariners for over 40 years and generations of my family much longer and have watched the Scunny demise develop over the last few years and had a few laughs about it.
They are now in a situation that to all football club supporters is heartbreaking and they are now seeing their club on the verge of going out of business thanks to the two previous owners screwing them big time, we were lucky we didn’t end up in their position with Fenty and May. I don’t want to see them going bust and have donated to the fund they have set up to pay the staff wages. We’ve all had a good laugh at their expense but I think it’s time to let them try to sort their huge problems out and reflect on how lucky as a club we actually are. UTM

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3-0 up - don’t think rain will save them this time - good for Buxton

Not really. They’ve beaten Scunthorpe twice and the result will probably be expunged in a couple of weeks.

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Please shut down and restart.

Soon be more pages then they have fans!

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Classic 😄 gold star from me.

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Not really. They’ve beaten Scunthorpe twice and the result will probably be expunged in a couple of weeks.

Fair enough - you are probably right - any chance of Buxton getting a share of both gate receipts?

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Soon be more pages then they have fans!

Their new home end should sort them out quite nicely then

Quoted from Teestogreen

Fair enough - you are probably right - any chance of Buxton getting a share of both gate receipts?

Doubt it, that will possibly go in someone's back pocket.

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Their new home end should sort them out quite nicely then

And still wouldn't fill it ;)

Scunny fans organising a final peaceful protest walk to glumford park
Sat 7th Oct.
Any fan from any club welcome to join them.
( Bring your flags and colours )
That could be interesting 😆

Looking likely a takeover is imminent. Local consortium. The ground will still be a stumbling block though . Be interesting to see what mess Hilton left it in

Quoted from It Bites

Looking likely a takeover is imminent. Local consortium. The ground will still be a stumbling block though . Be interesting to see what mess Hilton left it in

where's that info coming from?

Quoted from It Bites

Looking likely a takeover is imminent. Local consortium. The ground will still be a stumbling block though . Be interesting to see what mess Hilton left it in

I always thought Simon Elliott and co would get their hands on the club eventually, even when they pulled out of the running before Hilton came in.

Whilst resurrecting a deal of some sorts for GP would be ideal, the club can still survive in some guise without it. I'm sure there is a covenant that states Glanford Park must be used for sporting purposes, so it's value is basically nothing anyway.

Quoted from It Bites

Looking likely a takeover is imminent. Local consortium. The ground will still be a stumbling block though . Be interesting to see what mess Hilton left it in

Really ? Says who , I know a couple of people ‘in the know’ at Scunthorpe and they know nothing about that .

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I always thought Simon Elliott and co would get their hands on the club eventually, even when they pulled out of the running before Hilton came in.

Whilst resurrecting a deal of some sorts for GP would be ideal, the club can still survive in some guise without it. I'm sure there is a covenant that states Glanford Park must be used for sporting purposes, so it's value is basically nothing anyway.

I don’t think there is a covenant , I think thats a red herring

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I don’t think there is a covenant , I think thats a red herring

So , I decided to purchase the title deeds to check and whilst they are a tad confusing it seems to suggest that there is a covenant from 1988 saying the land must be used as a sports stadium but it seems to be just for that sale rather than ‘forever’ . There were a few restrictions because the vendors still owned the surrounding land and were obviously covering their backs

The problem is the wages cost of the playing squad, CCJs and HMRC debt will soak up a lot of cash that would better put into securing GP. That’s why I’d expected a phoenix to be a more viable long term option. Saving the club plc but not getting the ground probably just prolongs the death.

Quoted from MidnightMariner

Scunny fans organising a final peaceful protest walk to glumford park
Sat 7th Oct.
Any fan from any club welcome to join them.
( Bring your flags and colours )
That could be interesting 😆

Anyone going ? I’m not feck em

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Anyone going ? I’m not feck em

Nah, it’s their funeral, let them get on with it.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Anyone going ? I’m not feck em

I sympathise to a certain extent. Hell, I’d even chuck a tenner in for a phoenix club. But I’ll be bugggered if I’m walking hand in hand to Glumford Park with them !!
UTM

Out of interest, where is this walk from?

Even the walk seems a bit tinpot, from the Berkeley Circle to the ground ...only a few hundred yards ??
The site of "The Old Showground" to Glanford Park would be more symbolic.
Hey-ho.
I wonder if the support will finally unite at this event and realise Mr Wham is the enemy. Looking at the latest matchday vlog there were plenty of boo's to be heard when the little pitch protest occurred and derogatory remarks at the protesters.

Quoted from Teestogreen

3-0 up - don’t think rain will save them this time - good for Buxton

Whatever you think of them, they were a bit unlucky with their third, a penalty 12 minutes in.

Fine commentary from the Buxton fan over those highlights! His insights, objectivity, and subtle wit are a true delight! He even spotted that was definitely a penalty for a foul at least two feet outside the box!
Seriously though, what a toxic atmosphere towards the end there with the pitch invasion after the penalty. I do feel bad for the genuine Scunthorpe fans and staff who care about their club just as much as we care about ours. I don't know if they can ever find their way back to the football league, but I do sincerely hope they find a way to survive.

The fact people booed a protest probably tells you all you need to know about some alleged Scunny fans…that said, we know all about morons supporting a megalomaniac awful owner…

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The fact people booed a protest probably tells you all you need to know about some alleged Scunny fans…that said, we know all about morons supporting a megalomaniac awful owner…

Isle of Axholme syndrome.

(Apologies if I've used this joke before)

Quoted from moosey_club

Even the walk seems a bit tinpot, from the Berkeley Circle to the ground ...only a few hundred yards ??
The site of "The Old Showground" to Glanford Park would be more symbolic.
Hey-ho.
I wonder if the support will finally unite at this event and realise Mr Wham is the enemy. Looking at the latest matchday vlog there were plenty of boo's to be heard when the little pitch protest occurred and derogatory remarks at the protesters.

Walking from the old ground to the new is much too far for the average Scunny fan. The oxygen tanks get very heavy after a while, the mobility scooters don`t have the range, the morbidly obese are in danger of having a heart attack and those extra toes chafe on the shoes. And remember, for many of them the ankle tag only lets them go so far.

They`d get a bigger turnout if it finished at Greggs.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Out of interest, where is this walk from?

From Glumford Park to Woodland's Cemetery.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

Walking from the old ground to the new is much too far for the average Scunny fan. The oxygen tanks get very heavy after a while, the mobility scooters don`t have the range, the morbidly obese are in danger of having a heart attack and those extra toes chafe on the shoes.

They`d get a bigger turnout if it finished at Greggs.

They could always move quick enough when Town trotted them over the Berkeley Roundabout.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

They could always move quick enough when Town trotted them over the Berkeley Roundabout.

Like an Italian tank; 1 forward gear, 4 reverse gears.

It wasn't really a protest though was it? It was just some pre-pubescent morons running on with their faces covered, turning straight back as soon as they reached the middle of the pitch.

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This lad seems to be confident that something is happening in about half-an-hour.

Beyond confusion now, especially if it's a localish consortium that's 'rescuing' them. Few whispers that it involves Simon Elliott and Roj Rahman, both of whom were appointed to the board by Hilton. Elliott was the one who vouched for Hilton in the first place.

Just an utter, utter mess.

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This lad seems to be confident that something is happening in about half-an-hour.

Beyond confusion now, especially if it's a localish consortium that's 'rescuing' them. Few whispers that it involves Simon Elliott and Roj Rahman, both of whom were appointed to the board by Hilton. Elliott was the one who vouched for Elliott in the first place.

Just an utter, utter mess.

Doesn't seem that weird. It would be extremely odd if he came in and said "I'm a right charlatan, I wouldn't trust me as far as I could throw me".

September 1968
Scunthorpe lost 6-1 at home to Arsenal in the League Cup. Only time they have met.

I walked from the Berkeley to The Old Show Ground and back.
How times have changed

Quoted from diehardmariner

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This lad seems to be confident that something is happening in about half-an-hour.

Beyond confusion now, especially if it's a localish consortium that's 'rescuing' them. Few whispers that it involves Simon Elliott and Roj Rahman, both of whom were appointed to the board by Hilton. Elliott was the one who vouched for Elliott in the first place.

Just an utter, utter mess.

Elliott hasn't said a peep since loudly declaring he had seen proof of funds.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

September 1968
Scunthorpe lost 6-1 at home to Arsenal in the League Cup. Only time they have met.

I walked from the Berkeley to The Old Show Ground and back.
How times have changed

They haven't changed that much, they still get thumped at home.

I have heard that the takeover won't involve Simon Elliott.

People on here have bemoaned the unity walk, but it's one of the things which has led to a unified fanbase. Which has been one of the more positive aspects of the last week or so. A walk from Siansburys to Glanford Park would have been a great idea, but I am not sure if Sainsburys would have welcomed a mass of people outside their store. I know the organisers have been in touch with local businesses and the police and the location was based on this. Others are planning their own march from the Honest Lawyer to then join with the group at Berkeley for the march.

As for the 'protest'. I think a lot of the confusion and anger was based on the fact no-one knew what they were protesting about. The owner? The FA for their unfit fit and proper person's test? They just ran on, launched some smoke bombs and walked off in a matter of minutes. If it was coordinated better, and everyone knew what was going on, it might have been less divisive. Stupidest protest I have seen. These kids were chanting Hilton's name only a week or so ago, so it would have been nice if they made their motives clearer. Bring a banner, even if crude. Chant, anything. None of that happened. That said, I don't think the anger was proportionate. They were just kids expressing their frustrations in a poorly thought out way.

Quoted from mariner91

Doesn't seem that weird. It would be extremely odd if he came in and said "I'm a right charlatan, I wouldn't trust me as far as I could throw me".

Definitely didn't have enough coffee before that post! ;D

Amended.

Sounds promising for them , hopefully it happens - you would suggest there needs to be some serious stroking of Swanns ego if they are to survive at GP .

Hoping that them and Southend survive and live within their means which undoubtedly will mean a lower standard of football than some fans will expect , but no more turmoil .

They say now 'we just want a club ' but it will be interesting to see if in a couple of years time the fanbases are still happy with that after bobbing around the NL or the regional leagues .

Ditto The Mighty Mariners and League Two

Quoted from 1mickylyons

They could always move quick enough when Town trotted them over the Berkeley Roundabout.

Mad miffy after the Chesterfield game?!?

I wonder if there'll be a club to return to in six weeks time.

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Best wishes to the guy, that looks very uncomfortable

His lad apparently donated his birthday money to the Crowd Funder to pay the staff wages too.

It's some weird circle of the dad giving the son money for his birthday only for the son to give it back, in a fashion, to the dad via his wages. Sums up the situation at the minute but nevertheless a great gesture.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

I have heard that the takeover won't involve Simon Elliott.

People on here have bemoaned the unity walk, but it's one of the things which has led to a unified fanbase. Which has been one of the more positive aspects of the last week or so. A walk from Siansburys to Glanford Park would have been a great idea, but I am not sure if Sainsburys would have welcomed a mass of people outside their store. I know the organisers have been in touch with local businesses and the police and the location was based on this. Others are planning their own march from the Honest Lawyer to then join with the group at Berkeley for the march.

As for the 'protest'. I think a lot of the confusion and anger was based on the fact no-one knew what they were protesting about. The owner? The FA for their unfit fit and proper person's test? They just ran on, launched some smoke bombs and walked off in a matter of minutes. If it was coordinated better, and everyone knew what was going on, it might have been less divisive. Stupidest protest I have seen. These kids were chanting Hilton's name only a week or so ago, so it would have been nice if they made their motives clearer. Bring a banner, even if crude. Chant, anything. None of that happened. That said, I don't think the anger was proportionate. They were just kids expressing their frustrations in a poorly thought out way.

Appreciate all that but I think it sums up what we are seeing from the outside....your support just hasn't seemed fussed to what we could all see developing .

Walk Committee meeting minutes,
Chairman..." order order, right , we have to face facts , this could easily be our last ever game in Scunthorpe , never mind G.P, we can't take this lying down, we have to show defiance, make a stand, let the world know the gravity of this situation, has to big"
Chairman's brother/son/nephew , " how about we start at the steelworks , get a specially commissioned Scunny steel chain ala our Unity emblem and carry that to GP via the old showground...stop traffic etc"
Chairman.."jeez lad I am not that fussed, How about the roundabout just up from G.P where I normally park outside the shops?"
Chairman's wife/sister/ cousin " seconded"

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I wonder if there'll be a club to return to in six weeks time.

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The Fonz is looking rough nowadays....Heyyyyyy 👍

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The Fonz is looking rough nowadays....Heyyyyyy 👍

I think he’s just proving he’s not from Lincoln 😉

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I wonder if there'll be a club to return to in six weeks time.

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Even with two missing vertebrae, poor Jimmy D still isn’t the most spineless man in Scuntsthorpe.

Hand it to Jimmy Dean,first whiff of not getting paid gets a sick note.

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This lad seems to be confident that something is happening in about half-an-hour.

Beyond confusion now, especially if it's a localish consortium that's 'rescuing' them. Few whispers that it involves Simon Elliott and Roj Rahman, both of whom were appointed to the board by Hilton. Elliott was the one who vouched for Hilton in the first place.

Just an utter, utter mess.

I thought might be interesting but seems to have died a death, but then it was from a Reach Group reporter. Say no more.

Quoted from moosey_club

Hand it to Jimmy Dean,first whiff of not getting paid gets a sick note.

To be fair to the guy, heard some of his first interviews when he took the Scunny job and thought he was out of his depth as a manager as he talked bullocks and he was a mate of Hilton. Listened to his interview on RH last week and he actually talked like he knew what he was doing, he has been screwed big time by Hilton and then to suffer the spinal injury he had i genuinely feel sorry for the guy, I’ve suffered with back problems for years so know how it feels. UTM

Quoted from DB

I thought might be interesting but seems to have died a death, but then it was from a Reach Group reporter. Say no more.

If it's anything like the telegraph reporting then they've probably read the rumour on The Fishy!

Poor guy. What an awful injury.

Christ on a bike, what next in this saga? As if things couldn’t get any worse they now lose their manager.

anybody know if the players & staff have been paid yet?

Quoted from forza ivano

anybody know if the players & staff have been paid yet?

I was talking to a Scunny fan last night who knows James Moody, who did the poignant pre-match speech on Saturday, and they hadn't been paid by last night.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I was talking to a Scunny fan last night who knows James Moody, who did the poignant pre-match speech on Saturday, and they hadn't been paid by last night.

What’s the first thing that the National League do in that situation, is it a points deduction?

Quoted from Heisenberg

What’s the first thing that the National League do in that situation, is it a points deduction?

No bury their heads in the sand

Quoted from Heisenberg

What’s the first thing that the National League do in that situation, is it a points deduction?

Didn’t Southend get a 10 point deduction earlier this season due to non payments of wages? If so then I would assume it would be the same for the scunts

The Herbert parody account on twitter is keeping me amused

Quoted from Titty

The Herbert parody account on twitter is keeping me amused

link please?

Takeover is apparently completed……

Takeover completed. Honest about the work ahead, a sycophantic goodbye and basically they’ve clearly just told Hilton to intercourse off and don’t come back…

Quoted from Marinerdan

Takeover is apparently completed……

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/october/club-statement/

sounds like good news

And they’re selling tickets for the home game on October 24th so looks like they may have done a deal with Swann to stay at GP

Quoted from forza ivano

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/october/club-statement/

sounds like good news

That's what they said about Hilton.

So there’s no mention of any potential sources of funding and all they’ve done is bought it off Hilton for what he paid and nothing more, so £3 wasn’t the figure? (or have I mixed that up with the rent?). She’s clearly a well respected business woman in Scunthorpe so I can’t see her being too bothered about making the tough decisions and I can’t see Swann wanting a peppercorn rent either, maybe not at the reputed £20k per month but still something substantial. So I’m seeing that the days of paying over the odds for a playing staff will be numbered to reduce outgoings, improved gates may help to cover some of these costs though. My gut feeling is a well run (was going to say better but that’s a really low bar so I will be positive for them!) club but outgoings will need to be slashed before the start of next season so if they don’t get promoted they’ll possibly hang about there for a few years. If they do get promoted there will be little improvement in income streams as you can’t put £4 on per ticket really so the budget will be commensurate with National League but will it be good enough to go up again. So all is rosy with regards to having a saved and sustainable club but will the locals be happy with having to consolidate in NLN or NL for several years in order to sustain sustainability.

That said, and rivalries apart, glad they seem to have been steadied and the fans who care and were rightfully sceptical have a team to watch.

But are they saved, if they have the same debt levels as a week ago, you have to hope the new owner/board has a big wad of cash under their sofa :-/

Proving that about 375 pages of this thread were utter tosh ;D ;D

Quoted from forza ivano

link please?

Herbylovesdave the twitter handle

It’s a very low key and short statement, they are selling tickets for GP on 24/10 so they must have done a deal on the ground . It’s not even mentioned in the statement

Great news - local ownership, expect some very tough decisions ahead with all the CCJs and HMRC to settle. See what happens with GP as well. Swann has only so much room to manoeuvre on price - because of Coolsilk debt. Maybe a leasing deal will be done to give SUFC time to raise funds to buy it back.

Quoted from supertown

It’s a very low key and short statement, they are selling tickets for GP on 24/10 so they must have done a deal on the ground . It’s not even mentioned in the statement

Its been reported that they are looking to a deal to remain there. Presumably in the form of an exorbitant rent; probably better overall financials than playing at Gainsborough, regardless.

They will just be playing at a lower level of football for a good while  , while paying off the debts ,like anyone running it properly would have done in January .

How long that's acceptable to their fans for is what will be interesting , let's face it  a good few of us are tetchy about not progressing in league 2 ; how long just 'having a club' kicking around the lower reaches of the NL or top end of NLN until they want progress ?

Seems like Swann will help them on the ground front though , but again it won't come cheap will it,  however long he is willing to take the money over .

They have a long road ahead.

Will the whip round cash be reimbursed now then ? 🤣

Let's see what pops up next then for them.....one chapter ends.... another one begins.

Quoted from Dodorondon

Proving that about 375 pages of this thread were utter tosh ;D ;D

Not all of it …………..

Its really good news for them, I mean the club is clearly not saved, but it's a massive step forward for them to move on from the previous owner. At least they can start to try and get back to a form of normality now even if the uncertainty remains.

Quoted from Dodorondon

Proving that about 375 pages of this thread were utter tosh ;D ;D

Parts of this thread are one of the reasons they have a chance of survival .

They are not gone Ron

Quoted from moosey_club

Will the whip round cash be reimbursed now then ? 🤣

Let's see what pops up next then for them.....one chapter ends.... another one begins.

No, but presumably it can now go into the club bank account given that it's in the hands of someone trustworthy and it will help pay things that are owing, such as September wages. One thing it did do was show supporter sentiment.

In the face of it, it seems great that the club is now the hands of people who appear to have good intentions, but this has all happened over a period of a few days so what due diligence has been carried out by the relevant authorities?

Michelle was Commercial Manager for 15 years. It's the equivalent of us being taken over by Dave Smith!

First task has to be to strike a deal with Swann, and then to start getting the finances under control. I suspect that a few high earners will have their names circulated very soon, in the hope of someone taking over their contract.

Presume Michelle Harness is just a front woman for the consortium.

Be interesting to see what deal they have/can work with Swann.

So relieved. Harness is one of several involved, I believe. More will become clear, I think. Harness has years of commercial expertise and is well liked, plus was on speaking terms with Hilton. I think they have been coy about others involved, so Hilton didn't start pulling tricks and trying to fall out with people.

I also believe that Swann is working with them on the ground. I know Elliott has been working with Harness, and has a frosty history with Swann, but I think Swann realises he screwed up for himself and is now willing to work with anyone. He will probably be motivated to get one over Hilton as well. People I know with 'in the know' information has it that Swann hates Hilton as much as Hilton sceptical Scunny fans do.

Quoted from Lee Hodges Burger

So relieved. Harness is one of several involved, I believe. More will become clear, I think. Harness has years of commercial expertise and is well liked, plus was on speaking terms with Hilton. I think they have been coy about others involved, so Hilton didn't start pulling tricks and trying to fall out with people.

I also believe that Swann is working with them on the ground. I know Elliott has been working with Harness, and has a frosty history with Swann, but I think Swann realises he screwed up for himself and is now willing to work with anyone. He will probably be motivated to get one over Hilton as well. People I know with 'in the know' information has it that Swann hates Hilton as much as Hilton sceptical Scunny fans do.

Will Swann do a Lease deal do you think?

Listening to Simon Elliot you would imagine that Hilton has come out of this debacle as Mr Clean. If I was a Scunny fan I would, of course, be delighted that the club has apparently been saved. However I would still have some clear doubts as to Mr Elliot’s role in it all, and would love to know what he knew about Hilton before The Athletic’ article.

Quoted from Dodorondon

Listening to Simon Elliot you would imagine that Hilton has come out of this debacle as Mr Clean. If I was a Scunny fan I would, of course, be delighted that the club has apparently been saved. However I would still have some clear doubts as to Mr Elliot’s role in it all, and would love to know what he knew about Hilton before The Athletic’ article.

Elliott got quite aggressive when asked if the consortium had the means to pay, and Scunthorpe fans deserved to know.

Does this mean we can now go back to hating the caravan dwelling, sister banging, traveller b@stards?

UTM

I hope they get through this period but my gut feeling is this ‘takeover’ is not the end by a long way . I think the commercial lady is just a name and nothing more (no money) . They need to reduce the wage bill somehow to help balance the books and secure the ground , otherwise I still don’t see them seeing the season out

They have got Mr Wham out of the picture. That is a step in the right direction.

Quoted from supertown

I hope they get through this period but my gut feeling is this ‘takeover’ is not the end by a long way . I think the commercial lady is just a name and nothing more (no money) . They need to reduce the wage bill somehow to help balance the books and secure the ground , otherwise I still don’t see them seeing the season out

Agreed, it’s very wishy washy. It sounds very much like the Hilton “an agreement has been reached, and it includes the ground” - that was an outright lie. Not saying this woman is lying, but she’s not said any facts yet - they still don’t have a ground, and apparently their wage bill is 160% of their income. It sounds just like the Swann days but without his money bankrolling it.

No they are going to have to cut their cloth massively as I'm assuming none of them on the board are incredibly wealthy -- it will have to be some sort of long term payment plan on the ground you would have thought (or the council buying it and renting it to them ? doubtful probably )

I do have a feeling they will survive, but extremely doubtful that they will be a football league club again in the next decade .

It will be interesting when the firesale (release)of players occurs and they drop down the NLN table of the fans turn up in there numbers or they go back to 2-3k fans which is about their regular +1k more if in the league .

Quoted from Mappers

No they are going to have to cut their cloth massively as I'm assuming none of them on the board are incredibly wealthy -- it will have to be some sort of long term payment plan on the ground you would have thought (or the council buying it and renting it to them ? doubtful probably )

I do have a feeling they will survive, but extremely doubtful that they will be a football league club again in the next decade .

Council have already said they will help in any way …..except financially 😂

Quoted from Mappers

No they are going to have to cut their cloth massively as I'm assuming none of them on the board are incredibly wealthy -- it will have to be some sort of long term payment plan on the ground you would have thought (or the council buying it and renting it to them ? doubtful probably )

I do have a feeling they will survive, but extremely doubtful that they will be a football league club again in the next decade .

It will be interesting when the firesale (release)of players occurs and they drop down the NLN table of the fans turn up in there numbers or they go back to 2-3k fans which is about their regular +1k more if in the league .

Looking at the state of local councils all over the country I doubt N Lincs can afford to buy GP. It's most likely going to be a rental agreement with Swann. Well at least they got rid of David 5 names. What an absolute moron that guy was.

I wish them the best of luck in their survival, however, the wilderness years have begun.

Quoted from supertown

Council have already said they will help in any way …..except financially 😂

That was a great statement from NLC...." obviously we can't offer any money as that's not the councils job but if they have any paperwork, planning applications or want to know what day the blue bins get picked up we are there for them"

Quoted from ginnywings

They have got Mr Wham out of the picture. That is a step in the right direction.

Yes, one giant leap in the right direction for scunnykind.

To be fair to North Lincs Council they can be a massive help without giving the club financial support.

If they are clear they won’t grant planning permission for anything other than a football ground at the Glanford Park site it forces Swann’s hand and brings down the price he can get for it.

Quoted from male private Johnson

To be fair to North Lincs Council they can be a massive help without giving the club financial support.

If they are clear they won’t grant planning permission for anything other than a football ground at the Glanford Park site it forces Swann’s hand and brings down the price he can get for it.

I'm not sure that they can ultimately do that, there are rules around planning permission and even if they did there is an appeals process that eventually goes to the Sec of State.
Ignoring politics, the current government is also set on simplifying planning permission and making it easier to build houses so the council could be overruled.

They would need a copper bottomed reason to refuse planning permission (and make it stick) and I doubt 'we want a football club on this site' is good enough.

Good news that they are rid of 6 names,

BUT

It's going to be a long road back even !longer if the new owners have no wealth .

If I were scunnys new directors I’d be on the phone to JS and AP immediately. Sounds like they’re sticking with the squad in the Hope of instant promotion. I hope they’ve got deep pockets

Quoted from grimsby pete

Good news that they are rid of 6 names,

BUT

It's going to be a long road back even !longer if the new owners have no wealth .

He’s only got 4 Unless you know otherwise 🤨

This is a highly entertaining thread on Twitter. Respected journalist Matt Slater destroying Jason Herbert.

Tweet 1709580800906150040 will appear here...

But does anybody really believe that honest John Hilton poured away several thousands of his own money and then skipped away into the sunset. He may be a a convicted fraudster but surely not a fool, albeit a foul mouthed one. So much of this scenario does not add up. Have the police every been involved. The new board will have much to explain.

Fit and proper test seems to have got rushed through mighty quickly

I doubt it has even taken place. Anybody who has spoken since Hilton upped sticks has attempted to exonerate him. Are we to believe anybody, fraudster or not, would apparently clear a substantial amount of debt and then simply walk? Are we to believe that a fraudster John suddenly saw the error of his ways and turned into a benefactor?

I think the people are being very diplomatic about Hilton. I don't think they really mean it.

“Finding peace away from football” says it all. Why ever did he get involved in the first place?

Peace ehhh ? Not a man that looks like he’s looking for peace ?

Quoted from 140381

“Finding peace away from football” says it all. Why ever did he get involved in the first place?

Because he thought he’d get Glanford Park for next to nothing and sell the club for a whacking great profit. Nothing more.

Not the brightest light on the hill side is he

Quoted from denni266

Not the brightest light on the hill side is he

Can’t be that stupid. He’s got quite a few quid from scamming people !!
I just hope something turns up to put this vile b@stard back in prison !!

It would seem that much now depends if the buyer(s) has enough money to buy the ground. Not sure what Swann would want but if a buy out seems unlikely then surely he would hang on in the hope of a better buyer or an opportunity to develop GP. He may be willing to rent again, though at a much higher price. There are so many unknowns at the present … not least of which how much the club is still in debt.

Quoted from Dodorondon

It would seem that much now depends if the buyer(s) has enough money to buy the ground. Not sure what Swann would want but if a buy out seems unlikely then surely he would hang on in the hope of a better buyer or an opportunity to develop GP. He may be willing to rent again, though at a much higher price. There are so many unknowns at the present … not least of which how much the club is still in debt.

They’ve played a blinder to avoid a points deduction tbf

So
...
If that was their final game at G.P for the forseeable ...
Are Gainsboro going to see any monies from the STH that attend?
Presumably the cash sales from them have only gone in one person's pocket now ? Or will it just be a case of they only pay GTFC a fixed rent ?
Not over familiar with their ground but will they have enough seats to accommodate seat holder STH or will some be forced to stand now ?

Quoted from moosey_club

So
...
If that was their final game at G.P for the forseeable ...
Are Gainsboro going to see any monies from the STH that attend?
Presumably the cash sales from them have only gone in one person's pocket now ? Or will it just be a case of they only pay GTFC a fixed rent ?
Not over familiar with their ground but will they have enough seats to accommodate seat holder STH or will some be forced to stand now ?

It wasn’t, they are selling tickets for the next home game at GP.
Don’t forgot , the only reason Hilton was leaving GP before the Court case in Jan was a fear of the costs . They didn’t have to get out

Quoted from moosey_club

So
...
If that was their final game at G.P for the forseeable ...
Are Gainsboro going to see any monies from the STH that attend?
Presumably the cash sales from them have only gone in one person's pocket now ? Or will it just be a case of they only pay GTFC a fixed rent ?
Not over familiar with their ground but will they have enough seats to accommodate seat holder STH or will some be forced to stand now ?

Parking around the Gainsborough ground is a nightmare when there are 600 in attendance!

Quoted from supertown

It wasn’t, they are selling tickets for the next home game at GP.
Don’t forgot , the only reason Hilton was leaving GP before the Court case in Jan was a fear of the costs . They didn’t have to get out

I expect they will get a Lease until the end of the season. Swann won’t get possession via the Court until next spring anyway so he’s nothing to lose in giving that. Main part of the negotiations will be the rent. £10-£15k a month I’d expect. The consortium then have until next summer to raise the purchase price. Swann wants £2.5 million so I’ve heard…

The new owners are going to need deep pockets. The wage bill greatly exceeds their income, there are still unpaid debts ccj’s and winding up orders to deal with, and they have no ground.

It’s going to cost, boy is it going to cost. I suspect it will take millions to rescue the situation. Good luck folks.

Talking of costs, was reading at the weekend that Reading are around £190 million in dept, A) how do you get that deep and B) how do you ever clear it.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Talking of costs, was reading at the weekend that Reading are around £190 million in dept, A) how do you get that deep and B) how do you ever clear it.

C how do you spell debt 😬

Quoted from Gaffer58

Talking of costs, was reading at the weekend that Reading are around £190 million in dept, A) how do you get that deep and B) how do you ever clear it.

Promotion to the Premier League is said to be worth £100m, but you have to increase spending to have a semi-respectable points return.

Promotion, relegation and promotion again without increasing spending would clear it providing you were pretty much breaking even getting promoted. The fact they are £190m in debt suggests they definitely aren't and they need to get back in the Championship before consider getting to the Premier League!

The perils of having a local/fan wealthy benefactor who will underwrite all your debts, Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn Reading examples of this, bankrolled beyond their natural level by wealthy owners who drop dead leaves you up the creek.

Find new owners daft enough to take over the club and clear all debts. The lure of the Premiership riches.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Talking of costs, was reading at the weekend that Reading are around £190 million in dept, A) how do you get that deep and B) how do you ever clear it.

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I need a distraction from our own short comings , anyone got any bad news for this thread ? 😂

Fenty keen to advise on new ground?

Quoted from It Bites

I need a distraction from our own short comings , anyone got any bad news for this thread ? 😂

No but part two of the Athletic article will be a good read from what i've heard

Quoted from It Bites

I need a distraction from our own short comings , anyone got any bad news for this thread ? 😂

I don’t want any “bad” news about the future existence of the club, but they deserve some bad news on the lines of having to reduce the wage bill of the squad and then falling down the table.

The complete stupidity of some of their fan base deserves that. The Facebook group were wetting themselves about signings of players well above NLN level and storming the league, whilst it was blatantly obvious 4Names wasn’t going to buy the stadium when he said he would, wasn’t paying bills because the CCJs were flowing and was mostly talking a pack of porkies.

Apart from that I wish them well as a NLN club.

For everybody’s info GP was valued at 5.5m in 2001.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I don’t want any “bad” news about the future existence of the club, but they deserve some bad news on the lines of having to reduce the wage bill of the squad and then falling down the table.

The complete stupidity of some of their fan base deserves that. The Facebook group were wetting themselves about signings of players well above NLN level and storming the league, whilst it was blatantly obvious 4Names wasn’t going to buy the stadium when he said he would, wasn’t paying bills because the CCJs were flowing and was mostly talking a pack of porkies.

Apart from that I wish them well as a NLN club.

It's ok....as some of their fans chanted on their "Unity Stroll" last week.. "we've got our club back, we've got our club back" ..
Not sure if that was a celebratory song or a cry of desperation mind. 😀

The next raft of bad news will surely come as the wage bill is tightened and the squad is weakened as a result. For all the big signings they've made, they're not exactly ripping that league up (only 11 games in I know).

But out the cup at the first ask, shown their vulnerability in some games and the prospect of the better players needing to be offloaded. Definitely not going to be the cake walk I think a lot of their fans thought it would.

Of course offloading players at that level on expensive contracts might prove a major challenge, which in turn means something will have to be cut somewhere else.

Quoted from diehardmariner

The next raft of bad news will surely come as the wage bill is tightened and the squad is weakened as a result. For all the big signings they've made, they're not exactly ripping that league up (only 11 games in I know).

But out the cup at the first ask, shown their vulnerability in some games and the prospect of the better players needing to be offloaded. Definitely not going to be the cake walk I think a lot of their fans thought it would.

Of course offloading players at that level on expensive contracts might prove a major challenge, which in turn means something will have to be cut somewhere else.

If the players on silly contract get paid they are not going to walk, why would they

Quoted from supertown

If the players on silly contract get paid they are not going to walk, why would they

The point is that if the reports about unpaid bills and VAT are true the sums won’t add up so they will either have to have a big cash injection, which 4Names knew so he walked or offload. On top of that the Court will likely award Swann a proper rent for the stadium backdated to the date that it was supposed to be sold in the original deal. Again 4Names knew that.

On the plus side they have the town behind them so gate receipts should remain pretty buoyant.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

The point is that if the reports about unpaid bills and VAT are true the sums won’t add up so they will either have to have a big cash injection, which 4Names knew so he walked or offload. On top of that the Court will likely award Swann a proper rent for the stadium backdated to the date that it was supposed to be sold in the original deal. Again 4Names knew that.

On the plus side they have the town behind them so gate receipts should remain pretty buoyant.

I think the court case will get dropped if they successfully negotiate a deal with Swann. He can't sell the ground until February as it's been declared an Asset of Community Value and their Supporters Trust have until February to submit a bid, which Swann isn't obliged to accept.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I think the court case will get dropped if they successfully negotiate a deal with Swann. He can't sell the ground until February as it's been declared an Asset of Community Value and their Supporters Trust have until February to submit a bid, which Swann isn't obliged to accept.

I also think the Court case will get dropped because rationality will kick in (even Swann is rational I think whereas 4Names wasn’t) and the parties will negotiate a rental deal.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

I think the court case will get dropped if they successfully negotiate a deal with Swann. He can't sell the ground until February as it's been declared an Asset of Community Value and their Supporters Trust have until February to submit a bid, which Swann isn't obliged to accept.

Not got my head round this ACV . They have till 28th Feb to put a bid in but it doesn’t have to be accepted 🤷🏼‍♂️. What’s the point of it

Quoted from supertown

If the players on silly contract get paid they are not going to walk, why would they

Exactly!  Sums have been done earlier in this thread, they don't add up.  They'll have to do more cloth-cutting.

Going to very few clubs at the Conf. North level who can take those wages on.  Might be some clubs at Conference National level who can do it but are they really going to want to be paying top whack for players from the level below?

No player, as you say, is going to walk away from a paid contract so Scunny are stuck with them.  Something else will have to give from somewhere else.  Not close enough to it to know what else they can scrimp on, but I bet that their options to cost cut are limited.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I also think the Court case will get dropped because rationality will kick in (even Swann is rational I think whereas 4Names wasn’t) and the parties will negotiate a rental deal.

That’s all well and good if they can pay it , they are negative equity now without paying rent . Someone needs to bankroll them. Can’t see it happening

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

I also think the Court case will get dropped because rationality will kick in (even Swann is rational I think whereas 4Names wasn’t) and the parties will negotiate a rental deal.

Case must be dropped anyway surely. Wasn't it between Swann and Hilton , Swann challenging it because of the dodgy sub letting agreement Hilton confidently set up with himself. With Hilton gone the case wouldn't exist would it ?

Quoted from moosey_club

Case must be dropped anyway surely. Wasn't it between Swann and Hilton , Swann challenging it because of the dodgy sub letting agreement Hilton confidently set up with himself. With Hilton gone the case wouldn't exist would it ?

If it was with SUFC it will go ahead as the consortium have bought SUFC

have we had any concrete news as to
a) whether the players and staff have been paid?
b) whether players are going to have to be released?
c) whether they are deffo staying in Scunthorpe?

Quoted from moosey_club

Case must be dropped anyway surely. Wasn't it between Swann and Hilton , Swann challenging it because of the dodgy sub letting agreement Hilton confidently set up with himself. With Hilton gone the case wouldn't exist would it ?

I wonder if he still has a case against Hilton. If he agrees a deal with the club, could he then sue Hilton for the lost income at the rate he subsequently agrees with the new owners?

Quoted from forza ivano

have we had any concrete news as to
a) whether the players and staff have been paid?
b) whether players are going to have to be released?
c) whether they are deffo staying in Scunthorpe?

No, it’s all very quiet on all those fronts . The new owners seem to be the complete opposite of WHAM

Quoted from supertown

No, it’s all very quiet on all those fronts . The new owners seem to be the complete opposite of WHAM

The online ticket sales button for their next home game in 11 days has disappeared from their website, so we can assume the Swann deal isn't going as smooth as they hoped.

https://www.sufctickets.com/scunthorpeUnited/ASP/bookTickets.asp?dept=Spectators&TicketsSelectedCostCentreID={0FD86F1F-5DA2-4734-B2E1-75EA53E021C6}&clickedCostCentreLogo=true

Weirdly though, they are still selling parking spaces for that game.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The online ticket sales button for their next home game in 11 days has disappeared from their website, so we can assume the Swann deal isn't going as smooth as they hoped.

https://www.sufctickets.com/scunthorpeUnited/ASP/bookTickets.asp?dept=Spectators&TicketsSelectedCostCentreID={0FD86F1F-5DA2-4734-B2E1-75EA53E021C6}&clickedCostCentreLogo=true

Weirdly though, they are still selling parking spaces for that game.

Maybe it’s sold out

Quoted from forza ivano

have we had any concrete news as to
a) whether the players and staff have been paid?
b) whether players are going to have to be released?
c) whether they are deffo staying in Scunthorpe?

i have it from a Scunthorpe friend that the players where paid they're wages when the new consortium came in. apparently they have a plan for this months wages by injecting they're own cash. after that no one is sure what will happen. they have some money to buy the ground apparently but not quite enough. how big the shortfall is i dont know.

Quoted from paulmblythe

i have it from a Scunthorpe friend that the players where paid they're wages when the new consortium came in. apparently they have a plan for this months wages by injecting they're own cash. after that no one is sure what will happen. they have some money to buy the ground apparently but not quite enough. how big the shortfall is i dont know.

I think over £50,000 was raised via the go fund me appeal and donations so I would have expected that amount to cover at least a month of wages unless some of their players are on over priced contracts set up by WHAM before he did a runner.

Quoted from Spurn boy

I think over £50,000 was raised via the go fund me appeal and donations so I would have expected that amount to cover at least a month of wages unless some of their players are on over priced contracts set up by WHAM before he did a runner.

Where is Wham man ? Has he vanished into the sunset or is he still on twitter

Quoted from It Bites

Where is Wham man ? Has he vanished into the sunset or is he still on twitter

He's got a job with the Premier League as chair of their ethics committee

Quoted from Spurn boy

I think over £50,000 was raised via the go fund me appeal and donations so I would have expected that amount to cover at least a month of wages unless some of their players are on over priced contracts set up by WHAM before he did a runner.

The figure was £66,000 so it will pay nearly 3 weeks wages ((£23,000 a week allegedly)

Quoted from supertown

The figure was £66,000 so it will pay nearly 3 weeks wages ((£23,000 a week allegedly)

£23,000 a week for players wages for NLN team is a huge amount.

I was under the impression that the 'go fund me ( or what it's called) was for staff wages, not the players.

Quoted from DB

I was under the impression that the 'go fund me ( or what it's called) was for staff wages, not the players.

They paid the non playing staff wages and coaching team and had enough left over to pay something toward the players too I believe

Quoted from It Bites

Where is Wham man ? Has he vanished into the sunset or is he still on twitter

Never trust a bald man called David. It could be him under a different alias.

Quoted from It Bites

Where is Wham man ?

Club Tropicana. The drinks are free.

Quoted from DB

I was under the impression that the 'go fund me ( or what it's called) was for staff wages, not the players.

There was a statement somewhere on the iron bru forum i remember reading , saying they had raised 66 grand and all players and other staff would get an equal share as none of them had been paid and it was the fairest way to do it.

The new owners came in and settled the outstanding wages from September. Some people were still waiting for their August wages so the fundraiser is paying those in full. And then what is left is being split equally between all playing and non-playing staff.

Their total wage bill is £130k per month.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

The new owners came in and settled the outstanding wages from September. Some people were still waiting for their August wages so the fundraiser is paying those in full. And then what is left is being split equally between all playing and non-playing staff.

Their total wage bill is £130k per month.

130k ! They can’t survive that

Quoted from Spurn boy

I think over £50,000 was raised via the go fund me appeal and donations so I would have expected that amount to cover at least a month of wages unless some of their players are on over priced contracts set up by WHAM before he did a runner.

The money raise wasn't for the players just the staff. In fact a couple of players who hadn't been paid themselves donated to it. It's also completely separate from the staffs wages which still need paying. What I'm saying is this money was to tide them over till they actually got paid and the club won't see the donated money

SUFC have announced an agreement with Swann to play their next two home matches at GP. Their are now just five directors on the board, one of them retired.

Quoted from Dodorondon

SUFC have announced an agreement with Swann to play their next two home matches at GP. Their are now just five directors on the board, one of them retired.

Guess the squatters court case is off then

All they have to do now is find a few people willing to throw tons of money down the bottomless pit to fund the wage bill.

I’m genuinely happy for them that they can play at GP. There are still parts of their fan base that need to give their heads a wobble and really should realise Hilton didn’t do anything positive at all, in fact, he did his usual and stole money.

That says, it does seem they’re relatively safe…for now.

An announcement from Scunthorpe directors confirms they seem to have stabilised but still owe £1.2 million. Negotiations appear to have started with Swan for GP. Things look positive for them if they raise some revenue.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/october/an-update-from-the-board-of-directors/

Quoted from DB

An announcement from Scunthorpe directors confirms they seem to have stabilised but still owe £1.2 million. Negotiations appear to have started with Swan for GP. Things look positive for them if they raise some revenue.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/october/an-update-from-the-board-of-directors/

A business plan which includes "donations" as an income stream isn't really a business plan , that's a charity.
They may be on the road to recovery and for them to be rid of Hilton and maybe soon Swann should at least allow them to clearly view the finances rather than opening drawers and finding some more final demands but still think if they keep that squad as it is then it's a boom or bust approach this season.

It's almost beyond comprehension that we are a mere 5 league places from being in the same division as Scunthorpe as things stand this morning.

Nobody expects that to happen but it is a salutary reminder how quickly things can change in football.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It's almost beyond comprehension that we are a mere 5 league places from being in the same division as Scunthorpe as things stand this morning.

Nobody expects that to happen but it is a salutary reminder how quickly things can change in football.

Something the board need to be very mindful of....

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It's almost beyond comprehension that we are a mere 5 league places from being in the same division as Scunthorpe as things stand this morning.

Nobody expects that to happen but it is a salutary reminder how quickly things can change in football.

Don’t worry Mr Optimism will be on in a minute saying we coukd also be four divisions apart next season

They won't be competing with us anytime soon , i would be suprised if they go up - 1.2mil debt that our friend Mr David created in what 9 months ; I think we all know where it went .

So they have that + 2 or 3 million for the stadium -- 4 or 5 million quid ballpark in total .

The wage bill must be pretty high , you suspect they will have to cut it substantially .

Attendances are good but won't touch the sides of the mentioned above - can they make up a substantial shortfall through donations and investment ?

Time will tell , but it would take some effort.

Er, doesn't it mean they have to be promoted first before we're only 5 places above being in the same division. They may achieve that, but its certainly not guaranteed is it!

Just to put our own woes into perspective for a moment, this could be an absolute hammer blow for the town of Scunthorpe. Up to 2,000 jobs at risk as British Steel plans to close blast furnace.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67332093

British Steel is not British it is owned by China. After UK money to save jobs most probably.

Quoted from Poojah

Just to put our own woes into perspective for a moment, this could be an absolute hammer blow for the town of Scunthorpe. Up to 2,000 jobs at risk as British Steel plans to close blast furnace.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67332093

According to the BBC TV News reporter Scunthorpe is now Sunderland and Blast Furnaces produce virgin Steel. As we all know, and reported in the written article, it all happening at Scunthorpe. Blast Furnaces produce liquid IRON which is transported to another furnace to be made into steel.

It really shows the quality of the TV reporters the BBC now have after their reshuffle.

Whilst it appears to have gone rather quiet with our neighbours since WHAM left , I don’t think they are out of the woods by any means . I’m reliably informed an ex owner paid last months wage bill . It’s just far less public nowadays

All goes quiet when the team are doing well.....

Quoted from moosey_club

All goes quiet when the team are doing well.....

Check last night’s scores first!!

Forgot they were playing. Had a look at Iron Bru to get the verdict on the defeat and there is very little traffic on there - the match thread has two pages. Have their fans settled back into their previous torpor now the club has been “saved”? And what has happened to all the cult members?

To be honest with all the drama a BP in recent weeks I have become rather less bothered about events at GP.

Once we have a new manager and are surging up the table I might pay more attention to the Scunts, but I doubt things there will be as chaotic as we saw earlier in the year. Some level of normality seems to have returned to them, though I suspect the drama isn't entirely over yet. There is still the matter of the ownership of the ground and the unsustainable wage bill to resolve.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Forgot they were playing. Had a look at Iron Bru to get the verdict on the defeat and there is very little traffic on there - the match thread has two pages. Have their fans settled back into their previous torpor now the club has been “saved”? And what has happened to all the cult members?

I listened to the Slough game on the radio so there were updates on Scunny at half time and they went to the game live when we finished - according to the commentators they were well beaten and Kings Lynn were good value for it.

Lovely stuff.

Just been announced on hullberside glandford park is now back in the clubs hands

That's genuinely very good news. I would have felt guilty laughing if they'd gone bust. But now we can watch them struggle in non-league for years and have a massive laugh about it.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Just been announced on hullberside glandford park is now back in the clubs hands

I wonder what they paid for it. Good news for the fans. Looks like the club survives after all.

Don’t get this , they have allegedly paid £3m for the stadium but by the boards’ own admission they still have ‘extensive debts’ surely they would have to pay off their debts first before being allowed to ‘spend’ £3m

Quoted from supertown

Don’t get this , they have allegedly paid £3m for the stadium but by the boards’ own admission they still have ‘extensive debts’ surely they would have to pay off their debts first before being allowed to ‘spend’ £3m

The club hasn’t spent £3 million on the stadium, someone else has.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

The club hasn’t spent £3 million on the stadium, someone else has.

Who ? My info is that 0.5m is a donor . Council have stumped up some but not much and the board have paid the rest . Unless you know different ?

Quoted from supertown

Who ? My info is that 0.5m is a donor . Council have stumped up some but not much and the board have paid the rest . Unless you know different ?

There is some stuff on Iron Bru - ownership of ground and the car park land is split between different entities, also I’d heard there is a significant anon donor / funder.

The club was nothing without the stadium - there would have been no means of paying off the other debt and it would have folded. The cult of WHAM members were utterly stupid, or brainwashed, to not see that.

Well I'm pleased they haven't gone bust/administration, but would be quite happy to see them in their present league for a few seasons.

Genuinely gutted this has been sorted...was hoping for some further squirming and suffering.

All looking quite positive at the minute.

Looks like it might be a happy ending for our neighbours.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/november/a-joint-statement-between-scunthorpe-united-and-north-lincolnshire-council/

Not sure how they have pulled that off.

Quoted from Mappers

Looks like it might be a happy ending for our neighbours.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/november/a-joint-statement-between-scunthorpe-united-and-north-lincolnshire-council/

Not sure how they have pulled that off.

I am really pleased with that news I never wanted them to disapear.

I look forward to playing them in the league in a few years time our nearest derby that's if they can catch us up . ;)

Not too sure it’s a happy ending as such, 2.5 million of the taxpayers money to save the stadium and they still don’t own it outright. A playing budget that far exceeds the incomings means there’s still a long way to go for them. They need promotion this season otherwise it’s a dark few years in the depths of non league.

Looks like the deal was done as a way to get the enabling developments done.

All good and well now but not a long-term solution for them, but far better than their situation even a few weeks ago.

Quoted from LocalLadGTFC

Not too sure it’s a happy ending as such, 2.5 million of the taxpayers money to save the stadium and they still don’t own it outright. A playing budget that far exceeds the incomings means there’s still a long way to go for them. They need promotion this season otherwise it’s a dark few years in the depths of non league.

The speed with which the deal has been put together is impressive. The price looks about right for 150 older person social housing homes - it's an enabling deal to buy their own ground back, with Swann getting his money. I assume they will be losing most of the surrounding land. Now they have to cut their cloth to pay the debts and cover running costs.

How did they get 2.5 mil off the government?

Why can’t we get similar support and assistance from our council?

Quoted from RonMariner

Why can’t we get similar support and assistance from our council?

Our council decided to buy Freshney Place and then build a cinema ;D

Still seeing daftness from some of their fans

That Swann and Hilton are the big losers here , when in reality they have both got what they wanted .

Interesting special on Humberside yesterday - the main point I took note of is that their budget is 4 times higher than any other NLN club , they have big work to do reducing that unsustainable budget for sure .

Quoted from RonMariner

Why can’t we get similar support and assistance from our council?

I heard only last week that n e lincs council are in the Sh1t and financially struggling. How much of that is true I dont know but I’d think that the majority of councils up and down the land are probably struggling.

The council, as ever, are too late to the party and missed out on something. A multi use area with shopping, leisure and a football stadium although expensive could’ve done so much for the area. A real growth area that would’ve given the town a real feel good factor. The land would’ve had to be large enough to accommodate it but, if it was council owned land then that would be half the battle won.

Knowing our luck though, they’d have put all the plans forward for it and then rejected it all!!!

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

The club hasn’t spent £3 million on the stadium, someone else has.

We have, the tax payer, not sure on the amount.

The future of Scunthorpe United's Glanford Park ground has been secured after a not-for-profit company bought the site, the club has said. The New Show Ground Community Interest Company has bought the ground using a government Town Deal Fund grant.

Well I'm pleased that they haven't gone bust/ administration, but I'd still like to see them in the NLN for another few seasons.

Quoted from Mappers

Looks like it might be a happy ending for our neighbours.

https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/news/2023/november/a-joint-statement-between-scunthorpe-united-and-north-lincolnshire-council/

Not sure how they have pulled that off.

The New Show Ground CIC was incorporated 17 Oct 2023. People are Tahina Akther (Barrister, has been a Director in SUFC), Barbara Michelle HARNESS (Director of North Lincs Structures Ltd), Mohammed Roziur RAHMAN.

Looks like the council have diverted money towards the purchase, plus fans various.

Good luck to them, and I hope we play them in League 1 or higher.

Quoted from GrimPol

Good luck to them, and I hope we play them in League 1 or higher.

It’s chilly outside for sure, but I’m not sure we’re in danger of hell freezing over just yet. Positive news for Scunny no doubt, but it’s still a long, long way back for them.

If there’s a saving grace, it’s that if they were to manage to win promotion this season, the National League next year is going to look a lot less scary than when we dropped down in 2021. We all know that Chesterfield love a good mid-season capitulation but I just don’t see anyone in that league who is going to haul them in with an 11-point lead and a game in hand. Assuming they come up, that’s the last of the “monied” clubs down there for now.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

I heard only last week that n e lincs council are in the Sh1t and financially struggling.

That would fit in with the lack of gritting done last night ahead of the coldest night in 9 months. Needless to say as soon as you got over the NEL borders this morning it was chaos, oddly enough not too bad elsewhere...

Quoted from Poojah

It’s chilly outside for sure, but I’m not sure we’re in danger of hell freezing over just yet. Positive news for Scunny no doubt, but it’s still a long, long way back for them.

If there’s a saving grace, it’s that if they were to manage to win promotion this season, the National League next year is going to look a lot less scary than when we dropped down in 2021. We all know that Chesterfield love a good mid-season capitulation but I just don’t see anyone in that league who is going to haul them in with an 11-point lead and a game in hand. Assuming they come up, that’s the last of the “monied” clubs down there for now.

What I can't understand is that assuming the new owners of SUFC (GP ownership is another issue, although some people are in both) then the much-discussed OTT wage structure must have been sorted by the more astute board, or there was no suspected odd payments. I can't see this topic going away for some time.

Quoted from DB

, but I'd still like to see them in the NLN for another few seasons.

You are a hard man DB ;D

Just after some cheering up . Lol . Anyone know how things are over their ? I’ve not heard a peep

Saw something yesterday about some of their fans wanting to sing You'll Never Walk Alone at next home game in tribute to some Liverpool fans who contributed to the Crowdfunder.

Very weird behaviour and most of the sane Scunny fans were saying it was a daft idea.  From my occasional glances i does still seem to be a bit of a split in their fanbase though.  Lot of finger pointing and blaming going on.  Get the feeling it's got the potential to get toxic again if they're not careful.

Tamworth are flying at the top of the league and sending out a serious marker to catch.   Not sure Scunny will do that and I wouldn't fancy the lottery of the play-offs at any point.  Scunny due to host Tamworth on Tuesday night.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Saw something yesterday about some of their fans wanting to sing You'll Never Walk Alone at next home game in tribute to some Liverpool fans who contributed to the Crowdfunder.

Very weird behaviour and most of the sane Scunny fans were saying it was a daft idea.  From my occasional glances i does still seem to be a bit of a split in their fanbase though.  Lot of finger pointing and blaming going on.  Get the feeling it's got the potential to get toxic again if they're not careful.

Tamworth are flying at the top of the league and sending out a serious marker to catch.   Not sure Scunny will do that and I wouldn't fancy the lottery of the play-offs at any point.  Scunny due to host Tamworth on Tuesday night.

That bloke who begged everyone to get behind Hilton for months -Stuart Mower i think he's called did one of his videos begging Liverpool fans for donations to his GoFundMe page which he's going to pass over to the club .

Their fans travelled to Darlo last Tuesday evening. Got in the ground and were waiting for kick-off but the ref called the game off 10 minutes before kick-off due to a waterlogged pitch. :)

Quoted from Les Brechin

Their fans travelled to Darlo last Tuesday evening. Got in the ground and were waiting for kick-off but the ref called the game off 10 minutes before kick-off due to a waterlogged pitch. :)

'in't Scunny brilliaaant...'

I think you’re signature of Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice is brilliant and makes me laugh every time I see it. It’s just so true. UTM

The Times today bigging up Scunny as a celebration of good owners with fantastic away support 500 at Peterborough Sports on Saturday. Redemption in space if 3 months up the road and optimism to mammaries up at our end. So much for football being a place for long term plans

Quoted from Spurn boy

I think you’re signature of Miss Scunthorpe. Not a beauty pageant, just sound advice is brilliant and makes me laugh every time I see it. It’s just so true. UTM

Thanks. I'd love to claim that I'm a comic genius but I stole it from somewhere else! Because it made me laugh.

Better not mock them.
We could be playing them in the league match in 7 months……

One nil down at home to leaders Tamworth and down to ten men.

They need something last ten or else they're 12 points behind (2 games in hand though).
Only one automatic spot in the Conf. North.

Quoted from diehardmariner

One nil down at home to leaders Tamworth and down to ten men.

They need something last ten or else they're 12 points behind (2 games in hand though).
Only one automatic spot in the Conf. North.

They’ll win the play offs

Quite a few of our neighbours want Jimmy Deans out now.

They are still in a mess off the field in terms of debt , if they don't manage to get out of NLN this season their playing budget will be cut and they might be stuck there for years .

A big few months for The Iron.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

They’ll win the play offs

Brave prediction, if it’s the playoffs then anything can happen . They are not head and shoulders above the other teams like they probably expected

Quoted from Mappers

Quite a few of our neighbours want Jimmy Deans out now.

They are still in a mess off the field in terms of debt , if they don't manage to get out of NLN this season their playing budget will be cut and they might be stuck there for years .

A big few months for The Iron.

I was talking to someone extremely close to the club last week and he said exactly the same , although he also doesn’t think they can compete in the National League either

Scunny get battered everywhere they go .......

Speaking to a couple of Scunny fans at work they've said they're a bit flat track bully in that league, with concerns that they'll struggle to do it when it really matters in the play-offs. Dunno if that's backed up by results against those around them or just frustration having lost to Tamworth at home.

Cal Roberts one of their difference makers but struggles to stay fit.

Scunny fan I know said they were shite last night .

Quoted from supertown

Scunny fan I know said they were shite last night .

ooh, my happy place....

1 nil up then let Blyth equalise in the 95th minute.

Going to struggle to get that top spot.

Had it on in the car, commentator said 10 seconds to go, the 200 Scunny fans will be very happy on the drive back. Even I felt sorry for them, that is decent support.

Cant see them getting near top spot

Quoted from denni266

Cant see them getting near top spot

The last time I looked in on Scunny was before Xmas, and they looked certs in top spot. What a difference a few weeks makes.
As an aside would be great if Boston Utd made the playoffs.

Quoted from GrimPol

The last time I looked in on Scunny was before Xmas, and they looked certs in top spot. What a difference a few weeks makes.
As an aside would be great if Boston Utd made the playoffs.

And beat the Scunts.

Quoted from mariner91

And beat the Scunts.

B*gger me sideways, I'd still be laughing in November if that happened.

So what happened to, "we're going to walk this League"?

Got a budget 2 or 3 times the size of anyone else in that league. Can only laugh!

Quoted from gtfc98

Got a budget 2 or 3 times the size of anyone else in that league. Can only laugh!

Which I assume they can't support on their current income level.

What could possibly go wrong.....

Quoted from RonMariner

Which I assume they can't support on their current income level.

What could possibly go wrong.....

The new owners must have bottomless pockets or they have a very good plan . Every one in that league hates them because the sort of cheated . Bought loads of players they could never afford and have admitted they need 5k through the door to break even . They’re almost an ffp gone mad 😂😂 if they don’t go up they’re doomed , if they do go up they’re doomed .

Quoted from 123614

So what happened to, "we're going to walk this League"?

They didn't take into account the free flowing football powerhouse of Tamworth. But they're a massive club.

I think doomed is a bit extreme .

They will be reverting to a break even model after this season so it will be them trying to survive whether they are nln or nl ,although if nln they will still have decentish budget for the level you would think - they have not dominated with one 4 or 5 times most teams in that league so not so sure that means much .

We won't be seeing them again for a long long time , if ever.Unless the worst happens .

Scunny (we’re going to urine the league) fans are now beginning to realise that it’s not that easy to get out of that league even though they have full time players, they are where they are because of mismanagement in the past. UTM

It took Stockport, a far bigger club than Scunny, a long time and a lot of money to eventually get out of the NLN. If they don't make it out this year I can see them struggling for a while.

Their 'HMS urine the league ' boat is close to being downed , with Jimmy Deans man overboard .

Even if they don't catch Tamworth, they are virtually nailed on for second place and you would think they would be heavy favorites to go up via the play offs.

I mean, teams that finish a clear second, like Wrexham in 2022, always win the play offs don't they?

Oh, hang on................

Quoted from RonMariner

Even if they don't catch Tamworth, they are virtually nailed on for second place and you would think they would be heavy favorites to go up via the play offs.

I mean, teams that finish a clear second, like Wrexham in 2022, always win the play offs don't they?

Oh, hang on................

I hadn’t appreciated that the regional leagues followed the same 6 team eliminator format that the National League does, with the added potential advantage for Scunny that there’s no neutral venue in the final - instead playing it at the ground of the highest placed finalist. Effectively, Scunny would ‘only’ have to win 2 home games to win promotion, whereas we had to win 2 away games against sides that finished above us just to get to the final, but as we know very well there appears to be the seed of psychological disadvantage that comes with that supposed home advantage in such high pressure games.

Have to say, when I first heard of the eliminator format I thought it was bonkers, but I’ve grown to really like it. Perhaps there’s a massive slice of bias there in that we win promotion by it, and that we wouldn’t have even made the play-offs on the basis of the old format, but there you go.

Quoted from RonMariner

Even if they don't catch Tamworth, they are virtually nailed on for second place and you would think they would be heavy favorites to go up via the play offs.

I mean, teams that finish a clear second, like Wrexham in 2022, always win the play offs don't they?

Oh, hang on................

I’m not so sure they are nailed on for 2nd , a lot can happen

I wouldn't get too cocky folks.

Don't want to contemplate it, but there is still a possibility that we could be playing them next season. ??)

Bad day for Scunny.

Lost at home to Curzon Ashton and top of the table Tamworth won.

Scunny now 12 points behind the leaders with a game in hand.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Bad day for Scunny.

Lost at home to Curzon Ashton and top of the table Tamworth won.

Scunny now 12 points behind the leaders with a game in hand.

Yessss.....something to cheer

Losing again to South Shields.

Wheels well and truly fell off.

Tamworth losing too so opportunity missed

Quoted from Abdul19

Tamworth losing too so opportunity missed

I rather think they will be more concerned that Chorley won. With their current form second or even third place is far from nailed on.

Its getting tight in 2 3 4 places, and Boston are in the play off zone, just. I'm rooting for Boston, as it might be Boston v Scunny.

And think before Xmas they were where Tamworth are. Brutal game footy.

Quoted from GrimPol

Its getting tight in 2 3 4 places, and Boston are in the play off zone, just. I'm rooting for Boston, as it might be Boston v Scunny.

And think before Xmas they were where Tamworth are. Brutal game footy.

Boston are absolutely flying! Only lost once in their last 13 games and have won 7 of them. Their last 5 games, they've won 4 and drawn 1. Might have hit form a little too early but if they carry it on they'll be looking good for the play offs. If they got Scunny in the play offs I'd go watch and root for them.

Quoted from mariner91

Boston are absolutely flying! Only lost once in their last 13 games and have won 7 of them. Their last 5 games, they've won 4 and drawn 1. Might have hit form a little too early but if they carry it on they'll be looking good for the play offs. If they got Scunny in the play offs I'd go watch and root for them.

Based on recent form for the rest of the season (before tonights results), it's Scunny v Boston in the play off Quarter Final. Both league games have been a draw with Boston hitting the post in the last minute of their home fixture against them. Scunny definitely won't want Boston in the play-offs.

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Scunny have most their team out of contract at the end of the season . The high earners will not have their contracts renewed at a guess ? I’m also guessing those players know that and have stopped giving 100% . ? If they go up they’re gonna struggle, if they stay in that league they’ll do ok . Bit like us regarding league 2 and the NL .

There is a huge advantage finishing 2nd or 3rd as it gives you only 2 games to play in the playoffs and they are guaranteed to both be at home if you finish 2nd

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Based on recent form for the rest of the season (before tonights results), it's Scunny v Boston in the play off Quarter Final. Both league games have been a draw with Boston hitting the post in the last minute of their home fixture against them. Scunny definitely won't want Boston in the play-offs.

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Anyone fancy doing this for League Two? I’m fairly certain that extrapolating the last 10 keeps us up, but last 6 sees us down.

Edit: can’t be ársed doing the full table but this is indeed correct.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Based on recent form for the rest of the season (before tonights results), it's Scunny v Boston in the play off Quarter Final. Both league games have been a draw with Boston hitting the post in the last minute of their home fixture against them. Scunny definitely won't want Boston in the play-offs.

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Interestingly, both Darlington & Southport were League clubs at one time and now struggling to stay in this league, funny old game as Greavise would have said.

Quoted from supertown

There is a huge advantage finishing 2nd or 3rd as it gives you only 2 games to play in the playoffs and they are guaranteed to both be at home if you finish 2nd

That didn’t help Wrexham and the team finishing third much good in 2022 if I remember correctly 😎

The play offs are a bit of a lottery and he single game fixtures make an upset more likely that a two game fixture in many ways. So finishing second is by no means a guarantee of going up. Anything can happen.

Apparently 7500 fans there yesterday are they now paying them to attend ?

Darlingtons demise is horrific.

I seem to remember them trying to sign the likes of gascoigne and Asprilla in the early 2000s. Building a massive new stadium and eventually being wound up as a club.

They werent allowed to re-enter the league as a continuation as Darlington FC .....but didnt that change recently ?

no matter how excrement its been at BP for 2 decades at least we arent Darlington.....

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Apparently 7500 fans there yesterday are they now paying them to attend ?

Notts County type Community day. Freebies for schools and ticket offers. 1150 from Chester.

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

Notts County type Community day. Freebies for schools and ticket offers. 1150 from Chester.

That’s still a good turnout and Chester bringing 1150 is impressive was there some crowd trouble with the match late finishing

Quoted from crusty ole pie

That’s still a good turnout and Chester bringing 1150 is impressive was there some crowd trouble with the match late finishing

Started 25 minutes late due to crowd congestion I think

Not a bad turnout tbf even with freebies , still think they’ll blow the play offs though

The late equaliser spoilt a perfect footy day 😂

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Not a bad turnout tbf even with freebies , still think they’ll blow the play offs though

As long as we don’t end up playing them next season I’m not @rsed

Quoted from HertsGTFC

As long as we don’t end up playing them next season I’m not @rsed

Yep that’s it - the next Lincs derby in a league game needs to be v Lincoln…

Quoted from HertsGTFC

As long as we don’t end up playing them next season I’m not @rsed

Spot on. My feelings too.

Quoted from forza ivano

Started 25 minutes late due to crowd congestion I think

Lack of caravan parking I believe was the issue

Quoted from StacyColdicotts_hairline

Darlingtons demise is horrific.

I seem to remember them trying to sign the likes of gascoigne and Asprilla in the early 2000s. Building a massive new stadium and eventually being wound up as a club.

They werent allowed to re-enter the league as a continuation as Darlington FC .....but didnt that change recently ?

no matter how excrement its been at BP for 2 decades at least we arent Darlington.....

We have been absolutely shifted royally in the last 20 years with dodgy owners, but hey ho. We move.

For me Reynolds wasn't even the worst one. He just had a big arsed ego and thought by building that big bottom stadium - We'd find the fans. Truly barmy, we never wanted to go there.

Raj Singh is the worst we've had. Truly horrific bloke in charge, not sure how he's wound up at another club after bending us over and f**cking us over.

When we got demoted, the FA declared us a "new" club which meant changing the legal name of the club basically. So we went to Darlington FC 1883, but a few years ago we got our original name back.

We aren't a new club, as when we as fans took over the club we took on all the debts left by Raj Singh (Now in charge of Hartlepool) and the one player left on the books. We only had the name change because Singh refused to release the CVA which would have enabled us to continue us as Darlington FC.

So we got demoted to the Northern League and gained 3 promotions in 4 years to get where we are now. National League North.

Currently sharing a Rugby Club at a ground that is truly atrocious for a viewing point for a paying customer. But until we can find some land to develop a new ground, we are currently stagnated where we are (fighting to stay up after the dreadful appointment of Josh Gowling earlier in the season).

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Not a bad turnout tbf even with freebies , still think they’ll blow the play offs though

The biggest ever NLN league attendance even bigger than any play-off games I understand.

Quoted from arryarryarry

The biggest ever NLN league attendance even bigger than any play-off games I understand.

They must be so proud.

Quoted from arryarryarry

The biggest ever NLN league attendance even bigger than any play-off games I understand.

They’ll be dining out on that stat for years!!

Quoted from Gaffer58

They’ll be dining out on that stat for years!!

Until Bury beat it. Or York next season if they go down.

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

We have been absolutely shifted royally in the last 20 years with dodgy owners, but hey ho. We move.

For me Reynolds wasn't even the worst one. He just had a big arsed ego and thought by building that big bottom stadium - We'd find the fans. Truly barmy, we never wanted to go there.

Raj Singh is the worst we've had. Truly horrific bloke in charge, not sure how he's wound up at another club after bending us over and f**cking us over.

When we got demoted, the FA declared us a "new" club which meant changing the legal name of the club basically. So we went to Darlington FC 1883, but a few years ago we got our original name back.

We aren't a new club, as when we as fans took over the club we took on all the debts left by Raj Singh (Now in charge of Hartlepool) and the one player left on the books. We only had the name change because Singh refused to release the CVA which would have enabled us to continue us as Darlington FC.

So we got demoted to the Northern League and gained 3 promotions in 4 years to get where we are now. National League North.

Currently sharing a Rugby Club at a ground that is truly atrocious for a viewing point for a paying customer. But until we can find some land to develop a new ground, we are currently stagnated where we are (fighting to stay up after the dreadful appointment of Josh Gowling earlier in the season).

Keep up the good work Andy such a shame for the town without a football club a town has no heartbeat

Quoted from arryarryarry

The biggest ever NLN league attendance even bigger than any play-off games I understand.

NLN play-off final 2017, FC Halifax v Chorley att. 7920

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

We have been absolutely shifted royally in the last 20 years with dodgy owners, but hey ho. We move.

For me Reynolds wasn't even the worst one. He just had a big arsed ego and thought by building that big bottom stadium - We'd find the fans. Truly barmy, we never wanted to go there.

Raj Singh is the worst we've had. Truly horrific bloke in charge, not sure how he's wound up at another club after bending us over and f**cking us over.

When we got demoted, the FA declared us a "new" club which meant changing the legal name of the club basically. So we went to Darlington FC 1883, but a few years ago we got our original name back.

We aren't a new club, as when we as fans took over the club we took on all the debts left by Raj Singh (Now in charge of Hartlepool) and the one player left on the books. We only had the name change because Singh refused to release the CVA which would have enabled us to continue us as Darlington FC.

So we got demoted to the Northern League and gained 3 promotions in 4 years to get where we are now. National League North.

Currently sharing a Rugby Club at a ground that is truly atrocious for a viewing point for a paying customer. But until we can find some land to develop a new ground, we are currently stagnated where we are (fighting to stay up after the dreadful appointment of Josh Gowling earlier in the season).

Genuinely saddened by Darlington’s long drawn out plight. Spent my early adult years living in ‘Boro and working in and around Darlo, and met my wife there who hails from nearby Northallerton. I know a couple of Darlington fans through her, and you know when you’re chatting to fans of other clubs and they’ve had it notably tougher than you as a supporter of Grimsby, that they’ve had a rough ride.

I remember driving past the Arena as it was nearing completion. It would have been 2003, and at that point it time it would have been one of the most modern grounds in the country. For all its fundamental flaws, it was an incredibly impressive stadium at the time when taken at face value, and man I was jealous.

It’s just such a shame how it turned out for Darlo. I know it’s not how it works, but I’d much rather an EFL with Darlington, Bury, Hartlepool, Oldham and Southend than one with Forest Green, Harrogate, Salford, Crawley and Fleetwood.