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Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 12:06pm
A quick statto post (and quiz)

I was wondering how our drought of 42 seasons without winning a title compares with other clubs.
By my reckoning, since we last won our division, an astonishing 98 different clubs have finished top of one of the top five divisions (75 clubs if you just count the top four divisions).

However, there are 12 league (i.e. Premier League and EFL) clubs who have not won their division since before 1979/80... how many can you name?  

(Note that "won their division" means whatever league the club was playing in, not necessarily one of the top five).
Posted by: Marinerdan, June 23, 2022, 12:19pm; Reply: 1
I donโ€™t know many but I have a feeling Rochdale have never won anything at all. I remember when they got promoted a few years ago it was their first promotion in 50 or so years
Posted by: lukeo, June 23, 2022, 12:22pm; Reply: 2
We are spoilt let's be honest ๐Ÿ˜‚

All joking aside not many fans of EFL teams can say they've been the the old and new Wembley, millennium stadium and olympic stadium for play off finals
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 12:25pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from Marinerdan
I donโ€™t know many but I have a feeling Rochdale have never won anything at all. I remember when they got promoted a few years ago it was their first promotion in 50 or so years


Spot on - Rochdale are one of three who have never won a title.
Posted by: SteffiMariner, June 23, 2022, 12:26pm; Reply: 4
Morecambe
Posted by: pen penfras, June 23, 2022, 12:27pm; Reply: 5
Villa
Everton
Tottenham
Rochdale
West Ham
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 12:30pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from SteffiMariner
Morecambe


Yep, their last title was the Lancashire Combination in 1968!
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 12:33pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from pen penfras
Villa
Everton
Tottenham
Rochdale
West Ham


Only 2/5.
Villa won the league in 1980-81
Everton won the league in 1984-85 and 1986-87
West Ham won division 2 in 1980-81

Rochdale, as mentioned above, have never won anything.
And Tottenham's last title was in their double-winning season of 1960-61.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 23, 2022, 12:37pm; Reply: 8
Accrington Stanley?
Posted by: Marinerdan, June 23, 2022, 12:41pm; Reply: 9
Sheffield Wednesday? They are one of those teams that never seem to finish higher than 5th!
Posted by: PoutonStepover, June 23, 2022, 12:42pm; Reply: 10
Newcastle
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 12:45pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from ginnywings
Accrington Stanley?


Who are they? Exachhly. (Readers of a certain age will understand).

Nope, they won the conference in 2005/6 and League Two in 2017/18.
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 12:46pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Marinerdan
Sheffield Wednesday? They are one of those teams that never seem to finish higher than 5th!


Indeed, last won Division Two in 1958/59.
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 12:47pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from PoutonStepover
Newcastle


They've won three titles since we last won one. Second tier in 1992/93, 2009/10 and 2016/17.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 23, 2022, 12:47pm; Reply: 14
Macclesfield before they went belly up?
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 12:50pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from ginnywings
Macclesfield before they went belly up?


Well, the question was about current league teams... but in any case, they won the Conference/National League three times, in 1994/95, 1996/97 and 2017/18.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 23, 2022, 12:53pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from mike502


Well, the question was about current league teams... but in any case, they won the Conference/National League three times, in 1994/95, 1996/97 and 2017/18.


Had a feeling they did well under the ex Man Utd player, but couldn't remember without a search and that's cheating.

I give up. Nice day and going for a walk on the seafront, when some answers will probably occur to me.
Posted by: mimma, June 23, 2022, 1:08pm; Reply: 17
Scunthorpe,  oh, sorry, they're not a league club anymore. Silly me!

Peterborough? Can't remember them winning anything.

Barrow?

Oldham?
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 1:17pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from mimma
Scunthorpe,  oh, sorry, they're not a league club anymore. Silly me!

Peterborough? Can't remember them winning anything.

Barrow?

Oldham?


Scunthorpe - you're right, they're not part of this question ;D but in any case won League One in 2006/7

Peterborough - correct, last title was Division 4 in 1973/74

Barrow came up as National League champions in 2019/20.

Oldham - won Division 2 (yep, the second tier) in 1990/91.
Posted by: ManBurning, June 23, 2022, 4:27pm; Reply: 19
Bristol Rovers
Crewe
Port Vale
Posted by: Madeleymariner, June 23, 2022, 4:41pm; Reply: 20
Yeovil?
Posted by: Connecticut Mariner, June 23, 2022, 4:53pm; Reply: 21
Port Vale?
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 4:57pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from ManBurning
Bristol Rovers
Crewe
Port Vale


Brizzle won the third division in 1989/90.
But yes to Crewe - never won a league title.
And yes to Port Vale - last title was Division 4 in 1958/59.
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 5:01pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Madeleymariner
Yeovil?


Conference 2002/3 and League Two 2004/5
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 5:01pm; Reply: 24
Port Vale?


Yep - see my previous answer.
Posted by: Madeleymariner, June 23, 2022, 7:30pm; Reply: 25
Stoke please
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 7:47pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Madeleymariner
Stoke please


Won Div 2 (3rd tier) in 1992/3
Posted by: smokey111, June 23, 2022, 7:51pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from mike502


Won Div 2 (3rd tier) in 1992/3


Fair play Mike. A very tricky quiz!
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 7:58pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from smokey111


Fair play Mike. A very tricky quiz!


I know. Not sure I'd have got many of the answers myself if I hadn't looked them up!
Posted by: HerveJosse, June 23, 2022, 10:25pm; Reply: 29
Southampton
Posted by: mike502, June 23, 2022, 10:34pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from HerveJosse
Southampton


Good one! Last title was division 3 in 1959/60.

Four more to get...
Posted by: toontown, June 24, 2022, 7:03am; Reply: 31
Coventry?
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 7:49am; Reply: 32
Quoted from toontown
Coventry?


Would have been an answer to this question three years ago but they won league 1 in 2019/20.
Posted by: ex-merseymariner, June 24, 2022, 8:13am; Reply: 33
Tottenham can't possibly be a right answer, they were going to be in the super league, they must be massive! ๐Ÿ˜‰

How about Crystal Palace?

Barnsley?
Posted by: thornemariner, June 24, 2022, 8:13am; Reply: 34
Hartlepool?

How about Huddersfield. Last time I remember them winning a title was when we did.
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 8:20am; Reply: 35
Quoted from ex-merseymariner
Tottenham can't possibly be a right answer, they were going to be in the super league, they must be massive! ๐Ÿ˜‰

How about Crystal Palace?

Barnsley?


Not Palace (Division 1 in 1993/4) but Barnsley is correct - last title was Division 3 in 1954/55
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 8:22am; Reply: 36
Quoted from thornemariner
Hartlepool?


Hartlepool is correct - never won a league title.
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 8:26am; Reply: 37
Quoted from thornemariner
Hartlepool?

How about Huddersfield. Last time I remember them winning a title was when we did.


You're spot on - Huddersfield won Division 4 the year we won Division 3 - but they're not one of the answers to my question (which was clubs that had been waiting longer than us)!

Two more to get (at least one of which we'll be playing in the coming season)...
Posted by: toontown, June 24, 2022, 8:28am; Reply: 38
Derby?
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 9:10am; Reply: 39
Quoted from toontown
Derby?


You guys are doing really well at picking teams who have waited a long time for a title... but Derby's wait isn't as long as ours. They won the Second Division in 1986/7 (having finished third in the Third Division the previous season).
Posted by: toontown, June 24, 2022, 9:11am; Reply: 40
Newport?
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 9:16am; Reply: 41
Quoted from toontown
Newport?


Another good guess as they haven't won a title in the top five divisions since 1938/9... but they won Conference South in 2009/10.
Posted by: Brazilnut, June 24, 2022, 10:53am; Reply: 42
How many left to get
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 11:06am; Reply: 43
Quoted from Brazilnut
How many left to get


Two more to get.  Time for a couple of clues:

One will be playing in the Championship this season, the other in League Two.
Neither of them is more than 20 miles North or South of Grimsby. Or East for that matter!
Posted by: mimma, June 24, 2022, 11:49am; Reply: 44
Walsall??

Can't ever remember them winning owt
Posted by: MidnightMariner, June 24, 2022, 11:54am; Reply: 45
Quoted from mike502


Two more to get.  Time for a couple of clues:

One will be playing in the Championship this season, the other in League Two.
Neither of them is more than 20 miles North or South of Grimsby. Or East for that matter!


DULL ( With a H ) ?
Posted by: Les Brechin, June 24, 2022, 11:55am; Reply: 46
Quoted from mike502


Two more to get.  Time for a couple of clues:

One will be playing in the Championship this season, the other in League Two.
Neither of them is more than 20 miles North or South of Grimsby. Or East for that matter!


Eh? Am I reading that right. There's only Hull (as the crow flies) that fits into that category.
Posted by: HerveJosse, June 24, 2022, 12:10pm; Reply: 47
Sheffield United
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 12:14pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from Les Brechin


Eh? Am I reading that right. There's only Hull (as the crow flies) that fits into that category.


I clearly phrased it badly.  These clubs are no more than 20 miles North or South, but are substantially West!
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 12:16pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from mimma
Walsall??

Can't ever remember them winning owt


...other than League Two in 2006/7
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 12:17pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from MidnightMariner


DULL ( With a H ) ?


Won League One the season before last.
Posted by: Les Brechin, June 24, 2022, 12:18pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from mike502


I clearly phrased it badly.  These clubs are no more than 20 miles North or South, but are substantially West!


Everywhere is west of Grimsby isn't it?  ;)
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 12:19pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from HerveJosse
Sheffield United


Division 4 in 1981/82 and League One in 2016/17 (with 100 points).
Posted by: HerveJosse, June 24, 2022, 1:39pm; Reply: 53
Blackpool
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 1:41pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from HerveJosse
Blackpool


Correct! Last title was Division 2 in 1929/30.

One more to get.
Posted by: ManBurning, June 24, 2022, 1:44pm; Reply: 55
Tranmere?
Posted by: Maringer, June 24, 2022, 1:46pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from Les Brechin


Everywhere is west of Grimsby isn't it?  ;)


East Anglia and Kent would beg to differ!

I've not been paying much attention to the thread. Has anybody gone for Wrexham yet? Or are they more than 20 miles north or south?
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 1:59pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from ManBurning
Tranmere?


And we're there!  Tranmere last won a title in 1937/8 - Division 3 (North)
Posted by: ManBurning, June 24, 2022, 2:00pm; Reply: 58
Great quiz!
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 2:01pm; Reply: 59
Quoted from Maringer


East Anglia and Kent would beg to differ!

I've not been paying much attention to the thread. Has anybody gone for Wrexham yet? Or are they more than 20 miles north or south?


You're right that Wrexham haven't won a league title for some time - 1977/8 - but I seem to recall they're not members of the EFL at present  ;)
Posted by: mike502, June 24, 2022, 2:04pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from ManBurning
Great quiz!


Thanks :-)

So the final question... which of the 14 clubs without a league title since 1979/80 or before is most likely to break that drought this season?

Barnsley
Blackpool
Crewe Alexandra
Grimsby Town
Hartlepool United
Huddersfield Town
Morecambe
Peterborough United
Port Vale
Rochdale
Sheffield Wednesday
Southampton
Tottenham Hotspur
Tranmere Rovers
Posted by: smokey111, June 24, 2022, 4:10pm; Reply: 61
Wednesday
Posted by: MarinerDevil, June 24, 2022, 4:57pm; Reply: 62
Probably one of the League One lot, I'll say Barnsley.
Posted by: DB, June 24, 2022, 5:56pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from mike502


Thanks :-)

So the final question... which of the 14 clubs without a league title since 1979/80 or before is most likely to break that drought this season?

Barnsley
Blackpool
Crewe Alexandra
Grimsby Town
Hartlepool United
Huddersfield Town
Morecambe
Peterborough United
Port Vale
Rochdale
Sheffield Wednesday
Southampton
Tottenham Hotspur
Tranmere Rovers


From all the above there can only be one. GRIMSBY TOWN. Going up again as champions. 8)

Posted by: thornemariner, June 24, 2022, 7:08pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from mike502


Thanks :-)

So the final question... which of the 14 clubs without a league title since 1979/80 or before is most likely to break that drought this season?

Barnsley
Blackpool
Crewe Alexandra
Grimsby Town
Hartlepool United
Huddersfield Town
Morecambe
Peterborough United
Port Vale
Rochdale
Sheffield Wednesday
Southampton
Tottenham Hotspur
Tranmere Rovers


Great quiz Mike.

I actually fancy us to do well but think it could be Wednesday's year for a title. How about both of us?
Posted by: RonMariner, June 25, 2022, 12:04pm; Reply: 65
I wonder which clubs have gone longest without being relegated?
Posted by: Abdul19, June 25, 2022, 12:21pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from RonMariner
I wonder which clubs have gone longest without being relegated?


Arsenal?
Posted by: Les Brechin, June 25, 2022, 12:28pm; Reply: 67
Quoted from Abdul19


Arsenal?


Has to be surely. Arsenal have only ever been relegated once in 1912-13 and only spent 2 seasons in the 2nd tier. The First World War stopped them resuming their top flight residency in 1915/16 but were back in the top flight when football restarted in 1919/20 and have been in the top flight ever since.
Posted by: SteffiMariner, June 25, 2022, 12:55pm; Reply: 68
Morecambe - never been relegated
Posted by: Les Brechin, June 25, 2022, 1:25pm; Reply: 69
Quoted from SteffiMariner
Morecambe - never been relegated


Arsenal last relegated in 1913. Morecambe weren't founded until 1920.
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