Port Vale fans reported to attack Swindon players and Everton not covering themselves in glory either by all accounts.
Where does it stop?

Shocking really, bet Notts police have water cannons at the ready for Monday....

Just seen a clip of Viera booting an Everton fan last night, great stuff. Not sure why someone thought it’d be a good idea to film himself flicking the Vs in the face of famously genteel and mild mannered Viera, but it did make me laugh this morning.

That said, before ther knew anything was happening the commentator couldn’t start moaning about it quick enough…

No issue with viera legging someone up though…

Society has seen a surge in simpletons post lock down . Apparently drawing at Barnet is a reason to invade the pitch and damage a net . This behaviour won't stop now until the fences go back up . Once a few do it all the other simpletons join in . Like sheep really . Pathetic

Imagine town or notts beat Wrexham at home, it will be like the Alamo

Absolutely praying that there’s no such unsavoury scenes, irrelevant of result on Monday.

It’s nothing short of feral behaviour. The mindset of running onto the pitch in celebration is something that is somewhat foreign to me but ultimately “you, do you” and take any prospective legal proceedings that may occur due to it. However, the thought of running on the pitch and attacking someone is absolutely barbaric.

More times than I care to admit have I left BP with anger and frustration about officials, oppositions (…And more regularly in recent years, our own players!) but entering the field of play and attacking them… Nah I’m alright thanks.

24 weeks prison time, £500 fine and a 10 year ban for the Billy Sharp attacker. Soft as shìte.

Equally, on Monday - you just know full well, the second a town fan steps onto the pitch on Monday we’ll have the book thrown at us. So let’s try and avoid that one.

UTM

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Imagine town or notts beat Wrexham at home, it will be like the Alamo

That's what the notts police don't want . They've seen Grimsby fans reaction to a draw . It's all pathetic really . Grown men getting over excited

This needs to stop - I remember being in cages at football matches in the 80’s looking through grids of steel.  It was awful and if we are not careful, new measures will come in.
Really hope our fans do not do this if we win on Monday night.  It’s far more enjoyable for the players to celebrate in front of us than a pitch invasion.

Quoted from It Bites

This behaviour won't stop now until the fences go back up

Exactly. I loved what Colin Murray said on Quest. He doesn't give a shite as he's out of a job in a few weeks anyway

I want perimeter fencing up as a minimum, also how long before people starting ripping seats up and using these as a projectile. To preempt this I would suggest the removal of all seating and a return to terracing.

Quoted from A.l.f.

This needs to stop - I remember being in cages at football matches in the 80’s looking through grids of steel.  It was awful and if we are not careful, new measures will come in.
Really hope our fans do not do this if we win on Monday night.  It’s far more enjoyable for the players to celebrate in front of us than a pitch invasion.

Yeah this, I remember some great times with the players celebrating in front of a packed away end with everyone chanting. It's loads better than milling about and jumping about as individuals on the pitch with the players trying to get away

The thing is they're invading the pitch and they haven't even won anything yet, There's still the small matter of the final at Wembley to overcome!

Quoted from Les Brechin

The thing is they're invading the pitch and they haven't even won anything yet, There's still the small matter of the final at Wembley to overcome!

People invade the pitch at any opportunity these days, it should be saved for something special like winning the cup or the league. Invading the pitch to celebrate say...A 2:2 draw with Barnet doesn't have the same effect.

Somebody is going to get very seriously hurt soon and it was all so predictable that the celebrating of goals on the pitch ("oh what harm is it doing") has escalated.

It is now de rigueur to invade the pitch and the authorities won't have a scooby do what to do about it. The pitch should be absolutely sacrosanct in professional sport.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Somebody is going to get very seriously hurt soon and it was all so predictable that the celebrating of goals on the pitch ("oh what harm is it doing") has escalated.

It is now de rigueur to invade the pitch and the authorities won't have a scooby do what to do about it. The pitch should be absolutely sacrosanct in professional sport.

Generally speaking, I’m massively against punishing the masses for the misdemeanours of a few rogue individuals. I’m a believer that punishment should go hard and specific to the individuals, rather than soft and broadly against football fans as a whole.

But this is different. The level of idiocy on display this week is such that no perceived consequence is going to prevent it. The bloke who nutted Billy Sharp; it isn’t a difficult calculation to make that if you do that to a high profile footballer on live TV that you will be identified, you will be arrested and you will do jail time for it. But that thought process was simply never engaged in the moment.

I think we’re after a point now that you have to outlaw pitch invasions. Technically they already are of course, but that law now needs properly enforcing before someone does indeed get seriously hurt and football is forced back into the dark ages.

To be honest, it’s a small price to pay in the big scheme of things. In over 30 years of following Town I can only recall a handful of what I’d consider legitimate pitch invasions; Exeter, Fulham, Spurs and possibly Eastleigh. That says a lot about our level of success in that period, but the point stands.

If we don’t nip this in the bud now, I think the longer-term ramifications for football fans as a collective will be grim.

I for one am intrigued at this new phenomenon, for I have not once in my life witnessed this act before and certainly not at the end of every single season, across every division, nor in cup fixtures and certainly have not seen the likes of Sky and the BBC using it in their promotional material.

Pitch invasions after playoff semi final wins are tinpot as fuck. Your team's still got a massive job to go and do and you're gonna look like a right helmet in a few days if you go and lose the final.

As for these pricks starting on players, the sooner one of them gets properly laid out by a player the better for me.

Quoted from ska face

I for one am intrigued at this new phenomenon, for I have not once in my life witnessed this act before and certainly not at the end of every single season, across every division, nor in cup fixtures and certainly have not seen the likes of Sky and the BBC using it in their promotional material.

Something has changed this season, not sure if it's after a season of lockdown or what? I've never remembered so many teams goading fans after scoring too, it's been absolutely rife in the National League and now watching the playoffs it seems it's been a thing in the EFL divisions too.

I blame the media. They stopped showing footage of streakers and people who run on the pitch during a match, but they show footage of after match encroachment. they should turn the cameras away as soon as it happens. People see it on TV and copy it, must be OK because I saw it on TV. The first time the media should report on it is when they are caught and been to court, or a club sanctioned.


N.B.     Same with flares, turn the cameras away.

Quoted from male private Nale

I want perimeter fencing up as a minimum, also how long before people starting ripping seats up and using these as a projectile. To preempt this I would suggest the removal of all seating and a return to terracing.

I don’t normally agree with you Richard but here I think you have hit the nail on the head. The players must feel safe whilst playing so the fences should go up, even if it’s just behind the goals to start

I remember people getting arrested and missing the match at Wembley in 98 against Bournemouth, our first ever appearance at Wembley. I bet nobody admits to it now though, they have all concocted "memories" of the great occasion when they were sat in a police cell during it.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

I don’t normally agree with you Richard but here I think you have hit the nail on the head. The players must feel safe whilst playing so the fences should go up, even if it’s just behind the goals to start

Glad to see someone is seeing the bigger picture. I stated in an earlier post the previous style of fencing was like an obstacle on the krypton factor, something that is easily scalable moving forward these fences need to be much higher sloping inwards.

Britain is a nation of war, always has been always will be, the fact that we have not been able to deploy our young men on such battlefields to overcome belligerent nations or subdue restless natives is now beginning to show in society. These fellows need theatres to act out their base instinct to fight (which runs strong through the British race) and if the government are no longer able to provide them then they will create their own in places such as football stadiums and town centres on a Saturday.

Try running on the 'pitch' at say the MCG IN Australia at a cricket match 10,000 Australian dollars fine, hence it doesn't happen

I can do without it.  I will carry on watching Ho Chi Minh City where you can stand and have a beer while watching the game or even get bought a beer by opposition fans.  Where's Brian Clough when you need him?

Fences won’t come back, these people will be dealt with and in a few weeks everyone will have forgotten about it. Doesn’t make it right but that’s what will happen…

Quoted from bradzmilne

Absolutely praying that there’s no such unsavoury scenes, irrelevant of result on Monday.

It’s nothing short of feral behaviour. The mindset of running onto the pitch in celebration is something that is somewhat foreign to me but ultimately “you, do you” and take any prospective legal proceedings that may occur due to it. However, the thought of running on the pitch and attacking someone is absolutely barbaric.

More times than I care to admit have I left BP with anger and frustration about officials, oppositions (…And more regularly in recent years, our own players!) but entering the field of play and attacking them… Nah I’m alright thanks.

24 weeks prison time, £500 fine and a 10 year ban for the Billy Sharp attacker. Soft as shìte.

Equally, on Monday - you just know full well, the second a town fan steps onto the pitch on Monday we’ll have the book thrown at us. So let’s try and avoid that one.

UTM

Well said  Brad have a gold star

Shock collars on entry like they do for pets encroach on the pitch you get a zap

Quoted from male private Nale

Glad to see someone is seeing the bigger picture. I stated in an earlier post the previous style of fencing was like an obstacle on the krypton factor, something that is easily scalable moving forward these fences need to be much higher sloping inwards.

Britain is a nation of war, always has been always will be, the fact that we have not been able to deploy our young men on such battlefields to overcome belligerent nations or subdue restless natives is now beginning to show in society. These fellows need theatres to act out their base instinct to fight (which runs strong through the British race) and if the government are no longer able to provide them then they will create their own in places such as football stadiums and town centres on a Saturday.

???

I am assuming you would also bring back National Service?

Posted this on the EFL thread earlier but probably more appropriate here.


It's getting well out of hand now. It's not just people running on the pitch to celebrate, its cretins targeting opposition players and staff. It has happened at three  grounds this week.

The authorities need to stamp this out. They should impose ground closures on offending clubs, perhaps even point deductions, and the police should arrest as many trespassers as they can, with the culprits being given fines and banning orders. Anyone found guilty of assaulting a player or official should be given jail time and life bans.

Don't want to come across as too much of a reactionary, but the alternative is to reintroduce fencing which no one wants to see.

Quoted from Mayaman

I can do without it.  I will carry on watching Ho Chi Minh City where you can stand and have a beer while watching the game or even get bought a beer by opposition fans.  Where's Brian Clough when you need him?

I bet the beer is reasonably priced too? Used to go watch FC Seoul in Korea a lot. All the stadiums there have convenience stores on the concourse that are exactly the same price as the convenience stores all around Korea. No stitching you up with ridiculous prices because they know you're gonna buy a beer whatever the cost like they do here in the UK.

Quoted from male private Nale

Glad to see someone is seeing the bigger picture. I stated in an earlier post the previous style of fencing was like an obstacle on the krypton factor, something that is easily scalable moving forward these fences need to be much higher sloping inwards.

Britain is a nation of war, always has been always will be, the fact that we have not been able to deploy our young men on such battlefields to overcome belligerent nations or subdue restless natives is now beginning to show in society. These fellows need theatres to act out their base instinct to fight (which runs strong through the British race) and if the government are no longer able to provide them then they will create their own in places such as football stadiums and town centres on a Saturday.

You're absolutely right. I've been itching to hurt someone all week because my job isn't violent. Can't wait to at least boot the cat when I get home.

So can Veira be classed as a football hooligan, shouldn’t have been on the pitch,that’s what his marked out area is for and also attacked another person.?

Quoted from smokey111

???

I am assuming you would also bring back National Service?

National service is no good if our armed forces are idle

Quoted from male private Nale

National service is no good if our armed forces are idle

Putin's working on that....

There will doubtless be a few "idiots" on Monday whose sole objective will be to invade the pitch/cause trouble irrespective of the result - it really gets up my nose that these low life specimens are referred to as "fans" they are most certainly not.
I have always indicated my feelings positive or negative from the terrace/stands & never felt the urge to encroach on to the playing surface - which I believe is an offence anyway.
I'm all for fines or even prison as a deterrent (which will doubtless go down like a lead balloon with some on here) - but how do you enforce a lifetime ban?
Anyway let us hope for a trouble free evening on Monday a win & on to Wrexham.
UTM.

Quoted from mariner91

You're absolutely right. I've been itching to hurt someone all week because my job isn't violent. Can't wait to at least boot the cat when I get home.

Steady on Kurt. Is your brother Yohann going to film it too?

Quoted from Gaffer58

So can Veira be classed as a football hooligan, shouldn’t have been on the pitch,that’s what his marked out area is for and also attacked another person.?

The away changing rooms are on the other side of the pitch to the dugouts, so it's the norm for the manager to cross the pitch at Goodison at full time.

I hope nobody attacks Hursty nor the 60+ shy and very frail Dave Moore

Quoted from male private Nale

Glad to see someone is seeing the bigger picture. I stated in an earlier post the previous style of fencing was like an obstacle on the krypton factor, something that is easily scalable moving forward these fences need to be much higher sloping inwards.

Britain is a nation of war, always has been always will be, the fact that we have not been able to deploy our young men on such battlefields to overcome belligerent nations or subdue restless natives is now beginning to show in society. These fellows need theatres to act out their base instinct to fight (which runs strong through the British race) and if the government are no longer able to provide them then they will create their own in places such as football stadiums and town centres on a Saturday.

Why not just join a boxing club or a martial arts club, fully supportive of combat sports and enjoy them. But these are sports and that is all they are.

If 21st-century man cannot work out A sensible way to release aggression with all of the opportunities that there are this is pathetic

Quoted from mariner91

You're absolutely right. I've been itching to hurt someone all week because my job isn't violent. Can't wait to at least boot the cat when I get home.

Ah I see we have a malingerer within our ranks.

Quoted from male private Nale

Ah I see we have a malingerer within our ranks.

I'd do virtually anything to avoid a dust up as I'm a massive pussy

Quoted from male private Nale

Glad to see someone is seeing the bigger picture. I stated in an earlier post the previous style of fencing was like an obstacle on the krypton factor, something that is easily scalable moving forward these fences need to be much higher sloping inwards.

Britain is a nation of war, always has been always will be, the fact that we have not been able to deploy our young men on such battlefields to overcome belligerent nations or subdue restless natives is now beginning to show in society. These fellows need theatres to act out their base instinct to fight (which runs strong through the British race) and if the government are no longer able to provide them then they will create their own in places such as football stadiums and town centres on a Saturday.

It's not an urge to fight though is it?  It's an urge to be a helmet.  

The cretin from the Leicester end who attacked the Forest players wasn't after a fight.  He cowardly blind sided them to get a cheap shot in.  The cretin from the Forest end who headbutted Billy Sharp wasn't interested in a fight, he ran off afterwards.  The bit the condom didn't catch at Goodison wasn't after a fight with Viera, he excrement himself as soon as he realised Viera didn't want to take that.  Just like his mates who gave it the big 'un by pushing Viera and then absolutely dropping everything in their pants the moment he turns round on them.  Look at the video again, you've got one man who is slowly walking towards a group of drips who are on the back foot desperate to avoid a pasting from him.  That's not spoiling for a fight, it's cowardly.

This has been repeated countless times by countless people, but this isn't a problem exclusive to football.  Unfortunately football is just the vessel these brain dead turds attach themselves too and drag it down into the gutter with them.  Society will do little to resolve this situation though.  Football authorities are going to take a hard line and stance on this to state that this isn't acceptable behaviour in our game.  

The moron who headbutted Billy Sharp was given a 24 week prison term for the assault.  His punishment for invading the pitch was dropped.  I know it's near impossible to arrest and imprison everyone who took part in the pitch invasion.  But what kind of message does that send when they've got someone, concrete evidence and they drop it?  

You can see it coming a mile off.  Clubs will get points deductions before long.  Perhaps that'll be the only way, clubs will be desperate to avoid seeing pitch invasions and fans will end up policing themselves.

I remember in our 2009/10 relegation season towards the end of the season against Torquay and getting thumped 3-0 at BP by them, a bit of a crowd invaded the pitch at the end and ran to the away end. One crackhead looking lad fronted up to some Torquay players with that arms stretched out thing that dickheads do. I would've loved to have seen one of their players just lamp him one Cloughie style. Thing is, if anyone invading the pitch looking to assault a player but ends up getting assaulted themselves would just go crying to claims direct.

Quoted from diehardmariner

It's not an urge to fight though is it?  It's an urge to be a helmet.  

The cretin from the Leicester end who attacked the Forest players wasn't after a fight.  He cowardly blind sided them to get a cheap shot in.  The cretin from the Forest end who headbutted Billy Sharp wasn't interested in a fight, he ran off afterwards.  The bit the condom didn't catch at Goodison wasn't after a fight with Viera, he excrement himself as soon as he realised Viera didn't want to take that.  Just like his mates who gave it the big 'un by pushing Viera and then absolutely dropping everything in their pants the moment he turns round on them.  Look at the video again, you've got one man who is slowly walking towards a group of drips who are on the back foot desperate to avoid a pasting from him.  That's not spoiling for a fight, it's cowardly.

This has been repeated countless times by countless people, but this isn't a problem exclusive to football.  Unfortunately football is just the vessel these brain dead turds attach themselves too and drag it down into the gutter with them.  Society will do little to resolve this situation though.  Football authorities are going to take a hard line and stance on this to state that this isn't acceptable behaviour in our game.  

The moron who headbutted Billy Sharp was given a 24 week prison term for the assault.  His punishment for invading the pitch was dropped.  I know it's near impossible to arrest and imprison everyone who took part in the pitch invasion.  But what kind of message does that send when they've got someone, concrete evidence and they drop it?  

You can see it coming a mile off.  Clubs will get points deductions before long.  Perhaps that'll be the only way, clubs will be desperate to avoid seeing pitch invasions and fans will end up policing themselves.

It's an indicator of how thick they were that they were prepared to have a go at Patrick Viera. In his playing days he was perfectly happy to mix it up regularly with Roy Keane! Good luck with that lads.....

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

It's an indicator of how thick they were that they were prepared to have a go at Patrick Viera. In his playing days he was perfectly happy to mix it up regularly with Roy Keane! Good luck with that lads.....

In his playing days, he was tall, lean, athletic and as hard as nails. Now he's tall and built like a brick shitehouse (middle age spread gets most of us). I presume the hard as nails bit hasn't changed. Like most on here, I could only have hoped that he'd give the cretin taunting him a bit of a pasting. Probably better to leave it and head home to his family in their (no doubt) multi-million pound mansion.

Looking at this from GTFC's point of view, it's a delicate one to manage.

We'll have had just over a week to prepare for the Notts Co game. We know demand outstripped supply, hence we'll have some Town fans in the home end.

We already feel, as a fan base, under attack from the authorities, treating all fans as scum. Our last trip to County was twisted by a journalist to paint us in a bad light and morally, and emotionally, a section of fans take umbrage at that and possibly seek retribution.

But the best way to respond to that report, and our misrepresentation in the press, is to be as good as gold on Monday — no matter how hard that might be.

We have a chance to set a good example. I really hope we take it.

What we don't need now is a plea for good behaviour from the club. I reckon they must feel tempted — but by believing that a plea is necessary, it presupposes that we would cause trouble.

I think the best thing the club can do is not say anything, give the fans a chance to show good behaviour no matter the performance or result, and if it all goes to shít and there's trouble then absolutely no one — not the CEO or the owners — can be blamed if we lose 3pm kick-offs, have games moved to Friday night or feel like we're being over-policed.

You reap what you sow. We have to trust each other that Monday night will pass without incident. I hope the trust is repaid to the club, and each other.

Quoted from GYinScuntland

Port Vale fans reported to attack Swindon players and Everton not covering themselves in glory either by all accounts.
Where does it stop?

Another " isolated incident "

Quoted from Manchester Mariner

I remember in our 2009/10 relegation season towards the end of the season against Torquay and getting thumped 3-0 at BP by them, a bit of a crowd invaded the pitch at the end and ran to the away end. One crackhead looking lad fronted up to some Torquay players with that arms stretched out thing that dickheads do. I would've loved to have seen one of their players just lamp him one Cloughie style. Thing is, if anyone invading the pitch looking to assault a player but ends up getting assaulted themselves would just go crying to claims direct.

I think McAtee summed it up from a players perspective quite well last night.

[url]https://twitter.com/johnmcatee161/status/1527406855756075022?t=RdmNMGuudoU2_OK8iy1G0Q&s=19[/url]

Quoted from male private Nale

Glad to see someone is seeing the bigger picture. I stated in an earlier post the previous style of fencing was like an obstacle on the krypton factor, something that is easily scalable moving forward these fences need to be much higher sloping inwards.

Britain is a nation of war, always has been always will be, the fact that we have not been able to deploy our young men on such battlefields to overcome belligerent nations or subdue restless natives is now beginning to show in society. These fellows need theatres to act out their base instinct to fight (which runs strong through the British race) and if the government are no longer able to provide them then they will create their own in places such as football stadiums and town centres on a Saturday.

I'll chip in for a one way ticket to Kyiv for some of them.

Is my memory playing tricks with me, a few seasons when we avoided relegation, the last home we were told not to go on the pitch, so that the players could do a lap of appreciation to the fans.

Quoted from RichMariner

Looking at this from GTFC's point of view, it's a delicate one to manage.

We'll have had just over a week to prepare for the Notts Co game. We know demand outstripped supply, hence we'll have some Town fans in the home end.

We already feel, as a fan base, under attack from the authorities, treating all fans as scum. Our last trip to County was twisted by a journalist to paint us in a bad light and morally, and emotionally, a section of fans take umbrage at that and possibly seek retribution.

But the best way to respond to that report, and our misrepresentation in the press, is to be as good as gold on Monday — no matter how hard that might be.

We have a chance to set a good example. I really hope we take it.

What we don't need now is a plea for good behaviour from the club. I reckon they must feel tempted — but by believing that a plea is necessary, it presupposes that we would cause trouble.

I think the best thing the club can do is not say anything, give the fans a chance to show good behaviour no matter the performance or result, and if it all goes to shít and there's trouble then absolutely no one — not the CEO or the owners — can be blamed if we lose 3pm kick-offs, have games moved to Friday night or feel like we're being over-policed.

You reap what you sow. We have to trust each other that Monday night will pass without incident. I hope the trust is repaid to the club, and each other.

Agreed but what happens when fans don’t do anything and still face heavy handed policing and incompetent stewarding? Whatever happened when Derbyshires finest literally lied about trouble at chesterfield that day?

Equally, anyone that took the time to have a sensible chat with our liaison coppers will know the Notts county debacle this year wasn’t anything like what was reported and they too were blind sided by a snide report.

There’s a fine balance and the inconsistency across the board to working with football fans doesn’t half cause issues. Borehamwood away, 3 nob heads in the pub, rightfully thrown out, they get to the ground, still being dicks, little happens. Father in law, calmest bloke ever, not touched a drop and then get searched and hassled…makes zero sense…

I can remember the euphoria when we beat Exeter 1991 and ran on the pitch to celebrate.

I have also have been on other side, when we played Gateshead in play-off semi-final in 2014 I was pitch side working as a photographer for GTFC that day. I threaten by a knob who invaded the pitch after the final whistle, luckily I had my tripod in my hand and told him I would rap it round his head if he got any closer he turned towards the town supporters and started gloating, I had to leave the ground promptly for my own safety no police or stewards on hand to assist.

These days I would happy to stay behind and applaud the players from the stands allowing the players, background staff etc to walk around the ground on the pitch.

A small number of tickets have already been cancelled by Notts,anyone on here?

Sold over 10k tickets already so it should be a good atmosphere

The ‘pitch invasion’ can be managed. The crowd are instructed to stay off the pitch and let the players do a lap of honour/appreciation. Once completed and the players are safe the crowd is allowed on. If the players then want to come out of the dressing room to join in then they can.  Those of us that don’t want to go onto the pitch can still show our appreciation then feck off home ( or in my case the pub). Job done !!

Simple way to stop it, if 5 or more home side fans ( you'll always get some uncontrolable kn@bheads ) invade the pitch then the home team forfiet the game ( assuming they won or drew )

Quoted from RichMariner

Looking at this from GTFC's point of view, it's a delicate one to manage.

We'll have had just over a week to prepare for the Notts Co game. We know demand outstripped supply, hence we'll have some Town fans in the home end.

We already feel, as a fan base, under attack from the authorities, treating all fans as scum. Our last trip to County was twisted by a journalist to paint us in a bad light and morally, and emotionally, a section of fans take umbrage at that and possibly seek retribution.

But the best way to respond to that report, and our misrepresentation in the press, is to be as good as gold on Monday — no matter how hard that might be.

We have a chance to set a good example. I really hope we take it.

What we don't need now is a plea for good behaviour from the club. I reckon they must feel tempted — but by believing that a plea is necessary, it presupposes that we would cause trouble.

I think the best thing the club can do is not say anything, give the fans a chance to show good behaviour no matter the performance or result, and if it all goes to shít and there's trouble then absolutely no one — not the CEO or the owners — can be blamed if we lose 3pm kick-offs, have games moved to Friday night or feel like we're being over-policed.

You reap what you sow. We have to trust each other that Monday night will pass without incident. I hope the trust is repaid to the club, and each other.

Good Lord, what are you expecting Millwall away?
This match will pass peacefully as it should. I think you’ve got that Friday feeling and are getting a little bit too excited

Seems to me that there needs to be a smarter way of preventing fans running on to the pitch.
The Play Offs seem to be the cause for all divisions.
One option is to not have Play Offs ie just promote and relegate teams at the end of the season based on their points accumulation - that used to be the norm.
Or - Football Association develops at temporary barrier system to be employed at every Play Off venue at the end of the season - as it seems to be their decision to have Play Offs.

All for changes in law regards attacking any sportsperson plying their trade, not just football , heavy sentencing,  lifetime bans, matchday reporting to police stations for offenders, etc.
Hopefully Sheffield or Notts M.P's may lead the call for this, however accepting that this would take changes in statute and therefore time to put in place  if The Mariners Trust could maybe organise a charity game before any such severe punishments were in place and invite club legends like Lee Hughes, Dave Challinor  Harry Pell etc for a final send off that would be just dandy.

On the positive, anyone remember that pitch invasion at Braintree? High profile, pressure situation, away team wins, decent pitch invasion and genuine excitement, no nob heads and everyone went home happy…aside from Braintree.

They can happen and not be ruined by bellends…anyway, see you Monday, don’t forget ya yeo, ya flares and the bovver boots…

Quoted from Squinter

Simple way to stop it, if 5 or more home side fans ( you'll always get some uncontrolable kn@bheads ) invade the pitch then the home team forfiet the game ( assuming they won or drew )

That would ensure me and 4 of my friends with non GY postcodes would be on the pitch as soon as Notts scored.

Quoted from psgmariner

That would ensure me and 4 of my friends with non GY postcodes would be on the pitch as soon as Notts scored.

Yeah but having 'Young's' written across your chest might give it away

Quoted from Teestogreen

Seems to me that there needs to be a smarter way of preventing fans running on to the pitch.
The Play Offs seem to be the cause for all divisions.
One option is to not have Play Offs ie just promote and relegate teams at the end of the season based on their points accumulation - that used to be the norm.
Or - Football Association develops at temporary barrier system to be employed at every Play Off venue at the end of the season - as it seems to be their decision to have Play Offs.

That was rubbish.  The season was over for many teams way too early. The play off formula is much more exciting.

Quoted from Squinter

Yeah but having 'Young's' written across your chest might give it away

Cross out the 's' and act like a teenager.

Quoted from male private Nale

Glad to see someone is seeing the bigger picture. I stated in an earlier post the previous style of fencing was like an obstacle on the krypton factor, something that is easily scalable moving forward these fences need to be much higher sloping inwards.

Britain is a nation of war, always has been always will be, the fact that we have not been able to deploy our young men on such battlefields to overcome belligerent nations or subdue restless natives is now beginning to show in society. These fellows need theatres to act out their base instinct to fight (which runs strong through the British race) and if the government are no longer able to provide them then they will create their own in places such as football stadiums and town centres on a Saturday.

The idea that being British somehow makes you want to fight is laughable. Lots of countries around the world with much more violent histories but it doesn’t mean adults are violent. We have a very weird idea that being masculine means drinking and fighting and acting like a total bell end. If some of these cretins acted like real men they would take more responsibility for themselves and their families. Anyway just going to watch the news now to see Russia ‘subdue some restless natives.’

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The idea that being British somehow makes you want to fight is laughable. Lots of countries around the world with much more violent histories but it doesn’t mean adults are violent. We have a very weird idea that being masculine means drinking and fighting and acting like a total bell end. If some of these cretins acted like real men they would take more responsibility for themselves and their families. Anyway just going to watch the news now to see Russia ‘subdue some restless natives.’

Balderdash, I would love to see your list of countries that throughout history have been in more conflict than this island race.....

To quote Wellington our men are 'scum of the earth' and that doesn't get eradicated through a woke culture that has been around for half a tomato season.

The desire to fight, cause disruption, be a tribal menace remains strong in this nations men, channeled correctly it brings out a great armed force, left to its own devices it bubbles and erupts in places like town centres and football stadiums.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Good Lord, what are you expecting Millwall away?
This match will pass peacefully as it should. I think you’ve got that Friday feeling and are getting a little bit too excited

So what about all those who have got tickets for the home end.  Are they going to just sit there quietly when Town score?  I don't think so, and I'm guessing that it will then kick off, and that could cause major problems for the club/

Quoted from 123614

So what about all those who have got tickets for the home end.  Are they going to just sit there quietly when Town score?  I don't think so, and I'm guessing that it will then kick off, and that could cause major problems for the club/

Please don't be so presumptious as we might not score at all. Best not to tempt any kind of fate!!!!

PLEASE, wherever you sit, PLEASE, just behave yourselves.

Quoted from 123614

So what about all those who have got tickets for the home end.  Are they going to just sit there quietly when Town score?  I don't think so, and I'm guessing that it will then kick off, and that could cause major problems for the club/

The problem has been caused by Notts County or the Police or both not allowing us to have the whole away section, beacuse they want the home advantage to benefit them, knowing we would sell 4K+.  In past County have given the the full allocation to the away team in the play-offs, Coventry springs to mind, so whats the difference.
Surely its easier to Police a large away following if you are in the same area, by limiting the numbers, they are forcing fans into sections of the home end who are desperate to see their team or turning up without tickets, in the hope of getting one from the touts. How many in the home end remains to be seen.

Quoted from 123614

So what about all those who have got tickets for the home end.  Are they going to just sit there quietly when Town score?  I don't think so, and I'm guessing that it will then kick off, and that could cause major problems for the club/

I imagine the fans who have got tickets for the county end will be the type of fan who can sit there quietly and watch a game without drawing attention to themselves, it’s hardly going to be the Cleethorpes beach patrol in there, relax

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

I imagine the fans who have got tickets for the county end will be the type of fan who can sit there quietly and watch a game without drawing attention to themselves, it’s hardly going to be the Cleethorpes beach patrol in there, relax

CBP k2k

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

I imagine the fans who have got tickets for the county end will be the type of fan who can sit there quietly and watch a game without drawing attention to themselves, it’s hardly going to be the Cleethorpes beach patrol in there, relax

Didn’t kick off in the league game, didn’t kick off at scunny when it happened, nor Lincoln, nor Chesterfield…

Quoted from Mayaman

That was rubbish.  The season was over for many teams way too early. The play off formula is much more exciting.

Ask Billy Sharp if he is excited? F.A. need to protect the players - employees of football clubs - or just drop the idea of Play Offs altogether imo

Quoted from Teestogreen

Ask Billy Sharp if he is excited? F.A. need to protect the players - employees of football clubs - or just drop the idea of Play Offs altogether imo

Barrel of laughs you…

Pretty sure Billy might be struggling to laugh 🥴

At the end of the day the clubs are responsible for crowd control within their stadiums.  In crucial games such as play off matches, they need to ensure they have adequate stewarding and police in attendance. If they don't then I am afraid they must accept that there will be consequences.

I think the scenes we have seen this last week would justify a penalty of playing a few games behind closed doors. Of perhaps a points deduction. The latter especially in cases where opposition staff or players are assaulted.

Quoted from Teestogreen

Pretty sure Billy might be struggling to laugh 🥴

Are you dim enough to think this would mean a player who have benefitted greatly through promotion and playoffs would say it’s a excrement idea simply because one nob head pushed him over?

Quoted from male private Nale

Balderdash, I would love to see your list of countries that throughout history have been in more conflict than this island race.....

To quote Wellington our men are 'scum of the earth' and that doesn't get eradicated through a woke culture that has been around for half a tomato season.

The desire to fight, cause disruption, be a tribal menace remains strong in this nations men, channeled correctly it brings out a great armed force, left to its own devices it bubbles and erupts in places like town centres and football stadiums.

If I've got this right you suggest woke culture is eradicating our men being the scum of the Earth. How is that a bad thing?

Maybe you can explain exactly what woke culture means to you because if it means not acting like an arseho1e I'm all for it.

Quoted from aldi_01

Are you dim enough to think this would mean a player who have benefitted greatly through promotion and playoffs would say it’s a excrement idea simply because one nob head pushed him over?

😂

Quoted from RonMariner

At the end of the day the clubs are responsible for crowd control within their stadiums.  In crucial games such as play off matches, they need to ensure they have adequate stewarding and police in attendance. If they don't then I am afraid they must accept that there will be consequences.

I think the scenes we have seen this last week would justify a penalty of playing a few games behind closed doors. Of perhaps a points deduction. The latter especially in cases where opposition staff or players are assaulted.

Whoever it is that makes up the rules about having to have Play Offs (to make it more exciting), should be accountable for the crowd control needed to exercise the rules they have decided. Imo

Just stay off the pitch unless you're a simpleton.If you're a simpleton then go on the pitch and blame someone else for you been allowed to get on there ...... Ffs

Quoted from Teestogreen

Whoever it is that makes up the rules about having to have Play Offs (to make it more exciting), should be accountable for the crowd control needed to exercise the rules they have decided. Imo

People should be able to sit down for 2 hours and watch a bunch of men kick a bag of air around without acting like total cretins. Or should events be stopped altogether so that no crowd trouble can possibly happen?

Quoted from pen penfras

People should be able to sit down for 2 hours and watch a bunch of men kick a bag of air around without acting like total cretins. Or should events be stopped altogether so that no crowd trouble can possibly happen?

First sentence - yes
Second sentence - no

A couple of shoulds. What actually happens can be totally different

Quoted from Teestogreen

First sentence - yes
Second sentence - no

A couple of shoulds. What actually happens can be totally different

Yea, but you can't blame the people who organise an event for the behaviour of the people that attend it. You can say it's not been managed correctly, however there's a royal whingeathon on here every time there's a restriction put in place at a game.

Management is low down the controls of risk assessment.

So thousands of people have taken part in celebratory pitch invasions across the country, 3 people have been bellends…not entirely sure that’s the organisers of a competitions fault, nor is it the fault of fans.

It’s the fault of the morons and nobody else, and whilst we can talk about societal shifts and cultural changes and so forth, in this context all I saw in the case of Sharp was a fat moron running full pelt and pushing him over…nothing else can be blamed for that other than the person doing it…

Quoted from Teestogreen

Ask Billy Sharp if he is excited? F.A. need to protect the players - employees of football clubs - or just drop the idea of Play Offs altogether imo

Why not just drop the idea of promotion and relegation altogether in order to prevent any risk of emotion in the crowd...? Job done

Quoted from toontown

Why not just drop the idea of promotion and relegation altogether in order to prevent any risk of emotion in the crowd...? Job done

This is an excellent idea, so much so I think the decision should be backdated to about 2002 or, even better, about 1939.

Quoted from aldi_01

So thousands of people have taken part in celebratory pitch invasions across the country, 3 people have been bellends…not entirely sure that’s the organisers of a competitions fault, nor is it the fault of fans.

It’s the fault of the morons and nobody else, and whilst we can talk about societal shifts and cultural changes and so forth, in this context all I saw in the case of Sharp was a fat moron running full pelt and pushing him over…nothing else can be blamed for that other than the person doing it…

Ok to take this point one stage further. A person who owns a BMW ( or any other car ) decides to drink in excess of the drink drive limit and ends up losing control of his car and kills two pedestrians. Who is to blame ? The car manufacturer for producing a powerful car? The person/persons who served him the drink ? The highway authority for building the road so they could drive the car on an appropriate surface ? The petrol station for providing the fuel? Or ,heaven forbid, the driver who knew what he was doing was wrong but did it anyway ?
All I know is that, regardless of the circumstances, you don't drink and drive . Also, as a spectator at a football ground,  you don't go on the pitch. If fans can't be trusted to follow this simple instruction then, sadly , the only alternative is to put up means to prevent them accessing the pitch.

Quoted from rancido

Ok to take this point one stage further. A person who owns a BMW ( or any other car ) decides to drink in excess of the drink drive limit and ends up losing control of his car and kills two pedestrians. Who is to blame ? The car manufacturer for producing a powerful car? The person/persons who served him the drink ? The highway authority for building the road so they could drive the car on an appropriate surface ? The petrol station for providing the fuel? Or ,heaven forbid, the driver who knew what he was doing was wrong but did it anyway ?
All I know is that, regardless of the circumstances, you don't drink and drive . Also, as a spectator at a football ground,  you don't go on the pitch. If fans can't be trusted to follow this simple instruction then, sadly , the only alternative is to put up means to prevent them accessing the pitch.

That’s kinda my point yet we've people on here suggesting the authorities are somewhat to blame and so forth.

As I’ve said, the accountability in this instance lands solely at the feet of thr fat idiot that pushed him over. That person has been dealt with rightly so.

Sadly, preventative measures or not, in large numbers of folk there’ll always be one moron. In this instance, the reassuring factor is how swiftly this has been dealt with…

The inconsistency in approach however, that is a concern…

They are going to need new goals at the Etihad

I see the simpletons have been at it in Manchester . Assault on the Villa keeper and wrecked their own goals .....

Parents letting their children help demolish the goals it seems - conclusion - Morons

Literally the entire bottom tier…also, only alleged. Rob has mentioned numerous times about only stating facts, hence why honest John stopped DMing us all and threatening to sue us…

Interesting that some footage I saw, a city player was not happy with the steward ragging him about…

Match of the day tonight - Premier League and FA  -players place of work - these misdemeanours have to stop - which moron keeps trying to vote this down.
UTM

Behind closed doors for the first month of the season for ALL premier league clubs... they don't need the gate attendance money and SLY SPORTS do a tremendous job of mimicking crowd noises etc. for the enjoyment of all and the safety of the players.

Quoted from male private Nale

Behind closed doors for the first month of the season for ALL premier league clubs... they don't need the gate attendance money and SLY SPORTS do a tremendous job of mimicking crowd noises etc. for the enjoyment of all and the safety of the players.

You alright hun?

Would it be awfully cynical of me to suggest that policing and stewards are expensive and the clubs need to get their hands in their pockets to provide a 'bigger barrier'. And I'm not saying this to condone the pillocks who do things like belting a player as they go past.

I am always impressed by the 'barriers' at Wembley, simple but very effective (the kind of no man's land that includes a lattice between the fans and the ad boards).

Quoted from male private Nale

Behind closed doors for the first month of the season for ALL premier league clubs... they don't need the gate attendance money and SLY SPORTS do a tremendous job of mimicking crowd noises etc. for the enjoyment of all and the safety of the players.

Totally agree, the pitch needs to be a place of safety and expression for players. It must be awful knowing some stone island wearing knuckle dragger could attack at any time whilst you are just doing your job

Quoted from aldi_01

You alright hun?

If you are referring to my Germanic ancestry I prefer Boche and as you ask I am fine, thanks for the query I do appreciate it.

Quoted from male private Nale

Behind closed doors for the first month of the season for ALL premier league clubs... they don't need the gate attendance money and SLY SPORTS do a tremendous job of mimicking crowd noises etc. for the enjoyment of all and the safety of the players.

Why just Premiersh*t clubs ? Extend it to all League Clubs.

Quoted from rancido

Why just Premiersh*t clubs ? Extend it to all League Clubs.

Here, here ... you are right I forgot the main incident was a championship club, I foolishly thought it was just Everton and Man City. Happy to be corrected. let's see if they really do have those player's safety at heart.

simple put a fence up on the last game of the season / if in a scenario that may cause a pitch invasion.  Not sure why some think at the start of the season as I don't think I've ever seen a pitch invasion at the start its usually at the end.

Quoted from Teestogreen

Ask Billy Sharp if he is excited? F.A. need to protect the players - employees of football clubs - or just drop the idea of Play Offs altogether imo

It's nothing to do with the play offs.  That could happen in the last game of the season.  Let's just stop promotion then people won't get excited at all.

What everyone cryarsing over the playoffs, someone ran on and twatted Harry Pell mid season…there was barely an outcry…

Quoted from Meza

simple put a fence up on the last game of the season / if in a scenario that may cause a pitch invasion.  Not sure why some think at the start of the season as I don't think I've ever seen a pitch invasion at the start its usually at the end.

I don't think it is that simple to just put a fence up to be fair.