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Quoted from GollyGTFC

I don’t see what the FA have done wrong? They can’t pass on rumours that might lead to someone not getting a job as that would leave them open to possible legal action. I’ve not seen any reports that the alleged incidents have results in a criminal case, so it’s just unsubstantiated hearsay from a legal point of view.

Quite right. He never was charged, therefore is a "man without a stain on his character", and yet on this site, there are people who seem to know everything about him, and will blacken him.
Just to remind you, we had employed a "convicted rapist", and I can't remember anyone basically bothered about it.
Funny old world.

Quoted from GrimPol

Quite right. He never was charged, therefore is a "man without a stain on his character", and yet on this site, there are people who seem to know everything about him, and will blacken him.
Just to remind you, we had employed a "convicted rapist", and I can't remember anyone basically bothered about it.
Funny old world.

wtf are you talking about

Quoted from GrimPol

Quite right. He never was charged, therefore is a "man without a stain on his character", and yet on this site, there are people who seem to know everything about him, and will blacken him.
Just to remind you, we had employed a "convicted rapist", and I can't remember anyone basically bothered about it.
Funny old world.

Before spouting get it right...
He was convicted of "sex with a minor"....and if you bothered to read what happened he wasn't at fault, the girl was in a night club so he, as most of us would have, presumed she was of consenting age... absolutely nowhere near the bounds of "rape"!..in fact if I were you, I'd delete your reply..

Quoted from Hagrid

wtf are you talking about

I don't require anybody to write to me like that.
If you want an answer to a question, ask the question properly, or not at all.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Before spouting get it right...
He was convicted of "sex with a minor"....and if you bothered to read what happened he wasn't at fault, the girl was in a night club so he, as most of us would have, presumed she was of consenting age... absolutely nowhere near the bounds of "rape"!..in fact if I were you, I'd delete your reply..

Sex with a minor is "Statutory Rape".
I understand the sequence of events as what happened to MJ. Nevertheless, it is what it is.
My point was that people who absolutely know nothing about a case, post blackening comments about a person's character.
Obviously, you beg to differ.

Quoted from GrimPol

Sex with a minor is "Statutory Rape".
I understand the sequence of events as what happened to MJ. Nevertheless, it is what it is.
My point was that people who absolutely know nothing about a case, post blackening comments about a person's character.
Obviously, you beg to differ.

Oh c'mon, there's splitting hairs then there's this...to state "a convicted rapist" in the tone in which you used had nothing to do with the MJ facts of conviction...now if you'd said "we employed someone convicted of statutory rape, through no fault of his own" that wouldn't have my alarm bells ringing.
Now, I can tell you their now sacked manager was renowned for bullying and misogyny, so I'm not in the least surprised what's now come out...where as MJ was a decent bloke, just like to swear a lot when he thought the microphones were off!!

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Oh c'mon, there's splitting hairs then there's this...to state "a convicted rapist" in the tone in which you used had nothing to do with the MJ facts of conviction...now if you'd said "we employed someone convicted of statutory rape, through no fault of his own" that wouldn't have my alarm bells ringing.
Now, I can tell you their now sacked manager was renowned for bullying and misogyny, so I'm not in the least surprised what's now come out...where as MJ was a decent bloke, just like to swear a lot when he thought the microphones were off!!

I believe people who have done their "time" so to speak, should be able to carry on within society.
MJ was thin-skinned, not something you need as a footy manager, and the way he was caught out, shows BBC RH in a poor light. Snidey or what? For a well-educated man, he forgot what utter poo media people are. Having said that, he didn't have to go, I guess JF used it as an excuse.
I personally warmed to him, and I don't think JF backed him properly. I think he would have done well if he stayed.

Quoted from GrimPol

MJ was thin-skinned, not something you need as a footy manager, and the way he was caught out, shows BBC RH in a poor light. Snidey or what? For a well-educated man, he forgot what utter poo media people are. Having said that, he didn't have to go, I guess JF used it as an excuse.
I personally warmed to him, and I don't think JF backed him properly. I think he would have done well if he stayed.

It's not just RH who have access to equipment that can record sound in the press room. I mean, most people in there have a mobile phone capable of doing so and there is a possibility that it could have been recorded by someone employed by the club at that time.

What kind of swearer are you?

Quoted from GrimPol

I believe people who have done their "time" so to speak, should be able to carry on within society.
MJ was thin-skinned, not something you need as a footy manager, and the way he was caught out, shows BBC RH in a poor light. Snidey or what? For a well-educated man, he forgot what utter poo media people are. Having said that, he didn't have to go, I guess JF used it as an excuse.
I personally warmed to him, and I don't think JF backed him properly. I think he would have done well if he stayed.

Why does it show BBC RH in poor light, it was recorded by someone else.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

It's not just RH who have access to equipment that can record sound in the press room. I mean, most people in there have a mobile phone capable of doing so and there is a possibility that it could have been recorded by someone employed by the club at that time.

What kind of swearer are you?

As far as I'm aware, he was in the presence of BBC RH personnel only. I mean sound recorders etc not just commentators.
Besides the heavy swearing, he steamed off about budgets, which JF would have been upset about.
If people listen in through keyholes, which this was, then that's what you'll get. Nothing was illegal on what he said, so nothing should have happened.
JF was variable on what was correct and proper practice. He got upset with MJ swearing in a private conversation, but it was OK to discuss business with known shysters.
What kind of swearer am I? Out of ear of women, children, and public. There is no need for it, as it soils relations.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Why does it show BBC RH in poor light, it was recorded by someone else.

Who recorded him?

Quoted from GrimPol

As far as I'm aware, he was in the presence of BBC RH personnel only. I mean sound recorders etc not just commentators.
Besides the heavy swearing, he steamed off about budgets, which JF would have been upset about.
If people listen in through keyholes, which this was, then that's what you'll get. Nothing was illegal on what he said, so nothing should have happened.
JF was variable on what was correct and proper practice. He got upset with MJ swearing in a private conversation, but it was OK to discuss business with known shysters.
What kind of swearer am I? Out of ear of women, children, and public. There is no need for it, as it soils relations.

As far as I'm aware there wasn't just BBC employees present in the press room when Jolley came storming in.

The devil, or not, is in the detail.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

As far as I'm aware there wasn't just BBC employees present in the press room when Jolley came storming in.

The transcript mentions David Burns, Matt Dean, Gwilym Lloyd, and John Tondeur in the room.
Who was with MJ I don't know, but there are unspecified techies in the room?

I believe it was a 'phone recording, hence there was premeditation. So who/why the recording.....?
We will never know.

Quoted from GrimPol

The transcript mentions David Burns, Matt Dean, Gwilym Lloyd, and John Tondeur in the room.
Who was with MJ I don't know, but there are unspecified techies in the room?

I believe it was a 'phone recording, hence there was premeditation. So who/why the recording.....?
We will never know.

Where is this transcript? All I recall is an audio recording which the media then provided a transcript of all the asterisks coming from Jolley and the very few words Matt Dean was given an opportunity to say in between all the asterisks.

My understanding is that it was in the press room straight after the game. The press room contains written journalists, photographers, club officials, scouts, data analysts etc so it literally could have been a wide number of people.

The current Chesterfield manager was at the game on Tuesday.

Non controversial, sorry.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Where is this transcript? All I recall is an audio recording in which the media then provided a transcript of all the asterisks coming from Jolley and the very few words Matt Dean was given an opportunity to say in between all the asterisks.

My understanding is that it was in the press room straight after the game. The press room contains written journalists, photographers, club officials, scouts, data analysts etc so it literally could have been a wide number of people.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/jolley-rant-humberside-transcript-recording-3549707
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/18/grimsby-town-michael-jolley-left-rant-reporters-audio

The Guardian piece, mentions that BBC RH gave JF the recording. So it's a BBC RH recording although not necessarily on their equipment.

The GT is just a verabatem transcript as such, with asterisks, the Guardian expands it, and makes a stab at making sense of it.

Quoted from GrimPol

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/jolley-rant-humberside-transcript-recording-3549707
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/nov/18/grimsby-town-michael-jolley-left-rant-reporters-audio

The Guardian piece, mentions that BBC RH gave JF the recording. So it's a BBC RH recording although not necessarily on their equipment.

The GT is just a verabatem transcript as such, with asterisks, the Guardian expands it, and makes a stab at making sense of it.

It seems clear to me that he's talking about Gwillym and Burnsy, not to them. At the end of the article, BBC Radio Humberside have said it was a matter for the club but it is understood no official complaint was made to Grimsby Town.

I don't know how you would pass something like that on without making a complaint. Mr Fenty is of course a truthful and upstanding man that blackmailed the Trust and morally took £200k that wasn't his, invited a convicted criminals money into the club and told us numerous times that his benign loans wouldn't hold the club back.

The audio got leaked on Twitter by an unknown but well informed Twitter account at the time. I doubt there was a proper video to see otherwise an already irate Jolley would have probably deconstructed it until it was no longer a threat. If there was a video, I would say it's likely to have been the clubs camera pointing at the sponsored backdrop and Jolley may have stood in front of it.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

It seems clear to me that he's talking about Gwillym and Burnsy, not to them. At the end of the article, BBC Radio Humberside have said it was a matter for the club but it is understood no official complaint was made to Grimsby Town.

I don't know how you would pass something like that on without making a complaint. Mr Fenty is of course a truthful and upstanding man that blackmailed the Trust and morally took £200k that wasn't his, invited a convicted criminals money into the club and told us numerous times that his benign loans wouldn't hold the club back.

The audio got leaked on Twitter by an unknown but well informed Twitter account at the time. I doubt there was a proper video to see otherwise an already irate Jolley would have probably deconstructed it until it was no longer a threat. If there was a video, I would say it's likely to have been the clubs camera pointing at the sponsored backdrop and Jolley may have stood in front of it.

It's got that Junior School playground thing of "Please Miss he stuck his tongue out to me" but serious adult lose your job.
Grimsby lost seven games on the bounce, last one 4-0. Couple that with someone who had never had to take the pressure, and found wanting and you get a 58 expletive tirade.
However, it was a private tirade, not on the air, not public, until poo1 thought it clever to Tweet it. Poo2 made a complaint, because they were shocked, to BBC RH management. Poo3 BBC RH passed on/made aware to JF that whilst not complaining or wanting action, he should listen to this shocking recording. Then poo4, used it to get rid of MJ because he couldn't stand the noise from the fans. Which I didn't think were that deafening to fair, certainly not as bad as anti PH in the middle of this season. That's my take.

I think there's a broader point here.

A huge outburst that involves swearing is unprofessional. Where I work it would probably constitute gross misconduct and would certainly be investigated from the position of safeguarding other workers rights to a safe working environment, being respected by their colleagues and possibly bullying.
For him to do it in the press room was either naive, stupid or planned (to get himself a pay off).
That and the fact that it was recorded also impacted on the image of his employers as an organisation (laughable in light of who his boss was but it should be considered).

The fact that it was recorded is actually immaterial, that's just how it became public. He was very likely to be fired just because he did it.

Quoted from GrimPol

It's got that Junior School playground thing of "Please Miss he stuck his tongue out to me" but serious adult lose your job.
Grimsby lost seven games on the bounce, last one 4-0. Couple that with someone who had never had to take the pressure, and found wanting and you get a 58 expletive tirade.
However, it was a private tirade, not on the air, not public, until poo1 thought it clever to Tweet it. Poo2 made a complaint, because they were shocked, to BBC RH management. Poo3 BBC RH passed on/made aware to JF that whilst not complaining or wanting action, he should listen to this shocking recording. Then poo4, used it to get rid of MJ because he couldn't stand the noise from the fans. Which I didn't think were that deafening to fair, certainly not as bad as anti PH in the middle of this season. That's my take.

That's not the timeline. The recording was passed to the club by RH. If that's not a complaint, then I don't know what it is. A disciplinary process was started of which the outcome had not been determined when MJ said he'd leave under mutual consent and the club agreed. There were rumours of inappropriate happenings but the majority didn't know what actually happened. Then MJ released a statement saying that he left under mutual consent that didn't make any reference to what happened and seemed like a statement intended to help secure a new job. Soon after, the recording got tweeted. Could have been by RH, could have been by somebody at the club. They probably both had reasons to be annoyed at the statement.