Burgess for Coke

https://twitter.com/officialgtfc/status/1492498773980987396?s=19

Another game, another wild, wet and windy day. Incredible how often the weather is bad on match day.

Better get wrapped up for this one.

I hope someone did some homework and they can breakdown the shots. better than they played against KL

Seems OK selection

I can't get BBC Sounds Radio Humberside.  They've rumbled me.  I even tried the TOR Browser.  Is my season over?

Quoted from Mayaman

I can't get BBC Sounds Radio Humberside.  They've rumbled me.  I even tried the TOR Browser.  Is my season over?

I’ve been using Nord VPN this season without problems. They might have a free month try before you buy option.

Quoted from Mayaman

I can't get BBC Sounds Radio Humberside.  They've rumbled me.  I even tried the TOR Browser.  Is my season over?

If you have a smart phone just download the Sounds app, then Google radio Humberside listen live click it and it’s we’ll take you to the app and keep you there.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

If you have a smart phone just download the Sounds app, then Google radio Humberside listen live click it and it’s we’ll take you to the app and keep you there.

May not work without a vpn

Quoted from ginnywings

Another game, another wild, wet and windy day. Incredible how often the weather is bad on match day.

Better get wrapped up for this one.

We had a few days where it was dry and clear too, suddenly today it's been so windy.

Thanks for the advice lads.  I've been using surfshark and it's worked until last week. I cant download the BBC sounds app even with a VPN it knows where I am still.

Quoted from Mayaman

Thanks for the advice lads.  I've been using surfshark and it's worked until last week. I cant download the BBC sounds app even with a VPN it knows where I am still.

Blimey I feel old…..I’ve got no idea what any on this thread means. I’ll get my coat…..

No Coke today, presumably because of that Times article. 😉

Quoted from mariners1

Blimey I feel old…..I’ve got no idea what any on this thread means. I’ll get my coat…..

A VPN (virtual private network) helps hide your location, so when you are abroad and not ‘allowed’ to receive a stream or broadcast it helps you receive it anyway .

Aldershot have won 4 of their last 6 away games, this is going to be no gimme.

Can’t find the commentary on BBC Sounds

Anyone got a link for commentary, bloody Humberside are forever changing it.

Quoted from 123614

Anyone got a link for commentary, bloody Humberside are forever changing it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/60183172 select the game from the scrolling boxes if it doesn't come up right away

TV Freeview Channel 721 if you've got a TV available.

Thanks guys

Get in 1-0 Town Sousa

Goal Sousa 1 - 0 up

Sousa! Pleased for him

Yesss Sousa at last(100)

Its a Birthday miricle! Not only has Sousa hit the target, but he's also scored  ;D ;D Get in Town

Get in

Chuffed to bits for Sousa

Promised the mrs I wouldn’t have a drink before we scored 😃😂😃😂😃

Sooooooooouuuuuusssssssaaaaaa

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Get in

Chuffed to bits for Sousa

Promised the mrs I wouldn’t have a drink before we scored 😃😂😃😂😃

Had a few lines though yeah ? :-)

Gone up to 8th, level on play off points 46

Really good solid start to the game from us

Quoted from DB

Gone up to 8th, level on play off points 46

Played more games than most, still think we can make the play-offs though.

hit the post, bit of a scramble and sousa rifled it into top corner from12 m out. don't look to be many there

scot garner puts the ball into his own net at boston

Quoted from chaos33

Had a few lines though yeah ? :-)

Yes





And hoping for the cane later!

Quoted from forza ivano

hit the post, bit of a scramble and sousa rifled it into top corner from12 m out. don't look to be many there

scot garner puts the ball into his own net at boston

Tbf, they hit their own post, and he was 5 yards out!

2.0 McAtee

Gerrrrrrr in

McAtee in there 2 - 0

Most excellent  :)

Bogle scores for Hartlepool

I'm in. Just got in a second before McAtee's goal.  UTM!!!    

Something to do with my VPN ironically

I am using the TOR browser.

Absolutely dominant

And a very good referee!

Another half like that please! Really good stuff, squad seems to be finding its feet after the changes through january

3 second half goals and we move into the play-off spots  ;)

Also mcatee is one away from double figures

The football's been good but it's absolutely freezing

Great pass by Taylor for Sousa's goal.  

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I didn't realise we'd played so many more games than the other teams.

So, why is the second half starting at ten past 4 on the radio?

Oooooooooooo

Them lot up the a180 are a goal down


(Don’t snigger at the back!)

Goooooooooaaaalllllll

Get in 3-0 Town...McAtee

Swindon 1-0 Scunny  8)

McAtee makes it 3

Yessssssssssss go on town! Thats 10 for mcatee

Goal McAtee 3 - 0 up  and going up

Get in!!!

Mcatee on for a hat trick now

Ok, so we have not had the third goal on radio yet.

Quoted from 123614

Ok, so we have not had the third goal on radio yet.

Think you're behind somehow. Try dragging the thing to the right of the bar or refreshing.

Quoted from 123614

Ok, so we have not had the third goal on radio yet.

Im on radio, might want to refresh your page or try pushing the slider on

Still not had it.

Ok thanks, odd though.

Good amount of time for scannel to show what hes got

Yes get Scannel on perfect run out from for him.

Could be real dark horses if scannel comes good and jordan maguire drew to come back too

Swindon 2-0 Scunny

Scunny & Hull losing, this is turning out to be a good day

Scunny now 3  down

When you are down at the bottom everything goes against you, Sunny losing but Oldham fighting, and now Walsall winning.

You are doomed Scunts haha.

Scunny 6 points adrift of 2nd from bottom Carlisle as it stands.

Tabonga stretchered off

The day gets better, Scunny and hull losing, joined by Boston and Donny. Lincoln drawing. Only one team winning Mighty Mariners, even though they let in a late goal.

Chesterfield striker Tshimanga carried off on a stretcher

Quoted from DB

The day gets better, Scunny and hull losing, joined by Boston and Donny. Lincoln drawing. Only one team winning Mighty Mariners, even though they let in a late goal.

Boston now drawing.

Back to winning ways, a good result that.

Great stuff that, were looking good again

Quoted from DB

The day gets better, Scunny and hull losing, joined by Boston and Donny. Lincoln drawing. Only one team winning Mighty Mariners, even though they let in a late goal.

And Bournemouth get a late winner from you know who...

taken from Chesterfield forum,  Tabonga's season looks to be over

Commentators saying legs in different directions and players from both sides looked distressed. Time for asante to step up. We know what he is capable of. Could be a turning point either way.

Lets see how they do without their star man like us.  

Always a risk when you’re that reliant on 1 player

Quoted from Meza

taken from Chesterfield forum,  Tabonga's season looks to be over

Commentators saying legs in different directions and players from both sides looked distressed. Time for asante to step up. We know what he is capable of. Could be a turning point either way.

Sad news for the player, like Chesterfield or not Tshimanga is a real talent, no gloating from me.

Akeem Rose scores late Weymouth equaliser!! Good lad

Chesterfield concede late - some kid called Akheem Rose!!!!!!!

7 points in a week


Not a bad return that

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

And Bournemouth get a late winner from you know who...

Do we get 25percent of his win bonus ?

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Me and my mates out for a night somewhere had a tenner apiece on 3-0. Feck. Great to see the result otherwise and it makes it even more of a shame that we didn't beat. King's Lynn.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

7 points in a week


Not a bad return that

And I think nearly all of us would have taken that, but that fecker reffing on Tuesday...

Always easier said than done but hard not to see 6 or 7 points from the next 3 aswell, all 9 wouldnt be that unbeleivable, southend been in good form but theyre not world beaters all of a sudden

Quoted from WHYWONTYOULETMESIGNUP

Always easier said than done but hard not to see 6 or 7 points from the next 3 aswell, all 9 wouldnt be that unbeleivable, southend been in good form but theyre not world beaters all of a sudden

They were 2 up at Woking after 10 mins but now 2-2 with about 20 mins left.

Edit- Cardwell scores for Southend to put them back in front.

Quoted from ginnywings

They were 2 up at Woking after 10 mins but now 2-2 with about 20 mins left.

Edit- Cardwell scores for Southend to put them back in front.

They are ion tremendous form at the moment. It will be a very tough game.

Hoping for a repeat of that famous Friday game from 1990 at Roots Hall.

It’s gonna be a tough one though.

Now that was a game.  I was there.  32 years ago.  Wow

Quoted from chaos33

Always a risk when you’re that reliant on 1 player

That is some overstatement there.

Why are they reliant on one player?

Maybe it is an overstatement. Probably debatable. Chesterfield have scored 51 league goals and he’s got 25 of them.

None of the top sides in this division have more than 2 or 3 players on 5 or more goals this season so I don’t see why Chesterfield are singled out as being overly reliant on one scorer.

And I doubt there are any others in the division who have one player who’s scored 50% (nigh on) of their total goals and nobody anywhere near 25 goals - hence my point.

He’s scored 9 more than second place. That’s why he cost what he did. After that Chesterfield have as many if not more scorers close to Tshimanga than most top sides if not all.

Cheek has scored 15 goals this season. None of their other players have even scored 5. If you are looking for a narrative of someone leaning on one goalscorer then there you go. The Thsimanga stuff is just wrong though, facts are facts.

Quoted from quebec38

He’s scored 9 more than second place. That’s why he cost what he did. After that Chesterfield have as many if not more scorers close to Tshimanga than most top sides if not all.

Cheek has scored 15 goals this season. None of their other players have even scored 5. If you are looking for a narrative of someone leaning on one goalscorer then there you go. The Thsimanga stuff is just wrong though, facts are facts.

You’ve lost me here mate. It’s a fact that he’s scored 50% of Chesterfield’s goals. Nobody else in the division has a stat anywhere near that. Not sure where Cheek comes into it? Sure he’s second top scorer in the Division on 15 goals for Bromley, but that’s just 37% of their total goals. In the list of the top 30 goalscorers in the national league this season, Chesterfield don’t have a single other player. Obviously Cheek is Bromley’s only representative, so I dare say you’d be right in thinking they’d suffer if they lost him. Are you trying to suggest Bromley are over-reliant on him?

After Tshimanga, Chesterfield’s next top scorer has 5 goals. Obviously we’ll see how they get on now. They’ll probably just go and buy another striker, but your ‘facts are facts’ point looks obtuse to me. I actually think, in terms of your argument, the reverse obtains, but then I would say that wouldn’t I.

Why does every thread end up in an argument/disagreement?

Seems some like jumping on anything to start one.

I think it’s fair to say Tshimanga will be a loss, any side would miss someone with a record like his (wish him well on recovery) - and I’ll set myself up now for someone to come and have a dig - not sure Chesterfield will go up anyway. They’ve ground results out rather than be impressive (a good quality to have) but think they’re struggling a bit more recently and I’d suggest Stockport win league and ‘a spoiler’ wins play offs.

I don’t think it’s an argument as such mate, and it’s not abusive or anything is it. Quebec thinks I made an overstatement….I’m not sure I did but am open to discussion about it. I’m a bit confused about the ‘facts are facts’ point as I think ‘facts’ have been conflated with stats - and as we all know, you can use stats and context to ‘prove’ anything. In this case, I think my argument, based on the stats is stronger but I’m not gonna lose it because it is challenged. That’s what the forum is for isn’t it. I think the salient points are : Tshimanga has scored 50% of Chesterfields goals and that is decisively incomparable. I think that has meant that their league position is due to that performance, substantially. Maybe ‘over reliant’ is a stretch, but I think there’d be broad agreement on this and the view that he’s unique in this division and a huge loss.

No problems from either me or chaos, marinerjase? Just two people debating something, no nastiness.

I see a lot that Chesterfield get called a one man team but I don’t think it’s true.

Of course Tshimanga has a higher percentage of goals in comparison to his team mates, he’s scored nearly 40% more than the second top scorer in the league. My point is though that they have as many players high up in the scoring charts close to Tshimanga as other teams so why are they deemed more reliant on him than any other side is their top scorer?

I don’t agree with what Chesterfield did last season and I think it’s stupid that they spent 250k on one player in division 5, but I think this criticism is unfair.

They don’t have ‘other players up there close to him in the scoring charts’ mate.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chesterfield/top-scorers

Quoted from quebec38

No problems from either me or chaos, marinerjase? Just two people debating something, no nastiness.

I see a lot that Chesterfield get called a one man team but I don’t think it’s true.

Of course Tshimanga has a higher percentage of goals in comparison to his team mates, he’s scored nearly 40% more than the second top scorer in the league. My point is though that they have as many players high up in the scoring charts close to Tshimanga as other teams so why are they deemed more reliant on him than any other side is their top scorer?

I don’t agree with what Chesterfield did last season and I think it’s stupid that they spent 250k on one player in division 5, but I think this criticism is unfair.

I think it's a pretty fair assessment. How many games this season has he turned 1 point in to 3 or 0 points in to 1 for Chesterfield? His goal at BP was an opportunistic poacher's goal that was extremely well taken, far better taken than probably anyone else in the division could do and almost certainly anyone else in their squad could manage. If he'd not been there to score all of those goals, and 50% of a team's total goals scored is staggering, they'd probably be similar to us points wise.

Going back to the game that we played against them they weren't spectacular and bar the goal and a good save from Crocombe in the first half we actually produced more and better chances than them despite being in the middle of a horrible run of form and being understrength. I remember many people commenting that they were a classic side that does well in this division in that they were strong and organised with a particularly good striker who wins them the points. Now they don't have him, I bet they slide down the table a bit

Players with 5 or more goals in the league, could only be arsed looking at the top 7.

Stockport
Madden 11
Crankshaw 8
Collar 6

Chesterfield
Thsimanga 24
Quigley 6
Rowe 5

Halifax
Waters 13
Slew 9
Warburton 8

Bromley
Cheek 15

Boreham Wood
Rees 8
Boden 7
Marsh 5

Solihull
Dallas 11
Sbarra 11

Wrexham
Mullin 11
Davies 6
Hayden 5

I don’t think there is much difference between them all hence why I think the criticism is harsh. Only really Halifax and Solihull are doing anything remotely different.

But those stats undo your argument don’t they. 🙂

Quoted from quebec38

Players with 5 or more goals in the league, could only be arsed looking at the top 7.

Stockport
Madden 11
Crankshaw 8
Collar 6

Chesterfield
Thsimanga 24
Quigley 6
Rowe 5

Halifax
Waters 13
Slew 9
Warburton 8

Bromley
Cheek 15

Boreham Wood
Rees 8
Boden 7
Marsh 5

Solihull
Dallas 11
Sbarra 11

Wrexham
Mullin 11
Davies 6
Hayden 5

I don’t think there is much difference between them all hence why I think the criticism is harsh. Only really Halifax and Solihull are doing anything remotely different.

But it doesn't matter how many goals the rest of the team have scored, it's the contribution of the individual player that dictates whether or not they're a one man team. At Wrexham Mullin has scored 26% of their goals, Cheek has scored 36% of Bromley's goals, Waters 32% of Halifax's goals and Madden 20% of Stockport's. None of them are even close to the 50% that Tshimanga contributed to Chesterfield, they are far more reliant on him than other teams are on their top scorers.

There were 10 games so far this season where Tshimanga's goals directly altered the outcome of the game in Chesterfield's favours which has won them an extra 17 points. That would put them on the same points as Southend. Obviously some goals would be scored by his replacement but you reckon Asante is going to start knocking in a goal virtually every game? I'd be astonished.

Not really? It suggests to me that there isn’t much between any of them, just that Thsimanga on his own is a freak and it completely skews things in terms of his contribution to team goals, not that they rely on him too heavily.

Quoted from chaos33

I don’t think it’s an argument as such mate, and it’s not abusive or anything is it. Quebec thinks I made an overstatement….I’m not sure I did but am open to discussion about it. I’m a bit confused about the ‘facts are facts’ point as I think ‘facts’ have been conflated with stats - and as we all know, you can use stats and context to ‘prove’ anything. In this case, I think my argument, based on the stats is stronger but I’m not gonna lose it because it is challenged. That’s what the forum is for isn’t it. I think the salient points are : Tshimanga has scored 50% of Chesterfields goals and that is decisively incomparable. I think that has meant that their league position is due to that performance, substantially. Maybe ‘over reliant’ is a stretch, but I think there’d be broad agreement on this and the view that he’s unique in this division and a huge loss.

Fair point re discussion and no argument on this one - some threads do evolve into mammary for tat stuff - least you two or three are discussing this , whatever your views, and not resorting to insults etc, which can be the case sometimes

Quoted from quebec38

Not really? It suggests to me that there isn’t much between any of them, just that Thsimanga on his own is a freak and it completely skews things in terms of his contribution to team goals, not that they rely on him too heavily.

Don't know why you keep persisting with this. He has scored 18 more goals than their next top scorer and 50% of their entire goals total.

The very definition of 'heavily reliant'.

Because it’s a discussion forum and it’s fine to debate things? We see things differently and are in disagreement. I understand where chaos is coming from and he may do me.

The proof will be in the pudding. I think this will destroy Chesterfield’s promotion hopes the same as most, but it would do anyone if they lost their top scorer, whether he was 10 in front or 20. Hence my point of over reliance. They rely on him because he’s their best player, do they rely on him any more than Solihull rely on their two top scorers or we do McAtee? I think it’s just the same, personally.

Quoted from quebec38

Players with 5 or more goals in the league, could only be arsed looking at the top 7.

Stockport
Madden 11
Crankshaw 8
Collar 6

Chesterfield
Thsimanga 24
Quigley 6
Rowe 5

Halifax
Waters 13
Slew 9
Warburton 8

Bromley
Cheek 15

Boreham Wood
Rees 8
Boden 7
Marsh 5

Solihull
Dallas 11
Sbarra 11

Wrexham
Mullin 11
Davies 6
Hayden 5

I don’t think there is much difference between them all hence why I think the criticism is harsh. Only really Halifax and Solihull are doing anything remotely different.

Only Stockport and Halifax have scorers with over 5 goals scoring more than Tshimanga. They need to get back to the drawing board tactically.

Quoted from quebec38

Because it’s a discussion forum and it’s fine to debate things? We see things differently and are in disagreement. I understand where chaos is coming from and he may do me.

The proof will be in the pudding. I think this will destroy Chesterfield’s promotion hopes the same as most, but it would do anyone if they lost their top scorer, whether he was 10 in front or 20. Hence my point of over reliance. They rely on him because he’s their best player, do they rely on him any more than Solihull rely on their two top scorers or we do McAtee? I think it’s just the same, personally.

Yes, quite heavily.

Quoted from mariner91

Yes, quite heavily.

McAtee went off injured against Wealdstone where we lost. We went on to to lose 4 of the next 5 whilst not fit enough to play more than a bit part.
He returned against D&R where he got sent off. We lost that game and then the next two in his absence but managed a draw against Halifax.
Look at the upturn in results since his return.

Quoted from mariner91

But it doesn't matter how many goals the rest of the team have scored, it's the contribution of the individual player that dictates whether or not they're a one man team. At Wrexham Mullin has scored 26% of their goals, Cheek has scored 36% of Bromley's goals, Waters 32% of Halifax's goals and Madden 20% of Stockport's. None of them are even close to the 50% that Tshimanga contributed to Chesterfield, they are far more reliant on him than other teams are on their top scorers.

There were 10 games so far this season where Tshimanga's goals directly altered the outcome of the game in Chesterfield's favours which has won them an extra 17 points. That would put them on the same points as Southend. Obviously some goals would be scored by his replacement but you reckon Asante is going to start knocking in a goal virtually every game? I'd be astonished.

Exactly.

Chesterfield have been a one man team like to a certain extent we are regarding Mcatee. It’s fairly plain to see. UTM!

Here's the PPG so far this season.

Names/Games/PPG
Amos     6     2.17
Khouri     3     2.00
Raikhy     5     2.00
McKeown     17     1.88
McAtee     24     1.88
Sears     8     1.88
Sousa     26     1.85
Wright     12     1.83
Pearson     19     1.79
Burgess     4     1.75
Hunt     19     1.74
Clifton     27     1.70
Abrahams     6     1.67
Coke     21     1.62
Taylor     27     1.59
Waterfall     29     1.59
Crookes     21     1.57
Fox     29     1.55
Efete     20     1.55
Bapaga     12     1.50
Smith     4     1.50
Towler     15     1.47
Reavn     10     1.30
John-Lewis     18     1.28
Crocombe     14     1.21
Scannell     4     1.00
Longe-King     8     0.88
Maguire-Drew     6     0.67
Bell     5     0.20
Grant     3     0.00

So whilst McAtee is one of the higher PPG, I don't think we a reliant on him.

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

Here's the PPG so far this season.

Names/Games/PPG
Amos     6     2.17
Khouri     3     2.00
Raikhy     5     2.00
McKeown     17     1.88
McAtee     24     1.88
Sears     8     1.88
Sousa     26     1.85
Wright     12     1.83
Pearson     19     1.79
Burgess     4     1.75
Hunt     19     1.74
Clifton     27     1.70
Abrahams     6     1.67
Coke     21     1.62
Taylor     27     1.59
Waterfall     29     1.59
Crookes     21     1.57
Fox     29     1.55
Efete     20     1.55
Bapaga     12     1.50
Smith     4     1.50
Towler     15     1.47
Reavn     10     1.30
John-Lewis     18     1.28
Crocombe     14     1.21
Scannell     4     1.00
Longe-King     8     0.88
Maguire-Drew     6     0.67
Bell     5     0.20
Grant     3     0.00

So whilst McAtee is one of the higher PPG, I don't think we a reliant on him.

Pearson, McAtee, Sousa and McKeown seem particularly important players out of those that have played 10+.

Quoted from quebec38

McAtee went off injured against Wealdstone where we lost. We went on to to lose 4 of the next 5 whilst not fit enough to play more than a bit part.
He returned against D&R where he got sent off. We lost that game and then the next two in his absence but managed a draw against Halifax.
Look at the upturn in results since his return.

So you are using an argument that we struggled massively without our top scorer to back up your claim that Chesterfield are not reliant on their top scorer.

Bizarre concept.

Quoted from quebec38

Not really? It suggests to me that there isn’t much between any of them, just that Thsimanga on his own is a freak and it completely skews things in terms of his contribution to team goals, not that they rely on him too heavily.

Your argument is bonkers

Quoted from ginnywings

So you are using an argument that we struggled massively without our top scorer to back up your claim that Chesterfield are not reliant on their top scorer.

Bizarre concept.

I guess this is what happens when you wade in without reading what has been said. What a bizarre concept.

I said are chesterfield more reliant on Tshimanga than we are McAtee? For me the answer is no. My point is that all teams are relying on their best players, of course they are?? So why is it a criticism levelled at Chesterfield more than anyone else? Why is it a risky strategy chesterfield doing it but nobody else?

Quoted from quebec38

Not really? It suggests to me that there isn’t much between any of them, just that Thsimanga on his own is a freak and it completely skews things in terms of his contribution to team goals, not that they rely on him too heavily.

So Chesterfield have lost both their games since he got injured, doubling the number of games they’ve lost all season. Not a one man team though eh?

Quoted from mariner91

So Chesterfield have lost both their games since he got injured, doubling the number of games they’ve lost all season. Not a one man team though eh?

They've also had a lot go on behind the scenes. Hard to separate the 2 things, but losing a player that's scored almost half of your goals is going to affect any team.

Quoted from quebec38

Because it’s a discussion forum and it’s fine to debate things? We see things differently and are in disagreement. I understand where chaos is coming from and he may do me.

The proof will be in the pudding. I think this will destroy Chesterfield’s promotion hopes the same as most, but it would do anyone if they lost their top scorer, whether he was 10 in front or 20. Hence my point of over reliance. They rely on him because he’s their best player, do they rely on him any more than Solihull rely on their two top scorers or we do McAtee? I think it’s just the same, personally.

That explanation argues against your point. Yes Halifax and grimsby have a player they rely on but we aren't top of the league are they, that position relies so heavily on the difference between tshimanga being 20 goals in front of others not 10 or 5.

The replacing player at other clubs will be closer in quality to the 10 goals man he is replacing than the 25 goals man in the case of Tshimanga.

Personally I think Chesterfield will fall away from 1st spot now, as they already are, and the aim for them is to try and stay top 3 for a good playoff spot.

Quoted from mariner91

So Chesterfield have lost both their games since he got injured, doubling the number of games they’ve lost all season. Not a one man team though eh?

😂 piping up after the event.

😂 so you are now holding Tshimanga responsible for Chesterfields defensive record as well?

They have played 2 games since KT broke his leg. In one they they scored 2 which is fine? but were let down at the other end and had a sending off. Granted in the other they didn’t score last night in a difficult game (against the highest spenders in the league).

They have also lost their manager and had another broken leg in the squad. BUT I get it. You really, really dislike Chesterfield. I would love to know what they ever did to you Mariner 91 :-)

The hardest thing Chesterfield need to do right now is get into the play-offs, ideally in 2nd or 3rd place. On average they concede 1.00 goals per game and score 1.79 goals per game. Remove the goals of Tshimanga who is now injured and they score 0.96 goals per game.

An average of 15 1-1 draws would see them finish on 70 points which might not be enough for the play-offs but if they get in the play-offs they are 2 or 3 ultra-defensive displays with a scrappy goal or penalty shootout away from promotion.

In many ways, the hardest part is getting into the play-offs which is decided by merit over 44 games. The play-offs are totally different, especially now they are only one leg.

Quoted from quebec38

😂 piping up after the event.

😂 so you are now holding Tshimanga responsible for Chesterfields defensive record as well?

They have played 2 games since KT broke his leg. In one they they scored 2 which is fine? but were let down at the other end and had a sending off. Granted in the other they didn’t score last night in a difficult game (against the highest spenders in the league).

They have also lost their manager and had another broken leg in the squad. BUT I get it. You really, really dislike Chesterfield. I would love to know what they ever did to you Mariner 91 :-)

They lost 2-0 to Wrexham who also had their top scorer unavailable. Why did Wrexham win and score twice without their top scorer? Because they're not as reliant on Mullins as Chesterfield are on Tshimanga. Like most people with a vague understanding of statistics predicted. Why wouldn't I pipe up after an event that has proved myself and others right?

😂 I’m not quite sure where you’re going with this or what you want me to say here? You replied to me at the time before quickly deleting your incoherent post and left it.

You then drag this up again a fortnight later like you have concrete evidence to support that you “and others are right” about an unquantifiable claim.

That evidence by the way:
2 football matches - One, where Chesterfield scored TWO goals, all without Thsimanga. But now you claim they conceded 3 due to his absence also 😂. The second, they failed to score against the most expensively assembled squad ever to grace the English fifth division. They may well have failed to score even with Thsimanga involved?

You also seem to have forgotten that Chesterfield have had three managerial teams in charge of the side in the last month and a second broken leg in as many games. That might also have some bearing on the outcome of the matches, no?

You seem to have widely missed the point here. Please go back to the beginning of the discussion and read the words rather than wading in halfway through and getting in to an argument with yourself. But let me summarise:

I questioned and was discussing why EXTRA criticism is levelled at Chesterfield for their OVER reliance on Thsimanga. I.e. relying on him TOO much. I said I agree they rely on him, as do all clubs with their best players. Why would you spend heaps of money on someone you’re not going to or can’t rely on?

Quoted from quebec38

😂 I’m not quite sure where you’re going with this or what you want me to say here? You replied to me at the time before quickly deleting your incoherent post and left it.

You then drag this up again a fortnight later like you have concrete evidence to support that you “and others are right” about an unquantifiable claim.

That evidence by the way:
2 football matches - One, where Chesterfield scored TWO goals, all without Thsimanga. But now you claim they conceded 3 due to his absence also 😂. The second, they failed to score against the most expensively assembled squad ever to grace the English fifth division. They may well have failed to score even with Thsimanga involved?

You also seem to have forgotten that Chesterfield have had three managerial teams in charge of the side in the last month and a second broken leg in as many games. That might also have some bearing on the outcome of the matches, no?

You seem to have widely missed the point here. Please go back to the beginning of the discussion and read the words rather than wading in halfway through and getting in to an argument with yourself. But let me summarise:

I questioned and was discussing why EXTRA criticism is levelled at Chesterfield for their OVER reliance on Thsimanga. I.e. relying on him TOO much. I said I agree they rely on him, as do all clubs with their best players. Why would you spend heaps of money on someone you’re not going to or can’t rely on?

It is literally quantifiable. They were reliant on one player for 50% of their goals up to the point where he got injured. No other club was that reliant on a single player. They've played two and lost two since he's been injured, drawing a blank against Wrexham which was something they'd only done twice all season before that game. Any team that relies on one player for HALF their goals is overly reliant on that player and are at the mercy of them getting injured/losing form, it's not about criticising Chesterfield in particular. Your argument that they are no more reliant on Tshimanga than the other top teams were on their top scorers was daft and not backed up by the statistics. We will see how they fare without him for the rest of the season but I'd happily bet they won't be champions and may struggle to get 2nd or 3rd.

Quoted from mariner91

It is literally quantifiable.

See, you are missing my point here. Quantify for me then at what point a team go from relying on their best goalscorer to relying on him TOO much? Where is that line drawn?

Quoted from mariner91

We will see how they fare without him for the rest of the season but I'd happily bet they won't be champions and may struggle to get 2nd or 3rd.

Not a bet you’ll take from me, because we are in agreement here which makes this all the more baffling.

Quoted from quebec38

I think this will destroy Chesterfield’s promotion hopes the same as most