Played our Last games of 2021

Wishing all affected players a safe and quick recovery

Thank f*** for that. At least I won't be a miserable bas***d after yet another town defeat until at least next year! 😁
Merry Christmas indeed!  🍻 🎅

Can see it now....no game until 3rd Jan and government will announce all sports events to be played behind closed doors!..
Thoughts are with the players and their families because no doubt this has completely f@cked up their Xmas..

On the positive front for the players, they’ll be able to spend more time with their families and relax a bit more.

Surely it’s time to call off the season or play behind closed doors. It’s far too dangerous for playing football at the moment. I say we follow sturgeon, she leads and Johnson follows

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Surely it’s time to call off the season or play behind closed doors. It’s far too dangerous for playing football at the moment. I say we follow sturgeon, she leads and Johnson follows

That would be very premature and over the top imo.

Oh no now I'll have to spend more time with my family

Quoted from Chrisblor

Oh no now I'll have to spend more time with my family

Our thoughts are with you at this difficult time.

Why have the management for the second season running allowed the squad to become susceptible to the bug. I have been jabbed and boosted, been in my local and taken precautions. So far I have remained clean from the bug.

If we end up relegated because of this, I am afraid we will be like Aldershot and Southport. A football wasteland!

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Surely it’s time to call off the season or play behind closed doors. It’s far too dangerous for playing football at the moment. I say we follow sturgeon, she leads and Johnson follows

If anything, despite the actions of the Jocks and the Welsh, it’s looking increasingly unlikely that Omicron is going to cause mass hospitalisation and / or death in this country.

I would say with some confidence right now that it’s unlikely we’ll see games in England played behind closed doors. There are going to be fixture headaches as a result of the next three or four weeks, but little more than that.

I do think this temporary cessation of play for Town could be a good thing. As and when we regroup and play our next game, it’s a fresh start.

Following our recent run of form i would say this has come at just the right time

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Why have the management for the second season running allowed the squad to become susceptible to the bug. I have been jabbed and boosted, been in my local and taken precautions. So far I have remained clean from the bug.

If we end up relegated because of this, I am afraid we will be like Aldershot and Southport. A football wasteland!

What are you talking about!?

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Why have the management for the second season running allowed the squad to become susceptible to the bug. I have been jabbed and boosted, been in my local and taken precautions. So far I have remained clean from the bug.

If we end up relegated because of this, I am afraid we will be like Aldershot and Southport. A football wasteland!

Jesus wept

Hopefully have a few new faces in the squad when/if we return to action.

Quoted from Poojah

If anything, despite the actions of the Jocks and the Welsh, it’s looking increasingly unlikely that Omicron is going to cause mass hospitalisation and / or death in this country.

I would say with some confidence right now that it’s unlikely we’ll see games in England played behind closed doors. There are going to be fixture headaches as a result of the next three or four weeks, but little more than that.

I do think this temporary cessation of play for Town could be a good thing. As and when we regroup and play our next game, it’s a fresh start.

Could well be a fresh team if all the loanees return to their parent clubs and we are left with half a team of first XI

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Why have the management for the second season running allowed the squad to become susceptible to the bug. I have been jabbed and boosted, been in my local and taken precautions. So far I have remained clean from the bug.

If we end up relegated because of this, I am afraid we will be like Aldershot and Southport. A football wasteland!

Put the bottle down brother, that’s enough for one day

Ironically we’ll still be short of players come the Halifax game at home…

It was inevitable but for me, the lack of Christmas games puts a dampener on the time of year for me. We knew it was coming though…no point moaning or arguing the pros and cons of vaccines or mass testing or whatever else, it’s happened. intercourse all we can do…

It is quite clear that any football beneath EFL will become null and void by the end of feb when they realise that fixtures can’t realistically be completed.

Regardless of fans being let in, the amount of testing that people are demanding will find that many asymptomatic cases in ‘healthy’ players , staff , referees that games will be called off in their droves throughout winter.

Mass testing = mass cases

Go back to minimal testing and just crack on or forever be in this perpetual hell

Quoted from chaos33

Jesus wept

If you think Grimsby are going anywhere this season, you live in dreamland. Goodnight.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Put the bottle down brother, that’s enough for one day

When you come out of the Wellington Arms, where Grimsby Pelham we’re formed, take a look at Fremo Street. It’s derelict. Nothing. There is no investment, in the town or club.

Dream on!

Quoted from male private Nale

It is quite clear that any football beneath EFL will become null and void by the end of feb when they realise that fixtures can’t realistically be completed.

Regardless of fans being let in, the amount of testing that people are demanding will find that many asymptomatic cases in ‘healthy’ players , staff , referees that games will be called off in their droves throughout winter.

Mass testing = mass cases

Go back to minimal testing and just crack on or forever be in this perpetual hell

Case numbers lower than five days back, most experts predicting mild/no symptoms, most in ICU unvaccinated, most others in hospital catching it in there.

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

John, you usually post your drivel a bit later than this.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

The takeover happened in May. Slightly inconvenient truth for you.

If the Alex May investment hadn't been thwarted by the MSM we'd be top of League 1.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

Nurse!!!!

Quoted from exiledmeggie

When you come out of the Wellington Arms, where Grimsby Pelham we’re formed, take a look at Fremo Street. It’s derelict. Nothing. There is no investment, in the town or club.

Dream on!

You lost me cocker

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

This would be funny if true but you’re not even trying…

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The takeover happened in May. Slightly inconvenient truth for you.

What improvement? Relegated. Poor firm mid table. Tinpot league.

Quoted from aldi_01

This would be funny if true but you’re not even trying…

You want to put money on Grimsby finishing higher than 13th?

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

Thanks for putting the bottle down but that did not mean reach for the class A’s

Here’s a thing about the bug affecting our squad and postponing matches.

Leeds United had a medical staff member parent die from the bug, the whole team, and those involved with the club resolved they would be vaccinated as a tribute to this.

Why has Grimsby allowed the bug to rip through the team for the second dart throwing season running?

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Here’s a thing about the bug affecting our squad and postponing matches.

Leeds United had a medical staff member parent die from the bug, the whole team, and those involved with the club resolved they would be vaccinated as a tribute to this.

Why has Grimsby allowed the bug to rip through the team for the second dart throwing season running?

You can still catch it if you've been vaccinated you thick twit

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Case numbers lower than five days back, most experts predicting mild/no symptoms, most in ICU unvaccinated, most others in hospital catching it in there.

Regardless of what most experts are predicting .... the ones who have the governments ears are the most risk averse on the planet and it’s those who strike the fear of god into them with bleak outlooks and worst case scenarios.

So hopefully I am wrong and it’s all rosy by end of jan but I doubt it as the mass testers want their pound of flesh

Quoted from It Bites

You can still catch it if you've been vaccinated you thick twit

Grimsby have cancelled three fixtures. Leeds have not! Well intercourse me!

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Here’s a thing about the bug affecting our squad and postponing matches.

Leeds United had a medical staff member parent die from the bug, the whole team, and those involved with the club resolved they would be vaccinated as a tribute to this.

Why has Grimsby allowed the bug to rip through the team for the second dart throwing season running?

Andrew Pettit stated last night that our squad is in line with most teams in the country with around 80% of our players vaccinated.

We almost certainly don't have a leg to stand on legally if we insist players get vaccinated and I'm not sure how insisting any new players that come in are vaccinated will stand up in a court of law either.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Grimsby have cancelled three fixtures. Leeds have not! Well intercourse me!

Are you a simpleton ?  I know FF thought you was but come on ffs

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Why have the management for the second season running allowed the squad to become susceptible to the bug. I have been jabbed and boosted, been in my local and taken precautions. So far I have remained clean from the bug.

If we end up relegated because of this, I am afraid we will be like Aldershot and Southport. A football wasteland!

They all get a bath together after a match.  If they win they get soap and water.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Grimsby have cancelled three fixtures. Leeds have not! Well intercourse me!

Are you ok? There are numbers you can call…

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Grimsby have cancelled three fixtures. Leeds have not! Well intercourse me!

How is Liverpool John?

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

Terrible wind up.

People do realise that vaccinated people are just as likely to contract it as non vaccinated ?? If you have been in contact with a person with this new strain you must isolate even with both jabs ..

The plea to have the squad fully vaccinated is pointless as tests will still give a positive reading regardless of vaccine status , they will just be less likely to be hospitalised.

1 nil to the mass testers

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Andrew Pettit stated last night that our squad is in line with most teams in the country with around 80% of our players vaccinated.

We almost certainly don't have a leg to stand on legally if we insist players get vaccinated and I'm not sure how insisting any new players that come in are vaccinated will stand up in a court of law either.

Leeds are fully vaccinated. That is 100%.

Quoted from golfer

They all get a bath together after a match.  If they win they get soap and water.

I think you’ll find that the bath, what remains of it, has been out of use since HIV.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I think you’ll find that the bath, what remains of it, has been out of use since HIV.

Are you ok?

Quoted from exiledmeggie

Leeds are fully vaccinated. That is 100%.

As FF once said . You are full of shite 100%

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Case numbers lower than five days back, most experts predicting mild/no symptoms, most in ICU unvaccinated, most others in hospital catching it in there.

My theory on why cases are lower is because some workplaces that have implemented testing will have shut down for Christmas now and some people with symptoms will be choosing not to get tested as it ruins their Christmas.

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I think you’ll find that the bath, what remains of it, has been out of use since HIV.

I don’t know if this is serious or you’re just battered like a Steels haddock but HIV has been around since at least the 1950s (possibly as early as the 1920s).

I bathed in those baths in the 90s.

I think you might need a lie down.

PREDICTION........

Halifax away will be played Saturday 15 January @ 3pm  (17.30 if BT Sport show it)

We will get more tickets than the 1200 we already have sold.

Next weeks lottery numbers are .............


Covid & Borris willing..............................

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

PREDICTION........

Halifax away will be played Saturday 15 January @ 3pm  (17.30 if BT Sport show it)

We will get more tickets than the 1200 we already have sold.

Next weeks lottery numbers are .............


Covid & Borris willing..............................

You missed one.

Grimsby. Sat 13th in the table!

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

PREDICTION........

Halifax away will be played Saturday 15 January @ 3pm  (17.30 if BT Sport show it)

We will get more tickets than the 1200 we already have sold.

Next weeks lottery numbers are .............


Covid & Borris willing..............................

Halifax would have to get knocked out the Trophy for this to happen

They’re currently drawing 2-2

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

Wow just wow.

Quoted from Hagrid

Halifax would have to get knocked out the Trophy for this to happen

They’re currently drawing 2-2

Just noticed ! (and Luke Sumerfield scored the equaliser!!!)

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

Just noticed ! (and Luke Sumerfield scored the equaliser!!!)

3-2

Give me those lottery numbers😂

Quoted from Hagrid

3-2

Give me those lottery numbers😂

Now 3-3

Halifax win on penalties.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Halifax win on penalties.

Won't bother with the lottery numbers then......                  ;D ;D ;D

Covid is a flu at worst at this point. Back before covid existed, it would be flu that either killed off the old and vulnerable or led to them having something worse, like pneumonia, which would ultimately kill somebody. The difference is, we never mass tested for flu, we just lived, people knew the risks of going to a game and potentially sitting next to somebody with a nasty cold and catching it, and those risks are no different now. The majority of people who test positive for covid are absolutely fine, they just get told to isolate to save somebody who’s 100 years old with a deteriorating body. I’m sorry if this sounds selfish, but we’ve never done that before, so why now? If mass testing stopped, covid would literally just become flu. The governments mass scaremongering doesn’t help either, when they say there’s been 200 covid related deaths in a day, you’re supposed to think that yet another 200 people have struggled for a breath on a ventilator for weeks, before taking their last one, when in reality if you test positive for covid and die within 28 days, you go down as a covid death. In Australia, there was a news report that somebody who got shot went down as a covid death, it’s laughable at this point! So why would they do that? Why would they tell everybody they need all these jabs, just to lock us down again? “The jabs protect you, but we cannot rule out restrictions” it’s time we just got on with it, we can’t do this forever.

I’m also expecting to be called selfish for posting this, however, if somebody is willing to call me selfish just think, are you the selfish one? For wanting people who don’t want and definitely don’t need a jab against covid, to get the jab so they can be part of society? Are you the selfish one for calling for more restrictions and possibly a full lockdown, which in turn could kill a lot of peoples hard worked businesses, and destroy people’s mental health when they can’t see friends and loved ones and do the things they love? At the end of the day, we’re all people with fully functioning brains, we know the risks, and like Matt Le Tissier said, if you feel scared to go to football then don’t go, simple. Don’t stop the rest of the country, who want to go to football, from going and enjoying their life. I doubt we will be playing many, if any, games in front of crowds from now on this season and to me it’s a complete overreaction. Call me what you will, unfortunately people have been dying from things like covid, flu, pneumonia etc. For years, and years, and years… Death is a horrible thing, and it’s sad that it happens, but it’s unavoidable, and if you are in the vulnerable or elderly category, and you are fully vaccinated and don’t feel safe going to the football, I completely understand and respect that, but like I have said, don’t be the selfish one and try and tell people what THEY should and shouldn’t be doing because of this.

Time to stop with the testing, stop with the (let’s all be honest here) pointless vaccine passports (because vaccines were brought in to help lessen the effects for the elderly and vulnerable, not eliminate covid all together, that will never happen, it’s impossible), and stop with any form of restrictions. Time to live just like we did 3 years ago, with absolutely no restrictions, no worries, and no scaremongering by the government. You can book a plane and go abroad the next day, no hassle. Go to football without a QR code, same with pubs, restaurants and if you’re in Germany, soon it will be shops! No need for any of this, time to live. Sounds nice that, doesn’t it? A life with no worries, or possibilities of new restrictions? A life where you can live as freely as you want while taking your own risks? A life of simple choices and freedoms… what happened…  :-/

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

I don’t know if this is serious or you’re just battered like a Steels haddock but HIV has been around since at least the 1950s (possibly as early as the 1920s).

I bathed in those baths in the 90s.

I think you might need a lie down.

But you know that he means when HIV became a big panic around the 80's I think.

The story about HIV is what I was told when I was a mascot about 30 years ago.

Well said DG .

Quoted from pen penfras

The story about HIV is what I was told when I was a mascot about 30 years ago.

Can just imagine Mark Lever cracking open the Panda Pops to chat HIV with a gaggle of youngsters.  ;)

Quoted from Abdul19

Can just imagine Mark Lever cracking open the Panda Pops to chat HIV with a gaggle of youngsters.  ;)

Haha, it wasn't a player, some staff member doing a tour. And parents were there, which I assume was the intention of the statement because I had no concept of what HIV was as a sprog.

Join the queue, roll your sleeves up, take your injections and it's this way for the irreversible path to freedom.
It's the flipping idiots following this mantra that are dragging it on.
It'll all come out in the wash eventually.

Quoted from DG98

Covid is a flu at worst at this point. Back before covid existed, it would be flu that either killed off the old and vulnerable or led to them having something worse, like pneumonia, which would ultimately kill somebody. The difference is, we never mass tested for flu, we just lived, people knew the risks of going to a game and potentially sitting next to somebody with a nasty cold and catching it, and those risks are no different now. The majority of people who test positive for covid are absolutely fine, they just get told to isolate to save somebody who’s 100 years old with a deteriorating body. I’m sorry if this sounds selfish, but we’ve never done that before, so why now? If mass testing stopped, covid would literally just become flu. The governments mass scaremongering doesn’t help either, when they say there’s been 200 covid related deaths in a day, you’re supposed to think that yet another 200 people have struggled for a breath on a ventilator for weeks, before taking their last one, when in reality if you test positive for covid and die within 28 days, you go down as a covid death. In Australia, there was a news report that somebody who got shot went down as a covid death, it’s laughable at this point! So why would they do that? Why would they tell everybody they need all these jabs, just to lock us down again? “The jabs protect you, but we cannot rule out restrictions” it’s time we just got on with it, we can’t do this forever.

I’m also expecting to be called selfish for posting this, however, if somebody is willing to call me selfish just think, are you the selfish one? For wanting people who don’t want and definitely don’t need a jab against covid, to get the jab so they can be part of society? Are you the selfish one for calling for more restrictions and possibly a full lockdown, which in turn could kill a lot of peoples hard worked businesses, and destroy people’s mental health when they can’t see friends and loved ones and do the things they love? At the end of the day, we’re all people with fully functioning brains, we know the risks, and like Matt Le Tissier said, if you feel scared to go to football then don’t go, simple. Don’t stop the rest of the country, who want to go to football, from going and enjoying their life. I doubt we will be playing many, if any, games in front of crowds from now on this season and to me it’s a complete overreaction. Call me what you will, unfortunately people have been dying from things like covid, flu, pneumonia etc. For years, and years, and years… Death is a horrible thing, and it’s sad that it happens, but it’s unavoidable, and if you are in the vulnerable or elderly category, and you are fully vaccinated and don’t feel safe going to the football, I completely understand and respect that, but like I have said, don’t be the selfish one and try and tell people what THEY should and shouldn’t be doing because of this.

Time to stop with the testing, stop with the (let’s all be honest here) pointless vaccine passports (because vaccines were brought in to help lessen the effects for the elderly and vulnerable, not eliminate covid all together, that will never happen, it’s impossible), and stop with any form of restrictions. Time to live just like we did 3 years ago, with absolutely no restrictions, no worries, and no scaremongering by the government. You can book a plane and go abroad the next day, no hassle. Go to football without a QR code, same with pubs, restaurants and if you’re in Germany, soon it will be shops! No need for any of this, time to live. Sounds nice that, doesn’t it? A life with no worries, or possibilities of new restrictions? A life where you can live as freely as you want while taking your own risks? A life of simple choices and freedoms… what happened…  :-/

I agree that we need to get on with it, but saying it's now the same as influenza is not correct. In a bad year the UK has 30k deaths from flu and on a 'good' year it's about 10k. Covid deaths this year are about 73k. That's with mass vaccination and lockdowns which we don't do for the flu. The last 6 months, when most people were vaccinated is 20k deaths and that's not including the winter months which are by far the worst for respiratory diseases.

The argument that some deaths within 28 days of a test are not covid related is true. But also some covid patients are sick for longer than 28 days and others get killed by something else because covid has weakened their immune system to a huge extent. To claim covid has no part in these deaths is as deceitful as the statements that "most people in hospital are unvaccinated" etc.

Omicron may or may not be less deadly than other variants. It's really difficult to know this early on, although it looks positive. But the speed at which it is spreading is a big concern because it is clearly much faster at spreading and being half as deadly is irrelevant if it is spreading twice as fast.

And the numbers that are being reported are going to stall. We've reached testing capacity so not everybody is able to get a test who wants one. That's going to mean a higher percentage of positive cases slip through the net. And I would imagine some people are reluctant to get tested if they don't feel too unwell with it being Christmas week and not wanting to isolate.

Back to football. We are the only club in the National League with games off on these two dates.Our area currently has one of the lowest Covid rates in the country. The self isolation period has been reduced from 10 to 7 days  which was flagged as likely before the games were called off meaning those who were not available at Stockport would be likely to be..But don’t worry all is well at our club.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Back to football. We are the only club in the National League with games off on these two dates.Our area currently has one of the lowest Covid rates in the country. The self isolation period has been reduced from 10 to 7 days  which was flagged as likely before the games were called off meaning those who were not available at Stockport would be likely to be..But don’t worry all is well at our club.

Just because the isolation period is over doesn't make you fit to play. I trained with my team 2 days after my isolation period had ended from a mild case of covid and I coughed so hard that I tore an intercostal muscle.

Clearly something isn't right at the club, but not everything is an indication of that.

Quoted from HerveJosse

Back to football. We are the only club in the National League with games off on these two dates.Our area currently has one of the lowest Covid rates in the country. The self isolation period has been reduced from 10 to 7 days  which was flagged as likely before the games were called off meaning those who were not available at Stockport would be likely to be..But don’t worry all is well at our club.

Give it a rest John, at least try and be funny…

Quoted from pen penfras

I agree that we need to get on with it, but saying it's now the same as influenza is not correct. In a bad year the UK has 30k deaths from flu and on a 'good' year it's about 10k. Covid deaths this year are about 73k. That's with mass vaccination and lockdowns which we don't do for the flu. The last 6 months, when most people were vaccinated is 20k deaths and that's not including the winter months which are by far the worst for respiratory diseases.

The argument that some deaths within 28 days of a test are not covid related is true. But also some covid patients are sick for longer than 28 days and others get killed by something else because covid has weakened their immune system to a huge extent. To claim covid has no part in these deaths is as deceitful as the statements that "most people in hospital are unvaccinated" etc.

Omicron may or may not be less deadly than other variants. It's really difficult to know this early on, although it looks positive. But the speed at which it is spreading is a big concern because it is clearly much faster at spreading and being half as deadly is irrelevant if it is spreading twice as fast.

And the numbers that are being reported are going to stall. We've reached testing capacity so not everybody is able to get a test who wants one. That's going to mean a higher percentage of positive cases slip through the net. And I would imagine some people are reluctant to get tested if they don't feel too unwell with it being Christmas week and not wanting to isolate.

73k Covid deaths.

How many died with Covid and how many died because of Covid? How many died because of serious comorbidities? If you look at many weeks during the summer, the actual death rate was lower than average.
The phrase ‘lies, damned lies and statistics’ springs to mind. Every death is very sad and many families have reason to blame Covid for a family member’s passing but for others it was one of a number of causes.
Let’s just hope that Omicron does prove to be weaker and that the 95+% of us with antibodies can get us to the herd immunity we need.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Surely it’s time to call off the season or play behind closed doors. It’s far too dangerous for playing football at the moment. I say we follow sturgeon, she leads and Johnson follows

Idiot.

It’s rare I agree with our friend Pen but I do side with him on some of this but also, I find myself tired of covid. Tired of the constant discussion or the now polarised views of folks leading to irrelevant and constant arguments. The faffing about for what? Very little in truth.

Rules that have been inconsistently applied, implemented and generally not at the appropriate times. It’s all very tiring. There are, in my opinion, things that have happened, at government level and local level that needed closer attention but haven’t and they’ve all gotten away with it. People will disagree but for me, these things needed equal billing on news for instance…the e social care bill is one example, the political agenda and nonsense from ofsted and the DfE crucifying a profession for what? Stress and anxiety of the workers but minute political gain…

The ongoing farce that is leaving Europe and so the list goes on…

Back to football though, this was inevitable really, it’s frustrating but it’s happened…no point having a go at each other or the club…

we've got 1 game in the next month! we better bloody win it

Quoted from MuddyWaters

73k Covid deaths.

How many died with Covid and how many died because of Covid? How many died because of serious comorbidities? If you look at many weeks during the summer, the actual death rate was lower than average.
The phrase ‘lies, damned lies and statistics’ springs to mind. Every death is very sad and many families have reason to blame Covid for a family member’s passing but for others it was one of a number of causes.
Let’s just hope that Omicron does prove to be weaker and that the 95+% of us with antibodies can get us to the herd immunity we need.

The death rate being lower doesn't mean that people weren't dying of Covid. And do you not think there's a very strong chance that the reason the death rate is lower is because Covid has killed a load more people than normal over the last 2 years? That does suggest that these people were going to die soon anyway, and I've always been against the measures we've taken, but it doesn't change the fact that Covid has killed a lot more people than flu does. Let's not forget that the impact of lockdowns dramatically reduced the spread of other diseases that typically cause a lot of deaths and these have been lower throughout the year due to the low starting point.

Take the death rate of seasonal flu in 2019-2020 for 18-49 year old it's 1.6 deaths per 100k. For Covid that is 2 at the young end and 40 at the high end. Taking the middle point of that data puts Covid 13 times more deadly. This is an age group that we don't vaccinate for flu and have for Covid. You aren't seriously trying to claim that they're making the numbers 13 times bigger for Covid by people getting run over by a bus and having deaths completely unrelated to Covid?

Quoted from HerveJosse

Back to football. We are the only club in the National League with games off on these two dates.Our area currently has one of the lowest Covid rates in the country. The self isolation period has been reduced from 10 to 7 days  which was flagged as likely before the games were called off meaning those who were not available at Stockport would be likely to be..But don’t worry all is well at our club.

Do you think you could go out and play a competitive game of football after seven days in the confines of a 3 bed semi or even worse, digs? A large portion of that will have been feeling rough and many of your teammates will have gone through the same too so lets not put players having Covid down as further evidence all is not well.

Maybe you would have preferred the club to call Halifax off at 11am on Boxing Day whilst you were sat on the M62?

The total overreaction by some on this forum over the last few weeks

I've seen some people post that we need a full lockdown immediately!

The season will be null and void in a few weeks!

Every remainder game this season will be played behind closed doors!

Total overreaction because...

we've had Omicron for over 2 weeks now in this country, hospitalisations normally lag 2 weeks behind, it's over 2 weeks and we are still yet to see hospitalisations rise dramatically (apart from London), last 7 day average cases are up 63% and hospitalisations up only 2%, also cases look like they may be levelling off now (but I do accept we need a few more days of below 100k to really draw that conclusion) but even if they aren't leveling off, it is clear that they aren't rising as quickly as they did when we first detected Omicron 2 weeks ago.

SAGE and In particular Neil Ferguson's projections all the way through this pandemic have ended up being horribly horribly wrong.

All of the above makes me think we don't need anymore restrictions, and nothing will change my mind as if we need more restrictions after the 2 jabs and booster then where's the way out? It's about time we get back to normal now and leave it to personal choice, we are capable of personal choice as we have already seen people cancel Christmas parties and limit their contact etc up to Christmas. No more restrictions needed!

Quoted from Davec

The total overreaction by some on this forum over the last few weeks

I've seen some people post that we need a full lockdown immediately!

The season will be null and void in a few weeks!

Every remainder game this season will be played behind closed doors!

Total overreaction because...

we've had Omicron for over 2 weeks now in this country, hospitalisations normally lag 2 weeks behind, it's over 2 weeks and we are still yet to see hospitalisations rise dramatically (apart from London), last 7 day average cases are up 63% and hospitalisations up only 2%, also cases look like they may be levelling off now (but I do accept we need a few more days of below 100k to really draw that conclusion) but even if they aren't leveling off, it is clear that they aren't rising as quickly as they did when we first detected Omicron 2 weeks ago.

SAGE and In particular Neil Ferguson's projections all the way through this pandemic have ended up being horribly horribly wrong.

All of the above makes me think we don't need anymore restrictions, and nothing will change my mind as if we need more restrictions after the 2 jabs and booster then where's the way out? It's about time we get back to normal now and leave it to personal choice, we are capable of personal choice as we have already seen people cancel Christmas parties and limit their contact etc up to Christmas. No more restrictions needed!

On the 7th December, there were 45k cases reported and the 7 day moving average was 43k-45k for the 7 days previously. So Omicron/the increase in cases hasn't been a relevant factor for 2 weeks yet.

Omicron was prevalent in London before anywhere else, so that is where you would see the first increase in hospitalisations and as you say we've already started to see that there.

Funny how you can see the same statistics and conclude everything is ok, yet the things you're saying are either contradicted or inconclusive from the data and time frame.

Quoted from pen penfras

On the 7th December, there were 45k cases reported and the 7 day moving average was 43k-45k for the 7 days previously. So Omicron/the increase in cases hasn't been a relevant factor for 2 weeks yet.

Omicron was prevalent in London before anywhere else, so that is where you would see the first increase in hospitalisations and as you say we've already started to see that there.

Funny how you can see the same statistics and conclude everything is ok, yet the things you're saying are either contradicted or inconclusive from the data and time frame.

I didn't say everything was "ok" of course we are still at a a critical stage but from what I've seen and listening to other professors etc (not from Sage who have always been horribly wrong) they mostly seem to share the same view that we should be ok without further restrictions.

Have a look at the twitter conversation Fraser Nelson the journalist had with Graham Medley from SAGE, also whilst you are at it have a look at Prof Neil Ferguson's predictions over the last 20 years to the present day on numerous different illnesses such as Bird Flu, Swine Flu etc and Covid and look how very wrong he always has been.

Quoted from Davec

I didn't say everything was "ok" of course we are still at a a critical stage but from what I've seen and listening to other professors etc (not from Sage who have always been horribly wrong) they mostly seem to share the same view that we should be ok without further restrictions.

Have a look at the twitter conversation Fraser Nelson the journalist had with Graham Medley from SAGE, also whilst you are at it have a look at Prof Neil Ferguson's predictions over the last 20 years to the present day on numerous different illnesses such as Bird Flu, Swine Flu etc and Covid and look how very wrong he always has been.

I'm not going to look at a twitter thread to see one scientist back up your point of view. Most of the scientists have been massively wrong with every prediction they've made. Some have been right about some things. It all just seems like plucking numbers out of the air and it's boring listening to the doomsday predictions just as much as it is listening to the people that try to minimise the impact that Covid has had. As a percentage for young people, the death rate is fairly small, but as a society it is high enough to have devastated our health care capacity.

I'd rather we stopped pumping money into the economy to prop us up for more lockdowns and spent it on hospitals so that we're prepared to meet the demand that not locking down will bring.

Quoted from pen penfras

I'm not going to look at a twitter thread to see one scientist back up your point of view. Most of the scientists have been massively wrong with every prediction they've made. Some have been right about some things. It all just seems like plucking numbers out of the air and it's boring listening to the doomsday predictions just as much as it is listening to the people that try to minimise the impact that Covid has had. As a percentage for young people, the death rate is fairly small, but as a society it is high enough to have devastated our health care capacity.

I'd rather we stopped pumping money into the economy to prop us up for more lockdowns and spent it on hospitals so that we're prepared to meet the demand that not locking down will bring.

Years of under investment in the NHS can not be resolved in the short to medium term. It would be like turning the Titanic in McDonald's car park.

Quoted from Dogger Bank

Idiot.

Hook line and sinker

The increase in number of positive cases has also increased with the number of tests being carried out. Over the last week there is an average of 6% of all tests that have been done that have resulted in a positive result. That means that 94% of those tested have not been identified as having Covid.

I have read the article mentioned above and it is interesting in that SAGE would appear to only report on those scenarios which give a significant rise in the number of hospitalisations and deaths. The scenarios that adjust for a reduced severity would suggest a small rise in the number of people going into hospitals and those dying. However, the argument for not presenting these to the government is that there would be no decision to make on lockdown or restrictions so they don't need to know these. The media also don't want to know about these scenarios as they cannot sensationalise them.

Amazingly, think the government has got this right in that no restrictions being considered until the severity data starts to show the effect of the new variant !!

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Andrew Pettit stated last night that our squad is in line with most teams in the country with around 80% of our players vaccinated.

We almost certainly don't have a leg to stand on legally if we insist players get vaccinated and I'm not sure how insisting any new players that come in are vaccinated will stand up in a court of law either.

My employer has insisted only fully vaccinated people will continue to be employed. Quite a lot of others have gone down this route too. Refusal to comply is cited as gross misconduct for failing to protect the health and safety of other employees.
These are very large multinational companies, I don’t think they would do this without the best legal advice.

Quoted from pen penfras

Just because the isolation period is over doesn't make you fit to play. I trained with my team 2 days after my isolation period had ended from a mild case of covid and I coughed so hard that I tore an intercostal muscle.

Clearly something isn't right at the club, but not everything is an indication of that.

Why do you assume they all ill 95% of positive cases from random testing have no symptoms and those who have been in contact are not required to self isolated provided they are jabbed. That is why football in general will be carrying on.

Quoted from realist

My employer has insisted only fully vaccinated people will continue to be employed. Quite a lot of others have gone down this route too. Refusal to comply is cited as gross misconduct for failing to protect the health and safety of other employees.
These are very large multinational companies, I don’t think they would do this without the best legal advice.

You should probably think about working for another company if that’s their policy

Why, it works? It’s people like you that probably have caused the virus to last longer than it would have been if all were vaccinated

Quoted from pen penfras

I'd rather we stopped pumping money into the economy to prop us up for more lockdowns and spent it on hospitals so that we're prepared to meet the demand that not locking down will bring.

This. Totally this.

Accept we will need a bigger NHS bed capacity and ICU capacity from now on if we are to remain as unlocked as possible.

Quoted from toontown

This. Totally this.

Accept we will need a bigger NHS bed capacity and ICU capacity from now on if we are to remain as unlocked as possible.

That would be good but there isn’t a stock of doctors and nurses sat in the shelf waiting to join the NHS. Increases in capacity need to be planned well ahead of the expected need.

But, yes we need to expand capacity and readiness for the next pandemic disease.

What do people think about players taking the knee before a game?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

That would be good but there isn’t a stock of doctors and nurses sat in the shelf waiting to join the NHS. Increases in capacity need to be planned well ahead of the expected need.

But, yes we need to expand capacity and readiness for the next pandemic disease.

We don't need more doctors. The NHS is ridiculously inefficient. I was in there A&E for 11 hours, after 5 hours in the waiting room I saw a doctor. After speaking to me and waiting for X-rays, that doctor spoke to 1 other patient in the 6 hours before I was discharged. The rest of the time he was sat at a computer. There were about 5 other doctors on the ward all sat at computers. Get somebody else to do the admin and let doctors treat patients.

Quoted from pen penfras

We don't need more doctors. The NHS is ridiculously inefficient. I was in there A&E for 11 hours, after 5 hours in the waiting room I saw a doctor. After speaking to me and waiting for X-rays, that doctor spoke to 1 other patient in the 6 hours before I was discharged. The rest of the time he was sat at a computer. There were about 5 other doctors on the ward all sat at computers. Get somebody else to do the admin and let doctors treat patients.

Had something simular with my youngest daughter  .. She was seen for having a poised finger  and collapsed twice in the hospital .a&e .. They discharged her and on the way out she had a fit , I went to get help and 3 dr`s was chatting about golf  and the place was heaving in the waiting room , I  told them in no unsertain words to get off there asses or i was reporting it to management and taking it up with my solicitor .. they soon moved and did something

It seems unvaccinated players are being seen as a problem by Premier League bosses with Klopp saying he won't sign unvaccinated players as they are a problem.

[url]https://www.givemesport.com/1804970-jurgen-klopp-unvaccinated-players-are-a-big-threat-to-us-all-and-liverpool-wont-sign-one[/url]

Quoted from jamesgtfc

It seems unvaccinated players are being seen as a problem by Premier League bosses with Klopp saying he won't sight unvaccinated players as they are a problem.

[url]https://www.givemesport.com/1804970-jurgen-klopp-unvaccinated-players-are-a-big-threat-to-us-all-and-liverpool-wont-sign-one[/url]

Steven Gerrard said Villa would likely take vaccination status into account when signing players. Most teams probably will.

Anyone going to another game on Boxing Day then to get their Christmas Footy Fix.

Quoted from Davec

The total overreaction by some on this forum over the last few weeks

I've seen some people post that we need a full lockdown immediately!

The season will be null and void in a few weeks!

Every remainder game this season will be played behind closed doors!

Total overreaction because...

we've had Omicron for over 2 weeks now in this country, hospitalisations normally lag 2 weeks behind, it's over 2 weeks and we are still yet to see hospitalisations rise dramatically (apart from London), last 7 day average cases are up 63% and hospitalisations up only 2%, also cases look like they may be levelling off now (but I do accept we need a few more days of below 100k to really draw that conclusion) but even if they aren't leveling off, it is clear that they aren't rising as quickly as they did when we first detected Omicron 2 weeks ago.

SAGE and In particular Neil Ferguson's projections all the way through this pandemic have ended up being horribly horribly wrong.

All of the above makes me think we don't need anymore restrictions, and nothing will change my mind as if we need more restrictions after the 2 jabs and booster then where's the way out? It's about time we get back to normal now and leave it to personal choice, we are capable of personal choice as we have already seen people cancel Christmas parties and limit their contact etc up to Christmas. No more restrictions needed!

He's back....

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1473704544932700174

Quoted from Stadium

He's back....

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1473704544932700174

Good god, Neil Ferguson saying that! he must be ill!

Leeds Rhinos v Wakefield for me!

Quoted from realist

Why, it works? It’s people like you that probably have caused the virus to last longer than it would have been if all were vaccinated

Spot on Realist.
In over 40 years in the Merchant Navy I was required to be in possession of a valid International Vaccination Certificate showing protection against multiple diseases.
It was never an issue for me to be regularly vaccinated as common sense prevailed - (& kept my job)
I am currently triple jabbed to not only to protect myself & others but to alleviate the load on the NHS.
To refuse to be vaccinated - because you can - seems to be somewhat pig headed & indefensible.

Quoted from realist

Why, it works? It’s people like you that probably have caused the virus to last longer than it would have been if all were vaccinated

Really?
So if 100 % vaccination is achieved the virus would be eradicated?
And please explain from a employers perspective how they would enforce vaccination without becoming liable to a discrimination claim been lodged?

Quoted from pen penfras

We don't need more doctors. The NHS is ridiculously inefficient. I was in there A&E for 11 hours, after 5 hours in the waiting room I saw a doctor. After speaking to me and waiting for X-rays, that doctor spoke to 1 other patient in the 6 hours before I was discharged. The rest of the time he was sat at a computer. There were about 5 other doctors on the ward all sat at computers. Get somebody else to do the admin and let doctors treat patients.

It’s not perfect but it’s a damn sight more efficient than any other system.

You must be in a right backwater, unusually over-staffed hospital.

Quoted from Les Brechin

Anyone going to another game on Boxing Day then to get their Christmas Footy Fix.

Off to Rasen if the weathers ok.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Off to Rasen if the weathers ok.

Same, don't forget your Covid pass.

Quoted from pen penfras

We don't need more doctors. The NHS is ridiculously inefficient. I was in there A&E for 11 hours, after 5 hours in the waiting room I saw a doctor. After speaking to me and waiting for X-rays, that doctor spoke to 1 other patient in the 6 hours before I was discharged. The rest of the time he was sat at a computer. There were about 5 other doctors on the ward all sat at computers. Get somebody else to do the admin and let doctors treat patients.

This completely, the nurses and doctors are the real NHS heroes, but as for the administration/ pen pushers that’s where the NHS falls down, and this is speaking from experience of having an operation last year and also from being a regular at the out patient department.

I see the sad one red crosser is straight on to every post.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Off to Rasen if the weathers ok.

I’ll be there too mate. But you genuinely do need a covid pass.

Quoted from pen penfras

We don't need more doctors. The NHS is ridiculously inefficient. I was in there A&E for 11 hours, after 5 hours in the waiting room I saw a doctor. After speaking to me and waiting for X-rays, that doctor spoke to 1 other patient in the 6 hours before I was discharged. The rest of the time he was sat at a computer. There were about 5 other doctors on the ward all sat at computers. Get somebody else to do the admin and let doctors treat patients.

Sounds like bullshít. Unsurprisingly.

Quoted from Stadium

And please explain from a employers perspective how they would enforce vaccination without becoming liable to a discrimination claim been lodged?

I work for a global company and since October, if we are double vaccinated have had to show our covid pass and if you are unvaccinated you have to show a negative LFT each day. This is being reviewed in January and the rumour is if you're unvaccinated then you can't go in the office although personally I think it's similar to the rumour about Hurst applying for the Stockport job, a load of bobbins. The unvaccinated taking a daily LFT are probably more safe than vaccinated just showing they had a jab anyway. Nobody has lodged a claim of discrimination as yet.

In all honesty I'm not fussed either way. I'm boosted, a bit put out that they don't believe me just saying I'm vaccinated and want to see a barcode but there you go, not a massive inconvenience for me. The benefits of my job outweigh the hassle of having to get my phone out to show them when I do go the office.

Quoted from Civvy at last

I’ll be there too mate. But you genuinely do need a covid pass.

Cheers Civvy, arrived in the post today!

Scotland is going in to semi lockdown very soon and to date there have been…………..14 cases of hospitalisation with Omicron.

Data from SA who are a month ahead of the UK, and with virtually 100% of COVID cases being Omicron, shows reduced hospitalisations through this variant.

The majority of symptomatic affects of Omicron present like a common cold.

I thought that we were following the data?

Quoted from Geordie Mariner 66

Scotland is going in to semi lockdown very soon and to date there have been…………..14 cases of hospitalisation with Omicron.

Data from SA who are a month ahead of the UK, and with virtually 100% of COVID cases being Omicron, shows reduced hospitalisations through this variant.

The majority of symptomatic affects of Omicron present like a common cold.

I thought that we were following the data?

Don't worry , doctor google will be along soon to put you right.

Quoted from pen penfras

We don't need more doctors. The NHS is ridiculously inefficient. I was in there A&E for 11 hours, after 5 hours in the waiting room I saw a doctor. After speaking to me and waiting for X-rays, that doctor spoke to 1 other patient in the 6 hours before I was discharged. The rest of the time he was sat at a computer. There were about 5 other doctors on the ward all sat at computers. Get somebody else to do the admin and let doctors treat patients.

Another one for "this didn't happen" awards 2021

Quoted from Stadium

Don't worry , doctor google will be along soon to put you right.

And mr smug will undoubtedly think you are great. Can you make a counter argument or are you all about pulling people down?

Anyway, thanks for your insightful contribution.

Quoted from Stadium

Another one for "this didn't happen" awards 2021

I wish I was making it up. But what would be my motivation for that? It did happen and it was in a large hospital, not in the middle of nowhere. And there were people waiting that had it much worse.

Quoted from Geordie Mariner 66

Scotland is going in to semi lockdown very soon and to date there have been…………..14 cases of hospitalisation with Omicron.

Data from SA who are a month ahead of the UK, and with virtually 100% of COVID cases being Omicron, shows reduced hospitalisations through this variant.

The majority of symptomatic affects of Omicron present like a common cold.

I thought that we were following the data?

Hey , let’s not spoil a good old bit of mass hysteria and panic with the inconvenient truth

Quoted from pen penfras

I wish I was making it up. But what would be my motivation for that?

Because it’s a well established and done-to-death method of attacking the nhs without being seen to attack doctors and nurses. It’s never nurses that are the problem, it’s always “middle managers”, “back room staff”, “unnecessary admin” that are the problems. All things/people that you can never put a face to, conveniently.

This has been the line for as long as I can remember from people ideologically driven to moving towards an insurance based healthcare system and greater private (ie profit seeking) involvement, and then parroted uncritically from those who swallow it.

As for the myth of private sector efficiency, see how you get on trying to claim for a couple of hundred quid for car damage. Then imagine that for hundreds of thousands of pounds of medical expenses. See how much admin’s involved there.

Funny how last week most Premier matches were off due to Covid yet hardly any Trophy games. This week Premier matches on but most lower games off - slightly confused. Are Covid results being manipulated to suit ? Have the rich clubs discovered a cure for Covid ?

Quoted from Dogger Bank

Idiot.

Ooooh you wordsmith

Quoted from golfer

Funny how last week most Premier matches were off due to Covid yet hardly any Trophy games. This week Premier matches on but most lower games off - slightly confused. Are Covid results being manipulated to suit ? Have the rich clubs discovered a cure for Covid ?

Maybe stricter testing regimes in the PL identifying outbreaks earlier and they have now overcome the isolation period.
Lower leagues less testing & slower to identify cases so possibly these outbreaks are appearing this week.
Or maybe as you say, a conspiracy theory??

Edit: two PL games now postponed.

Quoted from golfer

Funny how last week most Premier matches were off due to Covid yet hardly any Trophy games. This week Premier matches on but most lower games off - slightly confused. Are Covid results being manipulated to suit ? Have the rich clubs discovered a cure for Covid ?

There are 2 games already off in The Prem on Boxing Day and I wouldn't be surprised to see more cancelled before (or even on) the day.

Quoted from Les Brechin

There are 2 games already off in The Prem on Boxing Day and I wouldn't be surprised to see more cancelled before (or even on) the day.

Fully vaccinated Leeds Utd currently dealing with an outbreak in their squad too.

At least the cat is happy at the moment  ;)

Quoted from denni266

At least the cat is happy at the moment  ;)

Gone deaf has he?

Bloody fpl is ruined 😂

Quoted from exiledmeggie

I’ll put my neck on the line for you!

Grimsby will come out of this bug postponement in 13th place, with a depleted squad, and no incoming striker. We will be mediocre for the rest of the season and finish well off the play offs.

To think JF left the club when the takeover was being done well above relegation in the EFL, Last December, it’s a disgrace what has happened.

The fans wanted JF out, you got JF out. Now live with it.

At least we have a glass screen to look through in the upper. About the same cost as Tismanga. Or whatever his name is.

Could do with Mattie Pollack back to, WTF was he given away for next to nothing for, I just can’t fathom this. Good enough for L1!!!! But not for Hursty at this level. Good or bad business time will tell????

Quoted from GibMariner

At least we have a glass screen to look through in the upper. About the same cost as Tismanga. Or whatever his name is.

Could do with Mattie Pollack back to, WTF was he given away for next to nothing for, I just can’t fathom this. Good enough for L1!!!! But not for Hursty at this level. Good or bad business time will tell????

you're a terrible Wind up merchant

Quoted from Hagrid

you're a terrible Wind up merchant

I think he's trying to take my job.

Quoted from golfer

I think he's trying to take my job.

I’d classify your posts more under the banner of ‘curiously obscure’ than WUM, tbh.

Quoted from Dave Gilberts Left Peg

Surely it’s time to call off the season or play behind closed doors. It’s far too dangerous for playing football at the moment. I say we follow sturgeon, she leads and Johnson follows

Well looking at the reaction to this post it's obvious that the concept of sarcasm and humour is lost on many and it's a bloody shame.

It's a shitty day to go to Halifax anyway....

Quoted from gary_elton

It's a shitty day to go to Halifax anyway....

You could use that quote any time of the year.

Quoted from Posh Harry

You could use that quote any time of the year.

I remember going to The Shay in the late 1960's and, although BP wasn't great at that time, I thought I had passed through a time portal to Victorian times. Then again I visited Meadow Lane about the same time and that wasn't much better!

Quoted from GibMariner

At least we have a glass screen to look through in the upper. About the same cost as Tismanga. Or whatever his name is.

Could do with Mattie Pollack back to, WTF was he given away for next to nothing for, I just can’t fathom this. Good enough for L1!!!! But not for Hursty at this level. Good or bad business time will tell????

What a load of cobblers