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Posted by: fishboyUTM, December 13, 2021, 9:06am
Anyone know what's going on with him? Surely he hasn't been dropped, especially when we played three centre backs the other day, all similar. Towler reminds me of a young Paul Futcher, he's immense and reads the game so well. Makes it look easy.
Posted by: ginnywings, December 13, 2021, 9:20am; Reply: 1
I think 'rested' would be the official term.
Posted by: golfer, December 13, 2021, 9:21am; Reply: 2
He's too much of an attacking player for Hurst's tactics - he disobeyed orders and came out of his own penalty area as he thought the congestion was too much when we were supposedly attacking.
Posted by: fishboyUTM, December 13, 2021, 9:38am; Reply: 3
Quoted from ginnywings
I think 'rested' would be the official term.


So he played three similar warhorse types in a back three against the leaders. Not surprised we played the 'percentage' balls (which means whacking the ball to nobody) when we have the divisions best centre back IMO available to us. At least he didn't play him at left back this time.

If I was Towler, I'd be packing my bags and heading back to Bristol.
Posted by: chaos33, December 13, 2021, 10:02am; Reply: 4
I could see why you might say that or the player himself might think that, but hopefully he’ll see this as part of learning his trade as a pro, as it were. He’s still young. For what it’s worth I think he looked a very good player early season and you don’t lose that. Confidence and form dipped it seems, but I’d like to see him restored at CB in a pair with Waterfall. I can see that there is something in the notion that you must perform or you’ll lose your place, but there’s also something to be said for continuity and players being allowed/encouraged to regain their high standards by retaining their place in the team. It’s a difficult managerial balance to strike.
Posted by: joe56, December 13, 2021, 10:22am; Reply: 5
In my opinion, he’s been our best player this season bar none. Good in the air and tackle and excellent distribution. I think he’ll go a long way in the game, and we’ll feel privileged that he once played for us. I’m at a loss to know why he’s not in the team. I recall that Paul Hurst did complain after one game that the heading of our central defenders was below par, but if that was the case, Towler has paid a heavy price for it. I do hope that Bristol City aren’t planning to take him back in January.
Posted by: denni266, December 13, 2021, 10:36am; Reply: 6
Its all about defence and stopping the opposition with hurst If he is still here in jan ( i hope not ) watch him bring more defenders in and a rookie striker  when we need neither .We need a quality  no 9 / striker  But we all know that  except hurst, and he wont pay for one in case he needs to get more defenders in
Posted by: jamesgtfc, December 13, 2021, 10:47am; Reply: 7
Our back line and formation isn't why we lost on Saturday. Poor marking from LJL at the free kick is why we lost.
Posted by: fishboyUTM, December 13, 2021, 10:51am; Reply: 8
We need that striker and if we're going to play three in midfield, we also need a midfielder that passes the ball forwards. We only have Alex Hunt who does that well and who knows if he will stay on? The other lads are quite similar in style. It's criminal we haven't signed that number 9. Hurst knows we need one, why else would the number 9 shirt not be allocated?

His excuses why we haven't brought one in are wearing thin. He's had since May effectively to find that player. I remember a while ago, he said he had a deal lined up for a championship striker but pulled out as the deal wasn't right. It isn't his money, if there was room in the budget he should have brought him in, as I feel his own career may have depended on it. Who cares if he earned more than the other lads? If I was a player, I'd accept the bloke who puts the ball in the back of the net earns more as I can't do it myself, and if the number 9 is successful, I'll be successful as well.
Posted by: chaos33, December 13, 2021, 11:20am; Reply: 9
I think Sam Bell looks a fine player.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, December 13, 2021, 11:24am; Reply: 10
Quoted from fishboyUTM

His excuses why we haven't brought one in are wearing thin. He's had since May effectively to find that player. I remember a while ago, he said he had a deal lined up for a championship striker but pulled out as the deal wasn't right. It isn't his money, if there was room in the budget he should have brought him in, as I feel his own career may have depended on it. Who cares if he earned more than the other lads? If I was a player, I'd accept the bloke who puts the ball in the back of the net earns more as I can't do it myself, and if the number 9 is successful, I'll be successful as well.


You do realise that virtually every club in the country is looking for that ‘magic number nine’? The FA don’t breed a supply of strikers at St George’s Park and keep them penned up like battery hens, waiting for a fifth tier team to click their fingers and order a goal machine. It’s not Championship Manager.

I know many of us were disappointed that Tshimanga didn’t sign as it looks like he was the one (particularly with a certain element of hindsight). Although his scoring record at Boreham Wood last year was only marginally better than LJL’s 2014/15 season (albeit in a much weaker Boreham Wood team that finished 14th).

If you look through the top scorers lists in the NL and NLN, there isn’t much to get excited about other than Tshimanga. Cheek scores goals but would he have come? I don’t know.

Poojah has circulated lists of L2 strikers available on more than one occasion this season and the contents of the lists were complete dross.

We are probably reliant on another young loan, such as Sam Bell, but it’s not easy to find goalscorers who aren’t liabilities when you haven’t got possession. I know Tshimanga didn’t do much on Saturday but at least he did press. He’s more than a ‘Ross Hannah’ on many counts.

A bigger question would be whether Tshimanga would have scored as many goals for Town within Hurst’s system. Strikers have prospered under Hurst (Bogle, Amond) but I don’t think Tshimanga would be on a goal-a-game in our team presently, due to supply (and some would argue tactics).  
Posted by: fishboyUTM, December 13, 2021, 11:29am; Reply: 11
Quoted from chaos33
I think Sam Bell looks a fine player.


He does look a good tidy player, but he isn't ours.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, December 13, 2021, 11:35am; Reply: 12
I haven’t watched every match (sorry Noche) but hasn’t Towler’s loss of form affected the whole team? Towler’s recovery speed meant we could play a higher line.

Now we have the problem that Pearson and Waterfall will naturally defend deeper, which drags our stodgy, Hunt-less midfield even deeper with them. You’re then left with a gaping McAtee absent void between the defensive unit and the forward line.

Our squad wasn’t as good as many thought after the Bromsgrove match and, although on a very poor run, we are not as bad as current results. Fine margins as Mr Stockwood would say.

Tshimanga would help because he is quick and fit. But we would still suffer the same supply problems.
Posted by: ska face, December 13, 2021, 11:49am; Reply: 13
Hurst has a history of dropping decent players after minor infringements - Amond copped it after missing a header away at Altrincham in 15/16 - but persevering with some of the more limited ones. Not sure if he thinks it will spur them on?

Either way, Towler’s been head & shoulders above anyone but McAtee this year so to have him dropped after Aldershot (played alongside Revan & Khouri down the left), then brought back in on the left side of a 3 with Clifton in front of him is really unfair on the lad.

He’s a yard ahead of most upstairs and quick across the ground for someone of his height. All the tinkering & píssing about at the back can’t be helping.
Posted by: joe56, December 13, 2021, 11:51am; Reply: 14
I haven’t watched every match (sorry Noche) but hasn’t Towler’s loss of form affected the whole team? Towler’s recovery speed meant we could play a higher line.

Now we have the problem that Pearson and Waterfall will naturally defend deeper, which drags our stodgy, Hunt-less midfield even deeper with them. You’re then left with a gaping McAtee absent void between the defensive unit and the forward line.

Our squad wasn’t as good as many thought after the Bromsgrove match and, although on a very poor run, we are not as bad as current results. Fine margins as Mr Stockwood would say.

Tshimanga would help because he is quick and fit. But we would still suffer the same supply problems.



But has he actually had a loss of form? Admittedly, I’ve missed a couple of matches lately, but he’s continued to look pretty good to me
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, December 13, 2021, 11:57am; Reply: 15
Quoted from joe56



But has he actually had a loss of form? Admittedly, I’ve missed a couple of matches lately, but he’s continued to look pretty good to me


Maybe in Hurst’s eyes he has.

Towler was poor at LB against Dag&Red but that was understandable. He is young and inexperienced too so I wasn’t throwing the Towler under the bus.
Posted by: fishboyUTM, December 13, 2021, 12:08pm; Reply: 16


Maybe in Hurst’s eyes he has.

Towler was poor at LB against Dag&Red but that was understandable. He is young and inexperienced too so I wasn’t throwing the Towler under the bus.


Okay, Hurst sees players train every day and knows their attitudes. But not selecting Revan was madness, from the outside looking in. Revan will surely go back in January. Was a right game for us on the train / bus getting to and from Dagenham that day and his selections were bizaare.
Posted by: pontoonlew, December 13, 2021, 12:21pm; Reply: 17
If you have a memory of any sort you should know that Paul Hurst has a proud track record of dropping some of our best players for the strangest reasons. He’d happily see a poorer player in place if they’ll ‘work hard’.

It’s happened plenty of times before and will happen (to our detriment) plenty of times again
Posted by: Hagrid, December 13, 2021, 12:25pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from jamesgtfc
Our back line and formation isn't why we lost on Saturday. Poor marking from LJL at the free kick is why we lost.


shocking from lennie

But wtf was he doing marking him, wheres the centre backs
Posted by: Ipswin, December 13, 2021, 12:31pm; Reply: 19
Efete Waterfall Towler Crookes please asap
Posted by: Hagrid, December 13, 2021, 12:54pm; Reply: 20
Quoted from Ipswin
Efete Waterfall Towler Crookes please asap


absolutely
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, December 13, 2021, 12:56pm; Reply: 21
Towler has been excellent in home games at CB.   I have not been to any away games.  However, I
understand that he had one poor game away (at CB).  He is not suited to be a LB even if he has played there for Bristol City.

He offers something different at CB:   Pace, recovery tackles and allowing a higher defensive line.
He was an integral part of our excellent start to the season.

For whatever reason, he is not currently a first choice CB.  We don’t see him in training or are aware of any background factors so can only speculate.  He is one of the key players missing though whilst we are losing a lot of matches.

A similar position exists with Bapaga.  Driving into the box, winning penalties, scoring, taking players on.  An exciting player to watch.  Ok, the odd bad game (along with many other players).  He has also fallen out of favour.  Another player that was part of our success early season.

With Sousa also losing form or injured, we need someone who can take players on (Bapaga).  Especially with McAtee out for 6 weeks or so.
Posted by: ska face, December 13, 2021, 12:59pm; Reply: 22
6 weeks? He’ll be back for Boxing Day.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, December 13, 2021, 1:06pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Hagrid


shocking from lennie

But wtf was he doing marking him, wheres the centre backs


Probably marking their centre backs and taller players like most teams too (unless you’re going the zonal route).

That’s not trying to excuse LJL’s brain fade by not ever being goal side of Tshimanga by the way.
Posted by: quebec38, December 13, 2021, 1:08pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from jamesgtfc
Our back line and formation isn't why we lost on Saturday. Poor marking from LJL at the free kick is why we lost.

And if Pearson or Waterfall had got above their man in the first place then the ball never would have reached Thsimanga.
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Strange how Towler has gone from first or second choice to fourth without doing a lot wrong. Shame he wasn’t marking their big man on the free kick because I can’t think of a time he’s lost out on a header this season at home. I thought DLK was ok as well but Towler uses the ball much better than him too.
Posted by: Les Brechin, December 13, 2021, 1:09pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from ska face
6 weeks? He’ll be back for Boxing Day.


Just what I was thinking. Unless he's got some injury everyone's not aware of yet?
Posted by: Ruston AT, December 13, 2021, 1:39pm; Reply: 26

  I thought the three CB's did well, my biggest concern was Luke Waterfall taking illegal throw in's in the second half. PH please instruct LW how to take a throw in......both feet on the ground please.
Posted by: arryarryarry, December 13, 2021, 1:40pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from jamesgtfc
Our back line and formation isn't why we lost on Saturday. Poor marking from LJL at the free kick is why we lost.


I would still like to know why LJL was marking one of the most dangerous strikers in this league.

Still excrement defending from the centre-halves for me.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, December 13, 2021, 1:49pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from arryarryarry


I would still like to know why LJL was marking one of the most dangerous strikers in this league.

Still excrement defending from the centre-halves for me.


If the internet is to be believed, Tshimanga is a generous 5’11”.

This is the same height as McAtee. Had McAtee been playing, their tall CBs wouldn’t have been marking McAtee would they? They would have been marking Pearson and Waterfall.

LJL is experienced, has played at a much higher level and has also played deeper roles at his previous clubs. There’s nothing wrong with LJL marking Tshimanga. He just didn’t do it very well.
Posted by: arryarryarry, December 13, 2021, 2:00pm; Reply: 29


If the internet is to be believed, Tshimanga is a generous 5’11”.

This is the same height as McAtee. Had McAtee been playing, their tall CBs wouldn’t have been marking McAtee would they? They would have been marking Pearson and Waterfall.

LJL is experienced, has played at a much higher level and has also played deeper roles at his previous clubs. There’s nothing wrong with LJL marking Tshimanga. He just didn’t do it very well.


Now I know you only come on here to take the urine. LJL has never been good at heading the ball no matter where he is on the pitch.

You should take your head out of your bottom and watch the goal again, Efete as in la la land and ball watching and Pearson and Waterfall both challenged their player for the first header and failed.
Posted by: jamesgtfc, December 13, 2021, 2:10pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Ruston AT

  I thought the three CB's did well, my biggest concern was Luke Waterfall taking illegal throw in's in the second half. PH please instruct LW how to take a throw in......both feet on the ground please.


I can't recall many throw ins on Saturday that were either taken near where the ball went out or properly.

Every single one of Waterfalls throws in the second half were foul throws.
Posted by: mimma, December 13, 2021, 2:10pm; Reply: 31
Towler probably won't be here in January so Hurst is trying to get the team that will be here to play. Same with Bopaga.

Chesterfield never once played it out from the back, the keeper just launched it every time he got the ball. Hurst would have known this, so picked the centre halves to cope with the long balls down the middle. It nearly worked but it only takes that one time they get lucky, which is exactly what happened.

Both teams set out not to loose, but it only takes that one chance, and inTshimanga they had the one player to break the deadlock. I be interested to see how they play if he is out for a while and what difference it will make to them.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, December 13, 2021, 2:12pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from arryarryarry


Now I know you only come on here to take the urine. LJL has never been good at heading the ball no matter where he is on the pitch.

You should take your head out of your bottom and watch the goal again, Efete as in la la land and ball watching and Pearson and Waterfall both challenged their player for the first header and failed.


I don’t know why you think it’s taking the urine to repeat basic football knowledge.

Every team in our division at the weekend would have asked their best headers of the ball (usually the CBs) to mark the opponents’ biggest aerial threat (again, usually the CBs) at a set-piece.

LJL is usually pretty good defensively. He’s no Drogba but he’s usually reliable in his own box (Yes, I did say ‘own’).  

You can blame Hurst for many things but asking LJL to mark Tshimanga at a set-piece isn’t one of them.

Watch Man City - Leeds tomorrow night. At a set-piece, Leeds will be zonal, but Ayling and Llorente will still be covering the space that Laporte and Dias will be entering. They won’t be marking Foden, Sterling or Jesus.

Get your facts right.
Posted by: Madeleymariner, December 13, 2021, 2:16pm; Reply: 33
In the end but for about 6 players our squad is below average. We played with 3 cds against 1 up front on Sat and still left our best defender out. We  still lost. Shocking tactics/formation from Hurst, slowly heading towards the Hurst out camp.
Posted by: Les Brechin, December 13, 2021, 2:42pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from jamesgtfc


I can't recall many throw ins on Saturday that were either taken near where the ball went out or properly.

Every single one of Waterfalls throws in the second half were foul throws.


I've mentioned this before but just about every team in every division has someone with a long throw who can get the ball into the box if close enough, we don't seem to have anyone with this capability.

Not saying it would solve all our problems but it's a decent thing to have in your armoury, especially late on if you're chasing the game.
Posted by: jamesgtfc, December 13, 2021, 2:49pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Les Brechin


I've mentioned this before but just about every team in every division has someone with a long throw who can get the ball into the box if close enough, we don't seem to have anyone with this capability.

Not saying it would solve all our problems but it's a decent thing to have in your armoury, especially late on if you're chasing the game.


I've said this many times before and it attracts red crosses but I agree with you.

It makes defenders think twice about putting the ball out for a throw or corner. That indecision causes mistakes but the long throw also helps you get the ball a bit further up the pitch when you have a defensive throw.
Posted by: rancido, December 13, 2021, 2:56pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from fishboyUTM


So he played three similar warhorse types in a back three against the leaders. Not surprised we played the 'percentage' balls (which means whacking the ball to nobody) when we have the divisions best centre back IMO available to us. At least he didn't play him at left back this time.

If I was Towler, I'd be packing my bags and heading back to Bristol.


If you read PH statement about Towler then you would know that he has played that position at Bristol. PH checked with Bristol about their thoughts on him playing there and he consulted with Towler himself. In that context then it wasn't just PH's opinion but the player and his parent club.

Posted by: rancido, December 13, 2021, 3:08pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from mimma
Towler probably won't be here in January so Hurst is trying to get the team that will be here to play. Same with Bopaga.

Chesterfield never once played it out from the back, the keeper just launched it every time he got the ball. Hurst would have known this, so picked the centre halves to cope with the long balls down the middle. It nearly worked but it only takes that one time they get lucky, which is exactly what happened.

Both teams set out not to loose, but it only takes that one chance, and inTshimanga they had the one player to break the deadlock. I be interested to see how they play if he is out for a while and what difference it will make to them.


That is one of the problems of gearing up and depending on loan players when there is a good chance they could be recalled. Towler, for example, could have played every game thus far, got MOTM every game and come January Bristol decide to recall him to be part of their 1st team squad. Where does that leave us? I think it puts us in a vulnerable position when we depend on short term loans.
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, December 13, 2021, 3:39pm; Reply: 38
To clarify:

McAtee out for 6 weeks? I did not say that he would be out for 6 weeks, looking to the future.

My post was about what has changed and was has gone wrong with the team.  This is nearly all in the past.  McAtee was injured was about a month and is now out for 3 games. He is therefore missing from the team for a total of 6 weeks.   And by god we miss him.
Posted by: Maringer, December 13, 2021, 4:08pm; Reply: 39
The thing to remember about the goal is that you can't always win every header. If the ball into the box is accurate enough, you're going to lose one or two of them, much as our opponents did earlier in the season when Waterfall and Efete scored from corners. The thing we failed to do on this occasion was stop the division's top scorer having a completely free shot just a handful of yards out! Not seen the replay, but if LJL was marking him, it's his error. If the ball falls to a player and you can't get near enough, then fair enough, but he was in acres of space.

I'll give the highlights a miss as I don't want to see how Crookes failed to equalise again!
Posted by: chaos33, December 13, 2021, 4:16pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Madeleymariner
In the end but for about 6 players our squad is below average. We played with 3 cds against 1 up front on Sat and still left our best defender out. We  still lost. Shocking tactics/formation from Hurst, slowly heading towards the Hurst out camp.


I think that’s an overstatement. Care to name the players in our squad who are ‘below average’ for this division?
Posted by: Mayaman, December 13, 2021, 4:22pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from rancido


That is one of the problems of gearing up and depending on loan players when there is a good chance they could be recalled. Towler, for example, could have played every game thus far, got MOTM every game and come January Bristol decide to recall him to be part of their 1st team squad. Where does that leave us? I think it puts us in a vulnerable position when we depend on short term loans.


Where does that leave us?  A few more points on the board maybe?  If he goes, he goes, we have to cross the bridge when we come to it.  Otherwise, why have short term loans in the first place?
Posted by: rancido, December 13, 2021, 4:29pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from Mayaman


Where does that leave us?  A few more points on the board maybe?  If he goes, he goes, we have to cross the bridge when we come to it.  Otherwise, why have short term loans in the first place?


Short term loans are for cover, fill a position when you have a long term injury and get game time with a squad. Crossing the bridge when we get to it is a very short-sighted view. At least with long term loans ie season long then you can build around that.
Posted by: smokey111, December 13, 2021, 4:33pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from rancido


Short term loans are for cover, fill a position when you have a long term injury and get game time with a squad. Crossing the bridge when we get to it is a very short-sighted view. At least with long term loans ie season long then you can build around that.


Which have recall/termination clauses anyway.  These are designed to protect all 3 parties. Complementing your squad with a few loans of promising players from L1/Championship is not out of the ordinary. There are a few sticks to beat Hurst with, but this isn't one.
Posted by: Son of Cod, December 13, 2021, 4:33pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Ipswin
Efete Waterfall Towler Crookes please asap

I'd quite like to see Efete tried in a more advanced role personally, as he's often one of our best attacking outlets and while he's solid enough at the back playing him at RB means Sears is on the bench.
Posted by: Maringer, December 13, 2021, 4:37pm; Reply: 45
Can't see Efete doing anything in a more advanced role. When he goes forward, he's usually pretty decent but he's hardly one to be bombing up and down the line all the time. My main criticism of him is that he doesn't get forward enough and I think Hurst has said the same in interviews. With the new winger we've signed and Scannell finally making an appearance, Bapaga and Sousa presumably available before long, I don't think we're so lacking in wide players that we need to bung a full-back upfield.
Posted by: RobDef1, December 13, 2021, 4:39pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from Maringer
The thing to remember about the goal is that you can't always win every header. If the ball into the box is accurate enough, you're going to lose one or two of them, much as our opponents did earlier in the season when Waterfall and Efete scored from corners. The thing we failed to do on this occasion was stop the division's top scorer having a completely free shot just a handful of yards out! Not seen the replay, but if LJL was marking him, it's his error. If the ball falls to a player and you can't get near enough, then fair enough, but he was in acres of space.

I'll give the highlights a miss as I don't want to see how Crookes failed to equalise again!


Having watched the replay, Crookes (who otherwise had a decent game IMO) failed to equalise for us because he went for a right footed tap in with his left foot. I don't think Tshimanga would have scored that if he'd gone with his left foot, never mind Crookes. Professional footballers really should be 2-footed enough to bag that chance IMO
Posted by: rancido, December 13, 2021, 4:46pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from smokey111


Which have recall/termination clauses anyway.  These are designed to protect all 3 parties. Complementing your squad with a few loans of promising players from L1/Championship is not out of the ordinary. There are a few sticks to beat Hurst with, but this isn't one.


I'm not having a go at Hurst, just the possibility of over reliance of short term loans leading to problems. I like Towler and think he has a great future. The problem is that if he is recalled in January then who replaces him? We could bring in a similar player but then you have the problem of getting him to build a playing relationship with his fellow centre backs. It's not the use of short term loan players per se that I have an issue with, it is an over reliance on them as an integral part of the team.
Posted by: Les Brechin, December 13, 2021, 4:46pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from RobDef1


Having watched the replay, Crookes (who otherwise had a decent game IMO) failed to equalise for us because he went for a right footed tap in with his left foot. I don't think Tshimanga would have scored that if he'd gone with his left foot, never mind Crookes. Professional footballers really should be 2-footed enough to bag that chance IMO


Haven't watched the highlights but we said at the time  if he's just let it hit him he would probably have scored!
Posted by: RobDef1, December 13, 2021, 4:48pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from Les Brechin


Haven't watched the highlights but we said at the time  if he's just let it hit him he would probably have scored!


Agreed, he seems to attempt to change his whole body shape to accommodate getting his left onto it, absolutely no need.
Posted by: toontown, December 13, 2021, 10:47pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from jamesgtfc


I can't recall many throw ins on Saturday that were either taken near where the ball went out or properly.

Every single one of Waterfalls throws in the second half were foul throws.


it wasnt just waterfall, their throws were all foul throws too with the back foot in the air - really stood out as noticeable. the referee was real dross
Posted by: Spidey, December 14, 2021, 12:10am; Reply: 51
Quoted from Ruston AT

  I thought the three CB's did well, my biggest concern was Luke Waterfall taking illegal throw in's in the second half. PH please instruct LW how to take a throw in......both feet on the ground please.


Ha, I guy sat next to me in the upper Findus on Saturday mentioned this!
Posted by: chaos33, December 14, 2021, 3:12am; Reply: 52
Quoted from Madeleymariner
In the end but for about 6 players our squad is below average. We played with 3 cds against 1 up front on Sat and still left our best defender out. We  still lost. Shocking tactics/formation from Hurst, slowly heading towards the Hurst out camp.


I’m still waiting for you to name all those players in our squad who are ‘below average’ for this division….
Posted by: fishboyUTM, December 14, 2021, 8:31am; Reply: 53
Quoted from Ipswin
Efete Waterfall Towler Crookes please asap


Yes, I think so. A reset of a kind and a clean slate. Get back to what we were doing well.
Posted by: mariner91, December 14, 2021, 11:37am; Reply: 54
Quoted from Ipswin
Efete Waterfall Towler Crookes please asap


Yep, there is no coincidence that this coincided with our good run.
Posted by: Son of Cod, December 14, 2021, 12:06pm; Reply: 55
Quoted from Maringer
Can't see Efete doing anything in a more advanced role. When he goes forward, he's usually pretty decent but he's hardly one to be bombing up and down the line all the time. My main criticism of him is that he doesn't get forward enough and I think Hurst has said the same in interviews. With the new winger we've signed and Scannell finally making an appearance, Bapaga and Sousa presumably available before long, I don't think we're so lacking in wide players that we need to bung a full-back upfield.

We all know Scannell will be injured before long and Bapaga, I'm not sure what he's done but he's seemingly been frozen out of the starting lineup for now - last start was at Wealdstone I believe.

I missed that quote from Hurst about Efete not getting forward enough, when was that? I wasn't at the Chesterfield match but at both Solihull and Dagenham he was probably the only player across both matches that consistently looked to run at their full back, so much so that he was flat out ignoring Sousa at Solihull.
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, December 14, 2021, 12:16pm; Reply: 56
Agree Efete was by far our biggest threat at Solihull.
Posted by: Hagrid, December 14, 2021, 12:34pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from Son of Cod

We all know Scannell will be injured before long and Bapaga, I'm not sure what he's done but he's seemingly been frozen out of the starting lineup for now - last start was at Wealdstone I believe.

I missed that quote from Hurst about Efete not getting forward enough, when was that? I wasn't at the Chesterfield match but at both Solihull and Dagenham he was probably the only player across both matches that consistently looked to run at their full back, so much so that he was flat out ignoring Sousa at Solihull.


there was an inference on twitter that bapaga was in sears car the night he was caught Drink driving
Posted by: GhostDan, December 14, 2021, 2:21pm; Reply: 58
The rumour mill seems to explode whenever we lose, I've heard some brilliant ones in the last week or so;

McAtee was driving when Sears got caught and they switched seats as McAtee is on 9 points. (95% likely codswallop but quite adventurous)

Doig has basically alienated all the players with his attitude, hence the drop in form.  (Slightly more believable but not entirely convinced it's Doig attitude that stops the players hitting a cow's bottom with a banjo)

Bogle was begging to come but we turned him down because his attitude is horrendous. Apparently headed for Bromley in January. (Could easily be true)

Funny how you never really hear anything when we're doing well.
Posted by: pen penfras, December 14, 2021, 4:34pm; Reply: 59
Quoted from GhostDan
The rumour mill seems to explode whenever we lose, I've heard some brilliant ones in the last week or so;

McAtee was driving when Sears got caught and they switched seats as McAtee is on 9 points. (95% likely codswallop but quite adventurous)

Doig has basically alienated all the players with his attitude, hence the drop in form.  (Slightly more believable but not entirely convinced it's Doig attitude that stops the players hitting a cow's bottom with a banjo)

Bogle was begging to come but we turned him down because his attitude is horrendous. Apparently headed for Bromley in January. (Could easily be true)

Funny how you never really hear anything when we're doing well.


I've heard and did last time he was here that Doig is a problem. Which seems very odd when Hurst takes him everywhere
Posted by: Ipswin, December 14, 2021, 4:36pm; Reply: 60
Quoted from GhostDan



Doig has basically alienated all the players with his attitude,  


Well he certainly did at Ipswich

Posted by: Hagrid, December 14, 2021, 4:52pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from pen penfras


I've heard and did last time he was here that Doig is a problem. Which seems very odd when Hurst takes him everywhere


well he cant have been that much of an issue, we flipping went up and the players said they were happiest under PH.

cant be as much of a problem as your John offering Amond 50 quid more a week
Posted by: moosey_club, December 14, 2021, 7:45pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from GhostDan
The rumour mill seems to explode whenever we lose, I've heard some brilliant ones in the last week or so;

McAtee was driving when Sears got caught and they switched seats as McAtee is on 9 points. (95% likely codswallop but quite adventurous)

Doig has basically alienated all the players with his attitude, hence the drop in form.  (Slightly more believable but not entirely convinced it's Doig attitude that stops the players hitting a cow's bottom with a banjo)

Bogle was begging to come but we turned him down because his attitude is horrendous. Apparently headed for Bromley in January. (Could easily be true)

Funny how you never really hear anything when we're doing well.


Macca with his pockets full in a supermarket??
Posted by: Northbank Mariner, December 14, 2021, 7:48pm; Reply: 63
Quoted from moosey_club


Macca with his pockets full in a supermarket??


Is that really true?..I heard this on Saturday and still can't believe it's real .
Posted by: forza ivano, December 14, 2021, 7:50pm; Reply: 64
Feck me, more players mentioned as being around that night after Yeovil - what was Sears driving that night, a feckin minibus? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

PS Bapaga was dogshite at wealdstone, and hadn't been much better in the previous game i saw him.
Suspect he's too weak and doesn't work hard enough for Hurst's tastes
Posted by: Maringer, December 14, 2021, 7:58pm; Reply: 65
Bapaga started slowly, hit a great run of form, got sent off, somewhat unfortunately, and has never looked anything like since then. I suspect he needs to try and play himself back into some form but not easy to do with the team struggling so much and he obviously hasn't impressed during training. He's only a young and relatively inexperienced player still. Not all of them are going to turn out to be gems.
Posted by: chaos33, December 14, 2021, 9:02pm; Reply: 66
What are these championship and premier league clubs thinking of when they sign and contract these sh1t players eh?!?
Posted by: aldi_01, December 14, 2021, 9:09pm; Reply: 67
The amount of people I’ve heard were in the car when Sears got nicked he must be moonlighting for Peter Sheffield…
Posted by: chaos33, December 14, 2021, 9:53pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from Maringer
Bapaga started slowly, hit a great run of form, got sent off, somewhat unfortunately, and has never looked anything like since then. I suspect he needs to try and play himself back into some form but not easy to do with the team struggling so much and he obviously hasn't impressed during training. He's only a young and relatively inexperienced player still. Not all of them are going to turn out to be gems.


He can’t play himself back into form if:

He isn’t selected
Fans get on his back/write him off
Posted by: kevikov, December 16, 2021, 3:17pm; Reply: 69
Quoted from GhostDan
The rumour mill seems to explode whenever we lose, I've heard some brilliant ones in the last week or so;

McAtee was driving when Sears got caught and they switched seats as McAtee is on 9 points. (95% likely codswallop but quite adventurous)

Doig has basically alienated all the players with his attitude, hence the drop in form.  (Slightly more believable but not entirely convinced it's Doig attitude that stops the players hitting a cow's bottom with a banjo)



Bogle was begging to come but we turned him down because his attitude is horrendous. Apparently headed for Bromley in January. (Could easily be true)

Funny how you never really hear anything when we're doing well.


Top end of the Bentley scale these. 🤣
Posted by: lee65, December 16, 2021, 5:46pm; Reply: 70
Quoted from aldi_01
The amount of people I’ve heard were in the car when Sears got nicked he must be moonlighting for Peter Sheffield…


Maybe he could help us to “park us bus” for 90 mins next Tuesday?  ;)
Posted by: ginnywings, December 16, 2021, 9:17pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from kevikov


Top end of the Bentley scale these. 🤣


Sears was driving a Bentley?

How much are we paying him?
Posted by: promotion plaice, December 16, 2021, 10:21pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from ginnywings


Sears was driving a Bentley?

How much are we paying him?

Under the last regime they turned up on a moped  ;)

Posted by: DB, December 17, 2021, 1:36am; Reply: 73
Quoted from promotion plaice

Under the last regime they turned up on a moped  ;)



With pedals, couldn't afford an engine in it. ;)

Posted by: Garth, December 17, 2021, 7:17pm; Reply: 74
Quoted from DB


With pedals, couldn't afford an engine in it. ;)



Couldn't afford pedals, had to scoot it all the way
Posted by: jamesgtfc, December 17, 2021, 7:24pm; Reply: 75
Quoted from ginnywings


Sears was driving a Bentley?

How much are we paying him?


I hope the police didn't scratch his £80k Bentley when they confiscated it.
Posted by: mimma, December 17, 2021, 7:37pm; Reply: 76
£80,000 Bentley? That's just to upgrade the stereo system on a Bentley
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