Quoted from MuddyWaters

How was Mcguire Drew?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

How was Mcguire Drew?

Quoted from Hagrid

Crookes Injured Sousa Injured according to Hurst

Poor Interview from Tondeur, no pressing of the concerns staring us all in the face

Quoted from Hagrid

Crookes Injured Sousa Injured according to Hurst

Poor Interview from Tondeur, no pressing of the concerns staring us all in the face

Quoted from ginnywings

Just listened and it seemed a fair assessment to me.  :-/

Quoted from DB

The good news is we're not going to get relegated and in August mid-table was going to be good, top 7 even better. We started the decline because we needed  Taylor and McAtee together on the pitch, but neither finished the game today! Something has gone massively wrong as suggested on RH by Hagrid, and as suggested last September the strength-in-depth, has gone to what strength.

Hurst has now hinted twice that there will be movement in and out in January, so has this upset the team spirit and subsequently the form? Has Hurst's tactics been sussed out and accounted for, including no left defense or has he suddenly become inept? We hit the ground running in August and has the dream start been too much and over raised our expectations?

Hurst has just suggested on RH that some players are not performing to the potential they did earlier and perhaps the bo!!oking they got didn't go down well? So there we have it at the minute, too many questions and not enough, if any, answers.

We enjoyed the good times and now we have, reluctantly, have to accept the bad but we are still in the play-off positions. Other clubs will also go through bad times so let's hope some points against Chesterfield will start a bad run for them.

Edit.
Forgot to say there's something in the London air that upsets our players.

Quoted from Hagrid

Crookes Injured Sousa Injured according to Hurst

Poor Interview from Tondeur, no pressing of the concerns staring us all in the face

Quoted from chaos33

I’ve seen the spirit, commitment, passion in the eyes and on the faces of McAtee, Taylor, Clifton, Pearson, Coke, Fox etc. I intend to match that and stick with them. Ups and downs. Win together, lose together. It’s tough, and competitive. If you don’t want a bit of that, and can’t get an objective and realistic perspective, go and play golf or do the Christmas shopping or summat and spare the rest of us the entitled bleating.  

Quoted from mariner91

In what world would mid table in non league be considered good?! I'm not one of these who thinks we have a divine right to be at the top of this division but Jesus H Christ, we're Grimsby Town not Wealdstone ffs.  :

Quoted from chaos33

I’ve seen the spirit, commitment, passion in the eyes and on the faces of McAtee, Taylor, Clifton, Pearson, Coke, Fox etc. I intend to match that and stick with them. Ups and downs. Win together, lose together. It’s tough, and competitive. If you don’t want a bit of that, and can’t get an objective and realistic perspective, go and play golf or do the Christmas shopping or summat and spare the rest of us the entitled bleating.  

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Do you expect anything else from Tondour? I can’t recall him asking “why did you play a centre half at left back and leave a left back on the bench”?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Do you expect anything else from Tondour? I can’t recall him asking “why did you play a centre half at left back and leave a left back on the bench”?

Quoted from Grimsby Is Not In Yorkshire

You need quality as well and we currently have none.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I can answer that for you. Revan is shite and Towler has played left back for Bristol City’s academy and Crookes was injured.

Quoted from barralad

Confidence is clearly shot to pieces. We were on top until the first goal but you could see the players deflate when it went in. Mcatees equaliser was against the run of play but I wouldn't have thought there were many Town fans who didn't think we would go on from there and win the game.
What happened instead was a toothless capitulation. Their second was a good finish but we allowed him to turn and hit it. The third goal coming so soon after the second was the coup de grace.
Mcatee is far and away our best player but his two-footed challenge (surely borne out of frustration) was beyond stupid. Hurst should make an example of him.
Positives? Not many but a wonderful strike from Bell for our second. Crocombe did OK but on several occasions overhit his clearances.
Negatives? If LJL is in the team for his ability to hold the ball up then we need an urgent Plan B..not sure he held the ball once.
Least said about the internal fighting towards the end the better...sad events.

Quoted from Hagrid

PH Was saying it was a yellow card so he isnt going to make an example of him.

The internal fighting so im told was started by those Chanting Hurst Out and then led to fists flying betweeen In and out.

I cant hell but sense a toxic atmosphere is looming

Quoted from chaos33

I was waiting to see if there might be some balance and rationality - you’ve just brought it.
Everyone knows it’s really disappointing. It’s not good enough. But we need to regroup, take a critical but constructive overview and get on with it. I’ve watched Town for 40 years. I’ve seen many, many poorer squads and managers than this. One thing is for sure - if the fans turn against this committed and quality squad, we’ll deteriorate, not improve.
UTM

Quoted from denni266

So we are just supposed to sit back and accept it . Never heared such a load of crap in my life.. Hurst has turned the team in to a bunch of no hopers.. They have gone from a free flowing  energetic team with flair and hunger to this shambles, and it is what Hurst has done to them with his dour way of playing . Ffs Hurst would have had ruined George best  and many more with the way he gets teams to play  he has to go for me .And the same will happen to the nextlot he gets in . Its a big mistake letting him have a free roam with our new owners money and our club  

Quoted from denni266

So we are just supposed to sit back and accept it . Never heared such a load of crap in my life

Quoted from denni266

So we are just supposed to sit back and accept it . Never heared such a load of crap in my life.. Hurst has turned the team in to a bunch of no hopers.. They have gone from a free flowing  energetic team with flair and hunger to this shambles, and it is what Hurst has done to them with his dour way of playing . Ffs Hurst would have had ruined George best  and many more with the way he gets teams to play  he has to go for me .And the same will happen to the nextlot he gets in . Its a big mistake letting him have a free roam with our new owners money and our club  

Quoted from denni266

So we are just supposed to sit back and accept it . Never heared such a load of crap in my life.. Hurst has turned the team in to a bunch of no hopers.. They have gone from a free flowing  energetic team with flair and hunger to this shambles, and it is what Hurst has done to them with his dour way of playing . Ffs Hurst would have had ruined George best  and many more with the way he gets teams to play  he has to go for me .And the same will happen to the nextlot he gets in . Its a big mistake letting him have a free roam with our new owners money and our club  

Quoted from ginnywings

Firstly, we have no option but to sit back and accept it. If I don't accept it, what should I do? Stop going? Car park protest? Shout obscenities at PH?

Secondly it was PH who put together and coached that free flowing, energetic team with flair and hunger that you speak of.

I don't get your arguments.

Quoted from denni266

So we are just supposed to sit back and accept it . Never heared such a load of crap in my life.. Hurst has turned the team in to a bunch of no hopers.. They have gone from a free flowing  energetic team with flair and hunger to this shambles, and it is what Hurst has done to them with his dour way of playing . Ffs Hurst would have had ruined George best  and many more with the way he gets teams to play  he has to go for me .And the same will happen to the nextlot he gets in . Its a big mistake letting him have a free roam with our new owners money and our club  

Quoted from chaos33

Go and learn some basic grammar and then come back and make your points you negative, illiterate cretin.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Right, just got home, that from start to finish was an utter mess. At the start of the season we had success because we played a high tempo pressing game. There was none of that today - Dagenham ruthlessly exploited our mostly lethargic midfield and won the majority of challenges and second balls all afternoon. Their wingers on both sides were quick, direct and capable of delivering dangerous balls into the box (unlike ours).

It didn't take them long to realise we had a centre half at left back, and inside the first 15 minutes they threatened a few times from our left side with Longe-King and Towler both looking very uncomfortable. Towler was drifting far too central, leaving tons of space for their winger to be played in and run at him. After 20 minutes they finally took advantage of all the space behind Towler by whipping a ball in that their midfielder got his head on and looped over Crocombe. Poor to allow space for the cross and poor again from the centre halves to allow a free header in the middle of the box (a worryingly recurring theme this season - we've conceded a number of goals from similar headers now)

There wasn't a huge amount to report until just before half-time - Dagenham were mostly in control for the rest of the half and we continued to leave massive gaps around our back line for them to attack through. Efete then finally remembered how to play as an overlapping full-back and linked up nicely with Maguire Drew (who was otherwise utterly anonymous) to get in behind their left back. He pulled back a low cross for McAtee who neatly swept it home at the near post, and we had an undeserved 1-1 draw going into the break.

I strongly disagree with the assertion above that there were few town fans who thought we wouldn't go on and win it at that point. At half-time it was blatantly obvious to everyone in the ground that our back line wasn't working at all and something had to change, otherwise Dagenham would continue to scythe through us in the second half. Unfortunately Hurst doesn't make tactical changes or substitutions until the at least the 70th minute, and we started the second half with exactly the same setup.

As the second half started we finally managed to retain possession in midfield a bit more consistently and put together a few decent moves which ultimately didn't amount to much - McAtee beat a man in the box but took too long to get his shot away which made it easy for their keeper to block his effort, and a few minutes later Hunt hit a decent volley from about 20 yards but it was comfortably saved. Shortly afterwards they got their second after they yet again took advantage of all the space we were giving them down the flanks to knock a ball into the box which came to Akanbi. Instead of bothering to close him down we gave him all day to sell a dummy and then fire into the roof of the net - again, nothing Crocombe could have done about that either, was all on the outfielders.

At that stage most of our players went into their shells, switched off and let Balanta run behind onto a through ball for a 1 on 1 which he slotted past Crocombe at his near post. I have no idea if he was offside since we were behind the goal, but i'm not exactly convinced he was. Crocombe could have possibly done better if i'm being critical, thought he was a bit slow off his line (too busy appealing for the offside?) and didn't exactly make it hard for Balanta to convert the chance.

Shortly after that McAtee went flying through their full-back trying to close down a clearance and got sent off. Was it a red card? I have no idea since it was right up the other end of the pitch. No idea what our plan will be for the next 3 matches since he was pretty much the only town player who'd turned up before that happened. Going down to 10 men finally forced Hurst into making some changes and he brought on Bell for the non-existent Maguire-Drew. About 60 seconds later Bell scored with his first touch, firing a loose ball from the edge of the box into the top corner with a lovely finish.

We put a little bit of pressure on them for the next 10 minutes or so, with Hunt finally coming into the game and dictating the tempo in midfield nicely. None of it really amounted to anything, and then for some reason Hurst substituted Taylor for LJL. This substitution killed the match off for us - Taylor hadn't really been in the game at all (nor had he really had any service, or teammates near him to lay it off to when the ball did come to him), but he's always going to be more likely to pop up with a goal than John Lewis. The game pretty much fizzled out from then - the only remaining remarkable event being John Lewis somehow managing to trip over his own feet and give the ball away under no pressure.

All round just a totally dire performance - both from the players, and tactically from Hurst. Far too many players hid away from their responsibilities today - Longe-King, Fox, Hunt, Clifton, Maguire-Drew & Taylor were all well below the required standard. I'm not going to be too harsh on Towler, because even though he also had an awful game he did at least have the excuse he was being played out of possession. Efete didn't get forward often enough (the one time he did led to our goal), and McAtee stupidly got himself sent off after looking like the only bright spark in the first half. If we set up and play like that next Saturday Chesterfield will absolutely dismantle us.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Your comment might have more impact  had you not resorted to pretty horrible language.

Quoted from heppy88

You say Denni 266 is over the top, but I agree with his sentiment. The performance today was woeful.

There are those on here that preach “building” or “consolidation” or “giving time”. They generally accept mediocrity and mediocrity will always be enough for them.

But Grimsby Town and it’s supporters have had 20 years of utter shite. Year after year, promise after promise, excuse after excuse. We have no choice but to support our team but my God it seems like fook!ng torture at times.

Hurst took 6 years to get us out of this hell hole before and then he only scraped past the finish line. Why will it be any different this time? Are you prepared for another six (or longer) years to gain promotion? How long is an acceptable length of time?

Why shouldn’t we want promotion at the first time of asking? Why shouldn’t the fans be angry?
Why shouldn’t fans call for Hursts head after losing 6 out of the last 7 games?

Foo(k mediocrity I support Grimsby Town and some of us want success and not having to take 20 years to achieve it!!

Quoted from chaos33

Who made you judge, jury and executioner?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Your comment might have more impact  had you not resorted to pretty horrible language.

Quoted from chaos33

Seriously, we win a couple of games and this person is nowhere to be seen. Lose one or two and he’s here, spouting the same old badly expressed, poorly spelled sh1te…..seemingly relishing an opportunity to indulge in moaning defeatism, no matter what year it is, who the manager is or what the bigger picture looks like. Just tiresome, incoherent, imbalanced, negative b0ll0cks.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

That’s fair enough but please look up the definition of the word ‘cretin’ and understand why some of us might find it offensive.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

That’s fair enough but please look up the definition of the word ‘cretin’ and understand why some of us might find it offensive.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yet when it comes to the so-called “woke brigade” you’ll be amongst those berating people for being offended for non-PC language.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Sending you a PM.

Quoted from Knut Anders Fosters Voles

Could you not just have sent it as a PM rather than telling the world?

Or do you precede every fart with a four page spread in the London Gazette?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

I would but the London Gazette isn’t published at the weekend.

Quoted from ginnywings

I just don't get all these references to happy clappers and accepting mediocrity.

We, as fans, can do nothing about the situation on the pitch, other than support, or don't support, the team.

It's not about accepting mediocrity and applauding failure. No one likes to see their team lose games, especially a run of games, but there are differing views as to what should, or can be done.

We've all witnessed the same sh1te over the same period of time going back years, but IMO (and I'm quite aware other opinions may differ), we can't just keep ripping it up and starting again. Been there, done that.

If however, we lose the next 6 games, then yeah, the Hurst out argument gains more traction.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it doesn't mean that certain of us are happy with the results just because we aren't calling for the head of the manager on a silver platter.  

We were good until recently and now we are bad. We may get good again, or we may not. The beginning of the season had great promise, which for me, buys PH more time.

So to you who aren't accepting of the situation as you keep pointing out- what do you intend to do about it to show your non-acceptance?

Quoted from barralad

Confidence is clearly shot to pieces. We were on top until the first goal but you could see the players deflate when it went in. Mcatees equaliser was against the run of play but I wouldn't have thought there were many Town fans who didn't think we would go on from there and win the game.
What happened instead was a toothless capitulation. Their second was a good finish but we allowed him to turn and hit it. The third goal coming so soon after the second was the coup de grace.
Mcatee is far and away our best player but his two-footed challenge (surely borne out of frustration) was beyond stupid. Hurst should make an example of him.
Positives? Not many but a wonderful strike from Bell for our second. Crocombe did OK but on several occasions overhit his clearances.
Negatives? If LJL is in the team for his ability to hold the ball up then we need an urgent Plan B..not sure he held the ball once.
Least said about the internal fighting towards the end the better...sad events.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Right, just got home, that from start to finish was an utter mess. At the start of the season we had success because we played a high tempo pressing game. There was none of that today - Dagenham ruthlessly exploited our mostly lethargic midfield and won the majority of challenges and second balls all afternoon. Their wingers on both sides were quick, direct and capable of delivering dangerous balls into the box (unlike ours).

It didn't take them long to realise we had a centre half at left back, and inside the first 15 minutes they threatened a few times from our left side with Longe-King and Towler both looking very uncomfortable. Towler was drifting far too central, leaving tons of space for their winger to be played in and run at him. After 20 minutes they finally took advantage of all the space behind Towler by whipping a ball in that their midfielder got his head on and looped over Crocombe. Poor to allow space for the cross and poor again from the centre halves to allow a free header in the middle of the box (a worryingly recurring theme this season - we've conceded a number of goals from similar headers now)

There wasn't a huge amount to report until just before half-time - Dagenham were mostly in control for the rest of the half and we continued to leave massive gaps around our back line for them to attack through. Efete then finally remembered how to play as an overlapping full-back and linked up nicely with Maguire Drew (who was otherwise utterly anonymous) to get in behind their left back. He pulled back a low cross for McAtee who neatly swept it home at the near post, and we had an undeserved 1-1 draw going into the break.

I strongly disagree with the assertion above that there were few town fans who thought we wouldn't go on and win it at that point. At half-time it was blatantly obvious to everyone in the ground that our back line wasn't working at all and something had to change, otherwise Dagenham would continue to scythe through us in the second half. Unfortunately Hurst doesn't make tactical changes or substitutions until the at least the 70th minute, and we started the second half with exactly the same setup.

As the second half started we finally managed to retain possession in midfield a bit more consistently and put together a few decent moves which ultimately didn't amount to much - McAtee beat a man in the box but took too long to get his shot away which made it easy for their keeper to block his effort, and a few minutes later Hunt hit a decent volley from about 20 yards but it was comfortably saved. Shortly afterwards they got their second after they yet again took advantage of all the space we were giving them down the flanks to knock a ball into the box which came to Akanbi. Instead of bothering to close him down we gave him all day to sell a dummy and then fire into the roof of the net - again, nothing Crocombe could have done about that either, was all on the outfielders.

At that stage most of our players went into their shells, switched off and let Balanta run behind onto a through ball for a 1 on 1 which he slotted past Crocombe at his near post. I have no idea if he was offside since we were behind the goal, but i'm not exactly convinced he was. Crocombe could have possibly done better if i'm being critical, thought he was a bit slow off his line (too busy appealing for the offside?) and didn't exactly make it hard for Balanta to convert the chance.

Shortly after that McAtee went flying through their full-back trying to close down a clearance and got sent off. Was it a red card? I have no idea since it was right up the other end of the pitch. No idea what our plan will be for the next 3 matches since he was pretty much the only town player who'd turned up before that happened. Going down to 10 men finally forced Hurst into making some changes and he brought on Bell for the non-existent Maguire-Drew. About 60 seconds later Bell scored with his first touch, firing a loose ball from the edge of the box into the top corner with a lovely finish.

We put a little bit of pressure on them for the next 10 minutes or so, with Hunt finally coming into the game and dictating the tempo in midfield nicely. None of it really amounted to anything, and then for some reason Hurst substituted Taylor for LJL. This substitution killed the match off for us - Taylor hadn't really been in the game at all (nor had he really had any service, or teammates near him to lay it off to when the ball did come to him), but he's always going to be more likely to pop up with a goal than John Lewis. The game pretty much fizzled out from then - the only remaining remarkable event being John Lewis somehow managing to trip over his own feet and give the ball away under no pressure.

All round just a totally dire performance - both from the players, and tactically from Hurst. Far too many players hid away from their responsibilities today - Longe-King, Fox, Hunt, Clifton, Maguire-Drew & Taylor were all well below the required standard. I'm not going to be too harsh on Towler, because even though he also had an awful game he did at least have the excuse he was being played out of position. Efete didn't get forward often enough (the one time he did led to our goal), and McAtee stupidly got himself sent off after looking like the only bright spark in the first half. If we set up and play like that next Saturday Chesterfield will absolutely dismantle us.

Quoted from ginnywings

I just don't get all these references to happy clappers and accepting mediocrity.

We, as fans, can do nothing about the situation on the pitch, other than support, or don't support, the team.

It's not about accepting mediocrity and applauding failure. No one likes to see their team lose games, especially a run of games, but there are differing views as to what should, or can be done.

We've all witnessed the same sh1te over the same period of time going back years, but IMO (and I'm quite aware other opinions may differ), we can't just keep ripping it up and starting again. Been there, done that.

If however, we lose the next 6 games, then yeah, the Hurst out argument gains more traction.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it doesn't mean that certain of us are happy with the results just because we aren't calling for the head of the manager on a silver platter.  

We were good until recently and now we are bad. We may get good again, or we may not. The beginning of the season had great promise, which for me, buys PH more time.

So to you who aren't accepting of the situation as you keep pointing out- what do you intend to do about it to show your non-acceptance?

Quoted from ginnywings

I just don't get all these references to happy clappers and accepting mediocrity.

We, as fans, can do nothing about the situation on the pitch, other than support, or don't support, the team.

It's not about accepting mediocrity and applauding failure. No one likes to see their team lose games, especially a run of games, but there are differing views as to what should, or can be done.

We've all witnessed the same sh1te over the same period of time going back years, but IMO (and I'm quite aware other opinions may differ), we can't just keep ripping it up and starting again. Been there, done that.

If however, we lose the next 6 games, then yeah, the Hurst out argument gains more traction.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion but it doesn't mean that certain of us are happy with the results just because we aren't calling for the head of the manager on a silver platter.  

We were good until recently and now we are bad. We may get good again, or we may not. The beginning of the season had great promise, which for me, buys PH more time.

So to you who aren't accepting of the situation as you keep pointing out- what do you intend to do about it to show your non-acceptance?

Quoted from heppy88

You say Denni 266 is over the top, but I agree with his sentiment. The performance today was woeful.

There are those on here that preach “building” or “consolidation” or “giving time”. They generally accept mediocrity and mediocrity will always be enough for them.

But Grimsby Town and it’s supporters have had 20 years of utter shite. Year after year, promise after promise, excuse after excuse. We have no choice but to support our team but my God it seems like fook!ng torture at times.

Hurst took 6 years to get us out of this hell hole before and then he only scraped past the finish line. Why will it be any different this time? Are you prepared for another six (or longer) years to gain promotion? How long is an acceptable length of time?

Why shouldn’t we want promotion at the first time of asking? Why shouldn’t the fans be angry?
Why shouldn’t fans call for Hursts head after losing 6 out of the last 7 games?

Foo(k mediocrity I support Grimsby Town and some of us want success and not having to take 20 years to achieve it!!

Quoted from denni266

Well said . at last someone can see past the new over priced boozer and can see that a football club is about the football or lack of it in our case ..  

Quoted from sam gy

Do think we need a bit of rationale re the apparent toxic atmosphere in the ground too. Saw on social media there was a lot of talk about it, asked my mate who was there at the match and he said “a couple of people chanted Hurst Out”.

Not saying there wasn’t handbags or whatever, but social media has a habit of blowing these things out of proportion.

Anyway, not really seen anyone mention the lad, but congrats to Bell for his goal. Perhaps his first professional one? Maybe he is the goalscorer  we need.

Quoted from BobbyCummingsTackle

I was there and not far from 'the incident'.

Several supporters were very vocal about sacking Hurst and tried to get a chant going in the second half. It was audible but eventually got drowned out by a majority chanting 'PH's black and white army'

One individual (late 20's, tall, slim, black down jacket) stood on the 'concourse' at the front of the stand and exchanged words with an individual in the stand that very clearly included an invitation to meet him outside the ground after the game. The invitation was not for a discussion and a glass of port. Said individual then went into the stand and a fight started that included a very small group of maybe 4 to 7 individuals. It lasted 15 seconds and then our friend was dragged away.
Bizarrely the early exchange took place with a police officer almost stood next to the key protagonist and no attempt was made to shut him up or pull him away.

There was a very vocal group abusing Hurst but the majority of us were just frustrated at how the team were playing. Most of the abuse was the usual crap and it was a minority. A group of 12 year olds in Primark 'designer' gear used the opportunity to use naughty words their mum would send them to their bedrooms for using at home.

But, this may have been the start of more widespread discontent if we continue to play so poorly and get beaten week in week out. You could sense that most people agreed that the team were poor but a majority are still prepared to give Hurst a chance. That preparedness may not last much longer.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Just like last time it seems to be a small number of the Stone Island crew who have a particular issue with Hurst. Others then follow like sheep. I can only assume this is because they admire their ability to bounce up and down behind the police and spend a fortune to look exactly the same as their mates.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

My 82 year old neighbour who played semi professional in his day thinks hurst is excrement he’s just had his knees done and I’ve never seen him in stone island but to be fair he does have a berghaus jacket though

Quoted from Vance Warner

Nothing wrong with having an opinion but does he offer fans out, start chants of Hurst is a male masturbator and hang banners calling for the manager's head the week before promotion? If so then he’s sprightly for 82!

Quoted from Vance Warner

Just like last time it seems to be a small number of the Stone Island crew who have a particular issue with Hurst. Others then follow like sheep. I can only assume this is because they admire their ability to bounce up and down behind the police and spend a fortune to look exactly the same as their mates.

Quoted from Davec

Here is my attempt at a report, please forgive me for any inaccuracies as by the time kick off come round I already had too much to drink and was seeing double for most of the first half.

Well we didn't get going did we?

Quoted from MarinerWY

By the sounds of it mate we could've peppered their goal all of the first half and you wouldn't have thought we'd got going... or you'd have thought it was 2-2 at half time 😉

Quoted from Vance Warner

Just like last time it seems to be a small number of the Stone Island crew who have a particular issue with Hurst. Others then follow like sheep. I can only assume this is because they admire their ability to bounce up and down behind the police and spend a fortune to look exactly the same as their mates.