Dale Houston, the women’s team manager, has resigned.  He posted on Twitter but no reason given.   Seems a shame given how well they are doing.  Would love to see the club appoint someone with a playing background at the club like John McD or even bring back someone like Michael Jolley and really take the team forward.

Quoted from LondonMariner43

Dale Houston, the women’s team manager, has resigned.  He posted on Twitter but no reason given.   Seems a shame given how well they are doing.  Would love to see the club appoint someone with a playing background at the club like John McD or even bring back someone like Michael Jolley and really take the team forward.

You can’t swear like that in front of women!

Lined up for the Man Utd job I reckon

Quoted from LondonMariner43

Dale Houston, the women’s team manager, has resigned.  He posted on Twitter but no reason given.   Seems a shame given how well they are doing.  Would love to see the club appoint someone with a playing background at the club like John McD or even bring back someone like Michael Jolley and really take the team forward.

I thought you were drunk when you suggested McDermott but to then follow that up with Michael Jolley!

My out there prediction is Shaun Pearson.

What’s the betting then? sacked for saying ‘well done Ladies’ has got to be up there🙄

Quoted from LondonMariner43

Dale Houston, the women’s team manager, has resigned.  He posted on Twitter but no reason given.   Seems a shame given how well they are doing.  Would love to see the club appoint someone with a playing background at the club like John McD or even bring back someone like Michael Jolley and really take the team forward.

May I suggest you have a sit down, don't do anything and nurse will be along shortly.

He has done an amazing job in the 3 years they been formed wish him all the best for the future, just hope the ladies can keep it all together and stay top of the league

Quoted from LondonMariner43

Dale Houston, the women’s team manager, has resigned.  He posted on Twitter but no reason given.   Seems a shame given how well they are doing.  Would love to see the club appoint someone with a playing background at the club like John McD or even bring back someone like Michael Jolley and really take the team forward.

Non-football.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Non-football.

Whilst I agree with the tongue in cheek approach it’s a weird one isn’t it? They’re saturating the market with women’s football now; almost out of guilt for ignoring it for so long…

However, try as I might, I can’t get on with it. It’s like when I’ve tried to watch other sports, it just doesn’t entertain or interest me…interestingly, 3 ladies at work play football at a decent ish level but they don’t watch women’s football…

Anyone know what’s gone on?

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Anyone know what’s gone on?

All a bit sudden, isn’t it?

Very out of the blue, and feels a bit off that Dale has announced this via twitter, while there's been nothing from the club

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Anyone know what’s gone on?

Hopefully Houston hasn't had a problem.  ;)

Quoted from LondonMariner43

Dale Houston, the women’s team manager, has resigned.  He posted on Twitter but no reason given.   Seems a shame given how well they are doing.  Would love to see the club appoint someone with a playing background at the club like John McD or even bring back someone like Michael Jolley and really take the team forward.

Even with the ladies team we’re obsessed with former players 🤦‍♂️

Quoted from aldi_01

Whilst I agree with the tongue in cheek approach it’s a weird one isn’t it? They’re saturating the market with women’s football now; almost out of guilt for ignoring it for so long…

However, try as I might, I can’t get on with it. It’s like when I’ve tried to watch other sports, it just doesn’t entertain or interest me…interestingly, 3 ladies at work play football at a decent ish level but they don’t watch women’s football…

I think saturation is a good description of it. Sky and BBC are absolutely hell bent on us liking women’s football, and I just do not think it has earned the right to warrant wall-to-wall coverage. The BBC would never stoop as low as even League One on their evening news shows, yet a women’s game with 1,000 ‘fans’ (aka family members) present will often be the first sports story.

I could go on and on about this but it will be misconstrued by some as sexism. I think that anybody, any age or sex, can play whatever sport they want, and good on them, but to put it bluntly, nobody cares about women’s football, and that will never change.

Holloway is taking over, injecting some money I hear

Quoted from Heisenberg

I think saturation is a good description of it. Sky and BBC are absolutely hell bent on us liking women’s football, and I just do not think it has earned the right to warrant wall-to-wall coverage. The BBC would never stoop as low as even League One on their evening news shows, yet a women’s game with 1,000 ‘fans’ (aka family members) present will often be the first sports story.

I could go on and on about this but it will be misconstrued by some as sexism. I think that anybody, any age or sex, can play whatever sport they want, and good on them, but to put it bluntly, nobody cares about women’s football, and that will never change.

Misconstrued as sexism? After a post like that, how could you possibly say that?  ;)

Quoted from tarka

Misconstrued as sexism? After a post like that, how could you possibly say that?  ;)

I know, I’ve had criticism from family members for this, but Tarka, I don’t know you, but let me know when you’re one of a thousand or so town fans who go to an away women’s game and I will accept that I’ve got it all horribly wrong.

When a child decides he or she likes football, they choose a team to support. They will never ever decide they are a fan of a women’s team, it’s just fact.

I am a fan of sport with women at the forefront (my favourite athletes list would include Jessica Ennis and Sally Gunnell, for example), but I just cannot get into women’s football, despite huge pressure from the powers that be. I think it’s that pressure from the PC crowd at the Beeb, SKY and other outlets that will always make me go against their will.

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When a child decides he or she likes football, they choose a team to support. They will never ever decide they are a fan of a women’s team, it’s just fact.

You do know you are talking unadulterated sexist bo**ocks, don't you?

Quoted from tarka

[quote=120888]

When a child decides he or she likes football, they choose a team to support. They will never ever decide they are a fan of a women’s team, it’s just fact.

You do know you are talking unadulterated sexist bo**ocks, don't you?

You’re being a bit over sensitive, in my opinion. If society deems me a sexist, then so be it.

Not liking women’s football does not make you sexist.

"huge pressure"?

Quoted from tarka

[quote=120888]

When a child decides he or she likes football, they choose a team to support. They will never ever decide they are a fan of a women’s team, it’s just fact.

You do know you are talking unadulterated sexist bo**ocks, don't you?

Why is it sexist? Professional ladies football is generally not as exciting, not as physical, not as entertaining and not as ingrained in our psyche as men's football. That is just a fact. Neither is youth football nor kids football.  It's great that women play the game of course, but people are entitled not to like it, or support it. There are a lot of women at GTFC games, but there is hardly any at GTFC women's games. It is nothing to do with sexism, it is just not as good as men's football. If it was, women's football would attract big crowds.

The trend to look at every subject through the lens of an "ism" is reducing conversations to soundbites which barely troubles the truth.

That’s a bit sudden and hastily announced on Twitter, anyone know what’s gone on?

Quoted from tarka

[quote=120888]

When a child decides he or she likes football, they choose a team to support. They will never ever decide they are a fan of a women’s team, it’s just fact.

You do know you are talking unadulterated sexist bo**ocks, don't you?

I agree with him. watching womens football is about as exciting as watching two people play chess.

So now the loony liberals reckon it's sexist just to say all women are excrement at football and nobody likes it without exception and it should never be on television. You couldn't make it up.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

So now the loony liberals reckon it's sexist just to say all women are excrement at football and nobody likes it without exception and it should never be on television. You couldn't make it up.

Except you just did make it up? One poster took a view which you've massively over simplified.

The facts are that  BBC are showing more women's football than ever and their website is covering it more.  

I suspect it's popularity is growing but maybe not to a degree where the lower leagues get forgotten about on the website.

Am interested to hear more about why the ladies team managed has left and to see who replaces him, but I've not been to any of their games and wouldn't be tempted to travel to their newish home ground at Brigg to watch them either.

Just had a look and there are circa 150 games to watch in the UK over the next week of which 4 are women's games. If you don't want to watch those 4 then I suspect not one person would care, including me who won't be watching any of them either.

Quoted from Heisenberg

When a child decides he or she likes football, they choose a team to support. They will never ever decide they are a fan of a women’s team, it’s just fact.

I don’t like women’s football but do yourself the benefit of recognising that it’s an opinion, a bad one admittedly, rather than fact.

What about in USA where female footballers are far more popular than their male counterparts?

I’ll say it

Womans football is absolutely shite.

Women’s football is shite. I’m the women’s World Cup a while back they kept trying to talk about amazing levels of skill etc and then did that ridiculous thing of comparing it to the men’s game…a game far more developed and recognised, and quite obviously a higher standard.

It’s similar to when they try and compare rugby and cricket to football, they’re all different so simply can’t be compared.

I guess over time, folk may take an equal interest in both sides, we’re a long way off how they are with the women’s game in the states but may be, just May be, it will get to that level. That said, the men’s game is so established here it will naturally never be overshadowed.

As I say, several lasses at work play a decent level women’s game but never choose to watch it. May be it’s the same as odd I went to school with who loved playing but never went to watch it…

Quoted from Hagrid

I’ll say it

Womans football is absolutely shite.

Very insightful.

I have nothing against women’s football, and occasionally watch bits and bobs on tv.

To me the BBC are pushing it because it will cost much less than men’s football to secure the rights (and it does of course suit their “look at us and our right on” agenda, but that’s just coincidental to the cost issue)

In the same way, they do the early rounds of the FA cup to death, making the run of games stretch out over 3 or 4 days because they have little other live footy to show

The BBC, like Sky, other broadcasters, the FA and top Prem clubs are pushing women’s football because it’s one of the fastest growing sports and markets in the planet and there’s plenty of money to be made from it. That’s why Man Utd and Liverpool and City are just parachuting themselves into the top divisions and unfashionable teams like Donny and Notts County have been pushed out.

Nothing to do with being “right on”, it’s aaaaallll about money.

It's worth noting a couple of things in terms of women's football. Firstly, obviously there are massive physical differences between elite male and female players; men are always going to be quicker, stronger and taller than women - that's just how it is. That's particularly relevant when it comes to goalkeepers, who are in some cases approaching a foot shorter in height than their male counterparts, something which is even more pronounced when you consider things like reach and jumping capability. I'm not sure it's misogynistic to suggest that it might be worth considering using smaller goals; it's common place for women golfers to tee off closer to the green than men for instance.

That women aren't as athletically adept as men isn't just relevant to football, but all sports of course. Any yet there are sports, like athletics and tennis, where the women's game is taken almost as seriously (if not as seriously) as the men's. But that brings me on to my second point; women have been competing at the Olympics since 1900 and the women's tournament at Wimbledon for example goes back to 1884.

Those sports have taken women seriously for over a hundred years, and that's reflected in the financial backing that exists today. Female competitors in those sports have the opportunity to nurture their natural talent in elite training environments. I suspect that's still not true of most WSL clubs today, and if it is then it certainly hasn't been the case for long. Certainly not long enough to have benefited the current crop of players playing today. The top flight (and only the top flight) has only been professional since 2017, and even then with most players still earning well below than £30k a year, it won't serve as a viable career for some.

There's no doubt that women's football has a presence in the media, in particular the BBC, which is out of kilter with the level of interest shown by the general public. That's a sign of the times, whether you agree with it or not, but with attendances typically ranging between 1,500 and 5,000 (at less than £10 per ticket) it's still not at a point where it's self-funding for most clubs. If it's to get off the ground as a sport to be taken genuinely seriously, it needs a kick-start.

I don't disagree that the game today is significantly less entertaining than men's football, and aside from the World Cup Final in 2019 I don't think I've ever been able to make myself sit through a whole game. But the standard has nevertheless moved on massively; have a look at the second goal in the 2000 FA Cup final between Arsenal and Croydon (below), if you need a reference point.

With the right funding over a sustained period of time, if players are able to reach the right level of technical capability I don't see why you couldn't have a genuinely entertaining product in 10 or 20 years time. It's never going to be on a par with the men's game; unlike the aforementioned athletics and tennis there's a tribalism passed down through generations (my grandad was at that FA Cup semi-final at Old Trafford in 1939, just a few months before he was conscripted to fight in WW2) and of course that's always been about the men's game. You don't see many (more like 'any') statues of women outside football stadiums, do you?

But let's not pretend that the opportunities for female players to become elite are equal (and probably never will be). It's not really fair to simply write them off as useless bints trying to play a men's game. Give it a a few years and I think some might be surprised at where the game is at.

https://youtu.be/Iy4U6mjt90A?t=26

Quoted from Grantley

Very insightful.

Thanks.

Nothing against the girls playing it, but its awful

It’s not something I’d switch Coronation St over to watch but I think the players and people involved deserve a lot of credit for making the ladies game more organised, structures, at elite level more professional and most importantly accessible to any girl or lady who wants to kick a ball around which surely has to be a good thing and “what it’s about”.

Yeah there probably money to be made for top clubs, maybe not in terms of ticket sales but definitely in sponsorship as many rich sponsors and broadcasters  like to be associated with diversity.

I watched a bit of Chelsea’s ladies team a few weeks ago and you can see their identity as a team and what they where trying to do, technically good, great movement and clearly well coached by Emma Hayes.

The Town ladies team seem to be doing really well I hope the change in coach doesn’t derail what should be a participant sport and in terms of “playing for Town” an aspiration for anyone who want to get involved.

My view on the ladies pundits is the same as the men’s game some (Karen Carney) seem to get it and others (Alex Scott) talk sh1te.

It's a tough one for me and it depends your situation which then gives you your opinion.

I don't tend to watch any football except grimsby highlights and sometimes motd. So I cant really comment on that.
But in person, I actually helped coach a local towns womens team for a few games until they got a manager in place and I enjoyed watching it (and coaching them ofcourse) The game is obviously alot slower paced and the skill level isn't close to mens but there's still alot of passion and banter even at amateur women's level.
UTM

Not a huge fan of watching women’s football but it’s great for my daughter to have some positive female roles models. Someone on this thread has actually cited Sally Gunnell which shows there not a lot of athletes for girls to watch. Those grumbling should probably consider that it’s not necessary about them.

Which one has he been sh@gging then? 👀

Quoted from Vance Warner

Not a huge fan of watching women’s football but it’s great for my daughter to have some positive female roles models. Someone on this thread has actually cited Sally Gunnell which shows there not a lot of athletes for girls to watch. Those grumbling should probably consider that it’s not necessary about them.

Some good points from many on here, but my main point is not about the quality on offer. Even if the women’s game was better than the men’s, I’d still support town and England (both men’s teams) because it’s tribal. The women’s game won’t ever mean anything for me (I’m 46 and those two teams, other than the health of my family, are next in line and mean the world to me).

I suspect the next generation will feel the same way.

I don’t doubt for a minute that the women’s game is getting better all the time.

Someone made a good point about female pundits too. Let’s make it quite clear, it’s purely box ticking. That Alex Scott is dreadful, but the scouse lass on Sky Sports is decent. Either way, I personally don’t feel they should be involved, just like I still have no idea why Dion Dublin was a summariser on the Women’s World Cup! That is ridiculous. It does work both ways.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Some good points from many on here, but my main point is not about the quality on offer. Even if the women’s game was better than the men’s, I’d still support town and England (both men’s teams) because it’s tribal. The women’s game won’t ever mean anything for me (I’m 46 and those two teams, other than the health of my family, are next in line and mean the world to me).

I suspect the next generation will feel the same way.

I don’t doubt for a minute that the women’s game is getting better all the time.

Someone made a good point about female pundits too. Let’s make it quite clear, it’s purely box ticking. That Alex Scott is dreadful, but the scouse lass on Sky Sports is decent. Either way, I personally don’t feel they should be involved, just like I still have no idea why Dion Dublin was a summariser on the Women’s World Cup! That is ridiculous. It does work both ways.

Did it have anything to do with doing up houses?

Whys Dale Houston resigned??

So sorry to hear this. A really decent lad, that delivered what he said he would. Done a great job creating a women’s football offering for the club, and has been so successful.

Joking apart, whether you are fan of ladies football or not (and I’m not a big fan), I hope Dale is okay. In these days when things like physical and mental health issues keep popping up out of the blue, I hope things are okay for him and his family.

Whether poeple like women's football or not (and I'm not going to get into whether it's a sexist opinion or not, as in itself it isn't, but some of the ways it's expressed can sometimes be)...

Some people will be interested in news about GTFC women's team (I am) and as our women's team becomes more established, we will have more news and more posts on this forum.

It's going to get very tiresome if every thread descends into a "I do/don't care about women's football" so maybe on the next thread about the women's team, if it's not your bag... just don't read it?

Quoted from Heisenberg

Some good points from many on here, but my main point is not about the quality on offer. Even if the women’s game was better than the men’s, I’d still support town and England (both men’s teams) because it’s tribal. The women’s game won’t ever mean anything for me (I’m 46 and those two teams, other than the health of my family, are next in line and mean the world to me).

I suspect the next generation will feel the same way.

Sounds very much like the kind of thing someone who’s nearly 50 would say.

Children don’t get into football “because it’s tribal”, they do it because they like certain players, kits, the experience of going, etc. Just now, a lot of that can be delivered by the women’s game and the whole thing isn’t served only by men, unlike when you were growing up nearly half a century ago.

How long has the women’s game had a massive profile - 18 months, 2 years? Bit early to be speaking on behalf of “the next generation”…

Very good point Ska. And the implication of what Heisenberg said is that women aren’t part of the tribe.

i personally only watch it to see if any are fit, sorry sad i know but i bet im not the only one lol
Alex Morgan is a belter but from the brits alex greenwood is worth a poke lol.

Been along to watch the ladies play three matches this season, and me and the kids have really enjoyed it.  

I am very surprised to hear this news. From what I saw Dale looked to be doing a brilliant job and I was particularly impressed when observing him manage the team from the touchline.  By the looks of it, they were far more professionally run than what the visiting teams were. Flying at the top of the league too.

Really hope that he is okay as it's all a bit sudden. Hope too that the club are able to find someone that is able to carry on the with the progress for the ladies team.

Quoted from MrFisherman

Whys Dale Houston resigned??

It may well have come out of the blue for the club as well.
Presumably they will will be clarifying the situation soon.

The top women's teams - Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City etc - play some  very good footy (Though Her Indoors has mooted that I am a bit of a perv for occasionally watching it - would you believe!!?).
However I have to agree with a previous post on here that I find women commentators/pundits  irritating.
This is not being sexist - the wife agrees with me.
In our opinion women in the main do not make good DJ's either - the timbre of their voices does not make for easy listening.
    

IMO, it's not so much that all women's football is bad. But there is a massive gulf between the elite female footballers and the non elite. You only have to see some of the scores in the FA Cup, WPL teams were beating lower league teams by a minimum of 5 goals (with several scoring double figures).

I watched the Town team when they played at BP and enjoyed the game and more importantly my daughter enjoyed it (and that was the first team she'd really enjoyed a trip to BP). We are going to the England game at Doncaster next week and she's really excited for it.

And that's kind of the point isn't it? Women's football isn't targeted at long term football supporters. To sustain itself long term it has to be looking at a younger generation.

And as mentioned above, nobody is forcing anybody to like it or watch it. I never get the amount of 'women's football is s**t' posts whenever the subject is raised.

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

This is not being sexist - the wife agrees with me.

    

Bravo.  ;D

Quoted from Youngy

IMO, it's not so much that all women's football is bad. But there is a massive gulf between the elite female footballers and the non elite. You only have to see some of the scores in the FA Cup, WPL teams were beating lower league teams by a minimum of 5 goals (with several scoring double figures).

I watched the Town team when they played at BP and enjoyed the game and more importantly my daughter enjoyed it (and that was the first team she'd really enjoyed a trip to BP). We are going to the England game at Doncaster next week and she's really excited for it.

And that's kind of the point isn't it? Women's football isn't targeted at long term football supporters. To sustain itself long term it has to be looking at a younger generation.

And as mentioned above, nobody is forcing anybody to like it or watch it. I never get the amount of 'women's football is s**t' posts whenever the subject is raised.

When did they play at Blundell Park please? Would like to watch them play there

Quoted from Vance Warner

Not a huge fan of watching women’s football but it’s great for my daughter to have some positive female roles models. Someone on this thread has actually cited Sally Gunnell which shows there not a lot of athletes for girls to watch. Those grumbling should probably consider that it’s not necessary about them.

The UK probably has more world class female athletes now than at any time in history.  

I wonder how many people are aware that in the years after WW1, women's football was on a level with the men's game and then it was banned by the FA.  It will take decades for it to recover years of lost ground and probably even longer when I read some of the views on this thread.  What a bizarre idea that commentators and pundits can only comment on games involving their own gender.  Try watching Wimbledon or the Olympics where there's male and female pundits and officials covering both genders.  

https://www.historyextra.com/period/first-world-war/1921-when-football-association-banned-women-soccer-male private-kerr-ladies-lily-parr/

Quoted from TinklerMan

When did they play at Blundell Park please? Would like to watch them play there

https://youtu.be/ejl06TYytOE[youtube][/youtube]

Town apart, I can barely bring myself to watch men's footy, never mind women's.

I did watch a bit of MOTD on Sunday morning and have to say that the female commentator did my head in.

Gender aside, her voice set my teeth on edge and I turned it off.

Quoted from Hagrid

Thanks.

Nothing against the girls playing it, but its awful

Nothing against the girls playing it. Is the words of a mysogonist. I'm sure they are very grateful for your blessing.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Some good points from many on here, but my main point is not about the quality on offer. Even if the women’s game was better than the men’s, I’d still support town and England (both men’s teams) because it’s tribal. The women’s game won’t ever mean anything for me (I’m 46 and those two teams, other than the health of my family, are next in line and mean the world to me).

I suspect the next generation will feel the same way.

I don’t doubt for a minute that the women’s game is getting better all the time.

Someone made a good point about female pundits too. Let’s make it quite clear, it’s purely box ticking. That Alex Scott is dreadful, but the scouse lass on Sky Sports is decent. Either way, I personally don’t feel they should be involved, just like I still have no idea why Dion Dublin was a summariser on the Women’s World Cup! That is ridiculous. It does work both ways.

THAT Alex Scott. Is Alex Scott. You didn't refer to Dion Dublin as THAT Dion Dublin.

Still nothing official coming out from the club for this yet. Strange!

Takes them long enough to update the Gtfc website with results or fixture changes so might be waiting a bit longer before any statement

Apparently unlike the mens game, they fight week after week about wanting to wash the kit.

Really not sure what has happened to the Ladies team recently. The club website isn't putting hardly any reports on games etc. anymore and although they still haven't lost a game, results seem to be quite underwhelming recently and they've slipped to second place.

There hasn't been a home game in ages, so not really sure what is happening with them. Is there anyone here that knows what is going on?

Quoted from Heisenberg

I think saturation is a good description of it. Sky and BBC are absolutely hell bent on us liking women’s football, and I just do not think it has earned the right to warrant wall-to-wall coverage. The BBC would never stoop as low as even League One on their evening news shows, yet a women’s game with 1,000 ‘fans’ (aka family members) present will often be the first sports story.

I could go on and on about this but it will be misconstrued by some as sexism. I think that anybody, any age or sex, can play whatever sport they want, and good on them, but to put it bluntly, nobody cares about women’s football, and that will never change.

12 million viewing the the UK watched England v USA in the Semi-Final of the 2019 Women’s World Cup.

Suggests that bitter, old, sexist men like you who dismiss Women’s football as rubbish are in the minority.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

12 million viewing the the UK watched England v USA in the Semi-Final of the 2019 Women’s World Cup.

Suggests that bitter, old, sexist men like you who dismiss Women’s football as rubbish are in the minority.

Amen to that.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

12 million viewing the the UK watched England v USA in the Semi-Final of the 2019 Women’s World Cup.

Suggests that bitter, old, sexist men like you who dismiss Women’s football as rubbish are in the minority.

I would watch plenty of sports if it involved England possibly winning something but would never go watch it live or even on TV the vast majority of the time as generally don't have that much interest.

Considering the top teams in the UK play their games at some numpty non league grounds suggests that there isn't that much interest in the womens game and at a lower level just have family & some friends plus their dog watching week in week out, bitter old men or not.

Quoted from GollyGTFC

12 million viewing the the UK watched England v USA in the Semi-Final of the 2019 Women’s World Cup.

Suggests that bitter, old, sexist men like you who dismiss Women’s football as rubbish are in the minority.

Or maybe the majority of the 12m were people like me who tuned in through curiosity, but ultimately drew the same sort of conclusions watching Toni Duggan hit corners directly out for a goal kick? They certainly didn’t do it to be entertained.

Anyway, I’ll not resort to calling you names or (incorrectly) guessing whether you’re old or not x.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Or maybe the majority of the 12m were people like me who tuned in through curiosity, but ultimately drew the same sort of conclusions watching Toni Duggan hit corners directly out for a goal kick? They certainly didn’t do it to be entertained.

Anyway, I’ll not resort to calling you names or (incorrectly) guessing whether you’re old or not x.

To be fair, this was my view. It’s all well and good saying 12m tuned in but how stuck it out? How many watched the other games? I’ve no issue with womens football other than I just don’t find it interesting, much like darts, can happily watch PDC but not BDO.

With the 100 Aries in the summer I found the woman’s games more exciting, not liking women a football isn’t always a sexist issue.

I caught an advert for the womens game the other day, a player toe poked a shot and the commentary described it as a ‘top finish’, surely the sound doesn’t match the action for the advert? Or is that regarded  as a top finish in the WSL?

The saturation will naturally divide opinion, as will the womens game. In truth, if we’re being entirely honest, aside from the premier league, and in turn the champions league, the rest of football is cast aside. You get the odd patronising recognition which I’m sure chesterfield will receive when they play Chelsea and this peddled hyperbole about the magic of the cup and small teams coming good etc but we know deep down they don’t care. They don’t even really care about the bottom half of the premier league…

Quoted from GollyGTFC

12 million viewing the the UK watched England v USA in the Semi-Final of the 2019 Women’s World Cup.

Suggests that bitter, old, sexist men like you who dismiss Women’s football as rubbish are in the minority.

I don't want to get drawn into the discussion about women's football but I will jump on the misuse of statistics, especially when they are flagrant nonsense.

12m viewers of the 2019 semi final shows nothing of the sort. The current population of England is around 56m, the UK is around 68m. Therefore a television audience of 12m is a clear minority of the English or UK population.

I have no idea what proportion of the UK population is 'bitter, old, sexist men' and neither do you. Any suggestion you make will be your opinion and have no basis in statistical fact.

Your stat could actually undermine your assertion. If we assume (as you have done) that 12m viewers were not bitter, old or sexist then it is equally feasible that the remaining population were bitter, old and sexist. That would mean that 44m English people were bitter, old and sexist. A very clear majority.

All that 12m viewers tells us is that 12m people were prepared to watch a football match and that happens to be the largest TV audience for a women's match in the UK so far.

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Or maybe the majority of the 12m were people like me who tuned in through curiosity, but ultimately drew the same sort of conclusions watching Toni Duggan hit corners directly out for a goal kick? They certainly didn’t do it to be entertained.

Women's football appears to be very entertaining:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-iEY-WqsC0

I imagine at some point in the far future men and women will have evolved to be physically and mentally equal, but we are not there yet.

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Or maybe the majority of the 12m were people like me who tuned in through curiosity, but ultimately drew the same sort of conclusions watching Toni Duggan hit corners directly out for a goal kick? They certainly didn’t do it to be entertained.

Anyway, I’ll not resort to calling you names or (incorrectly) guessing whether you’re old or not x.

1.01 Golly replies informing you that Duggan was an unused sub.

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Women's football appears to be very entertaining:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-iEY-WqsC0

I enjoyed that although to be fair I reckon you could see such dumbfounding incompetence in the men's game too if you looked hard enough- well maybe not quite but close!