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They couldn't, they're a smaller club than we are. Though they're properly wedged, don't seem to have that team spirit that Paul Hurst cultivates. Maybe they have players that have gone there for the wrong reasons.

I can't ever remember Wrexham being above division 4. They shouldn't be allowed to play in the English Football League anyway as they fail the most basic requirement.

I do worry about retaining Paul Hurst though, if a good sized club in the league comes in for him, I can see him going. I could certainly see him going to Rotherham, a traditionally smaller club that ourselves of course, but probably not nowadays sadly (thanks John).

Quoted from fishboyUTM

They couldn't, they're a smaller club than we are. Though they're properly wedged, don't seem to have that team spirit that Paul Hurst cultivates. Maybe they have players that have gone there for the wrong reasons.

I can't ever remember Wrexham being above division 4. They shouldn't be allowed to play in the English Football League anyway as they fail the most basic requirement.

I do worry about retaining Paul Hurst though, if a good sized club in the league comes in for him, I can see him going. I could certainly see him going to Rotherham, a traditionally smaller club that ourselves of course, but probably not nowadays sadly (thanks John).

Hmmm, that Wrexham comment is very arrogant, but we can sometimes come across like that too. Let’s not forget they did get 9,000 at a midweek home game the other night - we’ve not done that in decades, from memory. And as for us being a bigger club than Rotherham, I’m not so sure about that one either.

I can't believe that they are STILL the bookies favourites to win the league.

Quoted from marinernige

there's countless managers in this division we could get if we wanted.

Let's not give credence to someone who can't count up to 22.

A lot stranger things than that have happened in football.

I doubt he would go unless offered a hell of a lot of money though (which they can probably afford) because they have a director of football set up dont they? So he wouldn't be signing who he wants etc but just coaching. Can't see that appealing to him, I think he is definitely more of the traditional manager role type.

I doubt Hurst is looking to move on. We are in a good position with one of the best squads in the league, and undoubtedly one of the better league budgets too. No matter how well financed you are, there are no guarantees in getting out of this league. If we do, I personally think he'll stay.

Hurst has moved on once before and look where that got him. I think that will be in the back of his mind.

Hurst’s has his fingers burnt elsewhere. Think he’ll be here a while again.

Quoted from psgmariner

Money talks.

If they offered to double his salary do you think he would stay?

Ask the owners at Boston, Grimsby, Shrewsbury and Ipswich

He'd be gone like excrement off a shovel (and who would blame him, he manages football clubs to earn money not for fun)

I can't see Hurst moving anywhere. He put up the last 5 months of Fenty sh!t and found refreshing new owners who did what they said they would. Also add to the fact that he was told he would manage the football side of things and, now, Debbie the other side of the club.

He has the freedom to do as he wants, within budget. There is a positive plan to move the club forward and I think he has well and truly bought into that. He moved earlier on in his management career to Shrews and Ipswich and found the grass wasn't greener, nor was Fenty style Swann.

The Hurst comment says more about them and actually how they’re recognising that Bob a job Parkinson probably isn’t the right man for the job and they’ve just signed players people have heard of on big wages but it isn’t acruslly working as well as hoped at present…

It probably will come to fruition but the arrogance of their new found fans is astounding…

In many ways that statement is an admission that we currently have the better team..

Jason and Andrew have not got where they are by letting there best employees get head hunted if Paul hurst his proving his worth then they will do what is needed to keep him

Quoted from Les Brechin

I can't believe that they are STILL the bookies favourites to win the league.

They aren't actually the bookies genuine favourites, they just have to make them that as a result of all the money bet on them to avoid potential losses.

I never fret about whether players or managers get enticed away to pastures new. If you are doing well, bigger clubs with more money come sniffing eventually, though I don't see Wrexham as having the pull to take anyone from us at the moment.

We are top of the league, and chairmen, along with scouts, will be watching. Football has always been thus.

They’d have to give Fenty some compo too.

I dont think that Hurst has any intentions of being head hunted , He has what he wants here and would not have left before if he had got them off tight behind fenty. And probably more to he point the fans dont want him to go as we are seeing the true Hurst without the restraints he had before. I think he feels at home here and we are glad to have him

Quoted from Heisenberg

Hmmm, that Wrexham comment is very arrogant, but we can sometimes come across like that too. Let’s not forget they did get 9,000 at a midweek home game the other night - we’ve not done that in decades, from memory. And as for us being a bigger club than Rotherham, I’m not so sure about that one either.

At no point in the history of the Football League could Rotherham be described as a bigger club than Grimsby Town, until they opened the New York Stadium that is. The same could be said of Doncaster and the Keepmoat. Wrexham are potentially a bigger club, the town is smaller than Gy and Clee but the whole of North Wales is their catchment area and they would draw support from it if doing well - a bit like Norwich - smaller place than Hull but the whole of Norfolk is their catcment area.

Hurst is at a key juncture in his management career. He left here on an upward trajectory but since leaving Shrewsbury, it's been a slippery slope down that ended in a relegation out of the EFL on his CV.

As much as we know the contributing factors to that, relegation to non-league was under his management and not he who managed before him.

It's going very well right now but if he was to leave this season and fail elsewhere, I think that would pretty much be curtains. He's got it nice here, he's been able to bin off any players he doesn't want, nobody else is naming the team or signing players he doesn't want.

I would imagine he's done alright financially from his time at Ipswich and Scunthorpe.

I believe he would only leave us if the chance came to manage his hometown club Rotherham

I know some Rotherham fans who tell me he is still highly thought of my many fans there

I suspect PH wouldn’t have put a squad together in the way Wrexham have. It all looks a bit like non league Dream Team whereas we have put together a team with very decent deputies in all positions.

No way would PH have come back here to work under JSF.
He saw the vision of our new owners & saw the potential.
I believe he will stay to see the project through.

I don’t think there’s any immediate danger of PH being lured away at the moment, other than Rotherham coming in for him at some point, but hopefully by then he’s got us out of this league.

Wasn’t the rumour that he got 750k payout or something from Ipswich? I’d have to go back and find the article!

Quoted from Limerick Mariner

At no point in the history of the Football League could Rotherham be described as a bigger club than Grimsby Town, until they opened the New York Stadium that is. The same could be said of Doncaster and the Keepmoat. Wrexham are potentially a bigger club, the town is smaller than Gy and Clee but the whole of North Wales is their catchment area and they would draw support from it if doing well - a bit like Norwich - smaller place than Hull but the whole of Norfolk is their catcment area.

Completely agree. And I did say Rotherham are probably a bigger club than we are now. Divisional status, recent history, new ground.

I can't see Rotherham coming in for Hurst anytime soon if at all, Hurst is back managing in the national League again, (hopefully only one season as we get promoted), the only time he was in the championship he managed 1 win in 15 games, and he didn't do all that great at Scunthorpe, I do appreciate that Ipswich do seem to be an impossible club to manage and Scunthorpe is well Scunthorpe, but I do think that has reduced Hurst's stock quite dramatically, which Is good news for us!

Wrexham could do with a high profile manager next to really take them places. I here ian holloway is available

I do wonder what Hurst's career plans are now.  He still very much needs to rebuild his reputation with EFL clubs after unsuccessful stints at Ipswich and Scunny, and of course a relegation on his CV.  We've provided him with the ideal platform to do that and it's currently going very well.

So which club could he move to when the time comes?  When he left for Shrewsbury, it was regarded as a bit of a sideways move at the time, but he saw a setup that could give him what he needed to succeed.  Something that we definitely could not.  And I think that's what motivates him the most: having the ideal environment where has the resources and, crucially, autonomy to build teams that he enjoys being a part of.

We're currently the best and possibly only place that can offer that right now.  I think he will regret walking into the Ipswich and Scunny jobs where he didn't have full control of his personnel and will be wary of similar structures at other clubs.

He will of course leave when someone else offers him an environment that is better than ours.  I don't think that club will be Wrexham or anyone else in this league right now.  Also, we aren't small fry in this league or the one above; we can offer competitive contracts to people whom our management value.

Quoted from psgmariner

Money talks.

If they offered to double his salary do you think he would stay?

I'm as certain as I can be that he would stay if JS&AP matched (or bettered) the offer.

And I suspect that's what would happen. Jason & Andrew are no mugs.

So yes, money talks...and it can also talk back!

His league record isn’t all that to be fair .
He’s been on the merry go round and had his fingers burnt a few times .
Last time he was here for 5 years with little pressure other than comments on this site.
I suspect he’s under a lot less pressure now too

Quoted from grimps

His league record isn’t all that to be fair .
He’s been on the merry go round and had his fingers burnt a few times .
Last time he was here for 5 years with little pressure other than comments on this site.
I suspect he’s under a lot less pressure now too

Given the comments of some ex-players, I would have thought working for Fenty for 5 years would have put him under a lot of pressure. ;) ;)

Heart warming to see Paul being admired and discussed like this.

A great manager and I wish he hadn’t left first time around

I’d always been fairly vocal in my worries about Hurst but I think the person that has returned this season is a world away from the one who arrived the first time.

He’s far more relaxed, he seems far more tactically astute and way more progressive on the pitch. Whether that’s what he’s learnt elsewhere or it’s the confidence the new owners have given him I don’t know but I really hope he stays for as long as he’s performing well

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Heart warming to see Paul being admired and discussed like this.

A great manager and I wish he hadn’t left first time around

Don't we all. I bet Hurst can't believe his luck - going from working under the old regime with its complete inability to see the bigger picture (that is being very polite) to working for astute owners who value everyone involved in GTFC and who will be working towards a series of achievements completely alien to the old board.

There is always a chance Hurst might be poached if we achieve the success we hope for, but we would be in an incredibly good place should it ever happen, in terms of attracting the best replacements. I think we all hope the manager stays for a long time as his transformation has been almost as good as the clubs.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Heart warming to see Paul being admired and discussed like this.

A great manager and I wish he hadn’t left first time around

Perhaps if he’d been given the same level of back room staff that Slade was given then he would have stayed.

Maybe Hurst always was the manager we are now seeing, but he was doing his job here with one hand tied behind his back.

He worked incredibly hard to get us back into the EFL, but then got Fentied. He wasn't given the infrastructure he was promised and promptly left at the first opportunity. He almost performed a miracle at Shrewsbury, but just missed out and was head hunted by Ipswich. That turned into a disaster and his stock fell so low, he ended up at Scunny, who were in the same downward spiral as we have been over the seasons, with a manic chairman. He didn't last there very long and his departure was a bit odd.

He's now back here with the support he should have got first time around when he got us out of the National League. That season was going well despite the obvious lack of backing from the old board. A great opportunity was missed there by those who never learned from our past mistakes.

Now he has the backing and the off field facilities, he's showing that he's capable, given the resources, of putting together a strong, exciting, attacking team.

The only thing he hasn't achieved yet in his career, is a straight promotion without going through the play offs. Very difficult task in a league with only one automatic promotion spot, but he is giving it a good go.

Quoted from Fillipe Noche

Heart warming to see Paul being admired and discussed like this.

A great manager and I wish he hadn’t left first time around

My memory is poor nowadays...but weren't you the guy who scoffed at the notion that Town would get thousands of extra fans once we got rid of sh1tbag Fenty?

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

No way would PH have come back here to work under JSF.
He saw the vision of our new owners & saw the potential.
I believe he will stay to see the project through.

The project being to successfully reach the Premier League and Champions league please :) ;)

Quoted from 137

My memory is poor nowadays...but weren't you the guy who scoffed at the notion that Town would get thousands of extra fans once we got rid of sh1tbag Fenty?

No that was Pen Penfras

There is a lot of praise for Hurst, and rightly so because so far he has done a brilliant job, probably exceeding what most of us were expecting.

Just a shout out to the new owners. Hurst was given half a season and signed a lot of players in order to save us from relegation and he failed. It would have been very, very easy for JS and AP to says thanks Paul but we want something different. Many owners would have done, and a number of fans wanted him gone, but they stood firm, gave him their backing and told him he is their man and we are reaping the rewards.

UTFM

It’s clear to see PH just had to much dross to work with thanks to Hollowhead and Fenty and wasn’t able to recruit what he wanted in to save us. Proved a lot of us wrong in the Summer with his excellent recruitment and the football he is playing is a cut above anything I recall from his first spell here.

Quoted from marinernige

Yes

Perhaps if you asked Shrewsbury fans you might change your mind as many thought he did a "Slade" before their play-off final.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Perhaps if you asked Shrewsbury fans you might change your mind as many thought he did a "Slade" before their play-off final.

Who knows? Hurst strikes me as a man with more integrity than Slade, but there are certainly some uncanny similarities between the two scenarios. Hurst was appointed at Ipswich just three days after losing the play-off final, so it seems unlikely that he would have been unaware of their interest going into that game.

Ultimately, few people go about their career entirely selflessly (some even less so than others), so I think it becomes less a question of “would he go?” than “what would it take for him to go?”.

Money is going to be a big factor in that, of course it is, but Hurst has to think about his career longer-term. Let’s just lay it out as it is - he’s gone from managing in the Championship to the National League in the space of three years. That’s not a good career trajectory, and one of the reasons we were able to attract him at the foot of League Two was that his stock had dropped sufficiently.

He needs to tread carefully over the next couple of years in order to revive his career in the long-term. At the minute, he’s working for good, progressive owners who are backing him to the hilt, and knows he will get time should there ever be a rocky period. It’s currently going very well and he appears happy and relaxed in his work.

Wrexham on the other hand are a bit of a poisoned chalice. I’d argue the way they’ve gone about their business and the huge disparity they’ve created in their wage structure makes the job a lot more difficult than it looks from the outside in. Success will be expected quickly, and if it doesn’t arrive, I expect the manager will be dispatched in relative short order.

Even if it goes well, how much credit does the manager get? It was all because of the money, wasn’t it? I just don’t think Wrexham would represent a good career move right now. Parkinson will be on good money no doubt, but he’s on the old fabled “rolling contract”. Perform and he gets paid well, but there will be no golden goodbye if he doesn’t.

Back to my earlier point though, everyone has a price. But Wrexham would have to underwrite a huge amount of risk on Hurst’s part for him to leave, in my opinion. I think it would take a 4 or 5x multiple of his current package for him to consider taking it on, and I very much doubt that would be on the table.

Ultimately though I hope they don’t even make such an attempt as it would be disruptive. For that reason though, if they were to sack Parkinson, I would expect them to at least have a go - if it doesn’t come off at least it runs the risk of unsettling a rival.

One to watch, in my opinion.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Perhaps if you asked Shrewsbury fans you might change your mind as many thought he did a "Slade" before their play-off final.

Just read about a manager who joined a club in 1986, took him 7 years to win the league in1993. He must have had some offers on the way to winning the league, and according to some he was nearly sacked. So let hope Paul Hurst can emulate Sir Alex Ferguson.

Quoted from DB

Just read about a manager who joined a club in 1986, took him 7 years to win the league in1983. He must have had some offers on the way to winning the league, and according to some he was nearly sacked. So let hope Paul Hurst can emulate Sir Alex Ferguson.

That’s some pretty impressive time travelling, right there.

Quoted from Poojah

That’s some pretty impressive time travelling, right there.

Thank you my friend, amend. Unfortunately, I have a 'frozen shoulder' and it makes typing difficult at the moment.

Quoted from DB

Thank you my friend, amend. Unfortunately, I have a 'frozen shoulder' and it makes typing difficult at the moment.

Excuses. You should learn to poof read.

Interesting that posters above are suggesting that Stockwood and Petit 'stuck by' Hurst after last season.

It is conceivable that Hurst went on the front foot and did a 'this is what we need to do, this is what I need to be able to do it, we can be successful if we....'

And S+P thought that was the right message and attitude.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

No that was Pen Penfras

anyone heard from my old chum pen penfras recently?

no, thought not, obviously waiting for that first home/unexpected defeat before returning with his lies

(am also still waiting for this exodus of unhappy and disillusioned staff that he promised a couple of months ago)

Quoted from forza ivano

anyone heard from my old chum pen penfras recently?

no, thought not, obviously waiting for that first home/unexpected defeat before returning with his lies

(am also still waiting for this exodus of unhappy and disillusioned staff that he promised a couple of months ago)

Was just about to ask if anyone had heard from him? Was starting to worry…

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

He did, 50% proof

Gave you a tick. I do try but spelling, English grammar errors I am known for in the past. The truth is though I do have a Frozen Shoulder and it's bloody painful, as anybody who had one will tell you.

Quoted from forza ivano

anyone heard from my old chum pen penfras recently?

no, thought not, obviously waiting for that first home/unexpected defeat before returning with his lies

(am also still waiting for this exodus of unhappy and disillusioned staff that he promised a couple of months ago)

Not surprised he doesn't post much, if he said I am going to give the Club £30m to spend no strings attached he would still get unneccesary insults and 50 red crosses as he passed the cheque to the owners. I do think its sad that this board automatically try and put people down who don't have the same opiniion of a set clique on here using derogatory language in a lot of cases. :-/

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Not surprised he doesn't post much, if he said I am going to give the Club £30m to spend no strings attached he would still get unneccesary insults and 50 red crosses as he passed the cheque to the owners. I do think its sad that this board automatically try and put people down who don't have the same opiniion of a set clique on here using derogatory language in a lot of cases. :-/

You’re tarring everyone with the same brush. The wrong brush too.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Not surprised he doesn't post much, if he said I am going to give the Club £30m to spend no strings attached he would still get unneccesary insults and 50 red crosses as he passed the cheque to the owners. I do think its sad that this board automatically try and put people down who don't have the same opiniion of a set clique on here using derogatory language in a lot of cases. :-/

What an odd thing to say…if you’re gonna go on a forum of a club and essentially support the worst owner in the clubs history, make unsubstantiated claims about the new ownership and then deride folk for being optimistic then one has to expect some challenge…

Odd really, I’m sure our Welsh friend would admit that whilst I, along with others have disagreed with his comments about Fenty etc, I have actually quoted and agreed with him on other things…

Probably need to put that tarring brush away mate…

Quoted from forza ivano

anyone heard from my old chum pen penfras recently?

no, thought not, obviously waiting for that first home/unexpected defeat before returning with his lies

(am also still waiting for this exodus of unhappy and disillusioned staff that he promised a couple of months ago)

Just wanted to say you got a ton of respect from me for confronting the Fenty @rselickers head-on, by challenging them to justify the BS they
were peddling.

Well done mate.

Quoted from aldi_01

What an odd thing to say…if you’re gonna go on a forum of a club and essentially support the worst owner in the clubs history, make unsubstantiated claims about the new ownership and then deride folk for being optimistic then one has to expect some challenge…

Odd really, I’m sure our Welsh friend would admit that whilst I, along with others have disagreed with his comments about Fenty etc, I have actually quoted and agreed with him on other things…

Probably need to put that tarring brush away mate…

Agree with all if that and likewise although I disagreed with his fawning over fenty, I still thought he often talked sense over matters on the pitch.

Quoted from moosey_club

They aren't actually the bookies genuine favourites, they just have to make them that as a result of all the money bet on them to avoid potential losses.

Aye, they're the worst result in the book by a long way at the one I work at.

GTFC on the other hand are a healthy profit as it stands, so happy to keep the odds out.

Pen Penfras is probably waiting for our next defeat where he will post to say that the dressing room is fractured with the management and players all hating the new owners, and there is an imminent mass exodus of staff, including Hurst and Doig who will hand in their resignations imminently, he will post this despite us still being 6 points clear at the top.

Quoted from Davec

Pen Penfras is probably waiting for our next defeat where he will post to say that the dressing room is fractured with the management and players all hating the new owners, and there is an imminent mass exodus of staff, including Hurst and Doig who will hand in their resignations imminently, he will post this despite us still being 6 points clear at the top.

I thought this thread was about deluded Welsh people. Oh hang on a minute…

😆

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Not surprised he doesn't post much, if he said I am going to give the Club £30m to spend no strings attached he would still get unneccesary insults and 50 red crosses as he passed the cheque to the owners. I do think its sad that this board automatically try and put people down who don't have the same opiniion of a set clique on here using derogatory language in a lot of cases. :-/

If red crosses upset you there is a feature to turn them off, don't base your life on social media approval from people you don't know. You're also not really understanding the issue of people who only seem to appear when things are not going well or just spread negative propaganda. The person in question is top of the list of what I'd describe as a concern troll, they bring up these fictional concerns about how the club is being run and about the new owners or other aspects like Hurst or the coaching, accounts, etc. The person who pretends to be Phillip Day would be another although they seem to have forgot it was a troll account now anyway and post normally as a supporter. Their only goal is to spread negativity among the fanbase and paint the club in a bad light or just to start forum arguments with outlandish claims that have no evidence. They aren't just having different opinions on things.

The fact they have barely been around while things are going well says it all really and there are other accounts that aren't around so much right now that were making 5 threads a day last season of winding people up and then double when Hurst returned and new owners were on their way in full of "I have some concerns...".

I dont give a toss about red xs just used that as the example of the sort of thing that was happening, in the fact that it would not matter what a person says right or wrong they are immediately shouted down by a bunch of people and I am not just referring to Pen whatever it is.

Hurst has never looked so happy in his job as he does now so I can not see him leaving anytime soon.

Not many managers have got full control of the playing side and budget.

Unless some premiership club comes in for him with a blank cheque book after getting us promoted 2 or 3 times he will be here long term the only club I can realistically see Paul leaving for us is Rotherham.

That hopefully won't happen as we will end up in the championship sometime in the next decade and by then Paul might think Grimsby is now home and Rotherham would not be such a big draw to him.

Quoted from Kris2

If red crosses upset you there is a feature to turn them off, don't base your life on social media approval from people you don't know. You're also not really understanding the issue of people who only seem to appear when things are not going well or just spread negative propaganda. The person in question is top of the list of what I'd describe as a concern troll, they bring up these fictional concerns about how the club is being run and about the new owners or other aspects like Hurst or the coaching, accounts, etc. The person who pretends to be Phillip Day would be another although they seem to have forgot it was a troll account now anyway and post normally as a supporter. Their only goal is to spread negativity among the fanbase and paint the club in a bad light or just to start forum arguments with outlandish claims that have no evidence. They aren't just having different opinions on things.

The fact they have barely been around while things are going well says it all really and there are other accounts that aren't around so much right now that were making 5 threads a day last season of winding people up and then double when Hurst returned and new owners were on their way in full of "I have some concerns...".

Brilliant summary. ;) ;) ;

Quoted from grimsby pete

Hurst has never looked so happy in his job as he does now so I can not see him leaving anytime soon.

Not many managers have got full control of the playing side and budget.

Unless some premiership club comes in for him with a blank cheque book after getting us promoted 2 or 3 times he will be here long term the only club I can realistically see Paul leaving for us is Rotherham.

That hopefully won't happen as we will end up in the championship sometime in the next decade and by then Paul might think Grimsby is now home and Rotherham would not be such a big draw to him.

Agreed. Hurst looks and sounds about 10% less dour than he did last time.