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Posted by: Fette Schlange, July 23, 2021, 8:48pm
Vernam and Tshimanga rumoured to be signing next week
Posted by: marinerdazza, July 23, 2021, 8:54pm; Reply: 1
Lol.
Posted by: IlkleyMariner, July 23, 2021, 8:55pm; Reply: 2
Would not be surprised if vernham returned as he never really cut it at Bradford and has local connection

Don’t know about the other guy but could be a good signing
Posted by: jamesgtfc, July 23, 2021, 9:02pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from Fette Schlange
Vernam and Tshimanga rumoured to be signing next week


So we've got Head Cod and not Fat Snake as members on here.
Posted by: pizzzza, July 23, 2021, 9:28pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from Fette Schlange
Tshimanga


Bless you!
Posted by: LH, July 23, 2021, 9:30pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from jamesgtfc


So we've got Head Cod and not Fat Snake as members on here.


Fat Cobra was a former WUM so I’ll take this rumour with a bucket full of salt.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 23, 2021, 9:38pm; Reply: 6
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Posted by: Hurstomariner, July 23, 2021, 9:39pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Fette Schlange
Vernam and Tshimanga rumoured to be signing next week


Hope so , is that a good source ??
Posted by: Heswall Mariner, July 23, 2021, 9:57pm; Reply: 8
Bette Schlange!- well well after all this time, Remember the night we had behind the marquee during he East Coast Jazz Festival circa 1965? I think Ollie Patterson & you were  the  singers with Chris Barber. Anyway I must fly back to my cuckoos nest now - the nurse is here. xx
Posted by: pen penfras, July 24, 2021, 8:13am; Reply: 9
Quoted from IlkleyMariner
Would not be surprised if vernham returned as he never really cut it at Bradford and has local connection

Don’t know about the other guy but could be a good signing


Other than 5 games for us, Vernam hasn't cut it anywhere.
Posted by: fishboyUTM, July 24, 2021, 8:22am; Reply: 10
I'm informed this is possible on both counts. We badly need youth and legs and these two lads have quality. Tshimanga is a proven goal machine at this level, Vernam will find it easy. We badly need a proper number 9 as we look short of goals up top IMO.
Posted by: acko338, July 24, 2021, 8:39am; Reply: 11
The rumours fit the requirements, but as always, Paul Hurst will be working behind the scenes in his own quiet way until the ink is dry on new contracts.

Rumours have been rarer this year with the early signings, so will this one be the last rush to finish the team squad?
Posted by: Mendonca1995, July 24, 2021, 8:41am; Reply: 12
Quoted from fishboyUTM
I'm informed this is possible on both counts. We badly need youth and legs and these two lads have quality. Tshimanga is a proven goal machine at this level, Vernam will find it easy. We badly need a proper number 9 as we look short of goals up top IMO.


Seems tshimanga going to league 1 Bolton, Plymouth and Crewe also interested 😔
Posted by: jimgtfc, July 24, 2021, 8:56am; Reply: 13
Tshimanga is rumoured to be training with Rotherham.
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, July 24, 2021, 9:41am; Reply: 14
A lad from Maidenhead (Barrett?) and one from altrincham (Hancock?) from what I can make out have the potential to be making the switch over to BP
Posted by: ClarkyGTFC, July 24, 2021, 10:09am; Reply: 15
Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
A lad from Maidenhead (Barrett?) and one from altrincham (Hancock?) from what I can make out have the potential to be making the switch over to BP


Hope it’s not Matt Hancock although he is good at making a pass 🤔
Posted by: Davec, July 24, 2021, 10:36am; Reply: 16
Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
A lad from Maidenhead (Barrett?) and one from altrincham (Hancock?) from what I can make out have the potential to be making the switch over to BP


Both of them got double figures last season goalswise, Barrett a winger and Hancock a midfielder it seems
Posted by: mimma, July 24, 2021, 10:41am; Reply: 17
Matt Hancock is good at sneaking in behind to score 😁
Posted by: marinerdazza, July 24, 2021, 10:44am; Reply: 18
Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
A lad from Maidenhead (Barrett?) and one from altrincham (Hancock?) from what I can make out have the potential to be making the switch over to BP


This seems much more feasible.
Posted by: Teesknees, July 24, 2021, 10:59am; Reply: 19
Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
A lad from Maidenhead (Barrett?) and one from altrincham (Hancock?) from what I can make out have the potential to be making the switch over to BP


Have the potential? A lot of players have the potential, doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Posted by: Fette Schlange, July 24, 2021, 11:15am; Reply: 20
Both town and Vernam want this move to happen, but there’s been no talk with Bradford yet
Posted by: marinerdazza, July 24, 2021, 11:40am; Reply: 21
Quoted from Fette Schlange
Both town and Vernam want this move to happen, but there’s been no talk with Bradford yet


Well if he’s signing next week, someone ought to mention it to Bradford soon.
Posted by: jamesgtfc, July 24, 2021, 11:58am; Reply: 22
Quoted from Fette Schlange
Vernam and Tshimanga rumoured to be signing next week


Quoted from Fette Schlange
Both town and Vernam want this move to happen, but there’s been no talk with Bradford yet


Has anyone let Ryan Sparks know?
Posted by: marinerjase, July 24, 2021, 12:15pm; Reply: 23
Absolute rubbish…

Everyone knows Town don’t make a signing until Noche has been told.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 24, 2021, 12:28pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from Fette Schlange
Both town and Vernam want this move to happen, but there’s been no talk with Bradford yet


Grimsby Town Football Club are not a sentient being and therefore can't "want" as that is an emotion.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, July 24, 2021, 12:52pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from GollyGTFC


Grimsby Town Football Club are not a sentient being and therefore can't "want" as that is an emotion.


Grimsby Town Football Club is singular. Otherwise correct. ;)

Posted by: Neilo83, July 24, 2021, 2:44pm; Reply: 26
Any sign of trialist B at the game yet?
Posted by: fiveallive, July 24, 2021, 3:20pm; Reply: 27
I can't see Vernam coming back he's on a 18 month deal unless there new manager has said he's not part of the plans he did score 2 in 2 for Bradford.

Hurst tried to sign Vernam and he turned us down in January which to be fair I don't blame him the state we was in.

So Bradford will want money for him or possible loan we know from dealing with them with Ross Hannah so it won't be easy.
Posted by: IlkleyMariner, July 24, 2021, 4:03pm; Reply: 28
Vernham currently one of 12 named replacements in Bradford city lineup
Posted by: Withnail, July 24, 2021, 4:06pm; Reply: 29


Grimsby Town Football Club is singular. Otherwise correct. ;)



And yet bizarrely an exception is made for sporting teams, as it is with the police, so they're always referred to as plural.

So police are looking for...

Grimsby Town are hoping to gain promotion....

But any other group (the council, the government, Camra, the FA, the ECB etc...) it's singular, so it's 'is' rather than 'are'.

God, I sound like geek...
Posted by: 1542 (Guest), July 24, 2021, 4:27pm; Reply: 30
Well, Vernam has come on for the last 25 minutes of Bradford’s Friendly this afternoon so, unless this is the manager just taking a look, I would suggest he’s part of their plans moving forward.

I can’t see Tshimanga coming anywhere near us, he’ll move to League 2 minimum.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 24, 2021, 5:01pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from mimma
Matt Hancock is good at sneaking in behind to score 😁


Got a good record of scoring on camera too so would be up for it on televised games.
Posted by: pen penfras, July 24, 2021, 6:55pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Withnail


And yet bizarrely an exception is made for sporting teams, as it is with the police, so they're always referred to as plural.

So police are looking for...

Grimsby Town are hoping to gain promotion....

But any other group (the council, the government, Camra, the FA, the ECB etc...) it's singular, so it's 'is' rather than 'are'.

God, I sound like geek...


That's an Americanism that's become the normal now. In britain, companies were referred to as plural entities and that is how I always refer to them.
Posted by: Withnail, July 24, 2021, 8:03pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from pen penfras


That's an Americanism that's become the normal now. In britain, companies were referred to as plural entities and that is how I always refer to them.


Er...no, it's not an Americanism, it's English grammar.

An organisation is singular rather than plural so it's the NHS is, rather than the NHS are.

Enough pedantry though....let's get back to GTFC.

UTM
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 24, 2021, 8:44pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Withnail


Er...no, it's not an Americanism, it's English grammar.

An organisation is singular rather than plural so it's the NHS is, rather than the NHS are.

Enough pedantry though....let's get back to GTFC.

UTM


To be even more pedantic for a bit longer, English has never had a formally accepted, universal grammar. The ‘rules’ evolve and are whatever is (are?) currently accepted. Some of the grammar ‘rules’ were attempts to impose Latin grammar completely inappropriately as modern English is a non-inflected language. 😉
Posted by: marinerdazza, July 24, 2021, 8:50pm; Reply: 35
The more you know 🌟
Posted by: WayneBurnettsJockstrap, July 24, 2021, 9:32pm; Reply: 36
Can i suggest you listen to a podcast called "Something Rhymes with Purple" with Suzy Dent and Gyles Brandreth. They, well Suzy actually, explain the meanings of words, English grammar and it's origins in many other languages. Many of your questions are answered in the podcasts.
Posted by: denni266, July 24, 2021, 9:36pm; Reply: 37
Ronnie Barker was brilliant with words,  :P
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 24, 2021, 10:29pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from Withnail


Er...no, it's not an Americanism, it's English grammar.

An organisation is singular rather than plural so it's the NHS is, rather than the NHS are.

Enough pedantry though....let's get back to GTFC.

UTM


Sorry, but it is.

American English refers to a company as a singular entity (is/was etc...) whilst in British English a company is generally taken to be a collective noun (are/were etc...)

Anyway, it's not worth arguing about. Mainly because you're wrong (sorry)
Posted by: forza ivano, July 24, 2021, 10:31pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
A lad from Maidenhead (Barrett?) and one from altrincham (Hancock?) from what I can make out have the potential to be making the switch over to BP


https://www.footballinbracknell.co.uk/news/transfer-news/55339/sam-barratt-makes-maidenhead-united-commitment/  only just signed a new contract so seems unlikely plus he's a winger which we are certainly not short of
Hancock is almost 31 so don't really see why we'd be interested
Posted by: friskneymariner, July 24, 2021, 10:59pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from forza ivano


https://www.footballinbracknell.co.uk/news/transfer-news/55339/sam-barratt-makes-maidenhead-united-commitment/  only just signed a new contract so seems unlikely plus he's a winger which we are certainly not short of
Hancock is almost 31 so don't really see why we'd be interested


Always good for half an hour.
Posted by: RichMariner, July 25, 2021, 1:13am; Reply: 41
Take it from someone with an English degree, a dissertation in the history of spelling and years reading books on the mechanics of our language…

English is flexible as hell. You can refer to teams or clubs either using the singular or plural. Generally, it’s ‘Grimsby are’ when talking about team performance, and ‘Grimsby is’ when talking about business performance i.e. financial. Even then, that’s not a hard-and-fast rule - just like there’s never been a rule to say you shouldn’t split an infinitive, or that you can’t start a sentence with a conjunction like ‘and’ or ‘because’.

Written language is designed to reflect the way we speak. So if people say ‘Grimsby are’ when the pedants think it should technically be ‘Grimsby is’ then just write whatever sounds correct. That’d be my advice.

The one rule I’d suggest we all remember, though, is to chill out and stop being so pedantic with each other.
Posted by: aldi_01, July 25, 2021, 3:34am; Reply: 42
And if we look to the future it would appear that Grimsby is on the cusp of signing a couple of players this week, hopefully players that can push the club forward. Grimsby are only a signing or two from a good side in my opinion…

That ok?
Posted by: Davec, July 25, 2021, 9:16am; Reply: 43
Quoted from forza ivano


https://www.footballinbracknell.co.uk/news/transfer-news/55339/sam-barratt-makes-maidenhead-united-commitment/  only just signed a new contract so seems unlikely plus he's a winger which we are certainly not short of
Hancock is almost 31 so don't really see why we'd be interested


our number 7 shirt is still vacant so that would indicate we will see another winger coming through the door.
Posted by: Grimsby2012, July 25, 2021, 9:32am; Reply: 44
Quoted from jamesgtfc




Has anyone let Ryan Sparks know?


My electrician had the same name.
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, July 25, 2021, 10:07am; Reply: 45
Quoted from forza ivano


https://www.footballinbracknell.co.uk/news/transfer-news/55339/sam-barratt-makes-maidenhead-united-commitment/  only just signed a new contract so seems unlikely plus he's a winger which we are certainly not short of
Hancock is almost 31 so don't really see why we'd be interested


Hence the question marks after the players (I was merely guessing at them). Just what I heard about players from the 2 clubs. We could be looking at plenty of players, and quite rightly so, so any number of clubs could be thrown into the ring. They’ve gotta be right at some point you would’ve thought
Posted by: pen penfras, July 25, 2021, 11:48am; Reply: 46
Quoted from GollyGTFC


Sorry, but it is.

American English refers to a company as a singular entity (is/was etc...) whilst in British English a company is generally taken to be a collective noun (are/were etc...)

Anyway, it's not worth arguing about. Mainly because you're wrong (sorry)


Yep, It 100% is an Americanism that's got in under the radar. Until I dealt with big multi-national companies, I'd never even noticed a company referred to as a singular entity. It's getting much more common now, and I was watching a documentary where a UK tech company boss was annoyed at people using both versions so mandated that everybody refers to companies as a singular entity.
Posted by: friskneymariner, July 25, 2021, 12:32pm; Reply: 47
Text speak is now creeping into language.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 25, 2021, 1:06pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from friskneymariner
Text speak is now creeping into language.


Thought the true art of text speak was dying out as it was needed for an interim technology (using alphanumeric keys on old mobile phones) as opposed to using touch screens with qwerty keyboards.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, July 25, 2021, 1:39pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from pen penfras


Yep, It 100% is an Americanism that's got in under the radar. Until I dealt with big multi-national companies, I'd never even noticed a company referred to as a singular entity. It's getting much more common now, and I was watching a documentary where a UK tech company boss was annoyed at people using both versions so mandated that everybody refers to companies as a singular entity.


With respect PP that is simply untrue. I can remember in 1964 having a Use Of English essay returned marked down for every time I had used the phrase “the Labour Party are” and being told that I should only use “are” in a context where I was writing about a group of named members of the party.

Posted by: Abdul19, July 25, 2021, 1:58pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from KingstonMariner


Thought the true art of text speak was dying out as it was needed for an interim technology (using alphanumeric keys on old mobile phones) as opposed to using touch screens with qwerty keyboards.


I thought that too, but a lot of lads at work (who are significantly younger than me and have never heard of a Nokia 3310) write stuff like 'cya'.

I'm like totes u wot m8.
Posted by: mimma, July 25, 2021, 1:59pm; Reply: 51
Another annoying Americanism that has now crept into the English dictionary is the use of "z" to replace "s" in words like "specialised".
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, July 25, 2021, 2:18pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from Abdul19


I thought that too, but a lot of lads at work (who are significantly younger than me and have never heard of a Nokia 3310) write stuff like 'cya'.

I'm like totes u wot m8.


What the fu(k does wtf stand for 🤷🏻‍♂️
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 25, 2021, 3:49pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from Abdul19


I thought that too, but a lot of lads at work (who are significantly younger than me and have never heard of a Nokia 3310) write stuff like 'cya'.

I'm like totes u wot m8.


Weird innit. Must be some sort of fashion for the 90s. My kids abbreviate a lot of stuff (like ‘k’ for OK, which is obviously too much to write) but not so much text speak - even LOL is gone because of 😂
Posted by: LH, July 25, 2021, 4:40pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from mimma
Another annoying Americanism that has now crept into the English dictionary is the use of "z" to replace "s" in words like "specialised".


Noticed this on the vid of the newly renovated Cheapside which has a ‘authorized personnel only’ sign.

Great thread this by the way - from two obviously balderdash rumours to grammar in six pages.
Posted by: friskneymariner, July 25, 2021, 4:51pm; Reply: 55
Where has this habit of beginning a sentence with,'' so '' come from.
Posted by: WayneBurnettsJockstrap, July 25, 2021, 5:09pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from friskneymariner
Text speak is now creeping into language.


Surely you mean txt spk?
Posted by: Teestogreen, July 25, 2021, 5:25pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from friskneymariner
Where has this habit of beginning a sentence with,'' so '' come from.


So ……  😂

You’re spot on - it seems to be a way of slowing down a deliberate answer to a question - to consider the answer -so as not to mess the answer up.
Posted by: forza ivano, July 25, 2021, 5:45pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from friskneymariner
Where has this habit of beginning a sentence with,'' so '' come from.

I REALLY feckin hate that!

and to combine with the other half of the thread;  Ira rumoured to be trialing with the Monkey Hangers
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 25, 2021, 5:47pm; Reply: 59
Quoted from forza ivano

I REALLY feckin hate that!

and to combine with the other half of the thread;  Ira rumoured to be trialing with the Monkey Hangers


So, he could be back in the Football League before us?!
Posted by: Teestogreen, July 25, 2021, 6:01pm; Reply: 60
So - if so
Best of luck to Ira - I would have liked to have seen him at Grimsby Town another season - think he’s got a good brain and some striking skill - given some service.
UTM
Posted by: arryarryarry, July 25, 2021, 6:03pm; Reply: 61
Quoted from forza ivano


I REALLY feckin hate that!



I'm with you on that one. :X
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 25, 2021, 6:05pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from RichMariner
Take it from someone with an English degree, a dissertation in the history of spelling and years reading books on the mechanics of our language…

English is flexible as hell. You can refer to teams or clubs either using the singular or plural. Generally, it’s ‘Grimsby are’ when talking about team performance, and ‘Grimsby is’ when talking about business performance i.e. financial. Even then, that’s not a hard-and-fast rule - just like there’s never been a rule to say you shouldn’t split an infinitive, or that you can’t start a sentence with a conjunction like ‘and’ or ‘because’.

Written language is designed to reflect the way we speak. So if people say ‘Grimsby are’ when the pedants think it should technically be ‘Grimsby is’ then just write whatever sounds correct. That’d be my advice.

The one rule I’d suggest we all remember, though, is to chill out and stop being so pedantic with each other.


English degree hey…

So he’s wrong with authority. 👍🏼
Posted by: Fillipe Noche, July 25, 2021, 6:12pm; Reply: 63
Language and words have evolved over the ages.

Many words that you would consider to be very normal and well established English, were once slang and ill thought of speak, that found their way into English language and accepted now as the norm
Posted by: ska face, July 25, 2021, 6:30pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from Fillipe Noche
Language and words have evolved over the ages.

Many words that you would consider to be very normal and well established English, were once slang and ill thought of speak, that found their way into English language and accepted now as the norm


You got some transfer news for us Pip my man?
Posted by: Teesknees, July 25, 2021, 7:12pm; Reply: 65
Quoted from Fillipe Noche
Language and words have evolved over the ages.

Many words that you would consider to be very normal and well established English, were once slang and ill thought of speak, that found their way into English language and accepted now as the norm


So sorry can't see any clues in there! Other than someone who's English called Norman so?

So.
Posted by: golfer, July 25, 2021, 7:15pm; Reply: 66
This thread started by saying Vernham was rumoured to be signing - it has now been taken over by  B.M.F.'s
Posted by: dicko995, July 25, 2021, 9:07pm; Reply: 67
Like most topics do golfer, most are turned into jokes etc, by jokers.
Posted by: Abdul19, July 25, 2021, 9:08pm; Reply: 68
*Vernam
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, July 25, 2021, 9:50pm; Reply: 69
We used to comment on “loosing” games.

I was told years ago that it is incorrect to start a letter “I am writing to you”.  This is self-evident and you would not start a letter “I am typing to you”.
Posted by: tashee69, July 25, 2021, 10:44pm; Reply: 70
Quoted from friskneymariner


Always good for half an hour.


Errr stop messin about 🤣
Posted by: bobbyturtle, July 25, 2021, 10:52pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from Fillipe Noche
Language and words have evolved over the ages.

Many words that you would consider to be very normal and well established English, were once slang and ill thought of speak, that found their way into English language and accepted now as the norm


Yep, that is fact. We all change all the time, it's what we're meant to do. Language too. There's a great Stephen fry video explaining. Utm
Posted by: Theimperialcoroner, July 26, 2021, 10:43am; Reply: 72
Quoted from Fillipe Noche
Language and words have evolved over the ages.

Many words that you would consider to be very normal and well established English, were once slang and ill thought of speak, that found their way into English language and accepted now as the norm


Made more evident by street names. Something perfectly acceptable in previous times is now not ok.
For example did you know Love Lane was previously called Gropecunt Lane due to the prostitution that went on down there.
Posted by: smokey111, July 26, 2021, 11:02am; Reply: 73
Quoted from Fillipe Noche
Language and words have evolved over the ages.

Many words that you would consider to be very normal and well established English, were once slang and ill thought of speak, that found their way into English language and accepted now as the norm


Never sure if it is morals or morales. Know anyone who could advise?
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 26, 2021, 11:13am; Reply: 74
Quoted from smokey111


Never sure if it is morals or morales. Know anyone who could advise?


Moral(s) [morul] is to do with good behaviour.

Morale [mor-al] (not really used in the plural in English) is to do with the mood or spirit of a military unit or sports team, or other group of people.

E.G.
John Fenty showed poor moral judgement by introducing a convicted fraudster to GTFC and the council.
Despite the recent relegation, morale is high at GTFC since the departure of John Fenty. 😁

Posted by: devs, July 26, 2021, 11:29am; Reply: 75
Could of
Should of
Would of

NO!

Could HAVE
Should HAVE
Would HAVE

'going forward' - two utterly wasted words
EG: We are going to do this 'going forward' - well, when else would you do it?

Shop assistants: "Would you like a bag today?"
Me: "No - I'll struggle home with the shopping and come back for the bag tomorrow"

Loads more... rantings of a 60-year-old!
Posted by: RichMariner, July 26, 2021, 11:41am; Reply: 76
I know this thread has gone vastly off topic, but just to add to the grammar stuff...

The thing I've learnt most over the years, as a writer and former pedant, is to either embrace things just let it go. Yes, there are times when grammar is totally incorrect, and there are spellings I don't personally like (the -ize instead of -ise at the end of words) but a message board isn't the place to pull people up over it.

I'm fascinated by language and how it evolves. The more flexible it is, the more of a future it has. People all around the world speak English — mainly because of our colonial history, but also because it allows us to be more expressive than other languages. That's its real strength.

Take away that ability to play with it, bend it, abuse the so-called rules and you're left with a structured language like Latin, which died off because it was never suitable for the way people would evolve to speak in the future.

The way we speak today is different from the way we spoke hundreds of years ago - even decades ago. Written language needs to evolve with it.

Remember when 'email' had a hyphen? Read a book that was written pre-1940 and 'today' was spelled 'to-day'. Anything that's currently hyphenated e.g. 'free-kick' will probably lose its hyphen in time, like 'straightforward'.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, July 26, 2021, 11:57am; Reply: 77
Quoted from RichMariner
I know this thread has gone vastly off topic, but just to add to the grammar stuff...

The thing I've learnt most over the years, as a writer and former pedant, is to either embrace things just let it go. Yes, there are times when grammar is totally incorrect, and there are spellings I don't personally like (the -ize instead of -ise at the end of words) but a message board isn't the place to pull people up over it.

I'm fascinated by language and how it evolves. The more flexible it is, the more of a future it has. People all around the world speak English — mainly because of our colonial history, but also because it allows us to be more expressive than other languages. That's its real strength.

Take away that ability to play with it, bend it, abuse the so-called rules and you're left with a structured language like Latin, which died off because it was never suitable for the way people would evolve to speak in the future.

The way we speak today is different from the way we spoke hundreds of years ago - even decades ago. Written language needs to evolve with it.

Remember when 'email' had a hyphen? Read a book that was written pre-1940 and 'today' was spelled 'to-day'. Anything that's currently hyphenated e.g. 'free-kick' will probably lose its hyphen in time, like 'straightforward'.


Free kick is two words Rich. Needs no hyphen and if joined it surely loses some meaning. Do we join free shot or free hit?  I'm not sure about straight forward being one word either. But I agree about hyphens in general terms, a fairly recent fashion going out of fashion.

Posted by: livosnose, July 26, 2021, 12:46pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from smokey111


Never sure if it is morals or morales. Know anyone who could advise?


Think whichever one it is ,he’s available for transfer …..😃
Posted by: RichMariner, July 26, 2021, 1:01pm; Reply: 79


Free kick is two words Rich. Needs no hyphen and if joined it surely loses some meaning. Do we join free shot or free hit?  I'm not sure about straight forward being one word either. But I agree about hyphens in general terms, a fairly recent fashion going out of fashion.



You are right. Got myself confused - meant to say 'kick-off'. You see it with a hyphen, but also as one word.

I wouldn't say that all hyphenated words will lose their hyphen - just those that can 'afford' to. And by that I mean, those that (over time) people choose to drop. You can see the trend. Words like 're-instate' are just 'reinstate'. At the moment, both are acceptable.

My favourite football term is 'resign'. A manager tends to resign but players tend to re-sign. In this example, the hyphen is crucial to the meaning of the term, yet people will happily say Shaun Pearson resigned for us.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, July 26, 2021, 1:14pm; Reply: 80
Quoted from RichMariner


You are right. Got myself confused - meant to say 'kick-off'. You see it with a hyphen, but also as one word.

I wouldn't say that all hyphenated words will lose their hyphen - just those that can 'afford' to. And by that I mean, those that (over time) people choose to drop. You can see the trend. Words like 're-instate' are just 'reinstate'. At the moment, both are acceptable.

My favourite football term is 'resign'. A manager tends to resign but players tend to re-sign. In this example, the hyphen is crucial to the meaning of the term, yet people will happily say Shaun Pearson resigned for us.


I think the next to disappear will be colon and semicolon which is a pity. They do valuable service in breaking up and making sense of long lumps of prose.

Posted by: rancido, July 26, 2021, 1:38pm; Reply: 81


I think the next to disappear will be colon and semicolon which is a pity. They do valuable service in breaking up and making sense of long lumps of prose.



I had a lot of problems with my colon until I had surgery, then it became a semi-colon.
Posted by: Bristol Mariner, July 26, 2021, 2:11pm; Reply: 82
Quoted from friskneymariner
Text speak is now creeping into language.


LOL PMSL
Posted by: Grantham_Mariner, July 26, 2021, 2:17pm; Reply: 83
Just finished reading through the whole of this thread and my computer just printed out a GCSE English Language pass certificate.
😂😂😂
Posted by: mimma, July 26, 2021, 2:23pm; Reply: 84
Read a football forum and end up with an A Level in English.

Only on the Fishy.

(Is my grammer correct?)
Posted by: buckstown, July 26, 2021, 2:38pm; Reply: 85
Well I are well im-pressed with the english lesson but is we signing anybody????!!!!!!
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, July 26, 2021, 2:48pm; Reply: 86
Quoted from rancido


I had a lot of problems with my colon until I had surgery, then it became a semi-colon.


I was waiting for someone to do that. ;D I don’t mind playing Ernie Wise to someone else’s Eric Morecambe. ;)

Posted by: Garth, July 26, 2021, 2:50pm; Reply: 87
Quoted from rancido


I had a lot of problems with my colon until I had surgery, then it became a semi-colon.


My sympathies, I always had painful experiences with my apostrophes so I decided to remove them
Posted by: ivanosandwich, July 26, 2021, 3:00pm; Reply: 88
I have worked with a lot of people over the years that do not have English as their first language.

These sentences always baffled them and when they asked, "why dose the same word mean two different things?", it was very difficult to explain.

The bandage was wound around the wound.
The farm was used to produce produce.
The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.
We must polish the Polish furniture.
He could lead if he would get the lead out.
The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert.
Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.
A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.
When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.
I did not object to the object.
The insurance was invalid for the invalid.
There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.
They were too close to the door to close it.
The buck does funny things when the does are present.
A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.
To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.
The wind was too strong to wind the sail.
After a number of injections my jaw got number.
Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear.
I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.
How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?
Posted by: friskneymariner, July 26, 2021, 3:16pm; Reply: 89
Aloud instead of allowed.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 26, 2021, 3:27pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from mimma
Read a football forum and end up with an A Level in English.

Only on the Fishy.

(Is my grammer correct?)


Your grammar is OK but your spelling isn’t. 😆
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 26, 2021, 3:30pm; Reply: 91
Quoted from RichMariner
I know this thread has gone vastly off topic, but just to add to the grammar stuff...

The thing I've learnt most over the years, as a writer and former pedant, is to either embrace things just let it go. Yes, there are times when grammar is totally incorrect, and there are spellings I don't personally like (the -ize instead of -ise at the end of words) but a message board isn't the place to pull people up over it.

I'm fascinated by language and how it evolves. The more flexible it is, the more of a future it has. People all around the world speak English — mainly because of our colonial history, but also because it allows us to be more expressive than other languages. That's its real strength.

Take away that ability to play with it, bend it, abuse the so-called rules and you're left with a structured language like Latin, which died off because it was never suitable for the way people would evolve to speak in the future.

The way we speak today is different from the way we spoke hundreds of years ago - even decades ago. Written language needs to evolve with it.

Remember when 'email' had a hyphen? Read a book that was written pre-1940 and 'today' was spelled 'to-day'. Anything that's currently hyphenated e.g. 'free-kick' will probably lose its hyphen in time, like 'straightforward'.


Or did Latin just evolve into Italian? Look at how English has changed over 1500 years. The Latin that the Church and other elites sought to preserve for universal use was arguably just a snapshot from a particular time. It’s be like trying to keep Old English alive.
Posted by: denni266, July 26, 2021, 3:33pm; Reply: 92
Does it realy matter to the normal man in the street  Naa . We all know what someone meens / means  etc . It must be nice to be educated,  but not to be cleaver about it and add male private on the end , never held me back or many others too .Now where did i put todays daily starr  ;)
Posted by: ginnywings, July 26, 2021, 3:35pm; Reply: 93
Quoted from devs
Could of
Should of
Would of

NO!

Could HAVE
Should HAVE
Would HAVE

'going forward' - two utterly wasted words
EG: We are going to do this 'going forward' - well, when else would you do it?

Shop assistants: "Would you like a bag today?"
Me: "No - I'll struggle home with the shopping and come back for the bag tomorrow"

Loads more... rantings of a 60-year-old!


To that I will add:-

THERE- In that place.

THEIR- Belonging to them.

THEY'RE- They are.

They're there in their finery (other words are available).

I'm actually not very good at grammar, though I do try to get it right. Colon's, semi colon's and apostrophe's usually do for me, but then there is not much call for perfect grammar in the construction industry.

I've more than likely offended the grammar police with this post.  :P
Posted by: Mendonca1995, July 26, 2021, 3:51pm; Reply: 94
So is there any rumours then 😂
Posted by: Grimsby2012, July 26, 2021, 4:05pm; Reply: 95
You may have a degree in English but my brother rodders has GCE'S in English
Posted by: Simon, July 26, 2021, 4:06pm; Reply: 96
Quoted from Mendonca1995
So is there any rumours then 😂


Only that apparently we are all thick as fcuk

Posted by: Mendonca1995, July 26, 2021, 4:25pm; Reply: 97
Quoted from Simon


Only that apparently we are all thick as fcuk



😂😂😂
Posted by: KingstonMariner, July 26, 2021, 4:39pm; Reply: 98
Quoted from Grimsby2012
You may have a degree in English but my brother rodders has GCE'S in English


Your brother Rodders has GCE’s what? 😆
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, July 26, 2021, 4:52pm; Reply: 99
Quoted from ginnywings


To that I will add:-

THERE- In that place.

THEIR- Belonging to them.

THEY'RE- They are.

They're there in their finery (other words are available).

I'm actually not very good at grammar, though I do try to get it right. Colon's, semi colon's and apostrophe's usually do for me, but then there is not much call for perfect grammar in the construction industry.

I've more than likely offended the grammar police with this post.  :P



“Parents are being told to know where there kids are at all times”

Luke Green, sub heading on the lead story in tonight’s Grimsby Live.


Posted by: rancido, July 26, 2021, 5:03pm; Reply: 100



“Parents are being told to know where there kids are at all times”

Luke Green, sub heading on the lead story in tonight’s Grimsby Live.




That doesn't surprise me!. Some of the English and spelling in the GET is embarrassing. It's nearly as bad as in The Grauniad!
Posted by: Jarmo.Is.God, July 26, 2021, 5:13pm; Reply: 101
Yeah, back to the rumours.

I don't post them often, and my 'source' last told me about Meynese signing a couple of days before it was announced, but hasn't told me any since....

He says we was/are in for Tshimanga, and whilst we haven't been turned down, it seems highly unlikely, but fair play for the effort. I think this was Optimism rather than anything else.

Vernam talks have happened again, but the player himself wants to try stay with Bradford. Apparently Hurst believes this one could come more realistic closer to the season starting...

Only got this by asking, rather than him telling me, so don't think he's confident in any of them happening at this stage.
Posted by: Grimsby2012, July 26, 2021, 5:39pm; Reply: 102
Quoted from KingstonMariner


Your brother Rodders has GCE’s what? 😆


Only fools and horses quote ;)
Posted by: Saudimariner, July 26, 2021, 5:50pm; Reply: 103
Quoted from ginnywings


To that I will add:-

THERE- In that place.

THEIR- Belonging to them.

THEY'RE- They are.

They're there in their finery (other words are available).

I'm actually not very good at grammar, though I do try to get it right. Colon's, semi colon's and apostrophe's usually do for me, but then there is not much call for perfect grammar in the construction industry.

I've more than likely offended the grammar police with this post.  :P


Another to add to the list:

Its - belonging to it;
It's - it is
Posted by: samg, July 26, 2021, 7:00pm; Reply: 104
Non football please - scrolled through numerous pages just for lots of drivvle!🥺
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, July 26, 2021, 7:11pm; Reply: 105
Back to earlier comments on unlikely signings.  We do not want Matt Hancock as he is always cocking up.  Hyphen or no hyphen.  
Posted by: MuddyWaters, July 26, 2021, 7:19pm; Reply: 106
Hopefully our next signing has a good CV 🤔🤞
Posted by: 123614 (Guest), July 26, 2021, 8:33pm; Reply: 107
Quoted from samg
Non football please - scrolled through numerous pages just for lots of drivvle!🥺


Unfortunately almost every thread turns out like this one.

Posted by: jaf243, July 26, 2021, 9:08pm; Reply: 108
Quoted from Teestogreen
So - if so
Best of luck to Ira - I would have liked to have seen him at Grimsby Town another season - think he’s got a good brain and some striking skill - given some service.
UTM


Yeah - agreed. I asked him if there was any scope for him to stay and fight for a place and he said.    

"nah mate. Wasn’t in his plans for when he got in"

Shame - think he could have been a good squad player in the conference- better than many players we had over the years in the conf.

Hope he gets another club and a chance - deserves more of a chance at this level
Posted by: Ipswin, July 26, 2021, 9:31pm; Reply: 109
Quoted from samg
Non football please - scrolled through numerous pages just for lots of drivvle!🥺



Drivel

Posted by: smokey111, July 26, 2021, 9:35pm; Reply: 110
Quoted from KingstonMariner


Moral(s) [morul] is to do with good behaviour.

Morale [mor-al] (not really used in the plural in English) is to do with the mood or spirit of a military unit or sports team, or other group of people.

E.G.
John Fenty showed poor moral judgement by introducing a convicted fraudster to GTFC and the council.
Despite the recent relegation, morale is high at GTFC since the departure of John Fenty. 😁



Superb!
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, July 26, 2021, 9:59pm; Reply: 111
Speaking to a lad that supports reading at work today, he reckons we could do a lot worse than having a look at a lad released by them called Jayden Onen. Many shocked that he wasn’t kept on.

Am sure there’s plenty of options out there. It’s just good knowing we won’t have a squad of 62 next season
Posted by: Teesknees, July 26, 2021, 10:18pm; Reply: 112
Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY
Speaking to a lad that supports reading at work today, he reckons we could do a lot worse than having a look at a lad released by them called Jayden Onen. Many shocked that he wasn’t kept on.

Am sure there’s plenty of options out there. It’s just good knowing we won’t have a squad of 62 next season


Supports reading? is he a teacher?
Posted by: Abdul19, July 26, 2021, 10:30pm; Reply: 113
Or Marcus Rashford?
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, July 26, 2021, 10:44pm; Reply: 114
Quoted from Teesknees


Supports reading? is he a teacher?



He’s a librarian


But, keep it quiet
Posted by: Posh Harry, July 26, 2021, 10:48pm; Reply: 115
Quoted from Ipswin



Drivel



Welcome back swin. Your dulcet tones have been sorely missed 👍
Posted by: spartacus, July 26, 2021, 11:57pm; Reply: 116
κανένας από τους αγγλικούς χοίρους δεν ξέρει το πρώτο πράγμα για τη γραμματική

UTM
Posted by: 123614 (Guest), July 27, 2021, 9:32am; Reply: 117
Quoted from Posh Harry


Welcome back swin. Your dulcet tones have been sorely missed 👍


Not by me!  Please go back to the hole you've been hiding in for the last few months.

Posted by: Posh Harry, July 27, 2021, 9:41am; Reply: 118
Quoted from 123614


Not by me!  Please go back to the hole you've been hiding in for the last few months.



Bottom line is Swin is a town fan through and through.

Him and I have disagreed on a number of occasions but he has every right to an opinion and this is a Forum for opinions.

He was nothing more than forthright in his views and how he put them across, but it doesn’t make him any less of a town fan than anyone else.

Posted by: ginnywings, July 27, 2021, 9:50am; Reply: 119
Quoted from Posh Harry


Bottom line is Swin is a town fan through and through.

Him and I have disagreed on a number of occasions but he has every right to an opinion and this is a Forum for opinions.

He was nothing more than forthright in his views and how he put them across, but it doesn’t make him any less of a town fan than anyone else.



Yep.

Always better for a bit of grit in the oyster.
Posted by: Mallyner, July 27, 2021, 9:54am; Reply: 120
Quoted from ginnywings


Yep.

Always better for a bit of grit in the oyster.


We can always rely on you for a 'pearl' of wisdom.  ;)
Posted by: marinerdazza, July 27, 2021, 9:57am; Reply: 121
Oysters go right through me.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 27, 2021, 10:03am; Reply: 122
Quoted from 123614


Not by me!  Please go back to the hole you've been hiding in for the last few months.



Bit harsh
Swin can be a bit off with his views but as much right to post as you or me

Welcome back
Posted by: ginnywings, July 27, 2021, 10:07am; Reply: 123
Quoted from marinerdazza
Oysters go right through me.


I've just been around Loch Fyne, which is famous for it's oysters.

I didn't partake. Just the sight of them is enough to put me off.
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, July 27, 2021, 10:09am; Reply: 124
Quoted from marinerdazza
Oysters go right through me.


Did you try to clamouflage that as a pun?
Posted by: Zmariner, July 27, 2021, 10:34am; Reply: 125
Looked at this thread on page 1, page 7 and just had another look. It has not got any better… I will have another look when it reaches page 25 and maybe there will be some football on it utm
Posted by: codcheeky, July 27, 2021, 1:50pm; Reply: 126
Quoted from spartacus
κανένας από τους αγγλικούς χοίρους δεν ξέρει το πρώτο πράγμα για τη γραμματική

UTM


Ούτε η Ελληνική μετάφραση έχει σωστή γραμματική
Posted by: Civvy at last, July 27, 2021, 1:56pm; Reply: 127
Quoted from marinerdazza
Oysters go right through me.


They say they’re an aphrodisiac but they ain’t all that.

I had a dozen on Saturday night and only seven of them worked  ;)



UTM
Posted by: 123614 (Guest), July 27, 2021, 3:20pm; Reply: 128
Quoted from Zmariner
Looked at this thread on page 1, page 7 and just had another look. It has not got any better… I will have another look when it reaches page 25 and maybe there will be some football on it utm


I agree, this is becoming pathetic.  Someone starts a FOOTBALL thread then we get numerous pages of puns, so called jokes, and anything else BUT football!

Posted by: Grimal, July 27, 2021, 6:29pm; Reply: 129
Quoted from spartacus
κανένας από τους αγγλικούς χοίρους δεν ξέρει το πρώτο πράγμα για τη γραμματική

UTM

Oink ,who are you calling a pig ?  ;)


Posted by: Bristol Mariner, July 27, 2021, 8:17pm; Reply: 130
Quoted from Civvy at last


They say they’re an aphrodisiac but they ain’t all that.

I had a dozen on Saturday night and only seven of them worked  ;)



UTM


Oh they are I wanked for 14 after hours after eating 6
Posted by: Bristol Mariner, July 27, 2021, 8:17pm; Reply: 131
Quoted from Bristol Mariner


Oh they are I male masturbation*ed for 14 after hours after eating 6


Posted by: Fette Schlange, July 30, 2021, 7:27pm; Reply: 132
Vernam deal finalised
Posted by: Fette Schlange, July 30, 2021, 9:41pm; Reply: 133
Tshimanga signing for Bolton
Posted by: Hurstomariner, July 30, 2021, 10:13pm; Reply: 134
Quoted from Fette Schlange
Vernam deal finalised


Where is he going ?? Good source ??
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