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Posted by: Yoda, April 5, 2021, 5:25pm
I knew he would take us down i didn’t want him
Yesterday’s man crap players crap subs no idea of how to win a game is it 2 in 17 disgraceful his managerial career is over.
Posted by: Mikey_345, April 5, 2021, 5:26pm; Reply: 1
Oh intercourse off fella
Posted by: ginnywings, April 5, 2021, 5:28pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Mikey_345
Oh intercourse off fella


Seconded.
Posted by: pizzzza, April 5, 2021, 5:31pm; Reply: 3
Quoted from ginnywings


Seconded.


No, say it like Yoda would say it himself...

"Off, you intercourse"
Posted by: lukeo, April 5, 2021, 5:31pm; Reply: 4
Bore off.
The only thing that pisses me off is his bizarre substitutes he makes.
Posted by: The Dogs Testicles, April 5, 2021, 5:31pm; Reply: 5
There’s only one person that needs OUT!!

Fenty will see the Death of GTFC. He arrived and we were flirting with the Championship - 17 years later we are a Conference side flirting with League 2!

I expect ‘changing his mind on shares’ if true, will see the death of this great Club!
Posted by: Fillipe Noche, April 5, 2021, 5:33pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Yoda
I knew he would take us down i didn’t want him
Yesterday’s man crap players crap subs no idea of how to win a game is it 2 in 17 disgraceful his managerial career is over.


This post angers me and is ridiculous.
Posted by: Hagrid, April 5, 2021, 5:36pm; Reply: 7
Someone ram a lightsaber up his bottom
Posted by: RonMariner, April 5, 2021, 5:36pm; Reply: 8
FFS.
Posted by: Yoda, April 5, 2021, 5:50pm; Reply: 9
So your all happy with the situation
Posted by: Mikey_345, April 5, 2021, 5:52pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Yoda
So your all happy with the situation


Nope but I choose to lay the blame where it belongs. With the board and Holloway
Posted by: ginnywings, April 5, 2021, 5:53pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from Yoda
So your all happy with the situation


Yeah, I love it me.

Love watching us struggle season after season. Much better than being in the Championship and beating bigger, better supported sides. I hated Buckley and all that one touch football guff.
Posted by: ackomariner, April 5, 2021, 5:56pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Mikey_345


Nope but I choose to lay the blame where it belongs. With the board and Holloway


Hurst comes into the blame category too you know
Posted by: louth_in_the_south, April 5, 2021, 6:00pm; Reply: 13
I agree with the OP . He’s made us hard to beat but we can’t get results with his tactics and don’t get me started on his substitutions when we need to get a result.
Fresh start from top to bottom required to restart GTFC.
Posted by: Eastendmariner, April 5, 2021, 6:01pm; Reply: 14
Fenty out
Posted by: Hagrid, April 5, 2021, 6:01pm; Reply: 15
Hurst In
Posted by: Azimuth, April 5, 2021, 6:05pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from louth_in_the_south
I agree with the OP . He’s made us hard to beat but we can’t get results with his tactics and don’t get me started on his substitutions when we need to get a result.
Fresh start from top to bottom required to restart GTFC.


Me too, I wont sit here and happy clap an unbeaten run when it is point after point, the aim is to win games and we seem utterly incapable of doing that, 10 points from 8 games is unacceptable given if we had won 50 % and lost 50% we would have been on 12 points.
Posted by: Northbank Mariner, April 5, 2021, 6:09pm; Reply: 17
I praised Hurst last week and I'm still behind him but I'm getting frustrated at his substitutions and his obvious like fir certain players whilst leaving others out in the cold.
Payne Vs Williams for a start.
Green Vs Jackson.
Posted by: DB, April 5, 2021, 6:09pm; Reply: 18
I'm getting fed up with threads like this. How many times does Hurst's position at the club have to be debated, we've all had our say, and regardless of what we think he has a contract for the foreseeable future.

He's here to stay so like it or not you have to accept it. Move on, end off.
Posted by: cmackenzie4, April 5, 2021, 6:11pm; Reply: 19
When Paul Hurst first came back I wasn’t overly excited, his start wasn’t the best either (no new manager bounce) I thought we’d made the wrong move to get Paul in but when he took over we was in a right mess off/on the field but as games went on he’s improved us I think,  yes we’re not winning but he’s made us hard to beat, I can see why some would not want paul next season but I think we should stay with Paul, he knows a good player and has a lot of experience in non league (he got us promoted) many may say we were lucky to get promoted but at the end of the day he still got us promoted, me and my lad was having this exact conversation yesterday, we both think we should stick with Paul Hurst even if we go down.
Posted by: petethemariner, April 5, 2021, 6:12pm; Reply: 20
Whilst he has undoubtedly improved us over the last few weeks (not difficult) his win ratio is pretty abysmal and let's not forget these are his players now, so I think disappointing would be a fair description, I mean how many of us thought we would be relegated ( as seems likely) when he was  appointed at the turn of the year? I for one didn't.
By the time that likely dark day happens, he will have been in charge for almost half the season and a lot of points were available.
I suppose the jury's out on Hurst. One thing for sure though, the buck stops with that ego maniac Fenty and his penny pinching.
UTM
Posted by: smokey111, April 5, 2021, 6:20pm; Reply: 21
[quote=140235]

Me too, I wont sit here and happy clap an unbeaten run when it is point after point, the aim is to win games and we seem utterly incapable of doing that, 10 points from 8 games is unacceptable given if we had won 50 % and lost 50% we would have been on 12 points.


That calculation is worthy of Alan Turing!
Posted by: psgmariner, April 5, 2021, 6:26pm; Reply: 22
3 points clear of relegation when he arrived and now 8 adrift of safety. I’m staggered at those who continue to blindly back him.

Someone who hadn’t got us promoted all those years ago would’ve been run out of town by now with these results and performances.

Forget how amazing beating FGR at Wembley was and assess the here and now. Hurst out!
Posted by: KingstonMariner, April 5, 2021, 6:28pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from Yoda
So your all happy with the situation


There are two things that pissmeoff about this.

1/ not agreeing that we should get rid of Hurst does not mean people are happy with the situation.
More irritatingly,
2/ it’s YOU’RE not your!!
Posted by: Epworth Mariner, April 5, 2021, 7:16pm; Reply: 24
Your a pain in the bottom......
Posted by: Epworth Mariner, April 5, 2021, 7:16pm; Reply: 25
I typed bottom but it got changed .......
Posted by: Epworth Mariner, April 5, 2021, 7:17pm; Reply: 26
“ bottom”
Posted by: rancido, April 5, 2021, 7:20pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from psgmariner
3 points clear of relegation when he arrived and now 8 adrift of safety. I’m staggered at those who continue to blindly back him.

Someone who hadn’t got us promoted all those years ago would’ve been run out of town by now with these results and performances.

Forget how amazing beating FGR at Wembley was and assess the here and now. Hurst out!


So if a building is engulfed in flames due to an arson attack do you blame the fire brigade for not putting the fire out or the arsonist who started it in the first place?
Posted by: psgmariner, April 5, 2021, 7:22pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from rancido


So if a building is engulfed in flames due to an arson attack do you blame the fire brigade for not putting the fire out or the arsonist who started it in the first place?


Good one 👍
Posted by: promotion plaice, April 5, 2021, 7:30pm; Reply: 29

In Hurst's defence some of his targets in the January window didn't fancy coming here to fight in a relegation battle so he missed out on them.

Not his fault.
Posted by: jonnyboy82, April 5, 2021, 7:31pm; Reply: 30
Hurst has walked into a disaster left by that fraud hollowords and set up by the current regime.

Can't lay blame at him for any of the mess left to him, the team was unbalanced and far too many players on the books, if anything we have been more hard to beat but also more together as a team, i honestly think Hurst has changed the mindset but there has also been too many draws.

We are probably more than likely going down but to blame Hurst would be completely wrong, the only people to blame are the board and that idiot who ran at the first sign of trouble.

The only possible positive in this whole mess is we Could get new owners who actually have ambition and know what to fix and do it ASAP, if that means we go down and start again then so be it but of course if we stayed up it would be a miracle really.
Posted by: Yoda, April 5, 2021, 7:36pm; Reply: 31
Why does hurst keep putting Green on he’s useless why not play Williams or Jackson both have scored more than Green.
Posted by: malkamalka, April 5, 2021, 7:40pm; Reply: 32
As I've said before, it's a long project. Perhaps the rebuild is best started in the National League though.
Posted by: Humbercod, April 5, 2021, 7:40pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from rancido


So if a building is engulfed in flames due to an arson attack do you blame the fire brigade for not putting the fire out or the arsonist who started it in the first place?


You would need to elaborate on this size of the building!
If the fire brigade couldn’t bring a shed fire under control then then you’d be asking serious questions😏
Posted by: Azimuth, April 5, 2021, 7:41pm; Reply: 34

That calculation is worthy of Alan Turing![/quote]

Very clever, but It doesnt take Alan Touring to conclude the points total is just not good enough.

Mathemeticians work with facts and the facts are that we are in a considerbly worse position now than when Hurst was appointed.
In other words we have gone backwards and face relegation to non league.
Posted by: WesternMariner, April 5, 2021, 7:44pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Yoda
Why does hurst keep putting Green on he’s useless why not play Williams or Jackson both have scored more than Green.


Get back on your play station you little turd.
Posted by: louth_in_the_south, April 5, 2021, 7:45pm; Reply: 36
He’s not wrong though is he ?
Posted by: HertsGTFC, April 5, 2021, 7:50pm; Reply: 37
Not only have we become hard to beat we’ve been creating chances, not as many as we’d like but it’s progress all the same.

Whenever a manager takes over a side facing the threat of relegation the first thing they try and do is make the side hard to beat, the next is to build on that by sharpening up the attack and this is where the problem sits in that Hurst just doesn’t have the talent he needs to build on some good defensive improvement in recent weeks.

Hurst has done a decent job so far and I’ve got no doubt he’ll build us for better.
Posted by: Norseman, April 5, 2021, 7:59pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from rancido


So if a building is engulfed in flames due to an arson attack do you blame the fire brigade for not putting the fire out or the arsonist who started it in the first place?


No but I would if the made the fire worse. Which is what Hurst has done
Posted by: friskneymariner, April 5, 2021, 8:03pm; Reply: 39
I would blame the fire brigade if they sent a crew full of sub standard fireman that they were responsible for training.
Posted by: psgmariner, April 5, 2021, 8:10pm; Reply: 40
Don’t feed the trolls look at the league table.
Posted by: smokey111, April 5, 2021, 8:17pm; Reply: 41
I fully expect 4 months of Hurst In/Hurst Out bickering on here. I only hope that come August, the Fenty regime has gone and the manager (fully expect it to still be Hurst) has been given excellent backing to see us bounce back immediately. Imagine 3 years from now. Fighting at the top end of L2, about to move into a new ground and state of the art training facilities. Not unrealistic, is it?
Posted by: realist, April 5, 2021, 8:19pm; Reply: 42
Hurst has probably been the most devisive manager we have ever had. He has strong support from both the stay and go camps. However as it is a results based business he has to go
Posted by: arryarryarry, April 5, 2021, 8:22pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from DB
I'm getting fed up with threads like this. How many times does Hurst's position at the club have to be debated, we've all had our say, and regardless of what we think he has a contract for the foreseeable future.

He's here to stay so like it or not you have to accept it. Move on, end off.


I assume Mike Newell, Neil Woods, Marcus Bignot, Russell Slade, Michael Jolley were all contracted but it didn't stop them being sacked.
Posted by: arryarryarry, April 5, 2021, 8:24pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from smokey111
I fully expect 4 months of Hurst In/Hurst Out bickering on here. I only hope that come August, the Fenty regime has gone and the manager (fully expect it to still be Hurst) has been given excellent backing to see us bounce back immediately. Imagine 3 years from now. Fighting at the top end of L2, about to move into a new ground and state of the art training facilities. Not unrealistic, is it?


If we go down and he stays with most of the squad he is playing now I cannot see us coming back anytime soon.
Posted by: forza ivano, April 5, 2021, 8:28pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from Yoda
Why does hurst keep putting Green on he’s useless why not play Williams or Jackson both have scored more than Green.


he answered this in the interview - he has a core group of players who he trusts and have done well for him in this unbeaten run, and he doesn't feel that those on the subs bench could've improved it.
btw i don't disagree with your sentiment, but as Hurst says - he's paid to make these decisions and he lives or dies by them (witness bringing Waterfall back, which to a large extent did achieve its purpose; remember the very good Tranmere side got 'beaten up' and were stuffed 4-0 in Chelts last game)

ps thought his interview was honest and quite enlightening - his reasoning for the Coke substitution made sense, and certainly Clifton was able to get forward more nad we did seem to get more possession after it
Posted by: smokey111, April 5, 2021, 8:29pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from arryarryarry


If we go down and he stays with most of the squad he is playing now I cannot see us coming back anytime soon.


If we drop and he stays it would be managerial suicide to keep together the bulk of the squad that we went down with. There are 6/7 I would to see still here. Hewitt, Meyanese, Spokes, Lamy, Coke, Williams, (another divise figure) Macca.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, April 5, 2021, 8:37pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from smokey111


If we drop and he stays it would be managerial suicide to keep together the bulk of the squad that we went down with. There are 6/7 I would to see still here. Hewitt, Meyanese, Spokes, Lamy, Coke, Williams, (another divise figure) Macca.


We’ll go down, he’s staying but I suspect many of the current squad won’t be providing he can horse trade the ones under contract out.
Posted by: arryarryarry, April 5, 2021, 8:40pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from forza ivano


he answered this in the interview - he has a core group of players who he trusts and have done well for him in this unbeaten run, and he doesn't feel that those on the subs bench could've improved it.
btw i don't disagree with your sentiment, but as Hurst says - he's paid to make these decisions and he lives or dies by them (witness bringing Waterfall back, which to a large extent did achieve its purpose; remember the very good Tranmere side got 'beaten up' and were stuffed 4-0 in Chelts last game)

ps thought his interview was honest and quite enlightening - his reasoning for the Coke substitution made sense, and certainly Clifton was able to get forward more nad we did seem to get more possession after it


Did it though, we failed miserably with their goal and it was down to Macca to keep the score at 1-1 because the defence couldn't cope with their throw ins and corners.
Posted by: rancido, April 5, 2021, 8:40pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from Norseman


No but I would if the made the fire worse. Which is what Hurst has done


So how many games are we unbeaten under Hurst and what was Hollowords longest unbeaten run this season?
Posted by: Hagrid, April 5, 2021, 8:41pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from arryarryarry


Did it though, we failed miserably with their goal and it was down to Macca to keep the score at 1-1 because the defence couldn't cope with their throw ins and corners.


Thought our best defender today was hanson
Posted by: arryarryarry, April 5, 2021, 8:46pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from Hagrid


Thought our best defender today was hanson


Looking at their goal again we had the 3 centre-halves + Hanson + Habergham (and he's quite tall) and no one could prevent a virtually free header.
Posted by: smokey111, April 5, 2021, 8:58pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from arryarryarry


Looking at their goal again we had the 3 centre-halves + Hanson + Habergham (and he's quite tall) and no one could prevent a virtually free header.


You have to respect the opinion of Gary Croft and he explained that when a player gets a run on and times their jump, IF the ball is delivered correctly, it is very difficult to defend against.
Posted by: Norseman, April 5, 2021, 9:17pm; Reply: 53
Quoted from rancido


So how many games are we unbeaten under Hurst and what was Hollowords longest unbeaten run this season?


How many have we won under Hurst 2, where we're we in the league when Hurst took over. Draws are no good better to win 1 and lose 1 and Mr negative doesn't try to win any
Posted by: Rob_in_Grimsby, April 5, 2021, 9:58pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from Norseman


How many have we won under Hurst 2, where we're we in the league when Hurst took over. Draws are no good better to win 1 and lose 1 and Mr negative doesn't try to win any


Hurst has had 18 games and managed 14pts  ppg is 0.77 Per Game
Runaway had 21 games and 20 Pts giving him 0.95 Pts per game

Both get us relegated at the end of the season. With lack of games left we need to o all out, I would rather go down fighting than this death by drawing.
Posted by: bawarmy, April 5, 2021, 10:05pm; Reply: 55
He has made us much harder to beat and we are still not out of it. If we do get out of it Yoda he deserves an apology from you. I’d rather have him than insane Ian any day.
Posted by: essexexile, April 5, 2021, 10:06pm; Reply: 56
We could be unbeaten last 14 games of the season and still go down, must be a record surely?
Posted by: Vance Warner, April 5, 2021, 10:12pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby


Hurst has had 18 games and managed 14pts  ppg is 0.77 Per Game
Runaway had 21 games and 20 Pts giving him 0.95 Pts per game

Both get us relegated at the end of the season. With lack of games left we need to o all out, I would rather go down fighting than this death by drawing.


Go down fighting?? There’s been more fight shown in the last few games than the first few months of the season put together. People seem to forget that we have an opposition to content with each game. The Holloway comparisons are pointless because he wasn’t replaced by Hurst he walked out on us.
Posted by: Hagrid, April 5, 2021, 10:22pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from Vance Warner


Go down fighting?? There’s been more fight shown in the last few games than the first few months of the season put together. People seem to forget that we have an opposition to content with each game. The Holloway comparisons are pointless because he wasn’t replaced by Hurst he walked out on us.


Unfortunately we have a section of our fanbase who are anti Hurst and cannot
See the progression. Yeah you can say we wernt in the bottom 2 when he took over, but IH stayed we’d have gone down anyway. He’s got rid of the shite IH had here, and he’s installed some fight and belief in this bunch.
Of course if you say otherwise your a happy clapper happy with failure blah blah
Posted by: IlkleyMariner, April 5, 2021, 10:28pm; Reply: 59
Another good point today
Not enough, but a point.
Move on to another hard game. We want to win, but another good point ain’t a disaster.
Even Klopp couldn’t have got this lot out of trouble.
We should continue to live in hope
Posted by: ginnywings, April 5, 2021, 10:48pm; Reply: 60
I think we have been a tad unlucky in this run of 8 unbeaten. Not today mind as I think we did extremely well to get a point from a game that we would have lost for sure a couple of months back. We hung in there and could have won it in the end. That's been the problem in this run, not taking the chances when they present themselves and you can't lay the blame for that completely at the feet of PH.

The Barrow game apart, the games we have scored in, we have conceded and the games where we have kept a clean sheet, we haven't scored, which has resulted in so many draws. It's very frustrating for all concerned, not least the manager.

We currently sit 11th in the form table and I am in no doubt that PH has improved us over the team Holloway put out. We were losing by 3's, 4's and a 5 under IH. Problem being that it took PH longer than we could afford before he got us competitive. We needed to stop the rot, get a few draws, then slowly start to pick up wins as Stevenage did. We've done the first part, but the second part, turning performances into wins, hasn't materialised as yet.

I've no doubt the detractors will point out that we are now in a worse position than we were before PH came in and I can't dispute that, yet the form table has us in a fairly healthy position. It's really infuriating and as things stand, it looks like the same scenario as the Woods season, which was relegation by not turning enough draws into wins.

Time is running out and we need to get a couple of wins soon if we are to improbably get ourselves safe.

Of course, none of this answers the question of whether PH should be our manager next season. As I have said many times, I'm not his biggest fan, but I think we need a period of stability and he provides that and should be given next season to build a squad, which he's proved he can do more than once. He has a track record in the leagues below the EFL that can't be overlooked.

In any case, I think the question is moot, because I think he will be the manager next season whatever we think. Unless the takeover fails, then he may walk.
Posted by: The Old Codger, April 5, 2021, 10:49pm; Reply: 61
We’re still in with a chance, however slim, which is more than I would have given us a month ago.
Posted by: arryarryarry, April 5, 2021, 11:31pm; Reply: 62
Quoted from smokey111


You have to respect the opinion of Gary Croft and he explained that when a player gets a run on and times their jump, IF the ball is delivered correctly, it is very difficult to defend against.


You should watch it again. he takes a couple of steps not a run and we had five players to their 3, only Hanson jumped but he was too far away from it, it looked to me like Menayese was supposed to be marking him.
Posted by: grimsby pete, April 6, 2021, 12:05am; Reply: 63
I am not a happy clapper or an Hurst fan.

BUT

He has improved the team and we are hard to beat ,

Having said that draws are no good to us now as we need to win at least four of the last seven with a draw thrown in.

That might not be enough but we can not give in yet.

I will keep hoping for a win in every game and will not concede we are down until the maths tell me we are.
Posted by: HarrogateMariner, April 6, 2021, 1:16am; Reply: 64
I have had a complete 360 degree change of opinion on Hurst over the past few weeks. Initially I wanted someone else and was not happy he had returned, partly I have to admit due to him leaving first time and also due to his reluctance to give youth a chance and the reliance on loan signings.

But I have since changed my mind and now feel he is right to take us forward, for nothing more than the fact we now have a core settled group of players and some actual consistency. I was of the opinion 3 months ago we needed a clean start end of season, a new manager, a whole new squad. Now I see that would be the worst thing to happen. We are craving for some consistency which I feel he can give us, hopefully with the 6 or 7 players I feel we should keep as a basis to build from. I hope he does keep these players (assuming they want to stay). I am fed up of having to learn about new players all the time. Importantly I feel this group would be good enough as a basis for a promotion push from non league, obviously alongside quality additions. Plus I feel Hurst can get us back up quickly.

I speak as if we are down because unfortunately I think we are. I hope I am wrong, I just can't see it.

Yes we haven't won many matches under Hurst. Yes we don't score enough. Yes it took a while for him to find his best team. But this all provides the basis for planning for next season. If Hurst goes this all starts again. He will know right now who he wants to keep. If he left end of season we are left with a new manager guessing what each player is like. We move back 3 months in the whole process.

As long as the take over goes ahead, Hurst will be manager at the start of next season. It is as simple as that. So therefore lets all get behind him and the team for these last games and beyond. I genuinely don't think there is a discussion to be had about 'Hurst out', unless the takeover falls through, but let's not go there....
Posted by: davmariner, April 6, 2021, 2:04am; Reply: 65
Anyone lambasting Hurst, go back and watch the last three games of Holloway’s tenure. That’s what I’ve just done. It’s made me feel a lot happier that Holloway is no longer our manager and that Hurst has improved the team.
Posted by: arryarryarry, April 6, 2021, 3:09am; Reply: 66
Quoted from davmariner
Anyone lambasting Hurst, go back and watch the last three games of Holloway’s tenure. That’s what I’ve just done. It’s made me feel a lot happier that Holloway is no longer our manager and that Hurst has improved the team.


Just because someone isn't a fan of Hurst doesn't mean they are a fan of Holloway. I was never a fan of Holloway but if you have actually watched those three games we did in fact win one. :P

Posted by: Vance Warner, April 6, 2021, 6:46am; Reply: 67
Quoted from HarrogateMariner
I have had a complete 360 degree change of opinion on Hurst over the past few weeks. Initially I wanted someone else and was not happy he had returned, partly I have to admit due to him leaving first time and also due to his reluctance to give youth a chance and the reliance on loan signings.

But I have since changed my mind and now feel he is right to take us forward, for nothing more than the fact we now have a core settled group of players and some actual consistency. I was of the opinion 3 months ago we needed a clean start end of season, a new manager, a whole new squad. Now I see that would be the worst thing to happen. We are craving for some consistency which I feel he can give us, hopefully with the 6 or 7 players I feel we should keep as a basis to build from. I hope he does keep these players (assuming they want to stay). I am fed up of having to learn about new players all the time. Importantly I feel this group would be good enough as a basis for a promotion push from non league, obviously alongside quality additions. Plus I feel Hurst can get us back up quickly.

I speak as if we are down because unfortunately I think we are. I hope I am wrong, I just can't see it.

Yes we haven't won many matches under Hurst. Yes we don't score enough. Yes it took a while for him to find his best team. But this all provides the basis for planning for next season. If Hurst goes this all starts again. He will know right now who he wants to keep. If he left end of season we are left with a new manager guessing what each player is like. We move back 3 months in the whole process.

As long as the take over goes ahead, Hurst will be manager at the start of next season. It is as simple as that. So therefore lets all get behind him and the team for these last games and beyond. I genuinely don't think there is a discussion to be had about 'Hurst out', unless the takeover falls through, but let's not go there....


Excellent post and refreshing to hear from someone open minded and willing to change their opinion. Not enough of that in football or life these days. The only thing I would argue with is a new manager setting the process back by 3 months. I actually think it’s at least a year which is one of the reasons we are in this mess
Posted by: pontoonlew, April 6, 2021, 8:06am; Reply: 68
I think Hurst deserves praise for making us hard to beat but in equal measure needs to take responsibility for the fact we’re simply not winning enough games. The fact he didn’t make subs for the umpteenth time yesterday and tried to justify that, sums it up. It was very similar in the conference, far too often plan A didn’t work (especially against the big teams) and we’d rarely have a plan b until 80 odd mins.

All that said, I’ve changed my mind in the sense I’d keep him for next season in NL. The club needs stability and I think we’re in a much much better position than when we went down last time. Unless of course Fenty stays, in which case it’s an absolute disaster and Hurst will leave anyway.
Posted by: thefish, April 6, 2021, 8:36am; Reply: 69
Quoted from davmariner
Anyone lambasting Hurst, go back and watch the last three games of Holloway’s tenure. That’s what I’ve just done. It’s made me feel a lot happier that Holloway is no longer our manager and that Hurst has improved the team.


Christ... didn’t you have anything better to do over the Easter weekend?
Posted by: Tinymariner, April 6, 2021, 9:17am; Reply: 70
I'm not a Hurst fan, did not want him back here, I was pleased when he left. However, he has turned one of the most helpless Town teams I have ever seen into a pretty unbeatable team. Some of the best teams in this league cannot beat us and I am very happy with this transformation although I do believe we are relegated. I would keep Hurst here for next season and go for promotion as soon as possible. UTM.
Posted by: 140067 (Guest), April 6, 2021, 9:35am; Reply: 71
Yoda you are a horrible green bogey.
Posted by: 140067 (Guest), April 6, 2021, 9:42am; Reply: 72
An I happy with the situation? No  Do I think we will stay up? Yes..
Am I an eternal optimistic? Yes. Will I buy a season ticket next year? Yes. Am I passionate about my Team? Yes, I will support them through thick and thin, until my last breath. UTM.
Posted by: ginnywings, April 6, 2021, 10:19am; Reply: 73
I think one of the problems of armchair fans, myself included, is that we think we know the answers and that changing the team either before or during the game will magically make a difference in our favour.

Two of the things constantly levelled at PH, is that he doesn't play for the win and he doesn't change the side when we are not winning during a game. I would dispute the first notion, as I do believe he does play for the win, but just goes about it in a non too cavalier way. More George Graham than Arsene Wenger. Both approaches can and do work with the right players but fans such as myself find it tedious and uninspiring. Having said that, we did win quite a few games by a 2 or 3 goal margin under him last time he was here, but it always felt laboured under him somehow.

As for the substitutes thing, it does get frustrating and can be used as a stick to beat him with should we not get the desired result. I've said before that changing personnel is all well and good, if you have the personnel on the side lines that can effect a positive change and I'm not sure we have at the moment. Don't forget that these players are being constantly analysed, before, during, and after games as to their fitness levels, sprints, recovery and all manner of information we are not privy to. So when fans sit there saying, get player x off the pitch, he looks knackered, they actually know in real time whether he is flagging or not. Substitutions can also go the other way and unbalance the side, making things worse. It's a bone of contention for many though and one which will never please everyone, whatever the outcome.

Hurst is a very divisive manager and one that is definitely Marmite among the fans, but when I think back to the teams he put together last time, especially the one that got us back into the league, I haven't seen a side anywhere near that since, and I am confident they would beat any of the sides put together by subsequent managers. Almost 5 years after getting promoted, we are far worse than we were last time he was in charge. He's the only manager to get us in a play off since 2005 and the only manager to get us promoted since 1990, but none of that seems to count for some as it was non league. Truth is, it's harder to get out of that league than it is League 2, so he deserves a crack at it again.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, April 6, 2021, 10:41am; Reply: 74
Quoted from ginnywings
I think one of the problems of armchair fans, myself included, is that we think we know the answers and that changing the team either before or during the game will magically make a difference in our favour.

Two of the things constantly levelled at PH, is that he doesn't play for the win and he doesn't change the side when we are not winning during a game. I would dispute the first notion, as I do believe he does play for the win, but just goes about it in a non too cavalier way. More George Graham than Arsene Wenger. Both approaches can and do work with the right players but fans such as myself find it tedious and uninspiring. Having said that, we did win quite a few games by a 2 or 3 goal margin under him last time he was here, but it always felt laboured under him somehow.

As for the substitutes thing, it does get frustrating and can be used as a stick to beat him with should we not get the desired result. I've said before that changing personnel is all well and good, if you have the personnel on the side lines that can effect a positive change and I'm not sure we have at the moment. Don't forget that these players are being constantly analysed, before, during, and after games as to their fitness levels, sprints, recovery and all manner of information we are not privy to. So when fans sit there saying, get player x off the pitch, he looks knackered, they actually know in real time whether he is flagging or not. Substitutions can also go the other way and unbalance the side, making things worse. It's a bone of contention for many though and one which will never please everyone, whatever the outcome.

Hurst is a very divisive manager and one that is definitely Marmite among the fans, but when I think back to the teams he put together last time, especially the one that got us back into the league, I haven't seen a side anywhere near that since, and I am confident they would beat any of the sides put together by subsequent managers. Almost 5 years after getting promoted, we are far worse than we were last time he was in charge. He's the only manager to get us in a play off since 2005 and the only manager to get us promoted since 1990, but none of that seems to count for some as it was non league. Truth is, it's harder to get out of that league than it is League 2, so he deserves a crack at it again.


Not picking a fight here but I doubt we're looking at player stats in real time, we are so far behind in this kind of thing that I doubt that we've got the technology to do it. It's more likely that Hurst and Doig look at each other and say 'he's knackered'......but I'm happy to be told otherwise.

More broadly, the problem we have with substitutions is that we generally will be replacing mediocre players with poorer ones. Not generally a recipe for changing the game. When you have Hanson, The Shop and Payne on the pitch your substitution options are limited. We saw on Saturday that Green isn't making a difference.
Posted by: exiledmeggie, April 6, 2021, 11:02am; Reply: 75
He has made us unbeaten at last. So to go forward, we only need to drop one place at the end of next season, under new ownership? Or can we actually go up two places now?
Posted by: HertsGTFC, April 6, 2021, 11:16am; Reply: 76
Quoted from ginnywings
I think one of the problems of armchair fans, myself included, is that we think we know the answers and that changing the team either before or during the game will magically make a difference in our favour.

Two of the things constantly levelled at PH, is that he doesn't play for the win and he doesn't change the side when we are not winning during a game. I would dispute the first notion, as I do believe he does play for the win, but just goes about it in a non too cavalier way. More George Graham than Arsene Wenger. Both approaches can and do work with the right players but fans such as myself find it tedious and uninspiring. Having said that, we did win quite a few games by a 2 or 3 goal margin under him last time he was here, but it always felt laboured under him somehow.

As for the substitutes thing, it does get frustrating and can be used as a stick to beat him with should we not get the desired result. I've said before that changing personnel is all well and good, if you have the personnel on the side lines that can effect a positive change and I'm not sure we have at the moment. Don't forget that these players are being constantly analysed, before, during, and after games as to their fitness levels, sprints, recovery and all manner of information we are not privy to. So when fans sit there saying, get player x off the pitch, he looks knackered, they actually know in real time whether he is flagging or not. Substitutions can also go the other way and unbalance the side, making things worse. It's a bone of contention for many though and one which will never please everyone, whatever the outcome.

Hurst is a very divisive manager and one that is definitely Marmite among the fans, but when I think back to the teams he put together last time, especially the one that got us back into the league, I haven't seen a side anywhere near that since, and I am confident they would beat any of the sides put together by subsequent managers. Almost 5 years after getting promoted, we are far worse than we were last time he was in charge. He's the only manager to get us in a play off since 2005 and the only manager to get us promoted since 1990, but none of that seems to count for some as it was non league. Truth is, it's harder to get out of that league than it is League 2, so he deserves a crack at it again.


All makes perfect sense, I have always believed that part of the reason he was re-recruited is that he has an understanding of how to get a side out of non league just in case (as it seems like) we may need it.

I'm sure he's also looking at things long term as he wasn't at Shrewsbury more than 2 seasons if I remember rightly and the other 2 jobs less than a season.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, April 6, 2021, 11:26am; Reply: 77
Quoted from exiledmeggie
He has made us unbeaten at last. So to go forward, we only need to drop one place at the end of next season, under new ownership? Or can we actually go up two places now?


Yep. We've gone from shipping 3,4 and 5 goals in a game to being very tight and difficult to beat. I get the frustration of not scoring many and would like to see him giving more time to Lamy (when fit) and Jackson to inject speed into the attack but he does have limited options.
Posted by: Iknowyoursecret, April 6, 2021, 12:31pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from 140067
Yoda you are a horrible green bogey.


WHO! Never heard of the guy (:
Posted by: Black_and_White_Bear, April 6, 2021, 12:49pm; Reply: 79
Quoted from Yoda
I knew he would take us down i didn’t want him
Yesterday’s man crap players crap subs no idea of how to win a game is it 2 in 17 disgraceful his managerial career is over.


FFS this again, you really are a PITA, just gone 8 games in a row undefeated and we ARE NOT relegated yet. UTM

Posted by: Black_and_White_Bear, April 6, 2021, 12:51pm; Reply: 80
Quoted from louth_in_the_south
I agree with the OP . He’s made us hard to beat but we can’t get results with his tactics and don’t get me started on his substitutions when we need to get a result.
Fresh start from top to bottom required to restart GTFC.


We just had 8 results in a row that still keeps us in L2 for the moment.

Posted by: Swansea_Mariner, April 6, 2021, 12:55pm; Reply: 81
We're hardly setting up for a draw with three strikers on the pitch in the last four matches.

I do think looking at Hursts overall  record since returning is a tad unfair, Holloways team was in complete freefall with only that random win against Scunthorpe in what was a truly abject match standing apart. Those first few games with that team were highly unlikely to yield any points under any manager imho. We were NLN standard.

Post Cheltenham Hurst said he thought he was getting the best out of the players at his disposal, I'm not sure how we can disagree with that, we just held the best team in the division to a draw. I'm not gonna say could have, would have, should have for some of those other recent matches because we didn't, but its certainly been fine margins for us.

I'll admit it is hard to look at it objectively because we are cut adrift at the bottom of the table, and I suppose it can be said "well Hurst did bring a lot of these players in". I guess he just brought in a mid table side when we needed something better, however that something better is more easily said than done.
Posted by: Black_and_White_Bear, April 6, 2021, 1:03pm; Reply: 82
Quoted from arryarryarry


Did it though, we failed miserably with their goal and it was down to Macca to keep the score at 1-1 because the defence couldn't cope with their throw ins and corners.


You are totally wrong there. Waterfall was NOT responsible for their goal, there were either 3 or 4 Town players in front of him and he couldn't get to the ball.  And they only scored with 1 throw in out of the numerous throw ins they had. Waterfall was a rock at the heart off the defence, winning headers all day long and blocking tackle too.  MotM for me, it just seems that for some reason, some fans like to pick out several of our players and give them a hard time on here.  I sometimes wonder if these obnoxious  'fans' have watch3ed the game, or if the did, know nothing about football.

Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, April 6, 2021, 1:08pm; Reply: 83


We just had 8 results in a row that still keeps us in L2 for the moment.



Merely prolonging the inevitable not keeping us in it. These draws are nothing more then keeping someone on life support with no cure in sight (wins). As for the original OPs post. Its far too late, should of been done by mid to end of Feb if we were going to do it.
Posted by: Black_and_White_Bear, April 6, 2021, 1:14pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from arryarryarry


Looking at their goal again we had the 3 centre-halves + Hanson + Habergham (and he's quite tall) and no one could prevent a virtually free header.


If you run that goal back a few times, you will see that we had 4 players close to the scorer, then Hanson a bit further away, and Waterfall a bit further away from Hanson too.  Now, we can't have 6 players all on the same spot trying to win the ball, we have to have players beyond that spot in case they get a flick on.  I suspect that was where Waterfall was to be and that Hanson was meant to challenge the header of the ball, but with 4 of our smaller players in his way, he couldn't get through.

Posted by: devs, April 6, 2021, 1:25pm; Reply: 85
Managers always take the flak and in many ways rightly so...someone has to be accountable
GKs and defenders come next on the pecking order of criticism - again, rightly so on occasion

But it's very rare forwards 'cop it' game after game with the same level of feeling

It's worth pointing out the appalling misses in last two games from Lenny (Salford at the end) and yesterday when Hanson and Green wasted golden chances with pathetic, half-hearted, panicky efforts

But crap like "well, at least he was in the right place to miss it..." is always trotted out
Or "he's just lacking a bit of confidence at the minute" - bollox...it's their main job that they practice day after day

I don't expect an 80% conversion rate at L2 (they wouldn't be play8ing at gtfc) but 2 out of 5? Is that unreasonable?

So we can blame Hurst for tactics all we like; GKs and defenders for mistakes that often lead to goals
But IMO strikers get away with shite finishing time after time

Glory boys!



Posted by: Black_and_White_Bear, April 6, 2021, 1:27pm; Reply: 86


Merely prolonging the inevitable not keeping us in it. These draws are nothing more then keeping someone on life support with no cure in sight (wins). As for the original OPs post. Its far too late, should of been done by mid to end of Feb if we were going to do it.


Well, Green had an excellent chance to score the winner yesterday, and there were a couple of other matches in the last 8 where we had chances to win.  Yes, I know chances don't win matches, but surely our luck is going to change!  I believe we can get some wins, and hope that the teams around us drop points.  I believe we WILL stay up.  UTM.

Posted by: MarinerWY, April 6, 2021, 1:30pm; Reply: 87
Quoted from Swansea_Mariner
We're hardly setting up for a draw with three strikers on the pitch in the last four matches.

I do think looking at Hursts overall  record since returning is a tad unfair, Holloways team was in complete freefall with only that random win against Scunthorpe in what was a truly abject match standing apart. Those first few games with that team were highly unlikely to yield any points under any manager imho. We were NLN standard.

Post Cheltenham Hurst said he thought he was getting the best out of the players at his disposal, I'm not sure how we can disagree with that, we just held the best team in the division to a draw. I'm not gonna say could have, would have, should have for some of those other recent matches because we didn't, but its certainly been fine margins for us.

I'll admit it is hard to look at it objectively because we are cut adrift at the bottom of the table, and I suppose it can be said "well Hurst did bring a lot of these players in". I guess he just brought in a mid table side when we needed something better, however that something better is more easily said than done.


Great post.

I think Hurst has built a half-decent team. I know it's not enough, but that's not Hurst's doing... and I don't know which miracle worker (willing to join us) would have got us from what we were to a team that was going to beat (rather than merely draw) against top-placed teams. Answers on a postcard please...
Posted by: Black_and_White_Bear, April 6, 2021, 1:38pm; Reply: 88
Quoted from devs
Managers always take the flak and in many ways rightly so...someone has to be accountable
GKs and defenders come next on the pecking order of criticism - again, rightly so on occasion

But it's very rare forwards 'cop it' game after game with the same level of feeling

It's worth pointing out the appalling misses in last two games from Lenny (Salford at the end) and yesterday when Hanson and Green wasted golden chances with pathetic, half-hearted, panicky efforts

But crap like "well, at least he was in the right place to miss it..." is always trotted out
Or "he's just lacking a bit of confidence at the minute" - bollox...it's their main job that they practice day after day

I don't expect an 80% conversion rate at L2 (they wouldn't be play8ing at gtfc) but 2 out of 5? Is that unreasonable?

So we can blame Hurst for tactics all we like; GKs and defenders for mistakes that often lead to goals
But IMO strikers get away with shite finishing time after time

Glory boys!





So @Devs, In the late 60's I played for Barton United in the Scunthorpe and District Junior League at Centre Half for 4 years until I joined the Army.  Even though we got promoted 4 seasons in a row, I still got a lot of stick when mistakes were made.  In the Army I played as Centre Forward, and represented my Regiment at all levels up to playing for the Army (Cyprus) team, and again took a lot of stick when making errors from our coach.  So in my opinion, everyone that drops a clanger or two gets a slating from the coach, even Forwards.   ;)



Posted by: Bristol Mariner, April 6, 2021, 1:38pm; Reply: 89
Yoda, intercourse off with Fenty and Noche.
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, April 6, 2021, 2:48pm; Reply: 90


Well, Green had an excellent chance to score the winner yesterday, and there were a couple of other matches in the last 8 where we had chances to win.  Yes, I know chances don't win matches, but surely our luck is going to change! I believe we can get some wins, and hope that the teams around us drop points.  I believe we WILL stay up.  UTM.



Didn't know Grimsby had luck, its certainly very rarely shown its head. I can see 1 win in our last few reamining fixtures and that Port Vale, everything else is a draw or a defeat. I have zero belief we'll stay up just have to look at how results have gone, everytime we have a chance to get something on the teams above something happens and the gap either stays the same or increases further.
Posted by: louth_in_the_south, April 6, 2021, 4:56pm; Reply: 91


We just had 8 results in a row that still keeps us in L2 for the moment.



More interested in being a league club next season . Not bothered about right now . And he’s not going to achieve that let’s fooking face it .
Anyone who saw theStevenage ,  Colchester and Walsall games  can see he’s really done fook all ,, it was Sunday league stuff in games we had to win .
Posted by: HertsGTFC, April 6, 2021, 5:40pm; Reply: 92


If you run that goal back a few times, you will see that we had 4 players close to the scorer, then Hanson a bit further away, and Waterfall a bit further away from Hanson too.  Now, we can't have 6 players all on the same spot trying to win the ball, we have to have players beyond that spot in case they get a flick on.  I suspect that was where Waterfall was to be and that Hanson was meant to challenge the header of the ball, but with 4 of our smaller players in his way, he couldn't get through.



I did exactly as you described and in essence we should have been more organised as a unit, especially when we knew it was going to be there big tac tic.  
Posted by: Black_and_White_Bear, April 6, 2021, 6:32pm; Reply: 93
Quoted from HertsGTFC


I did exactly as you described and in essence we should have been more organised as a unit, especially when we knew it was going to be there big tac tic.  


Agreed, but to be fair, I think we defended those throws well throughout the match, until that one got through.

Posted by: Doha, April 10, 2021, 7:01pm; Reply: 94


Didn't know Grimsby had luck, its certainly very rarely shown its head. I can see 1 win in our last few reamining fixtures and that Port Vale, everything else is a draw or a defeat. .


Is that the Vale that have just won 6 in a row and beat Grimsby 3-0 in the away game?
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