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It’s depressing enough with the situation we are in at present but reading the Fishy these days just makes it worse!
I will no doubt be shot at dawn for this but it’s not doing any good moaning and wanting Hurst out. He’s doing his best with what he inherited ,and the new players need time to gel and deliver. We cannot keep sacking managers.......
He knows it’s not good enough,and it was plain to see he felt the pain after the Orient match.
He needs our support not constant criticism.....which is unfair. He’s no doubt feeling very down so we need to support and help.
It’s my view so I need to say it.

UTM

Quoted from Epworth Mariner

It’s depressing enough with the situation we are in at present but reading the Fishy these days just makes it worse!
I will no doubt be shot at dawn for this but it’s not doing any good moaning and wanting Hurst out. He’s doing his best with what he inherited ,and the new players need time to gel and deliver. We cannot keep sacking managers.......
He knows it’s not good enough,and it was plain to see he felt the pain after the Orient match.
He needs our support not constant criticism.....which is unfair. He’s no doubt feeling very down so we need to support and help.
It’s my view so I need to say it.

UTM

Even Hurst would say things have not gone according to plan, so I am not sure what you expect us to say?

There is no point glossing over stuff, we are a shambles of a team playing atrocious football with players that are not motivated. If he wants to continue to manage professional clubs he will have to sort it out, at least in the sense that we go down fighting if nothing else.

Like a lot of posters GTFC is etched on my heart and I have been a fanatical supporter for 60 years, but me saying positive things on here will not make a jot of difference. Paul Hurst is well used to taking flak, as every manager is but I don't agree Hurst is doing his best. He will have to up his game considerably and get those players wanting to give everything for the cause.

I obviously want him to succeed, but if he doesn't have any answers then we must try something different or go down with a wimper.

Quoted from Epworth Mariner

It’s depressing enough with the situation we are in at present but reading the Fishy these days just makes it worse!
I will no doubt be shot at dawn for this but it’s not doing any good moaning and wanting Hurst out. He’s doing his best with what he inherited ,and the new players need time to gel and deliver. We cannot keep sacking managers.......
He knows it’s not good enough,and it was plain to see he felt the pain after the Orient match.
He needs our support not constant criticism.....which is unfair. He’s no doubt feeling very down so we need to support and help.
It’s my view so I need to say it.

UTM

Very hard to connect with management and players when you can't go to games. I've found that I'm looking at results and the table and, in general, neither squad and neither manager has been able to create any enthusiasm. It became very evident very early in the season that we were going to struggle and I'm afraid the major overhaul is unlikely to work even though I'd be ecstatic if it did.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I don't agree Hurst is doing his best.

I assume, by this, you mean that he is not getting the best out of his team?

There is absolutely no evidence of his not putting in every effort to turn things around. The one thing I would never accuse PH of is a lack of effort. He put in an almighty shift to haul this club back into the FL and there is no way that he will want to see that work undone without a fight.

Quoted from Epworth Mariner

It’s depressing enough with the situation we are in at present but reading the Fishy these days just makes it worse!
I will no doubt be shot at dawn for this but it’s not doing any good moaning and wanting Hurst out. He’s doing his best with what he inherited ,and the new players need time to gel and deliver. We cannot keep sacking managers.......
He knows it’s not good enough,and it was plain to see he felt the pain after the Orient match.
He needs our support not constant criticism.....which is unfair. He’s no doubt feeling very down so we need to support and help.
It’s my view so I need to say it.

UTM

Well said - The Fishy is becoming this boring, repetitive, negative s hit show these days.

Maybe next week when the schools re-open, things will start to calm down.

The club has been in decline for twenty years, and you could bring in any Manager you want, but theyr'e not going to turn it around in 3 or 4 weeks. Look how long it's taking Manchester United and Arsenal to rebuild after years of failure.

Yes, Town might go down but they need the supporter base to play a positive role in getting back to a better future.

Moaning continuously doesn't help, it just adds to the negativity and that puts more pressure on the Manager.

Fans travelled across the country pre-pandemic in their droves to support the club, much to the jealousy of most of our rivals.

Fans raised 100k to take the side up from Non League.

They also raised money for the club this summer.

They've also paid £10 a week (sometimes twice) to watch us on a laptop.

There's literally not a thing most fans will not do to 'support' the club and the majority of those things get thrown in our faces. Be that by the board or by the players themselves with half arsed performances, the result being pure devastation for the fans who have done all of the above and more over their lives to 'support' the club.

If you're happy to keep clapping your way through this then fine, the players (blindly) get my support every single week and regularly let me down. What do you want us to say? Cheers lads for wasting our time and money again, hope you enjoy your new club whilst ours gets relegated? Players will very rarely get abuse from fans, but they'll certainly be told in no uncertain terms what is and what isn't acceptable, as will the manager. If that doesn't make us supporters, then I'm not sure what else to tell you.

Also, I've seen maybe 1-2 people that want Hurst gone, 99.9% of our fanbase are nowhere near that, but he deserves the criticism for the past 2 games.

Quoted from malkamalka

Well said - The Fishy is becoming this boring, repetitive, negative s hit show these days.

Maybe next week when the schools re-open, things will start to calm down.

The club has been in decline for twenty years, and you could bring in any Manager you want, but theyr'e not going to turn it around in 3 or 4 weeks. Look how long it's taking Manchester United and Arsenal to rebuild after years of failure.

Yes, Town might go down but they need the supporter base to play a positive role in getting back to a better future.

Moaning continuously doesn't help, it just adds to the negativity and that puts more pressure on the Manager.

So has the team, performances and results or don't you watch the games?

Burton sacked their manager and he has turned them around, Colchester hadn't won for weeks, they sacked their manager and won this week, same for Leyton Orient.

Quoted from arryarryarry

So has the team, performances and results or don't you watch the games?

Burton sacked their manager and he has turned them around, Colchester hadn't won for weeks, they sacked their manager and won this week, same for Leyton Orient.

I believe it's called the bounce which only worked, be it a small bounce, in the 2nd half against Cambridge. Deflation entered and the bounce was no more.

Quoted from arryarryarry

So has the team, performances and results or don't you watch the games?

Burton sacked their manager and he has turned them around, Colchester hadn't won for weeks, they sacked their manager and won this week, same for Leyton Orient.

Indeed.

And look at Bradford. they were in dire straights and in the relegation scrap. new managers take over and then they win 9 and draw3 of the next 13. games. Incredible turnaround. They also signed 9 new players in the January window and don't seem to have any problems regarding getting them playing together.

It never seems to work out for us, but you cant argue against the fact that many clubs change their fortunes by changing manager. On the other hand, how often does a manager on a dire losing streak ever miraculously come good?

Quoted from RonMariner

Indeed.

And look at Bradford. they were in dire straights and in the relegation scrap. new managers take over and then they win 9 and draw3 of the next 13. games. Incredible turnaround. They also signed 9 new players in the January window and don't seem to have any problems regarding getting them playing together.

It never seems to work out for us, but you cant argue against the fact that many clubs change their fortunes by changing manager. On the other hand, how often does a manager on a dire losing streak ever miraculously come good?

Are you saying we should change the manager again, 2 months after we last changed the manager?

The Club has been in decline for many years. The supporters (including The Fishy) are not to blame for this. We are the victims, loyal sufferers for too long.

Quoted from ginnywings

Are you saying we should change the manager again, 2 months after we last changed the manager?

Barrow have and "if" they start to pull away then we'll have missed the boat..
At the end of the day, the threads about supporting the club.
I'll always do that but don't ask me to back a manager who couldn't organise a p!ss up in a brewery or players who couldn't give s flying f@ck.
I'm entitled to my point of view re the above but can rain, shine, hail or wind, GTFC is my blood, to me it's become a way of life and will remain so until the big man in the sky cones a knocking.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Barrow have and "if" they start to pull away then we'll have missed the boat..
At the end of the day, the threads about supporting the club.
I'll always do that but don't ask me to back a manager who couldn't organise a p!ss up in a brewery or players who couldn't give s flying f@ck.
I'm entitled to my point of view re the above but can rain, shine, hail or wind, GTFC is my blood, to me it's become a way of life and will remain so until the big man in the sky cones a knocking.

Chill out, was just a question.

Quoted from ginnywings

Are you saying we should change the manager again, 2 months after we last changed the manager?

"we" didn't change the manager, Holloway resigned so effectively we haven't sacked a manager this season, yet.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Barrow have and "if" they start to pull away then we'll have missed the boat..
At the end of the day, the threads about supporting the club.
I'll always do that but don't ask me to back a manager who couldn't organise a p!ss up in a brewery or players who couldn't give s flying f@ck.
I'm entitled to my point of view re the above but can rain, shine, hail or wind, GTFC is my blood, to me it's become a way of life and will remain so until the big man in the sky cones a knocking.

Harsh on PH that. Mans trying his best and to say he cant organise a urine up in a brewery is wrong. He’s a good manager and a good man.

Quoted from Epworth Mariner

It’s depressing enough with the situation we are in at present but reading the Fishy these days just makes it worse!
I will no doubt be shot at dawn for this but it’s not doing any good moaning and wanting Hurst out. He’s doing his best with what he inherited ,and the new players need time to gel and deliver. We cannot keep sacking managers.......
He knows it’s not good enough,and it was plain to see he felt the pain after the Orient match.
He needs our support not constant criticism.....which is unfair. He’s no doubt feeling very down so we need to support and help.
It’s my view so I need to say it.

UTM

^^And I agree 100% with the above! UTM.

Quoted from Epworth Mariner

It’s depressing enough with the situation we are in at present but reading the Fishy these days just makes it worse!
I will no doubt be shot at dawn for this but it’s not doing any good moaning and wanting Hurst out. He’s doing his best with what he inherited ,and the new players need time to gel and deliver. We cannot keep sacking managers.......
He knows it’s not good enough,and it was plain to see he felt the pain after the Orient match.
He needs our support not constant criticism.....which is unfair. He’s no doubt feeling very down so we need to support and help.
It’s my view so I need to say it.

UTM

In the normal run of things I would agree if we were mid table not looking at promotion. We're not, what's more this is a fans site to post their opinions whether others like them or not.

Without exception everybody on here are supporters and only want the very best for the club, the manager and the players. But because of covid we cannot go into BP. We cannot cheer the team on, create any sort of atmosphere or make our displeasure known. All in all we only have The Fishy to do this.

I am peed off with reading old chestnuts of excuses, which have all been read on here, debated and left for dead, for why we are in this position. I will say this again I believe Hurst is a good manager but he does deserve our criticism, 4 points out of 27 is not survival form. You complain about him being criticised, I would love to praise him, I genuinely would, but what for. Did you hear what he said about the players after the Orient match, bluntly some of the players he brought in couldn't give a dam. That being the case, he said it, has he lost the dressing room.

He's feeling down, it's part of his job description, high's and lows. Trained to cope with it. What is unfair about criticism when he not achieved anything. Do you say never mind carry on you're not doing a good job but I support you!

Optimistic and positive I definitely am, but along the line for the most ardent fan reality is slowly and surely kicking in. How long before somebody writes 'well I thought he would have kept us up'. Games are decreasing and points are not increasing.

Quoted from Hagrid

Harsh on PH that. Mans trying his best and to say he cant organise a urine up in a brewery is wrong. He’s a good manager and a good man.

In normal times he is a good manager, but these aren't normal times. His best is not good enough.

Quoted from Hagrid

Harsh on PH that. Mans trying his best and to say he cant organise a urine up in a brewery is wrong. He’s a good manager and a good man.

I'm with you Hagrid, I am sure Hurst is more than capable of organising a urine up in a brewery.

PS...if he decides to I would love to be invited along to help numb the pain of the last few performances.

Quoted from Hagrid

Harsh on PH that. Mans trying his best and to say he cant organise a urine up in a brewery is wrong. He’s a good manager and a good man.

It wasn't a dig at anyone in particular H, just saying I can't back any manger or player who can't or doesn't do their job properly and at the detriment to the club.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

It wasn't a dig at anyone in particular H, just saying I can't back any manger or player who can't or doesn't do their job properly and at the detriment to the club.

Hurst has a very good record as a manager. That he can't turn things around here is more indicative of the state of our club than his managerial misgivings.

I don't know who the intercourse people think the miracle-working manager-in-waiting is.

Quoted from pontoonlew

If you're happy to keep clapping your way through this then fine

This excrement has to stop. Just because some of us don't agree that sacking Hurst 2 months in and scraping the barrel for another manager willing to come to bottom of league 2 on the gamble that we'll get a bounce... does not mean we are happy with the situation

No town fan is happy with this.

Just cos I don't have a frothing at the mouth angry tirade at the easiest target after every loss doesn't mean I'm happy with it. Just cos I don't buy into the fickleness and instability that swapping and changing managers does not mean I'm happy.

And intercourse me, if people thought Paul Hurst was dour, this forum is something else. It's as if some people take pleasure in it. Tonduer was the target the other week. Some folk on here would get angry at their own shadow.

I've lost interest really, not set foot in a football ground for a year and the few I've seen on telly are ruined when every goal is checked by VAR.
Fed up with the hypocrisy too, when people used to get slagged off as armchair supporters but now it seems to be the dog's balderdash.

Hey, it’s my shadow and if I want to call him a lazy, shiftless, sneaky bastardwho hasn’t contributed anything all his life, apart making somewhere a bit cooler for smaller creatures, I can and I will. I pay good money to stand in light so I’m entitled to my opinion.

Quoted from Hagrid

Harsh on PH that. Mans trying his best and to say he cant organise a urine up in a brewery is wrong. He’s a good manager and a good man.

Agree and another managerial change is the last thing we need now.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Agree and another managerial change is the last thing we need now.

50 points is the magic number quoted. So what do we need to get them?

Quoted from DB

50 points is the magic number quoted. So what do we need to get them?

Wins

Quoted from MarinerWY

Hurst has a very good record as a manager. That he can't turn things around here is more indicative of the state of our club than his managerial misgivings.

I don't know who the intercourse people think the miracle-working manager-in-waiting is.

That's it. At the end of the day, the club is a basket case. So instead of looking at who's doing a bad job, it would be easier to say who is doing a good job.

Start at the top - I'm open to suggestions!

Quoted from arryarryarry

"we" didn't change the manager, Holloway resigned so effectively we haven't sacked a manager this season, yet.

You'd find an argument in an empty room.

Quoted from ginnywings

Are you saying we should change the manager again, 2 months after we last changed the manager?

Just pointing out some facts. It works for some clubs, but hasn't for us.

We won't change manager now. The window has gone so a new manager would be stuck with the squad we have.

The question is whether we think Hurst is the man to rebuild the club next season, whichever league we find ourselves in.

At the moment there is no evidence in terms of results and performance that make that a particularly attractive prospect.

Quoted from malkamalka

That's it. At the end of the day, the club is a basket case. So instead of looking at who's doing a bad job, it would be easier to say who is doing a good job.

Start at the top - I'm open to suggestions!

Rob does a good job on here keeping all of us in order

Quoted from DB

50 points is the magic number quoted. So what do we need to get them?

We need 8 wins and two draws from the remaining games.

The question is whether there is any evidence at all from the last four or five games that we are capable of doing that.

We still create very few chances and display weakness at the back. we hardly ever keep a clean sheet.  We at least have a better goalkeeper though.

I don't see how we are suddenly going to start winning every other game.  I think it would help if we had a more positive approach, and played with two up top. We just don't seem to have the players to keep it tight at the back so we may as well adopt an 'attack is the best form of defense' approach.

We ARE supporters
We ARE all Town aren’t we
We ARE Grimsby Till We Die

Apart from the man Hursty who led us back into the FL after a utterly dreadful season in 2009/2010 there is no other connections to the fans

On that pitch on a Saturday afternoon or whatever time they KO nowadays on a Tuesday there is no connection to us the fans - it means nothing to them - they don’t care about relegation do they?? Because if they did they would be busting a a testicle or two to avoid it

These lads / journey men / fill in accordingly representing OUR club our Grimsby Town don’t really know or understand what it means to us the supporters - the fans - the men the women who have spent decades of their lives supporting this club - who have spent thousands of pounds supporting this club - these football players currently haven’t experienced a Grimsby Town crowd in full voice - a Grimsby Town crowd filling out an away end in the middle of England - an away end in a suburb of London or in the North West

One man who knows what it means to us is Paul Hurst and Paul it’s down to you to install in these players what it means to US to US the Grimsby Town fans - because with out us this club would be nothing absolutely nothing

Quoted from Mariner Timsky

We ARE supporters
We ARE all Town aren’t we
We ARE Grimsby Till We Die

Apart from the man Hursty who led us back into the FL after a utterly dreadful season in 2009/2010 there is no other connections to the fans

On that pitch on a Saturday afternoon or whatever time they KO nowadays on a Tuesday there is no connection to us the fans - it means nothing to them - they don’t care about relegation do they?? Because if they did they would be busting a a testicle or two to avoid it

These lads / journey men / fill in accordingly representing OUR club our Grimsby Town don’t really know or understand what it means to us the supporters - the fans - the men the women who have spent decades of their lives supporting this club - who have spent thousands of pounds supporting this club - these football players currently haven’t experienced a Grimsby Town crowd in full voice - a Grimsby Town crowd filling out an away end in the middle of England - an away end in a suburb of London or in the North West

One man who knows what it means to us is Paul Hurst and Paul it’s down to you to install in these players what it means to US to US the Grimsby Town fans - because with out us this club would be nothing absolutely nothing

Lord Nelson, Lord Beaverbrook, Winston Churchill, Maggie Thatcher.......can you hear me? Your boys took one hell of a beating!!!!!

Quoted from Mariner Timsky

We ARE supporters
We ARE all Town aren’t we
We ARE Grimsby Till We Die

Apart from the man Hursty who led us back into the FL after a utterly dreadful season in 2009/2010 there is no other connections to the fans

On that pitch on a Saturday afternoon or whatever time they KO nowadays on a Tuesday there is no connection to us the fans - it means nothing to them - they don’t care about relegation do they?? Because if they did they would be busting a a testicle or two to avoid it

These lads / journey men / fill in accordingly representing OUR club our Grimsby Town don’t really know or understand what it means to us the supporters - the fans - the men the women who have spent decades of their lives supporting this club - who have spent thousands of pounds supporting this club - these football players currently haven’t experienced a Grimsby Town crowd in full voice - a Grimsby Town crowd filling out an away end in the middle of England - an away end in a suburb of London or in the North West

One man who knows what it means to us is Paul Hurst and Paul it’s down to you to install in these players what it means to US to US the Grimsby Town fans - because with out us this club would be nothing absolutely nothing

Wouldn't you have hoped he had already done this?

Quoted from ginnywings

You'd find an argument in an empty room.

But I'm right though.

Hence why I don't post much at The moment onn here... There is enough negativity in the world without me getting depressed and into a negative debate about how excrement our club is :(

Quoted from arryarryarry

But I'm right though.

Technically yes, but whether Holloway left or was sacked is splitting hairs. We have a new manager whose been here for 2 months and some fans, yourself included, think we should sack another one. We've had 9 managers and caretaker managers in less than 5 seasons, yet you think appointing number 10 will make us better. There is no evidence that getting yet another manager will have a positive effect, but there is plenty of evidence that it won't.

Apart from that, the only times in recent memory that we have looked like a proper team is when Hurst has been in charge. First in the conference and then his short time in league 2 before he left. It's been all downhill since he went to Shrewsbury.

Would you say that was right?

Quoted from ginnywings

Technically yes, but whether Holloway left or was sacked is splitting hairs. We have a new manager whose been here for 2 months and some fans, yourself included, think we should sack another one. We've had 9 managers and caretaker managers in less than 5 seasons, yet you think appointing number 10 will make us better. There is no evidence that getting yet another manager will have a positive effect, but there is plenty of evidence that it won't.

Apart from that, the only times in recent memory that we have looked like a proper team is when Hurst has been in charge. First in the conference and then his short time in league 2 before he left. It's been all downhill since he went to Shrewsbury.

Would you say that was right?

No, you're making things up now.

I never said it would make us better but it would be a gamble in exactly the same way it is a gamble keeping Hurst considering his current record since he joined.

Personally having seen all the games this season especially the last two which were appalling I would gamble on a new manager. Hopefully I am wrong and he keeps us up, but if we go down I would hope he leaves.

As regards his managerial record, his last two jobs and his current one haven't gone that well have they?

Quoted from arryarryarry

No, you're making things up now.

I never said it would make us better but it would be a gamble in exactly the same way it is a gamble keeping Hurst considering his current record since he joined.

Personally having seen all the games this season especially the last two which were appalling I would gamble on a new manager. Hopefully I am wrong and he keeps us up, but if we go down I would hope he leaves.

As regards his managerial record, his last two jobs and his current one haven't gone that well have they?

No they haven't but he didn't have much time to make a difference.

Interesting point of view you have, pessimistic in the extreme, but that can be forgiven with the relentless failure of the club we both want to see do well.

Think I'll retire to my corner now and see what transpires.