To say Hurst has been disappointing is an understatement.
I didn’t want him a lot of fans didn’t there has been zero improvement in the team his record is worse than Hollaways
For me no win Tuesday he has to go.

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Quoted from Yoda

To say Hurst has been disappointing is an understatement.
I didn’t want him a lot of fans didn’t there has been zero improvement in the team his record is worse than Hollaways
For me no win Tuesday he has to go.

As the real Yoda would say:

"twit, you are"

Yawn. Several people to blame for us being in this mess and Hurst is not one of them. If we go down he’s the man to rebuild for next season. I’m sure the new board will agree. Not hard to see why Fenty got away with it for so long when you see how people blame the manager after every defeat!

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look no further than 20 years of pathetic  investment and shocking managerial decisions

Quoted from Yoda

To say Hurst has been disappointing is an understatement.
I didn’t want him a lot of fans didn’t there has been zero improvement in the team his record is worse than Hollaways
For me no win Tuesday he has to go.

Stranger things have happened in football.

Notwithstanding the total mess Fenty has made of the club, Hurst was brought in with more than half the season left, we were not in the relegation places but it has gone from bad to worse.

The only improvement has been more cohesive before and after match interviews.

Brings in a new team which are as bad as the last one. I could understand it if there was even a slight improvement in the way we play but it is just a disjointed mess. The more time he has with the players, the worse it gets. What the hell is going on?

Man was dealt an impossible hand. Has had to ship out a load of dross and bring in a new team- and id hazard a guess his 2nd and 3rd choice options

That said, we are bottom of the league and are not improving. But PH has my full support. This thread is foolish

You could see why hurst picked the team he did - it just so happened that so many players were shite at the same time - I saw one or two players shirking tackles towards the end

Hurst won’t be sacked.
Today’s set of results have made no material difference, except our goal difference compared to Colchester is two better than yesterday
February was always going to be a tough month.
The important thing is to get plenty of points in March, starting Tuesday

Quoted from Steve Richards

Hopefully not many his points total so far is ridiculous poor. So many changes surely blending some of the previous team with new blood why change the whole team?

It was obvious from the beginning that he wanted the players he felt comfortable with, so he wasted that first month and thought it would come good after the window. His signings have been worse and have not settled at all. Most of them know how he wants to play, so why do we look so disjointed?

I saw on Twitter there was a bad reaction from Payne on being substituted. That is not a good sign so early on as I thought he wanted a tight-knit group all pulling together.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It was obvious from the beginning that he wanted the players he felt comfortable with, so he wasted that first month and thought it would come good after the window. His signings have been worse and have not settled at all. Most of them know how he wants to play, so why do we look so disjointed?

I saw on Twitter there was a bad reaction from Payne on being substituted. That is not a good sign so early on as I thought he wanted a tight-knit group all pulling together.

To be fair, if you were mid-post and I pulled you off (not a euphemism) to post Humbercod’s comments, you’d be a little vexed

He will be manager of the month in March. You heard it here first.

Pointless thread he won't have dosn't deserve to be sacked. I'm sure the players he brought in wasn't his first second or even third choice targets considering our position and being mid season. If he does take us down I'm sure he would build alot better squad in the summer even being non league. I still think most of our teams in the conference where far superior to the teams we've put out while being back in league 2.

We lose, Yoda posts something negative, people bite, the world keeps turning.

And then we play another game and lose that.

I would say 12 games and if we are not top of the National League then get rid.

Quoted from bawarmy

He will be manager of the month in March. You heard it here first.

Not bothered about that, just where the team be in the league at the end of March

Im sorry but I disagree with the majority- of course he should not get sacked on Tuesday if we loose but should we get relegated he has to go. He has been able to bring a whole new squad in and had plenty of time. I still feel we have some good players from the Jolley era that he has not got on board and/or playing to their potential.

And importantly we hopefully will have a new board in place irrespective of which league we are in. It will be a fresh start and we will need everyone together. If we have a manager in place who splits the fan base it's not a great start.  So yes we go down he has to go. Of course we stay up he is a hero and should stay. That is the reality.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Yawn. Several people to blame for us being in this mess and Hurst is not one of them. If we go down he’s the man to rebuild for next season. I’m sure the new board will agree. Not hard to see why Fenty got away with it for so long when you see how people blame the manager after every defeat!

Erm........his players, his tactics in a performance just as excrement as many under Holloway.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It was obvious from the beginning that he wanted the players he felt comfortable with, so he wasted that first month and thought it would come good after the window. His signings have been worse and have not settled at all. Most of them know how he wants to play, so why do we look so disjointed?

I saw on Twitter there was a bad reaction from Payne on being substituted. That is not a good sign so early on as I thought he wanted a tight-knit group all pulling together.

May have been down to the tactics but I thought Payne was poor today, might as well have played Gibson.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

It was obvious from the beginning that he wanted the players he felt comfortable with, so he wasted that first month and thought it would come good after the window. His signings have been worse and have not settled at all. Most of them know how he wants to play, so why do we look so disjointed?

I saw on Twitter there was a bad reaction from Payne on being substituted. That is not a good sign so early on as I thought he wanted a tight-knit group all pulling together.

The same people suggesting Payne being frustrated about going off are the same people complaining the players don’t care. I really don’t see how you think the January signings are worse than what they replaced. Do you want Green and Macca back or were you one of those slating them a month ago.

The things I’ve been most surprised about since Hurst’s return are,

- The formation, for someone who swore by 4-4-2 he hadn’t half fanny’d about with the formation and selections.

- His signings Eastwood, Adams and Mattette all decent but Mayo, The lad from Ipswich, Lennie, Coke and despite a good debut from the bench I’m not sure about Payne.

- How bad we are at the back and how we’ve not moved forward one bit.

His job is safe though.  

Quoted from Vance Warner

The same people suggesting Payne being frustrated about going off are the same people complaining the players don’t care. I really don’t see how you think the January signings are worse than what they replaced. Do you want Green and Macca back or were you one of those slating them a month ago.

I don't rate Green but could he have done any worse than Payne today?

Quoted from bawarmy

He will be manager of the month in March. You heard it here first.

In Southend and Barrow maybe... ;)

I cant say I have ever been a massive PH fan BUT when we got him back I expected him to shore up the defence and make us harder to beat?
I have found it quite alarming how many players have been shipped out and what quality they have been replaced by because to me I fail to see much of an upgrade?
Personally I think with most Manager`s and the PH type in particular you have to give them time but should we go down he needs to go if were not top two after 12 games like posted elsewhere (no excuses).
Very dispirited Mariner :-/

Quoted from pizzzza

As the real Yoda would say:

"twit, you are"

Weird. I was gonna say you got the wrong vowel but as soon as I clicked on this the real spelling was revealed but disappeared when I posted.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I cant say I have ever been a massive PH fan BUT when we got him back I expected him to shore up the defence and make us harder to beat?
I have found it quite alarming how many players have been shipped out and what quality they have been replaced by because to me I fail to see much of an upgrade?
Personally I think with most Manager`s and the PH type in particular you have to give them time but should we go down he needs to go if were not top two after 12 games like posted elsewhere (no excuses).
Very dispirited Mariner :-/

My comment was a bit tongue in cheek, however if we go down without even a decent fight of it I would hope he would have the decency to resign at the end of the season if we do.

Let's hope it doesn't come to that.

So Hurst is getting the blame for not being able to attract amazing players to town when we’re near the bottom of league 2. The suggestion that he’s had the equivalent of a pre season when we’ve had games coming thick and fast is a joke. So is the idea that we’ll get relegated and remove an manager who has experience of getting us promoted from the conference already. We’ll bring someone else in who will sign their own players, any advantage from parachute payments will be lost and we’ll sink like a stone. Still those who get a kick out of slagging off players and managers will have plenty of new targets.

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Interestingly when Hurst came it was described as a win, win situation for him. If we stay up he's a hero. If we're relegated it's holloway and fenty's fault.

Quoted from Eastendmariner

look no further than 20 years of pathetic  investment and shocking managerial decisions

Gold star from me

Quoted from Hagrid

Man was dealt an impossible hand. Has had to ship out a load of dross and bring in a new team- and id hazard a guess his 2nd and 3rd choice options

That said, we are bottom of the league and are not improving. But PH has my full support. This thread is foolish

Hagrid I know you’re a fan of Hurst but to say he was dealt an impossible hand is absolutely ridiculous. We wasn’t in the relegation zone when he arrived and we were picking up points, we have gone from a bottom half team to relegation fodder.

Before Holloway ran away there was no imminent danger of us being relegated, the league was so tight that after a win there would be posters on here getting over excited at the chance of a play off place.
Hurst is a stubborn man and came in with the intention to clear out Holloway’s men! No wonder the team went from bad to worse.

I think he has brought some good players in to be fair to him but when you try and replace a full team there will be some you get wrong as we have seen especially in defence, We know Hurst’s teams are quite negative, cautious 1-0 wins are what Hurst is about which is fine when you’re in a non league playoff spot but at the bottom of the leagues is doesn’t help when the defence has deteriorated.

Quoted from Humbercod

Hagrid I know you’re a fan of Hurst but to say he was dealt an impossible hand is absolutely ridiculous. We wasn’t in the relegation zone when he arrived and we were picking up points, we have gone from a bottom half team to relegation fodder.

Before Holloway ran away there was no imminent danger of us being relegated, the league was so tight that after a win there would be posters on here getting over excited at the chance of a play off place.
Hurst is a stubborn man and came in with the intention to clear out Holloway’s men! No wonder the team went from bad to worse.

I think he has brought some good players in to be fair to him but when you try and replace a full team there will be some you get wrong as we have seen especially in defence, We know Hurst’s teams are quite negative, cautious 1-0 wins are what Hurst is about which is fine when you’re in a non league playoff spot but at the bottom of the leagues is doesn’t help when the defence has deteriorated.

If Carlos Kickabout had taken over from Holloway and done the same as Hurst would your posts be the same just with a different managers name?

The year we came up we won 1 - 0 on 6 occasions, 4 at home and twice away. If you include the play off final we scored 3 goals or more in 15 games.

I’m not knocked out by what’s happened since he arrived but with all the change required there was always going to be a chance it would get worse before it gets better, I just don’t think it’s going to get better in time to keep us up.

Give him a break though.

Have to say I did not expect Hurst to turn water into wine overnight, but I did expect that we would by now have been turning in far better performances and would be harder to beat.  Certainly didn't expect 6 defeats in 8 games. That is worse than Holloway's last 8 games.

I am sure Hurst's future at the club would not have been conditional on keeping up this year. But maybe that was a mistake. Whatever his contract says, this is football. And as we all know, it's a results business.

Holloway’s team wasn’t half as bad I’m reading?????? Sheesh some people change their tune. We were plummeting into relegation and half of those matches Hurst has had were with Holloway players so to say it’s all on Hurst is wrong.

Quoted from oochiad

Holloway’s team wasn’t half as bad I’m reading?????? Sheesh some people change their tune. We were plummeting into relegation and half of those matches Hurst has had were with Holloway players so to say it’s all on Hurst is wrong.

Holloway didn't have his team in the relegation zone, and Hurst came in and dispirited the whole squad further by saying he wanted 8 new players.

I thought Hurst would come in and rebuild squad morale and get the best out of them whilst adding a few better players. So far it's been worse than it was before. I'm hopeful he turns it around, but Hurst is not at all free from blame if we go down.

Or perhaps Holloway should’ve been binned off weeks before he bottled it?

Some of those performances and results would’ve seen many a manager gone, sadly, for us, Holloway was in bed with Fenty and their crooked mate and had ulterior motives to hang around.

Fans bought the myth of ‘experienced so give him a chance’ blah blah when in truth we were absolutely abysmal. Saying we were clear of relegation under Holloway is a non statement, denial in fact. We were very much relegation fodder from the moment the club behaved and prepared as of the season wouldn’t finish...

If people thought it would improve overnight under Hurst they were mistaken, twice the man has been here and twice he’s come in when the club is in a mess.

We were done before Christmas. The fact we’re even in this position again after two previous occasions says more about the way the club has been run than Hurst or the current players he’s brought in. Once again though, when the inevitable happens the man responsible for so much that is wrong at the club will have walked away, a couple of million quid better off, 200k of cash that isn’t even his and will never really face the consequences of being a bent girl private.

See you all Tuesday...

For me if we go down Hurst has to go.
I know he had a difficult job but it wasn’t impossible.
If he’s still here if we go down i can see fan’s deserting the team in droves.
A fresh face will be needed with new owners there will be some optimism.

Quoted from aldi_01

Or perhaps Holloway should’ve been binned off weeks before he bottled it?

Some of those performances and results would’ve seen many a manager gone, sadly, for us, Holloway was in bed with Fenty and their crooked mate and had ulterior motives to hang around.

Fans bought the myth of ‘experienced so give him a chance’ blah blah when in truth we were absolutely abysmal. Saying we were clear of relegation under Holloway is a non statement, denial in fact. We were very much relegation fodder from the moment the club behaved and prepared as of the season wouldn’t finish...

If people thought it would improve overnight under Hurst they were mistaken, twice the man has been here and twice he’s come in when the club is in a mess.

We were done before Christmas. The fact we’re even in this position again after two previous occasions says more about the way the club has been run than Hurst or the current players he’s brought in. Once again though, when the inevitable happens the man responsible for so much that is wrong at the club will have walked away, a couple of million quid better off, 200k of cash that isn’t even his and will never really face the consequences of being a bent girl private.

See you all Tuesday...

To say that we were relegation fodder all season makes literally no sense when we weren't in the bottom 2. Granted, we were shite. But several teams were worse and we've managed to overtake them in terms of shitness in the last 3 months. Most of that time under Hurst.

Hurst has a another two years on his contract so it will cost the club money to get rid.

My hope is he can turn things around but he won't do that with safety first tactics as they are not working.

We have to play wingers and go to the opposition from the off its no good playing two big men up front if they are not getting any service.

Will Hurst do that starting Tuesday ?

Does a leopard change its spots ?

Quoted from HarrogateMariner

I'm sorry but I disagree with the majority- of course he should not get sacked on Tuesday if we loose but should we get relegated he has to go. He has been able to bring a whole new squad in and had plenty of time. I still feel we have some good players from the Jolley era that he has not got on board and/or playing to their potential.

And importantly we hopefully will have a new board in place irrespective of which league we are in. It will be a fresh start and we will need everyone together. If we have a manager in place who splits the fan base it's not a great start.  So yes we go down he has to go. Of course we stay up he is a hero and should stay. That is the reality.

Completely fair comment imho..

I just wish he'd start picking starting elevens without Waterfall and Hanson in it.

I truly believe these two's dominating influence on the team and its style of play are holding others back..

Quoted from Vance Warner

So Hurst is getting the blame for not being able to attract amazing players to town when we’re near the bottom of league 2. The suggestion that he’s had the equivalent of a pre season when we’ve had games coming thick and fast is a joke. So is the idea that we’ll get relegated and remove an manager who has experience of getting us promoted from the conference already. We’ll bring someone else in who will sign their own players, any advantage from parachute payments will be lost and we’ll sink like a stone. Still those who get a kick out of slagging off players and managers will have plenty of new targets.

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We've been near the bottom of League Two or worse for nearly twenty years. The outside perception of our club has been shot to pieces. This period is now a seventh of our complete history. It can only be turned around by a fully funded infrastructure project that players can buy into. The rot has well and truly set in. It's been an horrific decline in club standing within the football pyramid and its followers..

Quoted from Bigdog

Completely fair comment imho..

I just wish he'd start picking starting elevens without Waterfall and Hanson in it.

I truly believe these two's dominating influence on the team and its style of play are holding others back..

You do realise the side is at the bottom of L2? ;D

The last manager’s efforts at expansive footie and playing it out from the back with inadequate players went well didn’t it? I am with you in being anti-lump it but we have a manager whose middle name is Pragmatic. If anything we should be trying to get the ball out of our box and into theirs even quicker. I hate it but maybe missing out midfield and winning the second and third ball is our best bet with the players we have.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Hurst won’t be sacked.
Today’s set of results have made no material difference, except our goal difference compared to Colchester is two better than yesterday
February was always going to be a tough month.
The important thing is to get plenty of points in March, starting Tuesday

Aren't we a further point adrift of Southend?

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

You do realise the side is at the bottom of L2? ;D

The last manager’s efforts at expansive footie and playing it out from the back with inadequate players went well didn’t it? I am with you in being anti-lump it but we have a manager whose middle name is Pragmatic. If anything we should be trying to get the ball out of our box and into theirs even quicker. I hate it but maybe missing out midfield and winning the second and third ball is our best bet with the players we have.

Bottom of League Two, so we should play like a team from the 80s on Ploggers? Just like all teams that eventually get relegated do by resorting to ancient old desperation tactics?

The best players we've got in the squad are most probably the midfielders and you want to miss them out?

Waterfall is playing shite and Hanson is playing shite. Both immobile, We need added mobilty more than anything else, whether it's playing football or being pragmatic. Defence higher up the pitch and more forward passing options than directly to the big man because he can't run..

Still think with the squad we've got the way to go is a central midfield three with Adams, Morais, Wright or even Scannell wherever he is more advanced out wide to support Payne or LJL up top..

Still think Hurst will not get us relegated, it will be tight, but somehow it will come good (just)

It's fair to point out that Holloway's side did indeed pick up enough points here and there to keep us out of the bottom two, however our trajectory from mid-October (when we lost at home to Harrogate, when Edwards got injured) was clear to see.

Our FA Cup defeat to Dagenham was depressing, and then we followed that up with a 5-0 defeat at Tranmere.

Even when we won, we were far from convincing. We scraped wins against Scunny and Barrow, and the win at Crawley only came after we went behind early on (conceding early goals was a feature of Holloway's tenure).

The only times this season we've looked anything other than average to abysmal was in the win at Cheltenham and in fits and starts against Orient.

The bare facts are that we've lost 6 of Hurst's 8 games in charge, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. If Hurst hadn't tried to change personnel when we'd been so chronically dull and goal shy, he'd have been criticised (in fact he was for continuing to play Matt Green).

He's tried to change it — not because he wanted to, but because he had to. Stick with what we had, and we were going down. Twist, and maybe we'd have a chance of staying up.

The 'twist' hasn't paid off either, as things stand right now. It's shown signs that it might (first half v Newport; the win on Tuesday night) but, once more, it's slim pickings.

I also just want to dispel this myth that Hurst played for 1-0s in non-league.

We never had any problems scoring under his stewardship first time round. We always had really useful (if not great) strikers at the club who could bag plenty, and as limited as LJL is, Hurst got a great goalscoring season out of him. We won by some pretty big margins (I seem to remember us scoring 7 v Stockport, Halifax and Alfreton; 6 against Gateshead and 5 against a few teams too.

At the start of the 15/16 season we scored 21 goals in our first 9 games, scoring 4 on 3 occasions. A few games later we scored another 4 at Southport and 7 against Halifax.

I'm not claiming Hurst is some sort of secret and under-appreciated attacking guru, just that this label of being negative (Parslow Point) came back to bite him far less than we like to remember. But those are the memories that stick, evidently — not the 5-0 win over Altrincham, or the 4-0 and 4-3 wins over Aldershot, or the 4-1 win over Bromley, or the 4-0 win at Woking...

Even when we were back in the league, we had Bogle finding the back of the net regularly. Hurst may be displaying some negative tendencies right now, which, given the context, may be down to a lack of confidence in the players he inherited, and not having a pre-season to work with the players he's since signed.

It's really harsh to judge him on these eight games alone. Naturally we're all disappointed and frustrated at how they've played out, but whether we like the bloke or we dislike him for cupping his ear, losing 1-0 home to Braintree, etc, we know he can build a squad with good characters and decent strikers.

Circumstances created by Fenty, Day, Holloway, etc means he's being made to work with one hand tied behind his back. I'm desperate for him to succeed because that'll mean we stay up.

I'm sure he's already looking back and wondering if he should have done certain things differently, but we as a club are bleeding badly and we just don't have enough plasters. We need a Jolley-esque turn-around now; not beyond the realms of possibility, but given that we've tried every single type of manager (young, old, ex-Premier League) and none of them have had any success, Hurst is realistically our best bet for this situation right now.

He might not save us, and he should take a slice of the blame given the amount of games he's had to turn it around, but let's keep the criticism of him fair and in the context of what's come before.

Quoted from Garth

Still think Hurst will not get us relegated, it will be tight, but somehow it will come good (just)

I didn't think Grimsby Town would be relegated this season. Even though I've never been a fan of Hurst since he went solo I thought he'd have enough to keep you up, particularly after being allowed to bring in so many last month. Now I cannot see you avoiding relegation. I can't see two teams or even one team in a worse state than Grimsby Town.
Colchester United are in a mess but it will depend on Wayne Brown's ability to improve them.
Barrow's supporters seem optimistic now that Rob Kelly is back in charge.
Southend are playing well and picking up points.
Stevenage have been consistently getting enough decent results throughout the season.
And that's that. Surely Port Vale, Scunny and Walsall are out of reach. The only chink of light is that my predictions, as some on here might recollect, are often spectacularly wrong.

Yesterday was one of the reasons I didn't want the bloke back, worrying more about what the opposition will do rather than concentrating on what we should be doing to win the game.

Having said that, he's here now so we have to support him and hope for the best.
If we are relegated I definitely don't want him in charge, it took him six years last time I don't want that again.

For now in PH we have to trust UTM

Quoted from pen penfras

Holloway didn't have his team in the relegation zone, and Hurst came in and dispirited the whole squad further by saying he wanted 8 new players.

I thought Hurst would come in and rebuild squad morale and get the best out of them whilst adding a few better players. So far it's been worse than it was before. I'm hopeful he turns it around, but Hurst is not at all free from blame if we go down.

Hadn't Holloway already started "dispiriting" the team, moving players on without telling them, dissing them in the media and saying he needed half a team in the window?

Hurst has had 8 games but he must of had 3 weeks with no games to coach and drill the team.

I didn’t want hurst but i thought he would tighten us up at the back and get some nil nils and the odd one nil win and we would just scrape safety.

But games are running out i think Barrow are down then it’s us Southend possibly Colchester

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

You do realise the side is at the bottom of L2? ;D

The last manager’s efforts at expansive footie and playing it out from the back with inadequate players went well didn’t it? I am with you in being anti-lump it but we have a manager whose middle name is Pragmatic. If anything we should be trying to get the ball out of our box and into theirs even quicker. I hate it but maybe missing out midfield and winning the second and third ball is our best bet with the players we have.

Didn't see one in the last 2 games, just a 10/11 man defence

Historically, I have been a huge Hurst fan.
I have seen all of the games since his return with the exception of Newport away and Harrogate (when I saw the lineup for the game yesterday I refused to subscribe)
In the games that I have seen I have not seen one good performance yet, generally we have been run around at home with periods where we looked okay.The away games have been pretty appalling. I am desperately looking for a glimmer somewhere but I do think two home games this week means four points as a bare minimum and another gutless offering like yesterday will kill us
Utm

We really have to sink or swim with Hurst.   We don’t have the time left to change our manager again.  Even if we wanted to or had to.  

Therefore, we need to back him and the team in any way that we can.

Quoted from RichMariner

It's fair to point out that Holloway's side did indeed pick up enough points here and there to keep us out of the bottom two, however our trajectory from mid-October (when we lost at home to Harrogate, when Edwards got injured) was clear to see.

Our FA Cup defeat to Dagenham was depressing, and then we followed that up with a 5-0 defeat at Tranmere.

Even when we won, we were far from convincing. We scraped wins against Scunny and Barrow, and the win at Crawley only came after we went behind early on (conceding early goals was a feature of Holloway's tenure).

The only times this season we've looked anything other than average to abysmal was in the win at Cheltenham and in fits and starts against Orient.

The bare facts are that we've lost 6 of Hurst's 8 games in charge, but hindsight is a wonderful thing. If Hurst hadn't tried to change personnel when we'd been so chronically dull and goal shy, he'd have been criticised (in fact he was for continuing to play Matt Green).

He's tried to change it — not because he wanted to, but because he had to. Stick with what we had, and we were going down. Twist, and maybe we'd have a chance of staying up.

The 'twist' hasn't paid off either, as things stand right now. It's shown signs that it might (first half v Newport; the win on Tuesday night) but, once more, it's slim pickings.

I also just want to dispel this myth that Hurst played for 1-0s in non-league.

We never had any problems scoring under his stewardship first time round. We always had really useful (if not great) strikers at the club who could bag plenty, and as limited as LJL is, Hurst got a great goalscoring season out of him. We won by some pretty big margins (I seem to remember us scoring 7 v Stockport, Halifax and Alfreton; 6 against Gateshead and 5 against a few teams too.

At the start of the 15/16 season we scored 21 goals in our first 9 games, scoring 4 on 3 occasions. A few games later we scored another 4 at Southport and 7 against Halifax.

I'm not claiming Hurst is some sort of secret and under-appreciated attacking guru, just that this label of being negative (Parslow Point) came back to bite him far less than we like to remember. But those are the memories that stick, evidently — not the 5-0 win over Altrincham, or the 4-0 and 4-3 wins over Aldershot, or the 4-1 win over Bromley, or the 4-0 win at Woking...

Even when we were back in the league, we had Bogle finding the back of the net regularly. Hurst may be displaying some negative tendencies right now, which, given the context, may be down to a lack of confidence in the players he inherited, and not having a pre-season to work with the players he's since signed.

It's really harsh to judge him on these eight games alone. Naturally we're all disappointed and frustrated at how they've played out, but whether we like the bloke or we dislike him for cupping his ear, losing 1-0 home to Braintree, etc, we know he can build a squad with good characters and decent strikers.

Circumstances created by Fenty, Day, Holloway, etc means he's being made to work with one hand tied behind his back. I'm desperate for him to succeed because that'll mean we stay up.

I'm sure he's already looking back and wondering if he should have done certain things differently, but we as a club are bleeding badly and we just don't have enough plasters. We need a Jolley-esque turn-around now; not beyond the realms of possibility, but given that we've tried every single type of manager (young, old, ex-Premier League) and none of them have had any success, Hurst is realistically our best bet for this situation right now.

He might not save us, and he should take a slice of the blame given the amount of games he's had to turn it around, but let's keep the criticism of him fair and in the context of what's come before.

Isn't it fair to say that we are still playing shite and are in a worse position than when he came?

I blamed PH yesterday and still do to a degree but the players were awful all over the pitch. What has happened to Hendrie atm as he is a totally different player this season(lack of confidence?).
There was hardly any football played yesterday just hoofing. The only bright light was Morais when he came on. Should never have been left out. Ps what was Payne doing all game along with Coke and others. Utter garbage and I will be amazed if we escape. Peed off Mariner

Quoted from Vance Warner

The same people suggesting Payne being frustrated about going off are the same people complaining the players don’t care. I really don’t see how you think the January signings are worse than what they replaced. Do you want Green and Macca back or were you one of those slating them a month ago.

I think the January signings are no better than those they replaced because I can see it with my own eyes. The keeper is a huge upgrade, but if the others are better than their predecessors they better start showing it asap.

To be fair, I think the more pertinent question is why isn't Hurst getting a tune out of them?

Although I read the Fishy on a daily basis, I haven't posted for a long time, however following yesterdays ridiculous team selection, I find
even after more than 24 hours my annoyance and disbelief at the so called 'tactics' employed by our management team mean I have to comment.
I am sure we all hoped when Hurst was reappointed  (and following his success at Shrewsbury)  that this over analysing, over hyping of opponents had gone from his character, sadly it appears not, we totally changed the shape of our team, played an extra defender, leaving us with absolutely no attacking width and for what reason? Because Harrogate, a mediocre club in its first year in the FL have a couple of big players  and a long throw merchant, Insanity!  Perm any 4 of the 5 defenders selected and they have all played CB, another one was absolutely not needed.
Scrambling goalless draws at the likes of Harrogate will not save us from our likely relegation to the abyss, it's 3 points and 3 points on a regular basis that is needed and will only be achieved by a positive, proactive team selection, we currently have an enormous squad, ok
plenty of dross in it, but I cannot believe that yesterdays team was the best Hurst and Doig can come up with.
Time is very short for us. In 3 months time we could be non league again, so if it is to happen again let's at least say we had a proper , POSITIVE go at survival.
UTM

Quoted from malkamalka

Hadn't Holloway already started "dispiriting" the team, moving players on without telling them, dissing them in the media and saying he needed half a team in the window?

I said further, it was obvious that Holloway had upset the apple cart when the whole Mohsni nonsense happened. I still think Hurst has done worse than we would have with Holloway in charge. And I never wanted Holloway in, but did want Hurst.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I think the January signings are no better than those they replaced because I can see it with my own eyes. The keeper is a huge upgrade, but if the others are better than their predecessors they better start showing it asap.

To be fair, I think the more pertinent question is why isn't Hurst getting a tune out of them?

Normally I'm positive but this is the day after

Hi Ho
Hi Ho
It's out the league we go

If we have to go down, let's go down fighting!!

Like last time (lcop) ;)

Quoted from TAGG

Yesterday was one of the reasons I didn't want the bloke back, worrying more about what the opposition will do rather than concentrating on what we should be doing to win the game.

Having said that, he's here now so we have to support him and hope for the best.
If we are relegated I definitely don't want him in charge, it took him six years last time I don't want that again.

For now in PH we have to trust UTM

Said this last week and he did exactly the same again.
Set up his side on what the opposition do and not for us to try and win the game.

Come on Hurst, go out and try to win a game ye boring twit

Not one more!!

None.

This season's over now. The only hope is the National League folding. Whoever is the manager and whatever combination of players they pick in the remaining games it's inevitable we will end in the bottom two. I am 100% resigned to it.

I turned it off at half time and bought the stream for Notts County v King's Lynn instead. The quality of football on display was much better.

intercourse giving up our league status! Hurst’s has got to be gone tonight hopefully, he’s turned a full team of excrement into diarrhea! What does that do to a narcissist like Hurst? His head must rocking his position is untenable, it’s really not to late to bring in a fresh face that can motivate these lazy fornicators to actually perform and take pride in their profession.

I’ve seen teams come back from the dead with less than 10 games to go, we could do this don’t give up but there’s no way on Earth it will be with Hhrst.

I have said it before hapless and hopeless Holloway Hurst. Bad as each other, full of crap and blaming everything but himself. He should have the guts to resign NOW

The best we have played under Hurst, was the last 10 minutes of last night's game.

Please don't let him loose in the non-league for 6 years.

Has he gone yet? 🙏