The govt are paying their friends with our money to provide free school meals. The private firm providing them charge us £30 a box and provide the following -
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So the taxpayer is being charged to pay someone to drain water from tins of tuna, then dole it out in money bags (!), while the private firm pockets about £25 a meal.
Any Tory voter want to justify this, or are you too busy licking Boris’ boots?
I don't think any government either red or blue, should have got involved in providing free school meals out of term time.
It was obvious somebody would have to get the "meals" ready which then opens a whole new set of problems about the quality and quantity, quality control and all the rest.
Like a lot of older people, I have experienced first-hand extreme poverty, far worse than anything today (except in very exceptional cases) but every family made sure their children were fed, no matter what the hardship. Surely it is not unreasonable to feed your own children when they are not in school?
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, January 12, 2021, 1:06pm; Reply: 2
It’s just Marcus (I’m an MBE) Rashford making a song and dance out of a minority of cases. Look up how the meals business is sorted out. It is the school that chooses whether to take meals or vouchers in any case not the government.
Why you think it has to do with party politics I have absolutely no idea.
Posted by: Gaffer58, January 12, 2021, 2:52pm; Reply: 3
At my daughters school (she’s a teacher) a fair few of the parents wanted the voucher and not the food from the school, it was thought they could be exchanged for something stronger.
Posted by: codcheeky, January 12, 2021, 3:34pm; Reply: 4
Whether you believe in helping hungry kids or not you must agree anyone claiming that is a £30 bundle of food and charrging tax payers for it should be charged with deception. Surely the Government could have struck a deal with a supermarket chain for this with the help of a nutritionist rather than just pouring more money into a donors company That there is still a recognised need for free meals to help children is a sad indictment of how unequal this country still is, hungry kids don’t ever choose to be hungry, politicians who could do something about it choose to keep them hungry
Posted by: ginnywings, January 12, 2021, 4:18pm; Reply: 5
Whether you believe in helping hungry kids or not you must agree anyone claiming that is a £30 bundle of food and charrging tax payers for it should be charged with deception. Surely the Government could have struck a deal with a supermarket chain for this with the help of a nutritionist rather than just pouring more money into a donors company That there is still a recognised need for free meals to help children is a sad indictment of unequal this country still is, hungry kids don’t ever choose to be hungry, politicians who could do something about it choose to keep them hungry
This is the nub of it for me. It's disgusting that although we live in one of the richest nations on earth, kids are going hungry. If you think that is not political, then I don't know what is.
Wealth distribution is the key, but like America, we have a society where it's every man for himself, and the strong get there at the expense of the weak.
We could have a much fairer society, like a lot of countries in Western Europe, but no, let tall trees prosper seems to be our mantra.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, January 12, 2021, 4:26pm; Reply: 6
Whether you believe in helping hungry kids or not you must agree anyone claiming that is a £30 bundle of food and charrging tax payers for it should be charged with deception. Surely the Government could have struck a deal with a supermarket chain for this with the help of a nutritionist rather than just pouring more money into a donors company That there is still a recognised need for free meals to help children is a sad indictment of unequal this country still is, hungry kids don’t ever choose to be hungry, politicians who could do something about it choose to keep them hungry
Oh come on. Politicians are not responsible here. The company has done a decent job over thousands of FREE meals with few complaints. If some supermarket was involved I will bet this weeks pension that there would be some clever sod on Twitter showing that Tesco or whoever was using the scheme to get rid of sell by dated food. In fact there are probably less complaints than A school gets about dinners. Even then there is the small matter of the choice between vouchers and meals being in the hands of a school.
This is just the usual case of somebody finding a small issue they want to conflate into a huge Boris Bashing problem and ALL the fault of the government. If Starmer was in charge would the situation be different? Twitter would probably ban any criticism of him.
Posted by: Chrisblor, January 12, 2021, 7:20pm; Reply: 7
Oh come on. Politicians are not responsible here. The company has done a decent job over thousands of FREE meals with few complaints. If some supermarket was involved I will bet this weeks pension that there would be some clever sod on Twitter showing that Tesco or whoever was using the scheme to get rid of sell by dated food. In fact there are probably less complaints than A school gets about dinners. Even then there is the small matter of the choice between vouchers and meals being in the hands of a school.
This is just the usual case of somebody finding a small issue they want to conflate into a huge Boris Bashing problem and ALL the fault of the government. If Starmer was in charge would the situation be different? Twitter would probably ban any criticism of him.
This is one of the most mindbending things i've ever read. Yes you're absolutely right, the political party responsible for contracting out the provision of free school meal deliveries to a company that was until recently run by a donor to that particular political party are definitely not to blame for this fiasco. flipping hell, the state of some of the bootlickers on this message board blows my mind
This is one of the most mindbending things i've ever read. Yes you're absolutely right, the political party responsible for contracting out the provision of free school meal deliveries to a company that was until recently run by a donor to that particular political party are definitely not to blame for this fiasco. flipping hell, the state of some of the bootlickers on this message board blows my mind
This is the first case I have heard of. RRFC is correct to say there have been thousands of free school meals delivered without problems.
Of course the private sector are going to be the ones organising and delivering the meals; what is wrong with that, I thought the aim was to get free school dinners to kids who need them?
Posted by: ginnywings, January 12, 2021, 8:10pm; Reply: 9
Politicians that have been in power for over a decade are not responsible for childhood poverty.
I could easier believe that JF isnt responsible for the demise of GTFC.
Posted by: ska face, January 12, 2021, 9:23pm; Reply: 10
Even at its most base level, the tax payer is paying for £30 of food and we’re getting £5 worth while some suit pockets the rest. And STILL the usual boot lickers queue up to defend it.
Just weak beyond belief. What a pathetic, snivelling, cap-doffing mentality. And it’s these kids who suffer as a result.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, January 13, 2021, 3:06am; Reply: 11
It's disgusting. Dodgy procurement practice. Never mind whether or not you agree that kids should get free school meals*, it's just an appalling commercial deal.
The Tories are supposed to be the ones who look after the tax payers money. This present lot simply do not care. They are shafting the taxpayer. They are blatant about it. I hated the woman, but Maggie Thatcher would never have allowed this.
* Finland, for example, gives ALL kids a free meal every day. And a proper meal too, not a sarnie, a bag of crisps and a tangerine. GDP per capita comparable to our own, but more evenly distributed. Yet somehow they manage not to be an economic basket case.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, January 13, 2021, 11:01am; Reply: 12
Even at its most base level, the tax payer is paying for £30 of food and we’re getting £5 worth while some suit pockets the rest. And STILL the usual boot lickers queue up to defend it.
Just weak beyond belief. What a pathetic, snivelling, cap-doffing mentality. And it’s these kids who suffer as a result.
It is not a case of defending anything and calling people names just makes you look immature.
The ex-footballer Sir Marcus Rashford dived in straightaway over this pic on Twitter without having the grace to consider the full facts so of course it must be right. The most salient fact is that if people do not like the free box of food schools can issue a voucher instead. I just get the feeling that if some folks were given fish and chips for dinner they would complain on Twitter the salt and vinegar were off.
It is a mess, it is lousy procurement by somebody but it is easily fixed and hardly a national disaster. It is a distraction. The government rightly has more important matters to try and fix than a few boxes of food that the usual suspects are desperate to make political capital from.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 13, 2021, 11:20am; Reply: 13
It is not a case of defending anything and calling people names just makes you look immature.
The ex-footballer Sir Marcus Rashford dived in straightaway over this pic on Twitter without having the grace to consider the full facts so of course it must be right. The most salient fact is that if people do not like the free box of food schools can issue a voucher instead. I just get the feeling that if some folks were given fish and chips for dinner they would complain on Twitter the salt and vinegar were off.
It is a mess, it is lousy procurement by somebody but it is easily fixed and hardly a national disaster. It is a distraction. The government rightly has more important matters to try and fix than a few boxes of food that the usual suspects are desperate to make political capital from.
If that's the case, why are all and sundry profusely apologising and changing to a voucher system from next week?
Even Gavin Williamson said he was "absolutely disgusted" by what had been served up.
It was another outsourcing catastrophe by this government, that was rightly flagged up for what it was, namely some fecker making cash from the public purse yet again, while the people it was supposed to serve were left short changed.
This country, and especially this government, disgusts me more with each passing day.
Posted by: codcheeky, January 13, 2021, 11:40am; Reply: 14
It is not a case of defending anything and calling people names just makes you look immature.
The ex-footballer Sir Marcus Rashford dived in straightaway over this pic on Twitter without having the grace to consider the full facts so of course it must be right. The most salient fact is that if people do not like the free box of food schools can issue a voucher instead. I just get the feeling that if some folks were given fish and chips for dinner they would complain on Twitter the salt and vinegar were off.
It is a mess, it is lousy procurement by somebody but it is easily fixed and hardly a national disaster. It is a distraction. The government rightly has more important matters to try and fix than a few boxes of food that the usual suspects are desperate to make political capital from.
Even the Tory government have given up trying to defend this, hungry children is an important matter to many , the fact that we even have to have free meals to stop kids going hungry is abhorrent, it is a recognition that many do not get enough basic income to feed their families
Posted by: ska face, January 13, 2021, 12:01pm; Reply: 15
It is not a case of defending anything and calling people names just makes you look immature.
The ex-footballer Sir Marcus Rashford dived in straightaway over this pic on Twitter without having the grace to consider the full facts so of course it must be right. The most salient fact is that if people do not like the free box of food schools can issue a voucher instead. I just get the feeling that if some folks were given fish and chips for dinner they would complain on Twitter the salt and vinegar were off.
It is a mess, it is lousy procurement by somebody but it is easily fixed and hardly a national disaster. It is a distraction. The government rightly has more important matters to try and fix than a few boxes of food that the usual suspects are desperate to make political capital from.
You really are painfully dim.
This food is emblematic of exactly what is wrong with this country - absolutely EVERYTHING is up for grabs for those who want to make a profit, and it doesn’t matter from where that profit derives.
If it weren’t for people like Rashford, and those parents who have shown what they get in the boxes, children would STILL be receiving quartered onions or grated cheese in coin bags. The mealy mouthed apologies have already been issued and MPs are feigning indignation, but they all know the score - cut costs, maximise profit & benefit the shareholders. They got caught. Simple as that.
The pandemic has been an exercise in disaster capitalism, as OUR money has been siphoned off into private hands via test & trace, PPE, messaging, I even heard a firm involved in logistics for music festivals were given a contract for transporting bodies to mortuaries despite no previous experience in it. It’s a disgrace and I’m ashamed that I walk the same streets as anyone willing to defend it.
The state has been hollowed out for 40 years - energy, transport, local govt, healthcare and they’ve even now privatised child poverty. It’s disgusting. All this garbage about how the market leads to improvements in services is demonstrably untrue - ask anyone who travels by rail regularly.
It’s not a one-off or a few bad apples, it’s absolutely standard and social media has been awash with similar images for the past two days. You asked why it’s party political - well the country had the option of someone diametrically opposed to this kind of greed recently, but some people chose to stick with the status quo. It’s their responsibility.
We’ve all been told to pitch in, do our bit, come together etc etc, but where’s that spirit being replicated by the bent govt and their profiteering mates? They’re treating us all like mugs and YOU’RE letting them do it. The fukkers can’t even feed a small number of children without scamming us, these people are sick, absolutely sick.
The effects of child poverty are well known - children in poverty are more likely to suffer from mental health problems, chronic health problems and malnutrition later in life, and we’re all going to be picking up the tab later on. So why not just let these kids have some apples ffs?
As for Rashford’s MBE - he was given that by Boris to try and shut him up after he embarrassed the govt and shamed them into a u-turn before Xmas. Hasn’t worked though, and good on him.
Posted by: LH, January 13, 2021, 12:21pm; Reply: 16
The government rightly has more important matters to try and fix than a few boxes of food that the usual suspects are desperate to make political capital from.
The apolitical Marcus Rashford campaign trying to make political capital from an issue caused by companies getting a contract from a ruling political party allowing companies to make considerably financial capital.
Thank goodness we’ve got such a competent govt to sort the other issues. ::)
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, January 13, 2021, 2:25pm; Reply: 17
This food is emblematic of exactly what is wrong with this country - absolutely EVERYTHING is up for grabs for those who want to make a profit, and it doesn’t matter from where that profit derives.
If it weren’t for people like Rashford, and those parents who have shown what they get in the boxes, children would STILL be receiving quartered onions or grated cheese in coin bags. The mealy mouthed apologies have already been issued and MPs are feigning indignation, but they all know the score - cut costs, maximise profit & benefit the shareholders. They got caught. Simple as that.
The pandemic has been an exercise in disaster capitalism, as OUR money has been siphoned off into private hands via test & trace, PPE, messaging, I even heard a firm involved in logistics for music festivals were given a contract for transporting bodies to mortuaries despite no previous experience in it. It’s a disgrace and I’m ashamed that I walk the same streets as anyone willing to defend it.
The state has been hollowed out for 40 years - energy, transport, local govt, healthcare and they’ve even now privatised child poverty. It’s disgusting. All this garbage about how the market leads to improvements in services is demonstrably untrue - ask anyone who travels by rail regularly.
It’s not a one-off or a few bad apples, it’s absolutely standard and social media has been awash with similar images for the past two days. You asked why it’s party political - well the country had the option of someone diametrically opposed to this kind of greed recently, but some people chose to stick with the status quo. It’s their responsibility.
We’ve all been told to pitch in, do our bit, come together etc etc, but where’s that spirit being replicated by the bent govt and their profiteering mates? They’re treating us all like mugs and YOU’RE letting them do it. The fukkers can’t even feed a small number of children without scamming us, these people are sick, absolutely sick.
The effects of child poverty are well known - children in poverty are more likely to suffer from mental health problems, chronic health problems and malnutrition later in life, and we’re all going to be picking up the tab later on. So why not just let these kids have some apples ffs?
As for Rashford’s MBE - he was given that by Boris to try and shut him up after he embarrassed the govt and shamed them into a u-turn before Xmas. Hasn’t worked though, and good on him.
Do calm down and lighten up. Don't you realise you could give yourself a heart attack getting wound up like that and there are not many beds available in HDUs at the moment. ;)
In a few days time no doubt it will be revealed that some of the photos were staged, and the most vocal are Labour party activists trying to provide maximum discomfort to the government.
No doubt some of the food parcels are not ideal; why not just issue food vouchers to families who really need help and allow parents some choice?
Posted by: ska face, January 13, 2021, 4:21pm; Reply: 19
In a few days time no doubt it will be revealed that some of the photos were staged, and the most vocal are Labour party activists trying to provide maximum discomfort to the government.
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No doubt some of the food parcels are not ideal; why not just issue food vouchers to families who really need help and allow parents some choice?
Yeah, exactly.
Posted by: barralad, January 13, 2021, 4:48pm; Reply: 20
In a few days time no doubt it will be revealed that some of the photos were staged, and the most vocal are Labour party activists trying to provide maximum discomfort to the government.
No doubt some of the food parcels are not ideal; why not just issue food vouchers to families who really need help and allow parents some choice?
The reason the Government decided against food vouchers was that they bought into the rhetoric that the system would be abused and people would use them for items other than food. There may be some willing to chance it but they will be an insignificant minority. It's the same type of rhetoric that said back in the 80s that there was a significant problem with benefit tourism. Note the difference between the way the government has treated this issue and the issue of fraudulent claims for furlough money and fraudulent use of the "Eat out to help out". The Tories have always used a sledgehammer to crack a nut where any form of benefit is involved because they have no understanding of the issues involved. I spent some years of my early working life giving out vouchers to (usually) homeless people. Each voucher had the mantra "No tobacco, alcohol or fancy goods" printed across them. It worked. If they are bothered about people selling them then put a proof of identity clause into the voucher system. I don't class myself as a clever shopper but a voucher for £15 would yield a great deal more in terms of actual food than any of the pitiful offerings photographed recently.
Posted by: Gaffer58, January 13, 2021, 8:08pm; Reply: 21
Although in theory the buck stops with Boris, he assumes that those many highly paid executives that are put in place to run this type of thing are capable, but once again our useless civil service administrators have shown how useless they are. I am absolutely flabbergasted at how everyone you deal with in administration, whatever the subject matter is,are just tick boxers with no real expertise,unless it’s going to meetings.
Posted by: barralad, January 13, 2021, 8:31pm; Reply: 22
Although in theory the buck stops with Boris, he assumes that those many highly paid executives that are put in place to run this type of thing are capable, but once again our useless civil service administrators have shown how useless they are. I am absolutely flabbergasted at how everyone you deal with in administration, whatever the subject matter is,are just tick boxers with no real expertise,unless it’s going to meetings.
The levels of staff employed by government departments is controlled by the Government of the day. Over ten years of cuts have cut those staffing numbers beyond the bone. My former colleagues cleared a backlog of Universal Credit cases caused by an influx of nine times the normal number of claims at the start of the pandemic in six weeks. The public sector does a decent job in spite of their employers.
They showed the example of a mother with 2 kids. Beautiful home, beautifully decorated sitting room, beautiful kitchen in which to prepare good wholesome food. The mother was shown happily working in the kitchen so was able to prepare food herself.
All the trappings of 21st century living on show, big telly, kitchen full of appliances. Lovely.
I am not sure why she needs a free box of food basics though. She was well-fed, she has to cook for herself so why does she need a box of such limited basics as outlined in the government's information, to feed the children?
I thought the scheme was for the most disadvantaged children who were really struggling? The family obviously qualifies under the rules, but why? There are numerous welfare benefits for families to claim, so why would this particular family have free food parcels when the children are at home?
Surely able parents should feed their children when they are at home leaving more for those who really need help.
Not too long ago parents would have recoiled at having to accept free food to feed their own kids out of school time, but now some seem to wear it as a badge of honour.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, January 13, 2021, 8:40pm; Reply: 24
Although in theory the buck stops with Boris, he assumes that those many highly paid executives that are put in place to run this type of thing are capable, but once again our useless civil service administrators have shown how useless they are. I am absolutely flabbergasted at how everyone you deal with in administration, whatever the subject matter is,are just tick boxers with no real expertise,unless it’s going to meetings.
Believe me, if they were box tickers the contract would have been prepared properly and awarded properly. This smacks of someone cutting corners in the process. Much like Town’s recent problems with fines.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 13, 2021, 9:03pm; Reply: 25
They showed the example of a mother with 2 kids. Beautiful home, beautifully decorated sitting room, beautiful kitchen in which to prepare good wholesome food. The mother was shown happily working in the kitchen so was able to prepare food herself.
All the trappings of 21st century living on show, big telly, kitchen full of appliances. Lovely.
I am not sure why she needs a free box of food basics though. She was well-fed, she has to cook for herself so why does she need a box of such limited basics as outlined in the government's information, to feed the children?
I thought the scheme was for the most disadvantaged children who were really struggling? The family obviously qualifies under the rules, but why? There are numerous welfare benefits for families to claim, so why would this particular family have free food parcels when the children are at home?
Surely able parents should feed their children when they are at home leaving more for those who really need help.
Not too long ago parents would have recoiled at having to accept free food to feed their own kids out of school time, but now some seem to wear it as a badge of honour.
What did you expect?
Perhaps she should be in her back scullery, doing the washing in her dolly tub, while children afflicted with rickets sit eating bread and dripping.
Posted by: ska face, January 13, 2021, 9:56pm; Reply: 26
They showed the example of a mother with 2 kids. Beautiful home, beautifully decorated sitting room, beautiful kitchen in which to prepare good wholesome food. The mother was shown happily working in the kitchen so was able to prepare food herself.
All the trappings of 21st century living on show, big telly, kitchen full of appliances. Lovely.
I am not sure why she needs a free box of food basics though. She was well-fed, she has to cook for herself so why does she need a box of such limited basics as outlined in the government's information, to feed the children?
I thought the scheme was for the most disadvantaged children who were really struggling? The family obviously qualifies under the rules, but why? There are numerous welfare benefits for families to claim, so why would this particular family have free food parcels when the children are at home?
Surely able parents should feed their children when they are at home leaving more for those who really need help.
Not too long ago parents would have recoiled at having to accept free food to feed their own kids out of school time, but now some seem to wear it as a badge of honour.
It wasn’t two pages back you were bragging about knowing “ extreme poverty, far worse than anything today”, now you’re trying to shame people for the crime of being in the same position? Clown.
You know frig all about this woman’s circumstances - she may be one of 370,000 made redundant in the last year - but she must be eligible for one of the following:
Income Support Income-based Jobseeker's Allowance Income-related Employment and Support Allowance Support under Part VI of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 The guarantee element of Pension Credit Child Tax Credit (provided you’re not also entitled to Working Tax Credit and have an annual gross income of no more than £16,190) Working Tax Credit 'run-on' - the payment someone may receive for a further four weeks after they stop qualifying for Working Tax Credit Universal Credit - if you apply on or after 1 April 2018 your household income must be less than £7,400 a year (after tax and not including any benefits you get) at the time of your application.
Some countries see feeding their children as an investment in the future of the country, as well as a display of basic morals. Shame there’s so many spiteful, bitter old fukcs like yourself who are holding the country back. Stick to the 4 Yorkshiremen routine, Obadiah.
Posted by: barralad, January 13, 2021, 9:57pm; Reply: 27
Perhaps she should be in her back scullery, doing the washing in her dolly tub, while children afflicted with rickets sit eating bread and dripping.
It's not a laughing matter but I've just spat coffee all over my laptop at that response..
Posted by: KingstonMariner, January 13, 2021, 11:07pm; Reply: 28
Some people had it tough years ago so think others must suffer and mustn’t have it better than them. Some who had it tough are glad that there’s provision for others nowadays. It’s just a matter of choice how you want to look at life.
Posted by: Maringer, January 13, 2021, 11:25pm; Reply: 29
Personally, I'm surprised she hasn't just set up shop selling herself to pay for her children's food. Now that would be the sort of entrepreneurship a Tory would appreciate. Also, probably a storyline from Call The Midwife, but there you go.
Posted by: aldi_01, January 14, 2021, 6:09am; Reply: 30
It’s always interesting to see the old ‘well it was much tougher years ago, therefore they’ve no idea now’ type mantra.
Very odd indeed.
This scheme has been a joke and having been dealing with the free school meals situation my entire career, then at the start of the pandemic actually providing food/vouchers, believe me, there is nothing staged about those images.
This whole thing misses the point that people would rather argue and politicise the feeding of children over the ways some of these companies obtain their contracts. The double standards provided by such companies or, the sheer level of incompetence and fuckaboutery from the government.
At the start of the first lockdown, schools and education providers asked the question regarding free school meals and the like, took about a week for a response. This time around schools have essentially had to cobble something together whilst the government flounders once more.
If people want to argue whether or not we, as a nation want avoid feed children that’s a freedom of choice but in all seriousness if people do want to cry bottom because single mum Sharon has been given (5)30quidsworth of food instead of challenging the hundreds of millions handed out to chums and Tory benefactors for systems and trials that haven’t worked then crack on. I know which one I have a bigger issue with.
You just wait until the scandal regarding ‘free’ laptops emerges...
Once more, all this highlights is the sheer buffoonery from a government that doesn’t know its bottom from its elbow.
Since about October I’ve barely had the chance to sit with my staff team and discuss what we’re all in the establishment to do, teach. Alterations of guidance to justify government responses, alterations to ensure a government agenda is pushed through and so on...
Free school meals cost pennies in comparison to other projects that are useless and ineffective yet here we are debating the greed of others and the fact some folk simply don’t want to feed a few people whilst entering to the four Yorkshireman sketch...again, I was poorer than you.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 14, 2021, 7:43am; Reply: 31
I don't think any government either red or blue, should have got involved in providing free school meals out of term time.
It was obvious somebody would have to get the "meals" ready which then opens a whole new set of problems about the quality and quantity, quality control and all the rest.
Like a lot of older people, I have experienced first-hand extreme poverty, far worse than anything today (except in very exceptional cases) but every family made sure their children were fed, no matter what the hardship. Surely it is not unreasonable to feed your own children when they are not in school?
Firstly, that's utterly bullshido. If you think "back in the day" you experienced first-hand extreme poverty but everyone fed their children and everything was better and everybody had their priorities in order then you are either lying or you didn't experience or don't know what extreme poverty actually is. Children have and still go hungry. I happily suggest you do some research into poverty in this country (both historic and current). The Joseph Rowntree Foundation is probably a good starting point.
And I would politely remind you that this is term time. Children are still doing school work via online teaching or work packs with teacher support or a mix of the two.
And remember, the parent(s) of children on free school meals have seen their income disproportionately hit by the current mess. Last year those children claiming free school meals went up by 1 million. That should tell you that poverty is on the rise and this is a national crisis.
And this is a general rant...
It's funny how the gammon mob who complained about foreign aid and moaned "we should look after our own" have remained resolutely quiet and not got angry as "our own" children go hungry.
Millions of the most vulnerable have fallen through the cracks in this country for too long. We're heading into the worst recession this country will ever experience (due to the government's catastrophic handling of COVID & the self harm caused to our economy by Brexit). A lot of people who haven't given a damn about the poorest in our country and have lapped up the right-wing press' bile about them being "scroungers" and "dossers" are going to get a reality check and get to live in their world.
We have a government handing out huge contracts to their friends and donors without any sort of tendering process, often for services and sectors they have zero experience in, and some people are getting angry about the poorest children being given £15 a week so they can eat properly whilst learning from home.
We all pay tax. Every single person in this country. Be it PAYE, National Insurance, Council Tax, VAT etc... Paying tax is a social contract between government and the population. We pay taxes and in return we are looked after when we are in need. Back in 2010 I was ill to the point where I was admitted to hospital 6 times in 10 months and obviously I had a lot of time of work during that period. I received statutory sick pay, was able to claim a small amount of housing benefit to pay our rent and got a council tax deduction for the time I was unable to work. That isn't scrounging. I paid in to the system and when I was in need the system was their to support me and my family.
But we live in a country where the right-wing print media and their billionaire owners have indoctrinated a significant amount of people in this country that anybody claiming any sort of benefit is a parasite.
The system is broken. No one in our country should be going hungry. But that can't be fixed today or in the short term. But today children all over the country are going hungry. And that can be relieved immediately by giving £15 a week per schoolchild to the parent of these children to help them provide a decent meal every day.
Now then all you SJW's who are quite happy to accept "Tory Vermin" as the title of a post but quite unable to get anything into perspective.
Growing up in the 1950's off Victor Street in grinding, relentless poverty, today's struggles are a tea party in comparison.
No bathroom, no kitchen, cold water only, outside loo, 2 up 2 down one coal fire. Clearing ice from the inside of the windows. The sort of thing that you lot only read about in books. Next door had cockroaches for a carpet and going to the corner shop down the passageway you had to take a broom handle to fend off the rats. We had to clear the spiders out of the outside loo before we could sit on a bloody bench with a hole in it.
I can assure you that today seeing somebody moaning about the quality of a "food parcel" in a home that was good even by today's standards sticks in the craw somewhat.
It doesn't matter how poor we were, parents fed their children. If you can't feed your children, don't have them.
Posted by: ska face, January 14, 2021, 10:53am; Reply: 33
And your advice for the 370,000 people who have been made redundant just in the last year is...what?
Go back in time and not have children?
As for people not having children, you might start to regret that view as you realise the UK’s ageing population is going to be absolutely poked in a few years when those in work are outnumbered by a bloated, highly dependent population of those not paying into the pot they rely on.
Where’s the money going to come from to cater for OAPs then? That’s right, out of the savings they’ve built up.
So for the sake of a few apples and a slice of ham now, the whole country could benefit in 10, 20, 30 years time.
Posted by: codcheeky, January 14, 2021, 11:43am; Reply: 34
Now then all you SJW's who are quite happy to accept "Tory Vermin" as the title of a post but quite unable to get anything into perspective.
Growing up in the 1950's off Victor Street in grinding, relentless poverty, today's struggles are a tea party in comparison.
No bathroom, no kitchen, cold water only, outside loo, 2 up 2 down one coal fire. Clearing ice from the inside of the windows. The sort of thing that you lot only read about in books. Next door had cockroaches for a carpet and going to the corner shop down the passageway you had to take a broom handle to fend off the rats. We had to clear the spiders out of the outside loo before we could sit on a bloody bench with a hole in it.
I can assure you that today seeing somebody moaning about the quality of a "food parcel" in a home that was good even by today's standards sticks in the craw somewhat.
It doesn't how poor we were, parents fed their children. If you can't feed your children, don't have them.
You come across as a man who would be pleased to see the return to these conditions for anyone unfortunate enough to lose their job, suffer disability or mental illness, let their kids suffer and stop moaning about it is your mantra . You think there is nothing wrong than in companies stealing money from the poorest children in society to boost profits and bonuses for the richest? This Tory government has not only allowed this but encouraged it and is surprised that there is backlash. I was born very close to the same area with our house demolished around 1970, I don’t think that gives me the right to say other kids must suffer. If we are not trying to build a better country for all the people in this country not just the wealthiest what is the point . You epitomise the greedy and selfish attitude that is making our country an ugly place. Perhaps a society should be judged on how we treat the least fortunate, poverty is growing, society is failing too many. You are lucky to have lived in a time when conditions, health and life opportunities improved fantastically yet you seem to want worse for your grandkids children who could just as easily be laid off or only get a zero hours contract or heaven forbid be born with a disability. Do you honestly think starving kids into malnutrition will benefit this country in any way? Do you honestly believe people promised £30 food parcels should be given a bundle worth a fiver and there should be nothing said? The company supplying this should be kicked off all future government contracts and made to pay the difference back
Posted by: ginnywings, January 14, 2021, 12:39pm; Reply: 35
Think a lot of us have got stories of growing up in a terrace house with not a lot of money. I could tell some poverty stories too, but what's the point? Things were more neighbourly then and there was always someone who'd lend you a few bob until payday, or give you a bit of food to tide you over.
We don't know what this woman's situation is. She may have had a well paid job until the pandemic struck, or any of multiple reasons why she needs food to feed her kids. Having a nice house is not a crime FFS.
I really despair sometimes at the gross disparities in our society, especially when you see how some other wealthy nations treat their citizens in more enlightened countries. Why do people keep voting for these self serving, selfish, greedy fookers?
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 14, 2021, 1:05pm; Reply: 36
I think some people (fuelled by the right wing print media) have a distorted view of what the welfare state is and how it works.
Coincidentally James O’Brien on LBC summed it up brilliantly earlier when talking about the NHS.
People contribute based on how much they have and receive back based on what they need.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, January 14, 2021, 1:22pm; Reply: 37
Golly, you made a very good point when “ who complained about foreign aid and moaned "we should look after our own" have remained resolutely quiet and not got angry as "our own" children go hungry.”
We were also told that we will have an extra £350 million a week to spend on our own people when we pulled out of the EU. Again, the usual suspects have conveniently forgotten this.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 14, 2021, 3:40pm; Reply: 38
Golly, you made a very good point when “ who complained about foreign aid and moaned "we should look after our own" have remained resolutely quiet and not got angry as "our own" children go hungry.”
We were also told that we will have an extra £350 million a week to spend on our own people when we pulled out of the EU. Again, the usual suspects have conveniently forgotten this.
Re: EU...
I've read & heard some hilarious anecdotes on twitter and on radio from Brexit voting people who live on the continent during winter months and have been accessing English Football through their Sky Go accounts and are now furious that since 1st January UK customers could no longer watch football on continent as we are no longer part of the EU and therefore are excluded from the scheme that allows EU citizens to still receive their pay TV subscriptions in other EU countries. #ProjectFear
Posted by: Chrisblor, January 14, 2021, 4:09pm; Reply: 39
Hey look at this, all the Tories 'levelling up the North' promises from the last general election? Turns out they were load of lies (as many of us told this message board's Tory supporting posters they would be) - https://www.ft.com/content/2c22f6b7-a73a-411b-8b27-2b21db4006bc
Posted by: Stadium, January 14, 2021, 6:01pm; Reply: 40
Now then all you SJW's who are quite happy to accept "Tory Vermin" as the title of a post but quite unable to get anything into perspective.
Growing up in the 1950's off Victor Street in grinding, relentless poverty, today's struggles are a tea party in comparison.
No bathroom, no kitchen, cold water only, outside loo, 2 up 2 down one coal fire. Clearing ice from the inside of the windows. The sort of thing that you lot only read about in books. Next door had cockroaches for a carpet and going to the corner shop down the passageway you had to take a broom handle to fend off the rats. We had to clear the spiders out of the outside loo before we could sit on a bloody bench with a hole in it.
I can assure you that today seeing somebody moaning about the quality of a "food parcel" in a home that was good even by today's standards sticks in the craw somewhat.
It doesn't matter how poor we were, parents fed their children. If you can't feed your children, don't have them.
Embarrassing but not surprising by somebody who backed Dominic Mckenzie Cummings last year.
Posted by: Maringer, January 14, 2021, 11:38pm; Reply: 41
Great rant, Golly. Very eloquent as well. Needless to say, I agree with every word.
The lack of humanity on display on this forum at times is very depressing.
Posted by: aldi_01, January 15, 2021, 6:00am; Reply: 42
It’s concerning as well that using the phrases ‘Willy liberal’, ‘looney lefty’ or ‘social justice warrior’ are regarded as derogatory, what an odd outlook, by many, not just folk on here.
It’s about opinions and so it should be, but I agree, the lack of humility is alarming. An idea that Because we had it bad way back when then families now don’t know they’re born. Your circumstance is judged on what you have not what you had, very peculiar.
Also a little confusing when you think about it, many folk who are seemingly against using a few quid to feed folk, often sit on the side of politics which is considerably more conservative, Brexit voters and bemoan immigration like it’s the scourge of everything. The very people who pedalled this idea that the UK was better before the EU and that all things were rosey...then in the next breath talk about an apparent mass poverty, where people didn’t have a pot to urine in and they drew laces on their feet to pretend they had shoes...I mean that sounds amazing. Quick let’s hark back and go back to those times? Confusing.
You can truly judge a nation on how well it supports and guides its vulnerable, poorest and elderly...currently, given we’re talking about free school meals/education, the government is Inadequate and should be placed in special measures.
Arguing that children shouldn’t be given food, that a minute amount in the grand schemes of things, especially in a country that spent well over a billion quid on disastrous system designed to keep folk safe seems crass and grotesque.
Good God, this thread reads like a Guardian bingo card.
All the usual derogatory and hyperbolic phrases are here in abundance because someone takes the extreme view that the first rule of parenting is to feed your own children when they are not at school.
This simple act of feeding your own children did indeed happen in the past, whilst parents were suffering extreme hardships whilst recovering from the horrors of World war 2. Today it seems rather more important that my free food parcel isn't as enticing as I expected.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 15, 2021, 10:48am; Reply: 44
Good God, this thread reads like a Guardian bingo card.
All the usual derogatory and hyperbolic phrases are here in abundance because someone takes the extreme view that the first rule of parenting is to feed your own children when they are not at school.
This simple act of feeding your own children did indeed happen in the past, whilst parents were suffering extreme hardships whilst recovering from the horrors of World war 2. Today it seems rather more important that my free food parcel isn't as enticing as I expected.
Sorry, but you're wrong. Do some research. Remember the plural of anecdote isn't data.
Posted by: Rick12, January 15, 2021, 12:34pm; Reply: 45
Sorry, but you're wrong. Do some research. Remember the plural of anecdote isn't data.
By and large I think Lew has a point .Admittedly in some cases its not always the woman's fault eg man runs off leaving the women struggling. The brilliant film "Angela's Ashes" reflects that in 1940s Ireland.
Some take the mick out of the system .Hence some people claim they cant work because they have panic attacks etc . Iam sorry but this dont cut it .In many country's around the world the authorities wouldn't accept it and these people would have no alterative but to work and look after the children they have brought into this world.
Likewise having spoken to people in the services eg army/police they also testify to this. Some take the mick out of this county's good will and put nothing back in the kitty by way of tax .Think of drug addicts and the like . Certainly some things should get tougher and certain people albeit the minority should get of their bums and not let the nanny state take over.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 15, 2021, 12:40pm; Reply: 46
But we live in a country where the right-wing print media and their billionaire owners have indoctrinated a significant amount of people in this country that anybody claiming any sort of benefit is a parasite.
By and large I think Lew has a point .Admittedly in some cases its not always the woman's fault eg man runs off leaving the women struggling. The brilliant film "Angela's Ashes" reflects that in 1940s Ireland.
Some take the mick out of the system .Hence some people claim they cant work because they have panic attacks etc . Iam sorry but this dont cut it .In many country's around the world the authorities wouldn't accept it and these people would have no alterative but to work and look after the children they have brought into this world.
Likewise having spoken to people in the services eg army/police they also testify to this. Some take the mick out of this county's good will and put nothing back in the kitty by way of tax .Think of drug addicts and the like . Certainly some things should get tougher and certain people albeit the minority should get of their bums and not let the nanny state take over.
Need I say more?
Posted by: ginnywings, January 15, 2021, 12:43pm; Reply: 47
Thing is Golly Iam not influenced by right wing media more by nature documentary's. First rule of thumb is you make the effort to look after your offspring. Some and again its the minority see this as an escape clause to get of lifting their bums in the morning and working.
Its like anything in life a few will always choose the easy/lazy path. This is where government needs to get tougher.
Some take the mick out of the system .Hence some people claim they cant work because they have panic attacks etc . Iam sorry but this dont cut it .In many country's around the world the authorities wouldn't accept it and these people would have no alterative but to work and look after the children they have brought into this world.
Big flipping deal - the percentage of people fraudulently claiming benefits is hilariously small, like under 1% of the overall welfare budget, and the overall amount of money 'lost' in this way is a pittance compared to the money the government spaffs away on dodgy contracts offered out to Conservative party donors - https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/31/2020-spotlight-the-great-procurement-scandal/
We're a rich country, we can afford to deal with a tiny number of cases of benefit fraud to ensure all kids in the country are properly fed. Stop focusing on the tiny number of fraudulent edge cases and building your argument around it instead of looking at the wider government spending picture which involves much larger sums of 'taxpayers money' being covertly shuffled off to tory party cronies with barely a peep from people like you or the press.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 15, 2021, 12:58pm; Reply: 50
Not very forgiving either from someone who purports to be religious.
It's all the right wing print media (and now government) have. Making someone the enemy and attributing all the country's problems to them.
People on benefits Immigrants Muslims The EU Single Parents The sick The disabled People with mental health issues Hungry Children
But I blame the liars. Not the gullible people who take in the lies.
The government are doing it now. Subtly sowing the seeds so that "the people" will blame each other for the COVID death-rate and not Johnson & his government for their shambolic response to the on going emergency.
Posted by: Rick12, January 15, 2021, 1:00pm; Reply: 51
Big flipping deal - the percentage of people fraudulently claiming benefits is hilariously small, like under 1% of the overall welfare budget, and the overall amount of money 'lost' in this way is a pittance compared to the money the government spaffs away on dodgy contracts offered out to Conservative party donors - https://bylinetimes.com/2020/12/31/2020-spotlight-the-great-procurement-scandal/
We're a rich country, we can afford to deal with a tiny number of cases of benefit fraud to ensure all kids in the country are properly fed. Stop focusing on the tiny number of fraudulent edge cases and building your argument around it instead of looking at the wider government spending picture which involves much larger sums of 'taxpayers money' being covertly shuffled off to tory party cronies with barely a peep from people like you or the press.
Ive a feeling benefit fraud maybe a bit higher than that Chris.
Iam not that into politics but I take on board what your saying with the Tory party. Discrepancies need to be ironed out. Iam sure though there are issues in every party that could improve though. Hence nothing in this life will ever be perfect.
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, January 15, 2021, 1:01pm; Reply: 52
Thing is Golly Iam not influenced by right wing media more by nature documentary's. First rule of thumb is you make the effort to look after your offspring. Some and again its the minority see this as an escape clause to get of lifting their bums in the morning and working.
Its like anything in life a few will always choose the easy/lazy path. This is where government needs to get tougher.
Its natural law though Ginny .Thats where the real answers lie. Sometimes in life you need to be hard or some will walk all over you.
I've tried to be tolerant of a lot of the quasi-religious drivel you post but to follow that all up with 'survival of the fittest' when talking about hungry kids is pretty bizarre.
Some people probably do play the system, some parents aren't very good at looking after their kids but that doesn't mean a civilised, wealthy society should shrug its shoulders and leave the kids hungry. It doesn't mean it's true of everybody either. There is no need for some people to have billions of pounds they could never spend while others get their universal credit cut.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 15, 2021, 1:02pm; Reply: 53
Ive a feeling benefit fraud maybe a bit higher than that Chris.
Iam not that into politics but I take on board what your saying with the Tory party. Discrepancies need to be ironed out. Iam sure though there are issues in every party that could improve though. Hence nothing in this life will ever be perfect.
You have a "feeling".
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 15, 2021, 1:06pm; Reply: 54
Ive a feeling benefit fraud maybe a bit higher than that Chris.
Iam not that into politics but I take on board what your saying with the Tory party. Discrepancies need to be ironed out. Iam sure though there are issues in every party that could improve though. Hence nothing in this life will ever be perfect.
I've tried to be tolerant of a lot of the quasi-religious drivel you post but to follow that all up with 'survival of the fittest' when talking about hungry kids is pretty bizarre. .
Its not quasi -religious drivel though but facts Rodley .Your missing the deeper picture.
I believe something divine caused the big bang. Even the renowned scientist Richard Dawkins claims he leaves some room for "God" the unknown if you like albeit small.
Nature was here before all of us and Abraham the patriarch of the three Abrahamic faiths tried to understand that . Jesus just followed on from that and refined it.
Some people probably do play the system, some parents aren't very good at looking after their kids but that doesn't mean a civilised, wealthy society should shrug its shoulders and leave the kids hungry. It doesn't mean it's true of everybody either. There is no need for some people to have billions of pounds they could never spend while others get their universal credit cut.
I have heard a lot about "right-wing media" blah blah, but not so much about Tory hating posters who, for example, might start a thread titled "Tory Vermin" and by association anybody who disagrees with posters of that ilk.
The thought bubble that everyone has to be a hand wringing liberal, completely unable to accept that most people care for themselves perfectly well without the nanny state holding their hand every step of the way, even if they are poor is ridiculous.
The idea that free school meals are provided to pupils in need in term time is fine as they are not at home; the idea that has to be extended out of school, despite what Marcus Rashford says, is absurd. Parents have a responsibility to their children, full stop. They have a duty to provide them with adequate nutrition, even if they are poor. What sort of society is it where parents cannot put themselves out for the good of their own children? Even when it is provided we then get the predictable reaction of its not good enough.
We have safety nets to make sure anybody who is unable to provide for their children is helped, but if we keep extending help to cover every possibility it will create ever more dependency on the state which is not good for society.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 15, 2021, 1:35pm; Reply: 57
Here's some figures to consider...
In 2017 the UK's entire welfare spend was £264 billion.
Old Age Pensions accounted for 42% of that or £111 billion
Unemployment benefit (you know, that those work shy scoungers claim) was less than 1% at around £2 billion.
From the government website...
For 2018-19 the government's benefit fraud figure was £2.3 billion (1.2%)
This is inflated however as £1.35 billion of that is from the tax credit system and that figure includes both "Fraud" and "Error".
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 15, 2021, 1:57pm; Reply: 58
I have heard a lot about "right-wing media" blah blah, but not so much about Tory hating posters who, for example, might start a thread titled "Tory Vermin" and by association anybody who disagrees with posters of that ilk.
The thought bubble that everyone has to be a hand wringing liberal, completely unable to accept that most people care for themselves perfectly well without the nanny state holding their hand every step of the way, even if they are poor is ridiculous.
The idea that free school meals are provided to pupils in need in term time is fine as they are not at home; the idea that has to be extended out of school, despite what Marcus Rashford says, is absurd. Parents have a responsibility to their children, full stop. They have a duty to provide them with adequate nutrition, even if they are poor. What sort of society is it where parents cannot put themselves out for the good of their own children? Even when it is provided we then get the predictable reaction of its not good enough.
We have safety nets to make sure anybody who is unable to provide for their children is helped, but if we keep extending help to cover every possibility it will create ever more dependency on the state which is not good for society.
And here's another tactic. When they are called out for what they are they cry about being called a name (in this case vermin) and make themselves the victim and not the hungry children they have sent into abject poverty who need feeding.
In 2009-10 (end of last Labour goverment) the Trussell Trust handed out 41,000 food parcels from their food banks. In 2016-17 they handed out 1.2 million food parcels. In the last full year (2019-20) they handed out 1.9 million food parcels. In the first 6 months of the current (2020-21) reporting year (April to September) they handed out 1,239,399 food parcels.
There is a national food poverty crisis happening right now. That isn't because parents don't have their priorities in order. An extra 1 million children claiming free school meals in 2020 than in 2019. But you think that's the parents fault.
I wouldn't use a term like vermin myself, but I fully understand why some people would use that to describe the Tories having overseen the rise of food poverty in this country over the past 10 years or so.
No, actual I would. The Tories are f***ing scum. Any person who would see a single child go hungry is scum.
Maybe you should be asking why in the 5th richest country in the world we have an ever increasing amount of people falling through the cracks into poverty?
But no, lets blame the people who find themselves in poverty for them being there.
Posted by: Humbercod, January 15, 2021, 2:07pm; Reply: 59
I have heard a lot about "right-wing media" blah blah, but not so much about Tory hating posters who, for example, might start a thread titled "Tory Vermin" and by association anybody who disagrees with posters of that ilk.
The thought bubble that everyone has to be a hand wringing liberal, completely unable to accept that most people care for themselves perfectly well without the nanny state holding their hand every step of the way, even if they are poor is ridiculous.
The idea that free school meals are provided to pupils in need in term time is fine as they are not at home; the idea that has to be extended out of school, despite what Marcus Rashford says, is absurd. Parents have a responsibility to their children, full stop. They have a duty to provide them with adequate nutrition, even if they are poor. What sort of society is it where parents cannot put themselves out for the good of their own children? Even when it is provided we then get the predictable reaction of its not good enough.
We have safety nets to make sure anybody who is unable to provide for their children is helped, but if we keep extending help to cover every possibility it will create ever more dependency on the state which is not good for society.
Absolutely correct. Sometimes I almost wish that someone like Corbyn would get in with a massive majority, just so the left could experience this free for all utopia.
Taken from a Twitter post -
“ Things I don’t have - expensive games console, cigarettes, designer clothes, latest music cds etc.
Things I do have - kids with food on their plates, clothes on their backs and respect for others.
Priorities and morals go a long way”.
Just a hunch but if we could include subjects based on priorities and morals in the school curriculum then maybe society would be in a different place.
Posted by: Chrisblor, January 15, 2021, 2:21pm; Reply: 60
Absolutely correct. Sometimes I almost wish that someone like Corbyn would get in with a massive majority, just so the left could experience this free for all utopia.
Taken from a Twitter post -
“ Things I don’t have - expensive games console, cigarettes, designer clothes, latest music cds etc.
Things I do have - kids with food on their plates, clothes on their backs and respect for others.
Priorities and morals go a long way”.
Just a hunch but if we could include subjects based on priorities and morals in the school curriculum then maybe society would be in a different place.
Yeah it'd be flipping great (providing he didn't get couped 5 minutes after walking into downing street) cos selfish Tory enabling arseholes would finally realise there is actually a viable and far more equitable way of running the country that isn't based around letting kids go hungry to satisfy a bunch of "I'm alright Jack" tossers who are apparently more concerned about people calling them rude names on the internet than malnourished children.
Posted by: Sandford1981, January 15, 2021, 2:21pm; Reply: 61
The rights and wrongs of this could be debated indefinitely.
My take (for what it’s worth) is this -
Parents have a choice and children do not. If there are children going hungry they absolutely need to be fed and if that means our government stepping in, then so be it.
All the rest of it, is just noise to me, of course in an ideal world parents should be able to support their children and themselves but we do not live in a perfect world. The demonisation of all benefit claimants because of the few that abuse the system is illogical.
I have previously worked for the jobcentre, DWP and in the welfare to work sector for many years in various roles and in my personal experience the picture painted in the media is very different to the harsh reality many people face. Of course sensationalist headlines sell papers and get clicks I get that.
Posted by: ska face, January 15, 2021, 2:51pm; Reply: 62
Just to clarify for those complaining about being labelled “vermin” - I would like to apologise, this is not entirely accurate.
Anyone defending children being starved so some scumbag can make a profit from the taxpayers is, in fact, lower than vermin.
If you don’t like the label, get better opinions.
Posted by: Rick12, January 15, 2021, 3:12pm; Reply: 63
Anyone defending children being starved so some scumbag can make a profit from the taxpayers is, in fact, lower than vermin.
Too often though Ska Face and Ive worked in youth offending services its the children that suffer. Certain parents have offspring and dont look after them getting drunk/high on drugs. Social welfare takes over eg fostered/adoption if their lucky and this often creates a mindset where children are traumatised for their rest of their lives. Those in care for instance have a higher chance of going to prison/fail in school and the emotional pain that comes with knowing parents that haven't looked after them. My best friend was one such case.
Your right in the sense that government shouldn't fail these children but by the same token parents who have brought these children into this world should be held more accountable as well. Some pay nothing in child welfare claiming they cant work on the grounds of mental health problems and this is where things need to change. Community service or something of that ilk should be introduced as otherwise some will never learn. In other countries for instance if the dad dont look after the child wider family members come and beat that person up. Bit extreme I know but highlights the need that this country is a bit soft in some areas.
Posted by: Humbercod, January 15, 2021, 4:21pm; Reply: 64
I’ve said it before good parents don’t let their kids go hungry. But if families do need a helping hand out there it’s those hard working families on low pay, working 40/50 hours a week for less than those on Benefits.
No able body person should ever be better off on benefits then those working.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 15, 2021, 4:51pm; Reply: 65
I’ve said it before good parents don’t let their kids go hungry. But if families do need a helping hand out there it’s those hard working families on low pay, working 40/50 hours a week for less than those on Benefits.
No able body person should ever be better off on benefits then those working.
They’re not. Don’t believe everything you read in the Daily Mail/Express.
This thread has gone from discussing the merits of a food parcel, and the contents thereof, to evil Tories STARVING kids.
No wonder the left is a laughing stock.
But nobody is laughing at the left, most people are puzzled and confused at how shambolic the current cabinet is. If people are still laughing at Labour rather than worrying about hundreds of millions being handed to the chums of tories, the social injustice in the uk, the embarrassing way we left Europe and screwed over everyone but themselves then they probably need to prioritise.
It’s also bewildering how little people really understand the welfare system.
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, January 15, 2021, 6:31pm; Reply: 69
This thread has gone from discussing the merits of a food parcel, and the contents thereof, to evil Tories STARVING kids.
No wonder the left is a laughing stock.
Nice diversion tactics once again. Your obsession burns brightly. Did you say you were a floating voter??........................ I'm just waiting for the "it would be worse under Labour"
Posted by: Humbercod, January 15, 2021, 6:41pm; Reply: 71
So when all benefits are totted up I can guess (without looking) it’s at least around 25k! some working families won’t get anywhere near this.
Wrong. The benefit cap is £20,000 outside London for couples or single people with children & £13,400 for single people. That cap includes the following benefits...
Universal Credit Bereavement Allowance Child Benefit Child Tax Credit Employment and Support Allowance Housing Benefit Incapacity Benefit Income Support Jobseeker’s Allowance Maternity Allowance Severe Disablement Allowance Widowed Parent’s Allowance (or Widowed Mother’s Allowance or Widow’s Pension if you started getting it before 9 April 2001).
There is no way in the world any unemployed person gets more than a person in work.
Posted by: Maringer, January 15, 2021, 11:55pm; Reply: 73
This thread has gone from discussing the merits of a food parcel, and the contents thereof, to evil Tories STARVING kids.
No wonder the left is a laughing stock.
Feel free to add something useful to the debate. Some data or facts which back up your arguments. As far as I can tell from a brief scan through the thread this evening, the laughable lefties seem to have the temerity to base their arguments on evidence rather than feelings or anecdotes. Facts aren't just a left-wing thing, I'm sure.
Posted by: Humbercod, January 15, 2021, 11:58pm; Reply: 74
Wrong. The benefit cap is £20,000 outside London for couples or single people with children & £13,400 for single people. That cap includes the following benefits...
Universal Credit Bereavement Allowance Child Benefit Child Tax Credit Employment and Support Allowance Housing Benefit Incapacity Benefit Income Support Jobseeker’s Allowance Maternity Allowance Severe Disablement Allowance Widowed Parent’s Allowance (or Widowed Mother’s Allowance or Widow’s Pension if you started getting it before 9 April 2001).
There is no way in the world any unemployed person gets more than a person in work.
It was only a guess! Big respect for the Tory’s then who we have to thank for clamping down on the welfare abuse and rightly putting a cap on it, so pre- 2014 I would of been more than correct when you think that outrageously there was no limit!
The minimum wage wouldn’t total a salary of 20k though would it? Throw in free school meals, discretionary housing payments, free dental, free prescriptions, free early education (cost me a bomb) free cold weather payments, oh and council tax, best we dont leave out this little expenditure for those that have to work ... oh look must be getting on for around 25k now! Just need Marcus Rashford to demand free gas and and electric now and then I’m jacking my job in👍
Posted by: codcheeky, January 16, 2021, 8:56am; Reply: 75
It was only a guess! Big respect for the Tory’s then who we have to thank for clamping down on the welfare abuse and rightly putting a cap on it, so pre- 2014 I would of been more than correct when you think that outrageously there was no limit!
The minimum wage wouldn’t total a salary of 20k though would it? Throw in free school meals, discretionary housing payments, free dental, free prescriptions, free early education (cost me a bomb) free cold weather payments, oh and council tax, best we dont leave out this little expenditure for those that have to work ... oh look must be getting on for around 25k now! Just need Marcus Rashford to demand free gas and and electric now and then I’m jacking my job in👍
Perhaps you should “Jack” your job in and try it for a year, you will very soon change your tune, or not. then you can come on with actual real life experience instead of believing a load of bullshit. Save up enough to get yourself and family by for the first six weeks and get rid of any savings and I’m sure you will find it plain sailing
Posted by: Humbercod, January 16, 2021, 9:33am; Reply: 76
Perhaps you should “Jack” your job in and try it for a year, you will very soon change your tune, or not. then you can come on with actual real life experience instead of believing a load of bullshit. Save up enough to get yourself and family by for the first six weeks and get rid of any savings and I’m sure you will find it plain sailing
I’ve been there, I know people there, as well as people on the minimum wage, its not easy! I was pointing out the absurdity when tinkering with socialism.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 16, 2021, 9:48am; Reply: 77
The minimum wage wouldn’t total a salary of 20k though would it?
No, but people on minimum wage can also claim all the above benefits to top up what they earn.
For example, 3 children is £48.95 per week or £2.545.40 per year in child benefit. Every single parent (even millionaires) are entitled to that.
Then there's tax credits. A single parent working 40 hours on national minimum wage (approx. £18,000 per year) will receive in the region of £780 per 4 weeks or £10,140 per year in Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits.
So if we combine the above (a single parent with 3 children) that's £18,000 wages + £10,140 tax credits + £2,545 child benefit.
So that's over £30,000 before we add in other benefits that they might be able to claim.
But yeah, the unemployed person who's capped at £20,000 (but in most cases receives a lot less than that) earns so much more than a person working on national minimum wage don't they?
Don't believe everything you read in the (insert right wing newspaper here)!
Posted by: barralad, January 16, 2021, 12:10pm; Reply: 78
It was only a guess! Big respect for the Tory’s then who we have to thank for clamping down on the welfare abuse and rightly putting a cap on it, so pre- 2014 I would of been more than correct when you think that outrageously there was no limit!
The minimum wage wouldn’t total a salary of 20k though would it? Throw in free school meals, discretionary housing payments, free dental, free prescriptions, free early education (cost me a bomb) free cold weather payments, oh and council tax, best we dont leave out this little expenditure for those that have to work ... oh look must be getting on for around 25k now! Just need Marcus Rashford to demand free gas and and electric now and then I’m jacking my job in👍
If only the Tories had shown the same enthusiasm for clamping down on tax fraud. Perhaps you could answer a question. Why do the right wing press as epitomised by The Mail the Sun and of course The Express launch campaign after campaign about so called benefit fraud yet are silent on the far bigger issue of tax fraud and avoidance?
Posted by: Humbercod, January 16, 2021, 8:52pm; Reply: 79
No, but people on minimum wage can also claim all the above benefits to top up what they earn.
For example, 3 children is £48.95 per week or £2.545.40 per year in child benefit. Every single parent (even millionaires) are entitled to that.
Then there's tax credits. A single parent working 40 hours on national minimum wage (approx. £18,000 per year) will receive in the region of £780 per 4 weeks or £10,140 per year in Child Tax Credits and Working Tax Credits.
So if we combine the above (a single parent with 3 children) that's £18,000 wages + £10,140 tax credits + £2,545 child benefit.
So that's over £30,000 before we add in other benefits that they might be able to claim.
But yeah, the unemployed person who's capped at £20,000 (but in most cases receives a lot less than that) earns so much more than a person working on national minimum wage don't they?
Don't believe everything you read in the (insert right wing newspaper here)!
I’m not being funny but are you sure your figures are 100%? Wasn’t there a cap of 2 children for a start? Secondly I’m sure tax credit are for those working less than 16hours? And I’m no millionaire but I know from experience once you earn a certain amount then you have to pay back the child benefit.
Just spoke to a family member (no children) on minimum wage working in care, and she’s just confirmed the only extra that she receives is a 25% reduction on her council tax. Accommodation is a shared house and she receives no help with rent etc.
Posted by: Humbercod, January 16, 2021, 8:59pm; Reply: 80
If only the Tories had shown the same enthusiasm for clamping down on tax fraud. Perhaps you could answer a question. Why do the right wing press as epitomised by The Mail the Sun and of course The Express launch campaign after campaign about so called benefit fraud yet are silent on the far bigger issue of tax fraud and avoidance?
I don’t know as I don’t read newspapers, but I take your point.
Posted by: ska face, January 16, 2021, 9:15pm; Reply: 81
9 pages in and not one Tory dare criticise the big boys for charging them £30 for £5 of food. It’s not difficult.
Someone said the left’s a laughing stock? Who so you think the billionaires are laughing at every time they get handed one of these corrupt contracts? The people trying to stop them, or the silly fucckers voting FOR it?
Posted by: DB, January 16, 2021, 10:43pm; Reply: 82
I seem to remember that a tory MP, either Major or Maggie was in charge, extolled the benefits of living on the dole and how easy it was to manage.
A tv programme, possibly World in Action or similar, challenged him. As far as I can recall he ran out of money roundabout day 5. Grovelled some sort of apology and was never heard of again.
Posted by: ska face, January 17, 2021, 5:37am; Reply: 83
I seem to remember that a tory MP, either Major or Maggie was in charge, extolled the benefits of living on the dole and how easy it was to manage.
A tv programme, possibly World in Action or similar, challenged him. As far as I can recall he ran out of money roundabout day 5. Grovelled some sort of apology and was never heard of again.
Posted by: barralad, January 17, 2021, 8:44am; Reply: 84
The most telling point for me in there was that he believed that Westminster couldnt forget about the North-.not because of the humanity aspect but because it was a terrible drain on national resources. That 10 seconds summed up Tory thinking on the North going back to the days of Neville Chamberlain who made a conscious effort to channel resources into the new towns in the home counties whilst people in Manchester were still living in houses where a block shared one outside toilet. The fact Keegan is playing for the Geordies dates the film in the early 80s. In 1983 the constituency of Newcastle Central elected a Tory M.P.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, January 21, 2021, 5:51pm; Reply: 85
Interesting point on Twitter that, unlike her colleagues, Priti Patel (aka The Prittster) doesn’t dodge any questions. She just waffles on with a series of unconnected sentences until we all just forgot what the original question was.
Eg.
Q: Was it a mistake to ease restrictions over Christmas given how high the death toll is?
PP: Every death is a tragedy [riffing on Stalin]. But the Government has always acted on the basis of scientific advice. That has always been the case and remains the case.
I don’t remember the scientists advising to ease restrictions over Christmas? Must have missed that one Prittster!!
Posted by: codcheeky, January 21, 2021, 6:06pm; Reply: 86
Interesting point on Twitter that, unlike her colleagues, Priti Patel (aka The Prittster) doesn’t dodge any questions. She just waffles on with a series of unconnected sentences until we all just forgot what the original question was.
Eg.
Q: Was it a mistake to ease restrictions over Christmas given how high the death toll is?
PP: Every death is a tragedy [riffing on Stalin]. But the Government has always acted on the basis of scientific advice. That has always been the case and remains the case.
I don’t remember the scientists advising to ease restrictions over Christmas? Must have missed that one Prittster!!
The scientist have been pretty poor and that’s being very kind, we have the worse death rates in the world, they have to take responsibility for this, they have failed and should be replaced with others with more of a clue. If they have advised the Government and this is the result they are not fit for the job . I cannot understand why they are not called out on it at every briefing are they members of the Tory party?
Posted by: Stadium, January 21, 2021, 6:27pm; Reply: 87
The scientist have been pretty poor and that’s being very kind, we have the worse death rates in the world, they have to take responsibility for this, they have failed and should be replaced with others with more of a clue. If they have advised the Government and this is the result they are not fit for the job . I cannot understand why they are not called out on it at every briefing are they members of the Tory party?
Have you evidence of that?? Its seems that advice was furnished & ignored in general. Another poster slated the scientific input but has this this been proved to be ineffective if taken on time ??
Posted by: Gaffer58, January 21, 2021, 6:29pm; Reply: 88
I don’t understand why anyone bothers with these nightly press conferences, all that seems to happen is the minister running it comes out, they give their pre written speech, where they get that’s day point/figures over then ask for questions, but no matter what the question they have about 3 pre prepared answers and they just keep repeating these over and over, even bloomin Pointless has more bite to it.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, January 21, 2021, 7:04pm; Reply: 89
I don’t understand why anyone bothers with these nightly press conferences, all that seems to happen is the minister running it comes out, they give their pre written speech, where they get that’s day point/figures over then ask for questions, but no matter what the question they have about 3 pre prepared answers and they just keep repeating these over and over, even bloomin Pointless has more bite to it.
Welcome to politics!
Press ‘2’ or hold the line to feel disconnected
Posted by: FishOutOfWater, January 21, 2021, 7:08pm; Reply: 90
Have you evidence of that?? Its seems that advice was furnished & ignored in general. Another poster slated the scientific input but has this this been proved to be ineffective if taken on time ??
I can see your links but I would say having the worst death rate and biggest hit to the economy shows how badly they have fared. I think the vast majority have followed advice as much as possible , the fact is we initially followed Patrick Vallance’s he’d immunity theory instead of trying to keep the virus out, every country that has concentrated on keeping the virus at the border has fared much better. It is up to those to make themselves heard if they believe the politicians are twisting their advice and threaten to resign. Their reputation must take a hit when the advice results in so many deaths There is often a fear of calling out medical “experts” Shipman carried on for years without question, on every measure we are near the bottom of the league, those dishing out advice and those policing things have failed
Posted by: Maringer, January 21, 2021, 9:51pm; Reply: 93
Or any paper with a political affiliation of course. Or the laughably named Independent.
Well, it's owned by a Russian Oligarch and a puppet of the Saudi Regime and tends to back the LibDems during elections (as has the Graun much of the time), despite the otherwise left-leaning coverage. If you remember back to the 2015 election, the newspaper had been critical of the coalition and supportive of the Labour Party policies but then, out of the blue, published a very Russian-sounding editorial on the eve of the Election hoping for another coalition government. Fancy that! So, not particularly independent, but no more so than the likes of The Telegraph, Mail, Express, Sun etc. Basically all the ones with hyper-rich owners who are quite happy with the way things have gone over the last decade, thanks very much. They've all got massively richer.
Posted by: DB, January 21, 2021, 10:21pm; Reply: 94
Well, it's owned by a Russian Oligarch and a puppet of the Saudi Regime and tends to back the LibDems during elections (as has the Graun much of the time), despite the otherwise left-leaning coverage. If you remember back to the 2015 election, the newspaper had been critical of the coalition and supportive of the Labour Party policies but then, out of the blue, published a very Russian-sounding editorial on the eve of the Election hoping for another coalition government. Fancy that! So, not particularly independent, but no more so than the likes of The Telegraph, Mail, Express, Sun etc. Basically all the ones with hyper-rich owners who are quite happy with the way things have gone over the last decade, thanks very much. They've all got massively richer.
Most 'papers' today aren't newspapers at all. They are printed editions of the owners views, be it left, right or hey were in the middle. Major articles/ stories if you look at them closely refer to might/ should/ could/ may or refer to a quote from an invited question. While some of the minor articles often are true they have some biased towards something or other.
Unfortunately the days of unbiased facts have been replaced by drivel and inaccuracies. A small point of proof:- Grimsby Live headlined rubbish tipped in Humberston Road. Nothing wrong in that apart it was in South Sea Lane, off Tetney Rd. and Humberston Road is in Cleethorpes. A RT in a Cleethorpes STREET turned out to be Sandringham ROAD.
Small points you may think but if they cannot get a headline right, is the contents of the article going to be right. Incidentally I am now of the firm opinion (yep opinion) that our once quality Grimsby Telegraph Newspaper should be renamed with the old title of Grimsby Gazette. All it and it's web pages just a base for adverts.
Posted by: Maringer, January 21, 2021, 10:24pm; Reply: 95
Isn't the GET mostly phoned in from somewhere inland these days? I've only ever glanced through it when I've visited my parents' house, but it mostly seems to be sob stories about personal distress and shaming of people who have gone through the courts. Nothing much worth reading. Same goes for the sports pages in recent years as there's been nothing worth hearing about!
Posted by: DB, January 21, 2021, 10:47pm; Reply: 96
Isn't the GET mostly phoned in from somewhere inland these days? I've only ever glanced through it when I've visited my parents' house, but it mostly seems to be sob stories about personal distress and shaming of people who have gone through the courts. Nothing much worth reading. Same goes for the sports pages in recent years as there's been nothing worth hearing about!
Part of the Reach group. Reporters from Huddersfield, Scunny, Lincoln you name it they come from there. Several 'local' news stories about Scunthorpe, Lincolnshire, Spilsby. Basically anything to put on a page so it can be filled with ads. The website is even worse, the ads load up first. As I said a quality paper destroyed, O they don't even do an editoral any more.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 25, 2021, 10:28am; Reply: 97
Posted by: Stadium, September 15, 2021, 6:23pm; Reply: 101
Liz Truss now representing you to the world. Astounding
Raab & previously Johnson, could she be any worse?? ;D ;D ;D
Posted by: ginnywings, September 15, 2021, 8:07pm; Reply: 102
Gove also promoted despite the recent "Cambridge tapes".
He really is an odious fornicator.
Then again, most of them are.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, September 16, 2021, 1:58am; Reply: 103
Gove is the kid who got bullied at school for being a swot who sucked up to the teachers. He got his revenge on the hoi polloi by trying to push education back to the 1950s.
He also backstabbed Johnson the other year in the leadership contest (the one before Johnson won), so it's surprising Bozza has kept him on. Just shows you the Tories are a coalition, and Boris has to keep them sweet. He'll do it again in the not too distant future.
Posted by: DB, September 16, 2021, 5:53am; Reply: 104
Gove is the kid who got bullied at school for being a swot who sucked up to the teachers. He got his revenge on the hoi polloi by trying to push education back to the 1950s.
He also backstabbed Johnson the other year in the leadership contest (the one before Johnson won), so it's surprising Bozza has kept him on. Just shows you the Tories are a coalition, and Boris has to keep them sweet. He'll do it again in the not too distant future.
It's better to keep a close eye on the bloke carrying the knife than find it in your back, again. ;)
Posted by: DB, September 16, 2021, 5:57am; Reply: 105
More election pledges broke by the tories, pensions and taxation. Regardless of parties, all politicians have the same yellow colour going through them.
Promise you the earth for your vote and then do nothing or the opposite. ??)
Posted by: Humbercod, September 16, 2021, 7:23am; Reply: 106
More election pledges broke by the tories, pensions and taxation. Regardless of parties, all politicians have the same yellow colour going through them.
Promise you the earth for your vote and then do nothing or the opposite. ??)
If there was an election tomorrow Johnson would still walk it because there is no credible opposition, what a sad state of affairs. Emailed both local MP’s last week to speak my mind but not interested, Vickers couldn’t even be arsed to reply snouts in the trough.
Posted by: aldi_01, September 17, 2021, 10:11pm; Reply: 107
If there was an election tomorrow Johnson would still walk it because there is no credible opposition, what a sad state of affairs. Emailed both local MP’s last week to speak my mind but not interested, Vickers couldn’t even be arsed to reply snouts in the trough.
If I was a local Tory voter I’d be embarrassed to say I voted for either Vickers of Nici. Both are useless and invisible. Nici was embarrassing herself on the politics programme on Sunday morning talking absolute drivel and Vickers is a walking contradiction.
Posted by: promotion plaice, September 18, 2021, 1:14am; Reply: 108
Labour are a shambles, can't see them getting in again in my lifetime and I voted for Blair.
Also the majority voted to leave, get over it FFS.
Posted by: ska face, September 18, 2021, 2:06am; Reply: 109
If I was a local Tory voter I’d be embarrassed to say I voted for either Vickers of Nici. Both are useless and invisible. Nici was embarrassing herself on the politics programme on Sunday morning talking absolute drivel and Vickers is a walking contradiction.
Saw that and what a ridiculous performance. But hey both will turn out for the opening of an envelope to get their picture in the local "paper" Vickers lifetime work is 'enabling' the building of a £3million bridge which was never required.
Posted by: Nelly GTFC, September 19, 2021, 11:45pm; Reply: 111
Labour are a shambles, can't see them getting in again in my lifetime and I voted for Blair.
Also the majority voted to leave, get over it FFS.
I saw some statistics, that show more working people in all age groups voted for labour in the last election, and it was only a considerable higher % of retired people that voted Conservative.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, October 25, 2021, 8:04pm; Reply: 112
How many more times are members of this current Cabinet going to escape punishment for briefing the press and Lord Knowswhoelseovsky in advance of a Budget or major announcement?
Slimy Sunak is the latest to weasel his way through a week’s worth of free self-advertising and self-promotion. All embossed with the Sunak family Instagram watermark.
Posted by: DB, October 25, 2021, 8:29pm; Reply: 113
How many more times are members of this current Cabinet going to escape punishment for briefing the press and Lord Knowswhoelseovsky in advance of a Budget or major announcement?
Slimy Sunak is the latest to weasel his way through a week’s worth of free self-advertising and self-promotion. All embossed with the Sunak family Instagram watermark.
You seem to confirm my suspicion that in this day and age all governments have more holes than a colander. It reminds me of the song from the Italian Job, 'The Self Preservation Society'. ;) ;)
Posted by: DB, October 25, 2021, 8:32pm; Reply: 114
You seem to confirm my suspicion that in this day and age all governments have more holes than a colander. It reminds me of the song from the Italian Job, 'The Self Preservation Society'. ;) ;)
Sorry I didn't include it in the above.
Posted by: Maringer, November 3, 2021, 5:21pm; Reply: 115
You seem to confirm my suspicion that in this day and age all governments have more holes than a colander. It reminds me of the song from the Italian Job, 'The Self Preservation Society'. ;) ;)
Well, this bunch are so corrupt that they aren't even trying to hide it any longer:
Carrying out egregious lobbying which is completely against the rules and regulations of Parliament and earns you multiples of your salary as an MP? If you're a Tory there is now no need to fear any punishment This lot have just voted to ignore the findings of the independent commissioner and the committee overseeing standards and instead are creating a new committee dominated by Tory MPs which will, well, what exactly will they do? Are they suddenly going to decide that said Tory was actually lobbying (as evinced by the e-mails referenced in the investigation)? Are they intercourse. They are going to fix the system so that they can do whatever the intercourse they want and milk even more money.
Absolute blatant, shameless corruption is the only description for this.
As for our local Tory MPs, no surprise that Nici has voted for it because she's obviously in it for herself (does she even spend any time in Grimsby?) so will do whatever she is told. I was told that Vickers was a decent enough bloke but it seems to me he is just a gutless yes man. Neither of these two care about corruption. Would be interesting to see who they are going to be getting backhanders from in due course once the 'new committee' has decided what is and isn't allowed. My guess is that pretty much anything will go.
Posted by: ginnywings, November 3, 2021, 5:35pm; Reply: 116
Aye, just read about this and the worrying thing is that I'm not in the least bit surprised. Jacob Rees Mogg defended the move by saying it would "ensure natural justice". Only it won't.
It's like the 90's all over again with the Tory sleaze scandal.
How anyone in good conscience can vote for these overrated, over promoted, old Etonian wanksplats, I have no idea.
Posted by: Town Monkey, November 3, 2021, 6:03pm; Reply: 117
Corruption Tsar and my local MP John Penrose (husband of Dido Harding) voted in favour. That’s right folks, our Corruption Tsar voted to support an MP accused of corruption. FFS when will it end?
Posted by: DB, November 3, 2021, 7:38pm; Reply: 118
Aye, just read about this and the worrying thing is that I'm not in the least bit surprised. Jacob Rees Mogg defended the move by saying it would "ensure natural justice". Only it won't.
It's like the 90's all over again with the Tory sleaze scandal.
How anyone in good conscience can vote for these overrated, over promoted, old Etonian wanksplats, I have no idea.
As I keep pointing out all we have in all parties is career politicians. Until we have some quality unselfish people coming forward nothing will change.
Posted by: ska face, November 3, 2021, 8:46pm; Reply: 119
As I keep pointing out all we have in all parties is career politicians. Until we have some quality unselfish people coming forward nothing will change.
Please, I’m begging you, stop with this tedious both-sidesism which you shoehorn into every political thread on here.
The opportunity was there in 2019 to vote for the absolute antithesis of the current political culture, and the state, the media, the establishment and even actors within the Labour Party (including the current leader) did all they could to prevent it.
Posted by: DB, November 4, 2021, 5:20am; Reply: 120
Please, I’m begging you, stop with this tedious both-sidesism which you shoehorn into every political thread on here.
The opportunity was there in 2019 to vote for the absolute antithesis of the current political culture, and the state, the media, the establishment and even actors within the Labour Party (including the current leader) did all they could to prevent it.
If the truth hurts you, please accept my apologies. I've voted for Maggie, Blair, and Ashdown and vote how I see the politics on election day given the past and bullsh!t they say they will do. It's called freedom like you have the same freedom with your views.
I like some of your views and not others but I don't cry you down for those I'm not happy with. I am fortunate that I can see both side of an argument and the politicians all want to take the 'Middle Ground', or say they do. When you have seen it all before and today's politicians are just a regurgitation of those from the past. In today's news, we have a repeat of tory sleaze with cash for questions story. The old labour leader Corbyn reminded me of a scruffy Michael Foot in an anorak at the cenotaph on Remembrance Sunday.
Nothing changes, just names and we're gonna do this and that.
Posted by: ska face, November 4, 2021, 7:48am; Reply: 121
The indescribable arrogance of a few elderly generations in this country has lead us down a path which is going to cause misery and suffering to their grandchildren and those to come. They will not be forgiven.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, November 4, 2021, 12:46pm; Reply: 122
The best bit of overlooked Tory sleaze of the last couple of years was when that MP was accused of a couple of counts of sexual assault, it went to court and his wife stood by him throughout. He gets found guilty, his wife complains about it being a witchhunt. He gets an appeal but is sent down for 2 years, on the day he is sentenced his wife announces that he leaving him. His wife then becomes the MP for the seat. A couple of months ago she was found to have breached the code of conduct for trying to influence senior judges in her husbands appeal, she gets a one day suspension from parliament.
Posted by: Maringer, November 4, 2021, 1:02pm; Reply: 123
Looks like the government is doing another U-turn after realising they have overstepped the mark at bit this time. Paterson likely to be serving his suspension before too long as the Tory MPs will realise they shat the bed and vote for the original punishment to stand.
Still, you can guarantee they will maybe have learned their lesson this time so will continue chip, chip, chipping away at the regulations in place to try and keep them honest. It will be a more gradual drift into corruption than they originally intended, but we'll get there.
On another note, it looks as though Johnson has learned his lesson after the brouhaha earlier this year as to who was paying for his holidays. This time, we at least know that it was the fabulously wealthy Lord Goldsmith who Johnson gave a life peerage as well as a job as a minister:
Seems odd that they reveal this now after refusing to say who originally funded the holiday. Almost as if Johnson is trying a, "I've got nothing to hide!" approach whilst the spotlight is on corruption...
Posted by: GollyGTFC, November 4, 2021, 3:07pm; Reply: 124
Looks like the government is doing another U-turn after realising they have overstepped the mark at bit this time. Paterson likely to be serving his suspension before too long as the Tory MPs will realise they shat the bed and vote for the original punishment to stand.
Still, you can guarantee they will maybe have learned their lesson this time so will continue chip, chip, chipping away at the regulations in place to try and keep them honest. It will be a more gradual drift into corruption than they originally intended, but we'll get there.
On another note, it looks as though Johnson has learned his lesson after the brouhaha earlier this year as to who was paying for his holidays. This time, we at least know that it was the fabulously wealthy Lord Goldsmith who Johnson gave a life peerage as well as a job as a minister:
Seems odd that they reveal this now after refusing to say who originally funded the holiday. Almost as if Johnson is trying a, "I've got nothing to hide!" approach whilst the spotlight is on corruption...
The Daily Mail’s front page today changed their mind. It wasn’t that they suddenly decided they got it wrong. The Daily Mail sent them a very direct message about who’s really in charge and the government caved in.
Of course yesterday was nothing to do with Owen Paterson. It’s about preparing for enquiry’s into COVID, Test & Trace, PPE Contracts, redecorating No. 10, free holidays etc… It was an attempt to downplay corruption in public office as an offence now & rig the system in the future knowing that Boris and his buddies will be under investigation & in the dock in the coming years.
I see OP has now stood down and said he’s going to continue his public service away from politics. I’m sure there are plenty of understaffed care homes near him who could offer him a job, but I think he might be surprised that the companies queuing up to pay him handsomely as a sitting MP won’t value his work at £1,000 an hour as a normal member of the public.
But apparently he’s the victim in all this.
Posted by: LH, November 4, 2021, 3:24pm; Reply: 125
He tried to turn some of the blame onto the opposition benches in his resignation saying politics is a cruel world. They’re absolutely shameless.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, November 4, 2021, 3:52pm; Reply: 126
He tried to turn some of the blame onto the opposition benches in his resignation saying politics is a cruel world. They’re absolutely shameless.
No mention of politics being a corrupt world though eh?
I suppose he can go full time on his lobbying now what with all his mates on the benches he'll have the ear of.
Posted by: Maringer, November 4, 2021, 4:30pm; Reply: 127
I'd imagine he had a word in his ear and will end up in a nice highly-paid job somewhere, with a knighthood incoming in a few years time. Who knows, perhaps he'll become a lobbyist? It seems he's got plenty of experience in the role.
Posted by: DB, November 4, 2021, 5:26pm; Reply: 128
The indescribable arrogance of a few elderly generations in this country has lead us down a path which is going to cause misery and suffering to their grandchildren and those to come. They will not be forgiven.
You make a fair comment but forget that today's youth is tomorrow's elderly and will the same then be said about them?
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, November 4, 2021, 5:34pm; Reply: 129
Carrying out egregious lobbying which is completely against the rules and regulations of Parliament and earns you multiples of your salary as an MP? If you're a Tory there is now no need to fear any punishment This lot have just voted to ignore the findings of the independent commissioner and the committee overseeing standards and instead are creating a new committee dominated by Tory MPs which will, well, what exactly will they do? Are they suddenly going to decide that said Tory was actually lobbying (as evinced by the e-mails referenced in the investigation)? Are they intercourse. They are going to fix the system so that they can do whatever the intercourse they want and milk even more money.
Absolute blatant, shameless corruption is the only description for this.
As for our local Tory MPs, no surprise that Nici has voted for it because she's obviously in it for herself (does she even spend any time in Grimsby?) so will do whatever she is told. I was told that Vickers was a decent enough bloke but it seems to me he is just a gutless yes man. Neither of these two care about corruption. Would be interesting to see who they are going to be getting backhanders from in due course once the 'new committee' has decided what is and isn't allowed. My guess is that pretty much anything will go.
No comments from the two local Tory puppet's I see. Absolutely shameless.
Posted by: codcheeky, November 5, 2021, 12:47pm; Reply: 132
Imagine being that sun you literally never use your own mind…absolute flipping charlatans the pair of them…
Absolutely hopeless. They should be scrutinised on their voting against the recent environmental bill especially with the area they rule over. Still Nici said Mr Irreverent would be her mentor so it's no surprise at all.
Posted by: aldi_01, November 5, 2021, 6:49pm; Reply: 135
Absolutely hopeless. They should be scrutinised on their voting against the recent environmental bill especially with the area they rule over. Still Nici said Mr Irreverent would be her mentor so it's no surprise at all.
It’s easy to find MP voting…Nici is a careerist and once an easier seat becomes available she’ll be off.
Vickers is just a walking contradiction and anyone That knows anything about him personally knows it must be extremely awkward at family functions…
Posted by: ginnywings, November 6, 2021, 8:06pm; Reply: 136
John Major putting the boot into Boris and chums.
Never thought I'd be agreeing with that non entity.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, November 7, 2021, 9:44am; Reply: 137
Slightly off topic, but this struck a chord with me, from an Alistair Campbell column
“So Rishi Sunak got his Burys mixed with his Burnleys, thereby confirming the Cabinet’s knowledge of the Red Wall seats to which they are supposedly dedicated is as superficial as the chancellor’s Instagram account. Can you imagine the media meltdown if it had been a Labour chancellor, or Diane Abbott, who had made the same mistake? I can. Bacon sandwich, bigot-gate time all over again… see, you remember those.”
Posted by: Stadium, November 7, 2021, 12:49pm; Reply: 138
Well who would have believed it?
The Conservative Party has been accused of abusing the honours system by systematically offering seats in the House of Lords to a select group of multimillionaire donors who pay more than £3 million to the party.
An investigation by The Sunday Times and Open Democracy reveals that wealthy benefactors appear to be guaranteed a peerage if they take on the temporary role as the party treasurer and increase their own donations beyond £3 million. In the past two decades, all 16 of the party’s main treasurers — apart from the most recent, who stood down two months ago having donated £3.8 million — have been offered a seat in the Lords.
Among them was Peter Cruddas, a billionaire whose peerage was pushed through by Boris Johnson against the recommendation of the Lords appointments commission. One of the commission’s members has broken the panel’s silence over the process, saying the prime minister’s decision to “override what we did ... left a bad taste in my mouth”.
Posted by: codcheeky, November 7, 2021, 5:35pm; Reply: 139
The Conservative Party has been accused of abusing the honours system by systematically offering seats in the House of Lords to a select group of multimillionaire donors who pay more than £3 million to the party.
An investigation by The Sunday Times and Open Democracy reveals that wealthy benefactors appear to be guaranteed a peerage if they take on the temporary role as the party treasurer and increase their own donations beyond £3 million. In the past two decades, all 16 of the party’s main treasurers — apart from the most recent, who stood down two months ago having donated £3.8 million — have been offered a seat in the Lords.
Among them was Peter Cruddas, a billionaire whose peerage was pushed through by Boris Johnson against the recommendation of the Lords appointments commission. One of the commission’s members has broken the panel’s silence over the process, saying the prime minister’s decision to “override what we did ... left a bad taste in my mouth”.
It has always been so, this lot have just taken it to the next level, Johnson had absolutely no morals
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, November 8, 2021, 8:21pm; Reply: 140
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Posted by: Rick12, November 13, 2021, 12:25pm; Reply: 141
Don't like all this political finger pointing eg my party is better than yours and vice versa. Iam going to leave the quote below as my final message on this thread as I understand some people don't want to hear about religion:
God bless you all.
"When Catholics immerse themselves in a political party, they leave Catholicism. When they immerse themselves in Christ, they lose party loyalty".
Fr Joseph Krupp
Posted by: Maringer, November 18, 2021, 12:02am; Reply: 142
Here's a good one, Johnson admitting that they have been effectively selling peerages to big Tory donors:
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Pretty much unreported in the media, which is a surprise, as it is illegal for the government to do this. Johnson has just admitted the Conservative Party is corrupt and his government can be bought off if the donations are high enough.
Not really a surprise as it is obvious what has been going on for years, but difficult to believe nothing has been made of this by the media.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 18, 2021, 3:21pm; Reply: 143
Im going to give Starmer some credit he actually did ok and rattled Johnson in the house yesterday.
Posted by: codcheeky, November 18, 2021, 3:56pm; Reply: 144
Im going to give Starmer some credit he actually did ok and rattled Johnson in the house yesterday.
Perhaps the tactic of asking questions in response to questions rather than answering them has run its course, the speaker was absolutely right to call him out on this. It is the only hour in the week when other MPs get to ask the PM questions and he should be expected to answer and answer truthfully
Posted by: Maringer, November 18, 2021, 4:19pm; Reply: 145
Perhaps they should just change the name of the event to "Prime Minister's Answers"? Might do the trick!
Posted by: ginnywings, November 18, 2021, 8:50pm; Reply: 146
Kunts, the lot of 'em.
Posted by: DB, November 19, 2021, 4:17am; Reply: 147
Posted by: DB, November 19, 2021, 4:24am; Reply: 148
Has anyone considered that in reality our Parliament is in most years a dictatorship? As many Prime Ministers know an absolute majority means they can do what they want, making a debate meaningless. The resolution might be tweaked here and there but only at the PM's discretion to keep the troops happy.
The only time Parliament is a debating chamber is when the PM has a small majority and then has to listen, otherwise they rule like a King/Queen.
Posted by: Maringer, November 19, 2021, 10:42am; Reply: 149
It's why we would be better off with a proper voting system which led to a proper representative democracy. I'd much rather see different parties in coalition with to and fro between them which should theoretically lead to less extreme policies. This presumes that the smaller parties aren't led by gutless gimps such as Nick Clegg, of course.
Get rid of the pathetic FPTP voting system and we'll end up with coalition governments most of the time which would represent a larger proportion of the voters. Less chance of corruption and cronyism becoming embedded in government if left or right-leaning voters have an alternative which isn't half way across the political spectrum from them.
Posted by: Roast Em Bobby, November 23, 2021, 12:24pm; Reply: 150
I see that both the Grimsby & Cleethorpes Tory MPs voted for the Social Care plan yesterday - despite the fact that many people in the area will be hit disproportionately compared to those in the South with more expensive homes.
As Ginny quite rightly says - Kunts, the lot of 'em.
Posted by: ska face, November 23, 2021, 12:37pm; Reply: 151
Plenty of pensioners and those approaching old age on here who voted for exactly what’s being dished out. It would be objectively VERY funny if they themselves were to suffer as a result of these policies and I very much hope it happens.
Posted by: Maringer, November 23, 2021, 1:14pm; Reply: 152
Another change to legislation which regressively benefits the wealthy over those with fewer assets? Who'd have thought it?
I mean, on the one hand, I suppose they've actually done something about the problem rather than kicking the can down the road, but on the other hand, they've ignored Dilnot's recommendations and instead voted through something will further increase wealth inequality in the country.
My guess is that the families of every single MP to vote for it will benefit greatly from the legislation. And the ones with two jobs will benefit even more.
Posted by: Stadium, November 24, 2021, 12:37pm; Reply: 153
Plenty of pensioners and those approaching old age on here who voted for exactly what’s being dished out. It would be objectively VERY funny if they themselves were to suffer as a result of these policies and I very much hope it happens.
Another plan which they'll moan about but hey you voted for him & Boris knows best. Fancy believing the buffoon
Posted by: Stadium, November 25, 2021, 6:29pm; Reply: 154
Underhand and disgraceful again.
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Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, November 28, 2021, 6:08am; Reply: 155
Not one to be drawn over political lines, as I don’t know enough to even harbour a view on what goes on, but surely, and apologies if mentioned previously, whichever power leads the country, there will always be complaints. As wide as the political spectrum is, there will always be some form of corruption and discontent.
The meals, if that is a quality representation of what Is provided, is nowhere near good enough and/or acceptable. And from what I’ve seen, the outsourced catering in schools by local authorities is sometimes diabolical. Maybe school inspectors should have to take in an interest in school meal provisions also (if they don’t already that is)
Am fortunate that I was brought up by parents and grandparents that loved to cook, and I worked and gained experience in catering for many years so I really feel for kids that are being brought up by ping chefs and ready meals. IMHO home economics (and all its derivatives) should be on the national curriculum. It’s easy to make a healthy nutritional meal for £5 for a family of 4 or 5 but the generations need showing how to do it.
That’s why I think society has a lot to answer to over politics. How many times do we see those claiming poverty having all the luxurious goods in the world but no nutrition in the fridge. But, if parents want to choose sky tv, 20 B&H and a bottle of lambrini over vegetables and a decent meal, then that’s their prerogative. Just don’t complain when you are buying yourself 5 scratch cards in the hope you can go out at the weekend*.
*obviously a very extreme scenario and probably only 0.01% are like this
Posted by: DB, November 28, 2021, 11:23am; Reply: 156
Not one to be drawn over political lines, as I don’t know enough to even harbour a view on what goes on, but surely, and apologies if mentioned previously, whichever power leads the country, there will always be complaints. As wide as the political spectrum is, there will always be some form of corruption and discontent.
The meals, if that is a quality representation of what Is provided, is nowhere near good enough and/or acceptable. And from what I’ve seen, the outsourced catering in schools by local authorities is sometimes diabolical. Maybe if I’m and school inspectors should have to take in an interest in school meal provisions also (if they don’t already that is)
Am fortunate that I was brought up by parents and grandparents that loved to cook, and I worked and gained experience in catering for many years so I really feel for kids that are being brought up by ping chefs and ready meals. IMHO home economics (and all its derivatives) should be on the national curriculum. It’s easy to make a healthy nutritional meal for £5 for a family of 4 or 5 but the generations need showing how to do it.
That’s why I think society has a lot to answer to over politics. How many times do we see those claiming poverty having all the luxurious goods in the world but no nutrition in the fridge. But, if parents want to choose sky tv, 20 B&H and a bottle of lambrini over vegetables and a decent meal, then that’s their prerogative. Just don’t complain when you are buying yourself 5 scratch cards in the hope you can go out at the weekend*.
*obviously a very extreme scenario and probably only 0.01% are like this
This has to be the best summary of modern life I have read in years.Star Man.
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, November 28, 2021, 6:47pm; Reply: 157
This has to be the best summary of modern life I have read in years.Star Man.
Yet, the red cross brigade are out en-force. I haven’t slagged any political party off but people take umbrage on others opinions.
I don’t think it’s down to political divide but moreover social being. Maybe social expulsion.
Those that want will always castigate those that have and those that have will always repent at those that don’t. That’s life. But, instead of hiding behind your red crosses, have the balls and speak up where you think I have said something wrong
Posted by: Humbercod, November 28, 2021, 7:57pm; Reply: 158
Yet, the red cross brigade are out en-force. I haven’t slagged any political party off but people take umbrage on others opinions.
I don’t think it’s down to political divide but moreover social being. Maybe social expulsion.
Those that want will always castigate those that have and those that have will always repent at those that don’t. That’s life. But, instead of hiding behind your red crosses, have the balls and speak up where you think I have said something wrong
Oh dear Woz you’ve only gone and upset the resident socialists, brace yourself 😂
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, November 29, 2021, 7:24am; Reply: 159
Oh dear Woz you’ve only gone and upset the resident socialists, brace yourself 😂
I’ve never understood socialism so haven’t done this on purpose. From what I understand of it, many parts are correct. The government should own its own infrastructures such as transportation, power, education and health. Certain amenities should not be outsourced. There’s no point having a nice house but no furniture is there! I’ve a very very good friend that is much more well informed about this than I could ever be
Certain prime ministers down the years have boiled my p1ss yet others have just been down right wet f@rts. I don’t think there been more than 2 ‘good’ PM’s while I’ve had the chance to vote and if it wasn’t for Keir Starmer being such a load of drivel, I think labour would’ve been back in power today. But over the past 20 years we’ve gone from a murderer that wanted to stay in bed with the yanks and a jock that just spent money like it was going out of fashion to an oxbridge pig lover and someone akin to a highly educated goofball. I know nothing about right wing or left wing politics and always thought Dave Gilbert and Gary Childs had become councillors when that was mentioned!
Posted by: Humbercod, November 29, 2021, 7:44am; Reply: 160
Yanks and a Jock! This will be stored on memory now and they will come for you in 5 years time. Good post again👍
Posted by: ska face, November 29, 2021, 9:23am; Reply: 161
This has to be the best summary of modern life I have read in years.Star Man.
lmao. Read more widely.
Posted by: aldi_01, December 1, 2021, 6:23am; Reply: 162
Jeez…
Posted by: Roast Em Bobby, December 1, 2021, 3:20pm; Reply: 163
Iraq war - only 2 conservatives voted against it, even Plaid Cymru had 4 who voted against it. 84 labour voted against it. The truth is any political party in this country would have done what Blair did, as we are completely up the Yanks arses.
Jock - widely credited with playing the key role in stopping the world wide banking system collapsing, also spent far less money than the current incumbents
The plebs agreeing with Woz are the reason this country is in such a state
Posted by: mariner91, December 1, 2021, 6:57pm; Reply: 164
Iraq war - only 2 conservatives voted against it, even Plaid Cymru had 4 who voted against it. 84 labour voted against it. The truth is any political party in this country would have done what Blair did, as we are completely up the Yanks arses.
Jock - widely credited with playing the key role in stopping the world wide banking system collapsing, also spent far less money than the current incumbents
The plebs agreeing with Woz are the reason this country is in such a state
Exactly. If somebody still believes that Brown overspending was the cause of the financial crash then they're beyond help at this point. And at least the spending he did was aimed at reducing hospital waiting times and increasing social services, not lining the pockets of their pals. Ten of billions of OUR money has been siphoned off by the Tories for themselves and their mates and people still talk about Labour overspending (13 years ago), it's beyond laughable.
Posted by: Maringer, December 1, 2021, 11:52pm; Reply: 165
Oh, look. More corruption:
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Hancock is still lying about it in parliament as well. Shouldn't the Met be getting involved here, somehow?
Posted by: MarinerWY, December 2, 2021, 12:13am; Reply: 166
Hancock is still lying about it in parliament as well. Shouldn't the Met be getting involved here, somehow?
They should, in an ideal world. But the police, and Met in particular, have a long and proud history of protecting the state. Wouldn't trust them to investigate even if they were forced to. Files would be swiftly 'lost' and the investigation wound down as inconclusive.
Posted by: aldi_01, December 2, 2021, 6:23am; Reply: 167
Exactly. If somebody still believes that Brown overspending was the cause of the financial crash then they're beyond help at this point. And at least the spending he did was aimed at reducing hospital waiting times and increasing social services, not lining the pockets of their pals. Ten of billions of OUR money has been siphoned off by the Tories for themselves and their mates and people still talk about Labour overspending (13 years ago), it's beyond laughable.
And this siphoning of cash in to the pockets of ‘donors’ and chums is far more important to challenge than worrying about Covid. I’ve always said that it’s all too easy and convenient for Covid to ‘hang around’ when you’re generating millions for yourself from it…
Aside from mental health and suicide being a far more prevalent pandemic, the constant tory sleaze and cronyism is in need of greater scrutiny…ironic really that the folk thag vote for those idiots and greedy illegitimates scream patriotism; is stealing billions of public money patriotic?
Posted by: ginnywings, December 2, 2021, 5:41pm; Reply: 168
The corruption scandals just keep on coming. Another Tory tosser, maybe the biggest of them all.
The Cabinet are probably so coked up they can’t remember what’s true and what’s a lie.
Bojo being at the front of the line.
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Haha fancy believing anything the bluffer promised.
Posted by: Maringer, December 6, 2021, 9:45pm; Reply: 176
Erm, surely all investigations of crimes are carried out by the police respectively? A millisecond after the crime, any action is retrospective. Minority Report was fiction last time I checked. The mind-blowing stupidity of that statement from the Met is just embarrassing! Either that, or they seriously just don't give a excrement and will do whatever they are told whether it makes them (and us) look like idiots or not.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, December 6, 2021, 9:52pm; Reply: 177
Haha fancy believing anything the bluffer promised.
If it talks like a male private, acts like a male private and looks like a male private, it’s probably a male private.
Posted by: ginnywings, December 7, 2021, 12:43am; Reply: 178
Think I might go out and commit a crime. I'll be alright if they don't catch me in the act tonight.
I expected the situation to be swept under the carpet, but their reasoning is incredulous.
Posted by: Stadium, December 15, 2021, 6:24pm; Reply: 179
Haha.
"A Conservative MP pleaded with a fixer to help him secure a well-paid second job with a Saudi company or other work relating to the Middle East, at one point saying he needed money to pay school fees."
"Daniel Kawczynski.... The Tory MP for Shrewsbury and Atcham asked a fixer to find him work with a Saudi employer, describing himself as the most “pro-Saudi” member of parliament and boasting that the Saudi leader, Mohammed bin Salman, “has stated that Saudi has no better friend in UK than me”.
Posted by: chaos33, December 15, 2021, 6:33pm; Reply: 180
That drugs report tested 12 bathroom/toilet facilities across the entire parliament estate and found evidence of cocaine in 11/12 sites. How many more appalling transgressions will it take before this Eton farmed collection of charlatans are removed? Look at the footage of the idiots in north Shropshire saying they’ll vote conservative in the forthcoming polling. I mean, WTF is wrong with people?!?!?
Posted by: Stadium, December 15, 2021, 9:46pm; Reply: 181
That drugs report tested 12 bathroom/toilet facilities across the entire parliament estate and found evidence of cocaine in 11/12 sites. How many more appalling transgressions will it take before this Eton farmed collection of charlatans are removed? Look at the footage of the idiots in north Shropshire saying they’ll vote conservative in the forthcoming polling. I mean, WTF is wrong with people?!?!?
Sad state of affairs Even LCL is writing for the telegraph now with a mythical story.
Don't know what spews more sh1t. Her or the Anglian Water Board into the local rivers.
Anglian Water can turn theirs off. ;) ;)
Posted by: Hagrid, January 13, 2022, 10:54am; Reply: 193
Lia Nici is an absolute disgrace
Get her out, get the Tories Out
Posted by: Maringer, January 13, 2022, 3:20pm; Reply: 194
Imagine being so completely self-interested or so spineless that you were capable of spouting this sort of drivel in the press.
It must be terrible to be so completely worthless. Still, at least they'll get hefty pensions, eh?
Posted by: aldi_01, January 13, 2022, 9:37pm; Reply: 195
Nici is the prime example of self serving, narcissistic, careerist politician. Serves no purpose to the voting public and not any chance of ever growing a spine…
She’s beyond towing the party line, it’s like some sickly one sided love affair…her tongue must be accustomed to the taste of shite by now though…
Posted by: Humbercod, January 13, 2022, 9:53pm; Reply: 196
I told Nici that she will not be the local MP after the next election, her recent comments in support of Boris have now confirmed this.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 13, 2022, 10:00pm; Reply: 197
I told Nici that she will not be the local MP after the next election, her recent comments in support of Boris have now confirmed this.
She probably can't wait to get out of Grimsby and away from us toothless Northerners anyway.
I bet she fooking hates it here, which is the only consolation of having her for our MP.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, January 13, 2022, 10:06pm; Reply: 198
Boris’ family positive test is starting to look more and more tactical.
The Telegraph are running with a story that there were boozy No.10 parties in the early hours of the morning on the day Queenie mourned Philpot’s death on her own.
It’s alleged that junior Downing St staff were dispatched to the local Co-op with briefcases to smuggle their booze back to Boris’ lair.
Posted by: LH, January 13, 2022, 11:43pm; Reply: 199
I reckon there are thousands of gammon heads exploding tonight trying to process how they can back Boris after his staff partied the night before the Queen buried Phillip. She could of course dissolve Parliament herself which would be unprecendented and finish Boris and the current cabinet off for good. Possibly literally depending how drunk off she is.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 14, 2022, 12:22am; Reply: 200
I reckon there are thousands of gammon heads exploding tonight trying to process how they can back Boris after his staff partied the night before the Queen buried Phillip. She could of course dissolve Parliament herself which would be unprecendented and finish Boris and the current cabinet off for good. Possibly literally depending how drunk off she is.
I'm no royalist, but the sight of her sat alone in St Georges chapel was the image of lockdown. She did what many of us did and obeyed the rules. I myself attended the funeral of my brother last year and we were only allowed 20 mourners due to the size limitations at the venue and some of the family had to remain outside. How many were at these parties?
The sheer number of parties being exposed is mind boggling. Two on the eve of the funeral of Prince Philip and one within an hour of a press conference telling us to follow the rules or else.
My mind goes back to those two female walkers in Derbyshire who were publicly humiliated and accused of 'having a picnic' because they were carrying 2 hot drinks with them. Perhaps if they'd had Tory party rosettes and a bottle of wine each, they would have been excused.
I've always hated the Tory party for their arrogance, greed and entitlement, but at least up to now they have kept their contempt for the working classes hidden behind closed doors. I thought Thatcher would never be surpassed on my loathing scale, but she has dropped to No 3 behind Bojo and Mogg.
How anyone can vote for them is beyond my comprehension.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 14, 2022, 12:40am; Reply: 201
A run down of all the parties revealed so far if anyone wants to keep count. Did they have time for work?
I'm no royalist, but the sight of her sat alone in St Georges chapel was the image of lockdown. She did what many of us did and obeyed the rules. I myself attended the funeral of my brother last year and we were only allowed 20 mourners due to the size limitations at the venue and some of the family had to remain outside. How many were at these parties?
The sheer number of parties being exposed is mind boggling. Two on the eve of the funeral of Prince Philip and one within an hour of a press conference telling us to follow the rules or else.
My mind goes back to those two female walkers in Derbyshire who were publicly humiliated and accused of 'having a picnic' because they were carrying 2 hot drinks with them. Perhaps if they'd had Tory party rosettes and a bottle of wine each, they would have been excused.
I've always hated the Tory party for their arrogance, greed and entitlement, but at least up to now they have kept their contempt for the working classes hidden behind closed doors. I thought Thatcher would never be surpassed on my loathing scale, but she has dropped to No 3 behind Bojo and Mogg.
How anyone can vote for them is beyond my comprehension.
I’m with you on the Thatcher thing, may be not 3rd but she’s slipping in to second place behind Boris.
In some respects I’m not arsed they had parties, it’s the blatent hypocrisy and arrogance that’s the issue, and still they carry on as if nothing happened or it’s not a problem.
Zero ducking chance Boris has covid either, or a positive test. Purely tactical.
The Queen won’t dissolve Parliament and will be currently tied up spending tax payer money on top lawyers to defend her nonce son but, she did follow the rules. May be it was a clever PR move to do so but nonetheless, she did and she, like many others, say their alone to mourn the passing of her partner of many years. You don’t have to like the royal family but we’ve all a heart and in that moment, she was the same as any of us…then to hear and see that those girl privates, who are usually all about Queen and country, did exactly and proved what they are…selfish, self obsessed male masturbators…
Posted by: LH, January 14, 2022, 10:01am; Reply: 203
Nothing to do with PR - she’s got a sense of duty that is lacking in the government and sadly a number of people in the public too.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, January 14, 2022, 7:33pm; Reply: 204
Have you heard about this competition to design a dessert to celebrate the Queen’s jubilee?
I think Bojo, Mogg et al have already won with their Eton Mess.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, January 14, 2022, 8:30pm; Reply: 205
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Posted by: ska face, January 14, 2022, 8:41pm; Reply: 206
All the Tory voters on here, wonder if any of their loved ones ended up in the ground while their overlords were getting píssed and racking up lines in Downing St?
I’d laugh like a fúcking drain.
Posted by: Humbercod, January 14, 2022, 9:54pm; Reply: 207
All the Tory voters on here, wonder if any of their loved ones ended up in the ground while their overlords were getting píssed and racking up lines in Downing St?
I’d laugh like a fúcking drain.
The vile extreme left for you full of hate🙁 I don’t regret voting for the party that is Conservative in name only, but that’s only because the other option would of been the CCP funded Labour Party.
Posted by: ska face, January 15, 2022, 7:03am; Reply: 208
The vile extreme left for you full of hate🙁 I don’t regret voting for the party that is Conservative in name only, but that’s only because the other option would of been the CCP funded Labour Party.
Full of hate? Absolutely, not sure why anyone would expect anything different.
120,000 dead from austerity, windrush, Grenfell, Yemen, Manchester Arena, destitution for millions and people voted for more of the same? Fúck em, I say. Beneath contempt and I hope they see some consequences of their actions.
Posted by: Stadium, January 15, 2022, 12:17pm; Reply: 209
Here's the local "MP" (loosest possible terms) on important business.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 17, 2022, 3:06pm; Reply: 210
Lovely to see Susie Dent trolling the Tories and Operation Red Meat on Twitter today…
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Posted by: ginnywings, January 17, 2022, 3:10pm; Reply: 211
Just been reading about operation red meat.
Throw the electorate a few bones, blame the BBC for everything and carry on as normal.
They think the voters are stupid and a lot of them are to be fair, but time is running out for Bojo. He's too much of a liability now and the Tories love power more than anything else, so he will be replaced long before the next election.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 17, 2022, 7:40pm; Reply: 212
Throw the electorate a few bones, blame the BBC for everything and carry on as normal.
They think the voters are stupid and a lot of them are to be fair, but time is running out for Bojo. He's too much of a liability now and the Tories love power more than anything else, so he will be replaced long before the next election.
The modern term for sparple is of course “whataboutery”. An example is the Daily Mail desperately recycling a nothing story the Sun ran in May 2021 about Keir Starmer.
The Mail seem absolutely desperate to keep BJ is No. 10. I wonder why!
Posted by: ginnywings, January 17, 2022, 10:49pm; Reply: 213
The modern term for sparple is of course “whataboutery”. An example is the Daily Mail desperately recycling a nothing story the Sun ran in May 2021 about Keir Starmer.
The Mail seem absolutely desperate to keep BJ is No. 10. I wonder why!
Thought you'd had a case of fat fingers when I saw the word sparple in your post, so looked it up and I see it is trending today. I now know what it means and it's derivation, so your post makes sense.
Whataboutery indeed.
Posted by: aldi_01, January 19, 2022, 6:05am; Reply: 214
I saw someone who is often someone who trawls newspapers and the likes to make a point, someone very vocal about covid and government conspiracy. I’m not saying I disagree but they shared the Starmer picture in a kind of ‘they’re all at it’ type of way…odd given it was from last year, had been published last year and already an explanation that had been supported had been given.
Whereas, Boris isn’t even trying anymore…the best place for him is the sea…
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 19, 2022, 6:34am; Reply: 215
Thought you'd had a case of fat fingers when I saw the word sparple in your post, so looked it up and I see it is trending today. I now know what it means and it's derivation, so your post makes sense.
Whataboutery indeed.
Sparple was trending on Twitter because Susie Dent had it as her word of the day. I shared the tweet a few posts up.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, January 19, 2022, 12:16pm; Reply: 216
Tory MP defects to Labour or....
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Either way it seems that Boris Johnson could have well and truly stacked it this time.
Posted by: ska face, January 19, 2022, 12:40pm; Reply: 217
A Labour Party worth anything would’ve told this bloke to bollöcks. He’s voted against measures to prevent tax evasion, against measures to prevent climate change, voted to criminalise peaceful protest and less than 2 years ago was happy to justify the last decade of cuts and austerity.
Says it all about both this individual and, more importantly, Starmer’s Labour. A disgrace all round.
Posted by: LH, January 19, 2022, 12:50pm; Reply: 218
Looks like someone who knows his pay packet is gone in a couple of years time. The way the system works means Labour or any other party isn’t going to turn down anyone wanting to defect. A sensible country would trigger a by-election with a defection and a GE with a change of leader by anything other than death. However we’re not a sensible country.
Posted by: Maringer, January 19, 2022, 1:17pm; Reply: 219
The words, 'rat' and 'sinking ship' seem apposite in this case.
The surprise to me is that Bunter seems to be trying to brazen it out. He's surely not just "waiting for the report from Sue Gray" on the off-chance that he will be cleared of anything but stupidity and ignorance (which is apparently acceptable in a PM in this wonderful modern era), is he? It makes me wonder if the fix is already in.
Regardless of what occurs in the short-term, I tend to expect he'll be jettisoned before the next election, but it strikes me that the Tories haven't really moved heaven and earth to get rid of him because they want him to take the bulk of the blame for the many intercourse-ups during the pandemic.
Oh, and look, there's a squirrel/dead cat (delete as applicable), with an announcement that 'Plan B' restrictions will end in a week.
Posted by: Humbercod, January 19, 2022, 1:18pm; Reply: 220
A Labour Party worth anything would’ve told this bloke to bollöcks. He’s voted against measures to prevent tax evasion, against measures to prevent climate change, voted to criminalise peaceful protest and less than 2 years ago was happy to justify the last decade of cuts and austerity.
Says it all about both this individual and, more importantly, Starmer’s Labour. A disgrace all round.
You sound surprised! If there was an ounce of credibility a by- election would of already been called.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 19, 2022, 2:13pm; Reply: 221
A Labour Party worth anything would’ve told this bloke to bollöcks. He’s voted against measures to prevent tax evasion, against measures to prevent climate change, voted to criminalise peaceful protest and less than 2 years ago was happy to justify the last decade of cuts and austerity.
Says it all about both this individual and, more importantly, Starmer’s Labour. A disgrace all round.
Totally disagree. A defection is always good for inspiring loyalty. Starmer’s calculation is that it might keep BJ in post and enable him to ride out the storm. They want a general election of Starmer v Johnson, not Starmer v A.N. Other.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 19, 2022, 2:16pm; Reply: 222
Therein lies the problem. Tweets no longer appear on my PC and I am not tech savvy enough to figure out why.
All I get is Tweet 14553876495720 will appear here. The Tweet never appears.
They still appear on my phone but I hardly ever access the fishy from that device.
Are you using an ad-blocker? It could be that. Also worth trying a different web browser to see if they are blocked in all browsers or just the one you are using.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 19, 2022, 8:17pm; Reply: 225
Are you using an ad-blocker? It could be that. Also worth trying a different web browser to see if they are blocked in all browsers or just the one you are using.
Thanks for that.
I've had an ad-blocker for a long time and the issue only started recently. Will try on another web browser and see what happens. I have changed from Chrome to Edge, but again that was a while back.
My PC is old now and probably needs a good tune up. I have had a notification saying that my PC won't support Windows 11 when it's available, so maybe time for a new one.
Posted by: ska face, January 19, 2022, 8:17pm; Reply: 226
Totally disagree. A defection is always good for inspiring loyalty. Starmer’s calculation is that it might keep BJ in post and enable him to ride out the storm. They want a general election of Starmer v Johnson, not Starmer v A.N. Other.
You think the Tories are going to keep Johnson in for another couple of years after his personal ratings dropped below those Corbyn had at the end of his leadership?
They’ll let him carry the can for an awful set of local elections in May, plus tax and energy bill rises in April, and they’ll jettison him.
It’s short termism from Starmer, who’s enjoying his poll lead at the minute but not dragging anywhere near enough Tory support over. He’s got no offer, which is why Tories are turning to “don’t know” rather than the Tory-lite party.
Posted by: Roast Em Bobby, January 19, 2022, 8:58pm; Reply: 227
I've had an ad-blocker for a long time and the issue only started recently. Will try on another web browser and see what happens. I have changed from Chrome to Edge, but again that was a while back.
My PC is old now and probably needs a good tune up. I have had a notification saying that my PC won't support Windows 11 when it's available, so maybe time for a new one.
Your PC being old is unlikely to be the cause. More likely to be an ad-blocker, blocked cookies, an over zealous security setting in your browser or a firewall issue. Have you tried turning the ad-blocker off when you are on the fishy?
My PC is old now and probably needs a good tune up. I have had a notification saying that my PC won't support Windows 11 when it's available, so maybe time for a new one.
Windows 11 has been available for a few months. ;)
Wouldn't bother with Windows 11 myself. Win 10 doesn't work properly most of the time yet! Win 10 will be supported for another 3 and a half years at least so keep your PC going if it's still working OK.
At work we use pretty old PCs and everything works absolutely fine on them.
Try clearing cookies for The Fishy. That will probably fix the issue. This link tells you how to do it:
Windows 11 has been available for a few months. ;)
Wouldn't bother with Windows 11 myself. Win 10 doesn't work properly most of the time yet! Win 10 will be supported for another 3 and a half years at least so keep your PC going if it's still working OK.
At work we use pretty old PCs and everything works absolutely fine on them.
Try clearing cookies for The Fishy. That will probably fix the issue. This link tells you how to do it:
You think the Tories are going to keep Johnson in for another couple of years after his personal ratings dropped below those Corbyn had at the end of his leadership?
They’ll let him carry the can for an awful set of local elections in May, plus tax and energy bill rises in April, and they’ll jettison him.
It’s short termism from Starmer, who’s enjoying his poll lead at the minute but not dragging anywhere near enough Tory support over. He’s got no offer, which is why Tories are turning to “don’t know” rather than the Tory-lite party.
You’re operating under the false premise that 54 (or 53 after the defection yesterday changed the arithmetic) letters going into Graham Brady.will finish Johnson off.
It would just trigger a yes/no vote in Johnson. The conceived wisdom was always that if a leader didn’t get the backing of around 2/3rds of MPs then the leader would resign. Theresa May got just 63% when she faced a vote of no confidence, but even though it was just below the level she had privately set herself for resignation she carried on.
Johnson won’t have that belief that he requires a good majority to carry on. He’d carry on as normal if we wins by 1 vote. Give me one example where Boris Johnson has played by any of the conceived rules of life. I refer you to what one of his masters at Eton said about him in a letter to his father.
It’s going to take 1 of 2 things to get rid of Johnson before May 2024. 1) He resigns. Very unlikely even if Sue Gray’s report is as bad as it appears it will be for him. He didn’t care about COVID rules so why would he voluntarily follow rules on ministerial standards? And 2) He’s forced out by a mass cabinet resignation. Again unlikely as he’s filled his cabinet with spineless sycophants and over promoted incompetent MPs who wouldn’t get such senior roles with any other PM. You might get the odd one or two resign but not enough to cause more than a minor wobble.
If they don’t jettison Johnson now it won’t happen. I’m about 60/40 that it will be Johnson v Starmer in May 2024.
Johnson would have loved a no confidence vote before Sue Gray’s report is published. That way he would have won the vote and be safe from another vote for a year. But for the defection it probably would have been triggered yesterday. Which is exactly why Starmer & Labour timed it hours before the letters would have gone in. And it worked. It made enough Tory MPs wobble and delay.
And all this Tory-lite rubbish is as boring now as it was back in 1945. Eden won 2 elections but wasn’t considered left wing enough for some. And Harold Wilson faced the same criticism when he was PM with the left wing bitter about what would have happened if Hugh Gaitskill hadn’t died. And I don’t need to explain about Tony Blair do I? Eventually the penny will drop and people will realise that Labour will never win an election with a proper old school socialist as leader. Labour wins when they dominate the middle ground with a centre-left leader.
I’m in the camp of wanting a Labour government doing what they can rather than being unelectable and in endless opposition.
Posted by: Humbercod, January 20, 2022, 6:48am; Reply: 232
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And all this Tory-lite rubbish is as boring now as it was back in 1945. Eden won 2 elections but wasn’t considered left wing enough for some. And Harold Wilson faced the same criticism when he was PM with the left wing bitter about what would have happened if Hugh Gaitskill hadn’t died. And I don’t need to explain about Tony Blair do I? Eventually the penny will drop and people will realise that Labour will never win an election with a proper old school socialist as leader. Labour wins when they dominate the middle ground with a centre-left leader.
I’m in the camp of wanting a Labour government doing what they can rather than being unelectable and in endless opposition.
Just goes to show then that the old adage of only a homosexual paper difference between the party’s is sadly quite true especially at the present time. Middle ground is just a continuation of the same excrement. Those voters that want to see real change with true Labour/Conservative values implemented are just wasting their votes on these shills. You’ve only got to look at the recent defection to confirm my point an honourable politician would never cross to a party they are diametrically opposed.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 20, 2022, 7:05am; Reply: 233
Just goes to show then that the old adage of only a homosexual paper difference between the party’s is sadly quite true especially at the present time. Middle ground is just a continuation of the same excrement. Those voters that want to see real change with true Labour/Conservative values implemented are just wasting their votes on these shills. You’ve only got to look at the recent defection to confirm my point an honourable politician would never cross to a party they are diametrically opposed.
Haha. You think Johnson’s government is in the centre ground of UK politics? We have a government who wants allowing protests to be in the gift of the Home Secretary.
And diametrically opposed? That only applies to the minority of people on the far fringes who have tunnel vision about what the world should be like. The majority who go into politics are actually good, honest people who do it to make the country a better place for the people they represent.
Just because the Conservatives have fallen to a leader who doesn’t have that decency or sense of public service and Labour did previously doesn’t mean the majority aren’t in it for the right reasons.
Coincidentally, about an hour before the defection was announced a Labour voting caller from the Bury South constituency phoned in to James O’Brien on LBC and was praising Christian Wakefield as a good, hardworking MP. A good example that some people can see through the colour of the rosette.
Posted by: ska face, January 20, 2022, 9:16am; Reply: 234
And all this Tory-lite rubbish is as boring now as it was back in 1945. Eden won 2 elections but wasn’t considered left wing enough for some. And Harold Wilson faced the same criticism when he was PM with the left wing bitter about what would have happened if Hugh Gaitskill hadn’t died. And I don’t need to explain about Tony Blair do I? Eventually the penny will drop and people will realise that Labour will never win an election with a proper old school socialist as leader. Labour wins when they dominate the middle ground with a centre-left leader.
I’m in the camp of wanting a Labour government doing what they can rather than being unelectable and in endless opposition.
Oh I do apologise that wanting a change in the material conditions of life, and seeing parliamentary politics as a way of achieving this, is boring to you. I’ll just let you get on with this Punch & Judy show, red/blue charade that you seem to find much more comforting.
Energy bills are going up by as much as £1500 a year in April. Starmer’s BIG OFFER is temporarily cutting this by the 5% VAT on top. This after he stood on a platform of “common ownership” of utilities in his leadership bid. Forgive me for stating that this is absolute píss, not even the crumb’s off the master’s table, and makes fúck all difference to anyone’s life regardless of what colour rosette he’s wearing.
And this from the party who are supposedly meant to represent the collective force of labour in this country? You and the rest of the rubes are welcome to it.
Posted by: Humbercod, January 20, 2022, 10:02am; Reply: 235
Haha. You think Johnson’s government is in the centre ground of UK politics? We have a government who wants allowing protests to be in the gift of the Home Secretary.
And we have a Labour Party that voted against a free speech bill! You vote Red you get Blue and vice versa.
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And diametrically opposed? That only applies to the minority of people on the far fringes who have tunnel vision about what the world should be like. The majority who go into politics are actually good, honest people who do it to make the country a better place for the people they represent.
You only have to look at the career history of some of these MP’s to understand why they are so out of touch with their electorate. I don’t doubt some of them are good, honest people likewise they’re are many purely there for self interest first and foremost and will feel very comfortable on the middle ground.
I actually sympathies with Corbyn voters who wanted real change and I’ve no doubt he was serious, I’ve also no doubt he would of been an absolute disaster but that’s just my opinion, the point is he offered a genuine alternative. Unlike Johnson who hoodwinked the voters he was supposed to be the tough radical opposite of Corbyn, but NO ..middle ground continuation was always going to be his default and yes I fell for it more the fool me.
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Coincidentally, about an hour before the defection was announced a Labour voting caller from the Bury South constituency phoned in to James O’Brien on LBC and was praising Christian Wakefield as a good, hardworking MP. A good example that some people can see through the colour of the rosette.
Is this the same bloke the caller was talking about?
What we are seeing is a paradigm shift whereby the Labour Party no longer represents those working-class communities. It is no longer listening to those working-class voters. Thankfully, on this side of the Chamber we do listen.”
Christian Wakefield, 20th July 2021
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 20, 2022, 1:07pm; Reply: 236
Is this the same bloke the caller was talking about?
What we are seeing is a paradigm shift whereby the Labour Party no longer represents those working-class communities. It is no longer listening to those working-class voters. Thankfully, on this side of the Chamber we do listen.”
Christian Wakefield, 20th July 2021
There’s no point having a mind if you can’t change it.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, January 20, 2022, 1:24pm; Reply: 237
Oh I do apologise that wanting a change in the material conditions of life, and seeing parliamentary politics as a way of achieving this, is boring to you. I’ll just let you get on with this Punch & Judy show, red/blue charade that you seem to find much more comforting.
Energy bills are going up by as much as £1500 a year in April. Starmer’s BIG OFFER is temporarily cutting this by the 5% VAT on top. This after he stood on a platform of “common ownership” of utilities in his leadership bid. Forgive me for stating that this is absolute píss, not even the crumb’s off the master’s table, and makes fúck all difference to anyone’s life regardless of what colour rosette he’s wearing.
And this from the party who are supposedly meant to represent the collective force of labour in this country? You and the rest of the rubes are welcome to it.
This is a big part of why Labour were unelectable. Calling people scum because they don’t believe in the Socialist utopian dream they have and wondering why they wouldn’t vote for that party in a general election.
I couldn’t care less what his voting record is like if he’s realised (for whatever reason) that his former party has damaged, is damaging and will continue to damage the lives of millions and millions of people in this country and had defected to a party that cares for and will put the hardworking low paid and the vulnerable in our society first.
I have never lived in poverty, but I can assure you from my life experiences that people in poverty live from day to day. They are worried about heating their homes today, not fixing the whole system so a couple of years down the line things will be better.
Thatcher didn’t change Britain forever the day after she was elected. She did what she did slowly over more than a decade and 3 good majority election wins. Worth remembering.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 20, 2022, 8:31pm; Reply: 238
Starmer just isn't radical enough for my liking and the guy could put a glass eye to sleep. However, the electorate have shown they have no appetite for a left wing government, so it's a choice of either the Tories or watered down Tories.
Anyone even slightly left leaning will be destroyed by the Tory press and the electorate will lap it up unfortunately. They can't seem to grasp that the Tories don't give a flying fook about them.
Corbyn's policies weren't even that left wing but he had no chance. I recently listened to a podcast he did with Alexei Sayle and some of the stuff he cited that the press reported about him was laughable. One of the most bizarre was a newspaper that claimed he had a Maoist bicycle.
For Corbyn, read Milliband or 'Red Ed' as the papers called him. Then there is Foot and Kinnock before them.
I always think Back to John Smith and the way British politics would have gone had he not died suddenly. Would almost certainly have won the election and things may have turned out differently for our country.
Posted by: ska face, January 20, 2022, 8:39pm; Reply: 239
I think I’ve had this discussion with you before as I seem to remember thinking you were being performatively stupid. There’s no way you can believe a single word of what you’ve just written and I really fear for you, and the rest of of the country, if you do.
Starmer’s Labour will put the nation’s “hardworking and vulnerable” first? Rachel Reeves said Labour in 2015 would be harder than the Tories on benefit claimants. Yvette Cooper, recently brought back to the front bench, introduced the dehumanising and demeaning fit-for-work assessments as a way of punishing people back into work. Wes Streeting only last week promoted greater privatisation of health care. Both he and Starmer are linked to funders who have a major interest in private healthcare. Almost the entire PLP abstained on the welfare bill in 2015. Starmer ignored the Royal College of Nurses’ requests for a 15% pay increase and recommended a miserly 2.1%.
The worst thing is how gullible you must be to have swallowed the line that a fair living wage, a programme of council house building and corporation tax in line with what is was under David Cameron is a “socialist utopia”. God help us.
Posted by: DB, January 21, 2022, 4:35pm; Reply: 240
Starmer just isn't radical enough for my liking and the guy could put a glass eye to sleep. However, the electorate have shown they have no appetite for a left wing government, so it's a choice of either the Tories or watered down Tories.
Anyone even slightly left leaning will be destroyed by the Tory press and the electorate will lap it up unfortunately. They can't seem to grasp that the Tories don't give a flying fook about them.
Corbyn's policies weren't even that left wing but he had no chance. I recently listened to a podcast he did with Alexei Sayle and some of the stuff he cited that the press reported about him was laughable. One of the most bizarre was a newspaper that claimed he had a Maoist bicycle.
For Corbyn, read Milliband or 'Red Ed' as the papers called him. Then there is Foot and Kinnock before them.
I always think Back to John Smith and the way British politics would have gone had he not died suddenly. Would almost certainly have won the election and things may have turned out differently for our country.
I agree with you John Smith would have made a good prime minister.
Posted by: Stadium, January 24, 2022, 6:58pm; Reply: 241
Lord Agnew, a Treasury minister with responsibility for cross-government efficiency, said "a combination of arrogance, indolence and ignorance" was "freezing the government machine".
He accused the government of making "schoolboy errors" by giving loans to over 1,000 companies who were not trading when Covid struck.
"I hope that as a virtually unknown minister beyond this place giving up my career might prompt others to get behind this and sort it out," he said.
Posted by: Teesknees, February 5, 2022, 10:23pm; Reply: 242
Posted by: Stadium, March 17, 2022, 4:37pm; Reply: 243
What’s the betting Bojo had notice of this when he went to UAE to ask for a cup of crude. Probably part of the ‘deal’.
Posted by: Maringer, March 17, 2022, 9:32pm; Reply: 245
Not really fire and rehire - more a case of fire after shipping in cheaper workers from abroad.
Wow, who'd have thought that a business owned by one of the Gulf states might not treat its staff very well? Same company is in the running for operation of the much-lauded freeports so we can probably expect indentured labour in Immingham before too long.
Posted by: codcheeky, March 18, 2022, 11:44am; Reply: 246
Not really fire and rehire - more a case of fire after shipping in cheaper workers from abroad.
Wow, who'd have thought that a business owned by one of the Gulf states might not treat its staff very well? Same company is in the running for operation of the much-lauded freeports so we can probably expect indentured labour in Immingham before too long.
Donors to the Tory Party so little will be done. I have been told apparently this is against EU law and none of the 300 French employees have been fired
Posted by: KingstonMariner, March 18, 2022, 2:45pm; Reply: 247
Donors to the Tory Party so little will be done. I have been told apparently this is against EU law and none of the 300 French employees have been fired
Unless TUPE has been repealed since leaving the EU, it’s illegal here. Then there’s other employment regulations outside of that that requires consultation.
It comes to it when even Grant Shitts is calling it out.
Might want to have a look at the small print on the furlough arrangements too.
Posted by: chaos33, March 18, 2022, 7:27pm; Reply: 248
If we’d still been in the EU, those poor workers who have families would have had rights and couldn’t have been ‘sacked’ on the spot via zoom which is immoral and appalling. There would need to be a notice and consultation period, which is morally correct. These are real lives. Not numbers in a f@cking ledger. Another brexit benefit bites. Let’s diminish human and workers rights, and then pretend we care. F@cking disgraceful.
Posted by: Stadium, March 18, 2022, 7:31pm; Reply: 249
Unless TUPE has been repealed since leaving the EU, it’s illegal here. Then there’s other employment regulations outside of that that requires consultation.
It comes to it when even Grant Shitts is calling it out.
Might want to have a look at the small print on the furlough arrangements too.
It wasn't a TUPE situation.
LBC's legal expert Daniel Barnett tells Tom Swarbrick that the sacking of 800 seafarers by P&O Ferries to replace them with foreign staff was illegal, and explains what compensation staff are entitled to.
"It is illegal, of course it is... It's unlawful in the sense that the employees will be entitled to certain amounts of compensation," Daniel told Tom.
"There's three sets of compensation they'll be entitled to get.
"First off, notice pay - that might be a little bit for new employees, much more for long serving employees.
"Second of all, a statutory redundancy payment, again, less for new employees, generally a cap of about £10,000 on that.
"And also something called a protective award, which is an award that tribunals give if there hasn't been proper consultation before a dismissal, and that's up to 90 days' pay."
Daniel continued: "What I imagine P&O have done here is they've taken a calculated, cynical view that it's cheaper to get the new agency labour in today and pay this compensation a year down the line, because that's how long it takes for the case to get to court, than it would be to do it properly and have full consultation with the union."
Daniel has also written for LBC outlining what the fallout of the sackings will be for P&O and its staff.
"[It] is a huge bill for P&O, although if the company goes into liquidation, which it denies it will, it is the government and hence, the taxpayer, who will end up paying it," Daniel has written.
He added: "In addition, there is the possibility of P&O being liable for substantial unfair dismissal awards, although there are a number of defences open to it including dire financial need, and that consultation would not have made any difference to what they had to do to save the company.
"Agency workers are not always cheaper. For a start, there is the agency fee that P&O will have to pay on top of the worker’s salary, holiday pay and national insurance. But the chances are that the agency workers will start from a much lower base salary, without having accrued the often decades’ worth of pay increases and benefits that many of the dismissed employees would have had."
Daniel has also explained that there are other issues when losing a skilled workforce and replacing them with agency workers, including whether the new agency workers will know how to evacuate the ferries in an emergency, be sufficiently trained in first aid, or have any interest in providing good customer service.
"And what about the downtime while ferries are re-crewed?" Daniel asked.
"Passengers who now cannot reach their destination may have a claim against P&O, although there will be complex arguments around how P&O's terms and conditions would impact a passenger’s right to claim compensation.
"It is reported that the dismissed employees will be able to apply to the agencies for work, although the jobs offered will inevitably be on the lower pay and inferior terms that P&O will be offering through agencies.
"The practice of ‘fire and rehire’ always attracts criticism when businesses use that tactic to impose pay cuts. But this is not ‘fire and rehire’. It’s just ‘fire’."
Posted by: Stadium, March 18, 2022, 7:34pm; Reply: 250
Well done though addressing the chairman who left last year.
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Posted by: KingstonMariner, March 18, 2022, 7:52pm; Reply: 251
Stadium, if the new staff are agency workers, their employer has effectively taken over the provision of the service provided by the P&O employees. P&O gave effectively transferred the undertaking to a new organisation. TUPE therefore applies. The P&O employees should have transferred with the work.
Or has TUPE been cancelled since Brexit?
Posted by: Stadium, March 18, 2022, 8:15pm; Reply: 252
Stadium, if the new staff are agency workers, their employer has effectively taken over the provision of the service provided by the P&O employees. P&O gave effectively transferred the undertaking to a new organisation. TUPE therefore applies. The P&O employees should have transferred with the work.
Or has TUPE been cancelled since Brexit?
Its unlawful what they enforced but are willing to pay the compensation which a tribunal would have awarded Note no reference to TUPE in any employment lawyer comments or union statements.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, March 19, 2022, 11:18am; Reply: 253
Remember when the country was up in arms and calling for Boris Johnson's resignation because of the Owen Patterson shitshow/MPs with ridiculously high paid second jobs used mostly for lobbying purposes? People probably forgot about it due to the Downing Street Covid party's, Boris Johnson's subsequent set of lies denying anything ever took place, continuing police investigation and calls for Boris Johnson to resign, which was probably also forgot about because of the invasion of Ukraine.
Well any plans to even look at the murky field of MPs second jobs have been dropped.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 21, 2022, 7:11pm; Reply: 258
Cheers chaos, that made me laugh.
I shouldn't laugh, because it's obscene what the Tories are doing, but their incompetence is getting to the point of absurdity and there is no other way to view them than as an utter joke and a parody of a party that has any idea what they are doing other than wreaking havoc and lining their pockets.
It's astonishing that he and they have survived this long.
Posted by: Stadium, June 22, 2022, 8:29pm; Reply: 259
The Tories have already let him come back once. Just another 7 lives left now.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 30, 2022, 9:09pm; Reply: 261
Private members club. Seems their members weren't private enough. ;)
They really are a bunch of sh1ts, the lot of them.
Posted by: codcheeky, June 30, 2022, 11:16pm; Reply: 262
Johnson's press mates keeping stuff out the news
Posted by: Maringer, June 30, 2022, 11:41pm; Reply: 263
I doubt anybody is surprised, but it will be interesting to see if the story gets any traction now that Private Eye has reported on it. I have a feeling it might well lose Johnson a lot of votes in some of the age groups where he needs to keep the electorate on his side (hence the triple-lock etc).
Probably won't be reported by a number of outlets - nothing appearing on the BBC or even the Guardian as yet but I expect that the Yanks at least will be on board quickly due to the Clintonesque aspects of the story and it would be very telling if a overseas media frenzy about it was ignored here in the UK.
I personally couldn't give a toss about the story itself - the useless tosspot has done many, many worse things which have impacted millions in the country so I can't get up any outrage about him getting an inappropriate blowie from a gold digger. Erm, allegedly.
Posted by: Hagrid, June 30, 2022, 11:48pm; Reply: 264
Dirty old pig.
I flipping despise the lot of them. Tory Scum
Posted by: codcheeky, July 1, 2022, 4:46pm; Reply: 265
The Tories have already let him come back once. Just another 7 lives left now.
He’s resigned as a whip and Boris says the matters closed. It’s seems a strange situation when one man is forced to resign for watching porn and another is allowed to carry on as an MP despite admitting sexual assault
Posted by: Maringer, July 1, 2022, 4:54pm; Reply: 266
I think the porn guy resigned because he was just embarrassed and didn't want to string it out. This guy (given a pretty senior deputy whip role by Johnson) likes to grope men while drunk so much that he was reportedly given a minder to keep him from going off the rails. Must have been the minder's night off.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, July 1, 2022, 10:30pm; Reply: 267
I think the porn guy resigned because he was just embarrassed and didn't want to string it out. This guy (given a pretty senior deputy whip role by Johnson) likes to grope men while drunk so much that he was reportedly given a minder to keep him from going off the rails. Must have been the minder's night off.
Or he groped the minder.
Posted by: Stadium, July 10, 2022, 4:46pm; Reply: 268
What an absolutely despicable and sorry excuse for an MP she is. She clearly lacks the intelligence and credibility to hold true debate so brings the discussion down to what she knows-the gutter!
If she had an once of self awareness she’d be humiliated but by association we’re the ones left embarrassed that she represents our town. Nici is a sycophantic and bootlicking fraud!
Posted by: HerveJosse, July 10, 2022, 5:36pm; Reply: 271
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, July 10, 2022, 6:40pm; Reply: 273
Nici's probably using it as a platform for her leadership bid.
Posted by: ginnywings, July 10, 2022, 6:54pm; Reply: 274
Liar Nici.
She defends a serial adulterer on a daily basis, yet has the gall to bring into question the morals of others.
Disgusting, sycophantic nobody.
Posted by: Maringer, July 10, 2022, 8:08pm; Reply: 275
Low-rent, even for a Tory MP. Notably, it is directly contradictory to Johnson's response when the story was first crapped out by the gutter press, though admittedly, there's a good chance he was lying about being angry with the story.
Posted by: aldi_01, July 10, 2022, 8:59pm; Reply: 276
Ironic really don’t you think? A woman who has gushed like a lovesick teenager over Boris throughout his tenure. She has spent the entirety of his reign on her knees, desperate for some recognition and acknowledgment and then, when literally everyone resigns, she still can’t get a real cabinet job, instead she gets an underling role in a made up group to deal with an issue created by her own party.
The woman is a flipping disgrace and an embarrassing one at that…imagine being so irrelevant that you can’t get a real cabinet job when there’s literally nobody left…
I pity the morons that voted for her…
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2022, 8:35am; Reply: 277
Sickly embarrassing she may be I wouldn’t disagree, but I’d also say she’s staunchly loyal a rare quality in a modern day MP. Give her massive credit for calling out that slapper Rayner and rendering her false misogyny card invalid.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 11, 2022, 8:49am; Reply: 278
Sickly embarrassing she may be I wouldn’t disagree, but I’d also say she’s staunchly loyal a rare quality in a modern day MP. Give her massive credit for calling out that slapper Rayner and rendering her false misogyny card invalid.
What happened to you to make you such a sad, bitter woman hater?
Angela Rayner is a brilliant woman and an incredible politician. You’re not fit to lick her boots.
Non-fascists reading this post should listen to her interview on James O’Brien’s podcast…
A remarkable life story. Parliament needs more PMs like her.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, July 11, 2022, 1:16pm; Reply: 279
It always amuses me that the tories just can't handle Angela Raynor and resort to basic name calling. She is a prime example of what the tories say people should do, a single mother with no qualifications and a difficult family situation who got a job as a carer and worked her way out of the poverty trap. It just happens that she then became a union rep which goes against all sorts of Tory standards. How dare she try and get organised and help fellow workers, she'll be daring to go to the opera next. And to think tories claim to be promoters of social mobility.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 11, 2022, 1:44pm; Reply: 280
It always amuses me that the tories just can't handle Angela Raynor and resort to basic name calling. She is a prime example of what the tories say people should do, a single mother with no qualifications and a difficult family situation who got a job as a carer and worked her way out of the poverty trap. It just happens that she then became a union rep which goes against all sorts of Tory standards. How dare she try and get organised and help fellow workers, she'll be daring to go to the opera next. And to think tories claim to be promoters of social mobility.
No, the Tories believe people that low down the pecking order are supposed to stay in their lane and doff their caps.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2022, 4:34pm; Reply: 281
A remarkable life story. Parliament needs more PMs like her.
I love women! You can hardly call Rayner that though, rough as arseholes, no class, a typical “do you know who I am!” As people who come across soon find out. she is totally vulgar and with a gob to suit, don’t get me wrong I like the fact they all don’t sound quite like Emily Thornberry but please spare me the remarkable story guff, its an insult to working class single parent mothers to think that her style is acceptable because she was one of them! Reportedly (not denied) also having an affair with a married man, brilliant woman she most certainly isn’t!
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2022, 4:41pm; Reply: 282
Sickly embarrassing she may be I wouldn’t disagree, but I’d also say she’s staunchly loyal a rare quality in a modern day MP. Give her massive credit for calling out that slapper Rayner and rendering her false misogyny card invalid.
I know you always post a load of bigoted, ill informed, semi literate drivel, to the point that I’ve concluded you must actually be a self parody, but that sexist, disgusting bile is right up there with some of your more cretinous posts.
Posted by: chaos33, July 11, 2022, 5:07pm; Reply: 284
And it’s a long f@cking list in a competition between one man and his dimwitted delusions and verbal horsesh1t.
Posted by: chaos33, July 11, 2022, 5:10pm; Reply: 285
For everyone else with a brain and an ounce of human compassion and balance, do enjoy these examples of intelligence and leadership qualities….
Posted by: chaos33, July 11, 2022, 5:11pm; Reply: 286
Posted by: chaos33, July 11, 2022, 5:17pm; Reply: 287
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2022, 8:33pm; Reply: 288
I know you always post a load of bigoted, ill informed, semi literate drivel, to the point that I’ve concluded you must actually be a self parody, but that sexist, disgusting bile is right up there with some of your more cretinous posts.
Sexist! 😂 triggered Lefty’s like you could suck the life out of stag do in Prague! Does it make you feel all morally superior firing off you’re PC claptrap on a thread topic called Tory Vermin 😂… you couldn’t make it up it’s just stuffed full of stinking liberal hypocrisy this forum. You make me laugh it doesn’t matter who the Tories put forward you and the rest will pull them down, they will never be good enough, you wouldn’t give them a chance like the little bullies you are. And yet the same people have told me on here over time that the likes of Abbot, Phillips, Long Bailey, Thornberry and Rayner are actually credible MP’s Now that’s flipping parody😂
Posted by: aldi_01, July 11, 2022, 8:43pm; Reply: 289
Sexist! 😂 triggered Lefty’s like you could suck the life out of stag do in Prague! Does it make you feel all morally superior firing off you’re PC claptrap on a thread topic called Tory Vermin 😂… you couldn’t make it up it’s just stuffed full of stinking liberal hypocrisy this forum. You make me laugh it doesn’t matter who the Tories put forward you and the rest will pull them down, they will never be good enough, you wouldn’t give them a chance like the little bullies you are. And yet the same people have told me on here over time that the likes of Abbot, Phillips, Long Bailey, Thornberry and Rayner are actually credible MP’s Now that’s flipping parody😂
*your
Posted by: chaos33, July 11, 2022, 8:50pm; Reply: 290
He’s only been told about 20 times mate, but he’s too dense to take on board Key stage 1 literacy. Thicker than Liz Truss and Nadine Dorries (if you can imagine such a thing).
Posted by: chaos33, July 11, 2022, 8:52pm; Reply: 291
Posted by: Humbercod, July 12, 2022, 6:27am; Reply: 292
He’s only been told about 20 times mate, but he’s too dense to take on board Key stage 1 literacy. Thicker than Liz Truss and Nadine Dorries (if you can imagine such a thing).
You Woman Hater!!!! 😱
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 12, 2022, 10:39am; Reply: 293
You’re not intelligent enough to realise why what you said was misogynistic and the words of a woman hater and why those comments you have highlighted aren’t.
You called Angela Rayner a “slapper”. It’s not a term you would use against a man. It is number 1 on the misogynists playlist to insult a woman by referencing to her sex life and inferring she sleeps with a lot of men.
Just calling somebody an idiot isn’t misogynistic on its own unless put into the context of them being idiots because they are women. Chaos33 didn’t do that so his comments are fair comment.
And for the record, Nadine Dorries is an absolute idiot of the highest order. You could probably have a good conversation with her.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 12, 2022, 11:29am; Reply: 294
You’re not intelligent enough to realise why what you said was misogynistic and the words of a woman hater and why those comments you have highlighted aren’t.
You called Angela Rayner a “slapper”. It’s not a term you would use against a man. It is number 1 on the misogynists playlist to insult a woman by referencing to her sex life and inferring she sleeps with a lot of men.
Just calling somebody an idiot isn’t misogynistic on its own unless put into the context of them being idiots because they are women. Chaos33 didn’t do that so his comments are fair comment.
And for the record, Nadine Dorries is an absolute idiot of the highest order. You could probably have a good conversation with her.
i'd put her on the same level as our disgusting boris rimming local MP
Posted by: chaos33, July 12, 2022, 11:55am; Reply: 295
You’re not intelligent enough to realise why what you said was misogynistic and the words of a woman hater and why those comments you have highlighted aren’t.
You called Angela Rayner a “slapper”. It’s not a term you would use against a man. It is number 1 on the misogynists playlist to insult a woman by referencing to her sex life and inferring she sleeps with a lot of men.
Just calling somebody an idiot isn’t misogynistic on its own unless put into the context of them being idiots because they are women. Chaos33 didn’t do that so his comments are fair comment.
And for the record, Nadine Dorries is an absolute idiot of the highest order. You could probably have a good conversation with her.
Absolutely! 😂
I liked the quote I read last week about Nadine Dorries - and I’m paraphrasing….’ Nadine Dorries doesn’t receive stick because she’s a woman. Not even because she’s a sycophant, and a liar and incompetent. She receives stick because she holds a cabinet post, and she’s thick as sh1t’.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 12, 2022, 1:40pm; Reply: 296
I liked the quote I read last week about Nadine Dorries - and I’m paraphrasing….’ Nadine Dorries doesn’t receive stick because she’s a woman. Not even because she’s a sycophant, and a liar and incompetent. She receives stick because she holds a cabinet post, and she’s thick as sh1t’.
Expect her to get a promotion when Liz Truss wins the Tory leadership campaign.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 12, 2022, 4:29pm; Reply: 297
You’re not intelligent enough to realise why what you said was misogynistic and the words of a woman hater and why those comments you have highlighted aren’t.
You called Angela Rayner a “slapper”. It’s not a term you would use against a man. It is number 1 on the misogynists playlist to insult a woman by referencing to her sex life and inferring she sleeps with a lot of men.
Just calling somebody an idiot isn’t misogynistic on its own unless put into the context of them being idiots because they are women. Chaos33 didn’t do that so his comments are fair comment.
And for the record, Nadine Dorries is an absolute idiot of the highest order. You could probably have a good conversation with her.
Wow it’s like a magnet to virtue signallers, look she’s clearly a slapper who allegedly sleeps with married men, I would guess slept herself up the greasy pole, looks and dresses like Lilo Lil has a mouth like a dirty ashtray and a total insult to working class single mums, what kind of woman intentionally flashes her fat thighs at the PM… a slapper in book, and if she was a Tory you two faced fornicators on here would be calling her every name under the sun. Now isn’t that a fact.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 12, 2022, 4:55pm; Reply: 298
Wow it’s like a magnet to virtue signallers, look she’s clearly a slapper who allegedly sleeps with married men, I would guess slept herself up the greasy pole, looks and dresses like Lilo Lil has a mouth like a dirty ashtray and a total insult to working class single mums, what kind of woman intentionally flashes her fat thighs at the PM… a slapper in book, and if she was a Tory you two faced fornicators on here would be calling her every name under the sun. Now isn’t that a fact.
What a sad, pathetic, small minded, little man you are.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 12, 2022, 5:29pm; Reply: 299
Lady and the Tramp
Posted by: aldi_01, July 12, 2022, 8:42pm; Reply: 300
Not sure any argument is best supported by using anything to do with Penny Mordaunt…Christ, her ‘leadership’ campaign video looks like she got Britain First to knock it up for her…
Posted by: Hagrid, July 13, 2022, 10:11am; Reply: 301
Wow it’s like a magnet to virtue signallers, look she’s clearly a slapper who allegedly sleeps with married men, I would guess slept herself up the greasy pole, looks and dresses like Lilo Lil has a mouth like a dirty ashtray and a total insult to working class single mums, what kind of woman intentionally flashes her fat thighs at the PM… a slapper in book, and if she was a Tory you two faced fornicators on here would be calling her every name under the sun. Now isn’t that a fact.
you are an absolute disgrace
Posted by: Humbercod, July 13, 2022, 12:06pm; Reply: 302
Big mouth against someone in the minority (on here) yet not a peep from you and the rest of the mob, when that socialist idiot was calling for suffering and even death towards MP’s or anyone who voted for Johnson! If that had of been me you’d be calling for me to be banned before wheeling out the death of Jo Cox to show the forum how righteous you are… you are a disgrace!
Posted by: chaos33, July 13, 2022, 2:57pm; Reply: 303
Have you ever actually noticed that you’re always in a minority of one on any issue? I mean, if that was me, I’d be asking myself whether or not I needed to reassess some of my opinions or undertake more research, or try to acquire some sort of balance and grasp of facts…., Absolutely nobody agrees with anything I say ever…??! Why could that be..?
Not you though. You still haven’t managed to grasp how to use ‘of’ and ‘have’ correctly despite all the help you’ve been offered with it, or, for that matter, how plurals work. Then you use phrases like ‘virtue signalling’ ‘woke’ and ‘liberal bullies’ - or similar guff you’ve picked up from some client journalist bigot in the right wing media that you don’t understand and can’t explain, in the same hour that you attack an honourable female MP, calling her a ‘slapper’ because you’d heard a rumour and noticed she wears clothes and has legs.
I mean, I’m not telling you what to do, but a certain amount of introspection, self challenge and open mindedness might be in order. You could be happier, more informed, more tolerant, balanced and hey…..you might even grasp how words work.
Posted by: FPVmariner, July 13, 2022, 8:21pm; Reply: 304
I love women! You can hardly call Rayner that though, rough as arseholes, no class, a typical “do you know who I am!” As people who come across soon find out. she is totally vulgar and with a gob to suit, don’t get me wrong I like the fact they all don’t sound quite like Emily Thornberry but please spare me the remarkable story guff, its an insult to working class single parent mothers to think that her style is acceptable because she was one of them! Reportedly (not denied) also having an affair with a married man, brilliant woman she most certainly isn’t!
An alternative view could perhaps be that She made the mistakes of youth that in all fairness, are pretty easy to make. Yet from an initially limited educational background and even more limited financial background She’s managed to push herself to the forefront of British politics. Now I’m no staunch labour voter by any stretch of the imagination but what I do recognise and applaud is Ms Rayners sheer will and refusal to accept that her cards had been dealt. She isn’t perfect and may lack some polish but boy has she got guts and determination. Let’s not allow chauvinistic tendencies try to undermine what our social structure should openly allow. I.e. real ability given the opportunity to rise to the top irrespective of whether silver spoon or influence gives a head start.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 13, 2022, 8:35pm; Reply: 305
Have you ever actually noticed that you’re always in a minority of one on any issue? I mean, if that was me, I’d be asking myself whether or not I needed to reassess some of my opinions or undertake more research, or try to acquire some sort of balance and grasp of facts…., Absolutely nobody agrees with anything I say ever…??! Why could that be..?
Not you though. You still haven’t managed to grasp how to use ‘of’ and ‘have’ correctly despite all the help you’ve been offered with it, or, for that matter, how plurals work. Then you use phrases like ‘virtue signalling’ ‘woke’ and ‘liberal bullies’ - or similar guff you’ve picked up from some client journalist bigot in the right wing media that you don’t understand and can’t explain, in the same hour that you attack an honourable female MP, calling her a ‘slapper’ because you’d heard a rumour and noticed she wears clothes and has legs.
I mean, I’m not telling you what to do, but a certain amount of introspection, self challenge and open mindedness might be in order. You could be happier, more informed, more tolerant, balanced and hey…..you might even grasp how words work.
Eye witnesses heard and reported the not so honourable laughing and joking about the flashing, she’s yet to deny this! Did you not watch Penny Mordaunt destroy her at the dispatch box for her disgraceful false accusations? Absolutely anything but honourable.
I’ve already said I’m in a minority what’s your point? We all know this is a majority left wing forum I’m more than happy with that 😀 Let’s have a look and see what’s put me in a minority lately-
Johnson & Sunak … ‘you girl privates’ ‘I despise the Torys’ Lovely.
I then start a thread on Telford… questioning the lack of interest on this forum, regarding the Muslim grooming gangs raping and killing white working class children. It’s not long before I’m abused! So tolerant.
Like I said I’m more than happy being on my side of the fence. Interesting though how you attack me by belittling my lack of support, typical bully boy tactics. I would guess you didn’t have many friends at school and was bullied yourself not that you’d admit it in front of your fishy comrades.
For the record I get private post supporting me not that I’m bothered either way, people like you make it all the worthwhile call it devilment. And you’re still bitching about my spelling this is crucifying boring but I do love how it triggers you so Mutch😂
Posted by: Humbercod, July 13, 2022, 8:57pm; Reply: 306
An alternative view could perhaps be that She made the mistakes of youth that in all fairness, are pretty easy to make. Yet from an initially limited educational background and even more limited financial background She’s managed to push herself to the forefront of British politics. Now I’m no staunch labour voter by any stretch of the imagination but what I do recognise and applaud is Ms Rayners sheer will and refusal to accept that her cards had been dealt. She isn’t perfect and may lack some polish but boy has she got guts and determination. Let’s not allow chauvinistic tendencies try to undermine what our social structure should openly allow. I.e. real ability given the opportunity to rise to the top irrespective of whether silver spoon or influence gives a head start.
Forgive me but I don’t recognise you username, I take it you’re late to the table on here? My post may seem harsh and unkind but there is a lot more going on here, you see this forum as turned into a bit of a culture war where anyone on the right of mainstream politics is fair game to be abused. God forbid if you’re a Tory voter on here there is nothing worse although Christian faith seems to run it pretty close.
It’s a shame, definitely tedious at times but I like to give as good as I get, plus it passes the time at work, so don’t take me to serious I actually agree with some of what you say regarding Rayner she a strong character no doubt puts some of her male colleagues to shame in that respect, she definitely has some balls…oops here I go again that will trigger them.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 13, 2022, 10:54pm; Reply: 307
Stupid bottom licking cow
The girl at school besotted with the football team captain who hasn’t even acknowledged her
She makes my skin crawl
A pathetic individual
Cretin if the highest order
She makes me sick
Stupid useless bottom licking bat
Just a few quotes from our lovely tolerant fishy lefty’s in regards to the woman that was democratically elected the Grimsby MP!
See how this works on here now😀 Grown Men 😂
Posted by: chaos33, July 13, 2022, 11:17pm; Reply: 308
You’re swimming way out your depth now, without your armbands, flailing about yelling nonsense.
Posted by: ginnywings, July 13, 2022, 11:43pm; Reply: 309
Forgive me but I don’t recognise you username, I take it you’re late to the table on here? My post may seem harsh and unkind but there is a lot more going on here, you see this forum as turned into a bit of a culture war where anyone on the right of mainstream politics is fair game to be abused. God forbid if you’re a Tory voter on here there is nothing worse although Christian faith seems to run it pretty close.
It’s a shame, definitely tedious at times but I like to give as good as I get, plus it passes the time at work, so don’t take me to serious I actually agree with some of what you say regarding Rayner she a strong character no doubt puts some of her male colleagues to shame in that respect, she definitely has some balls…oops here I go again that will trigger them.
I’m sorry but I’m struggling to understand your angle. I was merely pointing out my view on Ms Rayners achievements from my perspective. If you disagree I have no issue with that whatsoever. I’m not a fan and agree She has numerous opportunities to improve but, as someone who has already overcome considerable odds, I’m sure She recognises areas of weakness and will take steps to improve.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 14, 2022, 7:30am; Reply: 311
I’m sorry but I’m struggling to understand your angle. I was merely pointing out my view on Ms Rayners achievements from my perspective. If you disagree I have no issue with that whatsoever. I’m not a fan and agree She has numerous opportunities to improve but, as someone who has already overcome considerable odds, I’m sure She recognises areas of weakness and will take steps to improve.
I would say she’s had numerous opportunities to improve but her gob keeps dropping her in it, which is a shame as her voice is ironically is her best asset. I don’t see these steps to improvement coming anytime soon it would seem that she just doesn’t learn, she’s had many outspoken gaffs that ultimately end in stubbornly late apologies.
You have to give her credit for reaching her position, she has done well for herself granted no doubt about it, but I think it’s quite obvious even to the staunchest of honest Labour supporters that she’s out of her depth as a shadow deputy, and she would clearly be unfit to ever be the leader of this country, just put her up against the average Tory and she gets demolished every time she’s simply just not intelligent enough, and I don’t mean that in a nasty way the vast majority of us do not posses the intelligence required for such a lofty role.
Another thing that needs putting to bed is the criticism she receives because of her background, absolute rubbish it’s got absolutely nothing to do with her accent or working class roots, but my god does she and her supporters play on and use this to counter attack her critics. Not all Tory MPs are born with a silver spoon in their mouth many started out on a council estate and did good for themselves, you wouldn’t know without looking into it because they simply have no need to constantly remind us. Even our own Melanie Onn she did very well for herself lovely Grimsby accent and secondary school educated I believe, but there was never a clamour to defend her because of her working class past, she certainly had the intelligence and also a bit of class something Angela is severely lacking.
Posted by: mariner91, July 14, 2022, 8:56am; Reply: 312
I would say she’s had numerous opportunities to improve but her gob keeps dropping her in it, which is a shame as her voice is ironically is her best asset. I don’t see these steps to improvement coming anytime soon it would seem that she just doesn’t learn, she’s had many outspoken gaffs that ultimately end in stubbornly late apologies.
You have to give her credit for reaching her position, she has done well for herself granted no doubt about it, but I think it’s quite obvious even to the staunchest of honest Labour supporters that she’s out of her depth as a shadow deputy, and she would clearly be unfit to ever be the leader of this country, just put her up against the average Tory and she gets demolished every time she’s simply just not intelligent enough, and I don’t mean that in a nasty way the vast majority of us do not posses the intelligence required for such a lofty role.
Another thing that needs putting to bed is the criticism she receives because of her background, absolute rubbish it’s got absolutely nothing to do with her accent or working class roots, but my god does she and her supporters play on and use this to counter attack her critics. Not all Tory MPs are born with a silver spoon in their mouth many started out on a council estate and did good for themselves, you wouldn’t know without looking into it because they simply have no need to constantly remind us. Even our own Melanie Onn she did very well for herself lovely Grimsby accent and secondary school educated I believe, but there was never a clamour to defend her because of her working class past, she certainly had the intelligence and also a bit of class something Angela is severely lacking.
That's just simply not true is it? Look at the cabinet if you want thick. Raab, Patel, Truss, Dorries are all about as thick as they come. It's a miracle Braverman ever got a degree in Law.
I haven't got time to go through it all right now but if you actually look at some of the aforementioned cabinet members' greatest hits of being thick they're quite astounding. But very quickly Raab thought he'd been a victim of misogyny and didn't understand that the Dover to Calais route was pretty essential for trade with Europe. Both of those things are mind bogglingly thick and I highly doubt you could come up with an example where Angela Rayner has come close to those levels.
Posted by: Chrisblor, July 14, 2022, 12:12pm; Reply: 313
The girl at school besotted with the football team captain who hasn’t even acknowledged her
She makes my skin crawl
A pathetic individual
Cretin if the highest order
She makes me sick
Stupid useless bottom licking bat
Just a few quotes from our lovely tolerant fishy lefty’s in regards to the woman that was democratically elected the Grimsby MP!
See how this works on here now😀 Grown Men 😂
Have you not noticed all those comments are specifically focused on Lia Nici's recent behaviour, which has involved her regularly making ill founded and deeply biased statements which exemplify her lack of understanding and ignorance on various topics, as well as her proclivity towards sucking up to and defending the abhorrent behaviour of our outgoing Prime Minister?
None of them are going ' YEAH LIA NICI IS A PROPER SLAG WHO CAN'T KEEP HER LEGS SHUT' are they, you flipping sexist moron.
Posted by: Rick12, July 16, 2022, 8:35am; Reply: 314
this forum as turned into a bit of a culture war where anyone on the right of mainstream politics is fair game to be abused. God forbid if you’re a Tory voter on here there is nothing worse although Christian faith seems to run it pretty close. .
I try to take a philosophical look on it Humbercod. There's a bit of good to everyone . Having said that it does wind me up a bit when people treat Christianity as a bit of a soft touch and take the mick etc. I was brought up Catholic but see some truth in all religions eg trying to do good eg I don't think no religion or even science can ever get it spot on.
I doubt many people doing the mickey taking out of religion will say it to some people's faces who are deeply religious in the boxing world be it Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Oleksandr Usyk, Connor Benn or Amir Khan .
Posted by: mariner91, July 16, 2022, 10:27am; Reply: 315
I try to take a philosophical look on it Humbercod. There's a bit of good to everyone . Having said that it does wind me up a bit when people treat Christianity as a bit of a soft touch and take the mick etc. I was brought up Catholic but see some truth in all religions eg trying to do good eg I don't think no religion or even science can ever get it spot on.
I doubt many people doing the mickey taking out of religion will say it to some people's faces who are deeply religious in the boxing world be it Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Oleksandr Usyk, Connor Benn or Amir Khan .
So having the ability to knock seven shades out of someone somehow justifies having outdated beliefs?
Since when have Christian beliefs become outdated? Plenty of young people have them so you can hardly call them outdated.
"In the UK, the percentage of the population which describes itself as belonging to no religion has risen from 31.4% to 50.6% between 1983 and 2013 according to the British Social Attitudes Survey’s 31st report issued in 2014. Conversely, the report found that only 41.7% of people in the UK identify as Christians compared to 49.9% in 2008 and 65.2% in 1983. The Church of England has seen the greatest decline in its numbers; membership has more than halved from 40.3% of the population in 1983 to just 16.3% in 2014.
Among people aged between 18 and 24, the incidence of religious affiliation is only 30.7%. It is only amongst the over 55s that the majority of respondents are religious. But even then, only 47% of English funerals in 2012 were performed by the Church of England, Roman Catholic Church, and Methodist Church, down from 59% in 2005."
So only 3 in 10 people between 18-24 have any religion at all and from my own personal experience I'd suggest that a lot of those are not Christian with young people from Muslim and Hindu backgrounds being far more likely to describe themselves as religious.
Posted by: mariner91, July 16, 2022, 11:04am; Reply: 318
And frankly if you still believe in a magic man in the sky despite the plethora of scientific and historic evidence available to us then you're beyond help at this stage. Religions were made up to explain things that early humans couldn't understand or explain and then used for nefarious purposes to control poorly educated populations.
If it brings you some comfort then good for you, crack on. But it should have absolutely no bearing on every day life and government policies in a modern and progressive society.
Posted by: Rick12, July 16, 2022, 11:27am; Reply: 319
So having the ability to knock seven shades out of someone somehow justifies having outdated beliefs?
At the end of the day mariner humans are just evolved animals with a consciousness. In order for respect to be earned sometimes no amount of reasonable debate will get through to some people. Sometimes a bit of physicality does help with certain people .
Ive seen this quite a few times in my life. Where I was working once there was a road rage incident where a driver was given it the big one,honking his horn,swearing etc at a coach driver who was transporting school children to their games session. Soon as the coach driver got out eg 6ft 8 inches of him and 21 stone the car driver hurried back in his car due to being scared. Or the time a priest who I know was about to witness a pickpocket in Madrid take something. He purposely coughed and once the pickpocket saw the size of the priest who was 23 stone and 6 ft 3 he ran away as didn't want to get involved with a guy who was well built .
Posted by: mariner91, July 16, 2022, 11:37am; Reply: 320
At the end of the day mariner humans are just evolved animals with a consciousness. In order for respect to be earned sometimes no amount of reasonable debate will get through to some people. Sometimes a bit of physicality does help with certain people .
Ive seen this quite a few times in my life. Where I was working once there was a road rage incident where a driver was given it the big one,honking his horn,swearing etc at a coach driver who was transporting school children to their games session. Soon as the coach driver got out eg 6ft 8 inches of him and 21 stone the car driver hurried back in his car due to being scared. Or the time a priest who I know was about to witness a pickpocket in Madrid take something. He purposely coughed and once the pickpocket saw the size of the priest who was 23 stone and 6 ft 3 he ran away as didn't want to get involved with a guy who was well built .
It saddens me that you think the ability to beat someone up earns that person respect. An adult should be able to have a disagreement without resorting to violence. And for the record, no I wouldn’t purposefully upset someone who could and possibly would beat the shite out of me. Doesn’t mean I’d respect them though, quite the opposite. If I knew there was an actual chance of them using violence I’d think they’re an emotionally stunted tw@t.
Posted by: Rick12, July 16, 2022, 11:37am; Reply: 321
So only 3 in 10 people between 18-24 have any religion at all and from my own personal experience I'd suggest that a lot of those are not Christian with young people from Muslim and Hindu backgrounds being far more likely to describe themselves as religious.
Your right in a sense in this country more and more people are not identifying with a particular religion but a high proportion worldwide do identify as religious:
It saddens me that you think the ability to beat someone up earns that person respect. An adult should be able to have a disagreement without resorting to violence. And for the record, no I wouldn’t purposefully upset someone who could and possibly would beat the shite out of me. Doesn’t mean I’d respect them though, quite the opposite. If I knew there was an actual chance of them using violence I’d think they’re an emotionally stunted tw@t.
I agree with you mariner but like noted sometimes in life physicality is a advantage . I've seen it in football/life as well where innocent people get started on by gangs of people or individual thugs. Had they had a good physical presence there chances of being started on would of decreased dramatically.
And frankly if you still believe in a magic man in the sky despite the plethora of scientific and historic evidence available to us then you're beyond help at this stage. Religions were made up to explain things that early humans couldn't understand or explain and then used for nefarious purposes to control poorly educated populations.
If it brings you some comfort then good for you, crack on. But it should have absolutely no bearing on every day life and government policies in a modern and progressive society.
Posted by: DB, July 16, 2022, 1:25pm; Reply: 324
Given the OT title, I thought you were describing Boris.
Posted by: Stadium, July 16, 2022, 3:44pm; Reply: 325
Yep wants to stay PM for the summer and do F all apart from take the pay, use the properties, drink as much as he can from the wine cellars and entertain those who will give him lots of money when he leaves. Expect he is even now doing deals for knighthoods and Lordships. Anyone would believe he hadn’t been kicked out in disgrace by his own party
Yep wants to stay PM for the summer and do F all apart from take the pay, use the properties, drink as much as he can from the wine cellars and entertain those who will give him lots of money when he leaves. Expect he is even now doing deals for knighthoods and Lordships. Anyone would believe he hadn’t been kicked out in disgrace by his own party
Posted by: Maringer, July 16, 2022, 6:39pm; Reply: 328
Yep, reportedly Nadine Dorries is to be given a peerage. After Gavin Williamson, you'd have to say, that the standard of members of the House of Lords isn't exactly increasing in quality. Sooner it is abolished, the better, though I doubt we'd be able to get rid of the financial benefits for the toadies ennobled as political favours over the years. Great sinecure for two of the least competent people to become MPs, however. Johnson continuing to spend other people's money with alacrity, despite being on the way out of office.
Posted by: chaos33, July 16, 2022, 8:12pm; Reply: 329
Just more appalling by the day
Posted by: Maringer, July 16, 2022, 8:41pm; Reply: 330
The worst thing for me is that everyone was always joking as to what Williamson had over Johnson considering the jobs he was given despite his utter incompetence in every role. It then emerges that (allegedly), Williamson walked in on Johnson getting noshed off by Carrie in his parliamentary office back in 2018 (when Johnson was still married to the previous wife). Quite obvious corruption if he's giving that incompetent a job either through overt or tacit blackmail. And then a peerage, which is worth hundreds of thousands of pounds over a lifetime, even before considering how much Williamson will be able to make through lobbying to influence policy.
Posted by: aldi_01, July 17, 2022, 7:25am; Reply: 331
The worst thing for me is that everyone was always joking as to what Williamson had over Johnson considering the jobs he was given despite his utter incompetence in every role. It then emerges that (allegedly), Williamson walked in on Johnson getting noshed off by Carrie in his parliamentary office back in 2018 (when Johnson was still married to the previous wife). Quite obvious corruption if he's giving that incompetent a job either through overt or tacit blackmail. And then a peerage, which is worth hundreds of thousands of pounds over a lifetime, even before considering how much Williamson will be able to make through lobbying to influence policy.
Johnson getting to be leader and then winning an election was a prime example of tories desperate for power, continued power. They’re obsessed with it.
This story is not an isolated incident where Johnson is concerned and was mentioned d many years ago that the reason Johnson was ever unlikely to be PM because, as the interviewee in a documentary once said, ‘he’s a lose canon and he needs to put the ladies down else they’ll form part of his down fall…the party don’t want that and can’t trust him…’
Posted by: Humbercod, July 17, 2022, 2:01pm; Reply: 332
Have you not noticed all those comments are specifically focused on Lia Nici's recent behaviour, which has involved her regularly making ill founded and deeply biased statements which exemplify her lack of understanding and ignorance on various topics, as well as her proclivity towards sucking up to and defending the abhorrent behaviour of our outgoing Prime Minister?
None of them are going ' YEAH LIA NICI IS A PROPER SLAG WHO CAN'T KEEP HER LEGS SHUT' are they, you flipping sexist moron.
Recent behaviour? Have you heard yourself!!! Fishy left wing hypocrisy at its finest 😂
For the record Lia gets sexist abuse for supporting her Boss, being a Tory! Let’s not forget what Rayner instigated, let’s not forget that there was 4 people that came forward one including a woman and they testified that Angela told them “ I like to do my Sharon Stone trick to distract Boris…. I cross and uncross my legs” (she has yet to deny this) not the expected behaviour of an honourable MP, but in your language Slaggy behaviour.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 17, 2022, 2:34pm; Reply: 334
I try to take a philosophical look on it Humbercod. There's a bit of good to everyone . Having said that it does wind me up a bit when people treat Christianity as a bit of a soft touch and take the mick etc. I was brought up Catholic but see some truth in all religions eg trying to do good eg I don't think no religion or even science can ever get it spot on.
I doubt many people doing the mickey taking out of religion will say it to some people's faces who are deeply religious in the boxing world be it Tyson Fury, Deontay Wilder, Oleksandr Usyk, Connor Benn or Amir Khan .
This forum has become a total echo chamber, anybody that doesn’t conform to the mobs way of thinking, then expect to be ridiculed and verbally abused. Many posters right of centre simply disappear, I’ve had private messages telling me to keep up the fight, whilst not posting on here themselves, it’s sad really as I don’t want to fight with anyone. I’ve been banned at least three time for saying things that nobody would of batted an eyelid if I was coming from a left wing perspective.
There are some good people that I’ve had some right ding dongs with, I used to even have some good banter with one or two and they never gave me foul mouth abuse, I respect them and their opinion. But just lately it’s become more hateful and aggressive In tone, now people may throw this back at me, but I can guarantee I have only ever gave abuse back in reply to an abusive post.
It’s a shame really Rick because we all have one great thing in common and that’s our love for the club it’s why we are here. But one thing for sure Is that I won’t be going anywhere, their red crosses don’t hurt me😂
Posted by: Rick12, July 17, 2022, 2:40pm; Reply: 335
This forum has become a total echo chamber, anybody that doesn’t conform to the mobs way of thinking, then expect to be ridiculed and verbally abused. Many posters right of centre simply disappear, I’ve had private messages telling me to keep up the fight, whilst not posting on here themselves, it’s sad really as I don’t want to fight with anyone. I’ve been banned at least three time for saying things that nobody would of batted an eyelid if I was coming from a left wing perspective.
There are some good people that I’ve had some right ding dongs with, I used to even have some good banter with one or two and they never gave me foul mouth abuse, I respect them and their opinion. But just lately it’s become more hateful and aggressive In tone, now people may throw this back at me, but I can guarantee I have only ever gave abuse back in reply to an abusive post.
It’s a shame really Rick because we all have one great thing in common and that’s our love for the club it’s why we are here. But one thing for sure Is that I won’t be going anywhere, their red crosses don’t hurt me😂
Like you say Humbercod this forum has probably more left wingers than right . Like noted I admire your bottle in many ways in going against the grain.
But ultimately we all have love for this traditional football club Grimsby .Your right there my friend.
Posted by: Hagrid, July 17, 2022, 2:40pm; Reply: 336
All posted by right wing supporters and the daily flipping mail 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yeah but she’s clearly by the footage still an idiot. It’s not even up for debate, she even embarrassed herself on Andrew Marr and he’s no right winger😂
Posted by: codcheeky, July 17, 2022, 2:59pm; Reply: 338
All posted by right wing supporters and the daily flipping mail 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Just watched the Good Morning Briitain one at random and thought Raynor came across very well against the complete job that is Piers Morgan, he seemed to want to pretend Corbyn meant something other than he actually said. Have you watched these clips? Or are you just randomly uploading them from the Tory Party propaganda machine? I cannot understand your hatred of someone who has clearly turned her life around and bettered herself, I am sure if she had done the same and she was wearing a blue rosette instead of red you would be singing her praises. The whole argument in this clip is not real, it is an invented argument about what Labour might have done had they won. It is a totally irrelevant argument for the sake of attacking the left of the Labour Party as was the Modus Operandi of the MSM at the time.
Edit ; Sorry Hagrid I meant to link this to Humbercods post
Posted by: codcheeky, July 17, 2022, 3:32pm; Reply: 339
Like you say Humbercod this forum has probably more left wingers than right . Like noted I admire your bottle in many ways in going against the grain.
But ultimately we all have love for this traditional football club Grimsby .Your right there my friend.
I think it is more to do with the state of the country than left or right. If this forum was active when we decided to invade Iraq the opinions would reflect the anger at that decision. The truth is Johnson has embarrassed us as a country and himself as a person( if he even has the concept of embarrassment), he is unfit to govern and even the Tories have finally had enough of his lies and self serving deceptions. Most of the country are angry at the way him Sunak at all have behaved, I have friends from all sides of the political divide, none of them want to defend Johnson, "well we knew he was a bit of a lad" is the best they can come up with as if it makes his behaviour ok. Even the person who said this knew promoting a known sex pest as then lying about it was the last straw. The truth is Johnson was a fraud who hoodwinked many and like a lot of victims of fraud they do not want to see it. It reminds me of how Holloway was defended right to the end by many on this site even after his involvement in dodgy developments was becoming clear. Johnson is trying to block the inquiry into covid which he is claiming was a major success despite 200,000 deaths , 37 billion wasted on test and trace with no effect at all and worse of all releasing patients into care homes without being tested which cost my grandmother her life. Why would he block anything if it was a success? Why would he not want any mistakes out there to learn from? Twelve years of Tory austerity have seen wages corroded and living standards worsen, who do we blame it not those in charge and responsible? The opposition as Humbercod likes to? As a Christian you should ask yourself what would Jesus say to this shower of greedy, self serving, immoral, adulterers and liars?
I think it is more to do with the state of the country than left or right. If this forum was active when we decided to invade Iraq the opinions would reflect the anger at that decision. The truth is Johnson has embarrassed us as a country and himself as a person( if he even has the concept of embarrassment), he is unfit to govern and even the Tories have finally had enough of his lies and self serving deceptions. Most of the country are angry at the way him Sunak at all have behaved, I have friends from all sides of the political divide, none of them want to defend Johnson, "well we knew he was a bit of a lad" is the best they can come up with as if it makes his behaviour ok. Even the person who said this knew promoting a known sex pest as then lying about it was the last straw. The truth is Johnson was a fraud who hoodwinked many and like a lot of victims of fraud they do not want to see it. It reminds me of how Holloway was defended right to the end by many on this site even after his involvement in dodgy developments was becoming clear. Johnson is trying to block the inquiry into covid which he is claiming was a major success despite 200,000 deaths , 37 billion wasted on test and trace with no effect at all and worse of all releasing patients into care homes without being tested which cost my grandmother her life. Why would he block anything if it was a success? Why would he not want any mistakes out there to learn from? Twelve years of Tory austerity have seen was a corroded and living standards worsen, who do we blame it not those in charge and responsible? The opposition as Humbercod likes to? As a Christian you should ask yourself what would Jesus say to this shower of greedy, self serving, immoral, adulterers and liars?
Mark 12 v 17 is an answer
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, July 17, 2022, 5:12pm; Reply: 341
I was listening to Radio 4 yesterday codcheeky and they were covering Boris Johnstone's university years. Admittedly some people that went to university with him at Oxford did say Boris was a bit of a bluffer with what he said but at the same time others painted him in a good light especially his ability to get along with people from diverse backgrounds.
Yes, I did hear that Alexander helped one poor guy who was schooled at Harrow to integrate into the Bullingdon Club. Diversity in action.
Posted by: codcheeky, July 17, 2022, 5:45pm; Reply: 342
I was listening to Radio 4 yesterday codcheeky and they were covering Boris Johnstone's university years. Admittedly some people that went to university with him at Oxford did say Boris was a bit of a bluffer with what he said but at the same time others painted him in a good light especially his ability to get along with people from diverse backgrounds. I only caught around 20 minutes of this programme but it was interesting to listen to . I think that's the case for all in politics .If you dig deep you can bring flaws up with anyone. Ultimately we have all made mistakes in our younger years.
I didn't realise that was the case with Boris in trying to block the enquiry with Covid . He should own up and try to be honest with his failings . It takes a big man to do that and someone who I would respect more. Iam genuinely sorry to hear about your grandmother though .RIP.
Having said that as a labour supporter(Iam neither left or right politically) surely you must see that left wing politics hasn't got all the answers either and there must be failings on the left side . Just recently for example what came up on my twitter was someone who was trying to prevent knife crime in his neighbourhood blamed successive Labour and Tory governments for not investing in his neighbourhood despite promises from especially Tony Blair who visited the area and despite some initial improvements forget about his area.
I think your right though on Jesus . He would want someone in power who puts fairness,moral character and serving equality for all as benchmarks of a good leader.In some ways the left side probably do side with this more but as in anything in life there is always room for improvement.
Them university years eh when we all joined the Bullingdon club and burnt £50 notes in front of down and outs for a bit of a laugh? The BBC is as complicit in what Johnson has done as any, the governors are appointed by the Government I am not a Labour supporter Rick I am with the Greens, although I have voted for them and thought we had a chance of a different route when Corbyn was in charge. he had a proper green agenda. There was no way that even his own Parliamentary Party would let him get into power, the establishment have a vested interest in maintaining the political status quo. Labour paid the price of not listening to its natural voters, whether they learn which I doubt is another matter. I believe in democratic socialism with a mixed market, that some industries are much too important to be left to private corporations whose main objective is profit for their shareholders and that we need to look after those who are in need. How can it be ok for water companies to pump raw sewage into our seas and rivers because they have taken profits instead of investing? How can it be ok for both the Grimsby and Cleethorpes MPs to vote in Parliament to allow this? How can that benefit their constituents? Why would they vote for it when little kids are paddling and swimming in the sea in their area? Surely this is criminally negligent? How we keep claiming to have the fifth or sixth biggest economy in the world yet more and more relying on foodbanks, and more and more struggling to pay their bills? How will our children and grandchildren ever get on the property ladder? We have 12 years of the same government, the national debt is now three times what it was when they came to power saying the last government spent too much, what has got better? It's 10 years since the 2012 Olympics have a look at the opening ceremony again and see how proud the country was , how patriotic and how hopeful for the future, young people now are disengaging from a society that has left them behind and that is very dangerous.
Posted by: Rick12, July 17, 2022, 5:50pm; Reply: 343
Twelve years of Tory austerity have seen wages corroded and living standards worsen, who do we blame it not those in charge and responsible? The opposition as Humbercod likes to? As a Christian you should ask yourself what would Jesus say to this shower of greedy, self serving, immoral, adulterers and liars?
Edit on Jesus after reading more on the subject ( Iam no biblical scholar )is he probably didn't identity with neither party but had aspects of both eg "Jesus wouldn’t affiliate with a political party because he wasn’t fully liberal or conservative. He was socially conservative yet economically liberal".
I am not a Labour supporter Rick I am with the Greens, although I have voted for them and thought we had a chance of a different route when Corbyn was in charge. he had a proper green agenda. There was no way that even his own Parliamentary Party would let him get into power, the establishment have a vested interest in maintaining the political status quo. Labour paid the price of not listening to its natural voters, whether they learn which I doubt is another matter. I believe in democratic socialism with a mixed market, that some industries are much too important to be left to private corporations whose main objective is profit for their shareholders and that we need to look after those who are in need. .
I've only taken some of your message in segment for the sake of others eg not making it to long. Some good points there to be fair and I like the passion you have for politics. Having said that like in anything taking to the other end of the spectrum eg a leftists extremist agenda you get anarchy and a large breakdown of social order.
Posted by: codcheeky, July 17, 2022, 6:13pm; Reply: 344
Edit on Jesus after reading more on the subject ( Iam no biblical scholar )is he probably didn't identity with neither party but had aspects of both eg "Jesus wouldn’t affiliate with a political party because he wasn’t fully liberal or conservative. He was socially conservative yet economically liberal".
He probably lived in a completely different time with different problems completely. His stories are just a moral code whether you believe him or not, I did not ask which party he would vote for only what you think he would have made of this self serving shower in power. I think a quick link to an American website as to whether he would vote for a Party to the right of the Tories or a Party far to the right of the Tories is little help and little to do with what anyone with any morals would make of Johnson
Posted by: Rick12, July 17, 2022, 6:25pm; Reply: 345
He probably lived in a completely different time with different problems completely. His stories are just a moral code whether you believe him or not, I did not ask which party he would vote for only what you think he would have made of this self serving shower in power. I think a quick link to an American website as to whether he would vote for a Party to the right of the Tories or a Party far to the right of the Tories is little help and little to do with what anyone with any morals would make of Johnson
Yes have to agree. Jesus would of found a lot of failings with Boris Johnson. Saying that he would of found failings with others as well on the left side of politics as well eg Keir Starmer albeit less than Boris . Again it's hypothetical as Jesus died a long time ago . I just wish Theresa May would of been a bit stronger as I liked her. Character wise on the surface seemed good and was very polished.
As noted whoever gets in power will always get their critics left or right politically. Tough job indeed .
Posted by: Stadium, July 17, 2022, 6:50pm; Reply: 346
Yes have to agree. Jesus would of found a lot of failings with Boris Johnson. Saying that he would of found failings with others as well on the left side of politics as well eg Keir Starmer albeit less than Boris . Again it's hypothetical as Jesus died a long time ago . I just wish Theresa May would of been a bit stronger as I liked her. Character wise on the surface seemed good and was very polished.
As noted whoever gets in power will always get their critics left or right politically. Tough job indeed .
Did you agree with policy of creating a “Hostile Environment” and Mrs. May enforcing it??
Posted by: chaos33, July 17, 2022, 6:59pm; Reply: 347
Edit on Jesus after reading more on the subject ( Iam no biblical scholar )is he probably didn't identity with neither party but had aspects of both eg "Jesus wouldn’t affiliate with a political party because he wasn’t fully liberal or conservative. He was socially conservative yet economically liberal".
I've only taken some of your message in segment for the sake of others eg not making it to long. Some good points there to be fair and I like the passion you have for politics. Having said that like in anything taking to the other end of the spectrum eg a leftists extremist agenda you get anarchy and a large breakdown of social order.
Don’t want to be dismissive chaps, but that is as good as fiction.
Posted by: Rick12, July 17, 2022, 7:14pm; Reply: 348
Did you agree with policy of creating a “Hostile Environment” and Mrs. May enforcing it??
Not overly into politics but wish she could of dealt with things more at the base level. Since human evolution as you know greed and corruption have been part of the human story. More we try to eliminate this the better our world will be .
Don’t want to be dismissive chaps, but that is as good as fiction.
Your missing the deeper picture. Again at the time of Jesus's time very little was written on people and even less on a remote Jewish radical which is who Jesus was. There is always going to be doubters to the Jesus story which I see from a historical perspective as a man who tried to do good.
As in life there will always be a small amount of doubters to Jesus.
Funnily enough I was having this debate with Americans of all sides politically. A few said something which at the time made me smile but on deeper reflection have a point eg if Jesus was alive today he would of been killed.
A lot wrong with our world today but we shouldn't loose hope.
Posted by: ginnywings, July 17, 2022, 7:26pm; Reply: 349
What would Jesus have done?
May as well ask what Popeye would have done.
I thought this was a political debate and here we are shoehorning religion in yet again.
Don’t want to be dismissive chaps, but that is as good as fiction.
A strange comment as Jesus was proven by history to have lived on this earth.
Posted by: chaos33, July 17, 2022, 7:52pm; Reply: 351
It’s not strange. Historians can also prove that there are people who have lived called Keith, or Sanjay, or Jacob, or Horst, or Mahammed…..whatever you like. This is a political debate.
It’s not strange. Historians can also prove that there are people who have lived called Keith, or Sanjay, or Jacob, or Horst, or Mahammed…..whatever you like. This is a political debate.
And books by Netherland authors of the most relevant history of the 20th C exclude WW2
Posted by: ginnywings, July 17, 2022, 8:06pm; Reply: 354
I thought this was a political debate and here we are shoehorning religion in yet again.
It is a political debate, please read the preceding posts to see who raised the religious angle. I previously asked a perfectly reasonable policy question & the response was "Not overly into politics " followed by waffle. On a political thread???
I thought this was a political debate and here we are shoehorning religion in yet again.
Popeye doesn't inspire real world figures that have made lasting positive change.
Key figures throughout history have mirrowed Jesus and been influenced by him . Martin Luther King Jr the civil rights activist who was murdered in 1968 was deeply inspired by his Christian faith for one. Or another favourite actor of mine Denzel Washington. A deeply Christian man that has helped me and many others through his films.
I get some people don't want to hear about Jesus but in this world where there can be so much pain and suffering it's good to hear of positivity and hope sometimes which Jesus resonated with and stood for eg one of love. I note as well national geographic magazine touched on this as well in Julys issue. Jessica Nabongo a former United Nations consultant who had visited every country in the world said "we all need love. We all need community. No matter who you are, where your from those things don't change".
Posted by: ginnywings, July 17, 2022, 8:34pm; Reply: 361
AAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, July 17, 2022, 8:35pm; Reply: 362
Jesus talks a good game but ultimately just another woke leftie. Been rumours about him pulling some underhand trick with some water and getting excrement-faced during lockdown yet always quick to get preachy about others. Hasn't been in the armed forces, weak on immigration, no millionaires in the family so I'm out. Not saying he's a bad guy but he's certainly no Liz Truss.
Posted by: Maringer, July 17, 2022, 8:36pm; Reply: 363
Yeah, and he's known to hang around with a prostitute - you're not trying to tell me there isn't something go on there are you? Stands to reason.
Jesus talks a good game but ultimately just another woke leftie. Been rumours about him pulling some underhand trick with some water and getting excrement-faced during lockdown yet always quick to get preachy about others. Hasn't been in the armed forces, weak on immigration, no millionaires in the family so I'm out. Not saying he's a bad guy but he's certainly no Liz Truss.
He'd definitely be accused of being a woke, snowflake traitor by the Daily Mail and most of the tory party. Self styled patriot Liz Truss would probably nail him to the cross again given half a chance.
Jesus talks a good game but ultimately just another woke leftie. Been rumours about him pulling some underhand trick with some water and getting excrement-faced during lockdown yet always quick to get preachy about others. Hasn't been in the armed forces, weak on immigration, no millionaires in the family so I'm out. Not saying he's a bad guy but he's certainly no Liz Truss.
It is a political debate, please read the preceding posts to see who raised the religious angle. I previously asked a perfectly reasonable policy question & the response was "Not overly into politics " followed by waffle. On a political thread???
This whole debate started to originate because I pointed out that it winds me up that some people have a go at Christianity and mock it. Had they done the same to Islam in many Muslim countries they would of got a beating. Again I don't like violence which isn't controlled eg the boxing ring .
Yeah, and he's known to hang around with a prostitute - you're not trying to tell me there isn't something go on there are you? Stands to reason.
Hangs around with sinners which we all are.
I leave it here lads on Jesus but all Iam saying as Humbercod pointed out is we all have love for Grimsby here whether we disagree with other things or not .
He'd definitely be accused of being a woke, snowflake traitor by the Daily Mail and most of the tory party. Self styled patriot Liz Truss would probably nail him to the cross again given half a chance.
So where in the Holy Bible are you quoting from?
Posted by: Rick12, July 17, 2022, 8:52pm; Reply: 370
Point them to the Jesus thread again DB. Again all I can say is my life has improved since visiting the holy land in 2018 and being inspired from where he use to walk.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, July 17, 2022, 8:55pm; Reply: 371
Never read it. I thought we were having a philosophical chat about Jesus's hypothetical place in the tory party or should that be kept to the Jesus thread?
Posted by: Rick12, July 18, 2022, 9:08am; Reply: 372
It is a political debate, please read the preceding posts to see who raised the religious angle. I previously asked a perfectly reasonable policy question & the response was "Not overly into politics " followed by waffle. On a political thread???
To further clarify on this as I think you missed the deeper picture. Hostile immigration which is what Theresa May was referring to could of been put better by her and I didn't realise she had said this until you pointed it out. She shouldn't of said it and should of been more accommodating of people trying to improve their lives. But I do feel it has to be a collective effort from other countries who are economically able that should also try to help the world's disadvantaged people . Only if everyone pulls together for the better of all can society improve. Again it's a worldwide phenomenon where people often loose their lives in search of a better future .
I often look at the Native American Indians as a prime example of what has been wrong with our human story. A lot of these tribes were living in harmony with nature before others came along and bullied,murdered them of their land.
Posted by: LH, July 18, 2022, 9:57am; Reply: 373
The god squad are worse than flipping vegans. FFS.
The god squad are worse than flipping vegans. FFS.
I don't believe 'The God Squad' brought Jesus into this thread. As Rick pointed out there is a separate thread for Jesus but if somebody involves Jesus in this thread then surely the supporters of Jesus have the right of reply.
Posted by: Stadium, July 20, 2022, 1:59pm; Reply: 375
Martin Vickers, finger on the pulse.
Martin Vickers (Con) asks about a tariff on white fish, and the impact it is having on the seafood industry in his constituency.
Johnson says he wants to encourage the fish and chip industry not to use Russian fish.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 20, 2022, 5:50pm; Reply: 376
So we’re back mocking a certain religious faith again, even knowing that we have posters who take their religion serious!
The fishy tolerant left…stay classy bigots!
Posted by: Humbercod, July 20, 2022, 6:10pm; Reply: 377
I cannot understand your hatred of someone who has clearly turned her life around and bettered herself, I am sure if she had done the same and she was wearing a blue rosette instead of red you would be singing her praises.
I’ve never said I hate her have I? If you keep up you would see that I’ve given her credit for getting where she is!
But she’s simply not fit for her role! one of the biggest self indulgent hypocrites in the public eye, not only making herself look stupid but the party consistently! Only this week she has taken a second job with LBC after saying for years Labour would ban MP’s from this😂 Can you not see the party being led by Starmer is bad enough for them to win an election no matter how bad the Torys get, but with Rayner they have no chance.
If she was wearing blue it wouldn’t matter to me as I’m no Tory! I would be questioning her position just like I questioned Theresa May who in my opinion was also out of her depth, the worst PM we have ever seen in my opinion.
If you want to talk about hate then why never question the nasty attacks on Lia Nica and Priti Patel? Who let’s wait for Truss to be PM then you will see some real gate on here you can question!
I know there is a Jesus thread, I ignore it like the plague. I don't want to post about Jesus, and neither do I want to see it in a political thread.
I respect your faith but we are talking about stuff that is real and tangible, not something that is based in faith.
Surely, Jesus plays for the Aresnal.
Posted by: Stadium, August 25, 2022, 8:50pm; Reply: 383
How anybody could vote for this fool in any capacity is beyond comprehension. An absolute comedy figure.
Rishi Sunak has said he will vote for Liz Truss’s tax-cutting plans in Parliament, even though he has previously branded them a “moral failure”.
The former chancellor has previously refused to say whether he would vote through her promise to reverse his increase in National Insurance, even though he believes it would be inflationary.
But on Thursday he appeared to relent, saying that as a Conservative MP he would do so.
He also said that he will not leave politics if, as expected, he is defeated in the Tory leadership contest in less than two weeks’ time.
On Wednesday, Mr Sunak had declined to say whether he would vote for any kind of fiscal package put together by an incoming Truss administration, while earlier this week he appeared to suggest he would reject any offer to serve in her Cabinet.
He went on to lash out at plans that were “complacent” about the dangers of inflation and questioned how “realistic” the proposals from the Foreign Secretary were.
He has previously warned it would be a “moral failure” if, under Ms Truss, the poorest and most vulnerable fail to be protected amid a cost-of-living crisis.
Speaking ahead of the penultimate leadership hustings in Norwich, the Foreign Secretary hinted at further action down the line to ease the burden of mounting prices.
Ms Truss told reporters at a factory near Norfolk that tax cuts and boosting energy supply were the key to addressing the cost-of-living crunch.
But she added that, if she is elected, her chancellor would look at “what else needs to be done” in a future budget.
Earlier, Mr Sunak told BBC Radio 4’s World at One programme: “Of course, I’d always support a Conservative government. Of course, I would, it goes without saying.
“I believe very strongly in the Conservative Party, and I want it to do well, and I will always, whether as a minister or as a backbencher, always support a Conservative government because I believe that’s the best thing for this country.”
In a Facebook live Q&A on Thursday, shortly before the BBC interview, Mr Sunak had also insisted he was the right person to unite the Conservatives as he insisted his party was a “broad church” and its MPs were not simply “robots”.
On Thursday night Liz Truss vowed to “take on” the so-called “Treasury orthodoxy” that means money is funnelled into areas that have already seen heavy investment in an apparent swipe at Mr Sunak.
Speaking at the penultimate leadership hustings in Norwich, hosted by TalkTV, she said: “I would level up in a Conservative way, by setting up low tax investment zones where local communities want them, driving business, growth and investment.
“And I’ll also take on the Treasury orthodoxy, the rules that currently mean that more investment goes into areas that already have the investment.”
‘I would dispute the characterisation’ He also hit back at suggestions that he might quit politics if he does not win the campaign when asked about the comments made by Dominic Cummings, Boris Johnson’s former senior adviser, that his interview with The Spectator: “reads like a man whose epically bad campaign has melted his brain and he is about to quit politics”.
On whether he will quit if he loses the leadership vote, Mr Sunak said: “Absolutely not. Of course not.
“And I would dispute the characterisation. I’m working incredibly hard, going around the country talking about my ideas for the future, and actually having a very positive reception where I’m going, and I think there’s everything left to play for.
“There’s still weeks to run in this campaign, and that’s why I’m continuing to give it everything I’ve got.”
1-20 for Truss.................
Posted by: ginnywings, August 25, 2022, 9:00pm; Reply: 384
Posted by: chaos33, August 25, 2022, 10:36pm; Reply: 385
And he’d still be better than Liz Truss, god help us
Posted by: diehardmariner, August 26, 2022, 1:24pm; Reply: 386
And he’d still be better than Liz Truss, god help us
I'd say Sunak over Truss would be like trying to climb your way out of a bottomless hole with a slightly firmer, albeit still of a diarrheic consistency, turd as your axe.
Posted by: Maringer, August 26, 2022, 5:50pm; Reply: 387
Tory Vermin:
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Posted by: Humbercod, August 26, 2022, 6:26pm; Reply: 389
☝️From the Man who not only backed all the lockdowns but also criticised the end of lockdown.☝️
Good point but its actually due to Brexit.
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Posted by: Maringer, August 26, 2022, 11:54pm; Reply: 391
I'm unsurprised to see that Humbo is continuing to talk shite. I can't usually see what he's posting but since I'm mentioned in Stadium's quote, I'll waste some time responding.
Yep, I supported the lockdowns because they were necessary. If we had locked down earlier on a couple of occasions, as advocated by the scientists, many tens of thousands of lives would have been saved. We also wouldn't have needed to be under lockdown anywhere near as long as we were. The fact that Sunak is now trying to rewrite history to claim that the failings of his government didn't actually happen and they were misled is nithing but despicable opportunistic bullshit. Of the sort I'd expect from Tory Vermin such as Sunak, in fact.
I also advocated restrictions before last Christmas, seeing that we didn't know WTF would happen with Omicron. 'Luckily', the signal from South Africa that these variants weren't quite as severe as Alpha/Delta in vaccinated/previously-infected populations continued into our population so we've only seen a few tens of thousands of deaths during the ongoing Omicron wave. As modelled, by the scientists in fact. The NHS is on the absolute brink in the middle of the summer due to a combination of a decade of underfunding, the ongoing pandemic and the staff shortages massively exacerbated by Brexit. Let's imagine everything is hunky-dory though, eh?
Posted by: chaos33, August 27, 2022, 7:54am; Reply: 392
Absolutely correct.
Posted by: Stadium, September 4, 2022, 7:00pm; Reply: 393
Changes to the labour laws proposed last year were rapidly dropped by Kwarteng after a leak, which angered unions and had muted support from business. One Conservative source said that Boris Johnson vetoed the plans because they would have gone against his pledge in the Brexit referendum not to strip workers of rights, but that Truss was not bound by such pledges.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, September 15, 2022, 3:45pm; Reply: 394
No windfall tax on energy companies record profits to quell the burden on normal people, tax cuts that will benefit the countrys richest households the most and now plans to lift the cap on bankers bonuses. You can clearly see what their priorities are as torys keep torying.
More trickle down economics and sloppy seconds for the plebs.
Posted by: Maringer, September 15, 2022, 4:12pm; Reply: 395
Don't forget that the energy cap plan will also benefit the wealthy more than the poorest in society. Gotta keep that wealth moving ever-upwards...
Posted by: Maringer, September 23, 2022, 11:44am; Reply: 396
Fecking hell, send in the clowns (Kwarteng and Truss). We're about to see what governance by dodgy right-wing think tanks looks like. Tens of billions of tax cuts announced (most of which go to the wealthy), at the same time that the BoE is increasing interest rates which will intercourse over poorer people with debts, loans and mortgages. Coincidentally, of course, giving more to those with money saved in the bank. BTL landlords who face increases in their mortgage payments will ramp up rental prices which kicks the poorer in society in the nuts yet again.
Also cut is stamp duty which actually leads to further house price increases in the longer term as those selling know they can whack up the house prices to make up the difference in the cuts. It won't make homes more affordable - we're quite deliberately not building enough of them.
The pound is tanking against the dollar as the money markets boggle at WTF we're doing. We've also announced that we're going to borrow the money rather than use an instrument such as QE to fund the expenditure so the 10 year gilt rates are rocketing up and we're going to be paying a lot more interest decades in the future.
A massive gamble on growing our way out of recession (when interest rates are expected to be hiked further!) and, if they are wrong, the UK economy is going to be a basket case for decades. And they are wrong. Even Laffer only claimed tax cuts would increase revenue when taxes were high (thoroughly discredited since) and our rates aren't high!
We're copulated.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, September 23, 2022, 11:57am; Reply: 397
Presumably the plan is for our Victorian Business Secretary to reverse decimalisation, peg the pound to the schilling and imperialise the national debt so none of our creditors can work out how much we owe.
Rees-moggonomics.
Posted by: Maringer, September 23, 2022, 12:09pm; Reply: 398
I'd imagine they'll pick up some disused warehouses for a song and they'll make excellent workhouses.
Posted by: LH, September 23, 2022, 3:23pm; Reply: 399
Be honest: Did anyone who voted for them in 2019 vote for something like this new budget? Would you vote for them if they ran on it?
Posted by: DB, September 23, 2022, 5:16pm; Reply: 400
At the end of the day, there were no credible people standing for election. It was bufoon Boris v Corbyn ( the guy who thinks Putin is great).
Even if we had an election today what is the choice, in reality, not a lot but at the moment labour edge it for me. The sad thing is that we have no statesmen/women but career politicians who are in it for themselves as per the tories and stand out Blair for labour. They lie, bend with the wind and do anything for our vote.
Once elected all recent governments have more leaks than holes in a colander and policies are made to please the press, once they have been sounded out. When the government tell the press what they are going to do before parliament, then any credence they have to govern has been lost. Unfortunately, it has only taken days for this to happen, again.
So for me being neither left nor right is a dilemma of who to vote for, and as I said above I'm done with the tories.
Posted by: DB, September 23, 2022, 5:19pm; Reply: 401
At the end of the day, there were no credible people standing for election. It was bufoon Boris v Corbyn ( the guy who thinks Putin is great).
Even if we had an election today what is the choice, in reality, not a lot but at the moment labour edge it for me. The sad thing is that we have no statesmen/women but career politicians who are in it for themselves as per the tories and stand out Blair for labour. They lie, bend with the wind and do anything for our vote.
Once elected all recent governments have more leaks than holes in a colander and policies are made to please the press, once they have been sounded out. When the government tell the press what they are going to do before parliament, then any credence they have to govern has been lost. Unfortunately, it has only taken days for this to happen, again.
So for me being neither left nor right is a dilemma of who to vote for, and as I said above I'm done with the tories.
The correction bit on my computer wanted to change tories to STORIES!
Posted by: Maringer, September 23, 2022, 5:41pm; Reply: 402
Don't be ridiculous. Corbyn didn't think Putin was great.
Anyhoo, the IFS has run the numbers and... drumroll... you now need to earn £155,000 per year to be better off in comparison to 2020, following the largest tax cuts for almost 40 years. Is this the most ultra-Toryish thing there has ever been?
Posted by: ginnywings, September 23, 2022, 6:15pm; Reply: 403
They are not even trying to make a secret of their wealth distribution toward the top. No matter what they do, the electorate keep on voting them in, so they don't really care that they are blatantly lining the pockets of the minority.
They have even said brazenly that it will benefit the less well off "eventually". So this is the worst form of Thatcherite trickle down economics, but on steroids as someone was quoted as saying.
All workers rights will be trashed and it's basically survival of the fittest.
Posted by: codcheeky, September 23, 2022, 8:46pm; Reply: 404
At the end of the day, there were no credible people standing for election. It was bufoon Boris v Corbyn ( the guy who thinks Putin is great).
Even if we had an election today what is the choice, in reality, not a lot but at the moment labour edge it for me. The sad thing is that we have no statesmen/women but career politicians who are in it for themselves as per the tories and stand out Blair for labour. They lie, bend with the wind and do anything for our vote.
Once elected all recent governments have more leaks than holes in a colander and policies are made to please the press, once they have been sounded out. When the government tell the press what they are going to do before parliament, then any credence they have to govern has been lost. Unfortunately, it has only taken days for this to happen, again.
So for me being neither left nor right is a dilemma of who to vote for, and as I said above I'm done with the tories.
Corbyn warned about Putin for years, Johnson was happy to take money to play tennis with his mates, Johnson was going to parties other KGB agents without security when Foreign Secretary. The first party to celebrate his election win was with the son of a kgb agent who he later made a lord. The Tory party is awash with Russian money, you have been brainwashed to think Corbyn was the one with Russian backing,
Posted by: DB, September 24, 2022, 3:14am; Reply: 405
Corbyn warned about Putin for years, Johnson was happy to take money to play tennis with his mates, Johnson was going to parties other KGB agents without security when Foreign Secretary. The first party to celebrate his election win was with the son of a kgb agent who he later made a lord. The Tory party is awash with Russian money, you have been brainwashed to think Corbyn was the one with Russian backing,
I agree with what you say about Boris, however having reread my post I never said 'Corbyn was the one with Russian backing'. I don't mind criticism but please don't invent words and attribute them to me.
Posted by: mariner91, September 24, 2022, 3:43am; Reply: 406
I agree with what you say about Boris, however having reread my post I never said 'Corbyn was the one with Russian backing'. I don't mind criticism but please don't invent words and attribute them to me.
You said “Corbyn (the guy that thinks Putin is great)” when listing the options at the last election. Yet out of the two of them it’s Johnson who has loads of links to Russia and has accepted donations from Russians multiple times (that we know of!).
You may have some valid reasons as to why you voted for Boris Johnson over Corbyn but starting off by suggesting Russian interference or sympathy towards their despot leader from the latter makes it look like you have no idea what you’re talking about.
Posted by: codcheeky, September 24, 2022, 5:08am; Reply: 407
I agree with what you say about Boris, however having reread my post I never said 'Corbyn was the one with Russian backing'. I don't mind criticism but please don't invent words and attribute them to me.
If you suggest that “Corbyn is the guy that thinks Putin is great” you open yourself up to be challenged on this, the evidence points to the opposite. You never said Corbyn was the one with Russian backing yet you seem to believe the main reason for not voting for him him was his support for Putin which is demonstrably untrue, the Party you did vote for have massive links and donations to Putin and his cronies.
Posted by: ginnywings, September 24, 2022, 1:09pm; Reply: 408
Proof positive that a lot of the electorate believe what the mostly right wing press want them to believe.
Despite all the evidence of Johnsons many misdeeds, before, during and after his election, it's Corbyn who can't be trusted.
Posted by: chaos33, September 24, 2022, 3:31pm; Reply: 409
I agree mate. It’s unbelievable.
Posted by: promotion plaice, September 24, 2022, 8:27pm; Reply: 410
The Tories are simply trying to boost the economy by attracting more high earners, yes they pay less tax but more of them could actually bring in more tax.
Bankers relocating back to the City of London from Frankfurt etc.
It's a risk but it might just work.
Scrapping stamp duty up to £250,000 should also kick start the housing market again.
I very rarely post on these political threads these days, I can't be arsed, bring on the red crosses and Edit abuse again, yawn.
Posted by: Maringer, September 24, 2022, 9:11pm; Reply: 411
Attracting more high earners? How, and from where? Why would they come here? Where would the jobs come from? We're in recession with high inflation and record energy prices so businesses are going to be going bust, not attracting high earners. Insert obligatory mention of Brexit flipping over the economy here as well.
The housing market is massively overpriced as it stands, unaffordable to many. With the rapid increase in interest rates, we're going to be seeing a lot of repossessions as people who scrimped and scraped to just about afford a house, suddenly find their repayments increasing by a huge amount. Why do we want to increase the numbers of house sales by demand side policies which only push up prices and inflate the bubble further?
It's brain dead policies from brain dead idealogues and the currency markets have shown what they think about it. Don't forget that the fall in the exchange rate against the dollar will increase inflation because oil and gas is traded in dollars. Even in the act of announcing these cuts, they've made the situation worse for the rest of us.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, September 24, 2022, 9:42pm; Reply: 412
The Tories are simply trying to boost the economy by attracting more high earners, yes they pay less tax but more of them could actually bring in more tax.
Bankers relocating back to the City of London from Frankfurt etc.
It's a risk but it might just work.
Scrapping stamp duty up to £250,000 should also kick start the housing market again.
I very rarely post on these political threads these days, I can't be arsed, bring on the red crosses again, yawn.
As Maringer says - where are the high earners coming from?!
Why on earth does the property market need a kick start?!
I can tolerate your rubbish on the kids side of the forum but that’s insane.
Yawn. Yawn deep. Your brain clearly needs the additional oxygen.
Posted by: ginnywings, September 25, 2022, 12:57am; Reply: 413
Was talking to a Tory voter tonight and he said that things were shocking at the moment and Labour would win the next election but then we would see things get really bad as it will be a lot worse under Labour. :-/
He went on to say that Johnson will come back to rescue the Tories and the country.
I didn't even try and raise an argument, because you can't counter that level of delusion.
Posted by: Humbercod, September 25, 2022, 8:32am; Reply: 414
The Tories are simply trying to boost the economy by attracting more high earners, yes they pay less tax but more of them could actually bring in more tax.
Bankers relocating back to the City of London from Frankfurt etc.
It's a risk but it might just work.
Scrapping stamp duty up to £250,000 should also kick start the housing market again.
I very rarely post on these political threads these days, I can't be arsed, bring on the red crosses and Edit abuse again, yawn.
On the money 😉
I’m sick of hearing is how much someone on 200k a year will save in comparison to someone on 20k. How about comparing how much the person on 200k actual pays in tax compared to the 20k.
A person on £20k pays £2856. A person on £200k pays £85,178, 30x more tax on only 10x more income. A person on £1m pays £435,000 that’s 152x more tax on 50x more salary.
In the words of Margaret Thatcher, the left would rather the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less Rich.
Posted by: ginnywings, September 25, 2022, 9:55am; Reply: 415
I’m sick of hearing is how much someone on 200k a year will save in comparison to someone on 20k. How about comparing how much the person on 200k actual pays in tax compared to the 20k.
A person on £20k pays £2856. A person on £200k pays £85,178, 30x more tax on only 10x more income. A person on £1m pays £435,000 that’s 152x more tax on 50x more salary.
In the words of Margaret Thatcher, the left would rather the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less Rich.
That's what they are supposed to pay. I doubt any of them do.
Posted by: Roast Em Bobby, September 25, 2022, 10:01am; Reply: 416
I’m sick of hearing is how much someone on 200k a year will save in comparison to someone on 20k. How about comparing how much the person on 200k actual pays in tax compared to the 20k.
A person on £20k pays £2856. A person on £200k pays £85,178, 30x more tax on only 10x more income. A person on £1m pays £435,000 that’s 152x more tax on 50x more salary.
In the words of Margaret Thatcher, the left would rather the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less Rich.
Thatcher’s argument only holds true if the extra tax revenue is actually used to help the poor.
I would tell you a joke about trickle down economics but 99% of you wouldn’t get it
Posted by: LH, September 25, 2022, 10:16am; Reply: 417
I’m sick of hearing is how much someone on 200k a year will save in comparison to someone on 20k. How about comparing how much the person on 200k actual pays in tax compared to the 20k.
A person on £20k pays £2856. A person on £200k pays £85,178, 30x more tax on only 10x more income. A person on £1m pays £435,000 that’s 152x more tax on 50x more salary.
In the words of Margaret Thatcher, the left would rather the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less Rich.
Did you get these figures from somewhere or did you calculate them yourself? I get the 20k figure a bit lower for tax paid than that which makes me doubt the rest of it. I’d also guess that you’re probably on something closer to the £20k figure than 200k so I don’t know why you’re fighting their tax battles for them? Seems a bit bootlicky to me.
Posted by: Humbercod, September 25, 2022, 10:56am; Reply: 418
Did you get these figures from somewhere or did you calculate them yourself? I get the 20k figure a bit lower for tax paid than that which makes me doubt the rest of it. I’d also guess that you’re probably on something closer to the £20k figure than 200k so I don’t know why you’re fighting their tax battles for them? Seems a bit bootlicky to me.
Add the tax an NI together. Plenty of Online tax calculators try this one go - https://www.reed.co.uk/tax-calculator/ Personally I’m happy with the tax cuts especially now the 45% higher tax rate has been scrapped, also buying a house next month so no stamp duty to pay now 😀
Posted by: Stadium, September 25, 2022, 11:43am; Reply: 419
I’m sick of hearing is how much someone on 200k a year will save in comparison to someone on 20k. How about comparing how much the person on 200k actual pays in tax compared to the 20k.
A person on £20k pays £2856. A person on £200k pays £85,178, 30x more tax on only 10x more income. A person on £1m pays £435,000 that’s 152x more tax on 50x more salary.
In the words of Margaret Thatcher, the left would rather the poor were poorer, provided the rich were less Rich.
It's really quite straightforward.
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Posted by: Manchester Mariner, September 25, 2022, 11:57am; Reply: 420
The housing market is screwed. I paid £130,000 for a standard semi-detatched in Warrington in 2018. The house next door, exactly the same as ours sold for £191,000 a month ago. Our mortgage is just over £500 a month, the house at the end of our close rents for £850 a month. House prices, to buy and rent have no connection to reality meanwhile barely any new houses get built because of nimbys crying 'What about my house price?' and when they are built they are then classed as 'affordable' at £250,000. It's a racket.
"Sculptures of nothing, in houses of sand."
Posted by: ginnywings, September 25, 2022, 5:32pm; Reply: 421
If buyers don't have to pay stamp duty, sellers will just increase the price by a commensurate amount is my guess.
Posted by: Maringer, September 26, 2022, 7:17am; Reply: 422
Well, you've got to give it to Kwarteng, he's consistent.
He's seen the pound plunge following his announcements in the 'mini-budget' at the end of last week so doubled down in his interview yesterday and said more tax cuts are to come.
Cue another plunge in the value of sterling when the foreign markets opened earlier today and it's likely that the BoE will now increase interest rates even further to shore up the pound.
Kwarteng isn't just sticking to his guns, he's reloaded, and blasted off his remaining foot.
I wonder how much his mate Odey (who I understand he still works for as an 'advisor') will be making from shorting the pound and UK government debt this time around? Yeah, yields on government debt have been forced to rocket so extra borrowing is now baked in for decades.
He's either corrupt, or simply a cretin. Possibly both. I wonder how many Tory MPs are preparing their letters for the 1922 committee? If they don't get rid of Truss even this soon, all that will be left of the economy is a smoking ruin.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 26, 2022, 10:38am; Reply: 423
Add the tax an NI together. Plenty of Online tax calculators try this one go - https://www.reed.co.uk/tax-calculator/ Personally I’m happy with the tax cuts especially now the 45% higher tax rate has been scrapped, also buying a house next month so no stamp duty to pay now 😀
You got a concrete fixed mortgage agreed? Interest rates are going to go up in the next couple of days as the Bank of England attempts to undo a bit of the damage caused by the budget from Friday.
Even if you do you won’t be getting the sort of deals that were available a few years ago before the Tories set about destroying our economy. So you’re losing overall however wonderful you think no stamp duty is and however much you try and dress it up as a win.
The Tories have deliberately destroyed the pound for the benefit of their donors who speculate on the pound tanking.
Even Thatcher looked at feasibility of stopping currency speculators. The Tories now accept their money and do everything in their power to see them make billions off the pound tanking.
It is now 60% likely that the £1 will drop below $1 for the first time ever before the end of 2022. If you don’t understand how totally catastrophic that would be and already is for the UK then you are even less knowledgable and even more brainwashed that I previous gave you credit.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 26, 2022, 10:41am; Reply: 424
Well, you've got to give it to Kwarteng, he's consistent.
He's seen the pound plunge following his announcements in the 'mini-budget' at the end of last week so doubled down in his interview yesterday and said more tax cuts are to come.
Cue another plunge in the value of sterling when the foreign markets opened earlier today and it's likely that the BoE will now increase interest rates even further to shore up the pound.
Kwarteng isn't just sticking to his guns, he's reloaded, and blasted off his remaining foot.
I wonder how much his mate Odey (who I understand he still works for as an 'advisor') will be making from shorting the pound and UK government debt this time around? Yeah, yields on government debt have been forced to rocket so extra borrowing is now baked in for decades.
He's either corrupt, or simply a cretin. Possibly both. I wonder how many Tory MPs are preparing their letters for the 1922 committee? If they don't get rid of Truss even this soon, all that will be left of the economy is a smoking ruin.
Yeah, but it’s Labour who can’t be trusted with economy and resort to the economics of magic money trees…
We need PR from the next Labour government urgently.
Posted by: Maringer, September 26, 2022, 11:37am; Reply: 425
Kwarteng is actually relying on the Magic Money Tree (well, money creation). He's just giving to the wealthy and energy companies instead of the crumbling NHS, social care, those in poverty etc etc etc.
Posted by: ginnywings, September 26, 2022, 12:27pm; Reply: 426
I've just had a look at the first post in this thread, which was posted in January 2021 and asked myself if anything has changed much in those 21 months, and the answer is yes.
It has got even worse for working people.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 26, 2022, 1:56pm; Reply: 427
Kwarteng is actually relying on the Magic Money Tree (well, money creation). He's just giving to the wealthy and energy companies instead of the crumbling NHS, social care, those in poverty etc etc etc.
No, Kwarteng knows the next election is already lost and is just making as much money for his mates as possible by ensuring the pound tanks to levels unseen in history.
Posted by: LH, September 26, 2022, 2:00pm; Reply: 428
“Give her a chance” they said. 😂
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 26, 2022, 2:06pm; Reply: 429
I've just had a look at the first post in this thread, which was posted in January 2021 and asked myself if anything has changed much in those 21 months, and the answer is yes.
It has got even worse for working people.
Yeah, but numpties like Humbercod are celebrating the stamp duty changes whilst simultaneously failing to realise that you’re highly unlikely to get a fixed mortgage deal at less than 4% (if you’re lucky) when you could get deals as low as 1.2% for as long as 10 years less than 2 years ago.
I’m not saying he’s a bullshitter, but why is he buying such a cheap property (less than £250,000 where stamp duty now starts) whilst claiming he’s going to save money from the 45% income tax rate (paid by people earning over £150,000) being abolished.
Come on Humbercod, you can afford a much nicer house than the one you’re buying. Don’t sell yourself short.
Posted by: Maringer, September 26, 2022, 2:27pm; Reply: 430
The markets are now expecting interest rates to be up to 6% next year. Would make a 250K mortgage quite a bit less affordable than at the start of the year. I'm locked into a deal for a few years yet but wish I'd taken the 10 year deal on offer at the time. 10 years might be enough for the country to recover from basket case status, but still likely to be relatively high rates in 5 years time.
Posted by: LH, September 26, 2022, 4:22pm; Reply: 431
Letters of no confidence going in already. What’s the bet there’s a snap election so Labour get in and Tory hands can be cleaned of all this very early on?
Posted by: Humbercod, September 26, 2022, 5:14pm; Reply: 432
Yeah, but numpties like Humbercod are celebrating the stamp duty changes whilst simultaneously failing to realise that you’re highly unlikely to get a fixed mortgage deal at less than 4% (if you’re lucky) when you could get deals as low as 1.2% for as long as 10 years less than 2 years ago.
I’m not saying he’s a bullshitter, but why is he buying such a cheap property (less than £250,000 where stamp duty now starts) whilst claiming he’s going to save money from the 45% income tax rate (paid by people earning over £150,000) being abolished.
Come on Humbercod, you can afford a much nicer house than the one you’re buying. Don’t sell yourself short.
£150000 I flipping wish!
Hands up my mistake 45% doesn’t affect me unfortunately I’m a higher rate payer and not additional.
Still made money from downsizing and the stamp duty money will now be happily spent boosting the economy😀
Posted by: Humbercod, September 26, 2022, 5:15pm; Reply: 433
Yeah, but numpties like Humbercod are celebrating the stamp duty changes whilst simultaneously failing to realise that you’re highly unlikely to get a fixed mortgage deal at less than 4% (if you’re lucky) when you could get deals as low as 1.2% for as long as 10 years less than 2 years ago.
I’m not saying he’s a bullshitter, but why is he buying such a cheap property (less than £250,000 where stamp duty now starts) whilst claiming he’s going to save money from the 45% income tax rate (paid by people earning over £150,000) being abolished.
Come on Humbercod, you can afford a much nicer house than the one you’re buying. Don’t sell yourself short.
£150000 I flipping wish!
Hands up my mistake 45% doesn’t affect me unfortunately I’m a higher rate payer and not additional.
Still made money from downsizing and the stamp duty money will now be happily spent boosting the economy😀
Posted by: Stadium, September 26, 2022, 7:53pm; Reply: 434
The markets are now expecting interest rates to be up to 6% next year. Would make a 250K mortgage quite a bit less affordable than at the start of the year. I'm locked into a deal for a few years yet but wish I'd taken the 10 year deal on offer at the time. 10 years might be enough for the country to recover from basket case status, but still likely to be relatively high rates in 5 years time.
Lenders are scrambling to pull their mortgage deals from the market amid speculation that the Bank of England will be forced to combat the plunging value of the pound, despite Governor Andrew Bailey ruling out action this week.
Britain’s biggest lender Halifax will temporarily pull deals which have a fee through its mortgage broker arm on Tuesday evening. These deals are typically priced with lower interest rates than mortgages without a fee.
A spokesperson for Halifax said the changes were as a result of “significant changes in the cost of funding” and said its remaining deals without a fee would remain at the same price.
The Nottingham for Intermediaries, another lender, is also pulling 14 deals and repricing some of its residential, buy-to-let and holiday let mortgages. A spokesman said: " In response to the unprecedented moves in swap rates following Friday’s announcement by the Chancellor, we have taken the decision to run with a reduced mortgage range until such time as market volatility has eased.
"We are committed to keeping a market presence in order to help borrowers get the mortgages that they need, and also to helping brokers navigate through very challenging times."
Clydesdale Bank, Scottish Building Society, Paragon, Skipton Building Society and Leek United Building Society have also already withdrawn certain deals from the market or will have done so by the end of the day. Virgin Money said it would stop all deals for new customers from 8pm tonight following "a number of changes in the market".
There was speculation the Bank would make an emergency intervention and raise the Bank Rate by a further 0.75 percentage points this week, despite only raising it to 2.25pc last week. In a statement the Bank said it would "not hesitate to change interest rates by as much as needed", but suggested it would stick to its next scheduled meeting in November.
A raft of tax cuts announced by Chancellor Kwasi Kwarteng last week has spooked the markets and investors now expect interest rates to rise above 6pc in the first half of next year.
Jamie Lennox, of broker Dimora Mortgages, said: “The future is certainly looking bleak when the biggest lender in the UK pulls a big selection of their products on offer.
“The uncertainty around the risk of an emergency rate rise is likely to see other lenders withdrawing products or increasing rates dramatically until they know how this all pans out.”
If the Bank Rate rises to 3pc, the average buyer would shoulder a £100 rise in their monthly mortgage payments almost overnight, according to analysis by estate agency Hamptons.
Further rate rises next year will also coincide with more than a million homeowners coming to the end of their fixed-rate deal.
Around 300,000 borrowers will reach the end of their fixed rate in each quarter of 2023, peaking at 375,000 between April and June, according to analyst Built Place.
Imran Hussain of Harmony Financial Services, another broker, said deals were being withdrawn and repriced quicker than brokers and borrowers could keep up.
Mr Hussain said: “Sadly this is just the start... The mortgage market was already hectic and now it's going haywire.”
Posted by: HerveJosse, September 28, 2022, 12:04pm; Reply: 435
Isn’t it going well for Liz T Week 1 Finishes off the Queen Week 2 Not allowed out Week 3 Causes a financial crisis What’s happening next week ? Paddy Power 9/1 not to be pm on 31 December looks good to me
Posted by: Maringer, September 28, 2022, 12:51pm; Reply: 436
BoE has begun QE (Quantitive Easing - i.e. money creation) to buy up government bonds to try and stabilise the market. Bear in mind that they had only recently announced they were going to do £80 billion of QT (Quantitive Tightening) - effectively unwinding previous QE to take the money out of the market and reduce debt. The QT will obviously need to be cancelled (which is a good thing), but we're going to see hundreds of billions more QE required to stabilise the situation. Just imagine what a few tens of billions invested into the real economy could have achieved in the longer term...
Kwarteng (and the Invisible Truss) have somehow managed to excrement the bed even more than their predecessors which is quite something when they've only been in the job for a few weeks.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 28, 2022, 1:11pm; Reply: 437
Isn’t it going well for Liz T Week 1 Finishes off the Queen Week 2 Not allowed out Week 3 Causes a financial crisis What’s happening next week ? Paddy Power 9/1 not to be pm on 31 December looks good to me
She’s a dead woman walking. She’s got to sack Kamikwasi Kwarteng. Expect that in the next day or so. But her fingerprints are all over that mini-budget. Her position is completely untenable.
The remaining factions of Tory MPs will already be trying to find a compromise leader for a coronation rather than another leadership campaign.
Expect a Michael Howard type person. They know the next election is gone already so they’ll look for someone to oversee the electoral massacre and then move on.
If you can get 9/1 on Truss not being PM on 31st December it’s worth a couple of quid.
Posted by: Maringer, September 28, 2022, 1:16pm; Reply: 438
Is Truss even still alive? Or has she just got stuck in a fridge somewhere? I'm sure there must be some reason why the Prime Minister has disappeared from view right in the middle of a self-inflicted economic crisis.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 28, 2022, 1:23pm; Reply: 439
Is Truss even still alive? Or has she just got stuck in a fridge somewhere? I'm sure there must be some reason why the Prime Minister has disappeared from view right in the middle of a self-inflicted economic crisis.
There’s a real possibility she will serve less than a month as PM if Tory MPs act to remove her this week and then agree on a single candidate and avoid a membership vote.
Posted by: LH, September 28, 2022, 1:57pm; Reply: 440
I’m sure someone will be along soon to tell us it’d be far worse under Labour.
Posted by: Maringer, September 28, 2022, 2:11pm; Reply: 441
I’m sure someone will be along soon to tell us it’d be far worse under Labour.
Even better than that. Apparently, the markets are crashing becauseof Labour. And not anything they've done, but the fear of what they might do:
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Hannan is a complete Tory wingnut given a peerage by Johnson so I suppose he has to spout some shite or other in order to earn his corn, but this is particularly witless. Faithfully published as fact by ConservativeHome, naturally.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, September 28, 2022, 2:22pm; Reply: 442
Even better than that. Apparently, the markets are crashing becauseof Labour. And not anything they've done, but the fear of what they might do:
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Hannan is a complete Tory wingnut given a peerage by Johnson so I suppose he has to spout some shite or other in order to earn his corn, but this is particularly witless. Faithfully published as fact by ConservativeHome, naturally.
Completely reasonable comment there and not at all deluded. The crash of the pound has definitely got Corbyns mucky fingerprints all over it and people need to stop talking the British pound down.
Posted by: LH, September 28, 2022, 4:08pm; Reply: 443
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Boris Johnson was competent compared to this lot😱😱😱
Posted by: DB, September 28, 2022, 5:12pm; Reply: 444
Looks as if Kwasi Kwarteng hasn't got the foggiest idea what he's doing or what his actions will cause.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, September 28, 2022, 6:16pm; Reply: 445
How is it even possible to tank a country to the absolute brink like this in a fortnight?
Posted by: LH, September 28, 2022, 8:34pm; Reply: 446
We could have had Sunak and rather than kill the country itself financially we could have had some cost of living help for the population. It wouldn’t have been anywhere near enough but we probably wouldn’t have had our pensions gambled.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 28, 2022, 8:40pm; Reply: 447
Today appears to have marked a major change in the Tory narrative. They gone from 12 and a half years of blaming everything on the last Labour government to attempting to blame everything now on the next Labour government.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 28, 2022, 8:43pm; Reply: 448
She could have done it quicker but the Queen dying gave her 12 days off.
And she's since failed to make a single public statement for almost a week following the 'mini-budget' which has caused so much damage. Just exactly what is she doing at the moment?
Posted by: codcheeky, September 29, 2022, 7:26am; Reply: 450
And she's since failed to make a single public statement for almost a week following the 'mini-budget' which has caused so much damage. Just exactly what is she doing at the moment?
Still scraping Boris’ wallpaper off
Posted by: Humbercod, September 29, 2022, 7:48am; Reply: 451
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, September 29, 2022, 10:22am; Reply: 452
2008 global financial crash - Labours fault
2022 crash of the pound and ensuing financial turmoil after Conservative madcap mini budget - Global problem
Posted by: aldi_01, September 29, 2022, 10:31am; Reply: 453
Tories…literally the party unable to accept responsibility or have any accountability.
They’ve governed for almost all of the 20th and 21st century but it’s not their fault.
Bunch of flipping scummers. Anyone left that voted for this fuckwits who hasn’t realised they’ve been duped is a moron. Never met such a bunch of incompetent idiots running something, and we all support town…
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 29, 2022, 10:53am; Reply: 454
You have to hand it to Liz Truss. She finally comes out of hiding and rather than giving interviews to the likes of Beth Rigby or Nick Ferrari who can’t push questions too hard for fear of losing access and lines of information and who will give her a relatively easy time she chooses to surrender herself to a string of local BBC reporters who have absolutely nothing to lose, don’t have to worry about future access and have all made her look like the bumbling moron she is. She’s so useless she can’t get anything right.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 29, 2022, 10:58am; Reply: 455
Phil from Grimsby knocking it out of the park on James O’Brien’s LBC show.
Posted by: chaos33, September 29, 2022, 11:43am; Reply: 456
She’s just underlined what an absolute dunce she is, as we all knew anyway, on local radio. An absolute skipfire and well articulated and analysed on the James O’Brien show today.
Posted by: Hagrid, September 29, 2022, 2:14pm; Reply: 457
how can we not have a general election, the country is in turmoil.
i find it incredible however on social media, the amount of utter fuckwits still backing the tories
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, September 29, 2022, 3:55pm; Reply: 458
Well at least she's not in charge of a G7 country, otherwise the rest of the world would really be laughing at us!
Oh......wait......
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 29, 2022, 7:13pm; Reply: 459
how can we not have a general election, the country is in turmoil.
i find it incredible however on social media, the amount of utter fuckwits still backing the tories
Would be good…
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Even Grantham & Stamford (where I live) would turn red.
Posted by: Maringer, September 29, 2022, 8:19pm; Reply: 460
Problem is that it means that there is absulutely no way that the Tories will allow a General Election until the very last minute. There are enough of the feckers who are so self-serving that we'll never get a vote of no confidence in Truss, either, so all we'll be left with come the next election is a smoking ruin of a country.
Posted by: LH, September 29, 2022, 8:21pm; Reply: 461
Has Truss been a long term plan from her socialist dad for her entire life? Show throughout the years that you will go wherever the power is, have no principles whatsoever and become a Tory PM. Then intercourse the entire country over causing a landslide Labour victory (with a manifesto pledge to look at PR to replace FPTP). Tories become opposition at the next election which would be the last FPTP election and from then on an insignificant party voted for by the wealthy and whatever morons believe whatever it is the Mail and Sun print. What a job he’s done if that’s the case.
Posted by: Humbercod, September 29, 2022, 8:34pm; Reply: 462
Some right Drama queens on here 🙈
Posted by: mariner91, September 29, 2022, 9:49pm; Reply: 463
Go on then, give us your analysis of why they're not doing a terrible job.
Posted by: Maringer, September 29, 2022, 11:33pm; Reply: 464
Yeah, nothing dramatic has happened over the past week. Economic announcements which have led to a plunge in the value of the pound, battered the stock markets, led to criticism from the IMF and required the BoE to spunk £65 billion to stop the pensions sector from collapsing with losses of hundeds of billions. Oh, they've also tanked the mortgage market and ensured that big interest rate rises will be coming very soon, which will make millions with unaffordable mortgages just at the same time that we're in the middle of a cost of living crisis due to high inflation.
Massive recession coming now - thought it would be a pretty bad one, but Truss and Kwarteng have ensured it will be extremely deep and damaging.
No drama there, is there?
Posted by: Humbercod, September 30, 2022, 6:42am; Reply: 465
Yeah, nothing dramatic has happened over the past week. Economic announcements which have led to a plunge in the value of the pound, battered the stock markets, led to criticism from the IMF and required the BoE to spunk £65 billion to stop the pensions sector from collapsing with losses of hundeds of billions. Oh, they've also tanked the mortgage market and ensured that big interest rate rises will be coming very soon, which will make millions with unaffordable mortgages just at the same time that we're in the middle of a cost of living crisis due to high inflation.
Massive recession coming now - thought it would be a pretty bad one, but Truss and Kwarteng have ensured it will be extremely deep and damaging.
No drama there, is there?
Remember when you told us all that we’re all ‘copulated’ when the government correctly decided to end the covid lockdown? Pull yourself together man It’s just another week in politics calm down. The pound already back higher than before the mini budget, you’ve been wrong before how about we see how this plays out. Horrible to see the haters hyperventilating with joy at the Labour criticism of Truss. There is a worldwide economic crisis at play and we are part of it, have a look at Germany the powerhouse of the Fishy’s beloved EU and see how they are doing.. not to good is it?
We are facing harder times no doubt but we will get through it, how do you thing people managed in the 70s and 80s recessions? Problem is we have had it far to easy for far to long, low interest rates and fast food living was never sustainable, this is a world wide reality check I hope Truss sticks to her guns and is proved right with huge growth next year but some people don’t want that do they!
Posted by: GollyGTFC, September 30, 2022, 7:00am; Reply: 466
Remember when you told us all that we’re all ‘copulated’ when the government correctly decided to end the covid lockdown? Pull yourself together man It’s just another week in politics calm down. The pound already back higher than before the mini budget, you’ve been wrong before how about we see how this plays out. Horrible to see the haters hyperventilating with joy at the Labour criticism of Truss. There is a worldwide economic crisis at play and we are part of it, have a look at Germany the powerhouse of the Fishy’s beloved EU and see how they are doing.. not to good is it?
We are facing harder times no doubt but we will get through it, how do you thing people managed in the 70s and 80s recessions? Problem is we have had it far to easy for far to long, low interest rates and fast food living was never sustainable, this is a world wide reality check I hope Truss sticks to her guns and is proved right with huge growth next year but some people don’t want that do they!
This isn’t a world-wide reality check though. It’s very much a UK crisis.
Posted by: mariner91, September 30, 2022, 7:30am; Reply: 467
Remember when you told us all that we’re all ‘copulated’ when the government correctly decided to end the covid lockdown? Pull yourself together man It’s just another week in politics calm down. The pound already back higher than before the mini budget, you’ve been wrong before how about we see how this plays out. Horrible to see the haters hyperventilating with joy at the Labour criticism of Truss. There is a worldwide economic crisis at play and we are part of it, have a look at Germany the powerhouse of the Fishy’s beloved EU and see how they are doing.. not to good is it?
We are facing harder times no doubt but we will get through it, how do you thing people managed in the 70s and 80s recessions? Problem is we have had it far to easy for far to long, low interest rates and fast food living was never sustainable, this is a world wide reality check I hope Truss sticks to her guns and is proved right with huge growth next year but some people don’t want that do they!
It amazes me that some people still parrot the line that the 2008 was the fault of the government at the time, even though it really was a global issue. And this time, when there is only one country who's central bank has had to intervene due to disastrous policy, the same people are claiming it's a world wide issue.
As for huge growth, it won't happen. Unless you've had your eyes closed for the last 12 years, the Tory government has proven that trickle down economics do not work. If you give tax cuts to the rich they'll save it and send it to their off-shore accounts. If they wanted to get the economy moving they should have given those sort of tax cuts to the workers in society who would have spent 99% of any extra money they got.
Posted by: ska face, September 30, 2022, 8:09am; Reply: 468
Problem is we have had it far to easy for far to long
lmao yeah don’t we know it!
Generations having absolutely everything handed to them on a plate, cushy lives built on the backs of their kids & grandkids. Now someone like you on, what, £60k a year(?), telling people they’ve had it easy and have to suffer for someone else’s benefit!
What a country.
Posted by: Maringer, September 30, 2022, 8:30am; Reply: 469
The fact that trickle down economics is still believed to be a thing by anybody is simply bizarre, given there is no evidence it has ever worked, anywhere it was tried. Reaganomics is the main one referenced by the true believers, but they handily forget to note that the US national debt tripled under these policies - it wasn't trickle down which led to impressive growth figures, it was vast government largesse. And, of course, it was poorly targeted because most of it went to the already wealthy.
The likes of the IEA and TPA have been pushing this fantasy economics for decades (it's what they are paid to do by their anonymous funders) but it has only been fringe wingnuts who believed it up until now. The venal Tory party has now put some of these wingnuts into government and, by heck, they are going to give the funders of the various shadowy Grafton Street think tanks their money's worth. The rest of us can go and hang.
Posted by: aldi_01, September 30, 2022, 5:20pm; Reply: 470
I’m past the point of caring, any girl private thick enough, stupid enough or blase enough to vote for these flipping incompetent, self serving, arrogant, narcissistic fuckwits deserves intercourse all.
You reap what you sow…
Posted by: Humbercod, October 1, 2022, 7:54am; Reply: 471
I’m past the point of caring, any girl private thick enough, stupid enough or blase enough to vote for these flipping incompetent, self serving, arrogant, narcissistic fuckwits deserves intercourse all.
You reap what you sow…
Which party are you talking about? And this is the problem nothing ever changes until the voting system changes. I was never really in favour of proportional representation but I think it’s time now we give it a go, only then can we let the radicals in and give parliament the shake up it so desperately needs.
I honestly thought this forum had turned a corner there was some strong disagreement on the previous page, but all done in a civil and respectful manner, there is absolutely no need for abuse just because you didn’t like how a person voted.
Posted by: Maringer, October 1, 2022, 11:32am; Reply: 472
So, the preparations for austerity are now underway. That's austerity, a policy and theory which simply doesn't work. Austerity, in the midst of an unprecedented cost of living crisis caused by surging inflation, an explosion in food and fuel poverty, and high interest rates coming very soon. All this coming after more than a decade of falling or stagnant wages throughout the economy as wealth has transferred ever upwards.
Not to forget it follows the announcement of a big tax giveaway for the wealthy and corporations based on another theory (trickle-down) which just transfers wealth upwards.
These fornicators deserve to be strung up, not just booted out of office.
Seems obvious to me now that they are simply attempting to dismantle as much of the state as possible before they inevitably get booted out of office in a couple of years. Expect them to sell off parts of the NHS to the big American insurance companies ('there is no alternative', will be the claim).
Riots commencing during 2023 would be my guess.
Posted by: Humbercod, October 1, 2022, 12:38pm; Reply: 473
OMG….. have you tried Valium? My old Auntie swore by them, although they didn't help stop the rocking😕
Please open your eyes look around the world USA up excrement creek, Germany in terminal decline and look at Holland inflation rate over 17% everywhere is being hit. Wether it’s Wilson’s crisis of the late 1960s when the pound was devalued or Thatchers severe recession of the early 80s we along with the other major economic powerhouses always bounce back.
I find it startling that people would rather see this PM fail resulting with the country on its knees akin to the Labour Party’s of the 60s&70s rather than see her succeed, anything it takes to get Labour in power eh😕 Well it just happens that a great many don’t shares your pessimism, I’ve unashamedly copied the following from Facebook, posted by a small local business owner.
Mate, they couldn't have given more money away if they tried. 80 percent furlough, heating grants, inflation matching pension rises. Now capping the global energy problems. Hundreds of billions, albeit of our money. Now they have lowered taxes which will enable small, medium and large business owners to keep more of their hard earned and employ more and pay more.
Yet people still complain, usually the same people who work for minimum wage or maximum 16 hours for benefits reasons and expect to be looked after from cradle to the grave.[b]
Posted by: Stadium, October 1, 2022, 3:26pm; Reply: 474
[quote=140716]OMG….. have you tried Valium? My old Auntie swore by them, although they didn't help stop the rocking😕
Please open your eyes look around the world USA up excrement creek, Germany in terminal decline and look at Holland inflation rate over 17% everywhere is being hit. Wether it’s Wilson’s crisis of the late 1960s when the pound was devalued or Thatchers severe recession of the early 80s we along with the other major economic powerhouses always bounce back.
I find it startling that people would rather see this PM fail resulting with the country on its knees akin to the Labour Party’s of the 60s&70s rather than see her succeed, anything it takes to get Labour in power eh😕 Well it just happens that a great many don’t shares your pessimism, I’ve unashamedly copied the following from Facebook, posted by a small local business owner.
Mate, they couldn't have given more money away if they tried. 80 percent furlough, heating grants, inflation matching pension rises. Now capping the global energy problems. Hundreds of billions, albeit of our money. Now they have lowered taxes which will enable small, medium and large business owners to keep more of their hard earned and employ more and pay more.
Yet people still complain, usually the same people who work for minimum wage or maximum 16 hours for benefits reasons and expect to be looked after from cradle to the grave.
You have to laugh-a quote from a random person on Facebook
Back to reality-are you happy for cuts to the NHS &.local services which inevitably will be required. Even though that was promised not to occur during the leadership campaign, what a surprise.
Posted by: mariner91, October 1, 2022, 5:45pm; Reply: 475
OMG….. have you tried Valium? My old Auntie swore by them, although they didn't help stop the rocking😕
Please open your eyes look around the world USA up excrement creek, Germany in terminal decline and look at Holland inflation rate over 17% everywhere is being hit. Wether it’s Wilson’s crisis of the late 1960s when the pound was devalued or Thatchers severe recession of the early 80s we along with the other major economic powerhouses always bounce back.
I find it startling that people would rather see this PM fail resulting with the country on its knees akin to the Labour Party’s of the 60s&70s rather than see her succeed, anything it takes to get Labour in power eh😕 Well it just happens that a great many don’t shares your pessimism, I’ve unashamedly copied the following from Facebook, posted by a small local business owner.
Mate, they couldn't have given more money away if they tried. 80 percent furlough, heating grants, inflation matching pension rises. Now capping the global energy problems. Hundreds of billions, albeit of our money. Now they have lowered taxes which will enable small, medium and large business owners to keep more of their hard earned and employ more and pay more.
Yet people still complain, usually the same people who work for minimum wage or maximum 16 hours for benefits reasons and expect to be looked after from cradle to the grave.[b]
You'd have to be totally blinkered to believe the bit in bold is a good thing. They're not giving money away. They're borrowing billions which will take decades to pay back to allow the richest in society to keep more money. We're about to go in to a winter during a cost of living crisis which will push millions of working households towards the poverty line, having to choose between feeding themselves or heating their homes. At the same time they will be cutting funding for social care and public services will be even worse than they are already. By virtually every metric possible the public services in this country are significantly worse than they were 12 years ago and that's not an accident or coincidence. It's been done deliberately. Everything they're doing is a deliberate ploy to redistribute even more of the wealth in the country in to the hands of the top 5% and sod everyone else.
Whoever wrote that bit in bold is really not very smart either. They can talk about businesses being able to employ more people but we literally don't have enough people of working age to do all these jobs. Brexit saw to that.
They know their time is up and they're going to rinse the country for every last bit they can do and leave it in as much of a mess as they can for the next incumbents. They really are despicable.
Posted by: Maringer, October 1, 2022, 5:46pm; Reply: 476
Cuts to the NHS and local services are not required. If they make cuts in those areas, it is a political choice for them to do so.
The BoE has pledged to spend £65 billion (initially) to stop the pensions market collapsing following the announcement of Trussonimics/KamiKwasi. This is money which has been created out of nothing. They could do the same for the NHS and so forth if they wanted to. Instead of giving away £45 billion, mostly to the well-off.
DON'T believe the There Is No Alternative bullshit which they are going to be pumping out in coming months. Just remember they decided to give billions to the wealthy (not to mention removal of caps on bankers bonuses and cuts to corporation tax). They can't claim services vital to tens of millions are less important than pushing wealth ever upwards.
Posted by: ginnywings, October 1, 2022, 7:55pm; Reply: 477
I think Humbo is a massive wind-up merchant. I reckon he gets a stirring in his loins every time he makes a post, knowing that folk will bite.
I'll ignore him because if I am wrong and he is serious in his beliefs, then he is diametrically opposed to the views a lot of us share, and therefore a lost soul who's doomed to be a brainwash victim of the right-wing media for the foreseeable.
The only other viable explanation is that he is an "I'm alright Jack" type and doesn't have a heart or give a fook for the plight of others. Up there with the 80,000 or so other heartless Tories who saddled us with the worst PM in history, purely for their own benefit.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, October 1, 2022, 8:23pm; Reply: 478
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Posted by: ginnywings, October 1, 2022, 10:33pm; Reply: 479
You'd have to be totally blinkered to believe the bit in bold is a good thing. They're not giving money away. They're borrowing billions which will take decades to pay back to allow the richest in society to keep more money. We're about to go in to a winter during a cost of living crisis which will push millions of working households towards the poverty line, having to choose between feeding themselves or heating their homes. At the same time they will be cutting funding for social care and public services will be even worse than they are already. By virtually every metric possible the public services in this country are significantly worse than they were 12 years ago and that's not an accident or coincidence. It's been done deliberately. Everything they're doing is a deliberate ploy to redistribute even more of the wealth in the country in to the hands of the top 5% and sod everyone else.
Whoever wrote that bit in bold is really not very smart either. They can talk about businesses being able to employ more people but we literally don't have enough people of working age to do all these jobs. Brexit saw to that.
They know their time is up and they're going to rinse the country for every last bit they can do and leave it in as much of a mess as they can for the next incumbents. They really are despicable.
Let me get this right so you’re unhappy about the billions of public funding throughout the pandemic because we borrowed the money from future generations, but now you don’t think we are borrowing enough from the future generations for the cost of living crisis🥴
Where are you being told they are cutting social care? As for public service cuts in general this would be more than understandable place to start, a few billion could be cut by all accounts just by cutting the bloated civil service. Talk of ploys to deliberately make the rich richer is more than verging on to tin foil hat territory.
I know the business owner well and he’s smart enough to keep his business successfully running for a number of years, why can’t you accept a hard working business owners, honest point of view! As for the sour grapes Brexit comment it’s just laughable, if we were suffering high unemployment like we see in the EU you would still be blaming Brexit 😂
As for your last paragraph you could of written this back in 2010 with regards to Liam Byrne’s letter on behalf of his dishonourable Labour Party as it would of been more relevant, this was actually ‘despicable’ and yet you would be more than happy to see them back in 🥴
Posted by: Humbercod, October 2, 2022, 9:22am; Reply: 481
he is diametrically opposed to the views a lot of us share, and therefore a lost soul who's doomed to be a brainwash victim of the right-wing media for the foreseeable.
This is where you are somewhat delusional Ginny if you’re referring to the general public at large rather than the liberal heavy fishy! It’s funny you mention the ‘right wing media’ is this the same media that lied hysterically to you throughout the past 2 years, selling fear & panic in the pursuit of profit & government support and you followed like a brainwashed cult member. Do you honestly think they are doing anything different now with regards to the economy, Sterling, climate change or even a pipeline? Wake up and smell the coffee, just like I tell my children question everything.
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The only other viable explanation is that he is an "I'm alright Jack" type and doesn't have a heart or give a fook for the plight of others. Up there with the 80,000 or so other heartless Tories who saddled us with the worst PM in history, purely for their own benefit.
Worse PM in history come on man just stop with the hysterics she’s only been in the job for a few weeks give her plans a chance before jumping on this hateful bandwagon. I’m no alright Jack I know what it’s like to have sweet FA. I have family on low wages and benefits and I know this year will be more of a struggle, even for those like myself fortunate to be have good payed secured jobs I’m already telling the kids to get a jumper on and turn things off. I think those who will be affected more along with the elderly is the disabled or anyone housebound really they have no choice but to try and keep the heating on and I wish we could do more. Maybe divert some of the Ukraine funding or heres an idea stop the illegal migrants and use the funds that are paying the hotels. Doubt many on here would sign up for that but I bet the general public at large would, I guess this is what you mean by diametrically opposed🙂
Posted by: mariner91, October 2, 2022, 10:33am; Reply: 482
Let me get this right so you’re unhappy about the billions of public funding throughout the pandemic because we borrowed the money from future generations, but now you don’t think we are borrowing enough from the future generations for the cost of living crisis🥴
Where are you being told they are cutting social care? As for public service cuts in general this would be more than understandable place to start, a few billion could be cut by all accounts just by cutting the bloated civil service. Talk of ploys to deliberately make the rich richer is more than verging on to tin foil hat territory.
I know the business owner well and he’s smart enough to keep his business successfully running for a number of years, why can’t you accept a hard working business owners, honest point of view! As for the sour grapes Brexit comment it’s just laughable, if we were suffering high unemployment like we see in the EU you would still be blaming Brexit 😂
As for your last paragraph you could of written this back in 2010 with regards to Liam Byrne’s letter on behalf of his dishonourable Labour Party as it would of been more relevant, this was actually ‘despicable’ and yet you would be more than happy to see them back in 🥴
No. Obviously your reading comprehension isn't very good. The money had to be borrowed for furloughing people etc. But the amount of money borrowed and wasted and funnelled to their donors was scandalous. Look up Michelle Mone for one good example of that.
As for the cost of living, the energy price cap is necessary to stop people going in to fuel poverty but borrowing it is not. There was an easy and obvious alternative which was to have a windfall tax on the companies who will make an excess of tens of billions in the next two years. But strangely, our PM who used to work for Shell decided against that and would rather the tax payer footed the bill. Weird that.
The rich have literally got significantly richer compared to everyone else in the last 12 years. That's not a tinfoil hat conspiracy, that's fact.
Posted by: ginnywings, October 2, 2022, 10:43am; Reply: 483
This is where you are somewhat delusional Ginny if you’re referring to the general public at large rather than the liberal heavy fishy! It’s funny you mention the ‘right wing media’ is this the same media that lied hysterically to you throughout the past 2 years, selling fear & panic in the pursuit of profit & government support and you followed like a brainwashed cult member. Do you honestly think they are doing anything different now with regards to the economy, Sterling, climate change or even a pipeline? Wake up and smell the coffee, just like I tell my children question everything.
Worse PM in history come on man just stop with the hysterics she’s only been in the job for a few weeks give her plans a chance before jumping on this hateful bandwagon. I’m no alright Jack I know what it’s like to have sweet FA. I have family on low wages and benefits and I know this year will be more of a struggle, even for those like myself fortunate to be have good payed secured jobs I’m already telling the kids to get a jumper on and turn things off. I think those who will be affected more along with the elderly is the disabled or anyone housebound really they have no choice but to try and keep the heating on and I wish we could do more. Maybe divert some of the Ukraine funding or heres an idea stop the illegal migrants and use the funds that are paying the hotels. Doubt many on here would sign up for that but I bet the general public at large would, I guess this is what you mean by diametrically opposed🙂
No.
If you were a striker, you couldn't even find the banjo, never mind hit the cow's ar$e.
Posted by: Stadium, October 2, 2022, 11:25am; Reply: 484
Didn't take long.
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Posted by: Maringer, October 2, 2022, 11:46am; Reply: 485
Aaargh! We haven't borrowed the money to pay for furlough
It was created out of thin air by QE so the government now 'owes' the BoE this money. Who owns the BoE? The UK government. It isn't possible to owe money to yourself. To keep up the fiction that this is actually a real debt, a low rate of interest is paid on it. The chancellor tells the BoE what to do with this interest and (at least in the past), it was used to pay down some of the (real) national debt. Who knows what KamiKwasi will decide should be done with the interest? He'll probably say it should be given as banker bonuses or something similarly ludicrous.
Posted by: DB, October 2, 2022, 4:35pm; Reply: 486
So about 0.2% of the population chose a new PM, and that ok! Pot kettle black syndrome.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, October 2, 2022, 7:18pm; Reply: 487
My mother dislocated her hip on Friday at 8 am. Her emergency call service that we've arranged called 999. Fortunately I was on my way there to work from her house, which I do once a week. She's was lying in bed in agony soaked in her urine. I phoned 999 again and was told the wait time for the ambulence could be 8 (eight) hours. I tried to call her GP to arrange a call for some pain relief - 33 calls ahead of me. When I got through 45 mins later I was told the practice had no resource for a home visit.
The paramedics arrived after 3 hours not 8 thankfully. They told me not to follow the ambulance because they'd just be queuing outside Peterborough General. She was eventually seen to get her hip put back at 7 in the evening. My whole working day was a write-off - I'm contributing to that poor productivity of British workers that Truss has explained is stunting economic growth. We've lost 40,000 nurses and we have tens of thousands of NHS vacancies. Our other public services are in disarray. In my business you can't get bricklayers, plumbers, electricians and joiners, there are construction materials supply chain bottlenecks all over the place. We are short of lorry drivers, train drivers and bus drivers. Our public transport system is in meltdown. Our exporters can't take advantage of the weak pound because they can't export to the EU. Import costs are going up exponentially because of the weak pound and delays at ports
However, Trussonomics will sort this. It states that a strategy for growth is a load of tax cuts with most of the benefit going to the well-off and large corporations, paid for by our children through their future taxes to cover the borrowing. It also states that paying for the capping of energy bills by borrowing while tanking the pound and increasing borrowing costs and household mortgage costs by thousands per year is a key part of the strategy for growth. And, contrary to mainstream economics, none of the massive supply side issues listed above will impact on the attempt to grow the economy - trying to force an economy to grow when it has no capacity to do so does not create inflation any more - that must be old-school economics.
Her majesty, RIP, is well out of this shitshow - I was warned by a senior civil servant that Boris would seem like an exemplar of competence compared to this, so I was expecting a disaster, but not quite as quick.
Posted by: aldi_01, October 2, 2022, 8:39pm; Reply: 488
My mother dislocated her hip on Friday at 8 am. Her emergency call service that we've arranged called 999. Fortunately I was on my way there to work from her house, which I do once a week. She's was lying in bed in agony soaked in her urine. I phoned 999 again and was told the wait time for the ambulence could be 8 (eight) hours. I tried to call her GP to arrange a call for some pain relief - 33 calls ahead of me. When I got through 45 mins later I was told the practice had no resource for a home visit.
The paramedics arrived after 3 hours not 8 thankfully. They told me not to follow the ambulance because they'd just be queuing outside Peterborough General. She was eventually seen to get her hip put back at 7 in the evening. My whole working day was a write-off - I'm contributing to that poor productivity of British workers that Truss has explained is stunting economic growth. We've lost 40,000 nurses and we have tens of thousands of NHS vacancies. Our other public services are in disarray. In my business you can't get bricklayers, plumbers, electricians and joiners, there are construction materials supply chain bottlenecks all over the place. We are short of lorry drivers, train drivers and bus drivers. Our public transport system is in meltdown. Our exporters can't take advantage of the weak pound because they can't export to the EU. Import costs are going up exponentially because of the weak pound and delays at ports
However, Trussonomics will sort this. It states that a strategy growth is a load of tax cuts with most of the benefit going to the well-off and large corporations, paid for by our children through their future taxes to cover the borrowing. It also states that paying for the capping of energy bills by borrowing while tanking the pound and increasing borrowing costs and household mortgage costs by thousands per year is a key part of the strategy for growth. And, contrary to mainstream economics, none of the massive supply side issues listed above will impact on the attempt to grow the economy - trying to force an economy to grow when it has no capacity to do so does not create inflation any more - that must be old-school economics.
Her majesty, RIP, is well out of this shitshow - I was warned by a senior civil servant that Boris would seem like an exemplar of competence compared to this, so I was expecting a disaster, but not quite as quick.
The alarming thing is there are actually people that don’t see any issues, that think her policies make sense, the believe there has been growth, I excrement you not…
Posted by: Stadium, October 3, 2022, 8:23am; Reply: 489
45p tax rate now not scrapped. The lady is for turning.
Posted by: codcheeky, October 3, 2022, 8:37am; Reply: 490
45p tax rate now not scrapped. The lady is for turning.
Humbercod will be gutted but will back this U-turn because his betters know what’s best for us, whatever they do. The damage has been done billions wasted and mortgage rates will not come down. Absolutely clueless bunch of chancers looking after their banker and hedge fund mates. Everyone prepared to give the new PM a chance has seen them for what they are. Internationally we are a laughing stock, we have gone from clown to clueless without a chance to vote, what sort of democracy is that
Posted by: Stadium, October 3, 2022, 4:15pm; Reply: 491
Kwasi Kwarteng attended a private champagne reception hours after delivering his mini-budget where hedge fund managers who would gain from a crash in the pound egged him on to commit to his plans.
The chancellor also gave guests insights about forthcoming government spending cuts during the event, which took place at the Chelsea home of Andrew Law, a financier and Conservative Party donor, on the evening of Friday, September 23.
The disclosure raises questions about Kwarteng’s political judgment. It will also raise concern that the event informed his decision to announce plans for even bigger tax cuts despite the market’s negative reaction to his initial plans.
Kwarteng declared there was “more to come” in an interview on the Sunday after his mini-budget — a move that some No 10 officials blame for triggering a further fall in the pound on Monday morning.
Sterling collapsed to its lowest level since 1985 amid market turmoil which, alongside Kwarteng’s £45 billion tax giveaway for the highest earners, benefited many of those at the drinks event.
After the reception on Friday, at least two prominent hedge fund bosses told City associates that Kwarteng was “a useful idiot”. A senior Tory who advises business leaders said the phrase was in widespread circulation.
Law is worth about £750 million and has donated £3.6 million to the Tories since 2004. He has acknowledged taking short positions on the pound over recent years, meaning he has profited from the currency’s decline in value.
He invited about 30 people to his west London home for the drinks reception, including the stockbroker Howard Shore; the Swiss-born London banker Sir Henry Angest; Lord Leigh of Hurley, a corporate financier; Selva Pankaj, a merchant banker and investor; and Jake Berry, the Conservative Party chairman. Others present included William Salomon, a senior partner at Hansa Capital, and Andrew Dawber, director of Civitas Investment Management. The event was also attended by representatives from the property, hospitality, healthcare and education sectors. Guests drank wine, champagne and cocktails as they congratulated Kwarteng on the reforms he had outlined in the House of Commons.
According to a source, the ambience was “very, very positive”. Another said guests explicitly told Kwarteng to “double down” — an approach from which some stood to make enormous profits. Two sources say Kwarteng described the Friday as a “great day for freedom”. A third said: “He was high on adrenaline. His big thing was: ‘Look, we’re not going to do stuff incrementally. We really believe in this stuff and that’s what we’re going to do.’ ”
Kwarteng is also said to have warned those present of austerity-style budget cuts to come. A source said: “He wanted to give an unadulterated message of ‘growth, growth, growth’, and that’s why he didn’t talk about savings, because otherwise the [news] agenda would have been all about savings — ‘where will you cut? What will you cut? Blah blah blah’ — they’re fully aware they have to make savings.”
The source added that Kwarteng appeared tired but pleased in a convivial atmosphere. As it was a party, officials would not be required to disclose it on ministerial transparency returns. The chancellor went on to tell the BBC’s Laura Kuenssberg that he would slash more taxes, and confirmed he would neither bring forward his November budget nor ask the Office of Budget Responsibility to publish its forecasts of his plans.
His actions led the Bank of England to take action — at a cost of £65 billion — to calm the markets and prevent a meltdown in the UK pensions sector. A source who attended the Law drinks party said Kwarteng seemed surprised by the reaction of the markets. “I think maybe he didn’t see it coming,” he said.
Allies of the chancellor have dismissed claims that his proximity to hedge fund managers has influenced his decision-making in office.
Last week, it was revealed that during the leadership contest he privately dined with Crispin Odey, a hedge fund investor and Kwarteng’s former boss, who has since said that bets against UK government bonds were the “gifts that keep on giving”. Odey, a prominent Tory donor who also gave £870,000 to pro-Brexit campaign groups, founded the hedge fund Odey Asset Management, where Kwarteng worked before entering politics. The latest revelations will heap more pressure on the chancellor, who was the co-author with Liz Truss of a financial package that has seen the Conservative Party fall to its lowest rating in the polls since the 1990s. No 10 insisted last week that he will not resign. Tory officials confirmed that Kwarteng attended the gathering at Law’s home, which was arranged by the Conservative Party’s campaign headquarters, for an hour to talk through his mini-budget plans, giving a five-minute speech. A source close to the chancellor said: “Any suggestion attendees had access to privileged information is total nonsense. The Growth Plan [published earlier that day] included a commitment to review our tax code to make it simpler, better for families and more pro-growth. The government’s ambitions on lowering the tax burden are hardly a state secret.”
Posted by: ginnywings, October 3, 2022, 7:19pm; Reply: 492
Time for a general election. The Tories are all but finished and have no credibility as a party.
Get Labour in, get PR done and let's stop all this 2 party bollox.
Posted by: Humbercod, October 3, 2022, 10:02pm; Reply: 493
Humbercod will be gutted but will back this U-turn because his betters know what’s best for us, whatever they do. The damage has been done billions wasted and mortgage rates will not come down. Absolutely clueless bunch of chancers looking after their banker and hedge fund mates. Everyone prepared to give the new PM a chance has seen them for what they are. Internationally we are a laughing stock, we have gone from clown to clueless without a chance to vote, what sort of democracy is that
I was prepared to give her a fair crack but this pathetic U-turn on tax which would of taken the high rate back to what it was 13 years ago under Labour just goes to show that she’s certainly no Maggie. And with an increase in both legal and illegal immigration I can’t wait to see the back of. She’s weak as May and I doubt we’ll see another Conservative woman as PM in our lifetime.
Unless you’ve been living in a bubble the financial experts have been telling us for years that the record low mortgage rates were not sustainable, and would soon return to the average, But to be fair the rise has been sharp.
Posted by: Humbercod, October 3, 2022, 10:26pm; Reply: 494
Time for a general election. The Tories are all but finished and have no credibility as a party.
Get Labour in, get PR done and let's stop all this 2 party bollox.
Er…Starmer has already ruled out PR hasn’t he😳 Totally agree with the first part but seriously do you honestly think Labour are a credible opposition? What alternative are they even offering? I’ve heard Net zero (subsidised) by 2030 which is absolutely madness and doomed to fail plus Starmers energy plan is just more pie in the sky. He flips and flops like a dying fish, got an bottom full of splinters and he doesn’t even know what a woman is 😂
He spent years trying to get the far left nutter Corbyn into no.10 And Rayner is still very much a staunch socialist, no amount of union flag waving can hide this Marxist woke cult rabble.
Posted by: ginnywings, October 4, 2022, 8:14am; Reply: 495
It's like a game of right wing bingo.
All the favourites are there. Far left nutter, Marxist, woke etc etc.
Keep watching GB nees mate.
Posted by: aldi_01, October 4, 2022, 9:59am; Reply: 496
Always astounds me that people on the right side of politics throw around phrases that they know excrement all about it what they even mean.
Posted by: mariner91, October 4, 2022, 12:15pm; Reply: 497
Er…Starmer has already ruled out PR hasn’t he😳 Totally agree with the first part but seriously do you honestly think Labour are a credible opposition? What alternative are they even offering? I’ve heard Net zero (subsidised) by 2030 which is absolutely madness and doomed to fail plus Starmers energy plan is just more pie in the sky. He flips and flops like a dying fish, got an bottom full of splinters and he doesn’t even know what a woman is 😂
He spent years trying to get the far left nutter Corbyn into no.10 And Rayner is still very much a staunch socialist, no amount of union flag waving can hide this Marxist woke cult rabble.
House!
Posted by: Humbercod, October 4, 2022, 7:18pm; Reply: 498
Sorry, should have said line. No wait, that's Gove.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, October 5, 2022, 7:04am; Reply: 500
11:05 this morning. Should be hilarious until we all remember she’s our f***ing Prime Minister at least for the next few weeks.
Posted by: LH, October 5, 2022, 10:09am; Reply: 501
It’s quite funny how they’ve tried to make it look as if the hall won’t be full because of those pesky unions and not because she’s being deserted by her MPs already. Sunak’s “I’m going to let her own her moment” reason being the most cutting.
Posted by: Maringer, October 5, 2022, 10:15am; Reply: 502
I'd like a journalist to ask Kwarteng if any of his former colleagues in the financial sector haven't made a killing since he took the job of Chancellor? There won't be many of them, if any.
Posted by: LH, October 5, 2022, 12:00pm; Reply: 503
Do they realise how stupid the pie growing line sounds?
Posted by: mariner91, October 5, 2022, 12:26pm; Reply: 504
Do they realise how stupid the pie growing line sounds?
I don't think she understands how stupid she sounds with anything to be honest. Her interview with Beth Rigby was painful. All she's capable of is learning catchphrases and keywords which she then forlornly attempts to shoe horn in to any answer she gives despite often sounding totally ridiculous. It's embarrassing really. Shows a complete inability to think on her feet and would suggest to me that she doesn't fully understand a lot of the issues she's being asked about otherwise she'd be able to answer a question on it directly.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, October 5, 2022, 12:29pm; Reply: 505
I'd like a journalist to ask Kwarteng if any of his former colleagues in the financial sector haven't made a killing since he took the job of Chancellor? There won't be many of them, if any.
And that killing is made from our pension funds, the public sector bodies that provide defined benefit pensions who have to put more of their budget into the pension pots, the BoE that had to step in with £65 billion of our money, and the taxes of current and future working people that will be needed to cover the government debt interest. It's a zero-sum game and working people on PAYE are the losers as ever. Most of the 100,000 or so feckers that brought these bstards into power will already have their fat pension pots tucked away in annuities.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, October 5, 2022, 1:27pm; Reply: 506
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Posted by: chaos33, October 5, 2022, 2:27pm; Reply: 507
So much to say on the never ending sh1t show. A babbling, scripted sloganeering, befuddled, economically illiterate dingbat who nobody wants. Jesus, who the hell are the ‘anti growth coalition’ FFS?!?! What are you talking about?! People who want to keep the ‘status quo’?!? F@ck me…..you are the status quo and your lot have been for the last 12 years! Stop gaslighting us. These conservatives have absolutely ruined this country. Shamed it. Bankrupted it. Lied to it. Isolated it. Divided it. Impoverished most of it and embarrassed and dishonoured it. How people are not on the streets to overthrow them I’m not sure.
I like Caitlin Moran’s “sum it up in a phrase’ moment….
“The Ringmaster has left the circus, and now the lions are eating the clowns.”
Posted by: LH, October 5, 2022, 2:42pm; Reply: 508
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“Everyone’s against us :'(“
Posted by: chaos33, October 5, 2022, 3:12pm; Reply: 509
And the IEA and the Taxpayers Alliance…..? Oh yeah……there they are on the list as the only named entity with direct access to the levers of power. Think Tanks, calling the shots and playing the puppets like Truss because they have money they donate to the Tories and want to manipulate the political and social and economic landscape so they can have yet more of the money for themselves at the expense of everyone else.
To be vested in the status quo you need power and money. The think tanks running the show are the only ones in the ‘anti growth coalition’ list with both. I mean, this is absolutely insane….
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, October 5, 2022, 3:33pm; Reply: 510
I love the idea that there are groups of shadowy, hooded cultists meeting under streetlamps demanding stagnation for the economy. They call themselves the 'Anti Growth Coalition'.......unfortunately not a comedy sketch its our PM's current state of mind.
Anyway, she's had several weeks in power and the supermarkets are still flooded with imported cheese. This is a disgrace! I want her to follow up on her speeches and sort this out.
Posted by: mariner91, October 5, 2022, 3:43pm; Reply: 511
Properly trying to gaslight everyone now. Hopefully enough people will have realised what a complete mess they've made of the country in the last 12 years and won't be fooled again. The mess right now is significantly worse than what they inherited but I'm sure they'll find a way to make it Labour's fault.
Posted by: Hagrid, October 5, 2022, 4:29pm; Reply: 512
general election now.
They are unfit to govern, and have been for some time.
Posted by: Maringer, October 5, 2022, 5:29pm; Reply: 513
It takes some brass neck to claim "vested interests dressed up as think tanks" are against you, when you've given the likes of the IEA and TPA the keys to Downing Street. Could be funded by Putin for all we know - they certainly aren't saying.
I'd like one of the journalists to ask Truss/Kwarteng to give one example of an occasion where tax cuts (when rates are already low and lower than most of our peers) have led to serious, sustained growth in any economy, anywhere.
Also ask why Corporation Tax cuts to increase investment are required when both business tax rates and levels investment are already the lowest in the G7. If lower business taxes led to greater investment, surely our levels of investment would already be higher than the other G7 members! (wacko)
Posted by: chaos33, October 5, 2022, 5:50pm; Reply: 514
But this is economics mate. Facts. Counting. Research. None of that is present in cabinet. Just absolutely unhinged and deranged burblings and empty slogans and insulting the British people thinking they can make them doubt their own sanity, senses, memory.
Posted by: Maringer, October 5, 2022, 6:53pm; Reply: 515
I suppose that any political party that can try to sell such unhinged bullshit as Osborne's 'expansionary austerity' with a straight face doesn't really give a fig about reality.
That didn't work, unsurprisingly, Thatcher's monetarism didn't work (remember over 3 million unemployed?) yet they somehow manage to bluff themselves as being a safe pair of hands for the economy. Trussonomics is absolutely certain that their tax cuts and (associated spending cuts) will cause strong growth, so we really need the media to start pointing out that this is evidence-free bullshit.
Posted by: chaos33, October 5, 2022, 8:46pm; Reply: 516
This is the thing. It is absolutely, demonstrably, categorically a load of cobblers. There is no evidence, no paradigm, no body of academic, economic data to show that it is a strategy with unequivocal results. It’s pure insanity. Nobody who knows anything about economics can oppose that view. You can’t cut tax, diminish wages, go chronically short of labour, have appallingly underfunded public services, unaffordable houses, rising food and fuel prices, high interest rates, rampant inflation and achieve growth! It is quite literally, utter nonsense. You’ve got a government apparently trying to increase consumption, and a B of E trying to squash it. Now, that isn’t going anywhere other than stagnation; where we’ve been and will be for years, due, in most part, to the chronic underfunding of public services and the indisputably rockheaded decision to leave the world’s largest free trade area and single market and impose economic sanctions and chronic labour shortages on ourselves. Remember - labour creates profit (and tax revenue) - profit fires investment and investment and trade drive growth. Somebody tell Truss.
They are either assuming we’re all dumb, or insane and our eyes and ears are faulty. It’s a massive brainwash attempt.
Posted by: chaos33, October 5, 2022, 9:05pm; Reply: 517
Plus, y’know….you can’t ‘grow’ a pie. Nor does saying the same word 3 times - ‘growth, growth and growth’ or ‘deliver, deliver, deliver’ make this empty balderdash mean anything. Clearly the woman has no self awareness, but couldn’t someone politely point out to her that she’s talking absolute hogwash every time she opens her mouth?
I agree with the sentiment that states …’the only thing that makes Liz Truss’ policies and principles even worse, is Liz Truss attempting to talk about those policies and principles.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, October 5, 2022, 9:10pm; Reply: 518
I suppose that any political party that can try to sell such unhinged bullshit as Osborne's 'expansionary austerity' with a straight face doesn't really give a fig about reality.
That didn't work, unsurprisingly, Thatcher's monetarism didn't work (remember over 3 million unemployed?) yet they somehow manage to bluff themselves as being a safe pair of hands for the economy. Trussonomics is absolutely certain that their tax cuts and (associated spending cuts) will cause strong growth, so we really need the media to start pointing out that this is evidence-free bullshit.
This is worse than Osbornomics - Brexit followed by the pandemic and the war has created a supply side shock that needs a largely steady as you go fiscal approach apart from the windfall tax on the upstream energy companies that have made hundreds of billions from the oil and gas price shock, with the focus on investment in NHS, public services and skills. 12 years ago we still could get a doctors appointment, had buses outside metropolitan areas and we were still investing in making houses more energy efficient. Trussonomics is almost the exact opposite of what this country needs
Posted by: chaos33, October 5, 2022, 9:19pm; Reply: 519
Absolutely. The way to grow our economy is via investment in decent wages (and thereby household disposable income) , huge cash inputs into public services, some degree of nationalisation of ‘natural monopoly’ utilities and to seek to rejoin the biggest single, free market trading block in the world to rescue our ailing businesses from the creeping death that has obliterated their export potential.
Posted by: aldi_01, October 6, 2022, 6:46am; Reply: 520
So what you’re saying is, a political party that have essentially spent almost all of the last 122 years in power have copulated us. Of course, it’s everyone else fault but basically we’ve just become part of their experiments. Meanwhile, they, along with their chums have just become richer and more powerful.
The levels of dishonesty, fraud and cronyism that happened during covid was astounding. The fact the public didn’t take to the streets is equally astounding, and whilst I know the Tory government quietly passed laws and guidelines to stop protesting etc, what they were doing was quite frankly, absolutely disgusting.
Alarmingly, people will vote for these idiots, they’ll fall for the guff and nonsense Becauee they simply can’t, or won’t read around the subject and proposals properly. I’m beginning to lose sympathy for those folk and to be honest, when their auntie or grandma or parent can’t get the hospital treatment they need or heat their home and so forth, they’ll get little sympathy from me. As crass as that is, it’s hard to sympathise with them when they had the chance to change it.
Can’t wait for all the whinging illegitimates in the legion to witter on when their contracts are redrawn to when working time directives and the like mean they can work ya to the bone…
We’re copulated. We’re a laughing stock. They’re absolutely 100% clueless and worse than that, they simply don’t care. They do not care at all. They’re alright so that’s all that matters.
Posted by: Stadium, October 31, 2022, 7:17pm; Reply: 521
30p Lee having his say on the immigration situation.
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Posted by: ginnywings, October 31, 2022, 7:27pm; Reply: 522
30p Lee having his say on the immigration situation.
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It's the culture wars, which is why Braverman is in post.
Stir the immigration pot and deflect from what the cabinet is up to. The masses fall for it time and again.
Posted by: LH, October 31, 2022, 9:10pm; Reply: 523
The Home Secretary says illegal immigration is out of control. Her party have been in power for TWELVE years.
Posted by: chaos33, November 1, 2022, 7:22am; Reply: 524
And Brexit was to enable us to ‘take back control of our borders’. Now, it’s obvious to anyone with eyes, ears and an understanding of data, that we’ve actually got little control and in fact, less control than ever.
Posted by: aldi_01, November 1, 2022, 7:26am; Reply: 525
The Home Secretary says illegal immigration is out of control. Her party have been in power for TWELVE years.
And numbers are technically down. Braverman is a racist, a lying racist and is a dangerous woman.
We’ve created a country that peddles so much nonsense about immigration that we’ve got 66 year old men throwing petrol bombs at immigration holding centre’s because mainstream media is providing a platform to hate mongers like Farage and social media that allows groups like Britain First, EDL, NA and so on to seemingly do whatever they want, a country where 1 in 5 people serving time for terrorism are white supremacists, far right nutters. More children referred to PREVENT for right wing extremism than ever before.
Of course though, the country’s ills lie at the feet of immigration, not greed, tax avoidance, condemnation of the lower classes and the poor. Not the most chaotic government ever seen since 2016, a succession of prime ministers that are quite simply incompetent, Home Secretary’s allowing their mates to frequent the home office and garner information to generate themselves wealth on thr stock market, health ministers shovelling millions in to the pockets of their mates and a chancellor who has worked tirelessly to privatise the one thing every single person benefits from simply to make himself ald his hedge fund mates even richer.
Definitely the fault of poor fornicators so desperate to get away from their own countries they allow themselves to be exploited by organised crime gangs and risk their lives to just get here.
It wasn’t a terrorist attack though, oh no, it was a ‘fire attack’ carried out by a deranged man suffering acute mental health problems, of course, had he brown skin I think we all know the angle would’ve been different, regardless of mental health.
The country is copulated. We’re getting copulated but come the next election, we all know, deep down, flipping morons will still vote for this absolute flipping steaming dog turd of a government. A flipping disgrace of a cabinet, one that makes you sick, not that good sick with carrots though, the one that means you can drink a few more light ales but that horrible, wet, watery highly acidic sick that burns and hurts your throat, the one where you don’t feel any better.
flipping scum.
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, November 1, 2022, 2:31pm; Reply: 526
They all want the immigration circus to continue though don't they? The criminal gangs make a fortune bringing them over, then the MP's make a fortune allegedly potentially gain from gifting their outsourcing buddies at serco and the like £7 million a day to house them in hotels. They then keep the process as long winded and unfit for purpose as possible to really milk the system before plucking out a load of them to send back......and in steps the massive london law firms to represent penniless immigrants and keep them here in the legal process for years. All at the taxpayers expense. They are simply used as human chattel on a profit making merry-go-round as far as I can tell.
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, November 3, 2022, 9:49am; Reply: 527
Conservative MP Andrew Bridgen should be suspended from the House of Commons for five sitting days, a cross-party committee of MPs has recommended.
The Standards Committee found the North West Leicestershire MP had displayed a "cavalier" attitude to lobbying rules.
It said he had breached rules on registration, declaration and paid lobbying "on multiple occasions and in multiple ways".
The whole House of Commons will have to vote on any sanction.
A suspension of two days has been recommended for breaches of two sections of the MPs' Code of Conduct and a further three days for what the committee describes as an "unacceptable attack upon the integrity" of Standards Commissioner Kathryn Stone.
Mr Bridgen has previously denied any wrongdoing.
If it's unacceptable, why does he keep his job as an MP? Is 5 days suspension really a deterrent or punishment?
Posted by: chaos33, November 4, 2022, 6:09am; Reply: 528
Appalling. I’m a public servant. If I engaged in a fraction of this misconduct, I’d be out. Absolutely disgraceful transgression of the Nolan principles. What’s the consequence? ‘Have 5 days off old boy. Put your feet up’. Makes me furious.
Posted by: chaos33, November 4, 2022, 6:20am; Reply: 529
Posted by: aldi_01, November 4, 2022, 7:01am; Reply: 530
Appalling. I’m a public servant. If I engaged in a fraction of this misconduct, I’d be out. Absolutely disgraceful transgression of the Nolan principles. What’s the consequence? ‘Have 5 days off old boy. Put your feet up’. Makes me furious.
I was thinking this whilst having a pint the other day; if I showed that level of disdain, the level of vitriol and hatred towards others and stood up publicly and quoted false information I’d be sacked…
Posted by: Maringer, November 9, 2022, 12:11am; Reply: 531
Williamson has gone, then. Didn't take long, did it? Sunak knew about what Williamson had been up to but gave the slippery little fornicator a job in the cabinet regardless, to try and cement his own position. Who is going to be next, I wonder?
Only surprise is that it wasn't Braverman getting the heave-ho, but I suppose we're only half way through the week.
What else? Oh, apparently, Johnson's flunkies who are to be awarded peerages are going to remain as MPs until the next election because they don't want to trigger by-elections. Democracy, eh? Who'd believe it?
Posted by: aldi_01, November 9, 2022, 6:48am; Reply: 532
Williamson has gone, then. Didn't take long, did it? Sunak knew about what Williamson had been up to but gave the slippery little fornicator a job in the cabinet regardless, to try and cement his own position. Who is going to be next, I wonder?
Only surprise is that it wasn't Braverman getting the heave-ho, but I suppose we're only half way through the week.
What else? Oh, apparently, Johnson's flunkies who are to be awarded peerages are going to remain as MPs until the next election because they don't want to trigger by-elections. Democracy, eh? Who'd believe it?
flipping laughable that Sunak had the audacity to say what he said first day he was in office literally knowing all this stuff about folk, then giving them jobs…he’s only copulated off to Egypt to hide away from it all, he couldn’t give a rats are about climate change.
Posted by: DB, November 9, 2022, 7:03am; Reply: 533
In his first hour Sunak spoke of integrity, well that's gone down the pan in only a few days.
Posted by: Maringer, November 9, 2022, 7:28am; Reply: 534
What I don't get is how somebody as untalented and apparently unpleasant as Williamson can get to be such a senior politician, despite his ineptitude in every job he's ever done (selling fireplaces aside). I always sort of assumed he must have some dirt on Johnson to be brought back in from the cold after being fired for leaking national security stuff to the media, but surely he can't have anything on Sunak as well?
What sort of a person tells a colleague to 'slit your throat' or 'jump out of a window?' It's just weird.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, November 9, 2022, 10:58am; Reply: 535
What I don't get is how somebody as untalented and apparently unpleasant as Williamson can get to be such a senior politician, despite his ineptitude in every job he's ever done (selling fireplaces aside). I always sort of assumed he must have some dirt on Johnson to be brought back in from the cold after being fired for leaking national security stuff to the media, but surely he can't have anything on Sunak as well?
What sort of a person tells a colleague to 'slit your throat' or 'jump out of a window?' It's just weird.
You're right and I agree, he must have something. The cabinet is built on the old boy's network (especially the Eton old boy's network) but Williamson didn't go to Eton or Oxford and doesn't appear to move in those circles. There was a rumour that he was the person who walked in on Johnson being blown by Carrie Antoinette in Johnson's office and therefore Johnson had to look after him to keep his gob shut (and that's what the knighthood was for) but that doesn't explain Sunak bringing him back.
He's one of the cabinet (now ex) who would have been a backbench MP under Thatcher and she would have probably not even known his name.
Posted by: chaos33, November 9, 2022, 3:43pm; Reply: 536
Just a dispicable human. What sickened me today, at PMQs, was to observe that other hateful human being and corrupt incompetent narcissist Suella Braverman shake her head and glower in anger and disagreement as Starmer called Williamson a ‘pathetic bully’. You don’t agree Suella? That’s not an observable human fact? Obviously because she’s cut from the same ragged and spite fuelled cloth as him, and has about the same level of honour, integrity and talent - ie none whatsoever. How is she still there - she’s utterly horrible and a totally destructive liability. Maybe because Williamson took the heat off her.
This lot are done. It’s a never ending line and hateful merry go round that populates that cabinet. Proven liars and public office disgracers the lot of them. Braverman, Baker, Raab, Coffey, Schapps, Gove, Cleverly - and the rest. They’re like a death cult. Get rid of one and up steps the next. The cockroach conservatives - cut off their head and they still keep up their stinking infestation. The worst collection of people ever to govern this country by a trillion miles and the ruiner of our reputation, economy and social fabric and international standing. British citizens deserve so much better and are so much better as compassionate, tolerant hard working folk.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, November 9, 2022, 4:36pm; Reply: 537
Don't be so certain that they are done!
This government is a front for a super rich elite who control politicians (through money) to protect their own self interest. They are effectively disaster capitalists who profit from chaos and division. This elite also control large parts of the media and has enormous influence over how a significant majority of the populace thinks through the Daily Mail, The Sun and the BBC (run by a significant Tory donor) etc
When the election comes this influencing machine will align with a single cause, keeping the Tories in power. And there is no limit to how low they will go.
Posted by: Chrisblor, November 9, 2022, 5:31pm; Reply: 538
Starmer has his own vile little playground bully sat on the front bench with him:
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Can't start giving it out over bullying in the Conservative Party when your own Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care is throwing out ableist slurs towards colleagues in the workplace. If Starmer was remotely serious about this stuff instead of using it for point scoring he'd kick Streeting out of the shadow cabinet, but I won't hold my breath.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, November 9, 2022, 7:54pm; Reply: 539
To see news story after news story about his rich history of cuntyness with him being named as 'Sir Gavin Williamson' also shows up the honours system for the farce it is. What has he done to deserve a Knighthood? Sell fireplaces and act like a child bully as an elected representative. I bet Beckham is fuming.
Posted by: Hagrid, November 10, 2022, 8:05pm; Reply: 540
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Our “ local” MP ranting on twitter that Kier Starmer visited Grimsby and didnt tell her. She is a clueless useless hopeless cow
Posted by: ginnywings, November 10, 2022, 8:28pm; Reply: 541
More sh1t comes out of her mouth than Anglian Water pour into the Humber.
Vile woman.
Posted by: Maringer, November 10, 2022, 8:50pm; Reply: 542
If Starmer had told her he was coming to Grimsby, she might even have made the effort herself!
Nah, probably not.
And I write that as somebody who doesn't like Starmer. The wrong man for the job and the same goes for most of the shadow cabinet. Yet still better than the alternative.
Posted by: aldi_01, November 10, 2022, 9:44pm; Reply: 543
Our “ local” MP ranting on twitter that Kier Starmer visited Grimsby and didnt tell her. She is a clueless useless hopeless cow
This woman is an absolute idiot. A waste of spunk and a waste of a wage. The irony oozes from her scarf ladened body.
Got to admire someone who’s who is so big she thinks a bloke with a career like Starmer would be scared of her, a woman who basically publicly pipes off her love, Mr Johnson…
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, November 11, 2022, 9:51am; Reply: 544
Her tweet reads like she's some sort of local gangster who demands that any outsiders let her know when they are on her patch.
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, November 11, 2022, 10:00am; Reply: 545
Second time he's been to Grimsby, 2 times more than some........was he there to buy a town shirt?
Genuinely though, is this a thing? Are you supposed to tell other politicians what you're doing?
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, November 11, 2022, 10:05am; Reply: 546
Her tweet reads like she's some sort of local gangster who demands that any outsiders let her know when they are on her patch.
"Once you've passed the Bumblebees Day Nursery, just before you get to the mini roundabout… you know, on Elmsleigh Gardens… then you is in the Westside." - Lia Nici Indhouse movie, she wanted to save the John Nike Leisure Centre innit
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, November 18, 2022, 5:03pm; Reply: 547
Perfect segue into Don't Stop Me Now. 😂
Posted by: Stadium, December 4, 2022, 5:27pm; Reply: 548
Posted by: Maringer, December 10, 2022, 12:38am; Reply: 549
Just happened to read this article earlier, which tells the story of Tory Vermin discovered to have been acting like vermin during the height of the pandemic:
Just happened to read this article earlier, which tells the story of Tory Vermin discovered to have been acting like vermin during the height of the pandemic:
Not just Mone, of course, some of the vermin were those in goverment at the time as well.
They were all at it I'm afraid, the MP and Lords referral system is a green light for corruption and has never been challenged because all the people in positions to change it, benefit from it. I'm impressed they are actually investigating tbh, I thought they would all want it swept under the carpet and forgotten about. Whatever else covid-19 was, it was used as a vehicle to redistribute massive amounts of public funds into private hands. Most of them will get away with it but I suspect we'll keep seeing stories like this for years to come and justice might reach a few.
Posted by: Sandford1981, December 13, 2022, 2:13pm; Reply: 551
They were all at it I'm afraid, the MP and Lords referral system is a green light for corruption and has never been challenged because all the people in positions to change it, benefit from it. I'm impressed they are actually investigating tbh, I thought they would all want it swept under the carpet and forgotten about. Whatever else covid-19 was, it was used as a vehicle to redistribute massive amounts of public funds into private hands. Most of them will get away with it but I suspect we'll keep seeing stories like this for years to come and justice might reach a few.
Could they be any more Tory than that!? I’d not be surprised to see it as an aim on a mind numbing PowerPoint presentation at the Conservative party conference.
Posted by: ginnywings, December 13, 2022, 9:56pm; Reply: 552
They were all at it I'm afraid, the MP and Lords referral system is a green light for corruption and has never been challenged because all the people in positions to change it, benefit from it. I'm impressed they are actually investigating tbh, I thought they would all want it swept under the carpet and forgotten about. Whatever else covid-19 was, it was used as a vehicle to redistribute massive amounts of public funds into private hands. Most of them will get away with it but I suspect we'll keep seeing stories like this for years to come and justice might reach a few.
This guy explains it for the hard of thinking. He's a working class lad who ended up working as a trader for Citibank and now campaigns for a fairer system of wealth distribution.
Posted by: Maringer, December 14, 2022, 12:08am; Reply: 553
Interesting in some ways, but he's wrong in quite a few aspects.
For instance, he doesn't m ention that the "Black Hole" in the government's finances we have heard so much about in recent months is just completely arbitrary. That is just caused by the government's fiscal rules (which are basically plucked out of thin air) about when we need to 'balance the books'. (N.B. The government's finances will never be balanced and nor should they be).
He's correct that one man's debt is another man's savings and that the economy is certainly geared up to transfer wealth ever upwards so the rich have become much richer in recent years. No mention about the intricacies of money creation in the modern day, however. To 'pay' for the measures taken out to support the economy during the early years of the Covid pandemic, the Bank of England simply created money for the government to spend. Who owns the BoE? The UK government. Much of the debt isn't a concern simply due to this fact.
He's right in many regards (and is campaigning for the right outcomes), but is tilting at windmills in others.
Want to see the national debt in action? Get yourself, say, a £5 note, and know that you are holding part of the UK national debt in your hand. You can use it to buy things so it's actually pretty useful.
Posted by: ginnywings, December 14, 2022, 12:34pm; Reply: 554
Interesting in some ways, but he's wrong in quite a few aspects.
For instance, he doesn't m ention that the "Black Hole" in the government's finances we have heard so much about in recent months is just completely arbitrary. That is just caused by the government's fiscal rules (which are basically plucked out of thin air) about when we need to 'balance the books'. (N.B. The government's finances will never be balanced and nor should they be).
He's correct that one man's debt is another man's savings and that the economy is certainly geared up to transfer wealth ever upwards so the rich have become much richer in recent years. No mention about the intricacies of money creation in the modern day, however. To 'pay' for the measures taken out to support the economy during the early years of the Covid pandemic, the Bank of England simply created money for the government to spend. Who owns the BoE? The UK government. Much of the debt isn't a concern simply due to this fact.
He's right in many regards (and is campaigning for the right outcomes), but is tilting at windmills in others.
Want to see the national debt in action? Get yourself, say, a £5 note, and know that you are holding part of the UK national debt in your hand. You can use it to buy things so it's actually pretty useful.
You say he is wrong on some things, yet if you look at his history, he was Citibank's top trader for a while, so I think he knows how debt works; he made millions knowing how it works and betting against the perceived wisdom of economists.
Posted by: Maringer, December 14, 2022, 2:54pm; Reply: 555
Nah - don't forget that the banking crisis which required massive government intervention around the world to support the economy came about because the bankers didn't understand what they heck they were doing in the derivatives market. Citibank included - they sacked thousands and lost tens of billions because of it.
This Gary chap obviously understands how the financial markets work from his time working in them but the financial markets don't really understand how the real economy works and actively pretend that fiat money is something different to what it actually is. They are dominated by neoliberal thinking which has been dominant for decades, hence Kwarteng's moronic policy choices during his brief stint as Chancellor. It's no surprise that the financial sector back the Tories so much - they've made an absolute mint from their policies for decades now. Something about to be repeated by the latest Tory clownshoe operating as Chancellor, Hunt, who is rolling back the restrictions on the banking sector which were put in place after they copulated things up back in 2007/2008! Gee, I wonder what will happen at some unspecified point in the future?
The rise in asset prices following the massive amounts of QE after the banking crisis wasn't a huge surprise - many of the right-wing economists were claiming QE would lead to massive inflation, but what we saw was the low interest rates, low inflation and falling wages thanks to austerity. This guy obviously took his decisions based on analysis which matched that of the left-wing economists and did well for himself out of it. Given his current campaigning, he's obviously left-leaning at the very least.
I am certainly in agreement with him about the need to tax higher earners more (and equalise capital gains tax with the basic rate of income tax, at the very least), but his view that the transfer of wealth is why we are hearing so much about the 'black hole' isn't really right. That is just caused by another (incorrect) choice by the government!
It might be that he is just basing these talks on overly-simplified models deliberately to avoid confusion - in that link, he doesn't even mention the fact that about 25% or 30% of government debt is held by foreign investors. We can't tax them! However, this isn't a massive issue as, if we owe them money, we can simply create more of it.
I suppose my problem is that, although he's campaigning for the right aims, he's not really explaining it clearly enough. Taxing the wealthy properly would be a good start, but that's not going to help a great deal if the government then does nothing more than tinkering around the edges of where we are now.
Posted by: Sandford1981, December 17, 2022, 7:22am; Reply: 556
Posted by: Maringer, December 17, 2022, 5:21pm; Reply: 557
Problem is that the political situation is becoming too ridiculous even for Pie's rants to draw too many laughs as everything is going down the crapper. Must be a very difficult time to be a satirist given the penchant of the politicians to send themselves up every time they open their mouths!
Posted by: Sandford1981, December 17, 2022, 5:52pm; Reply: 558
Apart from the odd turn of phrase and amusing way of expressing himself I find little funny about his material in fairness. I enjoy his rants because he speaks the truth and calls it how it is.
Posted by: WOZOFGRIMSBY, December 18, 2022, 1:04pm; Reply: 559
Am not going to read through all the slagging off of our wonderful (sic) government. As a life long (ok only 30 years) Tory supporter I actually do wonder what is going on. If it wasn’t for labour having corbyn/ starmer in charge then I do think the country would now, be ruled from a red flagged downing st.
The issue is, there are no parties that have a leader strong enough to guide a country. Even in the republic (of Ireland) they have just re-elected former Taoiseach Leo Varadkar in what many have called the worlds longest game of musical chairs. As mentioned in many places, the people elected (unfortunately not by the public) to run the country aren’t even any good at doing that
Posted by: Maringer, December 18, 2022, 2:02pm; Reply: 560
The question is, why do you support the Tories? In recent decades at least, they have lied endlessly, been as corrupt as intercourse, whether it's taking money from Russian oligarchs or feathering their nests during Covid. They are only interested in shrinking the state i.e. selling off public assets and outsourcing public services to companies run by their mates and donors.
And they've been doing it so long that we're at the stage where the country is ceasing to function properly with no improvement in sight. Let's not even mention the shitshow that is Brexit.
Just what have they done to earn any votes? I sort of understand how the land-owning classes and wealthy will always back them, because they are doing very well, thank you. But everyone else? I just don't get it.
They've had an undeserved reputation for economic competence for longer than I can remember which has to be the biggest con trick the country has ever seen.
Posted by: ginnywings, December 18, 2022, 10:04pm; Reply: 561
Agreed Maringer. One of life's great mysteries to me is working people voting Tory. Don't get it; never have, never will. They couldn't give a flying fook about the vast majority of this country.
I'm also baffled by personality politics. You should vote for a party, not the person at the head of said party. Most of the stuff you hear about the leaders of the Labour party is bollox anyway, and is made up by the mostly right wing media, which is owned and run by billionaires with a vested interest.
Then we come to Boris Johnson, who is a known liar, cheat, philanderer and all round sh1t, yet people were happy to vote for him knowing all this, while vilifying Corbyn for stuff he wasn't even guilty of.
You have to hand it to the Tories though, they are brilliant at what they do. One face to the public and a totally different one behind closed doors.
Posted by: aldi_01, December 19, 2022, 7:01am; Reply: 562
Agreed Maringer. One of life's great mysteries to me is working people voting Tory. Don't get it; never have, never will. They couldn't give a flying fook about the vast majority of this country.
I'm also baffled by personality politics. You should vote for a party, not the person at the head of said party. Most of the stuff you hear about the leaders of the Labour party is bollox anyway, and is made up by the mostly right wing media, which is owned and run by billionaires with a vested interest.
Then we come to Boris Johnson, who is a known liar, cheat, philanderer and all round sh1t, yet people were happy to vote for him knowing all this, while vilifying Corbyn for stuff he wasn't even guilty of.
You have to hand it to the Tories though, they are brilliant at what they do. One face to the public and a totally different one behind closed doors.
I’ve come to the conclusion over the last few years that the majority of the voting public must be thick or stupid. Or, they simply can’t be arsed. There’s no way on gods Green earth that any working man, average person should ever be able to align themselves with the values of a party the strives only to make everyone else’s life a misery in their quest for being rich.
In the last election some numpty, in a school I hasten to add, said that they were voting for Boris because he’s like them, I excrement you not.
My reply? ‘So you’re a womanising, adulterer who lies and scams your way through life, sending death threats to follow colleagues and takes back handed payments’
Nothing but a fact, not anti tory, nor pro someone else…their reply? ‘You just don’t like tories’…not even a denial…
flipping oddballs…
Posted by: mariner91, December 20, 2022, 9:52am; Reply: 563
Agreed Maringer. One of life's great mysteries to me is working people voting Tory. Don't get it; never have, never will. They couldn't give a flying fook about the vast majority of this country.
I'm also baffled by personality politics. You should vote for a party, not the person at the head of said party. Most of the stuff you hear about the leaders of the Labour party is bollox anyway, and is made up by the mostly right wing media, which is owned and run by billionaires with a vested interest.
Then we come to Boris Johnson, who is a known liar, cheat, philanderer and all round sh1t, yet people were happy to vote for him knowing all this, while vilifying Corbyn for stuff he wasn't even guilty of.
You have to hand it to the Tories though, they are brilliant at what they do. One face to the public and a totally different one behind closed doors.
Yeah but makes "funny" comments and is a man of the people. That's the bit that gets me, he couldn't be more the establishment if he tried but has managed to con people to think he's some sort of underdog peoples' champion. People are thick.
Posted by: Maringer, December 23, 2022, 12:16pm; Reply: 564
Here's a twitter thread featuring excerpts showing how the Tories have copulated the country over since 2010:
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Unfortunately, the linked article seems to be paywalled now (should be free to read).
Posted by: Stadium, December 23, 2022, 6:34pm; Reply: 565
Here's a twitter thread featuring excerpts showing how the Tories have copulated the country over since 2010:
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Unfortunately, the linked article seems to be paywalled now (should be free to read).
Nah, it was all someone else's fault. The Tories are fiscally astute; ask any Tory.
Posted by: Stadium, December 23, 2022, 9:24pm; Reply: 567
You do have to laugh at articles like this, paywalled in the Torygraph.
Absolute clown ,not unlike our two local non entities.
'People care when they see their money spent on illegal immigrants'
By Lee Anderson, MP for Ashfield and chairman of the Blue Collar Tory group
I voted Conservative for the first time at a General Election in 2019 and, like millions of ex-Labour voters in Red Wall areas, we felt that we were being listened to by a party that we are supposed to despise.
The transition was an easy one for us as we had Brexit, Boris, Corbyn and a simple message of “Get Brexit Done”, which led to a massive 80-seat majority and the chance to change the course of history. It was an exciting time for us as we knew that billions of pounds were coming into the ex-Labour areas after decades of neglect. My own constituency has benefited from over £100 million worth of investment on regeneration, health, and education.
Now I can stick all that on a leaflet and post it through every one of the 48,000 letter boxes in Ashfield, but I can guarantee you, it won’t make the slightest difference come election time. That is because Red Wall voters were promised levelling up and expected it, but they were also promised tighter controls on immigration, lower taxes, and better policing. And let’s be honest, there is room for improvement in all those areas.
In the Government’s defence, we’ve had a once-in-a-lifetime pandemic as well as the war in Ukraine and now the strikes led by power-crazed union leaders. That said, our voters are getting impatient as they see the cost of energy rising whilst the lawmakers in parliament force feed net zero down our throats at every opportunity, and the TV channels report the latest COP event as though viewers will be glued to their screens watching every second. I can tell you that out of all the thousands of doors I have knocked on I cannot remember one person talking about carbon footprints, emissions, or COP27.
Yes, they care and want to leave our planet in a better state than when they arrived, but most people live for the moment. People care about how far their hard-earned cash will go, will their kids go to a decent school? They want our police to patrol our streets and, when called upon, for the NHS to be there to look after them.
The hardworking people in our country also don’t mind paying their fair share of taxes to continue the record amounts of investment this Government has ploughed into our NHS, education, transport, policing, and the energy support schemes which are helping millions of people throughout the country. But people do care when they see their taxes being spent on housing illegal immigrants and they do care about the millions now be wasted on the increasing woke culture within our public services where despite asking for more cash every week, they seem to find enough money to waste on made up roles to tell us all how racist, sexist, and transphobic they all are. The hardworking taxpayer is also angry about their next-door neighbour who is making just as much money by working just a few hours a week or not working at all.
Us Brits are a fair-minded bunch, and we just want to live in a fair society where we all contribute something and get a decent return. I believe that the Conservative party is the only party that can provide that because - although we are an extremely broad church - the one thing that runs through all our veins is that we want to live in a country full of aspiration. And be in no doubt, for all the negative stuff we read about our country you can achieve pretty much whatever you want if you are prepared to work hard and grab opportunities as they come along.
We have had three Prime Ministers in quick succession but finally I feel there is some stability. And to give credit where credit is due, under Rishi we have managed to give the green light to a new coal mine, despite all the nonsense being spouted by the tree huggers. And he has promised to bring in new legislation to stop illegal immigrants claiming asylum. These kinds of polices are sweet music to the ears of Blue-Collar Conservatives like me and the first time Tory voters from 2019. We have two years to start lowering taxes, get energy bills under control, sort out immigration, get the benefit bill down and start locking up the eco-terrorists. Get all that right and I predict another five years for us, get it wrong then I fear for our future.
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, January 10, 2023, 3:16pm; Reply: 568
I find myself envious of Mr Anderson's powers of delusion.
Worryingly though, he's bang on the money here - We have two years to start lowering taxes, get energy bills under control, sort out immigration, get the benefit bill down and start locking up the eco-terrorists. Get all that right and I predict another five years for us - with very short memories in the general public all they need to do is ride out the storm, fudge some figures to make those things look better (without actually being any better) and they could well secure another 5 years with good PR. So many people believe what's written in papers and on social media it's unreal.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, January 10, 2023, 5:35pm; Reply: 569
Remembering that time Lee Anderson was complaining about 'the woke' not allowing Les Dawson to get shown on television these days whilst watching Les Dawson on television these days.
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Posted by: Sandford1981, January 10, 2023, 6:34pm; Reply: 571
They are making us more like the Yanks day by day.
Posted by: Maringer, January 20, 2023, 11:42pm; Reply: 576
Unsurprisingly, the Conservative Party Chairman (who had the brass neck to accept the role of Chancellor of the Exchequer) appears to be duplicitous vermin:
Set up his affairs to avoid millions in tax, lied about it, threatened legal action whenever his lies were revealed and, ultimately, paid up with HMRC including a hefty penalty for the previous lies. The alternative explanation is just that he and his advisors are really stupid folk who just happened to make a series of complicated choices which just happened to benefit him in every case. Until the actual state of affairs came to light.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 21, 2023, 10:22am; Reply: 577
Sad thing is that it's not in the least bit surprising.
They are all at it whilst telling us to tighten our belts, which has been the message since Cameron was in office. If we tighten them any more, we will be cut in half.
Made me laugh when that woman asked Spock to lend her 20 quid to help pay her heating bill.
Posted by: aldi_01, January 22, 2023, 1:18pm; Reply: 578
Article today that many an unaccompanied asylum seeking children have essentially been kidnapped from Home Office contracted accommodation…not a murmer…
They’re scum of the highest order, a party devoid of any care and compassion for anyone but themselves. A disgusting group of people who seek to serve only themselves…gross and vile…
Posted by: DB, January 22, 2023, 5:38pm; Reply: 579
Unsurprisingly, the Conservative Party Chairman (who had the brass neck to accept the role of Chancellor of the Exchequer) appears to be duplicitous vermin:
Set up his affairs to avoid millions in tax, lied about it, threatened legal action whenever his lies were revealed and, ultimately, paid up with HMRC including a hefty penalty for the previous lies. The alternative explanation is just that he and his advisors are really stupid folk who just happened to make a series of complicated choices which just happened to benefit him in every case. Until the actual state of affairs came to light.
So it would appear the man who was chancellor, in charge of HMRC, was already at loggerheads with HMRC regarding his own personal tax affairs. It all adds up to a poor choice by Truss who must have been complicit in ruining the economy in her short rule as PM.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, January 27, 2023, 12:28pm; Reply: 580
"Boris Johnson picked up an advance of more than £500,000 for his forthcoming memoir, according to the register of MPs’ financial interests.
Johnson’s latest entry in the register says he “received £510,000 as an advance on an upcoming book yet to be published” – even though he has so far done just 10 hours of work on it.
It comes after MPs were told on Thursday that taxpayers may face a bill of more than £222,000 to cover Johnson’s legal fees to defend himself in the Partygate inquiry."
Posted by: Sandford1981, January 27, 2023, 4:52pm; Reply: 581
Someone sent me this from yesterday!
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Un-bloody-believable!!!
Posted by: chaos33, January 27, 2023, 6:47pm; Reply: 582
Too many of these absolute idiots, unfortunately. I see Jonathan Gullis plumbed new depths earlier this week.
Vermin is too mild a word.
Posted by: ginnywings, January 27, 2023, 10:37pm; Reply: 583
The older I get, the more I hate Tories and I don't use he word hate lightly.
What they have done to this country is beyond disgusting and when I hear people defending them despite all the evidence in front of their eyes, I get so fooking angry.
Should stop these imbeciles voting.
Posted by: DB, January 28, 2023, 3:14am; Reply: 584
Locally we read they have blown a govt. grant and borrowed money to buy Freshney Place, a business that could not make a profit for its previous owners otherwise they would not sell it. Over £1 million of Council Tax is to be spent on the Corporation Road bridge but do nothing about the 200 homeless people the GT alleged are sleeping rough on the streets every night.
Posted by: aldi_01, January 28, 2023, 7:08am; Reply: 585
Locally we read they have blown a govt. grant and borrowed money to buy Freshney Place, a business that could not make a profit for its previous owners otherwise they would not sell it. Over £1 million of Council Tax is to be spent on the Corporation Road bridge but do nothing about the 200 homeless people the GT alleged are sleeping rough on the streets every night.
To be fair, in the councils defence, buying Freshney Place was sensible in so much that they can now do with it as they see fit and if they want to redevelop, they can. The reason it, as an entity failed to make profit was greed on behalf of the owners and irresponsible attitude to changing retail habits.
The council tax spend on the bridge seems excessive but is needed to maintain it and keep it safe.
The homelessness thing is a pandemic in itself and funding is available to provide support and care but, again, you have to ask the question why it’s a problem at all in an alleged civilised country.
The tories have had power for practically the entire 20th and 21sr century and the country has deteriorated because of a party that acts to serve only itself…but somehow there are morons who still believe the ‘Labour ruined it’ line…
Imagine being so thick that you’d vote for a party that would happily see your family die and kids starve, simply Becauee to believe falsified stories about labour, or whoever else is in the running…
Posted by: Sandford1981, January 28, 2023, 7:33am; Reply: 586
Imagine being so thick that you’d vote for a party that would happily see your family die and kids starve, simply Becauee to believe falsified stories about labour, or whoever else is in the running…
I think it comes from a basic need to have ‘an other’ to rally against and oppress. People could literally vote to improve their own lives but don’t because they would rather vote to make someone else's lives poorer! Often it’s a sub group like immigrants, the homeless, mentally ill, the unemployed, workers who want fair pay and conditions… When that is your logic based on anger and bitterness it’s difficult to rectify for anyone trying to bring about change.
Posted by: BlackandWhiteBarmy2, January 28, 2023, 11:13am; Reply: 587
I have started to get triggered by all these idiots. The Tories love people like this. They'll probably vote for the destruction and eventual sale of the NHS because the Daily Mail told them a Romanian immigrant had their appendix removed at a Hospital whilst 50 pensioners sat in A&E with a bad case of the 'I demand to see a consultant' syndrome.
If you really want to get triggered by the nouveau right then this YouTube account will work for you.
Posted by: AdamHaddock, January 28, 2023, 11:21am; Reply: 588
With the state of the country now and the fact that levelling up has turned out to be more lip service, you'd think people will have finally cottoned on. The Tories and their press barons will have to work extra hard to distract people and keep them stressed about "all these immigrants", "all these benefit scroungers", "all these snowflakes", and whoever the daily scapegoat is.
Posted by: LH, January 29, 2023, 11:39am; Reply: 589
Of all of them Zahawi’s downfall is one of the most enjoyable.
Posted by: Maringer, January 29, 2023, 4:20pm; Reply: 590
Makes me wonder if there is more to come on Zahawi as well. He's reportedly paying 8% interest on a mortgage taken out with another Trust in Gibraltar held in the name of his parents. Why would somebody who is more than wealthy enough to buy a property outright pay such a huge rate of interest? Something to do with tax reliefs, I'd imagine.
But I'm sure he's not a beneficiary of this trust in exactly the same way he wasn't a beneficiary of the other one which somehow led to him being fined a million quid for tax avoidance.
Posted by: Stadium, January 29, 2023, 5:39pm; Reply: 591
No hint of an apology ,just a pathetic attack on the press. Which he tried to threaten when his dealings came to light.
Locally we read they have blown a govt. grant and borrowed money to buy Freshney Place, a business that could not make a profit for its previous owners otherwise they would not sell it. Over £1 million of Council Tax is to be spent on the Corporation Road bridge but do nothing about the 200 homeless people the GT alleged are sleeping rough on the streets every night.
I would like to think that under council ownership, they can offer all the units out dirt cheap rent-wise to attract loads of shops both local and national and create jobs etc......the track record of local councils in the UK makes me think something as sensible as that will never happen though.
Posted by: moosey_club, February 4, 2023, 10:23am; Reply: 593
Sorry if it has been covered somewhere already , did a quick look back and didn't see anything, I see Melanie Onn maybe lining herself up for a comeback ? I hope thats not the best candidate we are offered locally.
Posted by: Sandford1981, February 4, 2023, 1:42pm; Reply: 594
Sorry if it has been covered somewhere already , did a quick look back and didn't see anything, I see Melanie Onn maybe lining herself up for a comeback ? I hope thats not the best candidate we are offered locally.
A discarded poo bag hanging from a tree branch next to an over flowing dog waste bin could stand and still be more useful than the current excuse we have in position!
Posted by: ginnywings, February 4, 2023, 8:11pm; Reply: 595
Someone has put some home made blue plaques along the seafront. The type you see on a house where a famous person was born or lived.
They reference Vickers and Nici and their decision to vote for pumping raw sewage into the sea of the constituency they both purport to represent.
Won't be long before the council remove them I would have thought.
Hope both the cnts get kicked out at the next election.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, February 5, 2023, 12:23pm; Reply: 596
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Total bonkers alternative reality thinking from Liz Truss on her 'comeback'. How moronic do you have to be to think the economic establishment is left wing.
Posted by: Maringer, February 5, 2023, 2:11pm; Reply: 597
She's either as dim as it appears or simply has to do what she's told by the Tufton Street mob. All the dodgy think tanks there have been pushing this stuff for decades and they aren't going to let the fact that the implementation of these brain dead policies caused an immediate financial crisis stop them!
Just as a reminder, there is no evidence anywhere that big tax cuts lead to growth. None.
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Posted by: OddShapedBalls, February 6, 2023, 8:56am; Reply: 599
Total bonkers alternative reality thinking from Liz Truss on her 'comeback'. How moronic do you have to be to think the economic establishment is left wing.
Is this her' quiet batpeople' moment?
Posted by: chaos33, February 6, 2023, 10:07am; Reply: 600
I mean, she’s absolutely mental, and that notion is even more crackers!
Posted by: Sandford1981, February 6, 2023, 1:01pm; Reply: 601
Wasn't she on about a conspiracy against her whilst in office? The Anti Growth Alliance or something? Crackers.
That's right, the Anti Growth Alliance, twinned with the left wing economic establishment and bank rolled by all those dastardly union barons.
Posted by: aldi_01, February 7, 2023, 6:57am; Reply: 605
I saw a great analogy yesterday…
Comebacks are for being universally liked, you come back to fill a void, you don’t make a comeback when you’re universally hated and were a complete and utter disaster…
Posted by: Maringer, February 7, 2023, 8:11am; Reply: 606
In other Brexit bullshit news, Boris Johnson, who campaigned for Brexit and took the UK of the EU, subsequently blaming the EU for the Russian invasion of Ukraine, has now pivoted to promote the idea that it is vital for Ukraine to be fast-tracked for EU membership. (blink(1))
What an absolute clownshoe. Same goes for anyone who voted for this charlatan.
(Ooops, wrong thread. Still comes under the Tory Vermin classification, however)
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, March 15, 2023, 1:06pm; Reply: 607
Spring Budget:
£200m for regen projects £400m for levelling up…
Ok. It’s quite difficult to picture that amount but it sounds like a big number…Lee Ashcroft was £500k but that was the 90s…
…£200m for repairing potholes.
Ah…the fund set aside for levelling up the country is only twice as much as that set aside to re-level our roads!
Posted by: ginnywings, March 15, 2023, 6:22pm; Reply: 608
Ok. It’s quite difficult to picture that amount but it sounds like a big number…Lee Ashcroft was £500k but that was the 90s…
…£200m for repairing potholes.
Ah…the fund set aside for levelling up the country is only twice as much as that set aside to re-level our roads!
Dishing money out? Must be an election due.
Compared to the money they invested/lost/gave to their mates (deplete as applicable) during covid, it's a pathetic amount.
400 million to level up all the sh1thole northern towns whose votes they are trying to buy. It's peanuts to what is spent on London and the south.
Posted by: Maringer, March 15, 2023, 6:53pm; Reply: 609
They are freezing tax allowances again which means that everyone will effectively be paying more tax when they receive a pay rise. Not increasing them in line with inflation makes everyone poorer, substantially so for lower-paid workers.
The major changes to pension allowances will bung another £4 billion to some of the wealthiest folk in the country as well:
How many people do you know who can afford to stick 40 grand a year into a pension, let alone the new annual amount of 60 grand? I realise that some hospital consultants aren't working as many hours as they want (and we need) due to the previous pension pot limit, but increasing the lifetime limit by 70% seems somewhat excessive. How many years do they expect them to work? Money to money as always with the Tories. The merchant bankers in the city (pun intended) will be loving this move. More donations to the Tory coffers certain.
The childcare changes will be helpful for many but I note there's the usual further crackdowns on people on universal credit to balance this out. You can guarantee these will be overly punitive and without allowing for any leeway, regardless of personal situations. Probably the same with changes for the disabled - no doubt we will read more about this in coming days.
Posted by: Mappers, March 15, 2023, 6:57pm; Reply: 610
The childcare thing had me like a kid at xmas yesterday ,I have a 2 year old and the 30 free hrs would save me about 1500 a month roll on the budget i was thinking ......Only to find out its phased in over 2/3 years so wont even be any use to me and many others -The threads correct -Tory Vermin lol
Posted by: golfer, March 15, 2023, 8:25pm; Reply: 611
What a budget. Hunts always been xunt. The twatt wouldn't give the Junior Doctors a rise when he was Health Secretary
Posted by: Mappers, March 15, 2023, 8:49pm; Reply: 612
What a budget. Hunts always been xunt. The twatt wouldn't give the Junior Doctors a rise when he was Health Secretary
They all are its bonkers
Everybody needs a rise . My salary literally covers the childcare bill and energy bill
Luckily my wife has a big job, if not i dont know what we would do Feel sorry for anybody in a worse situation must be horrible
I remember my childhood the old man earnt £8 an hour and mum stayed at home ,we had everything we wanted .
Fear for my kids the way things are going will it get even worse ? We wont even be capable to give them what our folks have given us just to get by ,get a house etc .
Very worrying
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, March 16, 2023, 5:51pm; Reply: 613
They are freezing tax allowances again which means that everyone will effectively be paying more tax when they receive a pay rise. Not increasing them in line with inflation makes everyone poorer, substantially so for lower-paid workers.
The major changes to pension allowances will bung another £4 billion to some of the wealthiest folk in the country as well:
How many people do you know who can afford to stick 40 grand a year into a pension, let alone the new annual amount of 60 grand? I realise that some hospital consultants aren't working as many hours as they want (and we need) due to the previous pension pot limit, but increasing the lifetime limit by 70% seems somewhat excessive. How many years do they expect them to work? Money to money as always with the Tories. The merchant bankers in the city (pun intended) will be loving this move. More donations to the Tory coffers certain.
The childcare changes will be helpful for many but I note there's the usual further crackdowns on people on universal credit to balance this out. You can guarantee these will be overly punitive and without allowing for any leeway, regardless of personal situations. Probably the same with changes for the disabled - no doubt we will read more about this in coming days.
I just spotted the most outrageous bung of the lot - the pension pot can be passed on free of Inheritance Tax. This means those wealthy enough can create a massive pension pot, live off other investments and pass the lot on tax-free to their kids, all whilst absolutely nothing was done to change the total shambles and injustice of social care. A pensioner having lived in NE Lincs for their whole life in a modest terraced house needs end-of-life dementia care and is stripped of everything save the last £25k to pass on to their kids.
The Tories don't even care about the next election now, they are just funnelling as much cash as they can to their own.
Posted by: cmackenzie4, March 16, 2023, 6:43pm; Reply: 614
I wonder how much anxiety and resentment this Tory government have caused the working people of this country, I detest everything about them and hope they never get in power again, they would never ever get my vote, I’m very angry at the moment.
Posted by: chaos33, March 16, 2023, 8:55pm; Reply: 615
I just spotted the most outrageous bung of the lot - the pension pot can be passed on free of Inheritance Tax. This means those wealthy enough can create a massive pension pot, live off other investments and pass the lot on tax-free to their kids, all whilst absolutely nothing was done to change the total shambles and injustice of social care. A pensioner having lived in NE Lincs for their whole life in a modest terraced house needs end-of-life dementia care and is stripped of everything save the last £25k to pass on to their kids.
The Tories don't even care about the next election now, they are just funnelling as much cash as they can to their own.
Absolutely this, and their client media friends will spin it to gaslight the great British public of hardworking ordinary, kind folk, as usual.
Posted by: ginnywings, March 16, 2023, 9:55pm; Reply: 616
Another massive boot in the bollox to the ordinary, everyday, hard working folk of this country.
Not all bad news though. BP have reported profits of 23 billion and their boss is in line for a doubling of his wages and bonuses to over 10 million. Don't know how he copes.
Posted by: jamesgtfc, March 16, 2023, 10:44pm; Reply: 617
Another massive boot in the bollox to the ordinary, everyday, hard working folk of this country.
Not all bad news though. BP have reported profits of 23 billion and their boss is in line for a doubling of his wages and bonuses to over 10 million. Don't know how he copes.
Rumours BP or Shell are acquisition targets for Chevron and Exxon.
A friend was telling me his friend works for Eon and all staff got a decent bonus to reduce their profit!
There is a video online from Shell in 2017, talking about scenario planning, where they say "Humans are wasteful when things are cheap."
Rumours BP or Shell are acquisition targets for Chevron and Exxon.
A friend was telling me his friend works for Eon and all staff got a decent bonus to reduce their profit!
There is a video online from Shell in 2009, talking about scenario planning, where they say "Humans are wasteful when things are cheap."
It's about 2:10-2:25:
Makes you think...
At the moment I have EON for Gas and Lecy. As far as I'm concerned their staff are incompetent, don't know what they are doing and are grossly incompetent. I read a report which says OFGEM regard them as the company they get the most complaints about. A bonus for being incompetent !!!!!
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, March 17, 2023, 3:53pm; Reply: 619
At the moment I have EON for Gas and Lecy. As far as I'm concerned their staff are incompetent, don't know what they are doing and are grossly incompetent. I read a report which says OFGEM regard them as the company they get the most complaints about. A bonus for being incompetent !!!!!
I thought EON were shockingly bad, then I moved house and ended up with British Gas. I'd rather go back to bleeding EON than have one more argument with the incompetent morons at BG
I thought EON were shockingly bad, then I moved house and ended up with British Gas. I'd rather go back to bleeding EON than have one more argument with the incompetent morons at BG
I needed new electric and gas meters so EON sent an engineer (Town ST holder) to change them, but didn't give him a job number for the gas so he couldn't. A new date was arranged so they sent a meter reader round who knew nothing about changing the meter.
You couldn't make it up.
Posted by: Maringer, March 18, 2023, 7:46am; Reply: 621
A shout out for Scottish Power being rubbish here as well. We were under contract to them at work and they didn't even bother to take readings for a long time and there was no way to inform them of the final readings ourself. They fitted a smart meter and the engineer cheerfully admitted it was too far from the boiler so wouldn't be much use as they didn't supply the range extenders required to make it work.
When we were looking for new prices, we were going with a broker who got a much better price than British Gas offered. We spoke to British Gas who then beat this price, greatly undercutting their earlier quote!
When you create a pretend market for energy, you get pretend competition. It's a shambles with lots of shite jobs created for people in the Indian subcontinent in call centres phoning to try and get you to change 'provider'.
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Posted by: Manchester Mariner, April 28, 2023, 4:36pm; Reply: 623
I saw that Lia Nici was blaming opposition parties for the record amounts of sewage in our rivers and sea on social media the other day. Real alternative reality stuff.
Posted by: moosey_club, April 28, 2023, 6:54pm; Reply: 624
Locally.....I have not forgotten that the Tories failed......no...refused to investigate or reveal details of Alex May's involvement and introduction by John Fenty.
There isn't a cat in hells chance that the local blue rosette will be getting a vote from me.
Posted by: ginnywings, April 28, 2023, 7:28pm; Reply: 625
I clicked on the link, then thought why even bother reading it?
It'll just be more lies.
Posted by: mariner91, May 5, 2023, 4:10pm; Reply: 626
Going well for the Tories so far today.
Posted by: LH, May 5, 2023, 8:20pm; Reply: 627
NEL out of step with the rest of the country bucking the trend though.
Posted by: Maringer, May 5, 2023, 10:25pm; Reply: 628
Imagine watching the ongoing shitshow over the past few years, yet still voting for the Tories. Blows my mind. I realise that local politics isn't exactly the same as the national stage where elections are concerned, but the national mood usually has a big impact on the results but it's still pretty remarkable to see the Tories hold up pretty strongly here when they've been dropping like flies in most parts of the country.
Posted by: immariner, May 6, 2023, 1:01am; Reply: 629
I don't know why but only 15 of the 42 wards were up for election so with the Tory landslide last time it was virtually impossible for Tories to lose overall control. But still, despite losing 3 seats overall, they were still the biggest winners on the night, taking 7 to Labour's 5, Lib Dems' 1 and independents' 2. I really wish I could tell yiu what would make the average Grimbarian put an X in the Tory box. I honestly cannot fathom the headspace
Posted by: ginnywings, May 10, 2023, 10:22am; Reply: 630
I'm constantly baffled as to why ordinary folk vote Tory, and even more baffled that they still do after the weight of evidence, but then I suppose if you get all your views from the Daily Mail, it's not too unexpected.
I'm constantly baffled as to why ordinary folk vote Tory, and even more baffled that they still do after the weight of evidence, but then I suppose if you get all your views from the Daily Mail, it's not too unexpected.
I read yesterday in the Mirror that one of the worst airports for delays is Doncaster/Sheffield. I believe it shut last September so it made the whole story worthless.
I find it hard to think of a Daily paper that gives a balanced article, from the FT to the Star they all seem to give a biased view; with the truth buried in there somewhere ( if at all ). Many articles are now opinions and include would, should and could!
Posted by: cmackenzie4, May 10, 2023, 11:13am; Reply: 632
And that is why I’ve never read a paper (or picked one up) in 15 years
Posted by: Maringer, May 10, 2023, 12:28pm; Reply: 633
The bigger problem these days isn't the rubbish that folk read in the newspapers (which is often little move than thinly-veiled propaganda), but the rubbish that they read on social media (which is rarely more than unmitigated bullshit).
If somebody reads some dodgy stuff on social media, the algorithms are likely to push them towards even more of it which doesn't exactly help with the honesty of discourse.
Added to this, the disinformation peddlers (most of whom are being paid for it, let's not forget) are going to get even better at their dirty work with the aid of the new AI-based systems such as ChatGPT. They can be used to produce very authentic-sounding nonsense which can be specifically targetted to influence people.
Heck, it might end up the case that the likes of the Mail and Telegraph end up being more 'reliable' sources of news in relation to the rest of the stuff out there!
It's going to be difficult to fact-check stuff a report or article when these AI systems can be used to produce plausible misinformation on a large scale. Get ready for lots and lots (and lots) of fake imagery as well as AI is becoming increasingly good at producing this stuff.
Posted by: aldi_01, May 11, 2023, 7:05am; Reply: 634
We did a small case study at a school I worked at and for all the literature and marketing around keeping children safe online, understanding content etc we found that the kids were actually much better at it than their parents and some of the staff.
Staff and parents didn’t seem to understand the algorithm stuff and how, I’d you’re not careful you simply end up in an echo chamber of guff. Remembrance Day was a particularly good trap most seemed to fall into; plenty of innocent, well rounded folk sharing a simple picture of a poppy or whatever and that’s fine but then a slow and gradual bombardment of ring wing bigotry masquerading as patriotism would arrive on their timelines…all stemming from what they thought was an innocent share of a picture of something extremely important to this country…
That’s where many issues lie, as you say. I’ve had countless conversations with people who don’t understand how it works but simply believe it, or they don’t understand that really, in order to make informed decisions and have balanced opinions you need to have both sides of the argument/evidence.
We’ve done a lot of work recently regarding that twit Tate and the influence it has on kids, yet surprisingly, only a handful of ours, who are vulnerable by definition because of their SEND and diagnosis’s, were taken in. Words like ‘sharp object’, ‘buffoon’ etc were used to describe him, likely influenced by those calling him out and using social media to push that.
A great example of media and social media propagating absolute tosh to stop someone was the guff that was circulated regarding Corbyn. It was laughable at times and the naivety of folk not realising that Sharon from the corner shop isn’t a political expert or know the complexities for the Northern Island peace process so can’t possibly explain why a politician is stood with another politician but actually, Sharon got her information from a bot created by right wing propagandists or the Tory party themselves.
It’s terrifying really; the ease of which that falsified nonsense can be accessed. The fact it’s essentially ignored as something that children and families need educating against to prevent future issues.
History has shown us that humans crave something to follow, well many do. Religion was borne out of this idea, since then we’ve seen political leaders and ‘activists’ take on this role…all, in truth, for infamy and money, with an added element of power.
Take the bigots and knuckle draggers who followed Yaxley-Lennon; he didn’t care about his followers anymore than he cared about Muslim people. He’s a cash obsessed egocentric, a narcissist that wanted to be a someone, he was excrement at everything so slung on a stone island coat (always seemed to be the same one) and spouted absolute nonsense about Muslim folk. Was easy really, the media have handed the Muslim faith on a plate since the Americans decided they didn’t like them. If it had been Jews he’d have gone after them, Hindus, whatever…anything that’s different, it scares folk and you attract followers, ironic really, he’s no better than the people he accuses of exploiting children and families…
Basically, we’re copulated and tories are girl privates. Never forget, tories are girl privates.
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, May 11, 2023, 2:47pm; Reply: 635
The bigger problem these days isn't the rubbish that folk read in the newspapers (which is often little move than thinly-veiled propaganda), but the rubbish that they read on social media (which is rarely more than unmitigated bullshit).
If somebody reads some dodgy stuff on social media, the algorithms are likely to push them towards even more of it which doesn't exactly help with the honesty of discourse.
Added to this, the disinformation peddlers (most of whom are being paid for it, let's not forget) are going to get even better at their dirty work with the aid of the new AI-based systems such as ChatGPT. They can be used to produce very authentic-sounding nonsense which can be specifically targetted to influence people.
Heck, it might end up the case that the likes of the Mail and Telegraph end up being more 'reliable' sources of news in relation to the rest of the stuff out there!
It's going to be difficult to fact-check stuff a report or article when these AI systems can be used to produce plausible misinformation on a large scale. Get ready for lots and lots (and lots) of fake imagery as well as AI is becoming increasingly good at producing this stuff.
It's then compounded by the 'fact checkers' mostly not actually assessing facts but rather just helping to promote the views of whoever pays them.
Virtually all media, whether online or in print, is owned by someone and like you say real journalism seesm to be dead, now everything is an opinion piece regardless of whether the outlet is left, right or centre leaning. There's a whole sub-plot in the original house of cards (fantastic series) where the unfancied outsider does a deal with the owner of several papers and overnight those papers are slating his rivals and backing him. That was known to be the case 30 odd yeards ago it has to be worse now
Posted by: Maringer, May 12, 2023, 8:04am; Reply: 636
I don't agree about the main fact checking sites which seem to be pretty accurate in general. Full Fact, fox example, is a charity which is very open about their funding and I don't recall them being inaccurate when I've read any of their fact checks.
With the media, you know they are going to be biased in one direction or another, but some of the right-wing media are much worse than they used to be, printing outright and easily disprovable misinformation. That's where the fact checkers are useful. There is clearly collusion between the likes of the Telegraph, Mail and Express whose daily headlines and editorials follow the government's agenda (and then dominate the TV news agenda that day) and there's a rotating door between these newspapers and government (and the BBC, for that matter).
For the left-wing media, which is really limited to the Guardian and Mirror since the Independent stopped selling papers, I've not seen outright disinformation, but the bias is certainly there to some degree and some of the editorial is definitely disingenuous. The odd thing is that the Guardian is seen as a super left-wing paper when they tend to back the LibDems as often as not and they really pushed against Corbyn in the 'chicken coup' days. They are socially very left-wing, but less so economically, which is a problem.
Posted by: ginnywings, May 12, 2023, 8:34am; Reply: 637
I think I read somewhere that the I newspaper, which is supposed to be trusted as a neutral paper, is owned by Rothermere and the Daily Mail group.
We did a small case study at a school I worked at and for all the literature and marketing around keeping children safe online, understanding content etc we found that the kids were actually much better at it than their parents and some of the staff.
Staff and parents didn’t seem to understand the algorithm stuff and how, I’d you’re not careful you simply end up in an echo chamber of guff. Remembrance Day was a particularly good trap most seemed to fall into; plenty of innocent, well rounded folk sharing a simple picture of a poppy or whatever and that’s fine but then a slow and gradual bombardment of ring wing bigotry masquerading as patriotism would arrive on their timelines…all stemming from what they thought was an innocent share of a picture of something extremely important to this country…
That’s where many issues lie, as you say. I’ve had countless conversations with people who don’t understand how it works but simply believe it, or they don’t understand that really, in order to make informed decisions and have balanced opinions you need to have both sides of the argument/evidence.
We’ve done a lot of work recently regarding that twit Tate and the influence it has on kids, yet surprisingly, only a handful of ours, who are vulnerable by definition because of their SEND and diagnosis’s, were taken in. Words like ‘sharp object’, ‘buffoon’ etc were used to describe him, likely influenced by those calling him out and using social media to push that.
A great example of media and social media propagating absolute tosh to stop someone was the guff that was circulated regarding Corbyn. It was laughable at times and the naivety of folk not realising that Sharon from the corner shop isn’t a political expert or know the complexities for the Northern Island peace process so can’t possibly explain why a politician is stood with another politician but actually, Sharon got her information from a bot created by right wing propagandists or the Tory party themselves.
It’s terrifying really; the ease of which that falsified nonsense can be accessed. The fact it’s essentially ignored as something that children and families need educating against to prevent future issues.
History has shown us that humans crave something to follow, well many do. Religion was borne out of this idea, since then we’ve seen political leaders and ‘activists’ take on this role…all, in truth, for infamy and money, with an added element of power.
Take the bigots and knuckle draggers who followed Yaxley-Lennon; he didn’t care about his followers anymore than he cared about Muslim people. He’s a cash obsessed egocentric, a narcissist that wanted to be a someone, he was excrement at everything so slung on a stone island coat (always seemed to be the same one) and spouted absolute nonsense about Muslim folk. Was easy really, the media have handed the Muslim faith on a plate since the Americans decided they didn’t like them. If it had been Jews he’d have gone after them, Hindus, whatever…anything that’s different, it scares folk and you attract followers, ironic really, he’s no better than the people he accuses of exploiting children and families…
Basically, we’re copulated and tories are girl privates. Never forget, tories are girl privates.
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, May 17, 2023, 10:41am; Reply: 640
Who sanctioned Liz Truss visiting Taiwan? I can only assume it was a prank gone wrong, she's now on about needing an economic NATO and offering to arm-wrestle Xi Jinping for control of Taipei......
Posted by: chaos33, May 17, 2023, 11:14am; Reply: 641
I’ve absolutely no idea who sanctioned that. Lunacy.
Posted by: Maringer, May 17, 2023, 12:40pm; Reply: 642
I don't think anybody could really stop her going. She's so far away from power now that she can ignore what she's told by her party or civil servants because it's not going to make one jot of difference to her prospects. Or perhaps she's really deluded enough to think she's relevant? That said, this National Conservatism conference they've been having has shown a remarkable amount of swivel-eyed lunacy, even for the Tory right.
Taiwan are happy to have anybody with a relatively high-profile name supporting them to keep the China situation in the news. Perhaps she's getting a bung for turning up?
I'd like to think that the debacle that Putin's invasion of Ukraine has become will swiftly disabuse China of any ideas about trying to take Taiwan by force. Not to mention the fact that any such conflict would quickly collapse the world economy, given the proportion of the world's computer chips produced in Taiwan.
Chairman Xi might be an autocratic goon who has made himself ruler for life, but I don't think he's likely to do a Putin and turn China into a gangster state. Hopefully.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, May 17, 2023, 4:46pm; Reply: 643
Who sanctioned Liz Truss visiting Taiwan? I can only assume it was a prank gone wrong, she's now on about needing an economic NATO and offering to arm-wrestle Xi Jinping for control of Taipei......
Maybe picking a fight with China was on her manifesto when she was elected a constituency MP, because that's all she is now. I'm sure that China is very much a pressing issue for the constituents of North Norfolk.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, June 9, 2023, 4:27pm; Reply: 644
I see Queen of the Vermin Nadine Dorries has thrown a strop because she isn't getting elevated into the Lords. And she has taken revenge on Rishi Sunak by triggering a by-election he needs like a hole in the head.
Mid Bedfordshire has been blue since 1931 (92 years). Even in 1997 the Tories had a majority of 7,000.
Losing it would be an utter disaster for Rishi Sunak.
Posted by: LH, June 9, 2023, 5:35pm; Reply: 645
The resignation honours list is like a register for twits.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, June 9, 2023, 8:21pm; Reply: 646
How bad must the Partygate report be that Boris hasn’t even attempted, however futile, to cling on in the hope the ball will come loose from the scrum again in the future.
I would have a huge smile tonight had he not done so much damage to this country.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, June 9, 2023, 9:01pm; Reply: 647
How bad must the Partygate report be that Boris hasn’t even attempted, however futile, to cling on in the hope the ball will come loose from the scrum again in the future.
I would have a huge smile tonight had he not done so much damage to this country.
It's tactical. The polls indicate would probably have lost at the next election in any case (there has been talk about him standing in another constituency) so he's following the Trump playbook here. Blaming others for being dishonest/corrupt to get rid of him so he can set himself up for a political return elsewhere in the future.
The very worst sort of Tory vermin, because there are enough corrupt businessmen and media bods willing to fund/support him as long as he'll scratch their backs when he gets back into a position of power. The incontinent party membership think he's ace so will overlook anything, especially his incompetence.
Posted by: LH, June 9, 2023, 9:58pm; Reply: 650
The dipshits amongst us will fall for it as well.
When he was elected with his majority there were some on here saying Labour were copulated for the next 20 years. It wasn’t just Labour - it was everyone. This country is in a excrement state and will be for a generation. Thanks a bunch, Boris. Ya girl private.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, June 9, 2023, 9:58pm; Reply: 651
He’s only looking after himself, the narcissistic tw@t. Don’t be fooled by the act.
Posted by: LH, June 9, 2023, 10:25pm; Reply: 652
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Done more than her I suppose even if it was negative.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 9, 2023, 10:29pm; Reply: 653
Boris is still trying his Trump-lite tribute act.
I've got no words to describe my utter contempt for the cvnts.
It was absolutely clear and inevitable that if you give men like that power, it will only end in tears. The damage done is incalculable, but people will still defend them.
Posted by: aldi_01, June 10, 2023, 3:52am; Reply: 654
Done more than her I suppose even if it was negative.
This woman’s infatuation with Johnson is flipping gross, and it still didn’t land her a role of value, or another illegitimate Johnson child…imagine laying your head down every night knowing how irrelevant you truly are…
Posted by: codcheeky, June 10, 2023, 5:48am; Reply: 655
It's tactical. The polls indicate would probably have lost at the next election in any case (there has been talk about him standing in another constituency) so he's following the Trump playbook here. Blaming others for being dishonest/corrupt to get rid of him so he can set himself up for a political return elsewhere in the future.
The very worst sort of Tory vermin, because there are enough corrupt businessmen and media bods willing to fund/support him as long as he'll scratch their backs when he gets back into a position of power. The incontinent party membership think he's ace so will overlook anything, especially his incompetence.
It’s not tactical at all. Boris has spent a life time evading responsibility for his actions and crying unfair when the consequences catch up with him. Like getting sacked for making up a quote from his godfather when a reporter for the times. Like when his extramarital affairs were exposed. Like throughout his entire time as PM. All somebody else’s fault and not his/
He resigned yesterday because the report is so damning and the punishment suggested within it so severe that it would make a recall election in his constituency a certainty. An election he would have lost spectacularly and humiliatingly. His resignation was just his cowardly way to avoid that.
His statement yesterday points to two things. His complete lack of contrition and remorse for his actions. And secondly his desperation for power and to be centre stage.
Boris has never had a tactical plan or strategy at any point in his life. He’s spent his entire life guessing which way the wind will be blowing and going all in. And he got incredibly lucky doing it.
He became Mayor of London because Ken Livingstone was unwilling to give up and accept his time was up and make way for a fresh candidate.
And he ultimately became PM because he gambled on going all in for Vote Leave despite it being common knowledge that Boris was in reality fiercely pro-EU.
Actually Boris does have 1 tactic. The only tactic he’s ever used…
To cry unfair, blame everybody but himself and then protest that there’s a conspiracy against him.
Yesterday was classic Boris.
And like Alistair Campbell said, he need to make sure we flush this turd away once and for all.
Posted by: Maringer, June 10, 2023, 3:26pm; Reply: 657
I'm not saying it was anything like a long term plan. He's seen the report, knows it's going to slate him and he'd lose his seat, so he's resigned and blamed the committee for bias so it looks as though he was forced out. It's obviously self-interest, because that's all the narcissistic turd knows, but this is much more tactical than his resignation as PM when he held on with his fingertips for as long as he possibly could.
The real shame is that this won't mark the end of a political career which should have been stillborn.
Posted by: chaos33, June 10, 2023, 3:42pm; Reply: 658
The turd that just won’t flush has burned so much of our country to the ground.
Posted by: moosey_club, June 11, 2023, 2:23pm; Reply: 659
Just heard Nici on the news standing up for Boris, " it's a conspiracy as he remains so popular the rest of the tories are scared of him and want rid of him" FFS.
Posted by: aldi_01, June 12, 2023, 6:32am; Reply: 660
Just heard Nici on the news standing up for Boris, " it's a conspiracy as he remains so popular the rest of the tories are scared of him and want rid of him" FFS.
She said that whilst swallowing more Johnson children…perhaps she is talented after all…
Posted by: chaos33, June 12, 2023, 6:56am; Reply: 661
The good folk of Grimsby must see through this mewling sycophant now and they must surely boot her out emphatically at the next election.
The good folk of Grimsby must see through this mewling sycophant now and they must surely boot her out emphatically at the next election.
The good folk probably do by now but the bad folk don't.
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, June 12, 2023, 11:13am; Reply: 663
What you can't deny Bozza had, and will always make him a fringe threat, is that incredibly rare quality of genuine charisma. He will always be able to convince plenty of people to go along with what he wants, and allied to his moral vacuum that's why the partygate thing needs to result in a ban on him being in politics full stop. But it won't, It'll go softly and the public will lose even more faith in politcs.
And as always politics harms itself over and over then wonders why there's such apathy and low voter turnout - see Sturgeon's arrest and it just reinforces the view that all of politics is corrupt as f---.
Posted by: codcheeky, June 12, 2023, 11:58am; Reply: 664
What you can't deny Bozza had, and will always make him a fringe threat, is that incredibly rare quality of genuine charisma. He will always be able to convince plenty of people to go along with what he wants, and allied to his moral vacuum that's why the partygate thing needs to result in a ban on him being in politics full stop. But it won't, It'll go softly and the public will lose even more faith in politcs.
And as always politics harms itself over and over then wonders why there's such apathy and low voter turnout - see Sturgeon's arrest and it just reinforces the view that all of politics is corrupt as f---.
Being arrested and not being charged has never made anyone guilty, the establishment is against devolution and the look of it is bad but I doubt she will ever be charged The Tories have been quite happy to take money of Putin’s cronies, dodgy Arabs and just about anyone else willing to give them a few quid for years. No one has been arrested for the billions of our money given to their mates and donors during Covid why is that? Johnson was never fit to be an MP never mind foreign Secretary or Prime Minister but he has a bit of charisma and the backing of the Tory press, billionaire enabler’s and an electorate who will buy anything they are told. These backers will not go away and we certainly haven’t seen the last of him. He has been an embarrassment to the country, when you live abroad and you have Johnson followed by Truss representing the country and the worse Brexit deal possible, it really is difficult to make a case that the U.K. has not shot itself in the foot
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, June 12, 2023, 12:06pm; Reply: 665
Being arrested and not being charged has never made anyone guilty, the establishment is against devolution and the look of it is bad but I doubt she will ever be charged The Tories have been quite happy to take money of Putin’s cronies, dodgy Arabs and just about anyone else willing to give them a few quid for years. No one has been arrested for the billions of our money given to their mates and donors during Covid why is that? Johnson was never fit to be an MP never mind foreign Secretary or Prime Minister but he has a bit of charisma and the backing of the Tory press, billionaire enabler’s and an electorate who will buy anything they are told. These backers will not go away and we certainly haven’t seen the last of him. He has been an embarrassment to the country, when you live abroad and you have Johnson followed by Truss representing the country and the worse Brexit deal possible, it really is difficult to make a case that the U.K. has not shot itself in the foot
Tell that to facebook lol.
Posted by: codcheeky, June 12, 2023, 1:33pm; Reply: 666
To the surprise of absolutely nobody - Boris Johnson is found to have lied to Parliament and would have faced a 90 day suspension had he not rage quit as an MP last week. Now he simply has to find a party and constituency stupid enough to vote him in to return as an MP. I do know one constituency that might be daft enough to…
To the surprise of absolutely nobody - Boris Johnson is found to have lied to Parliament and would have faced a 90 day suspension had he not rage quit as an MP last week. Now he simply has to find a party and constituency stupid enough to vote him in to return as an MP. I do know one constituency that might be daft enough to…
Nici would give her seat up for him and some on last night's Look North think he's great ?????????????????????????????
Posted by: ginnywings, June 15, 2023, 3:09pm; Reply: 669
To the surprise of absolutely nobody - Boris Johnson is found to have lied to Parliament and would have faced a 90 day suspension had he not rage quit as an MP last week. Now he simply has to find a party and constituency stupid enough to vote him in to return as an MP. I do know one constituency that might be daft enough to…
Not his fault mind.
Everyone is lying except him.
Posted by: codcheeky, June 15, 2023, 6:33pm; Reply: 670
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, June 15, 2023, 11:19pm; Reply: 671
I don't know if anyone else is watching Question Time but what an absolute flipping whopper Guto Harri is. I would have thought PPE from Oxford overqualified him from rimming that albino gorilla for a living but apparently not.
Posted by: Maringer, June 16, 2023, 7:57am; Reply: 672
Harri is, indeed a whopper, but he's made a lot of money due to the patronage of Johnson and will continue to do so by being an apologist for him.
Can't abide Question Time myself and rarely watch any of it. A lot of the guests are just appalling and they don't tend to answer questions in a worthwhile manner, just toeing the party line. I'd argue that the balance of the audience doesn't really reflect the populace so you end up with more extreme/tabloidesque 'gotcha' questions which don't provide for worthwhile debate. On the odd occasion I've seen some of it, I've regularly seen the panellists talking absolute balderdash but not being properly challenged on their bullshit. Some of the non-politician panellists probably have more interesting stuff to say, but it is always dominated by politicians and journalists, so it's thin gruel.
A worthless British political institution, just like PMQs.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, June 16, 2023, 10:14am; Reply: 673
Nads preparing for a career in comedy once she finally gets around to resigning as an MP after quitting with immediate effect 7 days ago.
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Incredible!
Posted by: GollyGTFC, June 16, 2023, 10:21am; Reply: 674
Great to see Victoria Derbyshire humiliating Brendan Clarke-Smith on Newsnight last night.
I don’t understand why the BBC and every other media outlet apart from LBC all feel the need for balance when reporting on the findings on Johnson and having a Johnson ally in to defend the indefensible. But at least it offers possibly a last opportunity to laugh at the likes of Nads, Mogg, Fabricant and the other of Johnson’s sycophants embarrassing themselves on his behalf.
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, June 16, 2023, 11:17am; Reply: 675
Great to see Victoria Derbyshire humiliating Brendan Clarke-Smith on Newsnight last night.
I don’t understand why the BBC and every other media outlet apart from LBC all feel the need for balance when reporting on the findings on Johnson and having a Johnson ally in to defend the indefensible. But at least it offers possibly a last opportunity to laugh at the likes of Nads, Mogg, Fabricant and the other of Johnson’s sycophants embarrassing themselves on his behalf.
Did my PGCE with that twit. Many a time I’d bury him over flawed tory policy, his outdated views on immigration and his blind loyalty to a party that decimated the community he grew up in.
fornicators a walking contradiction, hated mass migration, copulated off to Romania to teach, was obsessed with Sweden and the married a local Romanian woman and came back her, funnily enough, just before his beloved Boris and chums hoodwinked every girl private going…blokes a flippinggirl private. A scab and a Notts County fan…
And when he wittered on about the free school dinners stuff he was lying anyway, I literally sat in a lecture with him when he talked at length about the benefits and necessity to ensure they remain…
Posted by: GollyGTFC, June 18, 2023, 7:07pm; Reply: 681
Did my PGCE with that twit. Many a time I’d bury him over flawed tory policy, his outdated views on immigration and his blind loyalty to a party that decimated the community he grew up in.
fornicators a walking contradiction, hated mass migration, copulated off to Romania to teach, was obsessed with Sweden and the married a local Romanian woman and came back her, funnily enough, just before his beloved Boris and chums hoodwinked every girl private going…blokes a flippinggirl private. A scab and a Notts County fan…
And when he wittered on about the free school dinners stuff he was lying anyway, I literally sat in a lecture with him when he talked at length about the benefits and necessity to ensure they remain…
For BBC-style impartiality can any Fishy user give a positive opinion of him?
Posted by: ginnywings, June 18, 2023, 7:50pm; Reply: 682
What more can you say?.....
Two of the people in this video have been given honours by Boris.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 18, 2023, 9:12pm; Reply: 683
Go on, show yourself.
Tell why you disagree.
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Posted by: ginnywings, June 19, 2023, 1:11pm; Reply: 685
;)
Posted by: chaos33, June 19, 2023, 7:07pm; Reply: 686
Nici absolutely disgracing the town in her ridiculous sycophancy and stupidity, attempting to defend the indefensible in parliament tonight. Makes you sick.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 19, 2023, 10:02pm; Reply: 687
MP's back the report into the Boris Johnson Partygate scandal by 354 to 7 against, which shows just how out of touch Nici is.
Posted by: Maringer, June 19, 2023, 10:09pm; Reply: 688
The only thing you can say in favour of her is that she at least had the balls to stand up and vote. I realise it's her job to actually turn up and vote, but the number of cowardly Tory MPs who either abstained or pretended to find something else important to do, is shameful.
Posted by: LH, June 19, 2023, 10:46pm; Reply: 689
She didn’t vote going off what I’ve seen on Twitter tonight. Embarrassing for the Town anyone want to own up to making a mistake voting for her?
Posted by: Maringer, June 19, 2023, 10:55pm; Reply: 690
Surely it would be madness to defend him but then no to vote? Wouldn't surprise me, however, as she's a flipping clown, just like her old boss.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 19, 2023, 10:59pm; Reply: 691
What do people expect when even robot Rishi did a runner up north, rather than grow a spine and vote on the issue.
Posted by: Sandford1981, June 20, 2023, 8:36am; Reply: 692
Can you imagine any other workplace in which this behaviour is acceptable?
“Morning Johnny!” “Morning Boss!” “How are you?” “I’m ok ta-you?” “Yeah I’m fine cheers, so first up this morning I need you sort out the stock room, clean up the staff canteen and then replenish the stock on the shop floor ok?” “I’m really sorry Boss but no can do!” “And why’s that?” “I’m abstaining….” “Abstaining?” “Yep” “Abstain at home for as long as you like Johnny- your P45 will be posted out to you’”
Bizarre old world!
Posted by: Maringer, June 20, 2023, 8:37am; Reply: 693
But yes, Nici abstained. Which is about as stupid a decision as I can imagine given she had embarrassed herself by speaking out in support of Johnson in the debate.
Posted by: codcheeky, June 20, 2023, 8:47am; Reply: 694
But yes, Nici abstained. Which is about as stupid a decision as I can imagine given she had embarrassed herself by speaking out in support of Johnson in the debate.
Apologies to him
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, June 20, 2023, 8:56am; Reply: 695
I notice that the BBC described Nici as one of Johnson's hardcore loyalists alongside the talking pencil and Mad Nads.
That is a smell she won't be able to get out of her clothes come the next election.
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, June 20, 2023, 9:53am; Reply: 696
It's an interesting way to say 'I don't want another term as Grimsby MP', most people just wouldn't run again at the next general election
Posted by: moosey_club, June 20, 2023, 10:30pm; Reply: 697
I really hope the town does wake up at the next election to her. Absolute joke. If you support him then do it properly and vote for your convictions, abstaining is pathetic.
Posted by: aldi_01, June 21, 2023, 6:52am; Reply: 698
But yes, Nici abstained. Which is about as stupid a decision as I can imagine given she had embarrassed herself by speaking out in support of Johnson in the debate.
Speaking? Have you heard the speech? It was flipping embarrassing, for someone who has English as their first language, it was a truly hideous use of the English language.
Now I know she normally has a mouth full of shaft syrup from Johnson but intercourse me, I think the woman is actually thick. Then to abstain…you couldn’t make this excrement up.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, June 21, 2023, 9:30am; Reply: 699
Speaking? Have you heard the speech? It was flipping embarrassing, for someone who has English as their first language, it was a truly hideous use of the English language.
Now I know she normally has a mouth full of shaft syrup from Johnson but intercourse me, I think the woman is actually thick. Then to abstain…you couldn’t make this excrement up.
I noticed that as well, she really struggled for words and phrases. She does come over as lacking intellectual rigour.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 21, 2023, 12:14pm; Reply: 700
I really hope the town does wake up at the next election to her. Absolute joke.
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Posted by: ginnywings, June 22, 2023, 12:50pm; Reply: 702
So, interest rates up again and already struggling people will struggle even more. This on top of yesterdays news that inflation hasn't dropped as hoped and once again, we are failing where others are getting to grips with it.
The perceived wisdom is that you need to raise interest rates to combat inflation, usually to curb spending and usually when there is a bit of a boom and demand is outstripping the supply chain, and there is the rub.
People are pretty skint at the moment and struggling just to pay their bills and buy the basics, so the usual drivers of inflation don't come into play here. People aren't going out and spending money, so why are inflation rates stubbornly not shifting , and why is the government struggling to get a grip?
Maybe it's because the Tories are not the competent managers of the economy they always claim to be.
I'm no financial expert, so maybe some of you government defenders out there can explain to me what is going on.
Posted by: LH, June 22, 2023, 4:02pm; Reply: 703
What did you see of Boris Johnson before the election that looked competent and with a conscience that was enough for you to vote for his party?!
Posted by: ginnywings, June 22, 2023, 7:42pm; Reply: 704
The thing is, down here in the south, people are going out and continuing to spend lots of money. I keep saying to my wife I have lived through recessions before and to date this has never seemed like one. Everywhere we go, be it restaurants, high end shops, concerts and theatres, tourist attractions and hotels, they are just mobbed. So these MP's like Sunak and Hunt never see anything other than full attendances wherever they go, and if they never venture up north they will never see how hard things are for people who are struggling. Because they are not around here.
The north-south divide is getting larger all the time, and this is probably a huge part of the problem. The south is affluent and many people do not even have mortgages down here, the cost of living has risen but not hugely. I am not sure putting interest rates up is going to make too much difference i this area, but it is certainly going to hurt people up north who are struggling. So the rich will get richer and the divide will get worse.
What Covid did was change all the rules of economics, so whilst in theory what the Bank are doing to tackle inflation has worked before it is not guaranteed to work now when people do not want to be stopped from going out and spending all the money they saved in lockdown. And because the money is being spent Companies are still profiteering while, and because, they can.
I do not know the answer. Maybe leaving everything as was for a month might have been an option to see what happened. A windfall tax on Supermarkets, energy companies, Banks and Oil Companies would hopefully cut down on them making money at the wrong people's expense.
What I do know is that the Government, and the Bank of England, do not have a clue how to change the course we are on, which is a huge recession next year. Indeed there is talk that is what the Government is seeking. Which, given that they have no chance of winning the next election could actually be feasible. Just leave an almighty mess for Labour to sort.
Yes, I say all this as a Conservative voter, and I am absolutely ashamed of where they have taken this country. They are a bunch of incompetent, clueless idiots with no shame and no conscience. The fact we have such lame ducks for another year is a massive problem for this country.
So basically, there are enough people with enough money in their pockets to keep right on spending on things like clothes, holidays and restaurants etc, but that's at the expense of those who are struggling to keep their heads above water.
The rich are getting richer and the poor, poorer.
Nothing new in the world of the Tories then.
Posted by: Maringer, June 22, 2023, 9:14pm; Reply: 705
One other factor is that most people are on fixed rate mortgages these days which are only gradually expiring. Whacking interest rates up doesn't affect most people with mortages immediately so continuing to ramp them up will come as an even bigger shock when their term runs out.
When interest rates were whacked up in the past almost everyone was on variable mortgage rates so felt the changes immediately. There will be over a million people who find their mortgages almost completely unaffordable when their fixed rates expire over the next year or so. Properties cost many more multiples of salaries than back in the 80s or 90s when interest rates were this high. It's a catastrophe in the making and the BoE and the two major political parties apparently don't have a clue about the impacts of these ongoing rate increases.
If you're on a long term fixed deal, you're OK for now, and are actually benefitting as the real value of the mortgage you hold is depreciating. I've got a couple of years on my current deal and I'm hoping rates will fall substantially before it becomes time to remortgage!
Posted by: GollyGTFC, June 22, 2023, 10:03pm; Reply: 706
So, interest rates up again and already struggling people will struggle even more. This on top of yesterdays news that inflation hasn't dropped as hoped and once again, we are failing where others are getting to grips with it.
The perceived wisdom is that you need to raise interest rates to combat inflation, usually to curb spending and usually when there is a bit of a boom and demand is outstripping the supply chain, and there is the rub.
People are pretty skint at the moment and struggling just to pay their bills and buy the basics, so the usual drivers of inflation don't come into play here. People aren't going out and spending money, so why are inflation rates stubbornly not shifting , and why is the government struggling to get a grip?
Maybe it's because the Tories are not the competent managers of the economy they always claim to be.
I'm no financial expert, so maybe some of you government defenders out there can explain to me what is going on.
The Tories are completely incompetent. The current skip fire is unlike any previous issues with the economy.
Like you said, usually inflation is caused by people having lots of disposable income, demand out stripping supply & prices going up steeply as a consequence.
But that's not the scenario now. Disposable income has taken a hammering. Prices rises have nothing to do with supply vs demand.
The Bank of England are attempting to do the usual thing when inflation is running out of control and cause a recession to cool the economy. But the economy is on it's bottom caused by 13 years of Tory stagnation compounded by Brexit and the Pound being weak for years and years. The BoE's interest rate rises aren't working, although that's not helped by the government rowing in the opposite direction & banging on about "growth".
We have a 2nd rate government (and that's being generous). The Bank of England are 2nd rate too- the best in that field work for big global banks making millions. They don't work for the Bank of England and it's equivalent institutes around the world.
The current situation probably requires more radical thinking, but the people that matter don't think that way & those that do aren't listened to.
2024 is going to be a terrible year. The Tories were hoping a steady recover so they could throw some tax cuts around next autumn and call a general election in October/November. That's already in tatters. There's no chance of them being able to do that.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 22, 2023, 11:22pm; Reply: 707
The Tories are completely incompetent. The current skip fire is unlike any previous issues with the economy.
Like you said, usually inflation is caused by people having lots of disposable income, demand out stripping supply & prices going up steeply as a consequence.
But that's not the scenario now. Disposable income has taken a hammering. Prices rises have nothing to do with supply vs demand.
The Bank of England are attempting to do the usual thing when inflation is running out of control and cause a recession to cool the economy. But the economy is on it's bottom caused by 13 years of Tory stagnation compounded by Brexit and the Pound being weak for years and years. The BoE's interest rate rises aren't working, although that's not helped by the government rowing in the opposite direction & banging on about "growth".
We have a 2nd rate government (and that's being generous). The Bank of England are 2nd rate too- the best in that field work for big global banks making millions. They don't work for the Bank of England and it's equivalent institutes around the world.
The current situation probably requires more radical thinking, but the people that matter don't think that way & those that do aren't listened to.
2024 is going to be a terrible year. The Tories were hoping a steady recover so they could throw some tax cuts around next autumn and call a general election in October/November. That's already in tatters. There's no chance of them being able to do that.
Can't disagree with any of that.
It seems to me that the levers being used to fight inflation are the same ones they always pull, but the circumstances are not the same, so it all feels a little futile and unimaginative to a layman like myself.
They are going to leave the next government (probably Labour) with a massive pile of steaming turd to sort out.
Posted by: DB, June 23, 2023, 5:31am; Reply: 708
As pointed out by Maringer any rise in interest rates does not change the Mortgage repayments for those on fixed rates; which makes any rise in the rate useless unless your fixed rate is/has come to an end.
This has been proved by the constant rate rises which have little or no effect on the inflation rate. The government and B of E have no idea how to control inflation now that the old policy of rate rises has failed.
Posted by: chaos33, June 23, 2023, 9:15am; Reply: 709
Agree with all of this. In basic terms, raising interest rates is simply taking increased amounts of money off people, and giving it to banks. It’s not working. It won’t work. I’m looking around for the economists in government - people with competence and the ability to diversify their economic approach, and there’s nobody. All they are doing right now is making money more expensive.
Myths still perpetuate and the media repeat them - that you can have growth, and you can raise interest rates to squash inflation, all at the same time, and whilst wages are collapsing, labour is short and there’s a cost of living crisis! Insane. Add this to the notion that the country can’t afford public sector pay rises because that would be inflationary - a provable crock of sh1t - and we are not making any progress in our thinking and understanding.
As far as this collection of Tory charlatans is concerned - when all you have is a hammer, everything is a nail.
As far as those 5 ludicrous pledges is concerned - they will all collapse in failure. They are doing now, and they will continue to do so. Then Sunak and Hunt will gaslight the nation, blame someone else and f*ck off to a lucrative job in the city.
Posted by: Maringer, June 23, 2023, 9:28am; Reply: 710
One thing which might actually affect inflation would be to temporarily whack up VAT, especially on luxury goods. People don't have any choice but to spend on the staples, but there are plenty of cash-rich people without mortgages or debt who are as happy as Larry and can continue to spend what they want. VAT is the easiest way we can make them curtail their spending. Increases would need to be carefully-targetted, however, and I'll less than convinced that the Treasury has the wit to get this sort of thing right.
Posted by: chaos33, June 23, 2023, 10:00am; Reply: 711
Yup, agree. They won’t though.
Posted by: diehardmariner, June 23, 2023, 1:16pm; Reply: 712
Also agree, on the approach and that they won't do it.
Hits the Tory heartland and there's no chance of that.
Absolutely sick of this farce of a Government but arguably even angrier with the non-challenge from the Tory-Lites in opposition. Rachel Reeves had a golden opportunity yesterday when challenged on various outlets to provide a genuine alternative to curb rising inflation.
Her response? "we would help people who can't pay their mortgages".
Not saying that's a wrong thing to do. But there has to be more. That helps people get through a crisis. It doesn't solve the problem or even begin to do so.
Sunak and his mob are making a hash of it. I don't have any confidence that Starmer will do much different to be honest.
We're well past the time for a genuine alternative to mainstream politics.
Posted by: Sandford1981, June 25, 2023, 3:35pm; Reply: 713
Hold our nerve - that’s the plan! Jesus wept were DOOMED! What a complete an utter twit! I wonder if my mortgage company will accept non payment because I am ‘holding my nerve!’.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, June 25, 2023, 6:31pm; Reply: 714
It seems to me that the levers being used to fight inflation are the same ones they always pull, but the circumstances are not the same, so it all feels a little futile and unimaginative to a layman like myself.
They are going to leave the next government (probably Labour) with a massive pile of steaming turd to sort out.
Back in the 1970s & 1980s widespread home ownership was still in it's infancy for working and lower middle classes. And a huge majority of those homeowners had a mortgage so interest rate changes mattered back then. Now around 63% of people in this country own a property, but over half own their property outright. So interest rate changes only directly hit a minority of people and even then lots are on fixed term deals that come to an end gradually.
So interest rate increases don't have as much impact now.
But anyway, those people who are receiving letters in the next week or so informing them of the latest interest rate rises only have to keep holding their nerve with the 40% increase in the repayments on their midterm mortgage since January 2022..
Posted by: chaos33, June 25, 2023, 7:42pm; Reply: 715
And here’s a 10 year plan for the NHS with no detail. A ten year plan FFS. Record waiting lists, endless strikes but no negotiation, chronic staff shortages and leaving in droves, crumbling buildings but hang on Britain. Here’s a slogan and a load of empty prevarication about something we’ll never implement. Just insult after f*cking insult.
Posted by: DB, June 26, 2023, 5:28am; Reply: 716
He hasn't got a clue as to what to do to get us out of this mess.
Posted by: chaos33, June 26, 2023, 6:52am; Reply: 717
I quite like Russ Jones’ assessment of him as’a sixth former having a go at being Prime Minister in his gap year’.
The best you can say about him is that he doesn’t have the depravity and immorality of Boris Johnson, but he’s extremely weak, and he’s cowardly. He lies and misleads, and is cingeworthy at PMQs and in interviews. He has a tendency to just parrot slogans rather than answer questions like some demented, varnished ventriloquist dummy. He appears to understand very little about economics, and he’s about as detached from the everyday reality of your average British worker as it’s possible to be.
He’s got nothing. His opening statement about ‘professionalism, integrity and accountability at every level’ was utterly torched within hours of gibberiing it and his ‘5 people’s priority pledges’ (yeah right) are all empty and already busted. His cabinet is stuffed with demented headbangers, sociopaths, extremist whack jobs on the take and proven charlatans and grifters in the pockets of Tufton Street.
It’s gonna be a long and painful run in to the next election; he’ll have his ars* handed to him and it’ll barely register across his flickering thoughts. Back to the city or over to America, to be barely remembered, if at all, by future generations.
Posted by: Maringer, June 26, 2023, 8:22am; Reply: 718
I quite like Russ Jones’ assessment of him as’a sixth former having a go at being Prime Minister in his gap year’.
The best you can say about him is that he doesn’t have the depravity and immorality of Boris Johnson, but he’s extremely weak, and he’s cowardly. He lies and misleads, and is cingeworthy at PMQs and in interviews. He has a tendency to just parrot slogans rather than answer questions like some demented, varnished ventriloquist dummy. He appears to understand very little about economics, and he’s about as detached from the everyday reality of your average British worker as it’s possible to be.
He’s got nothing. His opening statement about ‘professionalism, integrity and accountability at every level’ was utterly torched within hours of gibberiing it and his ‘5 people’s priority pledges’ (yeah right) are all empty and already busted. His cabinet is stuffed with demented headbangers, sociopaths, extremist whack jobs on the take and proven charlatans and grifters in the pockets of Tufton Street.
It’s gonna be a long and painful run in to the next election; he’ll have his ars* handed to him and it’ll barely register across his flickering thoughts. Back to the city or over to America, to be barely remembered, if at all, by future generations.
His interviews creep me out. It's like he's a robot devoid of thought who can't compute anything other than what he's been programmed to say. Very unnerving. I doubt he's ever had a proper conversation with a member of the working class that wasn't for political purposes as he just doesn't seem able to interact with normal people.
Posted by: Sandford1981, June 27, 2023, 2:03pm; Reply: 721
His interviews creep me out. It's like he's a robot devoid of thought who can't compute anything other than what he's been programmed to say. Very unnerving. I doubt he's ever had a proper conversation with a member of the working class that wasn't for political purposes as he just doesn't seem able to interact with normal people.
As evidenced here:
Posted by: OddShapedBalls, June 28, 2023, 10:15am; Reply: 722
Sunak, a multi-millionaire (potentially a billionaire if you can get through the maze of shell companies and family wealth) and all his ilk will never get a grip on the current issues because it will never effect them in same way as it does the average person. They don;t feel the pain enough to really change things. These types take up a position in office for long enough to create loopholes and things they can then exploit along with their mates as soon as they are out of office, we're all just cattle to them. We need to curb spending....apart from giving yet more tax billions to Ukraine to spend with BAE.
The playbook has always been the same, privatisation= wealth transfer, outsourcing= wealth transfer, lockdowns= wealth transfer, green deal/net zero= wealth transfer, banks fail= wealth transfer, brexit= wealth transfer and I don't believe for one minute that Labour will be much better, it'll be business s usual with red ties instead of blue but at least it will be a change in the absence of a genuine third option and some new ideas may be explored.
Even then Labour are doing their best to shoot themselves in the foot, best chance in 20 years to make gains vs the corrupt SNP in Scotland and Starmer tells them he's going to make 90,000 of them jobless and shut off the money taps from the north sea........regardless of where you stand on north sea oil it's still a ludicrous statement pre-election.
One thing is for certain, Labour can't be any worse than the tories have been and the sooner we get the chance to kick them out the better.
Posted by: mariner91, June 28, 2023, 2:54pm; Reply: 723
Starmer looks increasingly useless but at least he's not corrupt like most of the cabal currently in charge.
Posted by: DB, June 28, 2023, 3:22pm; Reply: 724
The problem is that most MPs are there for their pension, expenses, salary ego and as many perks as they can illegitimately get. Very few are there to serve their electorate whilst to many it's a career in which they get handsomely paid for doing a bad job.
Posted by: ginnywings, June 28, 2023, 6:06pm; Reply: 725
I'm no fan of Starmer, but the Labour party at least have some honest and capable MP's in their ranks, unlike the brain dead morons in the Tory cabinet.
We have to hope that when Labour get in, they are capable of getting us back to somewhere like a properly run country.
They can't do any worse.
Posted by: grimsby pete, July 1, 2023, 12:29am; Reply: 726
I'm no fan of Starmer, but the Labour party at least have some honest and capable MP's in their ranks, unlike the brain dead morons in the Tory cabinet.
We have to hope that when Labour get in, they are capable of getting us back to somewhere like a properly run country.
They can't do any worse.
Agree with all of that Ginny , I think the Tories have less chance of winning the next election than England have of winning the ashes.
Plus as long as Labour don't member it up when they take power they will be there for 10 years at least.
Posted by: 123614 (Guest), July 1, 2023, 10:16am; Reply: 727
If labour do get in, I hope they do something about all the asylum seekers coming into the country. Just across the river from me is a small village with a fairly large Hotel that currently has just over 70 asylum seekers living there. All of them are single, military age males, and now it has been announced that another 70 odd asylum seekers will be living in the same Hotel, again all single, military age males.
Mr Justice Holgate said the Home Office had a "statutory duty" to provide accommodation for "destitute asylum seekers who would otherwise be homeless”. What about our own British homeless?
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, July 1, 2023, 11:06am; Reply: 728
Quoted from 123614
If labour do get in, I hope they do something about all the asylum seekers coming into the country. Just across the river from me is a small village with a fairly large Hotel that currently has just over 70 asylum seekers living there. All of them are single, military age males, and now it has been announced that another 70 odd asylum seekers will be living in the same Hotel, again all single, military age males.
Just out of interest, how do you know they are all ‘single, military age, males’?
Especially the 70 who haven’t yet even arrived?!
You’ve been warned about disseminating false information on the forum before!
I’m not suggesting that the current process or situation is fit for purpose but language and posts like this help no-one.
Posted by: 123614 (Guest), July 1, 2023, 11:15am; Reply: 729
This do for ya:- https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/post/news/6371ce56dda364001a22d00b, don't preach to me, who the feck do you think you are! And BTW, I have not been warned about anything, this is a forum, I can say what I like, unless the Site Owner/Admin says otherwise, and as far as I can remember, this hasn't happened, so go troll somewhere else.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, July 1, 2023, 11:20am; Reply: 730
Seems a recent thing that some people have become so proud of and caring for 'our own homeless.'
Posted by: chaos33, July 1, 2023, 12:02pm; Reply: 731
The problem, for the benefit of people like black and white bear, is that we don’t have a proper system of ‘processing’ people. Crucially, it’s not illegal to arrive anywhere, by any means. Your asylum seeking status can only be established once you’ve been assessed. We don’t do that. There’s a record high backlog. There are no safe and legal routes and very few returns agreements, so this is a political choice and a failure of government. If we devoted sufficient resources to processing arrivals and working with other countries, we could avoid situations like the ones described. A genuine asylum seeker? We will take care of you. An economic migrant from a ‘safe’ country? Back you go. Those who are genuinely seeking refuge could then work in areas of the economy where we are short of labour. This doesn’t happen because the government don’t have the will. It’s as simple as that.
Posted by: codcheeky, July 1, 2023, 12:16pm; Reply: 732
The problem, for the benefit of people like black and white bear, is that we don’t have a proper system of ‘processing’ people. Crucially, it’s not illegal to arrive anywhere, by any means. Your asylum seeking status can only be established once you’ve been assessed. We don’t do that. There’s a record high backlog. There are no safe and legal routes and very few returns agreements, so this is a political choice and a failure of government. If we devoted sufficient resources to processing arrivals and working with other countries, we could avoid situations like the ones described. A genuine asylum seeker? We will take care of you. An economic migrant from a ‘safe’ country? Back you go. Those who are genuinely seeking refuge could then work in areas of the economy where we are short of labour. This doesn’t happen because the government don’t have the will. It’s as simple as that.
This government has failed on every immigration target is has set, as chaos says they have the means stop these hotels being used if they just invested in staff to deal with backlog and processed these people, the truth they like to feed hatred fear and racism. Migration into this country is at record levels and not from the EU or from those in small boats. How many times have the Tories promised and failed deliver on dealing with this? from Cameron’s”we’ll get immigration down to the tens of thousands” May’ s hostile environment and Johnson’s general racist piffle? Now we have Braverman and Sunak trying to stir up hatred against what many see as people just like them, people who have come here and whose families have worked hard to progress and contributed to our society. The truth is 13 years of failure in nearly every aspect is coming back to bite them hopefully really hard at the next election
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, July 1, 2023, 12:46pm; Reply: 733
You have linked to an article in the Hull Daily Mail, which is part of the Reach Group. Whilst the Reach Group does have a left and centrist media presence, the majority of its revenue is derived from right-wing outlets.
I would imagine that most of the readership of the Hull Daily Mail is the older, right leaning demographic. This is supported by the views under the article:
yvonne white (HU5) • its ridiculous,what will it look like after a few weeks?these people get more attention than our own homeless • glynn moore (HU11) • It's gonna get trashed ! • david hargreaves (YO25) • they came here illegally and should be ferried back to france • glynn moore (HU11) • Absolutely David, economic migrants here to milk us, very few are genuine refugees !
Now, even allowing for this, the quote in the article is, ‘the Home Office is free to proceed and house single male asylum seekers in 77 of the rooms there’.
Note that the Hull Daily Mail don’t mention ‘military age’. Presumably, you’ve added that nugget yourself.
What is military age? It could be from 16 to mid-70s. Therefore, you are almost certainly correct that the asylum seekers will be of military age. However, you have clearly introduced that language yourself on purpose.
If you review the High Court judgement, it does indeed state that the hotel rooms will be occupied by single men. It doesn’t mention anything about military age of course.
The main reasons why the rooms in the hotel will be occupied by single males are:
1. If the rooms were multi-occupied, planning permission may have been refused (or change of use required) as the hotel could be seen to be operating as a hostel - this is the key point 2. For the safety of the asylum seekers 3. To avoid multi-occupancy rooms (e.g.family) 4. To minimise the number of visitors 5. To minimise the number of staff required (e.g. not having to safeguard women / children) 6. Without knowing whether these asylum seekers have arrived by boat or arrived by other means, we can only speculate on their gender, but it is probable that a higher proportion of the asylum seekers will be male.
Presumably, single women, children or families will be processed quicker and be housed temporarily in more suitable accommodation.
The HC judgement makes clear that these rooms should only be occupied for 21-28 days max. However, due to the backlog in processing the asylum seekers, this is unlikely to happen, but that’s not the fault of the migrants.
Posted by: 123614 (Guest), July 1, 2023, 12:47pm; Reply: 734
Seems a recent thing that some people have become so proud of and caring for 'our own homeless.'
Not recent for me mate, I'm a Vet and disgusted at the way other Vets are left homeless, and having to live on the streets, while we house thousands of foreigners in our country. Anyway, I'm out of here, don't do politics normally, so won't be taking any more part in this forum.
Posted by: 123614 (Guest), July 1, 2023, 12:57pm; Reply: 735
You have linked to an article in the Hull Daily Mail, which is part of the Reach Group. Whilst the Reach Group does have a left and centrist media presence, the majority of its revenue is derived from right-wing outlets.
I would imagine that most of the readership of the Hull Daily Mail is the older, right leaning demographic. This is supported by the views under the article:
yvonne white (HU5) • its ridiculous,what will it look like after a few weeks?these people get more attention than our own homeless • glynn moore (HU11) • It's gonna get trashed ! • david hargreaves (YO25) • they came here illegally and should be ferried back to france • glynn moore (HU11) • Absolutely David, economic migrants here to milk us, very few are genuine refugees !
Now, even allowing for this, the quote in the article is, ‘the Home Office is free to proceed and house single male asylum seekers in 77 of the rooms there’.
Note that the Hull Daily Mail don’t mention ‘military age’. Presumably, you’ve added that nugget yourself.
What is military age? It could be from 16 to mid-70s. Therefore, you are almost certainly correct that the asylum seekers will be of military age. However, you have clearly introduced that language yourself on purpose.
If you review the High Court judgement, it does indeed state that the hotel rooms will be occupied by single men. It doesn’t mention anything about military age of course.
The main reasons why the rooms in the hotel will be occupied by single males are:
1. If the rooms were multi-occupied, planning permission may have been refused (or change of use required) as the hotel could be seen to be operating as a hostel - this is the key point 2. For the safety of the asylum seekers 3. To avoid multi-occupancy rooms (e.g.family) 4. To minimise the number of visitors 5. To minimise the number of staff required (e.g. not having to safeguard women / children) 6. Without knowing whether these asylum seekers have arrived by boat or arrived by other means, we can only speculate on their gender, but it is probable that a higher proportion of the asylum seekers will be male.
Presumably, single women, children or families will be processed quicker and be housed temporarily in more suitable accommodation.
The HC judgement makes clear that these rooms should only be occupied for 21-28 days max. However, due to the backlog in processing the asylum seekers, this is unlikely to happen, but that’s not the fault of the migrants.
I'm not going to argue with you, you're full of sh!te. I live in the area and have seen with my own eyes, single, military aged males, in and around this hotel, NO women or children at all, FACT! If you think military age is 16-70, you need to do some research. You seem to think that you have all the answers about why single males are housed in the hotel, back it up with facts, not conjecture or just shut up.
So, don't bother writing a 10 paragraph answer about everything you think you know about what's going on here, you don't, and I won't be back to see what you wrote, doesn't interest me now. So troll on.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, July 1, 2023, 1:09pm; Reply: 736
Quoted from 123614
I'm not going to argue with you, you're full of sh!te. I live in the area and have seen with my own eyes, single, military aged males, in and around this hotel, NO women or children at all, FACT! If you think military age is 16-70, you need to do some research. You seem to think that you have all the answers about why single males are housed in the hotel, back it up with facts, not conjecture or just shut up.
So, don't bother writing a 10 paragraph answer about everything you think you know about what's going on here, you don't, and I won't be back to see what you wrote, doesn't interest me now. So troll on.
You think everyone on the forum is full of shïte, despite the reactions and responses to your posts suggesting otherwise.
Why don’t you think military ages are 16-70?
In many countries, you can enlist at 16. At the upper end, the French are in the process of increasing the age of reservists to 70-72, for instance.
Why even bring up military age though? It’s weird.
Posted by: chaos33, July 1, 2023, 1:20pm; Reply: 737
Honestly, this person is alienating himself from everyone else on the forum and isn’t sufficiently self aware to realise or discuss anything even handedly. Cries when he’s challenged (saying people are abusing or insulting him) and lashes out at others talking sense, saying they’re ‘full of sh1te’. Archetypal chip on shoulder person, with a serious attitude problem and with very little if anything of merit ever posted.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, July 1, 2023, 2:13pm; Reply: 738
Quoted from 123614
This do for ya:- https://www.inyourarea.co.uk/post/news/6371ce56dda364001a22d00b, don't preach to me, who the feck do you think you are! And BTW, I have not been warned about anything, this is a forum, I can say what I like, unless the Site Owner/Admin says otherwise, and as far as I can remember, this hasn't happened, so go troll somewhere else.
Have you forgotten your comments about Luton on the forum a couple of months ago?
You provided a link, and repeated comments from, an extremist, low credibility, low factuality website that is on various hatewatch lists around the world.
It even had a section on ‘how to stop Islam’!
If you want to preach stuff like that, then fill your boots, but expect to be challenged on it.
Posted by: ginnywings, July 1, 2023, 8:48pm; Reply: 739
Mr Bear, do you ever wonder why most of your contributions descend into name calling?
There is a common denominator. Can you guess what that is?
Anyway, back to politics. I see Liz Truss is launching a new international task force, aiming to get to the bottom of the flagging economy of the west. It will be called The Growth Coalition, as opposed to The Anti Growth Coalition she blamed for her complete and utter failure.
What could possibly go wrong?
People like Truss have an ego many times larger than their intelligence or skill levels.
Posted by: grimsby pete, July 2, 2023, 7:40am; Reply: 740
I want to know why vets are living on the streets.
My vet charges me the earth when I take my dog in.
He even bragged to my wife once that he would have 5 houses not 3 if he charged for fleaing cats when the owner said my cat does not have fleas.
For the bear-------- I know you did not mean vets but the other vets. ;)
Have a nice day we are too old to argue on here.
Posted by: aldi_01, July 2, 2023, 7:49am; Reply: 741
Quoted from 123614
I'm not going to argue with you, you're full of sh!te. I live in the area and have seen with my own eyes, single, military aged males, in and around this hotel, NO women or children at all, FACT! If you think military age is 16-70, you need to do some research. You seem to think that you have all the answers about why single males are housed in the hotel, back it up with facts, not conjecture or just shut up.
So, don't bother writing a 10 paragraph answer about everything you think you know about what's going on here, you don't, and I won't be back to see what you wrote, doesn't interest me now. So troll on.
What the intercourse is military aged, and what the intercourse has it got to do with anything?
You’ve seen things? Is this like the bloke on question time banging on about German and French builders coming over and taking jobs etc…in some weird alternate aid weidershen pet?
Interesting, I had the unfortunate experience of meeting a bigot a few years back, they spent ages talking about the lack of jobs these days, even though I showed him at least twenty pages on Indeed, because Johnny foreigners coming over and taking them…he then said he spent most of the 80s and early 90s working on the continent because jobs were better and money was better, oh and because England was on its bottom…he couldn’t see the irony.
Racists, anti immigration types, bigots and Sharon on Facebook always use the ‘look after yourselves first’, ‘what about our homeless’ rhetoric when they cry about asylum seekers but in the main, they do intercourse all themselves and probably tut every time they have to navigate past a homeless person in St Peter’s Ave or near Asda…
But hey, if people want to worry about something that’s not an issue, other than the government’s irresponsible attitude and ability to process applications (of course the bigots can’t see it’s not the fault of the people , but the system. Plenty are deported, but our system i/ slow and doesn’t work), however, plenty has happened in the last 5 years that should be getting people wound up…
Posted by: mariner91, July 2, 2023, 1:14pm; Reply: 742
What the intercourse is military aged, and what the intercourse has it got to do with anything?
You’ve seen things? Is this like the bloke on question time banging on about German and French builders coming over and taking jobs etc…in some weird alternate aid weidershen pet?
Interesting, I had the unfortunate experience of meeting a bigot a few years back, they spent ages talking about the lack of jobs these days, even though I showed him at least twenty pages on Indeed, because Johnny foreigners coming over and taking them…he then said he spent most of the 80s and early 90s working on the continent because jobs were better and money was better, oh and because England was on its bottom…he couldn’t see the irony.
Racists, anti immigration types, bigots and Sharon on Facebook always use the ‘look after yourselves first’, ‘what about our homeless’ rhetoric when they cry about asylum seekers but in the main, they do intercourse all themselves and probably tut every time they have to navigate past a homeless person in St Peter’s Ave or near Asda…
But hey, if people want to worry about something that’s not an issue, other than the government’s irresponsible attitude and ability to process applications (of course the bigots can’t see it’s not the fault of the people , but the system. Plenty are deported, but our system i/ slow and doesn’t work), however, plenty has happened in the last 5 years that should be getting people wound up…
On the subject of looking after our own, it would be interesting to have heard Mr Bear's views on feeding school meals to all kids when Marcus Rashford did a great job at bringing it to public attention. I suspect it would have been along the lines of "shouldn't have kids if you can't afford them" but I'm happy to be proven wrong.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 3, 2023, 6:16pm; Reply: 743
Ahhh, I see, another way for them to justify their bigotry…my bad…
Don’t worry, I only learned it myself in the last week or so listening to James O’Brien on LBC.
Posted by: grimsby pete, July 4, 2023, 9:57pm; Reply: 746
We are short of workers in so many industry's not only the NHS so why not let them work while they are here instead of spending millions on hotels ect.
Posted by: aldi_01, July 5, 2023, 6:40am; Reply: 747
We are short of workers in so many industry's not only the NHS so why not let them work while they are here instead of spending millions on hotels ect.
We have to spend millions on hotels because our asylum system isn’t fit for purpose, intercourse all to do with the alleged thousands arriving here.
Posted by: Maringer, July 5, 2023, 8:20am; Reply: 748
Also, there is no pathway for asylum seekers to work while they are waiting for their asylum claim to be processed. And the government have deliberately stymied the process so a massive backlog of claims has built up which helps them in their ongoing culture war. It might also be that they were just hopelessly incompetent, but it's probably a bit of both of these things.
Posted by: diehardmariner, July 6, 2023, 10:20am; Reply: 749
It's only going to get worse when Sunak inevitably throws his lot in and we end up with Sullea Braverman leading the country.
At that point I don't think she'll need to worry about immigration as emigration will be the thing on most minds!
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 6, 2023, 4:19pm; Reply: 750
It's only going to get worse when Sunak inevitably throws his lot in and we end up with Sullea Braverman leading the country.
At that point I don't think she'll need to worry about immigration as emigration will be the thing on most minds!
Suella wouldn’t win a Tory leadership election. Next to no chance of her being in top 2 and even less chance that the Tory members would pick her.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, July 7, 2023, 3:06pm; Reply: 751
I didn't think I could feel any more contempt for them but...
This week Jenrick ordered cartoon murals (Mickey Mouse, Jungle Book, Tom and Jerry) in a centre for unaccompanied child asylum seekers in Kent to be painted over because it was too welcoming.
Posted by: Sandford1981, July 7, 2023, 5:46pm; Reply: 752
I didn't think I could feel any more contempt for them but...
This week Jenrick ordered cartoon murals (Mickey Mouse, Jungle Book, Tom and Jerry) in a centre for unaccompanied child asylum seekers in Kent to be painted over because it was too welcoming.
Blatantly a lie-we all know that all asylum seekers are military aged males!!
Posted by: chaos33, July 7, 2023, 6:05pm; Reply: 753
As each day arrives, the spite, horror and depraved incompetency of these people shows itself. In 50 years, I’ve never known anything even remotely like it. When I was growing up and learning about politics and economics, there were tories who were ideologically different to my emerging views, but they were decent, conscientious, well intended public servants who displayed, at times, at least a shred of humanity and integrity . Now - just ghouls. Mean spirited, dishonourable, hateful ghouls.
Posted by: Sandford1981, July 7, 2023, 6:16pm; Reply: 754
As each day arrives, the spite, horror and depraved incompetency of these people shows itself. In 50 years, I’ve never known anything even remotely like it. When I was growing up and learning about politics and economics, there were tories who were ideologically different to my emerging views, but they were decent, conscientious, well intended public servants who displayed, at times, at least a shred of humanity and integrity . Now - just ghouls. Mean spirited, dishonourable, hateful ghouls.
Nail on head!
Posted by: Maringer, July 7, 2023, 8:32pm; Reply: 755
'Honest Bob' Jenrick shouldn't be anywhere near parliament, let alone the cabinet:
That's the story from a couple of years ago when he unlawfully let a Tory donor off tens of millions of costs by incorrectly granting planning permission. If you wanted an example of everything that is wrong with the Tories and the right-wing media, you'd struggle to find anyone who encompasses it quite so well as this shyster. The man's a disgrace who continues to fail upwards due to a complete lack of shame or moral fibre. That's what the best schooling gets you I suppose. Absolute vermin.
Posted by: codcheeky, July 8, 2023, 3:54pm; Reply: 756
I didn't think I could feel any more contempt for them but...
This week Jenrick ordered cartoon murals (Mickey Mouse, Jungle Book, Tom and Jerry) in a centre for unaccompanied child asylum seekers in Kent to be painted over because it was too welcoming.
The scary thing is he absolutely believes this will win him votes and among a section of our society it will do
Posted by: grimsby pete, July 9, 2023, 7:53pm; Reply: 757
Ted. Heath was not a good well meaning man, he was evil.
Posted by: ska face, July 9, 2023, 8:04pm; Reply: 758
Child rapist and satanist too.
Posted by: diehardmariner, July 10, 2023, 12:40pm; Reply: 759
Suella wouldn’t win a Tory leadership election. Next to no chance of her being in top 2 and even less chance that the Tory members would pick her.
This is the same membership group that put Liz Truss in power and was absolutely wetting themselves over Penny Mordaunt because she held a big sword for a bit.
I wouldn't entrust them to order my tea, never mind anything else.
Braverman appeals to the bigoted element of membership, who the Mail and Express types are always so happy enough to whip into a frenzy about boats. I also think those Tory MP's with any sense will steer well clear of it because right now it's beyond repair. She's arrogant enough, just like Truss and Sunak were, to think she can turn it around just by saying stupid catchphrases.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2023, 9:17am; Reply: 760
Don’t worry we will soon have captain hindsight running the country… then things will definitely be better 🤣
Posted by: chaos33, July 11, 2023, 10:27am; Reply: 761
Good contribution.
Posted by: ginnywings, July 11, 2023, 12:02pm; Reply: 762
Surely the Tories and their right wing press mates can come up with a better put down than Captain Hindsight.
They destroyed Corbyn in a much more vicious manner, but it's clear that the Tories have almost given up now, and know their number is up, finally.
I'm no fan of Starmer, but I'd have more faith in the checkout girl in my corner shop running the country, than Rishi the robot and his cronies.
Posted by: Sandford1981, July 11, 2023, 12:35pm; Reply: 763
Don’t worry we will soon have captain hindsight running the country… then things will definitely be better 🤣
C’mon Humbo even you must see the irony in calling Starmer Captain Hindsight considering all the indecisiveness of this shower of excrement! Wasn’t it a Johnson put down too? Which again is poetic given his lies and 2.3 billion U-turns. Captain Charisma is much more in keeping with the leader of the opposition if you want to go in for that sort of thing!
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2023, 1:33pm; Reply: 764
C’mon Humbo even you must see the irony in calling Starmer Captain Hindsight considering all the indecisiveness of this shower of excrement! Wasn’t it a Johnson put down too? Which again is poetic given his lies and 2.3 billion U-turns. Captain Charisma is much more in keeping with the leader of the opposition if you want to go in for that sort of thing!
No I can accept that and we need a new government, but come on Starmer he just oozes weakness, I will never forget how he dropped to his knees in support of BLM. Now he’s just put a tweet out asking to remember the 8000 Muslim men and boys who were killed 28 years ago during the genocide at Srebrenica.
As bad as this was, what’s it got to do with us? He’s just appeasing to his Muslim voters that’s all, and he’s now getting slated in the comments section. This numpty will be an absolute failure and continue where the Tory’s finish, the country deserves better.
Posted by: diehardmariner, July 11, 2023, 3:27pm; Reply: 765
I can't be arsed getting into an argument about the Tweet comment.
But there are alternatives, you don't just have to vote Tory or Labour. That people seem to think they do seems, to me anyway, part of the bigger problem.
If you want change, vote for it.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2023, 7:09pm; Reply: 766
I can't be arsed getting into an argument about the Tweet comment.
But there are alternatives, you don't just have to vote Tory or Labour. That people seem to think they do seems, to me anyway, part of the bigger problem.
If you want change, vote for it.
100% but many would never change there vote, I have chatted to people on here that confirm this, the party’s have been indoctrinated into them and this is the problem.
Posted by: chaos33, July 11, 2023, 8:29pm; Reply: 767
It isn’t the problem. The problem is the tories, and stupid people who aren’t capable of thinking things through and rejecting client media, grifters, charlatans, and con men; or reflecting and learning things, including dragging themselves up to key stage 1 literacy levels. Clearly, if you don’t know how to correctly use the word ‘their’ or understand how plurals work, you’re likely to be part of the problem. Idiots with a vote, basically. The reason for brexit, Johnson, Truss, and every other appalling atrocity inflicted on this country by the worst governing party ever.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, July 11, 2023, 8:45pm; Reply: 768
Don’t worry we will soon have captain hindsight running the country… then things will definitely be better 🤣
Because obviously the Tories have been fantastic over the past 13 years, haven’t they? It’s a pity that Starmer is likely to become PM because he hasn’t got the balls to do what’s necessary but he surely can’t be worse than this shitshow.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, July 11, 2023, 9:29pm; Reply: 769
Now he’s just put a tweet out asking to remember the 8000 Muslim men and boys who were killed 28 years ago during the genocide at Srebrenica.
As bad as this was, what’s it got to do with us? He’s just appeasing to his Muslim voters that’s all, and he’s now getting slated in the comments section.
Firstly, I hope you are well and the pollen isn’t ruining your summer. Whatever you’re sniffing, I trust it’s agreeable.
Speaking of which, let’s review your post like a nosey neighbour.
Do the majority of UK Muslims vote Labour? - yes
Is there an element of virtue signalling and attempts to appeal to the Muslim community in Starmer’s post? I don’t think so
1. Starmer was a human rights lawyer 2. Starmer was outspoken on Potocari early in his career, researching and fronting presentations on it in the 2000s 3. Starmer’s been tweeting and bringing attention to the Srebrenica anniversary for several years 4. The UK’s primary charity raising awareness of the genocide was set up with support from the FCO and substantial Government funding. David Cameron was PM at that time. Was Cameron trying to appeal to Muslim voters? Probably not. For Cameron’s many, many faults, I’m sure he was as equally disgusted that genocide could happen in Europe in the 1990s.
What’s it got to with us? I hope genocide doesn’t sit well with any of us, regardless of where it takes place. However, when it happens in Europe, less than 900 miles away from us, it’s all the more poignant.
I’ve been to BiH a few times and have visited Srebenica. A couple of months before the massacre, 8,500 Town fans had watched Grimsby draw 0-0 with Wolves.
Imagine all of those fans being murdered just because of something they believed in. Their wives, mothers and daughters raped.
So yes, it should matter to us and shouldn’t be forgotten.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2023, 10:24pm; Reply: 770
It isn’t the problem. The problem is the tories, and stupid people who aren’t capable of thinking things through and rejecting client media, grifters, charlatans, and con men; or reflecting and learning things, including dragging themselves up to key stage 1 literacy levels. Clearly, if you don’t know how to correctly use the word ‘their’ or understand how plurals work, you’re likely to be part of the problem. Idiots with a vote, basically. The reason for brexit, Johnson, Truss, and every other appalling atrocity inflicted on this country by the worst governing party ever.
You still pulling up people for their grammar on a footy forum what a sad man you are. And I post on here knowing full well I’m in the minority amongst the Labour cultists like yourself. But why do you have to resort to being abusive it’s just my point of view, by all means challenge me please, but you just show a total lack of intellect by calling me an idiot all because I voted differently to you.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 11, 2023, 11:00pm; Reply: 771
Firstly, I hope you are well and the pollen isn’t ruining your summer. Whatever you’re sniffing, I trust it’s agreeable.
Speaking of which, let’s review your post like a nosey neighbour.
Do the majority of UK Muslims vote Labour? - yes
Is there an element of virtue signalling and attempts to appeal to the Muslim community in Starmer’s post? I don’t think so
1. Starmer was a human rights lawyer 2. Starmer was outspoken on Potocari early in his career, researching and fronting presentations on it in the 2000s 3. Starmer’s been tweeting and bringing attention to the Srebrenica anniversary for several years 4. The UK’s primary charity raising awareness of the genocide was set up with support from the FCO and substantial Government funding. David Cameron was PM at that time. Was Cameron trying to appeal to Muslim voters? Probably not. For Cameron’s many, many faults, I’m sure he was as equally disgusted that genocide could happen in Europe in the 1990s.
What’s it got to with us? I hope genocide doesn’t sit well with any of us, regardless of where it takes place. However, when it happens in Europe, less than 900 miles away from us, it’s all the more poignant.
I’ve been to BiH a few times and have visited Srebenica. A couple of months before the massacre, 8,500 Town fans had watched Grimsby draw 0-0 with Wolves.
Imagine all of those fans being murdered just because of something they believed in. Their wives, mothers and daughters raped.
So yes, it should matter to us and shouldn’t be forgotten.
Horrendous moment in history but this is not something for a UK politician to be resurrecting as virtuous appeasement to the Muslim vote, proving once again there isn't a single solitary tragedy they won't exploit for political advantage.
If he wants to talk about genocide then how about the greater number of Uyghur Muslims who are being slaughtered in far greater numbers and whose fate a wannabe leader can actually influence now! I’d be more happy hearing him speaking out about the thousands of girls raped by Muslim grooming gangs up and down the country, many who did not get the justice they deserved, when the CPS under Starmer’s watch has to be said blocked the cases. And yes he can say it was down to guidelines but he never challenged them, and we know why, in his own words … an issue of ethnicity!
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, July 12, 2023, 2:02pm; Reply: 772
Horrendous moment in history but this is not something for a UK politician to be resurrecting as virtuous appeasement to the Muslim vote, proving once again there isn't a single solitary tragedy they won't exploit for political advantage.
If he wants to talk about genocide then how about the greater number of Uyghur Muslims who are being slaughtered in far greater numbers and whose fate a wannabe leader can actually influence now! I’d be more happy hearing him speaking out about the thousands of girls raped by Muslim grooming gangs up and down the country, many who did not get the justice they deserved, when the CPS under Starmer’s watch has to be said blocked the cases. And yes he can say it was down to guidelines but he never challenged them, and we know why, in his own words … an issue of ethnicity!
Dear Humbercod,
I’m not sure if you have read my previous post.
BiH - Starmer has been vocal about the genocide for the past 20 years (probably longer). It isn’t a bandwagon he’s suddenly jumped on to try to deflect from polling problems; unlike Boris and Ukraine.
I repeat; it was a Conservative government that helped fund and set up the Remembering Srebenica charity.
Uyghurs - two main points here. One, Labour haven’t been in power for 13 years and Starmer is not the PM. They have little or no influence on UK foreign policy. Two; if Starmer did vocalise his concerns on the plight of the Uyghurs louder and with increased regularity, wouldn’t you accuse him of ‘exploiting the situation for political advantage’? Uyghurs are predominantly Muslim after all.
Starmer has spoken out on the grooming gangs. There is no evidence that Starmer blocked any such cases when he was head of the CPS. Most of the cases pre-dated his appointment for a start!
Thanks for the flowers. Just need to find a vase.
x
Posted by: aldi_01, July 13, 2023, 6:28am; Reply: 773
It’s hard to fathom why people get more outraged by something said by the opposition rather than the fact we’ve a former PM who is essentially a sexual predator, a former chancellor boffing barely legal girls in a toilet, and the worst cabinet this country has ever seen. Surely that’s where the outrage and anger should be aimed…
Posted by: Humbercod, July 13, 2023, 7:53am; Reply: 774
BiH - Starmer has been vocal about the genocide for the past 20 years (probably longer). It isn’t a bandwagon he’s suddenly jumped on to try to deflect from polling problems; unlike Boris and Ukraine.
I repeat; it was a Conservative government that helped fund and set up the Remembering Srebenica charity.
Uyghurs - two main points here. One, Labour haven’t been in power for 13 years and Starmer is not the PM. They have little or no influence on UK foreign policy. Two; if Starmer did vocalise his concerns on the plight of the Uyghurs louder and with increased regularity, wouldn’t you accuse him of ‘exploiting the situation for political advantage’? Uyghurs are predominantly Muslim after all.
Starmer has spoken out on the grooming gangs. There is no evidence that Starmer blocked any such cases when he was head of the CPS. Most of the cases pre-dated his appointment for a start!
Thanks for the flowers. Just need to find a vase.
x
Starmer appointed Naz Sha! Say no more 😉
Posted by: Humbercod, July 13, 2023, 7:59am; Reply: 775
It’s hard to fathom why people get more outraged by something said by the opposition rather than the fact we’ve a former PM who is essentially a sexual predator, a former chancellor boffing barely legal girls in a toilet, and the worst cabinet this country has ever seen. Surely that’s where the outrage and anger should be aimed…
I’m not outraged! As Someone who voted for the Tory’s last time round I will be happy to see them kicked out, but I find it incredible that many on here are frothing at the mouth in anticipation of a Labour government!
I think there will be many on here in for a shock if they think Starmer and Rayner are the answer to the country’s problems. It really is time we had a credible new party no real difference between the Tory’s and Labour.
Posted by: aldi_01, July 13, 2023, 6:40pm; Reply: 776
Tories doing tory things today. flipping scum…
Posted by: chaos33, July 13, 2023, 7:28pm; Reply: 777
I’m not outraged! As Someone who voted for the Tory’s last time round I will be happy to see them kicked out, but I find it incredible that many on here are frothing at the mouth in anticipation of a Labour government!
I think there will be many on here in for a shock if they think Starmer and Rayner are the answer to the country’s problems. It really is time we had a credible new party no real difference between the Tory’s and Labour.
Point to an example of anyone ‘frothing at the mouth’ at the prospect of Starmer….
Posted by: ginnywings, July 13, 2023, 7:33pm; Reply: 778
I’m not outraged! As Someone who voted for the Tory’s last time round I will be happy to see them kicked out, but I find it incredible that many on here are frothing at the mouth in anticipation of a Labour government!
I think there will be many on here in for a shock if they think Starmer and Rayner are the answer to the country’s problems. It really is time we had a credible new party no real difference between the Tory’s and Labour.
I'm no fan of Starmer and I'm certainly not frothing at the mouth at the thought of a Labour government, but we simply have to get these brain dead charlatans out of office before they cause much more damage.
This government is by far the worst we have ever had by a massive margin. Their utter contempt for everything and everyone is staggering.
The gap between rich and poor is now a chasm, and they revel in it.
Posted by: grimsby pete, July 14, 2023, 12:38am; Reply: 779
I don't think this levelling up is working.
The South are getting richer and the North poorer.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 14, 2023, 6:03am; Reply: 780
I'm no fan of Starmer and I'm certainly not frothing at the mouth at the thought of a Labour government, but we simply have to get these brain dead charlatans out of office before they cause much more damage.
This government is by far the worst we have ever had by a massive margin. Their utter contempt for everything and everyone is staggering.
The gap between rich and poor is now a chasm, and they revel in it.
Labour’s obsession with Net zero by 2030 won’t help the rich and poor gap.
Posted by: aldi_01, July 14, 2023, 7:34am; Reply: 781
Todays instalment of Tory incompetence and cluelessness comes from the Education Secretary…zero flipping idea about what goes on in schools.
flipping astounding that these people were ever voted in…
Posted by: Maringer, July 14, 2023, 8:24am; Reply: 782
They really are just phoning it in now. It's a tactic to let things deteriorate by negligence because they know they are out on their ear next election and think that, if enough of our institutions and infrastructure are crumbling into ruin, there's no way that the next government will be able to fix most things in time for the following election. Voters have very short memories and tend to blame incumbent governments when things are going poorly, even when there was little that could be done about it.
The issue is that Starmer is such a cowardly politician that he's too scared to actually commit to the changes which are required to keep the country afloat and, if anything, is doubling down on the Tory lite approach, with a side helping of viciously silencing any internal opposition by getting them thrown out of the party on the most spurious of grounds. He's too politically stupid (or is simply blasé) to realise that the Overton window has been dragged so far to the right that his stance is practically the same as that of Thatcher. They say that Blair was Thatcher's greatest legacy, but she'd be delighted with Starmer who is fundamentally a Tory, when all is said and done.
Burnham did well to get out when he could. Rayner will quickly find herself defenestrated when Starmer gets into power. And all the while, the country will continue to crumble.
Posted by: ginnywings, July 14, 2023, 9:37am; Reply: 783
Your headstone is going to read… never got over Brexit 😂
Yeah we would be so much more better off staying in Europe, if only we were like Germany … oh wait they’re in a recession! Blame Brexit 🤣
Finally, something we agree on. I won't ever get over Brexit.
The single most boneheaded decision I have seen in my life, and all the boneheads fell for it.
Christ, I can't even believe it was ever considered, never mind seen as something to put to a vote, and here we are.
Posted by: aldi_01, July 15, 2023, 8:32am; Reply: 786
It’s really odd that people who’ve been directly affected by the vote to leave Europe find it almost entertaining to mock people for recognising it was the single worst political decision made in this country.
Proper flipping weird, but hey, we’ll just make poor comparisons to other countries to justify the horrific decisions…like complaining about Pol Pot and saying, ‘it’s ok, we voted for him, just look at Nazi Germany, they had Hitler’.
It’s so weird, in a country that fell for so much guff from politicians, Brexit takes the crown of exceptional gaslighting of a nation.
But hey, if people want to pretend that that a few folk on boats are the issue, crack on. Must be a very very sad life…
Posted by: cmackenzie4, July 15, 2023, 9:55am; Reply: 787
I know a lot of people who voted for remain but I also know a lot of people who voted to leave the European Union, most who voted to leave believed what they were being told by the so called leaders of this country, there are elements of people who voted to leave who would have voted to leave no matter what (I get that) I know intelligent people (on both sides) who voted to leave so does that mean that those people are not intelligent or thick ? They went on what they were being told, for me the decision to leave was the wrong one, the blame lays solely with the politicians who fed the general public the lies surely ??
Posted by: Sandford1981, July 15, 2023, 10:14am; Reply: 788
I know a lot of people who voted for remain but I also know a lot of people who voted to leave the European Union, most who voted to leave believed what they were being told by the so called leaders of this country, there are elements of people who voted to leave who would have voted to leave no matter what (I get that) I know intelligent people (on both sides) who voted to leave so does that mean that those people are not intelligent or thick ? They went on what they were being told, for me the decision to leave was the wrong one, the blame lays solely with the politicians who fed the general public the lies surely ??
I think I’ve admitted my stupidity and accountability for voting leave. I don’t fit in to any of Aldi’s convenient boxes or Ginny’s boneheaded category.
However, I look at their comments with similar questioning and ask how fragile is your ego when you have to repeatedly bolster it by regurgitating the same message of righteousness? Go back in this thread and you’ll see it time and again.
Of course they’ll argue my foolishness warrants their sanctimony and I accept that viewpoint because Brexit has been a disaster.
I also have to admit to a degree of hypocrisy too because in the same way as I’m looked down upon for my vote, I do likewise on the people that cannot bring themselves to admit their error and see it for the clusterfuck it’s been.
All swings, roundabouts and opinions isn’t it!
Posted by: ginnywings, July 15, 2023, 10:17am; Reply: 789
I know a lot of people who voted for remain but I also know a lot of people who voted to leave the European Union, most who voted to leave believed what they were being told by the so called leaders of this country, there are elements of people who voted to leave who would have voted to leave no matter what (I get that) I know intelligent people (on both sides) who voted to leave so does that mean that those people are not intelligent or thick ? They went on what they were being told, for me the decision to leave was the wrong one, the blame lays solely with the politicians who fed the general public the lies surely ??
Absolutely!
Voters were conned by the very people who are supposed to have their best interests at heart, but in reality only care for themselves and their kind.
Posted by: Humbercod, July 15, 2023, 12:46pm; Reply: 790
I know a lot of people who voted for remain but I also know a lot of people who voted to leave the European Union, most who voted to leave believed what they were being told by the so called leaders of this country, there are elements of people who voted to leave who would have voted to leave no matter what (I get that) I know intelligent people (on both sides) who voted to leave so does that mean that those people are not intelligent or thick ? They went on what they were being told, for me the decision to leave was the wrong one, the blame lays solely with the politicians who fed the general public the lies surely ??
Hi Chris where I’d disagree is where you say people believed what they where being told by the so called leaders, but if you look back we had Cameron as leader and he threw everything into making the people vote for remain, as did every other mainstream party, then we had the propaganda leaflets at a cost of million delivered to every household in the country, and we had the media and big business mostly behind remain. When the people decided to vote against what they where being told, well this was a moment of joy for me, it showed democracy is power and the people will ultimately decide.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, July 15, 2023, 2:09pm; Reply: 791
Hi Chris where I’d disagree is where you say people believed what they where being told by the so called leaders, but if you look back we had Cameron as leader and he threw everything into making the people vote for remain, as did every other mainstream party, then we had the propaganda leaflets at a cost of million delivered to every household in the country, and we had the media and big business mostly behind remain. When the people decided to vote against what they where being told, well this was a moment of joy for me, it showed democracy is power and the people will ultimately decide.
I mean you talk sh!te at the best of times, but to try and make out that the leave vote didn't have near unanimous support from the parts of the media that aren't required to be impartial (i.e. the huge majority of newspapers) who were acting as free advertising/propaganda is your biggest one yet.
Voters were conned by the very people who are supposed to have their best interests at heart, but in reality only care for themselves and their kind.
I voted to leave because I voted years ago to join a Common Market; sold to the public as trading partners and nothing else. Having been conned some 50 years ago I felt I had to vote leave to correct my previous vote.
Posted by: chaos33, July 15, 2023, 3:37pm; Reply: 793
That’s not gone well has it. Sounds like you swallowed the bullsh1t this time around.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, July 15, 2023, 5:26pm; Reply: 794
Brexit was always going to be an unmitigated disaster. There was no other possible outcome. The single market is the most successful multi-nation cross border trading system. In numerous indices - happiness, health, quality of life, the top 10 is packed with EU nations. We had a brilliant deal (thanks in part to the Thatcher rebate actually) and despite being outside the single currency, we were still at the top table with France and Germany on a lot matters, particularly defence and security. The special relationship continued because we were inside the EU. We’ll be sidelined with the US on trade now and motor industry will gradually shrink to insignificance. There was no possible way of extracting ourselves without it being a disaster when there no plan whatsoever for the post-Brexit world. It might not have felt like it most of the time but compared to the future our time in the EU will have been a golden age…
Posted by: Maringer, July 15, 2023, 7:24pm; Reply: 795
Brexiteers were a broad coalition of people. At the top of the pile were the bankers and financiers who funded it all (assuming the Russians weren't involved much). They knew that the EU was bringing in regulations aimed at cutting down on the use of tax havens and tax evasion and realised there was no way to dodge them if we were still in the EU. The damage to the British economy was irrelevant to them as they don't make their money in the real economy and they can always hedge their way to a profit. If they make lower profits, it doesn't really matter if they can keep more of them.
Below them we had the immensely wealthy media barons who had been trying their best to blacken the name of the EU, firstly because it gave them a good market amongst the thoughtless Brexiteers (think Telegraph, Mail and Express readers) who were fundamentally just xenophobic. Secondly, because they were rich and wanted to keep their tax haven money where it was, thanks very much.
Their fellow travellers were polirical grifters such as Farage and Johnson who made small fortunes from railing against the EU, funded and promoted by the groups already mentioned, regardless of what bullshit they made up.
Next, we're the true believers, the headbanger Tory right who were, of course, xenophobic, but also truly believed in some sort of sepia-tinted bullshit about the preeminence of Britain (well, England, really) over the rest of Europe. Mad, bad and dangerous to know, this lot. David Davis, thick as mince, one of the most high profile of these. An expert on everything that was wrong with the EU, yet who didn't apparently have the first flipping clue how it worked or what it did.
Then, we're down to the careerist MPs (of which Johnson is one, of course) including the unforgivable coward Cameron who then had the temerity to intercourse off to earn a fortune off the back of his failure of a career a millisecond after he realised he'd completely bolloxed everything up.
I've already mentioned the xenophobes, so that just leaves us with the folk who foolishly believed the bullshit that the charlatans were getting published, whilst dismissing all the valid counterfactuals about how Brexit would be impossible to make a success (and would almost certainly be an abject failure).
Oh, and the smallest group who just wanted sovereignty at any cost. "intercourse you kids, I'm taking your rights and making you poorer so you can be more sovereign". You can't really eat sovereignty, though, can you?
I have little sympathy with any of these groups, though a modicum of respect for those who realised they were misled. Nothing but contempt for those who argue Brexit could still be a success or it has only failed because it was done wrong. That's too stupid to forgive.
The amazing thing is that, all these years on, with the untold extra hours I've had to work to try and keep our business able to deal with our European customers, I still can't believe the electorate was disinterested/naive/stupid/ignorant enough to vote that way. Unfortunately, we are still, as a nation, too disinterested/naive/stupid/ignorant enough to try and reverse the catastrophe. Perhaps in a couple of decades when the oldest group of Brexiteers have gone and we're poorer than all the rest of the EU countries, we'll go begging to them cap in hand?
Posted by: ginnywings, July 15, 2023, 7:38pm; Reply: 796
I think I’ve admitted my stupidity and accountability for voting leave. I don’t fit in to any of Aldi’s convenient boxes or Ginny’s boneheaded category.
However, I look at their comments with similar questioning and ask how fragile is your ego when you have to repeatedly bolster it by regurgitating the same message of righteousness? Go back in this thread and you’ll see it time and again.
Of course they’ll argue my foolishness warrants their sanctimony and I accept that viewpoint because Brexit has been a disaster.
I also have to admit to a degree of hypocrisy too because in the same way as I’m looked down upon for my vote, I do likewise on the people that cannot bring themselves to admit their error and see it for the clusterfuck it’s been.
All swings, roundabouts and opinions isn’t it!
I apologise for the bonehead remark, but I am still really angry and upset at the turn of events that led to us leaving the European union and it has been an even bigger disaster than I could imagine.
I was proud to be a European, with all the benefits that went with it, but I am more angry for the younger generation who will suffer the most from the decision.
The whole episode has just sown division, not only in this country, but in a wider Europe. The rise of the right and neo liberalism carries on apace and it won't end well. Same thing in America with the idiot Trump and the deranged Christian fundamentalists and conspiracy lunatics.
The rich, as ever, will be sheltered from it as they always are, but the rest of us will be left to sink or swim, and all the while the threats of violence and war will escalate.
The deeper implications are yet to manifest themselves, but all I can see is more right wing parties coming to the fore, and perhaps more fragmentation between the nations of Europe.
Essentially, the Tory party were ripping themselves apart over Europe to such an extent that Cameron felt he had to act and give them the referendum they craved, which he never thought for a minute would end in the result it did, and would finally shut up the the Euro sceptics. That ended Cameron and the far right of the party marched into the vacuum. Theresa May didn't stand a chance once Boris and his mates smelt blood. He even changed sides from his pro European stance, as did Truss and others because they saw power and wealth on the horizon.
This was all brought about by the rich and their puppet media spreading lies and disinformation to get the public to think it was a great idea and would be sunlit uplands all the way.
They destroyed Corbyn and almost the entire Labour Party along with it using the same media, and culminating in the 2019 rout at the General Election.
Then they really started to rinse the country with lies and deceit. For me, it's all linked and what we have today started in 2016 when the leave vote prevailed.
Posted by: Sandford1981, July 16, 2023, 9:19am; Reply: 797
I apologise for the bonehead remark, but I am still really angry and upset at the turn of events that led to us leaving the European union and it has been an even bigger disaster than I could imagine.
I was proud to be a European, with all the benefits that went with it, but I am more angry for the younger generation who will suffer the most from the decision.
The whole episode has just sown division, not only in this country, but in a wider Europe. The rise of the right and neo liberalism carries on apace and it won't end well. Same thing in America with the idiot Trump and the deranged Christian fundamentalists and conspiracy lunatics.
The rich, as ever, will be sheltered from it as they always are, but the rest of us will be left to sink or swim, and all the while the threats of violence and war will escalate.
The deeper implications are yet to manifest themselves, but all I can see is more right wing parties coming to the fore, and perhaps more fragmentation between the nations of Europe.
Essentially, the Tory party were ripping themselves apart over Europe to such an extent that Cameron felt he had to act and give them the referendum they craved, which he never thought for a minute would end in the result it did, and would finally shut up the the Euro sceptics. That ended Cameron and the far right of the party marched into the vacuum. Theresa May didn't stand a chance once Boris and his mates smelt blood. He even changed sides from his pro European stance, as did Truss and others because they saw power and wealth on the horizon.
This was all brought about by the rich and their puppet media spreading lies and disinformation to get the public to think it was a great idea and would be sunlit uplands all the way.
They destroyed Corbyn and almost the entire Labour Party along with it using the same media, and culminating in the 2019 rout at the General Election.
Then they really started to rinse the country with lies and deceit. For me, it's all linked and what we have today started in 2016 when the leave vote prevailed.
No need for apologies Ginny, my point was a little defensive but not designed to be an attack or anything other than an observation. I accept I made a boneheaded decision but I am not stupid (that’s debatable) but I am self aware and it makes me a little delicate to be lumped together with people who voted for reasons I deem unpalatable. Again it’s the human element and my double standards I guess.
My point was more that repetition of 2 polemic points doesn’t move a discussion on. It becomes a war of attrition and furthers entrenches people in their perspective and viewpoint.
Obviously your anger is righteous, justifiable and you make a very strong argument as to why you feel as you do. Fair play!
Posted by: Humbercod, July 16, 2023, 12:27pm; Reply: 798
I mean you talk sh!te at the best of times, but to try and make out that the leave vote didn't have near unanimous support from the parts of the media that aren't required to be impartial (i.e. the huge majority of newspapers) who were acting as free advertising/propaganda is your biggest one yet.
Do you have reading? I didn’t mention newspapers (who were split) I was talking about the media as a whole Sky and the BBC looked anything but impartial whilst pretending they were. I was talking big business that came out big for remain, More than 1,280 executives, including directors from 51 FTSE 100 companies, signed a letter backing the UK's membership of the European Union.
International banking black Rock, JP Morgan, world Bank the list goes on. World leaders came out out to get the message across, we even had Obama come over to threaten us if we dared to vote for leave. Have you just conveniently forgotten about the tax payer funded leaflet? let me remind you ..a 16 page leaflet warning the British public that Brexit would increase the cost of living in the UK, damage living standards, and lead to "a decade or more of uncertainty". Hardly impartial eh Golly the truth is Remain had everything including the kitchen sink thrown at it, try taking those blinkers off.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, July 16, 2023, 1:57pm; Reply: 799
Do you have reading? I didn’t mention newspapers (who were split) I was talking about the media as a whole Sky and the BBC looked anything but impartial whilst pretending they were. I was talking big business that came out big for remain, More than 1,280 executives, including directors from 51 FTSE 100 companies, signed a letter backing the UK's membership of the European Union.
International banking black Rock, JP Morgan, world Bank the list goes on. World leaders came out out to get the message across, we even had Obama come over to threaten us if we dared to vote for leave. Have you just conveniently forgotten about the tax payer funded leaflet? let me remind you ..a 16 page leaflet warning the British public that Brexit would increase the cost of living in the UK, damage living standards, and lead to "a decade or more of uncertainty". Hardly impartial eh Golly the truth is Remain had everything including the kitchen sink thrown at it, try taking those blinkers off.
Remain had a kitchen sink of truths thrown at it, whilst Leave had a kitchen sink of lies thrown at it. Im looking out over the Down coast at the moment - the subject of one of the biggest lies of all - there will be no customs border in our country…
Posted by: Humbercod, July 16, 2023, 10:57pm; Reply: 800
Remain had a kitchen sink of truths thrown at it, whilst Leave had a kitchen sink of lies thrown at it. Im looking out over the Down coast at the moment - the subject of one of the biggest lies of all - there will be no customs border in our country…
Which sink of truths do you mean? Because looking back there were so many sink of truths, I’m amazed that the majority of the British public still voted leave!
Was it the punishment budget with immediate tax hikes and cuts to the NHS, Education and defence?
Or was it the sink of truth threat to peace in Europe?
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, July 18, 2023, 7:52am; Reply: 801
For one reason or another and in some fashion those ‘lies’ have been strangely prophetic!
Ha ha yeah you could say that, but that would be more than a tad disingenuous!
But then again there are some that strangely believe that if we’d still been in the EU, then we wouldn’t be having the same problems we and ironically the EU have now!
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, July 18, 2023, 2:52pm; Reply: 804
Inflation would be lower Interest rates would be lower Food prices would be lower Labour shortages would be less severe Industrial supply chains would be easier There would be no border in the Irish Sea Northern Ireland’s assembly would be up and running There would be shorter queues at ports and airports Our policy for dealing with small boats would be coordinated with Europe Our outstanding creative industries would have full access to lucrative European markets. The suction power of our vacuum cleaners would be lower mind…
Posted by: Maringer, July 18, 2023, 3:12pm; Reply: 805
I wonder if becoming purple-faced with rage about an EU-legislated reduction in vacuum suction motor power is a sex thing? It would explain a lot.
Posted by: Maringer, July 18, 2023, 3:59pm; Reply: 806
Inflation would be lower Interest rates would be lower Food prices would be lower Labour shortages would be less severe Industrial supply chains would be easier There would be no border in the Irish Sea Northern Ireland’s assembly would be up and running There would be shorter queues at ports and airports Our policy for dealing with small boats would be coordinated with Europe Our outstanding creative industries would have full access to lucrative European markets. The suction power of our vacuum cleaners would be lower mind…
Interesting how the polling is now changing, isn't it?
Inflation would be lower ❌ Interest rates would be lower❌ Food prices would be lower❌ Labour shortages would be less severe❌ Industrial supply chains would be easier❌ There would be no border in the Irish Sea✅ Northern Ireland’s assembly would be up and running❌ There would be shorter queues at ports and airports❌ Our policy for dealing with small boats would be coordinated with Europe❌ Our outstanding creative industries would have full access to lucrative European markets. ✅ But at least it stops the EU asset stripping! The suction power of our vacuum cleaners would be lower mind ✅✅✅…
Another remain Lie was that Brexit would cost up to 3 million jobs, but we’ve actually reduced our employment rate from 4.7% to 3.9% since we left the EU and we’ve added a million jobs to our economy. Speaking of growth France has grown 8.8% Britain 8.7% Germany 8.1% Italy 6.1% so clearly not having affect on growth the way it was predicted. By July 2022 our exports to Europe were not only the highest since Brexit they where the highest ever!
Posted by: Humbercod, July 18, 2023, 10:14pm; Reply: 808
Posted by: aldi_01, July 19, 2023, 6:51am; Reply: 809
Had an extremely interesting meeting with the chap in charge of immigration etc for our region this week.
He made some very interesting points, mainly regarding the knock on effect of Brexit, things that sensible people recognised and mentioned but those so desperate to ‘take back control’ failed to see…
It is now harder to deport Foreign National criminals since leaving the EU than it was before and the Home Office is swamped, the actual control has dwindled and is actually putting the country at risk…flipping mind blowing, and yet it was all about ‘taking back control’ apparently.
The whole presentation was fascinating on many levels and was great to hear without any political bias but someone just stating fact.
Posted by: Maringer, July 19, 2023, 7:54am; Reply: 810
I don't doubt that some of the issues caused by Brexit could have been dealt with better (e.g. properly finding and resourcing the asylum system instead of running it down to weaponise it), but it's just another example of how little the Brexiteers actually understood the EU and it's relationship with the UK. Elect clowns, expect a circus.
Of course, if we hadn't had such an incompetent bunch of clowns running the country for the past 13 years, then Brexit probably wouldn't have occurred in the first place...
Staggered to read the other day that George Osborne and Ed Balls are going to do an economics podcast. George flipping Osborne! The man whose austerity has led to hundreds of thousands of excess deaths and left the NHS crumbling. Balls should be absolutely flipping well ashamed with himself for being pally with that ghoul. Balls is a highly-qualified economist who somehow doesn't appear to have the first flipping clue about how the economy works. Not surprising since he's another Oxford PPE-er and LSE graduate. He even went to Harvard to burnish his neoliberal credentials further.
No idea what Humbo said as he's one of the few people on my blocklist. I'd imagine it is still incoherent right-wing bullshit, if the bits I've seen other people quote in this thread are anything to go by.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, July 19, 2023, 1:46pm; Reply: 811
Another remain Lie was that Brexit would cost up to 3 million jobs, but we’ve actually reduced our employment rate from 4.7% to 3.9% since we left the EU and we’ve added a million jobs to our economy. Speaking of growth France has grown 8.8% Britain 8.7% Germany 8.1% Italy 6.1% so clearly not having affect on growth the way it was predicted. By July 2022 our exports to Europe were not only the highest since Brexit they where the highest ever!
Perhaps you think the statistics in the publications in the House of Commons library are lies because they are assembled by the “Blob”. The value of uk exports to the EU is below 2019 levels in real terms; average transit speeds are 8% slower than when we left the single market and that’s before the full customs checked are introduced later this year. Uk inflation is 1.8% higher than EU inflation, uk GDP is 0.5% below pre-pandemic levels EU GDP is 2.25% above.
Unemployment hasn’t been an issue for the UK economy for years because we are stacked with trashy zero hours employment. Skilled labour shortages has been. McDonalds franchises employ 170,000 people about equal to NHS vacancies.
Brexit may yet decimate the UK EV industry and cost loads of high paid engineering jobs but it look like massive subsidies are going to be laid out to support it starting with a battery factory in Rees-Mogg’s back yard.
If you listen to Feargal Sharkey’s podcast he talks about the customs border in the Irish Sea being obvious to him, it was to me as well. Then Alistair Campbell replies - shame it wasn’t obvious to BJ. But of course it was, BJ knew all along but just lied about it. If the truth has been told pre-referendum that would have completely undermined the DUPs pre-referendum Leave support. The Leave vote in NI would have collapsed. That wouldn’t have changed the overall result but the margin would have been sub 1 million. The ignorance and disdain of NI from the current Tories is a disgrace and an insult to John Major, Clinton and Mo Mowlem and peace process.
My wife’s family are from the unionist community but I agree with Feargal, who is also family on my side, we are on the road to Irish unification - it’s when not if, and key thing is how the tradition’s of NI Protestant community is preserved after reunification. Next reading for me is the book recommended - Northern Protestants.
Posted by: codcheeky, August 23, 2023, 11:06pm; Reply: 812
Posted by: aldi_01, August 24, 2023, 11:55pm; Reply: 813
Funny that this story should come out today.
Had the pleasure of meeting with the Director of Procurement and Estates for the DfE today, even as an employee, he provided a caveat that everything will take much longer than prescribed timelines because they’re having to do millions of pounds of repairs on new school buildings because things were rushed through…
He then told us not to expect too much because the department is a shambles…
He’s worked for the DfE for around 12 years and he’s never known anything like it…flipping terrifying…
Posted by: Maringer, August 25, 2023, 8:00am; Reply: 814
When you consciously underfund public services for years and years, it shouldn't be a surprise when they start to fail. These Tory wreckers know they are on the way out so I wonder what sort of other excrement they'll pull before we have the chance to get rid of them at the ballot box?
Unfortunately, Starmer doesn't have the courage even of a Blair/Brown partnership who knew they needed to pump money in to reverse years of decline. The next government (almost certainly Labour) won't do anything more than tinker around the edges as things continue to deteriorate.
Posted by: ginnywings, August 26, 2023, 8:01pm; Reply: 815
Dorries finally resigns.
Well, officially anyway, she downed tools weeks ago.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, August 27, 2023, 7:19am; Reply: 816
Well, officially anyway, she downed tools weeks ago.
Actually she closed her constituency office and stopped replying to emails and dealing with case work about 2 years ago didn’t she?
An absolute disgrace of a woman and the only decent thing Sunak has done as PM is ensuring she doesn’t get to freeload in the Lords for the rest of her life/until it’s abolished.
Posted by: LH, August 31, 2023, 12:09pm; Reply: 817
Shapps new defence sec. Good grief, we’re doomed.
Posted by: ginnywings, August 31, 2023, 12:33pm; Reply: 818
He's a moron, even among morons, and we put him in charge of the armed forces.
A known liar and scam artist, who has incredibly held 5 cabinet posts in a year, just shows how morally bankrupt and desperate for talent the Tories are.
This trumps Dorries as culture secretary.
Posted by: chaos33, August 31, 2023, 1:35pm; Reply: 819
Grant Shapps . Or is it Michael Green? The man who sold get rich quick schemes on the internet under a false name. Fail upwards in this cabinet.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, August 31, 2023, 2:08pm; Reply: 820
What a year it's been for Grant Shapps/Michael Green/Corinne Stockheath/Sebastian Fox. He has been home secretary, transport secretary, business secretary, energy secretary and now defence secretary. No wornder he has so many personas.
Posted by: ginnywings, September 22, 2023, 9:56am; Reply: 821
So, what do we think of their latest wheeze to win votes?
I for one am over the moon that they have scrapped the meat tax and had second thoughts on making us have seven bins.
Phew! Thank God for sensible policies.
Posted by: Sandford1981, September 22, 2023, 12:54pm; Reply: 822
I honestly don’t know where to start with it! The false bravado, the incongruity, the toe curling desperation, the total lack of self awareness or the ability not to urine himself as he hears the bullshit and hypocrisy leave his own lips! It leaves me totally befuddled and angry truth be told.
Posted by: Maringer, September 22, 2023, 1:35pm; Reply: 823
The Tories are now reaching the laughable stage, but there's no way of getting rid of them for months and months, so I fear what condition the country will be left in when they are finally turfed out.
Unfortunately, things won't improve much when they are gone because Starmer and Reeves are completely bloody useless. Reeves has set out her economic plan for Labour in the FT today. Imagine she's George Osborne wearing a dress and that's about it. Austerity, no investment, nothing which could possibly repair the damage caused by the Tory wreckers. The only plan is to reduce the national debt without any thought about what it actually is or what the consequences will be. And in any case, without investment, the only way the national debt will be reduced is if it is inflated away. I'd imagine that's what she's banking on, which is handy for the bankers, of which she used to be one. Not one of the venal bankers in the financial sector out to make lots of money. One of the clueless bankers at the BoE who are so wedded to neoliberal orthodoxy they somehow manage to ignore the way the economy has been hollowed out by it over the decades.
She's more inept than Starmer and he's too inept to see it. And yet they'll still be a (minor) improvement over the current bunch!
Posted by: DB, September 22, 2023, 2:33pm; Reply: 824
Which way next to get some votes? This lot are more slithery than an Eel.
Posted by: grimsby pete, September 30, 2023, 2:11pm; Reply: 825
I can not believe you can be Prime Minister for 3weeks step down and get a pension !!!!!!!!
Where else could that happen ?
Posted by: ginnywings, September 30, 2023, 7:16pm; Reply: 826
C'mon Pete, be fair, it was more like 7 weeks, and she worked really hard at trying to bankrupt the country.
She killed the queen too…
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, October 6, 2023, 2:18pm; Reply: 828
£36 billion for network north transport projects - https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/network-north I've just looked at them, for a start there are a load road projects in there - so not £36 billion for public transport. Whilst Hull will get faster links to Leeds and Manchester there is absolutely feck all for GY and Clee / Scunny.
Posted by: chaos33, October 7, 2023, 10:29pm; Reply: 829
I thought Grimsby was on the list of northern towns who were to receive about 8 quid over ten years to ‘turn them round’(bribe them to vote Tory again) or something…….?
Posted by: ginnywings, October 12, 2023, 6:33pm; Reply: 830
I thought Grimsby was on the list of northern towns who were to receive about 8 quid over ten years to ‘turn them round’(bribe them to vote Tory again) or something…….?
It's going swimmingly. Lia Nici should be very proud.
Posted by: Knut Anders Fosters Voles, October 12, 2023, 6:37pm; Reply: 831
I'm enjoying the excuses that Tories are giving for getting minced in the by-elections.
Not one of them has said it's because we are a lying bunch of self serving scum bags and the public have finally seen through us.
But just imagine how much worse things would have been if Corbyn had got in….
Posted by: Phil the cod, October 20, 2023, 4:12pm; Reply: 837
Parents bleeting about the lack of quality of free school dinners, and looking at them I tend to agree, on the flip side the very same parents kicking off with the teachers for having the audacity to confiscate cans of prime energy drink from 6 year old kids at £3.99 a can. Only in this entitled, selfish society would this happen, meanwhile, the "foreign" parents at the same school turn out polite, healthy,well fed, and well presented children. Says it all.
Posted by: Phil the cod, October 20, 2023, 4:15pm; Reply: 838
I'm enjoying the excuses that Tories are giving for getting minced in the by-elections.
Not one of them has said it's because we are a lying bunch of self serving scum bags and the public have finally seen through us.
Labour are no better, no bigger liar than Tony Blair. The green party stand out as genuine if a little wet.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, October 20, 2023, 4:29pm; Reply: 839
I’m looking forward to the day when Farage becomes leader of the Tories…I’ll sleep easier in the knowledge that the Tories will never get above 30 odd % of the popular vote at best.
Posted by: ginnywings, October 27, 2023, 11:17pm; Reply: 840
Another rapist and drug user in the ranks.
Hypocritical, self righteous fookers.
Posted by: DB, November 1, 2023, 7:10am; Reply: 841
So Boris wanted all the pensioners to vote for him, and once in he was quite prepared to let them die with covid. To call him an arsole would be one hell of a compliment. I do not have the words to describe how despicable he is.
Would his father have been the first? I don't think so.
Posted by: ska face, November 1, 2023, 9:38am; Reply: 842
I’m looking forward to the day when Farage becomes leader of the Tories…I’ll sleep easier in the knowledge that the Tories will never get above 30 odd % of the popular vote at best.
Farage is probably the most successful politician this country has seen in recent times. Achieved everything he’s ever wanted despite never being elected as an MP, and now we have a country built in his image.
Posted by: chaos33, November 1, 2023, 9:55am; Reply: 843
And it’s a f***ing crying shame that there’s so much support for this way of thinking and living in the popular newspapers. Look at what’s coming out in the COVID enquiry hearings - the unimaginable and utterly disgraceful conduct of a collection of the worst people you could ever think of, ruining the country and writing people off to die, without caring. And there’ll be no consequences. The f***ing Tories are a hateful, hateful bunch of bast*rds.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 1, 2023, 12:51pm; Reply: 844
I’m looking forward to the day when Farage becomes leader of the Tories…I’ll sleep easier in the knowledge that the Tories will never get above 30 odd % of the popular vote at best.
I’m looking forward to the day the party of Islam are cleared by electoral commission, insuring Labour lose their core voters practically making them defunct.
In the meantime it’s great watching our new PM in waiting squirming and grovelling to the Muslims whilst supporting Israel, mr Flip Flop just doesn’t know which way to turn… comedy gold 🤣
What a sad state our once great country has become.
Posted by: chaos33, November 1, 2023, 1:49pm; Reply: 845
You’re an utter disgrace.
Posted by: mariner91, November 1, 2023, 6:23pm; Reply: 846
I’m looking forward to the day the party of Islam are cleared by electoral commission, insuring Labour lose their core voters practically making them defunct.
In the meantime it’s great watching our new PM in waiting squirming and grovelling to the Muslims whilst supporting Israel, mr Flip Flop just doesn’t know which way to turn… comedy gold 🤣
What a sad state our once great country has become.
There’s about 3.5 million Muslims in the UK currently. Even if every single one of them voted for Labour it would still be less than a third of the total votes Labour got in the last election and I strongly suspect they might get quite a few more next time round.
Posted by: chaos33, November 1, 2023, 7:47pm; Reply: 847
Ignoring 13 years of utter depravity and ruin caused by the Tories and rambling racist sh1te that is somehow linked to the Labour Party. A party who have had nothing to do with anything that’s happened in this country for more than a decade. It’s just appalling.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 1, 2023, 11:08pm; Reply: 848
There’s about 3.5 million Muslims in the UK currently. Even if every single one of them voted for Labour it would still be less than a third of the total votes Labour got in the last election and I strongly suspect they might get quite a few more next time round.
It’s probably well over 4m now and gods knows how many unofficial just waiting for the amnesty. And how many left wing non Muslim idiots would follow?
Posted by: mariner91, November 2, 2023, 1:08pm; Reply: 849
Some of you will be aware that I am Mr H Cod’s legal representation. It’s a tough gig but it pays the bills.
There appears to be some confusion with the posts made by my client recently.
As you know, Mr Cod is deeply troubled by environmental matters. One of his major concerns is the disposal of babycare products down the countries lavatories.
Unfortunately Mr Cod’s iPhone (which, incidentally auto-corrects to iSlam) 11 has a particularly aggressive spelling correction function. It’s a well known fault with this particularly model. When my client types ‘Muslin’, his phone auto-corrects this as ‘Muslim’.
For instance, my client is pointing out that there are 3.5-4m muslin nappies left in this country. Mr Cod is concerned about the ‘supply chain idiots’ that have left us in this mess, causing families to switch to disposable nappies, rather than eco-friendly muslin alternatives.
My client is worried that expectant pregnant persons might be panicked into early labour due to this terrible situation.
Mr Cod hopes that this clears up some of the recent confusion.
Posted by: Rick12, November 2, 2023, 11:01pm; Reply: 851
There’s about 3.5 million Muslims in the UK currently. Even if every single one of them voted for Labour it would still be less than a third of the total votes Labour got in the last election and I strongly suspect they might get quite a few more next time round.
Honestly Mariner . Best girl I ever met was a Muslim. Beautiful person inside and out . Seems the recent events in the middle east have affected the Muslim vote with regards to Labour and Conservative though Labour loosing out more albeit greens gaining somewhat:
In the 2019 Election, our participants voted: 71% – Labour 12% – Did not vote 9% – Conservatives 2.5% – Liberal Democrats 2% – Green Party 1.6% – SNP 1.2% – Independent 0.7% – Other If there were an election tomorrow, our participants responded: 40% – Will not vote 21% – Independent 17% – Green Party 10% – Liberal Democrat 4.9% – SNP 4.8% – Labour 0.6% – Conservative 3.5% – Other
Honestly Mariner . Best girl I ever met was a Muslim. Beautiful person inside and out . Seems the recent events in the middle east have affected the Muslim vote with regards to Labour and Conservative though Labour loosing out more albeit greens gaining somewhat:
In the 2019 Election, our participants voted: 71% – Labour 12% – Did not vote 9% – Conservatives 2.5% – Liberal Democrats 2% – Green Party 1.6% – SNP 1.2% – Independent 0.7% – Other If there were an election tomorrow, our participants responded: 40% – Will not vote 21% – Independent 17% – Green Party 10% – Liberal Democrat 4.9% – SNP 4.8% – Labour 0.6% – Conservative 3.5% – Other
One of my flatmates when I was a student was British-pakistani and a practising Muslim and he's a top, top bloke. I understand there are some parts of that population that are a bit insular and don't integrate much but the majority do. Only fools fear someone based on their religion alone.
Posted by: Rick12, November 3, 2023, 12:23pm; Reply: 855
One of my flatmates when I was a student was British-pakistani and a practising Muslim and he's a top, top bloke.
I use to be very close to another Muslim girl (really good morals and sentiments) and in fact could of got married with her but the timing wasnt right. Just wish whoever gets in power has a heart of gold and trys to do what is best for everyone on a world stage. If more people thought like that life would be in far better shape.
Posted by: Sandford1981, November 4, 2023, 4:23pm; Reply: 856
Sorry for my bluntness but intercourse me!! Of all the issues this country has to deal with and Braverman is looking at restricting the use of tents by the homeless. It gets better though-with her declaring that a lot of the great unwashed see it as a lifestyle choice. Given the choices this shower (pun intended) have inflicted upon the people of this country it would be closer to the truth to say it’s a lifestyle they have forced on many. There’s no accountability, responsibility, self awareness or compassion from this bunch of morons. They absolutely disgust me and she’s a bloody disgrace!!
Posted by: LH, November 11, 2023, 12:03pm; Reply: 857
Well well well - Braverman blows her whistle and all the male private heads appear at the Cenotaph. Remembrance is barely recognisable a solemn period of errr remembrance any more.
Posted by: ska face, November 11, 2023, 12:43pm; Reply: 858
Very respectful from Braverman’s Blackshirts
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, November 11, 2023, 12:46pm; Reply: 859
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Posted by: Humbercod, November 11, 2023, 3:17pm; Reply: 860
Ffs there’s some scum on here! There’s been scuffles every weekend with terrorists sympathising scumbags but nothing reported! Well done to all the proud English patriots who have every right to pay their respects, let’s remember why the pro Palestine Met police are actually at the cenotaph…. To stop the Islamic extremist scum from attacking it!
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Real racism!
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Posted by: ginnywings, November 11, 2023, 8:17pm; Reply: 866
Give it up Humbo. There was a conservative estimate of 300,000, and some say many more than that, pro Palestinian protesters today, which is their right, whether you agree or not, and yet most of the incidents dealt with by the police involved the few hundred anti protesters, who were mostly EDL and the like. There's no group more racist and anti semitic than that lot. Their call to "protect" the cenotaph was ridiculous and unnecessary.
It went off quite peacefully mostly, and yet there you are picking out isolated placards, when I could quite as easily go and find just as many offensive things the anti protesters perpetrated.
There are extremists on both sides, but mostly, it was a peaceful protest.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 11, 2023, 10:17pm; Reply: 867
Give it up Humbo. There was a conservative estimate of 300,000, and some say many more than that, pro Palestinian protesters today, which is their right, whether you agree or not, and yet most of the incidents dealt with by the police involved the few hundred anti protesters, who were mostly EDL and the like. There's no group more racist and anti semitic than that lot. Their call to "protect" the cenotaph was ridiculous and unnecessary.
It went off quite peacefully mostly, and yet there you are picking out isolated placards, when I could quite as easily go and find just as many offensive things the anti protesters perpetrated.
There are extremists on both sides, but mostly, it was a peaceful protest.
Hang in a minute ginny I didn’t start with the placards! Like you say extremists on both sides but if we’re going to condemn and expose then let’s see both sides eh! Would love to know how you come to the conclusion that a group of football lads are especially more anti semetic than Jew hating Palestinians 🤷♂️
Most of the major incidents are still ongoing tonight and it’s certainly not the so called far right.
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Posted by: headingly_mariner, November 12, 2023, 1:41pm; Reply: 868
Ffs there’s some scum on here! There’s been scuffles every weekend with terrorists sympathising scumbags but nothing reported! Well done to all the proud English patriots who have every right to pay their respects, let’s remember why the pro Palestine Met police are actually at the cenotaph…. To stop the Islamic extremist scum from attacking it!
You're radicalised and an extremist. Get some help.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, November 13, 2023, 9:06am; Reply: 869
Ffs there’s some scum on here! There’s been scuffles every weekend with terrorists sympathising scumbags but nothing reported! Well done to all the proud English patriots who have every right to pay their respects, let’s remember why the pro Palestine Met police are actually at the cenotaph…. To stop the Islamic extremist scum from attacking it!
Like so many right wingers you are confusing patriotism with nationalism.
Patriotism is a love of your country. Nationalism is a belief that your country and culture is superior to others. Covering your face, wrapping yourself in the flag of St George and fighting with the Met is not patriotism.
Posted by: Hagrid, November 13, 2023, 10:10am; Reply: 870
flipping david cameron hahahahahah
what a complete laughing stock this country is, Get these tory illegitimates out
Posted by: LH, November 13, 2023, 10:10am; Reply: 871
Non-MP former PM who’s downfall was caused by disastrous foreign policy gamble made Foreign Secretary. 🎪🤹♂️🤡
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, November 13, 2023, 10:12am; Reply: 872
Cameron back in government. FFS!
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, November 13, 2023, 10:14am; Reply: 873
And remember, he's a big chum of Bozo's. The door is opening....
Posted by: Humbercod, November 13, 2023, 10:42am; Reply: 874
Sacked the best Home Secretary we’ve had in a long time, what a sad state of affairs when the Tory’s buckle to the left. Braverman will be PM in 5 years.
Posted by: mariner91, November 13, 2023, 11:08am; Reply: 875
Sacked the best Home Secretary we’ve had in a long time, what a sad state of affairs when the Tory’s buckle to the left. Braverman will be PM in 5 years.
No. She won't. Her approval ratings are ridiculously low with less than 20% of the public thinking she's done a good job. She's also as thick as a boxing day turd.
Posted by: Hagrid, November 13, 2023, 11:22am; Reply: 876
Sacked the best Home Secretary we’ve had in a long time, what a sad state of affairs when the Tory’s buckle to the left. Braverman will be PM in 5 years.
She bloody will not, She's an evil female dog
Posted by: Humbercod, November 13, 2023, 11:26am; Reply: 877
No. She won't. Her approval ratings are ridiculously low with less than 20% of the public thinking she's done a good job. She's also as thick as a boxing day turd.
This is bollox! Approval rating from where the Guardian?
It’s all about demographics for example from a employment point of view, I had a team brief this morning 15 electrical/instrumentation technicians and everyone agreed with her saying the right things we want to hear. I would guess if I went to anywhere on the Humber bank and questioned the scaffolders, pipe fitters etc the vast majority would agree with her. Ask some civil servants in a wet liberal office block and then they would more than likely be against her.
Posted by: Manchester Mariner, November 13, 2023, 11:33am; Reply: 878
This is bollox! Approval rating from where the Guardian?
It’s all about demographics for example from a employment point of view, I had a team brief this morning 15 electrical/instrumentation technicians and everyone agreed with her saying the right things we want to hear. I would guess if I went to anywhere on the Humber bank and questioned the scaffolders, pipe fitters etc the vast majority would agree with her. Ask some civil servants in a wet liberal office block and then they would more than likely be against her.
You're clearly in the wrong job and should be working in polling instead.
Posted by: mariner91, November 13, 2023, 11:53am; Reply: 879
This is bollox! Approval rating from where the Guardian?
It’s all about demographics for example from a employment point of view, I had a team brief this morning 15 electrical/instrumentation technicians and everyone agreed with her saying the right things we want to hear. I would guess if I went to anywhere on the Humber bank and questioned the scaffolders, pipe fitters etc the vast majority would agree with her. Ask some civil servants in a wet liberal office block and then they would more than likely be against her.
YouGov are generally pretty good at polling. But if you've had a quick word with 15 of your workmates then I'm certain that must be representative of the population as a whole.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, November 13, 2023, 12:13pm; Reply: 880
Sacked the best Home Secretary we’ve had in a long time, what a sad state of affairs when the Tory’s buckle to the left. Braverman will be PM in 5 years.
Give your head a wobble. I hope there’s somebody left that still cares enough about you to help you when it dawns on you that you’re down a rabbit hole of conspiracy theories and racial hate.
Posted by: GollyGTFC, November 13, 2023, 12:16pm; Reply: 881
YouGov are generally pretty good at polling. But if you've had a quick word with 15 of your workmates then I'm certain that must be representative of the population as a whole.
Only 41% think she should resign from your link 😮
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, November 13, 2023, 1:05pm; Reply: 885
Seems to signal Sunak waving the white flag on the culture war they have been attempting to start.
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The BBC seem to think that Cameron's return is to attract southern voters who are flirting with the Lib Dems.
If 30p Lee does get the boot I'd have to agree with you that it sees a move to the centre but Sunak will have trouble brewing because the Tory right wing will coalesce around their mouthpieces getting sidelined.
Sunak's problem is that he just can't keep all the elements of his party happy at the same time, meanwhile the 'big beasts' are all plotting behind his back as they sniff a run at the leadership. Like rats fighting in a sack.
Posted by: Maringer, November 13, 2023, 1:36pm; Reply: 886
The biggest problem with the Tories (and there are many), is that the next leader of their party will be elected by a bunch of gibbering, geriatric bigots. Hence the move ever-rightwards. Over the past few months, especially, it's pretty frightening to see just how much this pathetic excuse for a government has been pushing towards fascism. Look at the 14 points common to fascism from Umberto Eco's famous essay:
Pretty much every one of these has been pushed by the Tories over the course of this parliament. A handful of more centrist, moderate Conservative politicians have spoken out (and been booted out of government), but the cowardly and supine majority (this includes you, Martin Vickers) stay quiet in outright self-interest.
Lower than vermin.
Posted by: BobbyCummingsTackle, November 13, 2023, 1:51pm; Reply: 887
Sacked the best Home Secretary we’ve had in a long time, what a sad state of affairs when the Tory’s buckle to the left. Braverman will be PM in 5 years.
Not a high bar.
Posted by: DB, November 13, 2023, 3:00pm; Reply: 888
It doesn't say much for the rest of the Tory MPs when a non MP is given the job of Foreign Secretary.
Posted by: mariner91, November 13, 2023, 3:37pm; Reply: 889
If my approval rating amongst people who know who I am was 15% I'd be really upset and concerned. Particularly if nearly half of them don't like me and the rest don't care.
Posted by: chaos33, November 13, 2023, 5:56pm; Reply: 890
Sacked the best Home Secretary we’ve had in a long time, what a sad state of affairs when the Tory’s buckle to the left. Braverman will be PM in 5 years.
I’ll bet you a trillion pounds she won’t. Utterly hateful human being and the worst ever HS in a parade of sh1t stained Tory disgraces. A racist and sociopathic bigot, in plain sight, supported here by you - a stupid bigot like the rest of them.
Posted by: chaos33, November 13, 2023, 6:01pm; Reply: 891
Glad to see the back of Therese Coffey as well - an absolute sh1t bag of a politician who has contributed nothing good to public service ever, and allowed our beautiful waterways to be poisoned in the name of profit whilst lying, scoffing and bumbling through month after month gaslighting the nation. An absolute sh1t show to a person and Braverman and Coffee two of the worst.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, November 13, 2023, 6:10pm; Reply: 892
Glad to see the back of Therese Coffey as well - an absolute sh1t bag of a politician who has contributed nothing good to public service ever, and allowed our beautiful waterways to be poisoned in the name of profit whilst lying, scoffing and bumbling through month after month gaslighting the nation. An absolute sh1t show to a person and Braverman and Coffee two of the worst.
Another one Feargal Sharkey has seen off, if he stood in any constituency he’d be elected by a landslide…
Posted by: Sandford1981, November 13, 2023, 6:18pm; Reply: 893
Another one Feargal Sharkey has seen off, if he stood in any constituency he’d be elected by a landslide…
Because he’s an informed, articulate, caring, collaborative, empathic, warm, intelligent, strong human being. And there are none of those in the governing party. The absolute opposite.
Posted by: ginnywings, November 13, 2023, 6:57pm; Reply: 895
The Tories are so devoid of talent, they have dragged the pig fooker out of his cushy "charity" work.
I've no doubt Suella Braverman has her eyes on the top prize, and probably got herself banished, so she could go out to the back benches and plot away out of the public gaze. They know their goose is cooked, so a few of them are looking 5 years down the road, and don't want to be in the cabinet when the big loss comes.
She is an odious witch, totally devoid of compassion, and I hope this is the end of her political career.
Posted by: chaos33, November 13, 2023, 7:22pm; Reply: 896
I can’t match any other politician to her in terms of an utter lack of any human compassion. Forget ideological differences - she is just a vehicle for spreading bile, division, fear and prejudice. Breaking things, setting alight to all she touches - driving division and suspicion. I dont know what’s happened to her in her life to make her so reptilian and baleful, but this country will never evolve whilst there are hateful and toxic individuals like her wielding power.
Posted by: Maringer, November 13, 2023, 9:47pm; Reply: 897
The Tories are so devoid of talent, they have dragged the pig fooker out of his cushy "charity" work.
I've no doubt Suella Braverman has her eyes on the top prize, and probably got herself banished, so she could go out to the back benches and plot away out of the public gaze. They know their goose is cooked, so a few of them are looking 5 years down the road, and don't want to be in the cabinet when the big loss comes.
She is an odious witch, totally devoid of compassion, and I hope this is the end of her political career.
Braverman is so bad, she could host a GB News show.
Speaking of which, I see that they've put Esther McFeckingVey back into government now as well. It's like the shittest Carousel the world could imagine.
Posted by: AdamHaddock, November 14, 2023, 3:46am; Reply: 898
Given that UKIP have taken over the Tory party in recent years, she's likely to be the next leader
Posted by: golfer, November 14, 2023, 8:40am; Reply: 899
I think Town will win tonight and don't give a fck about what is going on in Westminster. I don't agree with anything whether Tory Labour or Lib. None will make my life better. Promises promises and lies.
Posted by: Maringer, November 14, 2023, 9:38am; Reply: 900
I think Town will win tonight and don't give a fck about what is going on in Westminster. I don't agree with anything whether Tory Labour or Lib. None will make my life better. Promises promises and lies.
Palpable nonsense.
Posted by: ska face, November 14, 2023, 10:03am; Reply: 901
This thread has nothing to do with football and if so called amateur politicians want to talk a load of biased shite get on a different site.
Am I missing something here? Is this an inside joke?
You tell us you don’t give a intercourse about politics and that it has nothing to do with football whilst in a politics thread on the non football forum!
Posted by: Humbercod, November 14, 2023, 1:27pm; Reply: 906
This thread has nothing to do with football and if so called amateur politicians want to talk a load of biased shite get on a different site.
Can you stop taking my red crosses 😂
Posted by: golfer, November 14, 2023, 2:37pm; Reply: 907
I am that angry I can't think of what to do. I know. It's drastic but it's the last resort. I'm going to give you all a red cross - that'll show you. If this doesn't work I'll see all of you behind the bike shed after school.
Posted by: chaos33, November 14, 2023, 2:59pm; Reply: 908
Go and have a lie down you numpty 🙂
Posted by: Sandford1981, November 14, 2023, 3:58pm; Reply: 909
I am that angry I can't think of what to do. I know. It's drastic but it's the last resort. I'm going to give you all a red cross - that'll show you. If this doesn't work I'll see all of you behind the bike shed after school.
Behind the bike shed? I’m assuming what that meant when I was at school is different to what it meant when you did, you kinky sodomist!!
Posted by: golfer, November 14, 2023, 4:06pm; Reply: 910
I wish I never, it might have meant I saw more action behind the bike shed than I actually did!
Posted by: LH, November 15, 2023, 11:00am; Reply: 913
No way! The Rwanda plan was unlawful - who would have guessed that? And on a day which started with good news about inflation - so cruel that no-one will be talking about that on the news today.
Posted by: Maringer, November 15, 2023, 5:25pm; Reply: 914
Inflation that has gone down in no part whatsoever due to anything the government has done. Just a drop in energy prices, innit. And it's still more than double the target rate. Oh, and we're all getting screwed into the ground by interest rates as well.
The headbangers of the Tory right are now going on about leaving the ECHR, despite the fact that the Rwanda plan would have been rejected for breaking various other aspects of international law.
Oh, not to mention that the Good Friday agreement is based on ECHR rulings so we'd have to renegotiate the GFA if we wanted to leave the ECHR. Good luck with that when you can't even get the Stormont assembly up and running!
Absolute clownshoes, the lot of them.
Posted by: ginnywings, November 15, 2023, 6:25pm; Reply: 915
Perhaps the new "common sense" minister can sort it out.
Have you ever heard anything more pathetic and desperate?
Posted by: Sandford1981, November 15, 2023, 6:32pm; Reply: 916
Inflation that has gone down in no part whatsoever due to anything the government has done. Just a drop in energy prices, innit. And it's still more than double the target rate. Oh, and we're all getting screwed into the ground by interest rates as well.
The headbangers of the Tory right are now going on about leaving the ECHR, despite the fact that the Rwanda plan would have been rejected for breaking various other aspects of international law.
Oh, not to mention that the Good Friday agreement is based on ECHR rulings so we'd have to renegotiate the GFA if we wanted to leave the ECHR. Good luck with that when you can't even get the Stormont assembly up and running!
Absolute clownshoes, the lot of them.
Nothing on the clownshoes in waiting? How many frontbenchers have gone now, I’ve lost count?
Posted by: codcheeky, November 16, 2023, 10:33am; Reply: 918
Nothing on the clownshoes in waiting? How many frontbenchers have gone now, I’ve lost count?
Why Starmer made calling for a ceasefire a resignation Issue is a bit of a mystery, the vote was never going to influence Israel either way and ceasefire is the stance supported by most of the British public and a great majority of the Labour Party. He is trying to win over the Tory press who love a good war on assumption if you hate the current crop of useless failures in government who else do you cast your vote for?
Posted by: Maringer, November 16, 2023, 10:50am; Reply: 919
A show of weakness from Starmer - both political and moral - not a show of strength. He's a political pygmy in so many ways and is definitely the establishment's man-in-waiting.
Despite that, he's worlds ahead of anything the Tories can offer. Things will improve under a New New Labour government, when we eventually get one, but not nearly as much as they need to.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 16, 2023, 4:41pm; Reply: 920
I think Starmer has actually shown some mental strength for a change, he knows Israel are correct to finish Hamas once and for all, it would of been so easy to curtail to the left and fully support a ceasefire, so for the first time ever I will commend him on this, just maybe there is a bit of leadership inside him.
Posted by: chaos33, November 16, 2023, 5:03pm; Reply: 921
I think Starmer has actually shown some mental strength for a change, he knows Israel are correct to finish Hamas once and for all, it would of been so easy to curtail to the left and fully support a ceasefire, so for the first time ever I will commend him on this, just maybe there is a bit of leadership inside him.
Good post. All right thinking people are horrified at the loss of life on all sides and the ongoing slaughter of civilians is a living hell. Of course we all want it to stop. But let’s be real - a ceasefire can only really be deemed a real thing if it’s permanent and both sides would stick to it. That’s not going to happen. As long as there’s an Israel, Hamas will want to attack it, and as long as there’s a Hamas, Israel will want to eradicate it. I can’t see how this can be over because I can’t see how Hamas can be extinguished using this current strategy. It’s just the poor people of all racial denominations caught in the crossfire being killed and maimed - just inexpressibly tragic. Of course all our hearts say ‘ceasefire now’. Client media using this complex and nuanced scenario as some form of stick to beat labour with is just distasteful and unhelpful. In effect, Starmer’s stance is the same, and consistently so, as Sunak and many a world leader.
As usual, James has it right in this monologue:
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, November 16, 2023, 5:13pm; Reply: 922
I think Starmer has actually shown some mental strength for a change, he knows Israel are correct to finish Hamas once and for all, it would of been so easy to curtail to the left and fully support a ceasefire, so for the first time ever I will commend him on this, just maybe there is a bit of leadership inside him.
But it won’t finish Hamas. Hamas is not finished until Iran want it to be finished. There will always be plenty of Palestinian youth to sign up to almost certain death with the promise of paradise in the thereafter in return for Iranian cash and weapons.
I’ve listened and watched loads on this - the BBC 50 years of conflict on iPlayer, Yuval Harari and the Palestinian Fatah ambassador on the Rest is Politics podcast in particular are worth a watch/listen. The whole thing is intractable, way more so than NIreland ever was - religious fascists on one side using the lives of Palestinian people to achieve destabilisation of the region and create divisions in the west, and an abhorrent apartheid regime in an otherwise democratic country (with many sidelined secularists), on the other.
It is a very difficult position for Starmer - he has skin in the game after all. But he’s fallen into the same trap that Iran laid for Israel.
Posted by: Maringer, November 16, 2023, 9:44pm; Reply: 923
But it won’t finish Hamas. Hamas is not finished until Iran want it to be finished. There will always be plenty of Palestinian youth to sign up to almost certain death with the promise of paradise in the thereafter in return for Iranian cash and weapons.
I'd imagine that the thousands of Palestinian children being orphaned/losing siblings/parents/grandparents over the past few weeks probably won't be very well-disposed towards the state of Israel when they get older. Probably hundreds of thousands of others in surrounding states and elsewhere the Muslim world as well.
The only way anything can improve is some sort of a peace process which ends up with a two-state solution. That scumbag Netanyahu couldn't have done much more to ensure that the opportunities for movement towards such a solution was pretty much zero and the faceless leaders of Hamas will happily continue to terrorise for as long as they get the chance. Another lost generation.
I'm personally expecting another wave of Islamist terrorism around the world given the generally uncritical support of Israel during the assault on Gaza as well. No lessons are ever learned.
Posted by: chaos33, November 17, 2023, 5:36am; Reply: 924
Agree mate.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 17, 2023, 3:31pm; Reply: 925
But it won’t finish Hamas. Hamas is not finished until Iran want it to be finished. There will always be plenty of Palestinian youth to sign up to almost certain death with the promise of paradise in the thereafter in return for Iranian cash and weapons.
I’ve listened and watched loads on this - the BBC 50 years of conflict on iPlayer, Yuval Harari and the Palestinian Fatah ambassador on the Rest is Politics podcast in particular are worth a watch/listen. The whole thing is intractable, way more so than NIreland ever was - religious fascists on one side using the lives of Palestinian people to achieve destabilisation of the region and create divisions in the west, and an abhorrent apartheid regime in an otherwise democratic country (with many sidelined secularists), on the other.
It is a very difficult position for Starmer - he has skin in the game after all. But he’s fallen into the same trap that Iran laid for Israel.
Israel should have their troops permanently stationed there to keep their eyes on them or at least for a few generations, Much like the British army in Germany, once they reach the point of a functional, civil, trustworthy society, then they could slowly hand over.
Posted by: grimsby pete, November 17, 2023, 3:50pm; Reply: 926
What Hamas did on Oct 7th was discraceful ,
But
What Israel have done in the last month is convert thousand of young people to Hamas and they will want revenge for years to come.
So the idea of Israel getting rid of Hamas has backfired..
Posted by: Humbercod, November 17, 2023, 6:10pm; Reply: 927
What Israel have done in the last month is convert thousand of young people to Hamas and they will want revenge for years to come.
So the idea of Israel getting rid of Hamas has backfired..
“What Hamas did was disgraceful!” Really Pete? That’s your way to describe the biggest slaughter of innocent Jews since the holocaust! Over a thousand people killed in one day including women and kids, over 150 taken hostage and you follow it up with a
But!
That’s really insensitive Pete, I like you as a poster on here and you’re a good contributor, but I’m amazed how easily people can just brush aside what happened on the 7th of October!
Put yourself in their position and tell me honestly what you would expect them to do?
Posted by: grimsby pete, November 17, 2023, 7:32pm; Reply: 928
I am only saying what a lot of peole are and that is 2 wrongs dont make a right.
If Israel were just killing fighters not many people would be concerned but they are killing women and children many of them babies.
I could have said what Hamas did was flipping horrific which it was but i was not trying to make matters worse by inflaming the post.
Like all wars its the innocent that suffer the most.
Posted by: Sandford1981, November 17, 2023, 7:46pm; Reply: 929
This is such a complex situation so forgive me for over simplifying things but, key to this for me is in the innocent part! I don’t differentiate between the slaying of innocent people based on where they live or what god they worship. All of it appalls me truth be told and it doesn’t have to be this way.
It is yet another example about the futility of war and the total disregard for the value of human life. To the players involved, normal people there, people like us are expendable irrespective of their motivation for murdering men, women and children. It’s utterly senseless, depressing, unnecessary and inhumane! At the end of the day Violence begets Violence and in a world of ‘an eye for an eye’ we all end up sightless.
Posted by: DB, November 18, 2023, 5:39am; Reply: 930
I once met a Hindu extremist. To cut to the chase he told me that if I ate meat I would die, to which I pointed out that in the Holy Bible, Old Testament, people offered burnt cattle as a sacrifice. I suggested to him that although I did not agree with him I respected his views and opinions and that he did the same to me. He said he could not do that so I told him that there was no point in us talking any further and left.
I do not want to get into a discussion about Christianity, but post this to show the problem of trying to discuss matters with extreme people who only accept their way and no other.
Posted by: Rick12, November 18, 2023, 6:00am; Reply: 931
This is such a complex situation so forgive me for over simplifying things but, key to this for me is in the innocent part! I don’t differentiate between the slaying of innocent people based on where they live or what god they worship. All of it appalls me truth be told and it doesn’t have to be this way.
Religion in some ways is like politics .Its a group thing that some people can heavily ascribe to as way of forging their identity(touched on this on my Sociological and Psychological studies). My way is better than yours and people want to dominate be it through peace or violence (all have some form of weakness ) .
Posted by: grimsby pete, November 19, 2023, 12:07am; Reply: 932
I don't like to say this DB (Dave ) but if you don't eat meat you are still going to die.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, November 19, 2023, 5:27pm; Reply: 933
I am only saying what a lot of peole are and that is 2 wrongs dont make a right.
If Israel were just killing fighters not many people would be concerned but they are killing women and children many of them babies.
I could have said what Hamas did was flipping horrific which it was but i was not trying to make matters worse by inflaming the post.
Like all wars its the innocent that suffer the most.
The RAF and USAF killed 25k in a couple of days in the 1945 Dresden raids, I don't expect there were too many protests at the time and and there would have been a perception of revenge from Londoners for the blitz less than 5 years previous, but the raids were heavily criticised later as slaughtering innocents when the war was effectively won. Context is everything though; V2s were still landing in Britain and behind the scenes we now know the Allies were in a race to develop the first nuke and didn't know for certain where the Nazis were up to with it, what's more the knowledge of Holocaust was out. Anything that had a chance of shortening the war, even by a few days was on table.
In 67 and Yom Kippur in 73 Israel faced an existential threat from up 4 Arab nations on its borders, this still seems to be in the Israeli national psyche and is exploited by Iran and Hamas to engender excessive responses and lots of dead innocents in the news around the world - which is what Iran and Hamas want. They don't care about dead Palestinian innocents. 7th October was effectively a mass suicide attack on behalf of the Palestinians. There is no possibility of an existential threat to Israel from Hamas and Hezbollah, no matter how much they talk about it. Only Iran can pose that and only Iran can withdraw it.
A different regime in Israel may have reacted differently; do nothing immediately, get sympathy round the world including other Arab nations. Decapitate Hamas with assassinations, like the Israeli response to Munich 72. Make Iranian officials feel nervous about meeting Hamas in places like Beirut, where they met a few days before the attack. The die is cast now though.
Posted by: Maringer, November 20, 2023, 12:00pm; Reply: 934
The Israelis are doubling-down now, though. Bombing UNRWA schools overnight and killing more ever-more women and children.
Look at interviews with one or two of the IDF soldiers when the attacks on Gaza began - they had bloodlust. Understandable that they are going to be upset with the murders by Hamas and also the thought of the hostages taken and, cheered on by some of the very right-wing politicians in government, they've obviously decided to go though all of Gaza and bomb anything they decide they need to. Collateral damage isn't something they care about and it's a catastrophe both for the Palestinians and the chance of peace.
It's an ongoing tragedy which has no end in sight. If there aren't war crime tribunals at some point in the future, I'll be amazed. Probably a decade or more down the line, however.
Posted by: ginnywings, November 20, 2023, 5:38pm; Reply: 935
Tax cuts in the offing?
Anyone would think there is an election on the horizon.
Posted by: chaos33, November 20, 2023, 5:44pm; Reply: 936
Well, I’m watching the optics very carefully. We’re still in a cost of living crisis, with a crumbling public service infrastructure, ongoing strikes and the NHS in crisis, Still If Hunt makes cuts to corporation tax - we already have one of lowest rates in Europe - and to inheritance tax - that is tax cuts for the wealthy and f**ck all for Britain’s hard working ordinary families. Now, strategically, this would surely be utterly foolish, but it’s exactly in keeping with all of the other appalling things this government has done, and their client media friends at the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph, GB News, Talk TV etc will gaslight the rest of us and cheer it through.
It’s worth remembering that, in essence, and when crystallised- the Conservative party exist to collect public money and redistribute it to private parties. Always have, always will. Usually cronies, donors, grifters and faudsters. They may take the view that they’ve got a year left before being smashed out of the park - might as well set fire to what little they haven’t yet torched, and shift as much of that national treasury into private hands as possible and to hell with it.
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, November 20, 2023, 6:23pm; Reply: 937
Well, I’m watching the optics very carefully. We’re still in a cost of living crisis, with a crumbling public service infrastructure, ongoing strikes and the NHS in crisis, Still If Hunt makes cuts to corporation tax - we already have one of lowest rates in Europe - and to inheritance tax - that is tax cuts for the wealthy and f**ck all for Britain’s hard working ordinary families. Now, strategically, this would surely be utterly foolish, but it’s exactly in keeping with all of the other appalling things this government has done, and their client media friends at the Mail, Express, Sun, Telegraph, GB News, Talk TV etc will gaslight the rest of us and cheer it through.
It’s worth remembering that, in essence, and when crystallised- the Conservative party exist to collect public money and redistribute it to private parties. Always have, always will. Usually cronies, donors, grifters and faudsters. They may take the view that they’ve got a year left before being smashed out of the park - might as well set fire to what little they haven’t yet torched, and shift as much of that national treasury into private hands as possible and to hell with it.
A cut to IHT when social care in this country has completely disintegrated, would be the ultimate final feck you p;ss take.
It is impossible to fix the NHS without fixing social care. The Inheritance Tax tax net should go up not down to help pay for it. The old dear in a nursing home in Cleethorpes is taken for everything but the last £25k to pass on to the family, whilst multi-millionaires pass on huge pension pots, accumulated with income tax relief, to the family without paying a single bean in tax.
Posted by: Town Monkey, November 21, 2023, 8:22pm; Reply: 938
Cutting IHT would be expensive and completely regressive. The argument I’ve seen put forward most is that it’s people’s wealth that’s already been taxed. To my mind, that’s largely nonsense. Most of the wealth likely to be caught by IHT is unearned asset inflation such as on real property and shares. These aren’t taxed unless the gains are crystallised. Why should the heirs not bear some of the tax burden when they inherit? Very few people were historically caught by this but more people are being sucked in now due to rampant house price growth in particular. Good! I’d love to leave a wedge for the kids but that doesn’t mean they should avoid their responsibility to society alongside that.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 22, 2023, 9:54pm; Reply: 939
Lot of doom and gloom on here as per usual. Whenever I have a bad day I just come on here and read the posts 😃
There have been study’s done over the years that proclaim conservatives are much happier than liberals, well I reckon it’s conclusive if this forum is anything to go by.
Anyway to cheer you all up I’ve just seen some brilliant amazing news, best news of the year drum roll ………..
Geert wilders is on course to win the Dutch election 🙌 😃🙌 The tide is finally turning 💪
Posted by: ginnywings, November 23, 2023, 12:53am; Reply: 940
Conservatives are probably happier because they don't give a sh1t about anyone but themselves. Injustice in the world doesn't resonate with them.
As for the Dutch geezer; he's just another far right bullsh1tter, gaslighting his nation into believing that all their ills are the fault of immigrants.
The rise of the right all over the world will lead to conflict. It always does.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 23, 2023, 12:29pm; Reply: 941
Conservatives are probably happier because they don't give a sh1t about anyone but themselves. Injustice in the world doesn't resonate with them.
As for the Dutch geezer; he's just another far right bullsh1tter, gaslighting his nation into believing that all their ills are the fault of immigrants.
The rise of the right all over the world will lead to conflict. It always does.
I remember the reports from the left wing media when Trump won the 2016 …. Trump will cause WW3! Fast forward to today with the Democrats running America and the United States of Europe in such mess and I would of thought the moderate liberals would at least understand why the voters are turning, Netherlands, France, Spain, Italy the people have had enough!
Posted by: ginnywings, November 23, 2023, 7:03pm; Reply: 942
And why have all these far right knob jockeys got stupid fooking hair?
Johnson, Trump, Wilders and that new Argy bloke all have crazy hair. Maybe they were all bullied as kids and want retribution.
Posted by: Humbercod, November 23, 2023, 7:58pm; Reply: 943
And why have all these far right knob jockeys got stupid fooking hair?
Johnson, Trump, Wilders and that new Argy bloke all have crazy hair. Maybe they were all bullied as kids and want retribution.
I hope Ireland has got one!
Posted by: ginnywings, November 24, 2023, 5:27pm; Reply: 944
So, after 13 years of Tory Government, the average household will be £1900 a year worse off by the end of the current parliament, yet somehow the people at the top of the pyramid have never been better off, with record numbers of millionaires and billionaires.
Who would have thought the Tories would have been so predictable?
Posted by: Limerick Mariner, November 25, 2023, 12:18am; Reply: 945
And why have all these far right knob jockeys got stupid fooking hair?
Johnson, Trump, Wilders and that new Argy bloke all have crazy hair. Maybe they were all bullied as kids and want retribution.
Wilders is a bit different from the run of the mill far-righter - pro gay marriage, strong on womens rights and equality and pro abortion - he says he is intolerant of the intolerance. I’m somewhat troubled by this, as I would agree with all of that. Thankfully, I can disagree with him on climate change and the EU.
Posted by: ginnywings, November 30, 2023, 7:02pm; Reply: 946
The covid inquiries have left me speechless at times, but the testimony of Matt Hancock has taken it to a new low. What an utter lying member this man is. And he's a victim himself apparently.
Gobsmacking!
Corporate murder charges should be brought against these illegitimates, but I fear they will walk away with a slap on the wrist, not to mention a healthy bank balance in his case.
Posted by: Sandford1981, November 30, 2023, 7:39pm; Reply: 947
The covid inquiries have left me speechless at times, but the testimony of Matt Hancock has taken it to a new low. What an utter lying member this man is. And he's a victim himself apparently.
Gobsmacking!
Corporate murder charges should be brought against these illegitimates, but I fear they will walk away with a slap on the wrist, not to mention a healthy bank balance in his case.
I have just been speaking to my better half about this. You have that odious illegitimate sat there lying with blood on his hands, not only does he not seem genuinely unrepentant but he has the bare faced cheek to play a victim.
Then the juxtaposition of her coming home from uni and telling me that one of her friends has basically got PTSD from her work on the COVID ward because of what she had to endure up there.
Suffering from crippling mental health issues and in absolute bits because she doesn’t want to quit because she’ll see it as failure. It’s looking highly likely she’s not going to be able to complete her midwife training unless something drastic and unlikely happens.
Posted by: chaos33, December 1, 2023, 8:03am; Reply: 948
The COVID inquiry is producing such a high volume of testimony so starkly and disturbingly grave, and utterly shameful. Evidence that is hard to fully priocess as each appalling revelation is quickly surpassed by the next and the next and the next. Matt Hancock is an archetype - a classic example of the calibre of the modern Tory embroiled in shame, misconduct, immorality, incompetency - make a pathetic attempt to wriggle your way out with lies and gaslighting, and then default to bogus victimhood. Appalling. James Cleverley is your latest example of the above, after calling Stockton a sh1t hole. It leaves your average caring and decent citizen left wondering in vain desperation….’when will these ghouls finally be gone’?!
Posted by: Sandford1981, December 1, 2023, 8:24am; Reply: 949
The COVID inquiry is producing such a high volume of testimony so starkly and disturbingly grave, and utterly shameful. Evidence that is hard to fully priocess as each appalling revelation is quickly surpassed by the next and the next and the next. Matt Hancock is an archetype - a classic example of the calibre of the modern Tory embroiled in shame, misconduct, immorality, incompetency - make a pathetic attempt to wriggle your way out with lies and gaslighting, and then default to bogus victimhood. Appalling. James Cleverley is your latest example of the above, after calling Stockton a sh1t hole. It leaves your average caring and decent citizen left wondering in vain desperation….’when will these ghouls finally be gone’?!
There’s no justice is there! The people who were responsible for the mess getting off Scott free and the people who valiantly battled against it paying for it with their health. Then you have the bereaved having to listen how their loved ones died and some needlessly so due to terrible decision making . It’s heartbreaking and shameful!
Posted by: DB, December 1, 2023, 10:33am; Reply: 950
There's Lies Then White Lies And the worst........Tory Lies
Posted by: golfer, December 1, 2023, 3:03pm; Reply: 951
The covid inquiries have left me speechless at times, but the testimony of Matt Hancock has taken it to a new low. What an utter lying member this man is. And he's a victim himself apparently.
Gobsmacking!
Corporate murder charges should be brought against these illegitimates, but I fear they will walk away with a slap on the wrist, not to mention a healthy bank balance in his case.
Would one sooner work from home or have their hands on some birds arrse in the office ?
Posted by: GollyGTFC, March 7, 2024, 10:23am; Reply: 952
What a typical Tory budget yesterday.
Those on national minimum wage will pay 1.9% more of their gross income in PAYE & NI from April than at the start of this Parliament (2019/20 tax year). 11.29% in 2019 & 13.2% from April.
Those on the national median income on the other hand have gone from 20.36% of their gross income going to PAYE & NI contributions in 2019/20 to 18.35% from April this year.
I can’t wait until these scumbags are gone.
Posted by: ska face, March 7, 2024, 10:26am; Reply: 953
Labour have spent the last two days telling everyone the country’s credit card is maxed out, there is no magic money tree and their plan to save the economy is to get 700,000 people miraculously cured of whatever long-term illness they’re suffering and into work.
Looks like the Greens are the only ones with any actual vision for the country.
Posted by: DB, March 7, 2024, 10:54am; Reply: 954
Nothing in the budget for pensioners.
Posted by: Maringer, March 7, 2024, 12:06pm; Reply: 955
Two shockingly bad interviews on BBC Breakfast this morning.
Firstly, Reeves repeated the stupid mantra that we'll somehow grow the economy to pay for everything whilst paying off the national debt through restraint of expenditure. How the intercourse is that going to work?
The credit card guff is utterly shocking to hear coming out of the mouth of any politician, let alone a Labour shadow chancellor. When you or I need to pay off our credit card bill, we can't create the money to do so. Oh, and much of the 'national debt' is actually bonds which people want to buy to keep their savings safe. Also let's not forget the money created by QE and then given to the banks to keep them afloat after they excrement the bed and knackered the economy during the great financial crisis. This is money which the UK government created to give to the banks and... drumroll... we're now paying them flipping interest on it. Unbelievable.
Reeves is very keen to mention her work as an economist at the Bank of England, but doesn't seem to mention that, after leaving the BoE, she became senior economist at HBOS, not too long before it had to be nationalised because of shambolic management and lending. Hmmm. I wonder why she doesn't talk about that gig so much? When at the BoE she was also seconded to the IMF, 'helping' poor countries to restructure their debts. Given the inane nonsense she apparently believes about our economy, my guess is that she wasn't just flipping us over, she also copulated over those countries as well. Any politician talking about a "Maxed out credit card", shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the Treasury.
However, bad though Reeves' interview was, it paled into comparison with Hunt's. He looked like a sweaty rabbit in the headlights as he somewhat incautiously admitted that he didn't really realise that his budget would make lower-paid workers poorer. Obviously, the Tories know that lower earners aren't likely to vote for them, hence such a cynical budget which effectively takes money out of their pockets to give to those earning around the median salary who might well buy the bribe after getting £400 more per year. Many simply wouldn't care that those lower-paid earners are being copulated over of course.
And, even with that, most will be worse off as the tax allowances are frozen yet again whilst inflation remains relatively high.
So, the two main parties are (and will be) utterly inept when it comes to running the economy. When Labour inevitably get into power, things will only continue to get worse, albeit at a slower rate. That's unless they've been bullshitting and actually intend to invest in the economy to, you know, improve things and stop public services falling apart? Nah - Reeves wouldn't allow that.
LibDems are so whacky they aren't really worth mentioning at present.
The Greens are a bit green in many areas, but have by far the best economic plans. Unfortunately, due to our pathetic first past the post electoral system, it will be a wasted vote in most areas. A bit of democracy would be nice, wouldn't it?
Rant over.
Posted by: codcheeky, March 7, 2024, 2:44pm; Reply: 956
The Spycops scandal was one of the main things that completely changed my world view. Ignoring all the absolutely heinous individual acts, the state-sanctioned rapes, the stealing dead children’s identities, etc., I just couldn’t understand why so much police time was spent infiltrating relatively decent groups of generally well-meaning people.
