No harm in having a Match Thread  (hide1)

Here is this evening's starting XI: Battersby, Idehen, Pollock, Öhman, Preston, Rose, Morton, Williams, Starbuck, Scannell, Gibson.

Subs: Russell, Mohsni, Hope, Spokes, Gomis, Jackson Jr, Touray Sisay.

Looks like a 3-5-2 with starbuck and Preston as wingbacks. Scannell and Gibson up front??

Oohh, you’ve got me so excited about tonight’s game, just cannot wait for the action to start, the current Mrs Gaffer is having to get the tranquillisers out as I’m bouncing round the room.

I suspect there will be more people watching this than they'd like to admit to. Personally I'm wanting to see how Battersby gets on, hope he plays a blinder to put some pressure on Macca.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I suspect there will be more people watching this than they'd like to admit to. Personally I'm wanting to see how Battersby gets on, hope he plays a blinder to put some pressure on Macca.

Decided to watch it in the end seeing as we haven't got a game Saturday.

Like most, I’m no fan of the competition, however I think we need to start winning games so why not start now?

Was hoping Jackson and Mohsni would start Its a non game anyway

I’ll give it a watch, another £8.40 or whatever for the GTFC kitty  :)

Calm down soft lad.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I suspect there will be more people watching this than they'd like to admit to. Personally I'm wanting to see how Battersby gets on, hope he plays a blinder to put some pressure on Macca.

Yes .I haven't got  a problem with this competition as it gives much needed competitive game time to fringe players.

Got a free code from papa Johns competition so im watching

Quoted from Hagrid

Got a free code from papa Johns competition so im watching

When they gave you the code, did you think in your head "I'll have a pizza that?".

Okay, that was cheesy 😂

Decent start by Town.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Decent start by Town.

You wouldn’t think so, listening to JT!

1-0 Come on Town

Get in...Pollock header

Quoted from promotion plaice

Get in...Pollock header

I’m assuming from a corner then ?

decent performance so far.  Good delivery into the box from williams, good goal.

Quoted from mariner tommy

I’m assuming from a corner then ?

Yep - https://streamable.com/qsyw6y

Barrett stand getting a mention

Quoted from mariner tommy

I’m assuming from a corner then ?

Yes.....best game I've seen in ages   :P   ;D

Gibson nearly makes it two.

Playing well, JT negative again.....

Hope Pollock gets another.
Leicester already hot to trot and might up their bid.

Hope Gibson gets one, some good chances tonight, putting in a shift.

Enjoying this.
Look well going forward.
Third time I've seen Starbucks and like the look of him again

Rose is the best signing by Miles.

Quoted from BenBB

Yep - https://streamable.com/qsyw6y

Excellent, thanks.

Scannell off for Jackson Jnr

Oh dear...Scannell coming off

Not sure if an Injury or Ollie not happy with him

We got a bit lucky there.

Quoted from Hagrid

Not sure if an Injury or Ollie not happy with him

In a way I hope it's an injury because if not it looked a distinct case of cba tonight!

Battersby has a hell of a kick on him!

HT....Town 1-0 Leicester U21

Enjoyed that, good stuff by Town.

Good half that

What's impressed me is even though it's a huge rotation of players we are still playing the same way....be interesting to see how Jackson and Gibson play together, Williams is definitely is better at dead balls than Bennett... Pollock, what more can you say.  

Playing good football but mixing it up a bit as well, Gibson is finding loads of space, Morton looking decent now hes playing at his level, Starbuck quite tricky Boomer not turned up and back 3 making it look easy,

Loads of positives, Scannell a big negative. It would appear that we have another ‘problem’ player.

Scunny having another mare according to the half-time commentary.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Loads of positives, Scannell a big negative. It would appear that we have another ‘problem’ player.

It's been said before, he's renown for having a bad attitude yet bags of ability, maybe Holloway thought he could get the best out of him, but he's appearing to be a bit of a lost cause I'm afraid..

Hope to see Bilel and Sissay later on tonight

Pollock is a goal machine

What was up with Scannell

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

It's been said before, he's renown for having a bad attitude yet bags of ability, maybe Holloway thought he could get the best out of him, but he's appearing to be a bit of a lost cause I'm afraid..

It doesn't seem good, but you have no idea what happened. Might be best to wait for facts before making a judgement. Maybe he went in to the treatment table...

Looks like Pollock should've made it two there.

Quoted from pen penfras

It doesn't seem good, but you have no idea what happened. Might be best to wait for facts before making a judgement. Maybe he went in to the treatment table...

Waiting for facts? That's a novel approach on here!

Decent save by Battersby, that'll boost his confidence.

Whoops 1-1

Oh heck 1-1

Bloke who put it on a plate for the goalscorer looked off from the initial header to me

offside

I agree with Tondeur, looked offside.

Should have been offside imo

Double whoops 1-2

Sake. 1-2

Another shambles 1-2

Boooo off side

blast,  saw the gap from here

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

blast,  saw the gap from here

Mind the gap   :)

Come on Town.

Nice finish even if it was offside.

Slades out

Game over 1-3

3-1 Leicester

Game of two halves   :-/

Been a dreadful second half

We are what we are

Good to see the players siding with the fans and refusing to take part in this devisive competition   ;)

I’m continuing my boycott even on iFollow but reading the twitter feed it sounds like Battersby having a good game (although did say beaten at near post for the free kick)
Anyone watching want to give their judgement?

I'm so proud of the lads. Played really well just lacking match fitness.  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Typical Town really. Don't score enough when on top.
Concede too easily when the opposition get on top

Not ruthless enough in either box.

Still feel we’ve been hard done by with that 1st goal from them. But as Ginny said, dont take your chances this is what happens

Thank god this isn't our league back line!....

Quoted from ginnywings

Typical Town really. Don't score enough when on top.
Concede too easily when the opposition get on top

Not ruthless enough in either box.

Spot on

Bit cold for ice-cream, no pizzas tonight.

Quoted from Henryscat

I’m continuing my boycott even on iFollow but reading the twitter feed it sounds like Battersby having a good game (although did say beaten at near post for the free kick)
Anyone watching want to give their judgement?

He's done ok. Distribution better than macca, but don't think that free kick goes in against macca. I thought he's put a couple of saves back into dangerous positions that maybe could have been pushed away.

And so another few thousand pounds slips through our fingers.......

JT saying some players not good enough

Is that jackson Jr a signed on player??

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

JT saying some players not good enough

Unlike JT to be undiplomatic.

I don't often single out players but Morton is useless, never a league player as long as I Fart out my backside....

Have we ever won a tie in the Chicken Tray trophy or whatever it's called this season?

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

JT saying some players not good enough

Don't start Boris off again   ;D

At least we are consistant who ever we put in the team and who we play , even if is against under 21`s

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

JT saying some players not good enough

Morton, Jackson, Gibson and Gomis come to mind

Look on the bright side
We will have even more time to rest if we are out of the pizza cup

Ollie should have played his strongest team with us having a chance of getting some cash in and going through, Never mind the thoughts over this comp  we need to win something and get some cash in no matter how small the amount

Quoted from TAGG

Morton, Jackson, Gibson and Gomis come to mind

At least Gibson has scored a few goals.

Quoted from TAGG

Morton, Jackson, Gibson and Gomis come to mind

Morton has been woeful tonight. Literally not done a thing. jackson Jr looks very naive, Gibson meh, Gomis has been on 60 minutes and he’s touched it 7 times, Scannel looks uninterested, Without edwards we look absolutely shite. And its worrying

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

JT saying some players not good enough

Just like the commentator but we’ve had to stick his platitudes for years.

Quoted from denni266

Ollie should have played his strongest team with us having a chance of getting some cash in and going through, Never mind the thoughts over this comp  we need to win something and get some cash in no matter how small the amount

I’d love to know what his strongest team is. I’m not sure he knows either. From what I’ve seen, there’s an awful lot of mediocrity.

We have a big squad, but looking at this showing I'm concerned about the quality ....just hope Holloway can sort something out before next Tuesday...still a striker short, again!..

Quoted from TAGG

Morton, Jackson, Gibson and Gomis come to mind

Bit harsh on Jackson He's hardly had a chance to show anything or to improve yet. Can't argue with the other three

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

JT saying some players not good enough

Wouldn’t pay to much notice to JT. Love the guy but it’s like he’s always looking for a negative and now you can actually watch the game with the commentary it does show how much he misses/calls wrong.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

We have a big squad, but looking at this showing I'm concerned about the quality ....just hope Holloway can sort something out before next Tuesday...still a striker short, again!..

Can't see anything but a Hull win unfortunately no matter who they put out   :-/

Decent 1st half, they bring on a lad with a bit of strength up top, overload the flanks which for some reason our players cant see or adapt to. Offside equaliser and thats it game over.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Can't see anything but a Hull win unfortunately no matter who they put out   :-/

On that thought we'll get ars£es kicked from one side of the Humber to the other .... only people I'd play again would be Williams, Rose and Pollock, the rest are truly out of their depth...even Ohman struggled...sooner we drop out his tin pot cup the better, need to concentrate on the league now..

Last 6 matches, only 1 goal from open play. A bit of a worry.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

On that thought we'll get ars£es kicked from one side of the Humber to the other .... only people I'd play again would be Williams, Rose and Pollock, the rest are truly out of their depth...even Ohman struggled...sooner we drop out his tin pot cup the better, need to concentrate on the league now..

Not sure your strategy of playing only 3 playing against a team of 11 would be effective. In that scenario, I can only see us being continually overrun all over the pitch, particular as one of those 3 would inevitably have to guard the goalmouth somewhat, leaving only 2 'outfield' player against 10. Not sure how much thought you've put into this but just can't see it working at all.

The Holloway experiment isn’t working. If the next few games go a similar way, we need to consider whether we need to make a change.

To be fair to tondeur he does have to sit and watch us every week.

Quoted from Stockport Mariner

Last 6 matches, only 1 goal from open play. A bit of a worry.

Clutching at straws to boost my morale but Scunny have just gone down to their 7th successive defeat.

Humberside Football Forum on now , good listen, Peter Swann on at the moment.

Quoted from Ipswin

Bit harsh on Jackson He's hardly had a chance to show anything or to improve yet. Can't argue with the other three

Thought JT was very unfair towards Jackson. He's not had the same chances as Gibson and Morton. Of course he looked rusty in parts but he is not a target man nor a tackler. Not his fault that Gibson's levels dropped in the second half or Ludvig gives yet another dangerous free kick away. Again too many throws in the attacking half end up back with our keeper. Players like Jackson feed off a high tempo game where balls are fed through the lines. JT failed to see Rose fading or Preston's lack of impact. Lazy commentary.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

Not sure your strategy of playing only 3 playing against a team of 11 would be effective. In that scenario, I can only see us being continually overrun all over the pitch, particular as one of those 3 would inevitably have to guard the goalmouth somewhat, leaving only 2 'outfield' player against 10. Not sure how much thought you've put into this but just can't see it working at all.

Well, the other 7 outfield players were ineffectual so wouldn't be missed!.🤔🤔

Seems to someone who hasnt watched a single game that we are very rapidly whittling down to just a few players who can be relied upon
Mckeown (despite recent errors),
hendrie, pollock,waterfall, preston (theres none else)
Rose , clifton, Edwards, williams
Windsor +  gibson/hanson/green

Taylor, Bennett,ludwig, hewitt and wright for the bench

The rest dont seem to have made any impression at all. Have I missed anyone?

Quoted from davmariner

The Holloway experiment isn’t working. If the next few games go a similar way, we need to consider whether we need to make a change.

Oh dear God here we go again!

That gomis looked like he’d just been plucked out from the imp for a kick about !!! Everytime I’ve seen him he’s done absolutely nothing I never/hate singling out players but ffs come on what’s going on upfront ?

Quoted from forza ivano

Seems to someone who hasnt watched a single game that we are very rapidly whittling down to just a few players who can be relied upon
Mckeown (despite recent errors),
hendrie, pollock,waterfall, preston
Rose , clifton, Edwards, williams
Windsor +  gibson/hanson/green

Taylor, Bennett,ludwig and wright for the bench

The rest dont seem to have made any impression at all. Have I missed anyone?

Possibly Hewitt and Idehen?

Please please a cry for help after 20 years of watching this dross seriously thinking of watching Boston please some one come up with good reasons why I Shouldn't.

Quoted from Croxton

Thought JT was very unfair towards Jackson. He's not had the same chances as Gibson and Morton. Of course he looked rusty in parts but he is not a target man nor a tackler. Not his fault that Gibson's levels dropped in the second half or Ludvig gives yet another dangerous free kick away. Again too many throws in the attacking half end up back with our keeper. Players like Jackson feed off a high tempo game where balls are fed through the lines. JT failed to see Rose fading or Preston's lack of impact. Lazy commentary.

Oh come on the bloke has no touch, no positional sense or anything else for that. If you can show me where he has any of these I'm willing to say I'm wrong.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Please please a cry for help after 20 years of watching this dross seriously thinking of watching Boston please some one come up with good reasons why I Shouldn't.

Fatty was once their manager
They are not Grimsby Town
You do not want to be cast out in the barren hell of turnip land for the rest of your life
You might be able to buy tablets to help.

In the first half our under 23's were better than theirs. Our midfield including Morton were backing the forwards up and surprisingly we looked a lot better than them. Whatever the half time team talk was it fcked us up because straight away  the midfield dropped deeper and allowed them to be permanently on the attack and getting more and more confident. Our substitutions always seem to make us weaker - only one man to blame for that.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Please please a cry for help after 20 years of watching this dross seriously thinking of watching Boston please some one come up with good reasons why I Shouldn't.

Off you go then.

I would never consider watching any other team, regardless.

Not saying I am happy with the current performances and results, they would have been a time, when I would let a town result upset me, mellowed with age.

But town through and through.

Hoping for an up turn in results.

UTMM

I thought we were all boycotting this tin pot / pizza box competition?

Quoted from davmariner

The Holloway experiment isn’t working. If the next few games go a similar way, we need to consider whether we need to make a change.

Seriously? What the hell is the point of getting rid of a guy who has been a little over 9 months, who initially had the total support of fans but saw the season curtailed, this season has, I agree, seen him bring in probably too many players, some of them clearly not good enough and others not fit enough.

In reality we don’t know how much recruitment this year has been affected by financial problems but signing 7 loanees suggests we adopted a very cautious approach in case of another shut down. I like many others hate to write a season off but we have a Manager who wants to introduce a particular style of play and it’s clearly not going, as yet, to plan, however, it’s a style that most fans want to see and I believe we have to stick with it and trust it will bring success further down the line.

In the end the only successful football is winning football so that has to be the aim and whilst this is a frustrating period let’s not jump on the sacking bandwagon yet again. After all if these players are that bad who will be able to get a better tune out of them. Have to finish with the fact that everyone slags off this comp and state they have no interest in it and then we get beat and it’s all woe and we should field our strongest team.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Seriously? What the hell is the point of getting rid of a guy who has been a little over 9 months, who initially had the total support of fans but saw the season curtailed, this season has, I agree, seen him bring in probably too many players, some of them clearly not good enough and others not fit enough.

In reality we don’t know how much recruitment this year has been affected by financial problems but signing 7 loanees suggests we adopted a very cautious approach in case of another shut down. I like many others hate to write a season off but we have a Manager who wants to introduce a particular style of play and it’s clearly not going, as yet, to plan, however, it’s a style that most fans want to see and I believe we have to stick with it and trust it will bring success further down the line.

In the end the only successful football is winning football so that has to be the aim and whilst this is a frustrating period let’s not jump on the sacking bandwagon yet again. After all if these players are that bad who will be able to get a better tune out of them. Have to finish with the fact that everyone slags off this comp and state they have no interest in it and then we get beat and it’s all woe and we should field our strongest team.

Regarding the competition, I think we would all agree that we need to start seeing some more positive results. Regards the manager, he does often come across as an ‘I’m right’ sort of bloke so he’s inviting pressure on himself. I hope he is right but in respect of his phone burning his ears off, some of them must have dialled the wrong number.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Humberside Football Forum on now , good listen, Peter Swann on at the moment.

Scunny fans having a right go tonight.

Makes our Boris sound like Mary Poppins   ;D

Ollie possibly coming up.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

Off you go then.

I would never consider watching any other team, regardless.

Not saying I am happy with the current performances and results, they would have been a time, when I would let a town result upset me, mellowed with age.

But town through and through.

Hoping for an up turn in results.

UTMM

I have been a fan for 58 years ,last 20 years absolute trial watching town,every home match 100ile round trip missed 4 matches in 40 years,how long do you give with no signs of improvement.

Quoted from friskneymariner

I have been a fan for 58 years ,last 20 years absolute trial watching town,every home match 100ile round trip missed 4 matches in 40 years,how long do you give with no signs of improvement.

To be fair, if you’ve put up with the last 20 years, you want certifying along with the rest of us.

JT started on Ohman after 55 seconds, then he never mentioned any of the good play, yet pounced on every mistake. Had to turn the commentary off during the first half. We won’t mention the 2nd half performance!

Quoted from forza ivano

Seems to someone who hasnt watched a single game that we are very rapidly whittling down to just a few players who can be relied upon
Mckeown (despite recent errors),
hendrie, pollock,waterfall, preston (theres none else)
Rose , clifton, Edwards, williams
Windsor +  gibson/hanson/green

Taylor, Bennett,ludwig, hewitt and wright for the bench

The rest dont seem to have made any impression at all. Have I missed anyone?

Off that list i would question ;

Preston has gone right off the boil
Pollock / Waterfall our best pairing but do give the opposition chances
Rose definately , Edwards yes , Clifton and Williams best of bad lot not necessarily good enough
Windsor looks ok, Hanson now a write off for me , Green only experienced striker left but wastes too much, Gibson just dont think he has the quality or calmness
Bennett can pass a ball but not seen much else,  Ludwig is just a free kick conceder , Wright hopefully will recover to his previous fitness/form,

All in all if tonights team/squad is what is pushing the first team then no wonder the first team are not looking over their shoulder too much.

Quoted from Stockport Mariner

Last 6 matches, only 1 goal from open play. A bit of a worry.

Stop looking for negatives, we are playing wonderful football 🙄

Ollie interview - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p08y1jp0

Quoted from Croxton

Thought JT was very unfair towards Jackson. He's not had the same chances as Gibson and Morton. Of course he looked rusty in parts but he is not a target man nor a tackler. Not his fault that Gibson's levels dropped in the second half or Ludvig gives yet another dangerous free kick away. Again too many throws in the attacking half end up back with our keeper. Players like Jackson feed off a high tempo game where balls are fed through the lines. JT failed to see Rose fading or Preston's lack of impact. Lazy commentary.

Thanks Croxton. Ive heard that before from John Tondeur . Sometimes if he has it in for players can give a negative bias which doesn't paint the true picture. I dont think hes out and out  bad as a commentator  but certainly could improve in some areas.

Hope Ian Holloway can give Jackson more chances to prove himself.

Quoted from forza ivano

Seems to someone who hasnt watched a single game that we are very rapidly whittling down to just a few players who can be relied upon
Mckeown (despite recent errors),
hendrie, pollock,waterfall, preston (theres none else)
Rose , clifton, Edwards, williams
Windsor +  gibson/hanson/green

Taylor, Bennett,ludwig, hewitt and wright for the bench

The rest dont seem to have made any impression at all. Have I missed anyone?

Tilley?

Quoted from moosey_club

Off that list i would question ;

Preston has gone right off the boil
Pollock / Waterfall our best pairing but do give the opposition chances
Rose definately , Edwards yes , Clifton and Williams best of bad lot not necessarily good enough
Windsor looks ok, Hanson now a write off for me , Green only experienced striker left but wastes too much, Gibson just dont think he has the quality or calmness
Bennett can pass a ball but not seen much else,  Ludwig is just a free kick conceder , Wright hopefully will recover to his previous fitness/form,

All in all if tonights team/squad is what is pushing the first team then no wonder the first team are not looking over their shoulder too much.

But you wouldn't disagree that they are the best matchday squad we could put out??

Ps as just mentioned I forgot Tilley.

Quoted from forza ivano

But you wouldn't disagree that they are the best matchday squad we could put out??

Ps as just mentioned I forgot Tilley.

You did an edit on Hewitt too 🤨

Tweak the nose of the devil and put an ice cube down the vest of terror          love it

Quoted from TAGG

Oh come on the bloke has no touch, no positional sense or anything else for that. If you can show me where he has any of these I'm willing to say I'm wrong.

He hardly got a ball to feet or in space apart from when he snatched at the chance in the first half instead of knocking it back across. Second half was a mess generally. The problems were all behind him and any shape we had disappeared. Unfair to put him alongside others who have had far more opportunities. Taylor had some mixed games before settling down. Give the bloke a chance. Oh, and don't forget to email ifollow by Monday.

Anyone surprised our team of young lads got turned over by a prem teams young lads??

Even though I have a ST I haven't watched town this season as the kneeling boils my pixx. But do look at the team selection and read stuff on here. From what I see tonight it was a case of their young uns being better than ours as we started with at least 7 under 23s and Brought 2 on. So in reality did we really expect our young team to be as good as players who train with Premier league coaches and are considered to be possible future senior team players. Not talking about the season overall just this 1 game where I think some might be being a bit harsh on players who are never going to compete with Leicester youngsters over 90 minutes

First 30 minutes we looked really good.  Sharp, quick, effective passing and we looked totally in control.  Gibson was proving a genuine presence up top, working the channels and bringing others into play.  Williams, in a more advanced role, was supporting well and someone who was driving forward with the ball.  Behind then Scannell was at the heart of it, dictating the tempo and making sure the passing was crisp.

As said before, Rose very composed and brings that level of assurance and calm that is contagious...








Then we got tired.


Preston on the left just looks copulated.  There's no other way of saying it.  He looks absolutely shattered.  It's hard enough for him playing at left-back when he's exhausted but as wingback it's sending a lamb to slaughter.  Idehen as the left-sided centre back was just exposed every time because he had no cover down that side.   I thought the back 3 themselves were fine but Ohman is a liability with his free-kicks.  He simply gives too many away and never seems to learn that you can't through the back of people.

Once we started to tire it was carnage.  Rose dropped like a fly and with that Morton was all over the place.  With tiring wingbacks, Leicester exposed the gaps and ran riot.  The midfield picked nothing up.  The front 2/3 couldn't get hold of anything and we just retreated further and further.   The substitutions didn't help us really.  He was knackered but Gibson going off removed any outlet we had.

It's very difficult to be either positive or negative because it just feels so all over the place.  But I think there has to be a line in the sand and we say enough is enough on the excuses.  We are where we are and we've got what we've got.  Sadly I think our balance is all wrong.  In the squad you could argue that we've got our core nice and experienced but the problem is so much of that core is made of glass.  McKeown, Waterfall, Rose, Hanson.  That's a solid core that 12 months ago would have been brilliant to build around.  Put the young legs around it and I'd have been very happy.  Rose can't stay fit or get up to 90 minutes and Hanson is well, struggling.  That leaves us having to play combinations of Morton/Spokes/Taylor when they all lack the experience to lead and dominate.  Clifton should, on form and in my opinion, be a mainstay in the middle but due to a lack of cover elsewhere and/or constant rotation that isn't happening/

On paper, the attacking midfield options we've got is very exciting.  Tilley, Wright, Scannell, Bennett, Williams and I've probably missed someone too.  But any 3 of those supporting a striker or any 2 out side should be enough to cause problems.  Tilley's injured (when he seemed to be coming into form), Wright also injured, Scannell looks to have fallen out with Holloway, Bennett I'm hoping comes good and Williams doesn't seem to have nailed down a set position.  

Up top we can discount Hanson.  Green, I'm afraid, just isn't up to it.  He doesn't offer anything.  That's not me going in on him, it's the reality.  We need a front man to be able to do at least one of the following; run the channels, hold it up, be a nuisance, bully sides, create chances, score goals.   He doesn't do any.  

Jackson, albeit having seen relatively little of him, looks a fair way off the pace in terms of fitness and standard.  He may well come good but he looked like a rabbit in the headlights yesterday.  Gomis I'm failing to see what he brings.

In his first few outings I thought Windsor looked excellent.  Since then he's been shafted out wide and deep, which doesn't suit him at all.  Not sure why that's happened.  I think he's picked up a knock too.

That leaves Gibson, who clearly splits opinions.  I think there's real potential there and with proper coaching and more games he'll be a real gem.  But for our whole attack to be focused around a rough diamond and a lack of anything happening behind him is a concern.

It's the constant knocks and fitness issues that really concern me though.  I said yesterday about something isn't quite right and I think until we get to the bottom of that we're never going to move on properly.  Despite a lack of balance and experience, I think we've got more than enough quality in that squad to be very comfortable this season.  What isn't helping is that we don't know what our best XI is, or anything close to it.  We've all got ideas but I don't think Holloway does.  Personally I don't think we've got the depth to play wingbacks so need to go to a back four.  A lack of depth means I don't want to see our fullbacks exposed which means wingers.  I don't think any of our available strikers are good/experienced enough to play up top alone which means 2 up top.   Pointing to a 4-4-2, which probably suits a lot of the players we've got.  

Whatever system we go with, it has to consistent and we can't keep making wholesale changes every game.  It simply isn't working.  Changes when needed, not just for the sake of it.

Not saying much but Green was our best player at Dagenham and we were excrement after he went off. Think your harsh on him, he works hard and does hold it up, sadly none of our other forwards seem anywhere near good enough. Ollies got it wrong

I'm not saying he doesn't work hard.  But that's a given.  I could work hard for the team, I could bust a gut until I drop.  It doesn't mean I'd be effective in the slightest.  

I only half watched the Dagenham game and I do agree, Green was one of our better performers on the day.  But it's still not enough, he just doesn't offer anything of what we need.  When we first signed him I thought he was fairly effective in the early days when he was working off Hanson and chased down in the corners.  But after those first few games he hasn't done that.  

Unfortunately I don't agree on him holding it up.  It doesn't stick with him often enough, when it does he doesn't bring others into play and/or he slows it down.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I'm not saying he doesn't work hard.  But that's a given.  I could work hard for the team, I could bust a gut until I drop.  It doesn't mean I'd be effective in the slightest.  

I only half watched the Dagenham game and I do agree, Green was one of our better performers on the day.  But it's still not enough, he just doesn't offer anything of what we need.  When we first signed him I thought he was fairly effective in the early days when he was working off Hanson and chased down in the corners.  But after those first few games he hasn't done that.  

Unfortunately I don't agree on him holding it up.  It doesn't stick with him often enough, when it does he doesn't bring others into play and/or he slows it down.

The problem I have with Matt Green is that he's got no pace now, his strengths were running in behind and taking defenders on, no his pace has gone he's lost the ability to affect a game, plus he's always going down far too easy, that said the keeper did wipe him out on Saturday, for what I saw as a stone wall penalty..

Williams is a must for every game.
He's the only one in years who can take a good corner and free kick.
Purely for that.

It’s really hard watching town at the moment but I still do and pay for any matches that my season ticket doesn’t cover. Town need the money. I’ve noticed that as bad as it is JT is way over the top with his negativity and constantly gets things wrong, players names, what’s actually happened as we can all watch now..... He’s passed it and thank god I have the option of turning him off.....Reading the comments I notice many others are noticing too. UTMM!!

[quote=22]Anyone surprised our team of young lads got turned over by a prem teams young lads?? [/quote

Our "young lads" are actually the youth team , not those that were on show last night.  Pretty sure all in the squad last night were all pro's and form part of the first team squad.
Any of them impress ?   Any of them grab the opportunity to nail down a starting place ?

Quoted from Steve Richards

Williams needs to play high up the pitch. He has never been a midfielder he may have the skill and the maturity to do it despite still being young but his best position is off a Striker (Windsor for me) or to the left or right of him with Edwards making up the dynamic 3. Play that combination week in week out with some patience and it will eventually click and provide the goals required this season! Appreciate injuries may have prevented us seeing that combination so far ...

Hope u are right. It makes sense. Tranmere away here we come

Quoted from Steve Richards

Williams needs to play high up the pitch. He has never been a midfielder he may have the skill and the maturity to do it despite still being young but his best position is off a Striker (Windsor for me) or to the left or right of him with Edwards making up the dynamic 3. Play that combination week in week out with some patience and it will eventually click and provide the goals required this season! Appreciate injuries may have prevented us seeing that combination so far ...

Deckchairs and Titanic spring to mind.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Deckchairs and Titanic spring to mind.

Williams, Windsor and either Edwards or Tilley ought to be our front three with Wright, Bennett and Green as back up. Clifton, Rose and Hewitt our midfield three. We already have decent back 5 and we need to send back the loanees who are surplus to requirements (Gomis and Morton) and manage without Hanson and Scannell. We would be better off blooding our own youngsters than giving game time to other club’s loanees that aren’t up to it.

Quoted from moosey_club

[quote=22]Anyone surprised our team of young lads got turned over by a prem teams young lads?? [/quote

Our "young lads" are actually the youth team , not those that were on show last night.  Pretty sure all in the squad last night were all pro's and form part of the first team squad.
Any of them impress ?   Any of them grab the opportunity to nail down a starting place ?

And I would like imagine most of the Leicester squad were professional footballers and knocking on their first team door.