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Posted by: TownSNAFU5, September 29, 2020, 8:02pm
Yet Liverpool are still playing Arsenal this Thu in the cup.  No mention of any games postponed.
The club saying that they are following protocols.

Interestedly, the club doctor said it is up to each player if they publically announce a positive test.  Does this mean that Curran could have kept quiet about his positive result?  Inventing an injury to keep him away or a domestic illness meaning that he had to go home.





Posted by: ska face, September 29, 2020, 8:05pm; Reply: 1
Quoted from TownSNAFU5


Interestedly, the club doctor said it is up to each player if they publically announce a positive test.  Does this mean that Curran could have kept quiet about his positive result?



He would’ve had a job on after motor-mouth Holloway gave him up in two separate interviews.


Anyway, our games were only postponed because the club stated they couldn’t fulfil the fixtures, nobody else called them off for us.
Posted by: It Bites, September 29, 2020, 9:01pm; Reply: 2
I smell a rat
Posted by: LondonMariner43, September 29, 2020, 10:44pm; Reply: 3
The whole thing is a mess.  The government guidelines are that if you have been in contact with someone who has tested positive then you need to self isolate for 14 days.  Town seem to be following these guidelines so why aren’t other clubs?
Posted by: mimma, September 29, 2020, 11:32pm; Reply: 4
Big clubs test all their staff on a regular basis because they have the money to do it. Thiago was probably the only player to come back as positive, the rest negative, therefore there is no need to isolate any other players.
Posted by: Heisenberg, September 30, 2020, 6:08am; Reply: 5
Quoted from mimma
Big clubs test all their staff on a regular basis because they have the money to do it. Thiago was probably the only player to come back as positive, the rest negative, therefore there is no need to isolate any other players.


But there’s the 5-day gestation period to consider, as mentioned by Phillip Day......
Posted by: aldi_01, September 30, 2020, 6:24am; Reply: 6
So it simply seems like we’ve interpreted the guidance one way and other clubs another way?

I guess if we’ve said we can’t fulfil our fixtures, regardless of Covid I’d expect us to receive a fine/points deduction potentially. Doesn’t make it right but it’s probably a possibility.

It’s all a mess. We had a woman at work who tested negative 3 times but because her mother had allegedly tested positive she was advised to isolate...then we had someone do the same and they weren’t.

So confusing and contradictory, I think I’m off to Barnard Castle, I’ve heard it’s nice and hopefully it’ll release some stress...
Posted by: Stadium, September 30, 2020, 9:00am; Reply: 7
Quoted from LondonMariner43
The whole thing is a mess.  The government guidelines are that if you have been in contact with someone who has tested positive then you need to self isolate for 14 days.  Town seem to be following these guidelines so why aren’t other clubs?


"Close contact"  which has definition's.

Posted by: ginnywings, September 30, 2020, 10:29am; Reply: 8
Quoted from ska face


He would’ve had a job on after motor-mouth Holloway gave him up in two separate interviews.


Anyway, our games were only postponed because the club stated they couldn’t fulfil the fixtures, nobody else called them off for us.


It does seem on the face of it that we did indeed do this, unlike other sides who went ahead regardless. There doesn't seem to be any financial imperative for them to do so; not unless you count any money they may receive from iFollow, which can't be a lot for a club like Stevenage. Perhaps got a bit more than usual as they were playing Bradford, who have a large following by League 2 standards.

We however, have covid clauses, and these were mentioned by Bradford in their missives, so they obviously think that we are pulling a fast one, along with us having a poor start to the season and being generally out of sorts on the pitch. They also think we are all for a curtailment of the season and are using this as a way of pushing that agenda. Would be nice if the club told us a bit more about why they feel the need to postpone games and Stevenage don't. It's baffling.

Are we following EFL specific guidelines, or general government ones?
Posted by: The Yard Dog, September 30, 2020, 10:49am; Reply: 9
Quoted from ginnywings


It does seem on the face of it that we did indeed do this, unlike other sides who went ahead regardless. There doesn't seem to be any financial imperative for them to do so; not unless you count any money they may receive from iFollow, which can't be a lot for a club like Stevenage. Perhaps got a bit more than usual as they were playing Bradford, who have a large following by League 2 standards.

We however, have covid clauses, and these were mentioned by Bradford in their missives, so they obviously think that we are pulling a fast one, along with us having a poor start to the season and being generally out of sorts on the pitch. They also think we are all for a curtailment of the season and are using this as a way of pushing that agenda.[/b] Would be nice if the club told us a bit more about why they feel the need to postpone games[b] and Stevenage don't. It's baffling.

Are we following EFL specific guidelines, or general government ones?


Thought the club had, hence the statement below

Following medical advice received from the EFL, our own medical team and in line with current Government guidelines, members of our first team playing and management staff continue to self-isolate due to a recent positive COVID-19 test being identified within the squad.  

As a result, our Sky Bet League Two fixture at home to Bradford City, scheduled for Saturday 3rd October has now been postponed.

With the required period of self-isolation continuing into the middle of next week, our EFL Trophy fixture away at Hull City, scheduled for Tuesday 6th October has also had to be postponed.

Details regarding the rearrangement of our postponed fixtures will be released once arrangements have been made between all clubs involved.

How can the club comment on why Stevenage went ahead.
Posted by: ginnywings, September 30, 2020, 11:30am; Reply: 10
Fair enough, hadn't seen that before. Does suggest that we are following government guidelines, but still begs the question as to why Stevenage are not. The only consistency is the inconsistency.
Posted by: The Yard Dog, September 30, 2020, 12:29pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from ginnywings
Fair enough, hadn't seen that before. Does suggest that we are following government guidelines, but still begs the question as to why Stevenage are not. The only consistency is the inconsistency.


No worries

Posted by: RichMariner, September 30, 2020, 3:51pm; Reply: 12
So Jock Curran got tested for Covid-19, his result was positive and therefore needed to self-isolate — as did everyone else he may have come into contact with i.e. the entire squad, since he'd been training with them.

If Thiago tested positive for Covid-19 then, unless he was training in isolation already, I don't really understand why Liverpool's first team aren't now self-isolating?

Also, has Spalding's squad been self-isolating? Appreciate they are part time but had he been training with them too?
Posted by: Stadium, September 30, 2020, 4:30pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from RichMariner
So Jock Curran got tested for Covid-19, his result was positive and therefore needed to self-isolate — as did everyone else he may have come into contact with i.e. the entire squad, since he'd been training with them.

If Thiago tested positive for Covid-19 then, unless he was training in isolation already, I don't really understand why Liverpool's first team aren't now self-isolating?


Also, has Spalding's squad been self-isolating? Appreciate they are part time but had he been training with them too?


What happens if a Premier League player tests positive?

Players or club staff who have tested positive for coronavirus will self-isolate and quarantine for a period of 10 days.

“If a player tests positive, it’s only him and his family who need to isolate, not anybody else,” confirmed the Premier League’s medical advisor, Dr Mark Gillett.

Covid-19 testing protocol lies in accordance with UK government guidelines.

Similarly, if players or staff members show symptoms of Covid-19 but test negative, they will still need to self-isolate.
Posted by: forza ivano, September 30, 2020, 6:26pm; Reply: 14
I'm just beginning to wonder if we've played a fast one here.
Holloway hasn't managed 1000+ games without being a bit clever/cute.
2 week individual training plan gets the players up to speed fitness wise,  injured players recover and lo and behold in 2 weeks time we are effectively restarting the season with a complete squad all fully fit and raring to go
Posted by: pontoonlew, September 30, 2020, 7:10pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from forza ivano
I'm just beginning to wonder if we've played a fast one here.
Holloway hasn't managed 1000+ games without being a bit clever/cute.
2 week individual training plan gets the players up to speed fitness wise,  injured players recover and lo and behold in 2 weeks time we are effectively restarting the season with a complete squad all fully fit and raring to go


You’re only just realising we’ve pulled a fast one?!

Only problem with this fast one is that we’re going to have zero match preparation and an absolute stinker of a fixture pile up in an already hectic fixture list.
Posted by: Posh Harry, September 30, 2020, 9:19pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from forza ivano
I'm just beginning to wonder if we've played a fast one here.
Holloway hasn't managed 1000+ games without being a bit clever/cute.
2 week individual training plan gets the players up to speed fitness wise,  injured players recover and lo and behold in 2 weeks time we are effectively restarting the season with a complete squad all fully fit and raring to go


2 week individual training plans are not a lot of use if you don’t have a gym or a very big garden to do training in. I doubt if many of the players on the wages they are on have that option. Self isolation means you  are not allowed to leave your home, even for exercise.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, September 30, 2020, 9:37pm; Reply: 17
If anyone thinks there isn’t one rule for the rich and one rule for the poor they’re deluded.
Posted by: GrimRob, September 30, 2020, 10:07pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from forza ivano
I'm just beginning to wonder if we've played a fast one here.
Holloway hasn't managed 1000+ games without being a bit clever/cute.
2 week individual training plan gets the players up to speed fitness wise,  injured players recover and lo and behold in 2 weeks time we are effectively restarting the season with a complete squad all fully fit and raring to go


That's obviously what Spragger Sparks thinks. But can you really see our fully fit squad emerging from two weeks spent training alone in the garden functioning as a coherent whole against opposition who spend every day training together?
Posted by: HertsGTFC, September 30, 2020, 10:20pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from GrimRob


That's obviously what Spragger Sparks thinks. But can you really see our fully fit squad emerging from two weeks spent training alone in the garden functioning as a coherent whole against opposition who spend every day training together?


Once you’re on the payroll your fitness program can be heavily measured by using one of those vests they wear and a lap top with Greg on the other end of it.

When you’re a free agent yeah you’ll be training but not at the level of an employed player.

What you won’t be is match sharp and cohesive so we might be able to run longer but doubt the football will be any better.
Posted by: forza ivano, September 30, 2020, 10:46pm; Reply: 20
Well according to the premier league doc, only immediate family need to self isolate not team mates.
I'm sure it's much too far fetched to think of a scenario where there was small group training sessions a long, long way away from lincolnshire🤔
Posted by: GrimRob, October 1, 2020, 9:53am; Reply: 21
Quoted from forza ivano
Well according to the premier league doc, only immediate family need to self isolate not team mates.
I'm sure it's much too far fetched to think of a scenario where there was small group training sessions a long, long way away from lincolnshire🤔


They are testing players and other club employees regularly though in the PL though, not immediate family.  
Posted by: RichMariner, October 1, 2020, 11:20am; Reply: 22
Just so I'm clear...

If we were a Premier League club, and Jock Curran tested positive for Covid-19, then only he would have to self-isolate and the rest of the squad could continue as normal (and therefore we'd be able to play matches)?

The PL say that's in line with government guidance, and yet what we've done is also being claimed as in line with protocols.

Hmm.
Posted by: The Yard Dog, October 1, 2020, 1:50pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from RichMariner
Just so I'm clear...

If we were a Premier League club, and Jock Curran tested positive for Covid-19, then only he would have to self-isolate and the rest of the squad could continue as normal (and therefore we'd be able to play matches)?

The PL say that's in line with government guidance, and yet what we've done is also being claimed as in line with protocols.

Hmm.


Premier teams are testing every player and staff, were as we are not.
Posted by: Stadium, October 1, 2020, 1:54pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from RichMariner
Just so I'm clear...

If we were a Premier League club, and Jock Curran tested positive for Covid-19, then only he would have to self-isolate and the rest of the squad could continue as normal (and therefore we'd be able to play matches)?

The PL say that's in line with government guidance, and yet what we've done is also being claimed as in line with protocols.

Hmm.


Correct
PL are testing all players and support staff regularly and hence comply to the guidelines.



Posted by: pen penfras, October 1, 2020, 3:29pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from RichMariner
Just so I'm clear...

If we were a Premier League club, and Jock Curran tested positive for Covid-19, then only he would have to self-isolate and the rest of the squad could continue as normal (and therefore we'd be able to play matches)?

The PL say that's in line with government guidance, and yet what we've done is also being claimed as in line with protocols.

Hmm.


What doesn't make sense is why don't Salford, Scunthorpe, Stevenage and whoever else has had positive tests have to self isolate? You can clearly see from the 17 affected Leyton Orient players that it spreads through the training setup easily.

The reality is that players will almost certainly be fine after having it, but if that's the case then just say it rather than this ridiculous situation where clubs seem to have to make their own decisions based on advisors that interpret a set of vague regulations differently and then claim that they've been socially distancing so it's ok.
Posted by: MarinerDevil, October 1, 2020, 5:16pm; Reply: 26
Our trophy tie with Hull has now been rearranged for 17th November at 17:30.  Suggests that our league games will also be rearranged and we'll avoid forfeiting them, at least.
Posted by: RichMariner, October 1, 2020, 10:09pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from The Yard Dog


Premier teams are testing every player and staff, were as we are not.


I see — so had we tested all our players and none showed up as negative then Jock Curran would've self-isolated and everyone else would've continued to train as normal.

I'm guessing we didn't test everyone else because of the cost implication, or could there be another reason?
Posted by: Croxton, October 1, 2020, 10:37pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from RichMariner


I see — so had we tested all our players and none showed up as negative then Jock Curran would've self-isolated and everyone else would've continued to train as normal.

I'm guessing we didn't test everyone else because of the cost implication, or could there be another reason?


Did you mean 'positive?'     Club statement explains why we didn't test the whole squad.

ttps://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/september/club-statement/

Philip Day says that it is not viable to test everyone regularly. Many clubs take the same approach until a case is found but respond differently e.g. Stevenage. EFL says each club is responsible for following their own medical advice. Hence the mess!
Posted by: aldi_01, October 2, 2020, 6:31am; Reply: 29
I think that’s what this all is; a mess. On so many levels. Clubs literally able to make up their approach, a league that is seemingly a rudderless ship and fans stuck in the middle wondering why some teams play and some don’t.
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