Holloway says Vernam might be off to League 1, according to Matt Dean. A massive shame but not a lot we can do!

drunk off. Was going nowhere till Limbrick & Holloway brought him back and gave him an extended run. Had 2 good months and first opportunity to go its been taken. Ah well. Player doesnt wanna be here then stuff them

Holloway stated the EFL advised the club not to activate the contract extension so they didn't, so Vernam is basically a free agent

Quoted from Hagrid

That true dave? If so then i withdraw what i said. Wtf were the club doing?!

Yes Holloway said on Humberside just now that the EFL advised us not to activate the automatic contract extension so we didn't. And Vernam and his agent has said "we are free agent then"

Footballers will be available that would normally be out of our reach so if Vernam does go I'm sure Ollie will find a replacement just as good if not better.

Eh - can't understand why we were advised by the EFL not to take up the option - it was surely our decision alone?
Big disappointment - please tell me it's not Peterborough again!

I appreciate the financial pressures with Coronavirus but to not even opt to extend his contract because the EFL told us not to is a clanger.

Quoted from Davec

Holloway stated the EFL advised the club not to activate the contract extension so they didn't, so Vernam is basically a free agent

A colossal intercourse up, if true. I know we’re skint with no sign of income YET but surely we at least trigger an option on our best player?? We’ve released basically everyone who was out of contract, and I totally understand why, but this is daft....it’d mean we have what 11 contracted players instead of 10?

Best player? Not a chance. 6 good games in a 2 month spell does not make him our best player

Big blow if it happens.

Burton Albion apparently.

Given a chance and he's off. So better off gone IMO.
If he's gone up a level then all the best to him.

Holloway says club think they have a very strong legal case. Having listened to Him I’m now of the opinion if Vernam wants to go then go, Holloway obviously wants to put players in our shirt that want to play for it......

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

Eh - can't understand why we were advised by the EFL not to take up the option - it was surely our decision alone?
Big disappointment - please tell me it's not Peterborough again!

The EFL have set dates for things don't they. Clubs have to announce their retained list by a certain date and clubs have to activate contract options by a certain date. I know the EFL have extended the date for retained lists being published because the season hasn't finished yet, so I imagine the date for activating contract options has also been extended. The club acted accordingly and Charles Vernam's representatives have decided that the option is no longer valid and as such he's a free agent.

I can't imagine we're the only club with an issue like this.

My favourite scunny fan but far from irreplaceable.

Quoted from sam gy

A colossal intercourse up, if true. I know we’re skint with no sign of income YET but surely we at least trigger an option on our best player?? We’ve released basically everyone who was out of contract, and I totally understand why, but this is daft....it’d mean we have what 11 contracted players instead of 10?

We actually have 13 contracted players plus the 4 new YT graduates. And Max Wright is staying apparently and Ollie probably wants Ben Davies to keep himself in shape so we have 19 as things stand.

James McKeown
Sam Russell
Ollie Battersby
Ludvig Öhman
Luke Waterfall
Mattie Pollock
Luke Hendrie
Elliott Hewitt
Harry Clifton
Jock Curran
James Tilley
James Hanson
Matt Green

Joey Hope
Joseph Starbuck
Duncan Idehen
Cameron Painter

Max Wright ?

Ben Davies ?

Quoted from Stadium

Burton Albion apparently.

Can’t think that Burton have anything going for the except beer and a small newish stadium. Hardly a brilliant career move

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Can’t think that Burton have anything going for the except beer and a small newish stadium. Hardly a brilliant career move

He came through System at Derby so probably well known in that area, probably a player where playing at a higher level with a less physical approach will get better and more opportunity to shine. At Christmas his departure would not have been an issue but he will, based on the three months after, be a player we miss but not irreplaceable.

Burton a club though with little money and I wouldn’t have thought great prospects so maybe not the greatest career move.

Not irreplaceable and his injury record isn’t the best either. Would have been only a matter of time before he broke down again.

Think were the worst Club at sorting out contracts, maybe we,ll look at them at end of next season in NL.

Quoted from dicko995

Think were the worst Club at sorting out contracts, maybe we,ll look at them at end of next season in NL.

Making the most of the pubs reopening???

I think we need to wake up a little. Burton a bad career move with nothing going for them? They’ve been far more successful than we have over the last ten years and were in the championship not long ago.

It hurts to say it, but right now they’re a fair bit ahead of us, unfortunately.

Quoted from Mikey_345

Holloway says club think they have a very strong legal case. Having listened to Him I’m now of the opinion if Vernam wants to go then go, Holloway obviously wants to put players in our shirt that want to play for it......

Knowing none of the facts, I'm inclined to agree. He has only been out of contract for a few days. Sounds like they made up their mind before he was out of contract and have agreed to sign for another club when we still had the option available.

I'm not sure how much of a loss it is. He was phenomenal for a few games, then became Roy of the Rovers and tried to do the same things every time he got the ball, often wasting good opportunities. He was injury prone, but clearly had something and was unplayable when he was on song. Shame to see him go, but hopefully we get somebody who can do something for a full season

I cannot believe the ineptitude of this, I am raging.

excrement show if we don’t get it sorted. Match winner at our level.

He's a lower league pro footballer-one of the least safe occupations in sport thanks to Covid-19 who has the chance to better himself. I cannot find it in my heart to criticise him for it. I bet Hess wishes he was in Vernam's position...

Quoted from Stadium

Burton Albion apparently.

As long as it’s not Lincoln it is what it is. Considering we have no idea when we’ll get playing again and thus earn any income then I completely understand why we’re not making signings.

Before I condemn the club, player or any individual I think I’d prefer to understand the facts, if we ever will.

As for what IH says as much as I love him and think he’s just what we need he sometimes talks in riddles.

They’ll be a simple parameter to lower league transfers for a good while - get higher earners out and bring in people who we can pay less.

Quoted from barralad

He's a lower league pro footballer-one of the least safe occupations in sport thanks to Covid-19 who has the chance to better himself. I cannot find it in my heart to criticise him for it. I bet Hess wishes he was in Vernam's position...

Exactly, using the EFL as an excuse sounds a bit of a cop out to me, i am sure we would have offered the extension without hesitation normally but with income being tight and future revenue stream unknown i imagine the club took a business decision and decided not to offer an extension for now until there was a clearer  picture to avoid paying out unnecessarily.

Way too early to say whether or not this is a good or bad thing for us overall, football WILL be completely different to what we knew so one player walking away from us could lead to others players walking in under very similar circumstances.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

As long as it’s not Lincoln it is what it is. Considering we have no idea when we’ll get playing again and thus earn any income then I completely understand why we’re not making signings.

Before I condemn the club, player or any individual I think I’d prefer to understand the facts, if we ever will.

As for what IH says as much as I love him and think he’s just what we need he sometimes talks in riddles.

They’ll be a simple parameter to lower league transfers for a good while - get higher earners out and bring in people who we can pay less.

That particular formula often results in relegation.

Quoted from Heisenberg

That particular formula often results in relegation.

Yes but nearly every team in the League will have the same problems.  But we would all love to think that the Ollie influence could bring some class players to the team.

Not every team can be relegated!

Quoted from moosey_club

Exactly, using the EFL as an excuse sounds a bit of a cop out to me, i am sure we would have offered the extension without hesitation normally but with income being tight and future revenue stream unknown i imagine the club took a business decision and decided not to offer an extension for now until there was a clearer  picture to avoid paying out unnecessarily.

Way too early to say whether or not this is a good or bad thing for us overall, football WILL be completely different to what we knew so one player walking away from us could lead to others players walking in under very similar circumstances.

Considering the number of footballers and staff on the books would one more player have made that much difference when we will likely be having to sign some more soon.

Quoted from Davec

Yes Holloway said on Humberside just now that the EFL advised us not to activate the automatic contract extension so we didn't. And Vernam and his agent has said "we are free agent then"

As you'd expect if you are the player.

I will hold Ian Fleming personally responsible if we lose our best player on what would surely be a free transfer despite his age, as we haven't offered him a deal at all. When we had an option on his contract. Charles Vernam is an absolute star at this level and if he is effectively released on a free, then the CEO who has been around a very long time, and we are looking at 16 years at league 2 level or even below should be held responsible.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

As you'd expect if you are the player.

I will hold Ian Fleming personally responsible if we lose our best player on what would surely be a free transfer despite his age, as we haven't offered him a deal at all. When we had an option on his contract. Charles Vernam is an absolute star at this level and if he is effectively released on a free, then the CEO who has been around a very long time, and we are looking at 16 years at league 2 level or even below should be held responsible.

Feels like a bit of an exaggeration. Found some good form after new year but spent much of the season before that phoning it in before being shipped off to the bottom of the  National League to find some confidence. At that point nobody complained and felt he hadn't lived up to expectation. Would rather have kept him than lose him but with things as they are it might have been too difficult. I think we can find a replacement for him though, I don't think he was some indispensable superstar.

Quoted from fishboyUTM

As you'd expect if you are the player.

I will hold Ian Fleming personally responsible if we lose our best player on what would surely be a free transfer despite his age, as we haven't offered him a deal at all. When we had an option on his contract. Charles Vernam is an absolute star at this level and if he is effectively released on a free, then the CEO who has been around a very long time, and we are looking at 16 years at league 2 level or even below should be held responsible.

How can you hold Ian Fleming responsible? Every penny spent at the club and every players contract is controlled by Fenty. Fenty is the only one at the club with money however does not want to put money in and therefore does not want the club to spend anything.

Quoted from SDUTM

How can you hold Ian Fleming responsible? Every penny spent at the club and every players contract is controlled by Fenty. Fenty is the only one at the club with money however does not want to put money in and therefore does not want the club to spend anything.

Might be an unpopular opinion, but in times like these I’m bloody glad someone like Fenty is and has been controlling the money....

Well run club and all that...

I mean I’m not sure it’s like losing an Amond or Bogle or Groves etc but given the form he found under Holloway one would’ve assumed he’d fair with under him so it could be a loss.

I mean, to be honest, is anyone surprised we copulated this up? It seems to be a member up, whether or not that’s being used as an excuse to cover the fact the club decided not to engage the extension on financial grounds but even that’s a flimsy excuse to be honest.

I’m not sure kicking in Vernam’s contract extension would’ve been that costly regardless of the current climate.

Perhaps it’s a combination of a player fancying his chances at a higher level that his current club are long way from and GTFC just being GTFC and cocking it up...

Quoted from Mikey_345

Might be an unpopular opinion, but in times like these I’m bloody glad someone like Fenty is and has been controlling the money....

I wasn’t knocking Fenty just simply stating that he controls everything financial at the club not Ian Fleming. If people want to be angry about the Vernam contract then they need to be angry at the right person as Ian Holloway stated, John Fenty is a hell of a contract negotiator! Sometimes that works and sometimes it doesn’t and this time it appears that we have come unstuck. I would imagine that the club is now offering lower terms and Charles thinks that he’s worth more so going elsewhere? Wages will drop however for good players the demand will still be there and players agents will play clubs off against each other in order to get their client the best deal. I don’t think that we could trigger the added year on reduced terms as they have to be the same amount or more and therefore if offered less, Charles could and is allowed to walk away any how.

Quoted from aldi_01

Well run club and all that...

I mean I’m not sure it’s like losing an Amond or Bogle or Groves etc but given the form he found under Holloway one would’ve assumed he’d fair with under him so it could be a loss.

I mean, to be honest, is anyone surprised we copulated this up? It seems to be a member up, whether or not that’s being used as an excuse to cover the fact the club decided not to engage the extension on financial grounds but even that’s a flimsy excuse to be honest.

I’m not sure kicking in Vernam’s contract extension would’ve been that costly regardless of the current climate.

Perhaps it’s a combination of a player fancying his chances at a higher level that his current club are long way from and GTFC just being GTFC and cocking it up...

You can’t take up the optional extra year on reduced terms (money, bonus etc) it has to be the same otherwise the other party is allowed to walk for free.

Quoted from SDUTM

You can’t take up the optional extra year on reduced terms (money, bonus etc) it has to be the same otherwise the other party is allowed to walk for free.

Good point, and maybe the club can't afford to be paying him the same amount, considering the financial losses they've suffered.

would be nice to think it may open the way to cover Bogles wages . :-/

Quoted from Hagrid

drunk off. Was going nowhere till Limbrick & Holloway brought him back and gave him an extended run. Had 2 good months and first opportunity to go its been taken. Ah well. Player doesnt wanna be here then stuff them

To be fair to Vernam after we shipped him out on loan any loyalty to GTFC probably evaporated.

Quoted from 4055

would be nice to think it may open the way to cover Bogles wages . :-/

If Carling did contract negotiations lol

Didn't want to believe Charlie wants to leave, but I've just listened to the interview and now think it's inevitable sadly. Only hope we have is that we could get some compo for him, but even that seems unlikely.
However, like Holloway said in the interview, we could be in the same division as this other club next season and if it is Burton then we are clearly a much bigger club with hopefully more chance to develop even further.

Sounds like a balls up to me by the club.

Quoted from Mikey_345

Might be an unpopular opinion, but in times like these I’m bloody glad someone like Fenty is and has been controlling the money....

Apparently not.

This club has made PR clanger after PR clanger over the years, John Fenty at the heart of many of them. This though, is not one of them.

At this moment in time, all of the club’s players and staff are furloughed, quite possibly all the way through to October. If they weren’t, we would already be in very serious financial jeopardy (assuming we aren’t already).

We simply do not know when normal trading conditions are going to return. There is no set date for football crowds of any kind to return, let alone full crowds. It is not even certain there will be a 20/21 League Two season.

Under those conditions, how on earth is the club supposed to make and justify long-term financial commitments. They had no other option.

It’s a shame we look to have lost Charles Vernam, just at the point of looking like the real deal. But then it’s a shame thousands of people have died, directly and indirectly, at the hands of a virus we didn’t even know about six months ago. It’s a shame thousands of people will lose their jobs. It’s a shame that some football league clubs may very well go to the wall.

These have been, and continue to be shít times for all of us - some more than others. We cannot judge the club’s actions in the transfer market as if it can operate in some vacuum, immune to the economic consequences of what we’re going through. There may be some clubs who are able to seize this situation as an opportunity to progress - Salford et al. We are not one of them.

Right now I honestly believe all at the club are doing their level-best to ensure we have a club to come back to. We cannot ask for any more than that.

Keep calm people!

The only way we could activate the extension clause was to offer him at least the same money he was on. The players have taken a voluntary pay cut so he is currently on less money than before. I suspect that this is the reason we cannot activate the extension.

We cannot give him the same money to sign him since that would be unfair on the rest of the squad and would cause a rift.

The fishy experts are at it again, I blame so and so and its so and so fault.
The most important thing at the moment is that the CLUB survives first, no player is bigger than the club.
If a player or should I say a players agents thinks he can get a better deal at another club, good luck.  The grass is not also greener on the other side
Look at Wigan on a amazing run of form until defeat at Brentford climbing away from the relegation battle, only for the club to put in administration 4 weeks after Hong Kong based consortium taking over the club, vritually relegating the club.
Players signing for new clubs, will not know what that clubs financial situation
It a challenging time at the moment, without knowing when fans are going to be allowed back to Blundell Park, it must be a nightmare, planning ahead.
They are going to be clubs, who will gamble, signing players, without knowing football is going to restart in the lower leagues.
I wonder how many of you would be saying that it is a must we keep Verman, before Mr Holloway arrival.

The most important part our plan going forward is keeping Mr Holloway at GTFC.

If Verman decides his future lies away from GTFC, good luck to him.

Quoted from mimma

Keep calm people!

The only way we could activate the extension clause was to offer him at least the same money he was on. The players have taken a voluntary pay cut so he is currently on less money than before. I suspect that this is the reason we cannot activate the extension.

We cannot give him the same money to sign him since that would be unfair on the rest of the squad and would cause a rift.

Don’t disagree with any of this which is sensible but I assume if CV had wanted to stay he could have firstly agreed a contract extension and/or renewal and then immediately agreed to a 25% pay cut in line with colleagues. To suggest the club has slipped up re this is IMO naive and fails to take account of current external factors and let’s not for Charlie came from Derby so maybe is one of our higher paid players but who knows.

Think it is Ginnywings who often states it’s not the quality of the player you lose but the quality of the player you bring in to replace him so let’s just bide our time and wait to see what our squad looks like before the next season starts before passing judgement.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

The most important thing at the moment is that the CLUB survives first, no player is bigger than the club

Just checking, you won't female dog and moan if we end up back in the National League then

In defence of the club how could they justify to the remaining players extending Chas’s deal and giving him a pay rise whilst everyone else united together and took a reduction recently?

Absolutely agree with Yard Dog & Lincoln M.

Surprised if he goes to Burton as they don't seem to be any better off than us. Though with the money saved following the departure of Clough and his assistants, and a new manager - Buxton - taking over  on 1st July things may have changed.

IH is blaming the EFL for giving the club the wrong advice leading to this member up & can foresee a '"horrible court case coming up" over this.

So Vernam's contract was up to 30 June 20, will he have been paid in full, I don't thinks so. Possibly furloughed on 80%. So now he is not getting paid by anyone, if he has signed for another club they would have to pay him as he would no longer qualify for furlough. Seem very strange situation to be in, there can't be many clubs in the lower leagues who can afford to sign player at present and pay there full wage!

What hacks me off the most is that Ian Fleming hasn't put a penny into the club.

He must have made a fortune from all the Bond books and movies.

Quoted from Ipswin

Just checking, you won't female dog and moan if we end up back in the National League then

I have never female dog or moaned about GTFC, regardless of playing status, manager at the helm or ownership.

I try to give a constuctive opinion on the Fishy

So spend big and potential go bust or be sensible and survive, its easier to rebuild from the National League, then levels 8 or 9.

I would watch GTFC at any level, I am GTFC through and through, I have seen good times and not so good, I just hope they are some more in the future.

difficult time for clubs, players etc, etc

If has secured a better offer, good luck.  Not going to lose too much sleep, its only really since the turn of the year that he has really played a part, and that very special goal has done good for him.

Quoted from Boris Johnson

difficult time for clubs, players etc, etc

If has secured a better offer, good luck.  Not going to lose too much sleep, its only really since the turn of the year that he has really played a part, and that very special goal has done good for him.

Wellllllll, in reality that goal was made by the pass from Whitehouse, Vernam just had to finish it off really.   ;D

When he went to Chorley I honestly thought that would be the last we or league football saw of him. I’m glad he turned it round and good luck to him if he can get a contract in league one. He could’ve been another statistic but instead we’ve given a fine player a leg up.

I've never been one to lose sleep over departing players, whether they were good, bad or indifferent. It's the nature of football that players move around, especially at our level.

Think the only slight gripe here is that CV had started to show the early promise he had at Derby was coming to the fore and we won't get the chance to see if he continues to get better and become the player he threatened to be. If he does, then Burton will benefit and possibly make some money from him. If not, then he's just another footnote in the long history of the club.

These are unprecedented times and i'm certain we have kept some players we would liked to have offloaded but couldn't, and lost some we would like to have kept for varying reasons. Charlie is starting to make his way in the game after a spluttering start to his career and if he feels he is better off elsewhere, then so be it and good luck to him. There are bigger concerns at the moment.

If someone has the inclination to leave, let them leave.

Similar situation to Dembele; quality player, even a match-winner when on form.

We move on.

Although thinking about it Vernam-Hanson-Dembele would have been quite thrilling......  ;D ;D

Quoted from Nutsy

If someone has the inclination to leave, let them leave.

Similar situation to Dembele; quality player, even a match-winner when on form.

We move on.

Although thinking about it Vernam-Hanson-Dembele would have been quite thrilling......  ;D ;D

Provided we can keep Mr Holloway, I got a feeling that the football is going to be more entertaining than in the past.

There's a lot to be said for being a big fish in a little pond, accolades,respect,fame (locally at least). How many times have we seen  someone-usually a striker- have a purple patch with Town and then move on and basically fail to live up to their reputations elsewhere,only to then enter into a downward spiral. Ambition or greed ,or lack of a backbone to defy a pushy agent; there are many  excuses to move on without a moments thought to the club that put you on the map. Personally, I think CV will just join a long list of ex-Town failures,who's long term abilities are questionable.Wiser to know when you are well off where you are.

Quoted from Stranger in the Park

There's a lot to be said for being a big fish in a little pond, accolades,respect,fame (locally at least). How many times have we seen  someone-usually a striker- have a purple patch with Town and then move on and basically fail to live up to their reputations elsewhere,only to then enter into a downward spiral. Ambition or greed ,or lack of a backbone to defy a pushy agent; there are many  excuses to move on without a moments thought to the club that put you on the map. Personally, I think CV will just join a long list of ex-Town failures,who's long term abilities are questionable.Wiser to know when you are well off where you are.

Were you thinking of Omar Bogle by any chance?

Have to agree with the sentiment of your post. There are literally dozens of examples of players moving "to better themselves" from Town but few actually achieve it.

We now have a manager that we can say with confidence that can get the best out of the team, so unless the money is a lot more, or the contract is longer, then staying is now a better option than it has ever been.

FFS if we can't manage to keep a player when we simply have to take up a one year option already in his contract we may as well pack it in, bit like forgetting to renew the alcohol licence at BP - totally inept.

Missing a drink licence is not as bad as mistakingly signing the wrong player.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

Missing a drink licence is not as bad as mistakingly signing the wrong player.

I presume you are not referring to Vernam after all there have been a lot of mistakingly signed 'wrong players'  to choose from over the years

We didn't even have to sign Vernam anyway all we had to do was simply take up the option of another year

Easy, unless you are on the board of GTFC of course

I think this is a real shame, I am sure the club did not forget to extend his contract, because nobody, not even Grimsby town could be that moronic, but let’s have a look at the bigger picture.

We are in the same boat as everybody else, nobody has any facking money, especially those in league one and two. League one clubs will be poaching decent league two players on league two money and With this in mind, we really need to take advantage of struggling national league clubs, and take decent players from cash-strapped clubs for as little as possible.

Lower league players will either have to take a dramatic cut in salary when signing for new club, or national league players wanting to make that step up have the opportunity to do so......

Am I missing something?
Has CV actually signed for another club?
In today's climate, I would have thought it best to sign with Town for another year.
No doubt his head has been turned by his agent.

Quoted from cannylad68

Am I missing something?
Has CV actually signed for another club?
In today's climate, I would have thought it best to sign with Town for another year.
No doubt his head has been turned by his agent.

But he might have been offered three years with someone else, on more money?

Has he?

Quoted from Ipswin

FFS if we can't manage to keep a player when we simply have to take up a one year option already in his contract we may as well pack it in, bit like forgetting to renew the alcohol licence at BP - totally inept.

Have you read my previous post regarding extending his contract? Mollie has said that the club asked for clarification from EFL, who advised us to wait, so we did. We couldn't trigger the extension because Vernan is on less money than his previous contract.

So mister know it all what is it that you would have done given the unique circumstances we find ourselves in? Put a gun to Vernan"s head and force him to sign perhaps?

You are very quick to stick the knife in at every opportunity but sometimes it is just fate that deals Town another bad hand rather than ineptitude on the board's side.

Quoted from mimma

Have you read my previous post regarding extending his contract? Ollie has said that the club asked for clarification from EFL, who advised us to wait, so we did. We couldn't trigger the extension because Vernan is on less money than his previous contract.

So mister know it all what is it that you would have done given the unique circumstances we find ourselves in? Put a gun to Vernan"s head and force him to sign perhaps?

You are very quick to stick the knife in at every opportunity but sometimes it is just fate that deals Town another bad hand rather than ineptitude on the board's side.

Quoted from mimma

Have you read my previous post regarding extending his contract? Mollie has said that the club asked for clarification from EFL, who advised us to wait, so we did. We couldn't trigger the extension because Vernan is on less money than his previous contract.

So mister know it all what is it that you would have done given the unique circumstances we find ourselves in? Put a gun to Vernan"s head and force him to sign perhaps?

You are very quick to stick the knife in at every opportunity but sometimes it is just fate that deals Town another bad hand rather than ineptitude on the board's side.

No I don't read your posts whether you post them singly or in duplicate, I don't know who Mollie is but why was he representing us to the EFL? Why did we take the EFL's advice anyway ? Do they run GTFC? How is it that we are dealt a bad hand every flipping time ?

Quoted from Ipswin

No I don't read your posts whether you post them singly or in duplicate, I don't know who Mollie is but why was he representing us to the EFL? Why did we take the EFL's advice anyway ? Do they run GTFC? How is it that we are dealt a bad hand every flipping time ?

Yes why would a football club take the advice of its governing body its madnes I say!!

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Yes why would a football club take the advice of its governing body its madnes I say!!

Beat me to it!

Should have asked Alan Shearer, he knows a lot about football LOL.

If you blame ineptitude of the board and Fenty, then please explain in what way, and what they SHOULD have done Ipswin.

Quoted from mimma

Beat me to it!

Should have asked Alan Shearer, he knows a lot about football LOL.

If you blame ineptitude of the board and Fenty, then please explain in what way, and what they SHOULD have done Ipswin.

Firstly I am not blaming Fenty individually in any way

The board as a whole including Holloway should and could legally have enforced the option of the extra year, its in the clubs contract with him (so long as they enforce it in time of course - if they didn't that's even worse)

I am still at a loss to see why the EFL had any input at all in this. It is not within their remit to advise or direct clubs as to how they deal with their contracted players UNLESS the club had allowed the date on the one year option to pass without taking it up and the EFL were asked and advised against trying to enforce it belatedly. If that is the case then by allowing the option to lapse by going out of time it is the board's fault.

What should they have done? It sounds like they should have made their mind up quicker!

Quoted from Ipswin

Firstly I am not blaming Fenty individually in any way

The board as a whole including Holloway should and could legally have enforced the option of the extra year, its in the clubs contract with him (so long as they enforce it in time of course - if they didn't that's even worse)

I am still at a loss to see why the EFL had any input at all in this. It is not within their remit to advise or direct clubs as to how they deal with their contracted players UNLESS the club had allowed the date on the one year option to pass without taking it up and the EFL were asked and advised against trying to enforce it belatedly. If that is the case then by allowing the option to lapse by going out of time it is the board's fault.

What should they have done? It sounds like they should have made their mind up quicker!

The club can only "enforce " the option of extending his contract if they offer the same terms or higher. If the offer is less then the player can refuse it and become a free agent. That is what has happened here. We cannot offer the same terms because of the lockdown.

I can imagine Ipswin thinking to himself "damn it, that criticism hasn't worked! What shall I moan about next?"

It would be nice to hear from the club -  without waffle -  what actually happened here & why ?

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

It would be nice to hear from the club -  without waffle -  what actually happened here & why ?

Shall we wait until the situation is done, first? Remember the time Shaun Pearson signed for Barnsley?

Quoted from sonofmadeleymariner

Yes why would a football club take the advice of its governing body its madnes I say!!

You mean a football club and also it's fans should accept what the EFL say.

Does that mean we should all be happy about the EFL Trophy now and support it by attending?

Quoted from Heswall Mariner

It would be nice to hear from the club -  without waffle -  what actually happened here & why ?

Contract negotiations are sensitive and always done in private, which is how it should be. Once a decision is reached and the player signs his contract, then it becomes common knowledge.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

I think this is a real shame, I am sure the club did not forget to extend his contract, because nobody, not even Grimsby town could be that moronic, but let’s have a look at the bigger picture.

We are in the same boat as everybody else, nobody has any facking money, especially those in league one and two. League one clubs will be poaching decent league two players on league two money and With this in mind, we really need to take advantage of struggling national league clubs, and take decent players from cash-strapped clubs for as little as possible.

Lower league players will either have to take a dramatic cut in salary when signing for new club, or national league players wanting to make that step up have the opportunity to do so......

Not everyone else, most, but not everyone. Other clubs have gone beyond solely cutting costs to the bone and have been plugging the income gap with fresh investment. I have also seen that the EFL are presently looking at sixteen potential takeovers over the three divisions. Let's not get too comfy in believing every other club is in our position or acting in the same way. Some will be a lot worse, some will be the same and some will be a lot better off respectively. I believe we've got the best club in the country for knowing how to cut costs and manage expenditure but i hope in the background they're also working hard to find ways to engage with people who can plug the income gap so when football starts again we've got a head start on others and not playing catch up for a few seasons. The attraction of playing for IH will mitigate our position somewhat but others are thinking outside of the box to get ahead, I hope our board are considering the same and trying to engage with others that may significantly improve our position..

I think the board have played this a little fast and loose with our most saleable asset and the player that gets fans out of their seats the most. Forget asking the EFL for advice to try and save a few quid, just get the job done at the pre-agreed contract wage level. To secure CV, what would it have cost the club over the period of non football? 20k, 30k or 50k? What were we trying to save by offering lower terms than agreed? 10k, 20k? Or just trying to delay in paying him the extra year? Was it worth the risk of losing a player that could be worth 50 times that if his form continued? Yet the player gets all the criticism for wanting to maximise his income and further his ambitions after being messed around and the club and IH wear the halo? Forget the current circumstances, our board have got form for letting our prized assets get away. Our default position cannot be cut, cut and cut again, it's akin to selling the club to an asset stripper. The board need to think and act quickly to get us out of this mindset and prevent these situations happening. Cutting costs is not the only play to be made, raising fresh investment is another..

We seem to have shot ourselves in the foot with the player wage cut just as agents were touting their wares. As Bigdog says, some clubs are thinking ' out of the box' while we take to the bunker. Lincoln sign Jamie Jones from under the nose of Crewe. CV was born in Lincoln.  Do Lincoln have a temporary wage cut? Have we shackled Ollie in the current signing window?
CV knew Jamie Buxton from his spell at Derby and knows the Midlands well. Why would he not talk to Burton after finding himself out of contract? I am so disappointed with this turn of events and the tone of Ollies comments re a possible court case with the EFL. A negative vibe running counter to all the positivity around shares and crowdfunding. I hope we haven't spooked Vernam and Clarke through an apparent lack of vision and rabbit in the headlights inactivity. They need more than a belief in the Holloway blarney.

Quoted from Bigdog

I think the board have played this a little fast and loose with our most saleable asset and the player that gets fans out of their seats the most. Forget asking the EFL for advice to try and save a few quid, just get the job done at the pre-agreed contract wage level. To secure CV, what would it have cost the club over the period of non football? 20k, 30k or 50k? What were we trying to save by offering lower terms than agreed? 10k, 20k? Was it worth the risk of losing a player that could be worth 50 times that if his form continued? Yet the player gets all the criticism for wanting to maximise his income and further his ambitions after being messed around and the club and IH wear the halo? Forget the current circumstances, our board have got form for letting our prized assets get away. Our default position cannot be cut, cut and cut again, it's akin to selling the club to an asset stripper. The board need to think and act quickly to get us out of this mindset and prevent these situations happening. Cutting costs is not the only play to be made, raising fresh investment is another..

It’s not that simple imo Bigdog. Every player has agreed to take a pay cut of 25%. If CV was not prepared to do that as part of his new deal which therefore makes him a free agent, then giving him what he wants could well cause a rift in the squad, a feeling of not being in this together which could do a lot more damage than him moving on. I would hardly describe a player that was on loan at Chorley part way through the season, been injury prone for the 2 years of his contract, has not shown much form when he has been involved, and then has a hot streak for a couple of months, a prized asset. Good player, potential to be better if continues to be injury free and could become something more valuable, but even if he signed for one more year, then he’s still not going to be able to command a big fee in January due to either a lack of games (who knows when next season will start or what it will look like) or people will just wait until he becomes a free agent next year anyway.

Quoted from Posh Harry

It’s not that simple imo Bigdog. Every player has agreed to take a pay cut of 25%. If CV was not prepared to do that as part of his new deal which therefore makes him a free agent, then giving him what he wants could well cause a rift in the squad, a feeling of not being in this together which could do a lot more damage than him moving on. I would hardly describe a player that was on loan at Chorley part way through the season, been injury prone for the 2 years of his contract, has not shown much form when he has been involved, and then has a hot streak for a couple of months, a prized asset. Good player, potential to be better if continues to be injury free and could become something more valuable, but even if he signed for one more year, then he’s still not going to be able to command a big fee in January due to either a lack of games (who knows when next season will start or what it will look like) or people will just wait until he becomes a free agent next year anyway.

How would anyone know outside of the player, his agent and the board? A deal could have been done to include a 25% cut, faux or not. But yes, let's do the Grimsby thing and not invest. Let's not sign any player at all just in case he gets injured. Let's not prevent players getting to free agent status time and time again because we lack vision and tight as a badger's squeaky a-hole. Let's only cut costs and not look at bringing fresh capital in. CV had one injury in his two years with us and only got a decent run in the side after his loan spell. He's shown more than enough to be considered as a future saleable asset..

Quoted from Posh Harry

It’s not that simple imo Bigdog. Every player has agreed to take a pay cut of 25%. If CV was not prepared to do that as part of his new deal which therefore makes him a free agent, then giving him what he wants could well cause a rift in the squad, a feeling of not being in this together which could do a lot more damage than him moving on. I would hardly describe a player that was on loan at Chorley part way through the season, been injury prone for the 2 years of his contract, has not shown much form when he has been involved, and then has a hot streak for a couple of months, a prized asset. Good player, potential to be better if continues to be injury free and could become something more valuable, but even if he signed for one more year, then he’s still not going to be able to command a big fee in January due to either a lack of games (who knows when next season will start or what it will look like) or people will just wait until he becomes a free agent next year anyway.

Ollie, Anthony Limbrick and thousands of fans do not share you lukewarm assessment of CV. I saw him play his heart out for Chorley at Chesterfield in an attempt to prove Jolley wrong. AL recalled him instantly and the rest is history. CV, unlike Max, is not a product of Towns academy and has tasted life at bigger clubs in the Midlands. G.T.F.C. should have foreseen his vulnerability to outside offers in lockdown and been more proactive than a call to the EFL. The best we can hope for is a stay of his registration elsewhere whilst the legality of EFL advice is challenged. If we have nothing on paper re this 'advice' then it's a member up.

Meanwhile Ipswich Town without a pot to urine in given their losses and the owners refusal to loosen the purse strings have yesterday taken up their one year option on Jon Nolan, recognising him as an asset to be retained as long as possible.

It was only a few months ago that the board were making lip-quivering  justications re any takeover that the potential buyers should provide evidence of funds to protect the club in the event of a downturn in fortunes.. and rightly so. I would have expected that figure to be in the region of 1 to 2mill. That's pretty much the temporary blackhole we'll encounter right now which will in the most part be filled once we get going again. And this is the hypocrisy of it.. where is our current board's wherewithal to get us through this downturn in fortunes? That's the standard they set everyone else but it doesn't apply to them. Where is the club's protection? Where are the leaders? Closing their bunker doors and blaming everyone else including a player that they tried to chip 10 or 20k at most off his contract or the very least delay in paying him? But yes.. the fans who again have raised 100k for the club will pay the cost by missing out on watching Vernam play.

I'm waiting for the evidence of funds from our board. You can't set a standard without living up to it yourselves..Any other rich Town fans that could be asked to help out have been chased off in the past, so bridges burned there because there's never been a collegiate approach. And before people point to the JF loan, let's not get going down the non-league 3mill argument all over again. At any given moment in time, any board, present or future, in our own current board's words, should provide evidence of funds in the event of a downturn. Well.. where is it?

So clearly this thread has encouraged the same old uninformed critics out of their bolt holes having a pop at the club and spouting supposition about what has or hasn’t happened.

The club and the players recently made a decision on salaries that will help protect the club to the benefit of everyone on here regardless of who does and doesn’t turn out next season, this form of pragmatic collaboration should be applauded to be fair.

So in the current situation how could anyone who is involved in this scenario and thus knows the facts advocate one individual getting more money when all others have agreed to take less?

As for other clubs getting more investors well that’s great for them but considering the future is so uncertain some people clearly have money to burn.

Stop talking sense Herts,, otherwise they will have to ban you from the fishy😉

Quoted from Bigdog

I think the board have played this a little fast and loose with our most saleable asset and the player that gets fans out of their seats the most. Forget asking the EFL for advice to try and save a few quid, just get the job done at the pre-agreed contract wage level. To secure CV, what would it have cost the club over the period of non football? 20k, 30k or 50k? What were we trying to save by offering lower terms than agreed? 10k, 20k? Or just trying to delay in paying him the extra year? Was it worth the risk of losing a player that could be worth 50 times that if his form continued? Yet the player gets all the criticism for wanting to maximise his income and further his ambitions after being messed around and the club and IH wear the halo? Forget the current circumstances, our board have got form for letting our prized assets get away. Our default position cannot be cut, cut and cut again, it's akin to selling the club to an asset stripper. The board need to think and act quickly to get us out of this mindset and prevent these situations happening. Cutting costs is not the only play to be made, raising fresh investment is another..

You have the fine balance of the team unity too. It sounds like we took advice from the EFL and then tried to tie Vernam down for longer than a year rather than the one year extension. Speculating here but that could have been a 3 year deal with a pay cut but job security nonetheless and ensuring we get a fee if anyone comes in.

You can't just make exceptions to the collective agreement on pay cuts and pay over the odds because a player scored a great solo goal against Colchester. Holloway will have pitched to him why he wants him whilst his agent, family, friends and other clubs will have told him their own opinions. Max Wright, an academy graduate didn't just sign on the dotted line so it's not that simple.

See what happens. It's a short career and if I was being offered a decent pay rise for a couple of years right now, I would take it and footballers are no different.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

So clearly this thread has encouraged the same old uninformed critics out of their bolt holes having a pop at the club and spouting supposition about what has or hasn’t happened.

The club and the players recently made a decision on salaries that will help protect the club to the benefit of everyone on here regardless of who does and doesn’t turn out next season, this form of pragmatic collaboration should be applauded to be fair.

So in the current situation how could anyone who is involved in this scenario and thus knows the facts advocate one individual getting more money when all others have agreed to take less?

As for other clubs getting more investors well that’s great for them but considering the future is so uncertain some people clearly have money to burn.

I thought we know the facts. IH stated that the club had taken advice from the EFL and they suggested the club didn't have to exercise  the contract extension. Charles Vernam's agent said that as the club hadn't activated that extension in time he is now a free agent.

I think it is fair to ask why all of a sudden GTFC has decided to take a suggestion from the EFL about signing a player they say they wanted to keep.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I thought we know the facts. IH stated that the club had taken advice from the EFL and they suggested the club didn't have to exercise  the contract extension. Charles Vernam's agent said that as the club hadn't activated that extension in time he is now a free agent.

I think it is fair to ask why all of a sudden GTFC has decided to take a suggestion from the EFL about signing a player they say they wanted to keep.

Maybe you’ve answered your own question in that the club where seeking advice in regards to their obligation to the player to save them having to go against their current collective wage cut.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Maybe you’ve answered your own question in that the club where seeking advice in regards to their obligation to the player to save them having to go against their current collective wage cut.

But who in the EFL suggested the club didn't have to exercise that option yet? Was it from someone on the other end of the phone or someone with legal knowledge of contracts. I don't think the club response of "well the EFL told us so" is really good enough.

If the club may now follow with legal action as IH suggested in his interview how much would that cost?

Quoted from arryarryarry

I thought we know the facts. IH stated that the club had taken advice from the EFL and they suggested the club didn't have to exercise  the contract extension. Charles Vernam's agent said that as the club hadn't activated that extension in time he is now a free agent.

I think it is fair to ask why all of a sudden GTFC has decided to take a suggestion from the EFL about signing a player they say they wanted to keep.

In an RH interview with Matt Dean on June 4th, Phillip Day said that the EFL had advised players to wait for the outcome of a report from Deloittes before agreeing the 25% wage cut. The players opted to comply in the interests of the club. The law of unintended consequences and the agent jungle have bitten hard here. Philliip Day said we may have been the first EFL club to broker such a wage cut. How many clubs did this on top of the furlough arrangements?

All parties meant well but the contract implications are crucial to both losing players and our own potential signings of free agents. Have other cubs had similar problems over wage cuts or did they just rely on the furlough scheme?

The point with the finance is, why aren't the board buying £50k of shares each at this time, its either A they dont have any money or B they're a bunch of tight arses that dont care too much as long as they get a free dinner, drinks, a seat  and parking 30 times a year, If its [/b]A[b] then its time we enticed someone with money to buy into it like IH, there must be local businessmen with a little dosh to spare for a seat on the board, just don't let them know what happened with former directors like Parker,  :-/

Oldham's retained and released list on July 1st included five players under option who were retained on 'Covid 19 short term extensions'. The EFL brought this in to allow 2/3 month temporary extensions for players and clubs to sort things out. I have not heard Ollie's interview so don't know if this was part of discussions with any players let alone Vernam.

Accrington have decided to reduce the size of their squad and liabilities. Newly promoted Crewe have snapped up Zanzala from Accy and extended contracts of Kirk and Porter. They had wanted to keep Jamie Jones but he chose Lincoln. Crewe already planning to test all players and staff, costing thousands, and getting squad in for preseason. The supporters are buying season tickets like mad, Contrasting pictures from a few minutes googling!
Fenty and Day appear to be taking Accy's cautious view while Crewe are optimistic. Their model has served them well so far.

I haven't read the whole thread so apologies if this has been said above here, but surelyTown couldn't require a wage cut of 25% and then enforce a contract clause extending the contract by a year. The EFL advice seems like a red herring. Disappointing, but I don't see what the club could have done. Leave Vernam on full wages and extend his contract by year and then cut his wages by 25% - that was never going to happen. Nor was leave him on full wages, extend his contract and still leave him on full wages - what would the likes of James Mck think about that? It was a no-win situation for Town if a League 1 club is prepared to pay him more to play in an empty stadium...

Dead easy this, simple economics if nothing else you can’t increase your spending when you have next to nothing in income.

Until there is some clarity on when and how League 2 football will return I’m not sure we could justify brining in or extending anyone, that’s just my opinion.

Seriously prior to him going to Chorley, hardly pulling up any trees. He has 13 goals in 69 appearances in a town shirt, that's a ratio 1 goal in every 5.3 games.
So based on that one game against Colchester, he is the most sellable asset.

If the player wants to leave, so be it, not going to get my boxers in a twist, over a player not committed to GTFC, good luck to him and his agent.

When the timming is right for GTFC, in Holloway I trust to bring in a better calibre of player, we had on the books when Jolly and Slade were in charge.

We saw in glimpses what the Holloway contection can bring to Blundell Park.

All this about Crewe, Ipswich, Mansfield pushing the boat and going signing players, retaining players etc.

In the 2018/19 a team called Bury, splash the cash to get promoted to League 1, looked what happened to them, Bolton not so long ago were in the premiership, paying in League 2 when we start, now Swanny not splashing the cash at Scunny, they are back were they belong.

As I have said previously the most important person that needs to be retained is Mr Holloway.

Will he be able to wave the magic wand and get us promoted, who knows, I bet the football will be more entertaining that it has been over the last few years, based I what I have seen.

UTMM

Let's just hope that if any legal challenge against the EFL goes ahead, they don't use any of the monies raised through the sale of shares or crowdfunding. It ain't gonna be cheap, thats for sure.
It makes you wonder what Town would want from the EFL if they won the case. A sum equivalent to their valuation of CV? Get CV back under contract? A big wodge of cash for the ineptitude of the EFL?

Or is it best just to let it be. I personally think everyone is blaming each other. Two wrongs don't make a Wright (but at least he stays with Town)!

Absolutely spot on Yard Dog.

Agree with the DOG

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Dead easy this, simple economics if nothing else you can’t increase your spending when you have next to nothing in income.

Until there is some clarity on when and how League 2 football will return I’m not sure we could justify brining in or extending anyone, that’s just my opinion.

I think Lincoln signing the lad from Crewe states everything that is wrong with football. Last week they announce several redundancies of people who have worked for them loyally for a number of years the majority of which were not successful. However, as soon as a player they want is available the money is found to pay him. From what I have read town have tried to adopt an approach that allows us to maintain the employment of our support staff and this stance has been backed by the players wage cut.

I know which approach I prefer and if this means missing out on a decent L2 player currently available than so be it.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

I think Lincoln signing the lad from Crewe states everything that is wrong with football. Last week they announce several redundancies of people who have worked for them loyally for a number of years the majority of which were not successful. However, as soon as a player they want is available the money is found to pay him. From what I have read town have tried to adopt an approach that allows us to maintain the employment of our support staff and this stance has been backed by the players wage cut.

I know which approach I prefer and if this means missing out on a decent L2 player currently available than so be it.

I thought exactly that about Lincoln, there is a morality issue there and I think they should be ashamed.

Criticise our board all you like but we've always paid our dues. Go back to ITV Digital and we are one of the few troubled clubs to pay HMRC every penny.

Clubs are part of the community and you can't make long serving staff redundant and then find money to sign a player the following week. It absolutely stinks.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

I think Lincoln signing the lad from Crewe states everything that is wrong with football. Last week they announce several redundancies of people who have worked for them loyally for a number of years the majority of which were not successful. However, as soon as a player they want is available the money is found to pay him. From what I have read town have tried to adopt an approach that allows us to maintain the employment of our support staff and this stance has been backed by the players wage cut.

I know which approach I prefer and if this means missing out on a decent L2 player currently available than so be it.

Let's just hope our ticket office / shop staff, toilet cleaners and other back room staff are up to it when Holloway has to select them in the absence of enough players

I, for one, are proud of how Town have handled this.

Lincoln had redundancies to fund signing players.

We have not. Yes, we may not get the big names, but we have the most influential manager in the league, we are not down the sh**ter yet like some clubs, and we have an incredible support base who've raised 1000s.

Stop whinging that we may lose a winger, its happened before. We will be back stronger.

Theres loads of players who are desperate to play, and they'll be there for the picking by IH.

Think long term - we still have employees, we still have IH and we still have a club.

UTM

Plus, it is even more likely that our reputation as an incubator of talent (Henderson, Embleton) will mean teams will loan us their 'promising' players - I suspect Glennon will rejoin us.

I agree with the majority here - if CV wants to move on then good luck to the lad.

Having said that how much truth is there in the rumour that he's off to Burton - he may just be sitting on the fence & still sign for us if nothing better comes up?

Noticed that Benson was on the bench for Burnley last Sunday.

So his contract ended 30 June, who is paying him now? Unless he has signed and it has not been announced he is unemployed without a wage. Very scary time to be a footballer with no contract.
So, if a move to another club does not happen do we take him back with open arms, or say no as his commitment to Town is lacking?

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

So his contract ended 30 June, who is paying him now? Unless he has signed and it has not been announced he is unemployed without a wage. Very scary time to be a footballer with no contract.
So, if a move to another club does not happen do we take him back with open arms, or say no as his commitment to Town is lacking?

Anyone out of contract on 30th June and without a club gets paid by their old club until 31st July so it's not quite panic stations but it's definitely squeaky bum time.

We don't know what the reason was for not taking up the option before the deadline.
But it is now what it is. Footballers are not fans they will go where it suits them - usually finance related.
CV is no different - I hope we have left the offer on the table & to not take him back if he doesn't get a better offer would be as the adage goes - like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Rock On.

I believe that he has a house in the Derby area, and stays with his family in Caistor. If that is the case then he would save a fair amount in travelling, so Burton wouldn't have to offer him much more than us to make it viable.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

Criticise our board all you like but we've always paid our dues. Go back to ITV Digital and we are one of the few troubled clubs to pay HMRC every penny.

Clubs are part of the community and you can't make long serving staff redundant and then find money to sign a player the following week. It absolutely stinks.

It's the performance of the players / team that keeps the long serving staff in a job

Quoted from Ipswin

It's the performance of the players / team that keeps the long serving staff in a job

Well given that you may wish to clarify how that applies in action given Lincoln have been filling their ground for three seasons on the bounce, have had a cup run bringing in over £2m, promotion, a successful trip to Wembley and have already sold 4000 season tickets for next season?

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Well given that you may wish to clarify how that applies in action given Lincoln have been filling their ground for three seasons on the bounce, have had a cup run bringing in over £2m, promotion, a successful trip to Wembley and have already sold 4000 season tickets for next season?

So you are saying that Lincoln have money, it's even more disgusting to make long term employees redundant, then sign a player.
I understand a player, has more financial benefit, than office staff, just does not sit well with me.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

So you are saying that Lincoln have money, it's even more disgusting to make long term employees redundant, then sign a player.
I understand a player, has more financial benefit, than office staff, just does not sit well with me.

How can a club pull the wonderful community spirit card having done this? £2m from a cup run and filling your ground every week is a perfect opportunity to put some money to one side for a rainy day.

It just stinks and I am sure a few Lincoln fans will be disgusted by this too.

Quoted from The Yard Dog

So you are saying that Lincoln have money, it's even more disgusting to make long term employees redundant, then sign a player.
I understand a player, has more financial benefit, than office staff, just does not sit well with me.

I was responding in the main to Swin’s point that success in getting players keep back room staff in jobs. The problem at Lincoln is that they have invested heavily in player wages to get their success. A number of players were on in excess of £4K per week and some of these, Bostock, Frecklington and Shackell have been released but others remain on the books and are I would expect using up any income received from their season ticket sales. They have in addition to their playing success had considerable investment from South African businessmen and the recent ground sponsorship from LNER.

Given that situation I reluctantly have to recognise and envy their success but believe their recent actions have tainted that image in making locals redundant whilst still committing to a new players wages.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

I was responding in the main to Swin’s point that success in getting players keep back room staff in jobs. The problem at Lincoln is that they have invested heavily in player wages to get their success. A number of players were on in excess of £4K per week and some of these, Bostock, Frecklington and Shackell have been released but others remain on the books and are I would expect using up any income received from their season ticket sales. They have in addition to their playing success had considerable investment from South African businessmen and the recent ground sponsorship from LNER.

Given that situation I reluctantly have to recognise and envy their success but believe their recent actions have tainted that image in making locals redundant whilst still committing to a new players wages.

Did Lincoln ask players to take a cut of 25%, a wage deferral or just furlough?

Quoted from Croxton

Did Lincoln ask players to take a cut of 25%, a wage deferral or just furlough?

Furlough is limited to £2500 a month, so players at Lincoln, for example, would lose a significant amount of money being furloughed. That why players are not furloughed.

Quoted from Croxton

Did Lincoln ask players to take a cut of 25%, a wage deferral or just furlough?

If they did nothing has been reported locally so doubt very much that they have.

Quoted from mimma

Furlough is limited to £2500 a month, so players at Lincoln, for example, would lose a significant amount of money being furloughed. That why players are not furloughed.

Players can still be furloughed however clubs need to make up the difference due to the players contracts. So each club will get a max of £2500 per player and then has to pay anything over that per month that the player is due.

Vernam has confirmed on Instagram that he's leaving.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CClh-qCJ6Gh/

Quoted from MarinerDevil

Vernam has confirmed on Instagram that he's leaving.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CClh-qCJ6Gh/

Oh wonderful.

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Interesting to read Ollie's opinion on CV.

“It is very similar with Charles – I love that he played so wonderfully well for a few games while I was in charge."

Obviously not that blown away with CV other than for those few games. Maybe he didn't put him on top of the pedestal as much as we thought he had.

Not that worried about him going,, was only average with the odd good game thrown in and often injured.. So moving up a league will improve his wages but wear his shorts out bench warming .Imo he is not league 1 standard and will soon be found out

Quoted from denni266

Not that worried about him going,, was only average with the odd good game thrown in and often injured.. So moving up a league will improve his wages but wear his shorts out bench warming .Imo he is not league 1 standard and will soon be found out

I think that's harsh.  He'd found his feet here and he was our most exciting player.  There aren't many players at L2 level who could have scored THAT goal at Colchester, for example.  A big loss for us.

There is certainly a player in there but he only really performed for us a handful of times. He was probably restricted under the previous regime and Holloway took the chains off but he knows better than anyone that in 6 months time, the only football he could be able to play might be at the bottom of the National League, so you have to grasp an opportunity when it comes along.

Vernam and Clarke leaving gives Max an opportunity and Tilley should get a run of games now too.

One of the few players in the last three years who could take on defenders and attack the box. If we had played a slightly higher tempo through midfield in some home games instead of sideways across the back then Charles would have had more opportunities. Our style of playing long diagonal passes to forwards with their back to goal and a giant defender in attendance was a limitation our coaches put on his ability. Max will suffer a similar fate unless we can find the right blend in midfield.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

There is certainly a player in there but he only really performed for us a handful of times. He was probably restricted under the previous regime and Holloway took the chains off but he knows better than anyone that in 6 months time, the only football he could be able to play might be at the bottom of the National League, so you have to grasp an opportunity when it comes along.

Vernam and Clarke leaving gives Max an opportunity and Tilley should get a run of games now too.

That's why I think it's a big gamble for him to leave. Holloway will play football to his strengths and wanted him to be an important part of the team. I don't know what football Burton play, but if he isn't given the right service, we've seen how anonymous he can be.

I suppose a higher level and a bit more money is tempting, but I think a year of playing the way he did for those few games would have opened up bigger opportunities for him.

Very disappointed he's gone.  It's not just the Colchester game, he was peerless for quite a few games post Xmas, in fact it was in the Scunny home derby where he seemed to have found his bite and never looked back.  Bradford away he was incredible and was a real feeling that whenever he got the ball something was about to happen.  In every sense of the world a confidence player and one who had he maintained anything like his post Xmas form would, in my opinion, have proved to be one of the very best players in this division.

That all said, he's just one player.  We've had key players leave before and we've replaced them.  Remember the absolute meltdown when Carl Magnay left, we ended up replacing him with a player in Richard Tait who was even better.

Torn between feelings on how the club has handled this.  On one hand they've gone with the FL advice and who would go against what your governing body advises?  Then again this is the FL and I'd be reluctant to trust their advice on a bus timetable, never mind the legalities of contract extensions.

Completely unprecedented times, there really isn't any previous examples where you can reference for what to do here.  It's unfortunately one of those things.  Town were caught on the hop by the situation and in all honesty it's played nicely into the hands of a player and his agent.  Can't blame Vernam for wanting to better himself, be it professionally or financially.  Slightly disappointed as we've supported him for 2 years when he's spent a lot of that injured, under the guidance of Holloway and Limbrick he's rebuilt himself, his confidence and his reputation.  But that's football.

What goes against the clubs handling of this is that they've got so much previous for making a member up of contracts.  Danny Butterfield anyone?  I think they were between a rock and a hard place here.  It's only recently that a return has been on the cards for Town, even still not knowing under what guise and how the finances are going to work.  We're not cash rich so it would have been foolish to start chucking new contracts out.  Flip of that is what it worth the gamble on extending Vernam's contract when we had the chance for the sake of getting maybe another 6 months out of him playing next season?

No right and no wrong answers as I see it.  Just very unfortunate.  

Quoted from pen penfras

That's why I think it's a big gamble for him to leave. Holloway will play football to his strengths and wanted him to be an important part of the team. I don't know what football Burton play, but if he isn't given the right service, we've seen how anonymous he can be.

I suppose a higher level and a bit more money is tempting, but I think a year of playing the way he did for those few games would have opened up bigger opportunities for him.

We don't know the details and probably never will but if he has trebled his money on a 2 year deal, it probably sets him up for life.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

We don't know the details and probably never will but if he has trebled his money on a 2 year deal, it probably sets him up for life.

I thought he was signing for Burton not Barcelona.

Quoted from jamesgtfc

We don't know the details and probably never will but if he has trebled his money on a 2 year deal, it probably sets him up for life.

I'd be amazed if he's on more than £2k a week. No way is he set up for life playing 2 years in league 1

As usual diehardmariner sums it up perfectly.  You can’t deny any player wanting to play at a better level or earn more - certainly in this day and age - so good luck to him in that respect.

On the other hand - is a shame when people within club and colleagues have helped ‘resurrect’ his career, and given him the opportunity. Would have been nice to see him stay for a season, or even part of - sure it would’ve benefitted him and the club. But guess with all the uncertainty of these times, agents role etc - as said, you have to respect his position and wish him well.

I doubt there’s a single person on here who would turn down the opportunity of doubling their wages at the minute if they were offered it . Football is a job to these guys, not a passion like us fans .

Am I the only one that preferred his goal against Stevenage to the one against Colchester?

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

I doubt there’s a single person on here who would turn down the opportunity of doubling their wages at the minute if they were offered it . Football is a job to these guys, not a passion like us fans .

Agreed, but how are clubs like Burton planning on paying these wages when they, and we, have no clear guidance on when, or if, football will return?  Seems a hell of a gamble to me.  But football never learns, the majority of clubs will learn nothing from this.

Philip Day discussing CV:

https://twitter.com/mattdeanbbc/status/1282998802694262784

Quoted from Heisenberg

Agreed, but how are clubs like Burton planning on paying these wages when they, and we, have no clear guidance on when, or if, football will return?  Seems a hell of a gamble to me.  But football never learns, the majority of clubs will learn nothing from this.

Why does everyone think that every single club is following the GTFC financial model of only cutting to the barest bones possible while hoping for a handout and not keeping their best players? It's not the only option for an EFL club. Some are attracting fresh investment, some owners are plugging the temporary financial gap so their clubs don't fall so far behind that it will take years to catch up. What also worries me is that BC and CV don't share Ollie's vision. That's one player that's thrived playing under him and previously stated he was looking forward to next season and the other is in IH's own words,  a mate, and we couldn't offer JH anything. Surely some alarm bells should be ringing by now?

In a Manchester based radio interview the other day, post the Wigan fiasco, Philip Day was putting forward a very good proposal that new owners of football clubs should pay a bond to the value of two year's overheads before taking over. A very good proposal yet perversely PD and his board of directors aren't currently practising what they preach at all, not covering our own overheads, and are letting our better players slip through their fingers and Ollie can't convince them to stay even though he's been working with them already. It's going to be even harder for him trying to sell that vision to the better out of contract players on offer that he hasn't any history with.

I'm just surprised that so many fans seem fairly relaxed with how things are at GTFC, or is it just reluctant resignation?

We are not cutting everything to the barest bones as you infer, we are living within our means. There's a big difference.  Burton by virtue of having been playing at a higher level than us, having several good cup runs, have generated a bigger income than us.

What alternative do you suggest, preferably one that doesn't risk financial ruin?

Said from the start that we can't offer a player a contract whilst the core of our squad sit there without 25% of their wages. We made Vernam an offer that included a 25% wage cut for the same period as everyone else.

Can you imagine the unrest if we extended his contract and told him he wouldn't have a pay cut like everyone else?

The core of our squad is alright. There are a few clubs making moves but not too many. I think once the Premier League, Championship and National League is resolved in the next few weeks we will have more clarity about what the future holds.

Quoted from mimma

We are not cutting everything to the barest bones as you infer, we are living within our means. There's a big difference.  Burton by virtue of having been playing at a higher level than us, having several good cup runs, have generated a bigger income than us.

What alternative do you suggest, preferably one that doesn't risk financial ruin?

You move heaven and earth to improve our means..

Quoted from Bigdog

You move heaven and earth to improve our means..

By doing whatever it takes to secure a player or 2 and risk upsetting 11 others?

How do we move heaven and earth then bigdog?

It's easy to say, I would suggest that in the current economic climate we find ourselves in, it is much harder to achieve. We are not blessed with multi millionaires in NE Lincs, willing to invest millions on a small provincial club. We are not blessed with massive global companies on our doorstep looking to invest in the local economy. In short, this area doesn't have the money of big cities. We are skint.

Quoted from mimma

How do we move heaven and earth then bigdog?

It's easy to say, I would suggest that in the current economic climate we find ourselves in, it is much harder to achieve. We are not blessed with multi millionaires in NE Lincs, willing to invest millions on a small provincial club. We are not blessed with massive global companies on our doorstep looking to invest in the local economy. In short, this area doesn't have the money of big cities. We are skint.

Well I would hope that there has been a re-engagement with anyone who has a chance, remote or not, to improve the club's temporary financial standing..

I'm agreeing with Philip Day, owners should provide a bond of two year's overheads in the case of a downturn in a club's fortunes. If he lived up to the standards he sets for others we wouldn't be in this mess of saving 20k or so with player wage cuts which then hamstrings us from holding onto our best players never mind signing any new ones. Our board can't come up with less than 100k between then to avoid a wage cut and hang onto probably our best three players , BC, CV and JH, to keep the semblance of a promising squad together. I don't expect new signings even though around 15 EFL clubs are making them already, but by Philip Day's standards he is publicly setting for anyone in the future, as a fan, I'd have expected him to find the means to hang onto three of my favourite players at the club. I'm more than happy for the club to be cutting it's cloth accordingly at present as long as it's actively looking for new cloths to help out the tatty well worn out rag we're using..

Quoted from jamesgtfc

By doing whatever it takes to secure a player or 2 and risk upsetting 11 others?

The die had been cast well before any negotiations took place..

Even top clubs have problems keeping their best players,  not just us. Sometimes it's more to do with location, like Clark for example. If you raise the salaries then you just raise the bar at which they leave. Every player has a price. Neymar at Barcelona,  Ronaldo at Real for example. You can only go so far, but if a player wants out, just get the best possible deal you can.

good luck to vernon..hope he does well..short career and all that

thanks for the memory

Even if he was doubling his salary, it is not as simple as that.  Nothing is certain.

He could suffer a bad injury, sustained loss of form or just not cut it at a higher level. The new club could go bust or a manager uses different tactics that do not suit him.

A loss of confidence as well can easily result in being released by the club.  We have seen examples of players ending up playing below the league status of GTFC.

A good player can be a big fish in a small pond, or try his luck in a bigger pond for more reward (and more risk).  Each player makes his own choice.

Quoted from marinerjase

As usual diehardmariner sums it up perfectly.  You can’t deny any player wanting to play at a better level or earn more - certainly in this day and age - so good luck to him in that respect.

On the other hand - is a shame when people within club and colleagues have helped ‘resurrect’ his career, and given him the opportunity. Would have been nice to see him stay for a season, or even part of - sure it would’ve benefitted him and the club. But guess with all the uncertainty of these times, agents role etc - as said, you have to respect his position and wish him well.

Up until Limbrick took caretaker control his GTFC career was pretty much a disaster for him, injured, hardly got a run in the team, not exactly prolific and ultimately getting loaned out so i dont think other than being fairly local he would feel he owes anyone here or feels any loyalty. Limbrick brought him back in, Holloway benefitted from that and he has been able to put himself in the shop window to get a pay rise/ better deal where he may actually feel he would get the proper chance he may feel he didnt get here.

Good luck to him, i think part of his revival also coincided playing with a better pedigree of player, Glennon/ Benson/Clarke so a step up may actually suit him really well.

Quoted from Boris Johnson

good luck to vernon..hope he does well..short career and all that

thanks for the memory

VERNAM!!!! Just look at the post's title!

Quoted from moosey_club

Up until Limbrick took caretaker control his GTFC career was pretty much a disaster for him, injured, hardly got a run in the team, not exactly prolific and ultimately getting loaned out so i dont think other than being fairly local he would feel he owes anyone here or feels any loyalty. Limbrick brought him back in, Holloway benefitted from that and he has been able to put himself in the shop window to get a pay rise/ better deal where he may actually feel he would get the proper chance he may feel he didnt get here.

Good luck to him, i think part of his revival also coincided playing with a better pedigree of player, Glennon/ Benson/Clarke so a step up may actually suit him really well.

I don't think Jolley knew how to play him.

Basicly it looks like Ollie wont get chance to sign the best players around if we don't take a chance and forget the wage cut before we have a starting date/rescue package, Plenty of clubs are renewing contracts or signing new players such as  (typical example Port Fale  who dont have a pot to p in).  (So far a Grimsby fan has renewed with us.   New chairman yes,  same old shambolic penny pinching yes,  quality core squad, you've got to be kidding!

And maybe they are jumping in too soon and panic buying. The championship hasn't ended yet, when it does there will be a lot of good players looking for clubs.

We have a very experienced manager, who is a canny operator in the transfer market.  Can't you trust him FFS.

Quoted from mimma

And maybe they are jumping in too soon and panic buying. The championship hasn't ended yet, when it does there will be a lot of good players looking for clubs.

We have a very experienced manager, who is a canny operator in the transfer market.  Can't you trust him FFS.

So Charles Vernam and Billy Clarke don't trust IH's vision or accept our paltry wage offers yet you expect us to sign Championship standard players. I have to admire your blind faith optimism Mimma..

So the earlier blaming of the EFL has proved to be a red herring, it comes down to money, we made him an offer on reduced terms which gives him freedom to go were he likes.
Having read the rules the club have decided they dont have a leg to stand on to go to tribunal. If only we had someone on the board who knew their way around legal documents, law, contracts etc.....            (Confused)

I am not advocating breaking the bank to sign a player with the record and stats of Vernam but surely we need to be a little bit savvy to consider he may well be looking to better himself anyway so at least offer a contract not on reduced terms,  just to protect ourselves from him just walking for free.  If he was going to go anyway then any equal or improved offer wouldnt have actually cost us a penny and may indeed have actually given us some income.

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So Charles Vernam and Billy Clarke don't trust IH's vision or accept our paltry wage offers yet you expect us to sign Championship standard players. I have to admire your blind faith optimism Mimma..[/quote

Vernam lives in the Derby area. Clarke live near Bradford. Just maybe it's down to travelling to and fro rather than not trusting Ollie's vision.

If, as a Town fan, I can't be optimistic this coming season with Ollie in charge, then I might as well give up and go to effing Asdas on a Saturday afternoon.

Quoted from mimma

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So Charles Vernam and Billy Clarke don't trust IH's vision or accept our paltry wage offers yet you expect us to sign Championship standard players. I have to admire your blind faith optimism Mimma..[/quote

Vernam lives in the Derby area. Clarke live near Bradford. Just maybe it's down to travelling to and fro rather than not trusting Ollie's vision.

If, as a Town fan, I can't be optimistic this coming season with Ollie in charge, then I might as well give up and go to effing Asdas on a Saturday afternoon.

or....... its the wages.

I think in the case of Vernam it feels harder to swallow given his up turn in form since Jolley got the boot. Up until that point he was pretty irrelevant, huff and puff and little else.

I mean it’s got all the hallmarks of the usual GTFC member up but also, a player has simply been offered what they consider a excrement wage, likely to be offered a higher wage elsewhere so has opted for that option.

I’m not sure it’s about whether or not they buy in to what Holloway is doing. In some respects, given the current situation in football, securing as much money as possible is probably a bigger motivating factor than anything else. Time will tell if Holloway is the success so many think he’ll be but players naturally come and go. Have we copulated up not trying to keep Vernam, probably, but like every summer, there’ll be players out there. It’s hardly like the urine poor contract offer for Amond etc.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Basicly it looks like Ollie wont get chance to sign the best players around if we don't take a chance and forget the wage cut before we have a starting date/rescue package, Plenty of clubs are renewing contracts or signing new players such as  (typical example Port Fale  who dont have a pot to p in).  (So far a Grimsby fan has renewed with us.   New chairman yes,  same old shambolic penny pinching yes,  quality core squad, you've got to be kidding!

Port Vale have got new owners, haven't they?

Quoted from mimma

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So Charles Vernam and Billy Clarke don't trust IH's vision or accept our paltry wage offers yet you expect us to sign Championship standard players. I have to admire your blind faith optimism Mimma..[/quote

Vernam lives in the Derby area. Clarke live near Bradford. Just maybe it's down to travelling to and fro rather than not trusting Ollie's vision.

If, as a Town fan, I can't be optimistic this coming season with Ollie in charge, then I might as well give up and go to effing Asdas on a Saturday afternoon.

Vernam lives in Lincoln. Beyond that, you can't expect anyone in the current climate to turn down a pay rise. It's disappointing that other clubs seem to already be doing business as if they know more than we do. Hopefully there will soon be some clarity about what's happening about next and we can start putting a squad together.

Quoted from Son of Cod

Port Vale have got new owners, haven't they?

Yes and they still dont have a pot to p in, They are a couple of local fans called Shanahan with an IT business, they are very well off but dont have silly money to throw at it (net worth probably much lower than Fenty) and like us they are running it without adding debt.

I have an unerring thought that Ollie will find a striker who will score 20+ goals for us this season.

If Ollies reputation in the game is as good as everyone makes out, and following on from his claim when he first came to Town, that he had players contacting him saying they would play for free under him, it gives hope that, yes, we may not be able to offer the worlds best wages, but if the salary cap is put in place, then all teams in our league can only spend X amount, so you'd hope that Ollie's draw, as opposed to many unknown Managers with little experience or charisma, might bring in some semblance of quality.

Vern am has gone. It’s over. We should hope for better news ahead and stop looking backwards.

At which point will we be getting excited about new signings, 22nd July or 6th October :)

Quoted from Madeleymariner

At which point will we be getting excited about new signings, 22nd July or 6th October :)

[url]https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2020/july/dates-for-2020-summer-transfer-window-confirmed[/url]

Indeed, unless by publicaly saying players are on 25% pay cut we have priced ourselves out of the better player hopefully not.

The EFL has today confirmed the opening and closing dates for the 2020 summer transfer window.

Subject to formal ratification, the transfer window will open fully on Monday 27 July, although any player registered before the completion of the 2019/20 season will not be eligible to play for their new Club until season 2020/21 commences. This is applicable to Clubs involved in the Sky Bet Championship Play-Offs.


The window for international registrations closes at 11pm on Monday 5 October, with an agreement in place with the Premier League for an extended two-week domestic only window which will close at 5pm on Friday 16 October.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

At which point will we be getting excited about new signings, 22nd July or 6th October :)

With our track record, the 12th of Never :)

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Yes and they still dont have a pot to p in, They are a couple of local fans called Shanahan with an IT business, they are very well off but dont have silly money to throw at it (net worth probably much lower than Fenty) and like us they are running it without adding debt.

Shanahans have a combined worth of £39,263,427 - 74 p     J.S.F. has £39,263,427 - 73p  so I am afraid you are not correct. Only the true facts should be published and no false rumours.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Yes and they still dont have a pot to p in, They are a couple of local fans called Shanahan with an IT business, they are very well off but dont have silly money to throw at it (net worth probably much lower than Fenty) and like us they are running it without adding debt.

Shanahans have a combined worth of £39,263,427 - 74 p     J.S.F. has £39,263,427 - 73p  so I am afraid you are not correct. Only the true facts should be published and no false rumours.

Your repeating yourself golfer  ;D  besides you are wrong, as JSF got a good part ex on his car he has £39,263,627 - 74p

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Your repeating yourself golfer  ;D  besides you are wrong, as JSF got a good part ex on his car he has £39,263,627 - 74p

Not likely, it’s got that big scratch, remember? He told us about it whilst alienating the fans?

Quoted from mimma

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So Charles Vernam and Billy Clarke don't trust IH's vision or accept our paltry wage offers yet you expect us to sign Championship standard players. I have to admire your blind faith optimism Mimma..[/quote

Vernam lives in the Derby area. Clarke live near Bradford. Just maybe it's down to travelling to and fro rather than not trusting Ollie's vision.

If, as a Town fan, I can't be optimistic this coming season with Ollie in charge, then I might as well give up and go to effing Asdas on a Saturday afternoon.

I worked in Hull for a year, but took a pay cut to come back to Grimsby.
took an hour to get there, and an hour and half to get back with traffic.
I have 2 youngs boys, who i was losing time with
Cost 3x as much on fuel.

Sometimes, its more that just who your employer is, and what they pay you

I did my M.A. at Hull and did placement with Humberside Probation became acquaint with Hull's finest.  

Quoted from friskneymariner

I did my M.A. at Hull and did placement with Humberside Probation became acquaint with Hull's finest.  

Feckin hell, all that education to end up in a completely pointless job🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Hope you've found summat worthwhile to do now👍

It's official....

Charles Vernam signs for Burton Albion:

https://www.burtonalbionfc.co.uk/news/2020/july/2007---burton-albion-sign-forward-charles-vernam/

Interesting quote from their Manager

"it’s going to be up to Charles to secure his place this season"

So he hasn't been bought to go straight into the first team. He might not play a single game all season if he doesn't pick his game up to speed or standard of League 1

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Interesting quote from their Manager

"it’s going to be up to Charles to secure his place this season"

So he hasn't been bought to go straight into the first team. He might not play a single game all season if he doesn't pick his game up to speed or standard of League 1

He might not be too fussed either way having secured a 2 yr deal on improved terms at this testing time. Good luck to him and i hope he tears through that Division next year....especially when he faces Hull  ;D

Now that it’s been settled I just want to see some update from the club as to where we’re at financially and what the transfer policy is going to be.

A lot of squads seem to be building at the minute and we don’t even seem close to even starting which is worrying, especially given very few other clubs have made the wage cuts we have.

Quoted from WayneBurnettsJockstrap

Interesting quote from their Manager

"it’s going to be up to Charles to secure his place this season"

So he hasn't been bought to go straight into the first team. He might not play a single game all season if he doesn't pick his game up to speed or standard of League 1

Sounds like standard manager talk to me. Surely that quote applies to the whole squad?

Sad to see him go... all the best to him though!! :)

Quoted from pontoonlew

Now that it’s been settled I just want to see some update from the club as to where we’re at financially and what the transfer policy is going to be.

A lot of squads seem to be building at the minute and we don’t even seem close to even starting which is worrying, especially given very few other clubs have made the wage cuts we have.

Don’t get your hopes up. Remember those weird statements mid lockdown, may be it’s just me but they read very much like we shouldn’t be getting our hopes up. They didn’t seem cautious more that the ambition is still lacking somewhat.

I’m not suggesting for a minute that it would be sensible going out and just spunking cash, especially given that the only obvious cash that has gone in/will go in in the last few weeks is crowd funder money. It just seemed like Day/the club were getting their excuses in early for a potentially excrement season.

I know people will say we have Holloway and that seems to be enough for some to indicate we’ll have a good season but he still needs to bring players in. Time will tell I guess, I’m sure he has targets and as I said, it’s understandable that we wouldn’t go nuts just yet, we don’t even have a start date, I just hope we don’t miss the boat on some players...

I wish Vernam all the best, seemed to come alive once Jolley had gone, I guess for Burton the fear would be what if he returns to the player that showed all the potential but didn’t deliver when Jolley was here...

I want to be fighting at the top as much as anyone but if we play our cards right, we could have a mid-table season but with lots of our young talent getting games.

Once fans are allowed in, the first thing we need to do is get Pollock tied down because it would be unforgivable if he left for nothing next summer.

Ollie won't settle for us being lower half of the table  he will bring in loan players who will be better than what we have.

He said himself he has many contacts around the world as well as this country so I expect us to be better off than most L2 clubs.

There will be very few clubs splashing the cash this season.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Ollie won't settle for us being lower half of the table  he will bring in loan players who will be better than what we have.

He said himself he has many contacts around the world as well as this country so I expect us to be better off than most L2 clubs.

There will be very few clubs splashing the cash this season.

It's the usual suspects splashing the cash and it never works for Mansfailed. Bolton seem to be splashing the cash. You would think they would realise that is part of the reason they are down here now.