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Posted by: crusty ole pie, March 2, 2020, 12:42pm

Businessman behind Grimsby Town takeover bid makes donation to Lisa Nandy's Labour leadership campaign
London-based businessman Tom Shutes has been a prominent but low-profile figure in the regeneration of Grimsby

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Businessman and philanthropist Tom Shutes has donated £15,000 towards Lisa Nandy's campaign to become the next Labour Party leader
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A businessman who wanted to take over Grimsby Town Football Club has donated £15,000 to Lisa Nandy's campaign to be the next Labour leader.

Tom Shutes was thought to be close to buying the club last year but the deal fell through and the club's majority shareholder, John Fenty, has since confirmed it is no longer for sale.

London-based businessman and philanthropist Mr Shutes has been a prominent but low-profile figure in the regeneration of Grimsby, playing a key role in the Town Deal which aims to revive huge swathes of abandoned industrial areas of the town.


I WONDER IF THE TOWN TURNING BLUE WAS THE REASON HE PULLEDOUT
Posted by: Southwark Mariner, March 2, 2020, 12:49pm; Reply: 1
I guess if they're turning blue it's a good reason to pull out
Posted by: crusty ole pie, March 2, 2020, 12:57pm; Reply: 2
Quoted from Southwark Mariner
I guess if they're turning blue it's a good reason to pull out


Laugh out loud just realised what I wrote
Posted by: Teestogreen, March 2, 2020, 2:21pm; Reply: 3
Press release
Grimsby town centre receives multi-million pound regeneration boost
Communities Secretary announces over £3.5 million of government funding for Grimsby, including £2.2 million of new investment for its landmark Town Deal.
Published 2 March 2020
From:
Ministry of Housing, Communities & Local Government, Simon Clarke MP, and The Rt Hon Robert Jenrick MP



Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick visits Grimsby to announce over £3.5 million of new investment for the town
Total investment now over £90 million to help reach targets of over 8,000 new jobs and nearly 10,000 new homes in Grimsby
On top of this, Grimsby is able to bid for up to £25 million under the Towns Fund
The Communities Secretary continues his tour of all 100 places benefitting from the £3.6 billion Towns Fund  
Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick today (2 March 2020) announced over £3.5 million of government funding for Grimsby, including £2.2 million of new investment for the next phase of its landmark Town Deal.
In addition, the Humber Local Enterprise Partnership (LEP) has awarded £1.3 million, provided through the government’s local growth fund program.
The additional investment brings the total commitment of public and private funding to over £90 million to deliver ambitious targets of over 8,000 new jobs and nearly 10,000 new homes in Grimsby through the UK’s first Town Deal.
On top of this, Grimsby will also still have the opportunity to bid for up to £25 million as part of the £3.6 billion Towns Fund.
On his tour of Grimsby, Mr Jenrick learned how the money will fund work to boost footfall in Grimsby town centre, by providing a high-quality replacement pedestrian footbridge over the River Freshney and improve the attractiveness of the strategic Garth Lane site to potential investors.
The investment will also fund highway improvements to Frederick Ward Way, giving pedestrians greater access to the town centre from Garth Lane.
Communities Secretary Rt Hon Robert Jenrick MP said:
The Grimsby Town Deal has already provided millions of pounds of investment to support local plans to develop Grimsby town centre and help business to create more high quality jobs. I’m pleased to announce the next phase of funding today.
Grimsby is leading the way and we want to replicate this deal in over 100 towns that will benefit from this government’s £3.6 billion Towns Fund – which will also fund further projects in Grimsby.
We want to level-up all parts of the country, ensuring that opportunity and prosperity is available to all and we unleash the potential of the Midlands and the North.
Simon Clarke MP, Minister of State, Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government said:
Town Deals are a key part of this government’s strategy to grow our regional economies.
Towns like Grimsby have a proud history as the birthplaces of industry, and it is right that they lead the way in levelling up prosperity across our nation.
Cllr Philip Jackson, Leader of North East Lincolnshire Council said:
We’re delighted to have made further progress on our ambitions to deliver the Town Deal and grateful to government for working with us to help deliver these schemes and get spades on the ground. This announcement further cements the government’s belief in what we’re doing in Grimsby.
The Town Deal is acting as a catalyst to unlock a much wider regeneration programme for Grimsby town centre and the Port of Grimsby. It has the potential to realise new commercial, cultural, leisure and residential opportunities on the port and on under-used land around Alexandra Dock.
Delivering the Town Deal will bring about major changes for north east Lincolnshire and help to deliver a brighter future for our residents and businesses.
Lord Haskins, Chair of the Humber LEP, said:
We very much welcome the announcement of the third phase of the Grimsby Town Deal.
The continuation of the commitment by government to work with businesses and the local authority to further the regeneration of Grimsby is extremely positive news.
The Humber LEP are pleased to support the development of Frederick Ward Way as part of the Town Deal, with £1.3 million allocated from the Local Growth Fund to support highway improvements on Garth Lane, which will in turn help unlock potential in Grimsby town centre.
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The ground-breaking Greater Grimsby Town Deal was launched on 5 July 2018 beginning a stronger relationship between central government and local partners.
The government’s Future High Streets Fund will also support and fund local areas’ plans to make their high streets and town centres fit for the future.
Grimsby is one of over 100 places benefitting from the £3.6 billion Towns Fund. The towns eligible for the support include places with proud industrial and economic heritage but have not always benefited from economic growth in the same way as more prosperous areas.
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Must be good?
Posted by: Perkins, March 2, 2020, 3:44pm; Reply: 4
Good Grief can anyone else be remotely ars*d to read that.
Posted by: Teestogreen, March 2, 2020, 4:15pm; Reply: 5
Well Perkins - unless you'd read it - you wouldn't know what it said 8)
Posted by: rancido, March 2, 2020, 5:27pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Perkins
Good Grief can anyone else be remotely ars*d to read that.


You would  if your have even the slightest interest in the development of Grimsby and the impact it may  have on our new ground.
Posted by: dapperz fun pub, March 2, 2020, 6:53pm; Reply: 7
I’ve been reading this type of thing for forty odd years , and virtually nothing as changed ... Action not words please
Posted by: fishboyUTM, March 2, 2020, 7:12pm; Reply: 8
At least John Fenty is a blue. Last thing you want is some socialist div running the club. And by backing that crackpot, he is clearly a commie.
Posted by: moosey_club, March 2, 2020, 7:30pm; Reply: 9
So in a nutshell ;

we have been awarded some monies to build a footbridge between Garth Lane and the town centre to increase footfall into the town centre......funny cos when i look at Garth Lane there is currently absolutley fook all there, certainly no people or footfall and there are currently 3 bridges from that area already in place leading to and from the town centre.... fcking superb job NE Lincs council   (clap2)

or is this additional footbridge in anticipation of the nail bar/youth club/zip line development being finished some time in the next ten years and being a magnet for 1000's of people flooding to come and see it from the increasingly deserted Freshney Place ?

Millions being wasted in my eyes.
Posted by: Perkins, March 2, 2020, 7:51pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Teestogreen
Well Perkins - unless you'd read it - you wouldn't know what it said 8)


Actually I did read it. The point I was making was that instead of a long and rambling cut and paste job a couple of paragraphs outlining the more salient points would have sufficed.
I doubt if the majority of the content will actually benefit the good folk of our town, I cant remember much that has over the years. It's certainly not going to improve many people's lives in deprived areas. Heard it all before, remember the million quid spent on the so called Kasbah that no one had heard of before, know anyone who's been to have a look? Anyway most of the money, no doubt if we get it, will be spent on outside agencies advising the council how best to spend it.

Posted by: nightrider, March 2, 2020, 8:39pm; Reply: 11
I wouldnt mind it sitting in my account but 3.5 millions intercourse all!
Half of that will line somebodys pocket that has no connection with the town what so ever
excrement a brick Roy Gibney got more than double that 20odd year ago and all he got was a swimming pool, a crappy car, the clap and shares in a snooker hall
Probably wouldn't even buy a new main stand
Posted by: rancido, March 2, 2020, 8:49pm; Reply: 12
Judging by all the negative feedback to this statement then I'm beginning to think that we have  the town and club we deserve!
Posted by: moosey_club, March 2, 2020, 9:14pm; Reply: 13
Quoted from rancido
Judging by all the negative feedback to this statement then I'm beginning to think that we have  the town and club we deserve!


Unfortunately those individuals who have been elected by the people over the years have, regardless of political allegience, wasted every opportunity the town has had previously.

Off the top of my head ... Yorkshire Forward schemes....tram lines to be installed down Freeman St, Cinema's at Garth Lane/Macauley St/ Riverhead at one time or another, the auditorium, ice rink too small, scartho bath's built short of competition size, Great Coates, top town paving installed and ripped up, money in Icelandic (?) banking when advised against...etc etc etc.
These all easy examples of pie in the sky ideas or opportunities monies/ wasted without even really thinking hard about it, i am sure others can easily add to those.
The current kickstart project of the £64m (?) Town deal currently ongoing at Garth Lane.....ripping out the decking and seating around the Riverhead...widening the footbridge to 5 metres......water fountains in the Riverhead.....new footpath to the Garth Lane "Maltings Development" (nail bar/youth centre/zip line) and my favourite feature "revamping Grimsby beach"...Yes i said "Grimsby Beach" ...No me neither.....for the uninitiated thats the shallow end of the Alexandra Dock behind the Ross Tiger where the sea cadets etc launch canoes......and where folklore believes Grim landed his boat.
I am pretty certain if Lyle Lanley came knocking the council would go for a monorail.

The whole purpose of the Town deal again.....1000's of jobs and 1000's of new houses...hmmmm....cant see anything there that is going to make a dent in either of those targets.

Pessimistic possibly or just experienced in the track record of every single local council for the last 30 odd years since i have had the vote.

Posted by: aldi_01, March 3, 2020, 9:05am; Reply: 14
I think that’s the issue.

I don’t believe any sensible person is being negative nor doesn’t agree that a new stadium would be a huge development but sadly, numerous councils have promised pie in the sky deals and we’ve been promised a new stadium since the dawn of time or so it seems...one has to forgive people for being a little pessimistic and sarcastic towards the whole thing.

That doesn’t mean negative...once again, talk of a new stadium has seemingly arisen but were literally no further on than previous times.

Perhaps the club could do well to just keep quiet until the land is secured or cash is obtained then show some serious commitment rather than discussions about something which is merely an idea on a homosexual packet.

Couldn’t bottom myself to read through all the posts but I’m surprised there’s been no ‘keep politics out of football’ comments...like building a huge development doesn’t have political implications...
Posted by: pen penfras, March 3, 2020, 10:22am; Reply: 15
Quoted from aldi_01
I think that’s the issue.

I don’t believe any sensible person is being negative nor doesn’t agree that a new stadium would be a huge development but sadly, numerous councils have promised pie in the sky deals and we’ve been promised a new stadium since the dawn of time or so it seems...one has to forgive people for being a little pessimistic and sarcastic towards the whole thing.

That doesn’t mean negative...once again, talk of a new stadium has seemingly arisen but were literally no further on than previous times.

Perhaps the club could do well to just keep quiet until the land is secured or cash is obtained then show some serious commitment rather than discussions about something which is merely an idea on a homosexual packet.

Couldn’t bottom myself to read through all the posts but I’m surprised there’s been no ‘keep politics out of football’ comments...like building a huge development doesn’t have political implications...


Damned if they do, damned if they don't. No update for 3 weeks and half the people are kicking off that they're not kept informed. Release a statement or answer questions and then half the people are picking fault with every minute detail, and inferring things that weren't even mentioned. Strangely enough, these 2 halves of people seem to have a huge overlap.
Posted by: ginnywings, March 3, 2020, 10:31am; Reply: 16
I still remember the artists impressions of a pedestrianised Freeman Street with a promise of "Cafe Culture". That was years ago. At least they will have to do something now because they have demolished a large swathe of buildings. Will probably end up as car parks.

The Government doesn't care about the North, despite their election promises, and the amount they have put into the pot is a token gesture. One of their advisers, Tim Leuing, even thinks the Government should pull all support from "failed" cities in the North and all their inhabitants should move to the South.  :-/

I'm really hoping that Freeman Street does end up as a bustling area with housing, shops, pubs, restaurants and a shiny new football ground, but like others, i will believe it when i see it.
Posted by: sam gy, March 3, 2020, 10:38am; Reply: 17
Quoted from fishboyUTM
At least John Fenty is a blue. Last thing you want is some socialist div running the club. And by backing that crackpot, he is clearly a commie.


Yes, thank god he's a Tory. The last 10 years of this government have been almost as enjoyable as the last 16 years supporting Town.

Posted by: pen penfras, March 3, 2020, 10:49am; Reply: 18
Quoted from sam gy


Yes, thank god he's a Tory. The last 10 years of this government have been almost as enjoyable as the last 16 years supporting Town.



Was it really better before? As far as I can tell, not a lot has actually changed. Sure, there's lots of moaning by the police and NHS about funding, but police didn't do anything before and they still don't. Waiting times were bad before and still are.

Services don't just need more money, they need to spend the money better and reduce the archaic systems and bureaucracy. But the latter is getting worse and resulting in worse use of the money they do have.
Posted by: aldi_01, March 3, 2020, 10:53am; Reply: 19
This is turning in to comedy gold....

A move in to ‘non footy’ incoming...
Posted by: Maringer, March 3, 2020, 11:10am; Reply: 20
£445 billion of bank and corporate bonds have been bought by the UK government under Quantitive Easing. This was to keep the banks afloat after they crashed the world economy through their stupid speculation in the markets. Basically giving the financial sector money for breaking the economy and sending us into a deep recession. Bankers profits have recovered very nicely due to government aid, thanks very much. Many of the rest of us are still worse off in real terms than we were in 2008.

On the other hand, we're now supposed to be happy with £3.6 billion split between a hundred declining towns which have all but been left to rot since the 1980s?

Crossrail is going to cost getting on for £20 billion and this offers no benefits to anybody outside of the south east. HS2 which will mostly benefit the south east is heading towards £90 billion.

Let's not get excited about a few crumbs from the table in comparison. The vast majority of government investment goes to the south east and will continue to do so, regardless of the 'Northern Powerhouse' initiative which is very slow moving.

And no, I'm not claiming that the New Labour government were brilliant in this regard but they were certainly a heck of a lot better than the Tories during the Thatcher era and since 2010 who have actively cut expenditure in the name of austerity.

Truth is, UK Government investment has been well below the levels of most of our Western competitors since the 1970s and a few quid here and there to try and grab the headlines won't make a dent in what is required to drag impoverished northern towns out of the mire.

The idea of a continental cafe culture down Freemo sounds like a good one but does beg the question, where are the citizens of N.E. Lincs going to get the money to enjoy it even if it is eventually built? It's why I hope any new stadium does come with a big community aspect to it as we need it badly, especially considering the cuts since 2010.
Posted by: ska face, March 3, 2020, 11:11am; Reply: 21
Quoted from pen penfras


Waiting times were bad before and still are.


Just statistically untrue...

Posted by: Ipswin, March 3, 2020, 11:16am; Reply: 22
Quoted from aldi_01


A move in to ‘non footy’ incoming...


The fate of all the more interesting discussions I'm afraid

Posted by: gaz57, March 3, 2020, 11:25am; Reply: 23
Quoted from moosey_club


Unfortunately those individuals who have been elected by the people over the years have, regardless of political allegience, wasted every opportunity the town has had previously.

Off the top of my head ... Yorkshire Forward schemes....tram lines to be installed down Freeman St, Cinema's at Garth Lane/Macauley St/ Riverhead at one time or another, the auditorium, ice rink too small, scartho bath's built short of competition size, Great Coates, top town paving installed and ripped up, money in Icelandic (?) banking when advised against...etc etc etc.
These all easy examples of pie in the sky ideas or opportunities monies/ wasted without even really thinking hard about it, i am sure others can easily add to those.
The current kickstart project of the £64m (?) Town deal currently ongoing at Garth Lane.....ripping out the decking and seating around the Riverhead...widening the footbridge to 5 metres......water fountains in the Riverhead.....new footpath to the Garth Lane "Maltings Development" (nail bar/youth centre/zip line) and my favourite feature "revamping Grimsby beach"...Yes i said "Grimsby Beach" ...No me neither.....for the uninitiated thats the shallow end of the Alexandra Dock behind the Ross Tiger where the sea cadets etc launch canoes......and where folklore believes Grim landed his boat.
I am pretty certain if Lyle Lanley came knocking the council would go for a monorail.

The whole purpose of the Town deal again.....1000's of jobs and 1000's of new houses...hmmmm....cant see anything there that is going to make a dent in either of those targets.

Pessimistic possibly or just experienced in the track record of every single local council for the last 30 odd years since i have had the vote.



Don't forget the wonderful Palm tree that's going to put Cleethorpes on the map
Posted by: RichMariner, March 3, 2020, 11:41am; Reply: 24
Get Brexit Done though, innit.

Let's sweep everything that really matters under the carpet and pander to the county's greatest anxieties, perpetuated by the media — who, by pure coincidence, are owned by mega rich people who manipulate the political landscape for their own personal financial gain.

You never say never, but I doubt very much that a new stadium will be built in the next five years and I also very much doubt the stated amount of new homes will be built in Grimsby either.

Politics is full of promise. We're sold dreams, not reality. It's all shirt and no trousers. There's very little left to trust in this world.

At least football is an escape from all that... except it's not, because the game is being dictated by the rich — those above politics. It's their play-thing. It's not the working class game it once was. It's created a league system in which Town can't thrive unless we have a new stadium that promises income more than once every other Saturday.

And who has the biggest say on whether we get that? The loop is complete. We're hamsters in a wheel.
Posted by: promotion plaice, March 3, 2020, 11:46am; Reply: 25
Quoted from gaz57


Don't forget the wonderful Palm tree that's going to put Cleethorpes on the map

And I very much doubt that will ever happen, talk is cheap.

Posted by: pen penfras, March 3, 2020, 11:49am; Reply: 26
Quoted from ska face


Just statistically untrue...



So you consider being seen to in just under 4 hours for an emergency as being a decent waiting time? Just because it takes 10 minutes longer to see people now doesn't change the fact that the waiting times have been long for a long time.
Posted by: ska face, March 3, 2020, 12:07pm; Reply: 27
I don’t set the targets - though as you appear to be an expert in bureaucracy perhaps you must know who does? That must be where you’ve got this idea people are waiting an extra 10 mins.
Posted by: fishboyUTM, March 3, 2020, 12:09pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from ska face


Just statistically untrue...



Anything to do with the amount of foreigners being allowed into the country? All you have to do is listen to the languages being spoken in hospital and doctors waiting rooms to realise why our public services are so overwhelmed. I'm not saying immigration is a bad thing, and foreign people have contributed greatly to our countries economy but surely there has to be a cap. And the quality of the people that are flooding into our country needs sorting. I'm talking qualified people that are in need, vetting of murderers and not all EU nationals either. How the intercourse did that Somalian named 'Madman' who killed that Grimsby lad get into the country?

Hopefully the new work permit system alongside a fit and proper persons background check will help as some areas of our country are no go zones. That's what Corbyn's socialists want, they want the floodgates to remain open. An open door policy is madness, let's just use common sense.
Posted by: Chrisblor, March 3, 2020, 12:12pm; Reply: 29
You're far far far more likely to be treated in a hospital by a HORRIBLE IMMIGRANT than stuck in a queue behind one in A&E
Posted by: Civvy at last, March 3, 2020, 12:23pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from RichMariner
Get Brexit Done though, innit.

Let's sweep everything that really matters under the carpet and pander to the county's greatest anxieties, perpetuated by the media — who, by pure coincidence, are owned by mega rich people who manipulate the political landscape for their own personal financial gain.

You never say never, but I doubt very much that a new stadium will be built in the next five years and I also very much doubt the stated amount of new homes will be built in Grimsby either.

Politics is full of promise. We're sold dreams, not reality. It's all shirt and no trousers. There's very little left to trust in this world.

At least football is an escape from all that... except it's not, because the game is being dictated by the rich — those above politics. It's their play-thing. It's not the working class game it once was. It's created a league system in which Town can't thrive unless we have a new stadium that promises income more than once every other Saturday.

And who has the biggest say on whether we get that? The loop is complete. We're hamsters in a wheel.


Dry yer eyes mate. 😪 You lost. Live with it. Or you can always go to another country if you don’t like the way ours is going.
Posted by: moosey_club, March 3, 2020, 12:27pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from promotion plaice

And I very much doubt that will ever happen, talk is cheap.



It definately is......it's currently on hold due to wildlife studies that have shown the new rock groin they built at Wonderland has become a roosting haven so the Palm Tree will have to be moved further down the prom
Posted by: ska face, March 3, 2020, 12:29pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from fishboyUTM


Anything to do with the amount of foreigners being allowed into the country?


Very unlikely - https://www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/high-immigration-nhs-crisis


Quoted from fishboyUTM
All you have to do is listen to the languages being spoken in hospital and doctors waiting rooms to realise why our public services are so overwhelmed.


That’s not “all you have to do”, but if that’s all you choose to do then that’s your own issue...
Posted by: Maringer, March 3, 2020, 12:31pm; Reply: 33
Due to health issues in my immediate family, we've spent a good bit of time visiting the hospital in Scartho recently - A&E, out of hours, clinics.

Treatment received from a selection of Indian (possibly Pakistani - both Hindus and Muslims have been seen), Middle Eastern, Caribbean and African doctors and nurses as well as one Irishman. In fact, the vast majority of the doctors we've seen haven been British, though most of the nurses have been.

Some vital stuff being done by said immigrants, especially considering that the British doctors that we do train (not enough of them trained for the country's requirements, of course) don't want to work in N.E. Lincs.

And almost every person we've encountered in the waiting rooms has been British. Because there are very, very few immigrants in N.E. Lincs and young immigrants don't use the NHS as much as our aging British population. They do help pay for it, though.

We're in at the hospital again on Thursday for further treatment. My guess is that the surgeon will not be British. And I don't care one jot.
Posted by: fishboyUTM, March 3, 2020, 1:00pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Chrisblor
You're far far far more likely to be treated in a hospital by a HORRIBLE IMMIGRANT than stuck in a queue behind one in A&E


You're twisting my words to suit you. Read my post, I never said 'HORRIBLE IMMIGRANT'. If you are being treated by a foreign nurse, or a Doctor then you are illustrating the need and value of well controlled and sensible immigration. I think you know that already though, you just want to tar and feather me as it's suits your narrative.
Posted by: wigworld, March 3, 2020, 1:01pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Chrisblor
You're far far far more likely to be treated in a hospital by a HORRIBLE IMMIGRANT than stuck in a queue behind one in A&E


This

Posted by: aldi_01, March 3, 2020, 1:08pm; Reply: 36
This was even better than predicted...
Posted by: diehardmariner, March 3, 2020, 1:32pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from pen penfras


So you consider being seen to in just under 4 hours for an emergency as being a decent waiting time? Just because it takes 10 minutes longer to see people now doesn't change the fact that the waiting times have been long for a long time.


4 Hour Waiting times are a joke and absolutely no way an indicator of good care.  If you're going to breach the 4 hour waiting time, it's highly likely you'll be moved through the system to start the clock somewhere else.  Minimal amount of diagnosis or treatment given.  Equally so the name gives the biggest clue.  Accident and Emergency.  If it's a genuine emergency, 4 hours is about 3 hours 59 minutes too long to wait.  If you walk into A&E with your head hanging off or if you've stubbed a toe, you're judged on the same 4 hour waiting list.  

What that chart shows is the correlation between the increased attendances and the increased 4 hour breaches.  That's not rocket science to expect that increased demand will impact on any performance, regardless of the quality they offer.  Equally so to doesn't take a brain surgeon to work out that in an aging population comes more comorbidities.  At this point you would expect the highly educated Government advisors to work out that if you're faced with increased pressure on an already creaking system you really need to invest in it.  You would hope that the last thing they would do is effectively reduce funding, make it harder to recruit clinical staff and maintain daft performance measures.

Of course a cynic would say that it's deliberately sabotaging a system so you can privatise it to your mates for a song....

Don't get me wrong, the system needs fixing.  It isn't working because it's predominantly a 1948 system trying to cope with 2020 life.  But the system will never work for 2020, 2025, 2040....as long as consecutive Governments completely underfund it, don't understand it and make clinical care an unattractive career choice.  

My health, your health, everyone's health is no longer dealt with just in the confines of a hospital.  A&E Departments across the country are backed up because they can't admit patients and are having people rocking up with daft things that could have been dealt with at home.  The social care system is broken and very little has been done to sort it.

This isn't about Labour or Tory, Red or Blue.  It's about the health of every single person in this country.  Consecutive Governments have neglected the whole health and social care arena and should hang their heads in shame.  
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, March 3, 2020, 2:17pm; Reply: 38
A & E is visited by many people because GP waiting lists can be over a week, doctors are unlikely to visit patients out of hours, and walk-in clinics are too expensive to run.

Nobody wants to have to wait for 4 - 6 hours with screaming kids there.  Well, apart from the homeless.  For most people there are very few or no other options.
Posted by: LH, March 3, 2020, 2:20pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from TownSNAFU5
A & E is visited by many people because GP waiting lists can be over a week, doctors are unlikely to visit patients out of hours, and walk-in clinics are too expensive to run.

Nobody wants to have to wait for 4 - 6 hours with screaming kids there.  Well, apart from the homeless.  For most people there are very few or no other options.


Most doctors do a telephone triage these days to see If you need to see a doctor on that day or could wait. If you get told you don’t need to and you still turn up at A&E anyway you should be charged the total amount for your treatment.
Posted by: Maringer, March 3, 2020, 4:12pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from diehardmariner


Consecutive Governments have neglected the whole health and social care arena and should hang their heads in shame.  


Did you mean to type Conservative Governments?  ;)

I'll post this once again, just in case anybody has missed it:



With an ageing population which puts a greater burden on healthcare, this is nothing short of scandalous. Makes my blood boil every time Johnson or some other Tory MP does the soundbite about record levels of expenditure on the NHS. If you increased it by 1p per year, it would still be a record.

On Social Care, I agree that none of the parties (except perhaps the Greens?) have had the balls to admit the problems we face and the cost of the solutions.
Posted by: barralad, March 3, 2020, 4:28pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from pen penfras


So you consider being seen to in just under 4 hours for an emergency as being a decent waiting time? Just because it takes 10 minutes longer to see people now doesn't change the fact that the waiting times have been long for a long time.


But that is only a part of the whole "waiting times" clusterf**k isn't it?
In 2001 (4 years into a Labour government trying to undo 18 years of Tory mismanagement of the NHS) I waited 11 months for surgery on a potentially life threatening cardiological condition. In 2008 I waited NINE WEEKS for similar surgery.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, March 3, 2020, 8:45pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from Civvy at last


Dry yer eyes mate. 😪 You lost. Live with it. Or you can always go to another country if you don’t like the way ours is going.


So first you get rid of foreigners, then it’s people who disagree with you.

Got your black shirt and torch ready for the rally?
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