Fenty wants Shutes to show that he is anywhere near finalising his deal to takeover the club.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/grimsby-town-takeover-fenty-shutes-3589082

Fenty is worried that if he can't get a deal sorted we might miss out on Freeman Street and end up back where we started, no site to build on.
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Think he is getting fed up with the inaction on Shutes part.

Good on him I say. It's about time it was sorted one way or another.

Bloody tyre kickers

I'm starting to think Schutes is full of hot air to be honest.
If he had the cash we'd have seen the colour of it by now.
It's okay Fenty it's hinging on the club relocating to the docks but, to me, that's just a smoke screen as the docks wasn't even in people's thoughts when the talks began some 18 months ago.
Time to look for another buyer who's not rooting down the back of the sofa looking for loose change...

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I'm starting to think Schutes is full of hot air to be honest.
If he had the cash we'd have seen the colour of it by now.
It's okay Fenty it's hinging on the club relocating to the docks but, to me, that's just a smoke screen as the docks wasn't even in people's thoughts when the talks began some 18 months ago.
Time to look for another buyer who's not rooting down the back of the sofa looking for loose change...

Think JF implied in one of his responses that discussion with ABP had been ongoing for quite some time and I got the impression this was long before the story broke. Interesting also that the new ground images issued on Freemo site were put together by the Freemasons without permission from the Club.

I may have misinterpreted but like you I get the feeling Shutes now has been given a deadline and it’s put up or bog off.

The hypocrisy of the man is unbelievable.

He has blatantly ignored every other option to bloody mindedly push for Peaks Parkway, well that was after going for Great Coates....i would think even less than 6 months ago he was still publicly promoting the PP site as his favourite.....now that has fell through he wants Shutes to hurry up so we dont lose the Freeman St site.....give it a rest John...you have had 15yrs ? to move us so don't try deflecting the blame to Shutes if the ground move stalls again.

Shutes needs to be given a deadline otherwise we forced to crack on or miss out on Freemo. I hope he can come good, the docks and regeneration around it would be fantastic!

Must admit it would be nice for Mr Tom Schutes to break his radio silence and actually come out and say something himself.

Quoted from Rik e B

Shutes needs to be given a deadline otherwise we forced to crack on or miss out on Freemo. I hope he can come good, the docks and regeneration around it would be fantastic!

How are we going to miss out on Freemo exactly? Even if the Shutes takeover doesn't get over the line.. and even if the land at Freeman Street remains available.. where's the 30 mill going to come from to get it built? The manner and urgency of JF's deadline message suggests we'll move immediately ahead with a new stadium at Freemo if the Shutes deal falls through. Does that mean more pointing at build ready land and pretty pictures of fanciful stadiums, followed by a long winded blame game between the club and anyone with a vested interest or will JF finally back up nearly twenty years of empty words with some action this time? Pretty rich JF trying to give Shutes a deadline to get his ducks in a row less than a year since his initial enquiry, while JF's not even found a single duck in nearly twenty years, never mind finding enough ducks to try and make a row of them..

If you look on "Company Check" Tom Shutes net worth £-2:.3m [minus] so that means I am £2,333,334 richer than him. If this is true I will put a bid in Monday morning. Meet your new owner and top shareholder. First thing I'll do is get rid of Cardwell and Shitehouse,put all those pies in the bin,and give free admittance to all those who vote Tory.

Quoted from golfer

If you look on "Company Check" Tom Shutes net worth £-2:.3m [minus] so that means I am £2,333,334 richer than him. If this is true I will put a bid in Monday morning. Meet your new owner and top shareholder. First thing I'll do is get rid of Cardwell and Shitehouse,put all those pies in the bin,and give free admittance to all those who vote Tory.

Keep taking the tablets, lock your doors as there's some man in a white van with a jacket that has extra long arms and plenty of buckles on their way to yours as we speak!!..

This docks idea is ludicrous. Freeman Street ticks every box. The club just needs some money now. No idea where that’s coming from, though!

Quoted from golfer

If you look on "Company Check" Tom Shutes net worth £-2:.3m [minus] so that means I am £2,333,334 richer than him. If this is true I will put a bid in Monday morning. Meet your new owner and top shareholder. First thing I'll do is get rid of Cardwell and Shitehouse,put all those pies in the bin,and give free admittance to all those who vote Tory.

I’ll take the pastry off your hands

We have no money to build a new stadium, and freemo may seem the best, but how is a new stadium without enough land going to help boost the cash flow into the club

Clubs with a lot less than us have managed to relocate.

Quoted from Heisenberg

This docks idea is ludicrous. Freeman Street ticks every box. The club just needs some money now. No idea where that’s coming from, though!

Please enlighten us why it's "ludicrous"?

Quoted from golfer

If you look on "Company Check" Tom Shutes net worth £-2:.3m [minus] so that means I am £2,333,334 richer than him. If this is true I will put a bid in Monday morning. Meet your new owner and top shareholder. First thing I'll do is get rid of Cardwell and Shitehouse,put all those pies in the bin,and give free admittance to all those who vote Tory.

Fantastic post.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Keep taking the tablets, lock your doors as there's some man in a white van with a jacket that has extra long arms and plenty of buckles on their way to yours as we speak!!..

Right -you're banned unless you want to be a ball boy and you can't have any pies 'cos Fishy Clapper is having them all.

Quoted from Stadium

Please enlighten us why it's "ludicrous"?

Try to envisage what sort of an undertaking is needed to fill in a dock, as has been suggested. That might cost more than building the actual stadium, Stadium.

Quoted from golfer

Right -you're banned unless you want to be a ball boy and you can't have any pies 'cos Fishy Clapper is having them all.

That's okay, can I have a sausage roll though as they're always pretty fresh,??...
And I don't mind being a ball boy,I can just sit there eating crisps and chatting to my friend.... imaginary friend that is, because since I've moved to the dark side I've been disowned...

It's been obvious to me right from the start that Shutes hasn't got a pot to urine in and he'll never satisfy Fenty that he would be a safe pair of hands financially thankfully

Why would it take months and months and months to prove you have funds??! It’s absolute b0ll0cks.
Could do it in a day.

Quoted from golfer

If you look on "Company Check" Tom Shutes net worth £-2:.3m [minus] so that means I am £2,333,334 richer than him. If this is true I will put a bid in Monday morning. Meet your new owner and top shareholder. First thing I'll do is get rid of Cardwell and Shitehouse,put all those pies in the bin,and give free admittance to all those who vote Tory.

No mention of getting rid of Ring...... and it was going so well.

Quoted from chaos33

Why would it take months and months and months to prove you have funds??! It’s absolute b0ll0cks.
Could do it in a day.

Reading between the lines.. the regeneration project as a whole that Shutes is proposing is much more than just a new stadium and includes a huge part of the designated area. It won't be him funding it on his own, it won't be funded solely by other investors and more likely also involve grants etc. I can understand the impatience, but how long has the whole of NE Lincs been waiting for regeneration? A lot longer than the absolute age that we've been waiting for a new stadium. It may turn out to be a false dawn, it may not, but good or great things don't come easy, especially in areas like ours and projects of this size, and in the grand scheme of things.. just under a year isn't a great deal of time to rubber stamp and underwrite ..

Quoted from promotion plaice

No mention of getting rid of Ring...... and it was going so well.

Ring will be captain and goalkeeper-did you think I'd lost the plot.?

Quoted from Bigdog

How are we going to miss out on Freemo exactly? Even if the Shutes takeover doesn't get over the line.. and even if the land at Freeman Street remains available.. where's the 30 mill going to come from to get it built? The manner and urgency of JF's deadline message suggests we'll move immediately ahead with a new stadium at Freemo if the Shutes deal falls through. Does that mean more pointing at build ready land and pretty pictures of fanciful stadiums, followed by a long winded blame game between the club and anyone with a vested interest or will JF finally back up nearly twenty years of empty words with some action this time? Pretty rich JF trying to give Shutes a deadline to get his ducks in a row less than a year since his initial enquiry, while JF's not even found a single duck in nearly twenty years, never mind finding enough ducks to try and make a row of them..

That is a great post. I just don't know how Fenty has the brass neck.

Quoted from Heisenberg

Try to envisage what sort of an undertaking is needed to fill in a dock, as has been suggested. That might cost more than building the actual stadium, Stadium.

Have you considered it might a part of a regeneration project and not limited to the building of a football stadium?
Maybe a good idea is not to dismiss it out of hand before we know the facts?

I don’t know how he’s got the cheek to ask for proof of funds to move the club forward when he hasn’t got that himself. It’s not just cash we need but someone who understands what it takes to run a football club and appreciate a fanbase. JF doesn’t seem to have learnt from any of his mistakes.

Quoted from Vance Warner

I don’t know how he’s got the cheek to ask for proof of funds to move the club forward when he hasn’t got that himself. It’s not just cash we need but someone who understands what it takes to run a football club and appreciate a fanbase. JF doesn’t seem to have learnt from any of his mistakes.

Isn't that a EFL requirement for sale??

Don’t think that JSF comes across as overly keen to sell. People talk about a silver bullet but he seems to be looking for a platinum one with diamonds encrusted.

It’s an EFL requirement to show prof of funds to buy and run the club but the impression I get is that JF has asked to see enough funds to do more than that and no doubt get his ‘benign’ loans back as well.

Quoted from Stadium

Have you considered it might a part of a regeneration project and not limited to the building of a football stadium?
Maybe a good idea is not to dismiss it out of hand before we know the facts?

And that’s fair comment.

My take on the docks is it will never be for public access, it’s effectively a dangerous industrial area owned by a huge organisation who are not into gifting land to the people for leisure purposes, whereas Freeman Street is sat
waiting for much needed regeneration. I think the stadium being there would be great.

But why does it take months on end?!?!
Showing proof of funds must surely be possible in a day or two.

Quoted from Heisenberg

And that’s fair comment.

My take on the docks is it will never be for public access, it’s effectively a dangerous industrial area owned by a huge organisation who are not into gifting land to the people for leisure purposes, whereas Freeman Street is sat
waiting for much needed regeneration. I think the stadium being there would be great.

I don’t get the obsession some people have with it being on the docks ?! Freemo is basically on the docks anyway and is part of the docks history.

Quoted from moosey_club

The hypocrisy of the man is unbelievable.

He has blatantly ignored every other option to bloody mindedly push for Peaks Parkway, well that was after going for Great Coates....i would think even less than 6 months ago he was still publicly promoting the PP site as his favourite.....now that has fell through he wants Shutes to hurry up so we dont lose the Freeman St site.....give it a rest John...you have had 15yrs ? to move us so don't try deflecting the blame to Shutes if the ground move stalls again.

I refer you to the Parable of the Prodigal Son.

Quoted from Bigdog

Reading between the lines.. the regeneration project as a whole that Shutes is proposing is much more than just a new stadium and includes a huge part of the designated area. It won't be him funding it on his own, it won't be funded solely by other investors and more likely also involve grants etc. I can understand the impatience, but how long has the whole of NE Lincs been waiting for regeneration? A lot longer than the absolute age that we've been waiting for a new stadium. It may turn out to be a false dawn, it may not, but good or great things don't come easy, especially in areas like ours and projects of this size, and in the grand scheme of things.. just under a year isn't a great deal of time to rubber stamp and underwrite ..

I haven't been reading between the lines but if that is what you have summised then very well done because this is just about what I have been told by an insider. ;)

I thought that was a good post. Ducks in a row won't be just purchasing GTFC, but intertwining the whole regeneration project with new stadium as a focal point. There won't just be Shutes involved but many other parties and linked projects.

And surely the club will be pre-warned if time is up and they going to start cracking on with different ideas for Freemo?

Let's not get into left vs right again but sure I read somewhere that if Tories elected there will be big funding for 100 deprived areas.

As Grimsby one of most deprived areas in country surely we in with a shout?

Just checked and Grimsby is one of the 100 chosen, and can bid for up to £25 million to help with infrastructure.

Now that won't go to club or stadium of course but could help out no end with surrounding infrastructure and the Greater Grimsby Project.

Quoted from chaos33

But why does it take months on end?!?!
Showing proof of funds must surely be possible in a day or two.

It's all down to how big his piggy bank is and how many coins there are to count.  ;)

Quoted from chaos33

But why does it take months on end?!?!
Showing proof of funds must surely be possible in a day or two.

It is very difficult if your so called funds are tied up in other projects-some making a profit,some making a loss. He wont go to the Post Office and ask " How much money is there in my account " These people buy a newspaper with a credit card. It has to be taken into account whether his investments are "good" for the future. Lawyers will be sorting these things out not individuals.In my opinion it looks pretty tight whether he can come up with the proof or not.

i’m really not sure how I feel about this.

I think we’ve all gathered by now that Shutes isn’t a football man. So what’s his motive?

My feeling is, it is solely the money to be made by regenerating the docks. Football stadium would play a big part of that. If Nothing becomes of the docks he will walk away anyway.

So with this being a money orientated purchase. I am a little bit wary. I can think of a few former football club owners who are purchased a club with redevelopment in mind.

The plus side for me is: Because the guy is in a football man, my guess is he would bring somebody in to run the club on a day-to-day basis.

And that means we can finally kick on at the football club. A new CEO will quickly see that what we have in house bar one or two people have not got the ability to run a modern day football club and they will have to leave. We can finally Have a football club both professionally run and forwardthinking

I'm told Shutes has never even been to a Town game

Quoted from Alfie

I'm told Shutes has never even been to a Town game

How would people know if he has or has not? is there somebody who watches every single person at every single game? the fact is if he went to our next game the vast majority of people would not recognise him as Tom Shutes and if he went to a game last season before his name become known around here nobody would have recognised him as he would have only been a random face in the crowd.

How many millionaires  who are football fans would sensibly invest in G.T. unless they were specifically a G.T. fan. JSF invested only because he was a G.T. fanatic. Not many out there even those who think they could get a return on their outlay.

Quoted from Alfie

I'm told Shutes has never even been to a Town game

He might post on here then if you listen to some people’s opinion on Fishy posters.

Quoted from Davec

How would people know if he has or has not? is there somebody who watches every single person at every single game? the fact is if he went to our next game the vast majority of people would not recognise him as Tom Shutes and if he went to a game last season before his name become known around here nobody would have recognised him as he would have only been a random face in the crowd.

He’s probably admitted it to someone on the board and it’s got out that way. It seems completely plausible to me that he’s never been before - we didn’t even hear that he went to Stamford Bridge to see town, let alone come up here for a game.

Quoted from Alfie

I'm told Shutes has never even been to a Town game

The current owner has been to loads of games and look how that's worked out. I actually hope that Shutes is interested in the wider regeneration of the town and the role the football club can play in that. I don't care if he knows anything about football, a sensible owner with some self awareness would appoint someone else to run the club anyway.

I think the main problem here, as well as money, is that Shutes is mainly interested in the regeneration of the town which may include the football club as merely a small part of it.
We really need someone who wants to own GTFC for itself rather than just a stadium which will be part of or even centre piece of an overall town plan.
Fenty is right not to simply hand it over until he is 100% sure. I don't think Shutes has the money (not just to pay Fenty but to fulfill his grand plan) and certainly does not have the football club's interest at the front of his mind.
If he was that keen to regenerate the town he'd have sent a bulldozer into East Marsh already

Problem is how many people are there out there who have the money, time and long-term commitment. We'd all love a millionaire who spent his childhood on the Pontoon and is willing to invest a big chunk of his time running a football club. But is there more than one out there?

Quoted from Davec

How would people know if he has or has not? is there somebody who watches every single person at every single game? the fact is if he went to our next game the vast majority of people would not recognise him as Tom Shutes and if he went to a game last season before his name become known around here nobody would have recognised him as he would have only been a random face in the crowd.

In the LULL of EXCITEMENT during Towns home games I sometime count the crowd. I have counted the crowd at the last 53 home games and know every bodies face off by heart. He has never been.

I realy cannot see the point in having a new tin mish stadium with no soul and nothing in, under, by it to bring money in to the club so we do not have to rely on just gate money. And i thought that was a big part of having a new ground.. So many times it has been said that freemo is not a big enough site for what we need to generate funds.. I am not against freemo, but i fail to see how it will make us any better off. no one is going to come in and throw money at us . we need better training areas not the ploggers type thing we have now . we need to own in built shops  restaurants , leisure facilitys etc to generate cash or it is a waste of time in my view.

Shutes is not taking over he would of done by now the club should be sold for a pound.
And JF knows it if attendances keep dropping really what is the club worth.
The trust should buy it and offer Fenty £ 500 000 paid back over 10 years.
And he doesn’t deserve that.

It could be viable as a community run club.

Quoted from denni266

I realy cannot see the point in having a new tin mish stadium with no soul and nothing in, under, by it to bring money in to the club so we do not have to rely on just gate money. And i thought that was a big part of having a new ground.. So many times it has been said that freemo is not a big enough site for what we need to generate funds.. I am not against freemo, but i fail to see how it will make us any better off. no one is going to come in and throw money at us . we need better training areas not the ploggers type thing we have now . we need to own in built shops  restaurants , leisure facilitys etc to generate cash or it is a waste of time in my view.

So you think we shoulder just exist on gate money, player sales and sponsorship? That is a very narrow commercial route to follow and I'm no financial expert. So when we get a dip in form and the gates suffer, what makes up the shortfall? Of course you mean some rich benefactor to put money into the club as and when, just to keep the club going on your behalf.

Quoted from denni266

I realy cannot see the point in having a new tin mish stadium with no soul and nothing in, under, by it to bring money in to the club so we do not have to rely on just gate money. And i thought that was a big part of having a new ground.. So many times it has been said that freemo is not a big enough site for what we need to generate funds.. I am not against freemo, but i fail to see how it will make us any better off. no one is going to come in and throw money at us . we need better training areas not the ploggers type thing we have now . we need to own in built shops  restaurants , leisure facilitys etc to generate cash or it is a waste of time in my view.

Very forward-thinking.

Quoted from rancido

So you think we shoulder just exist on gate money, player sales and sponsorship? That is a very narrow commercial route to follow and I'm no financial expert. So when we get a dip in form and the gates suffer, what makes up the shortfall? Of course you mean some rich benefactor to put money into the club as and when, just to keep the club going on your behalf.

I think you miss understand what i ment.. let me put it simpler......a new ground on its own will not help cash flow to put in too players ,, we need the extras ie shops sports facilitys to bring in extra income

Quoted from denni266

I realy cannot see the point in having a new tin mish stadium with no soul and nothing in, under, by it to bring money in to the club so we do not have to rely on just gate money. And i thought that was a big part of having a new ground.. So many times it has been said that freemo is not a big enough site for what we need to generate funds.. I am not against freemo, but i fail to see how it will make us any better off. no one is going to come in and throw money at us . we need better training areas not the ploggers type thing we have now . we need to own in built shops  restaurants , leisure facilitys etc to generate cash or it is a waste of time in my view.

I’ll tell you what’s a waste of time mate. Reading your posts.

Quoted from chaos33

I’ll tell you what’s a waste of time mate. Reading your posts.

Feel free to skip past my posts.. its a free world  so am told

Quoted from denni266

I think you miss understand what i ment.. let me put it simpler......a new ground on its own will not help cash flow to put in too players ,, we need the extras ie shops sports facilitys to bring in extra income

For what it's worth I read your post and understood it as you say mate.

I was having a chat with someone a few weeks back who I'd never met before. He's involved in some regeneration project over Halifax way and mentioned the name Shutes. We spent the next few minutes making sure we were talking about the same guy.

I don't think Grimsby is his only interest - or maybe it is, and he's either realised Fenty won't sell or he can't satisfy his request for proof of funds so he's going elsewhere.

I have a funny feeling this is going nowhere.

Quoted from RichMariner

I don't think Grimsby is his only interest - or maybe it is, and he's either realised Fenty won't sell or he can't satisfy his request for proof of funds so he's going elsewhere.
I have a funny feeling this is going nowhere.

Didn't Mr Fenty say they had already agreed on the price !?!

Quoted from denni266

I think you miss understand what i ment.. let me put it simpler......a new ground on its own will not help cash flow to put in too players ,, we need the extras ie shops sports facilitys to bring in extra income

Hopefully the new ground would incorporate shops, better conference facilities and some kind of training/gym set up. These are the "non game" income streams that we need. The construction of the stadium and some of it's surroundings could include these. I think  every statement from the club concerning the new ground has emphasised the need for non match income streams to help fund the club.

I still don't understand where the initial £30-£40 million is going to come from. People keep coming up with hair brained suggestions and can't possibly live in the real world. If the council put money in the rates go up,-regeneration wont create anywhere enough, ABP are a private company only do things for profit. Can't get a bank loan. ????

Quoted from golfer

I still don't understand where the initial £30-£40 million is going to come from. People keep coming up with hair brained suggestions and can't possibly live in the real world. If the council put money in the rates go up,-regeneration wont create anywhere enough, ABP are a private company only do things for profit. Can't get a bank loan. ????

Exactly this. no one is going to throw this ammount of money at a bottom of the run football club un less ther is clear proffit to be made at the end of the day . The club cannot get the funds them selves either. We need much more than just a new stadium so we can invest in better players without relying on gate money

Totally agree with previous posts , ABP don’t give a toss about gtfc Grimsby the town or anything unless it makes them money. The council are skint and poorly run and have been for decades so where does the money come from ? Regarding shutes I think he’s had a look and thought it’s to big a job and pulled out or just couldn’t raise the money either way means it’s not happening.

Quoted from denni266

Exactly this. no one is going to throw this ammount of money at a bottom of the run football club un less ther is clear proffit to be made at the end of the day . The club cannot get the funds them selves either. We need much more than just a new stadium so we can invest in better players without relying on gate money

So where is this new money coming from to invest in players? You imply that the club is unsaleable. JF wants out and won't throw more money into the club and the club can't generate more funds themselves. It's all a Catch 22 situation and can only get worse , especially if fans stop going. I'm not being simplistic or sarcastic but what is the answer , especially knowing that JF wants out and there appears to be nobody able to replace him?

Quoted from rancido

So where is this new money coming from to invest in players? You imply that the club is unsaleable. JF wants out and won't throw more money into the club and the club can't generate more funds themselves. It's all a Catch 22 situation and can only get worse , especially if fans stop going. I'm not being simplistic or sarcastic but what is the answer , especially knowing that JF wants out and there appears to be nobody able to replace him?

To be honest i think we are stuck where we are and will just tread water as best we can,, IF and it is a big IF , we do move to a new ground we need a bigger plot than freemo to have the space to put everything we need to go forward, Now i am no big bussiness man , but i do come from being a buisseness man , but i know that to move forward there has to be an advantage and to make more money from the move or you may as well just stay where you are

Quoted from promotion plaice

For what it's worth I read your post and understood it as you say mate.

Cheers.. i was beginning to think i was speaking a different language lol.

ABP Grimsby docks land is worthless at the moment no one will buy it.
But with a stadium project marina extension bars and possible apartments it starts to look more sellable.

Mr Corbyn says if you vote Labour he will build us a new ground then nationalise it then make it free to all that attend. ;)

Quoted from Yoda

ABP Grimsby docks land is worthless at the moment no one will buy it.
But with a stadium project marina extension bars and possible apartments it starts to look more sellable.

I agree with this, i recently spent a day/night in Hull and the fruit market area was really good, nice bars and restaurants and very well designed. I thought how good Grimsby Docks to become with proper investment and a forward thinking council. The only thing probably stopping it is there's still quite a few working fish merchants down there who probably have to be moved.

Quoted from gytone

I agree with this, i recently spent a day/night in Hull and the fruit market area was really good, nice bars and restaurants and very well designed. I thought how good Grimsby Docks to become with proper investment and a forward thinking council. The only thing probably stopping it is there's still quite a few working fish merchants down there who probably have to be moved.

Thought I saw you at kinky boots

Grimsby Docks still stinks of fish because successful companies still trade there so can’t see it becoming a Mecca for al fresco dining and beer gardens any time soon.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Mr Corbyn says if you vote Labour he will build us a new ground then nationalise it then make it free to all that attend. ;)

Boris says he would match that offer and raise it by giving a free programme to all attendees and free hot drinks for any pensioners.

Swinson says neither of them could possibly be trusted to deliver such a promise.

Farage says he has been to Blundell Park and its a wonderful example of a traditional English football ground and he would install his franchise Brexit Beer Bars in all stands.

Swinson says she will stop football even if people want to go because there are some people who don't want to go-but she would honour the democratic decision if they had a vote on it.

For fox sake, can we please have everyone pulling in the same direction for a new stadium?

Look, if the old fish dock can be filled in relatively cheaply, say a couple of million, then fair enough, let's try and do a deal with ABP. However, if it would cost closer to ten million, then it's stupid to pursue that when there is a brownfield site at Freeman Street.

The Freemen obviously think the people living on Thesiger Walk can be relocated. With those houses gone, there would be a huge area between Garibaldi Street and Kent Street.

Mr Shutes should content himself with redeveloping the ice factory.

Quoted from White_shorts

For fox sake, can we please have everyone pulling in the same direction for a new stadium?

Look, if the old fish dock can be filled in relatively cheaply, say a couple of million, then fair enough, let's try and do a deal with ABP. However, if it would cost closer to ten million, then it's stupid to pursue that when there is a brownfield site at Freeman Street.

The Freemen obviously think the people living on Thesiger Walk can be relocated. With those houses gone, there would be a huge area between Garibaldi Street and Kent Street.

Mr Shutes should content himself with redeveloping the ice factory.

Let's get stadium done.
Parliament wasted 3 years on Brexit.
Grimsby wasted 29 years on Blundellit

So who do we vote for again?

Quoted from White_shorts

For fox sake, can we please have everyone pulling in the same direction for a new stadium?

Look, if the old fish dock can be filled in relatively cheaply, say a couple of million, then fair enough, let's try and do a deal with ABP. However, if it would cost closer to ten million, then it's stupid to pursue that when there is a brownfield site at Freeman Street.

The Freemen obviously think the people living on Thesiger Walk can be relocated. With those houses gone, there would be a huge area between Garibaldi Street and Kent Street.

Mr Shutes should content himself with redeveloping the ice factory.

There are a lot of residential properties very close to a new stadium behind Freeman Street. This could cause issues with planning permission for what can be built inside the stadium (i.e. revenue generating units). A stadium on the old Fish Docks would offer much more scope for having a whole host of things being built within the stadium building. No residents anywhere nearby. Much more space for car parking.

An example: Preston North End rebuilt their East Stand around 10 years ago. The cost of a basic 5,000 stand with no extras would have been around £5m which would have been funded 100% by the club over 25 years (£280,000 a year including interest payments). Instead PNE built a new stand incorporating various units that generate an income (including an NHS walk in centre). This meant the cost of the new stand rose to £9m. BUT they have a rental income of around £500,000 per year this will fully finance the loan they used to build the stand. So the club have built a new stand and not had to finance it from their football turnover.

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There are a lot of residential properties very close to a new stadium behind Freeman Street. This could cause issues with planning permission for what can be built inside the stadium (i.e. revenue generating units). A stadium on the old Fish Docks would offer much more scope for having a whole host of things being built within the stadium building. No residents anywhere nearby. Much more space for car parking.

An example: Preston North End rebuilt their East Stand around 10 years ago. The cost of a basic 5,000 stand with no extras would have been around £5m which would have been funded 100% by the club over 25 years (£280,000 a year including interest payments). Instead PNE built a new stand incorporating various units that generate an income (including an NHS walk in centre). This meant the cost of the new stand rose to £9m. BUT they have a rental income of around £500,000 per year this will fully finance the loan they used to build the stand. So the club have built a new stand and not had to finance it from their football turnover.

That’s an interesting example. Far too forward thinking!

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So who do we vote for again?

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