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Posted by: KingstonMariner, November 26, 2019, 9:43pm
That'll do.

Better from Town. Confidence rising.
Posted by: grimsby pete, November 26, 2019, 9:45pm; Reply: 1
Getting better each game so no rush to appoint manager just yet.
Posted by: fishcake63, November 26, 2019, 9:50pm; Reply: 2
should have scored at least one or two first half , only thing missing from a decent performance
Posted by: jonnyboy82, November 26, 2019, 9:50pm; Reply: 3
Disagree..

We looked toothless and predictable, not saying we were awful but it was pretty drab imo.
Posted by: wiggers, November 26, 2019, 9:50pm; Reply: 4
FFS
Posted by: scott_gtfc_89, November 26, 2019, 9:52pm; Reply: 5
How times have changed, we are happy with a 0-0 draw at home to Cheltenham :/

Posted by: KingstonMariner, November 26, 2019, 9:54pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from scott_gtfc_89
How times have changed, we are happy with a 0-0 draw at home to Cheltenham :/



We are where we are. Not happy. Just happier than last week.
Posted by: Marinerz93, November 26, 2019, 9:55pm; Reply: 7
A fair result considering the bad run we have been on, good to get a clean sheet but disappointed we didn't get a couple of goals.
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, November 26, 2019, 9:55pm; Reply: 8
I didn't think we offered a lot 2nd half but could have easily been 2 or 3 up by then. Understandably look like confidence is shot but some positive signs. Just need to find a win from somewhere and I think we'll settle back down. Hopefully Hanson not out for long.
Posted by: fishcake63, November 26, 2019, 9:56pm; Reply: 9
not saying it was great but seen alot worse under mj , just can't see us scoring goals consistently to climb table , also not sure we having rub of green at moment
Posted by: KingstonMariner, November 26, 2019, 9:58pm; Reply: 10
I know where the goalmouth mound has gone. They just moved it in from of the dugouts. Typical Town, sweeping the dirt under the carpet.  ;)
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, November 26, 2019, 10:04pm; Reply: 11
Looked alot more like we did in Augusted didn't we. Only thing missing tonight was a couple of goals. I'm not too worried about our drop off in the second half, Cheltenham had a bit more about them and certainly made us work harder then we had to in the first half.
Posted by: carrot top, November 26, 2019, 10:05pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from scott_gtfc_89
How times have changed, we are happy with a 0-0 draw at home to Cheltenham :/



They have only 3 defeats so far which is the best in the league. Defensively they also have conceded less than anyone else away from home.
We should have however scored st least 2 in the first half. Second half was disappointing though
Posted by: Grimbiggs, November 26, 2019, 10:08pm; Reply: 13
Positive performace, plenty of energy, and unlucky to not come away with all 3 points, against a Cheltenham team who are flying high. Tried to play football tonight, and better defensively, with Macca having very little to do, just needed to finish off the good first chances we had...UTM.
Posted by: IlkleyMariner, November 26, 2019, 10:11pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from scott_gtfc_89
How times have changed, we are happy with a 0-0 draw at home to Cheltenham :/


How many times have we lost 1-0 to Cheltenham

Think a 0-0 v a team near the top is quite acceptable given respective form of late.

Posted by: Maringer, November 26, 2019, 10:21pm; Reply: 15
Deserved at least a goal from the first half performance but were helped a lot by how poor their passing was. They just kept kicking it into touch or straight to us. Just like watching Town!

Unfortunately, second half, a complete turnaround. They made one change to bring on a proper right-back and we just couldn't make inroads after that - I couldn't quite work out how they all suddenly became better at passing, however! We badly ran out of steam in that second half with Whitehouse, Green, Hewitt and Rose quickly knackered. All had done pretty well during the first half and struggled badly after that. Perhaps not too much of a surprise as none have been playing that regularly.

Positives? Plenty of hard work, good defending and decent passing (first half only). Negatives are a lack of pace and stamina and the team shape just fell apart in the second half, especially after Hanson went off.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, November 26, 2019, 10:21pm; Reply: 16
We looked OK for a couple of short spells. Maybe we were unlucky in the first half but that only underlines the lack of a good striker and the way all of them snatch at chances. Don’t they practice finishing in a goalmouth ruck?

Too much tip-tap, sideways and back still for most of the game. Then the big lump upfield when they close us down. Is this the old old tactic of trying to draw them out then thump it over for the target bloke to nod on? It hardly ever works unless you play two strikers moving together. It worked when Rose came in next to Hanson once in the first half.

Clifton is now only worth his place on effort, his passing is poor and he cannot beat a marker to save his life. Was Hewitt playing right back tonight? Cheltenham had plenty of space down there second half. Was Green supposed to be playing up front or as auxiliary defender.

We are much too spread out as a team so the player on the ball is always outnumbered and few passing options. Is it because we lack pace or are we not fit enough to move up and down the park as a unit?

Maybe we are a bit better but the jury is still out on Limbrick. We might have the ball on the floor more often but we created very little from it.
Posted by: Rik e B, November 26, 2019, 10:21pm; Reply: 17
Limbrick post match interview:

[url]https://clyp.it/k0ehlu4b[/url]
Posted by: Grimbiggs, November 26, 2019, 10:22pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from scott_gtfc_89
How times have changed, we are happy with a 0-0 draw at home to Cheltenham :/


You obviously don't watch much football!.... decent result, and for large periods of the game we dominated a team that is vying for the promotion places, what more do you expect?
Posted by: mimma, November 26, 2019, 10:23pm; Reply: 19
We still lack confidence with the ball. When we get the ball in or around our box we still hack it to the half way line and chase after it. Problem is that we don't have anyone on the half way line so we have just given them the ball back.
Another thing is at the end our forward line just stood in a straight line waiting, no movement whatsoever.
Still an improvement though.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, November 26, 2019, 10:23pm; Reply: 20
Good first half, pretty mediocre second. A few questions that arise..why didn’t Jolley play Clifton...is that enough to buy Anthony a few more games...what has happened to Matt Green...
Posted by: Grimbiggs, November 26, 2019, 10:29pm; Reply: 21
We looked OK for a couple of short spells. Maybe we were unlucky in the first half but that only underlines the lack of a good striker and the way all of them snatch at chances. Don’t they practice finishing in a goalmouth ruck?

Too much tip-tap, sideways and back still for most of the game. Then the big lump upfield when they close us down. Is this the old old tactic of trying to draw them out then thump it over for the target bloke to nod on? It hardly ever works unless you play two strikers moving together. It worked when Rose came in next to Hanson once in the first half.

Clifton is now only worth his place on effort, his passing is poor and he cannot beat a marker to save his life. Was Hewitt playing right back tonight? Cheltenham had plenty of space down there second half. Was Green supposed to be playing up front or as auxiliary defender.

We are much too spread out as a team so the player on the ball is always outnumbered and few passing options. Is it because we lack pace or are we not fit enough to move up and down the park as a unit?




Maybe we are a bit better but the jury is still out on Limbrick. We might have the ball on the floor more often but we created very little from it.



Obviously watching a different game to me, Clifton played several decent passes, particularly the one over the top in the 2nd half that Rose if he'd controlled better would have been one and one with the keeper. Some people on here can't have seen many of our recent home performances...far better in all areas, loads of energy and pressing all over the park....Limbrick deserves at least a run of games, and re-assess his position in the New Year .
Posted by: fishboyUTM, November 26, 2019, 10:32pm; Reply: 22
Quoted from MuddyWaters
Good first half, pretty mediocre second. A few questions that arise..why didn’t Jolley play Clifton...is that enough to buy Anthony a few more games...what has happened to Matt Green...


1. Had tendonits and Jolley didn't really need midfielders anyway.
2. Hope not, we've 11 days now between games. Get a new experienced manager in, or at least someone who has played the game at a good level.
3. He's nearly 33 and was signed 5 years too late. Gives his all to be fair but he's in decline.
Posted by: cardiffmariner, November 26, 2019, 10:36pm; Reply: 23
We looked OK for a couple of short spells. Maybe we were unlucky in the first half but that only underlines the lack of a good striker and the way all of them snatch at chances. Don’t they practice finishing in a goalmouth ruck?

Too much tip-tap, sideways and back still for most of the game. Then the big lump upfield when they close us down. Is this the old old tactic of trying to draw them out then thump it over for the target bloke to nod on? It hardly ever works unless you play two strikers moving together. It worked when Rose came in next to Hanson once in the first half.

Clifton is now only worth his place on effort, his passing is poor and he cannot beat a marker to save his life. Was Hewitt playing right back tonight? Cheltenham had plenty of space down there second half. Was Green supposed to be playing up front or as auxiliary defender.

We are much too spread out as a team so the player on the ball is always outnumbered and few passing options. Is it because we lack pace or are we not fit enough to move up and down the park as a unit?

Maybe we are a bit better but the jury is still out on Limbrick. We might have the ball on the floor more often but we created very little from it.


Jesus that’s a miserable interpretation of tonight’s game. We matched, and could have beaten, a top six team that have lost one away all season. That’s on the back of a crap run of form and the recent upheaval of losing a manager.

Cut Limbrick and the players some bloody slack and show a little bit of appreciation for the clear effort to make steps in the right direction. It’s been 3 games ffs, not 18 months.

Your comments on Clifton underline your general knack to find fault wherever you can. He’s no superstar but he had a decent game tonight.

The team and the current manager are trying to do the right things and I for one found tonight more enjoyable than any of Jolley’s recent offerings.  A bit of appreciation and SUPPORT wouldn’t go amiss.
Posted by: Rik e B, November 26, 2019, 10:37pm; Reply: 24
Well Buckley chose Clifton as his MOM.

Remember his role tonight was to sit deeper than the other two.
Posted by: TwoLeftFeet, November 26, 2019, 10:40pm; Reply: 25
I thought the switch to put Clifton as a deeper midfielder worked well tonight with the added bonus of Hess playing further forward.

Shame we couldn't get the goal 1st half performance deserved  but everyone seemed to put a good shift in.
Posted by: forza ivano, November 26, 2019, 10:41pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from Rik e B
Well Buckley chose Clifton as his MOM.

Remember his role tonight was to sit deeper than the other two.


Hardly in the same league as sir Alan but I had harry as my motm on saturday
Posted by: LH, November 26, 2019, 10:43pm; Reply: 27
Fair result. Take the clean sheet and a point against a decent away side.

First half pretty good and unlucky not to be at least a goal up. I think Cheltenham were happy to rely on us causing our own downfall to half time and did break quickly a couple of times. Probably a fair tactic against us to be fair.

Second we looked to tire a bit which AL alluded to in his post match and is understandable given our lack of recent games. That allowed Cheltenham to get more into the game second half. I know it’s probably linked to fitness and confidence but I would like the new manager to work on how quickly we transition from defending to pushing on to an attack.
Posted by: marinerdazza, November 26, 2019, 10:43pm; Reply: 28
We’ve improved over 3 games. He should be given more time. Are you telling me that Pete Wild is in a better position to manage town than Limbrick and Ben Davies?

I hope for once they take their time over this.
Posted by: Rik e B, November 26, 2019, 10:44pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from forza ivano


Hardly in the same league as sir Alan but I had harry as my motm on saturday


As did I. 👍
Posted by: arryarryarry, November 26, 2019, 10:46pm; Reply: 30
I thought Clifton had his best game of the season so far.
Posted by: MuddyWaters, November 26, 2019, 10:47pm; Reply: 31
Interesting to see Ben Davies ripping into one or two from the sidelines. Definitely not afraid to stick it up them.
Posted by: Rik e B, November 26, 2019, 10:51pm; Reply: 32
I'm liking Limbrick, not got a crystal ball whether he'd be a long term success but positive steady improvements for me. We were in a right mess let's be honest so a bit of perspective is needed.

No I'm not over the moon or easily pleased where we are at -but that is where we are at. Just because people think we should be higher doesn't mean with a click of the fingers all the lack of confidence and previous disorganisation can magically dissipate and we suddenly can or should morph into a top side for division.
Posted by: Garth, November 26, 2019, 10:53pm; Reply: 33
Tonights result was more about resolute defending by them, we played them off the park for long spells but unfortunately could not get that all important goal
Posted by: Teestogreen, November 26, 2019, 11:03pm; Reply: 34
[quote=6]Tonights result was more about resolute defending by them, we played them off the park for long spells but unfortunately could not get that all important goal[/quote]

Why not? I can guess that the 2 main strikers we have are 64 and receding.

Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, November 26, 2019, 11:11pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from Grimbiggs



Obviously watching a different game to me, Clifton played several decent passes, particularly the one over the top in the 2nd half that Rose if have controlled better would have been one and one with the keeper. Some people on here can't have seen many of our recent home performances...far better in all areas, loads of energy and pressing all over the park....Limbrick deserves at least a run of games, and re-assess his position in the New Year .


You may be right.  ;D  Years of depressing hit and hope do breed negativity and there is a decent side there trying to get out. Just that there are such simple things that would makes us more compact and improve overall play a lot. Little things like Buckley has said about the strikers not running away to the far post all the time but taking the ball to feet and bringing players into the game could create so much more.

Posted by: grimsby pete, November 26, 2019, 11:19pm; Reply: 36
Neither Barrow or Halifax won tonight.

Just saying
Posted by: LondonMariner43, November 26, 2019, 11:23pm; Reply: 37
If we had won, we’d have been only the 4th team to beat Cheltenham this season.  
Posted by: hampshiremariner, November 26, 2019, 11:25pm; Reply: 38
A point is a point and a clean sheet as well. 15 shots with 7 or 8 on target. They had six shots, one of target. The stats suggest an improved performance. We need to start scoring and the confidence will come back. There are just two points covering 5 teams and we have 2 games in hand.
To be honest, getting knocked out of the Cup May have done us favour. Just concentrate on consolidating a mid table position. Only 2500 at the match. What was to blame for such a low gate?
Posted by: forza ivano, November 26, 2019, 11:31pm; Reply: 39
Think it's also worth pointing out that for the last few weeks we've pretty unlucky with injuries, particularly Limbrick . Starts off with no hanson, hendrie, ogbu,wright,  ohma n plus Clifton unavailable. Then has cook injured and Robson I'll and has Hanson suffering with hamstring. That's a lot to deal with when you've only got a v small squad
Posted by: moosey_club, November 26, 2019, 11:48pm; Reply: 40
Apart from a couple of first half counters i thought we contained and matched them pretty well.

First half the ball was largely in their half of the pitch largely because we played with more patience in possession but pressed them hard when out of possession, either nicking the ball back or forcing them to turn it over to us. Thought we missed the speed of thought/drive to maximise the potential of some of the turnovers however.
Some late sustained first half pressure saw us lay siege to their goal and only brave defending/goalkeeping denied us what would have been a deserved goal.
We had nothing to offer on the right side first half but Gibson and Rose worked quite well on the left and that was were we got behind them succesfully. Unfortunately the crosses/ pull backs didnt pick our players out well enough. That seemed to completely switch second half when we looked more likely down the right.


Negatives...
ran out of steam
subs made zero impact
only Rose looked capable/ interested in taking on his opposition number
a little slow to move the ball forward at times
less than 2500 in the home ends
0 goals for

Positives..
looked solid
ball was on the deck
not losing
players looked interested in what they were doing
0 goals against
earnt a point from one of the games in hand


Posted by: bawarmy, November 27, 2019, 12:30am; Reply: 41
Quoted from Rik e B
Well Buckley chose Clifton as his MOM.

Remember his role tonight was to sit deeper than the other two.


And as always Alan did it well
Posted by: HistonMariner, November 27, 2019, 3:04am; Reply: 42
Compare the last two 0 v 0 draws.
Cambridge a side similar to us (SO FAR) .   We had our backs to the wall throughout - we only had  
one in intention, didn't look to play too much, did a job and rode our luck.  Probably reflected the
Managers state of mind.

Cheltenham a side significantly above us (SO FAR).  We were probably a bit unfortunate not to go in
with a lead at half time. Players look to be behind the Manager and were trying to play.  Overall more
positive, reflecting the Managers state of mind.

Limbrick has had fewer options given injuries and illness.  Limbricks stated desire for a consistent approach reflects a more balanced state of mind.

Desire, confidence and luck will be significant factors that will largely determine our season.
Desire - it appears to have improved in the last week or so.
Confidence - will increase after a performance like Cheltenham > Cambridge.
Luck - tends to follow those teams who are getting results.


Cautious optimism - very cautious.  Half full > half empty.  UTMM.
Posted by: Mayaman, November 27, 2019, 4:32am; Reply: 43
I feel a surge of optimism
Posted by: A.l.f., November 27, 2019, 6:27am; Reply: 44
Thought we really had to win last night any way possible - dodgy pen, deflected shot or lucky chance but after last nights performance, i'm encouraged with the future on the pitch.  The effort and desire to turn things around was evident, we just lacked a bit of quality to get that goal.  In the first half after a passage of somehow Cheltenham getting several blocks in, i felt that if we'd got one, we'd get two.
There is no hurry to make an appointment and AL should be given more time as the players clearly are happy playing for him.  Ben Davies has loads of experience and has a lot to bring to the party, lives locally and feels part of our community and will give AL good assistance.
Get the feeling, whatever happens that not losing to Scunny on 21st Dec is key to attendances and finances for the rest of the season.
Actually enjoyed last night.
UTM
Posted by: 140067 (Guest), November 27, 2019, 7:12am; Reply: 45
A point but felt if things were going our way may have been 3. There keeper made some good saves and there was an incredible block by one of their defenders when a goal looked certain. For me Gibson was our mom. Thought Rose played well in the first half but switched off in the second. Defence played well but... Always look like they have a mistake in them. Just one. Pitch looked good but was a bit sticky. Poor crowd though.
Posted by: Swansea_Mariner, November 27, 2019, 8:18am; Reply: 46
Good result and unlucky to not get the win.  Continued progression but with Swindon up next Limbrick has had probably our toughest sequence of games all season, it's very difficult to judge.

Second game in a row that the commentators pick out Clifton as their pick of the bunch yet still some throw criticism at him (although to be fair he's had a fair few jump to his defence on here). Looks like a few have made up their mind nomatter what happens on the pitch.
Posted by: PoutonStepover, November 27, 2019, 9:12am; Reply: 47
I came away happier than I have for most games of late (not really difficult I suppose) but I certainly think that was our best team performance at BP since August, although disappointed not to see a couple of the chances converted, I’d have taken the 0-0 before the game. Nobody had what I’d consider a bad game. Not many times I’ve been able to say that this year.

Was good to finally see us trying to use Rose’s pace, mainly Clifton banging it over the top for him and Hanson trying to nod it his way a few times, but I think he will come good for us this season.

I think we are missing Max Wright’s surging runs and when he comes back we will start creating the goals!
Posted by: Northbank Mariner, November 27, 2019, 9:18am; Reply: 48
Much much improved performance once again.
The boys left absolutely nothing out there and it was far from a sit back and hope to counter, it was what we want from home performances, pressed well and went at them, certainly in the first half...
Think 3 games in 6 days took its toll tonight and not forgetting one if those games was played in an energy sapping playing surface at Rodney Parade.
Those who think Clifton can't pass a ball need to watch the highlights, 2 cracking balls through to Rose and he broke up play, tackled and generally neat and tidy with ball keeping it simple where he could.
3 games under limbrick, Davis and Moore have given us more confidence in this squad after Jolley single handed ripped the soul of these players with his constant playstation football manager tactics...
Given we've got 10 days to Swindon I am hoping he'll work on building relationships between the players so they gain a real understanding of each other...
Looking forward to Swindon now, 2 teams that will play football and reckon we'll be entertained...can't ask for much more apart from a win hopefully to shut the constant critics on here up....
Posted by: 123614 (Guest), November 27, 2019, 10:16am; Reply: 49
Quoted from marinerdazza
We’ve improved over 3 games. He should be given more time. Are you telling me that Pete Wild is in a better position to manage town than Limbrick and Ben Davies?

I hope for once they take their time over this.


Lost 2 and drawn 1?

Posted by: barralad, November 27, 2019, 10:42am; Reply: 50
Quoted from jonnyboy82
Disagree..

We looked toothless and predictable, not saying we were awful but it was pretty drab imo.


Come on fella...no need for the "pound shop *removed* (!)" impression. Tons better than Newport away and better by degrees than Northampton. Work in progress 8)
Posted by: barralad, November 27, 2019, 10:48am; Reply: 51
Quoted from MuddyWaters
Good first half, pretty mediocre second. A few questions that arise..why didn’t Jolley play Clifton...is that enough to buy Anthony a few more games...what has happened to Matt Green...


Clifton was the cause of argument around where I sit. Some including me thought he added some bite and energy to midfield whilst others bemoaned his lack of ability in picking out a pass.
For what it's worth I don't think we are playing anywhere near Green's strengths and he appears to have let it weigh on him. A couple of times last night he was screaming for the ball only to be ignored firstly by Rose and then Ogbu.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, November 27, 2019, 10:58am; Reply: 52
Quoted from HistonMariner
Compare the last two 0 v 0 draws.
Cambridge a side similar to us (SO FAR) .   We had our backs to the wall throughout - we only had  
one in intention, didn't look to play too much, did a job and rode our luck.  Probably reflected the
Managers state of mind.

Cheltenham a side significantly above us (SO FAR).  We were probably a bit unfortunate not to go in
with a lead at half time. Players look to be behind the Manager and were trying to play.  Overall more
positive, reflecting the Managers state of mind.

Limbrick has had fewer options given injuries and illness.  Limbricks stated desire for a consistent approach reflects a more balanced state of mind.

Desire, confidence and luck will be significant factors that will largely determine our season.
Desire - it appears to have improved in the last week or so.
Confidence - will increase after a performance like Cheltenham > Cambridge.
Luck - tends to follow those teams who are getting results.


Cautious optimism - very cautious.  Half full > half empty.  UTMM.


Good summation IMO. Agree with the comments about Cambridge and Cheltenham.

Re: luck - maybe the results follow the luck rather than the other way 🙂
Posted by: Tommy, November 27, 2019, 11:35am; Reply: 53
As far as 0-0's go, it was a decent game. Obviously more so the first half, were I actually thought we looked like an actual football team.

Even though we lost at Northampton and didn't score last night either, I though we've looked far better set up in these last 2 games than we have been under Jolley all season, where we usually looked like we didn't have a plan for what to do when we had the ball. I'm encouraged by what Limbrick's done in that regard already. I know any Manager is ultimately judged on results, but the transformation in how we've looked as a team in the last two games (not full games so still room for improvement, I know) enthuses me far more than if we'd scrambled a 1-0 win last night by playing no football, looking clueless and fluking a disputable penalty decision.

First half we should have had goals to merit our play. Several chances and half chances. Played some good football at times and I sat watching thinking it was good to watch us looking to pass the ball as it's been so long. Second half we didn't sustain this but still competed and defended well. The little nippy lad who came on for them looked dangerous but aside from that we defended well and people threw their bodies in front of shots to get blocks in.

Gibson and Rose linked up well at times to get both of them at varying times in behind their wing-back.
Thought Rose's first half was as effective as I've seen him actually. Quite involved, high up the pitch, and a lovely bit of play when he retrieved a ball from his own heavy touch, then twisted and turned around the defender and drove into the box.

Harry Clifton much improved from Saturday in my opinion. I thought on Saturday he was OK but left the area he was supposed to be protecting too often which left us very vulnerable and the centre-backs exposed. Last night however he patrolled and protected in front of the back 4 very well. Could hear AL reminding him a couple of times. It's a new role for Harry though after previously being more of a box-to-box type midfielder. If he keeps that positional discipline and awareness he showed last night, it's a role he could go on to play very well. I thought in possession he used it fairly well. Don't remember him giving the ball away much and he received it well letting it run across his body to open up the pitch for himself a lot. A couple of times he also sprinted back when we were being countered and won the ball superbly well. I actually think after seeing him there for 2 games now that he could make this deeper midfield position his own and be better there than he has been previously further forward. He played some good forward passes or switches last night but I don't think he has the creativity with intricate little passes through a more crowded final third that others do, so will be interested to see if he keeps up his development in this position.

The fight and effort from the players was clear for all to see. At various points in the game, Green, Clifton, Gibson, Hewitt and Hanson all sprinted and busted a gut to get back and defend when Cheltenham broke forward.

The formation is an interesting aspect and one that gives me hope of how Limbrick can set a team up too. Yes it was 433....but it was actually 433. Usually when Hurst, Bignot, Slade or Jolley tried 433, it just always looked like 451. Even when 3 strikers were picked, they ended up playing like wingers in a 451 for 90 minutes. Last night, whilst Rose and Green were asked to track back and do that job at times, it was noticeable how they were left upfield alongside Hanson in situations that forced Cheltenham to keep their wingbacks back alongside their 3 centre backs. This then helped our full backs get further forward and join in attacks too.

We don't look that far off but are being hampered by the players we're missing through injury. Hopefully Hanson won't be a serious injury because he's a class act and is much more involved when we play the ball on the deck a bit more. Without pinning too much pressure on Max Wright, put him as the wide right forward in the 3 up top and it'll give a whole new dimension and threat to us going forward. Hendrie can't get back quick enough for me either. He might not have been in his best form before he got injured, but he's a better right back then Hewitt IMO, who defended 1v1's ok last night to stop crosses coming in, but was very wasteful with the ball. Robson came on and showed with the amount of times he hit a quick first-time pass to someone at pace, that he has good awareness and an ongoing picture of what's around him. I think the more football we play, the more it'll suit him.

All in all, not delighted with the point or a goalless draw as one posted earlier in the thread suggested some people are, but there's a clear progression in the way we're playing at the moment. And if there's no immediate outstanding candidate available for the Manager's position, I have no problem with Limbrick carrying on a bit longer to see if he can continue the improvements and start to turn them into points gained.

UTM
Posted by: MuddyWaters, November 27, 2019, 12:01pm; Reply: 54
On reflection, last night showed that we probably have the ingredients but aren't quite sure of the recipe yet.

What appears to be happening is that AL/BD/DM are trying to implement a pattern for all games whereas Jolley wanted to change shape every five minutes. This is League 2 with League 2 players who probably aren't capable of adapting their game - it was very noticeable last night that Clifton and particularly Rose were getting loads of instructions from the bench, whereas the more experienced were left to their own devices.

Personally, I think our goalie and back 4 are OK - even to the point that Hewitt is a better right back than Hendrie. I certainly prefer Waterfall, Davis and Pollock to Ohman.  Our midfield also looked decent last night and having Clifton in the sitting role as opposed to Hess suits us. Whitehouse played better last night but I don't think we'll ever see the best of him and he probably only played because Robson had been ill and I don't think it suits Green playing wide at all and that Wright, Rose, Cook and probably Vernam could play that role better than him.

There was enough there last night not to go gung-ho with a new manager, particularly some of the names mentioned, it was certainly better than the last three home games.
Posted by: TAGG, November 27, 2019, 12:31pm; Reply: 55
Enjoyed the game for the first time in ages.
The first half was reminiscent of the Exeter game.
Some great pass and move, fullbacks bombing on, closing down and front men showing for a change.
It was some great defending and goalkeeping that we didnt win last night.
Great to see our Harry back to his best again my MOM
Onward and upward
UTM
Posted by: Tommy, November 27, 2019, 12:36pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from MuddyWaters
On reflection, last night showed that we probably have the ingredients but aren't quite sure of the recipe yet.

What appears to be happening is that AL/BD/DM are trying to implement a pattern for all games whereas Jolley wanted to change shape every five minutes. This is League 2 with League 2 players who probably aren't capable of adapting their game - it was very noticeable last night that Clifton and particularly Rose were getting loads of instructions from the bench, whereas the more experienced were left to their own devices.



This looks clear to me too.

I get the impression that under Jolley, this season particularly, we tried to change our game plan every week to suit whoever we were playing against. Now don't get me wrong, it's good management to be aware of your next opponents strengths and weaknesses to be able to prepare your players. But in my opinion this should be through little tweaks or advice/information here and there, not changing our line-up, formation or the way we want to play each week to suit the opposition (whether it be to deal with their strengths or to take advantage of their weakness).

That's only the impression I've got from watching games this season. And maybe it's why we've looked so disjointed and even in games where we've looked fairly solid out of possession, haven't looked like we've had a clue what we're doing in possession (other than going long to Hanson). And why we never really built up an identity or any patterns of play.

If we trained all week to face an opponent on the Saturday but the game is then called off, what a waste of a week that was working on a specific game plan that will change the following week when we're playing someone different. If we spent time working on how WE want to play and what we want to do, stemming from the Manager's philosophy, then it would've still been a productive week of an extra 5 days developing what we want to do, so even if the game gets called off, it's still valuable as it still goes towards the next game and building how we want to play our game.

I'm not saying ignore the opposition and I don't agree that when some people say we shouldn't worry about what the opposition are doing and just focus on ourselves. But there's a balance and if you go too far towards being opponent-focused, you end up with no identity yourselves. And that's sometimes what players can buy into and work hard for because they believe in it. You do have to consider the opposition and adapt little things here and there, maybe occasionally changing your own shape in more extreme circumstances.
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 12:41pm; Reply: 57
Quoted from barralad


Come on fella...no need for the "pound shop Ipswin" impression. Tons better than Newport away and better by degrees than Northampton. Work in progress 8)


Oi! intercourse off! I don't use your name, kindly don't use mine

Moderator, you are pretty quick to delete posts where someone complains, please action this

Thank you

Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 12:45pm; Reply: 58
Quoted from Ipswin


Oi! intercourse off! I don't use your name, kindly don't use mine

Moderator, you are pretty quick to delete posts where someone complains, please action this

Thank you



It was a compliment. I can remove it if you like?! Bit strange though.
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 12:53pm; Reply: 59
Quoted from Biccys


It was a compliment. I can remove it if you like?! Bit strange though.


Yes please do, as with complaints made about and deletions of other posts it is a matter of interpretation and how the complainant sees it, I do not see this as a compliment

Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 12:53pm; Reply: 60
You don't like compliments? How odd. Are you not used to them?
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, November 27, 2019, 12:54pm; Reply: 61
Would you prefer it if we called you 'The poundshop jonnyboy' Swin?
Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 12:55pm; Reply: 62
There you go precious, your name is removed from Barra's post. Shame you decided to quote it in your own post though. You can edit that yourself if it really means that much to you.
Posted by: sam gy, November 27, 2019, 12:57pm; Reply: 63
Wow.  ;D
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 12:58pm; Reply: 64
Quoted from Biccys
You don't like compliments? How odd. Are you not used to them?


As I have explained I do not see it as such and whether I have interpreted it in the way it was meant is not the issue here. Please be consistent and act in the way the complainant has requested in this matter as you have in others. To quote yourself 'This will be the last communique on the matter'
Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 1:01pm; Reply: 65
I look forward to you removing your name from your own post you quoted it on too, if it really is interpreted by you as offensive. Or is this just a foot stamping exercise because you were called out previously? Hmmmm...

You should remove your abusive language too.

Thanks.
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 1:05pm; Reply: 66
Quoted from Biccys
. Or is this just a foot stamping exercise because you were called out previously?

.


It's a matter of consistency as I am sure you realise

Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 1:06pm; Reply: 67
Not really. Using your username isn't an offensive term is it? To anyone.
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 1:08pm; Reply: 68
Quoted from Biccys
Not really. Using your username isn't an offensive term is it? To anyone.


In the way it was used I saw it as such and anyway, its all in the eye of the complainant and how he or she interprets it (as in the complaint against me which we have discussed at length), isn't it?

Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 1:11pm; Reply: 69
Quoted from Ipswin


As I have explained I do not see it as such and whether I have interpreted it in the way it was meant is not the issue here. Please be consistent and act in the way the complainant has requested in this matter as you have in others. To quote yourself 'This will be the last communique on the matter'


You clearly know you're deliberately misinterpreting this, else why would you write this? Kindly remove your name from your own post if you've got an issue with it. It's within your powers to do so.
Posted by: Tommy, November 27, 2019, 1:19pm; Reply: 70
Any danger of doing this by PM lads?
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 1:20pm; Reply: 71
Quoted from Biccys


You clearly know you're deliberately misinterpreting this, else why would you write this? .


I am not deliberately misinterpreting it at all, I saw it as an unnecessary 'dig' and if you view it differently I would welcome your take on how you saw it as a compliment as I would welcome the opportunity to discuss the view of whoever complained about my post. Everyone should be granted the same opportunity surely?

Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 1:21pm; Reply: 72
Quoted from Tommy
Any danger of doing this by PM lads?


We have been exchanging PMs on another complaint and deletion since yesterday! Sorry

Posted by: grimsby pete, November 27, 2019, 1:23pm; Reply: 73
Anyway back to the game last night,

I thought all that was lacking was confidence in front of goal.

All the other bits we did a lot better of late but when we had a chance to shoot at goal the players bottled it.
This is because none of them have scored many lately we just need a bit of luck and their confidence will return and then we can start winning games again.

Keep the faith it will get better.
Posted by: Mrbump53, November 27, 2019, 1:29pm; Reply: 74
Think last night was frustrating that we did not get the goal in the first half and the players showed commitment. Don't think anyone had a truly outstanding game as nearly everyone made a mistake at times.

They were set up to defend with six across the back at times and in the second half even put seven in the back row. It can be difficult to play against teams who do this and they were pushing up to catch our players offside which condensed the effective playing area significantly at times.

Liked the efforts for the front players to get back when they broke forward (which looked like it was their game plan) and that probably didn't help hanson when he tried to get back on one occasion as he went off shortly after.

After half time they seemed to get a but more physical with a few kicks, grapples and shoves coming in but in the main they were dealt with. They also caused some hesitant moments when they pressed high and a few times we rode our luck.

In all some improvement and there is more room for improvement but I shall still be optimistic that we won't be a in relegation battle and that we can build on the performance from last night.

UTM
Posted by: MuddyWaters, November 27, 2019, 1:47pm; Reply: 75
I'd also put in a word for the ref last night who, without being faultless, was one of the better officials to visit BP in recent times.
Posted by: Fishy clapper, November 27, 2019, 2:18pm; Reply: 76
Act your age Swin you old girl private
Posted by: jonnyboy82, November 27, 2019, 2:19pm; Reply: 77
Quoted from Rodley Mariner
Would you prefer it if we called you 'The poundshop jonnyboy' Swin?


Slander  ;D  ;D
Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 2:24pm; Reply: 78
Quoted from jonnyboy82


Slander  ;D  ;D


Not you as well.... ;)
Posted by: Civvy at last, November 27, 2019, 2:26pm; Reply: 79
Quoted from Biccys
There you go precious, your name is removed from Barra's post. Shame you decided to quote it in your own post though. You can edit that yourself if it really means that much to you.


Biccys. All you have to do is buy his book and he’ll love you forever. Seemed to have worked with JF  ;)
Posted by: 137 (Guest), November 27, 2019, 2:48pm; Reply: 80
Play nicely, children...
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 3:20pm; Reply: 81
Quoted from Fishy clapper
Act your age Swin you old girl private



And I object to that too. Are you up Biccy's bottom by any chance or perhaps you are party to the details of our main disagreement??
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 3:21pm; Reply: 82
Quoted from Civvy at last


Biccys. All you have to do is buy his book and he’ll love you forever. Seemed to have worked with JF  ;)


Waste of time him buying it, there are some big words in it
Posted by: jonnyboy82, November 27, 2019, 3:26pm; Reply: 83
Quoted from Biccys


Not you as well.... ;)


😂😂😂
Posted by: ivanosandwich, November 27, 2019, 3:28pm; Reply: 84
Quoted from Ipswin


Oi! intercourse off! I don't use your name, kindly don't use mine

Moderator, you are pretty quick to delete posts where someone complains, please action this

Thank you



Interesting that you have insisted that it be removed on the original post, which I can see it has been, yet you quote it and it's there for all to see.

Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 3:32pm; Reply: 85
Quoted from ivanosandwich


Interesting that you have insisted that it be removed on the original post, which I can see it has been, yet you quote it and it's there for all to see.



Are you Biccy in disguise? You are two hours behind in pointing that out and now its there for a third time . Anyway it won't matter soon as I have been threatened with expulsion from the Fishy for not toeing the party line and disputing a moderators decision
Posted by: ivanosandwich, November 27, 2019, 3:45pm; Reply: 86
Quoted from Ipswin


Are you Biccy in disguise? You are two hours behind in pointing that out and now its there for a third time . Anyway it won't matter soon as I have been threatened with expulsion from the Fishy for not toeing the party line and disputing a moderators decision


Sorry for pointing it out again and..........goodbye
Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 4:34pm; Reply: 87
Quoted from Ipswin


Waste of time him buying it, there are some big words in it


Any racist ones?
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 4:46pm; Reply: 88
Quoted from Biccys


Any racist ones?


I think not, but of course you, (and he who complained about me whose identity you are protecting and who has, as I predicted, convinced you that I am a racist) would no doubt convince yourselves that you have found some.

Posted by: TownSNAFU5, November 27, 2019, 4:53pm; Reply: 89
When did a Just Back thread from a 0-0 draw generate nearly a 100 comments?  

To clarify: slander refers to the spoken word.  Libel refers to the written word.  
Posted by: Biccys, November 27, 2019, 5:09pm; Reply: 90
Quoted from Ipswin


I think not, but of course you, (and he who complained about me whose identity you are protecting and who has, as I predicted, convinced you that I am a racist) would no doubt convince yourselves that you have found some.



I think you'll find I told you I don't think you're racist at all, I'm just trying to see if there's a pattern of behaviour that could perhaps lead to some education.
Posted by: Rik e B, November 27, 2019, 5:19pm; Reply: 91
Bloomin' snowflake generation eh
Posted by: friskneymariner, November 27, 2019, 5:23pm; Reply: 92
Sorry to interrupt this thread with a football related topic.It was noticeable last night we were giving away a lot less stupid free-kicks whilst defending
Posted by: MuddyWaters, November 27, 2019, 5:25pm; Reply: 93
Quoted from friskneymariner
Sorry to interrupt this thread with a football related topic.It was noticeable last night we were giving away a lot less stupid free-kicks whilst defending


We don't when Ohman isn't playing. Davis and Waterfall are a lot less clumsy.
Posted by: FishOutOfWater, November 27, 2019, 5:55pm; Reply: 94
All this back-chatting from certain posters reminds me how some of the opposition players chew the refs' ears off to try and wind down the clock so that they don't have to focus on the game in hand  ;)

Anyway I got back from the game last night in a more or less positive frame of mind.... better than I had anticipated beforehand

We didn't lose, we didn't concede and generally we gave a good account of ourselves

With a little bit more luck ( or composure?) we should have scored and with a goal and the crowd behind the team ( apart from those who only go to whinge ) we might well have gone on to win

All in all, a point against a well-organised, hard-working outfit ( as usual ) so I was reasonably happy when I got back in this morning

UTM  ATAW
Posted by: 140067 (Guest), November 27, 2019, 6:01pm; Reply: 95
Quoted from Ipswin


Yes please do, as with complaints made about and deletions of other posts it is a matter of interpretation and how the complainant sees it, I do not see this as a compliment



Ha ha ha how pathetic pound shop ha ha. Had better get back to his homework.
Posted by: oochiad, November 27, 2019, 6:11pm; Reply: 96
We really are in turmoil............
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 6:42pm; Reply: 97
Quoted from TownSNAFU5
When did a Just Back thread from a 0-0 draw generate nearly a 100 comments?  

To clarify: slander refers to the spoken word.  Libel refers to the written word.  


I am well aware of that and in this case we are talking the written word in respect of a PM sent from the anonymous complainant to the moderator

I am quite happy to have this discussion transferred by my favourite moderator to a thread in 'non-footy'
Posted by: Ipswin, November 27, 2019, 6:47pm; Reply: 98
Quoted from Biccys


I think you'll find I told you I don't think you're racist at all, I'm just trying to see if there's a pattern of behaviour that could perhaps lead to some education.


Does that explain why you enquired if my book contained any racist words?

Posted by: 140067 (Guest), November 27, 2019, 6:57pm; Reply: 99
Quoted from Ipswin


Yes please do, as with complaints made about and deletions of other posts it is a matter of interpretation and how the complainant sees it, I do not see this as a compliment



Ha ha ha how pathetic pound shop ha ha. Had better get back to his homework.
Posted by: golfer, November 27, 2019, 7:40pm; Reply: 100
Quoted from Ipswin



And I object to that too. Are you up Biccy's bottom by any chance or perhaps you are party to the details of our main disagreement??


Have just had a look at Biccy's bottom and there is nobody stuck up there. I also looked at Fishy Clappers bottom and all he had up it was a flask he smuggled into the ground last night.
Posted by: Civvy at last, November 27, 2019, 8:18pm; Reply: 101
Quoted from golfer


Have just had a look at Biccy's bottom and there is nobody stuck up there. I also looked at Fishy Clappers bottom and all he had up it was a flask he smuggled into the ground last night.


FAO Nick Dale.

I’m pretty sure the above was meant tongue in cheek.

So please stand down the 200 stewards with rubber gloves and torches!!
Posted by: friskneymariner, November 27, 2019, 9:13pm; Reply: 102
Some one just had to rattle his cage,they couldn't resist it could they,it's like giving a Gremlin water after midnight.
Posted by: golfer, November 27, 2019, 9:35pm; Reply: 103
Quoted from Civvy at last


FAO Nick Dale.

I’m pretty sure the above was meant tongue in cheek.

So please stand down the 200 stewards with rubber gloves and torches!!


Who's tongue ?
Posted by: Rik e B, November 28, 2019, 12:51am; Reply: 104
Which cheek?
Posted by: KingstonMariner, November 28, 2019, 1:25pm; Reply: 105
Quoted from Rik e B
Bloomin' snowflake generation eh


Ironic given Swin's age.
Posted by: barralad, November 28, 2019, 4:15pm; Reply: 106
Not one for upsetting people. I've apologised to Swin by P.M.

Time to move on I reckon. I don't come on here very often now. Probably better make it even more infrequently😕
Posted by: Ipswin, November 28, 2019, 4:25pm; Reply: 107
Quoted from barralad
Not one for upsetting people. I've apologised to Swin by P.M.

Time to move on I reckon. I don't come on here very often now. Probably better make it even more infrequently😕


No problem mate - I have replied to you by PM

Posted by: Ipswin, November 28, 2019, 4:27pm; Reply: 108
Quoted from KingstonMariner


Ironic given Swin's age.


I have had much worse as you know, It was really to prove a point, a principle was at stake

Posted by: Civvy at last, November 28, 2019, 5:23pm; Reply: 109
Quoted from barralad
Not one for upsetting people. I've apologised to Swin by P.M.

Time to move on I reckon. I don't come on here very often now. Probably better make it even more infrequently😕


Well you’ve upset me Barra. I’m sure Borris has far more important things to do at the moment than sort out Swins little tantrum. ?
Posted by: Ipswin, November 28, 2019, 6:14pm; Reply: 110
Quoted from Civvy at last


Well you’ve upset me Barra. I’m sure Borris has far more important things to do at the moment than sort out Swins little tantrum. ?


Unless Biccy has briefed you on the situation you won't realise, there was (and still is) an  unresolved important matter which affects me. Barra was purely an aside
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