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Posted by: Freemoash88, November 16, 2019, 8:59pm
This is doing the rounds on Facebook.

Make of it you will. If you can’t tell he’s telling Matt Dean
What for.

https://wetransfer.com/downloads/f3d1ac515dbe13cec05361a91b7f9c1d20191116160353/b22b08?src=dnl
Posted by: Brough Mariner, November 16, 2019, 9:07pm; Reply: 1
Oh dear.

Language would make a docker blush.
Posted by: Yoda, November 16, 2019, 9:10pm; Reply: 2
Oh dear oh dear.
What does Jolly expect a stellar budget he’s a manager from nowhere given a chance.
Cheltenham manager has done ok.
Posted by: jonnyboy82, November 16, 2019, 9:10pm; Reply: 3
Ahhh matt dean's fault as to why he played elliot Whitehouse on the wing and matt dean's fault we hoofed it 60 yards.

When is our club gonna stop blaming the local media for absolutely everything.

Embarrassing
Posted by: Freemoash88, November 16, 2019, 9:13pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from jonnyboy82
Ahhh matt dean's fault as to why he played elliot Whitehouse on the wing and matt dean's fault we hoofed it 60 yards.

When is our club gonna stop blaming the local media for absolutely everything.

Embarrassing


Fully agree mate.  Disgusting behaviour
Posted by: chaos33, November 16, 2019, 9:24pm; Reply: 5
This makes me really sad. I did really like Jolley but this places things in a different light. What a crying shame and a blemish on the club to hear all that. I’m also dismayed (but not surprised) to hear him him say ‘we could be going to f***ing Braintree and Borehamwood’ and ‘have you seen our budget?!’. I feel sorry for myself and all my fellow supporters to hear this tawdry tirade and to now fully comprehend just how everyone associated with that club have let people down. GTFC don’t deserve the support. They really don’t.  Low standards abound. No investment. No class. No ambition. No dignity. No future. :-(
Posted by: Marinerz93, November 16, 2019, 9:27pm; Reply: 6
I haven't seen the budget did he show anyone the budget or just intimate it was just a bag dog shite, with no glitter.
Posted by: Yoda, November 16, 2019, 9:33pm; Reply: 7
Did Matt Dean make him hoof the ball up to Hanson all season.

UEFA  A license your having a laugh.
Posted by: chaos33, November 16, 2019, 9:33pm; Reply: 8
He’s obviously letting his guard down and leaking the fact that the budget is cr@p. And I doubt it surprises anyone. That is disappointing enough as it is, but we’ve seen other managers doing well with small budgets and Jolley can’t escape the fact that he was making a mess. Sh1t budget,  and sh1t management and sh1t on-field performances - hence my remarks about the whole club letting the supporters down.
Posted by: Rik e B, November 16, 2019, 9:36pm; Reply: 9
Lost it. We all know Radio Hull are generally against us (Tondeir aside) but Tondeur and Dean are pretty tame compared to most journos and rarely ask really pressing questions having had their wings clipped many a time.
Posted by: oochiad, November 16, 2019, 9:45pm; Reply: 10
What ever the budget is he put together a decent enough team that, when on their day can beat the league leaders at their place. The thing is he couldn’t work out how to keep the team from playing well as he couldn’t stop tinkering.....
Posted by: RichMariner, November 16, 2019, 9:45pm; Reply: 11
I’m not naive enough to believe managers are exactly as they appear in front of the camera or microphone when they’re back in the changing room or at the training ground but, dear me, Jolley sounds unhinged here.

I always thought he spoke respectfully and intelligently but to hear this makes me lose sympathy with him. Journalists are there to ask tough questions.

Too many people in football just expect an easy ride and then lose their damn minds when someone dares to question their judgment. I wouldn’t want to be a journalist now. I set out with ambitions to be one but if that’s what it’s like when you’re trying to do your job then it’s more bother than it’s worth.
Posted by: fishboyUTM, November 16, 2019, 9:49pm; Reply: 12
Quoted from Marinerz93
I haven't seen the budget did he show anyone the budget or just intimate it was just a bag dog shite, with no glitter.


We're a PLC so the budget is freely available each year. Off the top of my head, I believe it was around the £2m mark, but that is total wage expenditure so will include non playing staff as well. I'm sure JSF would describe it as a competitive budget, we are living to our means to be fair. Maybe we'd have more bums on seats if the manager didn't play such turgid football. Maybe the 2k attendance last week and the defensive 11 behind the ball for an hour against Real Newport finished him off. And rightly so IMO.
Posted by: bobbyturtle, November 16, 2019, 9:57pm; Reply: 13
oops
Posted by: bobbyturtle, November 16, 2019, 9:57pm; Reply: 14
oops
Posted by: HertsGTFC, November 16, 2019, 9:58pm; Reply: 15
Listened to the link and what a complete tool if he was still here I'd be embarrassed that he's our Manager.............    

He massively contradicts himself when he goes on about being asked decent questions in all of his time as Manager of GTFC I don't think he''s aver given a straight answer. Also what's of concern is that he seems to insinuate that we would be playing in the National League if it wasn't for him or maybe I heard that wrong. Yes the budget is clearly poor but clearly his A licence course session on blame the lack of finance stuck even if how to set up a back 4 and get the players passing the ball didn't. .


Personally I think JT struggles with asking challenging questions and Matt Dean's questions are usually pretty "leading" and if he doesn't get the answer he wants he just re-phrases it again and again....... Rob Statham is decent Mike White is very good but Jolley gets one thing right Dave Burns is indeed a complete c0ck. As a licence payer I'm entitled to an opinion however I wouldn't dream of disseminating it to the above broadcasters accompanied by a volley of personal abuse.

They might be poor at their job "in his opinion" but Grimsby Town 0 - Leyton Orient 4 makes me think of the phrase "pot calling kettle". Also in defence of Matt Dean and JT nobody should have to come to work to face that level of abuse if I spoke to a customer or supplier like that I'd be fired .............. and who knows maybe that tirade was the catalyst to his exit.

Re the budget - He talks about research well clearly in his conversations with previous managers he didn't do his if he has he'd have know JF and the boys don't back managers, rarely invest in facilities for supporters and generally treat the dissenting support with contempt....... well at least the last point would suggest he has something in common with them there,.    
Posted by: Hagrid, November 16, 2019, 9:58pm; Reply: 16
RH should tell the club to intercourse off. Disgusting from Jollet, just 2 years after the conduct of JF and the bald one at the forum
Posted by: Mariner Timsky, November 16, 2019, 10:00pm; Reply: 17
Who is in the room at this recording?? Is it MJ , JT and MD??
Posted by: devs, November 16, 2019, 10:00pm; Reply: 18
He obviously lost it big time
Can't defend it
But Dean and Tondeur are absolute lightweights
Tondeur is our Motty - in such a comfort zone he's become a caricature of himself
And he never ever says anything 100% yes or no
Asks questions like he's afraid of upsetting the applecart

"Well Michael, what did you make of that"
What a searching question!

Never asks the pertinent questions

"Why did you change a winning team from Exeter"
"Why do you constantly play players out of position"
"Why does the attacking option seem to be hoof it to Hanson"
"Why don't you play a settled side"

Dean tends to be very brave when he's in comfort of the radio station

With is great questioning such as "How big a win was that"

He deserves the answer "very big/quite big - next question"

So while Jolley was out of order he is 100% about him (and Tondeur) being complete lightweights
Posted by: devs, November 16, 2019, 10:01pm; Reply: 19
He obviously lost it big time
Can't defend it
But Dean and Tondeur are absolute lightweights
Tondeur is our Motty - in such a comfort zone he's become a caricature of himself
And he never ever says anything 100% yes or no
Asks questions like he's afraid of upsetting the applecart

"Well Michael, what did you make of that"
What a searching question!

Never asks the pertinent questions

"Why did you change a winning team from Exeter"
"Why do you constantly play players out of position"
"Why does the attacking option seem to be hoof it to Hanson"
"Why don't you play a settled side"

Dean tends to be very brave when he's in comfort of the radio station

With is great questioning such as "How big a win was that"

He deserves the answer "very big/quite big - next question"

So while Jolley was out of order he is 100% about him (and Tondeur) being complete lightweights
Posted by: headingly_mariner, November 16, 2019, 10:02pm; Reply: 20
This after we’d been spanked 4-0 at home. Too negative 😂 What a girl private!

He has shown himself to be completely out of his depth. Back to bean counting or kids football methinks
Posted by: jimgtfc, November 16, 2019, 10:02pm; Reply: 21
Wow 😳
Posted by: moosey_club, November 16, 2019, 10:04pm; Reply: 22
From my interpretation he was actually calling them for NOT having the balls to ask him tough questions to his face but happily slag him off in reports and other post match chatter.
Either way he sounded completely unprofessional and out of control.

However i dont think JF would sack him for giving RH a rocket, would be more likely to extend his contract !!

It does however , yet again, put the club in a poor light and shows how fractured the relations are with arguably our biggest local media partner.



Posted by: RichMariner, November 16, 2019, 10:05pm; Reply: 23
I'm not sure they are lightweights.

From what Jolley was saying, in between the swear words, I think he was having a go at them for asking the pertinent questions (which, of course, are always going to be negative in his opinion).

When was this recorded (pre- or post-sacking), and who recorded it?
Posted by: AndyGTFC, November 16, 2019, 10:08pm; Reply: 24
Very over the top reaction but yeah as said above it is more about not asking tough questions to his face.

Typical that this has somehow leaked now as well. What a club.
Posted by: bawarmy, November 16, 2019, 10:09pm; Reply: 25
I think more of Jolley now than I did. I didn’t think he had any passion and that was the main problem but listening to this he does. We all know as long as Fenty is here we are fooked. He is the problem , no manager can do anything here while that male private has  a say in this club. I’m on my 44th year of supporting the mariners and I have seen all the good times and all the Fenty times.
I wish he would go and let the good times return .
Posted by: jamesgtfc, November 16, 2019, 10:10pm; Reply: 26
There will have been more than those 3 in the room. A mixture of staff and various members of the press.

The opportune moment he refers to would have been at Cheapside where there are less people to record or by picking the phone up.
Posted by: promotion plaice, November 16, 2019, 10:10pm; Reply: 27

Would be nice to hear Getyourfactsright's take on all this on here !!!
Posted by: headingly_mariner, November 16, 2019, 10:11pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from moosey_club
From my interpretation he was actually calling them for NOT having the balls to ask him tough questions to his face but happily slag him off in reports and other post match chatter.
Either way he sounded completely unprofessional and out of control.

However i dont think JF would sack him for giving RH a rocket, would be more likely to extend his contract !!

It does however , yet again, put the club in a poor light and shows how fractured the relations are with arguably our biggest local media partner.





Absolutely. They’ve obviously not been happy with him and used this to get him out. No coincidence that the club are getting a bit of flak for sacking him and this is released. The club had the recording.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, November 16, 2019, 10:15pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from promotion plaice

Would be nice to hear Getyourfactsright's take on all this on here !!!


Be careful what you wish for........
Posted by: Alfie, November 16, 2019, 10:18pm; Reply: 30
Wow, astonishing to listen to. Think a lot less of MJ now. Football aside, that's a horrific, nasty way to talk to anyone. Like talking to your worst enemy - let alone a professional whose line of questioning irks you.
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, November 16, 2019, 10:18pm; Reply: 31
Just to add that Accrington got promoted from this division with virtually no budget.  And the club was very well-run with a very sensible Chairman.
Posted by: grimsby pete, November 16, 2019, 10:19pm; Reply: 32
Jolley let himself down big-time there disgusting behaviour reminded me when I worked on the building sites.
Posted by: RichMariner, November 16, 2019, 10:20pm; Reply: 33
I counted 58 uses of the word 'flipping' in just over four minutes, which makes it one roughly every five seconds. That's some sustained swearing. The bloke was angry.

Don't know who recorded it. Don't know when it was recorded. Don't know who leaked it. Don't know the real reason(s) why he was sacked.

Instead of me feeling upset, angry and disillusioned at the board, I now feel upset, angry and disillusioned at everything. I really thought we were making progress in the last year, with a settled manager, a good squad, some decent results, a cup run, players like Rose, Wright and Pollock making it into the first team, a better Twitter account, some really nice initiatives off the pitch...

And yet, at the core, we're just as rotten as we've always been. We've somehow managed to make one of the most intelligent, articulate and educated managers we've ever had sound like absolute gutter trash.

Maybe he brought it on himself. Maybe that's the real Jolley. Either way, this club is negative to the core and the buck stops with you know who.
Posted by: chaos33, November 16, 2019, 10:21pm; Reply: 34
Totally agree
Posted by: ska face, November 16, 2019, 10:23pm; Reply: 35
I’m not sure why he’s so mad, I thought we did our PR on the pitch?
Posted by: marinerdazza, November 16, 2019, 10:24pm; Reply: 36
The account that leaked it on twitter was created today and has now been deleted...
Posted by: promotion plaice, November 16, 2019, 10:24pm; Reply: 37
Quoted from ska face
I’m not sure why he’s so mad, I thought we did our PR on the pitch?

That was the problem.

Posted by: Rodley Mariner, November 16, 2019, 10:26pm; Reply: 38
flipping disgrace.
Posted by: bawarmy, November 16, 2019, 10:30pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Alfie
Wow, astonishing to listen to. Think a lot less of MJ now. Football aside, that's a horrific, nasty way to talk to anyone. Like talking to your worst enemy - let alone a professional whose line of questioning irks you.


It’s not knitting club.  Grow a pair
Posted by: marinerdazza, November 16, 2019, 10:33pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from bawarmy


It’s not knitting club.  Grow a pair


Agreed. If you think that managers, footballers and journalists speak to each other like they’re playing backgammon in a gentleman’s club then you really need to get out more. I’ve had worse than this.
Posted by: Mariner Ronnie, November 16, 2019, 10:33pm; Reply: 41
I’ve had a listen to the link in the OP and after looking at the 30odd reply’s, I’ve thought better of than putting a response.
Posted by: denni266, November 16, 2019, 10:34pm; Reply: 42
Well well well. not so jolly Jolley. Seems his fine well spoken words where just like i said 2 tears ago, just that. And i for one was not conned by them, He needs to go back counting kids pocket money as he is no manager.. reasons are ... cannot tell left from right.. does not know a defender from a midfielder  or a striker from a winger. I am suprised that Macca did not get a go at right winger . I was right at the beginning , right in the middle and right at the end and rode the stick i got for it.. Imo he  fluffed his way into a job he could not do , And when things started to show he lost it , Glad he has gone
Posted by: salfordmariner, November 16, 2019, 10:38pm; Reply: 43
Clearly someone who has had enough. I said in my last post the Stevenage hotel 'gate' was the last straw with him and he clearly has just lost the flipping plot here and has lost interest in the 'project'.

I bet fenty was loving him during this when he was laying into dean. Until he mentioned our excrement budget and where we should be in our league. I can literally vision fenty walking out at that point making hand signals like Sacha baron cohen in the dictator.
Posted by: DocDock, November 16, 2019, 10:47pm; Reply: 44
Do we know or have an idea of who leaked this? Seems rather convenient that this was leaked a day after his sacking....
Posted by: HertsGTFC, November 16, 2019, 10:47pm; Reply: 45
Quoted from TownSNAFU5
Just to add that Accrington got promoted from this division with virtually no budget.  And the club was very well-run with a very sensible Chairman.


Well at least we have one thing in common there......  
Posted by: promotion plaice, November 16, 2019, 10:49pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from salfordmariner
I bet fenty was loving him during this when he was laying into dean. Until he mentioned our excrement budget and where we should be in our league. I can literally vision fenty walking out at that point making hand signals like Sacha baron cohen in the dictator.

That vision is going to live with me for some time   ;D

Is there a Hitler thing on youtube yet about all this ???

Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, November 16, 2019, 10:58pm; Reply: 47
None of the journalists has any reputation for asking questions that are rude or even particularly difficult. Indeed, on here we have quite often criticised their lack of direct criticism and incisiveness when interviewing Hurst, Bignot and Jolley. They ask easy stuff that elicits pat answers, flannel, and that is exactly what Jolley has been giving the press and the supporters for the whole of his time here.

Therefore you have to wonder why he lost it. The stuff he is using to justify a tirade of ridiculously OTT industrial language that would make a filleter blush is clearly a bunch of excuses, a cover up for his own inadequacies. No-one pretends BP is a paradise filled with money. He knew all about the budgets, he knew all about the club, he knew all about the media before he started. He is an expert on self-promotion and social media. Most tellingly, he has had nothing critical to say in the press room until his own actions caused the job to go pear shaped..

Just to rub it in, he then has the nerve to say on social media what a privilege it was to work at the club.

I never did rate him as an appointment but now he seems to be a hypocrite as well. Who would want to employ him? I suspect he walked, he wasn’t pushed and like I said on another thread I would not be in the least surprised if he gave up the club managerial business.
Posted by: Croxton, November 16, 2019, 11:07pm; Reply: 48
Too many courses on Tactics, not enough on leadership skills. He failed to act 'in role' where you leave personal grievance in the locker with other baggage and endeavour to be as professional as you can muster. Easier said than done I know. I've had a colleague's hand on my shoulder many times in a 40 year career. Some people just have the knack of taking excrement and dealing with it. The rest of us have to be guided.
Posted by: Heisenberg, November 16, 2019, 11:08pm; Reply: 49
Well well well, that audio clip is quite astonishing. It has ensured that a) Jolley has lost all credibility and sympathy from the fans, and b) outed Fenty’s budget as being woefully inadequate. That is one effective hand grenade to lob in there!!!
Posted by: Heisenberg, November 16, 2019, 11:28pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from marinerdazza
Can’t get over how many people are offended by the f word. You’d almost think they’d never heard it in a football context. I think the word is snowflake...


I’m not offended by it at all, but I’m flabbergasted that someone with a degree from Oxford couldn’t string two sentences together without blurting it out over 50 times! It made my own pretty limited vocabulary seem sophisticated.

I’ve lost it before but never resorted to that. I swear all the time, to my detriment, but Jolley has taken it to a whole new level there.

Matt Dean is a gent - if Jolley had spoken to me like that I’d have given him the Sterling treatment around the throat.
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, November 16, 2019, 11:29pm; Reply: 51
Quoted from marinerdazza
Can’t get over how many people are offended by the f word. You’d almost think they’d never heard it in a football context. I think the word is snowflake...


I don't think its as much a matter of the word itself, more about the fact of when he has used it (while representing the club) and the agressive manner of how he used it, we all know the word is widely used in the footballing world its all about context thought isn't it.
Posted by: marinerdazza, November 16, 2019, 11:36pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from Heisenberg


I’m not offended by it at all, but I’m flabbergasted that someone with a degree from Oxford couldn’t string two sentences together without blurting it out over 50 times! It made my own pretty limited vocabulary seem sophisticated.

I’ve lost it before but never resorted to that. I swear all the time, to my detriment, but Jolley has taken it to a whole new level there.

Matt Dean is a gent - if Jolley had spoken to me like that I’d have given him the Sterling treatment around the throat.


Cambridge.

It was off the record.

I suspect this is par for the course.

Whoever recorded and leaked it is a flipping snake.

I’ve heard far worse.
Posted by: marinerdazza, November 16, 2019, 11:40pm; Reply: 53


I don't think its as much a matter of the word itself, more about the fact of when he has used it (while representing the club) and the agressive manner of how he used it, we all know the word is widely used in the footballing world its all about context thought isn't it.


You think there’s ever been a Town (any football) manager in the last 40 years who has never said the f word in public or at a press meeting?

Posted by: MarinerDevil, November 16, 2019, 11:48pm; Reply: 54
The use of swear words isn't the problem and those defending or even applauding the 'passionate' outburst are deliberately missing the point.  This was a targeted attack in an attempt to bully a fellow professional.  That this is apparently commonplace tells you everything you need to know about the culture at GTFC and in football generally.  I've worked in that sort of atmosphere before and it shouldn't be acceptable in an industry with a shred of integrity.
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, November 16, 2019, 11:50pm; Reply: 55
We may well have a dire budget.  However, if so, the manager must use the money even more wisely for new players.  Then the playing resources must be used in their right positions etc to maximise the limited investment.

Buying a player that does not improve the team is more costly when on a small budget.

A settled team should also be the aim, not the exception.

The tactics can also make optimum use of the playing resources and individual abilities.

Barring Exeter away and a few other games this season, Jolley has not made the most of the players at his disposal.  Neither has he developed some players as well he he might have done.
Posted by: RichMariner, November 16, 2019, 11:58pm; Reply: 56
I was an advocate of Jolley and was disappointed to learn that he had gone. I also swear and am not offended by the coarse language you often hear at a football match.

But, as it's already been pointed out, whether that's off the record or not, it's a pretty awful and disrespectful way to talk to another human being. I didn't hear MD or JT swear in response, and whatever the rights and wrongs of it are, they retained their integrity while MJ lost all of his.

I do share his frustrations and I can see why he said what he said, between the swearing. But if anyone thinks this way of talking is in any way acceptable within a place of work - I don't care if it's sport - then they're living in the dark ages.

We're meant to be creating a more tolerant world where it should be safe for people to be who they really are, and all this tirade does is underline the bullying nature that still exists within football.

I accept there's passion, and frustration, and a lot of emotion involved but, come on, MJ is an educated bloke and can speak perfectly eloquently when he needs to. I really don't think MD and JT are the nasty pieces of work he's making them out to be, and they certainly don't deserve to be spoken to like that.
Posted by: GrimRob, November 17, 2019, 12:05am; Reply: 57
Hope nobody puts a transcript on the swear word filter would blow up.
Posted by: Badger57, November 17, 2019, 12:05am; Reply: 58
Can't possibly defend M.J's actions here but if his right royal highness can totally reduce a bright, clever, erudite young manager to a mental, raging, incoherent foul mouthed thug in less than 2 years then what chance do we have of getting anybody turning round this poisoned chalice of a football club? None at all I would surmise. Sad times for GTFC. 😭
Really can't wait until you know who felicitations right off for good!
Posted by: GrimRob, November 17, 2019, 12:09am; Reply: 59
I would rather journalists ask difficult questions than just tow the party line.
Posted by: RichMariner, November 17, 2019, 12:17am; Reply: 60
Quoted from GrimRob
I would rather journalists ask difficult questions than just tow the party line.


Absolutely.

If the manager doesn't like the question then it's his right - and his opportunity - to say so live on air.

If Jolley wanted Matt Dean and John Tondeur to be 'straight up' and 'ask an honest question' on air then he should've been straight up and honest with them, on air, and demand one from them. He can't then wait to be 'off the record' and then have a go at them because that's hypocritical.

If Jolley wasn't happy with the questions on air then he should have said so on air because that would've been straight up and honest.

Posted by: forza ivano, November 17, 2019, 12:46am; Reply: 61
Quoted from GrimRob
I would rather journalists ask difficult questions than just tow the party line.


That's rich, coming from you. Jsf only has to say jump and you ask how high? And I know, from personal experience
Posted by: forza ivano, November 17, 2019, 12:52am; Reply: 62
Quoted from Badger57
Can't possibly defend M.J's actions here but if his right royal highness can totally reduce a bright, clever, erudite young manager to a mental, raging, incoherent foul mouthed thug in less than 2 years then what chance do we have of getting anybody turning round this poisoned chalice of a football club? None at all I would surmise. Sad times for GTFC. 😭
Really can't wait until you know who felicitations right off for good!

I was trying to think of how to phrase my reaction, and you've done it for me badger. I cannot believe that I am falling out of love with the team I've supported for nigh on 50 years.and every problem that you come across, and there are many, always, without fail, comes back to one man
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, November 17, 2019, 1:45am; Reply: 63
Quoted from marinerdazza


You think there’s ever been a Town (any football) manager in the last 40 years who has never said the f word in public or at a press meeting?



No not at all, but they shouldn't be in a professional setting like they are. Theres no doubt at some point they probably have, the point is they shouldn't be doing it and especially not in the manner Jolley is, even if it is out of frustration.
Posted by: Mayaman, November 17, 2019, 3:10am; Reply: 64
Why was this recorded?  Was it a private conversation?  If so, it's out of order that it was recorded.  Surely, people can say things off record.
Posted by: Abdul19, November 17, 2019, 8:13am; Reply: 65
Makes Rob Scott sound like facking Cliff Richard!
Posted by: Northbank Mariner, November 17, 2019, 8:23am; Reply: 66
Quoted from Abdul19
Makes Rob Scott sound like facking Cliff Richard!


Do we have a new "shouty" now??...
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, November 17, 2019, 8:42am; Reply: 67
Quoted from marinerdazza
Can’t get over how many people are offended by the f word. You’d almost think they’d never heard it in a football context. I think the word is snowflake...


Industrial language is everywhere, we know that. Anyone who has worked in construction, fishing, lumping or been in a pro dressing room knows that. Fenty knows that. It was not the words so much as how he was like a machine gun with them, almost spitting them at people who were there just trying to do their jobs. This being the person who remorselessly manipulated and smarmed the media to get himself cosy in the community when he came.  He showed that was a con. He only ever wanted the “How’s Macca’s cold today?” and “Any news on signings?” questions that he could flannel his way out of. Have we seen him explain the change of playing style? Has he offered any reasons why Hanson has suddenly ceased to trouble the scorers?

Once the going got tough, and it was Jolley who made the going tough, he wanted to blame the usual easy target. Nobody reduced him to a gibbering wreck but himself. Fenty has his faults, we could spend all day listing them, but he did not precipitate this outburst. It was all Jolley’s own work.



Posted by: Ipswin, November 17, 2019, 8:46am; Reply: 68
Thank goodness this unhinged bank clerk wasn't given a bigger budget.
Posted by: golfer, November 17, 2019, 8:57am; Reply: 69
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Industrial language is everywhere, we know that. Anyone who has worked in construction, fishing, lumping or been in a pro dressing room knows that. Fenty knows that. It was not the words so much as how he was like a machine gun with them, almost spitting them at people who were there just trying to do their jobs. This being the person who remorselessly manipulated and smarmed the media to get himself cosy in the community when he came.  He showed that was a con. He only ever wanted the “How’s Macca’s cold today?” and “Any news on signings?” questions that he could flannel his way out of. Have we seen him explain the change of playing style? Has he offered any reasons why Hanson has suddenly ceased to trouble the scorers?

Once the going got tough, and it was Jolley who made the going tough, he wanted to blame the usual easy target. Nobody reduced him to a gibbering wreck but himself. Fenty has his faults, we could spend all day listing them, but he did not precipitate this outburst. It was all Jolley’s

J.S.F. haters aren't going to find you amusing Ron.
Posted by: rancido, November 17, 2019, 9:03am; Reply: 70
Quoted from TownSNAFU5
We may well have a dire budget.  However, if so, the manager must use the money even more wisely for new players.  Then the playing resources must be used in their right positions etc to maximise the limited investment.

Buying a player that does not improve the team is more costly when on a small budget.

A settled team should also be the aim, not the exception.

The tactics can also make optimum use of the playing resources and individual abilities.

Barring Exeter away and a few other games this season, Jolley has not made the most of the players at his disposal.  Neither has he developed some players as well he he might have done.



At last, a voice of sanity in a load of hysteria. MJ knew the kind of budget he would get from his initial approach by the club but he still took the job. If the budget is so small ( and nobody has ever produced an accurate figure for this and how it relates to the rest of the league ) then why use it to bring players in and then barely use them? IMHO the whole budget issue from MJ in this tirade is merely a smokescreen to cover his own failings as a manager. I seem to recall he used the budget issue when he left that Swedish club as well.
Posted by: Northbank Mariner, November 17, 2019, 9:06am; Reply: 71
Quoted from Ipswin
Thank goodness this unhinged bank clerk wasn't given a bigger budget.


Bit strong there 'swin....I wouldn't say he's unhinged, he lost the plot in a relatively short outburst which as a manager who's representing the football club is totally unacceptable.
As for giving him a bigger budget, doesn't matter who's in charge, the budget will always be meagre and cause managers to get the most of what he CAN afford...that's where I felt MJ fell at the first hurdle for me...
But I have to say this, for as much as it pains me(jesting there)...you called it when we signed him, he just isn't cut out for first team management imho....this has shown he cannot stand the heat in the trenches...which comes with any managerial position, not just in football might I add..
Posted by: GollyGTFC, November 17, 2019, 9:23am; Reply: 72
Who would have thought it? Mr "talks a good game" is actually extremely thin skinned and blames everybody but himself for the terrible results he has provided. Then again we're talking about a guy who spends his evenings after the latest dreadful performance and defeat searching through twitter and blocking any GTFC fan who voices an opinion that he was even partly to blame for the humiliation.

Good riddance.

For the record I never like him from day one, I never understood why large swathes of fans worshipped the ground he walked on and I thought he was the ultimate bullsh1tter (anybody on here who's ever been in management meetings will have met his type- good talker, uses BS jargon and delivers next to nothing for which he takes 100% personal credit for).

I'm sure he'll make a good living as an estate agent or used car salesman. But I think his football management career is over.
Posted by: The Old Codger, November 17, 2019, 9:34am; Reply: 73
Let’s just say that the only positive thing this tawdry episode shows is the need for the club to change from the top down. What Jolley said about negativity goes back to a rant by Newell not long before he left. Other than a decade elapsing, nothing much has changed. Even us, still putting up with a regime that has generated nothing but failure and is now desperately trying to claw back some of its’ loans.
For all those that are bemoaning Jolley, please remember who appointed him and Slade, and Rodger, and Woods, Groves, Newell and anyone else who has had to scramble round with a budget out of sync with the level of support that the club has.
Posted by: OllieGTFC, November 17, 2019, 9:59am; Reply: 74
I think we can see why he has gone now tbh, you can probably believe the busy up with him and Wes Thomas aswell
Posted by: sam gy, November 17, 2019, 10:00am; Reply: 75
Who is the other journo that Jolley is hating on? I can’t make the name out, Dean, Burns and he mentions someone else (not Tondeur).
Posted by: GollyGTFC, November 17, 2019, 10:02am; Reply: 76
Quoted from sam gy
Who is the other journo that Jolley is hating on? I can’t make the name out, Dean, Burns and he mentions someone else (not Tondeur).


Gwillem Lloyd.

He seems to like, Sheffield-born, Ron Staton though.
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, November 17, 2019, 10:02am; Reply: 77
Yeah why can't Radio Humberside be more positive about the way the club is drifting along in abject mediocrity forever blaming them and their journalists for pointing out their failings. I'd like to see Matt Dean back the club who seem to try to humiliate him at every given opportunity and fail to understand why he won't do this......
Posted by: GollyGTFC, November 17, 2019, 10:05am; Reply: 78
Quoted from Rodley Mariner
Yeah why can't Radio Humberside be more positive about the way the club is drifting along in abject mediocrity forever blaming them and their journalists for pointing out their failings. I'd like to see Matt Dean back the club who seem to try to humiliate him at every given opportunity and fail to understand why he won't do this......


I totally agree. I listened to the whole show after the Leyton Orient game and it was all negative about Grimsby Town for the whole hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Stadium, November 17, 2019, 10:07am; Reply: 79
Quoted from Rodley Mariner
Yeah why can't Radio Humberside be more positive about the way the club is drifting along in abject mediocrity forever blaming them and their journalists for pointing out their failings. I'd like to see Matt Dean back the club who seem to try to humiliate him at every given opportunity and fail to understand why he won't do this......


Nail on the head.
As for JT he's past his sell by date.
It's depressing listening to him in commentary & his interview technique is beyond a joke.
Posted by: Henryscat, November 17, 2019, 10:07am; Reply: 80
MJ has got one thing right though. Burns is a see you next Tuesday
Posted by: smokey111, November 17, 2019, 10:15am; Reply: 81
Not sure the sarcasm has been picked up Rodley!!!!
Posted by: Gaffer58, November 17, 2019, 10:19am; Reply: 82
Re the budget, as mentioned in an earlier thread as we are a limited company our wages (budget) are published but it shows all wages, both playing and non playing. Well I'm sure a Fishy detective could investigate our rival clubs, obviously limited company ones, and publish their wages total, at least that way we could have a basic idea of how our budget compares. Also, is Mr Fenty's yearly pay back budgeted at the start of the financial year or does it come out f the working surplus ( profit) at the year end?
Posted by: dapperz fun pub, November 17, 2019, 10:19am; Reply: 83
Only at gtfc eh .... proper snidey who released that audio
Posted by: The Old Codger, November 17, 2019, 10:20am; Reply: 84
Quoted from Stadium


Nail on the head.
As for JT he's past his sell by date.
It's depressing listening to him in commentary & his interview technique is beyond a joke.


Oh dear! Seems that Rodley & yourself are not on the same page when it comes to irony!
Posted by: ginnywings, November 17, 2019, 10:21am; Reply: 85
I'm sure JT and MD would love to be asking questions like "can you make it 10 wins on the trot next week Michael" ?

Everything about the club is dull and negative. I suspect they are as disillusioned as all fans are at having to report on the latest defeat to some club who were struggling to string a pass together until they faced us. Blaming the press is just deflecting from the real issues, and it's not the first time is it?
Posted by: Stadium, November 17, 2019, 10:24am; Reply: 86
Quoted from The Old Codger


Oh dear! Seems that Rodley & yourself are not on the same page when it comes to irony!


We certainly are,maybe your not?
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, November 17, 2019, 10:30am; Reply: 87
Quoted from smokey111
Not sure the sarcasm has been picked up Rodley!!!!


You think it needed a winky emoji or something?
Posted by: Cod Cheeks, November 17, 2019, 10:34am; Reply: 88
He's right about Burnsy though  :)
Posted by: smokey111, November 17, 2019, 10:44am; Reply: 89
Sometimes you have to hit them between the eyes!!!!
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, November 17, 2019, 10:47am; Reply: 90
Quoted from smokey111
Sometimes you have to hit them between the eyes!!!!


Haha - appears so! Who you fancying for new manager?
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, November 17, 2019, 10:53am; Reply: 91
Quoted from dapperz fun pub
Only at gtfc eh .... proper snidey who released that audio


Out of interest. who do you think did? I was always under the impression from my dealings with the press, admittedly from days before Grimsby Lifeless, that reporters quite often made recordings to edit later. Is this what happened here but unofficially? When he kicked off did someone just press the record button to make sure they had evidence for the future? Who had most to gain, who was on the receiving end that day or had been in the past and maybe wanted the public to know what sort of person MJ was without losing their job or burning their boats with the club? My money would be on someone outside the club management structure rather than in it.

Posted by: denni266, November 17, 2019, 10:56am; Reply: 92
I like Burnsy. He asks the questions that need answers like it or not. I bet jolley would not have called him to his face  as Burnsy would have made sunday dinner of him. Its all Jolleys fault  for effing about with the team and not knowing who should play where.. You know what. its the players i feel sorry for ..it takes a lot for a player to say i dont / cant play in that possition boss but i will give it a go for the team, knowing full well if it does not work out its him that will get the first line of stick and all he is trying to do is help and play football
Posted by: golfer, November 17, 2019, 10:56am; Reply: 93
Quoted from Rodley Mariner
Yeah why can't Radio Humberside be more positive about the way the club is drifting along in abject mediocrity forever blaming them and their journalists for pointing out their failings. I'd like to see Matt Dean back the club who seem to try to humiliate him at every given opportunity and fail to understand why he won't do this......


Hello folks,I'm here at Blundell Park in the heart of this welcoming town of Great Grimsby. I have had to take a few minutes to get my breath back after having had the pleasure of being part of this great occasion when Leyton Orient just managed to outpoint the gallant Grimsby town in a 4 goal thriller which could have gone either way. The tactically astute Grimsby could feel pleased with this undeserved defeat and it clearly showed why Town released the ex players in the Orient side.The roof was raised every time the ball was aimed at Hansons head-Town will have to slightly alter this tactic in the next few seasons if the opposition becomes aware, but excitement I feel will continue as Jolly has many alternatives in his notebook . Good luck to all you Mariners supporters as you thread your way home singing " We are the Champions"     Just one more slight detail-I have heard the Cup game against the Welsh champions Newport could possibly produce a ground record so take your seats early and sit back in the warmth of the pre- game entertainment.   Bless you all on the South Bank from all at Radio Hullberside.
Posted by: smokey111, November 17, 2019, 11:01am; Reply: 94
Genuinely don't know. A cliche I know, but a young hungry National League or National Souuth/North with contacts. Attacking football is a prerequisite. Got to get the gates up towards 5,000 so we can have a 'competitive budget ' next year.

Would be nice to hear JF acknowledge that the more we get through the gate this year would have an impact on budget......then over to the new manager!!!!
Posted by: sam gy, November 17, 2019, 11:13am; Reply: 95
Funny how there never seemed to be any huge failings out when Hurst was manager and we were winning most weeks, isn’t it?

Winning team = positive coverage.
Losing team = negative coverage.

To be perfectly honest I don’t see RH as being overly negative...admittedly Burns was antagonistic and probing during his first interview with Jolley after a hard fought game, at a time when we really needed some positivity. But Jolley rightly put him in his place and that’s a long time to bear a grudge.

As for Matt Dean, I think he’s a good broadcast journalist to be honest.
Posted by: golfer, November 17, 2019, 11:20am; Reply: 96
Quoted from The Old Codger


I suppose you also think it might be unfair to question how a massively underperforming club is still managing to pay back loans to its' benefactor that were generated by a decade of underperforming.


Here we go-Here we go-Here we go ---let's just call fk out of one person at a time please-this thread is supposed to be calling fk out of Jolley and R.H.
Posted by: rancido, November 17, 2019, 11:24am; Reply: 97
Quoted from ginnywings
I'm sure JT and MD would love to be asking questions like "can you make it 10 wins on the trot next week Michael" ?

Everything about the club is dull and negative. I suspect they are as disillusioned as all fans are at having to report on the latest defeat to some club who were struggling to string a pass together until they faced us. Blaming the press is just deflecting from the real issues, and it's not the first time is it?



A bit like Jolley blaming the budget when it is more about his failings to get a fairly decent squad to play consistent football. I've yet to hear a football manager who got the sack/left and admit he got it wrong. It's always somebody/something else - the budget, the facilities, the Board, the Chairman.
Posted by: forza ivano, November 17, 2019, 11:25am; Reply: 98
Just for the sake of balance. 226 people tweeted their thanks to m.j. He has replied individually to every single one of them. Not condoning his outburst just saying that I think there's a decent man who's just lost it. He may even look back in a year and thank his lucky stars he got out when he did
Posted by: The Old Codger, November 17, 2019, 11:31am; Reply: 99
Quoted from golfer


Here we go-Here we go-Here we go ---let's just call fk out of one person at a time please-this thread is supposed to be calling fk out of Jolley and R.H.


I’m merely pointing out that there’s plenty of opportunities for Matt Dean, Dave Burns and whoever else to pull apart everything GTFC from the top down. Michael Jolley is just the next cab off the rank. Another manager who has found out that he can’t get where he wants because of financial constraints and historic negativity.
You’re quite happy to pull apart what happens on the pitch but seem oblivious to the root cause of the clubs failings.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, November 17, 2019, 11:34am; Reply: 100
On reflection he's just defaulted to typical failing Manager mode.... It's not my fault its the budget, the ref, the pitch, VAR (not at our level of course), injuries, global warming, the economy etc.. etc.. etc..

Why should he expect the press to be on his side? Why should he expect positivity when if this was after the Orient game you've just been beaten 4 - 0 at home by a pretty average opponent? There is absolutely nothing we haven't seen before from other Managers it's just that Jolley thought he'd try and out "F" Peter Reid in the classless stakes.

I kind of get the references to the National League but he always told us that any "success" was from the collective group rather than an individual.In the past he also spoke about player behavior standards.........hypocrisy?  

He talks about the poor budget and the negativity well that has been at the club well before him and will be as long as JF and the boys are involved, clearly some research needed doing there.

He started well but couldn't keep it up both in terms of moving the side forward and keeping up the Mr nice guys image, I'm glad he's gone.

The thing that is a bigger concern is that this will just keep happening in some way shape or form whilst the current exec are in place until the inevitable happens and and where back in Tin Pot,  

          
Posted by: Poojah, November 17, 2019, 11:38am; Reply: 101
It’s worth keeping in mind that this clip is incomplete; we do not necessarily know how this tirade ended. Is the outburst alone sufficient to be a sacakable offence? Possibly, but only if you were looking for an excuse to get someone out of your business already.

I find the timing of Jolley’s sacking both bizarre and unexpected. Of all the theories being bandied around, the possibility that Jolley’s properly overstepped the mark somewhere in the last week feels the most likely to me. To blame results when we haven’t played a league game in a month simply doesn’t compute.


Posted by: HertsGTFC, November 17, 2019, 11:45am; Reply: 102
Quoted from forza ivano
Just for the sake of balance. 226 people tweeted their thanks to m.j. He has replied individually to every single one of them. Not condoning his outburst just saying that I think there's a decent man who's just lost it. He may even look back in a year and thank his lucky stars he got out when he did


He and his Mrs also had a long record of blocking anyone who expressed any form of negativity about MJ's ability as a Football Manager or the performance of the side.

Away from the bubble and emotion involved in football I would imagine most managers are decent people I think he's not done himself any flavors but I'm sure he'll come back somewhere.

Under the current exec GTFC is a toxic job one that may for many reasons appears an impossible one, like I say MJ hasn't done himself any favors not just with the recording thing but arguably taking the bloody job in the first place.

Apart from what looks like a decent Youth and Kids set up currently the club is an embarrassment from top to bottom.            
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, November 17, 2019, 11:56am; Reply: 103
I think that's a fair point Herts. The other thing is that it's hard to imagine the pressure that they must come under. We all have tough times at work when we feel pressure. Going through that with a few thousand people watching and then having to discuss with the media must be awful. Especially for someone like Jolley who must have known this was realistically his chance of making it. He can be a decent guy who acted really badly rather than this somehow meaning he is a bad person.
Posted by: rancido, November 17, 2019, 12:02pm; Reply: 104
The whole timing thing is  bit bizarre. I don't go in for " conspiracy theories " but I wonder if the replay at Newport has anything to do with this ? There is , potentially , a lot of money at stake if we succeed at Newport and get a result at Maldon.It's possible the Board /JF thought that the negative/defensive approach by Jolley was just too much to get a result and this brought forward a decision that has been simmering for a few games. Certainly the defeat to Orient ( that included two players who had previously been deemed not good enough for us ) won't have gone unnoticed by JF and the Board. It could be that Limbrick has more tactical nous and influence with the players than we thought? Who knows but at least Limbrick has the opportunity to make a mark , starting Wednesday, and prove he wasn't influential in
why our results had gone downhill under MJ.
Posted by: chaos33, November 17, 2019, 12:29pm; Reply: 105
Quoted from Rodley Mariner
I think that's a fair point Herts. The other thing is that it's hard to imagine the pressure that they must come under. We all have tough times at work when we feel pressure. Going through that with a few thousand people watching and then having to discuss with the media must be awful. Especially for someone like Jolley who must have known this was realistically his chance of making it. He can be a decent guy who acted really badly rather than this somehow meaning he is a bad person.


I agree. A rare, balanced view.
Posted by: Ipswin, November 17, 2019, 12:53pm; Reply: 106
Quoted from rancido



A bit like Jolley blaming the budget when it is more about his failings to get a fairly decent squad to play consistent football. I've yet to hear a football manager who got the sack/left and admit he got it wrong. It's always somebody/something else - the budget, the facilities, the Board, the Chairman.


I am also sick and tired of failed managers blaming everyone else for their shortcomings. In Particular the budget in this case.

Did Jolley really expect the Board of a relegation threatened Div 4 club, which we were when he arrived (and could well be again quite soon) to give him as a totally unproven manager whose previous experience was managing a subbuteo team a huge amount of money to spend?

He knew when he took the job, from the probably meagre salary he was happy to accept, he must surely have realised that he would have to prove himself on a shoestring cash-wise. Truth is good teams have been formed on far smaller budgets and the team he has put together is failing.

Outbursts because he didn't like the press? Part of the job.

Posted by: Bigdog, November 17, 2019, 1:02pm; Reply: 107
Jolley's not our manager anymore, so procrastinating on his outburst is pretty pointless looking forward from today. The only thing that remains pertinent from the inappropriate recording of an off the record rant is the fact that another manager has left us bemoaning shortcomings in funding at our club. This time it wasn't a bitter parting shot of a sacked manager, it was a highly frustrated manager while in the job.

Something's got to change. We all talk of players and whether they CDAJATL or not. The same analysis could be levelled at our football club under its present regime. When and what division could we say CDAJATL about GTFC over the past twenty years? Apparently they can muster up the seventh best budget in the Conference while having the best home average attendance. That's where our board CDAJATL. Says it all really. The club as it is run now is out of its depth being a upward looking competitive League Two EFL club. Along with the incompetence, we are also quite a divisive, poisonous, narrow minded, unambitious club at the same time.

It's just a never ending rinse and repeat. It's always everyone else's fault rather than the people who are most accountable at the top. The fallout over the past few years has been worrying as a loyal Town fan, embarrassing and deplorable at times and yet we faithfully cling onto one or two decent performances a season or revel in the relief of leaving the stresses of BP behind on far flung awaydays in decent numbers.

But the worrying trend of recent low home gates is underlined by quoting a fellow Town fan on Twitter..

The thing is, fans drift away from football clubs slowly. Bit by bit, the ties that bind become looser until eventually they slip away entirely. That seems to be the journey many #GTFC fans are on right now. There’s a lot needs fixing, and not just the manager’s job.

This cycle of failure and poison has got to change, the charge sheet is unbelievably long for just one club.. and a takeover with a big broom and fresh ideas to galvanise our fanbase can't come soon enough..
Posted by: grimsby pete, November 17, 2019, 1:18pm; Reply: 108
Having listened to it again am I shocked  -   No

I am surprised hearing it from Jolley who I thought was an intelligent well versed  educated young man.

Did he deserve losing his job over it -  Maybe

More than likely it was due to the uninspiring displays we have had the misfortune to watch this season.

He confused me in what he was trying to achieve this season as he got a better team together than the previous season but then made them worse by playing far too negatively and playing players out of position.

We have not seem the best of most of the players he has brought in by his tactics just look at Moses Ogbu apart from one game he has played him as a winger - he is not a winger.

I could go on and on about certain players I just hope the new man starting with Limbrick play a more attacking formation with players in their best positions.
Posted by: moosey_club, November 17, 2019, 1:24pm; Reply: 109
Quoted from Ipswin


I am also sick and tired of failed managers blaming everyone else for their shortcomings. In Particular the budget in this case.

Did Jolley really expect the Board of a relegation threatened Div 4 club, which we were when he arrived (and could well be again quite soon) to give him as a totally unproven manager whose previous experience was managing a subbuteo team a huge amount of money to spend?

He knew when he took the job, from the probably meagre salary he was happy to accept, he must surely have realised that he would have to prove himself on a shoestring cash-wise. Truth is good teams have been formed on far smaller budgets and the team he has put together is failing.

Outbursts because he didn't like the press? Part of the job.



JF intimated/ admitted that the budget last season was below par and therefore would be looked at, looking at the squad this year i see some probably higher paid players, but i dont see in depth numbers. Was the budget increased really ? Or was the wage cap broken allowing better paid players to be signed but creating a balancing out further down the squad, ie the youth make up of the squad.
Jolley obviously felt strongly about it enough to rant about it,  so while it may be a weak excuse on one hand, it may also be a very valid point on the other.  
We simply wont know because only a couple of people do.  I am certain though that the major shareholder will include the words "competetive" and "always listened to requests for signing players" when it comes to budget/squad/transfer signings etc.....just as he has with every other manager appointed under his reign.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, November 17, 2019, 1:35pm; Reply: 110
Quoted from grimsby pete
Having listened to it again am I shocked  -   No

I am surprised hearing it from Jolley who I thought was an intelligent well versed  educated young man.

Did he deserve losing his job over it -  Maybe

More than likely it was due to the uninspiring displays we have had the misfortune to watch this season.

He confused me in what he was trying to achieve this season as he got a better team together than the previous season but then made them worse by playing far too negatively and playing players out of position.

We have not seem the best of most of the players he has brought in by his tactics just look at Moses Ogbu apart from one game he has played him as a winger - he is not a winger.

I could go on and on about certain players I just hope the new man starting with Limbrick play a more attacking formation with players in their best positions.


I just looked up his CV on Wiki Pete.

"In 2015, Jolley gained the League Managers Association Diploma in Football Management, which covered influencing and negotiation, mental toughness and resilience, football finance, diversity, equality and inclusion, sport science and performance analytics and focused on leadership, personal development and wellbeing."

Either they must hand these things out like confetti or not much of the course went in between his ears. He's not that young either at 42, Paul Hurst is 45. He's only young in managing experience, as a person I'd expect more maturity at that age.

What he has done well is clear out some dross and sign some useful players. This squad has potential with a couple of additions, much more potential than the squad he inherited. Like you say, get them playing the right way.

Posted by: Ipswin, November 17, 2019, 1:59pm; Reply: 111
Quoted from RichMariner
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We've somehow managed to make one of the most intelligent, articulate and educated managers we've ever had sound like absolute gutter trash.



Which he has proved to be, highly articulate - NOT

Posted by: Ipswin, November 17, 2019, 2:02pm; Reply: 112
Quoted from denni266
Well well well. not so jolly Jolley. Seems his fine well spoken words where just like i said 2 tears ago, just that. And i for one was not conned by them, He needs to go back counting kids pocket money as he is no manager.. reasons are ... cannot tell left from right.. does not know a defender from a midfielder  or a striker from a winger. I am suprised that Macca did not get a go at right winger . I was right at the beginning , right in the middle and right at the end and rode the stick i got for it.. Imo he  fluffed his way into a job he could not do , And when things started to show he lost it , Glad he has gone



This, flipping spot flipping on

Posted by: Ipswin, November 17, 2019, 2:04pm; Reply: 113
Quoted from marinerdazza


Whoever recorded and leaked it is a flipping snake.




Why?

Posted by: Tommy, November 17, 2019, 2:17pm; Reply: 114
To be honest I'm a bit surprised that as an intelligent individual, Jolley didn't think that with all the modern technology in 2019, there might be someone in a room full of media people, who would be recording on some form of device.


Also......re:the budget. It will be small no doubt and maybe a bottom half budget, but some of it's still been wasted. Mattie Pollock has been ready for first team football since last season, and while Waterfall is OK, I don't think he was needed. Did Cardwell merit an extension when we had Vernam of similar age already in the squad. Could the wages of those 2 gone on a creative midfield player or a left-sided winger.

League tables dont always finish in the order of the biggest budgets. Good managers are able to use a budget well and then over perform through good management, others don't manage a higher budget very well.
Posted by: grimsby pete, November 17, 2019, 2:38pm; Reply: 115
I have just informed my wife of the leaked tape her reply was,

Whats wrong with that I speak to you every day worse than that.  ;) ;D
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, November 17, 2019, 2:50pm; Reply: 116
The GT has decided to run the story now.

"A recording featuring former Grimsby Town manager Michael Jolley angrily blasting Radio Humberside in an expletive-laden rant has emerged on social media – and it may have even played some role in his exit.

Jolley was raging after the 4-0 home defeat against Leyton Orient last month – which turned out to be his penultimate league game in charge.

In the audio recording of the conversation following the game, Jolley can be heard confronting presenter Matt Dean.

As well as hitting out at perceived negativity, Jolley also says ‘Have you seen our fxxxing budget? Have you seen our budget? Do you know where we fxxxing should be?’

BBC Radio Humberside broadcaster David Burns said on Twitter yesterday: ‘Aah, now the secret recording at GTFC seems to have emerged’.  And added  ‘I'm sure there are bigger issues, however I hear it was a big factor in his downfall.’

Jolley and Grimsby Town parted company by mutual agreement on Friday."
Posted by: Vance Warner, November 17, 2019, 3:01pm; Reply: 117
Quoted from Bigdog
Jolley's not our manager anymore, so prevaricating on his outburst is pretty pointless looking forward from today. The only thing that remains pertinent from the inappropriate recording of an off the record rant is the fact that another manager has left us bemoaning shortcomings in funding at our club. This time it wasn't a bitter parting shot of a sacked manager, it was a highly frustrated manager while in the job.

Something's got to change. We all talk of players and whether they CDAJATL or not. The same analysis could be levelled at our football club under its present regime. When and what division could we say CDAJATL about GTFC over the past twenty years? Apparently they can muster up the seventh best budget in the Conference while having the best home average attendance. That's where our board CDAJATL. Says it all really. The club as it is run now is out of its depth being a upward looking competitive League Two EFL club. Along with the incompetence, we are also quite a divisive, poisonous, narrow minded, unambitious club at the same time.

It's just a never ending rinse and repeat. It's always everyone else's fault rather than the people who are most accountable at the top. The fallout over the past few years has been worrying as a loyal Town fan, embarrassing and deplorable at times and yet we faithfully cling onto one or two decent performances a season or revel in the relief of leaving the stresses of BP behind on far flung awaydays in decent numbers.

But the worrying trend of recent low home gates is underlined by quoting a fellow Town fan on Twitter..

The thing is, fans drift away from football clubs slowly. Bit by bit, the ties that bind become looser until eventually they slip away entirely. That seems to be the journey many #GTFC fans are on right now. There’s a lot needs fixing, and not just the manager’s job.

This cycle of failure and poison has got to change, the charge sheet is unbelievably long for just one club.. and a takeover with a big broom and fresh ideas to galvanise our fanbase can't come soon enough..


Superb post.
Posted by: Stew0_0, November 17, 2019, 3:20pm; Reply: 118
I have a very balanced view on all this......

Seems Jolley finally lost all the patience he's had with Humberside now that he doesn't have to restrain himself anymore with expressing his thoughts.

Although I dont agree with how he's dealt with it in this case, I do agree that Humberside Sport have never had a positive thing to say about Town, in fact I would go as far as saying that David Burns and Gwillum Lloyd are so pro-Hull in football and rugby respectively that they enjoy ridiculing Town. Matt Dean is so bothered about asking the 'pressing' questions and drawing out the negative that he has to ask the question in about 3 different ways if he doesn't get the response he wants, he's an embarassment too.  As much as I like him and with him being a genuine town fan also, I do also believe John Tondeur is at the retirement stage of his career and in his interviews must have a framework of 6/7 questions that he repeats each week and isn't strong enough to ask the questions that town fans need to hear.

Despite embarrassing himself in this case I do feel for Jolley somewhat as, as he points out he didn't get the praise he deserved (from Humberside) for keeping town up when it looked like an impossible task when he took over with a closed transfer window and Slades players apart from Andrew Fox. I myself thought it was miraculous what he did with essentially a dreadful squad.

We are a club in a very difficult geographical position which in itself makes it difficult to attract players here and yet we have, on paper, a reasonable squad of players, that given the correct management, could see us fighting towards the top of the league. This does however need to be settled and played with our best players as often as we can.

I always liked Jolley and am sorry to see him go as thought he was an intelligent guy who had brought us stability, was brave enough to blood our youth players and seemed to have a long term plan to progress the club gradually and try to bring the fans onside with the club.

On the flip side, cracks had started to appear in recent weeks. Signs that tactically we were naive, lacking a plan B from just throwing it forward to Hanson, a lack of leadership in the team, a lack of goals and attacking intent from the midfield, rumours of players wishing to leave as not settled in the area (Davis and Ring) and of course altercations with supporters in the main stand and a constant Jekyll and Hyde form of results, we can see some of the reasons why the club decided to part ways with Jolley.

In conclusion I think the problem here is that the club and Jolley had differing ambitions of where the future was taking us as a club. I remember Jolley's Introduction to the fans when quite surprisingly Marley (I think it was) quoted us as being back in the Championship within 5 years (bonkers) and yet Jolleys plans from each season have been to improve solely on the league position of last season, in fact he has quoted as saying he would like to see us get to 14th this year.  I believe the board have allowed a larger budget this season and I know that town fans certainly expect higher than that league position this season.

I think managing the Mariners is an extremely difficult task for any prospective manager and I hope we can get the next appointment right and try to restore some pride and atmosphere back to the club as certainly the home crowds of late have had little entertainment to shout about in recent weeks.

I would however thanks Michael Jolley for keeping us up and for his hard work from the last 18 months. I trust you will be back in work very soon.

utm
Posted by: toontown, November 17, 2019, 3:53pm; Reply: 119
I think he said one of his targets was to improve on 14th which is the highest we've been since 2006. Might be wrong
Posted by: Ipswin, November 17, 2019, 4:12pm; Reply: 120
Having heard the recording it is clear Jolley totally lost it whether through a build up of frustration or some other reason he has certainly not done himself any favours with potential new employers if they were to hear this, the mild mannered collar and tie smart young ex banker appearance is somewhat shattered.

After this I am now even more firmly convinced that he walked voluntarily rather than being sacked and the club was not sorry to agree to his departure
Posted by: golfer, November 17, 2019, 4:31pm; Reply: 121
I don't like seeing anybody sacked especially just before xmas but let's be honest "he was shite"and just about everybody has said so at some stage. He's gone.
Posted by: promotion plaice, November 17, 2019, 4:33pm; Reply: 122

MJ doesn't come out of this very well but It doesn't look good for RH either, I would imagine trust is a big thing in the media industry and I think RH have shot themselves in the foot for secretly recording this and therefore allowing someone the opportunity to release it.
Just my opinion.

Posted by: Black_and_White_Bear, November 17, 2019, 4:34pm; Reply: 123
Those of us who have been in the Army are laughing at some peoples remarks about MJ's language.  That was just kiddy stuff.
Posted by: The Old Codger, November 17, 2019, 4:35pm; Reply: 124
Quoted from golfer
I don't like seeing anybody sacked especially just before xmas but let's be honest "he was shite"and just about everybody has said so at some stage. He's gone.


You seem prepared to accept shite from certain quarters but not others.
Posted by: arryarryarry, November 17, 2019, 4:37pm; Reply: 125
Quoted from Stew0_0


I do agree that Humberside Sport have never had a positive thing to say about Town, in fact I would go as far as saying that David Burns and Gwillum Lloyd are so pro-Hull in football and rugby respectively that they enjoy ridiculing Town. Matt Dean is so bothered about asking the 'pressing' questions and drawing out the negative that he has to ask the question in about 3 different ways if he doesn't get the response he wants, he's an embarassment too.  



Go on then, let us know what has been positive for RH to have a say on, 15 years basically of excrement.

I don't like Matt Dean's style of asking questions but as a journalist he has the right to ask negative questions after we have been excrement and thumped at home by Leyton Orient.
Posted by: golfer, November 17, 2019, 4:42pm; Reply: 126
Quoted from The Old Codger


You seem prepared to accept shite from certain quarters but not others.


I read your stuff because it's on here  :)
Posted by: arryarryarry, November 17, 2019, 4:42pm; Reply: 127
Quoted from RichMariner


When was this recorded (pre- or post-sacking), and who recorded it?



Recorded in the press cabin at BP after the Leyton Orient game and after the usual broadcast interview was finished.

He comes over as a bit of a tool to me and pretty naive to do it in a room full of recording equipment.
Posted by: promotion plaice, November 17, 2019, 4:45pm; Reply: 128
Those of us who have been in the Army are laughing at some peoples remarks about MJ's language.  That was just kiddy stuff.

Yeah, I worked as a "fish lumper" for a few years, some on here need to get out more.

Posted by: The Old Codger, November 17, 2019, 4:46pm; Reply: 129
Quoted from promotion plaice

MJ doesn't come out of this very well but It doesn't look good for RH either, I would imagine trust is a big thing in the media industry and I think RH have shot themselves in the foot for secretly recording this and therefore allowing someone the opportunity to release it.
Just my opinion.



Journalists doing their job? Shocking! We’d just been thumped 4-0 by a team that had four players who’d played for us in non league. They had every right to ask the questions they asked. On top of that, after being thrown under the bus at the Fans Forum, I guess Matt Dean quite enjoyed it! 🤪🤪🤪
Posted by: Cambs Mariner, November 17, 2019, 4:52pm; Reply: 130
Quoted from promotion plaice

Yeah, I worked as a "fish lumper" for a few years, some on here need to get out more.



I did some electrical work on the fish docks when I was an apprentice electrician. The language and sexual innuendo was eye opening as a 16 year old and most of that was from the women working there.
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, November 17, 2019, 4:57pm; Reply: 131
Big dog, I have had to miss a couple of games before the postponements. I was surprised that I did not miss travelling a long way, in poor weather, to see dire football.

I have been going since the mid-1960s, my dad went from the early 1930s until recently.

I agree than fans loyalty is being gradually eroded over a long time.  A fish rots from the head first.  Say no more. We operate as amateurs in a professional game and do not progress.

Only seismic change will save the club, in my opinion.
Posted by: Swansea_Mariner, November 17, 2019, 5:02pm; Reply: 132
Tabloids  are covering this now:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/grimsby-sacked-boss-michael-jolley-20900760?utm_source=whatsapp&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar
Posted by: Ipswin, November 17, 2019, 5:08pm; Reply: 133
Surely its the job of any journalist worth his salt to ask a question in three different ways if the interviewee flatly refuses to give a straight answer, some of those interviewing politicians in the lead up to the election would do well to follow Matt Dean's approach
Posted by: Ipswin, November 17, 2019, 5:23pm; Reply: 134
Quoted from Cambs Mariner


I did some electrical work on the fish docks when I was an apprentice electrician. The language and sexual innuendo was eye opening as a 16 year old and most of that was from the women working there.



I recall a moment on Hull docks when a pallet slipped from a forklift and crashed to the ground A hull docker used the F word in all its possible ways 'The flipping fornicator's flipping copulated' Magic!
Posted by: louth_in_the_south, November 17, 2019, 8:34pm; Reply: 135
RH need commending on keeping this out the public domain until now tbf to them . There’s no doubt they’ve had a massive issue with one of their employees doing his job and having to take this diatribe from someone who’s paid to do a senior managerial position who , regardless of what some people consider to be industrial language in football, should have the professionalism in his position to give a straightforward answer without resorting to a pathetic rant .
I’m not surprised JF has had to make this decision, and fair play to him .
RH are the only mainstream broadcasters of GTFC and should be treated with far more respect than had been given over the last few years. The fans forum debacle and now this is a sorry reflection on the club which needs fixing .
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