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Quoted from Yoda

A mate of mine has told me Town are the bookies favourites for relegation is that right.

probably one of the joint favourites i would think....least i will get a good price for an automatic promotion spot...those foolish bookies obviously missed JF's pledge to review our playing budget for this season which will clearly escalate the budget from "competetive" to champions !!!

oh hello nurse...is it meds time already ? (nurse)

Quoted from Yoda

A mate of mine has told me Town are the bookies favourites for relegation is that right.

Well lets put it this way. After finishing 17th and 18th the last two seasons,with no sign of any inward investment, and an appalling 20 years of decline and already having fallen through the trapdoor once, it would be ludicrous if we were NOT the favourites to go down.

Not seen any odds released for next season yet.

5/2 favourites to go down by one bookie. Shorter odds than Morecambe and Crawley who from memory were 9/2 and 5/1..

Shorter odds for relegation than Morecambe. flipping hell.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Shorter odds for relegation than Morecambe. flipping hell.

Says it all about the current state our shambles of a club is in...big thank you to all that sit in their ivory tower for making a complete balls up of it over the last 20 years!!

Sky Bet League Two Promotion 19/20.......

Plymouth
2/1
Bradford
5/2
Mansfield
5/2
Scunthorpe
5/2
Salford City
3/1
Walsall
10/3
Carlisle
7/2
Colchester
7/2
Leyton Orient
4/1
Swindon
4/1
Exeter
5/1
Northampton
5/1
Crewe
6/1
Oldham
6/1
Port Vale
6/1
Cambridge
13/2
Stevenage
7/1
Cheltenham
8/1
Crawley
8/1
Grimsby
9/1
Macclesfield
9/1
Morecambe
12/1

https://m.skybet.com/football/sky-bet-league-two/event/23829111

Quoted from Les Brechin

Not seen any odds released for next season yet.

Just seen it now!!

Quoted Text

Relegation

Grimsby 5/2
Morecambe 3/1
Crawley 7/2
Macclesfield 4/1
Cheltenham 5/1
Port Vale 13/2
Stevenage 13/2
Leyton Orient 11/1
Crewe 12/1
Northampton 12/1
Oldham 12/1
Cambridge 14/1
Carlisle 20/1
Exeter 20/1
Colchester 25/1
Swindon 25/1
Salford City 33/1
Scunthorpe 40/1
Walsall 40/1
Bradford 50/1
Mansfield 50/1
Plymouth 66/1

The range of odds from 2-1 to 12-1 suggests that there is no real market at present.
Loser of Tranmere v Newport final playoff could also do well.

Too early to form any conclusion as lots of signings still to come for most teams.

And this in a nutshell is exactly how the wider football world view our club..

Propping up the whole Football League. Quite frankly, it's an embarrassment..

Relegation

Grimsby 5/2
Morecambe 3/1
Crawley 7/2
Macclesfield 4/1
Cheltenham 5/1
Port Vale 13/2
Stevenage 13/2
Leyton Orient 11/1
Crewe 12/1
Northampton 12/1
Oldham 12/1
Cambridge 14/1
Carlisle 20/1
Exeter 20/1
Colchester 25/1
Swindon 25/1
Salford City 33/1
Scunthorpe 40/1
Walsall 40/1
Bradford 50/1
Mansfield 50/1
Plymouth 66/1

The bookies must read the fishy. ;D

It means absolutely nowt. What were the odds this time last year on County going down? Save your collective breaths for something meaningful, please....

Quoted from jock dock tower

It means absolutely nowt. What were the odds this time last year on County going down? Save your collective breaths for something meaningful, please....

I’ve been saving my collective breath for far too long already. It seems we can’t persuade bang average players to stay with us so I’m not over hopeful of us attracting good ones.

Just for context, Notts County were the bookies favourites to win League 2 last season.

The point I was obviously making had nothing to do with whether the bookies are right or wrong. They got Notts County wrong but got Lincoln bang on and are generally not too far away with their assessments as it's how they make their money. It's the perception of our club to the footballing world, which means young kids growing up in Grimsby deciding Town are shite and following Citeh instead, players choosing which clubs to play for and thinking Town are a shite bottom feeding club. The stigma is so firmly attached that we are predicted to go down before a player has been signed or a ball has been kicked in anger. It doesn't mean we'll certainly go down or stop us from challenging for promotion, but it's helluva poor stigma to have isn't it?

Quoted from Bigdog

The point I was obviously making had nothing to do with whether the bookies are right or wrong. They got Notts County wrong but got Lincoln bang on and are generally not too far away with their assessments as it's how they make their money. It's the perception of our club to the footballing world, which means young kids growing up in Grimsby deciding Town are shite and following Citeh instead, players choosing which clubs to play for and thinking Town are a shite bottom feeding club. The stigma is so firmly attached that we are predicted to go down before a player has been signed or a ball has been kicked in anger. It doesn't mean we'll certainly go down or stop us from challenging for promotion, but it's helluva poor stigma to have isn't it?

Bang on assessment of where the club is I'm afraid..over to MJ to convince prospective signings that we aren't dead wood and they'll be coming to a club with superb fans and a plan to bring the good times back...over to Fenty to loosen the purse strings and sign said players...

The trouble is any potential players will look at this and think twice about signing for us.

No one wants a relegation out of the league on there cv.

Could be a long season.!!!

Quoted from Yoda

The trouble is any potential players will look at this and think twice about signing for us.

No one wants a relegation out of the league on there cv.

Could be a long season.!!!

Really ?

Notts County listed as favourites last year was a rare oversight from the bookies.

They don't often get it wrong, hence why you never see a poor bookie!

It should serve as no surprise that we're favourites to drop out the league (again). If you look at it solely from an outside perspective...

We did little to nothing last season to suggest we're anything but a struggling side. Albeit for a very brief period, we spent the whole season in the lower half of the table.
Our non-chairman admitted that the budget was off but without any real plan to increase it, just words.
Our creative influence wasn't our player and has since returned to his parent club.
Our only real goalscorer left after a row with the manager, leaving us with virtually no goal threat for the final weeks of the season
Our star player, McKeown, is linked with moves away from the club.
It's early in the summer but our defence is at present a good right-back, a left-back who the jury is out on and a centre-back who is dominant in the air but suspect on the floor and picks up bookings like they're going out of fashion.
There's a chronic lack of experience in the squad, heightened by the departures for experienced players and the influx of youth team players

Quoted from Bigdog

And this in a nutshell is exactly how the wider football world view our club..

Propping up the whole Football League. Quite frankly, it's an embarrassment..

A good job that bookies and their random punters don't decide League position then, isn't it?

We finished 6 places and 15 points clear of the drop last season. Just 5 places and 5 points clear the season before. We also won 5 points more than the previous season as well. Scored 4 more goals, conceded 11 fewer. In every way, this season was an improvement on the last.

It certainly wasn't great and I don't think anybody would argue it was, but favourites for the drop? Nah. That's just betting idiocy.

Quoted from supertown

Really ?

Well yes. The day has long since gone when we were viewed as a decent club that was going through bad times.

Rank bad mismanagement now shows the football world we are minnows struggling to stay in league 2, and getting a potential player to even talk to us is going to be tough.

If we can get to talk to them, offer realistic money and show them a vision that Jolley has we have a better chance, but all of our capital has been used up - the board have made us a laughing stock and they are now reaping their "rewards" by having a club many see as favourites to drop out of the league again.

Odds means nothing... Wasn't Notts Country favourite to win the league/promotion last pre-season?!?

Quoted from promotion plaice

Sky Bet League Two Promotion 19/20.......

Plymouth
2/1
Bradford
5/2
Mansfield
5/2
Scunthorpe
5/2
Salford City
3/1
Walsall
10/3
Carlisle
7/2
Colchester
7/2
Leyton Orient
4/1
Swindon
4/1
Exeter
5/1
Northampton
5/1
Crewe
6/1
Oldham
6/1
Port Vale
6/1
Cambridge
13/2
Stevenage
7/1
Cheltenham
8/1
Crawley
8/1
Grimsby
9/1
Macclesfield
9/1
Morecambe
12/1

https://m.skybet.com/football/sky-bet-league-two/event/23829111

Grimsby Town 9/1 for promotion, exactly the price I backed you at last season.

We have lost a couple of average players and let go 4 others.

No signings yet so how can they say we are favourites for the drop ?

Lets see the quality of our new signings before we contemplate the worse.

Quoted from grimsby pete

No signings yet so how can they say we are favourites for the drop ?

Because bookies are never, ever going to miss an opportunity to take money off daft punters even if the bets are based on nothing more than guesswork. :)

Literally one person has sat down and decided those odds. There will be zero cash in the market, so until people start placing some bets those odds will remain the opinion of one person.

There's no algorithm for this. Bookies don't usually offer markets like this because there's not a lot of people taking part. The money, like in the sport itself, is right at the top.

Those odds are no different from some random person off the street saying 'I think Grimsby are favourites for relegation next season' and it'll be based on nothing more than a questionably-informed hunch.

I might stick a fiver on Morecambe going down so that they become favourites

Them odds are as accurate as usual at this time of the year.

The teams just relegated up there, a team that only just stayed up 2 seasons ago, and made small improvement this season, are bound to be down at the lower end.

This might change with a few signings, might not... but they are not far off based on my expectations at this stage

Quoted from Jarmo.Is.God

Them odds are as accurate as usual at this time of the year.

The teams just relegated up there, a team that only just stayed up 2 seasons ago, and made small improvement this season, are bound to be down at the lower end.

This might change with a few signings, might not... but they are not far off based on my expectations at this stage

Nor mine.

Our retained list includes 5 youths, 2 who've barely played (Wright & Rose), 3 other strikers who are hardly prolific (Cardwell, Cook & Vernam) and two goalies who may or may not leave. Who said we wouldn't have to rebuild?

I think were nailed on to be bottom half barring a miraculous bit of wheeler dealing with transfers and our young players performing better than expected. I don`t see us getting relegated BUT given these awful runs we seem to have it could easily happen . MJ a year and a bit into the job should now know his way around League 2 and I expect him to at the very least have us organised and drilled and with the base of a squad already in place I expect to see further improvement . As usual all teams at our level need that goalscorer that`s what makes the difference we get one of those in we will do better than most.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I think were nailed on to be bottom half barring a miraculous bit of wheeler dealing with transfers and our young players performing better than expected. I don`t see us getting relegated BUT given these awful runs we seem to have it could easily happen . MJ a year and a bit into the job should now know his way around League 2 and I expect him to at the very least have us organised and drilled and with the base of a squad already in place I expect to see further improvement . As usual all teams at our level need that goalscorer that`s what makes the difference we get one of those in we will do better than most.

I don't see much of a base of a squad if I'm honest. Hess, Hendrie, Macca & Vernam OK but beyond that? Ohman looks like he could get booked every game, Harry is very inconsistent, Wright & Rose maybe off the bench, Cook grafts but little end product and Cardwell & Ring just don't look good enough.

Quoted from RichMariner

Literally one person has sat down and decided those odds. There will be zero cash in the market, so until people start placing some bets those odds will remain the opinion of one person.

There's no algorithm for this. Bookies don't usually offer markets like this because there's not a lot of people taking part. The money, like in the sport itself, is right at the top.

Those odds are no different from some random person off the street saying 'I think Grimsby are favourites for relegation next season' and it'll be based on nothing more than a questionably-informed hunch.

I was wondering how he was getting on after Notre Dame burnt down... ;)

Quoted from RichMariner

Literally one person has sat down and decided those odds. There will be zero cash in the market, so until people start placing some bets those odds will remain the opinion of one person.

There's no algorithm for this. Bookies don't usually offer markets like this because there's not a lot of people taking part. The money, like in the sport itself, is right at the top.

Those odds are no different from some random person off the street saying 'I think Grimsby are favourites for relegation next season' and it'll be based on nothing more than a questionably-informed hunch.

Of course you are correct, but I don't think that is the point.

If we hadn't had a terrible couple of decades, had not finished 18th and 17th in the last two seasons, had not got a non-investing non-chairman then the opinion of one person might seem a tad harsh.

Anybody that is not a Grimsby fan will look at the club and quite rightly will come to the conclusion that they will be favourites for the drop.

We haven't signed a star player for years; there is no chance we will sign enough quality players this time round either.

We have to face the unpalatable truth that we are a struggling league 2 / Conference club and unless something dramatic happens we will stay that way.

Every division has teams struggling near the foot of the table. That is how football works and unfortunately I see Town really struggling to avoid relegation without investment.
I always thought we would have to rebuild following some of the shocking and non entertaining performances this past season, so it is no surprise that average players have gone.
It has been said before that the break up of the conference promotion squad has cost us dear as we have struggled to put a decent squad together along with 4 different managers in that short space of time
Time will tell but I am not confident with this current regime of custodians to deliver