Finally it’s all starting to come out. Fingers crossed it happens.

Good work by them, puts the pressure on a bit

Where has the ibis bit come from, have they committed to the project if it happens?

Looks magnificent!! And with The Dock Tower as the backdrop!! How iconic!!
Far more character than Fenty Towers!!!

More blah blah blah fking blah....

all of the links, statements all stem from other people aside from the one person who has the biggest say..JF...he doesnt want Freemo so he would have to be bought into moving there...and i dont see any of the regeneration or Freeman's  money being spent on "convincing" JF to jump aboard.

The other as yet mystery option...although the statements did include A180 as a clue which is something not mentioned before.. is my one to watch.

All that these statements and visions do for my money is cloud the issue and probably set us back even further in the process.

Looking forward to buying my cheap rate pensioner season ticket for our first season in the Fentydome. Hope the new stadia will provide tartan blankets and allow matching tartan flasks in unhindered.

Let's hope Mr Fenty has come round to the Freemo stadium idea.......no doubt he'll be asked at the Trust Open Evening !!!

Fenty wont have it. no profit to be made , and it wont have his name above it in lights imo

Quoted from denni266

Fenty wont have it. no profit to be made , and it wont have his name above it in lights imo

And I was looking forward to singing 'walking to the Fentydome...to see the Jolley's aces....'

Nah - I wasn't really  ;D ;D

I do have to say that would look amazing down Freemo but again I sounds to good to be true I hope not though

Is John Fenty going to be the person that stops the club being at the heart of the region’s most transformational, forward-thinking regeneration project for decades, consigning us to a concrete bowl in the middle of nowhere next door to a Burger King and a Harvester?

Time to swallow some pride JF. If you can’t get behind this project then vacate your office and hand the keys to someone who will push us forward, not drag us backwards.

Fenty is not interested in whats good for Grimsby or the Club. What is good for his back pocket far more important and the fact he doesn't want to jump on board with this fantastic regeneration project is nothing short of sickening. For a 'mere custodian' extraordinary selfish and detrimental to the Club, the community, the area and the vision to regenerate with GTFC the focal point.

Why not  have the training pitches, ice rink and enabling (*cough* opportunity to make money back plus some and ride off into the sunset) development elsewhere if it really is so necessary? Let the Club be at the hub of the community not whacked out in some brown field and us stuck with it for generations just because one man saw dollar signs.

Quoted from ska face

Is John Fenty going to be the person that stops the club being at the heart of the region’s most transformational, forward-thinking regeneration project for decades, consigning us to a concrete bowl in the middle of nowhere next door to a Burger King and a Harvester?

Time to swallow some pride JF. If you can’t get behind this project then vacate your office and hand the keys to someone who will push us forward, not drag us backwards.

Yep. Not to mention he'd be building a lot of bridges with a huge faction of our support. Bridges that many of us thought were burnt beyond repair a long time ago. The optimist in me sees the small glimmers of positivity starting to shine through in recent months and wants to attribute that in part to a change in JF's stance on certain issues.

Quoted from Son of Cod

Yep. Not to mention he'd be building a lot of bridges with a huge faction of our support. Bridges that many of us thought were burnt beyond repair a long time ago. The optimist in me sees the small glimmers of positivity starting to shine through in recent months and wants to attribute that in part to a change in JF's stance on certain issues.

Maybe a really big opportunity to let him know on 19th February?

Jeez, none of even know what the financial proposition is, so a bit early to be knocking JF. Would you be saying the same if the rent was going to cripple the club going forward?

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Jeez, none of even know what the financial proposition is, so a bit early to be knocking JF. Would you be saying the same if the rent was going to cripple the club going forward?

I totally agree the council and the Freeman can propose all of this but no one including the Freeman and NELC  have not mentioned how or who will pay for it. There is no grants or magical pots of money to build the stadium and with no prospect of a enabling development this is a dead duck. I know for a fact JF would be happy for it to be built anywhere if the funding could be found

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

I totally agree the council and the Freeman can propose all of this but no one including the Freeman and NELC  have not mentioned how or who will pay for it. There is no grants or magical pots of money to build the stadium and with no prospect of a enabling development this is a dead duck. I know for a fact JF would be happy for it to be built anywhere if the funding could be found

Well, rather than hear it from his spokesman, it would be nice to hear it from the man himself.

Isn't the Ibis hotel an enabling development?

;D

Quoted from MuddyWaters

And I was looking forward to singing 'walking to the Fentydome...to see the Jolley's aces....'

Nah - I wasn't really  ;D ;D

;D ;D ;)

JF does want out doesn't he? So why would he care where its built, ah unless he gets him 2 mill

I’d let him call it the “john ‘everyones favourite chairman’ fenty stadium”, if he got it built down freemo

Quoted from MuddyWaters

And I was looking forward to singing 'walking to the Fentydome...to see the Jolley's aces....'

Nah - I wasn't really  ;D ;D

nah....a bit of Frankie inspiration..

The club is my oyster ..hahahahaha
the Fishy is winding me up
the council call..
the Freeman call...
in Freeman St did JF
a football dome not erect
not moving on not moving on nooo
moving at 1 mile per hour
using my power
hour by hour
i have it so i dont market it
you really cant afford it
shooting stars never stop
even when they reach the top
shooting stars never stop
even when they reach the top
there goes another investor
what a pushover yeah..
BP's still home
until i build the Fentydome
dont want Freemo
BP's falling in a hole
dont want Freemo
i only want the Fentydome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfHKgcTaU_4

Please please not the A180 it will be absolutely soulless. I’ve now come around to the Freemo idea  having watched the clip of what could become.
Also like the idea mentioned above of the peaks parkway development to still go ahead with a sports complex/village  ice arena etc with a GTFC training academy, ok it will never happen but I can dream.

I would love it to be there
But I have been told by a portfolio holder on the council that towns ground will be at least another 5yrs away and certainly not on the east marsh (freemo) I just wish the Tories (Fentys lot) and labour and liberal Dems (De Freitas lot) could get together for the sake of the town and gtfc supporters get on a common ground and make things happen !!!

New stadium is one thing but the Town desperately needs a retail district representative of the 21st century.

Quoted from hheh2

New stadium is one thing but the Town desperately needs a retail district representative of the 21st century.

its got one...every other towns high streets are full of empty units and pound shops so we are up there with the best of them for that.  ;D

Quoted from Meza

JF does want out doesn't he? So why would he care where its built, ah unless he gets him 2 mill

Would that be the 2 million he lent the club to keep it going? Prior to JF coming on the scene the only person I know of in the whole history of GTFC to lend the club any money was DR .And allegedly , he wanted it paying back immediately once he left the club. I also don't know of anybody in our history , before JF , who gifted the club any large sums of money either. The money for the Pontoon Stand, Joe Waters and Ivano all came from the supporters - no Chairmen or Board members stumping up the cash then ( either loans or gifts ).

Quoted from rancido

Would that be the 2 million he lent the club to keep it going? Prior to JF coming on the scene the only person I know of in the whole history of GTFC to lend the club any money was DR .And allegedly , he wanted it paying back immediately once he left the club. I also don't know of anybody in our history , before JF , who gifted the club any large sums of money either. The money for the Pontoon Stand, Joe Waters and Ivano all came from the supporters - no Chairmen or Board members stumping up the cash then ( either loans or gifts ).

Should the fans demand from him the untold millions he's cost the club through his mismanagement? Each season outside the FL would have cost the club a minimum of £500K so that's £3million just from the wilderness years.

There's an idea, we'll take off the money he's loaned the club from the amount his poor chairmanship has cost it and he can leave with everybody happy. So if he gives us £1million we'll call it quits and we can finally be shot of him.

Quoted from moosey_club

More blah blah blah fking blah....

all of the links, statements all stem from other people aside from the one person who has the biggest say..JF...he doesnt want Freemo so he would have to be bought into moving there...and i dont see any of the regeneration or Freeman's  money being spent on "convincing" JF to jump aboard.

The other as yet mystery option...although the statements did include A180 as a clue which is something not mentioned before.. is my one to watch.

All that these statements and visions do for my money is cloud the issue and probably set us back even further in the process.

Looking forward to buying my cheap rate pensioner season ticket for our first season in the Fentydome. Hope the new stadia will provide tartan blankets and allow matching tartan flasks in unhindered.

Oh come on, anyone would think we've been promised a new ground for nearly 25 years.

Great come and get me PR video from Freeman’s 👍 just need GTFC to take action and respond publicly to where they stand.

Looks like Freeman’s have made the first move so let’s hope GTFC won’t be silent and come out fighting.

Feels like we’re moving in the right direction Stadium wise but can’t help feeling that’s it’s a long way off.

Fenty meeting may prove pivotal 🤔🙏

Quoted from rancido

Would that be the 2 million he lent the club to keep it going? Prior to JF coming on the scene the only person I know of in the whole history of GTFC to lend the club any money was DR .And allegedly , he wanted it paying back immediately once he left the club. I also don't know of anybody in our history , before JF , who gifted the club any large sums of money either. The money for the Pontoon Stand, Joe Waters and Ivano all came from the supporters - no Chairmen or Board members stumping up the cash then ( either loans or gifts ).

That 2 million has led to the most miserable era our club has ever suffered, both in terms of results and performance and cost us far more in lost revenue. I suppose you’ve noticed?

The council want it, the freeman want it and it’s clearly the best thing for the Club and the Town.
If the club can’t get on board with this then something is very wrong.

The A180 would be a travesty.

Post Fenty we've certainly lost millions from Mike Parker and even McMullens. Not to mention the unnamed investors who believe he impossible to work with or his demands unfair.

But of course you are neutral so you would have come to that shortly.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

The council want it, the freeman want it and it’s clearly the best thing for the Club and the Town.
If the club can’t get on board with this then something is very wrong.

The A180 would be a travesty.

I'm sure I heard on Radio Humberside a couple of days ago a chap from the council mentioned there is at least one other possible site that may be available other than Freeman Street but that P.P. was a non starter.

I want the Freemo stadium so bad, i can almost taste it. It just feels so right in every respect to put it right at the heart of the community, within site of the docks, in an area that many thousands of Fishermen spent their hard earned money in the pubs and clubs, including many members of my family. Every conceivable effort should be made to make this happen.

Please not on the A180. Couldn't think of anywhere worse.

The problem is, if we only rent this stadium re football, where does the clubs additional revenue come from as surely other events would be run by the council/specially created local quango.

Why do people make out we were in some kind of £3m-sized hole and Fenty bunged the cash in and saved us? From memory, so correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t we have a £700k tax bill that Fenty negotiated a payback schedule for, and the rest of these loans have come about because of his own inability to run the business competently?

Quoted from ska face

Why do people make out we were in some kind of £3m-sized hole and Fenty bunged the cash in and saved us? From memory, so correct me if I’m wrong, didn’t we have a £700k tax bill that Fenty negotiated a payback schedule for, and the rest of these loans have come about because of his own inability to run the business competently?

That’s about it.

I want freemo ......but what if the condition of signing up for the council/ freemen building the stadium is town sign over Blundell park .......then the new stadium doesn't happen and we end up renting BP  .......that would only end in demise ......... and as for the question if we rent new stadium where does additional income come from ......... where really of any great consequence does additional income come from BP

Quoted from Madeleymariner

The problem is, if we only rent this stadium re football, where does the clubs additional revenue come from as surely other events would be run by the council/specially created local quango.

Depends on what arrangements are made. Rotherham Council use New York stadium on a corporate basis thereby reducing costs for the football club, I’m sure I’ve heard that Colchester have a similar arrangement. I’m sure the council would have a business plan in place.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

That’s about it.

what about the £700k plus  he paid back to Huxford when he called his directors loans in and 500k he paid the bank for the overdraft Huxford had run up and also called in.

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Jeez, none of even know what the financial proposition is, so a bit early to be knocking JF. Would you be saying the same if the rent was going to cripple the club going forward?

And we don't know the financial proposition for PP either. I even asked Fenty on here the other year and he didn't answer.

So if we've got got two uncounted, unfinanced pie in the sky schemes, give me the one with a bigger emotional impact and regeneration potential than concreting over greenbelt any day.

Quoted from Brazilnut

I want freemo ......but what if the condition of signing up for the council/ freemen building the stadium is town sign over Blundell park .......then the new stadium doesn't happen and we end up renting BP  .......that would only end in demise ......... and as for the question if we rent new stadium where does additional income come from ......... where really of any great consequence does additional income come from BP

All of that should be considered by any competent board, who would make sure that in the negotiations we weren't put at risk like that. Oh, wait a minute.....

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

what about the £700k plus  he paid back to Huxford when he called his directors loans in and 500k he paid the bank for the overdraft Huxford had run up and also called in.

So that's £1.2m Rob. Where did the rest of the losses come in that the loans covered?

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

what about the £700k plus  he paid back to Huxford when he called his directors loans in and 500k he paid the bank for the overdraft Huxford had run up and also called in.

To avoid the to and fro, let's forget 6 non-league years that cost at least 500k a year?

Isn't this what Hull City do? Why would it only end in demise?

Quoted from Brazilnut

I want freemo ......but what if the condition of signing up for the council/ freemen building the stadium is town sign over Blundell park .......then the new stadium doesn't happen and we end up renting BP  .......that would only end in demise ......... and as for the question if we rent new stadium where does additional income come from ......... where really of any great consequence does additional income come from BP

I suppose one other thing to note is that the Freemen aren't in it for charity. As freeholders, it's in their interests for that part of town to be regenerated. Their forefathers established through law in the early 19th century that they, as a corporate body (and everyone one of them is effectively a shareholder in that body) owned the common land in GY on which Freeman St and surrounding streets were built.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

To avoid the to and fro, let's forget 6 non-league years that cost at least 500k a year?

why did it cost the club 500k as the player budget would have been more if we had stayed in L2 which would have taken most or all the 500k a year. the Club made more money in the conference than it ever would have staying in L2, Dont get me wrong it was the worst 6 years football wise the club and fans have ever seen but financially it was not the worst time in the clubs history.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

So that's £1.2m Rob. Where did the rest of the losses come in that the loans covered?

not sure tbh but i suspect topping up player budgets whilst paying off the tax dept, Costs for studies in to Great Coats move that fell apart and paying off managers and players over the years, maybe a good question to ask at the trust meeting

Quoted from wigworld

Isn't this what Hull City do? Why would it only end in demise?

They rent new stadium .....if we signed over BP and the new stadium didn't materialise  ........then demise .......that's what I tried to say ......obviously badly ......sorry

The question I would like answering is ,Why John did you think it was a good idea to re-appoint Russel Slade.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

the Club made more money in the conference than it ever would have staying in L2, Dont get me wrong it was the worst 6 years football wise the club and fans have ever seen but financially it was not the worst time in the clubs history.

Really?

I'll agree that by dropping into non-league it forced us to reconsider how we spent money and adjust our purse strings accordingly, but maybe if we'd shown good financial practice in the first place we might not have ended up there.

But honestly, I can't believe we were better off financially in non-league.

Quoted from RichMariner

Really?

I'll agree that by dropping into non-league it forced us to reconsider how we spent money and adjust our purse strings accordingly, but maybe if we'd shown good financial practice in the first place we might not have ended up there.

But honestly, I can't believe we were better off financially in non-league.

Being 'better off financially' was probably just that - we eventually cut our cloth according to our means. That was mainly the impact the Trust going the board had. Hardly a ringing endorsement of his chairmanship. We'd managed to both overspend and underperform to get us there.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

not sure tbh but i suspect topping up player budgets whilst paying off the tax dept, Costs for studies in to Great Coats move that fell apart and paying off managers and players over the years, maybe a good question to ask at the trust meeting

Great Coates: people were pointing out that was a dead duck years before. Out of town retail had gone as a prospect back in the 90s. The decision to carry on pouring money in to studies was his mistake.

Paying off managers and players. Wonder why we had to do that.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Great Coates: people were pointing out that was a dead duck years before. Out of town retail had gone as a prospect back in the 90s. The decision to carry on pouring money in to studies was his mistake.

Paying off managers and players. Wonder why we had to do that.

The biggest and most costly managerial appointment in this clubs history  fell solely  on one persons shoulders and it was not JF then when it all went wrong and said manger was fired he ran to the hills and left others to pick up the pieces

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

I totally agree the council and the Freeman can propose all of this but no one including the Freeman and NELC  have not mentioned how or who will pay for it. There is no grants or magical pots of money to build the stadium and with no prospect of a enabling development this is a dead duck. I know for a fact JF would be happy for it to be built anywhere if the funding could be found

That's a disappointing attitude. The type of negative mindset that will keep the town and the club stuck in the dark ages.

The town Freeman and the council have been really proactive here. They have gone well beyond their remit and prepared stadium designs and placed them at the heart of the community. All for the benefit of GY and GTFC. That's the same council that rightly or wrongly, has been criticised for hindering the club down the years. You've greeted it with the same tired old Fentyisms, 'dead duck', 'magical money pot', ' where's the enabling development?'. Well for starters, the council look to have secured the backing of Ibis Hotels for the development. That's more than it would appear Peaks Parkway got.

The funding doesn't have to come from houses. In fact, if the failure of PP is anything to go by, they should be down the list as potential sources of income. I bet there are thousands of fans that would be willing to commit to a share or debenture scheme to help fund the project. Grants will be available for the stadium. The renewable energy boom is going to take hold, can we partner with firms to benefit from that perhaps.

Old thinking has got us nowhere. We need to approach this opportunity differently. The council have given us a great vision here. As Nigel Lowther last year, let's focus on the goal and not the obstacles. Otherwise we will rot in BP with the rest of the town.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

The biggest and most costly managerial appointment in this clubs history  fell solely  on one persons shoulders and it was not JF then when it all went wrong and said manger was fired he ran to the hills and left others to pick up the pieces

If you're referring to Mike Parker, he "ran for the hills" after he was publicly shafted by Fenty and who could blame him?! Why would you want to work with someone who doesn't do what they've agreed they'll do and uses dirty tricks cause they're not getting things their own way?

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

The biggest and most costly managerial appointment in this clubs history  fell solely  on one persons shoulders and it was not JF then when it all went wrong and said manger was fired he ran to the hills and left others to pick up the pieces

If you're talking about Mike Parker, we know why he 'ran to the hills'. It was because he was prepared to put his money in shares and your brother wasn't, and that Parker got caught by the rule which meant he had to buy everyone else out because he owned more than 50% of the shares.

And are you really saying it was solely Parker's decision to appoint Neil Woods? None of the other directors had a say in it? Really??

Quoted from mariner91

If you're referring to Mike Parker, he "ran for the hills" after he was publicly shafted by Fenty and who could blame him?! Why would you want to work with someone who doesn't do what they've agreed they'll do and uses dirty tricks cause they're not getting things their own way?

Sorry you beat me to it.

Quoted from mirrorballman

That's a disappointing attitude. The type of negative mindset that will keep the town and the club stuck in the dark ages.

The town Freeman and the council have been really proactive here. They have gone well beyond their remit and prepared stadium designs and placed them at the heart of the community. All for the benefit of GY and GTFC. That's the same council that rightly or wrongly, has been criticised for hindering the club down the years. You've greeted it with the same tired old Fentyisms, 'dead duck', 'magical money pot', ' where's the enabling development?'. Well for starters, the council look to have secured the backing of Ibis Hotels for the development. That's more than it would appear Peaks Parkway got.

The funding doesn't have to come from houses. In fact, if the failure of PP is anything to go by, they should be down the list as potential sources of income. I bet there are thousands of fans that would be willing to commit to a share or debenture scheme to help fund the project. Grants will be available for the stadium. The renewable energy boom is going to take hold, can we partner with firms to benefit from that perhaps.

Old thinking has got us nowhere. We need to approach this opportunity differently. The council have given us a great vision here. As Nigel Lowther last year, let's focus on the goal and not the obstacles. Otherwise we will rot in BP with the rest of the town.

It may not be much but already they have tenants' names on board, which is way ahead of anything coming out of the Peaks Parkway scheme.

Now I have seen the pics, I believe this must go ahead.  The infrastructure is there, bus and tarin routes already well established.  There are plenty of places to eat and drink, and I am sure more will spring up.  Freeman Street is rotting, Asda alone cannot keep it going.  The new stadium and the Ibis hotel, which I am sure will have the conference facilities required. Until a better plan is announced I cannot see what is not to like.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

why did it cost the club 500k as the player budget would have been more if we had stayed in L2 which would have taken most or all the 500k a year. the Club made more money in the conference than it ever would have staying in L2, Dont get me wrong it was the worst 6 years football wise the club and fans have ever seen but financially it was not the worst time in the clubs history.

Isn't that what JF said when interviewed immediately after the Burton defeat?

I assume he was talking about the funding for not being in League 2 such as TV money, advertising etc.

None of this bodes well for the J Fenty Q & A!!
He will get hammered, go into meltdown, insult someone and storm out.
This was always a bad idea!!
Please don’t wear your Starsky and Hutch Rig John, it will only make things worse!!

Quoted from hheh2

New stadium is one thing but the Town desperately needs a retail district representative of the 21st century.

Err............ have you not noticed the state of retail at the moment?

Retail is being killed off at an alarming rate by online shopping.

Most towns and cities, not just ours are full of boarded-up shops.

Even the big names are struggling sorry if you are relying on retail alone to fund the stadium we are fecked unless you can get Aldi or Lidl on board lol.

The Freemans plans look fab and this is a rare once in a lifetime opportunity to revamp this innercity area now space is being created and funding does seem to be there. Ibis Hotels are a big hitter.

The Ramsden plan to would also extend this area further.

Several other money people want this to happen, take the plunge anything is better than this slow death of our Town and Club.

That said we have had this promise of a new stadium with glossy images before and been shot down I won't believe it until the builders start putting in the foundations.

https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news/grimsby-news/grimsby-town-fc-stadium-images-2515438?fbclid=IwAR

Quoted from friskneymariner

The question I would like answering is ,Why John did you think it was a good idea to re-appoint Russel Slade.

That`s easy enough because he was an experienced Manager who knew the league and the club. The fact he was sh1t,boring and unpopular is largely irrelevent ;)

Quoted from mirrorballman

That's a disappointing attitude. The type of negative mindset that will keep the town and the club stuck in the dark ages.

The town Freeman and the council have been really proactive here. They have gone well beyond their remit and prepared stadium designs and placed them at the heart of the community. All for the benefit of GY and GTFC. That's the same council that rightly or wrongly, has been criticised for hindering the club down the years. You've greeted it with the same tired old Fentyisms, 'dead duck', 'magical money pot', ' where's the enabling development?'. Well for starters, the council look to have secured the backing of Ibis Hotels for the development. That's more than it would appear Peaks Parkway got.

The funding doesn't have to come from houses. In fact, if the failure of PP is anything to go by, they should be down the list as potential sources of income. I bet there are thousands of fans that would be willing to commit to a share or debenture scheme to help fund the project. Grants will be available for the stadium. The renewable energy boom is going to take hold, can we partner with firms to benefit from that perhaps.

Old thinking has got us nowhere. We need to approach this opportunity differently. The council have given us a great vision here. As Nigel Lowther last year, let's focus on the goal and not the obstacles. Otherwise we will rot in BP with the rest of the town.

The people of the Town want this and think it right so do the Council.JF seems from his comments yesterday to be slightly warming to the idea but I fully understand he is the one who will cop all the flak should this turn into a bad move for the Club so he must get it right. He must be made to understand the feeling for this from the Community and the Q and A with him he needs the point hammering home. He wants a legacy well here it is and he needs to grab it with both hands whilst he can.

Quoted from 1542

None of this bodes well for the J Fenty Q & A!!
He will get hammered, go into meltdown, insult someone and storm out.
This was always a bad idea!!
Please don’t wear your Starsky and Hutch Rig John, it will only make things worse!!

This should NOT be the case 100% .Firstly he should be prepared that most questions from the floor are going to revolve around this issue and based on past experiences the fans are in the main respectful and allow him to answer. I have noticed the last 3-4 years JF tends to answer like a politician and I hope he dispenses with that (if he can without breaching confidentiality) and IF he truly opposes Freemo be clear and concise as to why?

Quoted from 1mickylyons

The people of the Town want this and think it right so do the Council.JF seems from his comments yesterday to be slightly warming to the idea but I fully understand he is the one who will cop all the flak should this turn into a bad move for the Club so he must get it right. He must be made to understand the feeling for this from the Community and the Q and A with him he needs the point hammering home. He wants a legacy well here it is and he needs to grab it with both hands whilst he can.

Well said Micky I am so fed up of everybody taking the urine out of our town and football club.

I was born and brought up in Grimsby most of my father's life and his family generation all farmed the north sea and risked their lives in the frozen waters off Iceland.  

For that reason, I am very proud to be a Grimbarian.

This opportunity for the town and GTFC will not come along again we must grab it.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

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Well said Micky I am so fed up of everybody taking the urine out of our town and football club.

I was born and brought up in Grimsby most of my father's life and his family generation all farmed the north sea and risked their lives in the frozen waters off Iceland.  

For that reason, I am very proud to be a Grimbarian.

This opportunity for the town and GTFC will not come along again we must grab it.

Likewise here and the Fenty family are probably also in the same category I can only hope John feels this tugging on his heartstrings the same way we all do? I honestly thought his comments yesterday were a very well thought out and balanced view of the current situation and he seemed to have come around to thinking Freemo was NOW an option. We don`t know what`s gone on in the background but I am led to believe this was pretty much offered 2-3 year`s ago to the Club in blank state and refused because it was vague and had nothing behind it. The goalposts have since moved right across the board and all the people who really matter outside of the football club to get a ground built are actually backing this John and the Board will probably never get that fupport anywhere else? However the Board are custodians of the football club should this be a bum move ala Darlo what then? Freemo is the right place it`s the Ancestral home of the Town and gateway to GYand Clps come on John make them deliver on their promises and build us a ground fit to host the next 100 years of football.

Where can I find JFs comments yesterday

On this is grimsby

I can't see any comments from JF on any of the stories on the Telegraph site about this. Anyone able to point out where they are?

Nope neither can I.

Ahhh to be fair I have looked at it a 2nd time and his comments look to have been made some time previously rather than yesterday.It was online included in the article on Freemo

Well atleast we can now ask John Fenty some challenging questions at the Q&A on the 19th on the back of this I can not make the Q&A but I will email some questions to the trust hoping they will ask Fenty.

Also what we need now is the trust to publicly get behind these Freeman Street drawings and put pressure on the club.

These new images suggest the Molson centre and houses behind it will make way? Haven't seen any announcement on that

Where is Strand st school?

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

Where is Strand st school?

Strand St .......now ask what time does the 1524 train depart!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

I meant on the plans you plank.  (lol)
As to your question, if you are working about 7.30 in the morning

It looks fantastic and hopefully the groundswell of opinion for it will force Fenty's position to change but how many 'artist's impressions' of our new ground have we all seen. The artists and planners must have made a fortune out of producing images of a new ground for GTFC that have never happened.

Believe it when I see it (but sadly at my age I am unlikely to)

Quoted from Brazilnut

Strand St .......now ask what time does the 1524 train depart!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D

If it's Northern Rail probably about 15:45

A little mock up of a cheeper option I made for Mr Fenty


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Absolutely love it to happen but we've had that many mock ups and potential locations I've given up on the idea of it ever happening until we get that picture in the telegraph of Fenty shovel in hand as construction begins.

I would love it to happen but if Fenty does not want it we have no chance.

If Mr Fenty believes he's a good business man he surely knows the first rule of business is to give the customer what he/she wants.

Let's hope the questions at the Fenty meeting are all around the club moving forward with the stadium being the main topic.

The last thing we need is to be asking is old repative questions about the past causing a non productive meeting.

If we only focus about the Stadium then we might get his real thoughts rather than moving to another question about what happened years ago.

I think Mr Fenty might throw in a suprise with a change of attitude to this location based on his reservations were largely against the whole Freemo thing being just a token location previously. Now it seems to have almost total backing from the fanbase and clearly most of if not all the Council seem to back this location and they want to regenerate the entire area which will enable a Community Stadium to thrive. I would think his major concern will be what will GTFC get out of this financially 7 days a week especially if they are paying rent?

Think Fenty will (and rightly so) want assurances from the freemans? that money and investment will be guaranteed to help fund a new stadium. So far we have all seen the lovely images of what could be but nobody as really talked about who or where the considerable amount of money will be coming from.

So again whose paying for this stadium ? We have a owner who is taking his loans out bit by bit , which is his prerogative granted so obviously he’s out. We have a local authority who can’t sort out recycling rubbish so my confidence in them putting a package together is low. Several local wealthy business people appear to dislike our owner so that rules most of them out .. I just can’t see it happening really hope I’m wrong

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Think Fenty will (and rightly so) want assurances from the freemans? that money and investment will be guaranteed to help fund a new stadium. So far we have all seen the lovely images of what could be but nobody as really talked about who or where the considerable amount of money will be coming from.

JF whatever people think is duty bound to make this move the right one for the Club and that largely revolves around finances. This would be easier than you think to just dive in and erect a gound to play football in the problem is what happens next? I think someone else other than GTFC will pay to build the actual ground and GTFC will then pay it back over so many year`s if for example that`s the Council that`s fine in so much they can justify the actual spend. GTFC would need to be able to guarantee they could pay back x amount a year to secure the deal whilst at the same time maintaining a competitive squad for the league they are in . A new ground would see fan`s expectations rise and taking Lincoln as an example if we saw our crowds double/treble they would demand play offs within 2 years. None of this should be something the Club are fearful of but they would need to exercise caution whilst at the same time expressing some long overdue ambition and `i`m not talking just Fenty it`s lacked ambition since 1981.

Trying to think if any other club has built a new stadium within the boundaries of a Town/City which have benefiitted from the resulting regeneration. Can only really come up with out of town retail/industrial parks?

Quoted from chipsandgravy

Trying to think if any other club has built a new stadium within the boundaries of a Town/City which have benefiitted from the resulting regeneration. Can only really come up with out of town retail/industrial parks?

Everton's planned new ground is also planned for an old docks area whilst Brentford's is going to be right by Kew Bridge in an area of industrial desolation..How about Rotherham, Millwall,southampton, Boro and Sunderland's Stadium of Shite ?

Think chesterfields new ground cost around 12 million ( pretty sure someone will correct me ) surely we can get 7/8 large companies to offset some of there tax payments to have naming rights

Quoted from chipsandgravy

Trying to think if any other club has built a new stadium within the boundaries of a Town/City which have benefiitted from the resulting regeneration. Can only really come up with out of town retail/industrial parks?

Pride Park Derby?

That seemed to have built up tremendously from my original visit with Town and seemed to have a bit of allsorts around it.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Pride Park Derby?

That seemed to have built up tremendously from my original visit with Town and seemed to have a bit of allsorts around it.

Could not believe how that area had changed from my first to last visit first time fantastic ground in the middle of nowhere last visit a busy vibrant area who ever had the foresight needs to get on board with our plans

Quoted from forza ivano

Everton's planned new ground is also planned for an old docks area whilst Brentford's is going to be right by Kew Bridge in an area of industrial desolation..How about Rotherham, Millwall,southampton, Boro and Sunderland's Stadium of Shite ?

Yeah some good calls there. Particuarly Southampton which if i remember now right is a mixture of retail and new housing developments.
Fingers crossed we can join that list. Its so obvious that it would be a travesty if we missed the opportunity!

We can apply for funding from the FA and various agencies and as mentioned above we should be pro-active approaching big global organisations with a view to partner up with them.

With a little bit of work and effort the funding can be found.

I repeat what I said the other day, we need a statement from the Trust publicly backing a new stadium at Freeman Street.

Quoted from Davec

I repeat what I said the other day, we need a statement from the Trust publicly backing a new stadium at Freeman Street.

This.

Anything at all that can increase the pressure on Fenty. It won't count for much of course as Fenty never takes any notice of the Trust and they carry no weight at all in reality but every little helps and the Trust are of course supposed to represent the fans and their loyalties are supposed to lie with them not the board, unless of course they don't have the balls to stand up to Fenty. Come out and publicly disagree with him just this once please.

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Could not believe how that area had changed from my first to last visit first time fantastic ground in the middle of nowhere last visit a busy vibrant area who ever had the foresight needs to get on board with our plans

Could say the same about Glanford Park.   There was nothing around there when it was first built, now it's one of the (if not the) busiest areas in Scunthorpe.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Could say the same about Glanford Park.   There was nothing around there when it was first built, now it's one of the (if not the) busiest areas in Scunthorpe.

Except on matchday  :P

Quoted from Davec

We can apply for funding from the FA and various agencies and as mentioned above we should be pro-active approaching big global organisations with a view to partner up with them.

With a little bit of work and effort the funding can be found.

I repeat what I said the other day, we need a statement from the Trust publicly backing a new stadium at Freeman Street.

You may well get a statement from the Trust publicly backing it BUT can`t see this happening til the GTFC Board do likewise unless the Trust Board member can persuade

I have a dream. I have a dream that one day all man will be equal and that we shall all be walking side by side down Freeman Street towards the fantastically-built new home of the Mariners, via the Wellington Arms after a pint or two, where the club originally formed.

I will be marvelling at all of the memorabilia, which adorns the Welly walls, whilst chatting fervently with my fellow ilk about the new positive vibrancy which the Stadium has brought to the area. I will be proud as punch that the visiting fans find their match day experience so positive and that the park and ride on the docks scheme (thanks ABP.) is so easy for them.

I have a dream that the architects know exactly what is required of the design, as they are a local firm and are fans of the team as well. And I dream that JF gets on board with all of the goodwill that is going about as regards this new forward-thinking enterprise, that we all come together and put a bit of pride back in our one flourishing town, to put a little bit of great back into Grimsby.

Yes, I have a dream. AND I WANT TO GET THERE WITH YOU.


(Excerpts taken from Martin Luther King, all rights reserved)

Should I get me coat?

No, that was quite nice.

Quoted from Ipswin

This.

Anything at all that can increase the pressure on Fenty. It won't count for much of course as Fenty never takes any notice of the Trust and they carry no weight at all in reality but every little helps and the Trust are of course supposed to represent the fans and their loyalties are supposed to lie with them not the board, unless of course they don't have the balls to stand up to Fenty. Come out and publicly disagree with him just this once please.

Think that's a tad unfair on the Trust. They have opposed the majority board view in the past, but they only have one vote, so if the others on the board decide to go the other way, there's not much they can do. I am sure they were against the Chicken Tray Trophy for instance, but the board voted for it anyway. That's democracy, but i get what you are saying, in that i think most on the board would tend to vote the same way. The Trust can give their opinion as the fans reps, but the rest of the board can outvote them.

Truth be told they fecked off to Portugal sipping free champagne and voted in favour without The Trust, or its representative on the board having the foggiest as to what was going on. Where was the democracy there? And it clearly shows the high esteem the Trust are (not) held in.

Quoted from ginnywings

Think that's a tad unfair on the Trust. They have opposed the majority board view in the past, but they only have one vote, so if the others on the board decide to go the other way, there's not much they can do. I am sure they were against the Chicken Tray Trophy for instance, but the board voted for it anyway. That's democracy, but i get what you are saying, in that i think most on the board would tend to vote the same way. The Trust can give their opinion as the fans reps, but the rest of the board can outvote them.

Goes back to the share vote thing again, Trust members voted away the opportunity to hold the major shareholder to account and, for whatever reasons Mr F held sway. Ever since, the Trust board have been pretty powerless.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Goes back to the share vote thing again, Trust members voted away the opportunity to hold the major shareholder to account and, for whatever reasons Mr F held sway. Ever since, the Trust board have been pretty powerless.

Exactly. Golden opportunity missed.

Hopefully the membership will never let it happen again.

Is Fenty actually turning a corner by openly supporting the Freeman St location? (telewag report).

Can only be a positive can it not?

🤞🤞

He also said everyone as got to be on the same page , which translates into very doubtful this will happen

If Fenty has changed tack (and I have yet to see/read this) it will be that he has had some positive news regarding funding which we are not privy to.

He is after all also a councillor albeit a conservative.

Martin Vickers too is also an M.P. who has only recently become a "Freeman" of Grimsby and is keen on the Stadium idea so between them they must know more than we do about funding.

Maybe, just maybe thing are moving in the right direction.

Could be a lasting legacy John one to be proud of. :) :) :)

I’m so relieved that captain of industry Martin Vickers is involved ..anyone tell me what successful business he’s been involved in?

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

I’m so relieved that captain of industry Martin Vickers is involved ..anyone tell me what successful business he’s been involved in?

Duping the nation?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Goes back to the share vote thing again, Trust members voted away the opportunity to hold the major shareholder to account and, for whatever reasons Mr F held sway. Ever since, the Trust board have been pretty powerless.

But this is the crux of the matter isn't it? The Trust board put the vote to the Trust members and they democratically voted to give the shares back. I think we should have stayed off the board and kept the shares personally, but it's too late now. The fact that the Trust board is now powerless is a decision that was brought about by the members, so to keep having a go at people who are doing their best for the love of the club is futile.

Quoted from ginnywings

But this is the crux of the matter isn't it? The Trust board put the vote to the Trust members and they democratically voted to give the shares back. I think we should have stayed off the board and kept the shares personally, but it's too late now. The fact that the Trust board is now powerless is a decision that was brought about by the members, so to keep having a go at people who are doing their best for the love of the club is futile.

I can't remember but didn't the Trust board advise the members to vote to give JF the shares?

Quoted from arryarryarry

I can't remember but didn't the Trust board advise the members to vote to give JF the shares?

I can't remember either, though there were some doomsday scenarios put forward by the club over financing and having to sell our best player/s (Bogle?) if the vote went against JF and the board, if i remember rightly.

The members didn't have to take heed though, and i think we should have called their bluff. It could have been the catalyst for change.

Quoted from ginnywings

But this is the crux of the matter isn't it? The Trust board put the vote to the Trust members and they democratically voted to give the shares back. I think we should have stayed off the board and kept the shares personally, but it's too late now. The fact that the Trust board is now powerless is a decision that was brought about by the members, so to keep having a go at people who are doing their best for the love of the club is futile.

It's water under the bridge now but everything about that whole business was unsatisfactory. The Trust was in serious decline membership-wise. The timing of the shares donation was awful in respect of our ability to deal with it. We had no real prior warning. The then Trust board was split about the course we should take so in reality the only option was a vote by the members who had in many cases stuck by the Trust from the very beginning. I believed then it was the right thing to do and still do. Those who still bemoan the result probably weren't bothered enough to join at the time (or before). Some are probably still not. Was I happy with the result? No- but it represented democracy at work. The margin was one that Theresa May could only dream about.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I can't remember but didn't the Trust board advise the members to vote to give JF the shares?

It was over 7 years ago but I genuinely cannot remember discussing endorsement of either side. As I've said the Trust Board at that time were very split on the best way forward.

Quoted from barralad

It's water under the bridge now but everything about that whole business was unsatisfactory. The Trust was in serious decline membership-wise. The timing of the shares donation was awful in respect of our ability to deal with it. We had no real prior warning. The then Trust board was split about the course we should take so in reality the only option was a vote by the members who had in many cases stuck by the Trust from the very beginning. I believed then it was the right thing to do and still do. Those who still bemoan the result probably weren't bothered enough to join at the time (or before). Some are probably still not. Was I happy with the result? No- but it represented democracy at work. The margin was one that Theresa May could only dream about.

Couldn't the trust do something about trying to buy those shares or atleast a portion of those shares back? atleast ask JF how much he would want and then set about wit a plan on how to raise that money.

Quoted from ginnywings

I can't remember either, though there were some doomsday scenarios put forward by the club over financing and having to sell our best player/s (Bogle?) if the vote went against JF and the board, if i remember rightly.

The members didn't have to take heed though, and i think we should have called their bluff. It could have been the catalyst for change.

It was Liam Hearn at that time. The stance J.F. took was that he couldn't envisage a situation where someone who if things went t1ts would be covering any cash flow problems could be outvoted.

Quoted from Davec

Couldn't the trust do something about trying to buy those shares or atleast a portion of those shares back? atleast ask JF how much he would want and then set about wit a plan on how to raise that money.

If the Trust wanted to go down the route of buying shares we wouldn't need to ask J.F. to sell us any of his.
With respect Aaron you've made your views on how bad you think the Trust is very clear on here. Perhaps if you actually joined it would a. Be easier to get your view across from within and B. Your membership fee would help boost our coffers.

Quoted from barralad

If the Trust wanted to go down the route of buying shares we wouldn't need to ask J.F. to sell us any of his.
With respect Aaron you've made your views on how bad you think the Trust is very clear on here. Perhaps if you actually joined it would a. Be easier to get your view across from within and B. Your membership fee would help boost our coffers.

I just don't think they have much say really in the club at all, as others have mentioned on this thread and other threads the board see the trust as a hindrance rather than a help, like Fenty saying Operation Promotion was the worst thing ever to happen when several people worked really hard put in loads of hours for that only not to be unappreciated by Fenty and the board, The checkatrade trophy where the trust were not consulted. The meeting about Russell Slade when Jon Wood passionately put across why he thought Slade should have been sacked but he was not listened too because the decision was already made before he had chance to have a say.

That is why I am not a member because I think the trust do work very hard and try their best but the club board don't exactly take them seriously. I will be impressed if the trust publicly back the new stadium drawings on Freeman Street in an attempt to try and force the clubs hand.

I think the trust are at a crossroads and need to go in a new direction, which direction that is I do not know and before people tell me to join the trust board I do not have relevant skills or experience to do that although I am good at Administrative Duties ;) but I think it takes more than just admin skills to make a difference.

Quoted from barralad

It was over 7 years ago but I genuinely cannot remember discussing endorsement of either side. As I've said the Trust Board at that time were very split on the best way forward.

I spoke to a board member at the time and he suggested to me that the members should vote to hand over the shares but I don't know what the other board members suggested if they did.

Quoted from Davec

I just don't think they have much say really in the club at all, as others have mentioned on this thread and other threads the board see the trust as a hindrance rather than a help, like Fenty saying Operation Promotion was the worst thing ever to happen when several people worked really hard put in loads of hours for that only not to be unappreciated by Fenty and the board, The checkatrade trophy where the trust were not consulted. The meeting about Russell Slade when Jon Wood passionately put across why he thought Slade should have been sacked but he was not listened too because the decision was already made before he had chance to have a say.

That is why I am not a member because I think the trust do work very hard and try their best but the club board don't exactly take them seriously. I will be impressed if the trust publicly back the new stadium drawings on Freeman Street in an attempt to try and force the clubs hand.

I think the trust are at a crossroads and need to go in a new direction, which direction that is I do not know and before people tell me to join the trust board I do not have relevant skills or experience to do that although I am good at Administrative Duties ;) but I think it takes more than just admin skills to make a difference.

Hey Aaron, don't you think if more people joined we'd have more influence? The way to respond to a defeat or knock back isn't to give up, which is effectively what you're doing, but re-double your efforts snd work to make your side better. The Trust, and therefore the supporters, will never have influence if they don't join together.

I agree, the Trust needs to go in a new direction. t the moment it doesn't feel equipped or willing to take over the club or a more leading role. It needs more people with a radical vision.

Everyone's efforts count. Plenty of people want to be chiefs, but I bet more Indians would be welcome. You can make a difference.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Hey Aaron, don't you think if more people joined we'd have more influence? The way to respond to a defeat or knock back isn't to give up, which is effectively what you're doing, but re-double your efforts snd work to make your side better. The Trust, and therefore the supporters, will never have influence if they don't join together.

I agree, the Trust needs to go in a new direction. t the moment it doesn't feel equipped or willing to take over the club or a more leading role. It needs more people with a radical vision.

Everyone's efforts count. Plenty of people want to be chiefs, but I bet more Indians would be welcome. You can make a difference.

What you doing on here? Shouldn't you be on your nuptials?

Maybe the Trust should conduct a survey and act on the results

Quoted from arryarryarry

I spoke to a board member at the time and he suggested to me that the members should vote to hand over the shares but I don't know what the other board members suggested if they did.

Fair comment. I think there may have been individuals advocating either option. I'm not sure that it was formalised into an official position. The whole business cost us the services of a couple of board members who would have had a great deal to offer

Quoted from ginnywings

What you doing on here? Shouldn't you be on your nuptials?

Well, when you've been together as long as we have I wasn't expecting to be taking advantage of my full rights of access. Small do only immediate family. Low maintenance wife.