Good of the Trust to organise this event again.

Next up we have a Trust open evening for which will we have a provisional date of February 19th and it will be in the Trust bar starting at 7.30pm. John Fenty has accepted our invitation to attend and so this is a great chance to not only ask questions but also put forward initiatives and suggestions for improvements. Entry is free and is open to all fans.


Anyone going down to ask about flasks, toilets or getting the bird shiit cleaned off your seat, probably stop at home & watch Emmerdale or something.

Hopefully it’ll be constructive and good natured, though time will tell!

http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/newsletter-23rd-january-2019/

Quoted from ska face

Good of the Trust to organise this event again.

Next up we have a Trust open evening for which will we have a provisional date of February 19th and it will be in the Trust bar starting at 7.30pm. John Fenty has accepted our invitation to attend and so this is a great chance to not only ask questions but also put forward initiatives and suggestions for improvements. Entry is free and is open to all fans.


Anyone going down to ask about flasks, toilets or getting the bird shiit cleaned off your seat, probably stop at home & watch Emmerdale or something.

Hopefully it’ll be constructive and good natured, though time will tell!

http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/newsletter-23rd-january-2019/

There is only one question on the agenda surely?

"When are you going to step aside Mr. Fenty and let the club have a fresh start?"

I think you are being optimistic about it being good-natured and constructive; we do our job by buying season tickets and paying gate money and merchandise. It is not our job to be constructive - that is the job of the board and the people they employ. Many people have been constructive in the past, only to be faced with talking to a brick wall. If people haven't realised by now that we will never, ever improve under the current regime then I give up.

oh god. please no. this has the makings of anothe disastrous chapter of gtfc p.r. gaffes

Is the open evening going to start off with a half hour Powerpoint presentation from JF outlining his fully costed masterplan for the future of GTFC? Surely it can't be too much to ask after eighteen years to get his act together? Or is he going to turn up with a list of excuses explaining how the job of bringing the club into the 21st century is way beyond his means and talents? Leave no stone unturned until new investors or a fully costed stadium plan with an opening date are announced John, everything else is just hot air and fruitless frittering around the edges of stagnation..

Talk about an open invitation to a bun fight ...surely JSF understands the utter frustrations of the fans toward him and his prepared to face that??..either shows the arrogance of the man or he's just deluded and thinks we as fans are grateful for 18 years of utter sh!te he's dished out during his tenure...oh to be a fly on the wall on that night...

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Talk about an open invitation to a bun fight ...surely JSF understands the utter frustrations of the fans toward him and his prepared to face that??..either shows the arrogance of the man or he's just deluded and thinks we as fans are grateful for 18 years of utter sh!te he's dished out during his tenure...oh to be a fly on the wall on that night...

You could always go.

I want inviting for a straightener ;D it`s alright being a keyboard warrior but whatever Fenty`s faults one of them is not hiding away. I enjoy his quiet periods it means were doing well then he issues a statement it signifies turbulent water ahead. I would hope for a lot of dialouge and some heavy questioning in relation to the new ground and his vision for taking the football club forward or his exit strategy . I have found you can ask him a question and he will answer but if it`s something he doesn`t want to answer he answers like a politician that`s not a criticism by the way it`s just what happens. I would urge people to attend in numbers and be respectful but get the point across we care and we want progress for GTFC .Good on him for agreeing to it he doesn`t have to.

Quoted from forza ivano

oh god. please no. this has the makings of anothe disastrous chapter of gtfc p.r. gaffes

Is the mardy-ar$e acountant turning up? :-/

Quoted from Bigdog

Is the open evening going to start off with a half hour Powerpoint presentation from JF outlining his fully costed masterplan for the future of GTFC? Surely it can't be too much to ask after eighteen years to get his act together? Or is he going to turn up with a list of excuses explaining how the job of bringing the club into the 21st century is way beyond his means and talents? Leave no stone unturned until new investors or a fully costed stadium plan with an opening date are announced John, everything else is just hot air and fruitless frittering around the edges of stagnation..

Why don't you go along and find out??

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Talk about an open invitation to a bun fight ...surely JSF understands the utter frustrations of the fans toward him and his prepared to face that??..either shows the arrogance of the man or he's just deluded and thinks we as fans are grateful for 18 years of utter sh!te he's dished out during his tenure...oh to be a fly on the wall on that night...

Why be a fly on the wall when you can go along?

I for one will be attending. I think it's a good idea and thank JF for accepting the invite. Hoping that sensible questions will be put forward to him and the trust. Also hope that it doesn't turn into a Fenty out party.

Quoted from ska face

ng.

Hopefully it’ll be constructive and good natured, though time will tell!

I doubt it will be the first and I hope it's not the second.

A good row is probably the most we can expect. Who's going to play 'Shut Up's' role? Will Fenty be as quiet and withdrawn as the was at the Fans Forum or, given the absence of Slade and Shut Up will he have to be more to the fore?

Interesting

I probably will go along but my concern is that people become irrational during times of turbulence and uncertainty, I feel that maybe JSF has opened himself for more abuse and no-one should put themselves in that situation..
Yes he always comes out, makes a statement and answers questions but at this present moment in time and the I'll feeling, which has grown since he made an appearance with a statement right at the wrong time, toward him and the board that having an open session will create even more unrest which actually is the polar opposite to what we need..

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I probably will go along but my concern is that people become irrational during times of turbulence and uncertainty, I feel that maybe JSF has opened himself for more abuse and no-one should put themselves in that situation..
Yes he always comes out, makes a statement and answers questions but at this present moment in time and the I'll feeling, which has grown since he made an appearance with a statement right at the wrong time, toward him and the board that having an open session will create even more unrest which actually is the polar opposite to what we need..

It's the mariners trust that have organised this and invited him along. How would it look if he refused?

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Why don't you go along and find out??

Oh.. here we go. I live in Spain, I offered my services to the club for free in the past (didn't need help with PR), I offered up a contact of a long shot potential big name investor (never followed up but was easily worth a punt) I put questions forward to the last forum when none got read out, I've offered him a one to one Q&A on here, I wrote a list of questions for him to answer on another thread but he chose to talk about the Main Stand made up subject instead..

You're like an annoying fooking wasp that turns up red crossing and chastising everyone making assumptions about people while not knowing anything about them. You're the epitome of why the club will never listen and take a step forward by being blindly loyal to the stagnation of the status quo. Fook what the fans think as long as John's happy and running the club in his comfort zone, and therein lies the problem that's at the heart of the club..

Quoted from Bigdog

Oh.. here we go. I live in Spain, I offered my services to the club for free in the past, I put questions forward to the last forum when none got read out, I've offered him a one to one Q&A on here, I wrote a list of questions for him to answer on another thread but he chose to talk about the Main Stand made up subject..

You're like an annoying fooking wasp that turns up red crossing and chastising everyone making assumptions while not knowing anything about them. You're the epitome of why the club will never take a step forward by being blindly loyal to the stagnation of the status quo. Fook what the fans think as long as John's happy, and therein lies the problem that's at the heart of the club..

Put your questions to the trust again and maybe just maybe one or 2 may get answered. Bring some of your business accumen to the table!! I'm not chastising nor making assumptions. I'm simply voicing my opinions like many others including yourself,  just because I'm not on the Fenty out bandwagon doesn't mean I don't care about the club or the future of it.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Put your questions to the trust again and maybe just maybe one or 2 may get answered. Bring some of your business accumen to the table!! I'm not chastising nor making assumptions. I'm simply voicing my opinions like many others including yourself,  just because I'm not on the Fenty out bandwagon doesn't mean I don't care about the club or the future of it.

Here's a first for you..

How about you write down what questions you'd like to ask on this thread. No one knows on here actually what you think about the club and its future other than you being loyal to John..

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

It's the mariners trust that have organised this and invited him along. How would it look if he refused?

Correct and he should have nothing to fear other than some difficult questioning.To my recollection he get no abuse whatsoever at the fan`s forum I mean he got lambasted afterwards obviously but on the night most fan`s were ok with all those at the top table.The 3 most abusive people on the night were Marley and the guy goading him plus the guy who started abusing Matt Dean initially.

My first thought about this is....

I hope we don't end up with an embarrassing and wholly damaging incident like last year.

Worried this will do more harm than good.

Quoted from Bigdog

Here's a first for you..

How about you write down what questions you'd like to ask on this thread. No one knows on here actually what you think about the club and its future other than you being loyal to John..

I don't have to bow down to you and write my questions on here. I'll ask what I like and post on here if I feel they are relevant. People at the event will know. And why is it your business? Why is it anything to do with you? Why are you so het up about my thoughts? I dont push my opinions on others the way you and so many others do. I comment when I please. And as for being like an annoying wasp my sting is far worse!!

Why Feb... Why not end of the season.  I just hope nothing negative like last time occurs and impacts the current positivity.

I think we as fan`s are duty bound to try and attend this meeting and get the point across not only do we care but many of us genuinely want to help. Just my own personal opinion and I would like JF to answer why this can`t work. In my opinion GTFC need to relocate and I think the best area for relocation is Freemo/Docks area . My reasoning behind this is I want to see the Town of Grimsby being put first and the football club benefitting as a result. Freeman St is the historic heart of the town it`s dead the area run down a Community Stadium built here would revive many pubs and buisnesses in that area and give it some pride back. JF may well argue that`s not in the best interests of the football club and he is more qualified than I to get that point over in terms of finance etc. The problem he has is wether he likes it or not a significant amount of fan`s like myself whilst happy to relocate anywhere in essence now actually want the ground Freemo/Docks . The fan`s stadium view on here with the iconic dock tower in the background is what we should strive for it`s what John Fenty should strive for because that is a legacy and one that will be remembered . Can people change his mind by getting this point across on the night I have no idea but I am willing to try and in the unlikely event that actually happens what then? The fan`s have the power to call Oxby et al out and tell them you said we could have a ground we want it the club want it BUILD IT.

It would be nice to see Mr Fenty come to the meeting with a plan for the future of GTFC that the fans could all buy into and get behind but, as on so many previous occasions, it’s more likely to be a justification of the past and maybe the present.

I think personally I'd like to see JF look at the bigger picture here and think about the town and not his self interest.  After all he wants out.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

I probably will go along but my concern is that people become irrational during times of turbulence and uncertainty, I feel that maybe JSF has opened himself for more abuse and no-one should put themselves in that situation..

For what it’s worth, I don’t think anyone has ever gone to one of these events with the aim of abusing Fenty, nor can I ever remember it happening. Most of the fallout comes afterwards when fans feel they’ve been fobbed off with politicians answers, lied to or disrespected.

There should be no issue that a fan brings to the meeting that should catch Fenty cold - all the questions we have are the ones he should be asking himself every day. How are they going to get more fans through the door, what’s the long-term strategy (i.e. when’s he off), what’s happening with relocation?

I’d like to see it structured slightly better than a general Q&A, perhaps some questions submitted in advance giving the Trust and Fenty the chance to answer properly, before an open question session in the second half. We know Fenty bullshits & blusters when he’s caught out so it’d be handy to give him the opportunity to answer properly rather than just dismiss questions he’s not expecting.

I just hope it doesn’t end up with the usual “how long is Joe Bloggs’ contract”, “why aren’t we playing 4-4-2”, “my bovril’s cold” type stuff.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

I don't have to bow down to you and write my questions on here. I'll ask what I like and post on here if I feel they are relevant. People at the event will know. And why is it your business? Why is it anything to do with you? Why are you so het up about my thoughts? I dont push my opinions on others the way you and so many others do. I comment when I please. And as for being like an annoying wasp my sting is far worse!!

You jump on everyone on here but never have the courage of your convictions to write down an alternative debating point. FFS if a forum isn't about writing opinions then I don't know what the word forum means. You're an associate of John's who thinks it's more important to dilute fans actual feelings by red crossing away in blind defence of him rather than accepting the grave concerns the fans have about how the club has been left behind or the lack of vision for the future. As soon as John gets crticised, you and others who never post about the footy are like a swarm of bees who don't want to listen but prefer to try and skew the level of concern. Which when running a business the only thing that matters is addressing criticism and concerns for that business to grow and prosper. It just goes to show the small time way that the club is being run by infiltrating the prime source of fan feedback. There'll be a concerted effort into trying to get as many JF associates in the room again and monopolise with easy questions and loud clapping. What good is that for the future of the club? It's eighteen years now of the worst sustained period in the club's history and we're still not on the starting line when it comes to future investment and infrastructure because there's absolutely no personal responsibility taken for it at board level. Good on the Trust for setting this up, good on JF for accepting, but in reality, who thinks we'll all be on here talking about the same shortcomings off the pitch in one, three and five years time? Just another occasion when JF will come out with all the excuses to justify himself and fans will go weak at the knees because they're not used to speaking in public and be a little bit fascinated into the inner workings of insignificant parts of the club that have no bearing on its future. It would be good if there was some way that the Trust could find a suitable way for the questions to be pre-agreed with the fans by way of voting for them rather than time wasted on irrelevencies that have no bearing on the great mid and long term challenges that face the club..

Oh dear. Oh dear indeed Bigdog. It seems that you think you have the answers to everything! Running a football club is not the same as running a retail outlet for example. If it all goes wrong you can't just up sticks and leave. The club is run very well behind the scenes. I'm more concerned with what's happening on the green stuff.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Oh dear. Oh dear indeed Bigdog. It seems that you think you have the answers to everything! Running a football club is not the same as running a retail outlet for example. If it all goes wrong you can't just up sticks and leave. The club is run very well behind the scenes. I'm more concerned with what's happening on the green stuff.

Most fans are they just want to see a winning team. Trouble is when you`ve actually witnessed a winning team at Championship level you can`t understand why in 18 year`s 6 were then spent non league and 11 of the remaining 12 league 2?

So is it only Mr Fenty on the stage of are other directors and M Jolley also there?

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Oh dear. Oh dear indeed Bigdog. It seems that you think you have the answers to everything! Running a football club is not the same as running a retail outlet for example. If it all goes wrong you can't just up sticks and leave. The club is run very well behind the scenes. I'm more concerned with what's happening on the green stuff.

He is right about you though.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Oh dear. Oh dear indeed Bigdog. It seems that you think you have the answers to everything! Running a football club is not the same as running a retail outlet for example. If it all goes wrong you can't just up sticks and leave. The club is run very well behind the scenes. I'm more concerned with what's happening on the green stuff.

Inward investment zero
Progress on the new stadium zero
Extreme
Current stadium facilities poor
Current stadium upkeep poor
PR poor
Season ticket marketing poor
Outdated ticketing system
Self Select scheme poor take up
Stagnant home attendances
Falling away support
Failure to engage with exile support
Not actively searching for new investment
Hit and miss customer service
Low end League Two playing budget
Poor relationship with fanbase
Shut up
Fans are bullies Checkatrade
Slagging off the Trust
Bullying Matt Dean
FGR pitch row
Bragate
SLO
OP worst thing that's happened to the club
Backing Slade
Failure to build on positivity
Poorly worded statements and social media posts
Showers not working in changing rooms for years
Not enough toilet facilities for fans
Port Vale fiasco

Well if that's being well run behind the scenes!! A football club is much more than balancing accounts and allocating income. Look at that list of shortcomings and errors. And by a detail in your post I now know that you are indeed very close to JF if not JF himself, I'm flabbergasted if you think that the club is being well run behind the scenes and it is underlined by you saying this and points to the club sitting on its laurels, patting themselves on the back and haven't the werewithal to push our club forward. A total unacceptance, understanding or personal responsibility of what is needed for a football club in the 21st century, just bimbling along in personal comfort zones. I'm just a fan that is desperate for the club to take a step forward and by being associated with the club in some way, you should be ashamed at coming on a fan's forum and jabbing away at the people who are the ones that are providing the money to keep the club going..

I'm far less concerned about what's going on on the pitch rather than off it, even after the last four games. In fact we're nearly at the highest point in the football pyramid in all of the eighteen years of JF's tenure, which is a shocking fact in itself..

Will there be a Live Stream....Blog ???

Quoted from Bigdog

Inward investment zero
Progress on the new stadium zero
Current stadium facilities poor
Current stadium upkeep poor
PR poor
Season ticket marketing poor
Outdated ticketing system
Self Select scheme poor take up
Stagnant home attendances
Falling away support
Failure to engage with exile support
Not actively searching for new investment
Hit and miss customer service
Low end League Two playing budget
Poor relationship with fanbase
Shut up
Fans are bullies Checkatrade
Bullying Matt Dean
FGR pitch row
Bragate
SLO
OP worst thing that's happened to the club
Backing Slade
Failure to build on positivity
Poorly worded statements and social media posts
Showers not working in changing rooms for years
Not enough toilet facilities for fans
Port Vale fiasco

Well if that's being well run behind the scenes!! A football club is much more than balancing accounts and allocating income. Look at that list of shortcomings and errors. And by a detail in your post I now know that you are indeed very close to JF if not JF himself, I'm flabbergasted if you think that the club is being well run behind the scenes and it underlines by you saying this that the club are sitting on its laurels, patting themselves on the back and haven't the werewithal to push our club forward. A total unacceptance or understanding of what is needed for a football club in the 21st century or just bimbling along in personal comfort zones. I'm just a fan that is desperate for the club to take a step forward and by being associated with the club in some way, you should be ashamed at coming on a fan's forum and jabbing away at the people who are the ones that are providing the money to keep the club going..

I'm far less concerned about what's going on on the pitch rather than off it, even after the last four games. In fact we're nearly at the highest point in the football pyramid in all of the eighteen years of JF's tenure, which is a shocking fact in itself..

All of this coming from someone who lives in Spain and doesn't attend games??
I'm not jabbing away at all!! And I do provide money to keep the club going forward. I have a season ticket. I attend 90% of away games. I've attended every home game for as long as I can remember. And I'm not John Fenty. I can, with my hand on heart, assure you that you couldn't be further from the truth. Oh and the showers do work now.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

All of this coming from someone who lives in Spain and doesn't attend games??

I'm not jabbing away at all!! And I do provide money to keep the club going forward. I have a season ticket. I attend 90% of away games. I've attended every home game for as long as I can remember. And I'm not John Fenty. I can, with my hand on heart, assure you that you couldn't be further from the truth. Oh and the showers do work now.

Watch every game in Spain. I'm not wrong with that list though am I?

No, maybe not, but you can't truthfully tell me that you don't know him very closely or personally. I know that now for sure..

Quoted from Bigdog

Watch every game in Spain. I'm not wrong with that list though am I?

No, maybe not, but you can't truthfully tell me that you don't know him very closely or personally. I know that now for sure..

I doubt it. Anyway, I don't live my life on here or feel the need to find out who is who on here. I'm not really all that fussed who's who. I just want GTFC to play their hearts out with pride and passion and push us as far as we can realistically go.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

I doubt it. Anyway, I don't live my life on here or feel the need to find out who is who on here. I'm not really all that fussed who's who. I just want GTFC to play their hearts out with pride and passion and push us as far as we can realistically go.

The fact that the last question wasn’t answered says it all for me.

Quoted from scott_gtfc_89

The fact that the last question wasn’t answered says it all for me.

What does it matter??

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

I doubt it. Anyway, I don't live my life on here or feel the need to find out who is who on here. I'm not really all that fussed who's who. I just want GTFC to play their hearts out with pride and passion and push us as far as we can realistically go.

You're a bullshittter who knows exactly who I am and you shouldn't and I'm peed off about that. Only JF should know my identity on here because out of respect for transparency he's the only one I've told in confidence in a PM. And as I only upload less than two posts a day I hardly live my life on here but any chance you can take to be condescending you'll always take it I guess. Anyway, shouldn't the club be pleased if there were ten times the amount of fans posting and caring about the club on here every day? Surely that would be better than less? You're an idiot that's got rumbled and the club and its associates should be using this forum as a source of feedback, not picking fights with its paying customers or trying to dilute their opinions..

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

What does it matter??

It doesn’t, but anyone can see that the club is struggling at the minute, a lot is more wrong than right, JF am sure only had the best interest for the club in mind despite how it might come across but to progress we need changes whatever they be, we are falling behind to most clubs behind around us, if it wasn’t for M.J we would be back in non league, we need investment badly on and off the pitch.

Bigdogs list is spot on to the penny

But what’s done is done though I guess.

I’d happily start will proper investment in a proven striker on a long term contract, only the board can make it happen.

I'm not a great fan of JSF but at the end of the day he's a town fan and one of very few who put their hands in their pockets when we were in big trouble. I think he deserves some respect as a minimum. Having said that we are entitled to ask the difficult questions courteously.
The only way I can see it not becoming an argument is by submission of questions in advance so the trust can pick the most popular questions. That way they can also filter out questions about what coffee is sold, why didn't he sack Slade earlier and other irrelevant issues.

Quoted from Bigdog

Inward investment zero
Progress on the new stadium zero
Extreme
Current stadium facilities poor
Current stadium upkeep poor
PR poor
Season ticket marketing poor
Outdated ticketing system
Self Select scheme poor take up
Stagnant home attendances
Falling away support
Failure to engage with exile support
Not actively searching for new investment
Hit and miss customer service
Low end League Two playing budget
Poor relationship with fanbase
Shut up
Fans are bullies Checkatrade
Slagging off the Trust
Bullying Matt Dean
FGR pitch row
Bragate
SLO
OP worst thing that's happened to the club
Backing Slade
Failure to build on positivity
Poorly worded statements and social media posts
Showers not working in changing rooms for years
Not enough toilet facilities for fans
Port Vale fiasco

Well if that's being well run behind the scenes!! A football club is much more than balancing accounts and allocating income. Look at that list of shortcomings and errors. And by a detail in your post I now know that you are indeed very close to JF if not JF himself, I'm flabbergasted if you think that the club is being well run behind the scenes and it underlines by you saying this that the club are sitting on its laurels, patting themselves on the back and haven't the werewithal to push our club forward. A total unacceptance, understanding or personal responsibility of what is needed for a football club in the 21st century, just bimbling along in personal comfort zones. I'm just a fan that is desperate for the club to take a step forward and by being associated with the club in some way, you should be ashamed at coming on a fan's forum and jabbing away at the people who are the ones that are providing the money to keep the club going..

I'm far less concerned about what's going on on the pitch rather than off it, even after the last four games. In fact we're nearly at the highest point in the football pyramid in all of the eighteen years of JF's tenure, which is a shocking fact in itself..

Pathetic.

Three quarters of those could be applied to any team that belongs in the lower half of the fourth division

Quoted from buckstown

I'm not a great fan of JSF but at the end of the day he's a town fan and one of very few who put their hands in their pockets when we were in big trouble. I think he deserves some respect as a minimum. Having said that we are entitled to ask the difficult questions courteously.
The only way I can see it not becoming an argument is by submission of questions in advance so the trust can pick the most popular questions. That way they can also filter out questions about what coffee is sold, why didn't he sack Slade earlier and other irrelevant issues.

Because slade is one of his best friends, that in the end from results and pressure had no choice

Quoted from Ipswin

Pathetic.

Three quarters of those could be applied to any team that belongs in the lower half of the fourth division

..belongs in the lower half of the fourth division.....wow. Under JF our once proud Div 1/Championship club now BELONG in the lower half of the fourth division..

Quoted from RoboCod

..belongs in the lower half of the fourth division.....wow. Under JF our once proud Div 1/Championship club now BELONG in the lower half of the fourth division..

Don't do it...!!.. you're responding to someone who's car has a dynamo and a cranking handle sticking out the front.....in the words of the fast show..
"I remember when it was all fields round here"...😂😂

Quoted from Bigdog

You're a bullshittter who knows exactly who I am and you shouldn't and I'm peed off about that. Only JF should know my identity on here because out of respect for transparency he's the only one I told him in confidence in a PM. And as I only upload less than two posts a day I hardly live my life on here but any chance you can take to be condescending you'll always take it I guess. Anyway, shouldn't the club be pleased if there were ten times the amount of fans posting and caring about the club on here every day? Surely that would be better than less? You're an idiot that's got rumbled and the club and its associates should be using this forum as a source of feedback, not picking fights with its paying customers or trying to dilute their opinions..

Wow, someones got his undies in a twist   >:( >:( I have no idea who you are!!! And after that little outburst I'm pleased I don't know you.

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Don't do it...!!.. you're responding to someone who's car has a dynamo and a cranking handle sticking out the front.....in the words of the fast show..
"I remember when it was all fields round here"...😂😂

;D Funny you should say that, I always envisioned him as Billy Bleach, sorting things out down the local ::)

Quoted from RoboCod

;D Funny you should say that, I always envisioned him as Billy Bleach, sorting things out down the local ::)

For some reason I always get the image of Roy Cropper in my mind when he posts..

Seems to me whomever suggested this idea of a fans night with JF is either under orders from above, come up with a really bad idea or wants to create a bit of fuss/agenda to talk about.

Absolutely nothing is gained from these events, supporters don’t get told what they want to hear, questions that they want to be answered are deflected, the clubs heirachy take umbrage at fan engagement, then there’s animosity/division exaggerated even more and the only thing positive gained from the night is more social media interaction.

Had a period of hearing nothing from the board until just before Christmas. Seemed to be better for all parties that way. On and off pitch.

Only time need to hear from the board is either new board member, chairman, relocation, personnel change or selling up.

Quoted from RoboCod

..belongs in the lower half of the fourth division.....wow. Under JF our once proud Div 1/Championship club now BELONG in the lower half of the fourth division..

We do!

Face it and the sooner you do the better. Forget the two cup semi finals and the 5th place in the first division, (that's the sort of thing I am usually accused of - see above) forget our long and 'wonderful' history and how we are Lincolnshire's best club.

Times have moved on, there is no multi million Middle Eastern conglomerate just a local self made millionaire who has already done his bit by simply keeping the club in existence.

We are where we belong, with a number of other proud historic clubs, hanging on in the middle of Div 4 with a bunch of journeymen players and a wet behind the ears manager, be thankful for that York Stockport et al would be happy to

What's the point?

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

What's the point?

I don't know about everyone else but my point is that the list of 'Fenty's faults' is ridiculous and probably three quarters of fellow Div 4 strugglers would list the same problems

I would like Fenty to go too (whether all, or even any, of the list would be resolved remains to be seen, the toilets might improve but we ain't going to the Premiership but then most folk on here hate the Premier league clubs anyway, allegedly) but the sale of the club must be to the right people and I rely on Fenty as a genuine fan to ensure this happens and until then its a case of be careful what you wish for

Quoted from marinerjase

Absolutely nothing is gained from these events, supporters don’t get told what they want to hear, questions that they want to be answered are deflected, the clubs heirachy take umbrage at fan engagement, then there’s animosity/division exaggerated even more and the only thing positive gained from the night is more social media interaction.

There’s no reason why this kind of event can’t pass without major incident if managed properly, they don’t all turn into a slanging match as per the last one.

Half the problem in the past is with time being wasted asking the directors questions the manager should be answering & Fenty being allowed to ramble on about the standard crap.

If people really have questions they want answers to, you’ll not get a better chance than this.

Let’s sell this as Pay per View! Millions will watch the shambles unfold online and we’ll have enough for a new stadium. Please get Matt Dean in the audience too....

Only one question really ' John is the repayment of the Director's loan impacting on the playing budget?'

It's hard to get away from the feeling that it's a pointless exercise. The guy won't answer any meaningful questions. He never does*. Lots of time was wasted in the last one by Fenty and Slade picking on Matt Dean.

Corretion, never answers without obfuscation.

Am I missing something I thought the loans were benign ?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

It's hard to get away from the feeling that it's a pointless exercise. The guy won't answer any meaningful questions. He never does*. Lots of time was wasted in the last one by Fenty and Slade picking on Matt Dean.

Corretion, never answers without obfuscation.

Must admit I had to Google it but then I did fail my 11 plus   :)

(Obfuscation........the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.)

All the ‘red cross’ friends of Fenty army are back in full force on the magnificent Fishy

Foot in mouth night it is then

Quoted from Bigdog

Is the open evening going to start off with a half hour Powerpoint presentation from JF outlining his fully costed masterplan for the future of GTFC? Surely it can't be too much to ask after eighteen years to get his act together? Or is he going to turn up with a list of excuses explaining how the job of bringing the club into the 21st century is way beyond his means and talents? Leave no stone unturned until new investors or a fully costed stadium plan with an opening date are announced John, everything else is just hot air and fruitless frittering around the edges of stagnation..

I thought the Powerpoint exercise was Slades' sphere of expertise.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Put your questions to the trust again and maybe just maybe one or 2 may get answered. Bring some of your business accumen to the table!! I'm not chastising nor making assumptions. I'm simply voicing my opinions like many others including yourself,  just because I'm not on the Fenty out bandwagon doesn't mean I don't care about the club or the future of it.

I think you are relatively new on here so you don't understand the general attitude and rules towards JF. If you are not against him then you must be for him. There is no neutral ground on this subject!

Quoted from chrissy

Am I missing something I thought the loans were benign ?

Benign in whose eyes,though.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Benign in whose eyes,though.

I think the term Benign in JF terms is that the loan would not be called in by him unless the club has the funds to pay them back either that be in small amounts ot the whole lump sum in one go.
I think he has put this in place after a previous director threatened to put the club in to administration if they did not get their £700k+ back which now makes up some of JF's loans

Quoted from rancido

I think you are relatively new on here so you don't understand the general attitude and rules towards JF. If you are not against him then you must be for him. There is no neutral ground on this subject!

I think you may be right!!

Big difference between having the funds to pay them back,and having the funds to pay them back and impacting on the playing budget.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Big difference between having the funds to pay them back,and having the funds to pay them back and impacting on the playing budget.

Correct but there is no evidence to say  that the manager has not had a competitive budget, Look at Nots county who report-ably had one of the biggest budgets in the league and where they are now
I am sure MJ would have hinted something  if he had no money to bring players in at the start of the season, The likes of Hes, Cook and Welsh will not have been cheap and we have paid fees for a few players this season I am led to believe.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

Correct but there is no evidence to say  that the manager has not had a competitive budget, Look at Nots county who report-ably had one of the biggest budgets in the league and where they are now
I am sure MJ would have hinted something  if he had no money to bring players in at the start of the season, The likes of Hes, Cook and Welsh will not have been cheap and we have paid fees for a few players this season I am led to believe.

And two of them have hardly played

Quoted from MuddyWaters

And two of them have hardly played

Well that's not down to Fenty surely. Jolley's fault for once perhaps

Quoted from Ipswin

Well that's not down to Fenty surely. Jolley's fault for once perhaps

Agree!

It does not matter how big the purse is  its how you spend it

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

All of this coming from someone who lives in Spain and doesn't attend games??
I'm not jabbing away at all!! And I do provide money to keep the club going forward. I have a season ticket. I attend 90% of away games. I've attended every home game for as long as I can remember. And I'm not John Fenty. I can, with my hand on heart, assure you that you couldn't be further from the truth. Oh and the showers do work now.

So out of that full list the showers work!!! ;D
That just about sums up how blinkered the members of Team Fenty are.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Must admit I had to Google it but then I did fail my 11 plus   :)

(Obfuscation........the action of making something obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.)

So I didn't mean to obfuscate.  ;D

Quoted from Ipswin

We do!

Face it and the sooner you do the better. Forget the two cup semi finals and the 5th place in the first division, (that's the sort of thing I am usually accused of - see above) forget our long and 'wonderful' history and how we are Lincolnshire's best club.

Times have moved on, there is no multi million Middle Eastern conglomerate just a local self made millionaire who has already done his bit by simply keeping the club in existence.

We are where we belong, with a number of other proud historic clubs, hanging on in the middle of Div 4 with a bunch of journeymen players and a wet behind the ears manager, be thankful for that York Stockport et al would be happy to

Since Mr Fenty took over as chairman in July 2004, we’ve only finished top half in the Football League once. The way you excuse this is bewildering, there’s plenty of clubs like ours that would find that inexcusable.

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

I think the term Benign in JF terms is that the loan would not be called in by him unless the club has the funds to pay them back either that be in small amounts ot the whole lump sum in one go.
I think he has put this in place after a previous director threatened to put the club in to administration if they did not get their £700k+ back which now makes up some of JF's loans

Hmmm. I seem to remember a director threatening to withdraw his financial guarantees if he didn't get given 1/4 million shares that another director had recently bought as part of a £1/2m investment instead of lending the club the money.

So having climbed to the moral high ground, he flung himself off.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Hmmm. I seem to remember a director threatening to withdraw his financial guarantees if he didn't get given 1/4 million shares that another director had recently bought as part of a £1/2m investment instead of lending the club the money.

So having climbed to the moral high ground, he flung himself off.

Some people have quite selective memories

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Some people have quite selective memories

Something you have never had lol

Quoted from Rob_in_Grimsby

Something you have never had lol

When my memory goes, there’ll still be Google

I don't understand why anybody is going to attend this event. This man and his chosen few, have taken our club into non league and nearly took us back there last season. He hasn't invested money into the club for many a season now. In fact he has been taking money out of the club to pay back his supposedly benign loan when the team needs it to progress to the next level.
If there was ever a time to boycott, without it affecting the money going into the club, this is it. We all know it will be the same old questions and answers.
Don't let his narcissistic personality have the limelight.

I’ll give him some credit for fronting it out , guess by now his skin must be quite thick .. there are worse people to have at the head of your club , and there are better .. think we just need some modernisation ... in strategies , attitudes .. too to bottom ... by no means an easy task though . I wouldn’t swap places with him ! UTM

Quoted from goldenfish

I’ll give him some credit for fronting it out , guess by now his skin must be quite thick .. there are worse people to have at the head of your club , and there are better .. think we just need some modernisation ... in strategies , attitudes .. too to bottom ... by no means an easy task though . I wouldn’t swap places with him ! UTM

There are worse people to have at the head of your club? He has the worst record in the club’s history - how do you get worse?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There are worse people to have at the head of your club? He has the worst record in the club’s history - how do you get worse?

Chesterfield...

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I want inviting for a straightener ;D it`s alright being a keyboard warrior but whatever Fenty`s faults one of them is not hiding away. I enjoy his quiet periods it means were doing well then he issues a statement it signifies turbulent water ahead. I would hope for a lot of dialouge and some heavy questioning in relation to the new ground and his vision for taking the football club forward or his exit strategy . I have found you can ask him a question and he will answer but if it`s something he doesn`t want to answer he answers like a politician that`s not a criticism by the way it`s just what happens. I would urge people to attend in numbers and be respectful but get the point across we care and we want progress for GTFC .Good on him for agreeing to it he doesn`t have to.

I think this is one of the most pertinent questions as reading his recent comments this appeared to me to be one of the reasons that those prospective investors were turned down.  

Quoted from TAGG

So out of that full list the showers work!!! ;D
That just about sums up how blinkered the members of Team Fenty are.

It was a tongue in cheek remark. I'm not going to bite and respond to what he wrote. I can't be bothered. I'm not into keyboard arguments like most on here. It seems you can't be neutral and you're only right if you despise JF. Worse than being in a playground being on here sometimes.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

It was a tongue in cheek remark. I'm not going to bite and respond to what he wrote. I can't be bothered. I'm not into keyboard arguments like most on here. It seems you can't be neutral and you're only right if you despise JF. Worse than being in a playground being on here sometimes.

It is nothing to do with despising JF. The man has been the worst chairman/director the club has ever known. To make matters worse he wants his money back for his failures.

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

It was a tongue in cheek remark. I'm not going to bite and respond to what he wrote. I can't be bothered. I'm not into keyboard arguments like most on here. It seems you can't be neutral and you're only right if you despise JF. Worse than being in a playground being on here sometimes.

You seemed pretty keen debating the issue with BigDog. Backing off now he's winning?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

You seemed pretty keen debating the issue with BigDog. Backing off now he's winning?

Hahaha backing off. It's an internet forum. Grow up 😂 unlike some I don't take offence to the sh1t said on here. Laughable!!! 😂😂

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

It was a tongue in cheek remark. I'm not going to bite and respond to what he wrote. I can't be bothered. I'm not into keyboard arguments like most on here. It seems you can't be neutral and you're only right if you despise JF. Worse than being in a playground being on here sometimes.

You came into this playground voluntarily. You can always leave if the truth is a bit much for you.

Quoted from Civvy at last

You came into this playground voluntarily. You can always leave if the truth is a bit much for you.

😂 TTFN

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

Hahaha backing off. It's an internet forum. Grow up 😂 unlike some I don't take offence to the sh1t said on here. Laughable!!! 😂😂

Yes. It's an internet forum on which you were debating with BigDog. He was winning the debate by making better points, so now you're backing off (pretending you don't get involved in arguments).

Notice I didn't say you took offence. So why did you say 'I don't take offence to the sh1t said on here'? Aren't you being a little over defensive?!

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Yes. It's an internet forum on which you were debating with BigDog. He was winning the debate by making better points, so now you're backing off (pretending you don't get involved in arguments).

Notice I didn't say you took offence. So why did you say 'I don't take offence to the sh1t said on here'? Aren't you being a little over defensive?!

Not in the slightest dear friend. Signing off now. Good night to all!

"Very well run behind the scenes" -I nearly choked on my tea!

A 10 page spat before the Open evening on 19th Feb this is going to be epic......... :-/

If Mr Fenty is prepared to sit and take questions we should ask him questions that mean something if he then fails to answer or attempt to spin them he can be taken to task . The MT who have put this on are there to represent the fanbase whilst also being a buffer to the board they can also be taken to task like it or not they suffer from guilt by association.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There are worse people to have at the head of your club? He has the worst record in the club’s history - how do you get worse?

Stockport, York, Chester, Darlington, Hereford, Torquay, Hartlepool

The question I want answered is how much have the benign loans reduced by in the last 2 years? I saw there were repayments to directors in the accounts released a while ago, what are the liabilities stood at right now and what is the level they are going to be at at the end of this FY? If there is a difference in those figures, why has that figure not been invested into the playing squad, as clearly we are short on both numbers and quality.

More importantly who decides when, and how much of the Directors loans are paid back?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Hmmm. I seem to remember a director threatening to withdraw his financial guarantees if he didn't get given 1/4 million shares that another director had recently bought as part of a £1/2m investment instead of lending the club the money.

So having climbed to the moral high ground, he flung himself off.

Is this a categorical fact?

Quoted from rancido

Is this a categorical fact?

That is how I understood it after listening to Mike Parker on Radio Humberside.

Quoted from Mikey_345

Chesterfield...

Not sure you can quote them just yet they are only in their first season in the National League, we spent 6 years there. :-/

Quoted from Ipswin

Stockport, York, Chester, Darlington, Hereford, Torquay, Hartlepool

Bournemouth
Watford
Fulham
Cardiff
Huddersfield
Bristol City
Hull City
Swansea
Brentford
Preston
Wigan
Rotherham
Reading
Barnsley
Peterborough
Doncaster
Fleetwood
Blackpool
Southend
Wycombe
Burton
Accrington
Walsall
Scunthorpe
Plymouth
Shrewsbury
Gillingham
Oxford
Rochdale
Bristol Rovers
Bradford
AFC Wimbledon

And just for balance.. a list of clubs currently above League Two that were of similar or lesser size (2k home attendance either way) to us 20/30 years back that "football fortune" has been kinder to over the years, let alone the list of larger clubs that we were consistently standing shoulder to shoulder with..

Accept where we are and who we are now, but on balance "football fortune" hasn't favoured us at all..

Quoted from Ipswin

Stockport, York, Chester, Darlington, Hereford, Torquay, Hartlepool

Hartlepool will be going mammaries up in the next 12 months. Watch this space.

Quoted from Bigdog

And just for balance.. a list of clubs currently above League Two that were of similar or lesser size (2k home attendance either way) to us 20/30 years back that "football fortune" has been kinder to over the years, let alone the list of larger clubs that we were consistently standing shoulder to shoulder with..

Accept where we are and who we are now, but on balance "football fortune" hasn't favoured us at all..

With reference to your latest lengthy list (I have deleted rather than copying it in my reply as, like your 'points against Fenty' list earlier, it goes on forever)

You are not allowed to make any mention of where clubs were '20/30 years back' on this forum, in fact I am constantly getting a bollocking for references to football past

I don't deny for a moment that 'football fortune' in the shape of luck (we used all that up under Buckley) hasn't favoured us but luck isn't Fenty's fault in fact it's the only item you didn't put on your list of his errors.

We are a mid Div 4 table whose immediate thought on opening day in August each year is getting enough points to avoid relegation, its where we are, its where we deserve to be and probably where we belong, the days of competing above our weight are over whoever is in the (non) chair

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Hartlepool will be going mammaries up in the next 12 months. Watch this space.

Fenty's fault no doubt?

Quoted from rancido

Is this a categorical fact?

It is certainly my understanding of the facts. In the deal with Fenty to make an additional investment in the club, Parker bought £1/2m worth of shares and Fenty loaned the club about the same amount. This then led to Parker having a controlling interest in the club and Fenty pointing out that under the company's articles of association, anyone who wishes to buy over 50% of the shares in the club has to offer to buy out the other shareholders since their shares. Fenty wasn't prepared to convert his loan to equity and Parker said he wasn't in a position to/prepared to buy out other shareholders, so Parker gifted the shares to the Trust. Fenty then claimed that 'control would then reside outside the boardroom' and said unless control was returned to the boardroom he would no longer provide his guarantee that any operating losses would be met. The Trust (following a vote by members to accept the deal the Trust negotiated with Fenty) agreed to give him £250,000 worth of shares in return for Fenty's continued guarantees.

So yes, Parker gave the club money in effect by buying shares, Fenty loaned the club money. Then the Trust subsidised Fenty's control by giving him some shares.

If it isn't a categorical fact someone would surely help me getmyfactsright!

are there still unallocated shares that the Trust could buy, via a crowdfunding exercise? Would help the club and give the trust a bit more leverage

I see little point in this P.R. exercise, unless:-

1.  The Trust/ Club are showcasing some meaningful initiative, consultation or powershift in the future control
      of the club.
2.  There are significant developments towards a new stadium.
3.  Someone has discovered a financial sinkhole and we are doomed. Or
4.  We are merging with Cleethorpes Town.

Anything else has the potential for toe curling PC nicey niceyness or damaging mudslinging.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Not sure you can quote them just yet they are only in their first season in the National League, we spent 6 years there. :-/

Well they're not going back any time soon

Quoted from Croxton

I see little point in this P.R. exercise, unless:-

1.  The Trust/ Club are showcasing some meaningful initiative, consultation or powershift in the future control
      of the club.
2.  There are significant developments towards a new stadium.
3.  Someone has discovered a financial sinkhole and we are doomed. Or
4.  We are merging with Cleethorpes Town.

Anything else has the potential for toe curling PC nicey niceyness or damaging mudslinging.

Well it sure as hell won't be 1&2

3 is very possible

and 4 might be the answer to all our problems

nearly all of these events have proved of little value IMO....you get the odd snippett of backroom information but you get too many pointless questions which JF or the manager will happily answer with an honest open response but any of the burning questions or hot topics are closed out in true politician style of waffle and telling you lots of other things you werent interested in.

There really should only be a few questions/ topics on the agenda to keep it focussed ;

1. Potential buyers - is there a minimum set of requirements agreed by the board that would guarantee a sale ? If so do they include repaying the benign debt ?
2. New Ground - are the board in current constructive discussions with the local council regards a new stadium or is the club intent on seeking their own scheme with as yet unfound enabling partners ?
3. As virtually every single statement released about the potential of the PP site have not been delivered on, then is it time to admit it was ill thought and ill advised ?

Quoted from AndyDarloFC

Hartlepool will be going mammaries up in the next 12 months. Watch this space.

Wouldn't surprise me. I went to watch them last weekend at Harrogate and they were absolutely bl00dy awful. Really poor in every respect. They were easily beaten by a competent Harrogate team.