Paul hurst sacked

According to sky sports PH has just been sacked by Ipswich.

Quoted from buckstown

According to sky sports PH has just been sacked by Ipswich.

Beat you to it lol

Shame really, you wouldn't wish the sack on anybody in any job. Guess he'll have a relaxing Xmas and be back at work in January

I wonder if deputy Doig knows anything about it yet !!

Quoted from buckstown

Shame really, you wouldn't wish the sack on anybody in any job. Guess he'll have a relaxing Xmas and be back at work in January

might not even be that long. can't imagine bradford will stick with david hopkin for too long.perfect job for him

Quoted from promotion plaice

I wonder if deputy Doig knows anything about it yet !!

Doig's doing the press conference  ;) ;)

Hmmm thoughts on the Cowley brothers going there ?

Would hopefully throw a spanner in the gimps cog if they did 😊

Quoted from forza ivano

might not even be that long. can't imagine bradford will stick with david hopkin for too long.perfect job for him

Oh well, Hurst took the worthy risk with Ipswich and it backfired.  Considering his latter seasons with Grimsby Town (play-off promotion) and then Shrewsbury Town (great escape and play-off final place), I'm sure another bigger League One club will take him on, Bradford City would be a good job for him with great potential, plus Hurst is a Yorky born and bred, he can go back to his backyard lol.

They should’ve waited 6 years for him to come good.

Always thought it was too much too soon. He'll learn from it. But as good as Toto and Nolan are, I never thought they were championship players.  

Those Tractor Boys were well spoiled 😂😂😂

Bry Klug taking over again. Fantastic player in his day 👍🏻

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Doig's doing the press conference  ;) ;)

Unlikely. He's also left the club

Fair play to him. He gave it a go, he earned the right to manage in that league with what he did at Shrewsbury last season.
He’ll find work again in the near future with Toto and Nolan joining him on loan.  

Cowley’s to Ipswich is the rumour now!

Hurst and Doig on three-year contracts at Ipswich Town, ouch! I wonder how much that will cost Ipswich, I thought they were totally skint?

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

Hurst and Doig on three-year contracts at Ipswich Town, ouch! I wonder how much that will cost Ipswich, I thought they were totally skint?

They'll be even skinter now !!

Some messages from dis and gowling on twitter. Show they hold him in high regard

The downside of offering a three year  contract  - big pay out from the club when things go wrong !

You'd imagine the contracts would include some sort of clause where there would be a limited pay-off if results have been below a certain standard.

Was it a case of too much, too soon (or too far) for Hurst, or were Ipswich just trying to do things on the cheap? I see they've sold their top scorers from last season and most of their strikers are inexperienced at that level.

I think the modern way is to pay until they get new jobs. There's no way he'll want to be sitting around for over 2 years.
Their forum indicates they do everything on the cheap so doubt the Cowleys will be heading that way

Stubbornness only gets you so far I guess, and that’s not the championship.

Quoted from forza ivano

might not even be that long. can't imagine bradford will stick with david hopkin for too long.perfect job for him

It's more likely Hopkin will resign. Bradford City are in a shocking state with a terrible owner so Hopkin might want to get out before much damage is done to his reputation. He did a very good job at Livingston so his stock will still be quite high.
I don't imagine they'd consider Hurst but he'd be well advised to avoid Valley Parade or do further damage to his career.

Not nice to see anyone lose their job.

But, I for one will put my hands up and say I cannot stand the bloke and I don’t think it’s something I’ve ever put on record on here.

When town got promoted, obviously it was the first success since 1997/1998. For a generation of fans (myself included) that meant we saw absolutely no success during our lifetime to that point.  The overwhelming sense of desperation to see any sort of anything other than town plummet from one division to the next was immense. OK, granted we had the 05/06 season but that’s another story of misery for another time.

The day at Wembley was one of the best days of my life. Yet even still, when cupped his ears it left an awfully bitter taste in my mouth.

How dare he ? How dare he try and take the limelight from a day that I’d waited my entire life to date for ?

Regardless of what had been said before, why couldn’t he just be happy and enjoy the moment. If nothing else - let the fans enjoy their moment. We’d waited so many years of just pure dross for this and regardless of absolutely anything, we indirectly paid his wages for 6 years of those. Why couldn’t he have just let it slide for another time ?

I’ve been called petty on numerous occasions for feeling that way and “oh yeah, but it wasn’t aimed directly at you” however that feeling will always be in my stomach about the bloke.

He'll be back at Shrewsbury before long

Never understand the amimosity directed at Paul Hurst. A friendly, pleasant & driven guy.

Good honest opinion Bradz my only gripe with Hurst was I think he thought "operation promotion" placed to much pressure on himself and the players to gain promotion. Maybe the expectation was high but we all wanted the same thing at the end of the day

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Paul hurst sacked

GOOD

Quoted from crusty ole pie

Paul hurst sacked

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Couldn't happen to a nicer fella. Just disappointed I never bumped into him in town so I could return the ear cupping

Really enjoying the 'I told you so' moment with two of my mates who are ST holders at Portman Road, just sorry the little sh!t didn't stay until they were relegated

Personally I didn't know he'd 'cupped his ears' for another 2 weeks after we'd been promoted!

He's not a bad manager and doesn't seem too bad a bloke but he's the type who won't take advice from anybody-a bit "pig headed" is putting it kindly.He was told what to do by many a few on here.Sorry he got sacked but you take your chances

I think it’s easy for us older posters to confuse Ipswich of old with the modern day set up.  In the last few years they have really fell off the pace when compared to most of “Premiership 2”

No real money, and crowds sub 15k on many occasions

My postman will have a spring in his step tomorrow morning.

Someone appears to have wiped the ticks and crosses scores when the threads were merged.....is this weeks "Post of the Week" now null and void?     ;D ;D 8)

Spoilt !!!

Quoted from bradzmilne

Not nice to see anyone lose their job.

But, I for one will put my hands up and say I cannot stand the bloke and I don’t think it’s something I’ve ever put on record on here.

When town got promoted, obviously it was the first success since 1997/1998. For a generation of fans (myself included) that meant we saw absolutely no success during our lifetime to that point.  The overwhelming sense of desperation to see any sort of anything other than town plummet from one division to the next was immense. OK, granted we had the 05/06 season but that’s another story of misery for another time.

The day at Wembley was one of the best days of my life. Yet even still, when cupped his ears it left an awfully bitter taste in my mouth.

How dare he ? How dare he try and take the limelight from a day that I’d waited my entire life to date for ?

Regardless of what had been said before, why couldn’t he just be happy and enjoy the moment. If nothing else - let the fans enjoy their moment. We’d waited so many years of just pure dross for this and regardless of absolutely anything, we indirectly paid his wages for 6 years of those. Why couldn’t he have just let it slide for another time ?

I’ve been called petty on numerous occasions for feeling that way and “oh yeah, but it wasn’t aimed directly at you” however that feeling will always be in my stomach about the bloke.

Do you know him personally? I doubt his first thought was to spoil your day. I'm sure he was enjoying the moment and just pushing back at some of the unwarranted bile, abuse and hate he received at BP & places like Halifax that season. I'd move on life's to short & you're a long time dead.

The broadcast media have taken him pieces this week Matt Holland, Alan Brazil and Adrian Durham have all destroyed him at some point. I doubt he'll be out of work too long.

    

Cowleys to Ipswich and Hurst to Lincoln? Stranger things have happened.

Quoted from wigworld

Cowleys to Ipswich and Hurst to Lincoln? Stranger things have happened.

There's no way Ipswich are going to take on another no mark lower league manager. Paul Lambert 1/4 at the moment

Compared to Hurst, Jolley is potentially a far better manager. I base that on his willingness to learn from his mistakes and not being too stubborn to do something about it ...... plus he has tactical ability for one-off games and can get players to perform.

Quoted from Ipswin

There's no way Ipswich are going to take on another no mark lower league manager. Paul Lambert 1/4 at the moment

New manager expected to start in next 24 to 48 hours,

I was told Lambert a couple of weeks ago so I expect it will be him in charge at Millwall on Saturday

Quoted from lee65

I think it’s easy for us older posters to confuse Ipswich of old with the modern day set up.  In the last few years they have really fell off the pace when compared to most of “Premiership 2”

No real money, and crowds sub 15k on many occasions

Very true. Evans is apparently a real skinflint in the transfer market.

Having said that, Hurst was unwilling to do what Daniel Farke did up the road at Norwich and put some trust in some good young players from Bryan Klug's youth set up, preferring to sign players he knows and others of dubious ability.

Quoted from bradzmilne

Not nice to see anyone lose their job.

But, I for one will put my hands up and say I cannot stand the bloke and I don’t think it’s something I’ve ever put on record on here.

When town got promoted, obviously it was the first success since 1997/1998. For a generation of fans (myself included) that meant we saw absolutely no success during our lifetime to that point.  The overwhelming sense of desperation to see any sort of anything other than town plummet from one division to the next was immense. OK, granted we had the 05/06 season but that’s another story of misery for another time.

The day at Wembley was one of the best days of my life. Yet even still, when cupped his ears it left an awfully bitter taste in my mouth.

How dare he ? How dare he try and take the limelight from a day that I’d waited my entire life to date for ?

Regardless of what had been said before, why couldn’t he just be happy and enjoy the moment. If nothing else - let the fans enjoy their moment. We’d waited so many years of just pure dross for this and regardless of absolutely anything, we indirectly paid his wages for 6 years of those. Why couldn’t he have just let it slide for another time ?

I’ve been called petty on numerous occasions for feeling that way and “oh yeah, but it wasn’t aimed directly at you” however that feeling will always be in my stomach about the bloke.

That's right, mate, don't let anyone call you petty. You're a snowflake drama queen and bloody proud of it.

Couldn’t happen to a nicer bloke.

Did he spoil them or did he want six years again.!!

When he got his one win did he cup his ear.!!

Quoted from grimsby pete

New manager expected to start in next 24 to 48 hours,

I was told Lambert a couple of weeks ago so I expect it will be him in charge at Millwall on Saturday

Brian Klug for Saturday apparently although the new man will probably be there I guess

Never a good fit really....after Mick McCarthy whose approach and personality the fans really didnt like....unveil a mini version...dour & prickly personality, safe approach to games, a point is always a good point etc etc.

Short tenure wont harm his reputation that much so no doubt another League 1 appointment shortly somewhere further north.

Have met Paul Hurst and he is a perfectly pleasant chap
Competent to a degree, but that does not include Championship level.
All clubs in the Championship are potentially big hitters, some to the tune of multi millionaire.
I was at the game last night and Ipswich competed for most of the first half. Jayden Jackson is clearly out of his depth. Jon Nolan showed promise at times but not Championship standard. Toto not in squad.

It's about comparing running a corner shop with the local Asda. There is an increasing gap between the top 44 clubs and the rest, including GTFC.

Think we need to enjoy what we have whilst we have still got it. Think it won't be long before nobody clubs like Salford, Fylde, Milton Keynes, Forest Green and others leave us behind. They have the brass. We dont😀

I find some people's blinding dislike of Hurst a bit weird. Some fans are very fragile aren't they?

Decent manager probs should have stuck at Shrewsbury but hindsight is a wonderful thing.

I said it when he came in, slagging his predecessor off, and when he cupped his ear at Wembley. The guy has a lack of class so I’m not at all sorry to see him get the sack.

Some Grimsby supporters seem to love collecting fairly irrational grudges and polishing and nurturing them for years, even decades it would seem. I am not free of this phenomenon myself, I have stated on here before that I would never forgive Luton Town for being founder members of the Premier League, and as for that Bosman bloke.....

Paul Hurst tried to step up a level and it was a step too far, doesn't make him a bad manager or a bad person.

Should think he'll get another job in League 1 / League 2 before long.

That's his level though I think, for his style of management. Didn't appear to adapt to the higher level he was now managing at, with different playing styles, better quality, different personalities no doubt, and different expectations.

People talk about the Cowley's making a step up to that sort of level. I don't think their style would bring them success at Championship level. But obviously no-one knows until they make the step up whether they'd change their style to suit where they were at, or stick to what they've done at lower levels like Hurst.

Great news the pig headed sharp object is not the football messiah that he seems to think he is. A good fall was long overdue and  will probably do him some good.

For all his faults, I liked Paul Hurst when he was here, was disappointed when he left and feel we’ve been, for the most part, a poorer side since he left.

However, from the outside looking in I felt he made some very naive decisions in terms of recruitment. Toto, Nolan and Jackson have clearly improved since they left us but to the point were they were capable of replacing a Championship club’s best players (such as Waghorn who went for FIVE million no less)? No chance.

I’m sure he’d do things differently if he had his tone again. Still, I’m sure he’s now a wealthy man and will find himself a decent league one club in the near future. No need for any violins in the Hurst household this evening.

Don't care he's history , no longer relivent .

Some of the bile towards Hurst on this thread is hilarious. He might have better things to be doing right now but I'd love if he has a browse later and thinks, "yes, I was right to cup my ears to those sad moaning girl privates. I should have given them the finger while I was at it"

Hurst will probably say Ipswitch fans have been spoilt lol.

If he does I wonder how long they'd all bang on about if for.

How many cliches can you get in one thread ..................

Many people post on here wondering why players and managers aren't interested in coming to GTFC, I think this thread explains everything you need to know about that.  

Must admit it was a shock to me when I realised what a negative impact posting offensive and insulting posts was having . Most my posts were a bit tounge in cheek but as I was told by an offended person that doesn't translate that well in print . A good rule is ... I you dare not say it in person don't say it at all

Rovrum will be the job he wants - he could well get it in the not to distant future

Quoted from fleabag1970

Must admit it was a shock to me when I realised what a negative impact posting offensive and insulting posts was having . Most my posts were a bit tounge in cheek but as I was told by an offended person that doesn't translate that well in print . A good rule is ... I you dare not say it in person don't say it at all

This

If you want to read the dislike for Paul Hurst then you should read the thread about his sacking on the Shrewsbury forum.  ;)

http://blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98181/hurst-sacked

Quoted from Mariner Timsky

Rovrum will be the job he wants - he could well get it in the not to distant future

Actually, it'll be Wednesday if he can. He is a Wednesdayite.

Yes please going to Wednesday,
Scunny, Hull or Lincoln

Quoted from Paris Mariner

Actually, it'll be Wednesday if he can. He is a Wednesdayite.

After 15 years playing for Rovrum naturally i'm assuming he would love to one day manage them

Quoted from Les Brechin

If you want to read the dislike for Paul Hurst then you should read the thread about his sacking on the Shrewsbury forum.  ;)

http://blueandamber.proboards.com/thread/98181/hurst-sacked

Very similar sort of split isn’t it? There were some on the Ipswich forums who thought he should have more time there but he did not have many supporters after last weekend.

I don’t know him personally but he has left a lot of fans at two clubs with a nasty taste as he left, which isn’t exactly clever. As they say, be nice to people on your way up because you never know when you might need them on your way down.

He left us and he left Shrewsbury because he knew the only way was down and neither club was ready to play at the next level. In effect he jumped before he could be pushed, only this time he has no safety net of achievements at Ipswich to fall back on when he applies for the next job.

As a manager he is distinctly average in my view. One of the Shrewsbury fans said how teams sussed them out later on during last season but he didn’t have a Plan B and he was always useless with subs wasn’t he?

Still I do not wish Hurst ill, he has to make a living in the game. I suspect he may have to do a bit of thinking about his ambitions now though because he will have to work his way up again ...... but there are quite a few clubs on tight budgets that will see Hurst as a good choice.

Quoted from Paris Mariner

Actually, it'll be Wednesday if he can. He is a Wednesdayite.

He's not going to get that any time soon though is he, even if it came up he wouldn't be considered. The pool of players he knows best don't operate well enough at Championship level for him to work there without a total rethink.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Very similar sort of split isn’t it? There were some on the Ipswich forums who thought he should have more time there but he did not have many supporters after last weekend.

I don’t know him personally but he has left a lot of fans at two clubs with a nasty taste as he left, which isn’t exactly clever. As they say, be nice to people on your way up because you never know when you might need them on your way down.

He left us and he left Shrewsbury because he knew the only way was down and neither club was ready to play at the next level. In effect he jumped before he could be pushed, only this time he has no safety net of achievements at Ipswich to fall back on when he applies for the next job.

As a manager he is distinctly average in my view. One of the Shrewsbury fans said how teams sussed them out later on during last season but he didn’t have a Plan B and he was always useless with subs wasn’t he?

Still I do not wish Hurst ill, he has to make a living in the game. I suspect he may have to do a bit of thinking about his ambitions now though because he will have to work his way up again ...... but there are quite a few clubs on tight budgets that will see Hurst as a good choice.

Not many ‘average’ managers go the first 8-10 years of their careers without the sack.
IMO average managers do not get the sort of buy in from his squad that Hurst got in our last season in the Conference. Every player was totally supportive of him, knowing the personalities of pro footballers that is a fantastic achievement!

Underrated by many ‘fans’ but not it seems by the players he works with

Quoted from Cloudy

Not many ‘average’ managers go the first 8-10 years of their careers without the sack.
IMO average managers do not get the sort of buy in from his squad that Hurst got in our last season in the Conference. Every player was totally supportive of him, knowing the personalities of pro footballers that is a fantastic achievement!

Underrated by many ‘fans’ but not it seems by the players he works with

That is a very simplistic way of looking at football achievements. Six years to get Grimsby out of the conference was ridiculous, and please don’t quote Luton, Oxford etc. This is Grimsby Town where he was manager and he needed pressure from outside with OP even then. Average at best. Not getting the sack is no yardstick of achieving success over that timescale.

I cannot ever remember a player mouthing off about a manager after he left Grimsby, even Bignot. And when you have the euphoria of promotion you are not going to say anything else but fantastic are you? But even if every player he managed thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, that is still no great measure of football management ability.

Hurst’s best asset is his realism and his caution. The latter is what he shows in his sides on the pitch, Rule One - any point is a good point even if we could have had three. His realism is in his own career. He recognised GTFC was not going to invest in what he wanted and there was a distinct danger of disillusion so he left. Shrewsbury was a great choice because it did not matter what happened. If they had been relegated no-one would blame him and the next year he would have a decent budget to get promotion. He saved them though so he was a messiah and then he got a good run of results with a group of players he knew plus some decent loan players. They were clear in the top two for much of the season before caution came in again and draws replaced wins. Funny thing is that if he lost here, Shrewsbury and Ipswich he publicly complained his team had not played a passing game and had reverted to the long ball.

Sorry to go on but though I bear him no animosity, Hurst is not a manager to excite the fans at any club. He Is a  DOJATL manager at best.

Some bile in this thread but nothing OTT for a footie forum.

In fairness he did well to get the Ipswich gig and there seems genuine upset amongst some of their fans that it didn't work out.  Good to see a young manager get a Championship job instead of recycled failures - same logic for Jolley getting our job.

V disappointed that Hurst never maintained a genuine title challenge for us in the NLP - the points gap with the leaders in our promotion season was embarrassing.  But for a needless challenge on Gowling in the Braintree box, Hurst could've presided over another play off failure.  Glad Jolley has turned the corner to avoid Fenty considering a Hurst recall...

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

That is a very simplistic way of looking at football achievements. Six years to get Grimsby out of the conference was ridiculous, and please don’t quote Luton, Oxford etc. This is Grimsby Town where he was manager and he needed pressure from outside with OP even then. Average at best. Not getting the sack is no yardstick of achieving success over that timescale.

I cannot ever remember a player mouthing off about a manager after he left Grimsby, even Bignot. And when you have the euphoria of promotion you are not going to say anything else but fantastic are you? But even if every player he managed thought he was the best thing since sliced bread, that is still no great measure of football management ability.

Hurst’s best asset is his realism and his caution. The latter is what he shows in his sides on the pitch, Rule One - any point is a good point even if we could have had three. His realism is in his own career. He recognised GTFC was not going to invest in what he wanted and there was a distinct danger of disillusion so he left. Shrewsbury was a great choice because it did not matter what happened. If they had been relegated no-one would blame him and the next year he would have a decent budget to get promotion. He saved them though so he was a messiah and then he got a good run of results with a group of players he knew plus some decent loan players. They were clear in the top two for much of the season before caution came in again and draws replaced wins. Funny thing is that if he lost here, Shrewsbury and Ipswich he publicly complained his team had not played a passing game and had reverted to the long ball.

Sorry to go on but though I bear him no animosity, Hurst is not a manager to excite the fans at any club. He Is a  DOJATL manager at best.

I’d hate to read your pompous posts if you did!!!

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Very similar sort of split isn’t it? There were some on the Ipswich forums who thought he should have more time there but he did not have many supporters after last weekend.

I don’t know him personally but he has left a lot of fans at two clubs with a nasty taste as he left, which isn’t exactly clever. As they say, be nice to people on your way up because you never know when you might need them on your way down.

He left us and he left Shrewsbury because he knew the only way was down and neither club was ready to play at the next level. In effect he jumped before he could be pushed, only this time he has no safety net of achievements at Ipswich to fall back on when he applies for the next job.

As a manager he is distinctly average in my view. One of the Shrewsbury fans said how teams sussed them out later on during last season but he didn’t have a Plan B and he was always useless with subs wasn’t he?

Still I do not wish Hurst ill, he has to make a living in the game. I suspect he may have to do a bit of thinking about his ambitions now though because he will have to work his way up again ...... but there are quite a few clubs on tight budgets that will see Hurst as a good choice.

I know it's on a much smaller scale, but if I remember correctly there were also a few Boston fans who weren't particularly pleased with the manner of his departure to Town

Quoted from Cloudy

Not many ‘average’ managers go the first 8-10 years of their careers without the sack.
IMO average managers do not get the sort of buy in from his squad that Hurst got in our last season in the Conference. Every player was totally supportive of him, knowing the personalities of pro footballers that is a fantastic achievement!

Underrated by many ‘fans’ but not it seems by the players he works with

Lets look at his record. most of those years were in non league,

His strengths were getting his players believing in him and the system he wanted to play,

His weaknesses were he could not connect with the fans,

Once he got to a level above his capabilities the players did not believe in him or his tactics,

He will be ok back in L2 or L1 but the championship was a step too far for him.

If you look at his interviews he was always chewing a wasp at Grimsby,

He had a big smile on his face at Shrewsbury,

He started off with a smile at Ipswich but reverted back to his Grimsby way towards the end,

I am sure like a lot of other managers at lower levels he will be in and out of work for a few years yet.

Maybe he should give Slade a ring and ask" what do you do while unemployed." ?

Dont fell sorry for him as he will be paid until he finds another job,

The good thing about having a 3 year contract is he will not have to take the first job on offer,

He can bide his time until the right postion becomes available.

He's a good manager, certainly not brilliant, but good.

Those complaining that he took so long to get us promoted shouldn't forget that we were being greatly outspent by a number of clubs during each of those years. Money talks more than anything else in football these days and you only need to see the revolving door at some of the high-spending Conference clubs to see how many other experienced managers struggle even with the funds to spend.

A better manager might have got us up a couple of seasons earlier (and we deserved it the season we lost the play-off final because of the referee), but you don't get many such managers at the lower levels of the game.

After us, he got Shrewsbury punching above their weight and mounted a promotion challenge but Ipswich was a step too far. League One is probably the level at which money just about stops being the be all and end all of building a team. The Championship is where money talks more than anywhere else but the Prem and Hurst obviously wasn't able to get the players needed to do the job there. Sounds as though they have been trying to do it on the cheap just a bit too much.

I don't doubt he'll be back in employment in one of the bottom two divisions before too long. My guess is with a League One struggler so you can see why Bradford have been mentioned. Pretty close to his neck of the woods and his record a Shrewsbury will attract the attention of any chairman with a struggling team.

I think league 1 is the highest he will go. Next job will no doubt be with one of the struggling teams at the bottom of the division - after what he did with the Shrews.

He was happy at Shrews because he delivered beyond their expectations, something he never really achieved with us, but when Ipswich came calling with a 3 year contract he wasn't exactly going to turn them down. Although he divided opinion with us, he still got us back into the League and for that we should be thankful, whether we liked his rather one-dimensional football or not.

Honestly Iam surprised at his sacking

Thought he would of lasted longer

Quoted from paulgtfc

Some bile in this thread but nothing OTT for a footie forum.

In fairness he did well to get the Ipswich gig and there seems genuine upset amongst some of their fans that it didn't work out.  Good to see a young manager get a Championship job instead of recycled failures - same logic for Jolley getting our job.

V disappointed that Hurst never maintained a genuine title challenge for us in the NLP - the points gap with the leaders in our promotion season was embarrassing.  But for a needless challenge on Gowling in the Braintree box, Hurst could've presided over another play off failure.  Glad Jolley has turned the corner to avoid Fenty considering a Hurst recall...

No way would Hurst have returned here but your point about trying an up and coming new man is a very valid one.

Who would have gambled that the Cowleys would have been so successful at Lincoln?

Not only have they been a success they have managed to attract full houses every home game and absolutely smash the imp season ticket sales. If that ain't good business what is??

I think you could see that the Cowleys would be likely to do well in the Conference at least. They almost managed to get Braintree to the play-off final so could obviously organise a team well. At Lincoln, they signed some decent players and, of course, the Cup run set them up well financially and attracted more money to the club so they've continued to spend.

Would they be able to continue this at a higher division club? Remains to be seen, though you'd think the referees higher up might be a bit more aware of or at least be willing to deal with the gamesmanship they instil into their teams.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

No way would Hurst have returned here but your point about trying an up and coming new man is a very valid one.

Who would have gambled that the Cowleys would have been so successful at Lincoln?

Not only have they been a success they have managed to attract full houses every home game and absolutely smash the imp season ticket sales. If that ain't good business what is??

I can see Lincolm doing well in L1 with the extra money they have generated,

I doubt they could be a success in the championship though because of the same reason Hurst failed.

Quoted from mirrorballman

Some of the bile towards Hurst on this thread is hilarious. He might have better things to be doing right now but I'd love if he has a browse later and thinks, "yes, I was right to cup my ears to those sad moaning girl privates. I should have given them the finger while I was at it"

I'll paraphrase you:

'Some people don't like Hurst because he cupped his ear to the people that kept turning up to pay his wages, so in retrospect he should have been even more insulting.'

I expect next you'll be saying he was only cupping his ear at some people who said nasty things about him. Ear cupping is well known as a precision-guided gesture and can seek out its intended target amongst a crowd of thousands.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I'll paraphrase you:

'Some people don't like Hurst because he cupped his ear to the people that kept turning up to pay his wages, so in retrospect he should have been even more insulting.'

I expect next you'll be saying he was only cupping his ear at some people who said nasty things about him. Ear cupping is well known as a precision-guided gesture and can seek out its intended target amongst a crowd of thousands.

Also the crowd behind the goal he did it to did nothing but support him and the team all game.

Plus a few months before that at Cambridge the fans sang Paul Hurst black and white army for at least 20 mins but got no response from him.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

No way would Hurst have returned here but your point about trying an up and coming new man is a very valid one.

Who would have gambled that the Cowleys would have been so successful at Lincoln?

Not only have they been a success they have managed to attract full houses every home game and absolutely smash the imp season ticket sales. If that ain't good business what is??

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have given the Cowley's a chance, they performed miracles at Braintree, considering they more than matched a much bigger team until some buffoon gave away a penalty.

If it hadn't been for that we could still be floundering in the National League and they could have been a Football League club instead of slipping down the Leagues.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I can't understand why anyone wouldn't have given the Cowley's a chance, they performed miracles at Braintree, considering they more than matched a much bigger team until some buffoon gave away a penalty.

If it hadn't been for that we could still be floundering in the National League and they could have been a Football League club instead of slipping down the Leagues.

Agree about the Cowleys. I think there might be a bit of 'oh they're at Lincoln so they're not that good really' creeping in.

They were very good non-League managers and League 2. It remains to be seen if they're successful higher up. With better budgets and players at their disposal they've already shown once they can do it. They have got the best out of their resources (admittedly with a fair dollop of gamesmanship). Doesn't mean they'll go further than League One mind.

Paul has lost his job just like any other manager would have done in his situation. Never mind its all part and parcel of the job he's in, he knows the risks and hes taken them, they haven't worked out. He's got a nice big wood of money and I'm sure a few clubs already asking for him to manage them. Regarding the Cowley's, they're clearly very good coaches. I used to follow them and like they way they went about their business at Braintree but since joining Lincoln and doing the couple of things they've done towards us and their style of play it's put me off them. I can't deny though that they can and no doubt will progress on move on up the leagues. Whether that's with Lincoln or someone else is yet to be seen.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Also the crowd behind the goal he did it to did nothing but support him and the team all game.

Plus a few months before that at Cambridge the fans sang Paul Hurst black and white army for at least 20 mins but got no response from him.

It must've been quite a few months as they'd been promoted 2 years previously ;)

Paul Lambert is the new Ipswich manager.

Plenty of interesting comments on various social media about hurst / Doig not many supportive of them tbh from Ipswich fans. It appears they’ve been using the good cop bad cop routine with doigy offering players out allegedly , personally thought it was a step to far but fully expect to see them back on the merry go round by Xmas

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Plenty of interesting comments on various social media about hurst / Doig not many supportive of them tbh from Ipswich fans. It appears they’ve been using the good cop bad cop routine with doigy offering players out allegedly , personally thought it was a step to far but fully expect to see them back on the merry go round by Xmas

Haha....Shorty and Shouty MkII  ;D

One of the main criticisms from Ipswich fans is that he kept making 5 or 6 changes per match and playing players out of position - square pegs in round holes
Seems strange if that is the case as I don’t remember either of those traits when he was our manager

A Shrewsbury fan said on the BBC site that Hurst would not be welcome back after the manner of his departure from Shrewsbury.  History repeating itself.

Another fan thanked Hurst for overpaying for Toto and Nolan:  “you buy div. 1 players, you get relegated”.

Ironically, both players nearly went up into the Championship with Shrewsbury.

Ipswich took a big gamble on Hurst who spent most of his time managing in NL.  What he achieved at Shrewsbury though was exceptional.  Div 1 is probably his level.  No shame in that.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

A Shrewsbury fan said on the BBC site that Hurst would not be welcome back after the manner of his departure from Shrewsbury.  History repeating itself.

Another fan thanked Hurst for overpaying for Toto and Nolan:  “you buy div. 1 players, you get relegated”.

Ironically, both players nearly went up into the Championship with Shrewsbury.

Ipswich took a big gamble on Hurst who spent most of his time managing in NL.  What he achieved at Shrewsbury though was exceptional.  Div 1 is probably his level.  No shame in that.

I think its more of a case of the right club as opposed to the right level....his not lose mentality will suit some clubs down to the ground, clubs looking to stabilise or clubs that are already playing above their level and looking to maintain it then he is your man, that could be L1 or Championship i think.... someone to hang your hat on to take you up the Leagues and get promotions....no.

Quoted from Abdul19

It must've been quite a few months as they'd been promoted 2 years previously ;)

Jan 2014   ---    May  2016

When you are in your 70's Abdul time goes so much quicker than when you were young. ;D

The the posts about our style of play are out it’s changed the ball is played out from the back.
Think we have 5 or 6 players left from last season,
The Cowleys don’t just use the same formula they evolve.
Everything has to evolve otherwise it goes backwards .
For example our trust was used as a social vehicle & was left to wither ,just been voted into it so I have to help them evolve & push forward,
Used to see how you all got your trust going and for me fan involvement is crucial.

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Plenty of interesting comments on various social media about hurst / Doig not many supportive of them tbh from Ipswich fans. It appears they’ve been using the good cop bad cop routine with doigy offering players out allegedly , personally thought it was a step to far but fully expect to see them back on the merry go round by Xmas

I think I’ve been reading the same stuff. Supposedly Ipswich would’ve kept Hurst if he’d agreed to work with a new assistant.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Lets look at his record. most of those years were in non league,

His strengths were getting his players believing in him and the system he wanted to play,

His weaknesses were he could not connect with the fans,

Once he got to a level above his capabilities the players did not believe in him or his tactics,

He will be ok back in L2 or L1 but the championship was a step too far for him.

If you look at his interviews he was always chewing a wasp at Grimsby,

He had a big smile on his face at Shrewsbury,

He started off with a smile at Ipswich but reverted back to his Grimsby way towards the end,

I am sure like a lot of other managers at lower levels he will be in and out of work for a few years yet.

Maybe he should give Slade a ring and ask" what do you do while unemployed." ?

Dont fell sorry for him as he will be paid until he finds another job,

The good thing about having a 3 year contract is he will not have to take the first job on offer,

He can bide his time until the right postion becomes available.

Managers still get sacked in non-league.
He had two promotions in non-league prior to coming to us ( admittedly with Shouty at his side) and that is a good grounding for an up and coming manager. He is often criticised for taking 6 years to get us back into the league but two of those were with Shouty at his side. Promotion from non-league National to FL2 is very difficult with only 1 automatic place available. Admittedly some teams have bounced straight back but others have struggled - Luton , with all their financial clout ( compared to ours ) , took a similar time to get back into the league.
As a manager for us , I thought he was ok and achieved ( albeit eventually ) what he was hired to do , and that was to get us back into the ootbal league. I think his elevation to Championship level was a step too far for him at this stage in his career and he would have done better to have stayed at Shrewsbury and got them promoted. The fact was that he had the chance to go to Ipswich and took it - who wouldn't ? He was managing a higher status clubat a higher level and I would assume on a decent financial package. People with ambition do this and if it all goes wrong , so what. If you don't try then you will never know what you can achieve. There is so much schadenfreude aimed at him which I don't understand.  I also think some of those posters would adopt a different attitude if they were sacked from their jobs and then  were subjected to the same posts we have seen on this site aimed at PH.

Quoted from rancido

  I also think some of those posters would adopt a different attitude if they were sacked from their jobs and then  were subjected to the same posts we have seen on this site aimed at PH.

I think it might all hinge on whether I had a 3 generous year contract that was being paid up

Quoted from rancido

Managers still get sacked in non-league.
He had two promotions in non-league prior to coming to us ( admittedly with Shouty at his side) and that is a good grounding for an up and coming manager. He is often criticised for taking 6 years to get us back into the league but two of those were with Shouty at his side. Promotion from non-league National to FL2 is very difficult with only 1 automatic place available. Admittedly some teams have bounced straight back but others have struggled - Luton , with all their financial clout ( compared to ours ) , took a similar time to get back into the league.
As a manager for us , I thought he was ok and achieved ( albeit eventually ) what he was hired to do , and that was to get us back into the ootbal league. I think his elevation to Championship level was a step too far for him at this stage in his career and he would have done better to have stayed at Shrewsbury and got them promoted. The fact was that he had the chance to go to Ipswich and took it - who wouldn't ? He was managing a higher status clubat a higher level and I would assume on a decent financial package. People with ambition do this and if it all goes wrong , so what. If you don't try then you will never know what you can achieve. There is so much schadenfreude aimed at him which I don't understand.  I also think some of those posters would adopt a different attitude if they were sacked from their jobs and then  were subjected to the same posts we have seen on this site aimed at PH.

That's got to work both ways. If he counts those promotions with Ilkeston and Boston on his CV then he's got to have the "6 years to get us promoted" tag too.

I'm not saying the 6 years is definitely a criticism that should be levelled at him, it's one of those speculative subjects that we'll never know what someone else might have done in the job.

I do lean towards thinking a different/better manager might well have made more of what we had at that level. And a different approach might have done it sooner.

I don't blame PH one bit for taking the steps up that he has done in his career. What I think his failing has been at Ipswich is thinking the same approach he used here and at Shrewsbury would work again in the Championship, and failing to adapt.

Quoted from Ipswin

I think it might all hinge on whether I had a 3 generous year contract that was being paid up

Also I would not think the  first thing Hurst would do now he is unemployed on a very high salary is to read what we are talking about on the fishy..

Lambert confirmed as Ipswich new boss,

I heard this 2 weeks ago from an Ipswich fan,

I wonder how Hurst and Doig feel about that.

Quoted from grimsby pete

Lambert confirmed as Ipswich new boss,

I heard this 2 weeks ago from an Ipswich fan,

I wonder how Hurst and Doig feel about that.

Well the football’s not going to get better with that dour jock in charge. The results might but the football won’t.

Quoted from Posh Harry

Well the football’s not going to get better with that dour jock in charge. The results might but the football won’t.

Lambert is in a no lose situation though. If he doesn't get them out of trouble he just blames Hurst a bit like it was Jolley's insurance when we all blamed Slade, it's a doddle to hide behind the previous bloke who clearly failed

Quoted from grimsby pete

Also I would not think the  first thing Hurst would do now he is unemployed on a very high salary is to read what we are talking about on the fishy..

If he has any sense he'll be sitting in the sunshine somewhere giggling and counting the money a bit like Slade

Quoted from Ipswin

If he has any sense he'll be sitting in the sunshine somewhere giggling and counting the money a bit like Slade

more like sitting in a sunbed salon in Rovrum

Quoted from Ipswin

Lambert is in a no lose situation though. If he doesn't get them out of trouble he just blames Hurst a bit like it was Jolley's insurance when we all blamed Slade, it's a doddle to hide behind the previous bloke who clearly failed

That argument's not as easy to pull off in October as it is in March though.

Quoted from Ipswin

Lambert is in a no lose situation though. If he doesn't get them out of trouble he just blames Hurst a bit like it was Jolley's insurance when we all blamed Slade, it's a doddle to hide behind the previous bloke who clearly failed

Difference there is though is that Lambert has a transfer window

Quoted from Youngy

Difference there is though is that Lambert has a transfer window

If he can make it count

1 That all depends on how far adrift they are come January,
2 How much more money Evans is prepared to throw away on what will be higher level players if Lambert gets his way( after the cash Hurst wasted)
3 and if he can get rid of, or loan out the duffers Hurst bought including Toto, Nolan and the bloke from Accie Stanley all three of whom have simply not made the step up

If he doesn't get at least two of the above then 'its all Hurst's fault' will still be quoted come next May when hopefully they are relegated

On radio 5 live prior to today's game they were talking about Ipswich, how Evans expected Hurst to compete by bringing in cheap lower league players, also during the summer they sold/allowed to leave the clubs 4 main strikers, so it's not just us that have a chairman/non chairman that thinks you can be successful on the cheap.

Quoted from Gaffer58

On radio 5 live prior to today's game they were talking about Ipswich, how Evans expected Hurst to compete by bringing in cheap lower league players, also during the summer they sold/allowed to leave the clubs 4 main strikers, so it's not just us that have a chairman/non chairman that thinks you can be successful on the cheap.

That’s probably why he got the job! I’m surprised the advert wasn’t something like “wanted, football manager who’s used to working for a tight tw@t” PH has experience in that for sure.

Quoted from moosey_club

more like sitting in a sunbed salon in Rovrum

..or a massage parlour in Rovrum!

Quoted from HertsGTFC

That’s probably why he got the job! I’m surprised the advert wasn’t something like “wanted, football manager who’s used to working for a tight tw@t” PH has experience in that for sure.

PMSL  ;D ;D ;D