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Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 6, 2018, 5:21pm
Good win against a poor Vale.

Lots more energy, can't think of anyone who was worth less than a 7/10, honourable mentions for Whitmore, RHJ, Clifton & Embleton and MoM for the excellent Charles Vernam.
Posted by: Marinerz93, October 6, 2018, 5:25pm; Reply: 1
2-0 and could have been 3 or 4-0, and we deserved it, much much better.
Posted by: promotion plaice, October 6, 2018, 5:26pm; Reply: 2

Great performance all round and well done Town, this won't do our confidence any harm and I really hope we can kick on from here.

Taking nothing away from Town but Port Vale looked poor or did we just make them look poor !  
Posted by: ginnywings, October 6, 2018, 5:28pm; Reply: 3
Much better today. We weren't brilliant and still give the ball away too much, but the big difference is in the two boxes. Solid at the back and created plenty of chances at the other end. In contrast, Vale were the opposite, good box to box, but toothless up front and all at sea defensively. 2-0 didn't flatter us and it could easily have been more. Vale hardly troubled Macca and our defence dealt well with them. Whitmore was very good and Collins not far behind. Pope ans Miller are a handful and we stood up to them well. Full backs look more comfortable now too, with RHJ a big improvement over the right backs thus far.

In midfield, we look a lot better balanced and i though Clifton was superb, my MOM. Hoopr blew hot and cold, but Vernam was also very good. They both look to be really good prospects. Thomas' hold up play and lay offs are another level up from what we have had for a while, and he took his gift goal excellently.

We got more confident as the game went on, especially after the second goal, and Vale had no answers. 6 points from 2 games after 5 from the previous 10 suggests progress and the team finding it's feet as players come back and adapt to each other.

Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, October 6, 2018, 5:35pm; Reply: 4
Got to agree with most of this, some of the wayward passing is a worry and a better sude may of punished us at times.

Macca's kicking was awful today even worse then nornal, but I think the wind may of played a hand in that slightly.

Whitmoore would be my man of the match after how he dealt with Pope and Miller though, but it could easily of gone to any of the starting 11.

2 happy mariners travelling back to Stoke, one slightly quiet Vale fan.
Posted by: Hagrid, October 6, 2018, 5:41pm; Reply: 5
MOM was Hall Johnson. Good performance, vale awful. Ref worse
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 6, 2018, 5:46pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from Hagrid
MOM was Hall Johnson. Good performance, vale awful. Ref worse


Yep - forgot to mention ref - seem to remember him reffing us in the Conference.
Posted by: 140067 (Guest), October 6, 2018, 5:48pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Hagrid
MOM was Hall Johnson. Good performance, vale awful. Ref worse


My thoughts exactly, thought Rose had a good game.
Posted by: Grimal, October 6, 2018, 6:00pm; Reply: 8
All the lads put in a real shift, good back to back win and two clean sheets , Hall Johnson MOM for me but one or two contenders.  JJ Hooper gets lots of stick and sometimes deservedly but I thought he had his best game in a Town shirt today.Cliftons energy is unbelievable,he never stopped closing down and didn't give their players a second on the ball.
Posted by: mariner tommy, October 6, 2018, 6:10pm; Reply: 9
Nobody had a bad game, what a great all round team performance today, it was a pleasure to watch it.
The entire game was only spoilt by the diabolical referee and the dug out side linesman.
I’m sure the referee did everything possible to help Vale, the worst I’ve seen since we’ve been back in the football league

UTM
Posted by: oldun, October 6, 2018, 6:14pm; Reply: 10
We should no get carried away, but 6 points in a week has lifted the gloom. There were times when we played some lovely one touch football in the second half. Even Buckley commented how good it was. The second goal was a dream. Passing and movement and the much criticised JJ racing in the get on the end of a pull back from the bye line. Proper football. We were much more mobile in the final 3rd and the energy of Vernam, Thomas, Embleton and JJ stood out Clifton had his best game so far and the defence kept Vale attackers quiet. Although we still look one mistake away from gifting a goal. Congrats all round.
Posted by: oldun, October 6, 2018, 6:15pm; Reply: 11
We should no get carried away, but 6 points in a week has lifted the gloom. There were times when we played some lovely one touch football in the second half. Even Buckley commented how good it was. The second goal was a dream. Passing and movement and the much criticised JJ racing in the get on the end of a pull back from the bye line. Proper football. We were much more mobile in the final 3rd and the energy of Vernam, Thomas, Embleton and JJ stood out Clifton had his best game so far and the defence kept Vale attackers quiet. Although we still look one mistake away from gifting a goal. Congrats all round.
Posted by: Pontooner, October 6, 2018, 6:16pm; Reply: 12
Poor quality game first half. But Town were much the better side after the break, playing some nice one touch football a times.

Vale were poor and we still gave the ball away too much, but overall, a much improved performance and hopefully something to build on.
Posted by: psgmariner, October 6, 2018, 6:23pm; Reply: 13
The ref was hilariously bad but an enjoyable game.

I was very impressed with Rose and Wes Thomas. I’m no fan of our centre backs but they did a good collective effort on the it tricky bugga up front (Pope I think).

Things finally looking on the up. We now have two decent full back and a proper striker which gives us balance and a threat.
Posted by: Garth, October 6, 2018, 6:34pm; Reply: 14
Thought at times in the second half we were Buckleyesk, surprising what a couple of wins can do.
Ref was the worst I have ever seen, obviously colour blind not wearing a Vale shirt from the start but their twelve man for 90 odd minutes
Posted by: golfer, October 6, 2018, 6:36pm; Reply: 15
Well done to everyone,Macca's quietest game for a long time.Everybody fought for the ball,also running off the ball was superb.Confidence has improved since their win on Tuesday. Must keep the same team next week. Onwards and upwards
Posted by: Garth, October 6, 2018, 6:41pm; Reply: 16
Was anyone as surprised as me at the size of the mighty Vale's traveling support today what a poor showing
Posted by: Mrs Doyle, October 6, 2018, 7:05pm; Reply: 17
Well, that was a lot, lot better what a difference a bit of confidence does. First half we looked nervous and edgy but the second half was superb stuff.

The second goal was a lovely worked move and they continued to undo the vale defence with some lovely stuff.

You never normally moan about the officials when you win but they were the worst I have seen here for a long time.

Pope was constantly literally wrestling with Collins and Whitmore every time. At the other end Thomas was getting pushed mauled and fouled on a regular basis but the useless Ref just kept ignoring it and booked and penalised us instead.

He was soo excrement it was embarrassing. The third official too kept having a word with M.J. and his assistant it was pathetic I only hope Jolley marks him down accordingly.

We got what we thoroughly deserved through a cracking good win, a clean sheet that could easily have been four.

Well done lads being a Mariner feels good again.
Posted by: LondonMariner43, October 6, 2018, 7:11pm; Reply: 18
From afar it seems like injuries, red cards, late new signings settling in and getting fit and knowing their team mates has meant performances have been disjointed.

These last two games are the first where we have had two fit full backs playing in position.

Get on a run with a consistent line up and have more luck with injuries and good times may come.
Posted by: devs, October 6, 2018, 7:35pm; Reply: 19
MOM for me by country mile was Embleton
19 years of age
Two-footed
Great brain
Energy
Pace
All round player

One of most impressive midfield performances I've seen from gtfc player in a long while - especially given he's a teenager

If Clifton play he must always play centre midfield - so much more at home there

Hopper - much maligned but nowhere near as bad as some make out; his confidence flowed after he scored

Rose - not my cup of tea but did very well

Thomas and Vernam were excellent second half

We need to stay calm - just as the recent poor form was not a disaster two wins on the trot doesn't mean we are a play off side

Keep calm,keep improving and positive results will outnumber negative ones

Two tough games coming up
Posted by: wigworld, October 6, 2018, 7:52pm; Reply: 20
How was Akheem Rose when he came on?
Posted by: Roast Em Bobby, October 6, 2018, 7:57pm; Reply: 21
I agree - Embleton really is a class act and not as lightweight as I initially thought he might be, also Clifton in the middle has had two great games in a row. We need the two of them playing regularly together as they are good mixture of graft, drive and technical ability.
Posted by: mariner paul, October 6, 2018, 7:59pm; Reply: 22
Great result, good all round performance by the team, my man of the match this week goes to Harry Clifton never stopped running all the way through the game
Posted by: LondonMariner43, October 6, 2018, 8:00pm; Reply: 23
Shame Embleton won’t play next week
Posted by: Maringer, October 6, 2018, 8:11pm; Reply: 24
I thought Embleton was so-so during the first half but he upped his game in the second and worked really hard to help out RHJ when he was obviously struggling late in the game because of lack of match fitness. I'd probably give Embleton the nod as my MOTM - just. A decent all-round performance and Thomas had his best game for us as well.

I think it's all the sweeter when you consider just how poor the officials were and the pressure which came from the endless fouls awarded against us. It would be nice to get a real 'homer' of a referee for a change!
Posted by: Madeleymariner, October 6, 2018, 8:52pm; Reply: 25
Enjoyed that, everyone seemed to have a decent game and we looked like a team not a bunch of individuals,, Vale supporting mate who came with us rated RHJ as the best player.Terrible ref though, lucky he never had a chance to point at the penalty spot. My only worry is with no Embleton next week he will bring Woolford back.
Posted by: Les Brechin, October 6, 2018, 8:57pm; Reply: 26
Amazing that we actually managed to win with that clown of a referee.

One of the worst I've seen at BP for a long time.
Posted by: mimma, October 6, 2018, 8:59pm; Reply: 27
One thing about the ref, they made sure the foul was given by their theatrical dives and shouts when there was contact. That is why they get so many "soft" free kicks. We see it time and time again. It's something we don't do so when we have a soft ref it looks like he is favouring the opposition. We are too honest for our own good.
Posted by: headingly_mariner, October 6, 2018, 9:05pm; Reply: 28
Really decent performance second half after a mixed first half.

We had good balance across the midfield, Rose was combative and Clifton’s energy complimented him well. He’s had two fine games in the middle of the park in a row.

Thought Vernam, Embleton and Thomas caused them all sorts of problems. How Vernam hasn’t been starting is beyond me.

Hooper didn’t look like he’d ever played football before in the first half and then was unlucky not to score twice in a second half were he was really quite good. Certainly suits him better playing wide and hopefully the goal will boost his confidence in front of goal.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, October 6, 2018, 9:24pm; Reply: 29
So look what happens when you don't fiddle with the team, pick form players in their positions, have at least one natural FB on the pitch and most importantly pass the ball properly to a player that has moved into space - you look like a decent side and IMHO 100% better than last week, well done to MJ and the players!

Couldn't have had a better start with Thomas (who I really like) latching on to that back pass and using all his experience to slot it away, he needed a goal I reckon. Through the rest of the half we tried to create some stuff and ou movement up front looked much better and we do look more organised at the back. Credit to PV they pulled us a round a bit in the final 3rd and actually squandered a couple of chances that would have saw them equalize or even go in ahead at the break.    

In the 2nd half we played some of the best football I've seen at BP for absolutely ages, the combination of Verman, Thomas, Embleton and Hooper meant we looked dangerous and a lot of this was due to the hard work of Clifton who in what I reckon is his natural position glued things together really well. Also worth noting the work rate did not stop at all and the desire to play the ball made for some great entertainment. The 2nd goal was a decent move with great work from Verman and a piece of intelligence from Hooper who provided the Johnny on the spot finish. No finger pointed at JJ at all but it's a shame he hit the post earlier with what was possibly the best piece of football of the season never mind the match.

The players?

Macca - Cool, calm and in the right places when needed, goal kicks where interesting :)
RHJ - Really good game, with more miles on the clock he'll make a real difference, he's been missed
Hendrie - As he gets fitter he gets better, great competitor this lad
Whitmore - Really pleased for him kept his cool with their number 9 and delivered a brave performance
Collins - A 2nd good game in a row, showed the leadership that many of us last week through was missing
Rose - Lost the ball a bit but did some really ugly stuff all game, and looks to get it down all the time.
Clifton - In his best position was the glue that we'd been missing, brilliant work rate & vision. Based on today he should be keeping more senior players out of the CM role.
Embelton - Not sure why his goal was ruled out but alongside the other offensive players he provided real balance.  
Hooper - Clearly an enigma but did some really good things and worked hard for the team, the boo boys need to get off his back
Verman - This lad can move and his work for the 2nd was great, keep him in he'll get even better.
Thomas - Clever! and knows where to run, if we can keep a settled attack he'll get more goals for sure    

So the "new &  improved" defense held out and the lads managed the game to a conclusion for a well deserved win and just as importantly another clean sheet.

UTM!

PS 2 things......

The "supporters" calling for Hooper to be taken off after 15 mins (there where a good few in the Upper) need to look at themselves as that doesn't help.

The Ref - FFS!!!    
Posted by: TheGoalKipper, October 6, 2018, 9:43pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from HertsGTFC
So look what happens when you don't fiddle with the team, pick form players in their positions, have at least one natural FB on the pitch and most importantly pass the ball properly to a player that has moved into space - you look like a decent side and IMHO 100% better than last week, well done to MJ and the players!

Couldn't have had a better start with Thomas (who I really like) latching on to that back pass and using all his experience to slot it away, he needed a goal I reckon. Through the rest of the half we tried to create some stuff and ou movement up front looked much better and we do look more organised at the back. Credit to PV they pulled us a round a bit in the final 3rd and actually squandered a couple of chances that would have saw them equalize or even go in ahead at the break.    

In the 2nd half we played some of the best football I've seen at BP for absolutely ages, the combination of Verman, Thomas, Embleton and Hooper meant we looked dangerous and a lot of this was due to the hard work of Clifton who in what I reckon is his natural position glued things together really well. Also worth noting the work rate did not stop at all and the desire to play the ball made for some great entertainment. The 2nd goal was a decent move with great work from Verman and a piece of intelligence from Hooper who provided the Johnny on the spot finish. No finger pointed at JJ at all but it's a shame he hit the post earlier with what was possibly the best piece of football of the season never mind the match.

The players?

Macca - Cool, calm and in the right places when needed, goal kicks where interesting :)
RHJ - Really good game, with more miles on the clock he'll make a real difference, he's been missed
Hendrie - As he gets fitter he gets better, great competitor this lad
Whitmore - Really pleased for him kept his cool with their number 9 and delivered a brave performance
Collins - A 2nd good game in a row, showed the leadership that many of us last week through was missing
Rose - Lost the ball a bit but did some really ugly stuff all game, and looks to get it down all the time.
Clifton - In his best position was the glue that we'd been missing, brilliant work rate & vision. Based on today he should be keeping more senior players out of the CM role.
Embelton - Not sure why hos goal was ruled out but alongside the other offensive players he provided real balance.  
Hooper - Clearly an enigma but did some really good things and worked hard for the team, the boo boys need to get off his back
Verman - This lad can move and his work for the 2nd was great, keep him in he'll get even better.
Thomas - Clever! and knows where to run, if we can keep a settled attack he'll get more goals for sure    

So the "new &  improved" defense held out and the lads managed the game to a conclusion for a well deserved win and just as importantly another clean sheet.

UTM!

PS 2 things......

The "supporters" calling for Hooper to be taken off after 15 mins (there where a good few in the Upper) need to look at themselves as that doesn't help.

The Ref - FFS!!!    


Ive always said Thomas was the player we needed up front. He's a class and clever player and will score goals once he's fit and the players get used to his play and get the ball to him at the right time, The others must start chipping in though. The more they play togertyherr the better. I just hope we can keep winning a big enoiugh percentage to keep us away from relegatilon until it all gels.
These are not all bad players, Injuries and lack of fitness has certainly affected them. This season we must stay up. We have some good young playters here who will become very good if we can just keep it all together :)
Posted by: Croxton, October 6, 2018, 9:44pm; Reply: 31
Good summary Herts, but as one of those in the upper who felt that Hooper was a weak link in the first half I would say that there were more than ' a good few' in agreement. In case some not at the game should get the wrong expression there was no booing of Hooper at all.
The lad looks lost at times and seems not to have a strikers instinct. He put a shift in second half and did well to get on the end of a cross for his goal. I hope none of the fans around me feel that they have to have a look at themselves for having a view on how a player is performing or we may as well watch on IFollow.
Posted by: RichMariner, October 6, 2018, 10:10pm; Reply: 32
I’ve not been able to get to any matches this season so I’ve been feeding off comments on here to build a picture of what’s going well and what isn’t.

On thing I’m very pleased about is Clifton finally being played in his natural position. Embleton looks a real find and Vernam has impressed when he’s played. All three are very young. Makes you realise that for all the experience that the likes of Welsh and Woolford can offer, a bit of youthful exuberance can be just as effective.

Time will tell whether youth can deliver consistently. Not writing off Welsh or Woolford by any means, but two wins and two improved performances with younger players can’t just be down to coincidence.
Posted by: marinette, October 6, 2018, 10:17pm; Reply: 33
I thought we started out with a different kind of determination today and held onto it throughout the game, which was great to see.  The two goals gave our players the confidence to start playing with a bit more creativity than usual - overall, it felt completely different to the ragged, disorganised and toothless performances we've been used to seeing in recent weeks.

I'm not over-confident and the players have got a lot of work to do if we want to stay out of danger, but they've given me hope that it's possible now.  Embleton's goal v Morecambe last week made me sit up, but I did wonder afterwards if it was just a one-off.  Today he was my MOM - working so hard, covering so much of the pitch and yet showing those occasional little touches that in my opinion, suggest he might become 'a prospect'.  There were also things about Thomas's game that gave me hope, and the other players were generally working much better as a team.  Really pleased that McKeown kept a clean sheet as he was there when we needed him to be.

Enjoyed it.  More games and results like that please.
Posted by: Mrs Doyle, October 6, 2018, 10:19pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from wigworld
How was Akheem Rose when he came on?


Was not on long enough to show us his pace his time will come.

Posted by: HertsGTFC, October 6, 2018, 10:26pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from marinette
I thought we started out with a different kind of determination today and held onto it throughout the game, which was great to see.  The two goals gave our players the confidence to start playing with a bit more creativity than usual - overall, it felt completely different to the ragged, disorganised and toothless performances we've been used to seeing in recent weeks.

I'm not over-confident and the players have got a lot of work to do if we want to stay out of danger, but they've given me hope that it's possible now.  Embleton's goal v Morecambe last week made me sit up, but I did wonder afterwards if it was just a one-off.  Today he was my MOM - working so hard, covering so much of the pitch and yet showing those occasional little touches that in my opinion, suggest he might become 'a prospect'.  There were also things about Thomas's game that gave me hope, and the other players were generally working much better as a team.  Really pleased that McKeown kept a clean sheet as he was there when we needed him to be.

Enjoyed it.  More games and results like that please.


Embelton's involvement in the move where JJ hit the post just shows he's got some real potential, well backed up by Harry too.
Posted by: golfer, October 6, 2018, 10:41pm; Reply: 36
Quoted from Croxton
Good summary Herts, but as one of those in the upper who felt that Hooper was a weak link in the first half I would say that there were more than ' a good few' in agreement. In case some not at the game should get the wrong expression there was no booing of Hooper at all.
The lad looks lost at times and seems not to have a strikers instinct. He put a shift in second half and did well to get on the end of a cross for his goal. I hope none of the fans around me feel that they have to have a look at themselves for having a view on how a player is performing or we may as well watch on IFollow.


There was a lot of shouting for Hooper to be substituted in the first 10 minutes and jeering whenever he touched the ball. These people aren't supporters and weren't "having a view" as you put it and it is possible that it would be better if they did watch on ifollow. Do you think it makes "a young lad" play better to hear this sort of abuse.
Posted by: oochiad, October 6, 2018, 10:48pm; Reply: 37
Yes there were a fair few older generation men who should no better constantly berating Jj in the main stand. It’s out of order and no help what so ever.
Posted by: FishOutOfWater, October 6, 2018, 10:48pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from marinette
I thought we started out with a different kind of determination today and held onto it throughout the game, which was great to see.  The two goals gave our players the confidence to start playing with a bit more creativity than usual - overall, it felt completely different to the ragged, disorganised and toothless performances we've been used to seeing in recent weeks.

I'm not over-confident and the players have got a lot of work to do if we want to stay out of danger, but they've given me hope that it's possible now.  Embleton's goal v Morecambe last week made me sit up, but I did wonder afterwards if it was just a one-off.  Today he was my MOM - working so hard, covering so much of the pitch and yet showing those occasional little touches that in my opinion, suggest he might become 'a prospect'.  There were also things about Thomas's game that gave me hope, and the other players were generally working much better as a team.  Really pleased that McKeown kept a clean sheet as he was there when we needed him to be.

Enjoyed it.  More games and results like that please.


Good to see you back here posting again Marinette.... been a long time. I had to look twice at the user name to make sure I'd read it right  ;)
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 6, 2018, 10:54pm; Reply: 39
You could see a different attitude in the warm-up today. More intensity & focus and lead by Limbrick & Forrest as opposed to young Greg who was working with the subs. Maybe reading too much into it but it just looked right.
Posted by: HertsGTFC, October 6, 2018, 11:11pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Croxton
Good summary Herts, but as one of those in the upper who felt that Hooper was a weak link in the first half I would say that there were more than ' a good few' in agreement. In case some not at the game should get the wrong expression there was no booing of Hooper at all.
The lad looks lost at times and seems not to have a strikers instinct. He put a shift in second half and did well to get on the end of a cross for his goal. I hope none of the fans around me feel that they have to have a look at themselves for having a view on how a player is performing or we may as well watch on IFollow.


Thanks, but what you have posted I find quite odd and IMHO a bit patronizing  ...........  read what I posted especially the "after 15 mins" bit. and at no point did I suggest he was booed. I didn't include someone in the upper sat in earshot of a youngster calling his a useless c%$t. Like another poster says if you really want to be part of a minority go and watch i follow.    

Having an opinion is fine - no opinions no Fishy etc.. but really some of the stick dished out to a 24 year old kid with less than 100 EFL starts (who's playing out of position again) is getting stupid & just underlines what a sh1t place BP can be at times.
Posted by: easypeersy, October 6, 2018, 11:35pm; Reply: 41
Great performance today.
However just one gripe...
Why does McKeown kick the ball right out of play down the side at least three times every single match. Monkhouse left three seasons ago!
Posted by: promotion plaice, October 6, 2018, 11:43pm; Reply: 42
Quoted from easypeersy
Great performance today.
However just one gripe...
Why does McKeown kick the ball right out of play down the side at least three times every single match. Monkhouse left three seasons ago!


That was the only negative for me on what was a great performance today.

Posted by: Mrs Doyle, October 7, 2018, 6:42am; Reply: 43
Must add along with everyone else thought  Embleton was outstanding particularly in the second half.

He has a quick head on him the little one two's and interplay showed that.

He also has bags of energy and helps out in defence but in midfield together with Harry, they were making things happen.
Posted by: Cloudy, October 7, 2018, 7:41am; Reply: 44
This shows football fans are mostly very one eyed!
We were ‘truly awful’ evidently

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/grimsby-2-port-vale-0-2082711
Posted by: mirrorballman, October 7, 2018, 8:04am; Reply: 45
I'd ignore that 'truly awful' quote, it's just Dixon trying to angle his way back in to the team :)

[img]https://i.imgur.com/DXouLZ7_d.jpg[/img]
Posted by: fishboyUTM, October 7, 2018, 8:18am; Reply: 46
Really good performance against an average Port Vale side. I thought we started off too direct with too many cross field balls. Possibly trying to take advantage of a rare size advantage and turn them around. When we started to mix it up and get the ball down more it was apparent how poor Vale were and we looked dangerous. Vernam is a really good footballer, he was excellent as were RHJ, Collins got his head on everything, even Whackmore did well against the difficult Pope.

Embleton is class and will go on to play in the top two divisions without any doubt. I was pleased for Hooper, he isn't a centre forward IMO, but does well to the left of the three despite being right footed.

Enjoy your weekend chaps!
Posted by: Croxton, October 7, 2018, 8:28am; Reply: 47
F.A.O.  Herts and Golfer.

Herts posted something like 'the boo boys need to get off his back'. Nothing patronising about pointing out that criticism of Hooper in my area of the Upper was just that. No abuse, swearing or shouting.
Golfer. reread my post and put the kettle on. Goodness knows why you should think I was in any way condoning any abuse. No player deserves abuse and I did not warrant your comment.
Posted by: Abdul19, October 7, 2018, 8:59am; Reply: 48
Quoted from Cloudy
This shows football fans are mostly very one eyed!
We were ‘truly awful’ evidently

https://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/grimsby-2-port-vale-0-2082711


I'd be drunk off if I'd missed out on the Derby Folk Festival.
Posted by: pen penfras, October 7, 2018, 9:18am; Reply: 49
Quoted from Croxton
F.A.O.  Herts and Golfer.

Herts posted something like 'the boo boys need to get off his back'. Nothing patronising about pointing out that criticism of Hooper in my area of the Upper was just that. No abuse, swearing or shouting.
Golfer. reread my post and put the kettle on. Goodness knows why you should think I was in any way condoning any abuse. No player deserves abuse and I did not warrant your comment.


This was the point I was making in another thread last week. Do we really need to be criticising players in the first 15 minutes of a match? What good do you think it will do?

It's better to back the team during the match and question things afterwards, when you know the whole story ie Hooper scored! Even better than that is to trust that Michael Jolley, a man with every footballing qualification going, knows a little bit more about football than you and that is why the player is on the pitch.
Posted by: RoboCod, October 7, 2018, 9:19am; Reply: 50
What an awful way to cover your local team. Get a few random fans to basically Tweet in their thoughts. One says we were awful, Vale 'dominated' the 1st but that we had the better 2nd half, another says Vale were awful but they had the better 2nd half....honestly, why not just pass a mic around the crowd and ask any old idiot what they think.
Better still, just set up a telly with iFollow coverage in a beer tent at the Derby Folk Festival.

This sums up their 'reporting' really: "They didn't attack that much but when they did they looked dangerous every time."(wacko)
Posted by: MuddyWaters, October 7, 2018, 9:25am; Reply: 51
Quoted from pen penfras


This was the point I was making in another thread last week. Do we really need to be criticising players in the first 15 minutes of a match? What good do you think it will do?

It's better to back the team during the match and question things afterwards, when you know the whole story ie Hooper scored! Even better than that is to trust that Michael Jolley, a man with every footballing qualification going, knows a little bit more about football than you and that is why the player is on the pitch.


Although the point you make is valid, I think you think this is a 'Grimsby thing'. It isn't. In all honesty, I thought he started slowly yesterday and took a good 20 minutes to get into the game and, probably should have scored earlier.
Posted by: psgmariner, October 7, 2018, 9:31am; Reply: 52
I don’t mind admitting I fought Hooper was absolutely hopeless yesterday. He improved after his goal but really don’t see him as being good enough. In his defence he is playing out of position.
Posted by: rancido, October 7, 2018, 9:43am; Reply: 53
Quoted from psgmariner
I don’t mind admitting I fought Hooper was absolutely hopeless yesterday. He improved after his goal but really don’t see him as being good enough. In his defence he is playing out of position.



That's not very good if you are fighting with our players because you don't rate them! I must admit though that I thought JJ wasn't as good as some fans think. His reactions always seem slow to me but he did anticipate and take his goal well.
Posted by: Croxton, October 7, 2018, 9:50am; Reply: 54
Penfras quote
'This was the point I was making in another thread last week. Do we really need to be criticising players in the first 15 minutes of a match? What good do you think it will do?

It's better to back the team during the match and question things afterwards, when you know the whole story ie Hooper scored! Even better than that is to trust that Michael Jolley, a man with every footballing qualification going, knows a little bit more about football than you and that is why the player is on the pitch.'

Interesting that you Penfras, Herts and Golfer tend to personalise your responses for some reason. Address your comments to the 'fans' who shout the abuse. All I heard in the mid section of the Upper was valid, tame and muted comment re JJ's game. What Herts heard was quite different. As with Golfer, try to limit your response to what I said not widen it to ' backing the team '.
The logical conclusion of your reference to MJ's qualifications would mean that it would be pointless reading any of Herts, Tommy, Ginny or Chaos's views or reports because they don't the same level?
Posted by: HertsGTFC, October 7, 2018, 11:27am; Reply: 55
Quoted from Croxton
Penfras quote
'This was the point I was making in another thread last week. Do we really need to be criticising players in the first 15 minutes of a match? What good do you think it will do?

It's better to back the team during the match and question things afterwards, when you know the whole story ie Hooper scored! Even better than that is to trust that Michael Jolley, a man with every footballing qualification going, knows a little bit more about football than you and that is why the player is on the pitch.'

Interesting that you Penfras, Herts and Golfer tend to personalise your responses for some reason. Address your comments to the 'fans' who shout the abuse. All I heard in the mid section of the Upper was valid, tame and muted comment re JJ's game. What Herts heard was quite different. As with Golfer, try to limit your response to what I said not widen it to ' backing the team '.
The logical conclusion of your reference to MJ's qualifications would mean that it would be pointless reading any of Herts, Tommy, Ginny or Chaos's views or reports because they don'tthe same level?


I don’t know what you heard but from my seat hearing fans shouting for players to be taken off after 15 mins can’t be termed as “valid” surely? BTW the term “boo boys” is used commonly to describe supporters who get on players backs it doesn’t necessarily mean they where actually booing Hooper.

I do get that criticism “in the moment” is hard to resist but there is an element at BP who don’t understand that our players are 4th Division players so they are not always going to set the world alight.

Like I said Hooper put a shift in, wasted some good opportunities to move us forward, lost the ball a few times, hit the post but was in the right place at the right time then and for his goal. His passing and first touch can be great and can be terrible....... you could arguably replace the name Hooper with numerous league 2 players with less than 100 EFL games under their belt.

I know one thing and that he does overall look better when he starts a game than he did 12 months ago.

Posted by: marinette, October 7, 2018, 11:54am; Reply: 56
Quoted from FishOutOfWater


Good to see you back here posting again Marinette.... been a long time. I had to look twice at the user name to make sure I'd read it right  ;)


:)  Inspired by a good performance.  (A bit like Town, I'd got out of the habit).
Posted by: Croxton, October 7, 2018, 1:43pm; Reply: 57
Herts.  
We are on the same side here if you read my posts in the context of Upper Findus rows approx A - J numbers 60 - 70. You obviously mix with a rougher crowd  1 - 50 ish? I avoided those areas when choosing my season ticket for Specsavers reasons and to avoid the perpetrators of my assault 12 months ago.
The group around me are very mild indeed although there is an 80 odd year old who did shout PASS IT! PASS IT!. If he does it again I'll call him out.  (winking emoji)
Posted by: devs, October 7, 2018, 2:08pm; Reply: 58
Hooper is an enigma
Makes the easy things look hard and vice versa
I sat in Main Stand yesterday (normally Ponny) and you see things from a different perspective.
He does a lot of hard work down the left - wins headers - finds space - his contribution is no better/no worse than many L2 players
I thought he did well at MK Dons earlier in season - works hard

It's about opinions - I'm not a huge fan of Mitch Rose but I'd hate myself if I spent half the game berating him, cos he's obviously giving 100%

Try and keep this run going - keep the main bulk of the same team (Embleton will be a big loss next week IMO) and perhaps Hooper's confidence will grow etc etc

However, I suspect we will all have to learn to live with his inconsistencies and hope the bright bits can help us win games
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