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Quoted from Cloudy

Been discussing this with the resident gimps on the League 2 transfer thread.

I would rather we dont get involved in paying these sort of players £2, 3 or even 4k per week. Last big pay day sort of chap, been there done that. I hope he goes to the Gimps!

Why do you think this? 30 is not that old and he is highly thought of at Notts. we are giving contracts to a lot of younger players so surly a couple of older heads would not be a bad thing to give us a bit of experience. And where is your info coming from that he would warrant high wages etc?

Balance isn't it? We should sign good players for the right money, but that's easier said than done.

Quoted from Cloudy

Been discussing this with the resident gimps on the League 2 transfer thread.

I would rather we dont get involved in paying these sort of players £2, 3 or even 4k per week. Last big pay day sort of chap, been there done that. I hope he goes to the Gimps!

O'Connor stating that he was offered a 40% pay cut then a 25% pay cut to stay. Still think he would be on a decent whack but he is a decent player. It's whether he is worth the risk and looks like both clubs think he might be. Does live local to Lincoln so that's in our favour.

If he’s worth it then why not. Still think Lincoln would blow ya out the water in regards to wages they can offer.

Still need to recruit a new midfielder, good that Jolley sees that

It nice to be interested in a player who was not relegated last season.

He's crap or was when he was on loan at the imps many seasons ago but he might have improved since then.

Quoted from Impish2

O'Connor stating that he was offered a 40% pay cut then a 25% pay cut to stay. Still think he would be on a decent whack but he is a decent player. It's whether he is worth the risk and looks like both clubs think he might be. Does live local to Lincoln so that's in our favour.

Im begining to think that this is an essential part of MJ's recruitment policy - You either live local or are prepared to move if you want to play for us.

As long as he can bring some quality players here its fine but .....

little bit of a crossover between his career at Crewe and Harry Davis', i wonder if that will have any effect? I doubt it will as Davis was in the youth team for most of O'Connor's time at Crewe, but I suppose it is worth considering

Interesting, I wonder if this all boils down to wheather it’s a case of a manager has to ....

1 Persuade the player

2 Persuade his agent

If it’s the first one MJ may have a sporting chance if it’s the 2nd then the Gimps would have the upper hand considering their recently accrued “wealth”.

My view looking at the last couple of seasons I’ve possibly seen half a dozen players worth really stretching the budget for (though they’d never sign for us) Berry, Kee, Collins etc.. but O’Connor does not fall into this bracket.

I also wonder if this is the season when the Gimps spend big to try and secure automatic?

How much will it cost to get the ball down I wonder 😉

Quoted from Meza

He's crap or was when he was on loan at the imps many seasons ago but he might have improved since then.

He was quality in his short time at SB.

-Has he not spent most of the last 2 years injured?

Quoted from Madeleymariner

-Has he not spent most of the last 2 years injured?

Did an ACL in April 2017, up to then had played most of the 16/17 season

If we could get 30+ games a season out of him for 2 years, he'd be a cracking signing, top midfielder for this level. Imagine having him in our squad instead of a Berrett. With him living so close to Lincoln, I think they'd be daft not to sign him and I'm sure both parties would want it to happen.

Quoted from Impish2

O'Connor stating that he was offered a 40% pay cut then a 25% pay cut to stay. Still think he would be on a decent whack but he is a decent player. It's whether he is worth the risk and looks like both clubs think he might be. Does live local to Lincoln so that's in our favour.

so relatively local to Grimsby then?

think he will go to the Gimps as they are throwing money around like confetti

Quoted from newarkmariner

think he will go to the Gimps as they are throwing money around like confetti

Are we? We have signed two new players so far.

Quoted from immariner

If we could get 30+ games a season out of him for 2 years, he'd be a cracking signing, top midfielder for this level. Imagine having him in our squad instead of a Berrett. With him living so close to Lincoln, I think they'd be daft not to sign him and I'm sure both parties would want it to happen.

I'd personally rather have a decent player on a reasonable wage available for 46 games of the season rather than risking signing a good but expensive player in the hope they could manage 30-odd. Especially when you consider we've already got a boatload of midfielders signed up or offered contracts.

I wouldn't want to break the bank for somebody just to see him keep Clifton out of the team, either.

Quoted from newarkmariner

think he will go to the Gimps as they are throwing money around like confetti

Hardly. Its because we have generated money. We have broke our season tickets sales record.
The majority of our money from cup runs has been spent on our new academy/training ground. We pay good wages, but we can , when we have sold nearly 6k season tickets.

Plus we have a new chairman who does put money in, add to that we sold Alex for 250k, so we do have cash, yes, but we are hardly throwing it around. We spend it wisely and on the future,

As for O'Connor he lives a couple of miles out of Lincoln, whoever gets him is getting a very good player at this level.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Hardly. Its because we have generated money. We have broke our season tickets sales record.
The majority of our money from cup runs has been spent on our new academy/training ground. We pay good wages, but we can , when we have sold nearly 6k season tickets.

Plus we have a new chairman who does put money in, add to that we sold Alex for 250k, so we do have cash, yes, but we are hardly throwing it around. We spend it wisely and on the future,

As for O'Connor he lives a couple of miles out of Lincoln, whoever gets him is getting a very good player at this level.

I think you’ll find that St Danny & Prince Nicky will splash the cash this season, this will be interesting as they won’t lose either way as you’ll either go up or they’ll inevitably move to a bigger job.

Though it has to be said that makes them no different to most managers.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

I think you’ll find that St Danny & Prince Nicky will splash the cash this season, this will be interesting as they won’t lose either way as you’ll either go up or they’ll inevitably move to a bigger job.

Though it has to be said that makes them no different to most managers.

And you know this because?

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

And you know this because?

They are football managers and they are pretty much all tempted by status over loyalty

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

And you know this because?

Thats how they ended up at Lincoln, that's how.

As soon as a better job comes along they will be history in Lincoln.

Quoted from mimma

Thats how they ended up at Lincoln, that's how.

As soon as a better job comes along they will be history in Lincoln.

They were approached for numerous jobs at bigger clubs higher up the FL according to the several sources but never went. I agree that money usually wins out over loyalty any day but looking at the bigger picture they have a very loyal mantra with regards to players and themselves.

They will leave when it's right for them, maybe in a year, maybe two years. We will just enjoy the ride while it lasts. The big test will be how we go about appointing a new manager when they leave and if we can continue growing the club. Having Clive Nates as chairman now with his input and contacts should help us sustain a reasonably healthy period, I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Quoted from mimma

Thats how they ended up at Lincoln, that's how.

As soon as a better job comes along they will be history in Lincoln.

Your probably right, but they have already turned jobs down. its not beyond the realms of possibility that we will part with them first.
But having sold more season tickets than everyone in League 2 and a lot of L1, I imagine they think think they can take us further up the ladder. Our new chairman will really push us on, and we will move to a new ground soon so that will help too. If Burton etc can do championship then I am sure we both could.

But as you say they will if they do move us on, move further up the pyramid, Their absolute dream would be to manage West Ham, but I can't see that with the way the PL is run etc now.

Quoted from Impish2

They were approached for numerous jobs at bigger clubs higher up the FL according to the several sources but never went. I agree that money usually wins out over loyalty any day but looking at the bigger picture they have a very loyal mantra with regards to players and themselves.

They will leave when it's right for them, maybe in a year, maybe two years. We will just enjoy the ride while it lasts. The big test will be how we go about appointing a new manager when they leave and if we can continue growing the club. Having Clive Nates as chairman now with his input and contacts should help us sustain a reasonably healthy period, I don't see that changing anytime soon.

Are they bringing on anyone internally to replace them?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Are they bringing on anyone internally to replace them?

Jamie McCombe is 1st team coach - Maybe him.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Hardly. Its because we have generated money. We have broke our season tickets sales record.
The majority of our money from cup runs has been spent on our new academy/training ground. We pay good wages, but we can , when we have sold nearly 6k season tickets.

Plus we have a new chairman who does put money in, add to that we sold Alex for 250k, so we do have cash, yes, but we are hardly throwing it around. We spend it wisely and on the future,

As for O'Connor he lives a couple of miles out of Lincoln, whoever gets him is getting a very good player at this level.

No problem with how you've generated your cash - good on you and i wish more clubs were like that, rather than relying on a sugar daddy billionaire.

But it is also probably not true that you haven't splashed the cash...i mean, how much must Bostwick be on??

Quoted from sam gy

No problem with how you've generated your cash - good on you and i wish more clubs were like that, rather than relying on a sugar daddy billionaire.

But it is also probably not true that you haven't splashed the cash...i mean, how much must Bostwick be on??

Think I have heard he is on 3k, quality player though.

Matt Dean Twitter comment.....

Had it confirmed that #gtfc are in for ex-#Scunthorpe midfielder Michael O’Connor.

Told he has other offers, though, and is weighing them up.

Word is he still lives in Lincolnshire so #gtfc’s offer might be given serious consideration.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Are they bringing on anyone internally to replace them?

That's a good question. No idea about that TBH but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't have some sort of input in their successor.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Think I have heard he is on 3k, quality player though.

Players have to get what they can BUT it angers me than any League 2 footballer earns £150k+pa.
The game is so far removed from its traditional roots and i believe ( and sometimes hope) it imploeds and we can start again

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Think I have heard he is on 3k, quality player though.

That is insane.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Think I have heard he is on 3k, quality player though.

But you're not splashing the cash ;D.

I would be shocked if our top earner was on half that.

Quoted from Cloudy

Players have to get what they can BUT it angers me than any League 2 footballer earns £150k+pa.
The game is so far removed from its traditional roots and i believe ( and sometimes hope) it imploeds and we can start again

Why would it anger you that a lower division footballer could earn this much? It's a specialised job, one which only a tiny fraction of the population are capable of carrying out so why would you begrudge them the money, if they can get it?

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a massive amount in comparison to, say, the folk in the City who make vast amounts of money speculating with (and often losing) other people's money.

A lower division footballer on a decent whack isn't exactly the same as the top level players who bag a few times this amount each week.

Both Boswick and Frecklington are rumoured to be ob 3-4k and thats excluding signing on fees.

Quoted from Maringer

Why would it anger you that a lower division footballer could earn this much? It's a specialised job, one which only a tiny fraction of the population are capable of carrying out so why would you begrudge them the money, if they can get it?

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a massive amount in comparison to, say, the folk in the City who make vast amounts of money speculating with (and often losing) other people's money.

A lower division footballer on a decent whack isn't exactly the same as the top level players who bag a few times this amount each week.

as an older guy (63) it angers me that a footballer, not a skilled life saving surgeon or even a CEO of a compnay with responsiblity for thousands of people, earns so much for kicking a ball around. He may well be skilled in his job but it, as I said in my earlier post, removing the game even further from the people.

You may be happy for your season ticket to go up to £6/800 or your Sky/BT subscription to rise and rise but this is the sort of move that will be neccesary for the game to continue to pay exhorbitant wages. Pitches and stadia have improved, slightly in GTFC case, but the ever increasing cost of football just goes in to the pocket of limited ability players. It is that that is killing the game for me.

You may feel differently, thats your perogative, but i hate it !

Quoted from Maringer

I'd personally rather have a decent player on a reasonable wage available for 46 games of the season rather than risking signing a good but expensive player in the hope they could manage 30-odd. Especially when you consider we've already got a boatload of midfielders signed up or offered contracts.

I wouldn't want to break the bank for somebody just to see him keep Clifton out of the team,

No reason he can't play a full season, all players get injuries, I was talking worst case scenario. Personally, I'd be happy to see him keep Clifton out the team if it improves us. But I think it's moot anyway as I think they'd be competing for different positions next season, with Clifton most likely to be utilised as a right midfielder. O'Connor would then be up against Rose, Woolford and possibly Summerfield for a central midfield berth. 4/5 CMs isn't a 'boatload' either.

Quoted from Maringer

Why would it anger you that a lower division footballer could earn this much? It's a specialised job, one which only a tiny fraction of the population are capable of carrying out so why would you begrudge them the money, if they can get it?

Anyway, in the grand scheme of things, it's not a massive amount in comparison to, say, the folk in the City who make vast amounts of money speculating with (and often losing) other people's money.

A lower division footballer on a decent whack isn't exactly the same as the top level players who bag a few times this amount each week.

Worth noting that City boys only get paid big money if they make others (personal & corporate) big money, don’t knock them too much they’re possibly managing your pension funds or the investments that support it.

I’ve no real issue with the likes of say Luke Berry and a handful of others earning good money as they are the better players. What does concern me is that you’d get average players earning 6 figure sums which can’t be sustainable for many clubs and catches up on a fair few.

We will never attract him with the wages we pay. MJ is going for younger talent.

Have Lincoln sold 6,000 season tickets? Wish they'd mention it more.

Quoted from gtfc98

Have Lincoln sold 6,000 season tickets? Wish they'd mention it more.

Won't be long until normal service resumes and they're back to a crowd of a couple of thousand.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

Won't be long until normal service resumes and they're back to a crowd of a couple of thousand.

and we're back with 20k at the Park.......oh wait.... :o

let them have some credit, they were in a similar position to us, have rebounded much stronger than we did and have either;

been lucky as fck for two seasons on all fronts

or

have appointed superbly, invested wisely, generated and captured interest in the community by being highly pro active and imaginative with their approach to PR and are now p1ssing all over us when it comes to being a well run football club.

The only crumb we have at the moment is that we start the season in the same League, on the same points and appear to be turning a corner with a fresher approach led by the manager.

Hopefully we will rise again and take the ascendancy.

Quoted from gtfc98

Have Lincoln sold 6,000 season tickets? Wish they'd mention it more.

I haven't said a word on that I don't think.

Quoted from moosey_club

and we're back with 20k at the Park.......oh wait.... :o

let them have some credit, they were in a similar position to us, have rebounded much stronger than we did and have either;

been lucky as fck for two seasons on all fronts

or

have appointed superbly, invested wisely, generated and captured interest in the community by being highly pro active and imaginative with their approach to PR and are now p1ssing all over us when it comes to being a well run football club.

The only crumb we have at the moment is that we start the season in the same League, on the same points and appear to be turning a corner with a fresher approach led by the manager.

Hopefully we will rise again and take the ascendancy.

Can't argue with any of that, I hope we keep the ascendancy for a while yet though.

Quoted from Cloudy

You may be happy for your season ticket to go up to £6/800 or your Sky/BT subscription to rise and rise but this is the sort of move that will be neccesary for the game to continue to pay exhorbitant wages. Pitches and stadia have improved, slightly in GTFC case, but the ever increasing cost of football just goes in to the pocket of limited ability players. It is that that is killing the game for me.

But that's just a straw man argument you've built there. I wouldn't be happy for my season ticket to double overnight, but then I don't expect it to. I'd imagine that the salaries offered by clubs will be affordable for them so, if clubs think they can afford a few grand a week for a player, then fair enough. Lincoln obviously have the means due to their recent fortune so, if they want to spend that on one player, I've got no problem with it.

Ultimately, it's just down to the market and what it will pay. The vast amounts of money swallowed up by the Premier League have created an enormous imbalance and the top players are now pocketing incredible wedges of cash, aided and abetted by the Bosman ruling.

At the same time, lower division footballers really haven't benefited in the same way - look how it has gone with the days of 3 year contracts becoming incredibly rare and many professionals often moving around on one year deals with the make up of teams changing enormously year to year. I think that lower division players are certainly no wealthier than they were 20 years ago, not something which could be said for the top level ones. I won't begrudge them anything they get and let's not forget what a precarious and short-lived way it is to make a living, either.

Quoted from gtfc98

Have Lincoln sold 6,000 season tickets? Wish they'd mention it more.

Ah the jealousy. It's their time now, just let them enjoy their fortunes going up as we hope for a recovery from last season.

Quoted from Impish2

Can't argue with any of that, I hope we keep the ascendancy for a while yet though.

Can't see why not just got to keep the connection between the fans and club as it is.

Strange how we now have so many imps on this board after they have had a couple of good seasons. They were notably absent when they were not doing so well.

Why are these guys bothering to spend their time on the board of another club? I guess they are the kind of people who want to crow about their success, or have the occasional gloat.

In other words, pretty sad creatures. It's pathetic, They really should get a life.

Most of em on here seem alright to me Ron. And Helgy's been around here even when they were shite.

The majority of imps are w.ankers but tbf these ones are just ok member.s

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Most of em on here seem alright to me Ron. And Helgy's been around here even when they were shite.

Not saying they are all bad. I just don't get why on earth one would bother spending time on another clubs site?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Most of em on here seem alright to me Ron. And Helgy's been around here even when they were shite.

I was on here too, been around for ages.

Quoted from Impish2

I was on here too, been around for ages.

Fair enough.

Quoted from RonMariner

Strange how we now have so many imps on this board after they have had a couple of good seasons. They were notably absent when they were not doing so well.

Why are these guys bothering to spend their time on the board of another club? I guess they are the kind of people who want to crow about their success, or have the occasional gloat.

In other words, pretty sad creatures. It's pathetic, They really should get a life.

I try and only post about Grimsby/Lincoln related stuff. If someone posts things that's not right (who would have thought that on a MB) I try and defend my club like perhaps you would if you didn't think it was true.

If you think that's pathetic and I am pretty sad, that's up to you mate, I do have a life thanks.

Quoted from Impish2

I try and only post about Grimsby/Lincoln related stuff. If someone posts things that's not right (who would have thought that on a MB) I try and defend my club like perhaps you would if you didn't think it was true.

If you think that's pathetic and I am pretty sad, that's up to you mate, I do have a life thanks.

That's fair enough.

But there are those who are really here as wind up merchants or to gloat. That's what I view as pretty sad.

Quoted from Impish2

Can't argue with any of that, I hope we keep the ascendancy for a while yet though.

oh dont make the mistake that my post was imp friendly, it was just a dose of reality... now fk off back to your own board :P

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Think I have heard he is on 3k, quality player though.

3k and he can’t even afford a haircut

Quoted from Impish2

I try and only post about Grimsby/Lincoln related stuff. If someone posts things that's not right (who would have thought that on a MB) I try and defend my club like perhaps you would if you didn't think it was true.

If you think that's pathetic and I am pretty sad, that's up to you mate, I do have a life thanks.

Why are you such a nobhead on 1FF, then? ;)

I’ve no real problems with Lincoln and coming on here despite them being a bit smug, which I’m sure we’d be if we where having the best period ever in our history. I certainly felt that way after winning our first of 7 Wembley visits 20 years ago 😉

Though we’d need a couple of lucky draws/good cup runs to build our band wagon and a wealthy investor to join the board to match them financially I sense that In MJ we just might have found someone who has learnt his trade as a coach at a higher level than St Danny which may just turn the tide on the pitch at least.

Then again I think there is another subtle difference between MJ and “some” contempories as I think MJ has real class and I can’t really imagine him jumping around the technical area and beyond like a possessed baboon.

Your so right Herts, St Danny is an embarrassment on the touch line and that is fact!

Under Jolley with his tactical intelligence and seeming ability to coach a “never say die attitude” I believe this is our best opportunity for some “football fortune” in my lifetime. I hope we can get a really good cup run, make the fourth round and play at Anfield or whatever and put ourselves in the shop window as a club moving forward with a great manager to any prospective new owner.

Quoted from Son of Cod

Why are you such a nobhead on 1FF, then? ;)

Because I am not the one on 1FF!

Quoted from Impish2

Because I am not the one on 1FF!

The one on 1FF is such a wind up merchant, that I am not convinced that this account on here isn't sone kind of long game being played. If you genuinely aren't the one on 1FF you picked a terrible username haha.

Quoted from Son of Cod

The one on 1FF is such a wind up merchant, that I am not convinced that this account on here isn't sone kind of long game being played. If you genuinely aren't the one on 1FF you picked a terrible username haha.

I know there is an Impish on 1FF, it's just unfortunate that he uses that name on there. I was Impish on vitals a long time before 1FF came into existence and Impish 2 before he used it.

Quoted from Impish2

I know there is an Impish on 1FF, it's just unfortunate that he uses that name on there. I was Impish on vitals a long time before 1FF came into existence and Impish 2 before he used it.

Interesting, because that's exactly what someone who was planning on making a good Impish and a bad Impish account and implementing an incredibly long drawn out trolling process would say. Hmmm...

Now we have Whitehouse from The Imps, can't see the need for O'Conner especially at his price. No doubt he will be bound for Sincil Bank now.

Rejected offer from town over the weekend according to Matt Dean twitter.
States that Jolley has a number of other targets he is working on though

I sense that O'Connor is a stand out player and a game changer. That is why MJ is putting a big effort in to sign him. MJ may have other options but can he get someone of his quality?

Signs for Lincoln.

https://forums.vitalfootball.co.uk/threads/michael-oconnor-signs.82209/

Thank god. High wages 2 bad injuries....not for me.

I fully agree mate, I also think this was a done deal along with Whitehouse to us, a while ago.

should bring the Gimps back on here claiming they have the better signing

Whitehouse gonna be a proper handful vs gimps because they've pushed him out the door ?

Was told last Saturday he signed a couple of weeks ago on same day as the new full back came in from Millwall and Lincoln fan couldn’t understand why it had not been announced.

Clearly a good player but the injury he has suffered may make it a player we are better off missing out on, only time will tell.

Alright signing, but his legs have gone and considering he couldn't contain us at Blundell Park could he? ;)

It's a big investment for them that we weren't prepared to go as high as. It feels like with these sorts of players they either pay off really well or it's a waste of time. We've had players with a history of injury issues that did the business when they got here.

Also the opposite where they get injured after a few games and then we never see them. I would have welcomed the signing had we been able to do it but Lincoln wanted him more.

MJ clearly didn't want to break the bank to get this guy. Obviously, if all things were equal contact wise he would have signed for us. Glad we have Whitehouse, trust MJ's judgement here.

He is clearly an upgrade on Elliot, as for injury prone he averages nearly 40 games a season, bar the last one where he had an injury. He would have had a stringent medical, but were he injury prone, Notts would not have offered him 2 improved deals in the last week, their chairman would not have questioned his loyalty were he not upset at leaving, and Jolley would not have offered him to be the best paid player at your club. So as for trusting Jolley he wanted him.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

He is clearly an upgrade on Elliot, as for injury prone he averages nearly 40 games a season, bar the last one where he had an injury. He would have had a stringent medical, but were he injury prone, Notts would not have offered him 2 improved deals in the last week, their chairman would not have questioned his loyalty were he not upset at leaving, and Jolley would not have offered him to be the best paid player at your club. So as for trusting Jolley he wanted him.

You must be very involved, not just in Lincoln City, but football in general to lnow what other clubs contract offers do and do not include. I though i read Notts County saying he goes with their thanks and best wishes but acknowledge that you have access to indepth conversations between 3rd parties

Oh, here we go with the gloating........

You can tell how little success the imps had had in their entire history when, after two good seasons, they are infecting other boards like a rash.

Not sure why they need skilled midfield players though. The main requirement to play for Lincoln is to be able to toe poke the ball 90 yards without it bouncing :)

Quoted from Cloudy

You must be very involved, not just in Lincoln City, but football in general to lnow what other clubs contract offers do and do not include. I though i read Notts County saying he goes with their thanks and best wishes but acknowledge that you have access to indepth conversations between 3rd parties

Their chairman, Hardy kicked off on twitter. Their fans kicked off.
People close to your club said Jolley wanted him, Would be fairly obvious you would have had to have offered him more than most of your team being a captain at a top end L2 club.

Can't have it both ways - We trust Jolley implicitly, he is a messiah. Then when a player chooses us over you, we didn't want him, he is injury prone etc tec - Your manager did want him.

Quoted from RonMariner

Oh, here we go with the gloating........

You can tell how little success the imps had had in their entire history when, after two good seasons, they are infecting other boards like a rash.

Not sure why they need skilled midfield players though. The main requirement to play for Lincoln is to be able to toe poke the ball 90 yards without it bouncing :)

I'm not gloating I am reacting to posts about our player, and I guarantee if he had signed for you, you would have gloated.
Rhead won't start for us next season at all. No one will be happier about that than me.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Their chairman, Hardy kicked off on twitter. Their fans kicked off.
People close to your club said Jolley wanted him, Would be fairly obvious you would have had to have offered him more than most of your team being a captain at a top end L2 club.

Can't have it both ways - We trust Jolley implicitly, he is a messiah. Then when a player chooses us over you, we didn't want him, he is injury prone etc tec - Your manager did want him.

Im not being funny but i couldn't give a flying fook. You want to sign a midfielder on high wages who has had 2 really bad injuries (which have an impact to his game) and was awful at BP...go ahead. I cant help who MJ goes in forim just glad we lost the battle on this one thank god.

And a piece of advice your on a mariners forum so i would be careful what u post. Why are all gumps deluded. 🙄

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

I'm not gloating I am reacting to posts about our player, and I guarantee if he had signed for you, you would have gloated.
Rhead won't start for us next season at all. No one will be happier about that than me.

i guarantee i have never been near your message board and have no intention of ever doing so. That is just weird to me!

I wonder who it was who is 'close' to our club who told you we wanted to sign him ( I have no doubt we expressed interest) and make him our highest paid player?

Seems to me that Lincoln ,like Notts county, are looking at taking another step forward by spending big money and improving thir 'stock' .theyve let the lad go to us because they look to have brought in someone of higher quality. We are a couple of seasons behind. We think we have improved because we've brought in a decent player from a team that made the play offs, which is an improvement on the very average midfield of last season. I would guess o' Connor has chosen the imps because they've outbid us and he sees more chance of success with Lincoln, and given the cowleys track record he's probably not far wrong.
In essence Lincoln are aiming for promotion whereas (IMHO)we are aiming to be play off challengers. And all this is really resting on the hope that Jolley turns out be the messiah . Cue the red crosses........

Quoted from forza ivano

Seems to me that Lincoln ,like Notts county, are looking at taking another step forward by spending big money and improving thir 'stock' .theyve let the lad go to us because they look to have brought in someone of higher quality. We are a couple of seasons behind. We think we have improved because we've brought in a decent player from a team that made the play offs, which is an improvement on the very average midfield of last season. I would guess o' Connor has chosen the imps because they've outbid us and he sees more chance of success with Lincoln, and given the cowleys track record he's probably not far wrong.
In essence Lincoln are aiming for promotion whereas (IMHO)we are aiming to be play off challengers. And all this is really resting on the hope that Jolley turns out be the messiah . Cue the red crosses........

Sorry Forza i red crossed you for being a helmet. Did u not witness the end of the season be positive man 🙄

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

He is clearly an upgrade on Elliot, as for injury prone he averages nearly blah blah blah blah.......................

Bored now. Can we have Helgy back?

Quoted from Meza

Im not being funny but i couldn't give a flying fook. You want to sign a midfielder on high wages who has had 2 really bad injuries (which have an impact to his game) and was awful at BP...go ahead. I cant help who MJ goes in forim just glad we lost the battle on this one thank god.

And a piece of advice your on a mariners forum so i would be careful what u post. Why are all gumps deluded. 🙄

Be careful what you post - Ha ha.. Wow. Careful, why?
Deluded, I think we are grounded as to where we are. But 10 game Jolley is the next pep. Take a day off. I saw you in the middle of the 10 games and you were lucky not to be 5 day down before Elliot thought he was playing for you in goal and gave away a penalty. Also Coventry away was in the middle of that 10 game run. But credit where it was due you got a couple of late penalties, and kept going and deserved to stay up, and I was glad you did. But I don't think our optimism is misplaced - Whereas yours..

Quoted from RoboCod

Bored now. Can we have Helgy back?

I will see him this morning, Want me to tell him you are missing him?.

Have a day off you tedious frigger.

Jesus, Lincoln fans are like that anus up the street with a new car.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Their chairman, Hardy kicked off on twitter. Their fans kicked off.
People close to your club said Jolley wanted him, Would be fairly obvious you would have had to have offered him more than most of your team being a captain at a top end L2 club.

Can't have it both ways - We trust Jolley implicitly, he is a messiah. Then when a player chooses us over you, we didn't want him, he is injury prone etc tec - Your manager did want him.

Look mate, the vast majority of sensible posters on here welcome fans from other clubs coming on here and offering an alternative view and insight.

But you've got to expect flack when you post utter shite like what you've done and claim Jolley offered to make O'Connor our highest paid player, when you've no idea what our current wage structure is like nor indeed what Jolley is working with.  It comes across that you're trying to gloat when in reality you're still in the same division and us and despite all the hyperbole from last season, you finished  11 places above us in one of our worst seasons ever.  You've got the player you wanted, we've got a player we wanted.  Only time will tell who has come out better.

I've got to be totally honest and say I don't recall anything of both Whitehouse or O'Connor from when we've previously met but if O'Connor was part of the Notts County team we played at the back end of last season no-one stood out for them at all.

Looking at purely on paper I like the fact that Jolley is bringing in young, energetic players.  We've already got an experienced midfielder in Woolford plus Summerfield (if he re-signs, which I doubt now). Energy fits in with what Jolley is trying to build here.

Lincoln on the other hand have brought in a 30-year-old to go alongside another midfielder in his 30's in Frecklington.  Now 30 is hardly over the hill but having seen us previously go for players the wrong side of 30 and/or injury records, I definitely feel more comfortable with the route we're going down.

you try to give people the benefit of the doubt but the bloke is as boring as it gets,definitely comes on here gloating when there is nothing to gloat about,chances are lincoln won't go up again but let's just wait and see how it pans out on the pitch...this o connor is just another league 2 player and that's it

He will be in serious risk of neck injury watching that ball whizzing overhead into the corners , Lincolns midfield was just a decoration last season . The amount of gimps posting on here just proved our intellectual superiority to their board .

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

I will see him this morning, Want me to tell him you are missing him?.

Sure, hopefully to replace you. He's respected on here as he was posting on the Fishy through the years BC. (Before Cowley)

Just had a look and O'connor came on as sub against us that day for the last 20 min or so. I don't remember him but only tend to notice oppo players if They are exceptionally good or bad.

Quoted from nealeardleyscrossing

Be careful what you post - Ha ha.. Wow. Careful, why?
Deluded, I think we are grounded as to where we are. But 10 game Jolley is the next pep. Take a day off. I saw you in the middle of the 10 games and you were lucky not to be 5 day down before Elliot thought he was playing for you in goal and gave away a penalty. Also Coventry away was in the middle of that 10 game run. But credit where it was due you got a couple of late penalties, and kept going and deserved to stay up, and I was glad you did. But I don't think our optimism is misplaced - Whereas yours..

Gosh you're a boring individual. We played you away in Jolley's second game in charge. We played Coventry away in his third game in charge. I don't know about you but in my opinion second and third aren't really "in the middle" of a run of nine. Wilkinson was in charge for the Carlisle game although Jolley had been appointed. The fact we went from being pretty shite in those games to completely outplaying Notts County (but how I hear you ask, they had O'Connor in midfield for 20 minutes and he's so good) in the space of two months is testament that MJ did an excellent job given difficult circumstances. You'll also notice that we were in significantly better form than you were by the end of the season but Cowley's a God apparently.

"Pretty Shite"? We were absolutely garbage in the majority of the games in that 20 game winless run. This is why I'm not overly optimistic about this season, players like Rose, Hooper and Woolford were terrible for the majority of the season and that cannot be discounted, I would be surprised if they maintained their great end of season form over the full season. Don't get me wrong I think we'll improve this season but I would be very happy with a midtable season where we are never in any danger of going down. The squad still badly lacks creativity and goals based on our signings so far.

Quoted from Meza

Sorry Forza i red crossed you for being a helmet. Did u not witness the end of the season be positive man 🙄

You mean the part where we barely scraped survival from a relegation dogfight? Lincoln had a successful season and we didn't. For a group of fans who supposively don't care about Lincoln you sure get butt hurt when reminded of them having a successful season in League Two while we struggled. It's time to stop putting glitter on dog excrement and admit it was bad even if MJ becoming manager meant we were able to survive there is a lot of work to do this coming season if we are to avoid that situation happening again. We need to establish ourselves as a League Two team while Lincoln already have.

Quoted from Kris2

You mean the part where we barely scraped survival from a relegation dogfight? Lincoln had a successful season and we didn't. For a group of fans who supposively don't care about Lincoln you sure get butt hurt when reminded of them having a successful season in League Two while we struggled. It's time to stop putting glitter on dog excrement and admit it was bad even if MJ becoming manager meant we were able to survive there is a lot of work to do this coming season if we are to avoid that situation happening again. We need to establish ourselves as a League Two team while Lincoln already have.

Of course it was a terrible season im not as deluded as the gimps. But im also aware what MJ did as well especially when his predecessor couldn't manage a pish up in a brewery lol. The comment was meant to be tongue in cheek but i didn't add sny smileys so it looked rather aggressive post.

Sorrg Forza it was meant to been a nice post 😁

Quoted from Meza

Of course it was a terrible season im not as deluded as the gimps. But im also aware what MJ did as well especially when his predecessor couldn't manage a pish up in a brewery lol. The comment was meant to be tongue in cheek but i didn't add sny smileys so it looked rather aggressive post.

Sorrg Forza it was meant to been a nice post 😁

no worries meza. i saw lincoln, cov, wycombe, swindon and fgr under jolley. the vast majority of the improvement was down to hard work, fitness and organisation rather then any inherent flair. FGR was good but was a meaningless match.
from this, and because we haven't got anyone who can score goals i think upper mid table is the realistic aim at present

Quoted from forza ivano

no worries meza. i saw lincoln, cov, wycombe, swindon and fgr under jolley. the vast majority of the improvement was down to hard work, fitness and organisation rather then any inherent flair. FGR was good but was a meaningless match.
from this, and because we haven't got anyone who can score goals i think upper mid table is the realistic aim at present

Your right mate he started with the basics and i hazard a guess any new manager should do the same when they first come in. But for me playoffs will be great and you might be righr with mid table. After all we dont have alot of goals in the team atm. Maybe Robles might be like that coventry player marc mcnulty.

Quoted from Meza

Your right mate he started with the basics and i hazard a guess any new manager should do the same when they first come in. But for me playoffs will be great and you might be righr with mid table. After all we dont have alot of goals in the team atm. Maybe Robles might be like that coventry player marc mcnulty.

if robles can't score goals in the tercera division, think its most unlikely he's going to get many in a division that is 3 or 4 steps higher

I reckon once Cardwell gets one that goes in off his bottom, knee, ear, wherever then he could be a capable goalscorer. He just needs that one to go in and give him a boost.

Quoted from forza ivano

if robles can't score goals in the tercera division, think its most unlikely he's going to get many in a division that is 3 or 4 steps higher

Could be horses for courses though. I well remember Manchester United buying Gary Birtles for an eye watering fee (then) of £1,500,000 and he couldn't score at all for them - think it was about a year before he got his first goal if I remember rightly. Did the biz before and after United though, and didn't do too abdly at BP come the twilight of his career? Oh for another signing like that....

It's such a competitive market to get players in and expensive a lot of fans think we should be able to sign Stockley from Exeter.

They would want £750k then its wages ,signing on fee we just can't afford that, think fans need to lower their expectations.

Quoted from Helgy

It's such a competitive market to get players in and expensive a lot of fans think we should be able to sign Stockley from Exeter.

They would want £750k then its wages ,signing on fee we just can't afford that, think fans need to lower their expectations.

Hi Helgy, good to see you posting occasionally!

Your post sums up some of the problems, in that fans expect clubs to pay stupid fees and wages for 4th tier players.
Clubs cave in to players/agents demands but if they dont they get left behind.
It is such a gamble to try and build a team with locals and rough diamonds because although it is more likely to be within a sustainable budget it is also most likely to exclude you from a genuine promotion challenge, initially at least.

Clubs need to include fans in a long term plan as opposed to using new found riches to justventice the better players

UTM

People (fans) are always very good at spending other peoples money

Quoted from Cloudy

Hi Helgy, good to see you posting occasionally!

Your post sums up some of the problems, in that fans expect clubs to pay stupid fees and wages for 4th tier players.
Clubs cave in to players/agents demands but if they dont they get left behind.
It is such a gamble to try and build a team with locals and rough diamonds because although it is more likely to be within a sustainable budget it is also most likely to exclude you from a genuine promotion challenge, initially at least.

Clubs need to include fans in a long term plan as opposed to using new found riches to justventice the better players

UTM

Its so tough but once in a while a talented bunch will come through together,agents are so much behind player unrest its easy to see why.
When a player is on 600 a week agent gets 60 quid ,agent then pushes the player towards a L1 club and then gets 2-300 a week.

Getting the fans onboard has been a factor with our success,right now all the local businesses are engaging with the club and also want to get involved in what i do with the fans scheme.
Once there is a them and us the club will be always divided ,we don't have that right now.

Quoted from forza ivano

if robles can't score goals in the tercera division, think its most unlikely he's going to get many in a division that is 3 or 4 steps higher

Did Harry Kane set the world alight at any of his loan clubs ? Put him in a Premier League side and ... booooom !!!

Some strikers can do it alone, some need chances to thrive on....not saying Robles is going to turn out that good but sometimes players just find the right place to be...our own Podge Amond for instance.

Wont judge him until i see him.