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Posted by: Les Brechin, May 16, 2018, 3:30pm
Much as expected really. Anyone you'd have left out/brought in if you were picking the squad?

Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Nick Pope (Burnley).

Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Kyle Walker, John Stones (Manchester City), Harry Maguire (Leicester), Kieran Trippier, Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Phil Jones, Ashley Young (Manchester United), Fabian Delph (Manchester City).

Midfielders: Eric Dier, Dele Alli (both Tottenham Hotspur), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Ruben Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea).

Forwards: Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) Harry Kane (Tottenham).

Standby: Tom Heaton, James Tarkowski (Burnley), Lewis Cook (Bournemouth), Jake Livermore (West Brom) and Adam Lallana (Liverpool).
Posted by: Abdul19, May 16, 2018, 3:39pm; Reply: 1
Good to see Alexander-Arnold and Loftus-Cheek in there. I'd replace Welbeck with JJ Hooper though.

Also, I know he's only a standby, but Livermore?!

I expect to see us being beaten by a James Rodriguez strike in the last 16.
Posted by: ginnywings, May 16, 2018, 3:45pm; Reply: 2
Looks heavy on defenders to me? Suppose Delph can play in midfield if needed, but that midfield looks threadbare to me. Loftus-Cheek doesn't have much experience of playing, never mind playing in the world's biggest tournament. Think i would have taken Shelvey and ditched a defender.

When i look at crucial areas of the squad, it doesn't look good enough to me. Central defence and central midfield looks vulnerable, but i'm not sure there are any better out there. If we get to the Belgium game needing something, i would be worried about our chances of progressing.
Posted by: Mighty_Mariner, May 16, 2018, 3:48pm; Reply: 3
Gary Cahill over Chris Smalling šŸ˜±
Posted by: jimgtfc, May 16, 2018, 3:57pm; Reply: 4
Iā€™d have taken Wilshere, played 38 times this season which is the most for a long time and more than Ruben Loftus-Cheek has managed, and heā€™s played well in a struggling Arsenal side.
Posted by: ackomariner, May 16, 2018, 4:00pm; Reply: 5
Would leave Stones and Young at home for a start, shite the pair of them
Posted by: Ipswin, May 16, 2018, 4:02pm; Reply: 6
As this is about England shouldn't it be moved to Non football section
Posted by: Skrill, May 16, 2018, 4:17pm; Reply: 7
Midfield is pretty dire.
Posted by: supertown, May 16, 2018, 4:19pm; Reply: 8
Quoted from Mighty_Mariner
Gary Cahill over Chris Smalling šŸ˜±


All day long , smalling is a total liability
Posted by: supertown, May 16, 2018, 4:21pm; Reply: 9
I would have taken lallana , I know he has been injured this season but he is supposed to be fit now . Gives you extra movement and he was player of the tournament for England last time out
Posted by: GrimRob, May 16, 2018, 4:21pm; Reply: 10
Hopefully a few of them will be getting knighthoods  :)
Posted by: Maringer, May 16, 2018, 4:41pm; Reply: 11
I don't imagine too many teams will be exactly quaking in their boots after looking through that list of players.

My expectations are very low this time around so, who knows, maybe we'll do better than expected?

I think Southgate is eager to pick a young team to develop. Problem is, I don't think most of that list will ever develop into world-class players.

Hopefully, Kane isn't completely knackered this time around and Alli will do something more than commit a few sly fouls whilst attempting (and failing) to backheel/flick an outrageous pass through when simply controlling the ball is a better option. I wonder how many times Sterling will go on a promising run before shinning his shot hopelessly high and/or wide?
Posted by: sonofmadeleymariner, May 16, 2018, 4:45pm; Reply: 12
Delph and Welbeck wouldn't be near the squad for me. Shelvey and Llanna instead.
Posted by: golfer, May 16, 2018, 5:00pm; Reply: 13
Would leave Dier back home and take Wilshere. Not sure about Welbeck nor Delph
Posted by: Bigdog, May 16, 2018, 5:01pm; Reply: 14
Shame Joe Gomez has had an op, then we could have left Cahill at home.

If Lallana's fit enough to be on standby, he'd be in my squad instead of Welbeck.

Big fan of Wilshere, but he's been either outstanding or poor this season, I'd have gambled by taking him as he's different to the rest, but I guess GS has gone for Delph's strength and reliability.

And I'd prefer Bertrand to Young.

Squad lacks a bit of class at centre half (Stones apart) and inventiveness in centre mid for me, but GS's ethos of team ethic over outstanding individuals will probably achieve a bit more than people would expect..
Posted by: moosey_club, May 16, 2018, 5:07pm; Reply: 15
Quoted from golfer
Would leave Dier back home and take Wilshere. Not sure about Welbeck nor Delph


Whooahhh....who are we gonna turn to when we need a mistimed 20 yd sliding tackle if Dier isn't in the squad ?  Think on Golfer.

This is England.
Posted by: dapperz fun pub, May 16, 2018, 5:09pm; Reply: 16
Quoted from Mighty_Mariner
Gary Cahill over Chris Smalling šŸ˜±


Both make regular mistakes so either or for me
Posted by: Posh Harry, May 16, 2018, 5:15pm; Reply: 17
I would have taken both Wiltshire and Llana (as someone has said if he is fit enough to be on standby then he should be seen as fit enough to be in the main squad). Massive lack of creativity in that midfield which means that our main attacking options are either overlapping full backs, or hoping Alli does something clever and seeing as he hasnā€™t had a great season we are really clutching at straws with respect to goal scoring options.
Posted by: horsforthmariner, May 16, 2018, 5:28pm; Reply: 18
it's probably the best squad we've sent out since 2006. But thats because we've sent absolutely dog excrement to the last two world cups.

It's says a lot about the academy structure that we don't have a single international class keeper, only Kyle Walker you would say has genuine international pedigree in our defence and we don't have a single world class midfielder ( maybe Alli will become one).
Posted by: Stew0_0, May 16, 2018, 5:35pm; Reply: 19
Surprised Oxlade-Chamberlain and walcott arent at least on the reserves. Had good seasons
Posted by: oochiad, May 16, 2018, 5:41pm; Reply: 20
God I hope I donā€™t draw England in the sweepstake!
Posted by: Les Brechin, May 16, 2018, 5:45pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Stew0_0
Surprised Oxlade-Chamberlain and walcott arent at least on the reserves. Had good seasons


Isn't AOC injured?
Posted by: topuphere666, May 16, 2018, 5:48pm; Reply: 22
Yea Chamberlin is injured. I would have taken Smalling over Phil Jones. CS has his moments of madness but is a threat at attacking corners
Posted by: Ruston AT, May 16, 2018, 6:10pm; Reply: 23
Fabian Delph can't we do better than that!
Posted by: Madeleymariner, May 16, 2018, 6:10pm; Reply: 24
Why Delph or Young neither have been outstanding this year, would have liked Wilshire in the squad, not going to be an exciting quick passing team is it. Can we give Mo Salah a shave, change his name and give him a free passport.
Posted by: Maringer, May 16, 2018, 6:11pm; Reply: 25
Smalling is a better defender than Cahill or Jones for me, but always looks as though he's likely to trip over the ball when it's at his feet. Southgate wants us to pass the ball around at the back so those two get the nod. I wonder how many 'moments' Stones will have, assuming he ends up as a starter? Don't mind Maguire as he's decent on the ball but perhaps a little slow for top level international football.
Posted by: Meza, May 16, 2018, 6:32pm; Reply: 26
bit overkill on the fullback area for me.  I'd have dropped Delph & Trippier  for Lallana & Shelvey

Trippier - RB
Alexander-Arnold - RB \ MF
Young - LB \ RB \ WG
Delph LB \ MF
Walker RB \ DF
Rose LB
Posted by: Posh Harry, May 16, 2018, 6:59pm; Reply: 27
Have to say I disagree about people saying Smalling over Jones or Cahill. Imo smalling is a liability as a defender, not only has he got a massive mistake in him, his only way of defending at a corner is to hold onto the opponent by his shirt. Not even got the intelligence to try and hide it. A clued up ref would likely give at least one penalty against him. How the hell he gets away with it in the premier league just shows you how poor the referees are in this country and how small their balls are.
Posted by: hheh2, May 16, 2018, 7:10pm; Reply: 28
Tells alot when crap like Gary Cahill and Jordan Henderson make the squad because there is noone better than them  ;D
Posted by: Gaffer58, May 16, 2018, 7:36pm; Reply: 29
The midfield is very average, Henderson makes dear old Wilkins look attacking.
Posted by: Caveman, May 16, 2018, 7:36pm; Reply: 30
Well ! The goalkeepers have had plenty of practice this season.
Posted by: Bigdog, May 16, 2018, 7:44pm; Reply: 31
To be fair, I don't mind Henderson at all. Underrated or maybe doesn't stand out because of the nature of his role in the team. Great engine and more than capable at winning the ball back quickly, which is an unsung art form in itself..
Posted by: SteffiMariner, May 16, 2018, 8:47pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from Bigdog
To be fair, I don't mind Henderson at all. Underrated or maybe doesn't stand out because of the nature of his role in the team. Great engine and more than capable at winning the ball back quickly, which is an unsung art form in itself..


Yep, to me he is England's Stacy Coldicott. Gets slagged off to intercourse by most fans yet the team miss him when he's not there.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, May 16, 2018, 8:49pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Les Brechin
Much as expected really. Anyone you'd have left out/brought in if you were picking the squad?

Goalkeepers: Jack Butland (Stoke), Jordan Pickford (Everton), Nick Pope (Burnley).

Defenders: Trent Alexander-Arnold (Liverpool), Gary Cahill (Chelsea), Kyle Walker, John Stones (Manchester City), Harry Maguire (Leicester), Kieran Trippier, Danny Rose (Tottenham Hotspur), Phil Jones, Ashley Young (Manchester United), Fabian Delph (Manchester City).

Midfielders: Eric Dier, Dele Alli (both Tottenham Hotspur), Jesse Lingard (Manchester United), Jordan Henderson (Liverpool), Ruben Loftus-Cheek (Chelsea).

Forwards: Jamie Vardy (Leicester), Marcus Rashford (Manchester United), Raheem Sterling (Manchester City), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal) Harry Kane (Tottenham).

Standby: Tom Heaton, James Tarkowski (Burnley), Lewis Cook (Bournemouth), Jake Livermore (West Brom) and Adam Lallana (Liverpool).


Crikey. I'm out of touch. I've never heard of any of the players underlined.

Not sure I'd be brave enough to pick a defender called Trippier. That's asking for trouble.
Posted by: KingstonMariner, May 16, 2018, 8:52pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from Skrill
Midfield is pretty dire.


I thought it was spelt Dier. And whether or not he's pretty is a matter of taste.
Posted by: Rodley Mariner, May 16, 2018, 9:16pm; Reply: 35
We always focus on what everyone can't do. Klopp keeps picking Henderson for a reason.
Posted by: ex-merseymariner, May 16, 2018, 10:06pm; Reply: 36
cant believe Cook and Livermore are on standby ahead of Shelvey, even Barkley, or Tom Davies.

Shocked he has taken Jones Young Delph and Rose; thought 2 of those would make it.  Would take Lallana instead of Rose.
Posted by: promotion plaice, May 16, 2018, 10:20pm; Reply: 37

Everyone is expecting us to do shite.....so there's no pressure this time....we're going to win it  ;)

Then again I also thought Town would be in safe hands under RS.
Posted by: ginnywings, May 16, 2018, 10:32pm; Reply: 38
We can all say this player and that player should have gone, and pick fault with some of those chosen, but they are all much of a muchness really. We don't have many, if any, truly great players, so i think Southgate is going for youth and teamwork, hoping to build a side and a philosophy, instead of a team of "the best players". At least he is trying to get them to keep possession, rather than "just lump it to a big man" as we have done in the past. We actually looked not bad the last time we played, so it will be interesting to see how we fare in a tournament with Southgate at the helm. We can't do much worse than last time out.
Posted by: supertown, May 16, 2018, 10:52pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from KingstonMariner


Crikey. I'm out of touch. I've never heard of any of the players underlined.

Not sure I'd be brave enough to pick a defender called Trippier. That's asking for trouble.


You canā€™t be much of a football fan then, even if you donā€™t have sky you canā€™t fail to have heard of all of these players
Posted by: Mikey_345, May 17, 2018, 12:15am; Reply: 40
On one hand players are excluded from the 23 with the reasoning that it must be on ā€œmeritā€. Then we name Welbeck in the squad, I think I saw someone point out on Twitter Ramos has scored more goals in the last 10 years than him.

Plus Heston and Livermore on standby - yet Heston has been injured and has not played huge part of the season and Livermore has been poor for a very bad West Brom Side.

Delph has played 1 game this season in midfield and the rest as a left back (hardly keeps wilshere, shelvy, lalana out on merit). So donā€™t think you can consider him a midfielder.

Main concern I have is IMO thereā€™s only Dier and Henderson who Iā€™d consider as proper centre midfielders. If one of those gets injured we are in real trouble. We do look very weak centrally so Iā€™d have definitely taken Wilshere. (Never thought Iā€™d say I wished Milner was available still - been in good form this year)

Iā€™d hazard a guess that lalana will end up going. Usually one player gets injured in the build up before team is confirmed.

That being said Iā€™ve liked our squads in the recent passed and look how weā€™ve played so happy to give Southgate benefit of the doubt until proved otherwise.
Posted by: ginnywings, May 17, 2018, 1:57am; Reply: 41
The thing with Welbeck is that he has a knack of scoring goals for England. Without checking, i reckon he will be the highest goalscorer for England among the squad. He usually plays well for the national side.
Posted by: Abdul19, May 17, 2018, 7:06am; Reply: 42
Yeah on looking you're right. 15 in 37 (Kane has 12 in 23). Only got 2 since 2014 though (although I'm guessing he's not played too many?)

I'd still take JJ Hooper instead though!
Posted by: 1mickylyons, May 17, 2018, 7:12am; Reply: 43
For the first time in my lifetime they travel to a major tournament with zero expectations on them from the press or the public.Arguably they have only one World Class player and he is unproven at that level (Kane) but Argentina 86 proved you can win a World Cup with such a squad.When you look at how the draws likely to pan out assuming England get through the group stages it would see them face the Germans and beat them nobody to fear.
Posted by: Mariner93er, May 17, 2018, 7:27am; Reply: 44
Does anyone remember Sterling's ghost goal against Italy in the last world cup. I remember going crazy shouting 'we're going to win the world cup' before one of my friends pointed out it was a goal kick. I hope that doesnt happen again.
Posted by: 1mickylyons, May 17, 2018, 8:26am; Reply: 45
Quoted from Mariner93er
Does anyone remember Sterling's ghost goal against Italy in the last world cup. I remember going crazy shouting 'we're going to win the world cup' before one of my friends pointed out it was a goal kick. I hope that doesnt happen again.


I thought Chris Waddle`s penalty went in V Germany in 1990 I wondered WTF was the matter with everyone :'(
Posted by: Posh Harry, May 17, 2018, 8:50am; Reply: 46
Quoted from 1mickylyons


I thought Chris Waddle`s penalty went in V Germany in 1990 I wondered WTF was the matter with everyone :'(


Not sure thatā€™s come down yet
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