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Quoted from MuddyWaters

Met him last summer, couldn't have been nicer, wish him & all the ex-Mariners all the best.

Same, when I met him he was very polite. Whatever we may think players really like him and more importantly respect him hence that’s why he’s had success and potentially more to come.

I won’t be watching though as part of me thinks to a degree we could be pushing for success if the club hadn’t got the last 2 years wrong.

Anyway really optimistic about MJ and can’t wait till next season

Henderson is quality for his age. Commanding on the crosses, he’s got a big future ahead of him if he carries on. He’ll probbaly stay with Shrews if they go up.

Great goal Shrewsbury.

2 up over 2 legs it’s time to bring parslow on ;)

Shrews sub in the 68th minute.
Who’d have thought it 😉

Would be nice to see us Shrews beat scunny next but I think the script is written for a Hurst vs Rotherham final

Quoted from Civvy at last

Shrews sub in the 68th minute.
Who’d have thought it 😉

He's changed....2 minutes too early.

Everytime that No34 Dijksteel or whats his name gets tackled he falls over with his hands in the air. I'd have sent him off in the first half

PH has Paul Hurst way in Shrewsbury. They love him ;D

He’s done a cracking job.

I think we are going to agree he's a good manager

I’m just waiting for them to lose the final and someone will say “See, told you he were shite, always the nearly man”.

I hope he enjoys the irony of losing to Rotherham in the final. Maybe he can cup his ear to their fans, and claim a new Wembley ear cupping record.

Commentator mentioned division 1 gets approx £1 million tv money whilst championship gets approx £7 million, so Jolley has 2 successful seasons and we can pay Fenty's benign loans off.

I can’t believe how people feel about a bit of ear cupping. The bloke got us back in the league.
It’s never even been explained what was meant by it. In his time he brought a professionalism to the pitch that had long been absent from the club and soon disappeared after he left. Lot of childish grudges about one nothing incident.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I can’t believe how people feel about a bit of ear cupping. The bloke got us back in the league.
It’s never even been explained what was meant by it. In his time he brought a professionalism to the pitch that had long been absent from the club and soon disappeared after he left. Lot of childish grudges about one nothing incident.

Agree, then if the POF was the only game you went to all season then maybe you’d be more offended ;)

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I can’t believe how people feel about a bit of ear cupping. The bloke got us back in the league.
It’s never even been explained what was meant by it. In his time he brought a professionalism to the pitch that had long been absent from the club and soon disappeared after he left. Lot of childish grudges about one nothing incident.

Ooh alright....calm down a bit. It's just a bit of fun really - a bit of a poke - imagining that he might be beaten at Wembley by the club he devoted his playing career to. I make no apology for being ambivalent about Hurst. I don't wish him ill and I don't wish him success. Pretty much how I felt when he left really.

I must say though....I like your idea that you demonstrate 'professionalism' by running up the touch line in the very throes of victory and cup your ear at your own supporters. No. Definitely not 'childish'. In my book, the 'professional' thing is to not do that.

Hey ho.....

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I can’t believe how people feel about a bit of ear cupping. The bloke got us back in the league.
It’s never even been explained what was meant by it. In his time he brought a professionalism to the pitch that had long been absent from the club and soon disappeared after he left. Lot of childish grudges about one nothing incident.

You deserve post of the week

Quoted from chaos33

Ooh alright....calm down a bit. It's just a bit of fun really - a bit of a poke - imagining that he might be beaten at Wembley by the club he devoted his playing career to. I make no apology for being ambivalent about Hurst. I don't wish him ill and I don't wish him success. Pretty much how I felt when he left really.

I must say though....I like your idea that you demonstrate 'professionalism' by running up the touch line in the very throes of victory and cup your ear at your own supporters. No. Definitely not 'childish'. In my book, the 'professional' thing is to not do that.

Hey ho.....

It wasn’t necessarily aimed at yourself.

I was too busy celebrating to notice it on the day. In terms of professionalism i was talking about the players who were in the main fit, organised, committed and not excrement.

The majority of whom would also run through walls/possibly kill for each other. The final two seasons in non-league were brilliant from a team spirit point of view. We hadn’t seen that in nearly twenty years before then.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

I can’t believe how people feel about a bit of ear cupping. The bloke got us back in the league.
It’s never even been explained what was meant by it. In his time he brought a professionalism to the pitch that had long been absent from the club and soon disappeared after he left. Lot of childish grudges about one nothing incident.

Hurst's promotion left a lot of people on here feeling a bit daft. Many had relentlessly insisted that Hurst would never get us promoted. Anyone who thought he could were the 'rose tinted specs brigade'. For the best fans in the world (self proclaimed) we really do our best to undermine the manager or board or whoever we've got it in for at any particular time.

Quoted from Gaffer58

Commentator mentioned division 1 gets approx £1 million tv money whilst championship gets approx £7 million, so Jolley has 2 successful seasons and we can pay Fenty's benign loans off.

If only it worked that way. Everyone gets £7m so you need to spend it just to have a hope of matching everyone else's wages. Even if it was ten times amount that it would all be spent on wages. Whenever clubs get a new source of income all that happens is the players' wages go up by an equivalent amount.

Quoted from MeanwoodMariner

Hurst's promotion left a lot of people on here feeling a bit daft. Many had relentlessly insisted that Hurst would never get us promoted. Anyone who thought he could be the 'rose tinted specs brigade'. For the best fans in the world (self-proclaimed) we really do our best to undermine the manager or board or whoever we've got it in for at any particular time.

Our supporters were in denial about just how good PH was and is. I was a big fan of his, but had we not beaten FGR I would have probably expected someone else to get a chance (largely because reading on a daily basis on here all his "faults" I had started to half believe them) . Thank God we did because I'm not sure anyone else would have managed promotion from that league in the two years since.

Quoted from GrimRob

If only it worked that way. Everyone gets £7m so you need to spend it just to have a hope of matching everyone else's wages. Even if it was ten times amount that it would all be spent on wages. Whenever clubs get a new source of income all that happens is the players' wages go up by an equivalent amount.

I get this, but I wonder if we'd ever be brave enough to plan for our long-term future, i.e. don't spunk it all on wages - just get the best from very average players at that level on sensible wages... if we go down, which would be likely, we'd have a few million in the bank and a head start on anyone else in League 1.

It wouldn't appease the fans in the short term, but a bit of yoyo-ing could set us up very strongly for many years to come. Not enough football clubs act like this because of the pressure modern football puts on achieving success right here, right now.

Quoted from RichMariner

I get this, but I wonder if we'd ever be brave enough to plan for our long-term future, i.e. don't spunk it all on wages - just get the best from very average players at that level on sensible wages... if we go down, which would be likely, we'd have a few million in the bank and a head start on anyone else in League 1.

It wouldn't appease the fans in the short term, but a bit of yoyo-ing could set us up very strongly for many years to come. Not enough football clubs act like this because of the pressure modern football puts on achieving success right here, right now.

If it was any other business a long-term strategy would make sense, but football is not a business! No chairman is ever going to be popular squirrelling money away for the future, so they have a good kitty when they get relegated. Relegation is the one thing everyone wants to avoid (even if it means playing in a league where you lose more often because everyone is that much bigger).

I think Burnley under Dyche are the exception to that rule, Rob. When they went up to the PL (for the second time) they kept as much money as they could and invested it in youth and club development. Got relegated and now spend the money on players to stay up. I suppose in a way like what Lincoln have done with their Cup cash but on a much grander scale. If we ever made it to the big time I’d be happy for us to invest in the future if we only had one season in the top flight.

People forget he had to drive past a “Hurst out” banner on the way to Braintree and got dogs abuse.

Well done Paul

Personally never claimed he was a bad manager. It was though very poor to take the urine like that on a day that should have been about unbridled joy. You celebrate your victories with dignity, he chose that moment to stick two fingers up, the chippy little twit.
Once again that doesn’t make him any less effective as a manager, just more of a twit.

Quoted from GrimRob

If only it worked that way. Everyone gets £7m so you need to spend it just to have a hope of matching everyone else's wages. Even if it was ten times amount that it would all be spent on wages. Whenever clubs get a new source of income all that happens is the players' wages go up by an equivalent amount.

OR we Could get promoted to the championship, pay Fenty off. Get a nice healthy bank balance and get new investors in and not increase the playing budget to greatly the first season. If we go down then we're back in league 1, with fresh beginnings, no debt. If we somehow survive on a shoe string budget then we move forward from there.

Hurst got loads of abuse from Town fans, he kept quiet and then when he had the chance he gave a little dig back.

He's human.

Mitch Rose gave a 'sssh' signal to the Pontoon after he scored a crucial penalty a few weeks back, no doubt in response to some of the criticism he's received.  Again, he's human.

Cupping of the ear, raising a finger to a closed mouth....it's hardly offensive is it!  Not compared to some of the abuse thrown at them.

Absolute non-issue and it still seems to upset people, 24 months on and 3 managers down the line.

Well done to Hurst and The Shrews.  I thought Charlton would do them over the two legs.

Having watched the scunts game versus Rotherham I think Shrewsbury look better than both of those and will win the final, then I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped a division to take the Sunderland job

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Having watched the scunts game versus Rotherham I think Shrewsbury look better than both of those and will win the final, then I wouldn't be surprised if he dropped a division to take the Sunderland job

Interesting shout. No doubt they could offer a very attractive pay packet but surely he'd love a crack at the Championship.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

Personally never claimed he was a bad manager. It was though very poor to take the urine like that on a day that should have been about unbridled joy. You celebrate your victories with dignity, he chose that moment to stick two fingers up, the chippy little twit.
Once again that doesn’t make him any less effective as a manager, just more of a twit.

It's a good thing social media wasn't around when Buckley was in charge as he too was a 'chippy little tw@t' and would probably have been dismayed by comments on sites such as this one, and tempted to leave the club.

Hurst brought us back from the wilderness despite the antagonism towards him by some people. Then when he left, we spent the next 18 months in freefall to the point where we were once again teetering on the edge of non-league oblivion.

Yes, we were spoilt.

But we never fukking learn , do we?

Most of the Shrewsbury players are shitting themselves in case they win at Wembley and they are in the 80% of the squad which Hurst will immediately decide are just not good enough for the next step up.

https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2016/may/retained-list-announced-/

Players Released

Callum Bastock - No longer in the professional game
Danny East - Guiesley
Gregor Robertson - Retired
Craig Clay - Leyton Orient
Anthony Straker - Bath City
Marcus Marshall - Last seen at Hyde United
Andy Monkhouse - Whitby Town
Josh Sunter - Grimsby Borough
Jon-Paul Pittman - Transfer listed by relegated Torquay
Conor Henderson - Pirin Blagoevgrad in Bulgaria.

Just out of curiosity, who of those would you have wanted to keep?

East Clay and Marshall

I note you conveniently omit those Hurst and Fenty allowed to leave without a fight by not offering a sufficient incentive to stay. Nolan (now doing absolutely brilliantly at Shrews) Toto, Amond, Tait, Arnold

Let these Amond, Arnold rubbish go! We offered Amond a contract, he hasn't torn up any trees in the league since. Nolan had already agreed to go to a L1 club. We offered Arnold £25 extra a week, that's all and Lincoln offered him £200 more. Hurst saw Arnold as a squad player and he was deemed not good enough for Cambridge and Lincoln for league football. Tait was offered triple wages in the SPL and he's from Scotland and some of our "fans" racially abused and gave Toto dreadful stick for 2 years despite him now being a potential Championship defender next season!

I didn't omit anyone, they're on the link I provided as players who the club made contract offers to.

As Mariner_09 points out Arnold has proven (as he did before he came to us) that he's a Conference player.  I really liked Nathan, I thought he was a highly talented lad with a great work ethic and he came across absolutely brilliantly.  But 3 years on the bounce he was promoted from the Conference before finding himself farmed out somewhere else.

Amond we should have kept, there's no two ways about it.  He hasn't ripped up trees at this level but he's better than anyone else we've brought in since.  Hurst offered him a contract as early as January of that year, even though we didn't now what league we were in.  Amond gambled that he could get a better deal if he helped us to promotion.  That backfired so we gambled on getting a better replacement, which also backfired.  Hurst still tried to keep him though.

Tait we no chance of keeping.  Even if we broke our wage structure for him, he wasn't going to stay.

Toto and Nolan - two players he clearly felt were not good enough for League Two that he signed for his promotion chasing League One side.

I would have kept Clay, for no other reason than he was no worse than the guys we replaced him with.  But that's not to say he's good enough for the league either.  East and Marshall?  Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!

Quoted from diehardmariner

I didn't omit anyone, they're on the link I provided as players who the club made contract offers to.

As Mariner_09 points out Arnold has proven (as he did before he came to us) that he's a Conference player.  I really liked Nathan, I thought he was a highly talented lad with a great work ethic and he came across absolutely brilliantly.  But 3 years on the bounce he was promoted from the Conference before finding himself farmed out somewhere else.

Amond we should have kept, there's no two ways about it.  He hasn't ripped up trees at this level but he's better than anyone else we've brought in since.  Hurst offered him a contract as early as January of that year, even though we didn't now what league we were in.  Amond gambled that he could get a better deal if he helped us to promotion.  That backfired so we gambled on getting a better replacement, which also backfired.  Hurst still tried to keep him though.

Tait we no chance of keeping.  Even if we broke our wage structure for him, he wasn't going to stay.

Toto and Nolan - two players he clearly felt were not good enough for League Two that he signed for his promotion chasing League One side.

I would have kept Clay, for no other reason than he was no worse than the guys we replaced him with.  But that's not to say he's good enough for the league either.  East and Marshall?  Brilliant, absolutely brilliant!

Not sure I understand the highlighted bit?

Hurst would definetly wanted to keep both. He thought Toto was by far the best defender at the club but equally knew how Toto felt about the abuse. Sensitive guy, nothing wrong with that and he wanted to move on where he felt he might be more appreciated/loved.
Nolan was offered a 3(?) year deal at a League One club. We were never ever going to compete with that

Quoted from Mariner_09

Let these Amond, Arnold rubbish go!

Let it go?

For felicitations sake there are still twits on here wobbling on about ITV Digital, stuff Fenty got wrong 10+ years ago, Buckley, Woods and even the referee at the Bristol Rovers playoff final

Losing Amond, Nolan et al was a) a bit more important and b) a lot more recent!

Quoted from Ipswin

East Clay and Marshall

I note you conveniently omit those Hurst and Fenty allowed to leave without a fight by not offering a sufficient incentive to stay. Nolan (now doing absolutely brilliantly at Shrews) Toto, Amond, Tait, Arnold

You've come out with some shite before but my God that tops the lot ;D

Quoted from Cloudy

Not sure I understand the highlighted bit?

Hurst would definetly wanted to keep both. He thought Toto was by far the best defender at the club but equally knew how Toto felt about the abuse. Sensitive guy, nothing wrong with that and he wanted to move on where he felt he might be more appreciated/loved.
Nolan was offered a 3(?) year deal at a League One club. We were never ever going to compete with that

It was a tongue-in-cheek in response to Swin saying Hurst let them go without a fight, as in he didn't rate them enough for us but was happy for them to be key parts in his Shrewsbury side.

I understood it, Hurst probably did try everything to keep Nolan and Toto because he picks them every week in a side that are one step from the Championship. They both left for differing but justifiable reasons.

Toto looked outstanding in what I saw of those Charlton games. Think he'll be playing in the Championship soon one way or another.

PH named League One Manager Of The Season.

Normally 9 times out of 10 it'll go to the manager of the champions.

https://www.shropshirestar.com/sport/football/shrewsbury-town-fc/2018/05/14/shrewsbury-boss-paul-hurst-receives-league-one-manager-of-the-season-award/

Bearing in mind what a curse the Manager of the Month award tends to be, I'm putting my house on a defeat for the Shrews in the play-off final! :)

Quoted from Mariner_09

Let these Amond, Arnold rubbish go! We offered Amond a contract, he hasn't torn up any trees in the league since. Nolan had already agreed to go to a L1 club. We offered Arnold £25 extra a week, that's all and Lincoln offered him £200 more. Hurst saw Arnold as a squad player and he was deemed not good enough for Cambridge and Lincoln for league football. Tait was offered triple wages in the SPL and he's from Scotland and some of our "fans" racially abused and gave Toto dreadful stick for 2 years despite him now being a potential Championship defender next season!

Really ??? you have absolutely no proof of that have you. Just as there is no proof that he wasn't. !!!!!!!!!