Anyone know how to find the link with players contract expiry on?

Quoted from TheRealJohnLewis

http://codalmighty.com/site/ca.php?article=4202

Awesome, thank you!

Latest player contract position as at 15 March 2018
     Signed     Length     Expires
Goalkeepers                 
Jake Kean*     January 2018     rest of season     May 2018
Ben Killip     July 2017     1 year     June 2018
James McKeown     June 2016     2 years     June 2018
                 
Defenders                 
Danny Collins     June 2017     1 year     June 2018
Nathan Clarke     June 2017     1 year     June 2018
Ben Davies     May 2017     1 year     June 2018
Paul Dixon     July 2017     2 years     June 2019
Andrew Fox     March 2018     rest of season     June 2018
Reece Hall-Johnson†     October 2017     1 year     June 2018
Jack Keeble     April 2017     undisclosed     --
Zak Mills     June 2016     2 years     June 2018
Karleigh Osborne     July 2017     1(+1) year     June 2018
Easah Suliman*     January 2018     rest of season     May 2018
                 
Midfielders                 
James Berrett     June 2016     2 years     June 2018
Chris Clements†     January 2017     18 months     June 2018
Harry Clifton     May 2017     1 year     June 2018
Sean McAllister     June 2016     2 years     June 2018
Mitch Rose     May 2017     2 years     June 2019
Tom Sawyer     April 2017     undisclosed     --
Luke Summerfield     June 2016     2 years     June 2018
                 
Wingers
           
Siriki Dembele     May 2017     1 year     June 2018
Diallang Jaiyesimi*     August 2017     rest of season     May 2018
Sam Kelly     May 2017     2 years     June 2019
Gary McSheffrey     March 2018     rest of season     June 2018
Martyn Woolford     August 2017     1 year     June 2018
Max Wright†     August 2017     1 year     June 2018
                 
Forwards                 
Harry Cardwell     July 2017     2 years     June 2019
Jonathan Hooper     August 2017     2 years     June 2019
Simeon Jackson*     January 2018     rest of season     May 2018
Jamille Matt*     August 2017     rest of season     May 2018
Ahkeem Rose     December 2016     18 months     June 2018
Charles Vernam*     January 2018     rest of season     May 2018
Scott Vernon     July 2016     2 years     June 2018
Mallik Wilks*     January 2018     rest of season     May 2018


Kake Keen still here ? bet he is well miffed at not even making the squad lol. championship my bottom, another Slade signing were the other club wants to get rid.
                 

Bloody hell stuck with Kelly for another year

Now make a list of those which you think deserve a contract renewal..Bet it will be different to the list we would have made only 4 weeks ago!!..

Players already for next season


Keepers - none   need imporving on current

Defence -  Paul Dixon - oh dear

Midfield -  Mitch Rose(Not a disaster). Sam Kelly(oh dear).

Non scoring forwards - Harry Cardwell(there is promise), Hooper(needs something to motivate him.

Thats it, no more signed up and looks like Mr Jolley has nearly a blank canvas to work with barring 1 or 2 deadweights.

I think realistically it will be taugh to put a promotion squad together on such a drastic scale but at least it will be his own team. we should know more by Christmas

Quoted from Northbank Mariner

Now make a list of those which you think deserve a contract renewal..Bet it will be different to the list we would have made only 4 weeks ago!!..

Barring Mkeown and Dembele do any of them deserve a contract? for me its a no. Plus i was under the impression Dembele's extra year had been triggered.

I would sign Fox, one of either Mills or Hall-Johnson, would trigger Dembele's extension and obviously sign McKeown. I would potentially offer a renewal to Summerfield depending on what he's earning and how much he would be expecting to earn. Wouldn't be surprised to see Vernam sign on a season long loan given Jolley's comments on him and the fact he's a local lad, think he'd be decent in a better team.

The rest can all leave and I would try to offload Dixon and Kelly at the very least.

I actually think there a player somewhere in Sam Kelly. He reminds me of a Paddy McLaughlin type-player. Good technically but struggles with the pace and physicality of the game. In the right system with the right balance of players around him I think he could be an asset.

Quick browse shows only 5 players under contract

Dixon
Rose
Kelly
Cardwell
Hooper

Unfortunately I wouldn't keep any, maybe Hooper at a push as an option from the bench.
So I assume them 5 will be here next season.

Keepers:
Keep McKeown and Killip IMO

Defenders:
Not sure on Collins, he will be 38 in August
Davies will be 37 in May
Would be tempted to keep Hall-Johnson, Only 22
Keep Mills & Fox

Rest of the defenders can leave

Midfielders:
Keep Summerfield, I think he will benefit with a better CM alongside him
No idea what is happening with Dembele's contract...
Give Mcsheffrey another year? experience and set pieces
Give Wright & Clifton another year, think they will benefit having Jolley as a manager

Attackers:
Hooper & Cardwell under contract, rest can leave

In other words, Jolley should thank the players for the effort they have given since he joined, but majority just aren't good enough

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I actually think there a player somewhere in Sam Kelly. He reminds me of a Paddy McLaughlin type-player. Good technically but struggles with the pace and physicality of the game. In the right system with the right balance of players around him I think he could be an asset.

I agree, he looks much better when playing in the middle, but lost out on the wings.

I would keep Collins, Fox and Hall Johnson.

I'd keep Collins, if we do stay up there's a huge debt to the guy for keeping things together at the back. No doubt that age is catching up with him but I feel with a calmer setup around him, and a forward line doing their job properly would see him through another season, I also wonder how he's set up for going into coaching as he looks to read the game exceptionally well.
Would like to see some sort of BP 'boot room' begin under MJ.

I agree about Collins, might only be used as experienced cover, but I think he had shown he actually cares about the club, personally I would show Wilkinson the door because he has been a massive disappointment coaching wise and offer Collins a player/assistant manager role, whether he has coaching Qualifications  or not.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I actually think there a player somewhere in Sam Kelly. He reminds me of a Paddy McLaughlin type-player. Good technically but struggles with the pace and physicality of the game. In the right system with the right balance of players around him I think he could be an asset.

2 years at Vale and a yearhere and never really 1st choice, waste of a wage he wont get better whoever he plays with.

Quoted from petethemariner

I agree about Collins, might only be used as experienced cover, but I think he had shown he actually cares about the club, personally I would show Wilkinson the door because he has been a massive disappointment coaching wise and offer Collins a player/assistant manager role, whether he has coaching Qualifications  or not.

Absolutely agree about Wilkinson a part of a golden era playing wise but not working  coaching wise , simply not good enough

God it's been a sh1t season hasn't it. What on earth was slade thinking getting some of that gash in. And I've only seen them play a handful of times!

Macca needs to be kept on. Very much in the same way that Pearson and Disley needed to be retained.

Are any of the players working towards their 'badges' that are worth keeping??

What I do expect though, is a higher quality player brought in, and hopefully, the earlier the better. Let's not spend yet another pre-season waiting to get everyone's castoff's because our one and only target has decided against joining

Collins as player-assistant manager/coach, really??

What's the obsession with any half decent player we have here coming to the end of his career that we feel obliged to make them part of the backroom staff?  For all we know he's no desire to remain in the game in a coaching capacity, nor the skills to do so successfully.  

Let Jolley bring in his own coaching staff who he knows have the skill-set for what he wants to deliver.

Can’t imagine many will get kept on regardless of what division we are in.  

I’d like to see Mills and Mckeown tied up early. Plenty of years left in the both of them. I like Mills and I think he could still improve further. He’s the sort of player that could rack 2-300 appearances for us and won’t let us down.

Players I would keep would be
Macca

Collins as cover, dependant on wages as we may be able to find better/younger for cheaper.

Mills, although we may find better, I think he's more than capable of holding his own, maybe even in centre back aswell.

Reece Hall Johnson I would be tempted to keep as he should be cheap and he's versatile

Andrew Fox should be cheap and versatile.

Summerfield, he's an adequate back up I'm sure

Clifton, capable player, local so he will help us fulfill the EFL requirement of atleast 1 home grown player in the matchday 18 squad.

Wright, doing very well at Scarborough and will also help us fulfill the home grown player rule

Dembele, who knows what is happening with his contract.

Everybody else can go, as for the players already under contract, need to try and offload them all if we can.

We have to keep those on 2 year contracts unless we can find some way of getting rid.  Those I would "WANT" to keep are  Macca,Mills,Fox,Summerfield and Dembele. Full Stop. Rid of the rest plus Wilko and The Board

wouldn't collins fall foul of Jolley's '1 hour rule'? (unless an honourable exception is made in his case?)

Quoted from Davec

Players I would keep would be
Macca

Collins as cover, dependant on wages as we may be able to find better/younger for cheaper.

Mills, although we may find better, I think he's more than capable of holding his own, maybe even in centre back aswell.

Reece Hall Johnson I would be tempted to keep as he should be cheap and he's versatile

Andrew Fox should be cheap and versatile.

Summerfield, he's an adequate back up I'm sure

Clifton, capable player, local so he will help us fulfill the EFL requirement of atleast 1 home grown player in the matchday 18 squad.

Wright, doing very well at Scarborough and will also help us fulfill the home grown player rule

Dembele, who knows what is happening with his contract.

Everybody else can go, as for the players already under contract, need to try and offload them all if we can.

Agree with this, I think Mills could be a good centre half. Good defender, not very good in the final 3rd

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Can’t imagine many will get kept on regardless of what division we are in.  

I’d like to see Mills and Mckeown tied up early. Plenty of years left in the both of them. I like Mills and I think he could still improve further. He’s the sort of player that could rack 2-300 appearances for us and won’t let us down.

Totally agree about Mills, he’s one of our better players, Macca, Mills and Dembele would be a good start.

Quoted from cmackenzie4

Totally agree about Mills, he’s one of our better players, Macca, Mills and Dembele would be a good start.

Agree about Dembele, but i am treating that as a 2 year contract. It will definitely be extended.

Quoted from Davec

Players I would keep would be
Macca

Collins as cover, dependant on wages as we may be able to find better/younger for cheaper.

Mills, although we may find better, I think he's more than capable of holding his own, maybe even in centre back aswell.

Reece Hall Johnson I would be tempted to keep as he should be cheap and he's versatile

Andrew Fox should be cheap and versatile.

Summerfield, he's an adequate back up I'm sure

Clifton, capable player, local so he will help us fulfill the EFL requirement of atleast 1 home grown player in the matchday 18 squad.

Wright, doing very well at Scarborough and will also help us fulfill the home grown player rule

Dembele, who knows what is happening with his contract.

Everybody else can go, as for the players already under contract, need to try and offload them all if we can.

"Should be cheap.." Are you Fenty in disguise?

If they are good enough for a promotion chasing squad (which I assume will be the aim) then cheap shouldn't come into it. This mindset must change in my opinion - players who are good enough will be offered better elsewhere if we don't pay the going rate for the better players.

Given the amount of players we’ll have on the first day of training we should enter the Futsal league instead  ;D

Ok so for what it’s worth and with my football manager hat on this is what I would do IF we manage to hang on to our league status.

Goalkeepers
              
Jake Kean- return to parent club
Ben Killip- offer new one year contract, decent young back up keeper.
James McKeown- offer new 2 year deal. Has improved this season and with a better back 4 in front should concede less.
                  
Defenders      
            
Danny Collins - release
Nathan Clarke - release
Ben Davies - release
Paul Dixon - transfer list
Andrew Fox - offer new one year deal, proved to be capable enough at L2 level
Reece Hall-Johnson - offer one year deal with option for second year, potential and versatility
Jack Keeble - release
Zak Mills - new 2 year deal deal. Good right back and can cover centre half, could be developed in this position in my opinion.
Karleigh Osborne - release
Easah Suliman - return to parent club
                  
Midfielders                  
James Berrett - release
Chris Clements - release
Harry Clifton - one year deal with option for second year.
Sean McAllister - release
Mitch Rose - already contracted
Tom Sawyer - release
Luke Summerfield - new one year deal, been one of our better players
                  
Wingers
            
Siriki Dembele - take up optional year on deal
Diallang Jaiyesimi - return to parent club
Sam Kelly - transfer list
Gary McSheffrey - release  
Martyn Woolford - release
Max Wright - new one year deal with option for second year
                  
Forwards  
              
Harry Cardwell - already contracted
JJ Hooper - transfer list
Simeon Jackson - return to parent club
Jamille Matt - return to parent club
Ahkeem Rose - release if work permit issue is still unresolved
Charles Vernam - attempt to sign, either loan or permanent
Scott Vernon - release
Mallik Wilks - return to parent club

This would leave us with 14 professionals at the club if the players offered new deals opted to stay and if Vernam signed, 3 of those on the transfer list. Hopefully there will be 2 or 3 youth team lads who will be offered pro contracts as well.

I then think we’ll need 3 centre halves, possible cover at left back, 2 central midfielders, 2 wingers and 2 strikers.

That’s my rough workings out anyway.

Interested to see how effective Jolley is with transfers it is clear we need some better players for next season

Quoted from jimgtfc

Ok so for what it’s worth and with my football manager hat on this is what I would do IF we manage to hang on to our league status.

Goalkeepers
              
Jake Kean- return to parent club
Ben Killip- offer new one year contract, decent young back up keeper.
James McKeown- offer new 2 year deal. Has improved this season and with a better back 4 in front should concede less.
                  
Defenders      
            
Danny Collins - release
Nathan Clarke - release
Ben Davies - release
Paul Dixon - transfer list
Andrew Fox - offer new one year deal, proved to be capable enough at L2 level
Reece Hall-Johnson - offer one year deal with option for second year, potential and versatility
Jack Keeble - release
Zak Mills - new 2 year deal deal. Good right back and can cover centre half, could be developed in this position in my opinion.
Karleigh Osborne - release
Easah Suliman - return to parent club
                  
Midfielders                  
James Berrett - release
Chris Clements - release
Harry Clifton - one year deal with option for second year.
Sean McAllister - release
Mitch Rose - already contracted
Tom Sawyer - release
Luke Summerfield - new one year deal, been one of our better players
                  
Wingers
            
Siriki Dembele - take up optional year on deal
Diallang Jaiyesimi - return to parent club
Sam Kelly - transfer list
Gary McSheffrey - release  
Martyn Woolford - release
Max Wright - new one year deal with option for second year
                  
Forwards  
              
Harry Cardwell - already contracted
JJ Hooper - transfer list
Simeon Jackson - return to parent club
Jamille Matt - return to parent club
Ahkeem Rose - release if work permit issue is still unresolved
Charles Vernam - attempt to sign, either loan or permanent
Scott Vernon - release
Mallik Wilks - return to parent club

This would leave us with 14 professionals at the club if the players offered new deals opted to stay and if Vernam signed, 3 of those on the transfer list. Hopefully there will be 2 or 3 youth team lads who will be offered pro contracts as well.

I then think we’ll need 3 centre halves, possible cover at left back, 2 central midfielders, 2 wingers and 2 strikers.

That’s my rough workings out anyway.

Can't disagree with much of that , although Hooper and Jackson's situations might change depending on their performances in next few weeks. Jolley has certainly spoken positively about both.
i haven't been able to find much info on the Burnley under 23 squads that he managed. From the little i've found Jason Gilchrist Southport's goalscoring machine is the most interesting, although Aiden O'Neill who's on loan at Fleetwood is described as a good passer and box-box midfielder.Tom Anderson is a central defender with plenty of league 1/2 experience, Josh Ginnelly is a winger whos been on loan at Tranmere
and Lincoln

Going against the grain here but I wouldn’t be in the slightest bit bothered if Dembele left. He’s been chronic since Christmas. He plays like he doesn’t want to be here and talks like he doesn’t want to be here. I want a squad of 20-22 players who alll buy into Jolley’s philosophy and all understand what it means to play for Grimsby Town. I want them tight knit and have no passengers in the squad or the team. Dembele has been. Despite the penalty which bas altered others’ perception of him, Rose is still junk also. Need better than Collins and Davies who are going to be 38 and 37 respectively next season, might see if there’s a place in the backroom staff for Davies, looks like the sort of lad I’d want around. I’d be more inclined to keep RHJ than Mills. Young lad, more athleticism and a better delivery even at this stage of his career than Mills. Fox benefits from not being Dixon, still gets beaten far too easily by his winger, need better. McSheffrey has looked ok in the bits I’ve seen but too old again. Want young and hungry pros. McKeown obviously keep ans as a reserve keeper same with Killip. Might be a player in Cardwell but I’d do everything to ship out the rest  out so we can basically start with a new squad that will be much smaller. For me keep McKeown, RHJ, Summerfield and try and get Little V on a season long loan and release or try and ship out everything else with the possible exception of Cardwell.

Surely if Dembele signs the contract extension then he wants to be here?

Quoted from Grantley

Surely if Dembele signs the contract extension then he wants to be here?

He might not have a choice if we’ve triggered the extension.

I would keep
Macca
Killip

Give Fox a chance over preseason
Hall-Johnson
Mills (but I think someone esle will snap him up)

Summerfield (after the season hes had he deserves to be given a chance with a decent midfield around him 1 year extension)
Demebele (we activated his one year extension apparently but could of been more Slade bullshit)
Clifton
Wright

Cardwell (couldn't hurt to give him a 1 year extension see if he develops)

Try and resign Vernam on another season loan

Quoted from monkeyboy

Barring  Dembele do any of them deserve a contract. Plus i was under the impression Dembele's extra year had been triggered.

The guy is our best player.

Will be here next year Iam not so sure.Even now could play league 1 and given time I think could do a job in the championship.

Quoted from Mariner_09

Going against the grain here but I wouldn’t be in the slightest bit bothered if Dembele left. He’s been chronic since Christmas. He plays like he doesn’t want to be here and talks like he doesn’t want to be here. I want a squad of 20-22 players who alll buy into Jolley’s philosophy and all understand what it means to play for Grimsby Town. I want them tight knit and have no passengers in the squad or the team. Dembele has been.  McSheffrey has looked ok in the bits I’ve seen but too old again. Want young and hungry pros.

Dembele has quality in abundance for this level though and is our most naturally talented player.If Jolley can get the best from him is a real asset to have.I rate him very highly.

McSheffrey in the day was quality eg you just have to look at his cv to see he has done well in the game but his legs are catching up with him

It is clear to everyone that Dembele has had offers from teams higher up and has had his head turned. Trigger the extension and sell him. We then need to use ALL yes ALL of that cash to improve the squad. win win.

Quoted from SomeSanity

It is clear to everyone that Dembele has had offers from teams higher up and has had his head turned. Trigger the extension and sell him. We then need to use ALL yes ALL of that cash to improve the squad. win win.

nothing to do with his back injury and ongoing back spasms then?

Quoted from forza ivano

nothing to do with his back injury and ongoing back spasms then?

We all know that person who can't do anything because 'They've a bone in their leg'.

So basically we would be offloading most of the current squad, so we will have to bring in anywhere between 10 and 15 players. As this will be Jolley's first season as a manager and a relatively new squad should we be expecting mid table safety in the first season and then hopefully make a promotion push in the second.

The best thing Jolly can do for next season is if Wilkinson says DO then DON'T and if he says DON'T then DO.

Really interesting thread and reading 👍

I’m currently wondering how MJ contract is set up for next season?

Quoted from jimgtfc

Ok so for what it’s worth and with my football manager hat on this is what I would do IF we manage to hang on to our league status.

Goalkeepers
              
Jake Kean- return to parent club
Ben Killip- offer new one year contract, decent young back up keeper.
James McKeown- offer new 2 year deal. Has improved this season and with a better back 4 in front should concede less.
                  
Defenders      
            
Danny Collins - release
Nathan Clarke - release
Ben Davies - release
Paul Dixon - transfer list
Andrew Fox - offer new one year deal, proved to be capable enough at L2 level
Reece Hall-Johnson - offer one year deal with option for second year, potential and versatility
Jack Keeble - release
Zak Mills - new 2 year deal deal. Good right back and can cover centre half, could be developed in this position in my opinion.
Karleigh Osborne - release
Easah Suliman - return to parent club
                  
Midfielders                  
James Berrett - release
Chris Clements - release
Harry Clifton - one year deal with option for second year.
Sean McAllister - release
Mitch Rose - already contracted
Tom Sawyer - release
Luke Summerfield - new one year deal, been one of our better players
                  
Wingers
            
Siriki Dembele - take up optional year on deal
Diallang Jaiyesimi - return to parent club
Sam Kelly - transfer list
Gary McSheffrey - release  
Martyn Woolford - release
Max Wright - new one year deal with option for second year
                  
Forwards  
              
Harry Cardwell - already contracted
JJ Hooper - transfer list
Simeon Jackson - return to parent club
Jamille Matt - return to parent club
Ahkeem Rose - release if work permit issue is still unresolved
Charles Vernam - attempt to sign, either loan or permanent
Scott Vernon - release
Mallik Wilks - return to parent club

This would leave us with 14 professionals at the club if the players offered new deals opted to stay and if Vernam signed, 3 of those on the transfer list. Hopefully there will be 2 or 3 youth team lads who will be offered pro contracts as well.

I then think we’ll need 3 centre halves, possible cover at left back, 2 central midfielders, 2 wingers and 2 strikers.

That’s my rough workings out anyway.

Think your pretty much bang on with it. I think those plus maybe 10 quality additions would see us do well next year

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

"Should be cheap.." Are you Fenty in disguise?

If they are good enough for a promotion chasing squad (which I assume will be the aim) then cheap shouldn't come into it. This mindset must change in my opinion - players who are good enough will be offered better elsewhere if we don't pay the going rate for the better players.

Having capable squad fillers in Hall Johnson Clifton and Wright on cheap wages will save some money to attract better players.

What about wilks?

Quoted from Sigone

What about wilks?

Nay !!!!!!!






You got to be a certain age  ;)

Quoted from grimsby pete

Nay !!!!!!!






You got to be a certain age  ;)

Unfortunately Pete, I am both old enough and sad enough to know what that is  :-/ :-/   ;)

No doubt some of the present squad will go regardless of where we are next year but I think we should be more bothered who we could get as replacements. Personally I think quite a number of current players will be offered new terms in May, because if Jolley has any ability he will already have easily sussed out the weaknesses. He does not need a massive squad, but neither does he need the hassle of trying to fill the numbers with another journeyman player to make up for one he has just let go.

What he really needs is 3 or 4 players of proven ability for the spine of the team, especially for midfield and striker roles. We don't need "promising youngsters" or "experienced ex-prem"  players for key roles, we need good players who will immediately make a big difference.They would cost money, serious money, to attract to BP.

Lincoln did that to some extent by splashing out on Bostwick. Reportedly on a ton of money but he's been a revelation for them this year and easily started to repay some of that money back. As people have pointed out before, why have 6 strikers of £800 p/w when you can have 3 on £1,600 p/w.  

If you take Macca as an example.Here you have a good League 2 keeper who is settled in the area and most of the fans like.Why would you not get him in now and put 2 offers in front of him depending on what league were playing next Season.If we go down we offer him 2 years and match his current wage if we stay up we offer him 2-3 years with a slight increase and bonus related extra`s.
What this does it sets a standard and it sends a message that this Club looks after it`s loyal servants.Anyone who read John McDermott`s book must have shook their head at the shameful goings on then Shaun Pearson last Season it really leaves a bitter taste we must be better than that.
The team that beat FGR was not the best team I have ever seen but it was one of the bravest and it was together.The way the Club allowed it all fall apart and vanish for the sake of a couple of quid was very disheartening to players and fans alike and what good did it do?

Please learn a lesson from that GTFC their is a type of player we the fans want and you the Club need.It looks like you might have got a Manager who realises this now flipping back him.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

No doubt some of the present squad will go regardless of where we are next year but I think we should be more bothered who we could get as replacements. Personally I think quite a number of current players will be offered new terms in May, because if Jolley has any ability he will already have easily sussed out the weaknesses. He does not need a massive squad, but neither does he need the hassle of trying to fill the numbers with another journeyman player to make up for one he has just let go.

What he really needs is 3 or 4 players of proven ability for the spine of the team, especially for midfield and striker roles. We don't need "promising youngsters" or "experienced ex-prem"  players for key roles, we need good players who will immediately make a big difference.They would cost money, serious money, to attract to BP.

Youngsters and /or experienced ex prem players may be good players too  ;)

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

No doubt some of the present squad will go regardless of where we are next year but I think we should be more bothered who we could get as replacements. Personally I think quite a number of current players will be offered new terms in May, because if Jolley has any ability he will already have easily sussed out the weaknesses. He does not need a massive squad, but neither does he need the hassle of trying to fill the numbers with another journeyman player to make up for one he has just let go.

What he really needs is 3 or 4 players of proven ability for the spine of the team, especially for midfield and striker roles. We don't need "promising youngsters" or "experienced ex-prem"  players for key roles, we need good players who will immediately make a big difference.They would cost money, serious money, to attract to BP.

That rules out most of this season's squad.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

No doubt some of the present squad will go regardless of where we are next year but I think we should be more bothered who we could get as replacements. Personally I think quite a number of current players will be offered new terms in May, because if Jolley has any ability he will already have easily sussed out the weaknesses. He does not need a massive squad, but neither does he need the hassle of trying to fill the numbers with another journeyman player to make up for one he has just let go.

What he really needs is 3 or 4 players of proven ability for the spine of the team, especially for midfield and striker roles. We don't need "promising youngsters" or "experienced ex-prem"  players for key roles, we need good players who will immediately make a big difference.They would cost money, serious money, to attract to BP.

Our best players from recent past have all come from non league in my opinion.

Quoted from Cloudy

Youngsters and /or experienced ex prem players may be good players too  ;)

Quite so, but youngsters are inconsistent and need help, old players can be great like Futcher but it’s a risk. We need 3 or 4 players to build on. No passengers.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Quite so, but youngsters are inconsistent and need help, old players can be great like Futcher but it’s a risk. We need 3 or 4 players to build on. No passengers.

You referred to experience NOT old. Significant difference in my vocabulary. You can have a 25 year old who has plenty of games under his belt, plenty of experience and legs.

My main point is that we need decent players with huge desire whether they are 18 or 35, don't rule anyone in or anyone out because of age

Quoted from wiggers

Our best players from recent past have all come from non league in my opinion.

Podge? Danny andrew? Connor townsend? Craig disley?

Wow on the back of one win, having not won for twenty odd games we’re dishing out contracts willy nilly. Let’s retain some perspective. If we keep the core of this team next season, asumming that we stay up, we’ll go down next season.

I’d keep:

McKeown
Reece Hall-Johnson
Dembele (so we can sell him)
Fox
Clifton

As far as I’m concerned, the rest can go. Those under contract, Hooper, Rose, Kelly, Dixon should be told that they’re free to leave.

IIRC McKeown has a 1 year extension option in his contract.

Quoted from Superdan147

Think your pretty much bang on with it. I think those plus maybe 10 quality additions would see us do well next year

Jim has it bang on for me to. Except maybe release killip and if the budget allows bring someone who's going to push Macca for a 1st team place.

Why would anybody want Dembele? If we know we can get a good fee for him, the trigger the clause but if there’s any doubt I want him out, he acts like ge doesn’t want to be here and plays like he doesn’t want to be here. Keep Macca, RHJ and Summerfield and get rid of the rest. Maybe Davies could be retained as a player/coach, looks like the ideal sort of bloke you’d want round the training ground and desperate to get into coaching I have read.

Quoted from Mariner_09

Why would anybody want Dembele? If we know we can get a good fee for him, the trigger the clause but if there’s any doubt I want him out, he acts like ge doesn’t want to be here and plays like he doesn’t want to be here. Keep Macca, RHJ and Summerfield and get rid of the rest. Maybe Davies could be retained as a player/coach, looks like the ideal sort of bloke you’d want round the training ground and desperate to get into coaching I have read.

Perhaps Dembele could go and play with Danny Andrew in the Mariner 09 sh1t eleven.  ;)

Quoted from davmariner

Wow on the back of one win, having not won for twenty odd games we’re dishing out contracts willy nilly. Let’s retain some perspective. If we keep the core of this team next season, asumming that we stay up, we’ll go down next season.

I’d keep:

McKeown
Reece Hall-Johnson
Dembele (so we can sell him)
Fox
Clifton

As far as I’m concerned, the rest can go. Those under contract, Hooper, Rose, Kelly, Dixon should be told that they’re free to leave.

It is a long time ago but Lawrie McMenemy came to BP inheriting a team that was virtually bottom of the old Div 4 that many fans thought was absolute crap including Matt Tees after the euphoria of his return,  and he took it to promotion with minimum additions. When he did add, it was quality like Lew Chatterley.

You may be right in your assessment of some of the players but we have not seen them train, we have never spoken to them at length. There is a desire amongst the fans for a completely fresh start, new manager, clean slate, new squad. But football does not work like that. It never has. If Jolley gets rid of 20 odd players then he needs to sign at least 13/14. Do we realistically believe he can find that number of "good" players (i.e. good in our eyes) on the budget he will have? Will every signing be better than all the players released?

That is why I think if he has any sense he will release a lot of players but not as many as perhaps some supporters would like, and look to spend his money on 3, 4 or maybe 5 players of obviously better quality than we have seen for several seasons - including a dominating centre back, a midfielder who can pass more than water, and a striker who can give the side some confidence that chances created will be taken.

I think some people lose sight of the fact that Dembele is still only 21 and won’t be 22 until September. Yeah maybe he has had his head turned or been poorly advised, and I don’t think that interview last month did him any favours, but we’ve all seen what he can do when he’s on form and also whilst playing in one of the worst town teams for maybe a decade. I think he’s got a lot of potential still, and if we just let him go then he goes on to play at a higher level there would be hell on here!

It is possible for Jolley to start next season with a virtually new team and be successful.  That is assuming that we stay up.   Cheltenham and Macclesfield (champions elect) both started seasons with new squads and were NL champions.  

Jolley's ability in recruitment is still unproven and he does not have a detailed knowledge of FL players.  However, he should be a lot better than Slade and so far he has generally shown good judgement regarding p;layers.  A bigger barrier is likely to be the Board being reluctant to pay good wages to attract the right quality players.

Quoted from 3351[b

]I think some people lose sight of the fact that Dembele is still only 21 and won’t be 22 until September. [/b]Yeah maybe he has had his head turned or been poorly advised, and I don’t think that interview last month did him any favours, but we’ve all seen what he can do when he’s on form and also whilst playing in one of the worst town teams for maybe a decade. I think he’s got a lot of potential still, and if we just let him go then he goes on to play at a higher level there would be hell on here!

Agreed, and it's his first season of pro football.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

It is possible for Jolley to start next season with a virtually new team and be successful.  That is assuming that we stay up.   Cheltenham and Macclesfield (champions elect) both started seasons with new squads and were NL champions.  

Jolley's ability in recruitment is still unproven and he does not have a detailed knowledge of FL players.  However, he should be a lot better than Slade and so far he has generally shown good judgement regarding p;layers.  A bigger barrier is likely to be the Board being reluctant to pay good wages to attract the right quality players.

Oh yes, I'm not saying it isn't possible. He could get rid of the lot and make a totally new squad but like you say, it's a money business and the board sets the budget.

I'm just saying that if he did sack the lot he would have to spread his cash so thinly that the new players he picks up are not very likely to be better than we have already, even if he is a good picker. So look for fewer but better signings to spend the money on even if it means keeping more of the present squad than perhaps he would like in an ideal world.

He plays football like he’s playing FIFA, he was exciting earlier in the season and was really effective during the autumn but once the going got tough and people doubled up on him he just hasn’t looked up for it. I think he’d prosper in a team with better players in it as he could start higher up the pitch and have greater trust in teammates’ ball playing skills.

Quoted from Mariner_09

He plays football like he’s playing FIFA, he was exciting earlier in the season and was really effective during the autumn but once the going got tough and people doubled up on him he just hasn’t looked up for it. I think he’d prosper in a team with better players in it as he could start higher up the pitch and have greater trust in teammates’ ball playing skills.

Which is what he was doing in September. His biggest fault you can see on video quite often is that he gets the ball, looks up, then decides he's marked so can't do anything with it, and then gives a sloppy pass, back or square to a player with exactly the same problem! He has to realise he is not there to clutter up the game by passing the ball into trouble, he's there to beat the defender from a standing start and so make space for his team mates by drawing other defenders. That is his job in the team. When he does that he looks a good player.

Quoted from Mariner_09

He plays football like he’s playing FIFA, he was exciting earlier in the season and was really effective during the autumn but once the going got tough and people doubled up on him he just hasn’t looked up for it. I think he’d prosper in a team with better players in it as he could start higher up the pitch and have greater trust in teammates’ ball playing skills.

Maybe that "better team" could be us next season? He's learning the game- you have to factor that in when assessing him. Ronaldo looked like Bambi on ice when he first appeared in a Man Utd shirt, all step overs and spindly legs. Dembele may develop into a fantastic player, he may not, but his erratic form is understandable at his age and with the amount of games he has under his belt. Think he's only made 20 odd appearances in his career.

Quoted from TownSNAFU5

It is possible for Jolley to start next season with a virtually new team and be successful.  That is assuming that we stay up.   Cheltenham and Macclesfield (champions elect) both started seasons with new squads and were NL champions.  

Jolley's ability in recruitment is still unproven and he does not have a detailed knowledge of FL players.  However, he should be a lot better than Slade and so far he has generally shown good judgement regarding p;layers.  A bigger barrier is likely to be the Board being reluctant to pay good wages to attract the right quality players.

I would have thought that running Burnley's under 23 (?) squad for several seasons two years ago would have given him a good knowledge of the kind of players we are looking for. There will be quite a lot of players who although not deemed good enough for Premiersh*t or Championship teams would be more than capable of performing at league 1 or 2 level and need a chance to prove themselves.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

It is a long time ago but Lawrie McMenemy came to BP inheriting a team that was virtually bottom of the old Div 4 that many fans thought was absolute crap including Matt Tees after the euphoria of his return,  and he took it to promotion with minimum additions. When he did add, it was quality like Lew Chatterley.

You may be right in your assessment of some of the players but we have not seen them train, we have never spoken to them at length. There is a desire amongst the fans for a completely fresh start, new manager, clean slate, new squad. But football does not work like that. It never has. If Jolley gets rid of 20 odd players then he needs to sign at least 13/14. Do we realistically believe he can find that number of "good" players (i.e. good in our eyes) on the budget he will have? Will every signing be better than all the players released?


That is why I think if he has any sense he will release a lot of players but not as many as perhaps some supporters would like, and look to spend his money on 3, 4 or maybe 5 players of obviously better quality than we have seen for several seasons - including a dominating centre back, a midfielder who can pass more than water, and a striker who can give the side some confidence that chances created will be taken.

It was only a few months ago that this team was holding its own just outside the playoffs, and it was due to bad management and board shenanigins putting the present team is where it is.
There has been an improvement since MJ took over and I would like to think that the players picked will use the remaining matches to play themselves into the managers mindset for next season, accepting of course that new key signings will have to be made

Whatever league we are in next season and whatever budget we have I hope that MJ just gets his squad together early. "lastminute.com" has hurt us in the last couple of seasons.

Really impressed with three teenagers playing for injury hit Leeds tonight against Villa. Not quite ready for week in week out Championship football but Bailey Peacock-Farrell (GK), Tom Pearce (LB) and Paudie O'Connor (CB) would be just the sort of season long loans that would be perfect for Town next season..

Quoted from Bigdog

Really impressed with three teenagers playing for injury hit Leeds tonight against Villa. Not quite ready for week in week out Championship football but Bailey Peacock-Farrell (GK), Tom Pearce (LB) and Paudie O'Conner (CB) would be just the sort of season long loans that would be perfect for Town next season..

F*ck off! You've just made that name up or nicked it from a Douglas Adams book.

Besides, isn't Bailey a girl's name when it's not a a surname?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Whatever league we are in next season and whatever budget we have I hope that MJ just gets his squad together early. "lastminute.com" has hurt us in the last couple of seasons.

Putting season tickets on sale early might help with that too. Gives the club some cash and a better idea of revenue.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

F*ck off! You've just made that name up or nicked it from a Douglas Adams book.

Besides, isn't Bailey a girl's name when it's not a a surname?

He's got prospects. He's from Leeds!

Quoted from Bigdog

Really impressed with three teenagers playing for injury hit Leeds tonight against Villa. Not quite ready for week in week out Championship football but Bailey Peacock-Farrell (GK), Tom Pearce (LB) and Paudie O'Connor (CB) would be just the sort of season long loans that would be perfect for Town next season..

I watched that game and all three look the part now I doubt very much they need a loan year away

Quoted from Mariner_09

He plays football like he’s playing FIFA, he was exciting earlier in the season and was really effective during the autumn but once the going got tough and people doubled up on him he just hasn’t looked up for it. I think he’d prosper in a team with better players in it as he could start higher up the pitch and have greater trust in teammates’ ball playing skills.

Players of the type of Dembele usually thrive in attacking teams with player`s of similar ability WTF has he had to work with?

Quoted from Rick12

The guy is our best player.

Will be here next year Iam not so sure.Even now could play league 1 and given time I think could do a job in the championship.

He would be somewhere near if there was any final product from him.
I love watching players with bags of skill on the ball which he has but apart from that he can't run past a player, not good off the ball position wise and can't use the ball in any useful way.

Quoted from Bigdog

Really impressed with three teenagers playing for injury hit Leeds tonight against Villa. Not quite ready for week in week out Championship football but Bailey Peacock-Farrell (GK), Tom Pearce (LB) and Paudie O'Connor (CB) would be just the sort of season long loans that would be perfect for Town next season..

You mean like the England Under 20 captain we've got sat in our stands?

Quoted from TAGG

He would be somewhere near if there was any final product from him.
I love watching players with bags of skill on the ball which he has but apart from that he can't run past a player, not good off the ball position wise and can't use the ball in any useful way.

But no player is perfect  ;)

Back to discussing contracts, I have followed Town for many years, and at the end of virtually every season there is clamour to get rid of players for new ones.
But this never happens, it just isn't practical, so don't expect a mass exodus.