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Thanks for circulating the Agenda.
I am not a member of the Trust, so my opinions may be discounted.
However, as an observation, whilst the agenda items are all relevant in their own way, the agenda lacks any bite which could affect any forward direction for the club.
The real issues, apart from team performance and results, which are probably not appropriate for the Trust, are:

1 total lack of confidence in the gtfc board, especially that of the major shareholder, what is going to be done to address the confidence issues.
2. The future vision for Gtfc. It's relevance and realistic possibility of delivery
3. Actions re getting future income for the club to survive and prosper.
4. Plans to deliver future success in the light of either survival or relegation.

Enjoy the meeting

Quoted from Bigdog

I think we've all had our chance to express our wishes. The ball is firmly in the Trust's court to show some leadership from the findings of the survey and create a framework for the way forward based upon the wishes of its members..

Was referring mainly to the hot topics of the last week or so - the Port Vale statement and this vote of no confidence that has been requested today.

Quoted from ska face

Was referring mainly to the hot topics of the last week or so - the Port Vale statement and this vote of no confidence that has been requested today.

Totally agree with you mate..

Apologies if my post sounded critical. I didn't mean it that way..

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Thanks for circulating the Agenda.
I am not a member of the Trust, so my opinions may be discounted.
However, as an observation, whilst the agenda items are all relevant in their own way, the agenda lacks any bite which could affect any forward direction for the club.
The real issues, apart from team performance and results, which are probably not appropriate for the Trust, are:

1 total lack of confidence in the gtfc board, especially that of the major shareholder, what is going to be done to address the confidence issues.
2. The future vision for Gtfc. It's relevance and realistic possibility of delivery
3. Actions re getting future income for the club to survive and prosper.
4. Plans to deliver future success in the light of either survival or relegation.

Enjoy the meeting

You forgot to mention Flasks Ilkley!

Quoted from Cayman_mariner

You forgot to mention Flasks Ilkley!

To be found swept 'under the carpet' with issues such as bras, tampons and SLOs.

Seriously, top of the agenda ought to be the Trust's continued presence on the GTFC board and the 30k contribution.

Quoted from Cayman_mariner

You forgot to mention Flasks Ilkley!

To be found swept 'under the carpet' with issues such as bras, tampons and SLOs.

Seriously, top of the agenda ought to be the Trust's continued presence on the GTFC board and the 30k contribution.

Quoted from Cayman_mariner

You forgot to mention Flasks Ilkley!

To be found swept 'under the carpet' with issues such as bras, tampons and SLOs.

Seriously, top of the agenda ought to be the Trust's continued presence on the GTFC board and the 30k contribution.

Quoted from Cayman_mariner

You forgot to mention Flasks Ilkley!

Thanks for the reminder about flasks, but to be honest, the real issues are much deeper than can be resolved by a new policy on flasks.

Maybe someone from the Cayman Islands could sponsor new eco friendly flasks?

I attended the last Trust board meeting as a guest. I don’t think they’ll mind me saying that while the number of replies they had for the recent survey was well received they still wanted more as they want every last member (and non-members too) to contribute their ideas, thoughts, complaints, suggestions etc in order for them to truly work in the fans interests. At the last meeting we were shown an email that was sent no more than a couple of hours before the meeting started so it is not too late to pass on a message for it to be discussed tomorrow.

Quoted from LH

I attended the last Trust board meeting as a guest. I don’t think they’ll mind me saying that while the number of replies they had for the recent survey was well received they still wanted more as they want every last member (and non-members too) to contribute their ideas, thoughts, complaints, suggestions etc in order for them to truly work in the fans interests. At the last meeting we were shown an email that was sent no more than a couple of hours before the meeting started so it is not too late to pass on a message for it to be discussed tomorrow.

Was there many members present?

It’s a board meeting, so only board members will attend. Minutes from all meetings are on the Trust website.

Quoted from LH

I attended the last Trust board meeting as a guest. I don’t think they’ll mind me saying that while the number of replies they had for the recent survey was well received they still wanted more as they want every last member (and non-members too) to contribute their ideas, thoughts, complaints, suggestions etc in order for them to truly work in the fans interests. At the last meeting we were shown an email that was sent no more than a couple of hours before the meeting started so it is not too late to pass on a message for it to be discussed tomorrow.

Please feel free to include my previous comments on this thread. I can't come tomorrow but would be pleased to attend future meetings if diary dates are published in good time.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Please feel free to include my previous comments on this thread. I can't come tomorrow but would be pleased to attend future meetings if diary dates are published in good time.

Email them in ffs. I’ve even put the email address in the opening post.

Quoted from Meza

Was there many members present?

I believe all of the trust board are trust members so yes there were. ;)

Quoted from Meza

Was there many members present?

Meza Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like you might have misunderstood the scope of the meeting. Tomorrow's meeting (and the one LH attended) were/are meetings of the Board of Management of the Mariners Trust. They are not members meetings. LH expressed a desire to see if there was any help he could provide and accepted the invitation to attend. That offer is open to any Trust member with due notice.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

To be found swept 'under the carpet' with issues such as bras, tampons and SLOs.

Seriously, top of the agenda ought to be the Trust's continued presence on the GTFC board and the 30k contribution.

Has to be and if we get relegated would it change things.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

To be found swept 'under the carpet' with issues such as bras, tampons and SLOs.

Seriously, top of the agenda ought to be the Trust's continued presence on the GTFC board and the 30k contribution.

You ever offered your expertise to the Trust Codge?

Quoted from barralad

Meza Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like you might have misunderstood the scope of the meeting. Tomorrow's meeting (and the one LH attended) were/are meetings of the Board of Management of the Mariners Trust. They are not members meetings. LH expressed a desire to see if there was any help he could provide and accepted the invitation to attend. That offer is open to any Trust member with due notice.

Bloody hell, I totally agree with you ;D.

I think that the last couple of public/members open meetings have seen a pathetic turnout

Quoted from barralad

Meza Correct me if I'm wrong but it looks like you might have misunderstood the scope of the meeting. Tomorrow's meeting (and the one LH attended) were/are meetings of the Board of Management of the Mariners Trust. They are not members meetings. LH expressed a desire to see if there was any help he could provide and accepted the invitation to attend. That offer is open to any Trust member with due notice.

Lol its ok Barra i get it now. Basically similar to a management meeting for managers only.

How often do u have member meetings? I guess these could be difficult to chair if you have too many difficult members that are stubborn as hell lol.

Anyway thanks for clearing that up 👍

Quoted from LH

You ever offered your expertise to the Trust Codge?

If I ever thought I could do anything to help GTFC (in JF's opinion that would probably mean 'Shut Up'), I would gladly do so. However, I don't think any Trust member can truly influence things. In addition, having served as a School Governor for 15 years, my 'well of goodwill' has run rather dry!!

Quoted from MuddyWaters

To be found swept 'under the carpet' with issues such as bras, tampons and SLOs.

Seriously, top of the agenda ought to be the Trust's continued presence on the GTFC board and the 30k contribution.

I very much doubt there could be a 30K contribution next season. Absolutely no reflection on Sharon and her team. But the amount of custom will be severely decreased should the same regime be in place at the top !!!

Where's page 2? Says 1 of 2 on that doc.

An old school governor ay Old Codger.

It'll be interesting to know others previous or current occupation and to see what skills are closer to home.

I work as an implementation specialist. I install, scope and project manage stock control software for our clients.

Im dab handy in Excell too lol.

Quoted from pizzzza

Where's page 2? Says 1 of 2 on that doc.

ON THE TRUST WEBSITE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.

It’s exactly conversations like this that stop me bothering to get involved with the Trust.

Quoted from Meza

An old school governor ay Old Codger.

It'll be interesting to know others previous or current occupation and to see what skills are closer to home.

I work as an implementation specialist. I install, scope and project manage stock control software for our clients.

Im dab handy in Excell too lol.

I've got a proper job too!!

Quoted from ska face

ON THE TRUST WEBSITE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE.

It’s exactly conversations like this that stop me bothering to get involved with the Trust.

Have you got a link?

Thanks for posting that Ska.

Quoted from ska face

Email them in ffs. I’ve even put the email address in the opening post.

Have replied to email requested
I find Mr Skaface reply unhelpful amongst fans with a common interest.

My interest is in helping people become self-sufficient, glad we’ve made some progress this evening.

Quoted from ska face

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Here’s your chance - emails through to enquiries@marinerstrust.co.uk

This looks like survey for a fooking pub darts team. Get some reality in them meetings and tell that twit fenty he's destroying our club because come saturday and if we lose, he will be getting it in the neck!

Quoted from ska face

My interest is in helping people become self-sufficient, glad we’ve made some progress this evening.

Cheers for putting this out there I've sent up a couple of questions and a few observations.

Sadly I am drawing the conclusion that the MT might not be the saviour of this football club and as such I will not be renewing my membership unless we see some action.It seems to me they have no intention of rocking the boat or challenging the catastrophic mistakes that keep getting repeated by our majority shareholder and his hangers on which was the whole point of the seat on the board.That seat is wasted and to me at least appears to be a millstone round the neck for progress.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Sadly I am drawing the conclusion that the MT might not be the saviour of this football club and as such I will not be renewing my membership unless we see some action.It seems to me they have no intention of rocking the boat or challenging the catastrophic mistakes that keep getting repeated by our majority shareholder and his hangers on which was the whole point of the seat on the board.That seat is wasted and to me at least appears to be a millstone round the neck for progress.

Once again I am in full agreement with your post Micky,

I too would not renew my membership if I had not already taken our a lifetime one,

Even if I do not have a membership card to prove it,

So I might resign instead. ;D

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Sadly I am drawing the conclusion that the MT might not be the saviour of this football club and as such I will not be renewing my membership unless we see some action.It seems to me they have no intention of rocking the boat or challenging the catastrophic mistakes that keep getting repeated by our majority shareholder and his hangers on which was the whole point of the seat on the board.That seat is wasted and to me at least appears to be a millstone round the neck for progress.

If everyone took that attitude, then it never will change anything. We need more disaffected home-based fans in the Trust and standing for office, not less. If everyone who was drunk off joined and just 10% of those got active we'd be a force to reckon with.

Personally speaking, it's been far to conservative since...well forever, but I wouldn't dream of leaving it. It's still our best (only) hope in the long run.

The Trust will never be what it could be until people get behind it with their small donations, personal time and a belief that things can be made better, look at OP.

I’m amazed when I read on here that the Trust should do this and the Trust should do that in regards to ousting JF but in reality their hands are tied and they have limited resources.

If people want the Trust to be more effective they need to join, a Trust could become a “movement” then who knows? I personally believe that a stronger Trust would mean a stronger club.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

The Trust will never be what it could be until people get behind it with their small donations, personal time and a belief that things can be made better, look at OP.

I’m amazed when I read on here that the Trust should do this and the Trust should do that in regards to ousting JF but in reality their hands are tied and they have limited resources.

If people want the Trust to be more effective they need to join, a Trust could become a “movement” then who knows? I personally believe that a stronger Trust would mean a stronger club.

Chicken & egg though isn't it? If there was a prospect of the Trust influencing the future of GTFC then many would join, but the current situation doesn't suggest that happening any time soon.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Chicken & egg though isn't it? If there was a prospect of the Trust influencing the future of GTFC then many would join, but the current situation doesn't suggest that happening any time soon.

Maybe think more of what you could do for the Trust rather than what the Trust could do for you?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Chicken & egg though isn't it? If there was a prospect of the Trust influencing the future of GTFC then many would join, but the current situation doesn't suggest that happening any time soon.

If they had strength in numbers who knows what they can do? It’s very easy to be critical but until people join them in the trenches you never know.

Makes entire sense to me.

I don't really know a lot about the Trust, apart from what I read on here, and to be perfectly honest I am not bothered.

The only thing that matters is the removal of Fenty, and to start afresh. If that was the Trust's stated aim, would join and throw my weight behind it but anything else is a waste of time.

From what I have read on here the Trust seem more in cahoots with Fenty rather than trying to oust him so I have no idea what they are trying to achieve.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

If they had strength in numbers who knows what they can do? It’s very easy to be critical but until people join them in the trenches you never know.

The strength in numbers needs to be in votable shares though. Anything else is insignificant, although I get your point.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I don't really know a lot about the Trust, apart from what I read on here, and to be perfectly honest I am not bothered.

The only thing that matters is the removal of Fenty, and to start afresh. If that was the Trust's stated aim, would join and throw my weight behind it but anything else is a waste of time.

From what I have read on here the Trust seem more in cahoots with Fenty rather than trying to oust him so I have no idea what they are trying to achieve.

I’m not 100% but I guess he Trust see a place on the current board as a better way to influence the future of the club, looking at the way the boys club that is “the gang of 4” behave I get the change from within strategy.

If they had a public mandate of removing Fenty there is no way they’d be involved in any dialogue with the directors.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The strength in numbers needs to be in votable shares though. Anything else is insignificant, although I get your point.

I’m not sure I get yours TBH, not having a pop I just don’t see what you mean.

Maybe it’s unique to football clubs but If you’re on a company board and have more equity than another director it does not necessarily mean you have more voting rights. Then again as we have a “non chairman” who can tell?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

The strength in numbers needs to be in votable shares though. Anything else is insignificant, although I get your point.

Not necessarily. First things first. Need to get the membership up. Min 1000 to have credibility as the true voice of the fans. As many members as ST holders and you have a real force to be reckoned with.

More members means more money as well as a credible claim to represent fans. You also have, simply as a by-product of having more members, more people ready and willing to be active. And greater diversity of skills

You build up a 'warchest' and credibility. If and when the balloon goes up you are ready to step in. But you don't just simply buy shares as it might just disappear if the excrement hits the fan (no pun intended).

When that happens, having more people available to share the burden means you have more chance of success too. Many people have more expertise that the club could use but simply cannot afford (and in some cases has remarkably, actually turned down). An expansion on the rationale for Marley and Day being on the board. But they'd have the justification of being the biggest, on-going financial supporters of the club.

Also, with a really big membership you'd have more chance of Fenty taking you seriously so revolution might be replaced with reform and evolution.

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

Thanks for the reminder about flasks, but to be honest, the real issues are much deeper than can be resolved by a new policy on flasks.

Maybe someone from the Cayman Islands could sponsor new eco friendly flasks?

Yeh there’s more than one town fan in the Cayman Islands....what’s your point?

Quoted from KingstonMariner

If everyone took that attitude, then it never will change anything. We need more disaffected home-based fans in the Trust and standing for office, not less. If everyone who was drunk off joined and just 10% of those got active we'd be a force to reckon with.

Personally speaking, it's been far to conservative since...well forever, but I wouldn't dream of leaving it. It's still our best (only) hope in the long run.

KM I have asked to be involved and offered help numerous times in the last 2 years and have been rebuffed on every occasion with be patient from various Trust people.Anyone who knows me will point out patience isn`t one of my strong points especially where GTFC are concerned. I do a lot of fund raising locally and I felt I could help previously now I feel they are becoming a lost cause? I want action and I want it now this pussyfooting around might be PC but it`s got the Club back on the verge of disaster.In my opinion the Trust should have unleashed hell when Slade was reappointed,after the shambolic fans forum and the 2nd vote of confidence for Slade when the transfer window had shut for any new Manager.When you look at Trust departures and their timing it would suggest some at least held similar views to myself and others but the party line much more friendly.The Trust have no need to be friendly when the problem is clear the one major obstacle that needs removing to see progress on and off the field is John Fenty.Now if they are not prepared to lead the fight for change then you can only assume they approve of the current regime or they daren't rock the boat that being the case I think they are out of touch with the majority of members.The Trust have done a lot of good work since when it was relaunched I have been a massive fan of their efforts but I am bitterly disappointed with the last 18 Months when they seem to have totally lost there way?

Quoted from 1mickylyons

KM I have asked to be involved and offered help numerous times in the last 2 years and have been rebuffed on every occasion with be patient from various Trust people.Anyone who knows me will point out patience isn`t one of my strong points especially where GTFC are concerned. I do a lot of fund raising locally and I felt I could help previously now I feel they are becoming a lost cause? I want action and I want it now this pussyfooting around might be PC but it`s got the Club back on the verge of disaster.In my opinion the Trust should have unleashed hell when Slade was reappointed,after the shambolic fans forum and the 2nd vote of confidence for Slade when the transfer window had shut for any new Manager.When you look at Trust departures and their timing it would suggest some at least held similar views to myself and others but the party line much more friendly.The Trust have no need to be friendly when the problem is clear the one major obstacle that needs removing to see progress on and off the field is John Fenty.Now if they are not prepared to lead the fight for change then you can only assume they approve of the current regime or they daren't rock the boat that being the case I think they are out of touch with the majority of members.The Trust have done a lot of good work since when it was relaunched I have been a massive fan of their efforts but I am bitterly disappointed with the last 18 Months when they seem to have totally lost there way?

Good post mate I’ve never joined the trust because of some of the reasons you mention ,sitting by and watching all our best players be sold or moved on while they did nothing vocally shows it’s a spineless waste of time

Quoted from dapperz fun pub

Good post mate I’ve never joined the trust because of some of the reasons you mention ,sitting by and watching all our best players be sold or moved on while they did nothing vocally shows it’s a spineless waste of time

I get what you mean but in their role as a board member as much as some would like to hear it if the Trust came out and publicly disagreed with decisions made at board level that would further destabilise the club and potentially further undermine JF who is clearly working with a “bunker mentality”.

We don’t see the minutes from the board meeting as quite rightly so like most other companies/organisations predominantly they remain confidential but for all we know the Trust may be voting against numerous decisions.

I guess the Trust are caught in a dilemma in that if they don’t have a seat on the board they can’t be part of any discussion or debate about the direction of the club which renders them (and their members the fans) pretty much toothless and silent/ignored. As they do have a seat they then have to tow what you would hope will be a democratic line.

Isn't the new head of the trust a strong supporter of fenty?

Quoted from 1mickylyons

KM I have asked to be involved and offered help numerous times in the last 2 years and have been rebuffed on every occasion with be patient from various Trust people.Anyone who knows me will point out patience isn`t one of my strong points especially where GTFC are concerned. I do a lot of fund raising locally and I felt I could help previously now I feel they are becoming a lost cause? I want action and I want it now this pussyfooting around might be PC but it`s got the Club back on the verge of disaster.In my opinion the Trust should have unleashed hell when Slade was reappointed,after the shambolic fans forum and the 2nd vote of confidence for Slade when the transfer window had shut for any new Manager.When you look at Trust departures and their timing it would suggest some at least held similar views to myself and others but the party line much more friendly.The Trust have no need to be friendly when the problem is clear the one major obstacle that needs removing to see progress on and off the field is John Fenty.Now if they are not prepared to lead the fight for change then you can only assume they approve of the current regime or they daren't rock the boat that being the case I think they are out of touch with the majority of members.The Trust have done a lot of good work since when it was relaunched I have been a massive fan of their efforts but I am bitterly disappointed with the last 18 Months when they seem to have totally lost there way?

1ML can I ask are you a member of the Trust? If so surely if you want to join their committee/management their constitution should allow you to be proposed and voted in at their AGM?

At each AGM all “officers” (chair, treasurer, secretary etc..) should have to stand for re-election on an annual basis?

Quoted from Mariner93er

Isn't the new head of the trust a strong supporter of fenty?

Yes he is.

Quoted from Davec

Yes he is.

Who is it?

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Who is it?

Alan Rutter, he's been at fans forums before saying how well fenty is doing and I remember when he expressed his support for the Checkatrade trophy, IIRC he said those who don't agree with it are "missing the point"

Quoted from Davec

Alan Rutter, he's been at fans forums before saying how well fenty is doing and I remember when he expressed his support for the Checkatrade trophy, IIRC he said those who don't agree with it are "missing the point"

Ahhh..... I know who you mean now.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

1ML can I ask are you a member of the Trust? If so surely if you want to join their committee/management their constitution should allow you to be proposed and voted in at their AGM?

At each AGM all “officers” (chair, treasurer, secretary etc..) should have to stand for re-election on an annual basis?

Yes I am a member of the Trust.

The powers that be (several of) have been contacted more than once privately by myself and nothing has ever come back in way of invitation to discuss further. Now in fairness maybe they read the correspondence and simply think No Thanks which is fine but then they should say so.

I am only one person so I don`t matter in the grand scheme of things BUT my views are the views of many many more and this is clearly not being taken on board for whatever the reason.I find that frustrating even if the view is wrong the Trust have a duty to look at it and explain to me and others the error of our judgement but NO deafening silence it is.

Quoted from Davec

Alan Rutter, he's been at fans forums before saying how well fenty is doing and I remember when he expressed his support for the Checkatrade trophy, IIRC he said those who don't agree with it are "missing the point"

I was alarmed at his selection just as I was Terry Rudrum but if they put themselves forward and others don`t and they get elected who`s fault is that? John Fenty hold all the ace cards and the Trust have got 2 and 9 off suit.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Yes I am a member of the Trust.

The powers that be (several of) have been contacted more than once privately by myself and nothing has ever come back in way of invitation to discuss further. Now in fairness maybe they read the correspondence and simply think No Thanks which is fine but then they should say so.

I am only one person so I don`t matter in the grand scheme of things BUT my views are the views of many many more and this is clearly not being taken on board for whatever the reason.I find that frustrating even if the view is wrong the Trust have a duty to look at it and explain to me and others the error of our judgement but NO deafening silence it is.

That’s a shame I know what you mean though, earlier this season I suggested I might be able to help with some commercial ideas (similar to what I do for a living) but received a pretty frosty response, I got the feeling that they didn’t want to share their toys.

Shame really as I still believe a strong Trust could easily lead to a stronger club.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

That’s a shame I know what you mean though, earlier this season I suggested I might be able to help with some commercial ideas (similar to what I do for a living) but received a pretty frosty response, I got the feeling that they didn’t want to share their toys.

Shame really as I still believe a strong Trust could easily lead to a stronger club.

Snap mate and I am totally frustrated that`s why I wonder if they are really the best option?
Likewise I also believe a strong Trust would lead to a strong Club and despite having seen them drop a huge OG with the Parker shares I believed they were the way forward but at present do we have a strong Trust or a dog with no bite or bark? I watch with interest now Dave Roberts is back he is a good bloke he galvanised them previously and they have good people backing him up in my opinion Chris Parker was the man and the way forward and it`s a shame he stood down.I believe the goalposts and end game have moved since Dave`s previous stint and not sure how he will try and steer the Trust going forward? Currently in terms of membership and being relative they are in a far better position than when they lay dormant prior to the relaunch and I believe they have around 900 members? They have previously done a lot of good work in my opinion but I haven't seen anything positive for quite a while hopefully Dave is the man to change that.The Trust should not seek conflict with Fenty and the Club for the sake of it but they should stand up for what`s right and if that then means conflict so be it they are supposed to be the voice of the fans.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Snap mate and I am totally frustrated that`s why I wonder if they are really the best option?
Likewise I also believe a strong Trust would lead to a strong Club and despite having seen them drop a huge OG with the Parker shares I believed they were the way forward but at present do we have a strong Trust or a dog with no bite or bark? I watch with interest now Dave Roberts is back he is a good bloke he galvanised them previously and they have good people backing him up in my opinion Chris Parker was the man and the way forward and it`s a shame he stood down.I believe the goalposts and end game have moved since Dave`s previous stint and not sure how he will try and steer the Trust going forward? Currently in terms of membership and being relative they are in a far better position than when they lay dormant prior to the relaunch and I believe they have around 900 members? They have previously done a lot of good work in my opinion but I haven't seen anything positive for quite a while hopefully Dave is the man to change that.The Trust should not seek conflict with Fenty and the Club for the sake of it but they should stand up for what`s right and if that then means conflict so be it they are supposed to be the voice of the fans.

Fingers crossed as something has to give.

As the Trust derives its mandate from it's members it must ascertain how it members feel in relation to each individual issue in order to ascertain which way to vote,or is it left for the Trust Board to vote which ever way they consider on the day.If the latter is the case how can the Board member be representing it's members.

Quoted from friskneymariner

As the Trust derives its mandate from it's members it must ascertain how it members feel in relation to each individual issue in order to ascertain which way to vote,or is it left for the Trust Board to vote which ever way they consider on the day.If the latter is the case how can the Board member be representing it's members.

Realistically how do you decide though? I imagine there is radio silence from huge chunks of the membership, but that doesn't mean they don't have a view. A few people may make a lot of noise, but you don't want to over represent them either. I think the only way to do it is for the candidates to state their views at election time and the punters vote accordingly. But once elected they vote with their own conscience (hopefully roughly inline with the policies they stated during election time!)

Sadly, the Trust have been managed far better than the football team. As soon as they got those shares and became a threat, they were corralled and neutered by the board. The key phrase when the Trust shares became an issue was "control is outside of the boardroom" and that is what it's all about- control. The SLO has been edged out for one of their own and now Alan Rutter has been installed, a well known Fenty acolyte. Anyone that is opposed to the regime in any way soon ends up leaving or being pushed aside. The Trust are a well meaning body and they no doubt care deeply about the club, but they are powerless and the sooner they get off the board the better. I can see the argument by some that they should not relinquish their board position, but it's merely symbolic in my opinion and carries no weight, even though it represents the biggest body and major financial contributor to the club- the fans.

Quoted from GrimRob

Realistically how do you decide though? I imagine there is radio silence from huge chunks of the membership, but that doesn't mean they don't have a view. A few people may make a lot of noise, but you don't want to over represent them either. I think the only way to do it is for the candidates to state their views at election time and the punters vote accordingly. But once elected they vote with their own conscience (hopefully roughly inline with the policies they stated during election time!)

Yes that`s how I see it.If you take the checkatrade as an example the Trust and the Club know huge swathes of the support totally against hence the boycott and nothings changed. I can`t remember exactly what was said now but the Club were very unhappy at the Trust`s stance and brought up comments about a match they sponsored being played on the same day? Now because this happened and because the boycott as continued at Grimsby you would expect any right minded people would look at this again and see if maybe the fans have a point.The Trust Rep on the board if representing the supporters is quite entitled to say we don`t agree with this because of x,y,z and we will not support the competition as it`s not in the best interests of the Club or supporters in our opinion.In this instance the board would be at an impasse BUT they could agree to disagree. Marley pointed out the financial rewards had to be grabbed by the Club and the fans understand that and we have to field a team what they don`t understand is with such a strength of feeling why the Club didn`t vote against? Nothing would have changed the competition would still have gone ahead GTFC would still have had to field a team but crucially they would have had the fans onside and the Trust Rep should have won this battle in the boardroom and he should have been backed by the rest of the board.The same applies to the Bra gate,forum and SLO fall out the fans are the losers through no fault of their own.

Quoted from GrimRob

Realistically how do you decide though? I imagine there is radio silence from huge chunks of the membership, but that doesn't mean they don't have a view. A few people may make a lot of noise, but you don't want to over represent them either. I think the only way to do it is for the candidates to state their views at election time and the punters vote accordingly. But once elected they vote with their own conscience (hopefully roughly inline with the policies they stated during election time!)

Easy, they have a clear plan and strategy that is agreed via an open consultation process by its members. If something comes up that sits within this they vote for it if it doesn’t they vote against it.

The Trust is as dead and buried as the current squad and the sooner its closed down the better.

Running and therefore putting money into the club by raising the takings of the bars in exchange for a Trust member to sit, powerlessly, on the Board together with gifting Fenty a huge block of shares is pretty much its only contribution.

Infighting amongst the Trust's own board, failure to accept assistance from willing volunteers who might just take it forward, lack of communication to individual members but above all absolutely no power where it matters (with Fenty and Co) begs the question what is the Trust not only achieving but what is it even there for.

Quoted from ginnywings

Sadly, the Trust have been managed far better than the football team. As soon as they got those shares and became a threat, they were corralled and neutered by the board. The key phrase when the Trust shares became an issue was "control is outside of the boardroom" and that is what it's all about- control. The SLO has been edged out for one of their own and now Alan Rutter has been installed, a well known Fenty acolyte. Anyone that is opposed to the regime in any way soon ends up leaving or being pushed aside. The Trust are a well meaning body and they no doubt care deeply about the club, but they are powerless and the sooner they get off the board the better. I can see the argument by some that they should not relinquish their board position, but it's merely symbolic in my opinion and carries no weight, even though it represents the biggest body and major financial contributor to the club- the fans.

Not sure of the legality of repeating what gets said in the boardroom and too be honest JF and the board should keep things behind closed doors but that should not stop the Trust Rep from expressing in the strongest possible terms the fans disquiet.The board position was a great chance to take the Club forward OP showed what could be done when the support was galvanized.However sadly it now appears OP drove some sort of wedge and is being used as a stick to beat the fans with by the Club who compound it by then trying to take the fans for granted at every opportunity all the while pointing the finger.When will someone at GTFC take responsibility for something like Port Vale and the shocking lack of know how in controlling a football crowd in this case 100 or so morons allowed to open a gate and attack home supporters?They get so many little things wrong time and again and I can only think it`s square pegs in round holes everything about GTFC seems not as good as it could and should be.Were better than this but sadly far too many of us are that used to it now we just accept it.Not good enough Mariner`s Trust and you need to be saying so LOUDLY

There are some quite amazing accusations being thrown about here about individuals with zero grounding in reality, from what I’ve seen.

I've heard the argument countless times that the Trust is better infuencing the club from within. Well, this season where has the influence on the board's actions been on the following list or are they just too aligned to JF and the boys? And this is less than one season's worth..

Unbalanced squad recruitment in the summer

Too many pre-season friendlies against lower tier teams

Allowing talented players to leave in January when we're struggling

No influence on sacking Slade earlier

Checkatrade voting

Bragate stance by the club

Calling fans with an alternative view vile without being held to account

Calling fans bullies over Checkatrade attendances without being held to account

SLO farce

Matt Dean attack

Snooker table interviews

Pointless and ludicrous Powerpoint presentations by the manager at a Fans Forum

Stopping a boardroom colleague offering ten round straighteners

Thinking Stephen Marley is the right PR person at a Fans Forum

Endless sanctimonious statements with digs at the fans

Letting the board undermine the Trust at every opportunity

Allow board members to slag off OP without being held to account

Allow board members to slag off the Trust without being held to account

Not holding Extreme to account for Twitter rants

Allow the board to punish fans for Port Vale

Not insisting on a members vote re American investment

As well meaning as the Trust seems, this list proves how toothless it really is on the board of GTFC. The other board members will do exactly what they want anyway and are keeping their "perceived enemy" under control at close quarters..

Time for a stepping away and reincarnation in my opinion..

Quoted from ska face

There are some quite amazing accusations being thrown about here about individuals with zero grounding in reality, from what I’ve seen.

Well maybe you being the font of all knowledge can put us right Grant?

Quoted from ska face

There are some quite amazing accusations being thrown about here about individuals with zero grounding in reality, from what I’ve seen.

So we want Fenty (and the rest of the board) to leave (ideally tomorrow) and the Trust to be disbanded? In other words anyone who has stuck their head above the parapet and assumed some sort of office. Seems reasonable to me ;)

Quoted from GrimRob

So we want Fenty (and the rest of the board) to leave (ideally tomorrow) and the Trust to be disbanded? In other words anyone who has stuck their head above the parapet and assumed some sort of office. Seems reasonable to me ;)

You surely realise Rob this is all your fault or at least you must be next in line for a good kick in ;D

Quoted from 1mickylyons

You surely realise Rob this is all your fault or at least you must be next in line for a good kick in ;D

It's all my fault I admit it. If I hadn't have founded the Fishy we'd still be in the Championship, and might even have been playing the Europa Cup tonight.

Quoted from Bigdog

I've heard the argument countless times that the Trust is better infuencing the club from within. Well, this season where has the influence on the board's actions on the following list or are they just too aligned to JF and the boys? And this is less than one season's worth..

Unbalanced squad recruitment in the summer

Too many pre-season friendlies against lower tier teams

Allowing talented players to leave in January when we're struggling

No influence on sacking Slade earlier

Checkatrade voting

Bragate stance by the club

Calling fans with an alternative view vile without being held to account

Calling fans bullies over Checkatrade attendances without being held to account

SLO farce

Matt Dean attack

Snooker table interviews

Pointless and ludicrous Powerpoint presentations by the manager at a Fans Forum

Stopping a boardroom colleague offering ten round straighteners

Thinking Stephen Marley is the right PR person at a Fans Forum

Endless sanctimonious statements with digs at the fans

Letting the board undermine the Trust at every opportunity

Allow board members to slag off OP without being held to account

Allow board members to slag off the Trust without being held to account

Not holding Extreme to account for Twitter rants

Allow the board to punish fans for Port Vale

Not insisting on a members vote re American investment

As well meaning as the Trust seems, this list proves how toothless it really is on the board of GTFC. The other board members will do exactly what they want anyway and are keeping their "perceived enemy" under control at close quarters..

Time for a stepping away and reincarnation in my opinion..

Lets have it right though, the people who have given time to the Trust have been involved in some hugely positive things. Operation Promotion was an amazing effort and must have taken a huge amount of work. The response from the then SLO and Trust chairman to Bragate was fantastic and they were totally let down by the club.

It's clear from the comments that Bax has made that their are problems and that the club has been able to influence decisions and communications where it shouldnt be able to. Who's fault is that? is it well meaning people who give up their time for free or is it those who seek to influence when they should not?

I think the Trust survey showed that the many fans want the Trust to seek change and i expect that will have been discussed heavily at the meeting last night. I would be very shocked if they are not putting the 30k to a members vote and if they do not asking if they should be seeking a change of leadership at the club.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Lets have it right though, the people who have given time to the Trust have been involved in some hugely positive things. Operation Promotion was an amazing effort and must have taken a huge amount of work. The response from the then SLO and Trust chairman to Bragate was fantastic and they were totally let down by the club.

It's clear from the comments that Bax has made that their are problems and that the club has been able to influence decisions and communications where it shouldnt be able to. Who's fault is that? is it well meaning people who give up their time for free or is it those who seek to influence when they should not?

I think the Trust survey showed that the many fans want the Trust to seek change and i expect that will have been discussed heavily at the meeting last night. I would be very shocked if they are not putting the 30k to a members vote and if they do not asking if they should be seeking a change of leadership at the club.

Exactly, and you emphasise my point even more by highlighting three great things the Trust have done that were independent from the GTFC boardroom.. Every bad decision that's come from the GTFC boardroom the Trust haven't got a prayer of influencing final decisions or even airing their own opinion as they have to tow the boardroom line of discretion..

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Lets have it right though, the people who have given time to the Trust have been involved in some hugely positive things. Operation Promotion was an amazing effort and must have taken a huge amount of work. The response from the then SLO and Trust chairman to Bragate was fantastic and they were totally let down by the club.

It's clear from the comments that Bax has made that their are problems and that the club has been able to influence decisions and communications where it shouldnt be able to. Who's fault is that? is it well meaning people who give up their time for free or is it those who seek to influence when they should not?

I think the Trust survey showed that the many fans want the Trust to seek change and i expect that will have been discussed heavily at the meeting last night. I would be very shocked if they are not putting the 30k to a members vote and if they do not asking if they should be seeking a change of leadership at the club.

Good post hm

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Well maybe you being the font of all knowledge can put us right Grant?

Not for me to speak on other people’s behalf, Steve, but aren’t lines like “well known pro-Fenty acolytes” being “installed” are a bit OTT? The thread’s gone from the Trust being like a Women’s Institure committee to being such a political threat that Fenty, a man who demonstrably couldn’t run a bath, has installed covert pro-regime sleeper agents in the group and instigated the resignation (one effectively forced by the fans) of two successive chairs? How many people are on the Trust board - 8? 10? It’s my understanding that any decisions the Trust (eventually) make are decided by the board as a whole, if so Fenty’s done a right job in getting his acolytes to make up the majority of that group.

Why the Trust aren’t more visible on here I’ll never know. A massive failing. Without an official moderating presence on here, it effectively leaves a vacuum for the whole conversation to become massively polarised and people fill that with speculation and assumption. The Trust needs to play a much more active role in the discussions taking place about it.

Quoted from ska face

Not for me to speak on other people’s behalf, Steve, but aren’t lines like “well known pro-Fenty acolytes” being “installed” are a bit OTT? The thread’s gone from the Trust being like a Women’s Institure committee to being such a political threat that Fenty, a man who demonstrably couldn’t run a bath, has installed covert pro-regime sleeper agents in the group and instigated the resignation (one effectively forced by the fans) of two successive chairs? How many people are on the Trust board - 8? 10? It’s my understanding that any decisions the Trust (eventually) make are decided by the board as a whole, if so Fenty’s done a right job in getting his acolytes to make up the majority of that group.

Why the Trust aren’t more visible on here I’ll never know. A massive failing.

Ok, seeing as you have quoted something i said, i will withdraw it and put it another way. Both Chris Parker and Paul Savage have resigned from the Trust because they cannot work with the GTFC board, which in effect is JF, and both have mentioned him by name. So you could say that people opposed to the board don't last long, and it remains to be seen how the new chair fares in his role. I'm just quoting other people when i say he is aligned to JF. I have no personal knowledge of that being the case, so i apologise for my assumption.

Quoted from ska face

Not for me to speak on other people’s behalf, Steve, but aren’t lines like “well known pro-Fenty acolytes” being “installed” are a bit OTT? The thread’s gone from the Trust being like a Women’s Institure committee to being such a political threat that Fenty, a man who demonstrably couldn’t run a bath, has installed covert pro-regime sleeper agents in the group and instigated the resignation (one effectively forced by the fans) of two successive chairs? How many people are on the Trust board - 8? 10? It’s my understanding that any decisions the Trust (eventually) make are decided by the board as a whole, if so Fenty’s done a right job in getting his acolytes to make up the majority of that group.

Why the Trust aren’t more visible on here I’ll never know. A massive failing. Without an official moderating presence on here, it effectively leaves a vacuum for the whole conversation to become massively polarised and people fill that with speculation and assumption. The Trust needs to play a much more active role in the discussions taking place about it.

Maybe the Trust see the Fishy for what it is a massage board rather than a medium for communicating their day to day business or a consultative body but I do get what you mean and to a degree agree.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Lets have it right though, the people who have given time to the Trust have been involved in some hugely positive things. Operation Promotion was an amazing effort and must have taken a huge amount of work. The response from the then SLO and Trust chairman to Bragate was fantastic and they were totally let down by the club.

It's clear from the comments that Bax has made that their are problems and that the club has been able to influence decisions and communications where it shouldnt be able to. Who's fault is that? is it well meaning people who give up their time for free or is it those who seek to influence when they should not?

I think the Trust survey showed that the many fans want the Trust to seek change and i expect that will have been discussed heavily at the meeting last night. I would be very shocked if they are not putting the 30k to a members vote and if they do not asking if they should be seeking a change of leadership at the club.

Re last night’s meeting I had an email from a member of their committee earlier today in response to my questions. There is also a couple of statements coming out in the next couple of days in relation to the meeting.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Maybe the Trust see the Fishy for what it is a massage board rather than a medium for communicating their day to day business or a consultative body but I do get what you mean and to a degree agree.

It's not working for my back :o

Quoted from MuddyWaters

It's not working for my back :o

😂

If board meetings are confidential I assume no minutes are produced for public viewing, although I would assume they are taken. So under the "freedom of information act" cannot an individual or group request a copy, this is for both GTFC board and trust board.

Quoted from Gaffer58

If board meetings are confidential I assume no minutes are produced for public viewing, although I would assume they are taken. So under the "freedom of information act" cannot an individual or group request a copy, this is for both GTFC board and trust board.

Trust Board minutes are published on the Trust website.

FOIs are only for publically funded bodies - https://www.gov.uk/make-a-freedom-of-information-request/organisations-you-can-ask-for-information

I got a lifetime membership of the trust when BigChris was chairman, I was a big fan of his posts on here and an admirer of him without knowing him and really thought he and the trust could make a difference. I have to say I was really surprise when he resigned but understand why now.
I bought into the operation promotion and spent money I probably shouldn't have, much to my missus dissaproval 😉, but believed in, or fell for it all.
I also was a big supporter of Fenty and thought he'd been unlucky but thought he'd helped the club stay afloat, all this until he appointed Slade for the second time, I thought it was a big mistake as it immediately alienated probably 30% of the fans at a guess.
Having read various threads on JF etc. About operation promotion and after the fans forum when we were told to shut up by Marley etc I have to admit I've never felt so low and thoroughly fed up with Town as a club.
I've only been to 4 games this year, 2 of which have been Jolleys two home games, and I won't be there Saturday as I'm away.
In conclusion Fenty has to go, I don't know how or when it can be done but his desicions and most of the board members, Marley etc are just running MY club and I really feel we will go the way of York etc.
Will I be going next year, not a chance whilst Fenty and Marley are still around 😡😟

Quoted from headingly_mariner

Lets have it right though, the people who have given time to the Trust have been involved in some hugely positive things. Operation Promotion was an amazing effort and must have taken a huge amount of work. The response from the then SLO and Trust chairman to Bragate was fantastic and they were totally let down by the club.

It's clear from the comments that Bax has made that their are problems and that the club has been able to influence decisions and communications where it shouldnt be able to. Who's fault is that? is it well meaning people who give up their time for free or is it those who seek to influence when they should not?

I think the Trust survey showed that the many fans want the Trust to seek change and i expect that will have been discussed heavily at the meeting last night. I would be very shocked if they are not putting the 30k to a members vote and if they do not asking if they should be seeking a change of leadership at the club.

To be really fair, Kristine was the club's SLO not the Trust's. So her appointment was one thing the club got right in the last two seasons. Dumping her was one of the worst.

Quoted from GrimRob

It's all my fault I admit it. If I hadn't have founded the Fishy we'd still be in the Championship, and might even have been playing the Europa Cup tonight.

You internet entrepreneurs are making a habit of apologising this week. Did you and Zuck go to the same PR workshop recently? ;D

Quoted from KingstonMariner

You internet entrepreneurs are making a habit of apologising this week. Did you and Zuck go to the same PR workshop recently? ;D

The first time I have been compared with Zuck. I suppose we both run a web site that begins with F :)

Quoted from GrimRob

The first time I have been compared with Zuck. I suppose we both run a web site that begins with F :)

This one's much more exclusive though.

Quoted from ska face

Not for me to speak on other people’s behalf, Steve, but aren’t lines like “well known pro-Fenty acolytes” being “installed” are a bit OTT? The thread’s gone from the Trust being like a Women’s Institure committee to being such a political threat that Fenty, a man who demonstrably couldn’t run a bath, has installed covert pro-regime sleeper agents in the group and instigated the resignation (one effectively forced by the fans) of two successive chairs? How many people are on the Trust board - 8? 10? It’s my understanding that any decisions the Trust (eventually) make are decided by the board as a whole, if so Fenty’s done a right job in getting his acolytes to make up the majority of that group.

Why the Trust aren’t more visible on here I’ll never know. A massive failing. Without an official moderating presence on here, it effectively leaves a vacuum for the whole conversation to become massively polarised and people fill that with speculation and assumption. The Trust needs to play a much more active role in the discussions taking place about it.

Good post and totally agree it`s usually left to barralad to fend off the critics.To me like it or loathe it The Fishy provides the biggest cross section of Town fans from all over the globe and is easily the busiest the Trust guys need to get on here and stand there corner.

How long until the minutes are published on the website.

Quoted from Davec

Yes he is.

No he isn't. As Trust interim chair Alan's responsibilities are to the members.

The minutes are up now.- :)

http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Minutes-4th-April-2018.pdf

Gobdmacked. Absolutely disgraceful lack of discussion about recent events. What about the survey result discussion? Who are supporters direct who appear to have a lot of input?

Quoted from Trickytrev

The minutes are up now.- :)

http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Minutes-4th-April-2018.pdf

Here's me expecting to read about what the Trust board think about the big issues like what do they do about their level of board room influence, the 30k a year, the fact that most fans want Fenty out, etc... but, hey, as long as they can get some birthday cards out all is good in the world. Ffs.

Isn't the new head of the trust a strong supporter of fenty?

Quoted from barralad

No he isn't. As Trust interim chair Alan's responsibilities are to the members.

;D  ;D

Terry Rudrum isn't a Fenty man either  ;)

When the minutes mention statements and being approved by the board before release, which board do you mean?  The Trust board or the GTFC board?

The minutes just show what a joke the Trust are.

Quoted from realist

Gobdmacked. Absolutely disgraceful lack of discussion about recent events. What about the survey result discussion? Who are supporters direct who appear to have a lot of input?

https://supporters-direct.org/

Quoted from Trickytrev

The minutes are up now.- :)

http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Minutes-4th-April-2018.pdf

Why bother? Really why are they bothering? People seem to love meetings and even more so committee meetings that get the square root of zero done.

Our only hope is that a consortium with business acumen, money and determination make Fenty an offer he cannot refuse.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Why bother? Really why are they bothering? People seem to love meetings and even more so committee meetings that get the square root of zero done.

Our only hope is that a consortium with business acumen, money and determination make Fenty an offer he cannot refuse.

Exactly. That document increases my faith in the machinations of the Trust by approximately zero. That said, if you have no influence, then there can't be a lot to discuss anyway.

What's the point in these meetings? They achieve nothing, constantly skirting around important issues to talk about smartphone quizzes and stuff. This is why I am not a member and potentially never will be, along with reasons others have mentioned...

If Barralad or anybody else wishes to convince me otherwise than they can.

http://www.marinerstrust.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2018/04/Minutes-4th-April-2018.pdf

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Not impressed by those minutes and what was discussed at all and in no way makes me even think about joining.

Is that it? FFS nothing at all on the topics that are actually bothering the average fan.

The Trust is clearly as toothless at its own board meetings as it is at those of the club board, unless the Trust have given Fenty a seat on their board (I hope they are charging him if they have) and he is dictating what can be made public as usual

So to be fair the minutes reflect the agenda which actually shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone as that’s the way most board meetings go.

I attend a few board meetings each year and usually if we want to add an agenda point at short notice we propose a resolution take a vote and if carried it gets added to the agenda. This is corporate law process not sure if applies to Trusts and charities but we used to work in that manner when I was part of my local rugby club exec. Usually in both spheres if it’s not on the written agenda it doesn’t get minuted unless it’s “raised AOB”.

When you read the minutes at the end it mentioned that a fan had sent in some questions relating to recruitment, retention and what their strategy will be going forward, we’ll that was me. I took the time to ask a couple of pertinent questions and tonight received a very polite and encouraging e-mail in response. I am not going to share it on here as it was private but the content said to me that the people involved in the Trust really care and are as worried as we are about our current predicament.

I am 100% sure that we will see some “policy” or “agenda” from them in the next couple of weeks. Will it be what we all want? I doubt it as “ you can please some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time” .

What also needs to be recognised (my thoughts not their words) it’s that at this moment it’s a really challenging time for the club as a whole and there can only be one objective - to stay up. Once we know our league status my view it would be right for the Trust to release what they stand for and their objectives.

No doubt I’ll get called to fcuk on here for the above but taking the time to share my observations and questions with the Trust board felt like the right thing to do at the time.

UTM!!!

BTW - Don’t Red Cross as I tuned it off months ago 😉

Fair comment Herts.
Ps you didnt

Quoted from HertsGTFC

So to be fair the minutes reflect the agenda which actually shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone as that’s the way most board meetings go.

I attend a few board meetings each year and usually if we want to add an agenda point at short notice we propose a resolution take a vote and if carried it gets added to the agenda. This is corporate law process not sure if applies to Trusts and charities but we used to work in that manner when I was part of my local rugby club exec. Usually in both spheres if it’s not on the written agenda it doesn’t get minuted unless it’s “raised AOB”.

When you read the minutes at the end it mentioned that a fan had sent in some questions relating to recruitment, retention and what their strategy will be going forward, we’ll that was me. I took the time to ask a couple of pertinent questions and tonight received a very polite and encouraging e-mail in response. I am not going to share it on here as it was private but the content said to me that the people involved in the Trust really care and are as worried as we are about our current predicament.

I am 100% sure that we will see some “policy” or “agenda” from them in the next couple of weeks. Will it be what we all want? I doubt it as “ you can please some of the people all the time and all of the people some of the time” .

What also needs to be recognised (my thoughts not their words) it’s that at this moment it’s a really challenging time for the club as a whole and there can only be one objective - to stay up. Once we know our league status my view it would be right for the Trust to release what they stand for and their objectives.

No doubt I’ll get called to fcuk on here for the above but taking the time to share my observations and questions with the Trust board felt like the right thing to do at the time.

UTM!!!

BTW - Don’t Red Cross as I tuned it off months ago 😉

I think a lot of people would rather whinge than get involved and make a difference. But then mention of 're-branding' does smack of fiddling while Rome burns.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I think a lot of people would rather whinge than get involved and make a difference. But then mention of 're-branding' does smack of fiddling while Rome burns.

Yeah quite possibly, but I do sense the people involved realise they need a big re-launch regardless of the outcome of the next few games.

I think “re-brand” is under cooking it a bit from the dialogue I have had there is a realisation that they need to move on quickly - quite a difficult task in a dictatorship

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Yeah quite possibly, but I do sense the people involved realise they need a big re-launch regardless of the outcome of the next few games.

I think “re-brand” is under cooking it a bit from the dialogue I have had there is a realisation that they need to move on quickly - quite a difficult task in a dictatorship

Why should they have to re-brand ? It’s not coke fking cola. It’s a fourth division football club supporters trust.
They can call it what they like. If they still appease the Fenty regime they will fail. The sad thing is, just like the club itself they have failed to capitalise the crest of the wave.

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. Maybe it's because I associate re-brands with organisations that are failing and continue to fail after the re-brand.

Like a school near where I used to live. Went through three names, and two re-brands*, in the 8 years I lived near it, and it still was rated 'Requires Improvement' last time I looked.

* including one when it had the fantastic strapline 'Hampton Academy.....A learning school'. As opposed to the ones where you're not supposed to learn. :P

Anyway, getting back to the point, time and effort and money spent re-branding is a big distraction from the real business in hand, and a waste of time. I think the time would be better spent getting the message out there why the Trust is (could be) important, what it can achieve and how people can help achieve it if they did join and got involved. I think anything else is secondary. Especially when, as it reported the other month, the Trust is short of cash.

Good to see that they've asked for SD for help though.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Anyway, getting back to the point, time and effort and money spent re-branding is a big distraction from the real business in hand, and a waste of time. I think the time would be better spent getting the message out there why the Trust is (could be) important, what it can achieve and how people can help achieve it if they did join and got involved

Well what do to think a rebrand would entail - changing the logo? Getting some different headed paper? They’ve even mentioned in the minutes the need to review the membership prices. Are people being deliberately obtuse to make some kind of point?

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I think anything else is secondary. Especially when, as it reported the other month, the Trust is short of cash.

Yet when they’ve suggested new methods of raising cash outside of memberships (smart phone quizzes for one) you’ve got people taking the urine saying they should be focussed on the revolution, rather than the day-to-day?

Quoted from ska face

Well what do to think a rebrand would entail - changing the logo? Getting some different headed paper? They’ve even mentioned in the minutes the need to review the membership prices. Are people being deliberately obtuse to make some kind of point?

Yet when they’ve suggested new methods of raising cash outside of memberships (smart phone quizzes for one) you’ve got people taking the urine saying they should be focussed on the revolution, rather than the day-to-day?

No I'm not being deliberately obtuse. But resignage?

As for raising cash my point is get the membership numbers up and the cash will follow. Or are you being deliberately obtuse? Membership is the day-to-day of an organisation based on members. In fact it's fundamental to the whole purpose of the organisation. What's difficult about that for you to understand?