So when the system doesn't work try something new. heres what i would try.
                                         Kean

                       COLLINS OSBORNE CLARKE
                
             Mills                                                    Davies  
                                        mcallister
                                                                            

                                       Clements              

                  Dembelle                               DJ  
                                         Vernam



Surely Mcallister has to be the best in mid when fot, clem needs a go and the any striker with dj and dembele each side.

Is Osbrone one of the quality signings?

We are a squad lacking in pace but that 11 really highlights it. I'd like to find a way of freeing up Dembele and DJ to be more attacking which I guess that team does but Davies isn't quick enough to play wingback and Clements and McCallister have barely kicked a ball between them this season.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

We are a squad lacking in pace but that 11 really highlights it. I'd like to find a way of freeing up Dembele and DJ to be more attacking which I guess that team does but Davies isn't quick enough to play wingback and Clements and McCallister have barely kicked a ball between them this season.

No they havent and why? surely once match fit  mac and clem are better than what we have? no disrespect to summers who has looked good but what is the benchmark for that to be set against.
Davies to be fair to him has looked more than capable since switching to the left.
i reckon the system gives some freedom to the front 3 to really get at the defence

I was surprised at how well Davies did when he switched sides, but wing back is a different matter entirely. I wouldn't be against us trying 3 at the back though; 442 certainly isn't working! Maybe Wright could be recalled to be given a shot there?

As for McAllister I doubt he'll ever be match fit.

For me it would be harsh to drop Summerfield over Clemment's/Mcallister. Our stand out player for a good few games now, really gives it a go.

I think there's probably a reason why nobody in history has ever attempted a formation like that.

Quoted from monkeyboy

So when the system doesn't work try something new. heres what i would try.
                                         Kean

                       COLLINS OSBORNE CLARKE
                
             Mills                                                    Davies  
                                        mcallister
                                                                            

                                       Clements              

                  Dembelle                               DJ  
                                         Vernam



Surely Mcallister has to be the best in mid when fot, clem needs a go and the any striker with dj and dembele each side.

Nor sure Vernam is able to lead the front line he is more a play maker so that leave either Vernon ,Hooper or Asante but Vernam hould be in there somewhere he showed a lot of potential.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Nor sure Vernam is able to lead the front line he is more a play maker so that leave either Vernon ,Hooper or Asante

Not there as a target man, how bout play the ball on the floor to vernam then the other boys running of the sides of him, then if he is a playmaker this will be bread and butter to him. lets forget the hoofball and keep the ball on the deck.

We haven't got the pace or athleticism in the full-backs to play with wing-backs.

Mills could probably do an OK job on the right, but Dixon or Davies on the left? No way.

If Clements was fit enough (and Matt's appeal was granted!), I'd try the following 4-2-3-1:

               Killop
Mills  Clarke  Osborne  Davies
  Summerfield  Clements
Dembele  Jones  Jaiyesimi
                Matt

Effectively 4-2-4 in attack (yeah, I know I'm being a bit hopeful) and 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 when defending.

Failing that, a 4-3-1-2:

               Killop
Mills  Clarke  Osborne  Davies
Summerfield  Rose  Clements
             Dembele
           Jones  Matt

Dembele interchangeable with Jaiyesimi in the role behind the front two depending on what you're looking for. Jaiyesimi is stronger and has more of the attributes of a third striker, whereas Dembele buzzing around in that space might be able to cause other problems.

Why waste all this time debating tactics just drop all the names in a hat and draw out 11 couldn't play any worse and think of the energy saved thinking about tactics,which seem to go out of the window after first 10 mins.

Quoted from friskneymariner

Why waste all this time debating tactics just drop all the names in a hat and draw out 11 couldn't play any worse and think of the energy saved thinking about tactics,which seem to go out of the window after first 10 mins.

Nah, Bignot tried that and it wasn't much better.

Quoted from Maringer

We haven't got the pace or athleticism in the full-backs to play with wing-backs.

Mills could probably do an OK job on the right, but Dixon or Davies on the left? No way.

If Clements was fit enough (and Matt's appeal was granted!), I'd try the following 4-2-3-1:

               Killop
Mills  Clarke  Osborne  Davies
  Summerfield  Clements
Dembele  Jones  Jaiyesimi
                Matt

Effectively 4-2-4 in attack (yeah, I know I'm being a bit hopeful) and 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 when defending.

Failing that, a 4-3-1-2:

               Killop
Mills  Clarke  Osborne  Davies
Summerfield  Rose  Clements
             Dembele
           Jones  Matt

Dembele interchangeable with Jaiyesimi in the role behind the front two depending on what you're looking for. Jaiyesimi is stronger and has more of the attributes of a third striker, whereas Dembele buzzing around in that space might be able to cause other problems.

So you're not bothering with Vernam then?

Forgot about Vernam.

Possibly try him behind Jones and Matt in the 4-3-1-2? Alternatively, as one of the 3 behind Matt in a 4-2-3-1.

He looked to me more of an attacking midfielder than a striker from where he was collecting the ball, but that's perhaps down to our lack of possession in attacking areas.

Dembele looks like he could do with a rest as he's not done anything in recent games so wouldn't perhaps be a bad thing to put him on the bench and just have him as an option to change things around.

Quoted from mariner91

Nah, Bignot tried that and it wasn't much better.

But still better 8)

Quoted from Maringer

Forgot about Vernam.

Possibly try him behind Jones and Matt in the 4-3-1-2? Alternatively, as one of the 3 behind Matt in a 4-2-3-1.

He looked to me more of an attacking midfielder than a striker from where he was collecting the ball, but that's perhaps down to our lack of possession in attacking areas.

Dembele looks like he could do with a rest as he's not done anything in recent games so wouldn't perhaps be a bad thing to put him on the bench and just have him as an option to change things around.

Nothing against Matt, he tries hard, but he seems to be an excuse to lump it high. I would much rather we looked to play a formation that suits our pacier players than lumping it to Matt.

Problem is that our pacier players aren't very pacy!

Don't think we've got a single player who can run away from opposition defenders if they manage to beat them.

I don't think we're good enough to play a passing game so we need a physical presence up front to play off to the best of our abilities. Matt's the best (only?) option we have in that role.

Mcalister will not play for us again

Davies got absolutely roasted playing wing back at Crewe last season.

When you're in a rut, all pundits and ex-players say time and again to play your best players in their best positions.

Our problem is that Slade doesn't seem to know who his best players are, or what their best positions are.

Realistically if players are fit and not suspended it needs to be something like:

Mckeown (Kean)
Mills Clarke Collins Davies
Dembele Summerfield Rose Jaiyesimi
Jones Matt (Vernon/Vernam/Hooper/Cardwell)

I notice that Jones, while currently out of form, is our top scorer with 6, and Rose has 5. That's where the goals are, but both were on the bench on Saturday.

Play them, give players chances to build partnerships and the confidence/results will come.

What we’re proving here is that we don’t have enough players who are good enough. We’re short of a proper left back, a creative central midfielder, a genuine left sided winger who can perhaps whip in a decent cross and set play and a striker who can score. There were no end of crosses put in by Mills and Dembele on Saturday but there was nobody there!

All wasted breath. It'll be 4-4-2, long balls, set pieces, crosses and unenforced errors for ever.