for another month https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2017/december/osborne-to-stay-with-the-moors/

Lets face it there is no space in Sladeball for a skillful centre midfielder, emergency recall is only in case we get all 2 centre mids crocked at once as he will put Woolford in there before Osbourne.  :(

Personal reasons. Don’t turn everything into an anti Slade article.

Ffs was really excited about a fit Osborne coming straight in on Saturday

Sad to say it but I don't think we'll see him in a Town shirt again.

What an absolute mug I am for believing him and the club about it only being a one month loan so he can build fitness. He's staying at a shite little club, something's gone on there. Scandalous, whatever's gone on, he needs to get his bottom back to Grimsby, whether or not he has self imposed 'transport' issues or not, get in a b and b, take responsibility and do the job you've been signed for and are being paid for.

Maybe I'm being unfair here, but I'm hearing things and it's a joke.

I'm beginning to think that when he eventually does come back his heart may still be elsewhere, which will be a shame as there's good potential in him

What are you hearing Reverend?

We're about as exciting as the old Arsenal from the 80/90's when the saying was " 1-0 to the Arsenal" trouble is we don't score that many. We maybe tight at the back but no way is this team going to make the playoffs as we cannot score, hence our goal difference will always be in the minus.

If it is "personal reasons" then I would demand he returns myself. He has plenty of time after training and after a Saturday afternoon to sort out personal stuff. How does he think a normal working man gets his life together?

Whatever it is isn't stopping him playing football is it? He should be playing for us and thats the end of it.  

I've never known so many players disappear because of 'personal issues' as I have this last year.

Quoted from Theimperialcoroner

What are you hearing Reverend?

Have to be careful, but I'm hearing he has newly found legal transport issues in relation to being able to drive his car and he lives out of Grimsby.

Quoted from barrattstandman

Personal reasons. Don’t turn everything into an anti Slade article.

That wasn't anti slade, just my personal view on his preferred tactics and personnel choces based on his  tactics/team selections and signings when he has been our manager.

Heard a rumour along the lines of what BPV said at the game on Tuesday. Source not brilliant/unproven.

Quoted from Madeleymariner

Lets face it there is no space in Sladeball for a skillful centre midfielder, emergency recall is only in case we get all 2 centre mids crocked at once as he will put Woolford in there before Osbourne.  :(

I am surprised Slade hasn't put his foot down and recalled him but I think the Sladeball jibe is uncalled for. We are a 4th division side at the end of the day, and we are not particularly long ball anyway.

Quoted from pizzzza

Sad to say it but I don't think we'll see him in a Town shirt again.

What did a red carded Fishy member and myself tell you when he went . We got a load of shite back from all those supposedly in the know.          It just goes to show that thick people think intelligent people are thick

Quoted from golfer

What did a red carded Fishy member and myself tell you when he went . We got a load of shite back from all those supposedly in the know.          It just goes to show that thick people think intelligent people are thick

None so blind as those who do not want to see.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I am surprised Slade hasn't put his foot down and recalled him but I think the Sladeball jibe is uncalled for. We are a 4th division side at the end of the day, and we are not particularly long ball anyway.

Funny you should say that LCL…

When I was on my way back from Luton I had the local BBC radio station on (3CR) and they drew attention to Luton’s passing game and mentioned Town’s long ball game

I tend to agree with you that ‘Sladeball’ gets a bit of a bad press but their commentators obviously saw something with us to raise the issue

What a waste of a player to be languishing at the bottom of the none league. If he is having "transport issues" he should be crashing a B&B and back in a black and white shirt to help create that spark we need.

Quoted from 75

Have to be careful, but I'm hearing he has newly found legal transport issues in relation to being able to drive his car and he lives out of Grimsby.

You’re right BP we do have to be careful. Trial by social media can be dodgy. I have heard similar but again I must stress only from the rumour mill. However, IF that is the case then he moves nearer to the club he has a contract with. Or sorts out a lift in for training/matches.  

Quoted from 75

Have to be careful, but I'm hearing he has newly found legal transport issues in relation to being able to drive his car and he lives out of Grimsby.

You mean he's been to a BBQ mate?

Maybe Jamey thinks like quite a few of our fans and thinks Slade's a nobber and doesn't want to play for him.

Maybe he realised he was happier playing for his local club, with his family and friends around him, and working part time too.

God knows. Gutted that we’re probably not going to see him play for us again, but at the end of the day, I’d rather support players that want to be here, even if they’re not as talented.

Say what you want about Slade, but I just can’t see him not wanting to have a fit Jamey in or around the team...there must be more to it than that.

We paid a few for him so he should sort it out, if as alleged it's transport issues then it's not beyond the wit of man to solve this.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

We paid a few for him so he should sort it out, if as alleged it's transport issues then it's not beyond the wit of man to solve this. Is this not a breach of contract?

Wouldn't want to be unfair to him, I may well be wrong. But I think he or / and the club owes it to the supporters who pay his wages to tell us the truth, for once. I believed him when he said he'd be back for the Accrington game, he wanted to get a few games under his belt. We don't deserve to be lied to, though it appears to be standard and has been pretty much since JF has been involved, whether that's an outright lie, or omissions. I'm bored of it.

Wasn't he car sharing with Clements from Birmingham?

I think the immediate recall is so he can be sold to another club in January personally.

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

I am surprised Slade hasn't put his foot down and recalled him but I think the Sladeball jibe is uncalled for. We are a 4th division side at the end of the day, and we are not particularly long ball anyway.

Maybe the problem is JO did just that?!  ;)

He got a 2 1/2 year deal, he should have moved to the area. There is no way we should've signed players on long contracts who weren't willing to move to within an hour of the area.

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

Funny you should say that LCL…

When I was on my way back from Luton I had the local BBC radio station on (3CR) and they drew attention to Luton’s passing game and mentioned Town’s long ball game

I tend to agree with you that ‘Sladeball’ gets a bit of a bad press but their commentators obviously saw something with us to raise the issue

Luton are flying and scoring for fun. They play an expansive passing game and are said to be the Man City of league 2, so I wouldn't put much store by that comparison. I guess most of the teams they are thrashing look a "long ball side" as they desperately try to clear the danger.  

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Maybe the problem is JO did just that?!  ;)

I see what you did there!  Is that the reason, if so it wouldn't be for that long would it? in any event, should be made to stay here in a B&B for part of the week if that is the case and he cannot drive.  

I have no idea LCL. Only just seen the inferences of rumours on this thread.

But you're right. In most employment contracts it's your duty to get to your place of work. Ridiculous if that's the 'personal reasons' referred to when the original loan was announced.

We'll have to wait and see what comes out.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

He got a 2 1/2 year deal, he should have moved to the area. There is no way we should've signed players on long contracts who weren't willing to move to within an hour of the area.

Maybe that was a fault of Bignot’s. He’s not the only player from the Midlands, signed by Bignot, that looks to be on his way out.

Maybe Bignot didn’t mind the travelling, and Slade does? Every manager is different I guess.

What the hell ever happened to Clements? Has he even played a single game on loan?

Quoted from headingly_mariner

He got a 2 1/2 year deal, he should have moved to the area. There is no way we should've signed players on long contracts who weren't willing to move to within an hour of the area.

Yes completely agree, but don't forget he was signed by a deluded tw@t who wanted to prove he could bring more "technical ability" into the club as he wasn't to keen on the honest, hardworking pro's he inherited...................he's currently making the same fcuk up's at Chester BTW ;) Oddly enough out of all the players Bignot brought in only Jones remains available for this Saturday's game if memory serves me right.

I would imagine we have seen the last of him in a Town shirt, I reckon if we can get a bit of cash for him we'll cut our loses, not what I want to see but if a players not happy then maybe it is best for all involved.

Real shame!

If RS wanted Jamie back he would find a way of making it happen. Personal/family reasons would account for a limited spell back 'home' . Anything else would imply a transfer request surely. Either way, we need 'an impeccable source' or preferably, more clarity from  the parties involved.

I dont usually side with slade  but. this seems like another player that gets injured,, uses all out time and money to get fit and then just wants to sodomist off for some sad reason.. slade should make him come back and work for his money end of.. Where slade falls down on this one is not being honest with the paying fans,, we all saw this coming , he has seen or heard what the fans have been saying for weeks now and hid behind silence . if players just want to play with there mates and family,, stay where you are , not hard is it

So he'd rather play for Solihull than us? Shows the state we are in.

Quoted from Kris2

So he'd rather play for Solihull than us? Shows the state we are in.

Or it shows why, despite his obvious ability, at 25 he's only played half a season at tier 5 of the football pyramid and a handful of games professionally. Maybe he doesn't have the drive or ambition to make it as a pro and he's happier being the best player on the pitch in front of less than 1000 fans.

Quoted from mariner91

Or it shows why, despite his obvious ability, at 25 he's only played half a season at tier 5 of the football pyramid and a handful of games professionally. Maybe he doesn't have the drive or ambition to make it as a pro and he's happier being the best player on the pitch in front of less than 1000 fans.

If that's the case it's a shocking waste of his ability, at 25 you'd have to say this is his last chance at pushing up the leagues.  

I rather worryingly suggested on the last Jamie Osborne thread (19 Dec.) that personal reasons could well be behind his return home.Got 6 ‘x’s which would a very willing price to pay if he returned for Accrington. To continue my thoughts, I suspect now a wife at home might hold all the Ace’s and Russel has his hands tied.
I hope we are all proved wrong and he returns, fulfills his contract during which time he reaches his full potential
which should mean we become serious challengers,he earns another contract or moves on for big money.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

If that's the case it's a shocking waste of his ability, at 25 you'd have to say this is his last chance at pushing up the leagues.  

I wholeheartedly agree. If the rumours are true and he's based in Birmingham still despite signing for us with a long-term contract then that in itself suggests a lack of commitment. If it's because he's now allegedly got a driving ban (just rent a flat ffs) then perhaps he's not really that fussed about making it. If you really wanted to then you'd find a way around what is a reasonably trivial matter.

Quoted from mariner91

Or it shows why, despite his obvious ability, at 25 he's only played half a season at tier 5 of the football pyramid and a handful of games professionally. Maybe he doesn't have the drive or ambition to make it as a pro and he's happier being the best player on the pitch in front of less than 1000 fans.

It's a fair point Matt to be honest within 18 months his life is possibly unrecognizable from what it was on top of all the football stuff I think he has a young family and I know from experience that it's difficult to deal with when you working away or commuting daily/weekly.

I think he had a trade before he went full time so as mad as it sounds working and playing part time closer to home might leave better of financially and emotionally.

I would like to see him in a Town shirt again but if it's not going to work lets move him on and free up the payroll for the Jan window.

  

Slades the manager and ultimately Slade takes the rap. He clearly doesn't rate a good few of our players despite what we see as fans.

He won't get sacked by Fenty bar a plunge to the relegation places.

There will be a big summer clear out of a lot of player's that don't suit sladeball and next season we will see the full effect of his management skills. Hoof.

That I'm afraid is the bottom line.

I can't stand sladeball by the way. I am in no way endorsing the state of things. I just can't see a positive outcome.

Unless he has a January and summer shopping list that includes players with pace, power, and a goal keeper that can catch a cross and doesn't chuck a few in the next we will be watching the same old turgid football.


On that joyous note.
Happy New Year.

Quoted from denni266

I dont usually side with slade  but. this seems like another player that gets injured,, uses all out time and money to get fit and then just wants to sodomist off for some sad reason.. slade should make him come back and work for his money end of.. Where slade falls down on this one is not being honest with the paying fans,, we all saw this coming , he has seen or heard what the fans have been saying for weeks now and hid behind silence . if players just want to play with there mates and family,, stay where you are , not hard is it

I think for once we have to trust Slade's judgement here, he is an experienced manager who has a good record with player engagement and is closer to the situation that anyone on here. Maybe Slade's hands have been tied with regard to making public statements especially if it's a "private" or "legal" matter. I get the "he should be made" bit and in a normal world that should be the case but it's football and all the power sits with the player even at this level.

Very easy to blame Slade but he may be trying to rescue the situation and at the very least get a small fee for the player if he goes.

Whatever the truth of this situation, and we will probably never know, I find this really disappointing and confusing because he is technically good and would improve our starting 11 IMO.  It might be out of the club's hands and is probably not a question of his actual ability, but, based on what we know (ie, very little), staying at Solihull - this struggling tin pot conference outfit looks a stinker and a bit odd, given that he's seemingly proved himself to be a footballer worthy of playing comfortably higher than that.

Baffled and a bit cross.

Quoted from lowerfindus

Slades the manager and ultimately Slade takes the rap. He clearly doesn't rate a good few of our players despite what we see as fans.

He won't get sacked by Fenty bar a plunge to the relegation places.

There will be a big summer clear out of a lot of player's that don't suit sladeball and next season we will see the full effect of his management skills. Hoof.

That I'm afraid is the bottom line.

I can't stand sladeball by the way. I am in no way endorsing the state of things. I just can't see a positive outcome.

Unless he has a January and summer shopping list that includes players with pace, power, and a goal keeper that can catch a cross and doesn't chuck a few in the next we will be watching the same old turgid football.


On that joyous note.
Happy New Year.

Why is the Osborne situation Slade's fault?

Quoted from lew chaterleys lover

Luton are flying and scoring for fun. They play an expansive passing game and are said to be the Man City of league 2, so I wouldn't put much store by that comparison. I guess most of the teams they are thrashing look a "long ball side" as they desperately try to clear the danger.  

And apparently we're being touted as the millwall of div 2

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Why is the Osborne situation Slade's fault?

Where did I say the Osborne situation is Slade's fault?

If osbourne has got personal/ driving issues, how on earth can that be slade so fault?

One other point re Luton, there's absolutely no chance of us being able to play through
Lutons midfield.the only choice was to bypass them and try and create something out of a long ball

Quoted from lowerfindus

Where did I say the Osborne situation is Slade's fault?

Maybe I read it wrong but............

"Slades the manager and ultimately Slade takes the rap. He clearly doesn't rate a good few of our players despite what we see as fans."

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Quoted from HertsGTFC

Maybe I read it wrong but............

"Slades the manager and ultimately Slade takes the rap. He clearly doesn't rate a good few of our players despite what we see as fans."

Applicable to any player we have out on loan, of which there are plenty. The point being ultimately it's Slades decision, right or wrong and he will be judged accordingly. If he wanted Jamey here he would be.

Very different to blaming slade for whatever this unknown situation is, if there really is one.  

Quoted from lowerfindus

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Applicable to any player we have out on loan, of which there are plenty. The point being ultimately it's Slades decision, right or wrong and he will be judged accordingly. If he wanted Jamey here he would be.

Very different to blaming slade for whatever this unknown situation is, if there really is one.  

Thanks for clarifying!

Isnt Clements due back next week? transport sorted potentially?

Isnt Clements due back next week? transport sorted potentially?

from the Barrow forum. says a lot for us when clem and yusef cant even make match day squad

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Post  by DaveBarter » Sat Dec 23, 2017 3:00 pm

Giggaboom wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:55 pm
DaveBarter wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2017 2:26 pm
Not making the 16 Bauress, Yussuf, Bignot, Clements, Audel or Fitzpatrick.
Boxing Day in mind perhaps
Yeah making full use of the squad, although Clements may not be used - he seems to be out of favour these days and isn't likely to have the loan extended I feel.

This may be of no relevance but -

I saw slade lick Jamey’s left hand, he then stroked it and poured salt on it and squirted a lemon in his right eye.

I’ve never witness such an act before so don’t know if it’s just a mating ritual in the swashy or a normal act between an older guy with his apprentice. They looked friendly with each other though so I don’t think there’s been a fall out.

Possibly he isn't 110% yet? We could do with him right now...

Very unlikely to play for us again. Only thing I’ve heard is that he allegedly doesn’t want to be here.

If he doesn't want to play for us let's move on! There are several thousand footballers better than him on the planet, I know not many of them are at BP at the moment, but I bet a few of them would like to be so let's find them!

What a uncomfortable situation all round.

Slade does know how good he is and would clearly love him to be back here he is giving him plenty of time to make his mind up.

Ultimately it's up to Jamie whether he want's to play for us he was offered and signed a long contract he also stated to the fans he would see us all after Christmas.

A player of obvious ability as the chance to not only play for us but climb to an even higher level in the future.

I just hope it is not another Butler situation and earlier still Gorden Hobson both did a runner.

Slade as to look at the big picture and concentrate on beating Accrington first and foremost.

Quoted from GrimRob

If he doesn't want to play for us let's move on! There are several thousand footballers better than him on the planet, I know not many of them are at BP at the moment, but I bet a few of them would like to be so let's find them!

Agreed..... ironically  Solihull have a sell on clause don't they.

Quoted from promotion plaice

Agreed..... ironically  Solihull have a sell on clause don't they.

I doubt he has massive market value at the moment

Quoted from headingly_mariner

He got a 2 1/2 year deal, he should have moved to the area. There is no way we should've signed players on long contracts who weren't willing to move to within an hour of the area.

The "Buckley Rule".  Quite right too.

If he has transport issues, then surely he can stay here Tuesday to Saturday and be chauffeured back to his home.  Now if it were that simple, it would surely have happened already, so there's probably more to it.

Will be interesting to see what comes out of this in the end.  Probably a 1am statement to come!

Potentially a very good player at Div 4 level but the same rules apply to all , if he doesn't want to be here and he doesn't want to honour the contract he signed, then we're better off without him.

Hot off the press:

[tweet]946502083133497344[/tweet]

Quoted from LH

Hot off the press:

[tweet]946502083133497344[/tweet]

Not exactly what you want to hear. I would like to hear him saying that he wants to win a starting place for the team he's contracted to.

Quoted from LH

Hot off the press:

[tweet]946502083133497344[/tweet]

If he “is not needed” would that suggest he’s on the disposals list in the window?

Hope not to be honest

The “not needed at this moment in time” is an odd line.

Why do people automatically assume that “personal issues” are to do with family?

To be honest , if i was told i was not needed when the likes of woolford , hooper etc are getting game time , i would either poke slade in the eye and drag him to specksavers,, or hang me boots up for good

Tin pot player who can’t take being away from home boo fookin hoo . Get rid and spend his wages on someone who wants to play or give a player like Clifton a run who would swim across a crocodile infested river to get to a game .

Not needed at this moment in time how utterly bizarre.

Quoted from Swansea_Mariner

Not needed at this moment in time how utterly bizarre.

"Not needed at this moment in time due to personal circumstances." puts it into the correct context so something else is a big issue here.

Its not a club any more its a circus  , run from top to bottom my clowns.   Have you read this Mr Fenty,, what the hell have you hired as a manager.. He is prob the best midfielder at the club and he is not needed ,, god help us all

I was prepared to give the benefit of the doubt while this was a "fitness loan", but "if I'm not needed" and "immediate recall option" say to me that he's either not wanted by the management and they're looking to minimise wage outlay while they try to sell him on, or that this is now not a "fitness loan" but a "disciplinary loan" designed to keep him saleable because he hasn't shown the requisite attitude or off-field discipline to be able to put himself in the frame for selection.  

You could pick apart all of these phrases for hidden meaning.  "If I'm not needed" could mean "Since you've no damn intention of picking me, Slades you big hoofball merchant." or it could mean "I need to be here with my family all week, but can come back to play if you have a sudden injury crisis".

"Personal reasons" can cover a multitude of things so I hope his situation is resolved soon.

Quoted from louth_in_the_south

Tin pot player who can’t take being away from home boo fookin hoo . Get rid and spend his wages on someone who wants to play or give a player like Clifton a run who would swim across a crocodile infested river to get to a game .

You know that's not gonna happen either.

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

I was prepared to give the benefit of the doubt while this was a "fitness loan", but "if I'm not needed" and "immediate recall option" say to me that he's either not wanted by the management and they're looking to minimise wage outlay while they try to sell him on, or that this is now not a "fitness loan" but a "disciplinary loan" designed to keep him saleable because he hasn't shown the requisite attitude or off-field discipline to be able to put himself in the frame for selection.  

You could pick apart all of these phrases for hidden meaning.  "If I'm not needed" could mean "Since you've no damn intention of picking me, Slades you big hoofball merchant." or it could mean "I need to be here with my family all week, but can come back to play if you have a sudden injury crisis".

"Personal reasons" can cover a multitude of things so I hope his situation is resolved soon.

Probably a bit of both. I read it as 'if I'm flogging a dead horse and you're not gonna put me in the squad why am I going to flog myself up and down the motorways or be away from home.' And as Herts said, if he's got a decent job, part-time football close to family and friends might be economically and socially more inviting than 4th division football.

Maybe the "Shin splints" thing became more of an issue when he went full time with us.

Just saying.

Perhaps Kingston, though I find it hard to believe he's moonlighting at the moment and I'm not aware that he has a profession or trade to take up on the side in any event.

If I had to come down on one of the scenarios, I'm inclined to think that he's got a personal or family situation that needs attention, and that the "If needed" statement refers to one-off games such as if we were to have an injury and red-card epidemic and need him for a game, then he'd come back for a few days.  

We've seen from other players (Matt, Clements, Browne) that players do often need time near family so in the context of a two and a half year deal, I hope he'll be back and ready to reward the club's support for him.

For over a year now and possibly a lot longer there have been lies and lies and more lies and when G.T. come out to dispel these lies there are more lies. There is hardly any information coming out of B.P. to inform the supporters of what is going on. If they made TRUTHFUL statements every now and again Grimsby Town would be a happier place and this would most likely travel onto the pitch

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Probably a bit of both. I read it as 'if I'm flogging a dead horse and you're not gonna put me in the squad why am I going to flog myself up and down the motorways or be away from home.' And as Herts said, if he's got a decent job, part-time football close to family and friends might be economically and socially more inviting than 4th division football.

Just playing devil's advocate but he is under contract. If every contracted player who wasn't currently getting a game decided to nick off to play for their local team because it suited their travel perogatives, then we might as well just pay every hired kicker week to week or take 'em on monthly loans, and then where would we be?
If Jamey Osborne isn't good enough to get in our first team match day squad then I clearly don't understand football, so the club and the player have confused me.

Quoted from denni266

To be honest , if i was told i was not needed when the likes of woolford , hooper etc are getting game time , i would either poke slade in the eye and drag him to specksavers,, or hang me boots up for good

;D

Quoted from chaos33

Just playing devil's advocate but he is under contract. If every contracted player who wasn't currently getting a game decided to nick off to play for their local team because it suited their travel perogatives, then we might as well just pay every hired kicker week to week or take 'em on monthly loans, and then where would we be?
If Jamey Osborne isn't good enough to get in our first team match day squad then I clearly don't understand football, so the club and the player have confused me.

I'm not saying I'd be pleased about it. Just if he thought there was no hope under Slade of getting game time, and he had other options which paid as much/more AND meant he had more time for friends and family, then I can see why he might take them.

Quoted from chaos33

Just playing devil's advocate but he is under contract. If every contracted player who wasn't currently getting a game decided to nick off to play for their local team because it suited their travel perogatives, then we might as well just pay every hired kicker week to week or take 'em on monthly loans, and then where would we be?

Quite. And he's got a 30 month contract to be professional footballer. He shouldn't have another job!

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

Perhaps Kingston, though I find it hard to believe he's moonlighting at the moment and I'm not aware that he has a profession or trade to take up on the side in any event.

If I had to come down on one of the scenarios, I'm inclined to think that he's got a personal or family situation that needs attention, and that the "If needed" statement refers to one-off games such as if we were to have an injury and red-card epidemic and need him for a game, then he'd come back for a few days.  

We've seen from other players (Matt, Clements, Browne) that players do often need time near family so in the context of a two and a half year deal, I hope he'll be back and ready to reward the club's support for him.

I wasn't suggesting he's moonlighting, just that non-League players can often be better off staying part-time if they had decent day job options.

It's a good point you make about one-off games. And you can add Nathan to that list.

Sometimes, real life includes all of those options. Dissatisfaction with the way the job's going, not getting on with your new boss (not the guy who recruited you), work commitments which impinge on family life, and the serious ill health of a family member. It might cause you to decide that you're better off out of it and return to a previous employer.

We're all just speculating really.

I think we can probably assume that the club are happy to do without him presently, or he'd be back here after his 'fitness loan', fighting for his place and honouring his commitment as per the contract he signed. Obviously, if he can negotiate something more personally convenient whilst in the midsts of that because the club don't see him as immediately valuable, then he will.

Quoted from chaos33

I think we can probably assume that the club are happy to do without him presently,

Which is bonkers considering Woolford started the last game. But there you go!

My thoughts exactly

Quoted from chaos33

My thoughts exactly

Maybe you can see why Osborne might be drunk off then (if he is, just speculating like).

Before he went to Solihull he was beginning to feature from the bench and making the squads.
Why is he not fighting for his place in league football?
Seems very strange to me, reading between the lines I find it difficult to blame the club for this one. It strikes me that he has never fully committed to us having not moved. He's got all the ability to play at a much higher level and I'd love to see him in our team, but I think either he wants away or the club want to shift his wages or something they don't like about him.

Of course because he was getting MOM every week and being watched by other league clubs in the Midlands, he may have been tapped up and he favours being nearer to home.
IMO Town have to be a bit wary here and take advantage of any offers for him made during the transfer window, hence the extra months Loan

Also hence the immediate recall. Any offer comes in then we can recall him and sell him on immediately.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Yes completely agree, but don't forget he was signed by a deluded tw@t who wanted to prove he could bring more "technical ability" into the club as he wasn't to keen on the honest, hardworking pro's he inherited...................he's currently making the same fcuk up's at Chester BTW ;) Oddly enough out of all the players Bignot brought in only Jones remains available for this Saturday's game if memory serves me right.

and yet the Club still sits in pretty much the same position in the table as they did when the "deluded tw@t who wanted to prove he could bring more "technical ability" into the club as he wasn't to keen on the honest, hardworking pro's he inherited" was in charge.

I'm guessing that makes Slade a "deluded tw@t" too but just one who doesn't like skillful players just players that can hoof the ball and run a round a lot.

Quoted from Mariner93er

Also hence the immediate recall. Any offer comes in then we can recall him and sell him on immediately.

Isn’t there a rule that a player can’t play for more than two clubs in a season?

Quoted from MarinerMal

and yet the Club still sits in pretty much the same position in the table as they did when the "deluded tw@t who wanted to prove he could bring more "technical ability" into the club as he wasn't to keen on the honest, hardworking pro's he inherited" was in charge.

I'm guessing that makes Slade a "deluded tw@t" too but just one who doesn't like skillful players just players that can hoof the ball and run a round a lot.

Who signed Dembele?

Have to say I’m disappointed, our bench options against Mansfield were very poor. At least having Jamie on the bench would be an improvement. Also can’t understand why cardwell isn’t being given a chance from the bench, in the brief glimpses I’ve seen of him he’s looked better than hooper and vernon.

Lets face it. He wont play for Town again.
Utm

Quoted from londonmariner2

Lets face it. He wont play for Town again.
Utm

In a nutshell,  gone this window

Looks gone doesn't he, I guess if we can recoup our fee then we should cash in as he doesn't sound very committed.

As for our bench given that we have 30 odd players on the books it's worryingly light on game changers, and I can't see how they are considered higher impact than Tombola (even with his faults).

Quoted from MarinerMal

and yet the Club still sits in pretty much the same position in the table as they did when the "deluded tw@t who wanted to prove he could bring more "technical ability" into the club as he wasn't to keen on the honest, hardworking pro's he inherited" was in charge.

I'm guessing that makes Slade a "deluded tw@t" too but just one who doesn't like skillful players just players that can hoof the ball and run a round a lot.

Not really as when Bignot took over we where actually in a better position in the league, had a balanced squad, good morale and a team of players who appeared to take pride in playing for GTFC and for each other. Bignot dismantled a lot of that within weeks, disengaged numerous senior players, the football at times was shocking and the selections even more barmy e.g. dropping Pearson and Collins for the home game versus Donny. Only one of his signings (Jones) is in contention less than a year after Bignot's first window. As much as people criticize Slade and sometimes it's warranted he's having to clear up a lot of the mess Bignot left behind as the wage bill is too big. He's got a tune out of last seasons scapegoat and we are getting better but in reality will only progress with more comings and goings.

As much as the Slade out brigade would like to they cannot turn this matter into his fault as only the player and the club know the true facts. Absolutely should he be in a GTFC shirt in an ideal world, definitely but would you want a player in the side and around the training ground daily who was unhappy and din't want to be here? Jamey has said he's got personal matters to deal with if the reason his loan extension had been agreed was just to get him ready for a move why would he say that?

Earlier in the season Slade gave Matt some space for something that went on at home and that worked as Matt's starting to look like he'll make a difference, Hurst did the same with Nathan when his mum passed away so we just have to trust that Slade knows better than us in terms of player management & welfare. We want players to want to be here otherwise you just end up with more Dominic Vose's around the place.

  

Quoted from Roast Em Bobby

Isn’t there a rule that a player can’t play for more than two clubs in a season?

Emergency loans don't count towards it

Loans in general don't count do they?

There has been a lot of unhappy personnel at B.P. in the last 18months or so--Macca Amond Arnold Osborne Bignot Mighty Mariner  to name just a few. Contrasting reasons given from the personnel and the club. We can go back further for other examples--Newell and Big Mouth. Why do all these things keep happening ?

Quoted from golfer

There has been a lot of unhappy personnel at B.P. in the last 18months or so--Macca Amond Arnold Osborne Bignot Mighty Mariner  to name just a few. Contrasting reasons given from the personnel and the club. We can go back further for other examples--Newell and Big Mouth. Why do all these things keep happening ?

Someone had to do it

Regarding the earlier comment about Clifton not getting a chance, well that's unlikely to happen at the moment when Summerfield is the first name on the team sheet and Rose is scoring so many goals. If anybody should be out at loan in the Conference it should be him.

As for Osbourne, who really knows what is going on? 'Personal issues' can cover the whole gamut of problems. I've read lots of players saying how lonely it is when recovering from an longer term injury as you're pretty much isolated from your teammates and just spending time in the gym on your own. Perhaps that had an input into whatever is the problem?

Hopefully whatever it is can be resolved very soon as I'd much rather see Osbourne coming off the bench as a replacement winger (though he's not a winger) than most of the other options we have at present.

Latest tweet from John Tondeur suggests Jamie may be on his way back sooner rather than later....
https://twitter.com/JohnTondeur/status/946683236297650177

Quoted from Badger57

Latest tweet from John Tondeur suggests Jamie may be on his way back sooner rather than later....
https://twitter.com/JohnTondeur/status/946683236297650177

Lets just hope Tondeur's source is better than Dean's ;)

Quoted from Father Christmas

This may be of no relevance but -

I saw slade lick Jamey’s left hand, he then stroked it and poured salt on it and squirted a lemon in his right eye.

I’ve never witness such an act before so don’t know if it’s just a mating ritual in the swashy or a normal act between an older guy with his apprentice. They looked friendly with each other though so I don’t think there’s been a fall out.

Maybe they got mixed up trying Tequila for the first time

Well get calling him back then--we need him now

The latest from RS.-
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/

Quoted from golfer

There has been a lot of unhappy personnel at B.P. in the last 18months or so--Macca Amond Arnold Osborne Bignot Mighty Mariner  to name just a few. Contrasting reasons given from the personnel and the club. We can go back further for other examples--Newell and Big Mouth. Why do all these things keep happening ?

You are always going to get unhappy footballers when there are only 11 starting places. The squad is too big. It has been ever since Hurst left. That doesn't explain everything but it goes a long way.

Personally I think there's been an overreaction to this. Wait out until he's out the door or back in the squad before we slag off our own player without knowing a single fact.

Quoted from pontoonlew

Personally I think there's been an overreaction to this. Wait out until he's out the door or back in the squad before we slag off our own player without knowing a single fact.

We know that he wasn't required to move closer than Birmingham. That's not his fault, but shocking the club has agreed a 2.5 year contract with a player that lives 2.5 hours away.

Heard he's drunk off no-one spells his name correctly  ;)

Reading Slades explanation it doesn't appear that there is an ulterior motive and it is an overreaction by us mistrusting supporters so I apologise to all concerned.  P.S.  I still don't believe he will play for us again.

Slade knows a good player when he sees one (cue Woolford/Dixon jibes) and Osbourne will be back playing for us soon
He'd rather have a 100% fully focused and fit player than someone who has personal issues distracting him

'Huge over-reaction shocker' on Fishy - very rare for that to happen

Comes a point where conspiracy theories have to be ditched because what incentive would Slade have to lie to the fans over something like this...he'd lose all credibility

Keep your powder dry... he'll be back in January and firing on all cylinders!

He lost all credibility when he f00ked off last time

If he has personal difficulties it's none of our business. All this speculation is pointless because no-one knows the real story, and nor should they.  Only he and his employer, the club, should know what they are. Let's just hope that they can be resolved so he can come back, because for me he, along with Dembele, is the most skillful player on the books.

Quoted from Reverendmariner

If he has personal difficulties it's none of our business. All this speculation is pointless because no-one knows the real story, and nor should they.  Only he and his employer, the club, should know what they are. Let's just hope that they can be resolved so he can come back, because for me he, along with Dembele, is the most skillful player on the books.

I agree but when you talk of such things on social media your inevitably court speculation.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Not really as when Bignot took over we where actually in a better position in the league, had a balanced squad, good morale and a team of players who appeared to take pride in playing for GTFC and for each other. Bignot dismantled a lot of that within weeks, disengaged numerous senior players, the football at times was shocking and the selections even more barmy e.g. dropping Pearson and Collins for the home game versus Donny. Only one of his signings (Jones) is in contention less than a year after Bignot's first window. As much as people criticize Slade and sometimes it's warranted he's having to clear up a lot of the mess Bignot left behind as the wage bill is too big. He's got a tune out of last seasons scapegoat and we are getting better but in reality will only progress with more comings and goings.

As much as the Slade out brigade would like to they cannot turn this matter into his fault as only the player and the club know the true facts. Absolutely should he be in a GTFC shirt in an ideal world, definitely but would you want a player in the side and around the training ground daily who was unhappy and din't want to be here? Jamey has said he's got personal matters to deal with if the reason his loan extension had been agreed was just to get him ready for a move why would he say that?

Earlier in the season Slade gave Matt some space for something that went on at home and that worked as Matt's starting to look like he'll make a difference, Hurst did the same with Nathan when his mum passed away so we just have to trust that Slade knows better than us in terms of player management & welfare. We want players to want to be here otherwise you just end up with more Dominic Vose's around the place.

  

So will our next manager have to clear up the mess of players like Hooper, Kelly, Woolford, Dixon, K. Osborne?

Quoted from GrimRob

You are always going to get unhappy footballers when there are only 11 starting places. The squad is too big. It has been ever since Hurst left. That doesn't explain everything but it goes a long way.

If that's the case then surely you must question Slade's credibility in signing so many players who either can't get in the starting eleven or even on the bench.

Quoted from arryarryarry

If that's the case then surely you must question Slade's credibility in signing so many players who either can't get in the starting eleven or even on the bench.

Don’t we also like to see a settled starting 11 too though? Can’t have it all.

Quoted from sam gy

Don’t we also like to see a settled starting 11 too though? Can’t have it all.

Depends what the team is achieving, 3 wins in the last 12 games and two of those against teams in the bottom 3, if you are happy with that then fine.

Personally I would like us to be doing better and with the option of bringing on players that might change the game.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

He got a 2 1/2 year deal, he should have moved to the area. There is no way we should've signed players on long contracts who weren't willing to move to within an hour of the area.

What street did Martin Butler live down?

Quoted from Mariner Ronnie

What street did Martin Butler live down?

No.11 Long Long Way Away Street

Quoted from Trickytrev

The latest from RS.-
http://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/

Well , that shoots a lot of the " conspiracy theorists " on here down in flames. There is so much" jumping to conclusions " on this site!

Quoted from rancido

Well , that shoots a lot of the " conspiracy theorists " on here down in flames. There is so much" jumping to conclusions " on this site!

Or could it just be that fans of Grimsby Town FC don't particularly like the idea that one of our most gifted players is choosing to play for the team at the bottom of the Conference?

Good old RS eh Rancido. You always knew he was a good 'un, and no way you would be caught jumping to conclusions! ;)

Quoted from arryarryarry

If that's the case then surely you must question Slade's credibility in signing so many players who either can't get in the starting eleven or even on the bench.

Well to be fair there was a glut of players here from MB plus a sprinking of what PH had signed. We basically need to keep the same manager for a couple of seasons at some point and everything might settle down  :)

Quoted from GrimRob

Well to be fair there was a glut of players here from MB plus a sprinking of what PH had signed. We basically need to keep the same manager for a couple of seasons at some point and everything might settle down  :)

I agree but most of the players RS has brought in were no better than the ones we had or are worse and therefore creating an even bigger squad which I think most fans agree needs adding to making the squad even bigger unless we can off load some of those that are under long contracts.

Quoted from rancido

Well , that shoots a lot of the " conspiracy theorists " on here down in flames. There is so much" jumping to conclusions " on this site!

Yeah well. We'll see if he's back after "one or two games" won't we.

Quoted from Reverendmariner

If he has personal difficulties it's none of our business. All this speculation is pointless because no-one knows the real story, and nor should they.  Only he and his employer, the club, should know what they are. Let's just hope that they can be resolved so he can come back, because for me he, along with Dembele, is the most skillful player on the books.

It's all of our business when it affects our club as far as I'm concerned. Osbourne is a contracted player, which means he signed a contract and should fulfil that contract. Okay, if he has issues that are causing a problem, then a good employer will try and assist. The problem is we don't know what his issue or issues are that mean he cannot play for a decent sized 4th rate club, and chooses to play for a shite 5th rate part time outfit at 25 years old. We don't know the real problem, but from the outside looking in, he's been injured a large part of the season, has played for the shite club to gain fitness according to his 2nd last statement, presumably has gained a certain level of fitness, now, I will give him some leeway, a small amount, before I will run out of patience. That said, I'm just a fan, on me own, others may make other decisions but he'll have some way back if he wants to be a pro.

He appears to have ability beyond league 2, in which case go an earn a fortune and retire at 33 with a castle of your own, but do it now as time is not your friend.

Sounds to me like RS has been instructed to go out and say something positive to placate things . No way is he coming back .

Be nice if Jamie could have just been at the park today just to let the fans see he is still interested in being here. I don't blame Slade one bit over this he is clearly giving Ozzy time to sort himself out but cannot wait forever.

At the most important half of the season and in a good position to press on he can't afford to wait for one player. If Osborne himself can't see he could and probably will have a massive part to play in that he would be better off somewhere else.

Slade wants a fully fit Jamie Osborne of that I am sure.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Be nice if Jamie could have just been at the park today just to let the fans see he is still interested in being here.

He's got a game!

Get this player back here ASAP RS
Jesus
What are we messing about at
Come on Town

The biggest problem is Town fans are frustrated that a technically better player has been put out on loan to get game time is something we have heard before. Now this may be the case but because we have heard this before how do we know how to trust this as genuine information when we have been lied to countless times before. Just like the board telling a manager his remit is to ensure safety only to sack him after he achieves safety and way before the season ends.

There is a lot of dishonesty in football, from players, managers, boardrooms, the proof will be in if he comes back or gone in the transfer window then we'll see how honest each party in this is.

Quoted from Abdul19

He's got a game!

He was supposed to be here though that is my point. If he was keen to prove to Slade he was part of THE SQUAD he would want to be here

Bring him back now, give him 60 minutes at Crewe, although our problems are bigger than 1 player can cure.

Quoted from Marinerz93

The biggest problem is Town fans are frustrated that a technically better player has been put out on loan to get game time is something we have heard before. Now this may be the case but because we have heard this before how do we know how to trust this as genuine information when we have been lied to countless times before. Just like the board telling a manager his remit is to ensure safety only to sack him after he achieves safety and way before the season ends.

There is a lot of dishonesty in football, from players, managers, boardrooms, the proof will be in if he comes back or gone in the transfer window then we'll see how honest each party in this is.

All of this is correct, and all fostered and allowed to fester because the club have taken a board-level position that professional communications and public relations assistance is not required because "PR is done on the pitch" and because they think they know best anyway.  Amateurish stunts and harbouring grudges against local journalists, out of nothing but a sense that "I'm right and he's wrong" and damn the consequences.

The result?  Mutual mistrust. Victories and promotions are not capitalised upon.  Defeats lead to all out warfare between fans and the club.

If it weren't for his loans (has anyone worked out what "benign" means in this context yet by the way?) then John Fenty has no other redeeming or useful qualities to bring to the boardroom table.  Not one.  It's time for him to get his Accountant sidekick Marley to explain to him what a Sunk Cost is, and what the Sunk Cost Fallacy is, and then for him to write the lot off and go back to the terraces.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

He was supposed to be here though that is my point. If he was keen to prove to Slade he was part of THE SQUAD he would want to be here

Tell him to get back . He’s under contract to gtfc , not who ever he wants to play for in the West Midlands ffs .

Quoted from Gaffer58

Bring him back now, give him 60 minutes at Crewe, although our problems are bigger than 1 player can cure.

I agree, and as RS said we can recall him back straight away and if RS doesn't see the problems we currently have i.e. crying out for someone with some creativity and he isn't brought back then to me it looks like he isn't going to come back. I hope I am wrong with that assumption.  

Quoted from chaos33

Good old RS eh Rancido. You always knew he was a good 'un, and no way you would be caught jumping to conclusions! ;)

Maybe so but I based my " conclusions " on his past record at other clubs and how he left us. In all honesty , based on his managerial approach and quality of signings since he returned, what " conclusion " would you come to as regards his performance thus far?

Do we really want a player to come back that doesn't want to play for our club?  That's what it looks like to me.

Quoted from bigbadmarinerbob

Do we really want a player to come back that doesn't want to play for our club?  That's what it looks like to me.

Well he would be joining 20 others that can’t be bothered playing for our club.

I don’t like going to work but would soon be sacked (and rightly so) if I couldn’t be arsed.

Bring all the buggers back your training 5 days a week 8am to 4 pm be prepared to play saturdays Sunday's off if you don't like it there's the door . That would thin a few of them down

With him getting a red card today thats going to do his fitness a lot of good. There goes Slade's 24 hour recall

Quoted from golfer

With him getting a red card today thats going to do his fitness a lot of good. There goes Slade's 24 hour recall

To me, Slade's interview today sounded like he was as drunk off as we are. For me, I would recall him tomorrow, get him training with the squad again and, if he doesn't like it, tear up his contract.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

To me, Slade's interview today sounded like he was as drunk off as we are. For me, I would recall him tomorrow, get him training with the squad again and, if he doesn't like it, tear up his contract.

Agree, the more I think about this the term "engineering a move" springs to mind.

Rumor was that when Collins came out with his "carrying players comment" at the start of the season it wasn't just aimed at Vose and Gunning.

He allegedly doesn’t want to return. Holding out for a move closer to home. Supposedly he turned down a loan move to Chester before going to Solihull.

Quoted from davmariner

He allegedly doesn’t want to return. Holding out for a move closer to home. Supposedly he turned down a loan move to Chester before going to Solihull.

Who did he sign a contract with? Talk about the tail wagging the dog.

I bet he still wants to take our money every week though. If he wants to stay at Solihull for the remainder of the season put him on Conference money. At the moment his transfer value isn't much.

You can't just rip up a player's contract or change the terms when it suits as one or two on this thread seem to think. That's why it's a contract. There are details here we don't know and I think it stinks too, but the situation has to be discussed in realistic terms. He can be held to the terms of his contract, or we can try to negotiate a transfer or termination, but it has to be negotiated.

Do you think anybody would want to return to this club if they could stay somewhere else. I wouldn't blame anybody for wanting to get away from this shower of shite.

Quoted from chaos33

You can't just rip up a player's contract or change the terms when it suits as one or two on this thread seem to think. That's why it's a contract. There are details here we don't know and I think it stinks too, but the situation has to be discussed in realistic terms. He can be held to the terms of his contract, or we can try to negotiate a transfer or termination, but it has to be negotiated.

The exact point I was trying to make. Make him come back here - under the terms of his contract - and if he breaches the contract, then tear it up. He made a decision to be a full-time footballer less than 12 months ago - his call.

Never mind about contracts it's fairly obvious he doesn't want to play for RS and it's starting to look as if the rest of the squad don't either.

Getting beyond a joke now, red carded today so he misses Saturday, and then Solihull don't have a game until 20th Jan, so hows he keeping his fitness levels up?.....If he isn't back for Newport on the 13th, I doubt we'll see him again.

Just tell him to get his bottom back here and if he doesn't do as he is told just get rid with no pay-off. At least that will free up some cash.

Whatever his alleged personal problems are they aren't preventing him from playing.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Just tell him to get his bottom back here and if he doesn't do as he is told just get rid with no pay-off. At least that will free up some cash.

Whatever his alleged personal problems are they aren't preventing him from playing.

FFS, you can't just 'get rid with no pay off', when the club has sanctioned his loan!
Not much point in telling him to get his bottom back here now when he's not available for selection.

Quoted from chaos33

FFS, you can't just 'get rid with no pay off', when the club has sanctioned his loan!
Not much point in telling him to get his bottom back here now when he's not available for selection.

Erm I thought RS said we can call him back in 24 hours. There is no flipping point in him staying where he is if he can't play for them either or is that too difficult for you to understand.

He should be back training here and then be ready for selection for the Newport game and if he still doesn't want to play then he must be in breach of his contract.

I didn't know you knew the ins and outs of him being there.
Bunch of assumptions in your posts if not.
Of course, not much point in him being there or here if he's suspended. I'm not aware that he's refused to play for us and could therefore be in breach of his contract. Please elucidate.. Either that, or give over with the crass oversimplification.

Quoted from chaos33

I didn't know you knew the ins and outs of him being there.
Bunch of assumptions in your posts if not.
Of course, not much point in him being there or here if he's suspended. I'm not aware that he's refused to play for us and could therefore be in breach of his contract. Please elucidate.. Either that, or give over with the crass oversimplification.

Erm my understanding is he asked to go to Solihull and play for them so therefore he would rather play for them than us or is that an assumption?

Clearly nothing is preventing him for playing and as he has signed a contract with GTFC he should play for us or ask to have his contract terminated.

I repeat - your posts are based on assumptions. If not, tell us you know the full story, even if you can't reveal the detail.

To me, it looks like he wants to be there so he can play, and we want him to be there as Russ doesn't think he wants to pick him, hence sanctioning his loan. If we wanted him back, he'd be here, because he's under contract. If he did indeed refuse, we would have terminated his contract for breach and that'd be that.
I don't get it either as I think he's better than several others who do regularly make the match day squad.

Reading it all and to be honest there is very little factual stuff to digest the club wanted to get him fitter as his current fitness level wasn't going to budge Rose, Summerfield & Berret from the squad. He has talent and would make a difference as we saw for the 3rd goal versus Swindon.

A short term loan would then make sense and he expressed an interest to go to SHM for "personal reasons" which you would imagine might be that he is homesick. Also we appear to have a good relationship with SHM, he s loved there and would play every game for sure. As we paid a fee for him we need to try by whatever menas possible to get him back in the side or at least ensure he offers some transfer value.

BUT............. (as Pete would have said)

Though the above seems really plausible it does not smell right is he engineering for a move closer to home for the rest of the season then ultimately to another EFL club or is he struggling with applying himself to the life of a jobbing 4th tier footballer? If there is an agent in there somewhere which I'm sure there is he might sniff a payday too.

Ultimately though he'll have to get over his "personal issues" as he is a GTFC player and the best way for him to move forward short term is to come back get his head down and have a go at taking the opportunity afforded to him.
  

      

He has ability but he must have a major flaw not to be signed up prior to us taking a gamble and it would appear we are seeing the flaw now it`s character.This is a player with the ability to rip most League 2 teams to shreds but he would sooner play for Solihull.GTFC cannot be dictated to in that fashion by a player we have seen it all before lets get rid.

Call this balance or just playing devil's advocate, but as much as most of rate Osbourne, he's an attacking midfielder that's scored 1 goal in about 20 League Two games.

I do like/rate him and I've no doubt he'd improve our team but expecting him to come back and make the difference between us being mid-table and a play-off contender is stretching it a bit I think.

Wise up he aint coming back, will be sold on this month for peanuts to a midland club

Quoted from Garth

Wise up he aint coming back, will be sold on this month for peanuts to a midland club

Can you play for a 3rd club in one season?  

The fact is we were told when he was injured that we wouldn’t see him until Christmas. He would have then been sent out on loan to get fit. The fact that he came back ( probably too soon ) from his lnjury earlier than expected was a bonus which has probably in some fans eyes been seen in the wrong light

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Can you play for a 3rd club in one season?  

Dont think non league clubs count.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Can you play for a 3rd club in one season?  

His Solihull emergency loan won't count

Quoted from Abdul19

His Solihull emergency loan won't count

That's convenient!  

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Who did he sign a contract with? Talk about the tail wagging the dog.

Maybe he came because of Bignot. Signed by a manager he respects/trusts and then that manager is replaced. I could easily see how that could unsettle someone.

Maybe it's best we just take the statements at face value for now, but it wouldn't at all surprise me if he never came back having seen the way football is these days.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Maybe he came because of Bignot. Signed by a manager he respects/trusts and then that manager is replaced. I could easily see how that could unsettle someone.

Maybe it's best we just take the statements at face value for now, but it wouldn't at all surprise me if he never came back having seen the way football is these days.

You sign for a club not a manager - given the length of managerial tenures, it would be reasonable to expect Bignot to have gone before the end of Osborne's 30 month contract.

There must be pretty good reasons why Jamie does not appear on Monday 15 January
If he does not return the fans should be given a solid explanation about why he is not at the club.
Until then, leave it alone as it's all bullshit and speculation.
However the gtfc board must be called into account if the issue is not resolved by then

Quoted from IlkleyMariner

There must be pretty good reasons why Jamie does not appear on Monday 15 January
If he does not return the fans should be given a solid explanation about why he is not at the club.
Until then, leave it alone as it's all bullshit and speculation.
However the gtfc board must be called into account if the issue is not resolved by then

Agree with this, it's all if's and but's, the club should deliver a deadline for solid information.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

You sign for a club not a manager - given the length of managerial tenures, it would be reasonable to expect Bignot to have gone before the end of Osborne's 30 month contract.

But I bet it was Bignot that persuaded him to come and no one would have expected he'd be gone in 5 months.

No club appoints a manager having done their due diligence and sacks him so soon. Not a professionally run club like Grimsby. Surely?

Based on a couple of tweets by his missus, I don't see him coming back.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Based on a couple of tweets by his missus, I don't see him coming back.

WHy? What's she saying?

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Quoted from 935

WHy? What's she saying?

Doesn't matter saw the tweet- what's ridiculous is whoever tweeted to her that he wouldn't be driving back cos of "drunk driving" - i sometimes wonder what goes on in people's heads on social media- you can't whinge that he won't come back then start beef with his mrs/ posting personal things about him. In all honesty having seen what's written on here , face book and twitter I wonder if any of the players have a genuine desire to play in front of what can only be described as a totally toxic element of the fans. We see it time and time again- toto etc and no one learns- there's a difference between saying someone had a bad game and calling them a girl private- it's just a pity no one learns

Seriously I think this is one thing that the majority of town fans should be stamping out- is the minority who go on social media and forums and insult the playing staff, manager etc. People may not like Russell slade for example but there is literally no excuse to write personal abuse on the internet. We all love the club , we all feel angry at time about its plight and the results but there is no mitigation at all for writing insults about anyone, it's also totally counter productive.

Quoted from 935

Seriously I think this is one thing that the majority of town fans should be stamping out- is the minority who go on social media and forums and insult the playing staff, manager etc. People may not like Russell slade for example but there is literally no excuse to write personal abuse on the internet. We all love the club , we all feel angry at time about its plight and the results but there is no mitigation at all for writing insults about anyone, it's also totally counter productive.

Bit rich coming from you .

Quoted from friskneymariner

Bit rich coming from you .

Classic Friskney! Touché amigo

Quoted from 935

Seriously I think this is one thing that the majority of town fans should be stamping out- is the minority who go on social media and forums and insult the playing staff, manager etc. People may not like Russell slade for example but there is literally no excuse to write personal abuse on the internet. We all love the club , we all feel angry at time about its plight and the results but there is no mitigation at all for writing insults about anyone, it's also totally counter productive.

Call the fun police

Quoted from 935

Classic Friskney! Touché amigo

But genuinely do check out that twitter thread where two fans are having a pop at Osborne's Mrs and tell me that's ok?

Whats his mrs cslled Nellie?

Paddy I realise you are not very bright,but please understand one thing, I am not your amigo,I never have been your amigo,and more importantly I will never be your amigo.

Quoted from Father Christmas

Call the fun police

Is it fun abusing people on social media? If you ask me it's extremely tragic.

Quoted from Vance Warner

Is it fun abusing people on social media? If you ask me it's extremely tragic.

I think you need a reality check, as some have said on here before, this type of forum is like an extension of having a talk down the pub after a game, we ( or likely most of us ) have said in the pub at sometime, "frigging hell he played excrement today" the only difference is it is more permanent and reaches more people.

With regard to comments on twitter, I don't do twitter and have no access to it but I have little sympathy for people in the public eye who use it to put their points across and then complain when people reply and either object or in some cases become abusive because that is the nature of many people.

I remember Paul Hurst's first game in charge on his own at Halifax, what an absolute shite performance and quite rightly many of the fans who went sang "your not fit to wear the shirt" after the 4th goal went in. It's been going on for years and rightly or wrongly is a part of the game. I remember standing in front of the directors box with many other Town fans in those dreadful days at the bottom of Division 4 in the 60's chanting "sack the board"

And for those having digs at Town fans for their opinions, you need to get out and about a bit more as this forum is no different to just about any other football forum. I suggest a look at Port Vale's last season and see the comments about a certain Mr. Hooper.

If I was in the public eye in an occupation like a footballer I would keep away from forums, they are not worth the hassle.    

[tweet]948609140108201994[/tweet]

Not that Twitter is a reliable source of info but Osborne’s missus liked this tweet about him not returning.

Quoted from davmariner

[tweet]948609140108201994[/tweet]

Not that Twitter is a reliable source of info but Osborne’s missus liked this tweet about him not returning.

I cant see anything but "your tweet will appear here....."

And i cant see anything on twitter.

On Saturday evening RH need to ask Slade exactly what is going on and precisely when or if he will be returning. If he fails to answer the question needs asking again until it is answered.

My biggest concern after all this time is half of us still don't know how to spell Jamey Osbo..........   8)

Yep its Osborne

Quoted from Meza

I cant see anything but "your tweet will appear here....."

And i cant see anything on twitter.

Linx Business
@grahamstark
Not with your partner's ability. I'll take it from your tweet that he isn't coming back then!

Quoted from davmariner

Linx Business
@grahamstark
Not with your partner's ability. I'll take it from your tweet that he isn't coming back then!

Thanks mate 👍

What do the @ and # mean on Twitter?

I've always thought he was Jamey Osbourne and it was Karleigh Osborne but it appears that both lack the 'u'.

I'm almost certain that the OS used to have him down as Osbourne because I'm sure I checked it in the past - this is my excuse for always getting his name wrong!

It's weird how people tweet players directly and give them stick. There is no way this can help anyone.

Can you receive  'tweets' without being on Twitter or Facebook?

If not why bother with them, especially if you are a footballer or any other sportsman for that matter.

Quoted from arryarryarry

I think you need a reality check, as some have said on here before, this type of forum is like an extension of having a talk down the pub after a game, we ( or likely most of us ) have said in the pub at sometime, "frigging hell he played excrement today" the only difference is it is more permanent and reaches more people.

With regard to comments on twitter, I don't do twitter and have no access to it but I have little sympathy for people in the public eye who use it to put their points across and then complain when people reply and either object or in some cases become abusive because that is the nature of many people.

I remember Paul Hurst's first game in charge on his own at Halifax, what an absolute shite performance and quite rightly many of the fans who went sang "your not fit to wear the shirt" after the 4th goal went in. It's been going on for years and rightly or wrongly is a part of the game. I remember standing in front of the directors box with many other Town fans in those dreadful days at the bottom of Division 4 in the 60's chanting "sack the board"

And for those having digs at Town fans for their opinions, you need to get out and about a bit more as this forum is no different to just about any other football forum. I suggest a look at Port Vale's last season and see the comments about a certain Mr. Hooper.

If I was in the public eye in an occupation like a footballer I would keep away from forums, they are not worth the hassle.    

So the fault lies with people having a twitter account not the 'abusive nature of many people?' I understand the argument about it's just like a conversation in a pub etc but would people in the past have had a go at the WAGS of players? Would they have dared slag off a player to his face down the pub? As for town players being in the public eye that's debatable; their girlfriends certainly aren't.

Anyone on here want to own up to sending those tweets? 🤔

Jamey Osborne will never play for us again, he's leaving permanent this transfer window.

Listening to Slade's post match interview it would seem to be the end for Osborne here, unless I've misread the subtext. The fact that he is probably the most attack-minded, forward running midfielder we have tells you what you need to know about Slade's ethos. He's now talking about 'making us hard to beat' again, so don't expect any goals in the near future. Meanwhile, 2500 will watch us lose to Newport next week with our former hero Amond helping himself no doubt. How has it come to this? Completely tragic and shameful.

Quoted from chaos33

Listening to Slade's post match interview it would seem to be the end for Osborne here, unless I've misread the subtext. The fact that he is probably the most attack-minded, forward running midfielder we have tells you what you need to know about Slade's ethos. He's now talking about 'making us hard to beat' again, so don't expect any goals in the near future. Meanwhile, 2500 will watch us lose to Newport next week with our former hero Amond helping himself no doubt. How has it come to this? Completely tragic and shameful.

Ellison the opposition's forward was applauded off today after playing like a real forward and scoring, I predict the same next week for Podge. It's all so 'effing predictable.

Quoted from chaos33

Listening to Slade's post match interview it would seem to be the end for Osborne here, unless I've misread the subtext. The fact that he is probably the most attack-minded, forward running midfielder we have tells you what you need to know about Slade's ethos. He's now talking about 'making us hard to beat' again, so don't expect any goals in the near future. Meanwhile, 2500 will watch us lose to Newport next week with our former hero Amond helping himself no doubt. How has it come to this? Completely tragic and shameful.

My thoughts on that interview too.....Slade expected him back in a game or so just a couple of interviews ago....now he bumbled through the question and said its being worked on....bye Jamey.

I'm not sure what's so complicated. Osborne is our player, he's under contract, recall him and put him in the team.

he probably doesn't want to come back while slade here and dont blame him

Quoted from gtfcmd

he probably doesn't want to come back while slade here and dont blame him

Thats the feeling I get.

Quoted from Chrisblor

I'm not sure what's so complicated. Osborne is our player, he's under contract, recall him and put him in the team.

That's probably what should have happened, but unfortunately if he doesn't want to play for us (or Slade) there's little point.

I really do not understand why as the holders of his contract we don't just demand he comes back

Quoted from gtfcmd

he probably doesn't want to come back while slade here and dont blame him

I feel the same.

If I told my employers, working for them is stressful and I should probably work part-time for a lesser company for a bit, I'd be shown the door.

I don't want anybody playing for this football club that does not have the heart and the passion to pull on a black and white shirt and do ermmmm.... his job.

Quoted from Wrawby_Mariner

I don't want anybody playing for this football club that does not have the heart and the passion to pull on a black and white shirt and do ermmmm.... his job.

In that case we will have to forfeit the rest of the matches or just field 4 or 5 players

Slade can be blamed for the dire football we play but I'm not sure this is about that. Osborne is 25 and has lots of ability but has spent his career playing part-time, non-league football in the Midlands. A manager he knew and liked persuaded him to come to Town but then got sacked. Now he's left with a long commute to a town and manager he has no affiliation to. I wonder if he's just not a particularly strong or ambitious person and wants to work nearer home.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Slade can be blamed for the dire football we play but I'm not sure this is about that. Osborne is 25 and has lots of ability but has spent his career playing part-time, non-league football in the Midlands. A manger he knew and liked persuaded him to come to Town but then got sacked. Now he's left with a long commute to a town and manager he has no affiliation to. I wonder if he's just not a particularly strong or ambitious person and wants to work nearer home.

I was thinking along those lines. Fish out of water if you will.

Quoted from ginnywings

I was thinking along those lines. Fish out of water if you will.

Exactly. So we could make him come back and mope about all Summer or get rid now for a few quid........I'm sure it'll be reinvested in an exciting, attacking player so everyone is a winner!

Perhaps he should come back try his best and put himself in the shop window for a midlands club, failing that we should either  sack him for breach of contract, or force him back and stick him in the stiffs.

Why would we sack him or leave him in the reserves if we can sell him? I agree with you re what he should do but maybe he's not got the same moral fibre we do?

Quoted from gytone

force him back and stick him in the stiffs.

Straight in the first team you mean?

Quoted from Ipswin

Straight in the first team you mean?

That's really quite amusing Swin.

I agree really, but the whole situation absolutely boils my urine, why the intercourse are molly coddling this twit, just sell him for felicitations sake, then we can eliminate one problem, just the other thousand problems to go  ;)

I don't think he would have signed if Slade was here, I certainly wouldn't. Why was he appointed manager-only fck knows-who is fck ?

Whatever his personal/family issues, there is no point any more GTFC wages being spent on this physically and morally conflicted young man. We all make mistakes. How we face up to them is a test of character.
Even at the eleventh hour it would be nice to think that he realises that he owes the club and fans something. The truth perhaps?

Slade needs to do  two things..   first tell him to get his behind back here before he is sacked for  breach of contract  and second,, clear your desk and get out of town today

No point in having a player who doesn't want to be here. If that's the case it's not Slade's fault.

My v view is if he was coming back he'd have been training with the team over the last few days in anticipation of being involved versus Newport.

One theory could be that because he was suspended anyway we might as well let him stay there for another week and let Solihull pick up their part of his wage and save us a few quid while he can’t play.

Alternatively, he’s not coming back and we’ve been lied to for the past few months or so... surely not?

Quoted from headingly_mariner

No point in having a player who doesn't want to be here. If that's the case it's not Slade's fault.

Unless Slade is the reason he doesn't want to be here?

Quoted from ginnywings

Unless Slade is the reason he doesn't want to be here?

Exactly.

A decent man manager would be able to sort it. We’ve not got one.

If he'd rather play part-time football for a club near the bottom of the Conference because he doesn't like the manager here, he's a flipping idiot. Either that, or he just doesn't want to have a professional football career.

A pity, because he's obviously got some ability, but he's apparently not interested in trying to show it to us.

Quoted from Maringer

If he'd rather play part-time football for a club near the bottom of the Conference because he doesn't like the manager here, he's a flipping idiot. Either that, or he just doesn't want to have a professional football career.

A pity, because he's obviously got some ability, but he's apparently not interested in trying to show it to us.

I fairly recently left a better paying job because of an anus of a boss. It wasn't the sole reason but on top of everything else it tipped me over the edge. Don't think it makes me an idiot. Just someone who recognises what his priorities in life are.

If Osborne is happy playing part-time football near his home, and has more time for his family, less stress commuting etc then good luck to him.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I fairly recently left a better paying job because of an anus of a boss. It wasn't the sole reason but on top of everything else it tipped me over the edge. Don't think it makes me an idiot. Just someone who recognises what his priorities in life are.

If Osborne is happy playing part-time football near his home, and has more time for his family, less stress commuting etc then good luck to him.

Reliable Info from Solihull:
Osborne has been told by Grimsby that they will release him from his contract, Solihull have put or will be putting a bid of 20k for him, which will be accepted. Osborne wants to be nearer his family. Solihull will match his wages, they are paying all of them at the moment. He is very happy where he is. Since all the midlands players have moved away from Grimsby Osborne was the only one left. He was stopping in a bedsit, driving home once a week to see his family. You can see why he is unhappy as Kingston Mariner points out, he is picking up the same wages at Solihull and is nearer his family

You've made your he'd so lay in it. Put 110% into the club you're contracted for then once your contract is over go back 'home'... I'm 300 miles away. I stupidly impreganate someone now I'm spending the rest of my life down here because I've made my bed. I love my boy and will never walk away from him. I'm spending a life time away from where I wanted to be, Jamie has 2 years maximum. I'm sure he could handle it.

Quoted from lukeo

You've made your he'd so lay in it. Put 110% into the club you're contracted for then once your contract is over go back 'home'... I'm 300 miles away. I stupidly impreganate someone now I'm spending the rest of my life down here because I've made my bed. I love my boy and will never walk away from him. I'm spending a life time away from where I wanted to be, Jamie has 2 years maximum. I'm sure he could handle it.

Luke, it's a different scenario to yours though isn't it. Imagine your son and missus were up in GY. With all the rest of your family and friends. Whilst you're working away down in the SW. With a boss who's making a mess of things. You then have a period off sick and go home until you get better. Get offered another job in GY.

Then I bet your judgement would be different.

Why wait another two years?!

"stupidly impregnate someone"
Lol.

Quoted from grimreaper

Reliable Info from Solihull:
Osborne has been told by Grimsby that they will release him from his contract, Solihull have put or will be putting a bid of 20k for him, which will be accepted. Osborne wants to be nearer his family. Solihull will match his wages, they are paying all of them at the moment. He is very happy where he is. Since all the midlands players have moved away from Grimsby Osborne was the only one left. He was stopping in a bedsit, driving home once a week to see his family. You can see why he is unhappy as Kingston Mariner points out, he is picking up the same wages at Solihull and is nearer his family

Fine, lets get it done and then we can all move on.

Just make sure we get a sell on as part of the agreement as I wouldn't be surprised to see them cash in and Osborne move to a club within an hours commute from Birmingham, there are plenty of options.  

Slade said in his post match that discussions are ongoing to resolve the situation. My guess is the only discussion left is the size of the fee. We move on he is not coming back

Quoted from KingstonMariner

I fairly recently left a better paying job because of an anus of a boss. It wasn't the sole reason but on top of everything else it tipped me over the edge. Don't think it makes me an idiot. Just someone who recognises what his priorities in life are.

If Osborne is happy playing part-time football near his home, and has more time for his family, less stress commuting etc then good luck to him.

Yes, but if you want to be a professional footballer, you need to make some sacrifices because your career is so short. He's got perhaps ten years max left as a footballer whereas I'd imaine you have the luxury of working longer than this if you want to.

For a footballer, if this means working for a manager you don't like, sobeit if you want to have a good career. With the turnover of managers these days, it's only going to be a temporary thing.

I'd imagine he's hoping that he'll be able to keep Solihull up and then keep his fingers crossed that a League club nearer to home will look at him. I tend to guess that he'll not be playing League football again after this.

If he does not want to play for us, what are the options.

1 - Recall him, make him train with the youth team 5 days a week, but this will cost us.
2 - Give him the option to resign, so he can join Solihull, this would save us money.
3 - Do nothing (Leave him out on loan), then at least some of his wages are covered.

If we take option 1 and he does not attend training we can sack him.

As I see it we do not want a player who does not want to play for Town anywhere near our first team squad.

Quoted from Maringer

Yes, but if you want to be a professional footballer, you need to make some sacrifices because your career is so short. He's got perhaps ten years max left as a footballer whereas I'd imaine you have the luxury of working longer than this if you want to.

For a footballer, if this means working for a manager you don't like, sobeit if you want to have a good career. With the turnover of managers these days, it's only going to be a temporary thing.

I'd imagine he's hoping that he'll be able to keep Solihull up and then keep his fingers crossed that a League club nearer to home will look at him. I tend to guess that he'll not be playing League football again after this.

Maybe he doesn't ant to be a pro footballer. Perhaps he's given it a go but if it's making unhappy it's not worth doing.

Let’s just pause and take stock......

Maybe if RS was to leave it would change his perception and he would come back.

At the end of the Day, family come first and if his heart is not in it, Good luck Jamey, I’m sure you would have been a success here.

UTM

Quoted from forza ivano

Maybe he doesn't ant to be a pro footballer..

Maybe he DOES want to be a pro footballer thats why he's not coming back to Town

Quoted from Maringer

If he'd rather play part-time football for a club near the bottom of the Conference because he doesn't like the manager here, he's a flipping idiot. Either that, or he just doesn't want to have a professional football career.

A pity, because he's obviously got some ability, but he's apparently not interested in trying to show it to us.

We had a steelworks manager we couldn't stand, after a while he moved to another department.
The new manager was great, after a while he moved to another department.
The next manager was a girl private but after a while he moved to another department.
The next two managers were fantastic....
That's how it works.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

If he does not want to play for us, what are the options.

1 - Recall him, make him train with the youth team 5 days a week, but this will cost us.
2 - Give him the option to resign, so he can join Solihull, this would save us money.
3 - Do nothing (Leave him out on loan), then at least some of his wages are covered.

If we take option 1 and he does not attend training we can sack him.

As I see it we do not want a player who does not want to play for Town anywhere near our first team squad.

Thing is though Grantham, if we sack him then we throw away any fee we paid for him.  
Players have a little bit more power if fees were paid for them I guess than if they were in a normal job and of course they know this.

Sounds like we are just playing the game to make sure we recoup some money back.  
Not sure what we paid for him but probably worth it to recoup something - could make the difference between paying or not paying a Player of the Years petrol money :)

Quoted from Biccys

"stupidly impregnate someone"
Lol.

Sorry that should say the wrong person. I'm happy to have my boy and he's my world... It's the baggage I have with him :')..
After reading something somewhere about the family and his situation with all the other players leaving etc, I guess it makes sense providing gtfc are happy with the conditions and money we receive

Heard from Solihull that Osborne is signing for them sometime today.

;D this board will probably implode if true.

Quoted from 1542

Let’s just pause and take stock......

Maybe if RS was to leave it would change his perception and he would come back.

At the end of the Day, family come first and if his heart is not in it, Good luck Jamey, I’m sure you would have been a success here.

UTM

There is a very good reason for it that will come out in the wash but it's nothing to do with RS and is out of the clubs hands to some extent

Lets just remember that it was JO who requested to go out on loan....RS initially refused this as they wanted him to recover with the team here and was making appearances off the bench to aid that....JO requested again with the additional personal reasons added to it...the club obliged.....the club also obliged to a further loan but insisted on an emergency call back....now we are at a stage where it seems he isnt going to be coming back.....
i think the club have done little wrong on this one and it appears to be very much a player led move...not a club decision.

Of course some will lay the blame entirely with Dot the tea lady , Mighty Mariner, the new SLO, Marley , JF , RS, the caterers but if he does go then we shouldnt look much further than JO himself IMO.

Quoted from moosey_club

Lets just remember that it was JO who requested to go out on loan....RS initially refused this as they wanted him to recover with the team here and was making appearances off the bench to aid that....JO requested again with the additional personal reasons added to it...the club obliged.....the club also obliged to a further loan but insisted on an emergency call back....now we are at a stage where it seems he isnt going to be coming back.....
i think the club have done little wrong on this one and it appears to be very much a player led move...not a club decision.

Of course some will lay the blame entirely with Dot the tea lady , Mighty Mariner, the new SLO, Marley , JF , RS, the caterers but if he does go then we shouldnt look much further than JO himself IMO.

Agreed. If he really wanted to succeed here, he would knuckle down and fight for a spot. We have had talented players in the past with dodgy attitudes. Sestanovich springs to mind.

Quoted from mariner91

;D this board will probably implode if true.

i've got a load of snake emoji laden tweets at the ready just in case

Quoted from lukeo

Sorry that should say the wrong person. I'm happy to have my boy and he's my world... It's the baggage I have with him :')..
After reading something somewhere about the family and his situation with all the other players leaving etc, I guess it makes sense providing gtfc are happy with the conditions and money we receive

Did you walk into the wrong bedroom and end up with her flatmate?  ;D

Quoted from ginnywings

Agreed. If he really wanted to succeed here, he would knuckle down and fight for a spot. We have had talented players in the past with dodgy attitudes. Sestanovich springs to mind.

Dodgy mates too. If Osborne is like Sestanovich in that respect we're well shot of him. AS was completely classless - one of his partners in crime was a Croydon Athletic player FFS  ;)

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Dodgy mates too. If Osborne is like Sestanovich in that respect we're well shot of him. AS was completely classless - one of his partners in crime was a Croydon Athletic player FFS  ;)

Indeed. AS is probably too extreme an example.

The player himself tweeted to GTFC fans before Christmas he would be back after the Christmas break it might not mean a jot to some but it does to this Town fan. Show us you are a man of your word Jamie.

He was the player I most enjoyed watching last season.

A few weeks after Slade took over he mentioned something about him having non-league tendencies or something along those lines. This suggests to me he wasn't really fancied by Slade and would be a periphery figure in the sqaud, used as a back up player. That coupled with the fact when he first came I remember him playing more in the middle of the park but Slade moved him out wide, would probably be enough for him to consider is the commute worth it.

If you don't feel you are really wanted or rated by your manager it is going to make you consider things.

If JO was in the first team he would surely be ineffective due to the ball constantly being either with the opposition or 40ft above his head? Not a Slade type player really but arguably one of the 3 best on our books at present in an attacking sense.

Why would anyone want to play for our club with toxic supporters. Rumours and half truths and you want to shoot first and ask questions later.
God, and most of you want a fan run club. Imagine a board meeting with some of you, end up killing each other.
By the way this is not true of all fans but reading some of these comments.

Just perhaps, the problem may lay with some supporters of this club. Remember Toto-excellent against West Ham.

Quoted from 140067

Why would anyone want to play for our club with toxic supporters. Rumours and half truths and you want to shoot first and ask questions later.
God, and most of you want a fan run club. Imagine a board meeting with some of you, end up killing each other.
By the way this is not true of all fans but reading some of these comments.

Just perhaps, the problem may lay with some supporters of this club. Remember Toto-excellent against West Ham.

Yes toxic supporters who remained steadfast through 6 years of non league football raised 110k to help finance a promotion charge and who upon returning backed the team and manager with record season ticket sales.illegitimates

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Yes toxic supporters who remained steadfast through 6 years of non league football raised 110k to help finance a promotion charge and who upon returning backed the team and manager with record season ticket sales.illegitimates

To be fair, even on our promotion season, some people were still calling for Hurst to go. I mean.. you could say, as a fanbase, we don't help ourselves sometimes.

Quoted from 140067

Why would anyone want to play for our club with toxic supporters. Rumours and half truths and you want to shoot first and ask questions later.
God, and most of you want a fan run club. Imagine a board meeting with some of you, end up killing each other.
By the way this is not true of all fans but reading some of these comments.

Just perhaps, the problem may lay with some supporters of this club. Remember Toto-excellent against West Ham.

You may be correct about the toxicity but you have to ask what's created it.

For me, it's the failure to use the momentum created by Wembley - I believe that 6 years in the Conference gave the club a non-league mentality which it retains today. It seems bizarre to say it but, after so many years without success, we didn't seem to understand how to use it in a positive way.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Yes toxic supporters who remained steadfast through 6 years of non league football raised 110k to help finance a promotion charge and who upon returning backed the team and manager with record season ticket sales.illegitimates

I did the same, but I support. I don't like the character assassination, and read what I said, not true about all fans, just the toxic few.
Mick Lyons-all hell and no notion. Any coincidence.

Quoted from chicaneuk

To be fair, even on our promotion season, some people were still calling for Hurst to go. I mean.. you could say, as a fanbase, we don't help ourselves sometimes.

It`s BS and a copout to blame the fans for everything.I have just read an article on CA where it says the recent food donation at the FGR match was the biggest seen in the local area.I happen to think although small we have one of the very best fanbases in the Country and most of the moaning would stop if A we had something to get behind on the pitch and B we had some proper leadership off the pitch with a 5 year plan.

Quoted from 140067

I did the same, but I support. I don't like the character assassination, and read what I said, not true about all fans, just the toxic few.
Mick Lyons-all hell and no notion. Any coincidence.

Why would anyone want to play for our Club with toxic supporters.

You character assassinated the fans excluding yourself.

Quoted from 140067

I did the same, but I support. I don't like the character assassination, and read what I said, not true about all fans, just the toxic few.
Mick Lyons-all hell and no notion. Any coincidence.

We know some fans are like that. It's easy to separate them and know who to listen to but singling out MickeyLyons is a strange one. He more than not hits the nail on the head.
All hell and no notion...you need to look in John Fenty's direction for that, a (non) chairman trolling his own clubs board is high on my list of classless/clueless things not to do in a (non) chairman's role.

Quoted from RoboCod

We know some fans are like that. It's easy to separate them and know who to listen to but singling out MickeyLyons is a strange one. He more than not hits the nail on the head.
All hell and no notion...you need to look in John Fenty's direction for that, a (non) chairman trolling his own clubs board is high on my list of classless/clueless things not to do in a (non) chairman's role.

Thanks Robo but in fairness I got his point and took no offence it`s a forum and I accept other people`s points of view even though I disagree wholeheartedly ;D

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Why would anyone want to play for our Club with toxic supporters.

You character assassinated the fans excluding yourself.

No, I have based this on fact,
Your a fan like me and we are to blame,
We sit reading this take it all in and moan, moan, moan. We do sodomist all else, well perhaps a few do odd things like scratch cars and issue threats on social media.
If we really-really care why not have a 5 yr plan, a supporters 5 yr plan. Let us start a fund to buy the club. Let us aim to have a new ground. Let us try and negotiate.
Yr 1 set up fund, those unhappy with current set up put your ticket money into the fund.
Yr 2 Try and get council to buy BP.
Yr3 Hard fund raising club president nominees, vote for club president.
Yr4 Negotiate with current board.
Yr5 Fan ownership.

Interesting how b*gger all comes out as sodomist!! mmmm

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Thanks Robo but in fairness I got his point and took no offence it`s a forum and I accept other people`s points of view even though I disagree wholeheartedly ;D

Just found the 'hell and no notion' a bit of a cheap shot bearing in mind the nonsense we've had to tolerate from the non-chairman recently. In fairness to theDon the follow up post is a better attempt at addressing things with its 5 points. Though it wasn't 'a few' who scratched the car just like it wasn't a few who hung out the ridiculous Hurst Out banner on the motorway. And Fenty's own posts on here have been as ill-thought out as almost anything on social media from so called fans. But these are all distractions.
Let's concentrate on those 5 points.

Quoted from 140067

No, I have based this on fact,
Your a fan like me and we are to blame,
We sit reading this take it all in and moan, moan, moan. We do sodomist all else, well perhaps a few do odd things like scratch cars and issue threats on social media.
If we really-really care why not have a 5 yr plan, a supporters 5 yr plan. Let us start a fund to buy the club. Let us aim to have a new ground. Let us try and negotiate.
Yr 1 set up fund, those unhappy with current set up put your ticket money into the fund.
Yr 2 Try and get council to buy BP.
Yr3 Hard fund raising club president nominees, vote for club president.
Yr4 Negotiate with current board.
Yr5 Fan ownership.

My view is this if you take the 3k ST holders for example.They each commit before a ball is kicked to the team and manager for the upcoming season most will then go buy the new shirt etc and on matchday a lot will buy a drink,programme TOXIC sausage roll ;D.In other words they consistently put money into the Club`s coffers now if as at the moment they don`t like what they are getting they are naturally going to moan they can`t really do a lot else can they?

The people you are talking about are in the main the ones like me who jumped ship to start with by not renewing my ST when Slade was reappointed and decided to go game by game.Once my judgement was backed up by results and more importantly performances I then decided I would stop going until something changed like most people I gave it a reasonable chance and turned my back after the Accy defeat.

Less than 100 pay on the gate customers at the last home game verifies GTFC have very little floating support at this moment in time and reading various posts on here the 3k hardcore are being tested it`s a worrying trend.

Most backed the recent Unity day over 4000 turned up with nil away support but then things again happened off the pitch that undid this good work.The support is there it just isn`t being harnessed correctly and calling it toxic is not really helping.

Toxic fans, never happens anywhere else, well if you ventured on to other fans forums you would see that this isn't the only club where people vent their frustrations and anger. At Mansfield when they were relegated a fan got into the boardroom and punched the chairman, at Scunthorpe a player was driven out mid season by fans targeting him for abuse every game. Still those who call our fans after what we have been through and what we have achieved are more likely part of the innner circle who is the root cause of why fans are unhappy. At other clubs the Chairman and owners have had death threats, ones taken very seriously by Police.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Toxic fans, never happens anywhere else, well if you ventured on to other fans forums you would see that this isn't the only club where people vent their frustrations and anger. At Mansfield when they were relegated a fan got into the boardroom and punched the chairman, at Scunthorpe a player was driven out mid season by fans targeting him for abuse every game. Still those who call our fans after what we have been through and what we have achieved are more likely part of the innner circle who is the root cause of why fans are unhappy. At other clubs the Chairman and owners have had death threats, ones taken very seriously by Police.

You are right, unfortunately there are just a few on here who have their heads stuck up their backsides and only believe the comments many are posting only happens at GTFC.

Just been reading about Lee Johnson at Bristol City. Last season he oversaw a club record 8 straight defeats and lost 13 matches from 16. He signed Matty Taylor from Bristol Rovers and received death threats, among other unsavoury goings on and much protesting. Johnson out banners at most games.

They kept him on and are now at the top end of the Championship, have beaten Man Utd and are in the Semi's of the Carabao Cup. He's being hailed as the best young British manager in the country. That shows that toxic fan behaviour happens everywhere and sometimes the fans are wrong about a manager.

Quoted from ginnywings

Just been reading about Lee Johnson at Bristol City. Last season he oversaw a club record 8 straight defeats and lost 13 matches from 16. He signed Matty Taylor from Bristol Rovers and received death threats, among other unsavoury goings on and much protesting. Johnson out banners at most games.

They kept him on and are now at the top end of the Championship, have beaten Man Utd and are in the Semi's of the Carabao Cup. He's being hailed as the best young British manager in the country. That shows that toxic fan behaviour happens everywhere and sometimes the fans are wrong about a manager.

What`s the betting the fans see it more like thanks to there vitriol the Manager changed his stance?

How many more defeats under Slade are left before he signs Rhead from Lincoln, gets death threats and we beat Man Utd in a cup?  :)

Quoted from ginnywings

Just been reading about Lee Johnson at Bristol City. Last season he oversaw a club record 8 straight defeats and lost 13 matches from 16. He signed Matty Taylor from Bristol Rovers and received death threats, among other unsavoury goings on and much protesting. Johnson out banners at most games.

They kept him on and are now at the top end of the Championship, have beaten Man Utd and are in the Semi's of the Carabao Cup. He's being hailed as the best young British manager in the country. That shows that toxic fan behaviour happens everywhere and sometimes the fans are wrong about a manager.

Barring this occasion of course lol

Quoted from OneLove

Barring this occasion of course lol

I did say sometimes. I'm no fan of his myself, but he's the manager for now, right or wrong.

Every manager is 6-8 games away from the sack. How many do we need to lose now?

Club confirmed now Jamey has gone back to Solihull permanently.

Let's not hang him out to dry though. He's a decent player, just unambitious. Good luck Jamey. Shame it didn't work out.

Quoted from Biccys

Let's not hang him out to dry though. He's a decent player, just unambitious. Good luck Jamey. Shame it didn't work out.

Nah balderdash to him. He lied by saying he'd be back for the Accrington match, when clearly he was angling for a move away the whole time.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Nah balderdash to him. He lied by saying he'd be back for the Accrington match, when clearly he was angling for a move away the whole time.

Yea I agree. He never had any intentions of returning he wanted the fans on board. Let’s move on now and recruit some players who want to succeed.

Real shame he's gone, he was the best footballer at the club and was a real creative need.

Are they keeping Asante too?

If family was so important, bring them with you or don't sign in the first place

Quoted from Biccys

Let's not hang him out to dry though. He's a decent player, just unambitious. Good luck Jamey. Shame it didn't work out.

Sorry but can’t agree. I’m afraid he has taken the p1ss big time.
His shallow statements mean absolutely fcuk all.

I don’t particularly wish him ill. But no good wishes either.

"The Club has recovered the monies outlaid",

Lets hope we get a sell on clause as he's to good for that league when fit & firing.

Yep. More and more I think about, I get more drunk off. Pay for his rehabilitation for 6 months, fans lied to by both parties and now its ended on a sour note. Was a massive fan of Jamey but I can’t say I wish him well anymore.

Quoted from davmariner

He allegedly doesn’t want to return. Holding out for a move closer to home. Supposedly he turned down a loan move to Chester before going to Solihull.

Said this on NYD! For one reason or another things can sometimes not work out as expected. We got our money back so I wish him no ill.

Was inevitable really. Supplied the highlight of last season for me when he ran the full length of the pitch and slotted the ball home. Reminded me of a time when we regularly had players who could do that sort of thing, and got the juices flowing for what he may produce for us this season, especially seeing him score a couple of audacious long range efforts recently, but hey ho, fook him if he hasn't got the ambition to try and then lie about his departure and return.

And breathe!

We need some more with his ability but with ambition thrown in. Over to you GTFC.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

If family was so important, bring them with you or don't sign in the first place

Big Osbourne fan and gutted he will not be back as he was one of the few players that can drift by an opponent with ease. That said I tend to agree if he was offered a two and a half year contract he should have committed to moving his family here for the duration.

That said when he first joined us there was probably a mini-bus full of players travelling up from the Midlands. In addition maybe the bad injury has affected him as much mentally as physically and he feels playing part time and working is a better career move.

I am sure we have all played alongside guys who were once associated with proffessional clubs but did not make it and most of these were for attitude reasons rather then in terms of ability. JO is probably just not cut out to be a professional player big shame but we have to move on.

I am no big RS fan but I believe from what has been said that he has handled this situation pretty well and always best to part on good terms if possible.

He stole a living whilst he was here and cost us a position where we could have had someone playing who could have made a difference to the team, intercourse him, he has missed a chance to play higher, no ambition and no loyalty and he lied about coming back.

“I am sure we have all played alongside guys who were once associated with proffessional clubs “

You might have LM56, but then you were far better than me!  ;)

Quoted from lee65

“I am sure we have all played alongside guys who were once associated with proffessional clubs “

You might have LM56, but then you were far better than me!  ;)

First statement of yours Lee that I find myself agreeing with & remember you did get the chance to play alongside myself even if I was more of. Nathan Clarke then Kev Moore by that time!!!!!!!

Another Martin Butler FFS (mad)

Shaun Pearson showed how a professional player should conduct himself, total respect.

Osbourne just used us and lied to the fans good riddance to bad shitt.

Glad it's over frankly, we got our money back so we all move on . I  reckon in a few years time he will look back and regret this decision as this will bound to put off many potential suitors. Shame but that's his choice.

Quoted from Marinerz93

He stole a living whilst he was here and cost us a position where we could have had someone playing who could have made a difference to the team, intercourse him, he has missed a chance to play higher, no ambition and no loyalty and he lied about coming back.

Said it on another post Collins's interview where he said we where carrying players especially away was apparently aimed at Osborne as well as the likes of Vose & Gunning.

Quoted from HertsGTFC

Said it on another post Collins's interview where he said we where carrying players especially away was apparently aimed at Osborne as well as the likes of Vose & Gunning.

The thing is that Collins is a committed pro footballer who knows where his priorities lie. He might be a bit past his peak but he always gives more than 100% and you can see how fired up he is when we get a win.

Osborne was a part-time footballer who had a whole range of other priorities and wasn't prepared to make the transition when push came to shove. It wasn't his biggest priority in life. It was poor judgement on Bignot's part not to realise what he was asking Osborne to take on when he persuaded him to sign for us

The whole Solihull triangle as turned toxic can't see Asante coming back either.

Two of the three player that excited me last season have gone (officially) today, the other left a year ago.  They were the reason I looked forward to seeing my beloved Town play.

Sorry to say that Dembelle apart I have not been excited very often if at all this season by what I have seen.

Come on Russell excite me !!!!!!!!!!

What a total joke.

Suggested on other Jamie Osborne posts(19th & 28th Dec.) that maybe the personal issues were bigger than the
career issues, (knowing the red crosses would descend).Couldn’t suggest more because was told in strict confidence, that Jamie’s wife was always reluctant to move, which was probably sortable when others were travelling from the Midlands. But recently one of his young children has become quite seriously ill and his wife was even more reluctant to move away from family.
The recent loan and it’s on-off nature indicates all parties trying do the best for him and all parties concerned.
Now Jamie is with family and hopefully resuming a potentially successful career, Solihull get their man and we get our
money back(?) - though I wish it had turned out differently.
In this difficult time for OUR club, when everybodies concerns manifest in different ways, we all need to take a breath
and remember somethings remain more important..................usually!

Suggested on other Jamie Osborne posts(19th & 28th Dec.) that maybe the personal issues were bigger than the
career issues, (knowing the red crosses would descend).Couldn’t suggest more because was told in strict confidence, that Jamie’s wife was always reluctant to move, which was probably sortable when others were travelling from the Midlands. But recently one of his young children has become quite seriously ill and his wife was even more reluctant to move away from family.
The recent loan and it’s on-off nature indicates all parties trying do the best for him and all parties concerned.
Now Jamie is with family and hopefully resuming a potentially successful career, Solihull get their man and we get our
money back(?) - though I wish it had turned out differently.
In this difficult time for OUR club, when everybodies concerns manifest in different ways, we all need to take a breath
and remember somethings remain more important..................usually!

Quoted from HistonMariner

Suggested on other Jamie Osborne posts(19th & 28th Dec.) that maybe the personal issues were bigger than the
career issues, (knowing the red crosses would descend).Couldn’t suggest more because was told in strict confidence, that Jamie’s wife was always reluctant to move, which was probably sortable when others were travelling from the Midlands. But recently one of his young children has become quite seriously ill and his wife was even more reluctant to move away from family.
The recent loan and it’s on-off nature indicates all parties trying do the best for him and all parties concerned.
Now Jamie is with family and hopefully resuming a potentially successful career, Solihull get their man and we get our
money back(?) - though I wish it had turned out differently.
In this difficult time for OUR club, when everybodies concerns manifest in different ways, we all need to take a breath
and remember somethings remain more important..................usually!

It's a good point, well presented. I guess I just wish there was a bit more transparency with this kind of thing sometimes.

I dont care what player it is,  weather the best or worst, if he had come clean  and said that he had a seriously ill child and his wife didnt want to move  we would have understud that , family and kids come first  and he would have gone with my blessing , but all this under the cloak stuf has got peoples backs up including mine

Not all players are cut out to be full time professional footballers,

It looks he is happy living at home playing part time.

Maybe his body can not take all the work required ie shin splints ,

Just a thought.

Perhaps this whole thing highlights another of Bignot’s failings. An experienced manager would (should!) know that there is more to a successful signing than just raw talent. You’re signing an individual, a human being with different circumstances than the next.

Make sure their head is right, make sure that if they’re not willing to move that they are fine with commuting, make sure it’s right for the players family and make sure they WANT it and are hungry.

Big disappointment to see Jamey go....but there must be several reasons as to why he’s never been more than a part time player in the midlands and why a bigger club hasn’t signed him from us. His raw talent suggests he is capable of far more, but that’s obviously not enough.

I've no idea what's gone on and chances are, never will. All I know is that it's a big shame.

Skilled as he is, Jamey would have been a fitness worry and never had family support for moving house. Another instance of reduced power of clubs and managers. Hopefully he will make a fine dad.

What a f up it was to remove Bignot for Slade & Co. Osborne was fine under him

Quoted from hheh2

What a f up it was to remove Bignot for Slade & Co. Osborne was fine under him

We've never really had a satisfactory explanation for that one.

In nature, the first thing a lion does when it becomes the new king of the pride, is to kill all it's predecessors offspring. Human nature isn't so different.  ;)

At least we don't need to worrry about how to spell his flipping name anymore.

Quoted from headingly_mariner

At least we don't need to worrry about how to spell his flipping name anymore.

Bourne/Borne/Born of frustration.

Quoted from ginnywings

In nature, the first thing a lion does when it becomes the new king of the pride, is to kill all it's predecessors offspring. Human nature isn't so different.  ;)

Unless there's lots of pi55ed off hunters with guns

Quoted from 140067

No, I have based this on fact,
Your a fan like me and we are to blame,
We sit reading this take it all in and moan, moan, moan. We do sodomist all else, well perhaps a few do odd things like scratch cars and issue threats on social media.
If we really-really care why not have a 5 yr plan, a supporters 5 yr plan. Let us start a fund to buy the club. Let us aim to have a new ground. Let us try and negotiate.
Yr 1 set up fund, those unhappy with current set up put your ticket money into the fund.
Yr 2 Try and get council to buy BP.
Yr3 Hard fund raising club president nominees, vote for club president.
Yr4 Negotiate with current board.
Yr5 Fan ownership.

I disagree with some of your emphasis on toxicity, e.g., but you're right bout moaning but not being prepared to act.

And by the way, we only scratch cars if they cost £80,000 or more - anything cheaper simply wouldn't be a crime would it.

Quoted from chicaneuk

To be fair, even on our promotion season, some people were still calling for Hurst to go. I mean.. you could say, as a fanbase, we don't help ourselves sometimes.

It's great that you knew we were going to get promoted. Because until that Braintree player got sent off most people would have bet against it.

Quoted from HistonMariner

Suggested on other Jamie Osborne posts(19th & 28th Dec.) that maybe the personal issues were bigger than the
career issues, (knowing the red crosses would descend).Couldn’t suggest more because was told in strict confidence, that Jamie’s wife was always reluctant to move, which was probably sortable when others were travelling from the Midlands. But recently one of his young children has become quite seriously ill and his wife was even more reluctant to move away from family.
The recent loan and it’s on-off nature indicates all parties trying do the best for him and all parties concerned.
Now Jamie is with family and hopefully resuming a potentially successful career, Solihull get their man and we get our
money back(?) - though I wish it had turned out differently.
In this difficult time for OUR club, when everybodies concerns manifest in different ways, we all need to take a breath
and remember somethings remain more important..................usually!

A lot of people don't seem to understand that some things in life are more important than your job.

It's not as if he was paid millions and could afford to ship his whole family up to GY to reduce some of the pressure.

Good luck to him. He'll probably be still enjoying playing football long after most full time professionals have lost their love of the game.

Quoted from Biccys

Let's not hang him out to dry though. He's a decent player, just unambitious. Good luck Jamey. Shame it didn't work out.

Ambitious to spend time with his family maybe.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

Ambitious to spend time with his family maybe.

So why sign for us in the first place ?

Agreed Civvy,

He was offered and accepted a generous contract from the club on the back of his undoubted ability.

He came here gained a reputation as an above average player the club ALSO helped him get over a nasty injury.

At some point must have had a spat with the manager over his attitude and not getting in the side instead of fighting for a place.

Slade even then fell over backward to help him stay here and sort his personal stuff out, no players as the right to force his way back in the squad through blackmail.

Expect him to sign for a closer league club sometime soon we were a good advert for him to use I just hope it's not in our league because he will get a nasty shock if he comes back here.

Good luck Jamie just never worked out but at least you tried it i guess. We move on a live in hope that the replacements are good enough to break into the playing squad .

Just a thought, and it's something I've mentioned before. Primarily, footballers are employees of their club and subject to the same kind of rules, regulations and procedures there every bit as we would be in our workplace.

Not being partial to any of the reasons as to why he left, or took what was in effect leave of absence, I think the posts that have been written on here being so hyper critical of the guy won't have helped the situation if he ever read the Fishy. To me, a guy who's come up through the non league ranks to get his Football League chance much later on in life than is usual it must have seemed like winning the pools, because everybody looks at what can really happen on such a path when you see what Jamie Vardy has achieved. To actively turn his back on it must have been heartbreaking. That the club agreed to the move, rather than hang on and try to make something on him during the transfer window, seems to back the ealier excellent post about his personal circumstances.

I had to give up a job I loved doing because of mental health issues and I can only empathise with what must have been real torment for Osborne. Think perhaps it's time to let sleeping dogs lie, wish him the best, and move on?

Quoted from Civvy at last

So why sign for us in the first place ?

The cynic in me says signing on fee and better wages.

Quoted from jock dock tower

Just a thought, and it's something I've mentioned before. Primarily, footballers are employees of their club and subject to the same kind of rules, regulations and procedures there every bit as we would be in our workplace.

Not being partial to any of the reasons as to why he left, or took what was in effect leave of absence, I think the posts that have been written on here being so hyper critical of the guy won't have helped the situation if he ever read the Fishy. To me, a guy who's come up through the non league ranks to get his Football League chance much later on in life than is usual it must have seemed like winning the pools, because everybody looks at what can really happen on such a path when you see what Jamie Vardy has achieved. To actively turn his back on it must have been heartbreaking. That the club agreed to the move, rather than hang on and try to make something on him during the transfer window, seems to back the ealier excellent post about his personal circumstances.

I had to give up a job I loved doing because of mental health issues and I can only empathise with what must have been real torment for Osborne. Think perhaps it's time to let sleeping dogs lie, wish him the best, and move on?

End of the day he has gone no point us crying over spilt milk .

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Agreed Civvy,

He was offered and accepted a generous contract from the club on the back of his undoubted ability.

He came here gained a reputation as an above average player the club ALSO helped him get over a nasty injury.

At some point must have had a spat with the manager over his attitude and not getting in the side instead of fighting for a place.

Slade even then fell over backward to help him stay here and sort his personal stuff out, no players as the right to force his way back in the squad through blackmail.

Expect him to sign for a closer league club sometime soon we were a good advert for him to use I just hope it's not in our league because he will get a nasty shock if he comes back here.

I agree with a lot of this but how do we know he was given a generous contract? At the time he signed, he was a great prospect but unproven at league level. He accepted a 2.5 year deal on better wages as a Pro footballer. The contract may have been good but offered with the carrot of, "do well and we'll improve it".

If it's true that he didn't believe Slade would play him regularly, he may have had thoughts of sitting in a bedsit in Cleethorpes, playing reserve team football and being bored and away from his family for the rest of the week. To him, to be the best player in a part time conference team, whilst topping up his wages working back as an electrician, may have seemed to be a better option.

If all of that is the case, then fair enough, we have lost a good player but sometimes other factors dictate these things and I send him my best wishes.

If however, he does sign for another league club that is geographically similar to GTFC, then ignore any of my comments above.  

Quoted from KingstonMariner

It's great that you knew we were going to get promoted. Because until that Braintree player got sent off most people would have bet against it.

Not sure where you took from my post that I knew, with certainty, that we were going to get promoted. I did have belief that we would though, and even if we hadn't, I didn't personally want to see the back of Hurst at the time - regardless of what happened with promotion, as I did ultimately believe in him and knew we'd get there - if not that season, but the following season.

Quoted from chicaneuk

Not sure where you took from my post that I knew, with certainty, that we were going to get promoted. I did have belief that we would though, and even if we hadn't, I didn't personally want to see the back of Hurst at the time - regardless of what happened with promotion, as I did ultimately believe in him and knew we'd get there - if not that season, but the following season.

And how did you know he would get another season?

Look, it's a big jump from part-time to full-time. Much bigger club, more fans. I'd want to give it a go. I suspect he couldn't wait for the new season, then to get an injury like that...by all accounts he did his best to get fit. His intention would have been to succeed. I'm sorry to see him go and wish him all the best, UTM

Quoted from KingstonMariner

It's great that you knew we were going to get promoted. Because until that Braintree player got sent off most people would have bet against it.

Oooh a bit of rewriting history there KM!! :) By the time their player got sent off we were level. They were dying on their a*ses. Hurst brought on some pace and it was a very tired tackle that got their lad sent off. In my opinion the penalty was the game changer. Once that went in there was only ever going to be one winner. They'd built their game plan on defending in depth and it ultimately tired them out and failed.

Osborne is obviously a gifted player- when he wants to be- but he never looked like he wanted to be on the pitch.His fitness levels were questionable and like a lot of players well away from home ,didn't really want to be here. Being a big fish in a small pond at Solihull is probably where he will stay .And to think we lost Disley .....a true servant to the club.

Well I hope we have a sell on clause if he does go to another league club.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

And how did you know he would get another season?

What is with this pedantic nit picking?

Nothing is certain in football. I didn't know know for certain he would get another season if for certain if we hadn't gone up, but I can't imagine if he got us as far as the playoffs for example, the board would have been in a hurry to dump him and bring in someone else.

The guy has left. Let's move on and move this thread.

Quoted from ginnywings

Bourne/Borne/Born of frustration.

Fantastic song

Not my tweet but will leave this here, make of it what you will...

Is there anything the club hasn’t lied about?

[tweet] https://twitter.com/foxy_liam/status/950794137334439937 [/tweet]

Can’t see it MOTU but if it’s the one thinking of, anyone can change their Twitter name and profile pic. Don’t take it as gospel.

To be fair Slade could have ordered him to return but allowed him to go back home good job Pearson never see his bottom when Hurst kept him out the side. Instead, the lad took on board the advice buckled down improved his game and forced himself back in the side. Nuff said.

Quoted from barralad

Oooh a bit of rewriting history there KM!! :) By the time their player got sent off we were level. They were dying on their a*ses. Hurst brought on some pace and it was a very tired tackle that got their lad sent off. In my opinion the penalty was the game changer. Once that went in there was only ever going to be one winner. They'd built their game plan on defending in depth and it ultimately tired them out and failed.

Not a thorough re-writing. Slight exaggeration I'd say.

But that penalty decision.....plenty of times we wouldn't have got that..... :)

Quoted from Civvy at last

So why sign for us in the first place ?

A manager who he believed in and who built him into his plans.

These things don't work in black and white terms. He might have been hesitating over it, got talked into giving it a go. That manager gets sacked after a few months, new manager with a different approach, more old pros get brought in, Osborne gets a serious injury (and it's well documented how depressed sportspeople can get with a serious injury), gets to spend time back home, doubts about where he fits in.....