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This is getting ridiculous. We lurch from one disaster to another. The goodwill and the positivity from the promotion season has gone.

The staff have changed. Management and players have all gone. Alright, managers and players do that. They always have and they always will but it's changed quickly and the team spirit and unity between us and them has gone.

We've learnt nothing, absolutely nothing from our lowest point, from our years in non league. It was the perfect time to build and to gather momentum- that might even have aided with the building of a new ground.

Instead, what we have is in-fighting and an awful, awful
Atmosphere. Fans have been called bullies, we've not been backed by the club when we've been treated appallingly and now the voice we have has been silenced.

I don't post much on here and I don't talk much football on social media. I prefer sarcastic tweets that are only funny to me. But I've had enough. The club is being strangled. The fans marginalised and it's the play-thing of the major shareholder.

I've long thought it pointless to complain. I was even of the belief that without him we'd be in trouble. But we're in more trouble with him at the helm.

It's time, getyourfactsright to stop falling out with fans, the media, message boards, other board members, investors, managers, players and god knows how many other people and take a good long look in the mirror. These catastrophies can not possibly all be other peoples fault and the arguementative aggressive tone does no-one any favours.

No amount of badly worded, press releases, message board rants or odd interviews perched on top of a snooker table can fix this.

The club needs to appreciate its fans and to involve us. Not treat us as an inconvenience.

Football without fans is nothing and you're in danger of driving the fans away from GTFC.

Maybe showing our support for Kristine at notts woyld be appropriate.

Why are sonic. squarkus and getyourfacts right allowed on here. they are just spies for the latter, about time we showed them some contempt that they show us..

Quoted from denni266

Why are sonic. squarkus and getyourfacts right allowed on here. they are just spies for the latter, about time we showed them some contempt that they show us..

Allows a bit of balance. Doesn't help to silence people's views even if we don't agree with them. To be fair does it do them any favours to post on here?

WTF IS GOING ON NOW???

The team seems to be getting it together on the pitch but behind the scenes fecking toxic elements are at work determined to bring this club down to its knees.

For all Fenty's stressing for fans to stick with the board and the club now they do this.

I REALLY DESPAIR AT THE WAY OUR CLUB IS BEING RUN I REALLY DO. FFS!!!(anger4)(anger4)(anger4)

I said yesterday something fishy was going on

Here we go again🙄

It's disturbing that "the club" thinks the best way to improve the relationship with the supporters is to remove any possibility of dissenting voices being heard. All this 'being on the same page' stuff just means the new SLO has to parrot whatever comes from the club rather than helping the club relate to the supporters.

For one last time, please actually listen to supporters when they have concerns and maybe concede some points to them and support them when there are problems. Knowing your own mind is one thing but believing anyone with a different opinion is always wrong will only result in continuous friction between the club and supporters.

UTM

A snake can shed its skin but a leopard can't change its spots. When a snake sheds its skin it's still a snake-I wish we could shed a snake instead of its skin-fck the leopard.---Confucius say.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Red crosses incoming - Squarkus & Sonik are online!

Yeah it's ok for them to comment and report back to base on the fishy but not the SLO apparently.

FCING REEKS OF BIG BROTHER LIKE IT OR NOT GRIM THIS FORUM IS BEING MONITORED AND CENSORED.

Do your worst and stick your red crosses up your arris.

Quoted from denni266

Why are sonic. squarkus and getyourfacts right allowed on here. they are just spies for the latter, about time we showed them some contempt that they show us..

Because we are fans just like you.

Quoted from sonik

Because we are fans just like you.

No your wrong. Not many of us on here are fans of Fenty!

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Yeah it's ok for them to comment and report back to base on the fishy but not the SLO apparently.

FCING REEKS OF BIG BROTHER LIKE IT OR NOT GRIM THIS FORUM IS BEING MONITORED AND CENSORED.

Do your worst and stick your red crosses up your arris.

"The New Fishy. A private board which only invited members can post on but anyone can read"Doesn't need anyone to report back to anyone when it's open for anyone to read.

Quoted from heppy88

No your wrong. Not many of us on here are fans of Fenty!

How can you tell someone they are not a fan?? Unbelievable!!

Maybe it should be a board for Sick O'Fents and not sycophants?

At the moment it is a board for sick of Fents

Quoted from Fishy_fishtails

How can you tell someone they are not a fan?? Unbelievable!!

Yeah, it's like calling someone a bully with nothing to back it up!

Quoted from RoboCod

Yeah, it's like calling someone a bully with nothing to back it up!

It's nothing like that at all!!!

Club Statement - https://www.grimsby-townfc.co.uk/news/2017/december/club-statement---supporter-liaison-officer/

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Red crosses incoming - Squarkus & Sonik are online!

not a chance Old Codger, what I would really like is a full honest answer from both parties and to have full understanding of what has happened before I start blaming anyone and quite clearly there is more to meet the eye here, so sorry no red crosses from me.

Quoted from Squarkus

not a chance Old Codger, what I would really like is a full honest answer from both parties and to have full understanding of what has happened before I start blaming anyone and quite clearly there is more to meet the eye here, so sorry no red crosses from me.

There is a massive lack of trust between the boardroom and the terraces and Kristine is one of the people who were bridging that gap. We also had the Unity day on Saturday which appeared to go well and now, once more, it's been blown out of the water again. Why?

Quoted from denni266

Why are sonic. squarkus and getyourfacts right allowed on here. they are just spies for the latter, about time we showed them some contempt that they show us..

Considering anyone with Internet access can read this site, they can hardly be called spies! We all support the club and have got a huge amount in common. Yes we argue amongst ourselves sometimes, but the real opposition is the other 23 teams in the division! They are all on our side!

Quoted from GrimRob

Considering anyone with Internet access can read this site, they can hardly be called spies! We all support the club and have got a huge amount in common. Yes we argue amongst ourselves sometimes, but the real opposition is the other 23 teams in the division! They are all on our side!

And you got red crossed Rob! Not from me though!

Quoted from denni266

Why are sonic. squarkus and getyourfacts right allowed on here. they are just spies for the latter, about time we showed them some contempt that they show us..

That's out of order. I don't know who Squarkus is, he comes across as a bell end. Sonic is 100 percent town, his brother happens to be John. Does that mean he can not have his say as an independent Town fan?

Quoted from sonik

And you got red crossed Rob! Not from me though!

You're not that generous I haven't got a green tick :)

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That's out of order. I don't know who Squarkus is, he comes across as a bell end. Sonic is 100 percent town, his brother happens to be John. Does that mean he can not have his say as an independent Town fan?[/quote]

If he was independent then why not? But he's not likely to be independent, is he?

Quoted from MuddyWaters

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That's out of order. I don't know who Squarkus is, he comes across as a bell end. Sonic is 100 percent town, his brother happens to be John. Does that mean he can not have his say as an independent Town fan?[/quote]

If he was independent then why not? But he's not likely to be independent, is he?

You are so wrong on this count and I don't need to say why.

Quoted from sonik

You are so wrong on this count and I don't need to say why.

Yes you do. I've said that I have no problem with anyone having an independent view - you included - but I can't remember you ever posting anything contrary to the party line.

I'll say in all honesty that I've never had a problem with Sonic, any posts we've both contributed to in the past has seen us in general agreement. It's an awkward one as it's a brother thing so I can only have faith that he at least sees some of this as genuine hurt from genuine supporters, some of whom he's posted and travelled to games with.

It's a sad state for all, he has my respect for not wading in but I do know the other members of the F-Squad are not helping in the slightest.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Yes you do. I've said that I have no problem with anyone having an independent view - you included - but I can't remember you ever posting anything contrary to the party line.

I don't need to fuel the fire more than what's already put on here by people that are sometimes guessing what's gone on. I've stated on here before that we don't always agree and have healthy debate on all things connected with GTFC. What I do know is that John works tirelessly for this football club of ours and all decisions are genuinely made for the good of the club. At mainly his expense!

I can't write war and piece on here like some do but if you ever get the chance to socialise with me over a pint you may see things a little differently.

All Town aren't we!

Quoted from sonik

I don't need to fuel the fire more than what's already put on here by people that are sometimes guessing what's gone on. I've stated on here before that we don't always agree and have healthy debate on all things connected with GTFC. What I do know is that John works tirelessly for this football club of ours and all decisions are genuinely made for the good of the club. At mainly his expense!

I can't write war and piece on here like some do but if you ever get the chance to socialise with me over a pint you may see things a little differently.

All Town aren't we!

See you at Notts County then. First pint on you in Hooters UTM.

Quoted from sonik

I don't need to fuel the fire more than what's already put on here by people that are sometimes guessing what's gone on. I've stated on here before that we don't always agree and have healthy debate on all things connected with GTFC. What I do know is that John works tirelessly for this football club of ours and all decisions are genuinely made for the good of the club. At mainly his expense!

I can't write war and piece on here like some do but if you ever get the chance to socialise with me over a pint you may see things a little differently.

All Town aren't we!

And all that hard works goes up in smoke because he can't take any form of criticism or listen to different opinions. Why does he hit the self destruct button every time the clubs seems to building something. It's like he revels in being a martyr.

Quoted from sonik

I don't need to fuel the fire more than what's already put on here by people that are sometimes guessing what's gone on. I've stated on here before that we don't always agree and have healthy debate on all things connected with GTFC. What I do know is that John works tirelessly for this football club of ours and all decisions are genuinely made for the good of the club. At mainly his expense!

I can't write war and piece on here like some do but if you ever get the chance to socialise with me over a pint you may see things a little differently.

All Town aren't we!

The bit in bold interests me. I don't for a second doubt that your brother believes every decision he makes is for the good of the club. However, what is galling is that he doesn't ever seem to realise or accept when he's made a mistake. Nor can he understand the opinions of others and he certainly doesn't value them.

Whatever walk of life you're in, good leadership comes from people who are willing to accept responsibility and blame when they need to and who are able to listen to the advice/opinions of others but still have the confidence to come to a decision on their own if necessary. A good leader knows that sometimes they're not an expert in a particular field and should hire/listen to someone with more expertise (*cough*why the intercourse do we STILL not have someone employed for PR *cough*). Fenty's intentions are probably good but the delivery and often the decision making is well off and it's the main reason there is such a chasm between club and fanbase. Until he realises this and starts to address it, nothing will change.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

There is a massive lack of trust between the boardroom and the terraces and Kristine is one of the people who were bridging that gap. We also had the Unity day on Saturday which appeared to go well and now, once more, it's been blown out of the water again. Why?

I would hope that Christine her self would give the answers to that, you understand Codger that something has happened and we are not in the know at this stage, I am sure it will surface in the coming days, but pointing the finger at this early stage is wrong.

WTF is going on again, has the club not learnt from the fallout after the fans forum. I last met 'our' SLO at Cheltenham and she stayed overnight in a B&B in order to watch the match - she has done more for the club than most by a country mile!

The Matt Dean saga was ridiculous but this is something altogether unacceptable.

I was a contentious objector - not now.

Yet again John Fenty you have ostracised yourself, and therefore the club, from the most important thing at Grimsby Town - the Fans!

Have you no morals or decency?

SW Mariners

Quoted from Marinerz93

And all that hard works goes up in smoke because he can't take any form of criticism or listen to different opinions. Why does he hit the self destruct button every time the clubs seems to building something. It's like he revels in being a martyr.

Not at all. He'll defend the club to the hilt as you probably realise. Lets see the whole picture before firing the gun so to speak. The statements coming out of the club have commended Kristine for her efforts. Why the need for her to resign over this I don't know. Surely it would be better for Aide and Kristine to work together on this?

UTM!

Quoted from sonik

Not at all. He'll defend the club to the hilt as you probably realise. Lets see the whole picture before firing the gun so to speak. The statements coming out of the club have commended Kristine for her efforts. Why the need for her to resign over this I don't know. Surely it would be better for Aide and Kristine to work together on this?

UTM!

'whole picture' - now completely lost with the again ludicrous way it has been announced with no communication to 'our' SLO. The gun has been fired - by the club!

Quoted from sonik

. What I do know is that John works tirelessly for this football club of ours and all decisions are genuinely made for the good of the club. At mainly his expense!

well this one might not cost him financially but its costing him any shred of trust or credibility that any had left in him and damaging fan club relations just a few days after a Unity Day !! ....if HE didnt appreciate Kristine's Bragate comments then, as she was an appointed member of staff...(and no amount of Tippex can cover over the FACT she was the clubs appointed SLO) ...did he not pull her to one side and speak with her about it ?

Instead of rewriting history, ( she was apparently only the Trust SLO) ... inventing stories ( it was made clear at the fans forum ?!?!? ) in order to put his own SLO in place who will act for the club ...and now the latest release states that the SLO role focus will be BP only and not our away games !!

Quoted from sonik

I don't need to fuel the fire more than what's already put on here by people that are sometimes guessing what's gone on. I've stated on here before that we don't always agree and have healthy debate on all things connected with GTFC. What I do know is that John works tirelessly for this football club of ours and all decisions are genuinely made for the good of the club. At mainly his expense!

I can't write war and piece on here like some do but if you ever get the chance to socialise with me over a pint you may see things a little differently.

All Town aren't we!

I'm sick and tired of seeing this statement being trotted out time and time again..

I don't want him to work tirelessly, I want him to work skilfully..

If he hasn't got the skills, get someone else in who is skilful enough to do it,,

Kristine has been a huge asset and a breath of fresh air at this stale club.. and now he's lost her..

I have to question the skill sets being used to attract new investment and secure a new stadium..

There's been a catalogue of errors over a multitude of relatively minor issues over years and years..

How can we trust anyone at the club to have the ability to execute the major issues facing us?

I'm dumbfounded and really fearful for our club's future..

Kristine, if you read this, thank you from the bottom of my heart for all your efforts..

You were greatly appreciated..

Quoted from sonik

Not at all. He'll defend the club to the hilt as you probably realise. Lets see the whole picture before firing the gun so to speak. The statements coming out of the club have commended Kristine for her efforts. Why the need for her to resign over this I don't know. Surely it would be better for Aide and Kristine to work together on this?

UTM!

Therein lies the problem. If you can't see why she is so p1ssed off that she felt her only course of action was to resign, then there is no hope.

Quoted from sonik

Not at all. He'll defend the club to the hilt as you probably realise. Lets see the whole picture before firing the gun so to speak. The statements coming out of the club have commended Kristine for her efforts. Why the need for her to resign over this I don't know. Surely it would be better for Aide and Kristine to work together on this?

UTM!

Come on Sonic, you are the most sensible of the band of brothers. Please don’t let that slip. Lip service from the club that has just totally treated Kristine appallingly means fcuk all.
Even the little bit at the end saying that she can return as the post is still open ‘for now’. Oh quick Kristine or we won’t let you back in. I would love to hear her side fully as we all would.
Someone has royally screwed up what coukd have been a success for once.

I know who my money’s on

Quoted from sonik

Not at all. He'll defend the club to the hilt as you probably realise. Lets see the whole picture before firing the gun so to speak. The statements coming out of the club have commended Kristine for her efforts. Why the need for her to resign over this I don't know. Surely it would be better for Aide and Kristine to work together on this?

UTM!

Christine has resigned because the great leader comrade wants her to pass through him any statements she wants to make to the press, so if he doesn't like it he can stop it, like calling for the club to make a statement over bra gate. John has taken offence over this because it has portrayed the club in a bad light over the lack of action from the club.

The clubs rebuff of Matt Dean's tweet was right but the manner was over the top and that sort of defending needs questioning.

It's obvious to anyone who follows Town that professional PR is badly needed to stop John causing a faux pas over and over again.

Ginnywings, you hit the nail on the head there. Surely, Sonik, if you can't see why Kristine has quit, then the really is no hope. I've never said a word against anyone associated with GTFC EVER, this though is an absolute joke, and I'm currently embarrassed to be a Town fan

Quoted from ginnywings

Therein lies the problem. If you can't see why she is so p1ssed off that she felt her only course of action was to resign, then there is no hope.

So you must no what has happened, I would like to see both sides of the discussion ginney or argument for that matter, so if you want to enlighten us all feel free, she may of resigned for pearsonel reasons we are all speculating at present.

Quoted from Squarkus

So you must no what has happened, I would like to see both sides of the discussion ginney or argument for that matter, so if you want to enlighten us all feel free, she may of resigned for pearsonel reasons we are all speculating at present.

read her statement you buffoon......

Quoted from sonik

I don't need to fuel the fire more than what's already put on here by people that are sometimes guessing what's gone on. I've stated on here before that we don't always agree and have healthy debate on all things connected with GTFC. What I do know is that John works tirelessly for this football club of ours and all decisions are genuinely made for the good of the club. At mainly his expense!

I can't write war and piece on here like some do but if you ever get the chance to socialise with me over a pint you may see things a little differently.

All Town aren't we!

I really don't know why you keep repeating this mantra about your brother, or rather I do.

"Working tirelessly" is part of the problem, but you just cannot see it.

His opinion of himself far out weighs his actual ability, and "working tirelessly" is code for being in complete control of the club from top to bottom, and doing it on a shoestring.

GTFC is not a fish business where the aim is to reduce the cost of everything to make more profits, or in this case to reduce losses. His self reliance is seen by you and other family members to be a great virtue, whereas in reality it is a symptom of the club being totally in the wrong hands. He would make a good caretaker, or odd job man, whose willingness to clean the loos or change a floodlight would be seen as commendable, but although it gives him great satisfaction it is dragging the club down. GTFC needs a wind of change, to bring professionalism throughout to bring us in to the 21st century and your brother doesn't have a clue how to bring that about.

I've tried to put a balanced view on here tonight but get shot down for it. I read this forum every day but really post because of this. Maybe others do too?

Anyway Hooters here I come. UTM!

Quoted from sonik

I've tried to put a balanced view on here tonight but get shot down for it. I read this forum every day but really post because of this. Maybe others do too?

Anyway Hooters here I come. UTM!

We know.

Quoted from MuddyWaters

We know.

I see you always have to have the last word too OC!

Quoted from sonik

I see you always have to have the last word too OC!

Yes.

Having read the posts about the latest fiasco to beseech GTFC. I having been trying to work out what Mr Fenty and I presume the rest of the directors have been trying to achieve over the last few months. As a person who has been a director of 3 companies and managed several more I am totally bewildered by what there thinking is.
Mr Fenty has always stated that he would sell the club if the right people/ person came along but the board are making the club unsellable with their actions over the last few weeks.
I do believe that Mr Fenty has had enough and would like to sell the club but I do think that until that happens he should bring people in to run the club. For a man who has 2 million pounds in " benign" loans he certainly isn't putting forward a good reason for anybody to come forward and take over.

Quoted from Cambs Mariner

Having read the posts about the latest fiasco to beseech GTFC. I having been trying to work out what Mr Fenty and I presume the rest of the directors have been trying to achieve over the last few months. As a person who has been a director of 3 companies and managed several more I am totally bewildered by what there thinking is.
Mr Fenty has always stated that he would sell the club if the right people/ person came along but the board are making the club unattractive to buy with their actions over the last few weeks.
I do believe that Mr Fenty has had enough and would like to sell the club but I do think that until that happens he should bring people in to run the club. For a man who has 2 million pounds in " benign" loans he certainly isn't putting forward a good reason for anybody to come forward and take over.

Good point. If you want to leave somewhere, make it more attractive rather than less so. Strikes me that departure would be an admission of failure and, for someone who's never wrong, that would be a bridge too far.

Quoted from golfer

A snake can shed its skin but a leopard can't change its spots. When a snake sheds its skin it's still a snake-I wish we could shed a snake instead of its skin-fck the leopard.---Confucius say.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_ZBqpEUbik

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Good point. If you want to leave somewhere, make it more attractive rather than less so. Strikes me that departure would be an admission of failure and, for someone who's never wrong, that would be a bridge too far.

It does make you wonder. Admitting defeat is the hardest thing in life.

Quoted from Squarkus

So you must no what has happened, I would like to see both sides of the discussion ginney or argument for that matter, so if you want to enlighten us all feel free, she may of resigned for pearsonel reasons we are all speculating at present.

So has something happened behind the scenes that we don't know about?

Quoted from darren9

This is getting ridiculous. We lurch from one disaster to another. The goodwill and the positivity from the promotion season has gone.

The staff have changed. Management and players have all gone. Alright, managers and players do that. They always have and they always will but it's changed quickly and the team spirit and unity between us and them has gone.

We've learnt nothing, absolutely nothing from our lowest point, from our years in non league. It was the perfect time to build and to gather momentum- that might even have aided with the building of a new ground.

Instead, what we have is in-fighting and an awful, awful
Atmosphere. Fans have been called bullies, we've not been backed by the club when we've been treated appallingly and now the voice we have has been silenced.

I don't post much on here and I don't talk much football on social media. I prefer sarcastic tweets that are only funny to me. But I've had enough. The club is being strangled. The fans marginalised and it's the play-thing of the major shareholder.

I've long thought it pointless to complain. I was even of the belief that without him we'd be in trouble. But we're in more trouble with him at the helm.

It's time, getyourfactsright to stop falling out with fans, the media, message boards, other board members, investors, managers, players and god knows how many other people and take a good long look in the mirror. These catastrophies can not possibly all be other peoples fault and the arguementative aggressive tone does no-one any favours.

No amount of badly worded, press releases, message board rants or odd interviews perched on top of a snooker table can fix this.

The club needs to appreciate its fans and to involve us. Not treat us as an inconvenience.

Football without fans is nothing and you're in danger of driving the fans away from GTFC.

No it hasn't UTM

Quoted from Kristine

No it hasn't UTM

(dwarf)

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Quoted from Kristine

No it hasn't UTM

(yahoo)

Quoted from Kristine

No it hasn't UTM

Glad to hear it.Just like to say thanks for the job you have done and congratulations on being one of the few people representing GTFC off the field in recent times to have had any positive impact with the fans.The decision for you to quit speaks volumes about your integrity and the lack of from others who seem hell bent on self destruction because they cannot accept any kind of criticism be it perceived or actual.

Kristine could you please clarify what if any role you had/have with the GTST?

I actually think the club doesn't take the fans seriously . I assume they are thinking that they are just dealing with a couple of keyboard warrior bullies who are stirring the pot and upsetting everyone ..... it happens when someone has been in power for so long . Just look back through history . If you don't agree with him don't go to the games , that is the only real power the fans have .... I never thought id say it but the posts on here are becoming a tad boring now . Just vote with your feet . Gtfc will be there waiting for you when you come back .

Quoted from fleabag1970

I actually think the club doesn't take the fans seriously . I assume they are thinking that they are just dealing with a couple of keyboard warrior bullies who are stirring the pot and upsetting everyone ..... it happens when someone has been in power for so long . Just look back through history . If you don't agree with him don't go to the games , that is the only real power the fans have .... I never thought id say it but the posts on here are becoming a tad boring now . Just vote with your feet . Gtfc will be there waiting for you when you come back .

Be far better if everyone attends the games with a whistle and in the 16th minute stand up turn their backs to the game making as much noise as possible chanting in unison Sack the board

Quoted from 1mickylyons

Glad to hear it.Just like to say thanks for the job you have done and congratulations on being one of the few people representing GTFC off the field in recent times to have had any positive impact with the fans.The decision for you to quit speaks volumes about your integrity and the lack of from others who seem hell bent on self destruction because they cannot accept any kind of criticism be it perceived or actual.

Kristine could you please clarify what if any role you had/have with the GTST?

The Mariners Trust? I'm a standard board member the same as everybody else there.

Quoted from Kristine

The Mariners Trust? I'm a standard board member the same as everybody else there.

Thanks for clearing that up.

No it hasn't UTM[/quote]

Kristine. Well done on all the hard work you've done on behalf of the club over the past year or so. To be shortlisted for SLO of the year in such a short time in the role can only mean you were doing a great job.

To then be totally blindsided in this way is disgraceful..

Best of luck with your continued studies for your degree in PR. There could still be a role for you at Blundell Park. :)