Was on the Burnsy show on Humberside this morning saying she is against the new stadium at Peaks Parkway, saying it's the wrong location. ??)

Don't care, still fancy her.

There's a surprise. Ah well - voted for her to keep that moron Ayling out so still won in the end.

Shes off to Wembley anyway...last time she went was 1998 to the Northampton playoff final lol.

14:45 onwards and 35:30 seconds onwards about Grimsby Town, she said "definitely thinks we need a new stadium, but she's not sure it's the right location, worried about retail drawing trade from the Town centre, but understands the financial issues for the club."

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Just look at that, how can't you vote for her? (scared) I voted for her anyway lol

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What again already ?
Think she needs to get her menstrual cycle looked at ,
Mind you explains her choice of colour dress 😉

Labour's "Keep Grimsby excrement" policy enters its 71st year, I see.

disappointing but she's still bloody gorgeous

She gets my vote anytime  8) 8) 8) 8)

Unbelievable! She's a puppet!

Quoted from HackneyHaddock

Labour's "Keep Grimsby excrement" policy enters its 71st year, I see.

Exactly. Since when has Labour done any good for GY

Quoted from carrot top

Exactly. Since when has Labour done any good for GY

'But we've always been Labour because they are for the working class!' That's what I keep hearing. When will people realise that times have changed and there are more than 3 classes nowadays, labour support the benefit class and not the working person/family. IMO

"What have Labour ever done for Grimsby?" is comedy gold. Like the "what have the Romans ever done for us?" scene in Life of Brian.

....apart from the NHS, working family tax credit, employment rights, workplace safety, council housing giving people somewhere decent to live as opposed to the damp dilapidated slums of the old East Marsh*, fair access to schools**, leisure centre and Scaffa baffs***....

I'm sure Barralad could add loads more.

Anyone who thinks any of this would have happened if the Tories had been left to their own devices is more than averagely naive.


* ask your Great Grandad
** in my mum's day you could buy places at Clee Grammar
*** haven't been able to upgrade or replace due to government cuts and spending restrictions

Quoted from gtfc98

disappointing but she's still bloody gorgeous

This

Melanie Onn, is the extra n for naughty (w00t)

Quoted from Nelly GTFC

Shes off to Wembley anyway...last time she went was 1998 to the Northampton playoff final lol.

14:45 onwards and 35:30 seconds onwards about Grimsby Town, she said "definitely thinks we need a new stadium, but she's not sure it's the right location, worried about retail drawing trade from the Town centre, but understands the financial issues for the club."

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Just look at that, how can't you vote for her? (scared) I voted for her anyway lol

I couldn't vote for her, as I don't live in the constituency, but her comments on the stadium concern me. Yes, Great Coates was a far better option and still would be if it could be brought back onto the agenda. But it isn't and it won't be. Shrewsbury's new stadium is not exactly in an area blessed with what one might consider "good" transport links, but ways were found to make it happen and make it work. Unfortunately, our political leaders appear only to be capable of finding reasons why things should not be done instead of why they should.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Melanie Onn, is the extra n for naughty (w00t)

Nope. It's for 'negative'.   Compulsory requirement to be in any seat of power in this area. 😉

Quoted from EY Mariner

I couldn't vote for her, as I don't live in the constituency, but her comments on the stadium concern me. Yes, Great Coates was a far better option and still would be if it could be brought back onto the agenda. But it isn't and it won't be. Shrewsbury's new stadium is not exactly in an area blessed with what one might consider "good" transport links, but ways were found to make it happen and make it work. Unfortunately, our political leaders appear only to be capable of finding reasons why things should not be done instead of why they should.

Whilst accepting some of your points, in the interests of balance I should point out that it is only because of an NELC Labour cabinet decision that we are even talking about a stadium off Peaks Parkway. We all await the decision by the independent body looking at the viability of the stadium on that site. Once that decision is in the public domain attitudes across the political spectrum may crystallise and battlelines will be drawn. Ultimately the matter will be sorted out by an NELC elected to represent the people of the Borough. There are massive issues to be ironed out and I personally hope that we progress to looking at those and the solutions ASAP..

Quoted from KingstonMariner

"What have Labour ever done for Grimsby?" is comedy gold. Like the "what have the Romans ever done for us?" scene in Life of Brian.

....apart from the NHS, working family tax credit, employment rights, workplace safety, council housing giving people somewhere decent to live as opposed to the damp dilapidated slums of the old East Marsh*, fair access to schools**, leisure centre and Scaffa baffs***....

I'm sure Barralad could add loads more.

Anyone who thinks any of this would have happened if the Tories had been left to their own devices is more than averagely naive.


* ask your Great Grandad
** in my mum's day you could buy places at Clee Grammar
*** haven't been able to upgrade or replace due to government cuts and spending restrictions

I moved to Park Street in 1972. At that time there were houses in both Tunnard and Hilyard streets that didn't have bathrooms....In the time since I moved away from the East Marsh the council have been behind developments involving the levelling of that blight on the landscape Guildford St, the regeneration of the terraces on Victor St and elsewhere. Possibly the best partnership in the whole area has been the development of the whole area off Central Parade. Without being too political it suits the central government to try to ensure blame around cuts/extra charges sticks at local council level

Quoted from KingstonMariner

"What have Labour ever done for Grimsby?" is comedy gold. Like the "what have the Romans ever done for us?" scene in Life of Brian.

....apart from the NHS, working family tax credit, employment rights, workplace safety, council housing giving people somewhere decent to live as opposed to the damp dilapidated slums of the old East Marsh*, fair access to schools**, leisure centre and Scaffa baffs***....

I'm sure Barralad could add loads more.

Anyone who thinks any of this would have happened if the Tories had been left to their own devices is more than averagely naive.


* ask your Great Grandad
** in my mum's day you could buy places at Clee Grammar
*** haven't been able to upgrade or replace due to government cuts and spending restrictions

Let's just have a little balance please.

* You could not "buy" a place at Clee Grammar School after 1951 because it was controlled by the Lindsey County Council.
** People were moved out of the Strand & East Marsh in the 1950s, 60s & 70s by both parties when in power to the Western, Crosby & Grange estates miles from any amenities or into the "family friendly" tower flats.
*** So built another pool miles from anywhere unless you happen to live in the middle of Little Russia.

Quoted from Civvy at last

Nope. It's for 'negative'.   Compulsory requirement to be in any seat of power in this area. 😉

Only a total pessimist could describe the development of Cleethorpes-part of "The area" as negative... :P

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Let's just have a little balance please.

* You could not "buy" a place at Clee Grammar School after 1951 because it was controlled by the Lindsey County Council.
** People were moved out of the Strand & East Marsh in the 1950s, 60s & 70s by both parties when in power to the Western, Crosby & Grange estates miles from any amenities or into the "family friendly" tower flats.
*** So built another pool miles from anywhere unless you happen to live in the middle of Little Russia.

"Miles from any amenities"?? So there were no schools, doctors, buses to the town centre in these far flung suburbs? The residents of Strand and East Marsh were probably pleading to stay in rat-infested, unfit for purpose housing

Quoted from Mariner1972

Was on the Burnsy show on Humberside this morning saying she is against the new stadium at Peaks Parkway, saying it's the wrong location. ??)

Typical politician  Get voted in and then come out against whilst sitting on the fence immediately before the election so to keep both sides sweet. Was willing to give her a chance after replacing that old duffer Mitchell, but to hell with her.

Hmmm. Thought I'd seen Onn state her opposition to the Parkway site well before the election?

I seem to remember that there as a thread somewhere about what local politicians thought and she noted then she was against that particular site. Or am I just imagining it?

Went to school with her and yes I would....

Quoted from Maringer

Hmmm. Thought I'd seen Onn state her opposition to the Parkway site well before the election?

I seem to remember that there as a thread somewhere about what local politicians thought and she noted then she was against that particular site. Or am I just imagining it?

She wrote a long article before the election which took several paragraphs to explain she was totally on the fence about the proposed location. Now she's been elected she's found she actually does have an opinion - typical politician and exemplifies precisely why there's a lack of trust towards our elected representatives.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

"What have Labour ever done for Grimsby?" is comedy gold. Like the "what have the Romans ever done for us?" scene in Life of Brian.

....apart from the NHS, working family tax credit, employment rights, workplace safety, council housing giving people somewhere decent to live as opposed to the damp dilapidated slums of the old East Marsh*, fair access to schools**, leisure centre and Scaffa baffs***....

I'm sure Barralad could add loads more.

Anyone who thinks any of this would have happened if the Tories had been left to their own devices is more than averagely naive.


* ask your Great Grandad
** in my mum's day you could buy places at Clee Grammar
*** haven't been able to upgrade or replace due to government cuts and spending restrictions

Look what they've done for us in the last 50 years ?? intercourse all

Labour hate successful businessmen and they hate Tories , Do you really think they'd ever help Fenty or the Town get what they want ?
She and the Labour council are playing politics with our club

Quoted from Fcukthescunts

Went to school with her and yes I would....

Could you finish your sentence please

"Went to school with her and yes I would....."  Would what..?   :X :P

Quoted from barralad

"Miles from any amenities"?? So there were no schools, doctors, buses to the town centre in these far flung suburbs? The residents of Strand and East Marsh were probably pleading to stay in rat-infested, unfit for purpose housing

Actually, we were. :)

Quoted from grimps

Labour hate successful businessmen and they hate Tories , Do you really think they'd ever help Fenty or the Town get what they want ?
She and the Labour council are playing politics with our club

The Football club is hardly at the top of the list of problems that a politician has to try and sort out in GY.

Quoted from grimps

Labour hate successful businessmen and they hate Tories , Do you really think they'd ever help Fenty or the Town get what they want ?
She and the Labour council are playing politics with our club

She can play with my politics all she likes!

Is she against the idea because of JF being a Tory or the fact it will detract from shops in and around freshney place? So she is also against redevelopment and relocation of the surrounding suburbs that lie outside of the town. Will be interesting to see her views on any further planning applications.

Quoted from ginnywings

The Football club is hardly at the top of the list of problems that a politician has to try and sort out in GY.

10,000 people off to Wembley, many others unable to go for varying reasons - at least 10% of the population care about the club; pretty big issue.

If she got the club a new ground sorted she'd get quite a few extra votes.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Is she against the idea because of JF being a Tory or the fact it will detract from shops in and around freshney place? So she is also against redevelopment and relocation of the surrounding suburbs that lie outside of the town. Will be interesting to see her views on any further planning applications.

IMO Town centre shopping like Freshney Place is dying out and clinging on to half empty shops, with many poundshop/charity shops shows were it is heading.

Like it or not more and more people are using internet shopping, with less need for a High St/Town centre presence especially at the sky high rents.

Town centres need to move with the times and become a focus for leisure with bars/restaurants etc.

For me any new ground needs to be easily accessible to more fans, that is why Great Coates, IMO. was a great escape.

Quoted from grimps

Labour hate successful businessmen and they hate Tories , Do you really think they'd ever help Fenty or the Town get what they want ?
She and the Labour council are playing politics with our club

You probably don't read what I write on a matter of principle. Perhaps if I use capital letters your attention may be drawn to it.

IT WAS A LABOUR CABINET DECISION TO OFFER THE PEAKS PARKWAY SITE TO GTFC...

Quoted from Jaws

10,000 people off to Wembley, many others unable to go for varying reasons - at least 10% of the population care about the club; pretty big issue.

If she got the club a new ground sorted she'd get quite a few extra votes.

I'm a supporter of the new ground site to the point where it actually cost me votes in the recent council elections but I have to say that if my experience is anything to go by opinion is very divided amongst actual fans as to whether the Parkway site is the best. I had season ticket holders on their doorsteps telling me it was a bad idea!
I agree 100% with your view that it is a big issue and I predict as things progress it will get bigger with opinions hardening on both sides of the argument.

Quoted from BIGChris

IMO Town centre shopping like Freshney Place is dying out and clinging on to half empty shops, with many poundshop/charity shops shows were it is heading.

Like it or not more and more people are using internet shopping, with less need for a High St/Town centre presence especially at the sky high rents.

Town centres need to move with the times and become a focus for leisure with bars/restaurants etc.

For me any new ground needs to be easily accessible to more fans, that is why Great Coates, IMO. was a great escape.

...So, therefore it might be possible to argue that since more and more people access sports and games through the internet and TV that there is less need for an actual physical football team in or around Grimsby to cater for we mere 5,000 or so hardy souls?


That semi-serious point aside, I agree that parking and access is a huge issue for all retail and leisure activities these days, but inventive thinking could possibly address that by using the area around the railway lines and old sidings between BP, the river and the docks.

Feminism is alive and well on The Fishy!

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

Feminism is alive and well on The Fishy!

If she wasn't pro-stadium before I reckon she will be now a load of anonymous men on a football forum have expressed sexual interest in her. We should have tried this with Austin Mitchell.

Quoted from LH

If she wasn't pro-stadium before I reckon she will be now a load of anonymous men on a football forum have expressed sexual interest in her. We should have tried this with Austin Mitchell.

;D

Quoted from grimps

Labour hate successful businessmen and they hate Tories , Do you really think they'd ever help Fenty or the Town get what they want ?
She and the Labour council are playing politics with our club

Utter drivel on all counts.

Nothing party political about support or lack thereof of the club's latest stadium plans as far as I can see. I don't think Fenty's status as a Tory has any bearing on the matter. It seems that councillors of all parties take the 'Nimby' view

Personally, I think the Parkway site would be a good choice, providing they can sort out the transportation situation and bring the community aspect of it to the fore, but I can see why locals to the area might not be so happy about it.

Has anyone taken the comments in before drawing an opinion?

She's acknowledged the club need a new stadium but has doubts that Peaks Parkway is the right location for it.  That to me suggests she's willing to work with the club to achieve what's best for not only for them but also the local community and the people she serves.  Even hinting at that is more than Austin Mitchell did in 30 years!

We badly need a new stadium, Blundell Park is falling to pieces before our eyes and is becoming less and less viable for the club.  The last thing we want to do is jump from the frying pan into the fire.  Grimsby needs a kick-start, one the stadium can provide, to get things moving again and drag the Town out of the 1970's and into the 21st century.  This is a one-off opportunity, we must get it right!

I have doubts over Peaks Parkway as a venue but so far it is the best option presented to us.  If a local MP can use her influence to bring other alternatives to the table then I'm all for that.

Quoted from diehardmariner

I have doubts over Peaks Parkway as a venue but so far it is the best option presented to us.  If a local MP can use her influence to bring other alternatives to the table then I'm all for that.

If she does and we get our new stadium she has a seat for as long as she wants it..........................

Hint, hint.........

She'll have no clout now anyway that Red Ed and the other losers have had a kicking , She has just joined the commons as a Union Shoe In  just at the time that the Labour party will shift to the right to have any chance of avoiding total Wipeout

Quoted from BIGChris

For me any new ground needs to be easily accessible to more fans, that is why Great Coates, IMO. was a great escape.

THIS. Fenty himself has come out and said he used to have sleepless nights about how we would get people out to Great Coates. The last thing we need is a souless stadium on the edge of town. Can't believe some people still think that was the ideal site.

Quoted from Grantham_Mariner

If she does and we get our new stadium she has a seat for as long as she wants it..........................

Hint, hint.........

Is it just my dirty mind thinking of where she could sit   :P

Seriously though, what's the issue? If she acknowledges Town needs a new ground that's a start and if she's unsure about PP then better to say so than not ::)

Who knows how this is going to pan out in the long run anyway?

She may only be the MP for 5 years and the way the saga of our new ground has dragged out for such a long time, things may have changed to the extent that SAGA will be more of an attraction to her than where a new home for the Mariners might be

;D ;D ;D ;D she is quiet tasty  good rep for town utm

Quoted from Vance Warner

THIS. Fenty himself has come out and said he used to have sleepless nights about how we would get people out to Great Coates. The last thing we need is a souless stadium on the edge of town. Can't believe some people still think that was the ideal site.

Would be interested to know what percentage of fans walk more than a mile to Blundell Park at present.  My money is on the vast majority either driving or jumping on the bus to get to games.  

That would be the same for a stadium anywhere.  If the stadium is at Peaks Parkway most people will either want to jump on public transport or park up at the ground.  Other clubs manage to move out of town and factor the issue of getting fans out them quite easily.  Surely it would be a simple matter of offering sufficient parking and a fleet of buses from around the Town on match-days?

Quoted from Vance Warner

THIS. Fenty himself has come out and said he used to have sleepless nights about how we would get people out to Great Coates. The last thing we need is a souless stadium on the edge of town. Can't believe some people still think that was the ideal site.

Maybe so but you only have to look at Glumford park, and how that area has developed.

Quoted from diehardmariner

Would be interested to know what percentage of fans walk more than a mile to Blundell Park at present.  My money is on the vast majority either driving or jumping on the bus to get to games.  

That would be the same for a stadium anywhere.  If the stadium is at Peaks Parkway most people will either want to jump on public transport or park up at the ground.  Other clubs manage to move out of town and factor the issue of getting fans out them quite easily.  Surely it would be a simple matter of offering sufficient parking and a fleet of buses from around the Town on match-days?

I was told that around 5% of current season ticket holders live within 1/2 a mile of BP but well over 40% live within 1/2 a mile of the Parkway site so walking to the game comes much more attractive to many. Park n ride will be needed but surely the key is to make the ground accessible to as many as possible and that is why, IMHO, out of town sites such as Great Coates would be a real problem?

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DB Where do you stand on the new stadium for GTFC the chairman wants to build it off Peaks Parkway in Grimsby?  

MO I think I am worried about the location. We need to have a new stadium there's no doubt about it - I think that actually having a new stadium if we can get into the proper football league it can do an awful lot for sense of community and sense of the pride in the town but I am worried about the location.  There are a lot of issues in terms of transport and access to that area.  I don't know. I have been speaking to a lot of people about it and they are sort of like why didn't we agree on the Great Coates site because 10 years ago that would have been perfect.
The site at PP - they're talking about having it as a mixed retail and new build housing plot and I think do we need another retail space outside the town when we have already seen quite a lot of new industrial retail sites in the area. Will it just draw more trade away from town? So I am worried about those knock on consequences that I haven't seen enough of an answer to really, but I understand the financial position of the club. I know they are losing a lot of money every single year.  Perhaps it wouldn't be the case if thy were higher up in the league however.

Quoted from Trawler

Transcript....

DB Where do you stand on the new stadium for GTFC the chairman wants to build it off Peaks Parkway in Grimsby?  

MO I think I am worried about the location. We need to have a new stadium there's no doubt about it - I think that actually having a new stadium if we can get into the proper football league it can do an awful lot for sense of community and sense of the pride in the town but I am worried about the location.  There are a lot of issues in terms of transport and access to that area.  I don't know. I have been speaking to a lot of people about it and they are sort of like why didn't we agree on the Great Coates site because 10 years ago that would have been perfect.
The site at PP - they're talking about having it as a mixed retail and new build housing plot and I think do we need another retail space outside the town when we have already seen quite a lot of new industrial retail sites in the area. Will it just draw more trade away from town? So I am worried about those knock on consequences that I haven't seen enough of an answer to really, but I understand the financial position of the club. I know they are losing a lot of money every single year.  Perhaps it wouldn't be the case if thy were higher up in the league however.

Typical politician - yes but no but yes but no......

The best argument for a new stadium will be a win on Sunday - UTM

Quoted from Trawler

Transcript....

DB Where do you stand on the new stadium for GTFC the chairman wants to build it off Peaks Parkway in Grimsby?  

MO I think I am worried about the location. We need to have a new stadium there's no doubt about it - I think that actually having a new stadium if we can get into the proper football league it can do an awful lot for sense of community and sense of the pride in the town but I am worried about the location.  There are a lot of issues in terms of transport and access to that area.  I don't know. I have been speaking to a lot of people about it and they are sort of like why didn't we agree on the Great Coates site because 10 years ago that would have been perfect.
The site at PP - they're talking about having it as a mixed retail and new build housing plot and I think do we need another retail space outside the town when we have already seen quite a lot of new industrial retail sites in the area. Will it just draw more trade away from town? So I am worried about those knock on consequences that I haven't seen enough of an answer to really, but I understand the financial position of the club. I know they are losing a lot of money every single year.  Perhaps it wouldn't be the case if thy were higher up in the league however.

What the frig is she rattling on about.

Quoted from Trawler

Transcript....

DB Where do you stand on the new stadium for GTFC the chairman wants to build it off Peaks Parkway in Grimsby?  

MO I think I am worried about the location. We need to have a new stadium there's no doubt about it - I think that actually having a new stadium if we can get into the proper football league it can do an awful lot for sense of community and sense of the pride in the town but I am worried about the location.  There are a lot of issues in terms of transport and access to that area.  I don't know. I have been speaking to a lot of people about it and they are sort of like why didn't we agree on the Great Coates site because 10 years ago that would have been perfect.
The site at PP - they're talking about having it as a mixed retail and new build housing plot and I think do we need another retail space outside the town when we have already seen quite a lot of new industrial retail sites in the area. Will it just draw more trade away from town? So I am worried about those knock on consequences that I haven't seen enough of an answer to really, but I understand the financial position of the club. I know they are losing a lot of money every single year.  Perhaps it wouldn't be the case if thy were higher up in the league however.

I fail to see how being higher up in the league would make any difference to the site at PP being more viable, unless Town get in the premier league and that ain't going to happen any time soon. From what i understand the new stadium is only viable with an enabling development ( housing / retail ) and if she is against out of town retail then all of a sudden we have taken a massive step backwards yet again under this council.
And i really believed it was going to happen this time, what a mug.

Quoted from arryarryarry

What the frig is she rattling on about.

Give her a break. She's only just got her feet under the table. She's clearly not a football fan and doesn't know the in's and out's of the issue yet. Christ, she though we were at Wembley in 2001 not 1998!

Pretty sure all she was saying from what I heard was that she had concerns about the location, she didn't indicate that she wasn't open to hear the club's ideas to mitigate those concerns!

She's going to be a very good MP for this area. Of that I'm sure.

Quoted from BIGChris

well over 40% live within 1/2 a mile of the Parkway site so walking to the game comes much more attractive to many

Can't be right Chris, I'd say the site is probably about 1/2 mile from the Weelsby Road junction and there isn't much else in the other direction!

There is only one logical place to move the stadium:

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/YrCdh1k.png[/IMG]

• Town Centre location
  
• Perfect Rail and Bus Links
  
• Easily accessible from major roads into and out of town
  
• Within walking distance of pretty much everyone
  
• Not too many houses nearby so no complaints about noise
  
• Not too many graves nearby so no complaints about disturbing the dead
  
• Revitalise empty Riverhead locations
  
• Pre-drink in Wetherspoons / Barge
  
• Car Parking at the old Allied Carpets place just over the river (next to bus station)
  
• Away fans can visit the Ross Tiger
  
• intercourse Henry Boot
  

And zero car parking.........

Nutty idea. We currently have street parking for hundreds of cars around BP.  I don't think the B&M Bargains car park will suffice!

People can park at Asda / Sainsburys / B & Q / Tesco / Freshney Place / That dilapadated old car park near Doughty Road and walk. There's literally thousands of car parking spaces round here.

Probably the worst place suggested and I include the UKIP proposal in that.

Quoted from Dan

People can park at Asda / Sainsburys / B & Q / Tesco / Freshney Place and walk. There's literally thousands of car parking spaces round here.

Can somebody tell me how much you get fined for staying in these car parks for more than two hours? I seem to think it's in the region of 70 or 80 quid.

Could make a season ticket at the new stadium a little more expensive than you might like.

Quoted from Dan

People can park at Asda / Sainsburys / B & Q / Tesco / Freshney Place and walk. There's literally thousands of car parking spaces round here.

I'm sure they will be happy about that on a saturday afternoon, one of the busiest times for customer parking.

Well, it wouldn't be hard to negotiate something would it?

It's literally the best place suggested. The best. Totally regenerates the entire town centre. That's exactly what we need.

Dad goes to football, mum does the shopping. Still only using one car though.

And anyway, why would anyone even need to park nearby if the stadium is in the bloody town centre? The stadium is literally at the bus station, and within 5 minutes of the train station.

Dunno what's more embarrassing to the town, the rampant sexism or the way the propaganda of Murdoch and co. Have people from Grimsby of all places spewing Tory lies and rhetoric.

I disagree. We need to think BIGGER and BOLDER. Behold:

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• Next to the train station
  
• Next to lots of pubs (inc wetherspoons)
  
• Scenic seaside location
  
• There's about 20 parking spaces in Cleethorpes marketplace so that will probably do
  
• Next to the bus station as well
  
• Loads of good fish and chip shops nearby unlike that rubbish one next to Blundell Park
  

I can see literally no downsides to this proposal.

I can see your logic, but I think my site is better because it's also near the Fishing Heritage Centre and supermarkets, and people might want to visit them before or after the game.

I honestly think BP is not far off the best site in the area.

- Right next to the main route in to the town (a180)
- Close to the railway station
- Plenty of pubs, shops within walking distance
- Plenty of parking
- Surrounded by houses in which everyone who lives there arrived after the stadium.

I honestly don't see how Great Coates or Peakes Parkway can compare if I am honest. It may be me being thick but I have still not seen any financial justification for moving. If someone can show me the maths that would be great.

Why not give the woman a fair crack of the whip? She's just been elected, she's not anti Town, but she does have to reflect the views of all the residents of her Grimsby constituency. I'm sure she appreciates all the lecherous remarks, and having been involved with a Trade Union prior to becoming an MP she'd be more than capable of holding her own against them. Just think, you could have had Victoria Ayling rabbiting on totally incoherently about the club, now that would have been embarrassing.

Other plus's of Chris Blor's magnificent proposal

+ Fans can use Donkeys to get to the ground from the Leisure Centre, (or the train on wheels)

+ The club will save on lost footballs as the RNLI can collect the balls kicked out of the ground

+ Teams can arrive by ferry

Future foreign owners can moor their yachts in the idyllic Humber Estuary.  

We could probably use some kind of tidal power station as an enabling development.

Quoted from Dan

We could probably use some kind of tidal power station as an enabling development.

Not if you believe that nutter Ayling; what's going to happen when the renewables run out?

Quoted from BIGChris

I was told that around 5% of current season ticket holders live within 1/2 a mile of BP but well over 40% live within 1/2 a mile of the Parkway site so walking to the game comes much more attractive to many. Park n ride will be needed but surely the key is to make the ground accessible to as many as possible and that is why, IMHO, out of town sites such as Great Coates would be a real problem?

Difficult though it may be to believe I've been told by an NELC employee that the Parkway site is almost right in the middle of NELCs area.

Quoted from gtfc98

Give her a break. She's only just got her feet under the table. She's clearly not a football fan and doesn't know the in's and out's of the issue yet. Christ, she though we were at Wembley in 2001 not 1998!

Pretty sure all she was saying from what I heard was that she had concerns about the location, she didn't indicate that she wasn't open to hear the club's ideas to mitigate those concerns!

She's going to be a very good MP for this area. Of that I'm sure.

It's got sod all to do with how long she has been in a job, my post was how she was struggling to make a coherent comment.

Quoted from WetFlannel

Dunno what's more embarrassing to the town, the rampant sexism or the way the propaganda of Murdoch and co. Have people from Grimsby of all places spewing Tory lies and rhetoric.

You're right of course I mean non of the other parties MPs lie.

I mean Gordon Brown (lying twit) Nick Clegg (lying twit) and all those politicians serving time at Her Majesty's Pleasure were fitted up of course.

Seriously? People think she is gorgeous?
Way better looking than our last MP granted, your average MP also... but gorgeous?

Quoted from moosey_club

Seriously? People think she is gorgeous?
Way better looking than our last MP granted, your average MP also... but gorgeous?

Exactly what I was thinking, easily only a 6 out of 10? But that's six more than the wife I guess 😔

Quoted from jaymariner

Exactly what I was thinking, easily only a 6 out of 10? But that's six more than the wife I guess 😔

My wife ? Or yours ?  :P

Where did I say anything about the abilities of politicians from certain parties to lie?

Quoted from psgmariner

I honestly think BP is not far off the best site in the area.

- Right next to the main route in to the town (a180)
- Close to the railway station
- Plenty of pubs, shops within walking distance
- Plenty of parking
- Surrounded by houses in which everyone who lives there arrived after the stadium.

I honestly don't see how Great Coates or Peakes Parkway can compare if I am honest. It may be me being thick but I have still not seen any financial justification for moving. If someone can show me the maths that would be great.

Where is the nearest public car park to BP ? I can't think of one nearer than Isaacs Hill but maybe I've missed something. As far as on street parking - that's great, just obstruct residents spaces on their own fronts! Of course lots of people arrived after the stadium was built but car ownership was nowhere like the amount it is now. Even in the last twenty years car ownership has increased an amazing amount and that includes both the areas around BP and the fans from other areas who go there. This is a very selfish attitude to assume it's ok to park on somebodies front just to allow you to do so when it suits you. BP is totally unsuitable for a modern football club - the club don't want it there , the Council don't and I'm sure a lot of the people in the surrounding area don't.

I never struggle to get a space within a 5 minute walk of the ground. Easy to get out and it's free. Not sure what your point is or is this a whoosh moment?

Quoted from rancido

Where is the nearest public car park to BP ? I can't think of one nearer than Isaacs Hill but maybe I've missed something. As far as on street parking - that's great, just obstruct residents spaces on their own fronts! Of course lots of people arrived after the stadium was built but car ownership was nowhere like the amount it is now. Even in the last twenty years car ownership has increased an amazing amount and that includes both the areas around BP and the fans from other areas who go there. This is a very selfish attitude to assume it's ok to park on somebodies front just to allow you to do so when it suits you. BP is totally unsuitable for a modern football club - the club don't want it there , the Council don't and I'm sure a lot of the people in the surrounding area don't.

Residents aren't allocated spaces and having a friend who lives down a similar road to those around Blundell Park, she is always moaning about neighbours with more than one car parking at the front of her house.

I like Dan's idea and have mentioned such a plan before on here.

I also don't buy the "Where's the car parking?" point either.  Anfield, Millennium Stadium, the Emirates, Selhurst, Stamford Bridge, Craven Cottage and loads of others are in fantastic town centre locations.  There's plenty of public transport to Grimsby Town Centre and most of the population of the area could easily walk or cycle to the centre if the infrastructure was there.  It just seems insane to take up valuable real estate footprint with flat tarmac when it could be spent on the ground.

The trend for stadium design around the world is now moving away from out-of-town developments of the sort that cropped up outside every US city in the 1970s, and towards grounds rooted in communities and towns.  I wish we could do the same, but fear money would be a problem as we might have to buy that site and make it safe for development with it being so close to water.

If you're going to have a community asset/retail park aspect to the development, you'll need considerable parking on site.

In fact, if you're going to have the community bit, you'll need a lot more space in general than a town centre stadium would be able to offer. There's obviously room for this at the Peaks Parkway site though whether or not it will be able to get off the ground is a different matter.

It was always less happy with the proposed Great Coates site because, personally, it would have been bloody miles away from me here at the far side of Cleethorpes and therefore for a similar large chunk of the fan base. Not a quick journey through town for me at all, especially on a busy Saturday.

Peaks Parkway would be a little further away than BP but I could theoretically walk it if necessary. They would need to build a few new footpaths to make it a bit easier, mind!

Knock BP down and play at Bradley for the duration of the building works?

I was brought up around bp, and I still live there now.  I accept that the football ground was there before I moved back there and plan around match days as best I can.  I also agree with the point about increased car usage.  I remember the ladies who would let you leave your bike in there yard for a penny.

I was brought up around bp, and I still live there now.  I accept that the football ground was there before I moved back there and plan around match days as best I can.  I also agree with the point about increased car usage.  I remember the ladies who would let you leave your bike in there yard for a penny.

When my Dad was very young he lived in a house near BP (don't remember which street) and has told me he remembers stacks of bikes in their yard from people going to the game!

Quoted from psgmariner

I never struggle to get a space within a 5 minute walk of the ground. Easy to get out and it's free. Not sure what your point is or is this a whoosh moment?

Not a " whoosh " moment at all. I just don't see how fans think the car parking arrangement is ok at BP when there isn't any PUBLIC parking except for parking on other peoples fronts. I know they don't have " reserved " spaces in front of their homes but I'm fairly sure that fans wold be up in arms if they had cars parked on their fronts on a regular basis if another form of entertainment was involved . I think this would be certainly the case of they couldn't then park their own cars outside their homes.

Quoted from Maringer

When my Dad was very young he lived in a house near BP (don't remember which street) and has told me he remembers stacks of bikes in their yard from people going to the game!

That's right, the owners used to charge 2d that's less than 1p to leave your bike while the match was on,

Also there were many special buses put on from all parts of the town,

I was a bus driver and we got in free to watch the game if we were driving a special. 8)

Quoted from rancido

Not a " whoosh " moment at all. I just don't see how fans think the car parking arrangement is ok at BP when there isn't any PUBLIC parking except for parking on other peoples fronts. I know they don't have " reserved " spaces in front of their homes but I'm fairly sure that fans wold be up in arms if they had cars parked on their fronts on a regular basis if another form of entertainment was involved . I think this would be certainly the case of they couldn't then park their own cars outside their homes.

You could argue that the council can't be too fussed about the current issues concerning the area closest to BP and everyone parking there on match days

Take this Sunday at Wembley for example....it will be residents only close to the stadium to protect the local inhabitants' rights so fans will have to park away from the venue and find other means of getting to the ground

This could be sorted out in Cleethorpes too I guess although all it would mean administration to control who can park there (and a cost for this no doubt) but it would mean the majority driving to the game would have to park further away from  the ground than they do currently and leave the streets closest to BP free for residents ::)

Quoted from FishOutOfWater

You could argue that the council can't be too fussed about the current issues concerning the area closest to BP and everyone parking there on match days

Take this Sunday at Wembley for example....it will be residents only close to the stadium to protect the local inhabitants' rights so fans will have to park away from the venue and find other means of getting to the ground

This could be sorted out in Cleethorpes too I guess although all it would mean administration to control who can park there (and a cost for this no doubt) but it would mean the majority driving to the game would have to park further away from  the ground than they do currently and leave the streets closest to BP free for residents ::)

You could but wasn't it the council who first suggested that the club move . As I understand it the club approached the council to see how favourable their reaction would be to a re-developed BP ( this was quite some years ago ). The councils response was that they would rather the club moved to a new site. Now I'm not saying this was the only reason but it is possible that the council regarded the existing parking at BP as totally inadequate and this could be solved by the club moving to another site.

Quoted from rancido

Not a " whoosh " moment at all. I just don't see how fans think the car parking arrangement is ok at BP when there isn't any PUBLIC parking except for parking on other peoples fronts. I know they don't have " reserved " spaces in front of their homes but I'm fairly sure that fans wold be up in arms if they had cars parked on their fronts on a regular basis if another form of entertainment was involved . I think this would be certainly the case of they couldn't then park their own cars outside their homes.

They are not parking on "other peoples fronts" as you put it. They are parking on a public highway which is the right of everyone who purchases road tax. People who venture to BP in a car, travel around until they find the nearest empty spot to the ground, as is their right. You have no more rights to the bit of road in front of your house than the next person.

Quoted from The_Laughing_Mariner

I was brought up around bp, and I still live there now.  I accept that the football ground was there before I moved back there and plan around match days as best I can.  I also agree with the point about increased car usage. I remember the ladies who would let you leave your bike in there yard for a penny.

Is that a euphenism?

Why anyone needs to actually drive to Blundell park is beyond me. I should think the majority of home fans could very easily walk, get public transport or cycle. It's also only a short walk from the train station. And while we're in the conference, the away fans can easily park their 2 cars in McDonalds.

Quoted from Dan

Why anyone needs to actually drive to Blundell park is beyond me. I should think the majority of home fans could very easily walk, get public transport or cycle. It's also only a short walk from the train station. And while we're in the conference, the away fans can easily park their 2 cars in McDonalds.

I walk to and from BP (2.5 mile round trip) but if people choose to use their car, then i can't see the problem myself. If it's p1ssing down, the missus will drop me off.

Quoted from Dan

Why anyone needs to actually drive to Blundell park is beyond me. I should think the majority of home fans could very easily walk, get public transport or cycle. It's also only a short walk from the train station. And while we're in the conference, the away fans can easily park their 2 cars in McDonalds.

As an exile like you Dan, I drive in to see Town play because I don't feel that public transport serves my needs

I park as close as I can to BP but generally I get to leave the car somewhere close to Sidney Park....say at the top end of Lovett Street or Barcroft Street.

It more often than not means I still have to find a space to park even though I still have a 5-10 minute walk to the ground but I guess I could park even further away and not have to worry too much about leaving my car in front of someone's house, taking the space maybe of someone who might like to park outside their own front door

Unfortunately it's a fact of modern life that there are too few parking spaces on the terraced streets around the area...they were designed well before car ownership reached its current levels so now we just have to play a kind of "musical chairs" taking whatever is up for grabs

Quoted from ginnywings

They are not parking on "other peoples fronts" as you put it. They are parking on a public highway which is the right of everyone who purchases road tax. People who venture to BP in a car, travel around until they find the nearest empty spot to the ground, as is their right. You have no more rights to the bit of road in front of your house than the next person.

You've just hit on one of my pet hates around here.....people who double the width of the entrance to their driveway (which was probably never made as a driveway in the first place) then expect people not only to not park in front of the lowered kerb but also not park within 7 feet of it. You end up losing even more parking space than if they'd just parked their car on the road outside their house in the first place - and the buggers aren't there all day anyway.

I feel better for that!

Quoted from promotion plaice

I fail to see how being higher up in the league would make any difference to the site at PP being more viable, unless Town get in the premier league and that ain't going to happen any time soon. From what i understand the new stadium is only viable with an enabling development ( housing / retail ) and if she is against out of town retail then all of a sudden we have taken a massive step backwards yet again under this council.
And i really believed it was going to happen this time, what a mug.

She meant about the club not losing so much money.

As for taking another step back - it wasn't the council's idea to finance the ground that way. That was John Fenty and/or his advisers.

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

Let's just have a little balance please.

* You could not "buy" a place at Clee Grammar School after 1951 because it was controlled by the Lindsey County Council.
** People were moved out of the Strand & East Marsh in the 1950s, 60s & 70s by both parties when in power to the Western, Crosby & Grange estates miles from any amenities or into the "family friendly" tower flats.
*** So built another pool miles from anywhere unless you happen to live in the middle of Little Russia.

* My mum's generation is older than that. By the 50s both major parties were well and truly behind the welfare state. It was the only way the Tries could get elected - it wasn't just about ending rationing.
** I know families who were glad to be moved out and provided with decent houses. Estates planned with shops, schools and parks.
*** "Little Russia" speaks volumes.

Quoted from ginnywings

They are not parking on "other peoples fronts" as you put it. They are parking on a public highway which is the right of everyone who purchases road tax. People who venture to BP in a car, travel around until they find the nearest empty spot to the ground, as is their right. You have no more rights to the bit of road in front of your house than the next person.

I usually enjoy your posts Ginnywings, they are usually well balanced and constructive. I do feel though that the opinion you have voiced in this post is the most selfish I have heard for some time. You may have the legal right to park where you like but surely there is a moral right for a person who lives in a terrace house to park on their own front. Once we start adopting this " f*ck you Jack I'm alright - I have a legal right to do this" attitude regardless, then we become a very selfish , uncaring society.

Quoted from Dan

Why anyone needs to actually drive to Blundell park is beyond me. I should think the majority of home fans could very easily walk, get public transport or cycle. It's also only a short walk from the train station. And while we're in the conference, the away fans can easily park their 2 cars in McDonalds.

Like many Town fans I live in the Louth area which isn't terribly well served by High Speed Trains (thanks Dr Beeching), it's also quite a distance to walk and my knees don't permit me to bike - permission to drive please?

Quoted from rancido

I usually enjoy your posts Ginnywings, they are usually well balanced and constructive. I do feel though that the opinion you have voiced in this post is the most selfish I have heard for some time. You may have the legal right to park where you like but surely there is a moral right for a person who lives in a terrace house to park on their own front. Once we start adopting this " f*ck you Jack I'm alright - I have a legal right to do this" attitude regardless, then we become a very selfish , uncaring society.

He was talking about parking outside their house for a couple of hours once a fortnight, not mugging them.

Quoted from KingstonMariner

* My mum's generation is older than that. By the 50s both major parties were well and truly behind the welfare state. It was the only way the Tries could get elected - it wasn't just about ending rationing.
** I know families who were glad to be moved out and provided with decent houses. Estates planned with shops, schools and parks.
*** "Little Russia" speaks volumes.

* My cousin got a scholarship to Clee Grammar in the late 40s. His father was a deckie without a penny saved and knew nobody of note. Until 1951 the school was a minor public school in the sense of being funded by the church and private donations, notably in the 50s by the Kirman family who built the swimming pool block. Prior to WW2 admission was fee paying or scholarships but so were all grammar schools in some form or other as the only secondary schools available until the 1944 Act by the National Government raised the school leaving age and established secondary education for all.

** Mine was one of the families moves out and I assure you had no desire at all to be at the back of beyond on Crosby or Grange. The nearest shop to Crosby Road until Beechwood Road was built was in Second Avenue, a lovely walk. The earlier migrants from Strand who were housed on Western had no shops until Bradley Crossroads shops were built. Poor people, no cars. People who used to walk to work and shop had to use the wonderful bus service. Great if you were a fisherman or filleter. They had a school but no doctor. These estates in the sticks were a barmy idea and have done more harm than good as the court reports in the ET testify. Grimsby wasn't the only place to do it, Bransholme is brilliant too.

*** Little Russia is the name given to the West Marsh by one of the old Labour newspapers, the Herald I would guess, before WW2. Seeing as a lot of the West Marshers were shipped out to their own back of beyond on the Willows, that carried on the name. Common parlance to older people.