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Posted by: RichMariner, April 17, 2015, 10:10am
I know we have a lot of people on here who like grammar, so I was hoping a few of you could help me out with this one...

It's a header, and it needs to lead with the number:

4 thousand unique individual's behaviour analysed

Basically I can't work out whether that apostrophe in 'individual's' is right. Should it go after the 's', since we're talking about 2 million individuals as a collective? Or does the word 'unique' change that?

As a side note, I think the word 'unique' is redundant because individuals by their very nature are unique. But forget that for now.

Posted by: PPMariner, April 17, 2015, 10:31am; Reply: 1
Individuals'

...and I'd concur on your aside about the use of 'unique'...
Posted by: RichMariner, April 17, 2015, 10:39am; Reply: 2
Cheers - that was my gut feeling. Now the really tricky part... can you explain why?
Posted by: Maringer, April 17, 2015, 10:50am; Reply: 3
It is the plural possessive:

http://www.scribendi.com/advice/how_to_use_plural_possessives_properly.en.html

On an aside, writing the number '4 thousand' in this sense isn't very good form.

You should really use either '4,000' or 'Four thousand'.

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/

Adding the word unique is completely redundant, as you note.
Posted by: RichMariner, April 17, 2015, 12:05pm; Reply: 4
Thanks.

The way I see it is:

4,000 unique individuals' behaviour is the noun phrase, with behaviour the head noun.

Analysed is the adverb (the verb is has been dropped, something headlines tend to do).

So the 'behaviour' we're analysing belongs to the 4,000 unique individuals.

It'd be much easier if we could say: "We analysed the behaviour of 4,000 individuals" but alas, the number has to come first in this instance.
Posted by: Marinerz93, April 17, 2015, 9:08pm; Reply: 5
I thought this was an ask your nana type question thread  ;)

Anyone know what pub does a lovely cavarly  ;D
Posted by: grimsby pete, April 17, 2015, 9:15pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from RichMariner
Thanks.

The way I see it is:

4,000 unique individuals' behaviour is the noun phrase, with behaviour the head noun.

Analysed is the adverb (the verb is has been dropped, something headlines tend to do).

So the 'behaviour' we're analysing belongs to the 4,000 unique individuals.

It'd be much easier if we could say: "We analysed the behaviour of 4,000 individuals" but alas, the number has to come first in this instance.


I am intrigued to know what the outcome was after the four thousand had been analysed. ;)
Posted by: KingstonMariner, April 17, 2015, 11:51pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from Maringer
It is the plural possessive:

http://www.scribendi.com/advice/how_to_use_plural_possessives_properly.en.html

On an aside, writing the number '4 thousand' in this sense isn't very good form.

You should really use either '4,000' or 'Four thousand'.

http://www.dailywritingtips.com/10-rules-for-writing-numbers-and-numerals/

Adding the word unique is completely redundant, as you note.


Isn't the word "completely" redundant?  :)
Posted by: Maringer, April 18, 2015, 9:04am; Reply: 8
Completely.

It was just a rhetorical device. One of these, I expect:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_of_rhetorical_terms

I'll be buggered if I'm going to try and work out which was it was though.  ;)
Posted by: TownSNAFU5, April 18, 2015, 2:36pm; Reply: 9
I agree with the feedback comments above. Is the 4,000 meant to be an exact number or an approximation?
Posted by: RichMariner, April 18, 2015, 9:53pm; Reply: 10
It's an approximation.

I've been editing and proof reading a presentation that I'm not a part of, so the context to all of this is fairly limited I'm afraid.

I believe "unique individuals" and "completely redundant" are examples of pleonasm - a bit like:


Posted by: KingstonMariner, April 25, 2015, 8:29pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from RichMariner
It's an approximation.

I've been editing and proof reading a presentation that I'm not a part of, so the context to all of this is fairly limited I'm afraid.

I believe "unique individuals" and "completely redundant" are examples of pleonasm - a bit like:

  • Personal friends (since when are friends not personal?) When they're FaceBook friends?
  • Added bonuses (bonuses by their very nature are additional)
  • Free gifts (if you have to pay for it, it's not a gift)



Posted by: codcheeky, April 26, 2015, 10:08am; Reply: 12
Quoted from RichMariner
It's an approximation.

I've been editing and proof reading a presentation that I'm not a part of, so the context to all of this is fairly limited I'm afraid.

I believe "unique individuals" and "completely redundant" are examples of pleonasm - a bit like:

  • Personal friends (since when are friends not personal?)
  • Added bonuses (bonuses by their very nature are additional)
  • Free gifts (if you have to pay for it, it's not a gift) Gifts that cost nothing i.e. wild flowers



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