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Posted by: jock dock tower, December 29, 2014, 9:49am
Have watched with amazement at the calls for Hurst's head on this forum over the last couple of days. Earlier in the season I put up a posting about percentages of Town games won etc, and doubted whether they had the ability on either this season's form - or any other season in the Conference - to reach the requisite number of points in order to get into the play offs. I'm so glad that I have been proved wrong with those statistics and Town are in a decent position.

We've played 27 games so far, and we had our notorious slow start to the season and after a third of the games had been played we'd won 3, drawn 3, and lost 3. Barnet on the other hand had won 7, drawn 1, and lost 1. In the remaining games since then we have won 10, drawn 5 and lost 3. If we take off Barnet's extra game played they have won 10, drawn 4 and lost 4. Is anybody calling for their manager's head because of such a shocking run, securing one less point than we have?

The internet, and fans forums in particular make it easy for people to vent their wrath on players and managers in the heat of the moment. Perhaps taking a deep breath and looking at things realistically instead might be a good idea?
Posted by: denni266, December 29, 2014, 10:16am; Reply: 1
Had a night to think things over and,well,, anyone know of any one way trains out of town for him. . clueless  boring  and just wasting  fenty`s money  
Posted by: Lincoln Mariner 56, December 29, 2014, 11:28am; Reply: 2
Had to put up with my son in law at tea last night who attends nearly every Lincoln match. He emphasised the difference their change in Manager has made in the style and approach of their play with the key part being a " Keegan" type approach of we will outscore you. They certainly got men forward in numbers yesterday and whilst leaving themselves vulnerable at the back were pretty good to watch.

As a number stated yesterday we need a more mobile and quick thinking central midfield and a proper quality wideman. Play Neilson behind the front two, as Power played yesterday, and we may see an upturn. Moyes at the minute seems to dispel the need for a full pro A lcoaching licence but accept its early days. A win over Barnet at the weekend though could really put them in the mix. God life will be unbearable in the local if that happens!!
Posted by: MarinerWY, December 29, 2014, 11:50am; Reply: 3
Quoted from denni266
Had a night to think things over and,well,, anyone know of any one way trains out of town for him. . clueless  boring  and just wasting  fenty`s money  


Any club that sacks a manager after the record we currently have, and the league position we hold, deserves everything they get IMO.
Posted by: Marinerz93, December 29, 2014, 12:28pm; Reply: 4
Quoted from MarinerWY


Any club that sacks a manager after the record we currently have, and the league position we hold, deserves everything they get IMO.


So we deserved Mike Neweel, is that what you are saying because AB never got us relegated.
Posted by: FishOutOfWater, December 29, 2014, 12:30pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from MarinerWY


Any club that sacks a manager after the record we currently have, and the league position we hold, deserves everything they get IMO.


On the other hand there is the argument that says if the club maintain the current status quo they'll also deserve everything they get - the thing is nobody knows for sure what will happen in 2015

I'm not minded to get rid of Hurst based on a poor result yesterday but to my mind when we got the opener yesterday we didn't go hard enough for the second killer goal and as much as you can't legislate for the worldy they equalised with, I think we could have and should have had them on the rack well before half time

I think that is because he's fostered a mentality such that everyone believes that at '1-0 to the Mariners' it's more or less job done when the evidence yesterday disproves this
Posted by: denni266, December 29, 2014, 12:55pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from MarinerWY


Any club that sacks a manager after the record we currently have, and the league position we hold, deserves everything they get IMO.


And keeping hold of a manager that takes us nowhere  gets you what you deserve ,,,
Posted by: Stevie Saunders, December 29, 2014, 1:01pm; Reply: 7
Disley said on RH that we should have been 3-0 up at half time - felt we should have closed down their wonder goal..but that is the view of a team that has conceded; you can't close down everything and the opposition are entitled to a shot now and then!
Know what he means though - when we go 1-0 up never at any time this season (other than Dartford/Alfreton) do we look like we will rip a team apart (people will say Gateshead but truth is that could have been 12-12!)
Perhaps Hurst is not the man to take us out of this league...I don't know, no-one knows... time will tell; if Fenty and board feel the 'realistic' ambition is play offs then he's doing a decent job and must stay IMO.

Goals, goals, and more goals are what we need and I'm afraid we just don't score enough when we are on top - Lincoln are one of the highest scorers in league and have conceded about as many...but are only 8pts behind us with game in hand. I know what I'd rather watch.

We are perfect for winning a dour, drab game 1-0 away from home.. as we have proved several times

And don't hold your breath - there will not be ANY goal machines in the transfer window... so we go with what we have which will not mean a title challenge but might get us over the line into play offs

Posted by: grimsby pete, December 29, 2014, 1:06pm; Reply: 8
Good points by Jock,

Regarding the sacking of Hurst,

I do not think posters are calling for his head just because we lost to Lincoln,

Most of the moaners and I am sad to say I have become one of them,

Want a change because of the boring football played under Hurst,

Plus every time we get a decent gate at home the team let the fans down every time,

The gate on News Years Day will be half of the Lincoln one and most of the ones that stay away will not come back for a long time,

Hurst is happy with boring 1-0 wins but the fans want a bit more than that.

We are stuck with him until the end of the season imo,

So we just have to live in hope he can get a couple of players in that can change things for the better.
Posted by: RoboCod, December 29, 2014, 1:11pm; Reply: 9
I don't think anyone will hold their breath over the transfer window with Paul Hurst, particularly this year. A NYD game against a team who will be out to avenge the defeat from last week and another dismal dabble, at best, in the loan market followed by a blank Saturday due to a Town cup 'run' that if you blinked you'd have missed.
Still. the John Lewis ad will keep us all chuckling.
Posted by: DocTower, December 29, 2014, 1:19pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Stevie Saunders



We are perfect for winning a dour, drab game 1-0 away from home.. as we have proved several times

And don't hold your breath - there will not be ANY goal machines in the transfer window... so we go with what we have which will not mean a title challenge but might get us over the line into play offs



Leopards don't change their spots , same with the man in charge . Brings someone in , fans  get excited only to see the same old faces doing the same old thing . It's there for all to see what needs addressing , surprised at what Lincoln did to us ? Not really  , we have been papering over the cracks all season  .    If we are bringing in players on loan play them , not even on the bench . Are we starting our usual new year crawl to the end of the season  .  Down hearted , down beat  , dam right  .
Posted by: grimsby pete, December 29, 2014, 1:39pm; Reply: 11
Quoted from DocTower


Leopards don't change their spots , same with the man in charge . Brings someone in , fans  get excited only to see the same old faces doing the same old thing . It's there for all to see what needs addressing , surprised at what Lincoln did to us ? Not really  , we have been papering over the cracks all season  .    If we are bringing in players on loan play them , not even on the bench . Are we starting our usual new year crawl to the end of the season  .  Down hearted , down beat  , dam right  .


The money wasted on bringing players in and not playing them,

Could have been used better by putting it towards signing a goal scorer,

Then Hurst would proberly coach it out of him, so its pointless whatever we want.
Posted by: cmackenzie4, December 29, 2014, 2:24pm; Reply: 12
The thing what puzzles me more than anything is why bring players in and not play them?(confused1)
Posted by: Maringer, December 29, 2014, 2:29pm; Reply: 13
With the cheapo young loannees, I can see they are just there for numbers and for the odd brief appearance as required, but I'm surprised that Watson hasn't had more of a look in.

I expect he's cheap as well but it does seem strange he's not had a few more minutes on the pitch.
Posted by: DocTower, December 29, 2014, 2:37pm; Reply: 14
Quoted from Maringer
With the cheapo young loannees, I can see they are just there for numbers and for the odd brief appearance as required, but I'm surprised that Watson hasn't had more of a look in.

I expect he's cheap as well but it does seem strange he's not had a few more minutes on the pitch.


Or at least on the bench . Hannah , don't know what he's done wrong , on the bench , Brown not fit on the bench , Paddy IMHO game changer on the bench , Bignot  steady eddy not a game changer .
Aswad not fit , Magney not fit  playing . The list goes on , as does the nightmare .
Posted by: Maringer, December 29, 2014, 2:49pm; Reply: 15
Nightmare? A bit melodramatic there!

Bignot is obviously ahead of Walker (the young full-back one) in the pecking order, but it seems very sensible to have him on the bench when Parslow is already playing and can't be there to try and cover a few defensive roles. Our wingers don't look capable of playing full-back so you need a specialist on the bench.

We didn't appear to have too many options on the bench yesterday, but you can't really help it when you have to sub two players before the start of the second half due to illness and injury.
Posted by: Abdul19, December 29, 2014, 2:49pm; Reply: 16
How many 'game changing' reserve right backs are there in the world, never mind the Conference?!
Posted by: moosey_club, December 29, 2014, 3:36pm; Reply: 17
Quoted from Maringer


We didn't appear to have too many options on the bench yesterday, but you can't really help it when you have to sub two players before the start of the second half due to illness and injury.


We didnt apear to have too many options on the bench because we havnt got a decent enough squad, end of. We are weaker in numbers than last season and arguably in quality.
We have three misperforming wingers on the books, Arnold has looked awful in the last few games, Makreth offers nothing over Coulbeck and Neilson flatters to deceive more often than not.
None of the three wide men are commanding a place on form, two of them get in and one will always be sub and in all honesty can anyone say either of them has "owned" their place this season?
Same in the striking positions, two are currently playing so one is guaranteed to be sub, the only time that changes is when we play one up and we will get two on the bench.
Centre midfield, its perm any two from three of Disley, Clay, Brown with the other one on the bench as Paddy doesnt get a look in normally, he only appeared yesterday for 10 mins due to illness and injury forcing the manager to put him on. Currently Disley is the only one playing anything like a sure starter.
And yesterday Bignot finally gets a look in after injury and suspensions finally whittle us down to the manager having to play him, hardly the easiest game to make your first(?) significant appearance of the season having done everything previously to avoid using him.
All the while two loanee/short contract players not even on the bench to aid the attacking line up.
Posted by: DocTower, December 29, 2014, 4:15pm; Reply: 18
Quoted from Maringer
Nightmare? A bit melodramatic there!

Bignot is obviously ahead of Walker (the young full-back one) in the pecking order, but it seems very sensible to have him on the bench when Parslow is already playing and can't be there to try and cover a few defensive roles. Our wingers don't look capable of playing full-back so you need a specialist on the bench.

We didn't appear to have too many options on the bench yesterday, but you can't really help it when you have to sub two players before the start of the second half due to illness and injury.


Yeh , ok then , change nightmare to bad dream .
Think it was at the begining of the season when Hurst wanted a smaller quality squad  , comments then were that it could bite you on the bum .  Options were to dip into the loan market  . With sickness ,  injuries and a drop in form , options are getting a bit thin .
Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 29, 2014, 4:41pm; Reply: 19
Quoted from jock dock tower
Have watched with amazement at the calls for Hurst's head on this forum over the last couple of days

The internet, and fans forums in particular make it easy for people to vent their wrath on players and managers in the heat of the moment


This isn't for the last few days or the "heat of the moment" it's been nearly 3 seasons!

I'm sick and tired of people saying all this is a "knee jerk reaction" after a bad defeat and the fans wanting Hurst to go should look at the bigger picture, Jesus Christ thats what we have been doing for 3 years!!

It's quite clear that Hurst hasn't got what it takes to get a football team out of this league, by the signings he makes, the style of football, his tactical awareness  or his motivational skills. Look at the recent teams to get automatic promotion out the the conference, Luton, Crawley, Fleetwood, all stormed the league with attacking fast paced football and compare that to the utter dross we put up with. Yes we grind out those away1-0 wins but the way Hurst sends out the team particularly at home with this dour, play it safe attitude will get us nowhere and if anyone says how do you know that, I say history has proved this happens to our club all the time Hurst has been here.


Posted by: TonySmith, December 29, 2014, 5:47pm; Reply: 20
I am sick and tired of the predictable "Hurst out " rants on here every time we lose a game. I want to see us back in the football league as much as anyone, but changing the manager now is a laughable idea. If a new guy comes in, will you want another change of manager when he loses a game or two? I do agree that there will be decisions to make at the end of this season if it doesn't end well, but for now, give it a rest!
Posted by: BIGChris, December 29, 2014, 5:57pm; Reply: 21
Quoted from Sussexmariner


It's quite clear that Hurst hasn't got what it takes to get a football team out of this league, by the signings he makes, the style of football, his tactical awareness  or his motivational skills. Look at the recent teams to get automatic promotion out the the conference, Luton, Crawley, Fleetwood, all stormed the league with attacking fast paced football and compare that to the utter dross we put up with. Yes we grind out those away1-0 wins but the way Hurst sends out the team particularly at home with this dour, play it safe attitude will get us nowhere and if anyone says how do you know that, I say history has proved this happens to our club all the time Hurst has been here.




Out of interest how many games do you get to from Sussex?
Posted by: MuddyWaters, December 29, 2014, 6:25pm; Reply: 22
Every season in this league is a season nearer financial meltdown as it's unreasonable to expect Mr Fenty to continue to sustain full time in non league plus it's another season where we would struggle to justify a new stadium. My question remains the same as it has for some time: Does the board believe that Paul Hurst can deliver the promotion that is pretty much essential for the sustainable future of the club?

Our opinion doesn't really matter to be honest!
Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 29, 2014, 6:45pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from BIGChris


Out of interest how many games do you get to from Sussex?


7 at the moment including the bore draws at home against Nuneaton and Dover at the start of the season, the dire 1-1 draw away to dartford and I was there to see them grind a good result against Braintree and I'll be at Blundell park for the Macclesfield game. admittedly I haven't been to the games where we've done really well i.e. Gateshead and Alferton but I consider myself to seen enough of town this season and the season before that and the season before that to pass judgement on this manager who I believe will not get this club to where we should be,  genuine contender to get automatic promotion from this division
Posted by: barralad, December 29, 2014, 6:50pm; Reply: 24
Quoted from moosey_club


We didnt apear to have too many options on the bench because we havnt got a decent enough squad, end of. We are weaker in numbers than last season and arguably in quality.
We have three misperforming wingers on the books, Arnold has looked awful in the last few games, Makreth offers nothing over Coulbeck and Neilson flatters to deceive more often than not.
None of the three wide men are commanding a place on form, two of them get in and one will always be sub and in all honesty can anyone say either of them has "owned" their place this season?
Same in the striking positions, two are currently playing so one is guaranteed to be sub, the only time that changes is when we play one up and we will get two on the bench.
Centre midfield, its perm any two from three of Disley, Clay, Brown with the other one on the bench as Paddy doesnt get a look in normally, he only appeared yesterday for 10 mins due to illness and injury forcing the manager to put him on. Currently Disley is the only one playing anything like a sure starter.
And yesterday Bignot finally gets a look in after injury and suspensions finally whittle us down to the manager having to play him, hardly the easiest game to make your first(?) significant appearance of the season having done everything previously to avoid using him.
All the while two loanee/short contract players not even on the bench to aid the attacking line up.


I have some sympathy with the opening sentences but in my view it is the reality of a fifth season in this league when we haven't got seemingly unlimited resources a la Forest Green, Eastleigh and Bristol Rovers. We are fourth and I think I read somewhere that we have the fourth biggest budget in the league (although I'm open to that view being challenged).
I would strongly dispute that we needed the attack to be beefed up yesterday. We had LJL, Pitman Arnold and (initially) Neilson. I cannot be bothered to look at any Team for Lincoln thread but I suspect most people would've gone with that. Add to that the fact that none of us know what the risks were in playing some of the starting line up due to ongoing injuries/illnesses which would have made Hurst think about who to have on the bench and the decision to leave them out looks at least OK. Seeing as how Hurst was forced into changes leaving him little room for tactical switches I'm glad the cover for Neilson and Magnay was on the bench.
Posted by: barralad, December 29, 2014, 6:57pm; Reply: 25
Quoted from Sussexmariner


This isn't for the last few days or the "heat of the moment" it's been nearly 3 seasons!

I'm sick and tired of people saying all this is a "knee jerk reaction" after a bad defeat and the fans wanting Hurst to go should look at the bigger picture, Jesus Christ thats what we have been doing for 3 years!!

It's quite clear that Hurst hasn't got what it takes to get a football team out of this league, by the signings he makes, the style of football, his tactical awareness  or his motivational skills. Look at the recent teams to get automatic promotion out the the conference, Luton, Crawley, Fleetwood, all stormed the league with attacking fast paced football and compare that to the utter dross we put up with. Yes we grind out those away1-0 wins but the way Hurst sends out the team particularly at home with this dour, play it safe attitude will get us nowhere and if anyone says how do you know that, I say history has proved this happens to our club all the time Hurst has been here.




The thing that links the teams you've mentioned is lots of money. I've seen all the games involving Town against those three teams and I cannot remember any of them playing fast attacking football. Luton and Crawley definitely ground out results here. Luton only really shone when they realised they needed hard men (McNulty?) in with their ball players and it took them as long as it's currently taken us (although that shouldn't be read that I think we are as good as they were from February onwards last season!!)
Posted by: barralad, December 29, 2014, 7:01pm; Reply: 26
Quoted from TonySmith
I am sick and tired of the predictable "Hurst out " rants on here every time we lose a game. I want to see us back in the football league as much as anyone, but changing the manager now is a laughable idea. If a new guy comes in, will you want another change of manager when he loses a game or two? I do agree that there will be decisions to make at the end of this season if it doesn't end well, but for now, give it a rest!


Tony:- As far as some on here are concerned Hurst committed an unforgiveable sin yesterday. He presided over a defeat by "Little" Lincoln. Most of those sounding off were probably in the "Lincoln will be an easy six points again" camp at the beginning of the season. I honestly feel that the flack on here (bordering on hysteria in some cases) is borne out of the embarassment of losing to our local rivals for the second time this season. Sad really!
Posted by: dapperz fun pub, December 29, 2014, 7:07pm; Reply: 27
Quoted from barralad


Tony:- As far as some on here are concerned Hurst committed an unforgiveable sin yesterday. He presided over a defeat by "Little" Lincoln. Most of those sounding off were probably in the "Lincoln will be an easy six points again" camp at the beginning of the season. I honestly feel that the flack on here (bordering on hysteria in some cases) is borne out of the embarassment of losing to our local rivals for the second time this season. Sad really!


really...........i thought the anger directed towards hurst on here was because most of us on here can see we will be playing the gimps next xmas time(wallbash)(wallbash2)
Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 29, 2014, 7:10pm; Reply: 28
Quoted from barralad


The thing that links the teams you've mentioned is lots of money. I've seen all the games involving Town against those three teams and I cannot remember any of them playing fast attacking football. Luton and Crawley definitely ground out results here. Luton only really shone when they realised they needed hard men (McNulty?) in with their ball players and it took them as long as it's currently taken us (although that shouldn't be read that I think we are as good as they were from February onwards last season!!)


How did these teams do against the lesser teams of that division in their respective promotional years?

slightly better than town I'm sure
Posted by: dapperz fun pub, December 29, 2014, 7:25pm; Reply: 29
Quoted from Sussexmariner


How did these teams do against the lesser teams of that division in their respective promotional years?

slightly better than town I'm sure



i think crawley are the best team weve played at this level i know we won away and got a point here but it was obvious why they romped the league and imo we havent got anywhere near that sort of level......and yeh i realise they threw a fortune at it
Posted by: barralad, December 29, 2014, 7:45pm; Reply: 30
Quoted from Sussexmariner


How did these teams do against the lesser teams of that division in their respective promotional years?

slightly better than town I'm sure


Although Town lost the odd game (mainly at home) to "strugglers" Town had pretty good records against the lower teams-particularly in Hearns full season. It was the better teams that we couldn't beat....
Posted by: barralad, December 29, 2014, 7:56pm; Reply: 31
Quoted from dapperz fun pub


really...........i thought the anger directed towards hurst on here was because most of us on here can see we will be playing the gimps next xmas time(wallbash)(wallbash2)


Hardly justifies the abuse he's received for yesterday's performance. Forced to play without the quickest defender we have. (I didn't read too many comments pre-match suggesting playing Doig in there instead of Parslow) Question marks over the fitness of a central midfielder who would've enjoyed that sort of match and then losing two players to injury thus significantly reducing his options for tactical substitutions.
Given the players we have you couldn't have asked for a much more attacking line up than one which includes Pitman, Arnold LJL and Neilson (with Mackreth a reasonably attacking deputiser). Some of the forward play was a joy to watch-particularly in the first half and particularly from Pitman. Yet we've had criticism that we played hopeful hoofs to a lone striker! I believe the terms are WTF and FFS
One of their goals was a "worldie" the other two were defensive errors and were contributed to significantly by the enforced changing of personnel. As I said elsewhere the Lincoln lad knew exactly what he was doing on Magnay....
Sometimes you just have to accept that it ain't your day but, as always on here, the blame culture is a thriving entity and what better scapegoat than the manager...
Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 29, 2014, 8:00pm; Reply: 32
Quoted from barralad


Although Town lost the odd game (mainly at home) to "strugglers" Town had pretty good records against the lower teams-particularly in Hearns full season. It was the better teams that we couldn't beat....


Doesn't this prove my point about the total inconsistency over the seasons of Hurst management?
Posted by: barralad, December 29, 2014, 8:14pm; Reply: 33
Quoted from Sussexmariner


Doesn't this prove my point about the total inconsistency over the seasons of Hurst management?


My reply was to your longish post which didn't appear to mention inconsistency. It mentioned several "attributes" Hurst doesn't have without elaborating much. It's my view that every one of the points you made is at least moot.

Incidentally it is only fair to look at Hurst for the time he has been in sole charge. There is no way of knowing whether he'd have done the same as the pair of them did when they were in charge
Posted by: forza ivano, December 29, 2014, 8:28pm; Reply: 34
Quoted from barralad


Hardly justifies the abuse he's received for yesterday's performance. Forced to play without the quickest defender we have. (I didn't read too many comments pre-match suggesting playing Doig in there instead of Parslow) Question marks over the fitness of a central midfielder who would've enjoyed that sort of match and then losing two players to injury thus significantly reducing his options for tactical substitutions.
Given the players we have you couldn't have asked for a much more attacking line up than one which includes Pitman, Arnold LJL and Neilson (with Mackreth a reasonably attacking deputiser). Some of the forward play was a joy to watch-particularly in the first half and particularly from Pitman. Yet we've had criticism that we played hopeful hoofs to a lone striker! I believe the terms are WTF and FFS
One of their goals was a "worldie" the other two were defensive errors and were contributed to significantly by the enforced changing of personnel. As I said elsewhere the Lincoln lad knew exactly what he was doing on Magnay....
Sometimes you just have to accept that it ain't your day but, as always on here, the blame culture is a thriving entity and what better scapegoat than the manager...


Can't disagree with this.nobody has mentioned how many excellent saves Farman made.one of those games where nothing really broke for us .didnt help having 2 of our main players hobbling and unable to contribute after the first fifteen minutes
Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 29, 2014, 11:19pm; Reply: 35
Quoted from barralad


My reply was to your longish post which didn't appear to mention inconsistency. It mentioned several "attributes" Hurst doesn't have without elaborating much. It's my view that every one of the points you made is at least moot.

Incidentally it is only fair to look at Hurst for the time he has been in sole charge. There is no way of knowing whether he'd have done the same as the pair of them did when they were in charge


I'm tired of people defending Hurst after all the time he's had to build a team to take our football club out of this league. See you all in the play-offs and in the conference next season
Posted by: barralad, December 30, 2014, 8:20am; Reply: 36
Quoted from Sussexmariner


I'm tired of people defending Hurst after all the time he's had to build a team to take our football club out of this league. See you all in the play-offs and in the conference next season


And I'm tired of the same unsubstantiated criticism of a manager who currently has a team in the top four of the league with nearly half the season to play so I guess that makes us quits  :)
Posted by: Paris Mariner, December 30, 2014, 12:07pm; Reply: 37
A thread which was opened in a sane manner so I'll post my reaction here.

Firstly, obviously majorly disappointed to lose v Lincoln in the derby.

Secondly, we weren't as bad as many have portrayed. Their keeper and two centre halves had a blinder and a fair bit of luck. The ball just seemed to stick them. When we scored, we were comfortable then we had 5 minutes of madness. The third goal came on the break when we were very much on top.

The bloke behind me was criticising McKreath all game and I though he was our best player for the second home game running. He's improved a lot and was a constant threat to Lincoln. I thought the ref bottled 3 big decisions - two free kicks around their box where there should have been a free kick and wasn't and a booking that never came. And the third was for a second yellow for the lad they subbed immediately afterwards but we can't blame him.

We were second to most of the second balls which was particularly evident in first 20 as Lincoln settled much better.

If you were a neutral at that game you'd have come away feeling like you'd been to a cracking local derby. Fair play to Lincoln.

People do need a reality check though. We've been in the top 5 for for most of the season and Barnett are well within reach considering we're yet to play them.

I do agree Parslow needs to go back. He's not good enough.

My main two criticisms of Hurst are this: we are terribly uninventive at set plays and his substitutions aren't quick or positive enough. When we went 3-1 down he should have changed it straight away. Attacker on, go for it. This is a regular occurrence.

Sacking him is no good, I think that is 2 in 13/14 we've lost in the league. That's not a sackable offence.

I heard someone on the way out saying Nielsen is off in January. This would be extremely disappointing. In the FA Trophy I'd like to see him play in the hole behind the front two again as against Gateshead and Alfreton earlier in the season as it seemed to work well and is a good opportunity to get him fitter and experiment. If he's able to play.

Up The Mariners
Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 30, 2014, 12:30pm; Reply: 38
Quoted from barralad


And I'm tired of the same unsubstantiated criticism of a manager who currently has a team in the top four of the league with nearly half the season to play so I guess that makes us quits  :)


His job is to get us promoted FFS not finish in the the top four, unlike Arsene Wenger Hurst hasn't got the Champions league to look forward to.

And as a matter of interest how many seasons of failure (can we agree his sole job is to get us out of this league) do you say enough is enough?
Posted by: promotion plaice, December 30, 2014, 12:36pm; Reply: 39
Quoted from Sussexmariner


His job is to get us promoted FFS not finish in the the top four, unlike Arsene Wenger Hurst hasn't got the Champions league to look forward to.

And as a matter of interest how many seasons of failure (can we agree his sole job is to get us out of this league) do you say enough is enough?


This one.
Posted by: forza ivano, December 30, 2014, 12:39pm; Reply: 40
Quoted from Sussexmariner


His job is to get us promoted FFS not finish in the the top four, unlike Arsene Wenger Hurst hasn't got the Champions league to look forward to.

And as a matter of interest how many seasons of failure (can we agree his sole job is to get us out of this league) do you say enough is enough?


I'd day he's got this year to do it, although he might get another crack next season if we were particularly unlucky in the play off final. my worry is after watching town yet again fail to perform on the big stage is that they'll cruise into the play offs and fail again once the pressure is on
Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 30, 2014, 2:16pm; Reply: 41
Quoted from forza ivano


I'd day he's got this year to do it, although he might get another crack next season if we were particularly unlucky in the play off final. my worry is after watching town yet again fail to perform on the big stage is that they'll cruise into the play offs and fail again once the pressure is on


Agree but luck shouldn't come into it, the team best prepared, motivated etc tend to win the play offs

I keep harping on about how history tells us Hurst will get us to the play offs and when the pressure is on, we fail. this season mirrors last season (including the big home games with a big crowd when a good win would really get the fans behind the team and Hurst and kick on for the rest of the season) so there is absolutely no reason not to think the same will happen again
Posted by: Eastendmariner, December 30, 2014, 2:31pm; Reply: 42
I have been watching Town for 42 years spent thousands of my hard earned dosh one thing that really annoys me is not getting the basics right and incompetant management

I don't mind a defeat it's the way we lose  play off potential we are but we need to go that step futher lets hope the players can prove us wrong   Jan and Feb are gooing to be interesting
Posted by: Rick12, December 30, 2014, 2:47pm; Reply: 43
Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56
Had to put up with my son in law at tea last night who attends nearly every Lincoln match. He emphasised the difference their change in Manager has made in the style and approach of their play with the key part being a " Keegan" type approach of we will outscore you. They certainly got men forward in numbers yesterday and whilst leaving themselves vulnerable at the back were pretty good to watch.

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Managers do make a different your right.Think Hurst like Ive mentioned before is a likeable enough guy amongst the group of players though his motivational skills maybe lacking
Posted by: barralad, December 30, 2014, 3:08pm; Reply: 44
Quoted from Rick12
Managers do make a different your right.Think Hurst like Ive mentioned before is a likeable enough guy amongst the group of players though his motivational skills maybe lacking


I keep reading this. Could someone please point out to me the evidence that he is unable to motivate the current squad?
Posted by: headingly_mariner, December 30, 2014, 3:21pm; Reply: 45
I was pretty disappointed on Saturday, thought we were cruising and would get a few before that wonder goal changed the game. We had plenty of chances but they put theirs away at the right time. I like hurst and think he's doing a good job.
Posted by: Marinerz93, December 30, 2014, 4:59pm; Reply: 46
Quoted from barralad


I keep reading this. Could someone please point out to me the evidence that he is unable to motivate the current squad?


Playing at BP, I see very little motivation in the players to bring back the crowds we are capable of pulling.
Posted by: Rick12, December 30, 2014, 5:14pm; Reply: 47
Quoted from barralad


I keep reading this. Could someone please point out to me the evidence that he is unable to motivate the current squad?
Way he comes across in interviews at times doesn't exactly inspire motivation.Having said that I will stand by him in that I think he is reasonable guy and that counts for a lot in football as in life which is why I hope he can prove me and others wrong in getting us promotion
Posted by: grimsby pete, December 30, 2014, 5:17pm; Reply: 48
Quoted from barralad


I keep reading this. Could someone please point out to me the evidence that he is unable to motivate the current squad?


Have you ever seen Hurst rant and rave from the touchline Ian ?

He does not even kick a water bottle  ;)
Posted by: TAGG, December 30, 2014, 5:35pm; Reply: 49
Quoted from jock dock tower
Have watched with amazement at the calls for Hurst's head on this forum over the last couple of days. Earlier in the season I put up a posting about percentages of Town games won etc, and doubted whether they had the ability on either this season's form - or any other season in the Conference - to reach the requisite number of points in order to get into the play offs. I'm so glad that I have been proved wrong with those statistics and Town are in a decent position.

We've played 27 games so far, and we had our notorious slow start to the season and after a third of the games had been played we'd won 3, drawn 3, and lost 3. Barnet on the other hand had won 7, drawn 1, and lost 1. In the remaining games since then we have won 10, drawn 5 and lost 3. If we take off Barnet's extra game played they have won 10, drawn 4 and lost 4. Is anybody calling for their manager's head because of such a shocking run, securing one less point than we have?

The internet, and fans forums in particular make it easy for people to vent their wrath on players and managers in the heat of the moment. Perhaps taking a deep breath and looking at things realistically instead might be a good idea?


"Perhaps taking a deep breath and looking at things realistically instead might be a good idea?"
Having taken your advice I have decided (after going to every game this season) that if there is no reaction from Hurst and his team on NYD I will start picking my games.
Posted by: ackomariner, December 30, 2014, 6:11pm; Reply: 50
Quoted from TAGG


"Perhaps taking a deep breath and looking at things realistically instead might be a good idea?"
Having taken your advice I have decided (after going to every game this season) that if there is no reaction from Hurst and his team on NYD I will start picking my games.


Wish I could but was conned into buying another two season tickets with the hairs on the neck statement
Posted by: Abdul19, December 30, 2014, 6:43pm; Reply: 51
You bought a season ticket based purely on that line?!
Posted by: ackomariner, December 30, 2014, 6:46pm; Reply: 52
Quoted from Abdul19
You bought a season ticket based purely on that line?!


No, I bought two, but that line sealed it....more fool me  :P
Posted by: 120790 (Guest), December 30, 2014, 8:55pm; Reply: 53
Paul Hurst is a super manager doing a splendid job.

Those that are calling for his head, be very careful what you wish for.
It's madness
Posted by: Marinerz93, December 30, 2014, 9:14pm; Reply: 54
Quoted from 120790
Paul Hurst is a super manager doing a splendid job.

Those that are calling for his head, be very careful what you wish for.
It's madness


People wish more for a successful team than a manager being replaced @very-careful-what-you-wish-for-is-a-balderdash-saying.
Posted by: TAGG, December 30, 2014, 10:10pm; Reply: 55
Quoted from ackomariner


Wish I could but was conned into buying another two season tickets with the hairs on the neck statement


Considering I've been going to BP since 1969 (wheelchair) shows I have just had enough.
I think this article show how little Hurst understands what the fans expectations are.
  
Posted by: Rick12, December 30, 2014, 10:20pm; Reply: 56
Quoted from TAGG


Considering I've been going to BP since 1969 (wheelchair) shows I have just had enough.
I think this article show how little Hurst understands what the fans expectations are.
  
Devoted fan.Hope our fortunes improve

Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 31, 2014, 8:19am; Reply: 57
Quoted from 120790
Paul Hurst is a super manager doing a splendid job.

Those that are calling for his head, be very careful what you wish for.
It's madness


I wish for a super manager who will do a splendid job
Posted by: 1mickylyons, December 31, 2014, 8:27am; Reply: 58
People seem easily pleased we are currently 4th in the weakest Conference we have been involved in since we dropped down and were miles behind the leaders playing a brand zero of football suited for winning away and lousy to watch. I for one don't think it`s good enough and 1-3 down to local rivals with 20 mins to play should not be yet another excuse for our Manager to stand with his arms folded  exuding negativity doing nothing.
Posted by: Sussexmariner, December 31, 2014, 8:54am; Reply: 59
Quoted from 1mickylyons
People seem easily pleased we are currently 4th in the weakest Conference we have been involved in since we dropped down and were miles behind the leaders playing a brand zero of football suited for winning away and lousy to watch. I for one don't think it`s good enough and 1-3 down to local rivals with 20 mins to play should not be yet another excuse for our Manager to stand with his arms folded  exuding negativity doing nothing.


Looks like you're in the minority.

Hurst is a super manager and is doing a splendid job

Posted by: 1mickylyons, December 31, 2014, 8:58am; Reply: 60
Quoted from Sussexmariner


Looks like you're in the minority.

Hurst is a super manager and is doing a splendid job



I suppose it depends what his job description is really?

I suspect a minimum requirement of the Play Offs is all that is asked and he is easily on course to achieve that so on that score you would be correct.
I on the other hand want to see us achieve the above playing exciting and attacking football so Epic Fail however I don't hold the horns of power.
Posted by: Lincoln Mariner 56, December 31, 2014, 1:17pm; Reply: 61
I accept that PH will be here, as a minimum, to the end of this season and I can understand that even though I am not his number one fan. Although I have attended the last two home games I, like a number of others, stopped going regularly after the Southport debacle.

The main reason being that during the period PH has been in charge I think I have witnessed some of the worst games in terms of entertainment since I first saw us play in 1965 and that includes what were some very poor seasons in the late sixties when we struggled at the bottom of the fourth.

At the end of the day it is a results industry, whatever we may want in terms of entertainment, and his away record ensures he stays in place but the crowd will not really increase and will stay around the 2500 to 3200 diehard supporters who are the real fans who IMO deserve a little better in respect of the quality football on offer at BP.
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