I never want to see town lose but pray to god we get knocked out by gateshead in this next round and solely concentrate on the league. Its tinpot money and hasn't majority helped us in the past has it? I kind of get this feeling that its hurst vs the fans again, he knows its vital we go up and the fans no its vital we do too and avoid any slip ups like the last time we went on a huge run to the final and messed up the play offs, but yet he is adamant we win the trophy.

I used to think in hursty we trust but right now I haven't got the trust in no-one at gtfc and if we don't go up, I shall revert to watching Cleethorpes Town full-time instead.

Desperate to get something positive on his cv

This tin pot cup is our level now unlike the side we beat at Wembley in 98 who are up at the top of the Championship and playing Liverpool in the league cup tonight.
Just Wondering why the massive  difference between the fortunes of both clubs over that time.

What a can of worms that could bring up . My own view is  , well , bad decisions at the highest level  , or decisions that appeared right at the time but failed miserably .  Or just really bad luck , take your pick .

Bournemouth haven't done it fairly though been in administration at least twice ripped off all their creditors cheated basically

and the burning question is Why didnt we enter Admin ?? It has never been answered

Quoted from OneLove

I never want to see town lose but pray to god we get knocked out by gateshead in this next round and solely concentrate on the league. Its tinpot money and hasn't majority helped us in the past has it? I kind of get this feeling that its hurst vs the fans again, he knows its vital we go up and the fans no its vital we do too and avoid any slip ups like the last time we went on a huge run to the final and messed up the play offs, but yet he is adamant we win the trophy.

I used to think in hursty we trust but right now I haven't got the trust in no-one at gtfc and if we don't go up, I shall revert to watching Cleethorpes Town full-time instead.

Just out of interest who or what does 'One Love' refer to? Cleethorpes Town?

Quoted from fleabag1970

and the burning question is Why didnt we enter Admin ?? It has never been answered

Yeah it was, many times.

Our major shareholder said that the debts we had were to him and the taxman. We would still have to pay the entire tax bill and for him to enter administration would mean that the debt to him would be taken from asset stripping the club, which he wasn't prepared to do. Going into administration would have saved us nothing in real terms, merely lost the clubs assets and him a significant percentage of his investment, which he has stated many times is the much maligned "benign debt" (I think this is correct from my recollection of the statements he has made over the years. Correct me if there are other things I have misinterpreted or are plain wrong...)

If Bournemouth didn't have some Russian investor come in a few years back , it's highly likely they'd be playing in the southern league now instead of playing the scousers tonight .

Quoted from thevera

Just out of interest who or what does 'One Love' refer to? Cleethorpes Town?

Andy?

Just had a look to see how many league teams had entered admin , I counted 35 some of them twice .

Quoted from Biccys

Yeah it was, many times.

Our major shareholder said that the debts we had were to him and the taxman. We would still have to pay the entire tax bill and for him to enter administration would mean that the debt to him would be taken from asset stripping the club, which he wasn't prepared to do. Going into administration would have saved us nothing in real terms, merely lost the clubs assets and him a significant percentage of his investment, which he has stated many times is the much maligned "benign debt" (I think this is correct from my recollection of the statements he has made over the years. Correct me if there are other things I have misinterpreted or are plain wrong...)

I get all that but did the Club benifit in the long run ??  

The way Leicester City went about it always annoys me. Think they owed the best part of 100m. Gary Lineker and co steps in and its all wiped.

Hey ho its xmas and they'll be getting relegated in May anyhow

Quoted from DocTower

Just had a look to see how many league teams had entered admin , I counted 35 some of them twice .

There's a lot more than that.  I produced a list of clubs in the top 5 Divisions at the time who have gone into administration over the years. Very, very surprising the number who have (some 2 or even 3 times).

Charlton Athletic February 1984
Middlesbrough 21 May 1986
Tranmere Rovers 1987
Newport County 1989
Walsall 1990
Northampton Town 1992
Kettering Town 1992
Aldershot 1992
Maidstone 1992
Hartlepool United 1994
Barnet 1994
Exeter City 1994
Gillingham 1995
Doncaster Rovers 1997
Millwall 21 January 1997
Bournemouth 1997
Crystal Palace 1998
Chester City October 1998
Portsmouth 1998
Hull City 7 February 2001
Queens Park Rangers 2 April 2001
Halifax Town 9 April 2002
Bradford City 16 May 2002
Notts County June 2002
Barnsley 3 October 2002
Leicester City 21 October 2002
Port Vale 16 December 2002
York City 18 December 2002
Derby County 20 October 2003
Ipswich Town 10 February 2003
Wimbledon 5 June 2003
Darlington 23 December 2003
Bradford City 27 February 2004
Wrexham 3 December 2004
Cambridge United 29 April 2005
Rotherham United 13 May 2006
Crawley Town 5 June 2006
Boston United 25 April 2007
Leeds United 4 May 2007
Luton Town 22 November 2007
Bournemouth 8 February 2008
Rotherham United 18 March 2008
Halifax Town 26 March 2008
Darlington 25 February 2009
Southampton 2 April 2009
Stockport County 30 April 2009
Chester City 17 May 2009
Northwich Victoria 15 May 2009
Farsley Celtic 30 June 2009
Salisbury City 3 September 2009
Weymouth 28 October 2009
Crystal Palace 26 January 2010
Portsmouth 26 February 2010
Plymouth Argyle 4 March 2011
Rushden and Diamonds 7 July 2011
Darlington 3 January 2012
Portsmouth 17 February 2012
Port Vale 9 March 2012
Coventry City 21 March 2013
Aldershot Town 2 May 2013

That shows how other clubs treat businesses and individuals , using the system to get out of the poo . Majority haven't done too badly have they .

Quoted from DocTower

That shows how other clubs treat businesses and individuals , using the system to get out of the poo . Majority haven't done too badly have they .

On the other hand at least half a dozen have ceased to exist for at least a period in any form, and several others have had to start from scratch in the depths of non-league. Administration is Russian Roulette, there's no guarantee you'll come out of it better off.

Quoted from GrimRob

On the other hand at least half a dozen have ceased to exist for at least a period in any form, and several others have had to start from scratch in the depths of non-league. Administration is Russian Roulette, there's no guarantee you'll come out of it better off.

Still doesn't detract from the matter that  they have used the system to gain some sort of financial advantage . The likes of Farsley Weymouth Maidstone Salisbury aren't what you would call footballing hotbeds , living within your means and playing by the rules doesn't appear to be in the majority of these teams vocabulary .

Quoted from GrimRob

On the other hand at least half a dozen have ceased to exist for at least a period in any form, and several others have had to start from scratch in the depths of non-league. Administration is Russian Roulette, there's no guarantee you'll come out of it better off.

I reckon there are 10 clubs on that list that either no longer exist or have spawned a phoenix club.

Newport, Aldershot, Maidstone, Chester, Halifax, Wimbledon, Darlington, Farsley, Salisbury and R&D.

At the end of the day though it's pretty pointless debating what would have happened had we gone into admin as we'll never know now. We could well have become another Southampton, Leicester or even Bournemouth but then again we could also just as easily have become another Chester, Maidstone or Rushden & Diamonds.

Quoted from Les Brechin

I reckon there are 10 clubs on that list that either no longer exist or have spawned a phoenix club.

Newport, Aldershot, Maidstone, Chester, Halifax, Wimbledon, Darlington, Farsley, Salisbury and R&D.

At the end of the day though it's pretty pointless debating what would have happened had we gone into admin as we'll never know now. We could well have become another Southampton, Leicester or even Bournemouth but then again we could also just as easily have become another Chester, Maidstone or Rushden & Diamonds.

A well balanced view on the whole administration scenario , Les. It's the great unknown and it's easier to quote teams that have done ok out of it and ignore those that have suffered.

one love is a bob marley song! fyi

Quoted from DocTower

Still doesn't detract from the matter that  they have used the system to gain some sort of financial advantage . The likes of Farsley Weymouth Maidstone Salisbury aren't what you would call footballing hotbeds , living within your means and playing by the rules doesn't appear to be in the majority of these teams vocabulary .

If someone offered you the chance to be financially secure but with a 1 in 6 chance that you would cease to exist if you took it, what would you choose?

Quoted from GrimRob

If someone offered you the chance to be financially secure but with a 1 in 6 chance that you would cease to exist if you took it, what would you choose?

Yes , but these chairmen have got into this situation by their own mismanagement and bad decisions usually with other people's money . Easy way out for them and they very rarely loose out .

Quoted from DocTower

Yes , but these chairmen have got into this situation by their own mismanagement and bad decisions usually with other people's money . Easy way out for them and they very rarely loose out .

well our chairman/director didn’t, our problems started with ITV digital collapsing, (not under fenty,s watch) He inherited the debt and then found a solution by cost cutting and making the football club run within means and financing out of his own pocket, the football fortune, lady luck has deserted us in the last 10 years, but i believe we are on the up now. UTM

Quoted from Squarkus

well our chairman/director didn’t, our problems started with ITV digital collapsing, (not under fenty,s watch) He inherited the debt and then found a solution by cost cutting and making the football club run within means and financing out of his own pocket, the football fortune, lady luck has deserted us in the last 10 years, but i believe we are on the up now. UTM

Like I said and you are saying , living within your means . We have been unlucky to a point , but we have been sensible , and we are where we are because of it . We will never know if we had splashed the cash on unaffordable players where we would be now . However I will repeat it hasn't done some clubs too much damage .

We are all fed up of this horrible league , we aren't playing attractive named teams , we aren't watching attractive football  . Hopefully this season , my Christmas wish .

Quoted from DocTower

Like I said and you are saying , living within your means . We have been unlucky to a point , but we have been sensible , and we are where we are because of it . We will never know if we had splashed the cash on unaffordable players where we would be now . However I will repeat it hasn't done some clubs too much damage .

We are all fed up of this horrible league , we aren't playing attractive named teams , we aren't watching attractive football  . Hopefully this season , my Christmas wish .

We did in a way though. £13k a week on a certain Chinese International springs to mind!

Quoted from OneLove

I never want to see town lose but pray to god we get knocked out by gateshead in this next round and solely concentrate on the league. Its tinpot money and hasn't majority helped us in the past has it? I kind of get this feeling that its hurst vs the fans again, he knows its vital we go up and the fans no its vital we do too and avoid any slip ups like the last time we went on a huge run to the final and messed up the play offs, but yet he is adamant we win the trophy.

I used to think in hursty we trust but right now I haven't got the trust in no-one at gtfc and if we don't go up, I shall revert to watching Cleethorpes Town full-time instead.

I have to go with a lot of that. League has to be the priority.Dont mind if we go on a run if we use fringe players and youths to get match time and experience

Quoted from Les Brechin

We did in a way though. £13k a week on a certain Chinese International springs to mind!

Huxford and Co. Les. It seemed easy for them to spend others money.  

Quoted from sonik

Huxford and Co. Les. It seemed easy for them to spend others money.  

Huxford & lennie Lawrence what a pair of wide boys  excuse the pun I always thought there something fishy with there transfer dealings       And I suspect there the reason the club is were it is now

Quoted from Les Brechin

We did in a way though. £13k a week on a certain Chinese International springs to mind!

I didnt think we actually paid him, a business consortium did :(

Quoted from Squarkus

well our chairman/director didn’t, our problems started with ITV digital collapsing, (not under fenty,s watch) He inherited the debt and then found a solution by cost cutting and making the football club run within means and financing out of his own pocket, the football fortune, lady luck has deserted us in the last 10 years, but i believe we are on the up now. UTM

FFS when will people stop flipping going on about ITV money. There where many others in the same position as Town at the time and done ok since, FFS get over it.
" Making the Football club run within it means" oh Ye that's why we have so much debt at the moment.
"Lady luck has deserted us in the last 10 years" balderdash good stewardship and good decision making at vital times has deserted us in the last 10 years.
I have been thinking why Bournmouth are now a million times better of than us the reason is they have had better decision makers at the top.

Quoted from TAGG

FFS when will people stop flipping going on about ITV money. There where many others in the same position as Town at the time and done ok since, FFS get over it.
" Making the Football club run within it means" oh Ye that's why we have so much debt at the moment.
"Lady luck has deserted us in the last 10 years" balderdash good stewardship and good decision making at vital times has deserted us in the last 10 years.
I have been thinking why Bournmouth are now a million times better of than us the reason is they have had better decision makers at the top.

Bournemouth are co-owned by Maxim Demin, a Russian billionaire. May have a bearing on things.

Quoted from ginnywings

Bournemouth are co-owned by Maxim Demin, a Russian billionaire. May have a bearing on things.

It may well have but ive not seen them being headline news spending vast amounts on this player and that player.
It just seems to me good decision making has got them where they are now.

They spent £3m on Callum Wilson in the summer.

That said, they were promoted from League 2 (whilst we were being relegated from it) a year before he bought the club.

Quoted from Squarkus

well our chairman/director didn’t, our problems started with ITV digital collapsing, (not under fenty,s watch) He inherited the debt and then found a solution by cost cutting and making the football club run within means and financing out of his own pocket, the football fortune, lady luck has deserted us in the last 10 years, but i believe we are on the up now. UTM

Are you a certain gentleman in disguise or may I have some of the pills you are taking.

First of all as already commented many other teams were caught up in the ITV Digital collapse but I don't seem them all floundering in non league.

Secondly please explain how we are living within our means yet having to be funded by the chairman, sorry ex chairman.

Your sums just don't add up.

PS Lady luck had nothing to do with the appalling decision to make Neil Woods manager, unless she was on the board at the time.