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Posted by: A.l.f., October 7, 2014, 11:22pm
Speaking from a totally unbiased view and having seen all but 3 of Towns matches this season, if the club were to sack Paul Hurst now, we would have a temporary Manager in charge for a few matches and I don't think we will be in any better shape under Doig/Moore.  Then a new Manager has to get to know his players and try out different things and by then we could be so far off the pace we may have to write the season off.

Tonight I felt for Hurst and the players who did not deserve to be booed at the end.  Personally I agreed with the starting line up given that they would come and defend in numbers and the extra width should have given Town a deserved win.  I called the substitutions, however felt it was 10 to 15 mins too late, but it's so easy to say we should have done this and that after the event.

Lenny was poor tonight and it was one of those nights where the final ball was missing.  It's clear we need a striker and has been the case for ages but I'm sure the club and Hurst are trying and maybe hoped they could pick someone decent up in the January transfer window rather than make a rash choice of someone not good enough before now.

The squad I believe are the best since we fell out of the Football League but as many are saying we don't seem to have a Plan B when it's just not happening.  Let's see what the next 5 matches brings before making a decision the Club may regret.  We are no longer a big fish and have no more right to be up there than any of our opposition.  Teams will continue to come to BP and put men behind the ball and the Management And players need to work on how to break them down and also improve set pieces which again have been really poor this season.
At the present time maybe tough away games are just what we need but we also badly need another striker as even in Pittman gets fit, I think he won't play many games as he's injury prone.

It's easy to be negative and forget the positives and there are many player wise this season.  I don't think we are a million miles away and if we are top 6 at Christmas expect us still to challenge for promotion I hope - but the again Football just isn't that simple is it?
Posted by: DavidB, October 7, 2014, 11:24pm; Reply: 1
Excellent post!
Posted by: mrsd, October 7, 2014, 11:27pm; Reply: 2
Sense at last!
Posted by: nightrider, October 7, 2014, 11:29pm; Reply: 3
Couldn't have put it better myself.
I think he needs 2 strikers though - Arnold needs to be replaced.
Posted by: grimsby pete, October 7, 2014, 11:32pm; Reply: 4
We have been waiting 5 months for one,

How long do we have to wait for 2,  ?
Posted by: timmo, October 7, 2014, 11:38pm; Reply: 5
Quoted from grimsby pete
We have been waiting 5 months for one,

How long do we have to wait for 2,  ?


Maybe their like buses Pete. Wait for 1 then 2 come along at 1... no harm in hope eh mate.

Timmo
UTM
Posted by: promotion plaice, October 7, 2014, 11:43pm; Reply: 6
Quoted from timmo


Maybe their like buses Pete. Wait for 1 then 2 come along at 1... no harm in hope eh mate.

Timmo
UTM



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ooAAYwmjy4
Posted by: TAGG, October 7, 2014, 11:47pm; Reply: 7
Quoted from A.l.f.
Speaking from a totally unbiased view and having seen all but 3 of Towns matches this season, if the club were to sack Paul Hurst now, we would have a temporary Manager in charge for a few matches and I don't think we will be in any better shape under Doig/Moore.  Then a new Manager has to get to know his players and try out different things and by then we could be so far off the pace we may have to write the season off.

Tonight I felt for Hurst and the players who did not deserve to be booed at the end.  Personally I agreed with the starting line up given that they would come and defend in numbers and the extra width should have given Town a deserved win.  I called the substitutions, however felt it was 10 to 15 mins too late, but it's so easy to say we should have done this and that after the event.

Lenny was poor tonight and it was one of those nights where the final ball was missing.  It's clear we need a striker and has been the case for ages but I'm sure the club and Hurst are trying and maybe hoped they could pick someone decent up in the January transfer window rather than make a rash choice of someone not good enough before now.

The squad I believe are the best since we fell out of the Football League but as many are saying we don't seem to have a Plan B when it's just not happening.  Let's see what the next 5 matches brings before making a decision the Club may regret.  We are no longer a big fish and have no more right to be up there than any of our opposition.  Teams will continue to come to BP and put men behind the ball and the Management And players need to work on how to break them down and also improve set pieces which again have been really poor this season.
At the present time maybe tough away games are just what we need but we also badly need another striker as even in Pittman gets fit, I think he won't play many games as he's injury prone.

It's easy to be negative and forget the positives and there are many player wise this season.  I don't think we are a million miles away and if we are top 6 at Christmas expect us still to challenge for promotion I hope - but the again Football just isn't that simple is it?

"Speaking from a totally unbiased view" what are you mean by unbiased??? are you  a Scunthorpe fan?????
A new Manager if hes good only needs to know how to use his player in the best way.
Didnt hear any booing. The way Hurst set the team up was wrong.
"final ball was missing" down to the formation and what Hurst does on the training pitch.
Its very easy to be negative just look at the attendance tonight.
flipping no chance of challenging for anything EVER at any time with Hurst in charge.  
Posted by: mariner2000, October 7, 2014, 11:49pm; Reply: 8
"we may have to write the season off" isn't that currently the case???
Posted by: Nelly GTFC, October 7, 2014, 11:49pm; Reply: 9
Norwich were bottom of League 1 and got thrashed at home to Colchester 1-7, they changed manager very early into that season and got back to back promotions.

Changing the manager does work if you can find one with good tactical knowlege.
Posted by: TAGG, October 7, 2014, 11:55pm; Reply: 10
Quoted from Nelly GTFC
Norwich were bottom of League 1 and got thrashed at home to Colchester 1-7, they changed manager and got back to back promotions.

Changing the manager does work if you can find one with good tactical knowlege.


Spot on.
Im sure we have the players to do well if we have the right manager.
Posted by: Lincoln Mariner 56, October 7, 2014, 11:59pm; Reply: 11
I keep hearing that we have a better squad than last year, indeed the best since we joined the conference, yet we are only just in the top half having played the majority of our games against sides in the bottom ten.

Something does not add up given this scenario as we fight to hold our place in mid table.

of course we had some injuries and suspensions, but so does every club. For me Magnay tremendous signing, Clay is a surprise success and Brown an improvement on Kerr. Otherwise jury still out and lets be honest our new midfield are not weighing in with many goals or showing a great amount of creativity as we dont actually have that many chances to miss. Of course movement and quality of strikers will make a significant difference but still not convinced we do not need a more creative midfield player as well.

Then we have the manager but this appears a support PH thread so no further comment from me.
Posted by: TheRonRaffertyFanClub, October 8, 2014, 12:00am; Reply: 12
Quoted from A.l.f.
Speaking from a totally unbiased view and having seen all but 3 of Towns matches this season, if the club were to sack Paul Hurst now, we would have a temporary Manager in charge for a few matches and I don't think we will be in any better shape under Doig/Moore.  Then a new Manager has to get to know his players and try out different things and by then we could be so far off the pace we may have to write the season off.

Tonight I felt for Hurst and the players who did not deserve to be booed at the end.  Personally I agreed with the starting line up given that they would come and defend in numbers and the extra width should have given Town a deserved win.  I called the substitutions, however felt it was 10 to 15 mins too late, but it's so easy to say we should have done this and that after the event.

Lenny was poor tonight and it was one of those nights where the final ball was missing.  It's clear we need a striker and has been the case for ages but I'm sure the club and Hurst are trying and maybe hoped they could pick someone decent up in the January transfer window rather than make a rash choice of someone not good enough before now.

The squad I believe are the best since we fell out of the Football League but as many are saying we don't seem to have a Plan B when it's just not happening.  Let's see what the next 5 matches brings before making a decision the Club may regret.  We are no longer a big fish and have no more right to be up there than any of our opposition.  Teams will continue to come to BP and put men behind the ball and the Management And players need to work on how to break them down and also improve set pieces which again have been really poor this season.
At the present time maybe tough away games are just what we need but we also badly need another striker as even in Pittman gets fit, I think he won't play many games as he's injury prone.

It's easy to be negative and forget the positives and there are many player wise this season.  I don't think we are a million miles away and if we are top 6 at Christmas expect us still to challenge for promotion I hope - but the again Football just isn't that simple is it?


Very sensible and logical. But what happens after 5 games? What happens after 10 games? If we were talking about results this season to date it is easy to say we are x points off the playoffs with y games to play and we could still have a successful season. But as you say this is a goodish squad yet the points total has been no more impressive than last season.

If we could get a decent striker we might be OK but there again how and who do we get? The time for that was close season, the only options are players who are not good enough to get in their own team. Some might be good enough but are they willing to come here and be bench warmers because that will be their fate if they are not deemed good enough after a couple of games to replace LJL as spearhead.

You may well be right that there is a case to be made for the "devil you know" but I think the main reason for JF to keep Hurst will be that it is already too late for this season. The time for meaningful change could be past. The best a new manager could do is get us to the playoffs and JF may well feel that Hurst could still do that anyway and if he doesn't, that will give good reasons to dismiss him. Plus the later it happens the cheaper it will be. The only other factor that might sway JF to act sooner is sinking attendances like tonight.

But unless we have a disastrous run in the next month or so and slide into the nether regions of this crappy league I reckon we could be stuck with Hurst for quite a while yet.
Posted by: tashee69, October 8, 2014, 12:02am; Reply: 13
Quoted from Nelly GTFC
Norwich were bottom of League 1 and got thrashed at home to Colchester 1-7, they changed manager very early into that season and got back to back promotions.

Changing the manager does work if you can find one with good tactical knowlege.


That was the opening day of the season though. They had a bit more time to play catch up, they were only 3 points behind the leaders when Gunn was sacked.  ;)
Posted by: arryarryarry, October 8, 2014, 12:05am; Reply: 14
Quoted Text
Speaking from a totally unbiased view and having seen all but 3 of Towns matches this season, if the club were to sack Paul Hurst now, we would have a temporary Manager in charge for a few matches and I don't think we will be in any better shape under Doig/Moore.  Then a new Manager has to get to know his players and try out different things and by then we could be so far off the pace we may have to write the season off.



Tonight I felt for Hurst and the players who did not deserve to be booed at the end. Personally I agreed with the starting line up given that they would come and defend in numbers and the extra width should have given Town a deserved win.  I called the substitutions, however felt it was 10 to 15 mins too late, but it's so easy to say we should have done this and that after the event.

Lenny was poor tonight and it was one of those nights where the final ball was missing.  It's clear we need a striker and has been the case for ages but I'm sure the club and Hurst are trying and maybe hoped they could pick someone decent up in the January transfer window rather than make a rash choice of someone not good enough before now.

The squad I believe are the best since we fell out of the Football League but as many are saying we don't seem to have a Plan B when it's just not happening.  Let's see what the next 5 matches brings before making a decision the Club may regret.  We are no longer a big fish and have no more right to be up there than any of our opposition.  Teams will continue to come to BP and put men behind the ball and the Management And players need to work on how to break them down and also improve set pieces which again have been really poor this season.
At the present time maybe tough away games are just what we need but we also badly need another striker as even in Pittman gets fit, I think he won't play many games as he's injury prone.

It's easy to be negative and forget the positives and there are many player wise this season.  I don't think we are a million miles away and if we are top 6 at Christmas expect us still to challenge for promotion I hope - but the again Football just isn't that simple is it?


Can it actually get any worse, the last three games have been against 3 of the poorest side in the league and we have failed to win any of them only scoring one goal and that a penalty.


You agreed with the starting line up? we were playing frigging Altrincham for God's sake who on that performance are one of the poorest sides to visit Blundell Park in many a long season.

Posted by: barralad, October 8, 2014, 12:06am; Reply: 15
Quoted from Nelly GTFC
Norwich were bottom of League 1 and got thrashed at home to Colchester 1-7, they changed manager very early into that season and got back to back promotions.

Changing the manager does work if you can find one with good tactical knowlege.


It was first match of the season.

Posted by: Nelly GTFC, October 8, 2014, 12:08am; Reply: 16
Quoted from Nelly GTFC
Norwich were bottom of League 1 and got thrashed at home to Colchester 1-7, they changed manager very early into that season and got back to back promotions.

Changing the manager does work if you can find one with good tactical knowlege.
Quoted from tashee69
That was the opening day of the season though. They had a bit more time to play catch up, they were only 3 points behind the leaders when Gunn was sacked.  ;)
So the morale of the story is we have no chance of winning the league then, Hurst has totally ****** that already.

Scrape into the playoffs by some shear miracle and screw it up again, sorry I just have no faith in this tactless manager.

Should of got rid of him at the end of last season.
Posted by: tashee69, October 8, 2014, 12:08am; Reply: 17
Quoted from barralad


It was first match of the season.



I just said that  :P
Posted by: Bruce Springsteen, October 8, 2014, 12:31am; Reply: 18
poorest squad at this level since the drop into it....Mackreth and Nsiala almost comical signings
Posted by: Bruce Springsteen, October 8, 2014, 12:37am; Reply: 19
was very surprised to not see Fenty pull the trigger after Saturday's lamentable performance...i guess he was hoodwinked by the table that see's us within striking distance of the p/offs despite being crap


Going nowhere should have been sacked after Torquay game imo
Posted by: maxfox44, October 8, 2014, 10:16am; Reply: 20
I'm not convinced this season's squad is any better than last seasons.  Let's face it, we don't look like a promotion side, we also don't have that little bit of luck needed to scrape past teams either.

On here and elsewhere we can debate, moan and even paper over the cracks.  Isn't it 14 wins out of 45 or something.  The fact that our gate has dropped by about 1,000 recently, tells it's own story.  Perhaps our expectations are too high these days.  But to hear the drivel on the radio last night about how well we played, IT WAS ALTRINCHAM.  I thought it was actually worse than the previous week. Are the players playing for him still?  Will they take public criticism or throw the toys out?  Plenty of times, players were falling out, which is normally attributed to relegation sides, not harmonious promotion pushing sides.

One thing for sure, we are divided now.  
Posted by: Garth, October 8, 2014, 10:53am; Reply: 21
Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56
I keep hearing that we have a better squad than last year, indeed the best since we joined the conference, yet we are only just in the top half having played the majority of our games against sides in the bottom ten.

Something does not add up given this scenario as we fight to hold our place in mid table.

of course we had some injuries and suspensions, but so does every club. For me Magnay tremendous signing, Clay is a surprise success and Brown an improvement on Kerr. Otherwise jury still out and lets be honest our new midfield are not weighing in with many goals or showing a great amount of creativity as we dont actually have that many chances to miss. Of course movement and quality of strikers will make a significant difference but still not convinced we do not need a more creative midfield player as well.

Then we have the manager but this appears a support PH thread so no further comment from me.


Well thought out post that tries to analyse the problem we are facing, common denominator= Manager

Posted by: TownSNAFU5, October 8, 2014, 11:04am; Reply: 22
I thought that we have (had) a better team than season as well.  The lack of fit and/or consistent goalscorers has been a problem during the close-season and since the season started.  The 2 high-scoring games camouflaged the problem.

Not taking our chances and not putting away so called smaller teams has already cost us valuable points. This is a material error by the manager.    
Posted by: rancido, October 8, 2014, 7:49pm; Reply: 23
Quoted from maxfox44
I'm not convinced this season's squad is any better than last seasons.  Let's face it, we don't look like a promotion side, we also don't have that little bit of luck needed to scrape past teams either.

On here and elsewhere we can debate, moan and even paper over the cracks.  Isn't it 14 wins out of 45 or something.  The fact that our gate has dropped by about 1,000 recently, tells it's own story.  Perhaps our expectations are too high these days.  But to hear the drivel on the radio last night about how well we played, IT WAS ALTRINCHAM.  I thought it was actually worse than the previous week. Are the players playing for him still?  Will they take public criticism or throw the toys out?  Plenty of times, players were falling out, which is normally attributed to relegation sides, not harmonious promotion pushing sides.

One thing for sure, we are divided now.  



Well I certainly think that Magnay is a vast improvement on Hatton and he can play at left back as well. Both Brown and Clay are improvements on Kerr. Along with Paddy and Disley we have a good variety of mid-field players and probably the best options we have had since we dropped down to this level.
The comment about Altrincham would have been a fair comment if it wasn't for the fact that they beat Halifax 3-1 at the w/end ( although I must admit after last nights showing I don't know how ! ).
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