Hopefully I haven't earnt the badge of serial moaner, I do try and keep things constructive and avoid knee jerks?  A quarter of the season gone and we are still as hit and miss as we were the same time last year.  In my opinion we have the players to be looking down on the rest of this league, we certainly have the support and despite its relic status we have the stadium.  We are where we are (sorry for the business cliche), again in my opinion, because we don't have the right person at the helm to get the consistent performance out of a very good set of parts.

I don't bankroll the club any more than Joe average supporter, I have no real concept of how to run a successful football club and I certainly don't have the funds to support yet another managerial failures sacking.  You do John but my question is this, have you got the appetite?

I'm not going to spit the dummy and declare that I'll never set foot in BP again, I won't hurl abuse at Mr Hurst, all I'm going to do is carry on supporting my club in spite of my feelings that we can do better, much better.  I live in hope that the person with the financial resource to recruit the right person to deliver the success that his investment and commitment deserves, can do exactly that.

John, we're better than this.

UTM

Agree, time to trade in the flash car for a flash manager John.

amen!

Quoted from GorgeousGeorge

Hopefully I haven't earnt the badge of serial moaner, I do try and keep things constructive and avoid knee jerks?  A quarter of the season gone and we are still as hit and miss as we were the same time last year.  In my opinion we have the players to be looking down on the rest of this league, we certainly have the support and despite its relic status we have the stadium.  We are where we are (sorry for the business cliche), again in my opinion, because we don't have the right person at the helm to get the consistent performance out of a very good set of parts.

I don't bankroll the club any more than Joe average supporter, I have no real concept of how to run a successful football club and I certainly don't have the funds to support yet another managerial failures sacking.  You do John but my question is this, have you got the appetite?

I'm not going to spit the dummy and declare that I'll never set foot in BP again, I won't hurl abuse at Mr Hurst, all I'm going to do is carry on supporting my club in spite of my feelings that we can do better, much better.  I live in hope that the person with the financial resource to recruit the right person to deliver the success that his investment and commitment deserves, can do exactly that.

John, we're better than this.

UTM

excellent post..

Well put and at the end of the day we all want success.

John has got to show his intent and im afraid its time for him to do something about our very inconsistant season.

I love my club and I will always support them,

I will be at Dartford cheering them on,

BUT

Have we the right man to take us out of this league,

Well the results tell me we are a good team but not a promotion team,

What do you want Mr Fenty, a conference team or a league team.

Surely the trust is the voice of the fans and has a say on matters about the football club and that the overwhelming majority all believe that a change of manager is for the best?

Quoted from 1739

Surely the trust is the voice of the fans and has a say on matters about the football club and that the overwhelming majority all believe that a change of manager is for the best?

Really?.......

See you've got the Red Cross brigade after you Johnny  ;D

Hurst talked about the play-offs as an aim. I am sorry but when we have a better budget than 4 of the 5 teams in the top 5 and we are aiming for the play-offs then there is something up. Maybe my ambitions are being set to high of hoping for the football league and we should be happy with conference football and the occasional cup run.

Quoted from barralad

Really?.......

Surely there are no positives from tonight? So many games last season, 4 already this, same tactics from moderate opposition to stifle and rob.

Quoted from barralad

Really?.......

'Its early days' 'Our luck hasn't been with us' 'Injuries haven't helped'

Quoted from MuddyWaters

Surely there are no positives from tonight? So many games last season, 4 already this, same tactics from moderate opposition to stifle and rob.

My comment related solely to the assertion that the vast majority of fans want a managerial change. There is absolutely no evidence to support that statement...

Quoted from barralad

My comment related solely to the assertion that the vast majority of fans want a managerial change. There is absolutely no evidence to support that statement...

this

Quoted from barralad

Really?.......

Having followed Town for 40 years + I would say yes.

It may not be the vast opinion of those that still go (however even that is rapidly changing).  It's about the 30 or so of us that used to go (even until fairly recently) that is now down to about 10.  It is about those that now prefer jeff stelling to BP and will be hard to win back.  Paul Hurst has contributed to that with his negative style of football and lack of promotion.  The likes of you and I Barra may be hard to deter.  But where it not for taking my 14 year old son, I do believe that Sky Sports and a few beers may well be the better option than GTFC under Paul Hurst/John Fenty.  Harsh maybe, but pretty much true.

Quoted from barralad

My comment related solely to the assertion that the vast majority of fans want a managerial change. There is absolutely no evidence to support that statement...

I know a lot of Town fans and the majority want a change of manager. I'd say about 80% of those i've talked to. Surely that must be a fair representation across the board, or i just know a lot of miserable sods.  ;)

Quoted from barralad

My comment related solely to the assertion that the vast majority of fans want a managerial change. There is absolutely no evidence to support that statement...

Based on a long history of reading and enjoying your posts I guess I've built up a fairly healthy respect for your opinion.  Hopefully you'll understand I wasn't trying a trade union (esque) rallying call for action.  I was merely expressing my thoughts and frustrations and hopefully not being abrasive to those with differing opinions.

Quoted from barralad

Really?.......

Yes..

Have to agree with Ginny in that where I sit in the Upper Findus PH has little or no support. I have a season ticket but will not going back to BP for quite some time as the majority of performances unde PH are so sterile, lack creativity and offer little or no entertainment value.

Used to love night games at BP now they have no atmosphere, performances are generally poor and we lose more than we win. Will help me lad do his homework next week.

Quoted from 1739

Surely the trust is the voice of the fans and has a say on matters about the football club and that the overwhelming majority all believe that a change of manager is for the best?

"voice of the fans" ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

'The majority of Town fans'? - a very bold claim!

Evidence please (from a robust sample size and objective research)?!

(Just as no doubt the Daily Mail would claim that the majority of people in Britain want x, y and z based on the more vocal subset of their readership (and the views of the proprietor))

Quoted from GorgeousGeorge

Hopefully I haven't earnt the badge of serial moaner, I do try and keep things constructive and avoid knee jerks?  A quarter of the season gone and we are still as hit and miss as we were the same time last year.

Considering we reached the playoffs last season, doesn't that kind of not support your argument though ?

Quoted from GorgeousGeorge

In my opinion we have the players to be looking down on the rest of this league

That's a bold statement !
Even after tonight ?!

I'm of the opinion we'd be better off getting a pacy left winger (and maybe a QUALITY striker) than paying off Hurst expecting the next superman to turn us into Man City.
Especially with Thomas, Pittman and Arnold still to return.

Quoted from 1739

'Its early days' 'Our luck hasn't been with us' 'Injuries haven't helped'

Generally true !

Quoted from ackomariner

See you've got the Red Cross brigade after you Johnny  ;D

Try being in my shoes...

Quoted from GorgeousGeorge

Based on a long history of reading and enjoying your posts I guess I've built up a fairly healthy respect for your opinion.  Hopefully you'll understand I wasn't trying a trade union (esque) rallying call for action.  I was merely expressing my thoughts and frustrations and hopefully not being abrasive to those with differing opinions.

Wow thanks!!!!

Quoted from jonnyboy82

Yes..

Well I'm prepared to wait until you've got your "That Hurst, he's not a bad manager you know" head on..mind you you could just cut and paste your last grovelling apology. In the meantime please provide some evidence....

Quoted from barralad

My comment related solely to the assertion that the vast majority of fans want a managerial change. There is absolutely no evidence to support that statement...

Will the Trust be canvassing members to gauge support or lack of for Paul Hurst in order to represent their views then?

Quoted from Civvy at last

Having followed Town for 40 years + I would say yes.

It may not be the vast opinion of those that still go (however even that is rapidly changing).  It's about the 30 or so of us that used to go (even until fairly recently) that is now down to about 10.  It is about those that now prefer jeff stelling to BP and will be hard to win back.  Paul Hurst has contributed to that with his negative style of football and lack of promotion.  The likes of you and I Barra may be hard to deter.  But where it not for taking my 14 year old son, I do believe that Sky Sports and a few beers may well be the better option than GTFC under Paul Hurst/John Fenty.  Harsh maybe, but pretty much true.

Absolutely on the money for me.

Results like last night used to make me livid, now I'm just utterly apathetic.

The worst part is that it's so predictable.  Last nights result wasn't a shock.  Almost as predictable as Hurst leaving changes too late in the game and when he does bring subs on merely going like for like - a central midfielder for a central midfielder and a striker for a striker, no real attempt to change things around.

I've followed Town all over the country and I'm now one of the people who prefers a few beers &  Soccer Saturday with my mates rather than BP.  There's half a dozen of us now who would/should be at BP but have had their love for the club sucked away by Fenty & Hurst.

Quoted from barralad

Well I'm prepared to wait until you've got your "That Hurst, he's not a bad manager you know" head on..mind you you could just cut and paste your last grovelling apology. In the meantime please provide some evidence....

I must admit i was badly sucked in after gateshead and alfreton but i was wrong and many on here will vouch i have always been the same with my views that hurst wont take us up..

I was lead down the path while optomistic and gave him another chance but i was wrong and he wont suck me in again with his false hope..

Its people like you i feel sorry for who for some insane reason still believe he is the right man, as for a grovelling apology you got more chance of paul dropping lenny !

Quoted from DavidB

'The majority of Town fans'? - a very bold claim!

Evidence please (from a robust sample size and objective research)?!

(Just as no doubt the Daily Mail would claim that the majority of people in Britain want x, y and z based on the more vocal subset of their readership (and the views of the proprietor))

The club/trust aren't going to poll fans on their support (or not) for Hurst so you can only use unofficial polls on here etc as at least an induction of support for Hurst.

The last poll at the beginning of September had over 1000 votes with 70%+ in favour of change, yet it was derided by the rose tinted brigade as not being representative - one thing is for sure, there's a big split amongst the fans and a large number who want change.

There's no doubt the majority of vocal fans want him out , and those who aren't vocal can't be bothered to voice their opinions anymore and can't be bothered to go anymore .

Quoted from Quagmire

The club/trust aren't going to poll fans on their support (or not) for Hurst so you can only use unofficial polls on here etc as at least an induction of support for Hurst.

The last poll at the beginning of September had over 1000 votes with 70%+ in favour of change, yet it was derided by the rose tinted brigade as not being representative - one thing is for sure, there's a big split amongst the fans and a large number who want change.

I would deride a poll on the Fishy, it is a survey of particularly interested fans populating one corner of the internet, and also can people vote twice in it?  I don't know about the last point, am genuinely asking.

I didn't vote in any poll as I am completely on the fence.  Not sure either way but certainly agree there is a split amongst the fans on Hurst.  The one thing I hope is not to read any posts wanting us to lose so he will go.  I hope all on here and at the games will hope that Hurst proves us wrong and not want him out so badly they start opposing the team.  

Quoted from ginnywings

I know a lot of Town fans and the majority want a change of manager. I'd say about 80% of those i've talked to. Surely that must be a fair representation across the board, or i just know a lot of miserable sods.  ;)

I could have wrote that myself , as it is much the same with the fans i know . Why wouldnt the opinions of the fans using this forum not be a reflection of general opinion?
Civvy at last makes an excellent point regarding those that have given up attending.

Surely the voice of the trust, is in reality the voice of the trust members?

Quoted from Caesar

I would deride a poll on the Fishy, it is a survey of particularly interested fans populating one corner of the internet, and also can people vote twice in it? I don't know about the last point, am genuinely asking.

I didn't vote in any poll as I am completely on the fence.  Not sure either way but certainly agree there is a split amongst the fans on Hurst.  The one thing I hope is not to read any posts wanting us to lose so he will go.  I hope all on here and at the games will hope that Hurst proves us wrong and not want him out so badly they start opposing the team.  

Yes if you clear your cookies after each vote you can vote as many times as you like, This was pointed out when the yes vote jumped by over 200 in one night but the fishy itself only had a hand full of users logged in.
If you polled the fans after last nights game you would get a big yes vote but would you have got the same result a week ago, not a chance.

Quoted from WOZOFGRIMSBY

Surely the voice of the trust, is in reality the voice of the trust members?

How can they represent Trust members if they are unwilling to ask for Trust members' opinions?

Quoted from Quagmire

How can they represent Trust members if they are unwilling to ask for Trust members' opinions?

I was going to say, I am a member of the Trust,

Nobody has asked me for my opinion yet,

Quoted from Quagmire

How can they represent Trust members if they are unwilling to ask for Trust members' opinions?

I said when they was first appointed that they was just Anoraks in cheap suits , They  have done intercourse all for the fans other than talk about bringing flasks in the ground.
Like someone said most the fans in the supporters club and trust ect are the rose tinted specs mob , most of the other have just stopped going  :-/

Quoted from grimps

I said when they was first appointed that they was just Anoraks in cheap suits , They  have done intercourse all for the fans other than talk about bringing flasks in the ground.
Like someone said most the fans in the supporters club and trust ect are the rose tinted specs mob , most of the other have just stopped going  :-/

Even if they did ask Trust members for their views so they could represent those views when the back or sack Hurst board meeting comes up - which it will - it doesn't really matter.  Ultimately what JF wants, JF will get.

Quoted from Quagmire

Even if they did ask Trust members for their views so they could represent those views when the back or sack Hurst board meeting comes up - which it will - it doesn't really matter.  Ultimately what JF wants, JF will get.

Well what he won't get is promotion, growing gate receipts or justification for a new stadium with that shower of shite from last night. What he will get is further criticism from those of us who are fed up with the tide going further out. In fact, if it goes much further out, the North Sea will become a desert.

I understand many of the above comments and share many of the frustrations expressed.

However, the performance last Sat was very good.  This does not gel with many of the above comments.  Newcastle for instance have had a long run of poor results and the manager is still in post.

Our home form is very poor.  What does not help are recent headlines in the Telegraph:

"Grimsby Town chiefs aim to make Blundell Park a fortress

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By Grimsby Telegraph  |  Posted: September 29, 2014"

Similar to the last few seasons, these headlines are always about what the team and club are going to do, not what they have done.  It just tempts fate.  

What is really frustrating about Mr Hurst is statements like he made in the post match interview.  He stated that GTFC are "still in with a chance of the playoffs"  Well excuse me, the team in position 1 are only 10 points ahead of us, his ambition would be to replace them as 10 points is easily within reach IF he stops messing with the team

My first game of the season last night but watched what was a re-run of many games last season. From what I've read, only twice have we really performed at home this seaso, with Welling being an adequate.  2 good home performances out of 7 is just not good enough

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Even if they did ask Trust members for their views so they could represent those views when the back or sack Hurst board meeting comes up - which it will - it doesn't really matter.  Ultimately what JF wants, JF will get.


Yes but if the Trust representatives vote Hurst out, that will mean 2 for and 2 against.
Oh hang on, who has the casting vote?

It doesn't bother me whether there is a majority for PH to go. I can only speak for myself and my view of the club. I keep plugging this but if you don't aim for the top you will never even reach the middle. So when people say PH is "sensible" and "it's down to the players" I just cannot reconcile those opinions with a promotion hunting team.

Good managers not only spot good players but they build teams where the whole is better than the sum of the parts. Largely this is why people like Steve Burr have a good reputation and why teams like Kidderminster have done better than their budget says they should. Our club is now amongst the under-achievers despite having a decent budget since we came into this crappy league. We have had a succession of managers unable to create a team to match the ambitions of the fans. Now it seems that there are fans whose ambitions match the team's.

I like to think I'm a logical person but logic and football don't always go together. If they did, Wimbledon would never have won the Cup. Logically the 1972 team would never have won promotion with a veteran striker and a tiny Old Footballer but that side had McMenemy. Logic didn't matter. Hurst is logical, reasonable, sensible, careful and he would always ultimately fail to get us promotion because he does not think outside the box and he does not inspire people to achieve beyond what they can see in front of them. He is a chairman's dream ........ until the penny drops.

Quoted from grimps

I said when they was first appointed that they was just Anoraks in cheap suits , They  have done intercourse all for the fans other than talk about bringing flasks in the ground.
Like someone said most the fans in the supporters club and trust ect are the rose tinted specs mob , most of the other have just stopped going  :-/

Maybe the majority of supporters are of a rose hue and a small group of highly vocal dissenters are actually a small minority? So the trust is no more than a true reflection of the overall composition of the broader fan base.

Quoted from Lincoln Mariner 56

Have to agree with Ginny in that where I sit in the Upper Findus PH has little or no support. I have a season ticket but will not going back to BP for quite some time as the majority of performances unde PH are so sterile, lack creativity and offer little or no entertainment value.

Used to love night games at BP now they have no atmosphere, performances are generally poor and we lose more than we win. Will help me lad do his homework next week.

Sums it up for me too mate. I was thinking on the way home last night about how boring a matchday experience at BP has become these days. Nothing there for me at the minute, sad state of affairs...

Quoted from TheRonRaffertyFanClub

It doesn't bother me whether there is a majority for PH to go. I can only speak for myself and my view of the club. I keep plugging this but if you don't aim for the top you will never even reach the middle. So when people say PH is "sensible" and "it's down to the players" I just cannot reconcile those opinions with a promotion hunting team.

Good managers not only spot good players but they build teams where the whole is better than the sum of the parts. Largely this is why people like Steve Burr have a good reputation and why teams like Kidderminster have done better than their budget says they should. Our club is now amongst the under-achievers despite having a decent budget since we came into this crappy league. We have had a succession of managers unable to create a team to match the ambitions of the fans. Now it seems that there are fans whose ambitions match the team's.

I like to think I'm a logical person but logic and football don't always go together. If they did, Wimbledon would never have won the Cup. Logically the 1972 team would never have won promotion with a veteran striker and a tiny Old Footballer but that side had McMenemy. Logic didn't matter. Hurst is logical, reasonable, sensible, careful and he would always ultimately fail to get us promotion because he does not think outside the box and he does not inspire people to achieve beyond what they can see in front of them. He is a chairman's dream ........ until the penny drops.

I do agree.

Quoted from Quagmire

Will the Trust be canvassing members to gauge support or lack of for Paul Hurst in order to represent their views then?

NO....unless Fenty tells them to of course  ;)