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Well I have to say this, the feed back that Grimsby Town get to any decent area in Grimsby or Cleethorpes that they focus on for building a new football ground, it gets hammered straight away.

I just wonder and it might be worth asking a few of these clubs who have been through the experiance but have achieved their goal and got a new stadiumn built is ask them how they did it, because I cannot see it happening in my lifetime in Grimsby.

What is the problem in this area, do we not want to progress for the future of G.T.F.C. I am sure that the club will share the new stadiumn with a local Council involvment in other words so it is not just a football ground, maybe other local sports sharing the facilities.

I know it is old hat but I do not want to see my club fall away into just a memory of what Grimsby Town use to be. We must find a solution to the problems we have in finding the space required for the new ground.

My home club Manchester City got rid off Maine Road and have built a new stadiumn and sharing it with the local council, well come on lets get our heads together or else I fear the worst long time

NEWFOOTBALLER

Peaks Parkway Dave. Everywhere else has been done to death. UTM!

Peaks parkway, or maybe on a filled in fish dock 3

Great Coates!!!

In all seriousness, as long as it gets built, I don't care

P.s. new footballer, got speaking to an ex Lincoln player during the week, spoke very highly of you! Goes by the name of andy kutts. Tried googling the name but no luck. Was he real or just a tad merry? Scottish bloke......

Peaks Parkway! fenty has said the fish docks is definatley a no no unless we are backed by a billionaire basically.For one filling in the dock will cost just as much as the work to be done above ground and he also said the land is owned by several different people trying to buy the land would take a lifetime.Just hope a petition of some sort can be done in favour of the new ground at the parkway and show that the majority do want a new stadium for this town.

Immingham, Knock down Bluestone Lane, Keep the Pub and I can walk from my parents....a winner in my eyes 8)

When we get a forward looking council so no chance there then. :-/

If NELC have their way probably in Tamworth

Quoted from Green27

If NELC have their way probably in Tamworth

Works for me ;)

There must be somwhere we can build a bloody stadium, christ we have enough fields around us and a few shitholes than can be knocked down.

I say knock down Freshney Place, we need a newer shiny Shopping Centre, build a new Ground and shoping Centre and Town can hire out retail units....God this building planning lark is easy :P

Well the town is bringing with infrastructure it is a beacon of architecture and prosperity why in gods name do we need anything else. I can't move in this town for all the new building projects and developments.

With a load of nimbys and a council that's not overly enthusiastic, it would probably be easier for the club to build houses and earn cash from that than to try and build a new stadium.

I think Moosey has come up with a great suggestion in Waltham Airfield - there is hundreds of acres of totally unused land there that has just sat derelict for decades, enough for a ground and retail units/ hotel, or whatever is needed to make a new ground feasible, not the perfect place road access wise, but then again neither is Peakes Parkway.

Quoted from petethemariner

I think Moosey has come up with a great suggestion in Waltham Airfield - there is hundreds of acres of totally unused land there that has just sat derelict for decades, enough for a ground and retail units/ hotel, or whatever is needed to make a new ground feasible, not the perfect place road access wise, but then again neither is Peakes Parkway.

Waltham residents and local villages will love that. I am sure Peaks Parkway residents would still moan with the traffic.

Laceby way on could be ok as routes to the A46 and A180 are accessible too

Here's my suggestions:

Back of Scaffa Baths
The site that was RAF Binbrook
Where Tesco is - knock that down first though
Sydney Park
Next to the Boating Lake
Where Wonderland used to be
Humberston Avenue
King George Stadium site

The car storage area next to A160 (?) I remember when that was disused railway sidings with abandoned rail trucks.....jeez I feel old

low farm roundabout peakes parkway. great road access , miles from anything, nothing for the moaners to moan about unless your a member of the save our roundabouts society!

Quoted from cod.gtfc

Macauley Tip

Cost of land remediation would more than likely make this unaffordable.

Peakes Parkway or the old Birds Eye site! 8)
UTMM

The docks would be ideal although i think the railway crossing would cause a few problems with the flow of traffic onto the docks, But would be an ideal location all the same.

Quoted from Marinerz93

Cost of land remediation would more than likely make this unaffordable.

there should be EU subsidies to sort that but I doubt there is

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

there should be EU subsidies to sort that but I doubt there is

Good point, maybe not the EU but it could be something that could be looked into. English nature or other conservation project groups working with the club could make it financially viable.

somewhere near Novartis, straight off the a180, easy to get to

if we had a council worth it's salt it would have been built by now.

EU GRANT FOOTBALL GRANT THE LOT !! and it would be in the old Grimsby docks surroundewd by ammenities etc etc etc ........ in the shadow of the iconic Dock tower..

apart from that zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

How about a underground stadium ?

No complaints because of noise by the nimby's

This place could be at Chapmans Pond,

After they have drained it of course/ ;D

Someone remind me why bp cant be redeveloped

Quoted from shotandcursed

Someone remind me why bp cant be redeveloped

Parking is the main issue, followed by traffic and train station.

Quoted from shotandcursed

Someone remind me why bp cant be redeveloped

We need conference falcilities and parking plus other ways of making money on a daily basis,

Why this can not be done at the park is a mystery to me, apart from the parking,

What about the land the other side of the railway line. ?

Quoted from grimsby pete

This place could be at Chapmans Pond,

After they have drained it of course/ ;D

Good luck with that, don't you know it's bottomless ;D

Quoted from pizzzza

Good luck with that, don't you know it's bottomless ;D

So they say.

But

Its not, they just have not found it yet ;D

It will be nice and warm down there though.

Quoted from marinerian

Waltham residents and local villages will love that. I am sure Peaks Parkway residents would still moan with the traffic.

Laceby way on could be ok as routes to the A46 and A180 are accessible too

There actually isn't too much in the way of housing at the airfield site vicinity - think you will find that it mainly looks out on fields, the nearest houses would probably be at the end of cheapside, but that would be a decent distance away, particularly if the ground was situated in the centre of that very large area.
However i agree that no matter where you build the ground, someone will whinge.

Somewhere closer to my house, preferably.

Quoted from marinerian

Immingham, Knock down Bluestone Lane, Keep the Pub and I can walk from my parents....a winner in my eyes 8)

Over my dead body ! Your not knocking my house down , that's a committment too far. And the Bluestone pub is crap. ;D

I think it should be at the side of the A180 as you come into Town. There's a big field owned by the Council I think. Well, it says 'Development Opportunities' then gives the Council's main switchboard number. It's been up for grabs for years from what I can see.

But if not, I say Peaks Parkway.

Can anybody tell me is there a petition at Blundell Park if not i think it would be a great idea to put a petition in each stand which should be very clear upon entry we would get loads that way signing up I would imagine even away fans could sign it I'm sure they would like us to have a new ground.

The petition should state name, age, location / address and club

We seem to have had a succession of backward thinking councils for as long as I can remember. It doesn't seem to matter what political persuasion they are they all seem to morph into the same backward thinking monster. As JF said , a docks site is out of the question because of the exhorbitant cost of filling in the Fish Dock. Freeman street would be a nightmare because the land is owned by various individual entities. Anywhere north of the A180 , on the Humber Bank strip , would be a non-starter because that land is reserved for industrial use only. The Parkway seems a good option but who knows what will happen after the viability study is completed. Wherever it is ,the plans should be cast in stone so that if we have a change of council the long term plan remains the same. If the council are so hell bent on flattening Scartho Baths then why not that site ?

Quoted from chaos33

Here's my suggestions:

Back of Scaffa Baths
The site that was RAF Binbrook
Where Tesco is - knock that down first though
Sydney Park
Next to the Boating Lake
Where Wonderland used to be
Humberston Avenue
King George Stadium site

:P :P :P :P myself I would go for Wonderland site just the job for away fans not many away fans would relish a night match on cleethorpes seafront but scaffa bath site seems good also.utmm

Transport links are poor around Scartho baths Rancido. Can't see that one. That said, Peaks Parkway has been shite since this new speed limit was brought in.

Quoted from cleefish

:P :P :P :P myself I would go for Wonderland site just the job for away fans not many away fans would relish a night match on cleethorpes seafront.

Not many home fans would either!

Personally, I think that, given the large number of exiles who travel to home matches, a site near the A180 makes most sense - somewhere round Great Coates perhaps? ;)

Quoted from 75

Transport links are poor around Scartho baths Rancido. Can't see that one. That said, Peaks Parkway has been shite since this new speed limit was brought in.

Maybe , but there are more bus routes going past the baths than there are going down the parkway.

Quoted from rancido

We seem to have had a succession of backward thinking councils for as long as I can remember. It doesn't seem to matter what political persuasion they are they all seem to morph into the same backward thinking monster. As JF said , a docks site is out of the question because of the exhorbitant cost of filling in the Fish Dock. Freeman street would be a nightmare because the land is owned by various individual entities. Anywhere north of the A180 , on the Humber Bank strip , would be a non-starter because that land is reserved for industrial use only. The Parkway seems a good option but who knows what will happen after the viability study is completed. Wherever it is ,the plans should be cast in stone so that if we have a change of council the long term plan remains the same. If the council are so hell bent on flattening Scartho Baths then why not that site ?

Yeah I saw that on look north (yet again no grimsby on sport just hull and scunny) but residents want to keep it but the councillors don't want to listen because they have there own ideas and plans and there is no one who can stop them. I hate politians etc why can't things be decided by the public. They are adamant in building a new centre somewhere else yet we have grimsby leisure and cleethorpes leisure are these not good enough? Do we need 3 swimming pools ? Can't schools be used that have swimming pools, anyway I think a petition at the ground for home and away fans will increase the vote for a new ground think about all the different away fans that may sign it. Having said that these councillors will do what they please.

Quoted from petethemariner

I think Moosey has come up with a great suggestion in Waltham Airfield - there is hundreds of acres of totally unused land there that has just sat derelict for decades, enough for a ground and retail units/ hotel, or whatever is needed to make a new ground feasible, not the perfect place road access wise, but then again neither is Peakes Parkway.

Been saying this for years, its on the A16 corridor, opens the door to more of lincolnshire to come take a look, no real housing in close vacinity, especially if you construct nearer the a16 side, existing cheapside facility could be retained for use and its a brownfield site so less red tape to overcome.

Macauley Tip is a great call. It looks like great coates is a no goer and Peaks parkway as so many problems, The Docks are inaccessible for security issues.

Macauley Tip is right off the a180 ideal fast getaway. Fast food outlets and a prem inn on the door step it is not going to interfere with the town centre. Would liven up a run down area. I am sure the nearby rail could be adapted via a bus route.

The old tip is not ideal for building houses (known issues with building on old rubbish tips) but would be ideal for a sports stadium and a icon for Grimsby.

Imagine driving in off the M180/A180 and seeing the floodlights all lit up amazing sight.

WHAT THE HELL ARE WE WAITING FOR? :) :)

The old 9 hole at Humberston. The NIMBYS have stopped houses being built there so its got to be used for something (crazy)

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

Macauley Tip is a great call. It looks like great coates is a no goer and Peaks parkway as so many problems, The Docks are inaccessible for security issues.

Macauley Tip is right off the a180 ideal fast getaway. Fast food outlets and a prem inn on the door step it is not going to interfere with the town centre. Would liven up a run down area. I am sure the nearby rail could be adapted via a bus route.

The old tip is not ideal for building houses (known issues with building on old rubbish tips) but would be ideal for a sports stadium and a icon for Grimsby.

Imagine driving in off the M180/A180 and seeing the floodlights all lit up amazing sight.

WHAT THE HELL ARE WE WAITING FOR? :) :)

I can see the headlines now, the first time we lose at home,

Grimsby play rubbish on tip !!!!!!!!

Macauley Tip has to be up there but let me through a googly into the mix and "Ladysmith Road" a large area of occupied land that could be made available.......

Quoted from agrimevertonian

Macauley Tip has to be up there but let me through a googly into the mix and "Ladysmith Road" a large area of occupied land that could be made available.......

Awful traffic, not enough room for a stadium and supporting retail businesses and surrounded by NIMBYs

Quoted from marinerian

There must be somwhere we can build a bloody stadium, christ we have enough fields around us and a few shitholes than can be knocked down.

I say knock down Freshney Place, we need a newer shiny Shopping Centre, build a new Ground and shoping Centre and Town can hire out retail units....God this building planning lark is easy :P

What a good idea that would be ideal, now I will wait for the feedback to say that there has been a rare bird flown in that area and you will have to wait twenty years to give the bird a chance to make more birds before you can build on that site.

This football club has put up the most crazy objections to a new ground which by the way will help the local community. The Council should just be strong and back the football club, but it will not happen.
NEWFOOTBALLER

What we should do is knock the multi storey flats down and rebuild all of Freeman St,

Another option is to say we will build the 600 houses needed to replace the flats at peakes parkway,

Lets see if they would want a football stadium that is in use 26 times a year,

OR

600 Houses with all the noise and kids 24/7.

Quoted from newfootballer

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What a good idea that would be ideal, now I will wait for the feedback to say that there has been a rare bird flown in that area and you will have to wait twenty years to give the bird a chance to make more birds before you can build on that site.

This football club has put up the most crazy objections to a new ground which by the way will help the local community. The Council should just be strong and back the football club, but it will not happen.
NEWFOOTBALLER

The rare/new bird will be named a Right mammary, after the muppet who would have claimed to have spotted it crapping on his/her car.

There must be a site somewhere, Town can build on, though The Freshney Place idea, I came up with is clearly the best 8)

"What we should do is knock the multi storey flats down and rebuild all of Freeman St,"

Pete if only you knew what's been going on recently at Nelson House, this is essentially the old peoples dwelling. They have had a lift out of action around 5 weeks now still waiting for a spare part so shoreline keep saying,

They have had the water cut off several times still a long standing issue with supply problems or pump problems and the icing on the cake, they lost all the electricity effectively cutting them off because the one remaining lift became out of action. NO BACK UP SUPPLY???

To make maters even worse I can't verify this but some residents claimed NO EMERGENCY LIGHTING CAME ON during the power outage no door ways or stairways were lit up. WHAT!

The lift was still out of action yesterday and the water supply intermittent your right they should rehouse these people and pull the bloody lot down.

I was talking to one old lady who is wheelchair bound and she is on one of the higher floors??? This can't be right or safe.

As said above, knocking down freemo, ruby square etc could be very practical. Not bad transport links (gy docks train station, straight off the a180) and could also breath new fire into what is essentially on its bottom. The whole area could be redeveloped, agreed, but what would happen to residents living in the proximity??? for this reason, it would be a non starter.

Quoted from Mrs Doyle

"What we should do is knock the multi storey flats down and rebuild all of Freeman St,"

Pete if only you knew what's been going on recently at Nelson House, this is essentially the old peoples dwelling. They have had a lift out of action around 5 weeks now still waiting for a spare part so shoreline keep saying,

They have had the water cut off several times still a long standing issue with supply problems or pump problems and the icing on the cake, they lost all the electricity effectively cutting them off because the one remaining lift became out of action. NO BACK UP SUPPLY???

To make maters even worse I can't verify this but some residents claimed NO EMERGENCY LIGHTING CAME ON during the power outage no door ways or stairways were lit up. WHAT!

The lift was still out of action yesterday and the water supply intermittent your right they should rehouse these people and pull the bloody lot down.

I was talking to one old lady who is wheelchair bound and she is on one of the higher floors??? This can't be right or safe.

I was an working as an apprentice for Wimpey on those flats 1963-1966 before going on to build the willows estate,

I did not know a lot in those days but I thought they were a bit jerry built,

They must be ready to be pulled down now and people given homes fit for the 21st century.

Then we can build our new ground there. :)

Quoted from newfootballer

Well I have to say this, the feed back that Grimsby Town get to any decent area in Grimsby or Cleethorpes that they focus on for building a new football ground, it gets hammered straight away.

I just wonder and it might be worth asking a few of these clubs who have been through the experiance but have achieved their goal and got a new stadiumn built is ask them how they did it, because I cannot see it happening in my lifetime in Grimsby.

What is the problem in this area, do we not want to progress for the future of G.T.F.C. I am sure that the club will share the new stadiumn with a local Council involvment in other words so it is not just a football ground, maybe other local sports sharing the facilities.

I know it is old hat but I do not want to see my club fall away into just a memory of what Grimsby Town use to be. We must find a solution to the problems we have in finding the space required for the new ground.

My home club Manchester City got rid off Maine Road and have built a new stadiumn and sharing it with the local council, well come on lets get our heads together or else I fear the worst long time

NEWFOOTBALLER

Perhaps you should direct that question to your "boss" Mr de Freitas

Quoted from barralad

Perhaps you should direct that question to your "boss" Mr de Freitas

Now then Mr. Barralad,

You have just shown that you do not know what your talking about. Mr de Freitas is no longer my boss I am no longer a Councillor.

For your memory I had only been a Councillor for three months when I had my first clash with the council regarding the new ground situation. I clearly said to Mr De Freitas that the Council should not be standing in the way of Grimsby Towns Quest for a new football ground.

I thought numerous battles with the Council over these issues and every time came to a brick wall.

What I would like to know Mr Barralad are you in favour of a new ground or are you one of these people who come on this site just to have a go at people who are trying to change things for the better.

This football club of ours is struggling all the time to get a new football ground, it does not matter where they may be land available it will have objections to it ever taking place.

Do you know I really believe that people in this Town would prefer this Town not to have a football club they would rather us to die and fold up.

If John Fenty had not been here to look after the club who else would have done it.
Well done John Fenty, shame on you Barralad to even think that I did not have a go at the Council when I was Councillor regarding a new ground.
NEWFOOTBALLER

Quoted from newfootballer

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Now then Mr. Barralad,

You have just shown that you do not know what your talking about. Mr de Freitas is no longer my boss I am no longer a Councillor.

For your memory I had only been a Councillor for three months when I had my first clash with the council regarding the new ground situation. I clearly said to Mr De Freitas that the Council should not be standing in the way of Grimsby Towns Quest for a new football ground.

I thought numerous battles with the Council over these issues and every time came to a brick wall.

What I would like to know Mr Barralad are you in favour of a new ground or are you one of these people who come on this site just to have a go at people who are trying to change things for the better.

This football club of ours is struggling all the time to get a new football ground, it does not matter where they may be land available it will have objections to it ever taking place.

Do you know I really believe that people in this Town would prefer this Town not to have a football club they would rather us to die and fold up.

If John Fenty had not been here to look after the club who else would have done it.
Well done John Fenty, shame on you Barralad to even think that I did not have a go at the Council when I was Councillor regarding a new ground.
NEWFOOTBALLER

Not for me to fight Barralad`s corner Davey but you have called him 100% WRONG this time around he is Town to the core.The Council here are all backward thinking because lets face it we all know nothing gets done in GY unless your in with the funny handshake brigade or you can buy influence.Politicians are proven to be crooks the length and breadth of the Country hence many of us ordinary folk dont bother voting will Town get a new ground I dont know but I do know the shame is on the Council not the Town fans.

I've always thought in between New Waltham and Holton-Le-Clay could be good, with Louth Road etc. Quite a few places near Irby that seem good too like.

JF is happy to develop anywhere but in his own back yard so instead of building the 400 proposed houses on the green belt in humberston he is so keen to protect, I propose the stadium gets built there instead.

Alternatively, there are government grants available if areas of high deprivation at being developed so the macauley tip was always an option. It isn't being considered because it isn't what Fenty wants but it makes far more sense than building it on peakes parkway.

Looking at Google Earth (Not sure how upto date it is?) there seems to be plenty of land between New Haven Terrace, Macauley Street and the Railway Line. Cromwell Road runs adjacent. An unfinished flyover is situated there too!

Near West Marsh and the Willows. An area that may be eligible for funding to redevelop?

It doesn't matter where Town try to build, it only 5 old duffers to moan and the council will stop it. Using the excuse that they're protecting the little man would hold water if they didn't bend over backwards and take it up the rear everytime big business waved a wad of cash, then anything locals say against development is just ignored. KP, Findus on ladysmith road, that bloody great box on the docks, thousands of locals objected to each of them, but the council weren't interest.

Quoted from Chris

JF is happy to develop anywhere but in his own back yard so instead of building the 400 proposed houses on the green belt in humberston he is so keen to protect, I propose the stadium gets built there instead.

Alternatively, there are government grants available if areas of high deprivation at being developed so the macauley tip was always an option. It isn't being considered because it isn't what Fenty wants but it makes far more sense than building it on peakes parkway.

That's your opinion. Not the right one in mine or John's if you ask him!

Quoted from sonik

That's your opinion. Not the right one in mine or John's if you ask him!

You're right its my opinion, so I couldn't give two hoots if you or your brother agree or not.

Why is it not ok to develop green fields in Humberston but ut is ok to build on green fields in town?

How big is fentys back garden?

I still think the only problem with redeveloping bp is that it wont generate money from the sale of BP!

How can anyone object to it, its been there longer than any of the residents. The transport facilities have been there for years and copes with crowds as big as 20,000.

If I was being miscjievous, I might suggest that the bp site would generate a similar amount of money to John Fenty's loans in the clu b!

Any thoughts?

Sonik?

Btw. . . Nit having a pop. . . Just doing some (made up on the spot) maths!

Quoted from shotandcursed

I still think the only problem with redeveloping bp is that it wont generate money from the sale of BP!

How can anyone object to it, its been there longer than any of the residents. The transport facilities have been there for years and copes with crowds as big as 20,000.

If I was being miscjievous, I might suggest that the bp site would generate a similar amount of money to John Fenty's loans in the clu b!

Any thoughts?

Sonik?

Btw. . . Nit having a pop. . . Just doing some (made up on the spot) maths!

The only reason against redeveloping BP as far as I can see is parking for the conference facilities ,

This has been mention many times over the years but why can we not have a large car park the other side of the railway lines, ?

The main stand could be knocked down and a new one running the full length of the pitch built with conference facilities included,

The changing rooms to be moved to the Findus stand as originally intended

A new bridge running from the car park to the new stand and we have got everything needed,

Anybody agree or know why this would not work ?

Quoted from Chris

You're right its my opinion, so I couldn't give two hoots if you or your brother agree or not.

Why is it not ok to develop green fields in Humberston but ut is ok to build on green fields in town?

Go on the planning portal and reserch what developments are ongoing
that are not complete, i,e Scartho Top, 250 more homes to build there, they have been building on this site for 12 years, what is the point in having more developments that are part done and not finished, finish off what is granted at the moment. Also if you Google the rear of fenty,s house you will see there has been housing developed to the rear of his property, have you heard him moan No, So quite clearly you are just having a go at Fenty yet again, WE NEED A NEW STADIUM, I PEARSONALY DONT GIVE THREE HOOTS WHERE IT IS SO LONG AS WE GET ONE.

Quoted from newfootballer

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Now then Mr. Barralad,

For your memory I had only been a Councillor for three months when I had my first clash with the council regarding the new ground situation. I clearly said to Mr De Freitas that the Council should not be standing in the way of Grimsby Towns Quest for a new football ground.

I thought numerous battles with the Council over these issues and every time came to a brick wall.

What I would like to know Mr Barralad are you in favour of a new ground or are you one of these people who come on this site just to have a go at people who are trying to change things for the better.

Do you know I really believe that people in this Town would prefer this Town not to have a football club they would rather us to die and fold up.

As Micky says you've got Barra 100% wrong in your post, a regular at the majority of home and away games.

Rather than having a go at Barra, start a new thread or even write an article for the fishy stating what clashes you had and who stood in the way of GTFC. This will be far more productive and open a few eyes to who these people are who are not only strangling the club but the Town.

There are two types of people in this town who don't want GTFC, people who don't care about football and arm chair premiership fans. They both have something in common though, a lack of pride in Grimsby and a lack of sense of community. One of these factors is the result of the clowncil idiots who suggest we move then spend all their time putting up blockers.

Oust those clowncillors Dave, tell your story about them.

With Scartho Baths and the new sports centre along Cromwell Road, i get the feeling the council don't listen to the people. Which is a good thing as they seem like they want GTFC on Peaks Parkway so won't listen when people object. Job done

The Macualay site seems perfect as the transport infrastructure was upgraded in anticipation of development on there. It's still 'in town' so to speak - far much more than Peaks parkway / Waltham Airfield / Great Coates anyway, but it's also relatively out of the way of housing so there shouldn't be too many residents complaints. There's plenty of space for enabling developments such as hotels, food outlets, or a retail site, especially since anyone coming into the town will pretty much have to pass it on their way in and out. I can only think there's a very good reason why any development on there has stalled. I remember they were talking about making a millenium park there, with cinemas and all that kind of stuff which stalled 15 years ago.

Since I don't work in planning, I can't say if it's simply a finance issue or to do with underlying issues with the land itself which is probably quite toxic, but since various things have been planned on there in the past, and work has even commenced then stalled, it must at least be an option. Maybe the land is just too expensive.

I can't think of anywhere else better situated, available, and feasible though.

Quoted from Chris

JF is happy to develop anywhere but in his own back yard so instead of building the 400 proposed houses on the green belt in humberston he is so keen to protect, I propose the stadium gets built there instead.

Alternatively, there are government grants available if areas of high deprivation at being developed so the macauley tip was always an option. It isn't being considered because it isn't what Fenty wants but it makes far more sense than building it on peakes parkway.

i can just imagine all the yorkie mobs running down humbo ave :) perhaps mayor shaw could extend his toy railway to say north sea lane shops or even to that health club

I have given Fenty some grief for things various over the years but regarding a new ground he deserves backing to the hilt.The Council for example insisted on GTFC carrying out a feasability study that cost in excess of £1m and low and behold decided upon Great Coates as the most suitable site and now a decade later Peaks Parkway?The most sensible thing to do in my opinion is come up with half a dozen suitable sites and let the Public decide by voting process which is the most suitable.In effect only Town fans and people living in or around the proposed sites are gonna be arsed to vote reducing probably 100k votes down to about 10-15k.That is surely viable you have booths set up at the Town Hall for say 7 days where people can vote and at the end of it if for example the Public decide Peaks Parkway motion carried and build HWAT THE intercourse IS THE HOLD UP?

Quoted from Dan

The Macualay site seems perfect as the transport infrastructure was upgraded in anticipation of development on there.

Since I don't work in planning, I can't say if it's simply a finance issue or to do with underlying issues with the land itself which is probably quite toxic, but since various things have been planned on there in the past, and work has even commenced then stalled, it must at least be an option. Maybe the land is just too expensive.

I can't think of anywhere else better situated, available, and feasible though.

I think someone mentioned before Arsenic being dumped there and just the nature of a tip with other toxic pollutants and leachate (Leachate is any liquid that, in passing through matter, extracts solutes, suspended solids or any other component of the material through which it has
passed.) which, will be quite expensive to clean up (remediate the land).

Quoted from Marinerz93

I think someone mentioned before Arsenic being dumped there and just the nature of a tip with other toxic pollutants and leachate (Leachate is any liquid that, in passing through matter, extracts solutes, suspended solids or any other component of the material through which it has
passed.) which, will be quite expensive to clean up (remediate the land).

The supposed presence of toxic pollutants and leachates can't be that much of a problem because the owners of the land are proposing some kind of wildlife/country park there as mentioned in the GET recently.

Quoted from rancido

The supposed presence of toxic pollutants and leachates can't be that much of a problem because the owners of the land are proposing some kind of wildlife/country park there as mentioned in the GET recently.

I did see that but I can't remember if it was a proposal after they had cleaned it up or not. If Town did get it, some of that land could contain a country park, it's a massive site. Who owns the land and would they sell it?

A lot of that ground drains into the River Freshney and that doesn't seem to affect it judging by the amount of fish and waterlife in it.

http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Developers-hoping-build-homes-Macaulay-Lane/story-15859359-detail/story.html

Not that i trust a single word the telegraph write of course, but there's an overview of the plans for the Macaulay lane site.

That's the one Dan, it was cyanide I meant not Arsenic. To remediate these they will have to drill 10 to 20 bore holes to see how far the contamination is spread and obviously it will all depend on the levels of trace toxins.

As reported, tests on the former rubbish tip had revealed traces of deadly chemicals such as ammonia and cyanide, which council environmental advisers said need further monitoring before they can be deemed safe for development.

Quoted from Squarkus

Go on the planning portal and reserch what developments are ongoing
that are not complete, i,e Scartho Top, 250 more homes to build there, they have been building on this site for 12 years, what is the point in having more developments that are part done and not finished, finish off what is granted at the moment. Also if you Google the rear of fenty,s house you will see there has been housing developed to the rear of his property, have you heard him moan No, So quite clearly you are just having a go at Fenty yet again, WE NEED A NEW STADIUM, I PEARSONALY DONT GIVE THREE HOOTS WHERE IT IS SO LONG AS WE GET ONE.

So build it in Humberston then, I dare ya!

I'm having a go at Fenty yet again? Fenty is the one insisting Peakes Parkway is now the only place to build but I disagree. I'm using examples of double standards in his argument because he is objecting to developing green fields in Humberston yet wanting to bulldoze a green field on Peakes. Is no one allowed to disagree with Mr Fenty?? I think its necessary for people to speak their mind and express their opinions instead of just accepting what Councillors tell them, especially so with Fenty who trends to be surrounded by yes men!

Councillors need to remember they are there to SERVE and NOT dictate.

If a new stadium really will benefit the club and the community, then I too would like a new stadium but NOT on Peakes Parkway. There are better locations IMHO.

Quoted from 1mickylyons

I have given Fenty some grief for things various over the years but regarding a new ground he deserves backing to the hilt.The Council for example insisted on GTFC carrying out a feasability study that cost in excess of £1m and low and behold decided upon Great Coates as the most suitable site and now a decade later Peaks Parkway?The most sensible thing to do in my opinion is come up with half a dozen suitable sites and let the Public decide by voting process which is the most suitable.In effect only Town fans and people living in or around the proposed sites are gonna be arsed to vote reducing probably 100k votes down to about 10-15k.That is surely viable you have booths set up at the Town Hall for say 7 days where people can vote and at the end of it if for example the Public decide Peaks Parkway motion carried and build HWAT THE intercourse IS THE HOLD UP?

Depends how you "market" the options.

Quoted from Chris

So build it in Humberston then, I dare ya!

I'm having a go at Fenty yet again? Fenty is the one insisting Peakes Parkway is now the only place to build but I disagree. I'm using examples of double standards in his argument because he is objecting to developing green fields in Humberston yet wanting to bulldoze a green field on Peakes. Is no one allowed to disagree with Mr Fenty?? I think its necessary for people to speak their mind and express their opinions instead of just accepting what Councillors tell them, especially so with Fenty who trends to be surrounded by yes men!

Councillors need to remember they are there to SERVE and NOT dictate.

If a new stadium really will benefit the club and the community, then I too would like a new stadium but NOT on Peakes Parkway. There are better locations IMHO.

Chris.   Just a few snippets from post of yours that sound like what's highligted above.

You're right its my opinion, so I couldn't give two hoots if you or your brother agree or not.

JF is happy to develop anywhere but in his own back yard so instead of building the 400 proposed houses on the green belt in humberston he is so keen to protect, I propose the stadium gets built there instead.

I am against the Stadium being at Peaks Parkway.

Maybe we should build it in Humberston instead of the 400 houses that a certain Conservative councillor is against. NIMBYism comes in all shapes and sizes doesn't it?

I'm somewhat unsure as to the influence and therefore what difference the good men of the Trust board will achieve with a seat of the board of GTFC as the football club is ran by JF and JF alone. His word is King, some will say rightly so given that it is his money (or his loans) that continue to keep the club going IN ITS CURRENT FORM.

Fella, I didnt pay anything to "be on the board", nor did I say I had any power (what a poxy joke that is) nor did I say it made be better than anyone.

I simply stated, as is the truth, that I dont dance to anyones tune. I dont. If Fenty or anyone else asks me to do something I dont want to do, then I wont do it. Get over yourself. Come and meet me for a coffee and then you can call me a bell end if thats what you think I am.  ( A spat with gtfc98 ) Meet for a coffee did you?

So many feasibility studies have been and gone over the years and Peaks Parkway has come out on top for now. Not just because John's say so as you seem to think. We need to be self funding as you also say time and again. Don't we all?  That will never happen while we are at Blundell Park so a move sooner rather that later needs to happen. I think you are slightly unfair in some of your posts that are above and sorry that you seemed fit to resign from the Trust Board mid year. I believe that the Trust has made great strides and do a fantastic job for the good of the fans and football club as a whole. We now have a fantastic chance at last to have some success on and of the field so I hope we can all pull in the same direction to achieve it!

Up The Mariners!

Steve, with respect, you have no idea why I stepped down from the trust and I have no idea why you felt the need to bring it up. I don't agree with PP as the best location and im not alone.

I have no problem with JF personally and as far as I know neither has he with me, im sure I'll know about it if he does.

Can't you just accept that people can aim for the same thing but disagree on how that is achieved?

The best site for a new stadium is the one that was scuppered by misguided do-gooders in the allegedly peaceful village sited beautifully between a noisy dual carriageway and trans-Pennine railway line, garnished with plenty of nearby heavy industry. Probably only Brighton have been so badly let down by their political leaders as we have been.

Quoted from EY Mariner

The best site for a new stadium is the one that was scuppered by misguided do-gooders in the allegedly peaceful village sited beautifully between a noisy dual carriageway and trans-Pennine railway line, garnished with plenty of nearby heavy industry. Probably only Brighton have been so badly let down by their political leaders as we have been.

THIS: And this is exactly why you should have asked the question of Mr De Freitas, Mr Boylen....

Quoted from barralad

THIS: And this is exactly why you should have asked the question of Mr De Freitas, Mr Boylen....

Andrew De Freitas actually use to go and watch Town on a reguler basis, could never understand why he seemed to object to a new ground.

I have to say that I do not think it will ever happen in my life time. Sonic is quite correct sticking up for his brother, who I will once again say if he John Fenty was not on the board at this present time I dread to think where G.T.F.C would be
newfootballer

Earlier on this thread Moosey suggested Waltham Airfield, which i agreed with - noticing i have put a few pounds on i decided to go for a bike ride this morning - my route took me over the Airfield and i can tell you that short of the 180, which looks increasingly unlikely, the airfield site is absolutely perfect for a stadium plus retail/hotel & leisure complex - if you situated the ground towards the centre of that massive plot you would be upwards of a mile away from any housing, Waltham golf course borders one side, fields border another, leading to Toll bar school, another side gives you the Grimsby - Louth road, so there is infrastructure there and the final side is just open fields.
D'ont know who owns the land, but i suspect with it being an ex RAF base it would be in public ownership, that huge area is crying out for redevelopment - if Fenty & co haven't considered that plot, they really should.

Quoted from newfootballer

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Andrew De Freitas actually use to go and watch Town on a reguler basis, could never understand why he seemed to object to a new ground.
I have to say that I do not think it will ever happen in my life time. Sonic is quite correct sticking up for his brother, who I will once again say if he John Fenty was not on the board at this present time I dread to think where G.T.F.C would be
newfootballer

Isn't De Freitas a LibDem and therefore a member of a party who like to take the middle road and try not to upset anybody. As a consequence they usually upset everybody. I seem to recall a quote from a leading politician some years ago with reference to the Liberal Party( I can't recall who ) that went " when you stand in the middle of the road both sides run you over ".
It's not just De Freitas though , councillors from all parties over many decades have shown very little support for the needs of GTFC. They forget that as well as a sporting club GTFC are also employers and probably comparable to a small to medium business in industry either manufacturing or support based.

    Quoted from Chris
   JF is happy to develop anywhere but in his own back yard so instead of building the 400 proposed houses on the green belt in humberston he is so keen to protect, I propose the stadium gets built there instead.

    Alternatively, there are government grants available if areas of high deprivation at being developed so the macauley tip was always an option. It isn't being considered because it isn't what Fenty wants but it makes far more sense than building it on peakes parkway.

Quoted from sonic
That's your opinion. Not the right one in mine or John's if you ask him!

I don't think its Chris's opinion it may be more of a fact.
At the start of this fred I suggested the old 9 holes in Humberston.
Fenty is allied with a load of NIMBYS from Humberston so how can he have any kind of credibility in any planning application for a new stadium. People will just turn around and say Fenty didn't want 400 homes in his back yard so why the fook should we have a football ground in ours.
http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Plan-400-village-homes-Humberston-turned/story-17390619-detail/story.html

Quoted from TAGG

    Quoted from Chris
   JF is happy to develop anywhere but in his own back yard so instead of building the 400 proposed houses on the green belt in humberston he is so keen to protect, I propose the stadium gets built there instead.

    Alternatively, there are government grants available if areas of high deprivation at being developed so the macauley tip was always an option. It isn't being considered because it isn't what Fenty wants but it makes far more sense than building it on peakes parkway.

Quoted from sonic
That's your opinion. Not the right one in mine or John's if you ask him!

I don't think its Chris's opinion it may be more of a fact.
At the start of this fred I suggested the old 9 holes in Humberston.
Fenty is allied with a load of NIMBYS from Humberston so how can he have any kind of credibility in any planning application for a new stadium. People will just turn around and say Fenty didn't want 400 homes in his back yard so why the fook should we have a football ground in ours.
http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Plan-400-village-homes-Humberston-turned/story-17390619-detail/story.html

What a sad person you are, end of story.
NEWFOOTBALLER

I like the idea of the old airfield being used, it would support the already situated checkered flags and the driving range there

Quoted from EY Mariner

The best site for a new stadium is the one that was scuppered by misguided do-gooders in the allegedly peaceful village sited beautifully between a noisy dual carriageway and trans-Pennine railway line, garnished with plenty of nearby heavy industry. Probably only Brighton have been so badly let down by their political leaders as we have been.

WHS

There's plenty of land available around Euro Park. Surely they need it all for industrial units, it would take forever to fill it.

As the park is developed it will need some sort of retail facilities, cafes etc, & the local bussineses would use the confrence facilities of the stadium. All this could be included in the new stadium.

Let's stop flipping about peakes parkway is being looked at how much more time do we want to waste on this? its an ideal central location walking distance for many, get a Frank and Bennys and a toys r us lined up alongside, throw in a new ice ring or bowling alley and you've got a central hub of entertainment, lets get the idea of an out of town development out of our heads because lets be honest knowing what the people are like in this town once the novelty has worn off nobody's going to be arsed with the traveling, other out of town stadiums struggle with keeping the initial support but on the other hand rotherhams has a central location and their gates have shot up and been fairly consistent.

Quoted from 2578

Let's stop flipping about peakes parkway is being looked at how much more time do we want to waste on this? its an ideal central location walking distance for many, get a Frank and Bennys and a toys r us lined up alongside, throw in a new ice ring or bowling alley and you've got a central hub of entertainment, lets get the idea of an out of town development out of our heads because lets be honest knowing what the people are like in this town once the novelty has worn off nobody's going to be arsed with the traveling, other out of town stadiums struggle with keeping the initial support but on the other hand rotherhams has a central location and their gates have shot up and been fairly consistent.

Exaclty, People will always have fears about new development but its never going to be as bad as they say, stop listening to them and just build you won't get anywhere otherwise. Imagine if they were like this in london, we'd be a third world country but at least it would be nice for nostalgic old people to visit

Quoted from newfootballer

What a sad person you are, end of story.
NEWFOOTBALLER

Tut tut David. I know you think the sun shines out of Fentys ring despite him overseeing Towns worst ever slump.

So are you saying that in any application for a new stadium any objectors are not going to mention that he was at the forefront of objecting to building 400 new homes in his back yard????????

Quoted from Tommy

Milton Keynes ;)

(lff3) Brilliant (lff3)

Quoted from shotandcursed

Someone remind me why bp cant be redeveloped

Parking is the main issue, followed by traffic and train station.

So how come massive premiere clubs ( Mancs / Scousers / Geordies / Mackems etc) have huge grounds in areas of limited parking?

Quoted from GYinScuntland

(lff3) Brilliant (lff3)

Quoted from shotandcursed

Someone remind me why bp cant be redeveloped

Parking is the main issue, followed by traffic and train station.

So how come massive premiere clubs ( Mancs / Scousers / Geordies / Mackems etc) have huge grounds in areas of limited parking?

Historic venues in areas where the local population (as a majority) support the local team?

Quoted from LH

Historic venues in areas where the local population (as a majority) support the local team?

You maybe missed my point, the poster was asking why BP could not be re developed and got the answer about parking etc. My point being huge clubs have limited parking around the grounds, why should it be a problem with BP?

Quoted from mimma

There's plenty of land available around Euro Park. Surely they need it all for industrial units, it would take forever to fill it.

As the park is developed it will need some sort of retail facilities, cafes etc, & the local bussineses would use the confrence facilities of the stadium. All this could be included in the new stadium.

All land to the Humber side of the A180 is reserved for industrial use only.This was a decision made after the end of the Second world War.The logic behind the continuation of this train of thought is that in the event of any chemical/industrial disaster you would only have a small amount of people to evacuate from the area. If you had a football ground or housing then the consequences could be devastating and chaotic with large numbers of people concentrated in a relatively small area. This is not my opinion , only that of the authorities that decide these things.

Quoted from newfootballer

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Andrew De Freitas actually use to go and watch Town on a reguler basis, could never understand why he seemed to object to a new ground.

I have to say that I do not think it will ever happen in my life time. Sonic is quite correct sticking up for his brother, who I will once again say if he John Fenty was not on the board at this present time I dread to think where G.T.F.C would be
newfootballer

So why didn't you ask him the question if you couldn't understand his reasoning?

Quoted from Chris

JF is happy to develop anywhere but in his own back yard so instead of building the 400 proposed houses on the green belt in humberston he is so keen to protect, I propose the stadium gets built there instead.

Alternatively, there are government grants available if areas of high deprivation at being developed so the macauley tip was always an option. It isn't being considered because it isn't what Fenty wants but it makes far more sense than building it on peakes parkway.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't there allotments next to the Macauley site?

;D ;D ;D ;D what about were scather bath are when they come down plenty of room there. utmm

Quoted from newfootballer

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Andrew De Freitas actually use to go and watch Town on a reguler basis, could never understand why he seemed to object to a new ground.

I have to say that I do not think it will ever happen in my life time. Sonic is quite correct sticking up for his brother, who I will once again say if he John Fenty was not on the board at this present time I dread to think where G.T.F.C would be
newfootballer

The football league? :-/

Although I didn't see it personally, Radio Hullberside were running a story on their Breakfast show this morning about the KC Stadium and the fact that it is 10 years old this week. They were interviewing a councillor (I think) and asking how the stadium has helped the local area and economy.

I think a listen on the iPlayer is called for later as it will be interesting to know how it could also be a benefit to us, if we ever get one built!

Quoted from ivanosandwich

Although I didn't see it personally, Radio Hullberside were running a story on their Breakfast show this morning about the KC Stadium and the fact that it is 10 years old this week. They were interviewing a councillor (I think) and asking how the stadium has helped the local area and economy.

I think a listen on the iPlayer is called for later as it will be interesting to know how it could also be a benefit to us, if we ever get one built!

The new owner was on Calendar last night stating that Hull need a new ground if they want Premiersh*t football !!!!!

Quoted from rancido

The new owner was on Calendar last night stating that Hull need a new ground if they want Premiersh*t football !!!!!

How about a ground share with Hull ?

Somewhere between Barnetby top and Great Coates. 8)

Quoted from grimsby pete

How about a ground share with Hull ?

Somewhere between Barnetby top and Great Coates. 8)

I think the owner's problem with the KC stadium was that it was shared with one of the rugby clubs.

To compare us with Hull, we have been talking about a new stadium for more than 10 years and nothing has happened. They have a stadium that is only 10 yesrs old and are talking about a new one if they return to the Premiership................and we know that their council will approve it.

Quoted from ivanosandwich

I think the owner's problem with the KC stadium was that it was shared with one of the rugby clubs.

To compare us with Hull, we have been talking about a new stadium for more than 10 years and nothing has happened. They have a stadium that is only 10 yesrs old and are talking about a new one if they return to the Premiership................and we know that their council will approve it.

From what I gather their chairman wants to purchase the freehold from the Council who own the ground. The Council say no so he isn't going to put his cash into upping the 25000 capacity (fair enough).

He's playing his hand well, bluffing about moving out and leaving the ground with just the one tenant (some Rugby club).