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Quoted from 1600

Understand why Coulo didn't play if he turned down a contract.

But a bit confused why Scott largely only played those contracted to the club for next season vs Telford.

Shouldn't he have been looking at those OUT of contract to help him make his mind up ?

Not saying he should do it for Southport because a win there is arguably important.
But it seems like a small opportunity lost (unless he's already made his mind up).

So Anthony church is contracted to the club for next season is he?

So call me a cynic but how about the theory he's already made his mind up but doesn't want to play many of the players who are gonna be leaving just in case they shine ?....

Quoted from Tommy

Can see your point 80's about wanting to see the players that are out of contract in a couple of months....

...but I think they would have seen enough over the season in training and in matches (everyone seems to have had a fair enough chance) to make a judgement.

One or two good performances in the last couple of games wouldn't persuade me to change my mind and want to keep someone that i had already deemed not part of the plans.

Good points Tommy, may I also add that how many players have only performed when it's contract renewal time. One player who I don't think who has enough game time and could be a threat is KHM, he should have played against Darlington as I believe his pace would have caused problems.

Good points Tommy, marinerz so perhaps minds have already been made up like I suggested.

aaron I don't think Church is contracted but he came on as sub.
Artus isn't contracted either and he started but I did say "largely".
Does that help answer your question ?

Quoted from SkegFan

Bad news I think. Some think Coulson is a bit indifferent in his performances. However I maintain that he wouldn't be getting England C call ups if he wasn't one of the best players at our level.

I would also ask this. If we can't offer him enough money to stay, who else is there out there that we can sign that is going to be any better than Coulson? I would say nobody for the money we offering Coulson. This is a worry as I can see him being snapped up and coming back to haunt us like so many of the other players that have done this over the years.

Do you know what Coulson is on or what he was offered in his new deal ? I'm very confident that The Dynamic Duo will find a replacement equally as good as Coulson and on less money. They have been working in the non-league scene for several seasons now and will have a good idea of who they want.

Gutted to be losing Coulson I think he is pure quality and cant understand some of the stick he gets on here, 18 assist and 10 goals is very good!, looking at some of his tweets it sounds like he doesn’t want to leave but doesn’t want to take a pay cut. I think he deserves a 'send off' from the fans (if that’s what you would call it) against Southport, even if he doesn’t play :) ;)

I wouldn't be surprised if Malkreth barrows winger comes in for the same amount coulson use to be on. Having said that keep your eyes on Luton signing everyone and anyone lol

Quoted from SkegFan

Bad news I think. Some think Coulson is a bit indifferent in his performances. However I maintain that he wouldn't be getting England C call ups if he wasn't one of the best players at our level.

I would also ask this. If we can't offer him enough money to stay, who else is there out there that we can sign that is going to be any better than Coulson? I would say nobody for the money we offering Coulson. This is a worry as I can see him being snapped up and coming back to haunt us like so many of the other players that have done this over the years.

we couldnt offer him the money to stay because if im right hes one of, if not the highest paid player? as when we signed him on the permanent deal the first season in the bluesquare our wage budget was considrably bigger because we'd just come down from the league and the club probably expected to go back up within a season or 2, now its our 3rd season in the BSP and the wage budget we have now is alot less than what we had when we signed him. and i heard from a source that the reduced contract was only £50 less than what hes already earning ? im not sure how true that is, its just what ive heard. but going back to getting a replacement, we need to be looking at the semi-pro teams, with players on non contracts? there wages will be smaller and no fee will have to be paid and there is some very decent players, ive seen some really good players come here and play this season, this is just my opinion i know alot of you on here will probably disagree.

Disagreements on here Curley, surely not!!!

Quoted from oldun

Disagreements on here Curley, surely not!!!

Haha it's inevitable someone will disagree! :P

It's ok rejecting a contract but has he another club to go to ? I suggest that his head may have been turned by playing for England C . For all we know his agent would have been touting his name around league clubs . Not only to get a better deal for the player but to line his pocket aswell .

We all know that it's a short career as a pro footballer , so if he does go to pastures new all the best to him and we will welcome someone else to take his place . You never know , rough diamond and all that !

I hope he does OK. It sounds similar to Peter Bore's situation when he left, although I'd expect Coulo to find something a bit better than Bore managed.

When footballers retire who played in league 1 and below how do they get money in later life?

Quoted from aaron rattray

When footballers retire who played in league 1 and below how do they get money in later life?

They try and get a job.

Quoted from aaron rattray

When footballers retire who played in league 1 and below how do they get money in later life?

ffs

to think that thousands of pounds of our tax has been wasted on giving you an education :-/

Quoted from aaron rattray

When footballers retire who played in league 1 and below how do they get money in later life?

Traditionally, they used to buy pubs then urine their savings up the wall whilst regaling the punters with tales of their glory days.

Quoted from forza ivano

ffs

to think that thousands of pounds of our tax has been wasted on giving you an education :-/

;D ;D

Well they might have got some legal aid by the government

Quoted from aaron rattray

Well they might have got some legal aid by the government

aaron - please just try and remember this old saying - 'when in hole;stop digging'

legal aid for ex footballers ?????? ffs x 2

Quoted from forza ivano

aaron - please just try and remember this old saying - 'when in hole;stop digging'

legal aid for ex footballers ?????? ffs x 2

??) Good god, the world has gone mammaries up, it really has.

The future unfortuneatly is full of aaron rattray's

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Quoted from aaron rattray

Well they might have got some legal aid by the government

Legal aid for what?

Quoted from aaron rattray

Well they might have got some legal aid by the government

They could apply for the dole I guess.

I've said it before, Aarion is taking the urine out of us all. He surely can't be as thick as he comes across?

"I'm the next Michael Barrymore"...I can't believe he doesn't see why this is possibly the funniest thing I've ever heard anyone claim to be. Next he'll be telling us he's a massive Gary Glitter fan. Word of advice Aaron as you go into college next year, don't go into college telling your new mates that you're the next Barrymore. Most won't know who he is, and those that do will not let you forget how stupid you are until the day you leave.
"legal aid from the government" ???
just the way he asked the question, "when footballers retire, where do they get their money from"....mum, why has that bus got big wheels and lots of windows?

You're not really that stupid are you lad? come on, tell us the truth, you're winding us all up right and laughing at us.

I think its clear from quite a few of his posts that he is a wind up. Nobody would genuinely claim to be the next Barrymore.

I like Michael barrymore and i think he's funny and teachers and pupils has said that i am hilarious, so i am the next Michael barrymore

Quoted from aaron rattray

I like Michael barrymore and i think he's funny and teachers and pupils has said that i am hilarious, so i am the next Michael barrymore

Says the 50 year old balding recluse hunched over his grease fingered stained laptop

Coulson confirms he will most likely not be here next season, but does say he dosn't expect to go to any other conference team.

[url]http://www.thisisgrimsby.co.uk/Grimsby-Town-Michael-Coulson-expects-exit/story-15920891-detail/story.html[/url]

After watching Coulson protecting himself n avoiding tackling out wide on the right, I turned to a friend and said he's on his way and doesn't want to get injured, he seems like he's already gone. Ergo all this chat about contracts and pay cut is really just covering up the fact he's gone and known it for a month or two, a la Atkinson last season! Good luck to him but a small pay cut in a double dip recession shows footballers are living in a different world to other working people, many whom have taken pay freezes for the last 2 years and altered hours just to keep a wage coming in. Two years guaranteed wage isn't a bad offer unless he knows he can get more or the same elsewhere or league football!

Quoted from ticker_1610

After watching Coulson protecting himself n avoiding tackling out wide on the right, I turned to a friend and said he's on his way and doesn't want to get injured, he seems like he's already gone. Ergo all this chat about contracts and pay cut is really just covering up the fact he's gone and known it for a month or two, a la Atkinson last season! Good luck to him but a small pay cut in a double dip recession shows footballers are living in a different world to other working people, many whom have taken pay freezes for the last 2 years and altered hours just to keep a wage coming in. Two years guaranteed wage isn't a bad offer unless he knows he can get more or the same elsewhere or league football!

I can't see anything wrong in the way he's conducted himself. If I got offered my current job but on less money but knew I could join a better performing company with better prospects on more money I'd be off. Likewise, if the club have offered what they can sensibly afford and it's not enough then I think it's the right thing for the club to let him leave. Not all departures have to be acrimonious or somebody's fault. He's contributed more to the team than pretty much anybody over the past 3 years and however excrement those years have been he can leave with his head up as far as I'm concerned.

What about this injury he's got? Is he going to make his own arrangements to get that fixed? Or will the club he's going to (if he is) take care of that for him?

Unlike with Forbes' injury I would be a bit disappointed if we were to still pay for his treatment etc, a good length of time after his last game for his so that he go and join somebody else in peak fitness.

Maybe this was part of the reason Winn was brought in, it was an 'extended trial' as ScoHurst knew that he was leaving? All conjecture of course.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I can't see anything wrong in the way he's conducted himself. If I got offered my current job but on less money but knew I could join a better performing company with better prospects on more money I'd be off. Likewise, if the club have offered what they can sensibly afford and it's not enough then I think it's the right thing for the club to let him leave. Not all departures have to be acrimonious or somebody's fault. He's contributed more to the team than pretty much anybody over the past 3 years and however excrement those years have been he can leave with his head up as far as I'm concerned.

Agreed, I don't anyone is in the wrong here or can be blamed.

The managers have a budget to work too, and have offered Coulson less money but more security, because they believe thats what hes worth, or that they can get better if they save wages elsewhere (Coulson being one if he took the pay cut)

Coulson obviously dosn't want a paycut, and who could blame him? especially if he believes he can get the same money he is on now in the league.

Sad that one of our better players is leaving, but cannot be helped, we have to cut our cloth somehow or end up like Darlington.

"I don't want to go too deep into it, but I didn't want to take a pay cut at the end of the day – that's what it is.

"It's not much and not a big cut but it's out of principle – I don't want to take a pay cut."

We're in a recession Michael. A lot of supporters have had to deal with much worse situations than a minor pay cut. If you really want to be at Grimsby Town Football Club next season like you say, you'd take notice of that and take the pay cut.

Unless he knows where he's going, signing for a new club will possibly mean relocating and all the costs involved with that.

If he can get a better wage elsewhere, good on him.

I've no illusions about loyalty in this day and age - he has to think about his future and taking a pay cut in the prime of your career is not a good move, regardless of the current financial climate.

He's one of our best players and I'd have thought he will be able to find himself a few League Two clubs happy to take him on. Whether or not they will be able to match his wage demands, I don't know.

Quoted from Chrisblor

"I don't want to go too deep into it, but I didn't want to take a pay cut at the end of the day – that's what it is.

"It's not much and not a big cut but it's out of principle – I don't want to take a pay cut."

We're in a recession Michael. A lot of supporters have had to deal with much worse situations than a minor pay cut. If you really want to be at Grimsby Town Football Club next season like you say, you'd take notice of that and take the pay cut.

Good post, good riddance imo. Roll on the next no.7.

Quoted from Maringer

If he can get a better wage elsewhere, good on him.

I've no illusions about loyalty in this day and age - he has to think about his future and taking a pay cut in the prime of your career is not a good move, regardless of the current financial climate.

He's one of our best players and I'd have thought he will be able to find himself a few League Two clubs happy to take him on. Whether or not they will be able to match his wage demands, I don't know.

I understand this and have no problems with a player leaving for free if they receive a better offer from a club in a higher division. I just wish they wouldn't say things like I want to stay at Grimsby next season when it's utter balderdash. If Coulson really wanted to stay here next season, he could.

Quoted from Chrisblor

"I don't want to go too deep into it, but I didn't want to take a pay cut at the end of the day – that's what it is.

"It's not much and not a big cut but it's out of principle – I don't want to take a pay cut."

We're in a recession Michael. A lot of supporters have had to deal with much worse situations than a minor pay cut. If you really want to be at Grimsby Town Football Club next season like you say, you'd take notice of that and take the pay cut.

We might be all of those things, but if you knew you could do the same job elsewhere for a better company and not take a paycut and didn't mind moving you would too.

Quoted from cod.gtfc

We might be all of those things, but if you knew you could do the same job elsewhere for a better company and not take a paycut and didn't mind moving you would too.

Obviously, but I wouldn't go around telling people I really want to stay with my original employer when that clearly isn't the case.

Quoted from Chrisblor

Obviously, but I wouldn't go around telling people I really want to stay with my original employer when that clearly isn't the case.

Why isn't it the case? if he was offered the same money he would stay. He obviously does want to stay just not with a paycut, seems pretty straightforward.

Coulson on Twitter 2 minutes ago: "Officially left Grimsby today, had a great 2 and half years and hope the fans get some success they deserve. Massive thanks to everyone."

Quoted from cod.gtfc

Why isn't it the case? if he was offered the same money he would stay. He obviously does want to stay just not with a paycut, seems pretty straightforward.

I can see where your coming from but I feel that if he wanted to stay at the club as much as he says then he would be willing to forgo his principals and accept a paycut which the player himself has even said is "not much" of a cut. He clearly wants to leave because he'll be paid more and playing in a higher league next season. I just want players to be honest with fans and state their actual reasons for leaving instead of making out their hand was forced due to a contractual disagreement.

To be fair I think he's been very upfront, in fact how much more upfront can you get than saying 'I don't want to take a pay-cut'. Think what he's saying is fair - if we'd offered him the same money he'd have liked to stay but he isn't prepared to take a cut.

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

To be fair I think he's been very upfront, in fact how much more upfront can you get than saying 'I don't want to take a pay-cut'. Think what he's saying is fair - if we'd offered him the same money he'd have liked to stay but he isn't prepared to take a cut.

I agree with what you are saying but the crucial point in the Telewag article for me was the bit where he said that he admits to "having his head turned" by interest from league clubs.

It may be that he will go to a league club on less money than his current contract for all we know. The lure of league football must be a strong one and i suspect he already has a move lined up.

Either way, he has been one of our better players over the last 3 seasons, so i wish him well. Still think we can do better than him though and i saw several better wingers at BP last season IMO.

Quoted from ginnywings

I agree with what you are saying but the crucial point in the Telewag article for me was the bit where he said that he admits to "having his head turned" by interest from league clubs.

It may be that he will go to a league club on less money than his current contract for all we know. The lure of league football must be a strong one and i suspect he already has a move lined up.

Either way, he has been one of our better players over the last 3 seasons, so i wish him well. Still think we can do better than him though and i saw several better wingers at BP last season IMO.

WHS.

Can't argue with the fact he has been valuable with his assists though:

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/assists/_/league/eng.5/english-conference?cc=5739

Those that are saying why didn't he stay even with a paycut as many of the fans may have had a paycut are not living in the real world.

Where I work and have done for a number of years we have had an effective paycut as we have had only one below inflation increase since 2008. However despite my being here a long time if another Company came in and offered me more money with better prospects in the same line of work I am in now I would have told my current employer where to stick their job.

Having seen many long serving staff made redundant because of cost cutting measures and over the years players dumped at the end of their contracts their isn't much room for sentiment.

I for one wish Michael all the best and thank him and all the players for their efforts even if I thought some of them weren't up to it.

John Tondeur's tweeted that there's an interesting interview with Coulson this evening and that he left "with a nasty taste"

Quoted from ginnywings

I agree with what you are saying but the crucial point in the Telewag article for me was the bit where he said that he admits to "having his head turned" by interest from league clubs.

It may be that he will go to a league club on less money than his current contract for all we know. The lure of league football must be a strong one and i suspect he already has a move lined up.

Either way, he has been one of our better players over the last 3 seasons, so i wish him well. Still think we can do better than him though and i saw several better wingers at BP last season IMO.

Agreed with the last point. Whilst he shows what he is capable of sometimes (and accept his assists have been valuable) I do think this last season has been generally disappointing for him and is overrated. I wish him well though, given decent service to us over three years. Time to move on and not bash the club (timing could have been better on the announcement - but all parties, Coulson included, have been playing too much out in public and in the media)

[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/p00qvrvl[/url]

Interview with Coulson starts about 38:40 some key points below:

Says hes disappointed with the way it has ended and left a sour taste in his mouth and would like to have left on a high. Dosn't know why he was offered a paycut but guesses its because of the budget but didn't think he was one of the top earners.

Contract offered was good but still a paycut and after much thinking and speaking to people he decided he didn't want a paycut and at 24 now is the time to try and get back to where he thinks he can play and hopefully will find a league club.

He has no offers at the moment, hand on heart, and dosn't know what hes going to do, but hopes he will get back in the league. If he were in the conference he would have wanted to stay with us. Believes a good side is being built here and will be fighting promotion next season.

If he was offered the same terms he would have taken it and been happy to stay.

Sounded very disappointed by it all and the way its ended as well as not playing in the final two games but nothing he can do, he didn't want to accept a paycut in the conference at the end of the day.

Apparently it's over £25 a month!!!

Surely not??

If that's true then I'd say it's sadly penny pinching by Town....

300 pounds a year pay cut could be covered by one extra fan at every game next season and if we are up near the top, would be easily achieved

Maybe the trust could have played a part in offering to cover the short-fall if that's all it is? It wouldn't be the first time fans have paid a players wage

Quoted from topuphere666

Apparently it's over £25 a month!!!

How much over?

Quoted from psgmariner

How much over?

I read it as the dispute is over (or rather concerns) just 25 quid a month

Yea £25 a month is what made him go.

Quoted from topuphere666

Yea £25 a month is what made him go.

Seems he wasn't that bothered about staying then.

Quoted from psgmariner

Seems he wasn't that bothered about staying then.

I guess there is 2 ways of looking at it.

He couldn't be arsed or the club couldn't be arsed

But I suppose if 10 players all wanted an extra 25 it would add up eventually.

So. The club was prepared to let one of its better players go for the sake of £300. The club didn't have to offer Coulson reduced terms. As he himself pointed out on Humberside, if they had offered him the same it would have triggered an option in his contract and he would have had to stay for another year, it was the fact they offerd reduced terms which has negated that option. I would like to think that it was going to save the club the price of an Adult and Junior season ticket.

£150 a week = £25pm??????

For what it is worth i would have kept Coulson on his existing wages provided that is not out of line with the rest of the squad however I honestly think that the lure of playing in the league is a significant factor.

I also guess that the managers are not quite as taken with Coulson as many fans appear to be. They believe they can get players on lower wages that will better fit into there preferred formation.

Many dont see Coulson as ideal in either a 442 or 433 so all in all I can see why the nanagers dont see him as part of their plans

Quoted from BIGChris

£150 a week = £25pm??????

For what it is worth i would have kept Coulson on his existing wages provided that is not out of line with the rest of the squad however I honestly think that the lure of playing in the league is a significant factor.

I also guess that the managers are not quite as taken with Coulson as many fans appear to be. They believe they can get players on lower wages that will better fit into there preferred formation.

Many dont see Coulson as ideal in either a 442 or 433 so all in all I can see why the nanagers dont see him as part of their plans

whs - lets' get real folks - if snh had really, REALLY wanted him, they would have found the money for him. and i wouldn't mind betting a few quid that his replacement is already in place

Quoted from forza ivano

whs - lets' get real folks - if snh had really, REALLY wanted him, they would have found the money for him. and i wouldn't mind betting a few quid that his replacement is already in place

Just been reading your e-mails about Veet ;D

Yeah lets blame the club because it was only £25.

If it was only £25 then why didn't Coulson stay.

there's two ways of looking at it and both sides are to blame.

Personally I agree with the above, the managers have always said their preferred formation is 4-3-3, prehaps they are finally, now all the players (except Wood and Makofo) are their own going to build that 4-3-3 team in the summer and Coulson dosn't work well in a front or middle 3.

Quoted from forza ivano

whs - lets' get real folks - if snh had really, REALLY wanted him, they would have found the money for him.

Don't understand that logic tbh.
If they didn't want him why did they offer him a longer contract ?

tbf think it's a little bit of everything but we could have kept him on the same money for 1 year if we wanted to.
It's slightly disappointing wage caps seem to come first.

Wish Coulson all the luck and hope he does well..........But we replaced AC with Hearn so lets just see

Remember when Connell came out with all the bullshit but after he went it came out he was asking for a move for upto 7 months previous? Everyone is slagging off the club but at the end of the day there is no loyalty anymore, thanks for the effort Coulo but even by his own admission it wasn't a massive pay cut so if he'd have really wanted to stay I'm sure he could have nudged a little bit...goodbye Coulo..

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

I can't see anything wrong in the way he's conducted himself. If I got offered my current job but on less money but knew I could join a better performing company with better prospects on more money I'd be off. Likewise, if the club have offered what they can sensibly afford and it's not enough then I think it's the right thing for the club to let him leave. Not all departures have to be acrimonious or somebody's fault. He's contributed more to the team than pretty much anybody over the past 3 years and however excrement those years have been he can leave with his head up as far as I'm concerned.

Would you leave your current position in the hope of getting a better paid job? Or would you take a wage cut whilst securing a better job? Footballers do not have this option so IMO its a gamble they take unless an offer comes in before your contract expires. 8)
UTMM

Coulson simply needs to look at what happened to Connell - stepped up a league and has ended up in a promotion winning side. Or Atkinson for that matter.

He got offered a pay cut and it's quite simple. If you don't respect yourself - don't expect anyone else to do so - particularly your employer.

Sad loss imho

Quoted from Welwynmariner

Coulson simply needs to look at what happened to Connell - stepped up a league and has ended up in a promotion winning side. Or Atkinson for that matter.

He got offered a pay cut and it's quite simple. If you don't respect yourself - don't expect anyone else to do so - particularly your employer.

Sad loss imho

Well said

Quoted from Welwynmariner

Coulson simply needs to look at what happened to Connell - stepped up a league and has ended up in a promotion winning side. Or Atkinson for that matter.

He got offered a pay cut and it's quite simple. If you don't respect yourself - don't expect anyone else to do so - particularly your employer.

Sad loss imho

Just to be pedantic Atkinson has not played much this season and has just been released.

Quoted from Welwynmariner

Coulson simply needs to look at what happened to Connell - stepped up a league and has ended up in a promotion winning side. Or Atkinson for that matter.

He got offered a pay cut and it's quite simple. If you don't respect yourself - don't expect anyone else to do so - particularly your employer.

Sad loss imho

Just to be pedantic Atkinson has not played much this season and has just been released.

Quoted from psgmariner

Just to be pedantic Atkinson has not played much this season and has just been released.

Wow. I didn't know that. Just shows the risk Coulo is taking - tough decision for him.

Quoted from Southwark Mariner

John Tondeur's tweeted that there's an interesting interview with Coulson this evening and that he left "with a nasty taste"

he didn't have one of them burgers from the burger van did he? ;D

Quoted from psgmariner

Just to be pedantic Atkinson has not played much this season and has just been released.

Serves the girl private right!

Just out if interest would anyone have Rob back?

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

Serves the girl private right!

Just out if interest would anyone have Rob back?

No.

Didn't he start off well but broke his ankle?

whats the bet coulson ends up at scunny?

I hope Coulson does find himself a decent league team he deserves it. He's been with us a while now and always put the effort in

Quoted from Welwynmariner

Coulson simply needs to look at what happened to Connell - stepped up a league and has ended up in a promotion winning side. Or Atkinson for that matter.

He got offered a pay cut and it's quite simple. If you don't respect yourself - don't expect anyone else to do so - particularly your employer.

Sad loss imho

Out of interest, does anyone know how many assists Coulo made for Connell and the team last season?

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

Serves the girl private right!

Just out if interest would anyone have Rob back?

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Quoted from Southwark Mariner

John Tondeur's tweeted that there's an interesting interview with Coulson this evening and that he left "with a nasty taste"

Found out today what the " nasty taste " could be. When Michael left on Thursday he was told he would be paid up until his contract expired in June, as was the case with Duffy and Garner. That morning a league club asked him to come and train with them for a week and play a behind closed doors game. He had to ask Grimsby permission to do this because technically he is still their player. Grimsby said he could but he would have to forfit his remaining 6 weeks wages.
Apparently this wasn't the managers decision.
Know he's my mate but I thought this was crap. He's never given the club any trouble and when you consider the £1000's paid out to some former dross it'll leave you abit drunk off. Well I thought so anyway, don't know about anyone else.

Quoted from Daftlad

Found out today what the " nasty taste " could be. When Michael left on Thursday he was told he would be paid up until his contract expired in June, as was the case with Duffy and Garner. That morning a league club asked him to come and train with them for a week and play a behind closed doors game. He had to ask Grimsby permission to do this because technically he is still their player. Grimsby said he could but he would have to forfit his remaining 6 weeks wages.
Apparently this wasn't the managers decision.
Know he's my mate but I thought this was crap. He's never given the club any trouble and when you consider the £1000's paid out to some former dross it'll leave you abit drunk off. Well I thought so anyway, don't know about anyone else.

He was being let go and he was a good servant to the club. I think the way he has been treated here is disgusting and if true whose decision was it.

Quoted from Marinerz93

He was being let go and he was a good servant to the club. I think the way he has been treated here is disgusting and if true whose decision was it.

Well I asked him that and he just said he was told it wasn't the managers decison. So from that I assume it could only be Fenty.

Quoted from Daftlad

Well I asked him that and he just said he was told it wasn't the managers decison. So from that I assume it could only be Fenty.

If true, what a excrement :-/

I don't like it either, but unfortunately it's business. Same thing would happen with any other job.

Quoted from wigworld

I don't like it either, but unfortunately it's business. Same thing would happen with any other job.

He is having a trial behind closed doors, the managers stated that players would be released early to find new clubs. It's not as if he has gone straight into a league game and been paid. This sort of business is the type that gives a club a bad name, ie word of mouth.

If true then not trying to defend anyone but it's understandable in a way cos if people can save money (for effectively doing nothing) they'll probably try to - it's business unfortunately (and in this case one struggling for cash)
If I was Coulo I would negotiate cos whilst not ideal for him, there's nothing to stop him hanging fire and claiming all 6 weeks ?

If this is true it has The Great Dictators finger prints all over it.
Just add it to the Boston Court embarrassment the bullying of the trust to skank the shares the way he treat John Cockerill and all the other stuff he’s done over the years to embarrass GTFC and its fans.
Coulson should be shown more respect.

Fenty out out out

Maybe I'm missing the point here but is it so wrong to ask a player under contract to earn his money ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying is he should be allowed to walk away but still be paid for doing nothing ?
Yes maybe we could have let him go as a thankyou whatever but it's not like we're Man City with money to burn.

Don't get me wrong I'm not on the pro-Fenty bandwagon and the 200/wk thing doesn't sit well with me at all, just trying to inject some rationality, fairness and common sense here.

Quoted from 1600

(1)Maybe I'm missing the point here but is it so wrong to ask a player under contract to earn his money ?
(2)Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying is he should be allowed to walk away but still be paid for doing nothing ?
(3)Yes maybe we could have let him go as a thankyou whatever but it's not like we're Man City with money to burn.

Don't get me wrong I'm not on the pro-Fenty bandwagon and the 200/wk thing doesn't sit well with me at all, just trying to inject some rationality, fairness and common sense here.

(1)  He was told he wasn't required for the last game and that he didn't need to train with the squad anymore.  The way I look at this is that he is effectively on gardening leave, so free to do as he wants.
(2)  See answer (1), I don't think his contract requires him to sweep up, clean toilets.
(3)  We've done it countless times over the last few seasons to players who are at the end of their contract, Duffers and Garner included in this season.

The club has told the players to go sort themselves out and they have let them go early to enable that, there was no conditions applied to that.  Only when MC gets an offer of a trial there is a "yes of course you can, just sign the last 6 weeks of your contract off".  This is hypocritical and if true it stinks.

Quoted from Marinerz93

(1)  He was told he wasn't required for the last game and that he didn't need to train with the squad anymore.  The way I look at this is that he is effectively on gardening leave, so free to do as he wants.
(2)  See answer (1), I don't think his contract requires him to sweep up, clean toilets.
(3)  We've done it countless times over the last few seasons to players who are at the end of their contract, Duffers and Garner included in this season.

The club has told the players to go sort themselves out and they have let them go early to enable that, there was no conditions applied to that.  Only when MC gets an offer of a trial there is a "yes of course you can, just sign the last 6 weeks of your contract off".  This is hypocritical and if true it stinks.

Very true,
they must of realised that Coulson would get offers, appears knee jerk and nasty to me, if true ::)

Just wondering out loud, so to speak, but are Town entitled to compensation if he signs for another club? If so then a serious injury whilst playing in a trial before his contract is up could jeopardise that?

Quoted from psgmariner

Just to be pedantic Atkinson has not played much this season and has just been released.

I don't know if he's been released or not (didn't he sign on a two year deal?) but Atkinson broke his ankle in the Autumn which may have had an impact of the number of appearences he managed this season!

Quoted from porkies

Just wondering out loud, so to speak, but are Town entitled to compensation if he signs for another club? If so then a serious injury whilst playing in a trial before his contract is up could jeopardise that?

No because he is not under 24. Even if he were, we have offered him reduced terms so we wouldnt have been entitled to a fee even if he was younger.

Although Coulson has turned down the clubs offer and he has said publically he hasnt got anything lined up it seems a bit churlish

Quoted from wigworld

I don't like it either, but unfortunately it's business. Same thing would happen with any other job.

Exactly. We finally start been ruthless with our cost cutting and the same people who were moaning about our massive debts / reliance on Fenty's loans start moaning.

Quoted from psgmariner

Exactly. We finally start been ruthless with our cost cutting and the same people who were moaning about our massive debts / reliance on Fenty's loans start moaning.

When you start being ruthless with the credabilty of the club it will cost more than the few quid strangled out of six weeks pay. Going back on your word is something I never do and wouldn't do business with someone who did. I don't want any of JF's cash and I would certainly never lump somone with my failings.

I do not profess to know every ex town player but those I do ...Macca..Whitts....Childs...Rowan...Rob Jones..Bolland Bennett Williams, none have a good word to say about their dealings with Mr Fenty. It seems he is somewhat calculating and maybe tells a few fibs.

Why pay him to work for another company. Fair do's in my opinion, didn't exactly put maximum effort in fir the last few games so I'd he wants a trial with no pay I suggest he thinks about those folk working for free at Mc Ds and other establishments!

Quoted from psgmariner

Exactly. We finally start been ruthless with our cost cutting and the same people who were moaning about our massive debts / reliance on Fenty's loans start moaning.

How is it cost-cutting? We're going to be paying him either way aren't we?

Quoted from Rodley Mariner

How is it cost-cutting? We're going to be paying him either way aren't we?

From original post:

"He had to ask Grimsby permission to do this because technically he is still their player. Grimsby said he could but he would have to forfit his remaining 6 weeks wages."

So hopefully Michael finds a new club straight away and they pay him to have a nice summer holiday rather than us.

They're not going to pay him to trial though are they? Realistically it's either he sits on his bottom with us paying him or he goes on trial to somebody else with us paying him.

If he is under contract then he should be paid to the end of that contract, if he was told that he would not be inlcuded in any further games then what was the problem him having a trial at another club, I doubt very much they would have paid him.

Seems very mean of the club but having seen what's gone on these past few seasons it comes as no surprise.

Quoted from psgmariner

Exactly. We finally start been ruthless with our cost cutting and the same people who were moaning about our massive debts / reliance on Fenty's loans start moaning.

That is the Fenty way, this is nothing new save hundreds and lose thousands.

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Sorry if already mentioned...

Coulson could be off to Scunthorpe!!

Just read on Twitter from BBC Humberside Sport that 'Alan Knill indicates possible interest in outgoing gtfc midfielder Michael Coulson'

Is he good enough for League 1 though??

Quoted from Fishfinger

Sorry if already mentioned...

Coulson could be off to Scunthorpe!!

Just read on Twitter from BBC Humberside Sport that 'Alan Knill indicates possible interest in outgoing gtfc midfielder Michael Coulson'

Is he good enough for League 1 though??

Yes.

Quoted from 1600

Maybe I'm missing the point here but is it so wrong to ask a player under contract to earn his money ?
Correct me if I'm wrong but what you're saying is he should be allowed to walk away but still be paid for doing nothing ?
Yes maybe we could have let him go as a thankyou whatever but it's not like we're Man City with money to burn.

Don't get me wrong I'm not on the pro-Fenty bandwagon and the 200/wk thing doesn't sit well with me at all, just trying to inject some rationality, fairness and common sense here.

He's been released. All the players are now on holiday. He ain't coming back here, he's been shown the door, there are no matches or club business left, so why act in this way? Pointless.

Well he might good enough for Alan Knilll's team because he has players like Jimmy Ryan and Bobby Grant both played for Accrington in the BSP and League 2 so maybe he's building a hard working team.

Quoted from Fishfinger

Sorry if already mentioned...

Coulson could be off to Scunthorpe!!

Just read on Twitter from BBC Humberside Sport that 'Alan Knill indicates possible interest in outgoing gtfc midfielder Michael Coulson'

Is he good enough for League 1 though??

No, extremely over-rated IMO!

if he goes there. i hope he scores 20 in a relegated team ;D

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

No, extremely over-rated IMO!

Yes his 8 goals and 17 assists (the top assister in the BSP apparently which means he had a direct hand in approximately one in three goals we scored this season), backs this up....

Quoted from Chris

Yes his 8 goals and 17 assists (the top assister in the BSP apparently which means he had a direct hand in approximately one in three goals we scored this season), backs this up....

I just think the stats are decdptive, IMO he is a worker, he is not particularly quick or skillful and isnt a natural winger! We can do better!

I think the fact that a lot of gtfc fans are undecided on him as a conference player, probably says he's not quite up to League 1 level.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I just think the stats are decdptive, IMO he is a worker, he is not particularly quick or skillful and isnt a natural winger! We can do better!

WHS

Quoted from fiveallive

Well he might good enough for Alan Knilll's team because he has players like Jimmy Ryan and Bobby Grant both played for Accrington in the BSP and League 2 so maybe he's building a hard working team.

Neither of those 2 played for Stanley in the Conference but I agree that Coulson's good enough.

Quoted from Mighty_Mariner

I just think the stats are decdptive, IMO he is a worker, he is not particularly quick or skillful and isnt a natural winger! We can do better!

WHS x 2. I think Coulson's been average all season. Not a patch on the previous season. If he wants off, let him go!

Quoted from Chris

He's been released. All the players are now on holiday. He ain't coming back here, he's been shown the door, there are no matches or club business left, so why act in this way? Pointless.

Well I guess you're right and to be fair marinerz won me over to his point of view.

I don't think it was necessarily pointless cos he might have said yes. (it's all hypothetical of course)
All I was really saying was, there's always a business angle to dealing with money and contracts.
I guess (if true) it was no more than a bit of opportunism in the hope Coulo might say "Oh sodomist it then ok..."

Though whether it's a good idea or not is a different matter and think marinerz makes a fair point.
One thing I did wonder though marinerz is where your evidence of other players receiving preferential treatment (for lack of a better word) in being paid off without needing permission for trials etc came from ?
Are you sure Coulo wasn't just in a brand new situation ? (hypothetically)

Quoted from headingly_mariner

That is the Fenty way, this is nothing new save hundreds and lose thousands.

This is what I just don't get about Fenty.
I can understand him not wanting to dip his hand in his pocket but almost every decision (except sacking Woods IMO) seems to be poorly timed or misjudged and it just seems to cost HIM more and more.

Suppose I get the impression he's trying to run a football team like a standard business.
Yes it's technically a business but don't see how you can plan financially when football fortune and decisions are such a huge factor.

tbh I wonder what our strategy is when we always seem to have the same budget every season.
Surely if we had a strategy or long term plan we'd see some big swings up and down in the playing budget ?
i.e. save big and the managers rebuild year 1, go for it year 2 and spend what we've saved ?

Yes I know STs are a factor but not sure chasing promotion EVERY single season has done us much ultimate good either.
Fans get impatient and won't like waiting a year ? They're hardly pleased as punch now !...

Now we're cutting in year 2 ?!
Makes no sense to me - if you back S&H and give them the best chance then at least you'll know !
If goes wrong you can start over and no-one's got any complaints (well they can't say you haven't tried !)

But as a club we just seem to be in a dual state of promotion chasing whilst continually rebuilding... :B

Yes we can hold back and wait to spend money if things are going well, but if lack of money IS a big factor then it becomes a self defeating/fulfilling prophecy.

So I say back S&H NOW.
Then at least we can say we gave it a right good go.
If it doesn't work out then cards on the table, slash, rebuild and back youth/young players with the promise of huge investment later.
People will probably back it and unite if they see a well thought out plan ! (perhaps mention this before you spend big ?)

But I fear we're fannying about trying to be best at everything every year and ultimately achieving nothing. :-/
If a "competitive" budget leaves us just short again this season, then the fine margin to success will be of little comfort for me.

It's a bit like the team - I don't mind people failing badly just so long as they try their best...(not saying Fenty hasn't tried his best but you know what I mean...)