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Quoted from chaos33

Always a risk when you’re that reliant on 1 player

That is some overstatement there.

Why are they reliant on one player?

Maybe it is an overstatement. Probably debatable. Chesterfield have scored 51 league goals and he’s got 25 of them.

None of the top sides in this division have more than 2 or 3 players on 5 or more goals this season so I don’t see why Chesterfield are singled out as being overly reliant on one scorer.

And I doubt there are any others in the division who have one player who’s scored 50% (nigh on) of their total goals and nobody anywhere near 25 goals - hence my point.

He’s scored 9 more than second place. That’s why he cost what he did. After that Chesterfield have as many if not more scorers close to Tshimanga than most top sides if not all.

Cheek has scored 15 goals this season. None of their other players have even scored 5. If you are looking for a narrative of someone leaning on one goalscorer then there you go. The Thsimanga stuff is just wrong though, facts are facts.

Quoted from quebec38

He’s scored 9 more than second place. That’s why he cost what he did. After that Chesterfield have as many if not more scorers close to Tshimanga than most top sides if not all.

Cheek has scored 15 goals this season. None of their other players have even scored 5. If you are looking for a narrative of someone leaning on one goalscorer then there you go. The Thsimanga stuff is just wrong though, facts are facts.

You’ve lost me here mate. It’s a fact that he’s scored 50% of Chesterfield’s goals. Nobody else in the division has a stat anywhere near that. Not sure where Cheek comes into it? Sure he’s second top scorer in the Division on 15 goals for Bromley, but that’s just 37% of their total goals. In the list of the top 30 goalscorers in the national league this season, Chesterfield don’t have a single other player. Obviously Cheek is Bromley’s only representative, so I dare say you’d be right in thinking they’d suffer if they lost him. Are you trying to suggest Bromley are over-reliant on him?

After Tshimanga, Chesterfield’s next top scorer has 5 goals. Obviously we’ll see how they get on now. They’ll probably just go and buy another striker, but your ‘facts are facts’ point looks obtuse to me. I actually think, in terms of your argument, the reverse obtains, but then I would say that wouldn’t I.

Why does every thread end up in an argument/disagreement?

Seems some like jumping on anything to start one.

I think it’s fair to say Tshimanga will be a loss, any side would miss someone with a record like his (wish him well on recovery) - and I’ll set myself up now for someone to come and have a dig - not sure Chesterfield will go up anyway. They’ve ground results out rather than be impressive (a good quality to have) but think they’re struggling a bit more recently and I’d suggest Stockport win league and ‘a spoiler’ wins play offs.

I don’t think it’s an argument as such mate, and it’s not abusive or anything is it. Quebec thinks I made an overstatement….I’m not sure I did but am open to discussion about it. I’m a bit confused about the ‘facts are facts’ point as I think ‘facts’ have been conflated with stats - and as we all know, you can use stats and context to ‘prove’ anything. In this case, I think my argument, based on the stats is stronger but I’m not gonna lose it because it is challenged. That’s what the forum is for isn’t it. I think the salient points are : Tshimanga has scored 50% of Chesterfields goals and that is decisively incomparable. I think that has meant that their league position is due to that performance, substantially. Maybe ‘over reliant’ is a stretch, but I think there’d be broad agreement on this and the view that he’s unique in this division and a huge loss.

No problems from either me or chaos, marinerjase? Just two people debating something, no nastiness.

I see a lot that Chesterfield get called a one man team but I don’t think it’s true.

Of course Tshimanga has a higher percentage of goals in comparison to his team mates, he’s scored nearly 40% more than the second top scorer in the league. My point is though that they have as many players high up in the scoring charts close to Tshimanga as other teams so why are they deemed more reliant on him than any other side is their top scorer?

I don’t agree with what Chesterfield did last season and I think it’s stupid that they spent 250k on one player in division 5, but I think this criticism is unfair.