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Poojah
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You also forgot to mention that any new manager will have to be vetted and deemed suitably aligned to the values of the owners.


Indeed, and it’s for that reason I didn’t mention Steve Evans, who ticks the boxes in terms of non-league pedigree and employment status, but is also an absolute shítehouse.

Not withstanding the fact that it rarely ends well when Town’s pantomime villains end up representing the club (see messrs Beagrie and Brodie), I don’t think the owners would want him near the club. I’m not sure the fans would easier, but I’m sure that’s a debate that will be had should there be a managerial vacancy at GTFC in the near future.


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Many of you on here are saying 'Hurst Out' well it should never have been 'Hurst In', the owners made a horrific mistake in giving him the job, they probably realise that now, in my business i have to research the hell out of a business before we invest millions, Hurst was easy to research, failures running back years, on his passed performance not only would we not have invested in him being a future success as the manager of Grimsby Town, we would have based on our research invested millions on him being a failure, in other words we would have shorted him being a failure, i wish we had been allowed to, we would have made a fortune.
Out of interest !  the highest position of the football club since he became manager was on the day he took charge of his first game, at the end of his first game & since, we have fallen to our lowest position since he took charge, it's been one way, down, down and down.
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He also had location on his side.

We have recently let two players go who let it be known they were not settled here and I imagine it also precludes us from quite a few signings in the first place.

The antidote to that is to throw money at them, but we would be paying a premium for players, whereas other managers around bigger cities can get the same standard of player cheaper, or better standard for the same amount as we would be paying, if that makes sense.

There are a lot of unfashionable teams in this league that most supporters think we should be beating because we have more fans and have been in the upper echelons at certain points in our history, but these clubs are in favourable catchment areas, with vastly more players to choose from.

Part time clubs can give a player a good living if they play football at weekends and work in the city. They care not one jot for our history and crowd numbers when they come to BP. In fact they want to beat us even more than they do other sides.

I think it takes more time to assemble a good squad here than it does in the catchment area of a big city, especially if you are trying to attract younger, up and coming players. Older players with families like Pearson are not so bothered about this and are looking for different things. It's good around here for families with the Wolds, the beaches, the cheaper house prices etc, and we have a good few of those type players now and in the past, like Disley.

It's the younger, more dynamic players that teams need, who are harder to attract. We got McAtee purely because of Hurst, who has taken him to three clubs, but other players of his ability are going to have more exciting options in places where there is more life for a younger player.

I think given a bit more time, PH will put together a squad that can compete in this league. In fact, I think he is very close to it now. I said it in an earlier thread that I haven't yet seen a team demonstrably better than we are yet this season and that hasn't changed. Nobody is outplaying us and we are creating enough chances to win games.

It wouldn't take much for the pendulum to swing the other way.


I couldn’t put it in such an erudite way but I agree with this. Like I’ve said before in the games we’ve lost from what I’ve seen our keepers haven’t been that busy.

At this level it feels like the socioeconomic considerations are bigger than what they where 5 years ago especially for the lads who are part time and don’t want to gamble on going full time on a 18 month/2 year deal.

23 games in and 21 to play still, 1 automatic spot one play off spot to get promoted and arguably 10 clubs who’d expect to be in the mix I’m not sure there are many leagues as hard to get out of as this one.

I suspect this season It will be 2 big spenders that go up but for those big spenders that fail their clock will be ticking as their funds will soon dry up to a level that makes things a bit more even.

Starting all over again is not an option for me I’m afraid. Let’s just get Fenty paid off then there might be a few extra quid for whoever the manager is at that time.


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Looks like Grant McCann will be available soon 😉😂
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Quoted from Vance Warner


Wow. Such a short memory and unbelievable lack of gratitude for people spending millions of their own money to improve not just the football club but the whole town. Sod it let’s just get Alex May in to steal money from grannies and splash it on overpriced journeymen in the hope that with a stroke of luck we get some good ones. Don’t develop anything for the future because it’s sh1t or bust and even if we get back in the league we’ll eventually drop out because the infrastructure is knackered.


First of all they haven't sunk millions into the football club. They bought Fenty's shares and a few others amounting to around £1m. These remain 1878's assets and do not result in any financial gain for the club's coffers. The football club will be paying the JF loan off out of generated income. Grateful as I am to improvements at Cheapside and minor cheap improvements elsewhere, it doesn't amount to much more than 200k or so of personal money I'd estimate, certainly not the millions you have quoted.

We all know that there's three main goals to get this football club back on its feet: a new stadium, new training facilities and getting back in the EFL and pushing on to possibly League One. New training facilities are seemingly on their way in the near future so that's great news but with JS's statement on a new stadium we seem to be as far away as ever and there's no discernable difference in strategy on the playing side compared to the Fenty years, and getting the same results may I add. And so for me, I'll also have to put to bed seeing GTFC in a new stadium in my lifetime and I'm only in my fifties..

To ensure getting out of this division, generally you'll need an additional fighting fund on top of the playing budget. I think the owners have underestimated this. Getting that extra funding from a new investor is as crucial as getting funding from investors for infrastructure. And it's not an either or. We should be looking to boost playing budget through share acquisition as well as improving infrastructure. This needs to happen sooner rather than later as the longer it goes on the further we'll fall behind the EFL funded clubs season after season like we did before when we were non-league. Don't know about you, but I'm really tired of us being shite on the pitch and I'm really tired of us being one of the biggest clubs left that hasn't got a new stadium.

I thought JS and AP would be more wired into fan sentiment than they are and more geared up to hit the ground running, or maybe the money is just not there, but GTFC cannot be a touchy feely long term project for a great many of us, and we've heard it all before..
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Looks like Grant McCann will be available soon 😉😂


Right about now it seems. Has tenuous Town links too, having played 45 minutes in Town colours while on trial at BP in 2002 (we signed Darren Barnard instead).


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Quoted from chelseacity
Many of you on here are saying 'Hurst Out' well it should never have been 'Hurst In', the owners made a horrific mistake in giving him the job, they probably realise that now, in my business i have to research the hell out of a business before we invest millions, Hurst was easy to research, failures running back years, on his passed performance not only would we not have invested in him being a future success as the manager of Grimsby Town, we would have based on our research invested millions on him being a failure, in other words we would have shorted him being a failure, i wish we had been allowed to, we would have made a fortune.
Out of interest !  the highest position of the football club since he became manager was on the day he took charge of his first game, at the end of his first game & since, we have fallen to our lowest position since he took charge, it's been one way, down, down and down.


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First of all they haven't sunk millions into the football club. They bought Fenty's shares and a few others amounting to around £1m. These remain 1878's assets and do not result in any financial gain for the club's coffers. The football club will be paying the JF loan off out of generated income. Grateful as I am to improvements at Cheapside and minor cheap improvements elsewhere, it doesn't amount to much more than 200k or so of personal money I'd estimate, certainly not the millions you have quoted.

We all know that there's three main goals to get this football club back on its feet: a new stadium, new training facilities and getting back in the EFL and pushing on to possibly League One. New training facilities are seemingly on their way in the near future so that's great news but with JS's statement on a new stadium we seem to be as far away as ever and there's no disecernable difference in strategy on the playing side compared to the Fenty years, and getting the same results may I add. And so for me, I'll also have to put to bed seeing GTFC in a new stadium in my lifetime and I'm only in my fifties..

To ensure getting out of this division, generally you'll need an additional fighting fund on top of the playing budget. I think the owners have underestimated this. Getting that extra funding from a new investor is as crucial as getting funding from investors for infrastructure. And it's not an either or. We should be looking to boost playing budget through share acquisition as well as improving infrastructure. This needs to happen sooner rather than later as the longer it goes on the further we'll fall behind the EFL funded clubs season after season like we did before when we were non-league. Don't know about you, but I'm really tired of us being shite on the pitch and I'm really tired of us being one of the biggest clubs left that haven't got a new stadium.

I thought JS and AP would be more wired into fan sentiment than they are and more geared up to hit the ground running, or maybe the money is just not there, but GTFC cannot be a long term project for a great many of us, and we've heard it all before..


Other than just a stone to throw I’m not sure dragging up the stadium debate is relevant to our current poor form.


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First of all they haven't sunk millions into the football club. They bought Fenty's shares and a few others amounting to around £1m. These remain 1878's assets and do not result in any financial gain for the club's coffers. The football club will be paying the JF loan off out of generated income. Grateful as I am to improvements at Cheapside and minor cheap improvements elsewhere, it doesn't amount to much more than 200k or so of personal money I'd estimate, certainly not the millions you have quoted.

We all know that there's three main goals to get this football club back on its feet: a new stadium, new training facilities and getting back in the EFL and pushing on to possibly League One. New training facilities are seemingly on their way in the near future so that's great news but with JS's statement on a new stadium we seem to be as far away as ever and there's no disecernable difference in strategy on the playing side compared to the Fenty years, and getting the same results may I add. And so for me, I'll also have to put to bed seeing GTFC in a new stadium in my lifetime and I'm only in my fifties..

To ensure getting out of this division, generally you'll need an additional fighting fund on top of the playing budget. I think the owners have underestimated this. Getting that extra funding from a new investor is as crucial as getting funding from investors for infrastructure. And it's not an either or. We should be looking to boost playing budget through share acquisition as well as improving infrastructure. This needs to happen sooner rather than later as the longer it goes on the further we'll fall behind the EFL funded clubs season after season like we did before when we were non-league. Don't know about you, but I'm really tired of us being shite on the pitch and I'm really tired of us being one of the biggest clubs left that haven't got a new stadium.

I thought JS and AP would be more wired into fan sentiment than they are and more geared up to hit the ground running, or maybe the money is just not there, but GTFC cannot be a long term project for a great many of us, and we've heard it all before..


See the accounts are still not available. If Fenty is to be believed, he left the club with £800k in the bank and no other debt than to himself. So have they actually put any money in the club. ??? Why are they holding the accounts back. ???

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Other than just a stone to throw I’m not sure dragging up the stadium debate is relevant to our current poor form.


Isn’t it relevant to our future revenue streams?
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