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ginnywings
January 22, 2022, 8:31pm

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Do they? I can't think of many teams that slowly build and improve year on year to work their way up. Usually a new manager comes in and within 1 or 2 windows it clicks and they push on.


Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.
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He's been here 12 months. He didn't rebuild a team last January, he tried to get players in who were better than the awfulness brought in by IH.

In the summer he brought in players he felt were capable of getting us promoted. We started strong, the support was there. We've then hit awful form and questions are being asked both of managers and players....which means he has to ask his own internal questions and try to improve on what we have to change our fortunes.

If a team is 'built' inside 12 months with a relegation in the middle of that then I must be missing something glaringly obvious.


Out of interest, how many of the current squad do you think would be a regular in a promotion winning team and how many would be squad players?

If we were genuinely building something I would expect us to have 4 or 5 good players likely to be regulars in a promotion winning team & another 5 or 6 decent players likely to be squad players. I don’t think we have anything near that in either category.
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To name one is a tough question, do we go tried and tested or try an up and coming manager with a good record?...
I'll put a name out there but know I'll git shot down...Curtis Woodhouse, did wonders with Gainsborough and apparently had them playing attractive, attacking football....it's just a name to get the ball rolling..

Wow Curtis Woodhouse 😂 biggest shithouse going spineless little muppet! I'd rather have IH back!
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Ginny, it comes down to who you appoint mid season doesnt it? I would argue that of the GTFC ones you list
Bignot and Jolley were risky appointments due to their lack of league experience, Slade, as most of us knew, was  'yesterdays man' and Holloway was a bit of a celebrity  appointment we all got over excited by (although to be fair to him there were signs of improvement until Covid intervened, after which he and Fenty completely lost the plot).
You have to believe there are managers out there  that can make a difference, otherwise we are stuck with Hurst Ad infinitum arent we?
I know its  at a completely different level but look at Spurs, in danger of being dragged into a relegation battle until Conte came in  and changed the mentality of the club, they are now looking at a possible CL spot.
We are a big club at this level, we have to believe  someone can change our  fortunes or  we may as well give up.
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Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.


Not a very good list when all 3 of those clubs have appointed a new manager in the last 14 months after sacking someone. And Stockport’s manager came in this season.

How is that steady building? They are all examples of a new manager bringing instant improvement after replacing a perceived failure.
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A phrase that has cropped up countless times over the last decade, only it never got any better did it?

Bignot
Slade
Jolley
Holloway


All managers that came in and started again, again. And how many failed before PH came in last time?

I don't know what the answer is and if the board decide time is up for PH, then fair enough, but let's not pretend it's just a matter of bringing in a new manager and after half a season to assess, we will suddenly be in a position to storm the league.

Most teams achieve stuff by steadily building over time. There are exceptions but they are in the minority. The last manager to arrest the slide and get us moving upward was the manager we have in post, but we didn't back him and he buggered off.

I'm neither pro nor anti PH at the moment, but history has taught us that changing manager doesn't work as well as some imagine it will.


I don't think it's a fair argument to use these examples. They were chosen by an inept board and it's absolutely no coincidence that after leaving us between them they have managed a further 7 games in professional football (Slade and Bignot did get jobs in semi-pro leagues but that proves my point more than anything).

I agree that building a team over time is the answer but what exactly is Hurst building? Two of this window's signings are loanees. The other two are on short term contracts and you can guarantee if they do really well for us they'll be looking to get back in to the FL at the first opportunity which is fair enough. The spine of our team has a central defence who are both 32 and 33 this season, a central midfielder who is 35 and showing it and a centre forward who is doing well but is nearly 34. Plus two goalkeepers both of whom could be improved on. Hardly a solid basis to be building from is it? And that's before you actually look at the manager himself who has a record of failure ever since he left Shrewsbury and doesn't appear to have learned from any of the mistakes he used to make in his first stint here.

Building is great. But it has to be the right man and I don't think that is Hurst. Any time afforded to him from here on in is wasted essentially.


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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He's been here 12 months. He didn't rebuild a team last January, he tried to get players in who were better than the awfulness brought in by IH.

In the summer he brought in players he felt were capable of getting us promoted. We started strong, the support was there. We've then hit awful form and questions are being asked both of managers and players....which means he has to ask his own internal questions and try to improve on what we have to change our fortunes.

If a team is 'built' inside 12 months with a relegation in the middle of that then I must be missing something glaringly obvious.



But he didn't get any better, in terms of points per game he was worse than that useless twit Holloway, and that is a sad indictment of what Hurst actually achieved.
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What's the point in sacking him now? Might as well wait until the end of the season so we can spend all summer thinking whoever gets the job is going to achieve the impossible. Sack him now and our dreams will all be dashed before it's time to stump up for season tickets.

Timing is everything.....


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Quoted from ginnywings


Todays opponents have got better season on season. Chesterfield struggled massively when first in non league and have improved season on season. Stockport have steadily got better as well over the last 3 years and are now up to third and looking good.

There's three off the top of my head.


Stockport aren't a good example of keeping with a manager though are they? They're spending a small fortune and literally sacked their manager in October after a start that wasn't as bad as the run Hurst is on now. They're the very opposite of your argument!


Looking forward to a brighter future now Fenty has gone.
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Couldn't agree with you more. When the new owners' first task is to provide training balls which are *actually round* you can appreciate what a massive task they have to turn this club around.


You sure that wasn’t just another Hurst excuse together with the training pitches are hard etc. Well sir if you talk to the ground staff as the manager, I’m sure they would put the sprinklers on. It’s called management. But then he needed all the props didn’t he as he could see he had brought in some crap players 13!!! last season which made us worse. Yes worse.  
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