Saturday

Quoted from arryarryarry

If PH was that good a manager he should have done a better job of trying to keep us up last season, as for Neil Woods after his disastrous time as temp manager he should have had the decency to turn the job down, there have been plenty of assistant managers at other clubs who have stepped into the top job when a manager has been sacked but didn't want the main job. Even if he wanted to be the manager he should have walked away well before the end of the season.    

Thats bollo(ks and you know it he aint got a magic wand, had very little time to get people in yet you still expected to stay up.  Not once did i think PH was to blame, if he got us out it would have been amazing but if it meant JF or new owners in non league i took the latter.  and lot of others said this as well yet know JS AP are being questioned, its ridiculous.

Quoted from Meza

Thats bollo(ks and you know it he aint got a magic wand, had very little time to get people in yet you still expected to stay up.  Not once did i think PH was to blame, if he got us out it would have been amazing but if it meant JF or new owners in non league i took the latter.  and lot of others said this as well yet know JS AP are being questioned, its ridiculous.

Erm...............he had most of Holloway's squad plus was it 12 of his own players some he chose because they were his mates and he still ended up with a worse points per game total than Holloway.

Quoted from Meza

Thats bollo(ks and you know it he aint got a magic wand, had very little time to get people in yet you still expected to stay up.  Not once did i think PH was to blame, if he got us out it would have been amazing but if it meant JF or new owners in non league i took the latter.  and lot of others said this as well yet know JS AP are being questioned, its ridiculous.

I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make.

I’m sure that, under any previous regime, most if not all fans including Jason and Andrew, would be pretty drunk off if we’d only won one in eleven. It’s not good, but they know that, they’ve decided to back PH and I hope it’s the right call.

I think fans have unrealistic expectations of our standing right now. We are non league and are competing against sides as big or bigger than we are. Certainly sides that have had more time to stabilise and build squads: some of whom have much bigger budgets and some who have access to more players than we do because of their geography.

When Chesterfield went down 4 years ago, they finished 14th in their first season and 20th in their second season. It wasn't until last season that they made the play offs by 1 point. Notts County are huge at this level but are still down here, while sides like Sutton, Harrogate and Barrow are plying their trade in the EFL.

Between 2015 and 2018, Chesterfield had 10 managers and none could stop the slide from League 1 to non league and I bet some of those managers would be applying for the Town job should it become available. Since they entered non league they have had 5 more managers, with the current incumbent being in post for 18 months, by far the longest stint since their problems started. Guess you can tell what my point is.

It's going to be a slog to get out of this league and isn't going to happen overnight. We may still make the play offs and with a bit of luck and a fair wind, could even prevail, but the likelihood is that we will still be in this league at the start of next season.

I know it's not a popular opinion and please feel free to pick it to pieces, but for me, what we need right now is stability and building a squad to compete at the right end of the league. I think Hurst is capable of that and has shown it in the past, so I would be inclined to stick with what we have and ride out this terrible run we are on.

Quoted from arryarryarry

Erm...............he had most of Holloway's squad plus was it 12 of his own players some he chose because they were his mates and he still ended up with a worse points per game total than Holloway.

Arry, just take a second and reflect what you have just posted.

I seem to remember alot on this forum understood why PH went for certain mates as you say, you know why Arry cos they give a excrement and at a time where PH needed soldiers not boys, ya know people that know you and trust you, unfortunately it wasn't enough. But feel free to twist this to match your agenda like you do everytime.

For this club to be successful things need to be the exact opposite to the last decade under Fenty.

What that means is a long term view with a growth plan from the Board and as JS has said having faith in the manager to get on with his job and build something thats sustainable. All of the above takes time.

This club has potential for sure even if the current squad falls short but currently both are at the start of a forming-storming-norming-performing process which will in my view once again at this level take a few seasons to complete.

Saturday is arguably a must win in terms of getting us in a better place for a couple of bigger tests and pretty much in my mind a top 7 finish but this is not must win for the manager and in my view overall that’s something I can live with for the time being.

All that said I’d still like 3 points on Saturday and I’d really like us to beat Bromley (leary Southern tw@ts) nothing to do with bias to be honest but we now need to start beating teams above us unless this season will be over sooner than we’d all like .

Quoted from ginnywings

I think fans have unrealistic expectations of our standing right now. We are non league and are competing against sides as big or bigger than we are. Certainly sides that have had more time to stabilise and build squads: some of whom have much bigger budgets and some who have access to more players than we do because of their geography.

When Chesterfield went down 4 years ago, they finished 14th in their first season and 20th in their second season. It wasn't until last season that they made the play offs by 1 point. Notts County are huge at this level but are still down here, while sides like Sutton, Harrogate and Barrow are plying their trade in the EFL.

Between 2015 and 2018, Chesterfield had 10 managers and none could stop the slide from League 1 to non league and I bet some of those managers would be applying for the Town job should it become available. Since they entered non league they have had 5 more managers, with the current incumbent being in post for 18 months, by far the longest stint since their problems started. Guess you can tell what my point is.

It's going to be a slog to get out of this league and isn't going to happen overnight. We may still make the play offs and with a bit of luck and a fair wind, could even prevail, but the likelihood is that we will still be in this league at the start of next season.

I know it's not a popular opinion and please feel free to pick it to pieces, but for me, what we need right now is stability and building a squad to compete at the right end of the league. I think Hurst is capable of that and has shown it in the past, so I would be inclined to stick with what we have and ride out this terrible run we are on.

And what about the teams that didn’t take long to bounce back . Bristol Rovers, Cheltenham , Leyton Orient, Tranmere.

Honestly think it's more about lack of quality in skill rather than hard work by the players.
When we were riding high at the start of the season, we were relying on loan players now that they have gone, we are back to square one.
Failure to gamble to buy players at the start of the season is coming home to roost.
One of PH faults imo is that he believes he can make a silk purse out of a sows ear reference players

Quoted from Garth

Honestly think it's more about lack of quality in skill rather than hard work by the players.
When we were riding high at the start of the season, we were relying on loan players now that they have gone, we are back to square one.
Failure to gamble to buy players at the start of the season is coming home to roost.
One of PH faults imo is that he believes he can make a silk purse out of a sows ear reference players

Interesting then that one of Halifax’s fans commented earlier that he thought their manager would get more out of our players.

Quoted from Garth

Failure to gamble to buy players at the start of the season is coming home to roost.

You can argue that the other way as well though, Imagine if we'd signed Revan and Bapaga on 2 or 3 year deals, and realised 6 months in that they weren't up to it. We've had our fair share of that scenario happening in recent years. If we get some new ones in soon (which I'm sure we will) and they turn out having a more positive effect, then the loan system could work in our favour.